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mriedemlet's do this14:01
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mriedemjohnthetubaguy: ?14:01
mriedemmeeting hasn't started people14:01
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johnthetubaguy#startmeeting nova14:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Jun 25 14:01:46 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:01
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*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)"14:01
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'nova'14:01
johnthetubaguy#topic Release Status14:02
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johnthetubaguyso liberty-1 is tagged and out there14:02
johnthetubaguytoday is spec freeze day14:02
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johnthetubaguy... that means14:02
bauzasno longer pings about spec reviews ?14:03
johnthetubaguyso the plan for liberty we agreed was...14:03
garykjohnthetubaguy: will there be a spec freeze exception window?14:03
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johnthetubaguy#info at the summit we agreed backlog nova-specs allowed at all times during liberty14:04
johnthetubaguygaryk: its should be documented in the above wiki page14:04
johnthetubaguyas send out to the ML a few times14:04
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johnthetubaguybut the wiki page is not that clear, sadly14:04
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johnthetubaguyso the basic idea is this, raise any exceptions in the meeting next wekk14:05
johnthetubaguyinstead of the specless blueprints, we talk exceptions14:05
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mriedemmeeting or ML? or ML before meeting?14:05
mriedemotherwise the meeting will be nothing but arguing over spec exceptions14:05
johnthetubaguymriedem: ideally in the meeting agenda, before the meeting14:05
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johnthetubaguynow, the theory is, folks will have already voted on the specs one way or the other14:06
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johnthetubaguyso it would just be a final agreement one way or the other14:06
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johnthetubaguybaring in mind, you can just move your spec to a backlog spec and get it merged that way, although the idea is that you are agreeing things for a future release in there14:06
johnthetubaguynow priority specs14:07
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johnthetubaguyI am thinking we given them at least a week or two, nova-drivers feel free to keep merging those ones at will14:07
johnthetubaguy... so lets step back a bit14:07
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ndipanovso priority stuff still can land14:08
johnthetubaguyndipanov: yep14:08
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ndipanovbah copy paste fail14:08
ndipanovnvm I'll chase ppl14:08
bauzasassuming corresponding subteams would appreciate if a proposer could step up during their weekly meetings and discuss on the claim for a priority14:08
johnthetubaguyso why have a freeze at all? the original idea is to move from the big spec reviews to doing coding and code reviews, to stop the distraction14:09
johnthetubaguynow the idea of opening up the backlog specs is to try and soften that14:09
jaypipesjohnthetubaguy: that hasn't worked.14:09
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johnthetubaguyI also hope we move away from approving specs per release, to something thats slightly less brutal14:09
jaypipesjohnthetubaguy: why don't we just do that.14:10
johnthetubaguyjaypipes: we haven't tried backlog specs yet though, right?14:10
jaypipesjohnthetubaguy: it's just process for the sake of process, though.14:10
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mriedemwe don't really have a 6 month release cycle anymore right?14:10
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mriedemnow that every project has it's own versions14:10
edleafeso putting a spec in backlog means agreeing that it won't be released until April 2016, right?14:10
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mriedemwe just release when we want14:10
mriedemusing semver14:10
mnestratovjaypipes: +114:10
ndipanovmriedem, really?14:10
mriedemndipanov: yes14:10
ndipanovI mean in theory14:10
johnthetubaguymriedem: apart from we accidentally agreed to align with everyone this time14:10
ndipanovbut not Nova14:10
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dansmithso, I really don't think it's process for the sake of it14:10
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mriedemjohnthetubaguy: oh14:11
edleafemriedem: are the translation teams on board with that?14:11
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dansmithbecause when people get a spec merged,14:11
ndipanovdansmith, we know you don't and it;s ok14:11
mriedemedleafe: ask ttx?14:11
jaypipesdansmith: the backlog stuff, not specs in general.14:11
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dansmithndipanov: cool, then I won't finish my thought, thanks a lot!14:11
johnthetubaguynow we do need a review of a spec, here and there14:11
mriedemedleafe: i think you get whatever trnaslations are done when you cut the release14:11
ndipanovplease do14:11
johnthetubaguyas things change14:11
johnthetubaguywhich is why we do the per release thing14:11
jaypipesdansmith: in other words, for *this* type of spec, put it here, and for *this* type of spec, put it in this directory, etc...14:11
johnthetubaguyso we still need some way to revisit things14:11
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jaypipesjohnthetubaguy: it's very Gorgon.14:11
* mriedem googles gorgon14:12
edleafemriedem: hmmm... well, ttx was pretty strongly against that out-of-sync translation model last time I discussed it with him14:12
johnthetubaguyso its the reason why, its not why we have to keep doing it that way, we can change for sure14:12
mriedemedleafe: then we should have lock step releases on planned schedules i guess....14:12
mriedemsomeone should make up their mind14:12
johnthetubaguymriedem: so our official plan on releases, I think, is see how ironic goes, and consider changing things next time14:13
edleafemriedem: heh, I tried to make that argument before14:13
jaypipessorry, I meant "Vogon"...14:13
edleafemriedem: got told it wasn't possible because "translations"14:13
bauzasgood bye and thanks for the fish14:13
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garykmriedem: for the me the release process is unclear. say 30 out of 60 patche shave landed - do we release a version?14:13
johnthetubaguyjaypipes: ahhh, now I get you14:13
mriedemgaryk: yeah idk how that works either14:13
johnthetubaguyjaypipes: agreed, I was more meaning thats why we have it, for when we change things14:13
johnthetubaguynow... we could keep this debate going, but I think we should move this to the end of the meeting14:14
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mriedemgaryk: i assume things would have to be completed in a milestone and we'd release on milestones with whatever is done14:14
johnthetubaguythe idea right now is, keep the backlog directory open14:14
johnthetubaguywe define what goes in there here:14:14
johnthetubaguybasically, any part of the spec is allowed to be skipped14:15
johnthetubaguyappart from the problem spec14:15
johnthetubaguyNow the BIG TODO is how do you get your spec out of the backlog, and where does it go14:15
mriedempurgatory :)14:15
ndipanovjohnthetubaguy, well currently (and imho) wrongly ppl use specs as kind of a guarantee thet they can go and code it up14:15
johnthetubaguyI am punting on that for now, and running liberty on the old system14:15
ndipanovthis gives them no such guarantees so I fear very few people will do it14:16
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johnthetubaguyndipanov: this goes back to us needing to take a step back and properly document why we do what we do, and what it really means14:16
ndipanovwithout the "how to get out" bit14:16
johnthetubaguymy point really, is we need a plan to get out of the backlog14:16
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johnthetubaguybut I don't see us getting agreement on that before the midcycle14:17
johnthetubaguywe can talk about proposals there, and follow up on the ML, etc14:17
ndipanovalso I fear it could turn into a graveyard of "I had an idea in the shower last night" specs14:17
johnthetubaguyndipanov: right, we need to define why you would want to bother with a spec backlog14:17
edleafendipanov: so now we need a proper burial process? :)14:17
johnthetubaguyanyways, do get in touch directly if you have idea and concerns14:18
ndipanov2x +2s by nova-wake-cores14:18
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johnthetubaguyI am trying to collect these and draw together a proposal for the midcylce14:18
mriedemjogo always had the runways concept14:18
mriedembut moving on14:18
johnthetubaguymriedem: yeah, I liked that a lot, I think sdague had a lot to do with that as well14:19
johnthetubaguyyeah, lets move on from this14:19
ndipanovit's needless paperwork with several more bottlenecks but otherwise cool14:19
johnthetubaguyit sucks, but we have ideas to move forward from here14:19
ndipanovaka not cool at all14:19
ndipanovbut let's move on14:19
johnthetubaguyndipanov: we have plans to remove them, and we have less that the last release, at least from where I am sat14:20
ndipanovI was talking about runways14:20
ndipanovnow I mean14:20
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mriedemmoving on14:20
ndipanovyes please14:21
johnthetubaguyso turns out we are really bad at commuicating and getting buy in for process ideas14:21
johnthetubaguyI am attempting to fix that14:21
johnthetubaguyplease help with that14:21
johnthetubaguyso the next topic...14:21
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markus_zany reference for that runways concept?14:21
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ndipanovmarkus_z, try to search openstack-dev archive14:21
johnthetubaguymarkus_z: no but, lets move on for now14:21
johnthetubaguyso lots of us agreed to do things at the summit14:22
johnthetubaguysome of that is happening14:22
johnthetubaguysome of that is getting updated above14:22
johnthetubaguygiven the deadline is making no difference, I am moving it to the midcycle where we can review the list14:22
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johnthetubaguyOK so next thing...14:22
markus_zbauzas: thanks14:23
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johnthetubaguymarkus_z: so thats not the full story there, but we should get something written up about that, but I am trying to move on from that, so I am going to stop talking about that now, honest14:23
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mriedembauzas: markus_z: actually
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bauzasmarkus_z: my bad
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bauzasjinxed by mriedem14:24
ndipanovbut do check out the ML thread too14:24
mriedemi am owed one coke14:24
mriedemle coke14:24
johnthetubaguymriedem: indeed you are14:24
bauzasmriedem: le coca cola, please14:24
johnthetubaguyso I am going to change the agdenda from the plan14:24
johnthetubaguy#topic Bugs14:24
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johnthetubaguyso how are we looking with bugs?14:24
bauzasnothing really bad14:25
mriedemneeds reviews for a long standing gate bug ^14:25
mriedemhad a +2 from sdague yesterday morning before i added more tests and a co-author ack14:25
johnthetubaguyah, nice to keep moving forward on that14:25
bauzaswe are just struggling providing more trivial bugs, I guess due to the specs reviewing effort14:26
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johnthetubaguybauzas: providing? you mean the list has run dry?14:26
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bauzasso hopefully it should resume by the next weeks14:26
mriedemi don't see any critical bugs14:26
mriedemseveral high severity14:26
bauzasjohnthetubaguy: yup, we only identified a few of them14:26
mriedemso fix bugs14:26
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ndipanovI'd plug my series -
johnthetubaguythe next few topics are all specs14:27
johnthetubaguy#topic stuck spec reviews14:27
sdaguemriedem: I'll go look at the patch again14:27
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bauzasmriedem: right, none in the client too14:27
ndipanovmriedem, please check it out - it may fix a bunch of problems with volumes14:27
ndipanovand it's been sitting there14:27
scheuran - my spec is stuck - as there's no clear strategy on how to get a new vif_type in due to the ongoing os-vif-library discussions14:28
ndipanovjohnthetubaguy, <- has buy in from jaypipes and dansmith and is kind of a priority14:28
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scheurancan anyone make a statement on how to proceed?14:28
bauzasdidn't we agreed to rename 'stuck' into 'controversial' or whatever else less subject to confusion ?14:28
mriedemscheuran: i +1ed your spec on the assumption that os-vif won't make liberty14:28
johnthetubaguyso the issue is, vmware can't just straight copy the libvirt established settings14:28
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jdurgin <- approach seems agreed upon, just needs final reviews14:28
garykcorrect - the VC has different interfaces for that14:28
johnthetubaguyndipanov: agreed its good, but this is stuck specs14:29
garykthe question is how can we support different mechanism for different drivers to explse things14:29
ndipanovnot stuck so sorry14:29
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mriedemjdurgin: get jbernard to review your rbd snapshots spec, i think jbernard is the tagged rbd triage guy14:29
garyki think that we have digressed - can we get back to the limits if possible?14:29
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jaypipesjdurgin: gah, sorry, I still owe you a review on that :(14:30
sahidhave spec about console here - stuck with a debate about why we should or not continue to support memecached14:30
johnthetubaguygaryk: +114:30
garykjohnthetubaguy: it kind of seems like it is not of interst to anyone - so how can we proceed?14:30
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johnthetubaguyso there are two ways forwards with limits14:30
johnthetubaguysahid: please hold while we deal with the ones on the agenda14:30
johnthetubaguywe just merge the hypervisor specific stuff14:31
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johnthetubaguywe come up with an interface that works across all hypervisors14:31
johnthetubaguynow that later bit is hard, as we know14:31
johnthetubaguymy problem is really with what the end user has to know about14:31
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johnthetubaguyit all boils down to the write up I am trying to do on flavor extra specs, image props, etc, etc14:31
garykmy take is that the admin knows which backend divers she/he has running and they provision accordingly14:32
johnthetubaguywe are in a mess and need to dig oursleves out of a whole there14:32
johnthetubaguyso the admin side is different14:32
johnthetubaguythere are times where we *might* not be able to isolate those folks from differences14:32
johnthetubaguyand well, thats the sad reality14:32
garykand we keep on digging - here is an example of one that was approved for libvirt which is on similar lines and the other drivers may have different ways of exposing -
johnthetubaguybut the problem is when users get to see the differences14:32
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garykyes, i understand that. bt an admin could maybe filter them for displaying to the users according to the volume type seletced14:33
ndipanovjohnthetubaguy, the force detach is pretty stuck14:33
johnthetubaguyOK so what do we do?14:33
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ndipanovonce you're done with this one14:33
johnthetubaguyblock this or not?14:33
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garyki am in favor of not (but i have already thrown my toys out of the cradle today at least once)14:34
jaypipesndipanov: I am super -1 on the force detach thing.14:34
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johnthetubaguygaryk: so given no one is siding, I need to make a call and give you answer on the spec14:34
ndipanovI am superer -1 on it14:34
johnthetubaguyso the force detach thing14:34
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garykjohnthetubaguy: ok, thanks14:34
ndipanovbut would also like to see a solution14:34
johnthetubaguyso the issue I have is that how do we solve that problem otherwise?14:35
johnthetubaguyndipanov: +114:35
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ndipanovI think make detach volume work better14:35
johnthetubaguyin the mean time we have users having to manual edit the DB to fix things up when things go wrong14:35
ndipanovno one has come up with a reason why it can't be done14:35
ndipanovon that spec14:35
ndipanovand some of the proposers agree to that14:35
ndipanovbut I see no movement14:35
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ndipanovso maybe a sumary from you would help14:36
johnthetubaguyndipanov: I can try that14:36
ndipanovas now it seems like a bunch of ppl disagreeing :)14:36
johnthetubaguyndipanov: if we can make detach just work, I am totally fine with that14:36
ndipanovand the proposers don't seem to be updating it14:36
ndipanov(maybe they think it already missed the train)14:36
johnthetubaguywell I prefer that quite a lot14:36
ndipanovme too14:36
ndipanovPaul said there may be some caveats14:37
jaypipesjohnthetubaguy: sorry, I don't care about operators having to temporarily edit the DB tables.14:37
mriedemndipanov: which spec is related to this force detach volume thing?14:37
johnthetubaguynow I was worried we didn't want uses doing the "bad" operation14:37
ndipanovbut never came back14:37
ndipanovmriedem, yes14:37
mriedemndipanov: link?14:37
ndipanovmriedem, sec14:37
jaypipesjohnthetubaguy: we need to fix it properly, not cover it up with a hack that will live on ad infinitum in the REST API14:37
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edleafejaypipes: +114:37
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ndipanovjaypipes, +114:38
ndipanovmriedem, ^^14:38
johnthetubaguyjaypipes: thats certainly my preference, just felt like that wasn't possible14:38
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ndipanovjohnthetubaguy, well no one came back on there to explain why14:38
jaypipesjohnthetubaguy: it is certainly possible. in fact, I don't really know why this needs to be a spec at all... we just need to fix the detach volume operations to be more tolerant of failures/inconsistencies.14:38
ndipanovI think it can be done14:38
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ndipanovbut would require changes to the API14:38
mriedemjaypipes: yeah, sounds like a bug14:38
jaypipesit's a bug fix.\14:38
ndipanovfor the better14:38
johnthetubaguy#action johnthetubaguy to add summary of the force detach debate on the spec14:38
mriedemso we agree that bugs should be fixed? progress!14:39
ndipanovAlternatively move it to the ML14:39
ndipanovbut yeah14:39
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johnthetubaguyso I think we are saying, go back and try fix it without an API change14:39
johnthetubaguywhich is cool14:39
johnthetubaguyOK, so lets keep moving14:39
johnthetubaguy#topic spec-less blueprints14:39
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johnthetubaguynow we have way more BPs on this list than makes sense for 20 mins14:40
andrearosajsut a note, it was a spec because before the discussion we thiought we ahd to make an API change which requires (not sure if it is still true) a spec14:40
ndipanovI brought up a point in response to alaski that14:40
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ndipanovno one gets pinged when you post a BP14:40
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ndipanovso ppl default to a spec14:40
garykcan we discuss the nsxv neutron support?14:40
ndipanovah you mean review them not talk about process..14:40
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garykthat was on the lis14:40
garyklist for the meeting14:40
johnthetubaguyandrearosa: so an API change does need a spec, but lets not go there right now14:41
johnthetubaguyso we have a list14:41
garykthe problem that we have with this is thet neutron driver was released in K and requires 2 nova patches14:41
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garykat the summit i was asked to open a BP.14:41
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thomasemOne of those is the routes_v6 addition to the templating engine for injecting network configuration14:41
mriedemheh, there are 9 specless bp's in the meeting agenda14:41
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thomasemsister patch to this one: basically14:41
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johnthetubaguyso I don't see how this is going to work in the meeting...14:42
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sahidjohnthetubaguy: about this bp the code seems to be close to be ready14:42
johnthetubaguyso looking at the list, do any of these right alarm bells for folks?14:42
mriedemgaryk: there are 2 other specs up for adding new neutron vif type support to nova14:42
mriedemseems the nsx thing would be no different right?14:42
mriedemthey are pretty mechanical though, so it's mostly just docs14:43
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sahidand i guess makes sense to schedule guest according cached images14:43
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garykmriedem: it is different - it is not related to the vif14:43
bauzasjohnthetubaguy: doesn't require a spec IMHO, since it doesn't change the scheduler interface14:43
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garykthe neutron driver needs to know the port index to enable the security groups to work14:43
garykthat information is only available from nova14:43
johnthetubaguybauzas: that was my take, sound like thats good14:43
sahidbauzas: yep it does not require14:43
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bauzasjohnthetubaguy: it just adds a new monitor, and take the metrics info in the weigher14:44
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johnthetubaguyOK I think I am OK with all of these given when I last looked at them14:44
johnthetubaguyas before, if there are big issues, we can go though that in the code reviews14:44
johnthetubaguybut I want to give folks the chance to raise concerns here14:45
johnthetubaguyI would go through them all, but there are way too many for that to be practical14:45
johnthetubaguynow as normal, folks can -2 the patch if it turns out this was all dumb14:45
garykcan we discuss
bauzas,cm doesn't require a spec as well IMHO - again, no change in the cells scheduler if14:46
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johnthetubaguygaryk: we can, what your concern with that one?14:46
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garykjohnthetubaguy: is that it is blocked, and we need to have it for K.14:46
garykthat is we ship a neutron plugin that does not work as it is lacking this patch14:47
garykand it looks like it swill not in L either as it is -214:47
garykat the summit i brough this up and you guys asked me to write a BP.14:47
garykso i am still stuck …14:47
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johnthetubaguygaryk: to get the BP approved you add it to the meeting list14:47
garyki did14:48
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johnthetubaguygaryk: I just said if there are no concerns I will approve all these14:48
garykah, ok. missed and misunderstood that14:48
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johnthetubaguyOk, no worries14:48
johnthetubaguy#topic Open Discussion14:48
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johnthetubaguySo I think we got to the end of the agenda14:49
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mriedemcells voting job14:49
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johnthetubaguymriedem: good question, that seems like we are good to vote now right?14:49
mriedemas in, do we make cells job voting for nova regardless of tempest changes gated on the cells job14:49
mriedemjohnthetubaguy: we need this first
sdaguemriedem: given that nova owns the regex in tree, I think it's fine14:49
bauzasthere was a discussion about regression excedptions14:49
mriedemsdague: we still need to use the regex in nova's tree14:50
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johnthetubaguysdague: mriedem: +114:50
mriedemsdague: shall i harass some -infra people?14:50
sdaguemriedem: yeh14:50
johnthetubaguyI think once we have that patch in, we are good to go14:50
sdagueI'm +2 on that change already14:50
rgerganovjohnthetubaguy: can we discuss
bauzasmelwitt just has to rebase her change to be on top of that14:50
melwittI also have a question for open discussion14:50
andreykurilinand I :)14:51
mriedem-infra has been harassed14:51
rgerganovI put mine in the agenda :)14:51
johnthetubaguymriedem: cool, so I think we are good for the cells thing?14:51
johnthetubaguyrgerganov: sorry, I am loosing track here, you are next14:51
mriedemjohnthetubaguy: once the pieces are in place yes14:51
johnthetubaguymriedem: awesome14:51
johnthetubaguybig thank you for that work, its great to see us finally get those tests running14:52
rgerganovso there is some disagreement on the implementation for the console API change14:52
johnthetubaguyI mean four release late, but its happening, so thats awesome14:52
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rgerganoveven though the spec was approved by the API WG14:52
johnthetubaguyrgerganov: so is this about removing an API in a microversion?14:52
rgerganovjohnthetubaguy: yes14:52
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johnthetubaguyrgerganov: what do you mean by approve by the API WG?14:52
sdaguergerganov: so I think that's fine, users calling an old version will still get the old API14:52
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rgerganovit explicitly says that we remove the old APIs14:53
johnthetubaguyrgerganov: I see you comment in the spec now, sorry14:53
rgerganovso I need to chase Kenichi to remove his -114:53
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johnthetubaguyrgerganov: have you sent an email to kenichi about that?14:54
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rgerganovjohnthetubaguy: no, but I will do if needed14:54
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johnthetubaguyrgerganov: thats a good idea if he is not responding14:54
johnthetubaguyhaving said that, it seems like we have support for that approach here14:54
johnthetubaguysdague: are you good to review and possibly +1 that?14:54
rgerganovok, I just need to make sure the other cores are OK14:54
sdaguejohnthetubaguy: yeh, I just +2ed that patch, I'm fine with that approach14:55
rgerganovsdague: thanks14:55
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sdagueI feel that is one of the reasons we created microversions14:55
johnthetubaguysdague: awesome, thanks, just saw the update14:55
johnthetubaguyrgerganov: thanks for raising that, hopefully that works now14:55
rgerganovjohnthetubaguy: yup, much appreciated!14:55
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scheuranI still have the question if it's possible to get new vif_types approved in liberty? Or if all of them are "stuck" due to ongoing discussions regarding os-vif-library?14:56
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mnestratovjohnthetubaguy: about parallels/virtuozzo driver feature parity changes - we have some small fixes and they don't have enough attention. is is possible to look at them somehow?14:56
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melwittI wanted to make sure all is well for considering the quotas simplification isn't happening this cycle, that this nested quota isn't going to be blocked14:56
johnthetubaguyscheuran: you were first14:56
neiljerramscheuran: +114:56
johnthetubaguymelwitt: I have a todo from the summit on that, I think, or someone does14:56
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mriedemscheuran: in my opinion we shouldn't block new vif type support on the os-vif library proposal for liberty14:57
johnthetubaguymelwitt: we were going to check if it was orthognal, if the quota simplicifation was going to happen, or something like that14:57
snikitinI have a question about instance tags spec Is it possible to merge it in Liberty?14:57
johnthetubaguymriedem: so I think we need to move forward with the VIF situation, and thats probably going to be the only way to make progress14:57
neiljerramI really think that could be approved.  From my reading of comments, no one has any high level objections; just details that could be sorted out during coding.14:57
mriedemi thought we said that for nested quotas, expect things to change massively with the quote refactor14:58
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neiljerram(That's the os-vif-library spec)14:58
mriedemjohnthetubaguy: the os-vif spec came in pretty late thoguh, and can be worked in parallel14:58
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johnthetubaguymriedem: which bit can be worked in parallel again?14:58
mriedemwe're talking about writing a new library and then integrating that in nova and neutron in liberty yet14:58
mriedemi don't see that happening14:59
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johnthetubaguymriedem: oh I see now14:59
mriedemthe people that have new vif types could just get them into nova in liberty the old way14:59
mriedemwhich is fairly mechanical14:59
johnthetubaguyso my take, mostly as we are out of time14:59
scheuranmriedem: +114:59
johnthetubaguymriedem: OK, thats cool14:59
neiljerramI disagree that we couldn't get this done in L14:59
johnthetubaguyif we don't *need* to block people, we really really should not15:00
neiljerramLots of folk interested in helping with this.15:00
edleafejohnthetubaguy: yeah - let' em try for L15:00
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johnthetubaguyneiljerram: I think we are saying lets try to do it in parallel15:00
mriedemneiljerram: i'm saying, start working on it15:00
edleafeif they don't make it, so be it.15:00
mriedemneiljerram: but don't block others for it15:00
scheuranjohnthetubaguy: ok, meaning I could get a vif_type in in the old way for Liberty?15:00
johnthetubaguyscheuran: yes15:00
scheuranjohnthetubaguy: great!15:00
johnthetubaguyOK, seems we are out of time15:00
neiljerramThat works for me15:00
johnthetubaguythanks for turning up15:00
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gordccourtesy ping: jd__, sileht, DinaBelova,15:03
gordclet's get started15:03
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gordc#topic Blueprint checkpoint (
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gordcso we released liberty-1 a few days ago15:04
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gordcwe got a few stuff in15:05
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gordcwe have a lot more.15:05
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gordci think only jason added a expected completion date for his b15:05
gordci'm hoping others can add their targets to either etherpad or to blueprints.launchpad.net15:06
gordcany blockers so far?15:06
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pradgordc, i should have something reviewable on declarative stuff next week i think15:06
pradmaking good progress15:07
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_nadya_gordc: do we have any blockers for InfluxDB driver in Gnocchi?15:07
gordcprad: awesome!15:07
gordc_nadya_: i believe we are still waiting on a release with fixes? jd__ ?15:07
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_nadya_gordc: IlyaT is working on new version but the first version is still on review15:07
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gordc_nadya_: i see. can you paste link? i'll try to take a look.15:08
jd__gordc: last time I checked yeah but 0.9 is out, now we need to check if the python lib is updated15:08
_nadya_gordc: I'm asking because 'asynchrony in the API' item in etherpad15:08
gordcjd__: cool cool15:08
jd__I don't know if someone is actively working on it for now, last person was sileht but he's on PTO15:08
gordc#action check influxdb python lib updated yet15:09
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llu-laptopspeaking of declarative stuff, need review on the spec
_nadya_jd__: Ilya T made a lot of investigations15:09
gordcjd__: ah i see, that'd explain why he doesn't answer.15:09
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jd___nadya_: gordc: the API is already async, we merged that change last week15:09
gordcllu-laptop: kk, will look today15:09
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llu-laptopgordc: thx15:09
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gordcjd__: yep. good to know15:10
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_nadya_jd__: I'm afraid we may do the same work with sileht... How to prevent it? Only keeping in touch with him?15:10
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jd___nadya_: same work?15:11
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jd___nadya_: if you're talking about InfluxDB it's out there at
gordcjd__: you know when he's back? maybe ilya can take it over? i assume sileht  is busy with oslo.messaging work15:12
_nadya_jd__: yep, we are working on the version with tags now15:12
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jd__gordc: next week I think15:12
gordcjd__: kk15:13
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jd___nadya_: not sure what it means but ok :)15:13
gordc_nadya_: i'd suggest you guys work off that patch, we can sync up with sileht when he returns15:13
_nadya_jd__: hehe :) it's a key feature on 0.9 Influx15:13
jd___nadya_: yeah but I'm not sure what you are doing in your corner but ok :)15:14
gordc_nadya_: i'm pretty sure sileht has other bigger items on his plate than influx so it shouldn't be an issue for one of you to grab it but we can confirm next week15:14
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_nadya_gordc: ok!15:14
gordc_nadya_: cool cool15:14
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gordc#action checkpoint with sileht on influxdb driver to see if ilya can jump in15:15
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gordci guess aside from that. here's the list of specs targeting liberty:
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gordcthere's a few open spec reviews still so any cores with time, please jump in15:16
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gordcanything else on liberty related stuff?15:16
jd__the aodh split is currently blocked by the TC I think15:16
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cdentIs fabio here today?15:16
jd__or people making weeks to approve a change to openstack/governance, whoever that is15:16
gordccdent: hasn't seen fabiog in a very long time15:16
cdentI'll take over that spec then15:17
gordcjd__: was there a blocking comment or just no one looking at it?15:17
cdent(riding it in to acceptance)15:17
gordccdent: collection split?15:17
* cdent nods15:17
gordccdent: yeah, he agreed last i had contact with him. go for it.15:18
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idegtiarov_gordc, what about this bp could it be approved for liberty15:18
gordcjd__: i'll follow up with aodh stuff15:19
gordc#action check status of aodh lib15:19
jd__gordc: no one looking15:19
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gordcidegtiarov_: i'll try to get around to that spec today. i think i had questions about it last time. i think it overlapped with alarm stuff but i might be talking about another bp15:20
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idegtiarov_gordc, we've discussed spec with llu and it doesn't overlap with alarms any more15:21
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gordcidegtiarov_: cool cool15:21
gordcwill check later.15:22
idegtiarov_gordc, thanks15:22
llu-laptopgordc: yeah, that spec is only about event transformer15:22
llu-laptoptimeout will be another spec15:22
gordcllu-laptop: i see. i need to give it another read i think15:22
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gordcany other liberty stuff?15:23
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gordcon to the next15:24
gordc#topic Midcycle Meetup15:24
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idegtiarov_here new bp for timeout alarms from nitification
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gordcidegtiarov_: oh ok. same topic. i'll take a glance later15:24
gordcsomeone propose the midcycle topic?15:25
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pradnot me, but here is the
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pradseems like July 6th Monday seems like has the most votes15:25
gordcprad: did we discuss how this was actually going to work?15:26
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eglynnprad: is there going to be a "standardized" timezone for the day?15:26
gordcapologies for being away last week when original meetup was cancelled15:26
pradyea we wanted to take a vote first and see if the dates match everyones availability15:27
pradyea timezones is key, we can discuss what works best15:27
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eglynnagreed ... what TZ do they use in the Azores? :)15:28
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_nadya_how many hours do we need, btw? What do you think?15:29
cdentthere's an etherpad with the proposed topics, that should help us decide on how much time:15:29
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gordc_nadya_: that's why i asked if we figured out how we were doing this. me and llu are in complete opposite tz15:29
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gordci guess the idea is to tackle one topic a day? and drop in when you can?15:30
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cdentis it? dunno15:31
* gordc is completely guessing.15:31
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gordcdon't know what was decided last week.15:31
cdentWe were going to talk about it more this week :)15:31
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_nadya_It's the problem to set up even one session :) One per topic seems impossible15:31
cdentactually, no, there was supposed to be some meandering discussion and some additions to the etherpad15:31
gordccdent: ah i see. anyone do a virtual meet up before?15:31
cdentyeah sure15:32
ildikovI think last week we said that people should be available to be able to discuss topics or smth like not much more15:32
cdentYou decide and agenda in advance, you put some time bounds on it, and people show up for what they care about. If people don't show up they eithe don't care or didn't pay attention during the agenda creation15:32
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gordccdent: reason i put daily bounds was because of tz diff15:33
gordcyou euro folks lucked out being smack dab in middle15:33
* cdent nods15:34
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gordci don't have any real suggestions. i'm sort hoping someone's done a virtual meetup before but doesn't seem like it.15:35
pradgordc, do we need a whole day? or just half a day that can atleast overlap decently with most timezones?15:35
cdentthe "yeah sure" above was me saying I had15:35
gordci think we should have some agenda though... else it'll just be a normal day in ceilometer channel15:35
cdentwith timezones and everything15:35
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gordccdent: ah i see.15:35
gordccdent: i will let you dictate. :)15:36
_nadya_I think that every topic should have a leader who asks the concrete questions15:36
cdentgood luck with that, you won't like it15:36
pradyea if we can have an agenda with topics and approximate times, people can hop on and off as convenient to them?15:36
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cdentIt is _critical_ to follow the time boundaries15:36
pradand we do something like the design summit where people vote who wants to attend what15:36
cdentwe get that for free at somewhere like the design summit because of rooms and such15:36
cdentbut virtual you have to have discipline15:37
pradbased on the popular vote we schedule the time?15:37
cdentmakes sense15:37
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gordcprad: i think the concern i had was that some people will end up with a lot of hours on a topic, and others will have 1hr.15:37
pradand see what TZ's overlap15:37
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cdentgordc: that's an unsolvable problem. An in person meetups solves it by having people shift their time by way of geography. There are other ways to shift time.15:37
gordci guess we can just start with a list of topics and go from there.15:37
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pradgordc, unless we have fixed time slots.. anything out of that discuss on the channel15:38
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cdentWe can try our best to accomodate but only if people actively express (on the etherpad what they are interested in and the timezones they are able to hit)15:38
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cdentHow about this: Prad and I will make an email and send it out to osd [ceilometer]?15:38
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cdentoutlining the next steps15:38
gordccdent: i will trust you on this -- i will provide feedback afterwards.lol15:38
_nadya_cdent: +1. A lot of work should be done _before_15:39
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ildikovcdent: +115:39
cdent_nadya_: yes that's very very important15:39
gordcthat works for me.15:39
cdentprad, find me when you come to life tomorrow and we'll make it go? (I'm about to expire today)15:39
gordc#action cdent will take lead on planning virt midcycle15:40
cdentcool, thanks15:40
gordccdent: there's your bus15:40
_nadya_I think I can spend some time on planning too15:40
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gordc_nadya_: cool cool. more the better.15:41
cdentcool _nadya_ we'll probably have some etherpad(s) started tomorrow, will let you know15:41
_nadya_cdent: feel free to ping me15:41
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* cdent is not licensed to drive a bus15:41
gordccdent: it's ok, i just pushed you under it.15:41
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gordcok. so december midcycle?15:43
* gordc just noticed time15:43
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gordcnot sure who added this either... but i'm guessing it's too early to plan?15:44
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cdentthat may be left over from last week15:44
gordcmaybe we should have the discussion right before summit?15:44
gordccdent: kk. on to the next.15:44
cdentbut jason is trying to plan ahead because of the chaos of the two prior cycle's mid-cycles15:44
cdentand he's got approval from his employer to host in dublin15:45
cdentand some dollar for snacks and such15:45
gordccdent: kk. we can revisit closer to summit i think.15:45
gordc#topic ceilometer splits, delete or deprecate old code? impact on downstream?15:45
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_nadya_so much discussions about discussions :)15:45
gordccdent: go15:45
cdentI believe this is also left over from last week, and we didn't make any progress then, andI think decided that it was good (perhaps even priority) mid-cycle topic15:46
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gordccdent: kk15:46
cdentbasically the topic captures the whole thing and we need to decide and soon, due to the level of work it will cause us15:46
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* gordc will reread last weeks meeting logs i guess15:47
gordcno strong opinion from me.15:47
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gordc#topic recurring: ceilometerclient release?15:48
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gordcit was released yesterday. next15:48
gordc#topic recurring: Gnocchi status15:48
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gordcjd__: anything to add to what was mentioned before?15:48
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gordc#topic Open discussion15:49
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cdentI made gnocchi work on /metric instead of :8041/ and doing ceilometer now too15:50
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gordccdent: what will ceilometer be under? meter/event?15:50
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cdentwhatever we like, but the pattern seems to be /telemetry15:51
cdentit's the service id in keystone15:51
gordctelemetry/metric, telemetry/meter, telemetry/event?15:51
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gordcor is gnocchi going completely on it's own?15:51
gordccdent: i see..15:52
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cdentthis is, apparently, a long term goal from the people who make long term goals15:52
cdentwhen I asked where these goals were written down I was told they just exist in the ether15:52
* cdent shrugs15:52
cdentit's a good idea anyway15:52
gordcdon't ask questions15:52
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_nadya_may I ask about my suggestion to verify meters? . Idea is to add is_valid during sample creation15:53
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ildikovI think if we have an is_valid check, then it should be articulated to other projects to sync up on that15:54
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gordcildikov: i don't think it extends beyond ceilometer15:54
gordcsamples/events are ceilometer concepts, notifications (and it's schema-less madness) is openstack15:55
_nadya_yep, we check our Sample's fields actually15:55
ildikovgordc: if we drop samples based on it, then it does IMHO15:55
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_nadya_but how process notification without resource_id?15:56
gordcildikov: sure. but how would you enforce that?15:56
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gordcildikov: if something doesn't have a resource_id, a is_valid check would help. it's a bug in that project (or a notification never intended for ceilometer)15:57
gordcwouldn't help*15:57
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_nadya_ok, let's continue in review, I need to add a proper test. gordc has removed the file I used :)15:58
gordc_nadya_: :)15:59
gordcwhich file?15:59
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_nadya_gordc: yep. Anyway, it was a mistake to use it15:59
gordcyeah we can discuss over at os-ceilometer15:59
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gordcclosing this for now. thanks for attending15:59
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sridhar_rambobh_: hi16:00
s3wongI guess it is time to start meeting16:01
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s3wong#startmeeting tacker16:01
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s3wong#chair sridhar_ram16:01
openstackCurrent chairs: s3wong sridhar_ram16:01
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s3wongagenda: #link
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s3wong#topic announcements16:02
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s3wongWe are helping Comcast doing preliminary installation of Tacker in their lab tonight16:03
s3wong10pm PDT16:03
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s3wonganyone interested to join?16:04
Rajkumar_Hi All  - This Raj and going to work with Stephen for tacker installation in our Comcast setup16:04
s3wongRajkumar_: hello16:04
sridhar_ramRajkumar_: hi, glad you folks are trying out16:04
Rajkumar_I hope Sridhar also joining with us. Just sent invite to them as well16:05
bobh_s3wong: I'm interested but that's pretty late here - I'll join if I'm still up16:05
s3wongRajkumar_: we will definitely try our best to make installation easy for you guys16:05
s3wongbobh_: sure, her is the info16:05
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sridhar_ramRajkumar_: yes, I'm planning to join16:05
Rajkumar_Thanks Stephen. We're looking forward to it.16:05
sridhar_rams3wong: that's the next item in the agenda!16:05
s3wong#info #link
bobh_s3wong: thx16:06
s3wong#info Meeting number 868 735 03116:06
Rajkumar_Thanks Sridhar.16:06
s3wong#info Meeting password: 123  (because no one will ever guess that one if I didn't tell)16:06
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s3wongAny other announcements?16:06
sridhar_ramannouncement wise .. it is july 4th weekend next week. Should we plan to skip the mtg for next week ?16:06
s3wongsridhar_ram: +116:07
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sridhar_ramhow abt this - anyone definitely want one next week ?16:07
s3wongEveryone OK with skipping the meeting next week?16:07
s3wong... going once16:08
s3wong... going twice16:08
vishwanathjok to skip16:08
s3wong... SOLD16:08
s3wong#info there will be no Tacker meeting next Thurs; meeting will resume on July 9th16:09
s3wongwe can still find each other on #tacker if you want to raise anything16:09
s3wongany other announcement?16:09
s3wongOK --- moving on16:10
s3wong#topic Ease of installation16:10
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s3wongsubtopic #1: devstack16:10
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sripriyaThe new devstack repo is at:
s3wongso two pieces: a sample local.conf, and devstack plugin16:11
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sridhar_ramnote, this is an interim step until we have tacker devstack integration ..16:11
s3wongI took the local.conf from the link sripriya gave above, and replace some IP addresses to localhost16:11
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s3wongso this works, and I will send out a patch to get folks started16:12
s3wongfor (slightly) longer term, we will do devstack plugin16:12
s3wongsripriya has volunteered to do this16:12
sridhar_rams3wong: I think we need a lot simpler local.conf16:12
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s3wongsripriya: any update?16:12
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sripriyas3wong: its in a good progress16:13
sridhar_ramwhat we have in the repo is something some yamahata's dev environment16:13
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s3wongsridhar_ram: agreed --- I wonder if all those MY_HOST == SERVICE_HOST thing is necessary, or checking for neutron_legacy and so on16:13
sripriyai will be trying to submit patchset soon16:13
sripriyathis will be on devstack kilo release16:13
s3wongsripriya: very good!16:13
sripriyayes i will remove the unwanted lines from local.conf16:13
sridhar_rams3wong: in fact I use a ridiculously simple local.conf to successfully install tacker16:13
sripriyasridhar_ram: +116:14
sridhar_ramsripriya: I can share mine w/ you to refer16:14
s3wongsridhar_ram: yeah, I looked at local.conf.sample from networking-ovn, it is drop dead simple16:14
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sripriyasridhar_ram: thanks16:14
s3wongsridhar_ram: I can definitely resolve it down to tens of lines as a sample16:15
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sridhar_ramI also have an install.rst .. it is time to post it in our doc/devref ..16:15
sridhar_ramI shared it w/ few folks from ALU16:15
s3wongsridhar_ram: OK, cool16:15
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s3wonganything else on devstack?16:16
sridhar_ramI raised this
openstackLaunchpad bug 1468568 in tacker "Tacker Install: automatically install tacker-horizon as part of devstack" [Medium,New]16:16
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sridhar_ramtacker devstack should also enable required horizon dashboard automatically16:17
s3wongsridhar_ram: that's right. Today you still have to do this manually16:17
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sridhar_ramWe should make tacker install ridiculously simple :)16:17
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sridhar_ramwe can plan this bug after / along w/ the tacker-devstack support16:18
s3wongsridhar_ram, sripriya, vishwanathj: is one of you going to take on this bug?16:18
sripriyas3wong: i will take care of this as part of plugin development16:18
sripriyasridhar_ram: you can assign it to me16:19
s3wongsripriya: thanks!16:19
sridhar_ramsripriya: sure, will do. thanks16:19
s3wonganything else on devstack?16:19
s3wongMoving on16:19
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s3wong#info subtopic #2: heat patch16:20
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sridhar_ramAFAIK the patch is close to being merged16:20
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s3wongapparently it was approved
s3wongdidn't pass Jenkins though16:20
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s3wongonce it passes Jenkins it should be merged16:21
s3wongseems like Yalei Wang has taken over the patch from yamahata16:21
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sridhar_ramyep. thanks to yamahata !16:21
s3wonggreat stuff indeed16:22
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s3wongalthough it doesn't seem like it will be back ported to stable/kilo16:22
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s3wongso for our initial devstack scripts, we may still need to include HEAT_BRANCH variable setting16:23
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s3wongany other question on Heat patch?16:23
sridhar_rams3wong: that another topic .. we should gently move towards master !16:23
s3wongsridhar_ram: we should16:23
s3wongsridhar_ram: but NOT before we made tacker installation ridiculously simple16:24
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s3wongsridhar_ram: we should go from a base that we KNOW works to get the various ease of installation items done, then we can move toward master16:24
sridhar_rams3wong: absolutely16:24
sridhar_rammoving to master is non-trivial effort16:24
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s3wongsridhar_ram: indeed --- I don't expect that to be a simple change in local.conf and everything works :-)16:25
s3wongalright, moving on16:25
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s3wong#info subtopic #3: installation docs16:25
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s3wongso Rajkumar_ has mentioned that we badly lacked installation documentation16:26
s3wongI say we are guilty as charged16:26
sridhar_rams3wong: I'll take an AI to upload usage.rst to doc/devref16:26
s3wongsridhar_ram: cool, thanks!16:26
s3wong#action sridhar_ram to upload usage.rst to doc/devref16:27
Rajkumar_It would be grateful to have installation document like other openstack services.16:27
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sridhar_ramRajkumar_: we will get there...16:27
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s3wongRajkumar_, sridhar_ram: I have to be honest, we really haven't installed Tacker outside of devstack16:28
sridhar_ramRajkumar_: in fact once your team is confortable w/ Tacker .. it will be great if you can join to help out16:28
Rajkumar_if the installation goes well tonight then we can document the same and share it16:28
s3wongRajkumar_, sridhar_ram: so as one of the side benefit of us supporting Comcast to install Tacker, we can also be documenting the steps as we go, and have a true installation document as a result16:28
sridhar_rams3wong: oh yeah, I meant the installation doc only in the context of devstack!16:29
s3wongRajkumar_: +116:29
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s3wongRajkumar_: hopefully we will make some good progress tonight!16:29
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Rajkumar_Thanks Stephen. looking forward to it.16:29
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Rajkumar_BTW, We've issues in tacker installation of devstack16:30
Rajkumar_I already mailed you guys with issues description and logs16:30
s3wongRajkumar_: that should be the first item we look to tackle tonight right off the bat16:30
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Rajkumar_oslo.utils version across glance & keystone services16:31
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Rajkumar_Ok. Thank you.16:31
s3wongRajkumar_: you are using devstack branch stable/kilo, right?16:32
sridhar_ramRajkumar_: sripriya has an handle on this issue. We sure can help to unblock you folks16:32
Rajkumar_I used stable/kilo16:33
s3wongRajkumar_: hmm... OK... need to take a look at your local.conf to see why oslo versions between glance and keystone do not agree...16:33
s3wonganything, will do that offline16:34
s3wonganything else on documentation?16:34
Rajkumar_Sripriya is also looped in mail with logs.16:34
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s3wongRajkumar_: yes16:35
s3wongalright, moving on to the next topic16:35
s3wong#topic Bugs16:35
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s3wongsridhar_ram: any bugs you want to highlight?16:35
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sridhar_ramI went ahead and opened bugs for the issues I've seen so that we have a handle on them16:36
sridhar_ramreq #1 to the team: please open bugs for the issues you see!16:36
bobh_sridhar_ram: If any of the bugs are low-hanging/fairly easy I would like to take on one or two to start to get to know the codebase better16:37
sridhar_ramit will help to prioritize beyond what is capable using Action Items in this meeting16:37
sridhar_rambobh_: awesome16:37
sridhar_ramthat was my req#2 :)16:37
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sridhar_ramI've marked few of the bugs as low hanging fruit for you to pick16:38
bobh_sridhar_ram:  Thanks - I'll take a look16:38
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s3wongsridhar_ram: you want to list them on the meeting channel?16:38
sridhar_ramFolks who are new to Tacker this is an awesome way to understand and contribute back16:38
sridhar_ramsure, here are few ..16:38
openstackLaunchpad bug 1468560 in tacker "Tacker horizon - Delete VNFD doesn't take effect" [Low,New]16:39
openstackLaunchpad bug 1468563 in tacker "Tacker horizon - Terminate VNF doesn't take effect" [Low,New]16:39
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sridhar_rameven this one should be relatively easy..16:39
openstackLaunchpad bug 1468565 in tacker "Tacker: Error during VNF create returns internal error" [Low,New]16:39
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sridhar_ramPlease look at for new bugs and take it up !16:40
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s3wongsridhar_ram: good QA effort :-)16:40
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sridhar_ramI've marked the ones related to installation with higher priority16:41
sridhar_rams3wong: thanks!16:41
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s3wongany other bugs related things we want to discuss?16:42
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s3wongwe will check on bug progress in the next meeting (which is two weeks from now)16:42
s3wonghopefully some of them will be fixed by then16:43
sridhar_rams3wong: that's it for now, looking forward for patchset for these bugs!16:43
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s3wongmoving on16:43
s3wong#topic Health Monitoring16:43
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s3wongbobh_, prashantD: anything to update on that front?16:43
s3wongspec timeline, more specifically?16:44
bobh_We were finally able to get monasca installed locally so we can start looking at that16:44
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prashantDno update on the spec. before updating the spec we were discussing about putting usecase document16:44
bobh_I will have some time next week to start writing a spec.  dgollub suggested a usecasespec for the vtelco-wg so I might combine the two16:44
s3wongbobh_: OK. Sounds good16:45
bobh_I think we need to define the different layers of monitoring and decide which ones we want to tacke=le16:45
s3wongbobh_: particularly as it pertains to Liberty timeline16:45
sridhar_rambobh_: prashantD: please keep the current mgmt_driver framework already in place while thinking about monitoring plugin framework16:45
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sridhar_ramhealth / KPI monitoring is key for Tacker ..16:46
s3wongbobh_, prashantD: keep in mind that the spec is only for Liberty, so we need to take that into account when considering the scope16:46
s3wongmonitoring is a big area, and will likely evolve over multiple cycles16:46
bobh_s3wong: OK - maybe the spec will be a small subset of what I write for the vtelco-wg usecase16:46
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sridhar_ramI'd like to see something, even a simple framework in place for Liberty16:46
s3wongbobh_: +116:46
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bobh_sridhar_ram: ok, I should have something basic by the next meeting16:47
sridhar_rambobh_: we can use the spec review to phase this16:47
sridhar_rambobh_: great16:47
s3wongbobh_, prashantD: please work together to finalize the scope of what can be done within the cycle16:47
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bobh_prashantD: I'll send you a draft next week16:48
prashantDbobh_ : sure, thanx16:48
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bobh_prashantD: sorry, I meant updates to the spec you started16:48
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s3wonglooking forward to reading you guys' spec soon16:49
s3wongmoving on16:49
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s3wong#topic status update16:50
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s3wongaction items from last week16:50
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s3wongdgollub: setting up meeting with serg_melikyan for Murano extension point?16:51
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s3wongapparently a meeting hasn't been scheduled :-)16:52
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s3wongand TBH it isn't very urgent, so it is fine16:52
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sridhar_rams3wong: +116:52
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s3wongthe other two AIs we already discussed (local.conf.sample and devstack plugin), and they are progressing16:53
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s3wonggoing back to the meeting before last week, one AI is for sridhar_ram16:53
s3wongfunctional tests?16:53
sridhar_ramyes, I was about to bring it... even though I didn't make much progress ;-)16:53
dgollubs3wong: sorry, didn't had time to setup a meeting yet. I try to do something for next week.16:53
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s3wongsridhar_ram: to be fair, my AI of unit test has also been no progress :-)16:54
s3wongdgollub: NP. Thanks!16:54
sridhar_ramI'll have an update .. at least the effort + plan (and may be more) to get there by our next meeting16:54
s3wongsridhar_ram: yeah --- you should work during ID4 weekend :-)16:55
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sridhar_rams3wong: yeah, when things are quite .. without any meetings16:56
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s3wongsridhar_ram: yeah, for me too. When my day job is not on my way :-)16:57
s3wongalright, we are onetime!16:57
s3wong* on time16:57
s3wong#topic Open Discussion16:57
sridhar_ramwell.. this is turning out to be my day job ;-)16:57
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s3wonganything anyone wants to discuss?16:57
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s3wongalright, finish TWO whole minutes early!16:58
s3wongThanks everyone16:58
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sridhar_ramthanks everyone!16:58
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s3wongtalk to you guys in two weeks, or on #tacker16:58
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daneyon_#start container-networking18:00
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daneyon_#topic roll call18:00
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thomasemThomas Maddox18:00
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Tango|2Ton Ngo18:00
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s3wongStephen Wong18:00
jjfrericJacob Frericks18:00
daneyon_Hello danehans Daneyon Hansen here18:00
yapenghi, Yapeng Wu18:01
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daneyon_lets give a min or 2 for others to join18:01
daneyon_then we will get into our meeting topics18:01
SourabhPhello, Sourabh Patwardhan here18:01
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daneyon_Hello hongbin yapeng jjfrerics3wong Tango|2 thomasem SourabhP sicarie russellb Thanks to everyone for coming together to dive into Magnum networking18:02
daneyon_#topic Review the Native Docker Networking Blueprint18:03
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daneyon_Please take a few minutes to review the BP18:03
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thomasemI'm sad that I didn't get the chance to really dig into the etherpad, like I wanted.18:03
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daneyon_Also please pull up the associated etherpad #link
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s3wongdaneyon_: so that is using Flannel, or the new SocketPlane based network-plugin from Docker?18:04
daneyon_My first question to the team is highlighted in lines 5-10 of the etherpad18:04
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daneyon_s3wong right now the kube bay type uses flannel18:04
daneyon_thomasem no worries18:05
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daneyon_i would like to get some feedback on the general language around the existing BP18:05
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daneyon_In the etherpad I pose the question of looking at the model for magnum networking, as apposed to a specific use case such as docker networking multi-host, flannel, etc..18:06
thomasemWell, so, the BP suggests a focus on Docker Swarm18:06
thomasembut iirc, we wanted to solve the Neutron integration natively for all bay types18:06
thomasemis that correct?18:06
daneyon_I think before we start plugging solutions into holes, it would be nice to dev a pluggable network model for Magnum18:07
s3wongdaneyon_: I think the etherpad language is better than bp's --- which suggested just using Docker Swarm18:07
daneyon_thomasem not even so much for neutron integration, but just general networkin integration18:07
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daneyon_i think a pluggable model that adheres to magnum/docker principles of being simple "batteries included but replacable"18:08
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thomasemI mean, the cookie-cutter solution could be the baytypes favorite overlay network18:08
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daneyon_s3wong and others I think it's important to add your vote on the BP language in the EP18:08
s3wongdaneyon_: OK18:09
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SourabhPIs there a preference to tackle swarm or kubernetes first ?18:09
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daneyon_Please provide your feedback on the BP language in the EP. I would like the group to come to an agreement on defining the BP.18:09
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daneyon_SourabhP What I suggest in the EP (lines 5-10) is that before we dive into specific integration, we look at the magnum code and see how we can make any container networking implmentation pluggable18:10
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daneyon_I see this as the first step but I amy ears are open to other uggestions18:11
thomasemdaneyon_: So, let me see if I understand correctly. This wording is intended to take it away from just a Docker Swarm thing, and look at networking overall for Magnum.18:11
thomasemLike, we need to have a solution that works for all supported bay types18:11
thomasemeven if that means a plugin for each18:11
thomasembut it needs to be consistent behavior18:11
thomasemacross the types?18:11
daneyon_thomasem correct that is what I'm thinking, but I want to hear from the group18:11
s3wongthomasem: that is how I interpreted it18:11
daneyon_Whatever direction we take, I want to make it a group decision18:12
SourabhPdaneyon_: agreed, extensibility is quite important18:12
thomasemokay, then I didn't misinterpret. :)18:12
daneyon_SourabhP agreed that extensibility is important, but we need to also make sure ease of use is just as important18:12
Tango|2is #4 an invitation to the team to add?18:13
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daneyon_1 more minute to cast your vote for changing the BP language18:13
daneyon_Tango|2 yes18:13
s3wongdaneyon_: no -1 so far, looking good :-)18:13
thomasemdaneyon_: Yeah. I think that's been a downside of a lot of OpenStack things - difficult to use, inconsistent between plugins, etc.18:13
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daneyon_pls add any add'l content as u see fit18:14
thomasemgeneral risks you take when adding in extensibility and thus creating a maintenance problem.18:14
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daneyon_do you think we are missing anything?18:14
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daneyon_my main point of the BP is that we look at the big picture before diving into specific fixes18:14
Tango|2+1 on that18:15
thomasemOkey doke. Sorry if I'm diving into the weeds. :P18:15
daneyon_and that we align with magnum principles, etc..18:15
s3wongdaneyon_: +1 --- hence the original bp language with an emphasis on Swarm should be changed18:15
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daneyon_#agreed that the Magnum networking BP language change to be more generic18:16
SourabhPHow about aligning with Neutron? I think it’s important to do that, since that’s the key networking project in OpenStack.18:16
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daneyon_SourabhP I would like to keep the language general. For neutron or anyt other specifi implementations, I would like to start with the use case and then plug in the right solution for the use case18:17
hongbinSourabhP: What exactly do you mean by aligning with Neutron?18:17
* s3wong is wondering how Neutron constructs can fit into Kubernetes18:17
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yapengdaneyon_: agreed18:17
sicarie+1 s3wong18:17
thomasems3wong: with a tenant network instead of an overlay network18:17
daneyon_I would like to understand in detail how/why a Magnum networking backend (i.e. Flannel) has to integrate with Neutron or any others18:17
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daneyon_Not saying it should'nt... I just think this process helps lead us to good solutions18:18
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SourabhPthomasem: yes, that’s my point18:18
thomasemWell, there's two main whys18:18
russellbit's possible to use Neutron managed tenant networks as your networks for containers instead of creating overlays18:18
russellbthat's the main win18:18
daneyon_I think it's important for us to create strong, detailed use cases18:18
thomasemone is that we're double encapsulating with an overlay networking solution, meaning more network comms overhead18:18
russellbprimarily for network performance reasons18:18
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daneyon_with that point, pls use the use case section in the EP to create use cases18:19
thomasemand two, is that it's not all that friendly trying to talk to other services on the networks that Neutron has.18:19
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daneyon_and check back so you can see people's comments on your use cases18:19
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daneyon_#action everyone to review existing use cases, extend existing use cases, comment on use cases, respond, etc..18:20
daneyon_#topic Collaborative brainstorm session in EtherPad18:20
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daneyon_lets take a few minutes to review the use case section of the EP18:20
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daneyon_pls also add your name next to your EP color so we know who's who18:21
daneyon_or you can add your nic next to the lines you add18:22
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daneyon_In additional to the use cases, pls review the roles associated to the use cases and provide your input/feedback there also18:22
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daneyon_5 more minutes for EP collab and then we will get into open discussion back in the orc meeting18:33
thomasemdaneyon_: does that make more sense?18:34
thomasemmy answer to your comment/question18:34
daneyon_thomasem +1 on the revised language18:34
daneyon_and i think that's a great use18:35
daneyon_users will need to migrate apps and the use case you provided is essential for that18:35
daneyon_additionally, not all app services will be containerized18:35
thomasemyeah, that needs to be expected18:36
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thomasemDBaaS will not be a part of your cluster, however you're probably still going to want to use it18:36
thomasemand talk over your own network, even18:36
daneyon_containerized services should be able to seemlessly communicate with VM-based apps in Nova, bare metal apps not running in a cloud, other clouds, etc..18:36
thomasemif possible18:36
thomasemSo, we'd need some way to attach your cluster to your network, and allow communication to happen without a bunch of hubub18:37
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thomasem:P consider it merged with 2.418:38
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sicarieHas thought been given to security groups or a similar feature? Or will this be delegated to the network?18:39
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thomasemin most cases it's already handled to some degree by the COE18:40
daneyon_sicarie I have given some thought to it, but it would be good if you could create a use case to support it in the EP18:40
thomasemWith Docker you have to expose ports18:40
thomasemand so on18:40
daneyon_sicarie I think their is a use case that can be created for each of the 3 roles18:40
daneyon_#topic Open Discussion18:41
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daneyon_I hope everyone is back from the EP session18:41
daneyon_Would anyone like to have an open discussion?18:41
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thomasemWell, I unfortunately am booked as usual. I'm expecting another month before I'll be able to devote much time to Magnum networking things.18:42
daneyon_I would.... Pls see line 30 in the EP18:42
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hongbindaneyon_: How about ask ppl to vote on each user cases?18:43
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daneyon_I would like to establish a date for submitting the spec for review18:43
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daneyon_hongbin not a bad idea18:43
thomasemmeaning the day we have a spec to work off of?18:43
s3wongdaneyon_: that would be a general spec, instead of specific spec for Swarm, Kubernetes...etc18:43
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daneyon_i was thinking of giving people a day or two to think though use cases18:43
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daneyon_lets do both18:44
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Tango|2I think the challenge is to break things down into small chunks and work through them in a common direction.18:44
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daneyon_everyone pls add comments +1/-1 vote to use cases. Owners of the use case, pls respond to people's questions/comments.18:44
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daneyon_Tango|2 agreed18:45
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daneyon_s3wong it will be a general spec. It will support the language we agreed to in lines 5-10 of the EP18:46
s3wongdaneyon_: OK --- July 25 is a good goal in this case18:46
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daneyon_Tango|2 getting back to your point of breaking things down, pls use the proposed change section in the EP to provide details. Pls also make sure the proposed change links back to the use case #18:47
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daneyon_We have 3 votes on establishing 7/25 as the day to submit the spec18:48
daneyon_others pls cast your vote18:48
thomasemthat's the day before my birthday18:48
Tango|2daneyon_: got it18:48
thomasemSo, it's like we'll be getting me a fresh new spec for my birthday.18:49
daneyon_thomasem could u ask for a better present ;-)18:49
Tango|2Tango|2: we can change to 7/26 :)18:49
thomasemI could not.18:49
daneyon_7/25 it is18:50
daneyon_#agreed 7/25 is the date to submit the Magnum networking blueprint18:50
daneyon_any other brief open discussion?18:51
daneyon_otherwise we'll do a quick review of the action items18:51
s3wongdaneyon_: submit spec?18:51
daneyon_#agreed correction... 7/25 is the date to submit the Magnum networking spec on blueprint18:51
Tango|2Should we continue the IRC meeting?18:52
daneyon_#agreed correction #2... 7/25 is the date to submit the Magnum networking spec not blueprint18:52
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daneyon_Tango|2 good point18:52
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daneyon_all pls see line 38 in the EP and cast your vote18:52
Tango|2good for high bandwidth exchange.18:53
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s3wongdaneyon_: weekly?18:53
daneyon_If we agree to continue, we will work though the scheduleing details18:53
thomasemyeah, I guess that's the question18:53
thomasemoh okay18:53
thomasemThere's definitely value in focusing on it18:54
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thomasemjust not sure we'll have enough material weekly until the spec is finalized and work is underway18:54
daneyon_seems like peopple so far would like to keep the mojo flowing18:54
daneyon_thomasem good point18:55
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thomasemThen again, we could consider each meeting an opportunity to continue dedicated work on the spec.18:55
thomasemSo, I'm fine with either, the more I think about it... I think we'll probably wind up debating what things look like and so on.18:55
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s3wongthomasem: +1, that would be the motivation18:55
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daneyon_If we keep the meetings going, would everyone be cool with taking a 2 week break and getting back together on 7/16 to drive home the spec?18:56
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daneyon_Or maybe the week earlier?18:56
daneyon_same time and place18:56
thomasemeither works for me, honestly.18:56
Tango|2Oh right, next week is near the July 4th holiday.18:56
s3wongdaneyon_: fine either way18:56
yapengfine with me.18:56
thomasemI'll just have to carve some time out to meditate on magnum networking.18:56
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daneyon_we may not be able to get a answer during the meeting, so please use the EP to add your thoughts about continued meetings18:57
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daneyon_Tango|2 myself and most of the US will be taking time off18:57
daneyon_thomasem me too18:57
SourabhP7/16 is good18:58
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Tango|2+1 on 7/16.  I will be off also.18:59
daneyon_I added time/date info for our next meeting on line 41 of EP18:59
thomasemthanks daneyon_18:59
s3wongdaneyon_: cool18:59
daneyon_Thanks everyone. Please keep adding to the EP and ping each other on irc18:59
s3wongdaneyon_: one minute18:59
yapengdaneyon_:looking good.18:59
daneyon_until then, talk to u on 7/1618:59
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stevemardtroyer: terrylhowe around?19:03
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stevemar3 aint bad, might be a bit short19:03
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stevemarlhcheng: terrylhowe you guys down for a quick meeting?19:04
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stevemarnot sure if we have an agenda, but lets go through the bugs and reviews19:05
lhchengI don't see anything in the agenda19:05
stevemaralso courtesy pings for dhellmann briancurtin and sigmavirus24_awa19:05
dtroyerI didn't write an agenda…and got wrapped up in something else...19:05
stevemardtroyer: hey hey19:05
dtroyercould we do a quick review of the recent releases?19:06
stevemardtroyer: glad to have you back, i figured bugs and open reviews for now19:06
stevemar#topic review recent release19:06
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stevemarre re re19:06
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stevemardhellmann: was kind enough to cut us a new release while you were away dtroyer19:07
stevemarthe reason for it was that jamie was itching to try out a v3 only devstack patch19:07
stevemargood news is, it worked19:08
stevemarhad to make a change or two to ec2 credentials19:08
stevemarand bump up the requirements (hence the change in version numbering)19:08
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stevemarthe change in requirements was a new KSC version19:09
dtroyerok, cool, thanks19:09
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stevemardtroyer: that sufficient for you?19:09
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stevemar1.4.0 was out when you were here right?19:10
dtroyerno, it didn't make it before I left, but looks like it was basically what was in process19:10
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stevemardtroyer: you might want to double check that we're not mucking up the release numbering ...19:10
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stevemaroh okay19:10
stevemar1.4.0 was much bigger19:11
dtroyerwhat I looked at so far seemed right on19:11
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stevemari'm a bit confused about how we have a liberty and a trunk stream now, but whatever19:12
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stevemari can take that up with you offline19:12
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stevemarany other questions about the recent release?19:12
dtroyerthat's something Doug does that I also didn't quite grok, but since they're doing the releases now we'll follow along19:13
dtroyerno, that covers it, thanks.  I was just wondering if I found all of the relevant bits19:13
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stevemardtroyer: yeah, theres something different now, but i figured doug knew what he was doing :P19:13
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stevemar#topic open bugs and reviews19:14
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stevemarpaste your links here!19:14
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stevemarthat one should be merge-able i think19:16
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stevemar^^ add project parents and children to 'project show'19:17
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stevemarsomeone volunteered to add support for volume QoS
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stevemartook a first pass at it, it's looking decent19:17
stevemarand more interest from amey in adding volume support in general:
dhellmanndtroyer, stevemar : sorry for the delay, distracted in another channel - the milestones are created by the release script using the series and version numbers, so that someone tracking "what is going on in liberty" can find that19:19
dhellmannif we want to predict work that will be done in a future version by number, we can pre-create the milestones using those numbers in the right series19:20
dhellmannthe next-$SERIES milestone is renamed if present to the version being released when the script is run, if we only want to predict one release ahead19:20
dhellmannor we could just let the script target bugs and blueprints when they are done and released19:20
dhellmannthe goal is to do as little of that by hand as the dev team wants19:21
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dtroyerthanks for the explanation dhellmann.   I've only been working one milestone ahead so next-$SERIES works for me19:22
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dtroyerand that mostly for producing release notes19:22
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dhellmannyep, and just make sure it's in the liberty series and everything should work fine19:23
stevemardtroyer: glad one of us understands it :P19:23
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stevemarterrylhowe also has a bunch of functional tests that need merging19:24
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terrylhowe has a bunch of dependencies to it, it would be nice to get that one through19:25
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dtroyerterrylhowe: I plan to start working through those tomorrow19:26
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stevemaron to bugs19:28
stevemar#topic bugs19:28
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stevemarwe have a few new bugs that could use some triaging19:29
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stevemarsome just need to be updated with a comment saying they are being worked on19:30
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stevemari'll do a few (like bug 1461817)19:30
openstackbug 1461817 in python-openstackclient "Existing image is updated when call image create" [Undecided,New]
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stevemaranyway, do what you can, no crazy critical bugs atm19:31
stevemarany other comments?19:31
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stevemar#topic anything else?19:33
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stevemartwo things from me here, 1)  the keystone team will likely be *removing* the keystone CLI in python-keystoneclient v2.019:34
stevemarmore of an FYI and a yay - but expect comments/questions about using OSC19:34
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stevemar2) theres a project called heat-translator which transforms Heat templates to and from another standard19:35
stevemarthey created a plugin for OSC19:35
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stevemari've been helping them get it started, and got good feedback on the process19:36
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stevemarnone of the calls require authN, so it's kinda overkill, but they like the uniformity of calling 'openstack'19:36
terrylhoweI’m pretty much done what I wanted to do with functional tests, so hopefully I get chance to look at the plugin stuff some more soon19:36
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dtroyerthe only thing I'd worry about there is object-name collisions with other plugins down the road…otherwise the common interface is nice19:37
dtroyeroh, one thing...19:37
stevemaroh, dtroyer, i pulled something together a few weeks ago for an osc-base19:37
stevemarso plugins can use that19:37
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stevemarof course19:38
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dtroyerI smell a repo-add change in our future…19:38
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stevemarterrylhowe: took a look at it already, havent had the time to incorporate his suggestions, but i'd appreciate some more eyes on it nonetheless19:39
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stevemardtroyer: your one more thing?19:39
dtroyerI talked to Pieter Kruithof today about doing a UX study, they seem to have some energy to look at CLI and API stuff.19:39
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stevemarsounds good to me19:40
dtroyerwe're kicking around the sorts of things we would want to get feedback on, so if you think of something send along to me or raise it here in future meetings19:40
stevemarthe help system is still getting complaints19:41
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stevemaras is our defaulting to an interactive shell19:41
dtroyerhelp needs help, yes.19:41
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stevemaro/w i think folks are happy with the command and the amount of help text19:41
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dtroyerI'm still resistant to changing the default shell as plenty of other commands do that, we're not an outlier by any means19:41
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terrylhoweI like the interactive shell, although I rarely use it19:42
stevemarwhenever i want to see the help and options for a command, i just type it with no args, (thats where my mind goes)19:42
dtroyeronce I add a -0 option (think xargs) it'll be much more useful19:43
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dtroyerso yeah, that's one thing to ask about19:43
stevemarand the --help vs -h vs help vs ...19:43
stevemarif you have a command in there, if you dont have a command...19:44
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dtroyerthere are different help outputs available, how should we let the user select them?19:44
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stevemarthats piets problem to solve :P19:44
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stevemarthats all from me!19:46
dtroyernothing else here19:47
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stevemarlast chance to speak up, otherwise i'm parking this bus19:47
terrylhowenother here either19:47
stevemarthanks everyone!19:48
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dtroyer13 extra minutes!19:48
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mtreinish#startmeeting qa22:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Jun 25 22:00:59 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mtreinish. Information about MeetBot at
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mtreinishhi, who's here today?22:01
mtreinish^^^ today's agenda22:01
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mtreinishjogo, dtroyer, oomichi, masayukig: around?22:02
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mtreinishgmann: heh, it might be just us today22:03
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gmannmasayukig: he was working late night in office so he would not be able to join22:03
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mtreinishwell, I guess that's a good segway into the first topic22:03
gmanndkranz:  on vacation ?22:04
mtreinish#topic Moving 2200 UTC meeting time a little later (mtreinish)22:04
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mtreinishgmann: yep22:04
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mtreinishso this is something we've discussed informally before, but I wanted to get it on the agenda before I took it to the ML22:04
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mtreinishwhich is attendance for the 2200 UTC meeting is light22:04
mtreinishit's too early for a lot of APAC22:05
mtreinishso I'll start a ML poll and find a better time22:05
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jogomtreinish: sort of22:05
gmannmtreinish: +++ :)22:05
mtreinish#action mtreinish to start a ML poll to find a better time for the 2200UTC meeting22:06
mtreinishok, well that settles this topic22:06
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mtreinishlet's move on22:07
mtreinish#topic Specs Reviews22:07
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mtreinishdoes anyone have an open spec review they'd like to bring up?22:08
mtreinishI wanted to bring that one up again22:08
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mtreinishsomeone else needs to +A that, so we can get started on it22:08
mtreinishit depends on some of the CLI stuff being implemented22:09
gmannmtreinish: i have just one concern about admin writable resources tests in more than one places22:09
mtreinishI'll bug dpaterson about that tomorrow22:09
gmannafter that m +A22:09
mtreinishgmann: so honestly I'm not sure how much of a concern that really is because we can't control what plugins are doing22:10
gmannbecause tempest tests + plugin tests will be running on same env and can bring conflict issue22:10
mtreinishthat's kinda of the point. If the plugins are doing something wrong (like not protecting against global scope resources) that's a bug in the plugin22:10
gmannmtreinish: yea, that will kinda bug but i agree we can control that manually if anyone does22:11
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mtreinishwe're just using oslo.concurrency for locking so they can leverage that too. (although we probably can move the tempest specific fixture which just sets a name to the lib or something)22:11
mtreinishok, is there anything else on specs?22:13
gmanncan we document that somewhere? for plugin writer benefit22:13
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mtreinishgmann: yeah, I plan to have a detailed doc in tempest on the plugin interface and writing plugins once the interface works22:14
Rockyggmann:  ++ a guidelines section or devref for that?22:14
gmannthat make sense to me for using locking there if they want22:14
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mtreinishI didn't think that made sense to do before we've even started working on the interface22:14
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Rockygmtreinish: ++ ;-)22:15
gmannmtreinish: Thanks. m will review that spec. mostly lGTM22:15
mtreinishgmann: ok, cool thanks22:15
* afazekas checking the plugin loading costs..22:15
gmannmtreinish: +1 after working condition we can write doc22:15
mtreinishafazekas: man you're online late :)22:15
mtreinishafazekas: yeah I'm not sure what the overhead is for stevedore loading, but I think it'll be pretty minimal compared to everything else22:16
afazekasmtreinish: It's meeting time :)22:16
afazekasmtreinish: If it means all python package scan..22:17
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mtreinishafazekas: I'm pretty sure it uses pkg_resources to do an entry point list22:18
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mtreinishwhich anyway let's move on, since I don't think there are any other specs to discuss22:20
mtreinish#topic Blueprints22:20
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mtreinishdoes anyone have an open bp to discuss?22:20
mtreinishor give a status update on22:20
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mtreinishok I guess not :)22:22
mtreinishlet's move on then22:22
mtreinish#topic Devstack22:22
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mtreinishdtroyer: anything exciting in devstack land?22:22
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mtreinishalthough, like me, you're just coming back22:23
mtreinishso maybe not22:23
dtroyerI've been out for a while, but most exciting I've seen is sc68cal getting more neutron bits working22:23
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dtroyeralso, I may have some folk to pick up the neutron re-write… film at eleven22:23
mtreinishheh, ok22:24
mtreinishyeah getting the linux bridge stuff will be cool22:25
dtroyerlastly, there is cleaning up some of the WSGI service implementation going on, keystone merged, I'm working on some Nova bits now22:25
mtreinishdtroyer: and I think everyone is looking forward to you rewriting neutron22:25
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mtreinishdtroyer: is this to have a common way of registering wsgi services?22:26
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dtroyerit changes where the files are loaded from (removed a copy) and makes the apache template files more common22:26
mtreinishah, ok22:26
mtreinishok, is there anything else on devstack?22:27
dtroyernot from me22:27
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mtreinishok, then let's move on22:29
mtreinish#topic Grenade22:29
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mtreinishjogo, dtroyer: anything new for grenade this week?22:29
mtreinishjogo: I know you've been looking at the work required for multi-node grenade right?22:29
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jogomtreinish: mordred broke it22:30
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mtreinishjogo: heh, good to know22:30
jogonew jobs are set up  to run tempest-smoke for nova-net and neutron22:30
jogoto see how viable multinode grenade will be22:30
mtreinishI think keeping mordred away from grenades is probably good for everyone22:31
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jogoand sdague said he will own those jobs22:31
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jogomordred broke setting of the  hostname so both nodes have the same name and nova had a seizure22:31
mtreinishoh, that explains the really bizarre errors22:31
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jogoand I will not be here for next weeks meeting ... or any more22:32
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mtreinishjogo: tsk tsk22:32
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mtreinishjogo: what will you do if actually lands?22:33
jogomtreinish: we will see ;)22:33
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mtreinishoh wait today was the spec freeze right?22:33
mtreinishI guess dansmith will have to put in an exception22:33
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mtreinishok, is there anything else on grenade?22:34
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jogoit can use a new core22:35
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mtreinishyes, I've been thinking about that ever since you told me you're leaving22:35
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mtreinishwe'll come up with something22:36
mtreinishwhich might be to just set up robo calls to spam your phone to do reviews22:36
* jogo will be on IRC still22:36
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gmannjogo:  +1. just wanted to ask about your presence on IRC22:37
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mtreinishok, let's move on22:38
mtreinish#topic Bugs22:38
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greghaynesjogo: fix is up for that btw22:38
jogogreghaynes: thanks!22:38
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mtreinishgmann: anything to report on bugs for this week?22:39
gmannnothing special, did triaged this week.22:39
mtreinishanything stand out during that?22:39
gmanncleaned up bugs got to new state due to abandon patches but most of them were fixed by other patches22:40
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gmannmtreinish: regarding
openstackLaunchpad bug 1370086 in tempest "Tempest ignores its custom virtualenv location" [Low,Confirmed] - Assigned to Ghanshyam Mann (ghanshyammann)22:40
gmannmtreinish: it just need sync from oslo.incubator right or we keep tempest version of those scripts?22:41
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mtreinishgmann: those are oslo synced iirc22:41
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gmannmtreinish: i saw Temp st has old version than oslo22:43
mtreinishok, then we probably just need to sync22:45
gmannmtreinish: ok thanks. I will put that today22:45
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dims_mtreinish: probablye this first ( before you sync22:45
mtreinishdims_: heh, good call :)22:45
mtreinishdims_: well except that removes the install venv bit we were talking about22:45
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dims_mtreinish: ok, then i'll abandon this one22:45
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mtreinishfrom because the tempest version doesn't quite work22:45
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mtreinishok is there anything else on bugs?22:45
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gmannnothing else from me22:45
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mtreinishok, then let's move on22:46
mtreinish#topic Critical Reviews22:46
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mtreinishDoes anyone have any reviews they'd like to get extra eyes on?22:46
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gmannmtreinish: neutron client refactor are up22:47
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mtreinishgmann: oh, cool I'll take a look22:47
mtreinishthat should be easy to review22:47
gmannmtreinish: Thanks22:48
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mtreinishgmann: oh, you know the next step after that is to split each resource type up into it's own module22:48
gmannmtreinish: yes22:48
gmannmtreinish: actually current refactor patches will conflict with
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gmannmtreinish: m ok to land that first if you want and then ll do rebase the refactor patches22:49
mtreinishgmann: well dougwig wants to wait a bit longer on that, so he'll have to rebase22:49
mtreinishit's just a delete so it'll rebase cleanly22:49
gmannmtreinish: ok22:49
gmannmtreinish: Thanks22:50
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mtreinishok, are there any other reviews?22:50
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mtreinishok, then let's open the floor22:52
mtreinish#topic Open Discussion22:52
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mtreinishdoes anyone have a topic they'd like to discuss that wasn't on the agenda?22:52
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mtreinishok, then I guess let's end here today22:53
mtreinishthanks everyone22:53
gmannThansk all22:53
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dpatersonmtreinish: FYI I am going to work on CLI pretty much full-time starting Monday next week.23:48
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