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| mriedem | let's do this | 14:01 |
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| sdague | o/ | 14:01 |
| lxsli | o/ | 14:01 |
| thomasem | o/ | 14:01 |
| andreykurilin | \o | 14:01 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: ? | 14:01 |
| markus_z | o/ | 14:01 |
| jaypipes | .................o../ | 14:01 |
| beagles | o/ | 14:01 |
| sahid | o/ | 14:01 |
| bauzas | ooooooooooooooo/ | 14:01 |
| artom | o~ | 14:01 |
| mriedem | meeting hasn't started people | 14:01 |
| dims | o\/ | 14:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | yes | 14:01 |
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| moshele | o/ | 14:01 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #startmeeting nova | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 25 14:01:46 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| beagles | o/ | 14:01 |
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| dansmith | o/ | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 14:01 |
| thangp | o/ | 14:01 |
| melwitt | o/ | 14:01 |
| edleafe | o/ | 14:01 |
| mriedem | o/ | 14:01 |
| llu-laptop | o/ | 14:01 |
| neiljerram | o/ | 14:01 |
| rgerganov | o/ | 14:02 |
| markus_z | o/ | 14:02 |
| bauzas | \.............o............/ | 14:02 |
| artom | o~ | 14:02 |
| alaski | o/ | 14:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 14:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Release Status | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Release Status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:02 | |
| claudiub|2 | o/ | 14:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | so liberty-1 is tagged and out there | 14:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | today is spec freeze day | 14:02 |
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| johnthetubaguy | ... that means | 14:02 |
| lpetrut1 | o/ | 14:02 |
| scheuran | o/ | 14:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Liberty_Release_Schedule | 14:03 |
| atuvenie_ | o/ | 14:03 |
| bauzas | no longer pings about spec reviews ? | 14:03 |
| bauzas | yay! | 14:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | so the plan for liberty we agreed was... | 14:03 |
| garyk | johnthetubaguy: will there be a spec freeze exception window? | 14:03 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #info at the summit we agreed backlog nova-specs allowed at all times during liberty | 14:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | garyk: its should be documented in the above wiki page | 14:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | as send out to the ML a few times | 14:04 |
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| johnthetubaguy | but the wiki page is not that clear, sadly | 14:04 |
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| mnestratov|2 | o/ | 14:05 |
| sudipto | o/ | 14:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | so the basic idea is this, raise any exceptions in the meeting next wekk | 14:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | instead of the specless blueprints, we talk exceptions | 14:05 |
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| mriedem | meeting or ML? or ML before meeting? | 14:05 |
| mriedem | otherwise the meeting will be nothing but arguing over spec exceptions | 14:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: ideally in the meeting agenda, before the meeting | 14:05 |
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| johnthetubaguy | now, the theory is, folks will have already voted on the specs one way or the other | 14:06 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so it would just be a final agreement one way or the other | 14:06 |
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| johnthetubaguy | baring in mind, you can just move your spec to a backlog spec and get it merged that way, although the idea is that you are agreeing things for a future release in there | 14:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | now priority specs | 14:07 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I am thinking we given them at least a week or two, nova-drivers feel free to keep merging those ones at will | 14:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | ... so lets step back a bit | 14:07 |
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| ndipanov | ah-hah | 14:07 |
| ndipanov | so priority stuff still can land | 14:08 |
| ndipanov | ok | 14:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | ndipanov: yep | 14:08 |
| ndipanov | plug: | 14:08 |
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| ndipanov | bah copy paste fail | 14:08 |
| ndipanov | nvm I'll chase ppl | 14:08 |
| bauzas | assuming corresponding subteams would appreciate if a proposer could step up during their weekly meetings and discuss on the claim for a priority | 14:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | so why have a freeze at all? the original idea is to move from the big spec reviews to doing coding and code reviews, to stop the distraction | 14:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | now the idea of opening up the backlog specs is to try and soften that | 14:09 |
| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: that hasn't worked. | 14:09 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I also hope we move away from approving specs per release, to something thats slightly less brutal | 14:09 |
| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: why don't we just do that. | 14:10 |
| melwitt | +1 | 14:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | jaypipes: we haven't tried backlog specs yet though, right? | 14:10 |
| garyk | +1 | 14:10 |
| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: it's just process for the sake of process, though. | 14:10 |
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| mriedem | we don't really have a 6 month release cycle anymore right? | 14:10 |
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| mriedem | now that every project has it's own versions | 14:10 |
| edleafe | so putting a spec in backlog means agreeing that it won't be released until April 2016, right? | 14:10 |
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| mriedem | we just release when we want | 14:10 |
| mriedem | using semver | 14:10 |
| mnestratov | jaypipes: +1 | 14:10 |
| ndipanov | mriedem, really? | 14:10 |
| mriedem | ndipanov: yes | 14:10 |
| ndipanov | I mean in theory | 14:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: apart from we accidentally agreed to align with everyone this time | 14:10 |
| ndipanov | but not Nova | 14:10 |
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| dansmith | so, I really don't think it's process for the sake of it | 14:10 |
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| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: oh | 14:11 |
| edleafe | mriedem: are the translation teams on board with that? | 14:11 |
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| dansmith | because when people get a spec merged, | 14:11 |
| ndipanov | dansmith, we know you don't and it;s ok | 14:11 |
| mriedem | edleafe: ask ttx? | 14:11 |
| jaypipes | dansmith: the backlog stuff, not specs in general. | 14:11 |
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| dansmith | ndipanov: cool, then I won't finish my thought, thanks a lot! | 14:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | now we do need a review of a spec, here and there | 14:11 |
| mriedem | edleafe: i think you get whatever trnaslations are done when you cut the release | 14:11 |
| ndipanov | please do | 14:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | as things change | 14:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | which is why we do the per release thing | 14:11 |
| jaypipes | dansmith: in other words, for *this* type of spec, put it here, and for *this* type of spec, put it in this directory, etc... | 14:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | so we still need some way to revisit things | 14:11 |
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| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: it's very Gorgon. | 14:11 |
| * mriedem googles gorgon | 14:12 | |
| edleafe | mriedem: hmmm... well, ttx was pretty strongly against that out-of-sync translation model last time I discussed it with him | 14:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | so its the reason why, its not why we have to keep doing it that way, we can change for sure | 14:12 |
| mriedem | edleafe: then we should have lock step releases on planned schedules i guess.... | 14:12 |
| mriedem | someone should make up their mind | 14:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: so our official plan on releases, I think, is see how ironic goes, and consider changing things next time | 14:13 |
| edleafe | mriedem: heh, I tried to make that argument before | 14:13 |
| jaypipes | sorry, I meant "Vogon"... | 14:13 |
| beagles | ahhhhh | 14:13 |
| edleafe | mriedem: got told it wasn't possible because "translations" | 14:13 |
| bauzas | good bye and thanks for the fish | 14:13 |
| jaypipes | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vogon | 14:13 |
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| garyk | mriedem: for the me the release process is unclear. say 30 out of 60 patche shave landed - do we release a version? | 14:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | jaypipes: ahhh, now I get you | 14:13 |
| mriedem | garyk: yeah idk how that works either | 14:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | jaypipes: agreed, I was more meaning thats why we have it, for when we change things | 14:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | now... we could keep this debate going, but I think we should move this to the end of the meeting | 14:14 |
| ndipanov | right | 14:14 |
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| mriedem | garyk: i assume things would have to be completed in a milestone and we'd release on milestones with whatever is done | 14:14 |
| garyk | ok | 14:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | the idea right now is, keep the backlog directory open | 14:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | we define what goes in there here: | 14:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/nova-specs/specs/backlog/index.html | 14:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | basically, any part of the spec is allowed to be skipped | 14:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | appart from the problem spec | 14:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | Now the BIG TODO is how do you get your spec out of the backlog, and where does it go | 14:15 |
| mriedem | purgatory :) | 14:15 |
| ndipanov | johnthetubaguy, well currently (and imho) wrongly ppl use specs as kind of a guarantee thet they can go and code it up | 14:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am punting on that for now, and running liberty on the old system | 14:15 |
| ndipanov | this gives them no such guarantees so I fear very few people will do it | 14:16 |
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| johnthetubaguy | ndipanov: this goes back to us needing to take a step back and properly document why we do what we do, and what it really means | 14:16 |
| ndipanov | without the "how to get out" bit | 14:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | my point really, is we need a plan to get out of the backlog | 14:16 |
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| johnthetubaguy | but I don't see us getting agreement on that before the midcycle | 14:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | we can talk about proposals there, and follow up on the ML, etc | 14:17 |
| ndipanov | also I fear it could turn into a graveyard of "I had an idea in the shower last night" specs | 14:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | ndipanov: right, we need to define why you would want to bother with a spec backlog | 14:17 |
| edleafe | ndipanov: so now we need a proper burial process? :) | 14:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, do get in touch directly if you have idea and concerns | 14:18 |
| ndipanov | 2x +2s by nova-wake-cores | 14:18 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I am trying to collect these and draw together a proposal for the midcylce | 14:18 |
| mriedem | jogo always had the runways concept | 14:18 |
| mriedem | but moving on | 14:18 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: yeah, I liked that a lot, I think sdague had a lot to do with that as well | 14:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, lets move on from this | 14:19 |
| ndipanov | it's needless paperwork with several more bottlenecks but otherwise cool | 14:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | it sucks, but we have ideas to move forward from here | 14:19 |
| ndipanov | aka not cool at all | 14:19 |
| ndipanov | but let's move on | 14:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | ndipanov: we have plans to remove them, and we have less that the last release, at least from where I am sat | 14:20 |
| ndipanov | I was talking about runways | 14:20 |
| ndipanov | :) | 14:20 |
| ndipanov | now I mean | 14:20 |
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| mriedem | moving on | 14:20 |
| ndipanov | yes please | 14:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | so turns out we are really bad at commuicating and getting buy in for process ideas | 14:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am attempting to fix that | 14:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | please help with that | 14:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | so the next topic... | 14:21 |
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| markus_z | any reference for that runways concept? | 14:21 |
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| ndipanov | markus_z, try to search openstack-dev archive | 14:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | markus_z: no but, lets move on for now | 14:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-nova-liberty-summit-action-items | 14:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | so lots of us agreed to do things at the summit | 14:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | some of that is happening | 14:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | some of that is getting updated above | 14:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | given the deadline is making no difference, I am moving it to the midcycle where we can review the list | 14:22 |
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| bauzas | markus_z: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/112733/ | 14:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK so next thing... | 14:22 |
| markus_z | bauzas: thanks | 14:23 |
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| johnthetubaguy | markus_z: so thats not the full story there, but we should get something written up about that, but I am trying to move on from that, so I am going to stop talking about that now, honest | 14:23 |
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| mriedem | bauzas: markus_z: actually https://review.openstack.org/#/c/115410/ | 14:23 |
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| bauzas | markus_z: my bad https://review.openstack.org/#/c/115410/ | 14:24 |
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| bauzas | jinxed by mriedem | 14:24 |
| ndipanov | but do check out the ML thread too | 14:24 |
| mriedem | i am owed one coke | 14:24 |
| mriedem | le coke | 14:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: indeed you are | 14:24 |
| bauzas | mriedem: le coca cola, please | 14:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I am going to change the agdenda from the plan | 14:24 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Bugs | 14:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:24 | |
| johnthetubaguy | so how are we looking with bugs? | 14:24 |
| bauzas | nothing really bad | 14:25 |
| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194843/ | 14:25 |
| mriedem | needs reviews for a long standing gate bug ^ | 14:25 |
| mriedem | had a +2 from sdague yesterday morning before i added more tests and a co-author ack | 14:25 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, nice to keep moving forward on that | 14:25 |
| bauzas | we are just struggling providing more trivial bugs, I guess due to the specs reviewing effort | 14:26 |
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| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: providing? you mean the list has run dry? | 14:26 |
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| bauzas | so hopefully it should resume by the next weeks | 14:26 |
| mriedem | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?orderby=-importance&start=0 | 14:26 |
| mriedem | i don't see any critical bugs | 14:26 |
| mriedem | several high severity | 14:26 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: yup, we only identified a few of them | 14:26 |
| mriedem | so fix bugs | 14:26 |
| mriedem | thanks | 14:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | yes | 14:26 |
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| ndipanov | I'd plug my series - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/180637/ | 14:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | the next few topics are all specs | 14:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic stuck spec reviews | 14:27 |
| sdague | mriedem: I'll go look at the patch again | 14:27 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "stuck spec reviews (Meeting topic: nova)" | 14:27 | |
| bauzas | mriedem: right, none in the client too | 14:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/192675/6/specs/liberty/approved/vmware-limits.rst,cm | 14:27 |
| ndipanov | mriedem, please check it out - it may fix a bunch of problems with volumes | 14:27 |
| ndipanov | and it's been sitting there | 14:27 |
| scheuran | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182280/ - my spec is stuck - as there's no clear strategy on how to get a new vif_type in due to the ongoing os-vif-library discussions | 14:28 |
| ndipanov | johnthetubaguy, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/193576/ <- has buy in from jaypipes and dansmith and is kind of a priority | 14:28 |
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| scheuran | can anyone make a statement on how to proceed? | 14:28 |
| bauzas | didn't we agreed to rename 'stuck' into 'controversial' or whatever else less subject to confusion ? | 14:28 |
| mriedem | scheuran: i +1ed your spec on the assumption that os-vif won't make liberty | 14:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | so the issue is, vmware can't just straight copy the libvirt established settings | 14:28 |
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| jdurgin | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188244/ <- approach seems agreed upon, just needs final reviews | 14:28 |
| garyk | correct - the VC has different interfaces for that | 14:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | ndipanov: agreed its good, but this is stuck specs | 14:29 |
| garyk | the question is how can we support different mechanism for different drivers to explse things | 14:29 |
| ndipanov | not stuck so sorry | 14:29 |
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| mriedem | jdurgin: get jbernard to review your rbd snapshots spec, i think jbernard is the tagged rbd triage guy | 14:29 |
| garyk | i think that we have digressed - can we get back to the limits if possible? | 14:29 |
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| jaypipes | jdurgin: gah, sorry, I still owe you a review on that :( | 14:30 |
| sahid | have spec about console here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/165838/ - stuck with a debate about why we should or not continue to support memecached | 14:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | garyk: +1 | 14:30 |
| garyk | johnthetubaguy: it kind of seems like it is not of interst to anyone - so how can we proceed? | 14:30 |
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| sahid | s/memecached/memcached | 14:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | so there are two ways forwards with limits | 14:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | sahid: please hold while we deal with the ones on the agenda | 14:30 |
| sahid | oops | 14:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | we just merge the hypervisor specific stuff | 14:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | or | 14:31 |
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| johnthetubaguy | we come up with an interface that works across all hypervisors | 14:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | now that later bit is hard, as we know | 14:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | my problem is really with what the end user has to know about | 14:31 |
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| johnthetubaguy | it all boils down to the write up I am trying to do on flavor extra specs, image props, etc, etc | 14:31 |
| garyk | my take is that the admin knows which backend divers she/he has running and they provision accordingly | 14:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | we are in a mess and need to dig oursleves out of a whole there | 14:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | so the admin side is different | 14:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | there are times where we *might* not be able to isolate those folks from differences | 14:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | and well, thats the sad reality | 14:32 |
| garyk | and we keep on digging - here is an example of one that was approved for libvirt which is on similar lines and the other drivers may have different ways of exposing - https://github.com/openstack/nova-specs/commit/3b32baa07a50536b31362e683d82c66bbe8aca88? | 14:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | but the problem is when users get to see the differences | 14:32 |
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| garyk | yes, i understand that. bt an admin could maybe filter them for displaying to the users according to the volume type seletced | 14:33 |
| ndipanov | johnthetubaguy, the force detach is pretty stuck | 14:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK so what do we do? | 14:33 |
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| ndipanov | once you're done with this one | 14:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | block this or not? | 14:33 |
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| garyk | i am in favor of not (but i have already thrown my toys out of the cradle today at least once) | 14:34 |
| jaypipes | ndipanov: I am super -1 on the force detach thing. | 14:34 |
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| johnthetubaguy | garyk: so given no one is siding, I need to make a call and give you answer on the spec | 14:34 |
| ndipanov | I am superer -1 on it | 14:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | so the force detach thing | 14:34 |
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| garyk | johnthetubaguy: ok, thanks | 14:34 |
| ndipanov | but would also like to see a solution | 14:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | so the issue I have is that how do we solve that problem otherwise? | 14:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | ndipanov: +1 | 14:35 |
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| ndipanov | I think make detach volume work better | 14:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | in the mean time we have users having to manual edit the DB to fix things up when things go wrong | 14:35 |
| ndipanov | no one has come up with a reason why it can't be done | 14:35 |
| ndipanov | on that spec | 14:35 |
| ndipanov | and some of the proposers agree to that | 14:35 |
| ndipanov | but I see no movement | 14:35 |
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| ndipanov | so maybe a sumary from you would help | 14:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | ndipanov: I can try that | 14:36 |
| ndipanov | as now it seems like a bunch of ppl disagreeing :) | 14:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | ndipanov: if we can make detach just work, I am totally fine with that | 14:36 |
| ndipanov | and the proposers don't seem to be updating it | 14:36 |
| ndipanov | (maybe they think it already missed the train) | 14:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | well I prefer that quite a lot | 14:36 |
| ndipanov | me too | 14:36 |
| ndipanov | Paul said there may be some caveats | 14:37 |
| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: sorry, I don't care about operators having to temporarily edit the DB tables. | 14:37 |
| mriedem | ndipanov: which spec is related to this force detach volume thing? | 14:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | now I was worried we didn't want uses doing the "bad" operation | 14:37 |
| ndipanov | but never came back | 14:37 |
| ndipanov | mriedem, yes | 14:37 |
| mriedem | ndipanov: link? | 14:37 |
| ndipanov | mriedem, sec | 14:37 |
| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: we need to fix it properly, not cover it up with a hack that will live on ad infinitum in the REST API | 14:37 |
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| edleafe | jaypipes: +1 | 14:37 |
| ndipanov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/84048/ | 14:37 |
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| ndipanov | jaypipes, +1 | 14:38 |
| ndipanov | mriedem, ^^ | 14:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | jaypipes: thats certainly my preference, just felt like that wasn't possible | 14:38 |
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| ndipanov | johnthetubaguy, well no one came back on there to explain why | 14:38 |
| jaypipes | johnthetubaguy: it is certainly possible. in fact, I don't really know why this needs to be a spec at all... we just need to fix the detach volume operations to be more tolerant of failures/inconsistencies. | 14:38 |
| ndipanov | I think it can be done | 14:38 |
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| ndipanov | but would require changes to the API | 14:38 |
| mriedem | jaypipes: yeah, sounds like a bug | 14:38 |
| jaypipes | it's a bug fix.\ | 14:38 |
| ndipanov | for the better | 14:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | #action johnthetubaguy to add summary of the force detach debate on the spec | 14:38 |
| mriedem | so we agree that bugs should be fixed? progress! | 14:39 |
| ndipanov | Alternatively move it to the ML | 14:39 |
| ndipanov | but yeah | 14:39 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so I think we are saying, go back and try fix it without an API change | 14:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | which is cool | 14:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, so lets keep moving | 14:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic spec-less blueprints | 14:39 |
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| johnthetubaguy | now we have way more BPs on this list than makes sense for 20 mins | 14:40 |
| andrearosa | jsut a note, it was a spec because before the discussion we thiought we ahd to make an API change which requires (not sure if it is still true) a spec | 14:40 |
| ndipanov | I brought up a point in response to alaski that | 14:40 |
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| ndipanov | no one gets pinged when you post a BP | 14:40 |
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| ndipanov | so ppl default to a spec | 14:40 |
| garyk | can we discuss the nsxv neutron support? | 14:40 |
| ndipanov | ah you mean review them not talk about process.. | 14:40 |
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| ndipanov | hehe | 14:40 |
| garyk | that was on the lis | 14:40 |
| garyk | list for the meeting | 14:40 |
| ndipanov | sry | 14:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | andrearosa: so an API change does need a spec, but lets not go there right now | 14:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | so we have a list | 14:41 |
| garyk | the problem that we have with this is thet neutron driver was released in K and requires 2 nova patches | 14:41 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/cache-aware-weigher | 14:41 |
| garyk | at the summit i was asked to open a BP. | 14:41 |
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| thomasem | One of those is the routes_v6 addition to the templating engine for injecting network configuration | 14:41 |
| mriedem | heh, there are 9 specless bp's in the meeting agenda | 14:41 |
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| thomasem | sister patch to this one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/115409/ basically | 14:41 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so I don't see how this is going to work in the meeting... | 14:42 |
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| sahid | johnthetubaguy: about this bp the code seems to be close to be ready | 14:42 |
| thomasem | hmmmm | 14:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | so looking at the list, do any of these right alarm bells for folks? | 14:42 |
| mriedem | garyk: there are 2 other specs up for adding new neutron vif type support to nova | 14:42 |
| mriedem | seems the nsx thing would be no different right? | 14:42 |
| mriedem | they are pretty mechanical though, so it's mostly just docs | 14:43 |
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| sahid | and i guess makes sense to schedule guest according cached images | 14:43 |
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| garyk | mriedem: it is different - it is not related to the vif | 14:43 |
| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/cache-aware-weigher doesn't require a spec IMHO, since it doesn't change the scheduler interface | 14:43 |
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| garyk | the neutron driver needs to know the port index to enable the security groups to work | 14:43 |
| garyk | that information is only available from nova | 14:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: that was my take, sound like thats good | 14:43 |
| sahid | bauzas: yep it does not require | 14:43 |
| garyk | mriedem: https://review.openstack.org/147126 | 14:44 |
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| bauzas | johnthetubaguy: it just adds a new monitor, and take the metrics info in the weigher | 14:44 |
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| johnthetubaguy | OK I think I am OK with all of these given when I last looked at them | 14:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | as before, if there are big issues, we can go though that in the code reviews | 14:44 |
| thomasem | great | 14:45 |
| sahid | cool | 14:45 |
| thomasem | :) | 14:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | but I want to give folks the chance to raise concerns here | 14:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | I would go through them all, but there are way too many for that to be practical | 14:45 |
| thomasem | lol | 14:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | now as normal, folks can -2 the patch if it turns out this was all dumb | 14:45 |
| garyk | can we discuss https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/vmware-nsxv-support | 14:46 |
| bauzas | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/192875/3/nova/cells/filters/different_cell.py,cm doesn't require a spec as well IMHO - again, no change in the cells scheduler if | 14:46 |
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| johnthetubaguy | garyk: we can, what your concern with that one? | 14:46 |
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| garyk | johnthetubaguy: is that it is blocked, and we need to have it for K. | 14:46 |
| garyk | that is we ship a neutron plugin that does not work as it is lacking this patch | 14:47 |
| garyk | and it looks like it swill not in L either as it is -2 | 14:47 |
| garyk | at the summit i brough this up and you guys asked me to write a BP. | 14:47 |
| garyk | so i am still stuck … | 14:47 |
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| johnthetubaguy | garyk: to get the BP approved you add it to the meeting list | 14:47 |
| garyk | i did | 14:48 |
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| johnthetubaguy | garyk: I just said if there are no concerns I will approve all these | 14:48 |
| garyk | ah, ok. missed and misunderstood that | 14:48 |
| garyk | thanks | 14:48 |
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| johnthetubaguy | Ok, no worries | 14:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | #topic Open Discussion | 14:48 |
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| johnthetubaguy | So I think we got to the end of the agenda | 14:49 |
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| mriedem | cells voting job | 14:49 |
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| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: good question, that seems like we are good to vote now right? | 14:49 |
| mriedem | as in, do we make cells job voting for nova regardless of tempest changes gated on the cells job | 14:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | right | 14:49 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: we need this first https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194410/ | 14:49 |
| sdague | mriedem: given that nova owns the regex in tree, I think it's fine | 14:49 |
| bauzas | there was a discussion about regression excedptions | 14:49 |
| mriedem | sdague: we still need https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194410/ to use the regex in nova's tree | 14:50 |
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| johnthetubaguy | sdague: mriedem: +1 | 14:50 |
| bauzas | +1 | 14:50 |
| mriedem | sdague: shall i harass some -infra people? | 14:50 |
| sdague | mriedem: yeh | 14:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think once we have that patch in, we are good to go | 14:50 |
| sdague | I'm +2 on that change already | 14:50 |
| rgerganov | johnthetubaguy: can we discuss https://review.openstack.org/#/c/148509/ | 14:50 |
| bauzas | melwitt just has to rebase her change to be on top of that | 14:50 |
| melwitt | I also have a question for open discussion | 14:50 |
| andreykurilin | and I :) | 14:51 |
| mriedem | -infra has been harassed | 14:51 |
| rgerganov | I put mine in the agenda :) | 14:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: cool, so I think we are good for the cells thing? | 14:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | rgerganov: sorry, I am loosing track here, you are next | 14:51 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: once the pieces are in place yes | 14:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: awesome | 14:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | big thank you for that work, its great to see us finally get those tests running | 14:52 |
| rgerganov | so there is some disagreement on the implementation for the console API change | 14:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | I mean four release late, but its happening, so thats awesome | 14:52 |
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| rgerganov | even though the spec was approved by the API WG | 14:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | rgerganov: so is this about removing an API in a microversion? | 14:52 |
| rgerganov | johnthetubaguy: yes | 14:52 |
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| johnthetubaguy | rgerganov: what do you mean by approve by the API WG? | 14:52 |
| sdague | rgerganov: so I think that's fine, users calling an old version will still get the old API | 14:52 |
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| rgerganov | johnthetubaguy: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/185844/ | 14:53 |
| rgerganov | it explicitly says that we remove the old APIs | 14:53 |
| johnthetubaguy | rgerganov: I see you comment in the spec now, sorry | 14:53 |
| rgerganov | so I need to chase Kenichi to remove his -1 | 14:53 |
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| johnthetubaguy | rgerganov: have you sent an email to kenichi about that? | 14:54 |
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| rgerganov | johnthetubaguy: no, but I will do if needed | 14:54 |
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| johnthetubaguy | rgerganov: thats a good idea if he is not responding | 14:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | having said that, it seems like we have support for that approach here | 14:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: are you good to review and possibly +1 that? | 14:54 |
| rgerganov | ok, I just need to make sure the other cores are OK | 14:54 |
| sdague | johnthetubaguy: yeh, I just +2ed that patch, I'm fine with that approach | 14:55 |
| rgerganov | sdague: thanks | 14:55 |
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| sdague | I feel that is one of the reasons we created microversions | 14:55 |
| johnthetubaguy | sdague: awesome, thanks, just saw the update | 14:55 |
| johnthetubaguy | rgerganov: thanks for raising that, hopefully that works now | 14:55 |
| rgerganov | johnthetubaguy: yup, much appreciated! | 14:55 |
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| scheuran | I still have the question if it's possible to get new vif_types approved in liberty? Or if all of them are "stuck" due to ongoing discussions regarding os-vif-library? | 14:56 |
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| mnestratov | johnthetubaguy: about parallels/virtuozzo driver feature parity changes - we have some small fixes and they don't have enough attention. is is possible to look at them somehow? | 14:56 |
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| melwitt | I wanted to make sure all is well for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/nested-quota-driver-api considering the quotas simplification isn't happening this cycle, that this nested quota isn't going to be blocked | 14:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | scheuran: you were first | 14:56 |
| neiljerram | scheuran: +1 | 14:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | melwitt: I have a todo from the summit on that, I think, or someone does | 14:56 |
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| mriedem | scheuran: in my opinion we shouldn't block new vif type support on the os-vif library proposal for liberty | 14:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | melwitt: we were going to check if it was orthognal, if the quota simplicifation was going to happen, or something like that | 14:57 |
| snikitin | I have a question about instance tags spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177112/ Is it possible to merge it in Liberty? | 14:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: so I think we need to move forward with the VIF situation, and thats probably going to be the only way to make progress | 14:57 |
| neiljerram | I really think that https://review.openstack.org/#/c/193668/ could be approved. From my reading of comments, no one has any high level objections; just details that could be sorted out during coding. | 14:57 |
| mriedem | i thought we said that for nested quotas, expect things to change massively with the quote refactor | 14:58 |
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| neiljerram | (That's the os-vif-library spec) | 14:58 |
| mriedem | johnthetubaguy: the os-vif spec came in pretty late thoguh, and can be worked in parallel | 14:58 |
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| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: which bit can be worked in parallel again? | 14:58 |
| mriedem | we're talking about writing a new library and then integrating that in nova and neutron in liberty yet | 14:58 |
| mriedem | i don't see that happening | 14:59 |
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| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: oh I see now | 14:59 |
| mriedem | the people that have new vif types could just get them into nova in liberty the old way | 14:59 |
| mriedem | which is fairly mechanical | 14:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | so my take, mostly as we are out of time | 14:59 |
| scheuran | mriedem: +1 | 14:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | mriedem: OK, thats cool | 14:59 |
| neiljerram | I disagree that we couldn't get this done in L | 14:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | if we don't *need* to block people, we really really should not | 15:00 |
| neiljerram | Lots of folk interested in helping with this. | 15:00 |
| edleafe | johnthetubaguy: yeah - let' em try for L | 15:00 |
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| johnthetubaguy | neiljerram: I think we are saying lets try to do it in parallel | 15:00 |
| mriedem | neiljerram: i'm saying, start working on it | 15:00 |
| edleafe | if they don't make it, so be it. | 15:00 |
| mriedem | neiljerram: but don't block others for it | 15:00 |
| scheuran | johnthetubaguy: ok, meaning I could get a vif_type in in the old way for Liberty? | 15:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | scheuran: yes | 15:00 |
| scheuran | johnthetubaguy: great! | 15:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, seems we are out of time | 15:00 |
| neiljerram | That works for me | 15:00 |
| mriedem | bye! | 15:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | thanks for turning up | 15:00 |
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| scheuran | bye | 15:01 |
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| johnthetubaguy | #endmeeting | 15:01 |
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| gordc | #topic Blueprint checkpoint (https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-ceilometer-contributors-meetup) | 15:04 |
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| gordc | so we released liberty-1 a few days ago | 15:04 |
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| gordc | https://launchpad.net/ceilometer/+milestone/liberty-1 | 15:04 |
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| gordc | we got a few stuff in | 15:05 |
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| gordc | we have a lot more. | 15:05 |
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| gordc | i think only jason added a expected completion date for his b | 15:05 |
| gordc | bp* | 15:05 |
| gordc | i'm hoping others can add their targets to either etherpad or to blueprints.launchpad.net | 15:06 |
| gordc | any blockers so far? | 15:06 |
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| prad | gordc, i should have something reviewable on declarative stuff next week i think | 15:06 |
| prad | making good progress | 15:07 |
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| _nadya_ | gordc: do we have any blockers for InfluxDB driver in Gnocchi? | 15:07 |
| gordc | prad: awesome! | 15:07 |
| gordc | _nadya_: i believe we are still waiting on a release with fixes? jd__ ? | 15:07 |
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| _nadya_ | gordc: IlyaT is working on new version but the first version is still on review | 15:07 |
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| gordc | _nadya_: i see. can you paste link? i'll try to take a look. | 15:08 |
| jd__ | gordc: last time I checked yeah but 0.9 is out, now we need to check if the python lib is updated | 15:08 |
| _nadya_ | gordc: I'm asking because 'asynchrony in the API' item in etherpad | 15:08 |
| gordc | jd__: cool cool | 15:08 |
| jd__ | I don't know if someone is actively working on it for now, last person was sileht but he's on PTO | 15:08 |
| gordc | #action check influxdb python lib updated yet | 15:09 |
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| llu-laptop | speaking of declarative stuff, need review on the spec https://review.openstack.org/178057 | 15:09 |
| _nadya_ | jd__: Ilya T made a lot of investigations | 15:09 |
| gordc | jd__: ah i see, that'd explain why he doesn't answer. | 15:09 |
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| jd__ | _nadya_: gordc: the API is already async, we merged that change last week | 15:09 |
| gordc | llu-laptop: kk, will look today | 15:09 |
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| llu-laptop | gordc: thx | 15:09 |
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| gordc | jd__: yep. good to know | 15:10 |
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| _nadya_ | jd__: I'm afraid we may do the same work with sileht... How to prevent it? Only keeping in touch with him? | 15:10 |
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| idegtiarov_ | hi | 15:10 |
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| jd__ | _nadya_: same work? | 15:11 |
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| jd__ | _nadya_: if you're talking about InfluxDB it's out there at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/165407/ | 15:11 |
| gordc | jd__: you know when he's back? maybe ilya can take it over? i assume sileht is busy with oslo.messaging work | 15:12 |
| _nadya_ | jd__: yep, we are working on the version with tags now | 15:12 |
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| jd__ | gordc: next week I think | 15:12 |
| gordc | jd__: kk | 15:13 |
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| jd__ | _nadya_: not sure what it means but ok :) | 15:13 |
| gordc | _nadya_: i'd suggest you guys work off that patch, we can sync up with sileht when he returns | 15:13 |
| _nadya_ | jd__: hehe :) it's a key feature on 0.9 Influx | 15:13 |
| jd__ | _nadya_: yeah but I'm not sure what you are doing in your corner but ok :) | 15:14 |
| gordc | _nadya_: i'm pretty sure sileht has other bigger items on his plate than influx so it shouldn't be an issue for one of you to grab it but we can confirm next week | 15:14 |
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| _nadya_ | gordc: ok! | 15:14 |
| gordc | _nadya_: cool cool | 15:14 |
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| gordc | #action checkpoint with sileht on influxdb driver to see if ilya can jump in | 15:15 |
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| gordc | i guess aside from that. here's the list of specs targeting liberty: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/liberty | 15:15 |
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| gordc | there's a few open spec reviews still so any cores with time, please jump in | 15:16 |
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| gordc | anything else on liberty related stuff? | 15:16 |
| jd__ | the aodh split is currently blocked by the TC I think | 15:16 |
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| cdent | Is fabio here today? | 15:16 |
| jd__ | or people making weeks to approve a change to openstack/governance, whoever that is | 15:16 |
| gordc | cdent: hasn't seen fabiog in a very long time | 15:16 |
| cdent | I'll take over that spec then | 15:17 |
| gordc | jd__: was there a blocking comment or just no one looking at it? | 15:17 |
| cdent | (riding it in to acceptance) | 15:17 |
| gordc | cdent: collection split? | 15:17 |
| * cdent nods | 15:17 | |
| gordc | cdent: yeah, he agreed last i had contact with him. go for it. | 15:18 |
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| idegtiarov_ | gordc, what about this bp https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/events-pipeline-transformers could it be approved for liberty | 15:18 |
| gordc | jd__: i'll follow up with aodh stuff | 15:19 |
| gordc | #action check status of aodh lib | 15:19 |
| jd__ | gordc: no one looking | 15:19 |
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| gordc | idegtiarov_: i'll try to get around to that spec today. i think i had questions about it last time. i think it overlapped with alarm stuff but i might be talking about another bp | 15:20 |
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| idegtiarov_ | gordc, we've discussed spec with llu and it doesn't overlap with alarms any more | 15:21 |
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| gordc | idegtiarov_: cool cool | 15:21 |
| gordc | will check later. | 15:22 |
| idegtiarov_ | :) | 15:22 |
| idegtiarov_ | gordc, thanks | 15:22 |
| llu-laptop | gordc: yeah, that spec is only about event transformer | 15:22 |
| llu-laptop | timeout will be another spec | 15:22 |
| gordc | llu-laptop: i see. i need to give it another read i think | 15:22 |
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| gordc | any other liberty stuff? | 15:23 |
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| gordc | on to the next | 15:24 |
| gordc | #topic Midcycle Meetup | 15:24 |
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| idegtiarov_ | here new bp for timeout alarms from nitification https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/timeout-event-alarm-evaluator | 15:24 |
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| gordc | darn | 15:24 |
| gordc | idegtiarov_: oh ok. same topic. i'll take a glance later | 15:24 |
| idegtiarov_ | kk | 15:24 |
| gordc | someone propose the midcycle topic? | 15:25 |
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| prad | not me, but here is the http://doodle.com/6vfksdu38wcwqqd3 | 15:25 |
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| prad | seems like July 6th Monday seems like has the most votes | 15:25 |
| gordc | prad: did we discuss how this was actually going to work? | 15:26 |
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| eglynn | prad: is there going to be a "standardized" timezone for the day? | 15:26 |
| gordc | apologies for being away last week when original meetup was cancelled | 15:26 |
| prad | yea we wanted to take a vote first and see if the dates match everyones availability | 15:27 |
| prad | yea timezones is key, we can discuss what works best | 15:27 |
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| eglynn | agreed ... what TZ do they use in the Azores? :) | 15:28 |
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| _nadya_ | how many hours do we need, btw? What do you think? | 15:29 |
| cdent | there's an etherpad with the proposed topics, that should help us decide on how much time: | 15:29 |
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| gordc | _nadya_: that's why i asked if we figured out how we were doing this. me and llu are in complete opposite tz | 15:29 |
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| cdent | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ceilometer-liberty-midcycle | 15:30 |
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| gordc | i guess the idea is to tackle one topic a day? and drop in when you can? | 15:30 |
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| cdent | is it? dunno | 15:31 |
| * gordc is completely guessing. | 15:31 | |
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| gordc | don't know what was decided last week. | 15:31 |
| cdent | We were going to talk about it more this week :) | 15:31 |
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| _nadya_ | It's the problem to set up even one session :) One per topic seems impossible | 15:31 |
| cdent | actually, no, there was supposed to be some meandering discussion and some additions to the etherpad | 15:31 |
| gordc | cdent: ah i see. anyone do a virtual meet up before? | 15:31 |
| cdent | yeah sure | 15:32 |
| ildikov | I think last week we said that people should be available to be able to discuss topics or smth like not much more | 15:32 |
| cdent | You decide and agenda in advance, you put some time bounds on it, and people show up for what they care about. If people don't show up they eithe don't care or didn't pay attention during the agenda creation | 15:32 |
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| gordc | cdent: reason i put daily bounds was because of tz diff | 15:33 |
| gordc | you euro folks lucked out being smack dab in middle | 15:33 |
| * cdent nods | 15:34 | |
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| gordc | i don't have any real suggestions. i'm sort hoping someone's done a virtual meetup before but doesn't seem like it. | 15:35 |
| prad | gordc, do we need a whole day? or just half a day that can atleast overlap decently with most timezones? | 15:35 |
| cdent | the "yeah sure" above was me saying I had | 15:35 |
| gordc | i think we should have some agenda though... else it'll just be a normal day in ceilometer channel | 15:35 |
| cdent | with timezones and everything | 15:35 |
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| gordc | cdent: ah i see. | 15:35 |
| gordc | cdent: i will let you dictate. :) | 15:36 |
| _nadya_ | I think that every topic should have a leader who asks the concrete questions | 15:36 |
| cdent | good luck with that, you won't like it | 15:36 |
| prad | yea if we can have an agenda with topics and approximate times, people can hop on and off as convenient to them? | 15:36 |
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| cdent | It is _critical_ to follow the time boundaries | 15:36 |
| prad | and we do something like the design summit where people vote who wants to attend what | 15:36 |
| cdent | we get that for free at somewhere like the design summit because of rooms and such | 15:36 |
| cdent | but virtual you have to have discipline | 15:37 |
| prad | based on the popular vote we schedule the time? | 15:37 |
| cdent | makes sense | 15:37 |
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| gordc | prad: i think the concern i had was that some people will end up with a lot of hours on a topic, and others will have 1hr. | 15:37 |
| prad | and see what TZ's overlap | 15:37 |
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| cdent | gordc: that's an unsolvable problem. An in person meetups solves it by having people shift their time by way of geography. There are other ways to shift time. | 15:37 |
| gordc | i guess we can just start with a list of topics and go from there. | 15:37 |
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| prad | gordc, unless we have fixed time slots.. anything out of that discuss on the channel | 15:38 |
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| cdent | We can try our best to accomodate but only if people actively express (on the etherpad what they are interested in and the timezones they are able to hit) | 15:38 |
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| cdent | How about this: Prad and I will make an email and send it out to osd [ceilometer]? | 15:38 |
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| cdent | outlining the next steps | 15:38 |
| gordc | cdent: i will trust you on this -- i will provide feedback afterwards.lol | 15:38 |
| _nadya_ | cdent: +1. A lot of work should be done _before_ | 15:39 |
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| ildikov | cdent: +1 | 15:39 |
| cdent | _nadya_: yes that's very very important | 15:39 |
| gordc | that works for me. | 15:39 |
| cdent | prad, find me when you come to life tomorrow and we'll make it go? (I'm about to expire today) | 15:39 |
| prad | sure | 15:40 |
| gordc | #action cdent will take lead on planning virt midcycle | 15:40 |
| cdent | cool, thanks | 15:40 |
| gordc | cdent: there's your bus | 15:40 |
| _nadya_ | I think I can spend some time on planning too | 15:40 |
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| gordc | _nadya_: cool cool. more the better. | 15:41 |
| cdent | cool _nadya_ we'll probably have some etherpad(s) started tomorrow, will let you know | 15:41 |
| _nadya_ | cdent: feel free to ping me | 15:41 |
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| * cdent is not licensed to drive a bus | 15:41 | |
| gordc | cdent: it's ok, i just pushed you under it. | 15:41 |
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| cdent | safe! | 15:42 |
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| gordc | ok. so december midcycle? | 15:43 |
| * gordc just noticed time | 15:43 | |
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| gordc | not sure who added this either... but i'm guessing it's too early to plan? | 15:44 |
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| cdent | that may be left over from last week | 15:44 |
| gordc | maybe we should have the discussion right before summit? | 15:44 |
| gordc | cdent: kk. on to the next. | 15:44 |
| cdent | but jason is trying to plan ahead because of the chaos of the two prior cycle's mid-cycles | 15:44 |
| cdent | and he's got approval from his employer to host in dublin | 15:45 |
| cdent | and some dollar for snacks and such | 15:45 |
| gordc | cdent: kk. we can revisit closer to summit i think. | 15:45 |
| gordc | #topic ceilometer splits, delete or deprecate old code? impact on downstream? | 15:45 |
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| _nadya_ | so much discussions about discussions :) | 15:45 |
| gordc | cdent: go | 15:45 |
| cdent | I believe this is also left over from last week, and we didn't make any progress then, andI think decided that it was good (perhaps even priority) mid-cycle topic | 15:46 |
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| gordc | cdent: kk | 15:46 |
| cdent | basically the topic captures the whole thing and we need to decide and soon, due to the level of work it will cause us | 15:46 |
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| * gordc will reread last weeks meeting logs i guess | 15:47 | |
| gordc | no strong opinion from me. | 15:47 |
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| gordc | #topic recurring: ceilometerclient release? | 15:48 |
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| gordc | it was released yesterday. next | 15:48 |
| gordc | #topic recurring: Gnocchi status | 15:48 |
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| gordc | jd__: anything to add to what was mentioned before? | 15:48 |
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| gordc | #topic Open discussion | 15:49 |
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| cdent | I made gnocchi work on /metric instead of :8041/ and doing ceilometer now too | 15:50 |
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| gordc | cdent: what will ceilometer be under? meter/event? | 15:50 |
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| cdent | whatever we like, but the pattern seems to be /telemetry | 15:51 |
| cdent | it's the service id in keystone | 15:51 |
| cdent | s/id/name/ | 15:51 |
| gordc | telemetry/metric, telemetry/meter, telemetry/event? | 15:51 |
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| cdent | http://api.com/telemetry/v2/whatevers | 15:51 |
| gordc | or is gnocchi going completely on it's own? | 15:51 |
| cdent | http://api.com/metric/v1/whatevers | 15:52 |
| gordc | cdent: i see.. | 15:52 |
| cdent | http://api.com/identify/some_keystone_crap | 15:52 |
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| cdent | this is, apparently, a long term goal from the people who make long term goals | 15:52 |
| cdent | when I asked where these goals were written down I was told they just exist in the ether | 15:52 |
| * cdent shrugs | 15:52 | |
| cdent | it's a good idea anyway | 15:52 |
| gordc | don't ask questions | 15:52 |
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| _nadya_ | may I ask about my suggestion to verify meters? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/193501/ . Idea is to add is_valid during sample creation | 15:53 |
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| ildikov | I think if we have an is_valid check, then it should be articulated to other projects to sync up on that | 15:54 |
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| gordc | ildikov: i don't think it extends beyond ceilometer | 15:54 |
| gordc | samples/events are ceilometer concepts, notifications (and it's schema-less madness) is openstack | 15:55 |
| _nadya_ | yep, we check our Sample's fields actually | 15:55 |
| ildikov | gordc: if we drop samples based on it, then it does IMHO | 15:55 |
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| _nadya_ | but how process notification without resource_id? | 15:56 |
| gordc | ildikov: sure. but how would you enforce that? | 15:56 |
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| gordc | ildikov: if something doesn't have a resource_id, a is_valid check would help. it's a bug in that project (or a notification never intended for ceilometer) | 15:57 |
| gordc | wouldn't help* | 15:57 |
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| _nadya_ | ok, let's continue in review, I need to add a proper test. gordc has removed the file I used :) | 15:58 |
| gordc | _nadya_: :) | 15:59 |
| gordc | which file? | 15:59 |
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| gordc | test_notifier? | 15:59 |
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| _nadya_ | gordc: yep. Anyway, it was a mistake to use it | 15:59 |
| gordc | yeah we can discuss over at os-ceilometer | 15:59 |
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| gordc | closing this for now. thanks for attending | 15:59 |
| gordc | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 25 16:00:01 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2015/ceilometer.2015-06-25-15.01.html | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2015/ceilometer.2015-06-25-15.01.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2015/ceilometer.2015-06-25-15.01.log.html | 16:00 |
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| sridhar_ram | o/ | 16:00 |
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| bobh_ | o/ | 16:00 |
| sripriya | o/ | 16:00 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh_: hi | 16:00 |
| s3wong | hello | 16:00 |
| bobh_ | hello | 16:00 |
| vishwanathj | hello | 16:01 |
| prashantD | o/ | 16:01 |
| s3wong | I guess it is time to start meeting | 16:01 |
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| sridhar_ram | yep | 16:01 |
| s3wong | #startmeeting tacker | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 25 16:01:26 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is s3wong. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tacker' | 16:01 |
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| s3wong | #chair sridhar_ram | 16:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: s3wong sridhar_ram | 16:01 |
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| s3wong | agenda: #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Tacker#Meeting_June_25.2C_2015 | 16:02 |
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| s3wong | #topic announcements | 16:02 |
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| s3wong | We are helping Comcast doing preliminary installation of Tacker in their lab tonight | 16:03 |
| s3wong | 10pm PDT | 16:03 |
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| s3wong | anyone interested to join? | 16:04 |
| Rajkumar_ | Hi All - This Raj and going to work with Stephen for tacker installation in our Comcast setup | 16:04 |
| s3wong | Rajkumar_: hello | 16:04 |
| sridhar_ram | Rajkumar_: hi, glad you folks are trying out | 16:04 |
| Rajkumar_ | I hope Sridhar also joining with us. Just sent invite to them as well | 16:05 |
| bobh_ | s3wong: I'm interested but that's pretty late here - I'll join if I'm still up | 16:05 |
| s3wong | Rajkumar_: we will definitely try our best to make installation easy for you guys | 16:05 |
| s3wong | bobh_: sure, her is the info | 16:05 |
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| sridhar_ram | Rajkumar_: yes, I'm planning to join | 16:05 |
| Rajkumar_ | Thanks Stephen. We're looking forward to it. | 16:05 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: that's the next item in the agenda! | 16:05 |
| s3wong | #info #link https://tcs.webex.com/tcs/j.php?MTID=m7bc6148f7563818da87338bc1df17be1 | 16:05 |
| bobh_ | s3wong: thx | 16:06 |
| s3wong | #info Meeting number 868 735 031 | 16:06 |
| Rajkumar_ | Thanks Sridhar. | 16:06 |
| s3wong | #info Meeting password: 123 (because no one will ever guess that one if I didn't tell) | 16:06 |
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| s3wong | Any other announcements? | 16:06 |
| sridhar_ram | announcement wise .. it is july 4th weekend next week. Should we plan to skip the mtg for next week ? | 16:06 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: +1 | 16:07 |
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| sridhar_ram | how abt this - anyone definitely want one next week ? | 16:07 |
| s3wong | Everyone OK with skipping the meeting next week? | 16:07 |
| s3wong | ... going once | 16:08 |
| s3wong | ... going twice | 16:08 |
| vishwanathj | ok to skip | 16:08 |
| s3wong | ... SOLD | 16:08 |
| bobh_ | ok | 16:08 |
| s3wong | #info there will be no Tacker meeting next Thurs; meeting will resume on July 9th | 16:09 |
| s3wong | we can still find each other on #tacker if you want to raise anything | 16:09 |
| s3wong | any other announcement? | 16:09 |
| s3wong | OK --- moving on | 16:10 |
| s3wong | #topic Ease of installation | 16:10 |
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| s3wong | subtopic #1: devstack | 16:10 |
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| sripriya | The new devstack repo is at: https://github.com/srics/devstack/tree/tacker-devstack | 16:11 |
| s3wong | so two pieces: a sample local.conf, and devstack plugin | 16:11 |
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| sridhar_ram | note, this is an interim step until we have tacker devstack integration .. | 16:11 |
| s3wong | I took the local.conf from the link sripriya gave above, and replace some IP addresses to localhost | 16:11 |
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| s3wong | so this works, and I will send out a patch to get folks started | 16:12 |
| s3wong | for (slightly) longer term, we will do devstack plugin | 16:12 |
| s3wong | sripriya has volunteered to do this | 16:12 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: I think we need a lot simpler local.conf | 16:12 |
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| s3wong | sripriya: any update? | 16:12 |
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| sripriya | s3wong: its in a good progress | 16:13 |
| sridhar_ram | what we have in the repo is something some yamahata's dev environment | 16:13 |
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| s3wong | sridhar_ram: agreed --- I wonder if all those MY_HOST == SERVICE_HOST thing is necessary, or checking for neutron_legacy and so on | 16:13 |
| sripriya | i will be trying to submit patchset soon | 16:13 |
| sripriya | this will be on devstack kilo release | 16:13 |
| s3wong | sripriya: very good! | 16:13 |
| sripriya | yes i will remove the unwanted lines from local.conf | 16:13 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: in fact I use a ridiculously simple local.conf to successfully install tacker | 16:13 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: +1 | 16:14 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya: I can share mine w/ you to refer | 16:14 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: yeah, I looked at local.conf.sample from networking-ovn, it is drop dead simple | 16:14 |
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| sripriya | sridhar_ram: thanks | 16:14 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: I can definitely resolve it down to tens of lines as a sample | 16:15 |
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| sridhar_ram | I also have an install.rst .. it is time to post it in our doc/devref .. | 16:15 |
| sridhar_ram | I shared it w/ few folks from ALU | 16:15 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: OK, cool | 16:15 |
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| s3wong | anything else on devstack? | 16:16 |
| sridhar_ram | yes | 16:16 |
| sridhar_ram | I raised this https://bugs.launchpad.net/tacker/+bug/1468568 | 16:16 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1468568 in tacker "Tacker Install: automatically install tacker-horizon as part of devstack" [Medium,New] | 16:16 |
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| sridhar_ram | tacker devstack should also enable required horizon dashboard automatically | 16:17 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: that's right. Today you still have to do this manually | 16:17 |
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| sridhar_ram | We should make tacker install ridiculously simple :) | 16:17 |
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| sripriya | +1 | 16:17 |
| sridhar_ram | we can plan this bug after / along w/ the tacker-devstack support | 16:18 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram, sripriya, vishwanathj: is one of you going to take on this bug? | 16:18 |
| sripriya | s3wong: i will take care of this as part of plugin development | 16:18 |
| sripriya | sridhar_ram: you can assign it to me | 16:19 |
| s3wong | sripriya: thanks! | 16:19 |
| sridhar_ram | sripriya: sure, will do. thanks | 16:19 |
| s3wong | anything else on devstack? | 16:19 |
| s3wong | Moving on | 16:19 |
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| s3wong | #info subtopic #2: heat patch | 16:20 |
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| sridhar_ram | AFAIK the patch is close to being merged | 16:20 |
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| s3wong | apparently it was approved https://review.openstack.org/#/c/179989/ | 16:20 |
| s3wong | didn't pass Jenkins though | 16:20 |
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| s3wong | once it passes Jenkins it should be merged | 16:21 |
| s3wong | seems like Yalei Wang has taken over the patch from yamahata | 16:21 |
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| sridhar_ram | yep. thanks to yamahata ! | 16:21 |
| s3wong | great stuff indeed | 16:22 |
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| s3wong | although it doesn't seem like it will be back ported to stable/kilo | 16:22 |
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| s3wong | so for our initial devstack scripts, we may still need to include HEAT_BRANCH variable setting | 16:23 |
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| s3wong | any other question on Heat patch? | 16:23 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: that another topic .. we should gently move towards master ! | 16:23 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: we should | 16:23 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: but NOT before we made tacker installation ridiculously simple | 16:24 |
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| s3wong | sridhar_ram: we should go from a base that we KNOW works to get the various ease of installation items done, then we can move toward master | 16:24 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: absolutely | 16:24 |
| sridhar_ram | moving to master is non-trivial effort | 16:24 |
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| s3wong | sridhar_ram: indeed --- I don't expect that to be a simple change in local.conf and everything works :-) | 16:25 |
| sridhar_ram | :) | 16:25 |
| s3wong | alright, moving on | 16:25 |
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| s3wong | #info subtopic #3: installation docs | 16:25 |
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| s3wong | so Rajkumar_ has mentioned that we badly lacked installation documentation | 16:26 |
| s3wong | I say we are guilty as charged | 16:26 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: I'll take an AI to upload usage.rst to doc/devref | 16:26 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: cool, thanks! | 16:26 |
| s3wong | #action sridhar_ram to upload usage.rst to doc/devref | 16:27 |
| Rajkumar_ | It would be grateful to have installation document like other openstack services. | 16:27 |
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| sridhar_ram | Rajkumar_: we will get there... | 16:27 |
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| s3wong | Rajkumar_, sridhar_ram: I have to be honest, we really haven't installed Tacker outside of devstack | 16:28 |
| sridhar_ram | Rajkumar_: in fact once your team is confortable w/ Tacker .. it will be great if you can join to help out | 16:28 |
| Rajkumar_ | if the installation goes well tonight then we can document the same and share it | 16:28 |
| s3wong | Rajkumar_, sridhar_ram: so as one of the side benefit of us supporting Comcast to install Tacker, we can also be documenting the steps as we go, and have a true installation document as a result | 16:28 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: oh yeah, I meant the installation doc only in the context of devstack! | 16:29 |
| Rajkumar_ | yes. | 16:29 |
| s3wong | Rajkumar_: +1 | 16:29 |
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| s3wong | Rajkumar_: hopefully we will make some good progress tonight! | 16:29 |
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| Rajkumar_ | Thanks Stephen. looking forward to it. | 16:29 |
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| Rajkumar_ | BTW, We've issues in tacker installation of devstack | 16:30 |
| Rajkumar_ | I already mailed you guys with issues description and logs | 16:30 |
| s3wong | Rajkumar_: that should be the first item we look to tackle tonight right off the bat | 16:30 |
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| Rajkumar_ | oslo.utils version across glance & keystone services | 16:31 |
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| Rajkumar_ | Ok. Thank you. | 16:31 |
| s3wong | Rajkumar_: you are using devstack branch stable/kilo, right? | 16:32 |
| sridhar_ram | Rajkumar_: sripriya has an handle on this issue. We sure can help to unblock you folks | 16:32 |
| Rajkumar_ | yes. | 16:32 |
| Rajkumar_ | I used stable/kilo | 16:33 |
| s3wong | Rajkumar_: hmm... OK... need to take a look at your local.conf to see why oslo versions between glance and keystone do not agree... | 16:33 |
| s3wong | anything, will do that offline | 16:34 |
| s3wong | *anyway | 16:34 |
| s3wong | anything else on documentation? | 16:34 |
| Rajkumar_ | Sripriya is also looped in mail with logs. | 16:34 |
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| s3wong | Rajkumar_: yes | 16:35 |
| s3wong | alright, moving on to the next topic | 16:35 |
| s3wong | #topic Bugs | 16:35 |
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| s3wong | sridhar_ram: any bugs you want to highlight? | 16:35 |
| sridhar_ram | yes.. | 16:35 |
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| sridhar_ram | I went ahead and opened bugs for the issues I've seen so that we have a handle on them | 16:36 |
| sridhar_ram | req #1 to the team: please open bugs for the issues you see! | 16:36 |
| bobh_ | sridhar_ram: If any of the bugs are low-hanging/fairly easy I would like to take on one or two to start to get to know the codebase better | 16:37 |
| sridhar_ram | it will help to prioritize beyond what is capable using Action Items in this meeting | 16:37 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh_: awesome | 16:37 |
| sridhar_ram | that was my req#2 :) | 16:37 |
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| sridhar_ram | I've marked few of the bugs as low hanging fruit for you to pick | 16:38 |
| bobh_ | sridhar_ram: Thanks - I'll take a look | 16:38 |
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| s3wong | sridhar_ram: you want to list them on the meeting channel? | 16:38 |
| sridhar_ram | Folks who are new to Tacker this is an awesome way to understand and contribute back | 16:38 |
| sridhar_ram | sure, here are few .. | 16:38 |
| sridhar_ram | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tacker/+bug/1468560 | 16:39 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1468560 in tacker "Tacker horizon - Delete VNFD doesn't take effect" [Low,New] | 16:39 |
| sridhar_ram | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tacker/+bug/1468563 | 16:39 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1468563 in tacker "Tacker horizon - Terminate VNF doesn't take effect" [Low,New] | 16:39 |
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| sridhar_ram | even this one should be relatively easy.. | 16:39 |
| sridhar_ram | https://bugs.launchpad.net/tacker/+bug/1468565 | 16:39 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1468565 in tacker "Tacker: Error during VNF create returns internal error" [Low,New] | 16:39 |
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| sridhar_ram | Please look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/tacker/ for new bugs and take it up ! | 16:40 |
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| s3wong | sridhar_ram: good QA effort :-) | 16:40 |
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| sridhar_ram | I've marked the ones related to installation with higher priority | 16:41 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: thanks! | 16:41 |
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| s3wong | any other bugs related things we want to discuss? | 16:42 |
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| s3wong | we will check on bug progress in the next meeting (which is two weeks from now) | 16:42 |
| s3wong | hopefully some of them will be fixed by then | 16:43 |
| sridhar_ram | s3wong: that's it for now, looking forward for patchset for these bugs! | 16:43 |
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| s3wong | moving on | 16:43 |
| s3wong | #topic Health Monitoring | 16:43 |
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| s3wong | bobh_, prashantD: anything to update on that front? | 16:43 |
| s3wong | spec timeline, more specifically? | 16:44 |
| bobh_ | We were finally able to get monasca installed locally so we can start looking at that | 16:44 |
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| prashantD | no update on the spec. before updating the spec we were discussing about putting usecase document | 16:44 |
| bobh_ | I will have some time next week to start writing a spec. dgollub suggested a usecasespec for the vtelco-wg so I might combine the two | 16:44 |
| s3wong | bobh_: OK. Sounds good | 16:45 |
| bobh_ | I think we need to define the different layers of monitoring and decide which ones we want to tacke=le | 16:45 |
| bobh_ | *tackle | 16:45 |
| s3wong | bobh_: particularly as it pertains to Liberty timeline | 16:45 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh_: prashantD: please keep the current mgmt_driver framework already in place while thinking about monitoring plugin framework | 16:45 |
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| sridhar_ram | health / KPI monitoring is key for Tacker .. | 16:46 |
| s3wong | bobh_, prashantD: keep in mind that the spec is only for Liberty, so we need to take that into account when considering the scope | 16:46 |
| s3wong | monitoring is a big area, and will likely evolve over multiple cycles | 16:46 |
| bobh_ | s3wong: OK - maybe the spec will be a small subset of what I write for the vtelco-wg usecase | 16:46 |
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| sridhar_ram | I'd like to see something, even a simple framework in place for Liberty | 16:46 |
| s3wong | bobh_: +1 | 16:46 |
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| bobh_ | sridhar_ram: ok, I should have something basic by the next meeting | 16:47 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh_: we can use the spec review to phase this | 16:47 |
| sridhar_ram | bobh_: great | 16:47 |
| s3wong | bobh_, prashantD: please work together to finalize the scope of what can be done within the cycle | 16:47 |
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| bobh_ | prashantD: I'll send you a draft next week | 16:48 |
| prashantD | bobh_ : sure, thanx | 16:48 |
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| bobh_ | prashantD: sorry, I meant updates to the spec you started | 16:48 |
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| s3wong | looking forward to reading you guys' spec soon | 16:49 |
| s3wong | moving on | 16:49 |
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| s3wong | #topic status update | 16:50 |
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| s3wong | action items from last week | 16:50 |
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| s3wong | dgollub: setting up meeting with serg_melikyan for Murano extension point? | 16:51 |
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| s3wong | apparently a meeting hasn't been scheduled :-) | 16:52 |
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| s3wong | and TBH it isn't very urgent, so it is fine | 16:52 |
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| sridhar_ram | s3wong: +1 | 16:52 |
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| s3wong | the other two AIs we already discussed (local.conf.sample and devstack plugin), and they are progressing | 16:53 |
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| s3wong | going back to the meeting before last week, one AI is for sridhar_ram | 16:53 |
| s3wong | functional tests? | 16:53 |
| sridhar_ram | yes, I was about to bring it... even though I didn't make much progress ;-) | 16:53 |
| dgollub | s3wong: sorry, didn't had time to setup a meeting yet. I try to do something for next week. | 16:53 |
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| s3wong | sridhar_ram: to be fair, my AI of unit test has also been no progress :-) | 16:54 |
| s3wong | dgollub: NP. Thanks! | 16:54 |
| sridhar_ram | I'll have an update .. at least the effort + plan (and may be more) to get there by our next meeting | 16:54 |
| s3wong | sridhar_ram: yeah --- you should work during ID4 weekend :-) | 16:55 |
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| sridhar_ram | s3wong: yeah, when things are quite .. without any meetings | 16:56 |
| sridhar_ram | *quiet | 16:56 |
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| s3wong | sridhar_ram: yeah, for me too. When my day job is not on my way :-) | 16:57 |
| s3wong | alright, we are onetime! | 16:57 |
| s3wong | * on time | 16:57 |
| s3wong | #topic Open Discussion | 16:57 |
| sridhar_ram | well.. this is turning out to be my day job ;-) | 16:57 |
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| s3wong | anything anyone wants to discuss? | 16:57 |
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| s3wong | alright, finish TWO whole minutes early! | 16:58 |
| s3wong | Thanks everyone | 16:58 |
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| sridhar_ram | thanks everyone! | 16:58 |
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| s3wong | talk to you guys in two weeks, or on #tacker | 16:58 |
| vishwanathj | bye | 16:58 |
| bobh_ | bye | 16:58 |
| s3wong | #endmeeting | 16:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 25 16:58:57 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:58 |
| sripriya | bye | 16:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2015/tacker.2015-06-25-16.01.html | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2015/tacker.2015-06-25-16.01.txt | 16:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tacker/2015/tacker.2015-06-25-16.01.log.html | 16:59 |
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| daneyon_ | #start container-networking | 18:00 |
| s3wong | hello | 18:00 |
| daneyon_ | #startmeeting container-networking | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 25 18:00:30 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is daneyon_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'container_networking' | 18:00 |
| thomasem | o/ | 18:00 |
| thomasem | hello | 18:00 |
| daneyon_ | #topic roll call | 18:00 |
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| thomasem | Thomas Maddox | 18:00 |
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| s3wong | Stephen Wong | 18:00 |
| jjfreric | Jacob Frericks | 18:00 |
| daneyon_ | Hello danehans Daneyon Hansen here | 18:00 |
| yapeng | hi, Yapeng Wu | 18:01 |
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| daneyon_ | lets give a min or 2 for others to join | 18:01 |
| hongbin | o/ | 18:01 |
| daneyon_ | then we will get into our meeting topics | 18:01 |
| SourabhP | hello, Sourabh Patwardhan here | 18:01 |
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| russellb | o/ | 18:02 |
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| daneyon_ | Hello hongbin yapeng jjfrerics3wong Tango|2 thomasem SourabhP sicarie russellb Thanks to everyone for coming together to dive into Magnum networking | 18:02 |
| shelleea007_ | o/ | 18:03 |
| daneyon_ | #topic Review the Native Docker Networking Blueprint | 18:03 |
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| daneyon_ | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/native-docker-network | 18:03 |
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| daneyon_ | Please take a few minutes to review the BP | 18:03 |
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| thomasem | I'm sad that I didn't get the chance to really dig into the etherpad, like I wanted. | 18:03 |
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| daneyon_ | Also please pull up the associated etherpad #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/magnum-native-docker-network | 18:03 |
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| s3wong | daneyon_: so that is using Flannel, or the new SocketPlane based network-plugin from Docker? | 18:04 |
| daneyon_ | My first question to the team is highlighted in lines 5-10 of the etherpad | 18:04 |
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| daneyon_ | s3wong right now the kube bay type uses flannel | 18:04 |
| daneyon_ | thomasem no worries | 18:05 |
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| daneyon_ | i would like to get some feedback on the general language around the existing BP | 18:05 |
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| daneyon_ | In the etherpad I pose the question of looking at the model for magnum networking, as apposed to a specific use case such as docker networking multi-host, flannel, etc.. | 18:06 |
| thomasem | Well, so, the BP suggests a focus on Docker Swarm | 18:06 |
| thomasem | but iirc, we wanted to solve the Neutron integration natively for all bay types | 18:06 |
| thomasem | is that correct? | 18:06 |
| daneyon_ | I think before we start plugging solutions into holes, it would be nice to dev a pluggable network model for Magnum | 18:07 |
| s3wong | daneyon_: I think the etherpad language is better than bp's --- which suggested just using Docker Swarm | 18:07 |
| daneyon_ | thomasem not even so much for neutron integration, but just general networkin integration | 18:07 |
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| thomasem | hmmmmm | 18:07 |
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| daneyon_ | i think a pluggable model that adheres to magnum/docker principles of being simple "batteries included but replacable" | 18:08 |
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| thomasem | I mean, the cookie-cutter solution could be the baytypes favorite overlay network | 18:08 |
| thomasem | yeah | 18:08 |
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| daneyon_ | s3wong and others I think it's important to add your vote on the BP language in the EP | 18:08 |
| s3wong | daneyon_: OK | 18:09 |
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| SourabhP | Is there a preference to tackle swarm or kubernetes first ? | 18:09 |
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| daneyon_ | Please provide your feedback on the BP language in the EP. I would like the group to come to an agreement on defining the BP. | 18:09 |
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| daneyon_ | SourabhP What I suggest in the EP (lines 5-10) is that before we dive into specific integration, we look at the magnum code and see how we can make any container networking implmentation pluggable | 18:10 |
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| daneyon_ | I see this as the first step but I amy ears are open to other uggestions | 18:11 |
| thomasem | daneyon_: So, let me see if I understand correctly. This wording is intended to take it away from just a Docker Swarm thing, and look at networking overall for Magnum. | 18:11 |
| thomasem | Like, we need to have a solution that works for all supported bay types | 18:11 |
| thomasem | even if that means a plugin for each | 18:11 |
| thomasem | but it needs to be consistent behavior | 18:11 |
| thomasem | across the types? | 18:11 |
| daneyon_ | thomasem correct that is what I'm thinking, but I want to hear from the group | 18:11 |
| s3wong | thomasem: that is how I interpreted it | 18:11 |
| daneyon_ | Whatever direction we take, I want to make it a group decision | 18:12 |
| SourabhP | daneyon_: agreed, extensibility is quite important | 18:12 |
| thomasem | Yes | 18:12 |
| thomasem | okay, then I didn't misinterpret. :) | 18:12 |
| thomasem | sweet | 18:12 |
| daneyon_ | SourabhP agreed that extensibility is important, but we need to also make sure ease of use is just as important | 18:12 |
| Tango|2 | is #4 an invitation to the team to add? | 18:13 |
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| daneyon_ | 1 more minute to cast your vote for changing the BP language | 18:13 |
| daneyon_ | Tango|2 yes | 18:13 |
| s3wong | daneyon_: no -1 so far, looking good :-) | 18:13 |
| thomasem | daneyon_: Yeah. I think that's been a downside of a lot of OpenStack things - difficult to use, inconsistent between plugins, etc. | 18:13 |
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| daneyon_ | pls add any add'l content as u see fit | 18:14 |
| thomasem | general risks you take when adding in extensibility and thus creating a maintenance problem. | 18:14 |
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| daneyon_ | do you think we are missing anything? | 18:14 |
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| daneyon_ | my main point of the BP is that we look at the big picture before diving into specific fixes | 18:14 |
| thomasem | yea | 18:15 |
| Tango|2 | +1 on that | 18:15 |
| thomasem | Okey doke. Sorry if I'm diving into the weeds. :P | 18:15 |
| daneyon_ | and that we align with magnum principles, etc.. | 18:15 |
| s3wong | daneyon_: +1 --- hence the original bp language with an emphasis on Swarm should be changed | 18:15 |
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| daneyon_ | #agreed that the Magnum networking BP language change to be more generic | 18:16 |
| daneyon_ | great | 18:16 |
| SourabhP | How about aligning with Neutron? I think it’s important to do that, since that’s the key networking project in OpenStack. | 18:16 |
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| daneyon_ | SourabhP I would like to keep the language general. For neutron or anyt other specifi implementations, I would like to start with the use case and then plug in the right solution for the use case | 18:17 |
| hongbin | SourabhP: What exactly do you mean by aligning with Neutron? | 18:17 |
| * s3wong is wondering how Neutron constructs can fit into Kubernetes | 18:17 | |
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| yapeng | daneyon_: agreed | 18:17 |
| sicarie | +1 s3wong | 18:17 |
| thomasem | s3wong: with a tenant network instead of an overlay network | 18:17 |
| daneyon_ | I would like to understand in detail how/why a Magnum networking backend (i.e. Flannel) has to integrate with Neutron or any others | 18:17 |
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| daneyon_ | Not saying it should'nt... I just think this process helps lead us to good solutions | 18:18 |
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| SourabhP | thomasem: yes, that’s my point | 18:18 |
| thomasem | Well, there's two main whys | 18:18 |
| russellb | it's possible to use Neutron managed tenant networks as your networks for containers instead of creating overlays | 18:18 |
| russellb | that's the main win | 18:18 |
| daneyon_ | I think it's important for us to create strong, detailed use cases | 18:18 |
| thomasem | one is that we're double encapsulating with an overlay networking solution, meaning more network comms overhead | 18:18 |
| russellb | primarily for network performance reasons | 18:18 |
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| daneyon_ | with that point, pls use the use case section in the EP to create use cases | 18:19 |
| thomasem | and two, is that it's not all that friendly trying to talk to other services on the networks that Neutron has. | 18:19 |
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| thomasem | okay | 18:19 |
| daneyon_ | and check back so you can see people's comments on your use cases | 18:19 |
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| daneyon_ | #action everyone to review existing use cases, extend existing use cases, comment on use cases, respond, etc.. | 18:20 |
| daneyon_ | #topic Collaborative brainstorm session in EtherPad | 18:20 |
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| daneyon_ | lets take a few minutes to review the use case section of the EP | 18:20 |
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| daneyon_ | pls also add your name next to your EP color so we know who's who | 18:21 |
| daneyon_ | or you can add your nic next to the lines you add | 18:22 |
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| daneyon_ | In additional to the use cases, pls review the roles associated to the use cases and provide your input/feedback there also | 18:22 |
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| daneyon_ | 5 more minutes for EP collab and then we will get into open discussion back in the orc meeting | 18:33 |
| thomasem | daneyon_: does that make more sense? | 18:34 |
| thomasem | my answer to your comment/question | 18:34 |
| daneyon_ | thomasem +1 on the revised language | 18:34 |
| daneyon_ | and i think that's a great use | 18:35 |
| daneyon_ | case | 18:35 |
| thomasem | great | 18:35 |
| daneyon_ | users will need to migrate apps and the use case you provided is essential for that | 18:35 |
| daneyon_ | additionally, not all app services will be containerized | 18:35 |
| thomasem | yeah, that needs to be expected | 18:36 |
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| thomasem | DBaaS will not be a part of your cluster, however you're probably still going to want to use it | 18:36 |
| thomasem | and talk over your own network, even | 18:36 |
| daneyon_ | containerized services should be able to seemlessly communicate with VM-based apps in Nova, bare metal apps not running in a cloud, other clouds, etc.. | 18:36 |
| thomasem | if possible | 18:36 |
| thomasem | So, we'd need some way to attach your cluster to your network, and allow communication to happen without a bunch of hubub | 18:37 |
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| thomasem | :P consider it merged with 2.4 | 18:38 |
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| sicarie | Has thought been given to security groups or a similar feature? Or will this be delegated to the network? | 18:39 |
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| thomasem | in most cases it's already handled to some degree by the COE | 18:40 |
| thomasem | iiuc | 18:40 |
| daneyon_ | sicarie I have given some thought to it, but it would be good if you could create a use case to support it in the EP | 18:40 |
| thomasem | With Docker you have to expose ports | 18:40 |
| thomasem | and so on | 18:40 |
| daneyon_ | sicarie I think their is a use case that can be created for each of the 3 roles | 18:40 |
| daneyon_ | #topic Open Discussion | 18:41 |
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| daneyon_ | I hope everyone is back from the EP session | 18:41 |
| daneyon_ | Would anyone like to have an open discussion? | 18:41 |
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| thomasem | Well, I unfortunately am booked as usual. I'm expecting another month before I'll be able to devote much time to Magnum networking things. | 18:42 |
| thomasem | =[ | 18:42 |
| daneyon_ | I would.... Pls see line 30 in the EP | 18:42 |
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| hongbin | daneyon_: How about ask ppl to vote on each user cases? | 18:43 |
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| daneyon_ | I would like to establish a date for submitting the spec for review | 18:43 |
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| daneyon_ | hongbin not a bad idea | 18:43 |
| thomasem | meaning the day we have a spec to work off of? | 18:43 |
| s3wong | daneyon_: that would be a general spec, instead of specific spec for Swarm, Kubernetes...etc | 18:43 |
| s3wong | ? | 18:43 |
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| daneyon_ | i was thinking of giving people a day or two to think though use cases | 18:43 |
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| daneyon_ | lets do both | 18:44 |
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| Tango|2 | I think the challenge is to break things down into small chunks and work through them in a common direction. | 18:44 |
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| daneyon_ | everyone pls add comments +1/-1 vote to use cases. Owners of the use case, pls respond to people's questions/comments. | 18:44 |
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| daneyon_ | Tango|2 agreed | 18:45 |
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| daneyon_ | s3wong it will be a general spec. It will support the language we agreed to in lines 5-10 of the EP | 18:46 |
| s3wong | daneyon_: OK --- July 25 is a good goal in this case | 18:46 |
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| daneyon_ | Tango|2 getting back to your point of breaking things down, pls use the proposed change section in the EP to provide details. Pls also make sure the proposed change links back to the use case # | 18:47 |
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| daneyon_ | We have 3 votes on establishing 7/25 as the day to submit the spec | 18:48 |
| daneyon_ | others pls cast your vote | 18:48 |
| thomasem | that's the day before my birthday | 18:48 |
| Tango|2 | daneyon_: got it | 18:48 |
| thomasem | So, it's like we'll be getting me a fresh new spec for my birthday. | 18:49 |
| daneyon_ | thomasem could u ask for a better present ;-) | 18:49 |
| Tango|2 | Tango|2: we can change to 7/26 :) | 18:49 |
| thomasem | I could not. | 18:49 |
| thomasem | LOL | 18:49 |
| daneyon_ | 7/25 it is | 18:50 |
| daneyon_ | #agreed 7/25 is the date to submit the Magnum networking blueprint | 18:50 |
| daneyon_ | any other brief open discussion? | 18:51 |
| daneyon_ | otherwise we'll do a quick review of the action items | 18:51 |
| s3wong | daneyon_: submit spec? | 18:51 |
| daneyon_ | #agreed correction... 7/25 is the date to submit the Magnum networking spec on blueprint | 18:51 |
| Tango|2 | Should we continue the IRC meeting? | 18:52 |
| daneyon_ | #agreed correction #2... 7/25 is the date to submit the Magnum networking spec not blueprint | 18:52 |
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| daneyon_ | Tango|2 good point | 18:52 |
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| daneyon_ | all pls see line 38 in the EP and cast your vote | 18:52 |
| Tango|2 | good for high bandwidth exchange. | 18:53 |
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| s3wong | daneyon_: weekly? | 18:53 |
| daneyon_ | If we agree to continue, we will work though the scheduleing details | 18:53 |
| thomasem | yeah, I guess that's the question | 18:53 |
| thomasem | oh okay | 18:53 |
| thomasem | There's definitely value in focusing on it | 18:54 |
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| thomasem | just not sure we'll have enough material weekly until the spec is finalized and work is underway | 18:54 |
| thomasem | imo | 18:54 |
| daneyon_ | seems like peopple so far would like to keep the mojo flowing | 18:54 |
| daneyon_ | thomasem good point | 18:55 |
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| thomasem | Then again, we could consider each meeting an opportunity to continue dedicated work on the spec. | 18:55 |
| thomasem | So, I'm fine with either, the more I think about it... I think we'll probably wind up debating what things look like and so on. | 18:55 |
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| s3wong | thomasem: +1, that would be the motivation | 18:55 |
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| daneyon_ | If we keep the meetings going, would everyone be cool with taking a 2 week break and getting back together on 7/16 to drive home the spec? | 18:56 |
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| daneyon_ | Or maybe the week earlier? | 18:56 |
| daneyon_ | same time and place | 18:56 |
| thomasem | either works for me, honestly. | 18:56 |
| Tango|2 | Oh right, next week is near the July 4th holiday. | 18:56 |
| s3wong | daneyon_: fine either way | 18:56 |
| yapeng | fine with me. | 18:56 |
| thomasem | I'll just have to carve some time out to meditate on magnum networking. | 18:56 |
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| daneyon_ | we may not be able to get a answer during the meeting, so please use the EP to add your thoughts about continued meetings | 18:57 |
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| daneyon_ | Tango|2 myself and most of the US will be taking time off | 18:57 |
| daneyon_ | thomasem me too | 18:57 |
| SourabhP | 7/16 is good | 18:58 |
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| Tango|2 | +1 on 7/16. I will be off also. | 18:59 |
| daneyon_ | I added time/date info for our next meeting on line 41 of EP | 18:59 |
| thomasem | thanks daneyon_ | 18:59 |
| s3wong | daneyon_: cool | 18:59 |
| daneyon_ | Thanks everyone. Please keep adding to the EP and ping each other on irc | 18:59 |
| s3wong | daneyon_: one minute | 18:59 |
| yapeng | daneyon_:looking good. | 18:59 |
| daneyon_ | until then, talk to u on 7/16 | 18:59 |
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| thomasem | Cheers! | 19:00 |
| daneyon_ | #endmeeting | 19:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 25 19:00:04 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:00 |
| s3wong | bye! | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/container_networking/2015/container_networking.2015-06-25-18.00.html | 19:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/container_networking/2015/container_networking.2015-06-25-18.00.txt | 19:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/container_networking/2015/container_networking.2015-06-25-18.00.log.html | 19:00 |
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| stevemar | o/ | 19:03 |
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| terrylhowe | o/ | 19:03 |
| stevemar | dtroyer: terrylhowe around? | 19:03 |
| lhcheng | o/ | 19:03 |
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| stevemar | 3 aint bad, might be a bit short | 19:03 |
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| stevemar | lhcheng: terrylhowe you guys down for a quick meeting? | 19:04 |
| terrylhowe | sure | 19:04 |
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| lhcheng | sure | 19:04 |
| stevemar | #startmeeting openstackclient | 19:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 25 19:04:50 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is stevemar. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstackclient)" | 19:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstackclient' | 19:04 |
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| lhcheng | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/OpenStackClient | 19:05 |
| stevemar | not sure if we have an agenda, but lets go through the bugs and reviews | 19:05 |
| lhcheng | I don't see anything in the agenda | 19:05 |
| dtroyer | heyo | 19:05 |
| stevemar | also courtesy pings for dhellmann briancurtin and sigmavirus24_awa | 19:05 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 19:05 |
| dtroyer | I didn't write an agenda…and got wrapped up in something else... | 19:05 |
| stevemar | dtroyer: hey hey | 19:05 |
| dtroyer | could we do a quick review of the recent releases? | 19:06 |
| stevemar | dtroyer: glad to have you back, i figured bugs and open reviews for now | 19:06 |
| stevemar | sure | 19:06 |
| stevemar | #topic review recent release | 19:06 |
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| stevemar | re re re | 19:06 |
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| stevemar | dhellmann: was kind enough to cut us a new release while you were away dtroyer | 19:07 |
| stevemar | the reason for it was that jamie was itching to try out a v3 only devstack patch | 19:07 |
| stevemar | good news is, it worked | 19:08 |
| stevemar | had to make a change or two to ec2 credentials | 19:08 |
| stevemar | and bump up the requirements (hence the change in version numbering) | 19:08 |
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| stevemar | https://launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+milestone/1.5.0 | 19:08 |
| stevemar | #link https://launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+milestone/1.5.0 | 19:08 |
| stevemar | the change in requirements was a new KSC version | 19:09 |
| dtroyer | ok, cool, thanks | 19:09 |
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| stevemar | dtroyer: that sufficient for you? | 19:09 |
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| stevemar | 1.4.0 was out when you were here right? | 19:10 |
| dtroyer | no, it didn't make it before I left, but looks like it was basically what was in process | 19:10 |
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| stevemar | dtroyer: you might want to double check that we're not mucking up the release numbering ... | 19:10 |
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| stevemar | oh okay | 19:10 |
| stevemar | 1.4.0 was much bigger | 19:11 |
| dtroyer | what I looked at so far seemed right on | 19:11 |
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| stevemar | https://launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+milestone/m12 | 19:11 |
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| stevemar | i'm a bit confused about how we have a liberty and a trunk stream now, but whatever | 19:12 |
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| stevemar | i can take that up with you offline | 19:12 |
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| stevemar | any other questions about the recent release? | 19:12 |
| dtroyer | that's something Doug does that I also didn't quite grok, but since they're doing the releases now we'll follow along | 19:13 |
| dtroyer | no, that covers it, thanks. I was just wondering if I found all of the relevant bits | 19:13 |
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| stevemar | dtroyer: yeah, theres something different now, but i figured doug knew what he was doing :P | 19:13 |
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| stevemar | #topic open bugs and reviews | 19:14 |
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| stevemar | paste your links here! | 19:14 |
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| stevemar | https://review.openstack.org/123539 | 19:16 |
| stevemar | that one should be merge-able i think | 19:16 |
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| stevemar | ^^ add project parents and children to 'project show' | 19:17 |
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| stevemar | someone volunteered to add support for volume QoS https://review.openstack.org/194922 | 19:17 |
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| stevemar | took a first pass at it, it's looking decent | 19:17 |
| stevemar | and more interest from amey in adding volume support in general: https://review.openstack.org/187480 | 19:19 |
| dhellmann | dtroyer, stevemar : sorry for the delay, distracted in another channel - the milestones are created by the release script using the series and version numbers, so that someone tracking "what is going on in liberty" can find that | 19:19 |
| dhellmann | if we want to predict work that will be done in a future version by number, we can pre-create the milestones using those numbers in the right series | 19:20 |
| dhellmann | the next-$SERIES milestone is renamed if present to the version being released when the script is run, if we only want to predict one release ahead | 19:20 |
| dhellmann | or we could just let the script target bugs and blueprints when they are done and released | 19:20 |
| dhellmann | the goal is to do as little of that by hand as the dev team wants | 19:21 |
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| dtroyer | thanks for the explanation dhellmann. I've only been working one milestone ahead so next-$SERIES works for me | 19:22 |
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| dtroyer | and that mostly for producing release notes | 19:22 |
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| dhellmann | yep, and just make sure it's in the liberty series and everything should work fine | 19:23 |
| stevemar | dtroyer: glad one of us understands it :P | 19:23 |
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| stevemar | terrylhowe also has a bunch of functional tests that need merging | 19:24 |
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| terrylhowe | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188160/ has a bunch of dependencies to it, it would be nice to get that one through | 19:25 |
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| dtroyer | terrylhowe: I plan to start working through those tomorrow | 19:26 |
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| stevemar | same | 19:28 |
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| stevemar | on to bugs | 19:28 |
| stevemar | #topic bugs | 19:28 |
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| stevemar | we have a few new bugs that could use some triaging | 19:29 |
| stevemar | https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+bugs?orderby=-id&start=0 | 19:29 |
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| stevemar | some just need to be updated with a comment saying they are being worked on | 19:30 |
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| stevemar | i'll do a few (like bug 1461817) | 19:30 |
| openstack | bug 1461817 in python-openstackclient "Existing image is updated when call image create" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1461817 | 19:30 |
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| stevemar | anyway, do what you can, no crazy critical bugs atm | 19:31 |
| stevemar | any other comments? | 19:31 |
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| stevemar | bueller | 19:32 |
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| stevemar | #topic anything else? | 19:33 |
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| stevemar | two things from me here, 1) the keystone team will likely be *removing* the keystone CLI in python-keystoneclient v2.0 | 19:34 |
| stevemar | more of an FYI and a yay - but expect comments/questions about using OSC | 19:34 |
| dtroyer | coolio | 19:34 |
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| stevemar | 2) theres a project called heat-translator https://github.com/openstack/heat-translator/ which transforms Heat templates to and from another standard | 19:35 |
| stevemar | they created a plugin for OSC | 19:35 |
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| stevemar | i've been helping them get it started, and got good feedback on the process | 19:36 |
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| stevemar | none of the calls require authN, so it's kinda overkill, but they like the uniformity of calling 'openstack' | 19:36 |
| terrylhowe | I’m pretty much done what I wanted to do with functional tests, so hopefully I get chance to look at the plugin stuff some more soon | 19:36 |
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| dtroyer | the only thing I'd worry about there is object-name collisions with other plugins down the road…otherwise the common interface is nice | 19:37 |
| dtroyer | oh, one thing... | 19:37 |
| stevemar | oh, dtroyer, i pulled something together a few weeks ago for an osc-base | 19:37 |
| stevemar | so plugins can use that | 19:37 |
| dtroyer | nice…cookiecutter? | 19:38 |
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| stevemar | of course | 19:38 |
| stevemar | https://github.com/stevemart/osc-base | 19:38 |
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| dtroyer | I smell a repo-add change in our future… | 19:38 |
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| dtroyer | thanks | 19:38 |
| stevemar | terrylhowe: took a look at it already, havent had the time to incorporate his suggestions, but i'd appreciate some more eyes on it nonetheless | 19:39 |
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| stevemar | dtroyer: your one more thing? | 19:39 |
| dtroyer | I talked to Pieter Kruithof today about doing a UX study, they seem to have some energy to look at CLI and API stuff. | 19:39 |
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| stevemar | sounds good to me | 19:40 |
| dtroyer | we're kicking around the sorts of things we would want to get feedback on, so if you think of something send along to me or raise it here in future meetings | 19:40 |
| stevemar | the help system is still getting complaints | 19:41 |
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| stevemar | as is our defaulting to an interactive shell | 19:41 |
| dtroyer | help needs help, yes. | 19:41 |
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| stevemar | o/w i think folks are happy with the command and the amount of help text | 19:41 |
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| dtroyer | I'm still resistant to changing the default shell as plenty of other commands do that, we're not an outlier by any means | 19:41 |
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| dtroyer | buuuuut..... | 19:42 |
| terrylhowe | I like the interactive shell, although I rarely use it | 19:42 |
| stevemar | whenever i want to see the help and options for a command, i just type it with no args, (thats where my mind goes) | 19:42 |
| dtroyer | once I add a -0 option (think xargs) it'll be much more useful | 19:43 |
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| dtroyer | so yeah, that's one thing to ask about | 19:43 |
| stevemar | and the --help vs -h vs help vs ... | 19:43 |
| stevemar | if you have a command in there, if you dont have a command... | 19:44 |
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| dtroyer | there are different help outputs available, how should we let the user select them? | 19:44 |
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| stevemar | thats piets problem to solve :P | 19:44 |
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| stevemar | thats all from me! | 19:46 |
| dtroyer | nothing else here | 19:47 |
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| stevemar | last chance to speak up, otherwise i'm parking this bus | 19:47 |
| terrylhowe | nother here either | 19:47 |
| stevemar | thanks everyone! | 19:48 |
| stevemar | #endmeeting | 19:48 |
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| lhcheng | thanks! | 19:48 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 25 19:48:05 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2015/openstackclient.2015-06-25-19.04.html | 19:48 |
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| dtroyer | 13 extra minutes! | 19:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2015/openstackclient.2015-06-25-19.04.txt | 19:48 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2015/openstackclient.2015-06-25-19.04.log.html | 19:48 |
| stevemar | dtroyer: enjoy those minutes! | 19:48 |
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| mtreinish | #startmeeting qa | 22:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 25 22:00:59 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mtreinish. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: qa)" | 22:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 22:01 |
| mtreinish | hi, who's here today? | 22:01 |
| gmann | hi | 22:01 |
| mtreinish | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Proposed_Agenda_for_June_25th_2015_.282200_UTC.29 | 22:01 |
| mtreinish | ^^^ today's agenda | 22:01 |
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| mtreinish | jogo, dtroyer, oomichi, masayukig: around? | 22:02 |
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| mtreinish | gmann: heh, it might be just us today | 22:03 |
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| gmann | masayukig: he was working late night in office so he would not be able to join | 22:03 |
| gmann | heh | 22:03 |
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| mtreinish | well, I guess that's a good segway into the first topic | 22:03 |
| gmann | dkranz: on vacation ? | 22:04 |
| mtreinish | #topic Moving 2200 UTC meeting time a little later (mtreinish) | 22:04 |
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| mtreinish | gmann: yep | 22:04 |
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| mtreinish | so this is something we've discussed informally before, but I wanted to get it on the agenda before I took it to the ML | 22:04 |
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| mtreinish | which is attendance for the 2200 UTC meeting is light | 22:04 |
| mtreinish | it's too early for a lot of APAC | 22:05 |
| mtreinish | so I'll start a ML poll and find a better time | 22:05 |
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| gmann | yea | 22:05 |
| jogo | mtreinish: sort of | 22:05 |
| Rockyg | ++ | 22:05 |
| gmann | mtreinish: +++ :) | 22:05 |
| mtreinish | #action mtreinish to start a ML poll to find a better time for the 2200UTC meeting | 22:06 |
| mtreinish | ok, well that settles this topic | 22:06 |
| dtroyer | o/ | 22:07 |
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| mtreinish | let's move on | 22:07 |
| mtreinish | #topic Specs Reviews | 22:07 |
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| mtreinish | does anyone have an open spec review they'd like to bring up? | 22:08 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/184992 | 22:08 |
| mtreinish | I wanted to bring that one up again | 22:08 |
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| mtreinish | someone else needs to +A that, so we can get started on it | 22:08 |
| mtreinish | it depends on some of the CLI stuff being implemented | 22:09 |
| gmann | mtreinish: i have just one concern about admin writable resources tests in more than one places | 22:09 |
| mtreinish | I'll bug dpaterson about that tomorrow | 22:09 |
| gmann | after that m +A | 22:09 |
| mtreinish | gmann: so honestly I'm not sure how much of a concern that really is because we can't control what plugins are doing | 22:10 |
| gmann | because tempest tests + plugin tests will be running on same env and can bring conflict issue | 22:10 |
| mtreinish | that's kinda of the point. If the plugins are doing something wrong (like not protecting against global scope resources) that's a bug in the plugin | 22:10 |
| gmann | mtreinish: yea, that will kinda bug but i agree we can control that manually if anyone does | 22:11 |
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| mtreinish | we're just using oslo.concurrency for locking so they can leverage that too. (although we probably can move the tempest specific fixture which just sets a name to the lib or something) | 22:11 |
| mtreinish | ok, is there anything else on specs? | 22:13 |
| gmann | can we document that somewhere? for plugin writer benefit | 22:13 |
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| mtreinish | gmann: yeah, I plan to have a detailed doc in tempest on the plugin interface and writing plugins once the interface works | 22:14 |
| Rockyg | gmann: ++ a guidelines section or devref for that? | 22:14 |
| gmann | that make sense to me for using locking there if they want | 22:14 |
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| mtreinish | I didn't think that made sense to do before we've even started working on the interface | 22:14 |
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| Rockyg | mtreinish: ++ ;-) | 22:15 |
| gmann | mtreinish: Thanks. m will review that spec. mostly lGTM | 22:15 |
| mtreinish | gmann: ok, cool thanks | 22:15 |
| * afazekas checking the plugin loading costs.. | 22:15 | |
| gmann | mtreinish: +1 after working condition we can write doc | 22:15 |
| mtreinish | afazekas: man you're online late :) | 22:15 |
| gmann | :) | 22:16 |
| mtreinish | afazekas: yeah I'm not sure what the overhead is for stevedore loading, but I think it'll be pretty minimal compared to everything else | 22:16 |
| afazekas | mtreinish: It's meeting time :) | 22:16 |
| afazekas | mtreinish: If it means all python package scan.. | 22:17 |
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| mtreinish | afazekas: I'm pretty sure it uses pkg_resources to do an entry point list | 22:18 |
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| mtreinish | which anyway let's move on, since I don't think there are any other specs to discuss | 22:20 |
| mtreinish | #topic Blueprints | 22:20 |
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| mtreinish | does anyone have an open bp to discuss? | 22:20 |
| mtreinish | or give a status update on | 22:20 |
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| mtreinish | ok I guess not :) | 22:22 |
| mtreinish | let's move on then | 22:22 |
| mtreinish | #topic Devstack | 22:22 |
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| mtreinish | dtroyer: anything exciting in devstack land? | 22:22 |
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| mtreinish | although, like me, you're just coming back | 22:23 |
| mtreinish | so maybe not | 22:23 |
| dtroyer | I've been out for a while, but most exciting I've seen is sc68cal getting more neutron bits working | 22:23 |
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| dtroyer | also, I may have some folk to pick up the neutron re-write… film at eleven | 22:23 |
| mtreinish | heh, ok | 22:24 |
| mtreinish | yeah getting the linux bridge stuff will be cool | 22:25 |
| dtroyer | lastly, there is cleaning up some of the WSGI service implementation going on, keystone merged, I'm working on some Nova bits now | 22:25 |
| mtreinish | dtroyer: and I think everyone is looking forward to you rewriting neutron | 22:25 |
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| mtreinish | dtroyer: is this to have a common way of registering wsgi services? | 22:26 |
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| dtroyer | it changes where the files are loaded from (removed a copy) and makes the apache template files more common | 22:26 |
| mtreinish | ah, ok | 22:26 |
| mtreinish | ok, is there anything else on devstack? | 22:27 |
| dtroyer | not from me | 22:27 |
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| mtreinish | ok, then let's move on | 22:29 |
| mtreinish | #topic Grenade | 22:29 |
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| mtreinish | jogo, dtroyer: anything new for grenade this week? | 22:29 |
| mtreinish | jogo: I know you've been looking at the work required for multi-node grenade right? | 22:29 |
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| jogo | mtreinish: mordred broke it | 22:30 |
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| mtreinish | jogo: heh, good to know | 22:30 |
| jogo | new jobs are set up to run tempest-smoke for nova-net and neutron | 22:30 |
| jogo | to see how viable multinode grenade will be | 22:30 |
| mtreinish | I think keeping mordred away from grenades is probably good for everyone | 22:31 |
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| jogo | and sdague said he will own those jobs | 22:31 |
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| jogo | mordred broke setting of the hostname so both nodes have the same name and nova had a seizure | 22:31 |
| mtreinish | oh, that explains the really bizarre errors | 22:31 |
| jogo | yeah | 22:31 |
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| jogo | and I will not be here for next weeks meeting ... or any more | 22:32 |
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| mtreinish | jogo: tsk tsk | 22:32 |
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| dtroyer | -1 | 22:32 |
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| mtreinish | jogo: what will you do if https://review.openstack.org/194774 actually lands? | 22:33 |
| jogo | mtreinish: we will see ;) | 22:33 |
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| mtreinish | oh wait today was the spec freeze right? | 22:33 |
| mtreinish | I guess dansmith will have to put in an exception | 22:33 |
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| mtreinish | ok, is there anything else on grenade? | 22:34 |
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| jogo | it can use a new core | 22:35 |
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| mtreinish | yes, I've been thinking about that ever since you told me you're leaving | 22:35 |
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| mtreinish | we'll come up with something | 22:36 |
| mtreinish | which might be to just set up robo calls to spam your phone to do reviews | 22:36 |
| * jogo will be on IRC still | 22:36 | |
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| gmann | jogo: +1. just wanted to ask about your presence on IRC | 22:37 |
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| mtreinish | ok, let's move on | 22:38 |
| mtreinish | #topic Bugs | 22:38 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Tempest-bug-report | 22:38 |
| greghaynes | jogo: fix is up for that btw | 22:38 |
| jogo | greghaynes: thanks! | 22:38 |
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| mtreinish | gmann: anything to report on bugs for this week? | 22:39 |
| gmann | nothing special, did triaged this week. | 22:39 |
| mtreinish | anything stand out during that? | 22:39 |
| gmann | cleaned up bugs got to new state due to abandon patches but most of them were fixed by other patches | 22:40 |
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| gmann | mtreinish: regarding https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bug/1370086 | 22:40 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1370086 in tempest "Tempest ignores its custom virtualenv location" [Low,Confirmed] - Assigned to Ghanshyam Mann (ghanshyammann) | 22:40 |
| gmann | mtreinish: it just need sync from oslo.incubator right or we keep tempest version of those scripts? | 22:41 |
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| mtreinish | gmann: those are oslo synced iirc | 22:41 |
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| gmann | mtreinish: i saw Temp st has old version than oslo | 22:43 |
| mtreinish | ok, then we probably just need to sync | 22:45 |
| gmann | mtreinish: ok thanks. I will put that today | 22:45 |
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| dims_ | mtreinish: probablye this first (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189127/) before you sync | 22:45 |
| mtreinish | dims_: heh, good call :) | 22:45 |
| mtreinish | dims_: well except that removes the install venv bit we were talking about | 22:45 |
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| dims_ | mtreinish: ok, then i'll abandon this one | 22:45 |
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| mtreinish | from because the tempest version doesn't quite work | 22:45 |
| dims_ | gotcha | 22:45 |
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| mtreinish | ok is there anything else on bugs? | 22:45 |
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| gmann | nothing else from me | 22:45 |
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| mtreinish | ok, then let's move on | 22:46 |
| mtreinish | #topic Critical Reviews | 22:46 |
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| mtreinish | Does anyone have any reviews they'd like to get extra eyes on? | 22:46 |
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| gmann | mtreinish: neutron client refactor are up | 22:47 |
| gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest+branch:master+topic:refactor_neutron_client,n,z | 22:47 |
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| mtreinish | gmann: oh, cool I'll take a look | 22:47 |
| mtreinish | that should be easy to review | 22:47 |
| gmann | mtreinish: Thanks | 22:48 |
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| mtreinish | gmann: oh, you know the next step after that is to split each resource type up into it's own module | 22:48 |
| gmann | mtreinish: yes | 22:48 |
| gmann | mtreinish: actually current refactor patches will conflict with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186559/ | 22:49 |
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| gmann | mtreinish: m ok to land that first if you want and then ll do rebase the refactor patches | 22:49 |
| mtreinish | gmann: well dougwig wants to wait a bit longer on that, so he'll have to rebase | 22:49 |
| mtreinish | it's just a delete so it'll rebase cleanly | 22:49 |
| gmann | mtreinish: ok | 22:49 |
| gmann | mtreinish: Thanks | 22:50 |
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| mtreinish | ok, are there any other reviews? | 22:50 |
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| mtreinish | ok, then let's open the floor | 22:52 |
| mtreinish | #topic Open Discussion | 22:52 |
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| mtreinish | does anyone have a topic they'd like to discuss that wasn't on the agenda? | 22:52 |
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| mtreinish | ok, then I guess let's end here today | 22:53 |
| mtreinish | thanks everyone | 22:53 |
| gmann | Thansk all | 22:53 |
| mtreinish | #endmeeting | 22:53 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 25 22:53:56 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2015/qa.2015-06-25-22.00.html | 22:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2015/qa.2015-06-25-22.00.txt | 22:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2015/qa.2015-06-25-22.00.log.html | 22:54 |
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| dpaterson | mtreinish: FYI I am going to work on CLI pretty much full-time starting Monday next week. | 23:48 |
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