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| loquacities | hi everyone | 00:30 |
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| katomo | Hi | 00:30 |
| loquacities | hi katomo :) | 00:30 |
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| JRobinson__ | morning o/ | 00:30 |
| darrenc | hello | 00:30 |
| Zucan | hello | 00:30 |
| loquacities | #startmeeting docteam | 00:30 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 24 00:30:59 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is loquacities. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:31 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:31 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 00:31 |
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| loquacities | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 00:31 |
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| loquacities | the only action item i have was on me: Lana to work with Ironic dev team to identify a docs speciality group to help with updating the Ironic Install Guide http://docs.openstack.org/developer/ironic/deploy/install-guide.html | 00:31 |
| adahms | Morning! | 00:31 |
| loquacities | i'm happy to report that is now underway, it has its own agenda item | 00:31 |
| loquacities | morning adahms :) | 00:32 |
| bmoss | yay! | 00:32 |
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| loquacities | ok, let's review specs: | 00:32 |
| loquacities | #topic Liberty specs in review | 00:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Liberty specs in review (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 00:32 | |
| loquacities | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/docs-specs,n,z | 00:32 |
| loquacities | nothing too dramatic going on here: | 00:32 |
| loquacities | #link https://review.openstack.org/191074 (Debian Install Guide) | 00:33 |
| loquacities | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191041/ (Driver docs - requires discussion) | 00:33 |
| loquacities | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191077/ (Install Guide Liberty update - WIP) | 00:33 |
| loquacities | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177934/ (API work) | 00:33 |
| loquacities | so, a couple of install guide pieces (you'll notice the RST conversion one is merged now) | 00:33 |
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| JRobinson__ | the debian install guide rewrite is underway | 00:33 |
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| loquacities | JRobinson__: they've started? | 00:34 |
| JRobinson__ | ^the spec for the debian install guide rewrite is underway | 00:34 |
| loquacities | the spec isn't approved yet | 00:34 |
| JRobinson__ | sorry, not clear | 00:34 |
| loquacities | oh, right | 00:34 |
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| loquacities | i got worried for a minute there ;) | 00:34 |
| loquacities | hi ShillaSaebi :) | 00:34 |
| ShillaSaebi | hello | 00:34 |
| ShillaSaebi | :) | 00:34 |
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| loquacities | yeah, there's still some back-and-forth on the debian install guide | 00:34 |
| loquacities | i'm not expecting that work to start for a while yet | 00:35 |
| loquacities | ok, let's move on to speciality team reports: | 00:35 |
| loquacities | #topic Specialty teams | 00:35 |
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| loquacities | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/SpecialityTeams | 00:35 |
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| loquacities | #info HA Guide - RST migration underway: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/improve-ha-guide | 00:35 |
| loquacities | #info Install Guides - RST migration now underway, sign up here: #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/Migrate#Installation_Guide_Migration | 00:35 |
| loquacities | #info Networking Guide - Test & review for Liberty updates. | 00:36 |
| loquacities | #info Security Guide - RST conversion in planning. | 00:36 |
| loquacities | #info User Guides - Cloud Admin Guide RST conversion now underway https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/Migrate#Cloud_Admin_Guide_Migration | 00:36 |
| loquacities | #info Ops/Arch Guides - New speciality team! Thanks Shilla #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/OpsGuide | 00:36 |
| loquacities | #info API docs - Please review the spec #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177934/ | 00:36 |
| loquacities | #info Config Ref - New speciality team! Thanks Guavain #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/ConfigRef | 00:36 |
| loquacities | ok, that's a lot of info | 00:36 |
| loquacities | does anyone have any questions or updates on speciality team news? | 00:37 |
| Zucan | We want to get started on converting the ops guide to rst. | 00:37 |
| loquacities | um | 00:37 |
| loquacities | really? | 00:37 |
| ShillaSaebi | well we have our first meeting this week | 00:37 |
| Zucan | Is that okay? :) | 00:37 |
| ShillaSaebi | we haven't decided on anything yet | 00:37 |
| ShillaSaebi | we will be meeting on Thurs | 00:37 |
| loquacities | i would hold off on that for the time being | 00:38 |
| loquacities | for a couple of reasons | 00:38 |
| loquacities | 1. we need to check what o'reilly requirements we have there first | 00:38 |
| loquacities | and 2. we have a *lot* of RST conversion going on right now, and i'm worried we're taking on too much | 00:38 |
| ShillaSaebi | +1 that makes sense | 00:38 |
| loquacities | what time is the meeting? | 00:38 |
| ShillaSaebi | let me check my cal | 00:38 |
| Zucan | 1. makes sense. for 2. not all of us are on other doc teams... :) | 00:38 |
| ShillaSaebi | 3-4 UTC | 00:39 |
| loquacities | i can probably find out the o'reilly requirements pretty easily, so i'll try to get that to you before your meeting | 00:39 |
| JRobinson__ | arch guide meeting: Thursdays starting June 18 at 1500 UTC in in #openstack-meeting-3 | 00:39 |
| ShillaSaebi | thanks Lana | 00:39 |
| Zucan | Thank you :) | 00:39 |
| ShillaSaebi | JRobinson_ is that something worth adding to the wiki page for the specialty teams | 00:39 |
| ShillaSaebi | I didn't see it there last time | 00:39 |
| loquacities | hold on, 0300 or 150 UTC? | 00:39 |
| loquacities | 1500* | 00:39 |
| ShillaSaebi | 1500!! | 00:39 |
| ShillaSaebi | UTC time conversions - not my strong suit | 00:40 |
| ShillaSaebi | I'll get there :) | 00:40 |
| loquacities | Zucan: i appreciate that not everyone is working on other teams, but a lot of people are | 00:40 |
| Zucan | Agreed | 00:40 |
| loquacities | and i'm worried that working on too many conversion projects will take focus away from closing bugs | 00:40 |
| JRobinson__ | I copied that from the team page at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/OpsGuide | 00:40 |
| loquacities | we're already seeing a drop off in the number of reviews coming through | 00:40 |
| ShillaSaebi | yeah we need to first have our meeting, discuss with team and probably start with clean up | 00:41 |
| ShillaSaebi | and updating | 00:41 |
| loquacities | 25 june? | 00:41 |
| ShillaSaebi | yes | 00:41 |
| loquacities | ok, that's bad timing for me, but i'll definitely get some info together for you, if i can | 00:41 |
| loquacities | #action loquacities to investigate if an ops guide RST conversion is feasible, and report back to the ops guide team | 00:42 |
| ShillaSaebi | thank you | 00:42 |
| loquacities | np | 00:42 |
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| loquacities | anything else on speciality teams before we move on? | 00:42 |
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| loquacities | ok, let's move on then | 00:43 |
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| loquacities | #topic Doc tools update: | 00:43 |
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| loquacities | #info openstack-doc-tools 0.29.1 has been released. This fixes a translation bug in 0.29.0 | 00:43 |
| loquacities | andreas and the i18n team discovered that the 0.29 update broke RST translation | 00:44 |
| loquacities | so they've quickly fixed that and released 0.29.1 | 00:44 |
| katomo | sorry :-( | 00:44 |
| loquacities | haha katomo, no sorry needed! | 00:44 |
| loquacities | finding bugs is good :) | 00:44 |
| loquacities | please do tell us if you discover any more! | 00:45 |
| JRobinson__ | good news that the translation was repaired | 00:45 |
| loquacities | indeed :) | 00:46 |
| loquacities | #topic Docs Liaisons | 00:46 |
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| loquacities | #info Don't forget our lovely liaisons when you're working on a bug, or asking for reviews: #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons#Documentation | 00:46 |
| loquacities | i've been chatting to our liaisons a bit over the past couple of weeks | 00:46 |
| loquacities | and one of hte main requests i'm getting is that you add them to reviews or bugs as you're going | 00:46 |
| loquacities | so, if you're working on a nova bug, or have a docs patch in that discusses nova, make sure you cc in the nova liaisons | 00:47 |
| loquacities | (for example) | 00:47 |
| loquacities | any questions on that? | 00:47 |
| ShillaSaebi | nay | 00:48 |
| loquacities | great | 00:48 |
| katomo | none | 00:48 |
| loquacities | #topic i18n Team | 00:48 |
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| loquacities | #info Remember to keep #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/I18nTeam/docs-translation#Document_categorize updated | 00:48 |
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| loquacities | if you're working on a doc that is translated, then you need to keep our translators in mind, and helping them to make sure they're not translating and retranslating unecessarily | 00:49 |
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| loquacities | any questions on translation? | 00:49 |
| loquacities | great, let's move on | 00:49 |
| loquacities | #topic Ironic Docs | 00:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Ironic Docs (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 00:50 | |
| loquacities | #info Shilla, Gauvain, and Nick are going to be working on reviewing the Ironic Install Guide. If you want to help, please ping Lana. | 00:50 |
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| loquacities | there's some contention over standards on this at the moment, which we're trying to work out | 00:50 |
| loquacities | i'll email the ironic PTL today and try to come to some conclusion on this soon | 00:50 |
| ShillaSaebi | yeah i think that would be great | 00:51 |
| loquacities | ShillaSaebi: sorry it turned into a bit of a mess :( | 00:51 |
| ShillaSaebi | I got a number of my team mates at Comcast to help with them too and it seems like all the doc reviews are -1 and -2 at this moment | 00:51 |
| ShillaSaebi | yeah i think once we can agree on the standard, we can move on. no worries! | 00:51 |
| loquacities | are you able to send me a list of the current reviews, so that we can get this sorted? (email would be great) | 00:51 |
| ShillaSaebi | yes absolutely | 00:51 |
| loquacities | yeah, it's frustrating that things are getting marked -1 because of a standards issue | 00:52 |
| loquacities | but i'm sure we can come to a agreement here, one way or another | 00:52 |
| ShillaSaebi | yup I think so too | 00:52 |
| loquacities | :) | 00:52 |
| ShillaSaebi | :D | 00:52 |
| loquacities | ok, moving on to APAC meetups ... | 00:52 |
| loquacities | #topic APAC Meetups | 00:52 |
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| loquacities | #info Planning for an APAC OpenStack meet up, ping asettle & adahms | 00:52 |
| loquacities | obviously this isn't happening in June | 00:53 |
| asettle | Nein | 00:53 |
| loquacities | adahms: do you have an idea of when the RH people might be able to make this? | 00:53 |
| asettle | I think we should revisit this potentially in August | 00:53 |
| asettle | Sorry, July | 00:53 |
| asettle | I forgot what month It was | 00:53 |
| loquacities | it would be nice to meet before the swarm | 00:53 |
| loquacities | yep, i agree | 00:53 |
| loquacities | adahms: any chance on a july date? | 00:53 |
| adahms | Hmm | 00:54 |
| adahms | As mentioned during the last meeting, I think the next time we can catch up with be at the swarm, I'm afraid | 00:54 |
| loquacities | hrm, ok | 00:54 |
| loquacities | asettle: it might be worth going ahead and doing something in july anyway, with the understanding that the RHers might not make it | 00:55 |
| asettle | adahms it doesn't have to be any special amount of time. You all eat lunch, right? We can organise a lunch. We are all WFH so it's easy for us to get to you. | 00:55 |
| loquacities | i'm nervous about doing a swarm without having some kind of f2f beforehand to work out details | 00:55 |
| asettle | loquacities agreed | 00:55 |
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| loquacities | and let's make sure we advertise it fairly widely, too | 00:56 |
| loquacities | see if we can widen the net a little | 00:56 |
| asettle | Mailing list ahoy, and I'll try and get a tweet out so we can get everyone to retweet etc. | 00:56 |
| loquacities | yep, good plan | 00:56 |
| JRobinson__ | So a pre-swarm meeting over lunch event in mid July might work | 00:56 |
| loquacities | it might be possible to hang off the openstack meetup group, too | 00:56 |
| loquacities | asettle: maybe you could ping tim hildred? | 00:56 |
| asettle | loquacities sure. I'll work something out. | 00:56 |
| asettle | yeah, good idea. | 00:57 |
| loquacities | ok, easy, thanks | 00:57 |
| loquacities | #info Planning for APAC Docs Swarm on 13-14 August, ping Suyog | 00:57 |
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| loquacities | in the absence of suyog, are we all good here at the moment? | 00:57 |
| asettle | Yep, it has all been confirmed several meetings in a row. | 00:57 |
| asettle | This agenda can be removed | 00:57 |
| asettle | Other than mentioning that it *is* happening | 00:57 |
| loquacities | i don't want it to drop off right now | 00:57 |
| asettle | Sure :) | 00:58 |
| loquacities | so, be prepared to continue to be bugged about it :P | 00:58 |
| loquacities | ok, final agenda item ... | 00:58 |
| asettle | I"m so excited :p | 00:58 |
| loquacities | i knew you would be :P | 00:58 |
| loquacities | #topic Spotlight bugs: | 00:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Spotlight bugs: (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 00:58 | |
| loquacities | #info Last week's spotlight bugs: two were closed, the third is in progress. Yay! | 00:58 |
| loquacities | i was really happy with how this worked last week, so i'm going to keep doing it | 00:58 |
| loquacities | here are the new spotlight bugs, from the newsletter i sent out on friday: | 00:59 |
| loquacities | #info #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1330005 Glance image properties and values (low hanging fruit) | 00:59 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1330005 in openstack-manuals "Glance image properties and values are not documented" [Medium,Fix released] - Assigned to idzzy (idzzy) | 00:59 |
| loquacities | #info #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1394397 Nova notification_driver | 00:59 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1394397 in openstack-manuals "notification_driver is poorly documented" [Low,Confirmed] | 00:59 |
| loquacities | #info #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1205402 iPXE ISO boot support | 00:59 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1205402 in openstack-manuals " xenapi: Added iPXE ISO boot support" [Medium,Confirmed] | 00:59 |
| loquacities | ohh, it looks like the first one is done already, too :) | 00:59 |
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| loquacities | one thing i've noticed going through these is that they are often simple fixes, they're just badly written or described bugs, which is why they've been hanging around | 01:00 |
| loquacities | so sometimes it's worth spending the time digging into it a little to find out what really needs to be done | 01:00 |
| loquacities | any questions on the spotlight bugs? | 01:00 |
| ShillaSaebi | nope | 01:00 |
| asettle | Nein | 01:01 |
| loquacities | great :) | 01:01 |
| JRobinson__ | calling them out in the newsletter seems to be a good plan :) | 01:01 |
| loquacities | JRobinson__: it's working so far :P | 01:01 |
| loquacities | #topic Open discussion | 01:01 |
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| loquacities | anything else anyone wants to talk about? | 01:01 |
| JRobinson__ | I had one topic for open discussion: | 01:01 |
| JRobinson__ | patches without bugs - | 01:01 |
| loquacities | yep? | 01:01 |
| asettle | Mmm good question, was thinking the same thing. People that spot a bug, but don't report it, just fix it | 01:02 |
| JRobinson__ | in the case of minor patches one digit changed, or one word | 01:02 |
| JRobinson__ | And if the person is an experienced or core contributor and knows the docs well | 01:02 |
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| loquacities | i think with a minor patch, that's fine | 01:03 |
| loquacities | i'd be cautious with "i noticed the output of this command is wrong", though | 01:03 |
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| loquacities | i'd like to see that stuff verified before we change it | 01:03 |
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| Zucan | It definitely is a slipper slope. | 01:03 |
| Zucan | slippery even | 01:04 |
| loquacities | or "i ran the command [foo] and it didn't work, but [bar] did" | 01:04 |
| loquacities | yeah, i agree | 01:04 |
| asettle | oh thre are *so* many of those bugs | 01:04 |
| loquacities | as a reviewer, we trust you to use your best judgement on these | 01:04 |
| loquacities | if you think it needs to be independently verified, then feel free to mark it down | 01:04 |
| loquacities | maybe help the submitter out by creating the bug and/or verifying it, too | 01:04 |
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| loquacities | most things like that are pretty easy to test in devstack | 01:05 |
| loquacities | does that answer the question? | 01:06 |
| JRobinson__ | #info patches without bugs can be addressed with reviewer best judgement - verify if you feel it's needed, or help the submitter by creating the bug and verifying it correctly in triage stages | 01:06 |
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| JRobinson__ | yes it does, thanks loquacities | 01:06 |
| asettle | Cheers | 01:06 |
| Zucan | It's one of those things where you would like to do the right thing and submit a bug, but likely, somebody will -1/-2 it because there are other things that need to be done. SO, i have to agree. | 01:06 |
| loquacities | nice work, thanks :) | 01:06 |
| loquacities | yeah, typos and wording, etc is fine not to have a bug | 01:07 |
| loquacities | anything where we're changing commands should really be independently verified | 01:07 |
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| loquacities | ohai annegentle | 01:07 |
| loquacities | we were just wrapping up ;) | 01:07 |
| ShillaSaebi | hi Anne! | 01:08 |
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| loquacities | ok, anything else? | 01:08 |
| ShillaSaebi | i don't have anything | 01:08 |
| katomo | none | 01:09 |
| Zucan | same here | 01:09 |
| loquacities | we still have the room for 22 minutes! | 01:09 |
| loquacities | ok, i'm calling it then | 01:09 |
| loquacities | thanks for your time everyone o/ | 01:09 |
| Zucan | we can fill it with bug fixing on the spotlights! | 01:09 |
| asettle | Thanks Longgeek | 01:09 |
| asettle | loquacities | 01:09 |
| asettle | God damn tab complete | 01:09 |
| loquacities | Zucan: +1! | 01:09 |
| loquacities | lol | 01:09 |
| ShillaSaebi | thank you and see you all soon :) | 01:09 |
| katomo | thanks | 01:09 |
| loquacities | #endmeeting | 01:09 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 24 01:09:46 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:09 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-06-24-00.30.html | 01:09 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-06-24-00.30.txt | 01:09 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-06-24-00.30.log.html | 01:09 |
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| stevebaker | #startmeeting heat | 07:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 24 07:00:22 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is stevebaker. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 07:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 07:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 07:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 07:00 |
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| stevebaker | #topic rollcall | 07:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: heat)" | 07:00 | |
| sirushti | o/ | 07:00 |
| xek | o/ | 07:00 |
| Qiming | o/ | 07:00 |
| ramishra | hi | 07:00 |
| inc0 | o/ | 07:00 |
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| skraynev | 0/ | 07:01 |
| tspatzier | hi | 07:01 |
| KanagarajM | Hi | 07:01 |
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| stevebaker | #topic Adding items to agenda | 07:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Adding items to agenda (Meeting topic: heat)" | 07:01 | |
| stevebaker | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282015-06-24_2000_UTC.29 | 07:01 |
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| stevebaker | anything else? | 07:03 |
| stevebaker | #topic heat reviews https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-reviews | 07:03 |
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| inc0 | oslo.versionedobjects? | 07:03 |
| stevebaker | inc0: sure, but zane isn't here to argue with you ;) | 07:03 |
| inc0 | that's why do it now:> | 07:04 |
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| inc0 | ;) | 07:04 |
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| KanagarajM | enabling convergence? | 07:04 |
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| stevebaker | KanagarajM: sure | 07:04 |
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| stevebaker | so quickly going through https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-reviews | 07:05 |
| stevebaker | Fixes for priority bugs | 07:05 |
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| KanagarajM | here, for https://review.openstack.org/181880, i added an notes | 07:05 |
| KanagarajM | would like to get opinion on using the tag. | 07:06 |
| stevebaker | KanagarajM: it is valid to abandon without an export. is export mandatory? | 07:07 |
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| KanagarajM | stevebaker: yes, it could be an user choice | 07:08 |
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| KanagarajM | some suer may want to block the abandon until exported successfuly | 07:08 |
| KanagarajM | while others may don't | 07:08 |
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| KanagarajM | so it will give flexibility to user and by default, we could make them as mandaotry as suggested by zaneb | 07:09 |
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| stevebaker | how about a stack-abandon --force will allow the user to abandon even if the stack is not in EXPORT_COMPLETE? | 07:10 |
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| KanagarajM | this should be an good choice over other one, i feel | 07:11 |
| KanagarajM | on --force, abandon will be done. if not then ONLY exported stack would be allowed to abandon | 07:11 |
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| stevebaker | yes | 07:12 |
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| KanagarajM | sure. thanks stevebaker. | 07:12 |
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| KanagarajM | stevebaker: I tried to put the review url in the heat-review, for those L1 items | 07:15 |
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| ramishra | Is there any reason we want export to be part of the default 'abandon' flow? why can't they be separate workflows altogether? you can combine them if you want(one after the other) as suggested by jason? | 07:15 |
| KanagarajM | ramishra: its like this only, its seprated now | 07:16 |
| KanagarajM | and there was a comment on how to make the choice on abandon. | 07:16 |
| stevebaker | lol, I was talking in the wrong room | 07:18 |
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| stevebaker | so the current convergence series seems to start here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/193926 | 07:19 |
| stevebaker | anything else convergence related which isn't in that series? | 07:19 |
| KanagarajM | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194952/2 | 07:19 |
| ananta_ | stevebaker: few are there | 07:19 |
| KanagarajM | i mean starts at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194952/2 | 07:19 |
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| asalkeld | o/ | 07:20 |
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| ananta_ | stevebaker: some more would come | 07:20 |
| ananta_ | I can put the consolidated list in the etherpad | 07:21 |
| stevebaker | ananta_: yes, feel free to just keep it up to date | 07:21 |
| stevebaker | #topic High priority bugs http://bit.ly/1FnhaIK | 07:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "High priority bugs http://bit.ly/1FnhaIK (Meeting topic: heat)" | 07:21 | |
| stevebaker | therve: are you about? https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1468025 | 07:22 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1468025 in heat "Implement encryption using the cryptography module" [High,New] - Assigned to Thomas Herve (therve) | 07:22 |
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| stevebaker | does that bug imply that switching to the cryptography module means changing encryption algorithms? | 07:24 |
| stevebaker | I'll mark it as medium rather than high | 07:24 |
| stevebaker | #topic liberty-1 milestone | 07:25 |
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| stevebaker | l-1 will hopefully be tagged in a few hours, however the gate is broken | 07:25 |
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| inc0 | how surprising | 07:26 |
| inc0 | was there any release without gate problems? | 07:26 |
| stevebaker | we're in good shape, https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/liberty-1 | 07:26 |
| asalkeld | inc0: gate should be ok after this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194873/ | 07:26 |
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| stevebaker | but I wanted to make https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1459837 a blocker for tagging | 07:26 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1459837 in heat "Error messages from nested stacks are awful" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Angus Salkeld (asalkeld) | 07:26 |
| asalkeld | need gate working ... | 07:26 |
| asalkeld | can we get tripelo guys to commit the dependant patch? | 07:27 |
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| asalkeld | this one https://review.openstack.org/#q,Iaeaf5affd55e6b6ea98dc65fb64b997aa6565f6d,n,z | 07:27 |
| skraynev | asalkeld: we discussed it yesterday with Kairat, he said, that you need just rebase your patch | 07:27 |
| asalkeld | skraynev: yeah i did | 07:28 |
| stevebaker | so can cores please nurse https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194873/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/188228/ through the gate? | 07:28 |
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| asalkeld | stevebaker: +1 | 07:28 |
| asalkeld | it should go through | 07:28 |
| asalkeld | Robert's patch just got merged | 07:28 |
| stevebaker | asalkeld: are you sure? that Depends-On didn't seem to do anything | 07:29 |
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| stevebaker | there may need to be an os-apply-config release too, the current release expects old pbr | 07:29 |
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| asalkeld | stevebaker: i mean we can at least hope for a passing tripleo test | 07:29 |
| stevebaker | #topic Remove Fn::Select for Liberty HOT? (shardy) | 07:29 |
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| ttx | stevebaker: i'll keep an eye on those and tag if they ever merge | 07:30 |
| stevebaker | I don't think shardy is here | 07:30 |
| stevebaker | ttx: thanks, btw we'd like to block on https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1459837 :) | 07:30 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1459837 in heat "Error messages from nested stacks are awful" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Angus Salkeld (asalkeld) | 07:30 |
| ttx | noted! | 07:31 |
| stevebaker | I'm +1 on removing Fn::Select | 07:31 |
| asalkeld | stevebaker: is it getting replaced with something? | 07:31 |
| asalkeld | besides get_attr | 07:32 |
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| skraynev | +1 for removing Fn::Select | 07:32 |
| stevebaker | does get_param do the same thing as get_attr? I can't recall. If so there seems zero need for Fn::Select | 07:32 |
| asalkeld | stevebaker: do we have a native version of select? | 07:33 |
| stevebaker | asalkeld: get_attr/get_param with extra arguments was always meant to be the native version | 07:34 |
| asalkeld | seems like we should have some replacement | 07:34 |
| asalkeld | really? | 07:34 |
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| asalkeld | ok, well not super opinionated about it | 07:35 |
| stevebaker | yes, the only thing in heat which can produce dicts or lists are attributes and params | 07:35 |
| stevebaker | I've just checked, get_param supports extra attributes | 07:36 |
| KanagarajM | a diff i could see is: Select allow to pass index and list/dict as input with out considering the input nature whether its param/attribute | 07:37 |
| asalkeld | btw tripleo gate still not working | 07:37 |
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| shardy | morning all, sorry meeting time mixup | 07:37 |
| tspatzier | I think the new str_split function shardy has spec-ed is the final bit for the replacement | 07:37 |
| tspatzier | so I think we can remove Select | 07:38 |
| stevebaker | KanagarajM: but it would need a new template version, so they'll have to adapt their template | 07:38 |
| stevebaker | KanagarajM: ...anyway | 07:38 |
| stevebaker | yep, +1 on str_split too | 07:38 |
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| shardy | 2015-06-24 2000 UTC | 07:39 |
| * shardy drinks coffee and is confused | 07:39 | |
| stevebaker | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194171/ | 07:39 |
| shardy | Ok so I have patches which bump HOT version, remove Fn::Select and adds str_split ready to push | 07:39 |
| shardy | is the consensus to push those? | 07:39 |
| asalkeld | yeah | 07:40 |
| stevebaker | shardy: ah, I see what happened | 07:40 |
| stevebaker | Agenda (2015-06-17 2000 UTC) | 07:40 |
| stevebaker | Agenda (2015-06-17 0700 UTC) | 07:40 |
| stevebaker | Agenda (2015-06-24 2000 UTC) | 07:40 |
| shardy | Aha, there's a dupe! | 07:40 |
| shardy | Sorry I didn't notice that when cut/pasting agenda blocks yesterday, my bad | 07:41 |
| shardy | Ok thanks all, I'll push the series this morning | 07:41 |
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| stevebaker | shardy: whew, thought I was loosing grasp of reality there | 07:42 |
| shardy | stevebaker: So did I! ;D | 07:43 |
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| stevebaker | #topic heat_integrationtests into a new repo | 07:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "heat_integrationtests into a new repo (Meeting topic: heat)" | 07:44 | |
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| stevebaker | so one outcome of today's gate breakage is that it is likely time we spun out heat_integrationtests into its own repo | 07:44 |
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| asalkeld | so the problem is sync'ing the integration requirements.txt | 07:45 |
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| asalkeld | and that is not done by infra | 07:45 |
| asalkeld | and it lags | 07:45 |
| stevebaker | it has its own requirements.txt, and its turning into another project within a project, like contrib | 07:45 |
| asalkeld | so the lazy way out is to get infra to post changes to our requirements | 07:46 |
| asalkeld | so we can still have it in-tree | 07:46 |
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| shardy | I actually like having them in tree, then you can push a patch, or series with a test which proves a fix | 07:46 |
| shardy | But cross-repo Depends-On works now, right? | 07:46 |
| shardy | ah, OK | 07:46 |
| asalkeld | stevebaker: can we make a setup.cfg and have it in-tree | 07:46 |
| stevebaker | shardy: lets assume so for this discussion | 07:46 |
| asalkeld | or we just toss this feature (and install everything) | 07:47 |
| asalkeld | i kinda like it in-tree | 07:48 |
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| asalkeld | anyone remember why this was added? | 07:48 |
| asalkeld | https://github.com/openstack/heat/commit/f518cfe252721553cca1d31c0980dc7aa4111a64 | 07:48 |
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| stevebaker | at some point (in the post tempest world) people are going to want to validate their heat install by running heat_integrationtests against it | 07:48 |
| stevebaker | asalkeld: I'm assuming that was seen as a first step to breaking out into its own repo | 07:49 |
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| asalkeld | yeah | 07:49 |
| shardy | stevebaker: Yeah, I guess that's going to be slightly easier from a separate repo.. | 07:49 |
| stevebaker | oh well, if someone want to drive this with a spec or somesuch then feel free | 07:50 |
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| asalkeld | i hope we don't forget reviews and become the new tempest :-O | 07:50 |
| stevebaker | #topic enabling convergence | 07:50 |
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| stevebaker | KanagarajM: go | 07:50 |
| KanagarajM | for enabling convergence, shall we go for two gate jobs ? | 07:51 |
| KanagarajM | may be one of non-convergence and another for convergence with non-voting. | 07:51 |
| stevebaker | KanagarajM: that sounds sensible | 07:51 |
| KanagarajM | till we stablish it. | 07:51 |
| stevebaker | +1 | 07:51 |
| asalkeld | KanagarajM: maybe for just heat_integration/functional ? - quicker | 07:51 |
| skraynev | asalkeld: :) agree | 07:51 |
| shardy | +1 | 07:51 |
| stevebaker | a check-heat-dsvm-functional-conv-mysql | 07:52 |
| asalkeld | so the alternatives are more of these DTM patches | 07:52 |
| stevebaker | should we go straight to a non-voting job or start with experimental? | 07:52 |
| asalkeld | or an experimental | 07:52 |
| shardy | Will we need a way to tag functional tests as convergence only? | 07:53 |
| stevebaker | did I see someone got a full successful test run? | 07:53 |
| asalkeld | stevebaker: i'd vote for experimental | 07:53 |
| shardy | e.g so we can add tests which prove the new features? | 07:53 |
| asalkeld | shardy: we just want to first shoot for getting the current stuff working | 07:53 |
| shardy | asalkeld: kk | 07:53 |
| stevebaker | shardy: we can enable/disable sets of tests with heat_integrationtests.conf | 07:54 |
| shardy | stevebaker: Ah, cool, sounds good | 07:54 |
| KanagarajM | asalkeld: how the experimental different from non-voting? | 07:54 |
| asalkeld | atm it is mostlly tags + adopt that don't work | 07:54 |
| asalkeld | KanagarajM: you have to post a comment "check-experimental" | 07:54 |
| asalkeld | in the review to get it to run | 07:54 |
| asalkeld | so it's not run by default | 07:55 |
| asalkeld | actually i don't mind either way | 07:55 |
| asalkeld | experimental or non-voting check | 07:55 |
| stevebaker | we may go fairly quickly from experimental to non-voting, lets start with experimental. Who wants to submit the change to project-config? | 07:56 |
| stevebaker | #topic versioned objects | 07:56 |
| asalkeld | :-) tumble weeds | 07:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "versioned objects (Meeting topic: heat)" | 07:56 | |
| stevebaker | inc0: go! | 07:56 |
| KanagarajM | stevebaker: will do it | 07:56 |
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| inc0 | soo...we have a prototype | 07:56 |
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| inc0 | not very good example, as we agreed to make only convergence call | 07:57 |
| stevebaker | KanagarajM: thanks, add me to the review if you need help | 07:57 |
| KanagarajM | stevebaker: sure. | 07:57 |
| inc0 | and it only uses ID | 07:57 |
| inc0 | but basic idea is to replace normal rpc serializer with VO | 07:57 |
| inc0 | and refactor calls to use objects | 07:57 |
| inc0 | Zane tho challanges whole idea of versioned RPC | 07:58 |
| asalkeld | inc0: for us, or as a whole? | 07:58 |
| inc0 | for us | 07:58 |
| asalkeld | i don't see why | 07:58 |
| skraynev | stevebaker: I think that I or someone from our guys can upload patch to project config ;) | 07:58 |
| stevebaker | yeah, we have no conductor, so we're not nova | 07:59 |
| inc0 | I humbly disagree because we do have few complicated rpc calls | 07:59 |
| skraynev | stevebaker:: oops. I am late ;) | 07:59 |
| stevebaker | skraynev: sort it out with KanagarajM ;) | 07:59 |
| asalkeld | stevebaker: well we upgrade machine by machine | 07:59 |
| skraynev | stevebaker: sure, I think I will help with review then :) | 07:59 |
| asalkeld | so check_resource call goes to another engine | 07:59 |
| inc0 | we can end up with one engine from kilo and one from liberty | 07:59 |
| asalkeld | that could be newer/older | 07:59 |
| stevebaker | inc0: correct me if I'm wrong, but the types to our arguments are "simple", and the responses are generally "complex" | 08:00 |
| inc0 | well, we can have pretty complex calls, like stack_create | 08:00 |
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| stevebaker | any meetings starting now? | 08:01 |
| inc0 | (if I understand question correctly) | 08:01 |
| inc0 | we can move to #heat with discussion | 08:01 |
| stevebaker | inc0: but the individual arguments to stack_create are simple | 08:01 |
| asalkeld | stevebaker: should really move to #heat | 08:01 |
| stevebaker | #endmeeting | 08:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 08:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 24 08:01:29 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:01 |
| KanagarajM | skraynev: shall i, wanted to learn on the project-config :) kindly. don't mind. | 08:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-06-24-07.00.html | 08:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-06-24-07.00.txt | 08:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-06-24-07.00.log.html | 08:01 |
| skraynev | KanagarajM: sure. will do it ;) I had the same reason, because IMO everyone should look on it ;) (I had experience with functionaltest job for heatclient) | 08:02 |
| skraynev | KanagarajM: I don't mind if you do it now | 08:03 |
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| KanagarajM | skraynev: thanks :) | 08:04 |
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| KanagarajM | skraynev: it would be great if you could spare an amount of time to review my patchs, pls :) | 08:05 |
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| zhipeng | hello | 13:03 |
| zhipeng | we will start Tricircle meeting shortly | 13:03 |
| joehuang | hi | 13:03 |
| gampel | hi | 13:03 |
| zhipeng | hey:) | 13:03 |
| saggi | hi | 13:03 |
| zhipeng | #startmeeting Tricircle Weekly Meeting 2015.06.24 | 13:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 24 13:04:14 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is zhipeng. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Tricircle Weekly Meeting 2015.06.24)" | 13:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tricircle_weekly_meeting_2015_06_24' | 13:04 |
| zhipeng | #topic Roll Call | 13:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: Tricircle Weekly Meeting 2015.06.24)" | 13:04 | |
| zhipeng | #info zhipeng | 13:04 |
| joehuang | #info joehuang | 13:04 |
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| gampel | #info gampel | 13:05 |
| saggi | #info smizrahi | 13:05 |
| gsagie | #info gsagie | 13:05 |
| joehuang | #info zhiyuan_cai | 13:06 |
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| zhipeng | ok nice to see you guys :) | 13:06 |
| zhipeng | #topic agenda bashing | 13:06 |
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| zhipeng | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Tricircle | 13:07 |
| zhipeng | #info today's agenda is on the meeting wiki page | 13:07 |
| zhipeng | #info any suggestion on more items ? | 13:07 |
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| joehuang | ok for me | 13:07 |
| zhipeng | ok | 13:08 |
| zhipeng | anyone else? | 13:08 |
| zhiyuan | fine for me, too | 13:08 |
| zhipeng | #agreed agenda agreed | 13:09 |
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| zhipeng | #topic introduction of tricircle project | 13:09 |
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| gampel | maybe we could start discussing the clean code baseline for tricircle | 13:09 |
| zhipeng | joehuang maybe you could briefly introduce a little bit? | 13:09 |
| zhipeng | including the clean code base | 13:09 |
| joehuang | # I'll introduce background for a file | 13:10 |
| joehuang | #info The Tricircle idea is originated from two practical projects. | 13:10 |
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| joehuang | #info We have a multi-region solution delivered to our customer, the customer complained on some manual operation like has to configure the VPN connection for the router allocated in different OpenStack instances, and has to repeat that for a new tenant. | 13:10 |
| joehuang | #info and also like security group, it is difficult to configure per region base for a tenant | 13:11 |
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| joehuang | #info and has to upload image to each region separatly, do the replication manually, but not on demand | 13:12 |
| joehuang | #info and has to configure the tenant quota per region base. This is painful. | 13:12 |
| joehuang | #info The second project asked us to provide a layer above multi-region OpenStack instances, but this layer must provide well adopted open api. | 13:13 |
| joehuang | #info Some other customer also showed similar concerns, at last we think we need to find a way to solve these issues, that's the idea to start tricircle like project. | 13:13 |
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| joehuang | that's the background | 13:14 |
| joehuang | Zhiyuan can introduce current code base, and then discuss the clean code base? | 13:14 |
| zhipeng | sounds great to me | 13:15 |
| zhiyuan | ok | 13:15 |
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| zhipeng | #info zhiyuan explains the clean code base | 13:15 |
| zhiyuan | #info I have added a tag "poc" to the previous code and submitted the new code base. | 13:15 |
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| zhiyuan | #info The code base is simple enough that it only handles creating server and synchronizing status of server and ports, working with openstack 2015.1.0 version | 13:16 |
| zhiyuan | #info We have built a third party CI to test the new code base. Thought currently this CI doesn't have voting right, we will manually guarantee test passes before patches can be merged. | 13:17 |
| zhiyuan | that's all. | 13:17 |
| zhipeng | gampel any questions? | 13:18 |
| joehuang | Gampel's idea abot clean code base? | 13:18 |
| gampel | do you have review system in place ? | 13:18 |
| zhiyuan | yes, tricircle uses the official openstack review system | 13:19 |
| zhiyuan | it is registered as a stackforge project | 13:19 |
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| gampel | Ok our Idea is to try and clean code base with smaller footprint so in the cascading layer you do not have to run full OpenStack | 13:20 |
| joehuang | Lauchpad is also ready? | 13:20 |
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| gampel | And to start with the Basic functionality | 13:21 |
| saggi | Also we want the clean solution to integrate more cleanly with the existing openstuck code. | 13:21 |
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| saggi | meaning we want to use established pluggable points in the codebase. | 13:21 |
| gampel | so if we deep dive into neutron | 13:22 |
| joehuang | good idea | 13:22 |
| gampel | we want to create networking-cacading that implement ML2 mechnizem driver and L3 service plugin only | 13:23 |
| joehuang | first to add a new ML2 mechanism driver for L2 functionality | 13:23 |
| joehuang | similar idea | 13:23 |
| gampel | yes | 13:23 |
| zhipeng | #topic initial work goal setting | 13:23 |
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| zhipeng | so does it suffice to say, in L, our goal is to have ML2 pluggin work? | 13:24 |
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| zhipeng | networking-tricircle | 13:24 |
| gampel | But we think that we do not need to save the port status in the cascading db we can pass it to the actual Cascaded OS | 13:24 |
| joehuang | ML2 MD + L3 service plugin | 13:24 |
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| gampel | yes exactly | 13:25 |
| joehuang | If we can reduce to store port status, it would be very helpful | 13:25 |
| zhipeng | #info ML2 MD + L3 service plugin -> networking-tricircle, would be the L release goal | 13:25 |
| joehuang | your idea to reduce the port status persistence? | 13:25 |
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| gampel | yes inorder to make the cascading layer simpler | 13:26 |
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| gampel | saggi is looking into Nova and what is the best place to plug our code | 13:27 |
| zhipeng | gampel I sent out an email weeks ago asking about big tent in Nova and Cinder | 13:27 |
| zhipeng | theiry replied that they are not there yet | 13:27 |
| zhiyuan | so when a query about port comes to the cascading layer, it will pass this query to cascaded layer to retrieve the result? | 13:27 |
| zhipeng | only Neutron now got big tent mode working | 13:27 |
| joehuang | when we can discuss the idea for nova code plugin | 13:27 |
| gampel | I am not sure we will make it for the L release | 13:27 |
| zhipeng | so let's focus on Neutron for L release | 13:28 |
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| joehuang | and some basic functionality in nova | 13:28 |
| zhipeng | if we got time | 13:29 |
| gampel | saggi can you please present what you learned about Nova | 13:29 |
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| saggi | I think it's possible to inject ourselves at the API layer | 13:29 |
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| joehuang | interesting | 13:29 |
| saggi | I'm now testing implementing my own API classes similar to how cells is integrated | 13:29 |
| joehuang | inherited from API class, but replace the implementation? | 13:30 |
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| joehuang | yes, there is a configuration to do that | 13:30 |
| saggi | not inherit, reimplement | 13:30 |
| saggi | like cells do | 13:30 |
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| saggi | you reuse the DB logic etc | 13:31 |
| joehuang | the data will be persisted in the cascading layer or not? | 13:31 |
| gampel | what we want to reuse is the API DB data module | 13:31 |
| gampel | for all the openstack services | 13:31 |
| joehuang | OK, if no data persisted, then quota control, flavor, etc, will be a problem | 13:31 |
| saggi | As I see it, it will pass the calls to a cascaded layer that will keep mapping between the global UUIDS and local uuids | 13:31 |
| joehuang | cool, the most headache issue is the uuid maping | 13:32 |
| saggi | so the API class would reuse the DB calls but pass scheduling logic and such to the cascading layer | 13:32 |
| zhipeng | saggi gampel could you guys generate a simple document about your method? | 13:32 |
| zhipeng | google doc -ish :P | 13:32 |
| saggi | joehuang: You will have to keep that mapping anyway you look at it | 13:33 |
| gampel | yes we will and share it we want to intruduce a cascading service running in top opensatck | 13:33 |
| joehuang | for others to easy to jump in | 13:33 |
| saggi | joehuang: We want to keep the interface of the cascaded layer as close to the API layer as possible. Since this is the level that the casceding logic works at | 13:33 |
| gampel | Ok we curently evaluating the solution | 13:33 |
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| zhipeng | ok so let's discuss with a specific document | 13:34 |
| zhipeng | and gampel saggi please also take a look at the new tricircle wiki | 13:34 |
| joehuang | is it possible to elinminate uuid mapping? | 13:34 |
| zhipeng | so that we don't have architectural conflicts | 13:34 |
| gampel | I do not think so | 13:34 |
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| gampel | Ok we will | 13:35 |
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| zhipeng | many thx :) | 13:35 |
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| saggi | joehuang: I wouldn't recommends it for network since you want to be able to distinguish between the same router on different sites | 13:35 |
| joehuang | "I do not think so" what | 13:35 |
| saggi | singleton entities like VMs could use the same GUID though for simplicity | 13:35 |
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| joehuang | yes, in neutron, one object will be mapped to multiple objects, for example router | 13:36 |
| zhipeng | #action gampel saggi specific design doc on API layer idea | 13:36 |
| gampel | OK | 13:36 |
| saggi | You will end up having to cross reference logs at some point and you don't want to have the same ID multiple times. | 13:36 |
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| joehuang | for singleton object, using one uuid is valuable for metering data, maintainnce | 13:37 |
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| joehuang | and billing, backup | 13:37 |
| gampel | are you talking for the VM s GUID | 13:37 |
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| joehuang | for VM/volume/backup/snapshot, it's good to have only one uuid, no mapping is very great | 13:38 |
| saggi | joehuang: As longs as you can cross refenrece GUIDs you can meter them. | 13:38 |
| gampel | I am not sure it is posible migration could be a problem | 13:38 |
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| saggi | joehuang: Storage is a whole different deal. We need to see how the vanilla replication works wrt IDs | 13:39 |
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| joehuang | ok | 13:39 |
| zhipeng | #topic Project Logistics Discussion | 13:40 |
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| zhipeng | okey so we have CR ready | 13:40 |
| saggi | joehuang: As long as you keep mapping between local and global IDs you should be able to cross reference everything. | 13:40 |
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| zhipeng | should we have BP+spec as most project does | 13:41 |
| zhipeng | or just BPs | 13:41 |
| saggi | zhipeng: I think it's too early in the projects life-cycle for that much bureaucracy. We still don't have a grasp on the general clean code design. | 13:41 |
| gampel | I agree | 13:42 |
| joehuang | cross reference, some times is difficult, for example, alarm will created on the GUID, but it generated inside the cascaded OpenStack | 13:42 |
| saggi | joehuang: In that case it should be unique across all sites anway | 13:42 |
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| joehuang | to saggi, I need your detail idea about the cross reference GUID and uuid | 13:43 |
| zhipeng | so let's table this, at least for L release | 13:43 |
| zhipeng | about BPs/Specs I mean | 13:43 |
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| zhipeng | we will devote much of time in Neutron anyways :P | 13:44 |
| saggi | joehuang: gampel will put it as part of the whole design suggestion doc we spoke about earlier | 13:44 |
| gampel | OK i think BP is ok and spec is optional in this point | 13:44 |
| zhipeng | gampel I agree | 13:44 |
| gampel | some operational request/questions, where do you want us to place the new evaluation of the concept code | 13:44 |
| joehuang | so the idea could be regiested as BP | 13:44 |
| gampel | Ok we will register it as BP and add a link to online document | 13:45 |
| joehuang | saggi:ok, we can discuss on that doc :) | 13:45 |
| zhipeng | #agreed BP, no spec required for contribution | 13:46 |
| zhipeng | another thing is that do we need an initial core reviewer team now? | 13:46 |
| joehuang | shall we have a branch for concept? | 13:46 |
| zhipeng | for example I think gampel and joehuang could be | 13:46 |
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| zhipeng | u 2 should be enough | 13:46 |
| saggi | agreed | 13:47 |
| zhipeng | to oversee BPs | 13:47 |
| gampel | OK | 13:47 |
| joehuang | ok | 13:47 |
| joehuang | saggi and zhiyuan? | 13:47 |
| zhipeng | #agreed joehuang and gampel serve as core reviewers | 13:47 |
| joehuang | ok | 13:47 |
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| zhipeng | #topic AoB | 13:48 |
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| zhipeng | any other business :) | 13:48 |
| joehuang | to gampel: shall we have a branch for concept code | 13:48 |
| gampel | were do we develope the valuation of the concept code in the master | 13:48 |
| joehuang | or a new folder | 13:48 |
| gampel | under another directory or diffrent branch | 13:48 |
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| joehuang | in the master is also good for me. We need to fail fast at the early stage | 13:49 |
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| zhipeng | agree on master | 13:49 |
| gampel | Ok | 13:49 |
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| zhiyuan | so do I need to turn off the current CI test job? Since it would not fit the concept of code | 13:49 |
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| joehuang | it would ok, but need to improve if new code merged | 13:50 |
| gampel | saggi what do you think | 13:50 |
| saggi | gampel: I tend towards the branch option | 13:51 |
| saggi | That is what branches are for, testing new ideas | 13:51 |
| saggi | you can merge later | 13:52 |
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| saggi | or abandon | 13:52 |
| gampel | so we develop in the branch and then if it is viable we restructure the master | 13:52 |
| saggi | if it's doesn't work. An the original code is uneffected | 13:52 |
| gampel | Ok fine with me | 13:53 |
| joehuang | this may be better, to keep the master always working | 13:53 |
| joehuang | me too | 13:53 |
| gampel | i agree | 13:53 |
| zhipeng | #agreed concept of code in a branch | 13:53 |
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| joehuang | can zhiyuan add a new branch for concept code? | 13:54 |
| zhipeng | joehuang we have an irc channel for tricircle right? | 13:55 |
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| zhipeng | #openstack-tricircle? | 13:55 |
| joehuang | yes | 13:55 |
| zhiyuan | +1 | 13:55 |
| zhiyuan | ok, what name do you prefer? | 13:55 |
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| zhipeng | #info for daily discussion other than weekly meeting, we could use #openstack-tricircle | 13:55 |
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| gampel | ok thx, the name does not matter | 13:56 |
| joehuang | concept? or idea? | 13:56 |
| saggi | joehuang: for the branch? | 13:56 |
| joehuang | yes, for the branch | 13:57 |
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| saggi | joehuang: that's a tough question :) | 13:58 |
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| joehuang | we can do it tomorrow, it's 10:00pm here :) | 13:58 |
| saggi | joehuang: OK, good night | 13:58 |
| zhiyuan | and joe, maybe you clean the core member team to just keep you and gampel? there are too many core members currently... | 13:59 |
| joehuang | ok, will do | 13:59 |
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| zhiyuan | thx | 13:59 |
| zhipeng | #action joehuang to clean core member team | 13:59 |
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| zhipeng | ok thank you guys, very good meeting | 13:59 |
| zhipeng | let's wrap it up today | 13:59 |
| gampel | Ok good night | 13:59 |
| zhipeng | and keep discussion going via emails | 13:59 |
| zhipeng | good nite | 14:00 |
| joehuang | thanks all | 14:00 |
| zhipeng | #endmeeting | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 24 14:00:14 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle_weekly_meeting_2015_06_24/2015/tricircle_weekly_meeting_2015_06_24.2015-06-24-13.04.html | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle_weekly_meeting_2015_06_24/2015/tricircle_weekly_meeting_2015_06_24.2015-06-24-13.04.txt | 14:00 |
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| BobBall | #startmeeting XenAPI | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 24 15:01:21 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is BobBall. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
| BobBall | Howdy! | 15:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'xenapi' | 15:01 |
| BobBall | johnthetubaguy? You around? | 15:01 |
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| BobBall | Oops - forgot to come back here! | 15:14 |
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| BobBall | I'm focused on a XenAPI bug ATM and johnthetubaguy isn't around (clearly!). Main issue was this race as the CI is working well. Will be proposing a change in meeting time soon, as proposed last time. | 15:15 |
| BobBall | #endmeeting | 15:15 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 24 15:15:09 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:15 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2015/xenapi.2015-06-24-15.01.html | 15:15 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2015/xenapi.2015-06-24-15.01.txt | 15:15 |
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| johnthetubaguy | BobBall: you might say I could have checked the channel, but I was on an over-running meeting, and I didn't, oops! | 15:31 |
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| BobBall | np johnthetubaguy - hopefully the new meeting time will have less conflicts in general! | 15:46 |
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| thingee | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 24 16:00:01 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is thingee. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| thingee | hi all! | 16:00 |
| dulek | o/ | 16:00 |
| vincent_hou_ | hi | 16:00 |
| eharney | hi | 16:00 |
| geguileo | hi thingee! | 16:00 |
| thangp | o/ | 16:00 |
| xek | o/ | 16:00 |
| scottda | hi | 16:00 |
| geguileo | hi all | 16:00 |
| cebruns_ | Hi! | 16:00 |
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| thingee | so first off wanted to point out that liberty-1 has been tagged. | 16:00 |
| thingee | has anyone seen the stats on this? | 16:01 |
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| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:01 |
| geguileo | I hear you mention them yesterday | 16:01 |
| tbarron | hi | 16:01 |
| geguileo | s/hear/heard | 16:01 |
| dulek | These were quite high? | 16:01 |
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| thingee | everyone part of this team should feel really proud | 16:01 |
| thingee | https://launchpad.net/cinder/+milestone/liberty-1 | 16:01 |
| thingee | 29 bps and 134 bug fixes | 16:01 |
| thingee | 134! | 16:01 |
| flip214 | old bugs, or new ones? | 16:01 |
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| jungleboyj | Wow. | 16:01 |
| ameade | o/ | 16:02 |
| flip214 | ie. bugs from kilo fixed? | 16:02 |
| vincent_hou_ | Wow | 16:02 |
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| thingee | flip214: these were bugs that were targeted and then later there's a script that catches the ones that were in the l-1 time frame | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | o/ | 16:02 |
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| flip214 | thanks for clarifying! | 16:02 |
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| thingee | so awesome job everyone | 16:03 |
| thingee | :) | 16:03 |
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| thingee | alright lets get started with the agenda! | 16:03 |
| thingee | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings#Next_meeting | 16:03 |
| thingee | #topic volume migration | 16:03 |
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| thingee | vincent_hou_, jungleboyj hi! | 16:03 |
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| vincent_hou_ | HI | 16:03 |
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| asselin | o/ | 16:03 |
| thingee | backend rename: | 16:03 |
| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/180873/ | 16:04 |
| vincent_hou_ | Yes | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | Hey. | 16:04 |
| thingee | spec: | 16:04 |
| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186327/ | 16:04 |
| * jungleboyj looks at vincent_hou_ | 16:04 | |
| vincent_hou_ | I think it is ready | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:04 |
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| vincent_hou_ | I need reviews from cinder folks. | 16:04 |
| vincent_hou_ | about the back-end rename. | 16:04 |
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| thingee | jgriffith: around? | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | vincent_hou_: Ok, we can work ong etting reviews done. | 16:05 |
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| erlon | vincent_hou_: back-end rename? | 16:05 |
| vincent_hou_ | It is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/180873/ | 16:06 |
| vincent_hou_ | AKA Implement the update_migrated_volume. | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | kjnelson: Will look as well. | 16:07 |
| erlon | vincent_hou_: ok, ill test this and implent on our drivers too | 16:07 |
| vincent_hou_ | erlon: Yeah | 16:07 |
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| erlon | vincent_hou_: are you workign on the tempest tests too? | 16:08 |
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| vincent_hou_ | And for the spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186327/, I have already started working on it and target it for L-2. Hope the spec can be merged. | 16:08 |
| vincent_hou_ | erlon: It is in the spec, and I am just about to start the tempest. | 16:09 |
| thingee | vincent_hou_: how are you going to have gate tests of migrating from storwize to lvm, etc? | 16:09 |
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| vincent_hou_ | thingee: I will do the case from one LVM to another LVM, and from Storwize to LVM. Jay and I are working the use cases now. | 16:10 |
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| erlon | vincent_hou_: ok, for the spec impl you need volume multi-attach to be merged in nova right? | 16:11 |
| thingee | vincent_hou_: I get that. How are you going to do that though? | 16:11 |
| vincent_hou_ | thingee: I plan to get the devstack running with multiple backend | 16:11 |
| thingee | vincent_hou_: infra does not have storwize machines | 16:11 |
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| thingee | so I'm not sure how you can gate on that case | 16:12 |
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| jungleboyj | thingee: I don't think we were planning to gate on that. | 16:12 |
| vincent_hou_ | thingee: that is part of the work I am looking on. | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | Planning to add it to the Storwize CI so it would get tested there. | 16:12 |
| thingee | jungleboyj: should update the spec on that then ;) | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: :-) | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: Yes sir. | 16:12 |
| DuncanT | Ceph to and from LVM we can gate on though | 16:12 |
| thingee | it's listed under "tempest and gate tests" | 16:12 |
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| thingee | DuncanT: good idea! | 16:12 |
| jbernard | that's on my todo list | 16:13 |
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| thingee | #idea have ceph to lvm migration in gate | 16:13 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: ++ | 16:13 |
| erlon | thingee: +1 | 16:13 |
| flip214 | vincent_hou_: perhaps we can get lvm <=> DRBD migration working, too. | 16:13 |
| thingee | lets update the spec and get some plus ones on this if we're in agreement. would like to see this merged this week | 16:13 |
| vincent_hou_ | That is great. | 16:14 |
| winston-d | only possible when jbernard's generic migration change lands | 16:14 |
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| thingee | vincent_hou_, jungleboyj thanks, anything else? | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | winston-d: Do you have a link? | 16:14 |
| vincent_hou_ | That is all from me. | 16:14 |
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| erlon | winston-d: do you have the link? | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: All sounds great. Thank you! | 16:15 |
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| thingee | winston-d: what do you mean? | 16:15 |
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| eharney | i'm also lost on the link between this spec and jbernard's generic migration work | 16:15 |
| jbernard | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187270/ | 16:16 |
| geguileo | eharney: To test on the gates migration between different backends | 16:16 |
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| thingee | jbernard, winston-d: can someone explain why this is a dependency? | 16:16 |
| winston-d | thingee: ceph doesn't support migration yet | 16:16 |
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| winston-d | thingee: that's why | 16:16 |
| hemna | mornin | 16:16 |
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| thingee | winston-d: ah ha so it doesn't. shows what I know | 16:17 |
| jbernard | thingee: that patch adds file I/O migration support, which allows ceph to participate | 16:17 |
| thingee | #info generic volume migration is needed to support volume migration with ceph in gate https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187270/ | 16:18 |
| winston-d | thingee: yes, jbernard has made good progress. rbd connector is landing. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187270/ is basically functional | 16:18 |
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| thingee | ok thanks | 16:19 |
| thingee | #topic reminder book rooms for midcycle meetup | 16:19 |
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| thingee | scottda: hi | 16:19 |
| thingee | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-liberty-midcycle-meetup | 16:19 |
| scottda | hi | 16:19 |
| scottda | Just a friendly reminder... | 16:19 |
| scottda | Discount rooms are available, but only until Next Friday July 3rd. | 16:20 |
| scottda | and 10 at $99 at one hotel, 10 at $139 at the other. | 16:20 |
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| scottda | So book it, since I hate to see people pay $200+ | 16:20 |
| scottda | that's all. | 16:20 |
| thingee | #action thingee to email dev list about this reminder | 16:20 |
| thingee | thanks scottda ! | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | scottda: Thanks for getting those set up! | 16:21 |
| ameade | awesome ty | 16:21 |
| thingee | #topic Changes to how Nova calls Cinder volume detach | 16:21 |
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| thingee | scottda: hi! | 16:21 |
| scottda | hi | 16:21 |
| kmartin | if you're attending please add your name to the list https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-liberty-midcycle-meetup | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | scottda: How is the wireless? | 16:21 |
| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/84048/44 | 16:21 |
| hemna | jungleboyj, it worked last time | 16:21 |
| scottda | I was warned that someone was going to sneak a wifi jammer into the meetup... | 16:21 |
| scottda | I am having HP security strip search this *somebody* | 16:22 |
| * jungleboyj whistles innocently. | 16:22 | |
| janonymous_ | +1 | 16:22 |
| scottda | Anyway... | 16:22 |
| scottda | Some notes under Future of 'nova volume-detach https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/CinderNovaAPI | 16:22 |
| jungleboyj | oooooh. | 16:22 |
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| scottda | Nova devs are proposing changing the way volume detach works | 16:22 |
| thingee | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/CinderNovaAPI | 16:22 |
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| scottda | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/84048/44 is a Nova spec that discusses this. | 16:23 |
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| scottda | Basically, they questioned whether Nova could just 1) call libvirt.volume_detach.... | 16:23 |
| scottda | 2) delete entry from Nova BlockDeviceMapping | 16:23 |
| scottda | 3) tell Cinder that Nova has detached and Cinder can do whatever it wants | 16:23 |
| scottda | 4) Run away, without caring what happens on the Cinder side. | 16:24 |
| hemna | scottda, leeantho and I found another major problem with Nova's usage of Cinder yesterday that we should talk about. and it affects volume detaches, specifically for FC currently. | 16:24 |
| hemna | so Nova needs to call cinder's terminate_connection though | 16:24 |
| scottda | hemna: OK. Let's also get all this in the etherpad | 16:24 |
| erlon | scottda: what does the current implentaion do? wait for cinder status? | 16:24 |
| janonymous_ | can i attend meetup ? | 16:24 |
| hemna | because simply calling libvirt.volume_detach will have volumes show back up on the host | 16:24 |
| hemna | and leave them dangling | 16:24 |
| thingee | janonymous_: anyone can | 16:24 |
| hemna | specifically for iSCSI volumes, that will defintely happen | 16:25 |
| janonymous_ | what's the venue ? | 16:25 |
| dulek | janonymous_: All the info is here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-liberty-midcycle-meetup | 16:25 |
| hemna | if the cinder driver doesn't get a chance to terminate_connection (un export the volume from the array), then iSCSI volumes can show back up on the compute host. | 16:25 |
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| hemna | especially if there are other iSCSI sessions to that same host | 16:26 |
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| scottda | I understand. We need to make sure we are communicating all these known issues to Nova | 16:26 |
| hemna | the scsi subsystem will get a rescan and then that volume will show back up. | 16:26 |
| janonymous_ | i hv to pay to attend meeting ? | 16:26 |
| hemna | the nova -> cinder interactions are so broken :( | 16:26 |
| kmartin | janonymous_, it's free | 16:26 |
| scottda | hemna: I agree. I tried to slow all of this down... | 16:26 |
| hemna | live migration is a mess as well | 16:26 |
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| scottda | I think it is very rushed to try to get this fix in without a broader plan. | 16:27 |
| hemna | scottda, yah | 16:27 |
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| winston-d | janonymous_: you can save meetup question in #openstack-cinder channel, let's not hijack scottda's agenda | 16:27 |
| hemna | we need to really discuss this at the meetup I think | 16:27 |
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| hemna | I'm probably going to have to put a fix/change in os-brick to try and compensate for some of the nova badness at this point. | 16:27 |
| scottda | agreed. I at least wanted to bring this up because of proposed changes to Nova | 16:27 |
| janonymous_ | m sry... jst wanted to know hw it works.. please continue | 16:27 |
| scottda | WE can, of course, make note in the patch review | 16:28 |
| winston-d | scottda, hemna: i'm going through all our attach/detach support tickets as well as Nova code | 16:28 |
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| winston-d | scottda: will add notes to etherpad and reviews | 16:28 |
| hemna | scottda, winston-d specifically, this is broken in several ways: https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/virt/block_device.py#L281-L294 | 16:28 |
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| hemna | that code is called multiple times during live migration | 16:28 |
| scottda | Well, we've the ongoing work and that is good. Perhaps interested persons (hemna , winstond-d) could weigh in on that Nova spec to make sure they don't go down this road.. | 16:29 |
| hemna | and it loses information in the BDM for FC attaches | 16:29 |
| geguileo | I believe delayed detach is also broken | 16:29 |
| scottda | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/84048/4 | 16:29 |
| hemna | scottda, ok I'll take a look at it | 16:29 |
| geguileo | I hear it fails 100% of the time | 16:29 |
| scottda | thanks. | 16:29 |
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| scottda | That's all. Just trying to make folks aware that this is going on in Nova. | 16:29 |
| hemna | leeantho and I have been doing some live migration testing with os-brick patch and found some this stuff. it's bad mmmkay | 16:30 |
| scottda | hemna: winston-d we can carry on our work and discuss at the mid-cycle. | 16:30 |
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| hemna | the bdm's are losing data, and they don't even know it. :( | 16:30 |
| scottda | shorter list is: What is not broken in cinder <-> nova API? | 16:30 |
| hemna | heh | 16:31 |
| winston-d | scottda: sure, thx. i will definitely join the discussion. | 16:31 |
| ameade | +1 | 16:31 |
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| geguileo | XD | 16:31 |
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| scottda | OK. I'm done. | 16:31 |
| thingee | scottda: thanks :) | 16:31 |
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| thingee | #topic VersionedObjects + DateTime fields - timezone aware or not? | 16:31 |
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| thingee | dulek: hi | 16:31 |
| hemna | I don't think most driver developers know that Nova can randomly call the driver's initialize_connection, with no intentions of attaching a volume, but simply to build the connection_info of that volume. :(!! | 16:31 |
| dulek | hi! | 16:31 |
| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/183222/7/cinder/test.py | 16:31 |
| ameade | hemna: bit us once | 16:32 |
| dulek | This is simple question - are our DB datetime fields timezone aware? | 16:32 |
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| dulek | geguileo proposed solution from the link to be able to compare datetime fields in tests. | 16:33 |
| smcginnis | My understanding was UTC everywhere. | 16:33 |
| thingee | ditto | 16:33 |
| akerr | +1 for UTC | 16:33 |
| tbarron | smcginnis: ++ | 16:33 |
| scottda | +1 UTC | 16:33 |
| kmartin | UTC +1 | 16:33 |
| geguileo | The problem with tests is sqlite does not support timezones | 16:33 |
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| geguileo | So when you try to update a date from an object oslo versioned_objects will fail on a comparison | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: So as long as everything is stored in UTC, it doesn't matter if the DB supports it. | 16:34 |
| dulek | But it matters for datetime objects. | 16:34 |
| * e0ne searching cross-project guideline for it | 16:34 | |
| dulek | datetime objects can be either timezone aware or not | 16:34 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: Yeah, but I was refering to why that code was needed in the test | 16:34 |
| thingee | e0ne: thanks :) | 16:34 |
| DuncanT | dulek: Just touch the DB layer to decorate all dates coming out of the DB with UTC timezone | 16:34 |
| e0ne | https://github.com/openstack/api-wg/blob/master/guidelines/time.rst | 16:35 |
| e0ne | #link https://github.com/openstack/api-wg/blob/master/guidelines/time.rst | 16:35 |
| dulek | this means - do datetime objects *know* that they are in UTC? | 16:35 |
| ameade | dulek: they can, they can also be TZ naive | 16:35 |
| thingee | e0ne: well that's api | 16:35 |
| thingee | that's not what's stored in the db | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | If I remember right they assume they are in the local machines TZ unless told otherwise. | 16:35 |
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| e0ne | thingee: yes:(. storing in DB was removed in review request for it:( | 16:36 |
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| eharney | can't we do what DuncanT says, and just stamp any that aren't tz-aware with UTC? | 16:36 |
| e0ne | thingee: i hope, we use UTC everywhere | 16:36 |
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| dulek | Okay so which solution's better now. | 16:36 |
| dulek | First - objects are tz aware and we're using geguileo's hack for tests? | 16:37 |
| geguileo | dulek: Apparently patching DB access is the winner for tests | 16:37 |
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| ameade | oslo.utils.timeutils.normalize_time | 16:37 |
| dulek | Second - we're changing datetime fields to be not timezone aware | 16:37 |
| dulek | Like here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/160417/31/cinder/objects/base.py | 16:37 |
| thangp | oslo_versionedobjects assumes that it UTC by default - https://github.com/openstack/oslo.versionedobjects/blob/master/oslo_versionedobjects/fields.py#L328 | 16:37 |
| e0ne | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/159854/ - related changes in cinder | 16:37 |
| ameade | """Normalize time in arbitrary timezone to UTC naive object.""" | 16:37 |
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| thingee | ameade: +1 | 16:38 |
| dulek | thangp: Yes, the problem is "and self.tzinfo_aware" | 16:38 |
| dulek | thingee, ameade: I don't think this will help us, we need to stick to oslo_versionedobjects conventions. | 16:39 |
| thangp | dulek: tzinfo_aware=True in L310 | 16:39 |
| dulek | thangp: Yes, but you also can set it to False when defining a field. | 16:40 |
| dulek | So do anyone have a preference for first and second solution I've mentioned? | 16:40 |
| ameade | second one | 16:40 |
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| geguileo | dulek: Second one | 16:40 |
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| thangp | dulek: true, so we should just use the default tzinfo_aware=True based on this feedback | 16:41 |
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| thangp | dulek: or just take the default which already has it as True | 16:41 |
| dulek | So ameade and geguileo are for tzinfo_aware=False, thangp thinks otherwise. Anyone else? | 16:42 |
| thingee | why do we want tz aware? | 16:42 |
| geguileo | thingee: No reason that I can think of :) | 16:43 |
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| smcginnis | thingee: +1 | 16:43 |
| dulek | thingee: Frankly I don't know, I've hoped someone will help me on that. ;) | 16:43 |
| jungleboyj | geguileo: ++ | 16:43 |
| ameade | can't https://github.com/openstack/oslo.versionedobjects/blob/master/oslo_versionedobjects/fields.py#L328 just be calling normalize_time? | 16:43 |
| thingee | thangp: do you have reservations on tz aware? | 16:43 |
| ameade | i strongly dislike even the existence of timezones lol | 16:43 |
| xek | dulek, I also think tzinfo_aware=False is the right solution, especially since the problems arose with the current implementation, which is not tzinfo aware | 16:43 |
| eharney | it seems like the difference is tz_aware=True means you track that it's UTC up front, and tz_aware=False means that you assume it's UTC later when you use the information? | 16:43 |
| thangp | if your services are distributed across different continents, then maybe | 16:43 |
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| dulek | ameade: Probably can't - it's in oslo, some projects may want not to use UTC. | 16:44 |
| xek | dulek, the awareness of timezones can be added later, in a separate patch | 16:44 |
| dulek | eharney: Correct. | 16:44 |
| thingee | thangp: can you clarify what eharney asked? | 16:44 |
| thingee | dulek, thangp oh nevermind thanks | 16:44 |
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| eharney | just as a general smell test, i'd worry more about problems coming from the latter, but i'm not going to claim i'm an expert on this | 16:44 |
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| thangp | the current cinder object base uses the default | 16:45 |
| DuncanT | `15 minute warning (though this is the last agenda item) | 16:45 |
| thingee | I guess we're in agreement with the default | 16:45 |
| thangp | where tzinfo_aware=True, and so puts the timezone as UTC | 16:45 |
| dulek | thangp: Yes, that's because snapshot tests apparently doesn't compare dates. | 16:45 |
| thangp | dulek: yup, but volumes does | 16:45 |
| thangp | dulek: and that was a pain to update all those | 16:46 |
| geguileo | dulek: It's not comparison between objects, it's comparison in oslo library | 16:46 |
| geguileo | dulek: When saving an object to sqlite | 16:46 |
| geguileo | Ok, so tz aware objects or no? | 16:47 |
| geguileo | s/no/not | 16:47 |
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| dulek | :D | 16:47 |
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| thangp | so I can go either way. but if we are to use tzinfo_aware=False, then it should be done in the cinder base object code, where you specify tzinfo_aware=False in the fields | 16:47 |
| dulek | thangp: That's right. | 16:47 |
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| dulek | thingee mentioned that we're in agreement to have default - that would mean tz aware objects. Does everyone have that feeling? | 16:47 |
| geguileo | thangp: We agree on that | 16:48 |
| thangp | https://github.com/openstack/cinder/blob/master/cinder/objects/base.py#L90 | 16:48 |
| geguileo | thangp: But first we must decide | 16:48 |
| thingee | geguileo: I think the kwarg is confusing unless I'm still not understanding things, but if true means utc upfront, I think that's what we're agreeing on | 16:48 |
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| geguileo | thingee: I'm not sure that we are agreeing... | 16:48 |
| geguileo | dulek and eharney Wanted to patch DB access for tests | 16:49 |
| geguileo | And others wanted to change objects to be time zone unaware | 16:49 |
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| dulek | Well, actually I don't feel like having a preference now. ;) | 16:50 |
| geguileo | dulek: XD | 16:50 |
| dulek | Someone please flip a coin? | 16:50 |
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| ameade | not sure i can pick a side lol | 16:51 |
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| xek | dulek, I think the decision is yours :) | 16:51 |
| thangp | it we assume UTC for everything, then tzinfo_aware should be True | 16:51 |
| thangp | *if | 16:51 |
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| thingee | thangp: I've said that twice now, but I'm invisible right now :) | 16:52 |
| smcginnis | Should it even matter? | 16:52 |
| thingee | that's what i'm saying. why does this matter? | 16:52 |
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| thangp | thingee: :) | 16:52 |
| dulek | thingee: I think we need cosistent approach with all VersionedObjects work. | 16:52 |
| thangp | thingee: this is really just to have unit tests pass | 16:52 |
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| ameade | i thought it was because the tests or something are using sqlite which has naive datetimes | 16:52 |
| dulek | Okay, let's stick to tz_aware=True and UT hack. | 16:52 |
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| geguileo | dulek: Ok, lets leave the objects as they are (tz aware) and I'll find the way to patch the DB access to datetime fields | 16:53 |
| dulek | And we're done. :) | 16:53 |
| eharney | i really think that leaving them tz aware is a better payoff than avoiding hacking tests for sqlite | 16:53 |
| thingee | I'm your coin. I gave you tails both times for tz_aware. :D | 16:53 |
| ameade | yeah UT shouldn't even be hitting the db right? so it's a non-issue? | 16:53 |
| dulek | thingee: Thanks. :D | 16:53 |
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| thingee | #topic open discussion | 16:54 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: ++ | 16:54 |
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| dulek | #agreed: Datetime fields in objects should be timezone aware. | 16:54 |
| tbarron | ameade: ++ :-) | 16:54 |
| thingee | doh | 16:54 |
| tbarron | mock | 16:54 |
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| tbarron | but we know lots of them do | 16:54 |
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| * jungleboyj was hoping jgriffith would be here. Wondering how the replication code is coming. | 16:54 | |
| ameade | i'll be on vacation next week so I will try to leave all the APIImpact reviews in a good state (since i'm the API WG liason) | 16:54 |
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| ameade | also, thank you to the folks who worked on the CI scoreboard, it's really helpful...patrickeast | 16:55 |
| jungleboyj | ameade: ++ | 16:56 |
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| smcginnis | haypo isn't here, but the question came up earlier about making the py34 gate test voting. | 16:56 |
| smcginnis | My response was to wait for stability first. | 16:56 |
| smcginnis | Just want to make sure there's agreement on that. | 16:56 |
| patrickeast | ameade: jungleboyj: if you guys like it, make sure to check out https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194437/ | 16:56 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ | 16:56 |
| smcginnis | I think I have yet to see it actually pass. | 16:56 |
| patrickeast | its a spec to get it hosted by infra | 16:56 |
| thingee | smcginnis: +1 | 16:56 |
| eharney | smcginnis: the idea is to have it passing on a known-good subset of tests | 16:57 |
| ameade | patrickeast: right on | 16:57 |
| eharney | smcginnis: so i assume that establishing that that is stable shouldn't take long | 16:57 |
| cebruns | patrickeast: +1 - very cool. | 16:57 |
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| smcginnis | eharney: I would hope so too, but I definitely don't think it's ready to be voting yet. | 16:57 |
| eharney | smcginnis: if we wait very long, the complaints will start about having to re-fix py34 from new breakages | 16:58 |
| smcginnis | For the record, I do want to see it there and have compatibility. | 16:58 |
| eharney | people just need to understand that that's the tradeoff being made | 16:58 |
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| smcginnis | But if everything has been "fixed" and the test still isn't passing, I think enabling voting would be a nightmare. | 16:58 |
| liuxg | ameade: Where can I find the CI dcoreboard? Is there a link? | 16:59 |
| eharney | smcginnis: we just merged the fix to make it work today? | 16:59 |
| asselin | liuxg, https://git.openstack.org/cgit/stackforge/third-party-ci-tools/ | 16:59 |
| asselin | https://git.openstack.org/cgit/stackforge/third-party-ci-tools/tree/monitoring/scoreboard | 16:59 |
| aarefiev | smcginnis: py34 job will run only subset of test, that already fixed | 16:59 |
| ameade | liuxg: http://ec2-54-67-102-119.us-west-1.compute.amazonaws.com:5000/ | 16:59 |
| thingee | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 24 17:00:02 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| thingee | thanks everyone | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-06-24-16.00.html | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-06-24-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-06-24-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
| jungleboyj | Thanks, good meeting! | 17:00 |
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| geguileo | Thanks! | 17:00 |
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| dulek | Bye! | 17:00 |
| vincent_hou_ | bye | 17:00 |
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| MooingLemur | 🐄 | 21:00 |
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| notmyname | swift team meeting time | 21:00 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 24 21:00:47 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
| notmyname | hello everyone | 21:00 |
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| peluse | hola | 21:01 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:01 |
| notmyname | who's here for the swift meeting? | 21:01 |
| kota_ | hello | 21:01 |
| cschwede | o/ | 21:01 |
| MooingLemur | yo | 21:01 |
| minwoob_ | o/ | 21:01 |
| jrichli | o/ | 21:01 |
| blmartin | o/ | 21:01 |
| hurricanerix | o/ | 21:01 |
| dmorita | Hi | 21:01 |
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| tdasilva | hello | 21:01 |
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| torgomatic | 👾 | 21:01 |
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| notmyname | ok, another full agendat this week. let's get started and see if we can make good progress | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:02 |
| acoles | hi | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | first up: hackathon info | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | #link https://www.eventbrite.com/e/swift-hackathon-tickets-17308818141 | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | week of august 10 in austin | 21:02 |
| cutforth_ | hello | 21:03 |
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| mattoliverau | yay summer in TX! | 21:03 |
| jrichli | yay :-) | 21:03 |
| notmyname | as always, this is designed to be productive and review code, design stuff, catch up, etc | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | the only "rules" are no powerpoint and no intro to swift topics ;-) | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | thanks to IBM and jrichli for hosting | 21:04 |
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| jrichli | yw! | 21:04 |
| notmyname | if you have any questions about the hackathon, feel free to ask me or jrichli | 21:04 |
| hurricanerix | mattoliverau: summer in TX isn't that bad, everyone has AC. =) | 21:04 |
| peluse | can we get the city air conditioned by any chance? | 21:04 |
| clayg | hi | 21:04 |
| jrichli | peluse: lol | 21:04 |
| wbhuber | peluse: wear tank tops and shorts and sandals, then you'd be fine. | 21:05 |
| wbhuber | :) | 21:05 |
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| tdasilva | under armor tank tops | 21:05 |
| notmyname | next up... | 21:05 |
| peluse | wel, its like 112F here today so I guess I can handle it :) | 21:05 |
| wbhuber | peluse: you're an Arizonian, aren't you? | 21:05 |
| notmyname | #topic priority reviews | 21:05 |
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| peluse | tdasilva, lol! know me too well | 21:05 |
| notmyname | good news is that the 1+ object server per disk landed, along with the ring port patch | 21:05 |
| MooingLemur | peluse is AZ? *waves from Central/Osborn* | 21:05 |
| peluse | no way, cool! chandler | 21:06 |
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| notmyname | please take a look at the review dashboard for starred patches and the "needs final approval" patches | 21:06 |
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| notmyname | there are a _lot_ in the latter category | 21:06 |
| * peluse slides down in chair... been sucked up in non-sense for the last week or so... | 21:07 | |
| clayg | notmyname: do you have the ec bug list? | 21:07 |
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| notmyname | #link http://goo.gl/8IUcKl | 21:07 |
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| clayg | notmyname: I think peluse landed the keyerror fix | 21:07 |
| notmyname | clayg: ya, we;ll get there next topic | 21:07 |
| clayg | oh :\ | 21:07 |
| mattoliverau | peluse: +1 (me too) | 21:07 |
| notmyname | great! | 21:07 |
| acoles | peluse: you and me too | 21:07 |
| notmyname | before we get to bugs... | 21:07 |
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| notmyname | looking at the landed specs, any updates from that ongoing work? encryption, fast-post, part power, symlinks, notifications? | 21:08 |
| peluse | qq: what hapened to the increase ring part power spec? I thought it was a spec that acoles had submitted, no? | 21:08 |
| notmyname | peluse: http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/swift-specs/specs/in_progress/increasing_partition_power.html ? | 21:09 |
| clayg | notmyname: with acoles mia - I'd say fast-post is at risk, jrichli probably also needs more help with encryption (acoles was key there as well) | 21:09 |
| mattoliverau | It's landed cause it's something we want to do.. at some point.. if i remember correctly | 21:09 |
| clayg | peluse: I think we were sliding that one before we even left the summit | 21:09 |
| cschwede | notmyname: i’m working on notifications. takes some time though | 21:09 |
| peluse | Oh, OK. confused me to not see it on the dashboard | 21:09 |
| notmyname | cschwede: cool | 21:09 |
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| notmyname | peluse: check http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/swift-specs/ for landed ones | 21:09 |
| notmyname | or the top of the priority review wiki page | 21:10 |
| acoles | clayg: yeah sorry i'm down a rabbit hole on internal stuff but wanting to get back on it asap | 21:10 |
| peluse | gracias | 21:10 |
| notmyname | jrichli: you've split up some of your encryption work. can you talk about it now? | 21:10 |
| joeljwright1 | clayg: spoke to acoles earlier this week - he said he's super busy atm | 21:10 |
| jrichli | sure, There are new reviews that are more modular and easier to review | 21:10 |
| jrichli | trivial keymaster: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/193749/ | 21:10 |
| jrichli | cryptography module: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/193826/ | 21:10 |
| clayg | acoles: that's great news - i wasn't expecting to hear that - it's definately no hard feelings - but acoles not being 100% is a thing you have to plan around - because acoles @ 100% is a HUGE impact | 21:10 |
| jrichli | encrypter and decrypter for obj body: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194191/ | 21:10 |
| notmyname | clayg: +1 :-) | 21:10 |
| jrichli | it would really help me to get some feedback to work on | 21:11 |
| joeljwright1 | acoles: didn;'t spot you in here | 21:11 |
| notmyname | jrichli: looks like those a part of a chain | 21:11 |
| peluse | acoles, jrichli : mahati starts Jul 6 and wil be able to jump in help on crypto if that works for you guys | 21:11 |
| clayg | joeljwright1: acoles: I shouldn't have said MIA - acoles was so gracious to give us all the heads up | 21:11 |
| jrichli | you dont have to cover everything: just some things for me to improve | 21:11 |
| acoles | clayg: mia but making tracks back to the front line as soon as i can ;) | 21:11 |
| notmyname | looks like the first blocker on encryption is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/158401/5 | 21:12 |
| clayg | notmyname: peluse: cschwede: we talked at the summit spreading too thing - we have some more help now - but there's still a lot of ground to cover - we need to pick some winners and stay on them (i.e. jrichli needs our support) | 21:12 |
| jrichli | peluse: good to hear, thanks! | 21:12 |
| acoles | joeljwright1: just lurking | 21:12 |
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| notmyname | yes. and encryption is a thing that should be one of the ones emphasized in the short term | 21:13 |
| clayg | notmyname: ok - i have patch 158401 open - i'll get eyes on it today | 21:13 |
| patchbot | clayg: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/158401/ | 21:13 |
| notmyname | clayg: thanks | 21:13 |
| clayg | notmyname: it's only 322 lines ;) | 21:13 |
| jrichli | clayg : thanks!!! | 21:13 |
| notmyname | clayg: also, it's on the feature branch, not master :-) | 21:13 |
| clayg | jrichli: if it's all nits - can I just push over? | 21:13 |
| jrichli | sure | 21:13 |
| clayg | cschwede: looks like you had eyes on it too - anything you want to point out that's maybe not in the review? | 21:14 |
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| notmyname | mattoliverau: you're working with hurricanerix on large container DBs for cotainer sharding? | 21:15 |
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| cschwede | clayg: hmm, i think i added my concern to the review. nothing else afair, but i’ll have another look tomorrow | 21:15 |
| mattoliverau | yeah, hurricanerix is awesome and helping me out there :) | 21:15 |
| notmyname | good | 21:15 |
| notmyname | anything else from anyone on ongoing work? | 21:16 |
| joeljwright1 | while we're talking about bugs | 21:16 |
| joeljwright1 | could really do with some help here | 21:16 |
| joeljwright1 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189815/ | 21:16 |
| acoles | clayg: cschwede jrichli re patch 158401 I'll look at any fixes needed tomorrow unless clayg pushes them over first | 21:16 |
| patchbot | acoles: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/158401/ | 21:16 |
| joeljwright1 | the test fail seems genuine, but no idea what's causing it | 21:16 |
| peluse | FYI I have some partial PUT error handling code (on the GET side) for Ec about 30% done that I should b able to get back on by Fri or Mon at he latest | 21:16 |
| acoles | cschwede: sorry i didnt get back to your comments on that one sooner | 21:16 |
| notmyname | peluse: good | 21:17 |
| clayg | acoles: yeah i'll probably push to address cschwede's concerns and leave a +2 for one of you eu guys to +A | 21:17 |
| clayg | *progress* | 21:17 |
| notmyname | great! | 21:17 |
| notmyname | thanks acoles clayg cschwede | 21:17 |
| acoles | clayg: cool | 21:17 |
| notmyname | time to move on to bugs? | 21:17 |
| cschwede | regarding the patch joeljwright1 mentioned - it’s super strange, is if there is some other client using a named arg | 21:17 |
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| peluse | and 3x plus EC perf numbers are roling in as we speak... will get it all published once its done. On track for end of this week (well, then a few days to sort/post somewhere) | 21:17 |
| notmyname | #topic bugs | 21:18 |
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| wbhuber | peluse: where would you post the EC perfor numbers? | 21:18 |
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| peluse | beats me :) notmyname where do you want this stuff? will ahve pictures as well | 21:18 |
| wbhuber | mine is about 95% done - need to trim some extraneous fat around the results. | 21:18 |
| clayg | yay pcitures! | 21:18 |
| notmyname | peluse: let's figure that out over email this week | 21:18 |
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| peluse | with circles and arrows and everything :) | 21:19 |
| peluse | OK | 21:19 |
| wbhuber | notmyname: peluse: can you include me on that regard plz? | 21:19 |
| peluse | you bet | 21:19 |
| notmyname | wbhuber: not to hide it. just to figure out the best place to put it :-) | 21:19 |
| notmyname | everyone will be included in seeign the results :-) | 21:19 |
| wbhuber | notmyname: lol | 21:19 |
| wbhuber | thought "email" was outside the domain | 21:19 |
| clayg | joeljwright1: does patch 189815 *really* help the docs - or it's like work in preperation to help the docs? | 21:20 |
| patchbot | clayg: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189815/ | 21:20 |
| notmyname | kota_: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194518/ is an item you added to the meeting agenda. a test for ssync | 21:20 |
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| kota_ | ah, yes but it's not so big one I think | 21:20 |
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| kota_ | the related patch is priority and | 21:21 |
| joeljwright1 | clayg: 189815 just reduces the number of names we use for 'object_name' by 1 | 21:21 |
| notmyname | kota_: and it already landed | 21:21 |
| acoles | joeljwright1: i know louis i'll ping him to find out what its all about | 21:21 |
| notmyname | acoles: thansk | 21:21 |
| kota_ | yes | 21:21 |
| joeljwright1 | acoles: the patch is fair | 21:21 |
| kota_ | too late, I was playing the patch | 21:21 |
| joeljwright1 | acoles: the failure of gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-src-python-swiftclient is bloody confusing | 21:21 |
| mikal | How often do the "updates from global requirements" jobs happen? | 21:21 |
| notmyname | mikal: lots | 21:22 |
| * mikal can't see an update from nova for the change yesterday | 21:22 | |
| kota_ | I was playing that I deleted some lines from patch but all tests are passed succusessfully | 21:22 |
| kota_ | around here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189815/ | 21:22 |
| mikal | So I assume I am waiting for cron somewhere | 21:22 |
| joeljwright1 | acoles: all the patch does is rename 'obj' to 'name' in non-kwarg use in the client.py code3 | 21:22 |
| peluse | acoles, while we on bugs can you take another look at this low hanging fruit patch 185459 | 21:22 |
| patchbot | peluse: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/185459/ | 21:22 |
| kota_ | oh no | 21:22 |
| kota_ | here https://github.com/openstack/swift/blob/master/swift/obj/ssync_receiver.py#L354-L356 | 21:22 |
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| peluse | kota_, hey, thanks for the +2 on that one :) | 21:22 |
| notmyname | ok. we've got about 3 things going on at once here | 21:22 |
| * notmyname is getting confused ;-) | 21:23 | |
| acoles | peluse: sure will do | 21:23 |
| peluse | only three jobs man?? | 21:23 |
| notmyname | acoles: will help look at the patch that is failing that joeljwright1 brought up | 21:23 |
| * peluse in his best jamiacan accent | 21:23 | |
| notmyname | right? | 21:23 |
| notmyname | or was that cschwede? | 21:23 |
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| acoles | notmyname: will try to | 21:23 |
| notmyname | thansk | 21:23 |
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| joeljwright1 | notmyname: cschwede looked at it | 21:24 |
| notmyname | joeljwright1: ah, ok | 21:24 |
| joeljwright1 | notmyname: we're both confused | 21:24 |
| kragniz | I saw I got a ping in here | 21:24 |
| mattoliverau | mikal: your not on infra :P | 21:24 |
| * cschwede cschwede is confused about the patch failing | 21:24 | |
| acoles | oh if cschwede didn't figure it i have no chance :) | 21:24 |
| kragniz | joeljwright1: yeah, I have no idea why it's failing | 21:24 |
| mikal | mattoliverau: yeah, I just figured that out, I was hoping to slink away unnoticed... | 21:24 |
| acoles | kragniz: hey! | 21:24 |
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| mattoliverau | mikal: too bad!.. tho you can fire me :P | 21:24 |
| kragniz | the patch doesn't really do anything | 21:24 |
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| joeljwright1 | kragniz: thanks for taking a look, we're all at a total loss | 21:25 |
| kragniz | acoles: hey there! | 21:25 |
| cschwede | i still think some lib is using swiftclient with a keyword arg. that’s the only reason i can think of | 21:25 |
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| joeljwright1 | cschwede: would love to track it down | 21:26 |
| joeljwright1 | cschwede: but I'm super busy for a software release atm and no time to dig for hours | 21:26 |
| cschwede | it’s not cinder and glance, if i didn’t miss anything there - checked the code | 21:26 |
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| clayg | kragniz: joeljwright1: cschwede: sounds like a real mystery! which patch now? | 21:27 |
| notmyname | clayg: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/189815/ | 21:27 |
| joeljwright1 | clayg: the patch is so simple it should be a no-brainer | 21:27 |
| clayg | lol - yeah that's awesome - i totally imagined someone might be using named arguments and get bit by that | 21:28 |
| notmyname | ok, so what's the next step for this one? | 21:29 |
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| notmyname | do we need to talk to enutron people? | 21:29 |
| notmyname | *neutron | 21:29 |
| joeljwright1 | I guess so | 21:29 |
| clayg | what does neutron do with swift?! | 21:29 |
| joeljwright1 | it's one more step on making the swiftclient api easier to understand | 21:29 |
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| notmyname | clayg: no idea, but it's their gate job that's failing | 21:30 |
| clayg | can i download the whole logs? or do I have to wget? | 21:30 |
| peluse | hey, try changing 'name' to 'obj' and see what happens :) | 21:30 |
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| notmyname | joeljwright1: thanks for bringing it up. a nice mystery :-) | 21:31 |
| joeljwright1 | :) | 21:31 |
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| mattoliverau | looking at the failed test logs there are compute/nova client errors | 21:31 |
| joeljwright1 | it'll be nice if we solve it! | 21:31 |
| notmyname | ok, other bugs | 21:32 |
| notmyname | here's the EC bug list | 21:32 |
| notmyname | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bugs?field.tag=ec | 21:32 |
| notmyname | clayg: you wanted to comment on something here, ithink | 21:32 |
| swifterdarrell | joeljwright1: not sure how errors like "Details: {u'message': u'No valid host was found. There are not enough hosts available.', u'code': 500, u'created': u'2015-06-21T21:32:06Z'}" have anything to do with swiftclient? | 21:32 |
| joeljwright1 | swifterdarrell: me either, but honestly it seems to be repeatable! this thing is blowing my mind! | 21:33 |
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| clayg | awwwwzzz yeah i'm downloading now - -e robots=off was the key | 21:33 |
| clayg | comment on what? | 21:33 |
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| clayg | I think minwoob_ had a patch on ec | 21:34 |
| notmyname | clayg: an EC bug | 21:34 |
| clayg | it was somethign about not rebuilding something | 21:34 |
| clayg | there was a bug open for it | 21:34 |
| peluse | man, that list is too long | 21:34 |
| clayg | caused segfaults in liberasure | 21:34 |
| minwoob_ | clayg: It's for https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1452553 | 21:34 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1452553 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "don't rebuild existing fragments" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Minwoo Bae (minwoob) | 21:34 |
| notmyname | peluse: maybe there's some duplicates :-) | 21:34 |
| minwoob_ | clayg: The mixed_old_etag and mixed_new_etag tests aren't working with the bad response injected in. | 21:35 |
| peluse | yeah, I dunno. Once I get the PUT failure/GET changes posted I'll start on whatever is up there | 21:35 |
| minwoob_ | clayg: I've been trying to figure out why. | 21:35 |
| notmyname | minwoob_: do you have a patch in gerrit or just in the bug report? | 21:35 |
| minwoob_ | The initial patch is up there, but that one had 5 failing tests. | 21:35 |
| minwoob_ | I've brought it down to 2. | 21:35 |
| cschwede | swifterdarrell: joeljwright1: that error is because an image (or was it volume?) is missing, thus the node is not ready | 21:35 |
| clayg | minwoob_: oh RIGHT i had that gist to pull the frag index off the metadata in the ec fragments | 21:36 |
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| clayg | minwoob_: but i forget why that was important - your code would... noop or error or something if it got duplicates? | 21:37 |
| minwoob_ | Apparently that doesn't help for the bad response. | 21:37 |
| notmyname | for all the EC bugs listed on https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bugs?field.tag=ec, please look at the ones labeled "New" | 21:37 |
| notmyname | we need to either confirm them, get more info, or get a patch for them | 21:37 |
| notmyname | "new" status == needs attention from us (swift devs) | 21:37 |
| minwoob_ | clayg: Yeah. It would only find either 0 or 1 of 10 fragments available for reconstruction. | 21:37 |
| clayg | notmyname: yayayayayay!!! i love that link - can it go somewhere i already have book marked or do I need a new book mark for that? | 21:38 |
| peluse | clayg, minwoob_ not sure what the dups comment was but FYI the patch I'm working on (not posted yet) will handle getting dup frag indexes on GET | 21:38 |
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| notmyname | same with https://goo.gl/uO4b7l (python-swiftclient new bugs) | 21:38 |
| clayg | peluse: nice - minwoob_'s patch is in the reconstructor tho | 21:38 |
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| wbhuber | peluse: do you still plan to provide design thoughts on how to generally handle insufficient fragments: https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1457691 | 21:38 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1457691 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "Insufficient Fragments occurred on EC GET object" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Bill Huber (wbhuber) | 21:38 |
| notmyname | clayg: that's the LP search by tag link. new bookmark | 21:38 |
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| peluse | wbhuber, yeah I've just been scuked away for the last 10 days or so | 21:39 |
| clayg | notmyname: maybe here -> https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/PriorityReviews | 21:39 |
| notmyname | clayg: yeah, I'll them there | 21:39 |
| peluse | clayg, ahh, OK. wasn't sure | 21:39 |
| kota_ | minwoob: did you already see issue list on erasure code side? | 21:39 |
| kota_ | minwoob_: 194518 | 21:39 |
| kota_ | minwoob_: no | 21:40 |
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| notmyname | ok, let's spend no more than 5 more minute on bugs, then move on to the specs that are open | 21:40 |
| kota_ | minwoob_: https://bitbucket.org/tsg-/liberasurecode/commits/5e6592d557e6d2006fa0dc176049c196784b336f | 21:40 |
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| minwoob_ | clayg: I might just go ahead and post the next patch set, even though 2 of the original 5 tests are still failing. | 21:40 |
| notmyname | any other bugs to discuss? any resolution on what the next step is on these bugs we're talking about now? | 21:40 |
| clayg | minwoob_: sure that'd be great - i'm sure we can figure out the tests | 21:41 |
| notmyname | minwoob_: yeah, generally keeping the code in gerrit is better. it's the normal place people go look for it and it's easy to pull it down to test | 21:41 |
| minwoob_ | clayg: Okay. | 21:41 |
| notmyname | minwoob_: thanks | 21:41 |
| clayg | notmyname: i'll follow up and make sure minwoob_ has what he needs for the ec bug he's working on and go over the list of new ec bugs | 21:41 |
| minwoob_ | Sure. | 21:41 |
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| clayg | notmyname: someone else needs to help joeljwright1 | 21:41 |
| notmyname | clayg: thanks | 21:41 |
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| notmyname | joeljwright1: will be helped by acoles (as he's available) and cschwede has looked into it. I'll ping someone from neutron this afternoon | 21:42 |
| clayg | oh - is that all he needs - finding who's calling the swift client with named params? | 21:42 |
| notmyname | clayg: AFAICT | 21:42 |
| clayg | i'll probably know that as soon as my wget finishes | 21:42 |
| notmyname | any other bugs to raise in here this week? | 21:43 |
| notmyname | ok, moving on to specs | 21:44 |
| clayg | notmyname: what about the ring assigning duplicate partitions to same device? | 21:44 |
| notmyname | . | 21:44 |
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| notmyname | link? | 21:44 |
| clayg | idk | 21:44 |
| notmyname | :-) | 21:44 |
| clayg | https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1452431 | 21:44 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1452431 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "some parts replicas assigned to duplicate devices in the ring" [Undecided,New] | 21:44 |
| notmyname | thanks | 21:45 |
| clayg | notmyname: oh! it's tagged ec - nm so we're on it ;) | 21:45 |
| clayg | perfecto! go work bug triage man! | 21:45 |
| notmyname | still in new status though. needs further eyes :-) | 21:45 |
| clayg | notmyname: you should tell us all about how that went and reivew your ideas on how it's going to be awesome in the future? | 21:45 |
| clayg | notmyname: you gave me a link of ec bugs - i'm all over it | 21:46 |
| notmyname | s/went/is going/ (FTFY). and slowly | 21:46 |
| notmyname | ok, let's move on to specs | 21:46 |
| notmyname | #topic open specs | 21:46 |
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| notmyname | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/swift-specs+status:open,n,z | 21:46 |
| notmyname | these are the specs patches that haven't landed | 21:46 |
| notmyname | most are net-new (not updates to existing ones) | 21:46 |
| notmyname | for those that are updates, they /should/ be able to land quickly | 21:47 |
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| notmyname | mattoliverau: will you get to the spec lifecycle rules patch? that one will be easy to land | 21:47 |
| mattoliverau | yeah, I started last night, i'll post it after breakfast :) | 21:48 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:48 |
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| clayg | mattoliverau: which spec is that? | 21:49 |
| notmyname | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/183014/ <-- keymaster updates for encryption spec | 21:49 |
| clayg | notmyname: did you red the ML thread on specs are broken (I know nova doens't use them like we do) | 21:49 |
| notmyname | clayg: just a patch to the specs repo | 21:49 |
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| notmyname | clayg: that's why we don't use them like nova ;-) | 21:49 |
| notmyname | clayg: wasn't that your idea? | 21:49 |
| clayg | notmyname: yeah well - it was just an idea - i'm not sure if we've really refined the process yet | 21:49 |
| notmyname | I'm pretty sure we haven't | 21:50 |
| clayg | notmyname: I thought mattoliverau had something going about "this is our process for specs" | 21:50 |
| notmyname | case in point, the current topic | 21:50 |
| mattoliverau | clayg: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190066/ | 21:50 |
| mattoliverau | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190066/ | 21:50 |
| clayg | notmyname: so that I was interested in reviewing - i'm not interested in yet another pass over fast-post spec, or +2ing symlinks *again*, or... really much with specs :\ | 21:50 |
| mattoliverau | ^ just some rules when writing or thinking about specs. | 21:50 |
| clayg | mattoliverau: thanks | 21:50 |
| clayg | notmyname: htanks | 21:50 |
| notmyname | ok, so other specs that are out there that we talked about in vancouver are | 21:51 |
| notmyname | changing policies https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/swift-specs+status:open,n,z | 21:51 |
| notmyname | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/168761/ | 21:51 |
| clayg | mattoliverau: why is there -1's all over the make specs better spec! :'( | 21:52 |
| notmyname | and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/151335/ but that one is being worked on | 21:52 |
| mattoliverau | clayg: cause my english is.. well australian :P | 21:52 |
| notmyname | lol | 21:52 |
| mattoliverau | and crap :P | 21:52 |
| clayg | sigh | 21:52 |
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| notmyname | cschwede: you've got 3 open specs. metadata search, undelete, and container alias | 21:53 |
| mattoliverau | clayg: I just quickly put something up to start discussions, so that worked :) | 21:53 |
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| clayg | cschwede: yeah! what gives! :P | 21:54 |
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| mattoliverau | cschwede: you should be sharing | 21:54 |
| cschwede | metadata is currently -1, i need to get back to it - was too busy with other things. the other two (containeralias and undelete) could take a review | 21:54 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: if you have a moment, you can change your +1s to a +2 | 21:54 |
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| tdasilva | notmyname: on which spec? | 21:54 |
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| clayg | torgomatic: and I volunteer you to review containeralias and undelete? | 21:55 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/155524/ | 21:55 |
| dmorita | For | 21:55 |
| clayg | or... maybe just undelete? | 21:55 |
| torgomatic | I can look at undelete once I'm done with the #$%^ ring builder | 21:55 |
| clayg | torgomatic: fair point :'( | 21:55 |
| clayg | torgomatic: sorry - you've been buys while i was off dicking around - i assume and apologise | 21:56 |
| notmyname | ok, any other specs to specifically bring up? | 21:56 |
| torgomatic | clayg: it's not like I've got anything to show for it :| | 21:56 |
| notmyname | dmorita: looks like yours needs some eyes too https://review.openstack.org/#/c/168761/ | 21:56 |
| dmorita | Changing policies, i dont know what should i add to get approaval, actually, but i start to write codes, | 21:56 |
| torgomatic | I did manage to type in some code that accidentally squared the overload (so (1 + overload)^2) | 21:57 |
| notmyname | dmorita: oh, good! | 21:57 |
| torgomatic | but that's off-topic, so I'll stop yammering now | 21:57 |
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| mattoliverau | can we land the sharding spec.. so it's in the right place (it is a POC) and so I can wrinte new patches without adding to the current patchsets? | 21:57 |
| dmorita | Yes, i woul like a lot of guys to take a look | 21:57 |
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| clayg | dmorita: were you able to make any progress adapting https://review.openstack.org/#/c/173580/ | 21:58 |
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| notmyname | mattoliverau: if it's good we can ;-) | 21:58 |
| mattoliverau | lol | 21:58 |
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| clayg | dmorita: could you take over that review - assuming a general policy change from replicated to ec is worth while even if the replicated to replciated case could be optomized later? | 21:59 |
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| clayg | dmorita: there's all the prxoy work with a container that's in flight that needs work | 21:59 |
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| mattoliverau | I figure the stuff we discussed at summit, if we decided there worth following up on and haven't been updated since should land. but thats just me :) | 21:59 |
| clayg | dmorita: you could learn alot by trying out something that works and picking at the gaps | 21:59 |
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| notmyname | 1 minute left | 21:59 |
| notmyname | any last minute things? | 22:00 |
| notmyname | ok, it's time | 22:00 |
| notmyname | thanks for coming. thanks for working on swift | 22:00 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 24 22:00:37 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-06-24-21.00.html | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-06-24-21.00.txt | 22:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-06-24-21.00.log.html | 22:00 |
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