Wednesday, 2015-07-01

*** pvaneck has quit IRC00:00
*** VanL has joined #openstack-meeting00:01
*** asettle has joined #openstack-meeting00:01
*** alop has quit IRC00:02
*** jhenner has quit IRC00:02
*** claudiub_ has quit IRC00:02
*** penick has quit IRC00:03
*** ItSANgo_ has quit IRC00:08
*** rbak has joined #openstack-meeting00:11
*** absubram has joined #openstack-meeting00:12
*** tsekiyam_ has joined #openstack-meeting00:12
*** larainema has joined #openstack-meeting00:14
*** IlyaG_ has quit IRC00:14
*** DericHorn-HP has joined #openstack-meeting00:15
*** mwagner_lap has joined #openstack-meeting00:15
*** mtanino has quit IRC00:15
*** DericHorn-HP has quit IRC00:16
*** tsekiyama has quit IRC00:16
*** tsekiyam_ has quit IRC00:17
*** VanL has quit IRC00:17
*** ijw_ has joined #openstack-meeting00:19
*** novas0x2a|laptop has quit IRC00:19
*** otter768 has quit IRC00:20
*** rbak has quit IRC00:21
*** ijw has quit IRC00:22
*** julim has quit IRC00:24
*** zhhuabj has quit IRC00:25
*** zhhuabj has joined #openstack-meeting00:25
*** csd has quit IRC00:26
*** cebruns has quit IRC00:27
*** peterstac has quit IRC00:27
*** sirushti has quit IRC00:28
*** cebruns has joined #openstack-meeting00:28
*** timfreund has quit IRC00:29
*** sdake has quit IRC00:29
*** floppee_ has quit IRC00:29
*** dougshelley66 has quit IRC00:30
*** timfreund has joined #openstack-meeting00:30
*** floppee has joined #openstack-meeting00:30
*** jasondotstar has joined #openstack-meeting00:30
*** dims has joined #openstack-meeting00:32
*** sirushti has joined #openstack-meeting00:33
*** csd has joined #openstack-meeting00:33
*** leeantho has quit IRC00:33
*** yingjun has joined #openstack-meeting00:33
*** peterstac has joined #openstack-meeting00:34
*** otter768 has joined #openstack-meeting00:34
*** dougshelley66 has joined #openstack-meeting00:35
*** floppee has quit IRC00:35
*** dims_ has joined #openstack-meeting00:35
*** floppee has joined #openstack-meeting00:35
*** kylek3h has joined #openstack-meeting00:36
*** olaph has joined #openstack-meeting00:37
*** puranamr has quit IRC00:38
*** dprince has joined #openstack-meeting00:39
*** dims has quit IRC00:39
*** ddieterly has joined #openstack-meeting00:39
*** puranamr has joined #openstack-meeting00:39
*** geoffarnold has quit IRC00:40
*** asettle has quit IRC00:40
*** kylek3h has quit IRC00:40
*** Amandap_ has joined #openstack-meeting00:42
*** dmacpher has quit IRC00:43
*** ddieterl_ has joined #openstack-meeting00:43
*** ddieterly has quit IRC00:44
*** Swami has quit IRC00:44
*** IlyaG has joined #openstack-meeting00:46
*** Amandap_ has quit IRC00:47
*** IanGovett has quit IRC00:48
*** galstrom_zzz is now known as galstrom00:52
*** eliqiao has quit IRC00:52
*** crc32 has quit IRC00:55
*** dannywilson has quit IRC00:55
*** niclem has joined #openstack-meeting00:55
*** niclem_ has quit IRC00:55
*** eliqiao has joined #openstack-meeting00:57
*** sigmavirus24 is now known as sigmavirus24_awa00:58
*** annegentle has joined #openstack-meeting01:01
*** boris-42 has quit IRC01:02
*** stevemar has joined #openstack-meeting01:02
*** galstrom is now known as galstrom_zzz01:02
*** Rockyg has joined #openstack-meeting01:03
*** igordcard has quit IRC01:04
*** tellesnobrega_ has joined #openstack-meeting01:05
*** IlyaG has quit IRC01:09
*** dprince has quit IRC01:10
*** elo has joined #openstack-meeting01:10
*** elo1 has joined #openstack-meeting01:10
*** armax has quit IRC01:12
*** elo2 has quit IRC01:13
*** bdx has quit IRC01:13
*** IlyaG has joined #openstack-meeting01:14
*** heyongli has quit IRC01:14
*** elo has quit IRC01:14
*** heyongli has joined #openstack-meeting01:15
*** bdx has joined #openstack-meeting01:18
*** armax has joined #openstack-meeting01:18
*** changbl has joined #openstack-meeting01:18
*** ijw has joined #openstack-meeting01:20
*** dmacpher has joined #openstack-meeting01:22
*** armax has quit IRC01:22
*** Apoorva has quit IRC01:22
*** dannywilson has joined #openstack-meeting01:23
*** ijw_ has quit IRC01:23
*** yamamoto has joined #openstack-meeting01:24
*** Rockyg has quit IRC01:28
*** galstrom_zzz is now known as galstrom01:31
*** asselin_ has joined #openstack-meeting01:33
*** rjaiswal has quit IRC01:34
*** edleafe has quit IRC01:35
*** otter768 has quit IRC01:36
*** IlyaG has quit IRC01:36
*** yamamoto has quit IRC01:37
*** edleafe has joined #openstack-meeting01:37
*** tellesnobrega_ has quit IRC01:38
*** annegentle has quit IRC01:42
*** elo1 has quit IRC01:44
*** Yanyanhu has joined #openstack-meeting01:46
*** enikanorov2 has quit IRC01:46
*** puranamr has quit IRC01:51
*** ijw_ has joined #openstack-meeting01:52
*** ijw has quit IRC01:53
*** vivek-eb_ has joined #openstack-meeting01:55
*** sdake has joined #openstack-meeting01:57
*** vivek-ebay has quit IRC01:58
*** sdake_ has joined #openstack-meeting01:59
*** vivek-eb_ has quit IRC01:59
*** ijw_ has quit IRC01:59
*** enikanorov2 has joined #openstack-meeting02:01
*** sballe has quit IRC02:02
*** jwcroppe has quit IRC02:02
*** sdake has quit IRC02:02
*** jwcroppe has joined #openstack-meeting02:02
*** KunalGan_ has quit IRC02:04
*** KunalGandhi has joined #openstack-meeting02:04
*** IlyaG has joined #openstack-meeting02:05
*** jruano has quit IRC02:05
*** yamahata has quit IRC02:05
*** jwcroppe has quit IRC02:07
*** kylek3h has joined #openstack-meeting02:07
*** jasondotstar has quit IRC02:07
*** annegentle has joined #openstack-meeting02:08
*** ajo has quit IRC02:08
*** smeisner has quit IRC02:08
*** ijw has joined #openstack-meeting02:09
*** Longgeek_ has joined #openstack-meeting02:10
*** sdake_ has quit IRC02:10
*** sdake has joined #openstack-meeting02:10
*** smeisner has joined #openstack-meeting02:11
*** ajo has joined #openstack-meeting02:11
*** Longgeek has quit IRC02:12
*** coolsvap|away has quit IRC02:13
*** yamamoto has joined #openstack-meeting02:13
*** kylek3h has quit IRC02:13
*** haomaiwa_ has joined #openstack-meeting02:14
*** vjay has joined #openstack-meeting02:14
*** egon has quit IRC02:15
*** coolsvap|away has joined #openstack-meeting02:15
*** ivar-laz_ has joined #openstack-meeting02:15
*** ivar-laz_ has quit IRC02:15
*** jckasper has quit IRC02:17
*** ivar-lazzaro has quit IRC02:17
*** sbalukoff has quit IRC02:18
*** egon has joined #openstack-meeting02:20
*** Ravi has joined #openstack-meeting02:20
*** neelashah has joined #openstack-meeting02:20
*** epico has joined #openstack-meeting02:22
*** xyang1 has quit IRC02:23
*** ijw has quit IRC02:25
*** yingjun has quit IRC02:26
*** vjay has quit IRC02:27
*** tobe has joined #openstack-meeting02:29
*** pvaneck has joined #openstack-meeting02:29
*** unicell has quit IRC02:29
*** yingjun has joined #openstack-meeting02:30
*** elo has joined #openstack-meeting02:32
*** baoli has joined #openstack-meeting02:34
*** haomaiwa_ has quit IRC02:39
*** Longgeek_ has quit IRC02:39
*** haomaiw__ has joined #openstack-meeting02:40
*** Longgeek has joined #openstack-meeting02:41
*** ricolin has quit IRC02:41
*** marun has joined #openstack-meeting02:43
*** elo has quit IRC02:43
*** weshay has quit IRC02:43
*** jruano has joined #openstack-meeting02:44
*** KunalGandhi has quit IRC02:45
*** pvaneck has quit IRC02:46
*** baoli has quit IRC02:47
*** baoli has joined #openstack-meeting02:49
*** unicell has joined #openstack-meeting02:52
*** gyee has quit IRC02:52
*** annegentle has quit IRC02:53
*** ganeshna has joined #openstack-meeting02:54
*** neelashah has quit IRC02:57
*** jruano has quit IRC03:03
*** fallenpegasus has quit IRC03:03
*** annegentle has joined #openstack-meeting03:04
*** jruano has joined #openstack-meeting03:05
*** moha_hunt has quit IRC03:05
*** galstrom is now known as galstrom_zzz03:06
*** haomaiw__ has quit IRC03:09
*** haomaiwang has joined #openstack-meeting03:10
*** carl_baldwin has joined #openstack-meeting03:11
*** Longgeek has quit IRC03:14
*** unicell has quit IRC03:22
*** unicell has joined #openstack-meeting03:23
*** garthb_ has joined #openstack-meeting03:24
*** garthb has joined #openstack-meeting03:24
*** rbak has joined #openstack-meeting03:26
*** baoli has quit IRC03:26
*** htruta_ has quit IRC03:28
*** Ravi has quit IRC03:29
*** jruano has quit IRC03:30
*** annegentle has quit IRC03:31
*** vivek-ebay has joined #openstack-meeting03:32
*** JRobinson__ is now known as JRobinson__afk03:33
*** bill_az has quit IRC03:34
*** yamada-h has joined #openstack-meeting03:36
*** otter768 has joined #openstack-meeting03:37
*** annegentle has joined #openstack-meeting03:38
*** otter768 has quit IRC03:42
*** jecarey has joined #openstack-meeting03:43
*** Longgeek has joined #openstack-meeting03:45
*** yingjun has quit IRC03:45
*** hemna has joined #openstack-meeting03:45
*** BharatK has joined #openstack-meeting03:46
*** ildikov has quit IRC03:47
*** elo has joined #openstack-meeting03:47
*** annegentle has quit IRC03:48
*** Longgeek has quit IRC03:49
*** vivek-eb_ has joined #openstack-meeting03:49
*** jogo has joined #openstack-meeting03:50
*** vivek-ebay has quit IRC03:52
*** hemna has quit IRC03:53
*** heyongli has quit IRC03:57
*** ddieterl_ has quit IRC03:58
*** heyongli has joined #openstack-meeting03:58
*** dmacpher has quit IRC04:00
*** stevemar has quit IRC04:00
*** jwcroppe has joined #openstack-meeting04:00
*** stevemar has joined #openstack-meeting04:01
*** dmacpher has joined #openstack-meeting04:01
*** sudipto has joined #openstack-meeting04:02
*** dims_ has quit IRC04:03
*** KunalGandhi has joined #openstack-meeting04:05
*** asettle has joined #openstack-meeting04:06
*** rbak has quit IRC04:06
*** olaph has left #openstack-meeting04:07
*** heyongli has quit IRC04:07
*** heyongli has joined #openstack-meeting04:08
*** Alexandra_ has joined #openstack-meeting04:08
*** KunalGandhi has quit IRC04:09
*** armax has joined #openstack-meeting04:10
*** asettle has quit IRC04:10
*** KunalGandhi has joined #openstack-meeting04:12
*** coolsvap|away is now known as coolsvap04:14
*** Alexandra_ has quit IRC04:14
*** KunalGandhi has quit IRC04:16
*** neeti has joined #openstack-meeting04:16
*** achanda has joined #openstack-meeting04:19
*** hemna has joined #openstack-meeting04:20
*** hemna has quit IRC04:21
*** dannywilson has quit IRC04:21
*** jecarey has quit IRC04:21
*** dannywilson has joined #openstack-meeting04:21
*** morganfainberg is now known as caerbannograbbit04:24
*** caerbannograbbit is now known as CaerbannogRabbit04:24
*** MarkAtwood has joined #openstack-meeting04:26
*** tobe has quit IRC04:26
*** puranamr has joined #openstack-meeting04:28
*** Yanyanhu has quit IRC04:29
*** comay has quit IRC04:30
*** Longgeek has joined #openstack-meeting04:34
*** ganeshna has quit IRC04:36
*** henrynash has joined #openstack-meeting04:36
*** vivek-ebay has joined #openstack-meeting04:38
*** achanda has quit IRC04:38
*** vivek-eb_ has quit IRC04:38
*** ganeshna has joined #openstack-meeting04:41
*** leftback has joined #openstack-meeting04:41
*** lpeer has joined #openstack-meeting04:42
*** fawadkhaliq has joined #openstack-meeting04:43
*** hrou has quit IRC04:45
*** JRobinson__afk is now known as JRobinson__04:45
*** ajayaa_ has joined #openstack-meeting04:45
*** rbak has joined #openstack-meeting04:48
*** annegentle has joined #openstack-meeting04:49
*** carl_baldwin has quit IRC04:50
*** irenab has joined #openstack-meeting04:54
*** annegentle has quit IRC04:55
*** rbak has quit IRC04:58
*** ddieterly has joined #openstack-meeting04:59
*** ajayaa_ has quit IRC05:01
*** skraynev has joined #openstack-meeting05:02
*** sudipto has quit IRC05:02
*** ddieterly has quit IRC05:03
*** kairat_kushaev has joined #openstack-meeting05:04
*** sreshetnyak has joined #openstack-meeting05:05
*** banix has joined #openstack-meeting05:06
*** dims has joined #openstack-meeting05:07
*** fallenpegasus has joined #openstack-meeting05:09
*** dims has quit IRC05:12
*** arnaud____ has joined #openstack-meeting05:17
*** bdx has quit IRC05:19
*** bdx has joined #openstack-meeting05:20
*** arnaud____ has quit IRC05:22
*** marun has quit IRC05:23
*** SridharG has joined #openstack-meeting05:24
*** ricolin has joined #openstack-meeting05:26
*** tobe has joined #openstack-meeting05:26
*** heyongli has quit IRC05:30
*** Daisy has joined #openstack-meeting05:31
*** rjaiswal has joined #openstack-meeting05:32
*** haomaiwang has quit IRC05:33
*** mkolesni has joined #openstack-meeting05:34
*** ub has joined #openstack-meeting05:37
*** heyongli has joined #openstack-meeting05:37
*** banix has quit IRC05:37
*** haomaiwa_ has joined #openstack-meeting05:38
*** otter768 has joined #openstack-meeting05:38
*** leftback has quit IRC05:39
*** mmedvede has quit IRC05:40
*** kaisers1 has quit IRC05:43
*** otter768 has quit IRC05:43
*** jtomasek has joined #openstack-meeting05:45
*** mkolesni has left #openstack-meeting05:46
*** adahms has quit IRC05:51
*** jdurgin1 has joined #openstack-meeting05:51
*** dannywilson has quit IRC05:53
*** puranamr has quit IRC05:53
*** jgrimm is now known as zz_jgrimm05:55
*** lpeer_ has joined #openstack-meeting05:56
*** lpeer has quit IRC05:56
*** jdurgin has quit IRC05:57
*** garthb_ has quit IRC05:57
*** garthb has quit IRC05:57
*** tobe has quit IRC05:59
*** gongysh_ has quit IRC05:59
*** e0ne has joined #openstack-meeting05:59
*** ddieterly has joined #openstack-meeting06:00
*** jdurgin1 has quit IRC06:00
*** gongysh_ has joined #openstack-meeting06:00
*** BharatK has quit IRC06:02
*** ddieterly has quit IRC06:04
*** fawadkhaliq has quit IRC06:04
*** e0ne has quit IRC06:11
*** john-davidge has joined #openstack-meeting06:12
*** puranamr has joined #openstack-meeting06:13
*** neeti has quit IRC06:15
*** kgroves has joined #openstack-meeting06:15
*** gokrokve has joined #openstack-meeting06:16
*** Murali has joined #openstack-meeting06:16
*** mrunge has joined #openstack-meeting06:16
*** BharatK has joined #openstack-meeting06:17
*** gokrokve has quit IRC06:18
*** puranamr has quit IRC06:18
*** ajayaa_ has joined #openstack-meeting06:19
*** marun has joined #openstack-meeting06:20
*** MarkAtwood has quit IRC06:20
*** scheuran has joined #openstack-meeting06:20
*** irenab has quit IRC06:22
*** numan has joined #openstack-meeting06:24
*** lpeer_ has quit IRC06:24
*** fawadkhaliq has joined #openstack-meeting06:25
*** marun has quit IRC06:25
*** stevemar has quit IRC06:28
*** stevemar has joined #openstack-meeting06:28
*** zhhuabj has quit IRC06:31
*** fawadkhaliq has quit IRC06:31
*** stevemar has quit IRC06:31
*** _nadya_ has joined #openstack-meeting06:34
*** yingjun has joined #openstack-meeting06:34
*** kairat_kushaev has quit IRC06:34
*** skraynev has quit IRC06:35
*** mrunge has quit IRC06:35
*** zhhuabj has joined #openstack-meeting06:38
*** neeti has joined #openstack-meeting06:38
*** nmagnezi has joined #openstack-meeting06:39
*** sahid has joined #openstack-meeting06:39
*** yamahata has joined #openstack-meeting06:39
*** vivek-ebay has quit IRC06:40
*** fzdarsky has joined #openstack-meeting06:40
*** vjay has joined #openstack-meeting06:40
*** vikram has left #openstack-meeting06:41
*** asettle has joined #openstack-meeting06:43
*** mrunge has joined #openstack-meeting06:45
*** radek_ has joined #openstack-meeting06:48
*** ildikov has joined #openstack-meeting06:49
*** annegentle has joined #openstack-meeting06:51
*** radek_ has quit IRC06:52
*** henrynash has quit IRC06:53
*** tobe has joined #openstack-meeting06:53
*** radek_ has joined #openstack-meeting06:53
*** safchain has joined #openstack-meeting06:54
*** belmoreira has joined #openstack-meeting06:54
*** ganeshna has quit IRC06:54
*** skraynev has joined #openstack-meeting06:56
*** egallen has joined #openstack-meeting06:56
*** annegentle has quit IRC06:56
*** sreshetnyak has quit IRC06:57
*** ndipanov has quit IRC06:57
*** lufix has joined #openstack-meeting06:57
*** sreshetnyak has joined #openstack-meeting06:57
*** ganeshna has joined #openstack-meeting06:59
*** ddieterly has joined #openstack-meeting07:00
*** otter768 has joined #openstack-meeting07:00
*** nmagnezi_ has joined #openstack-meeting07:00
*** kairat_kushaev has joined #openstack-meeting07:00
*** egallen has quit IRC07:01
*** hichihara has quit IRC07:01
*** frobware_ has joined #openstack-meeting07:01
*** isviridov_away is now known as isviridov07:01
*** doude has joined #openstack-meeting07:03
*** kgroves has quit IRC07:03
*** egallen has joined #openstack-meeting07:04
*** asettle has quit IRC07:04
*** abregman has joined #openstack-meeting07:05
*** ddieterly has quit IRC07:05
*** otter768 has quit IRC07:06
*** jdurgin has joined #openstack-meeting07:07
*** AJaeger has left #openstack-meeting07:08
*** yamamoto has quit IRC07:08
*** sankarshan is now known as sankarshan_away07:09
*** irenab has joined #openstack-meeting07:09
*** fallenpegasus has quit IRC07:12
*** matrohon has joined #openstack-meeting07:12
*** yamamoto has joined #openstack-meeting07:15
*** dmacpher has quit IRC07:17
*** armax has quit IRC07:18
*** vjay has quit IRC07:20
*** lpeer_ has joined #openstack-meeting07:21
*** devvesa has joined #openstack-meeting07:21
*** ganeshna has quit IRC07:22
*** subscope has quit IRC07:24
*** lpeer__ has joined #openstack-meeting07:27
*** puranamr has joined #openstack-meeting07:28
*** lpeer_ has quit IRC07:30
*** zz_jgrimm has quit IRC07:31
*** mpaolino has joined #openstack-meeting07:32
*** shadower has quit IRC07:32
*** zz_jgrimm has joined #openstack-meeting07:33
*** puranamr has quit IRC07:33
*** hashar has joined #openstack-meeting07:33
*** toscalix has joined #openstack-meeting07:34
*** unicell has quit IRC07:35
*** subscope has joined #openstack-meeting07:37
*** fzdarsky has quit IRC07:39
*** sankarshan_away is now known as sankarshan07:39
*** eliqiao has quit IRC07:40
*** yingjun has quit IRC07:41
*** yingjun has joined #openstack-meeting07:42
*** fzdarsky has joined #openstack-meeting07:43
*** jlanoux has joined #openstack-meeting07:43
*** etoews has quit IRC07:43
*** eliqiao has joined #openstack-meeting07:44
*** jtomasek has quit IRC07:48
*** jcoufal has joined #openstack-meeting07:49
*** hashar has quit IRC07:50
*** hashar has joined #openstack-meeting07:50
*** prazumovsky has joined #openstack-meeting07:52
*** sbalukoff has joined #openstack-meeting07:53
*** ganeshna has joined #openstack-meeting07:53
*** mpaolino has quit IRC07:56
*** hashar has quit IRC07:56
*** e0ne has joined #openstack-meeting07:56
*** ganeshna has quit IRC07:58
*** afazekas is now known as __afazekas07:59
*** ddieterly has joined #openstack-meeting08:01
*** ygbo has joined #openstack-meeting08:01
*** dkusidlo has joined #openstack-meeting08:02
*** ganeshna has joined #openstack-meeting08:02
*** hashar has joined #openstack-meeting08:03
*** elo1 has joined #openstack-meeting08:04
*** elo1 has quit IRC08:04
*** elo1 has joined #openstack-meeting08:04
*** mrunge has quit IRC08:04
*** ddieterly has quit IRC08:06
*** elo has quit IRC08:08
*** marun has joined #openstack-meeting08:09
*** mrunge has joined #openstack-meeting08:09
*** kylek3h has joined #openstack-meeting08:09
*** elo1 has quit IRC08:12
*** isviridov is now known as isviridov_away08:13
*** marun has quit IRC08:14
*** kylek3h has quit IRC08:15
*** dkusidlo has quit IRC08:15
*** __afazekas is now known as afazekas08:20
*** arnaud____ has joined #openstack-meeting08:23
*** yatin has joined #openstack-meeting08:24
*** yamahata has quit IRC08:26
*** arnaud____ has quit IRC08:28
*** dguerri` is now known as dguerri08:29
*** lsmola has joined #openstack-meeting08:29
*** stevemar has joined #openstack-meeting08:30
*** yamamoto has quit IRC08:31
*** phil_ has joined #openstack-meeting08:32
*** stevemar has quit IRC08:34
*** yassine__ has joined #openstack-meeting08:36
*** e0ne is now known as e0ne_08:36
*** yamamoto has joined #openstack-meeting08:37
*** e0ne_ is now known as e0ne08:38
*** obondarev has joined #openstack-meeting08:39
*** pelix has joined #openstack-meeting08:39
*** dguitarbite has quit IRC08:40
*** dguerri is now known as dguerri`08:41
*** e0ne has quit IRC08:41
*** rjaiswal has quit IRC08:44
*** nmagnezi_ has quit IRC08:47
*** tochi has quit IRC08:47
*** jasondotstar has joined #openstack-meeting08:48
*** afazekas is now known as __afazekas08:50
*** irenab has quit IRC08:54
*** lpeer__ has quit IRC08:54
*** irenab has joined #openstack-meeting08:55
*** dkusidlo has joined #openstack-meeting09:00
*** hashar has quit IRC09:01
*** ddieterly has joined #openstack-meeting09:02
*** otter768 has joined #openstack-meeting09:02
*** dkusidlo has quit IRC09:04
*** lpeer__ has joined #openstack-meeting09:05
*** ddieterly has quit IRC09:06
*** xingchao_ has joined #openstack-meeting09:06
*** hashar has joined #openstack-meeting09:06
*** otter768 has quit IRC09:07
*** dims has joined #openstack-meeting09:08
*** ricolin has quit IRC09:11
*** abregman is now known as abregman|lunch09:12
*** adiantum has quit IRC09:12
*** irenab has quit IRC09:12
*** irenab has joined #openstack-meeting09:14
*** dims has quit IRC09:14
*** dkusidlo has joined #openstack-meeting09:20
*** haomaiwa_ has quit IRC09:21
*** xingchao_ has quit IRC09:21
*** lpeer has joined #openstack-meeting09:23
*** afazekas has joined #openstack-meeting09:24
*** lpeer__ has quit IRC09:24
*** fzdarsky has quit IRC09:29
*** yingjun has quit IRC09:30
*** yamada-h has quit IRC09:31
*** e0ne has joined #openstack-meeting09:35
*** elo has joined #openstack-meeting09:37
*** ociuhandu has quit IRC09:39
*** wojdev has joined #openstack-meeting09:43
*** bradjones has quit IRC09:44
*** dkusidlo has quit IRC09:45
*** sdake has quit IRC09:46
*** ityaptin has joined #openstack-meeting09:46
*** bradjones has joined #openstack-meeting09:46
*** bradjones has quit IRC09:46
*** bradjones has joined #openstack-meeting09:46
*** wojdev has quit IRC09:46
*** adiantum has joined #openstack-meeting09:50
*** wojdev has joined #openstack-meeting09:54
*** Daisy has quit IRC09:56
*** wojdev has quit IRC09:56
*** wojdev has joined #openstack-meeting09:57
*** wojdev has quit IRC09:57
*** marun has joined #openstack-meeting09:57
*** dims has joined #openstack-meeting09:59
*** sudipto has joined #openstack-meeting10:00
*** BharatK has quit IRC10:01
*** yamada-h has joined #openstack-meeting10:01
*** marun has quit IRC10:02
*** ddieterly has joined #openstack-meeting10:02
*** fzdarsky has joined #openstack-meeting10:03
*** yamada-h has quit IRC10:06
*** ddieterly has quit IRC10:07
*** stevemar has joined #openstack-meeting10:19
*** abregman|lunch is now known as abregman10:20
*** john-davidge has quit IRC10:21
*** stevemar has quit IRC10:22
*** jhenner has joined #openstack-meeting10:26
*** JRobinson__ has quit IRC10:27
*** john-davidge has joined #openstack-meeting10:27
*** yamamoto has quit IRC10:28
*** dkusidlo has joined #openstack-meeting10:30
*** BharatK has joined #openstack-meeting10:32
*** john-davidge has quit IRC10:34
*** ndipanov has joined #openstack-meeting10:36
*** epico has quit IRC10:37
*** e0ne is now known as e0ne_10:39
*** e0ne_ is now known as e0ne10:39
*** lpeer has quit IRC10:39
*** lpeer has joined #openstack-meeting10:40
*** lpeer_ has joined #openstack-meeting10:41
*** DericHorn-HP has joined #openstack-meeting10:42
*** amrith is now known as _amrith_10:43
*** lpeer has quit IRC10:45
*** claudiub has joined #openstack-meeting10:46
*** nfedotov has joined #openstack-meeting10:50
*** hashar has quit IRC10:50
*** BharatK has quit IRC10:57
*** ozstacker_ has quit IRC10:58
*** ozstacker has joined #openstack-meeting10:59
*** dprince has joined #openstack-meeting11:01
*** fzdarsky has quit IRC11:02
*** ociuhandu has joined #openstack-meeting11:03
*** ddieterly has joined #openstack-meeting11:03
*** fzdarsky has joined #openstack-meeting11:04
*** ddieterly has quit IRC11:08
*** prazumovsky has quit IRC11:08
*** weshay has joined #openstack-meeting11:08
*** IanGovett has joined #openstack-meeting11:09
*** BharatK has joined #openstack-meeting11:10
*** kylek3h has joined #openstack-meeting11:10
*** ganeshna has quit IRC11:12
*** kylek3h has quit IRC11:15
*** Fdot has joined #openstack-meeting11:19
*** yamamoto has joined #openstack-meeting11:20
*** egallen has quit IRC11:22
*** egallen has joined #openstack-meeting11:22
*** ajayaa_ has quit IRC11:23
*** ItSANgo has joined #openstack-meeting11:23
*** e0ne is now known as e0ne_11:24
*** e0ne_ is now known as e0ne11:24
*** DericHorn-HP has quit IRC11:25
*** Fdot has quit IRC11:25
*** matrohon has quit IRC11:27
*** matrohon has joined #openstack-meeting11:28
*** egallen has quit IRC11:30
*** egallen has joined #openstack-meeting11:30
*** temujin_ has joined #openstack-meeting11:32
*** SridharG has left #openstack-meeting11:33
*** pradk has joined #openstack-meeting11:34
*** jasondotstar has quit IRC11:35
*** prad has quit IRC11:36
*** jasondotstar has joined #openstack-meeting11:36
*** Shrews has joined #openstack-meeting11:37
*** Shrews has left #openstack-meeting11:37
*** yamamoto has quit IRC11:38
*** ajayaa_ has joined #openstack-meeting11:39
*** yamamoto has joined #openstack-meeting11:39
*** kylek3h has joined #openstack-meeting11:40
*** pradk has quit IRC11:40
*** hashar has joined #openstack-meeting11:41
*** jasondotstar has quit IRC11:41
*** jcoufal has quit IRC11:42
*** egallen has quit IRC11:42
*** tobe has quit IRC11:46
*** marun has joined #openstack-meeting11:46
*** egallen has joined #openstack-meeting11:46
*** yamamoto has quit IRC11:47
*** jcoufal has joined #openstack-meeting11:49
*** jcoufal is now known as Guest5216811:50
*** Guest52168 has quit IRC11:50
*** jcoufal_ has joined #openstack-meeting11:50
*** xingchao_ has joined #openstack-meeting11:51
*** marun has quit IRC11:52
*** egallen_ has joined #openstack-meeting11:55
*** egallen has quit IRC11:56
*** egallen_ is now known as egallen11:56
*** _nadya_ has quit IRC11:58
*** Longgeek has quit IRC11:59
*** gongysh_ has quit IRC12:01
*** gongysh has quit IRC12:01
*** sudipto has quit IRC12:02
*** matrohon has quit IRC12:04
*** ddieterly has joined #openstack-meeting12:04
*** hashar is now known as hasharConfcall12:04
*** matrohon has joined #openstack-meeting12:05
*** bvandenh has joined #openstack-meeting12:05
*** ub has quit IRC12:07
*** balajiiyer has joined #openstack-meeting12:08
*** yamamoto has joined #openstack-meeting12:08
*** yamamoto has quit IRC12:08
*** ociuhandu has quit IRC12:09
*** dkusidlo has quit IRC12:10
*** dkusidlo has joined #openstack-meeting12:12
*** markvoelker has quit IRC12:14
*** markvoelker has joined #openstack-meeting12:14
*** eharney has joined #openstack-meeting12:14
*** neelashah has joined #openstack-meeting12:16
*** raginbajin has quit IRC12:18
*** ub has joined #openstack-meeting12:19
*** _amrith_ is now known as amrith12:19
*** raginbajin has joined #openstack-meeting12:19
*** radez_g0n3 is now known as radez12:21
*** ociuhandu has joined #openstack-meeting12:21
*** etoews has joined #openstack-meeting12:21
*** annemccormick has joined #openstack-meeting12:22
*** neeti has quit IRC12:22
*** toscalix has quit IRC12:22
*** john-davidge has joined #openstack-meeting12:23
*** jcoufal_ has quit IRC12:23
*** heyongli has quit IRC12:24
*** Longgeek has joined #openstack-meeting12:25
*** john-davidge_ has joined #openstack-meeting12:25
*** juzuluag has joined #openstack-meeting12:26
*** kylek3h has quit IRC12:26
*** heyongli has joined #openstack-meeting12:27
*** ivasev has joined #openstack-meeting12:27
*** dkusidlo has quit IRC12:27
*** john-davidge has quit IRC12:28
*** john-davidge_ is now known as john-davidge12:28
*** zigo has quit IRC12:28
*** zigo has joined #openstack-meeting12:29
*** BharatK has quit IRC12:29
*** ivasev has quit IRC12:30
*** rfolco has joined #openstack-meeting12:30
*** zz_ttrifonov is now known as ttrifonov12:30
*** john-davidge has left #openstack-meeting12:30
*** aysyd has joined #openstack-meeting12:30
*** Longgeek has quit IRC12:31
*** zhiyuan has joined #openstack-meeting12:34
*** BharatK has joined #openstack-meeting12:35
*** fallenpegasus has joined #openstack-meeting12:36
*** annegentle has joined #openstack-meeting12:37
*** tellesnobrega_ has joined #openstack-meeting12:40
*** yamamoto has joined #openstack-meeting12:41
*** e0ne is now known as e0ne_12:41
*** e0ne_ is now known as e0ne12:42
*** thangp has joined #openstack-meeting12:42
*** yamamoto has quit IRC12:42
*** baoli has joined #openstack-meeting12:44
*** bknudson has joined #openstack-meeting12:45
*** dkusidlo has joined #openstack-meeting12:46
*** tellesnobrega__ has joined #openstack-meeting12:47
*** pelix has quit IRC12:48
*** baoli_ has joined #openstack-meeting12:48
*** annegentle has quit IRC12:48
*** annegentle has joined #openstack-meeting12:49
*** tellesnobrega_ has quit IRC12:49
*** Longgeek has joined #openstack-meeting12:49
*** yamamoto has joined #openstack-meeting12:49
*** baoli has quit IRC12:51
*** xingchao_ has quit IRC12:51
*** numan has quit IRC12:52
*** amoturi has joined #openstack-meeting12:53
*** e0ne is now known as e0ne_12:53
*** dane_leblanc has joined #openstack-meeting12:54
*** matrohon has quit IRC12:54
*** tellesnobrega__ has quit IRC12:55
*** SrikanthPoolla has joined #openstack-meeting12:55
*** matrohon has joined #openstack-meeting12:55
*** leftback has joined #openstack-meeting12:56
*** e0ne_ is now known as e0ne12:57
*** annegentle has quit IRC12:57
*** ivasev has joined #openstack-meeting12:58
*** annegentle has joined #openstack-meeting12:58
*** singlethink has joined #openstack-meeting12:59
*** flip214 has quit IRC13:00
*** dane_leblanc has quit IRC13:00
*** joehuang has joined #openstack-meeting13:00
*** jecarey has joined #openstack-meeting13:00
*** balajiiyer has quit IRC13:00
*** dane_leblanc has joined #openstack-meeting13:02
joehuanghi good evening13:03
*** kbyrne has quit IRC13:03
*** yamada-h has joined #openstack-meeting13:04
*** otter768 has joined #openstack-meeting13:04
*** radez is now known as radez_g0n313:06
*** ddieterly has quit IRC13:07
*** joehuang has quit IRC13:07
*** yamada-h has quit IRC13:08
*** otter768 has quit IRC13:09
*** heyongli has quit IRC13:09
*** spzala has joined #openstack-meeting13:11
*** amitgandhinz has joined #openstack-meeting13:11
*** stevemar has joined #openstack-meeting13:12
*** jasondotstar has joined #openstack-meeting13:12
*** bvandenh has quit IRC13:13
*** heyongli has joined #openstack-meeting13:13
*** yingjun has joined #openstack-meeting13:14
*** trey has joined #openstack-meeting13:14
*** Longgeek has quit IRC13:14
*** Longgeek has joined #openstack-meeting13:15
*** bill_az has joined #openstack-meeting13:15
*** mmedvede has joined #openstack-meeting13:17
*** hasharConfcall is now known as hashar13:18
*** heyongli has quit IRC13:18
*** joehuang has joined #openstack-meeting13:18
*** jckasper has joined #openstack-meeting13:18
*** ociuhandu has quit IRC13:19
joehuangsorry, zhipeng is on vocation, and eran/saggi is not online today. let's have the tricircle weekly meeting next Wendsday13:20
*** ociuhandu has joined #openstack-meeting13:20
zhiyuansee you next week13:20
joehuangsee you13:20
*** zhiyuan has quit IRC13:21
*** matrohon has quit IRC13:21
*** heyongli has joined #openstack-meeting13:21
*** kbyrne has joined #openstack-meeting13:22
*** matrohon has joined #openstack-meeting13:22
*** MeganR has joined #openstack-meeting13:23
*** isviridov_away is now known as isviridov13:24
*** joehuang has quit IRC13:25
*** coolsvap is now known as coolsvap|away13:26
*** topol has joined #openstack-meeting13:27
*** ociuhandu has quit IRC13:27
*** stevemar has quit IRC13:27
*** jcoufal has joined #openstack-meeting13:30
*** rbak has joined #openstack-meeting13:30
*** ociuhandu has joined #openstack-meeting13:30
*** fallenpegasus has quit IRC13:31
*** pratikmallya has joined #openstack-meeting13:31
*** irenab has quit IRC13:32
*** jcoufal has quit IRC13:33
*** ctrath has joined #openstack-meeting13:34
*** marun has joined #openstack-meeting13:35
*** jcoufal has joined #openstack-meeting13:35
*** heyongli has quit IRC13:37
*** safchain has quit IRC13:37
*** _nadya_ has joined #openstack-meeting13:40
*** baoli_ has quit IRC13:40
*** marun has quit IRC13:40
*** heyongli has joined #openstack-meeting13:40
*** mrmartin has joined #openstack-meeting13:41
*** _nadya_ has quit IRC13:42
*** julim has joined #openstack-meeting13:42
*** trey has quit IRC13:43
*** balajiiyer has joined #openstack-meeting13:43
*** baoli has joined #openstack-meeting13:44
*** yatin has quit IRC13:45
*** cbouch has joined #openstack-meeting13:45
*** dbite has quit IRC13:46
*** pradk has joined #openstack-meeting13:46
*** MaxPC has joined #openstack-meeting13:49
*** jungleboyj has quit IRC13:49
*** radez_g0n3 is now known as radez13:50
*** ShillaSaebi has joined #openstack-meeting13:51
amandaphi ShillaSaebi :)13:51
*** ociuhandu has quit IRC13:51
*** berendt has joined #openstack-meeting13:52
*** AJaeger has joined #openstack-meeting13:53
*** ociuhandu has joined #openstack-meeting13:53
ShillaSaebiHi amandap!13:54
*** gokrokve has joined #openstack-meeting13:56
*** jcoufal has quit IRC13:56
*** kir_ has quit IRC13:57
*** jcoufal has joined #openstack-meeting13:57
*** devvesa has quit IRC13:57
*** ctrath has quit IRC13:57
*** katomo has joined #openstack-meeting13:58
*** jcoufal has quit IRC13:58
*** devvesa has joined #openstack-meeting13:58
*** cloudon has joined #openstack-meeting13:59
*** dims has quit IRC13:59
*** jcoufal has joined #openstack-meeting14:00
AJaegerHi ShillaSaebi !14:00
ShillaSaebi#startmeeting docteam14:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Jul  1 14:00:11 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ShillaSaebi. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: docteam)"14:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'docteam'14:00
*** Sam-I-Am has joined #openstack-meeting14:00
ShillaSaebiHi AJaeger14:00
*** smazziotta has joined #openstack-meeting14:00
ShillaSaebihi everyone14:00
*** adityav has joined #openstack-meeting14:00
ShillaSaebilets go ahead and get started14:00
*** dims has joined #openstack-meeting14:00
ShillaSaebi#topic Action items from the last meeting14:01
*** openstack changes topic to "Action items from the last meeting (Meeting topic: docteam)"14:01
ShillaSaebiloquacities was to investigate if an ops guide RST conversion is feasible, and report back to the ops guide team14:01
*** margaret__ has joined #openstack-meeting14:01
*** cloudon has left #openstack-meeting14:01
*** KLevenstein has joined #openstack-meeting14:01
*** dkusidlo has quit IRC14:02
ShillaSaebiShe did and we decided that we will wait until the "M" release to discuss it as there is too much RST conversion going on right now14:02
*** mtanino has joined #openstack-meeting14:02
ShillaSaebithis was also communicated with the ops guide team and everyones in the loop from that specialty team14:02
*** toscalix has joined #openstack-meeting14:02
ShillaSaebihi annegentle!14:02
*** Zucan has joined #openstack-meeting14:03
ShillaSaebianyone have any questions about the action items?14:03
*** subscope has quit IRC14:03
ShillaSaebihi Zucan14:03
ZucanGood morning Shilla!14:03
ShillaSaebiok great14:03
ShillaSaebi#topic Liberty specs in review14:03
*** openstack changes topic to "Liberty specs in review (Meeting topic: docteam)"14:03
*** jungleboyj has joined #openstack-meeting14:03
ShillaSaebi#link (Debian Install Guide)14:03
*** Fdot has joined #openstack-meeting14:04
annegentleI ran some numbers and in 4.5 months we converted 133 XML files last release.14:04
*** mkolesni_ has joined #openstack-meeting14:04
ShillaSaebi#link (Driver docs - requires discussion)14:04
ShillaSaebi#link (Install Guide Liberty update - WIP)14:04
*** safchain has joined #openstack-meeting14:04
ShillaSaebi#link (API work)14:04
*** SrikanthPoolla has quit IRC14:05
ShillaSaebiso as of last week the spec for the debian install guide rewrite was underway14:05
*** amitgandhinz has quit IRC14:05
*** ctrath has joined #openstack-meeting14:05
ShillaSaebinot expecting that work to start for a little while14:05
*** njohnston_ has joined #openstack-meeting14:05
*** sballe has joined #openstack-meeting14:06
ShillaSaebiok lets go ahead and move on to specialty teams14:06
annegentleis Alex here?14:06
*** amitgandhinz has joined #openstack-meeting14:06
annegentleHe's addressing questions in the review14:06
ShillaSaebipaging Alex14:06
ShillaSaebinot sure14:06
ShillaSaebiit doesn't appear so14:07
KLevensteinDebian install guide you say? :)14:07
Sam-I-Amthere's some notes on the spec14:07
Sam-I-Amand also karin14:07
annegentleok, it's fine to move onward if we're just raising awareness of specs and people are talking in the reviews14:07
KLevensteinyeah, there is discussion going on in the reviews14:07
*** Murali has quit IRC14:07
annegentleSam-I-Am: I asked in the review itself to be super specific about what arch differences you'd like to be the same14:08
*** e0ne is now known as e0ne_14:08
*** sicarie has joined #openstack-meeting14:08
Sam-I-Amannegentle: mmkay, didnt see that comment yet14:08
KLevensteinit just posted14:09
Sam-I-Amthere we go14:09
Sam-I-Amdebian has no support for nova-net with debconf14:09
Sam-I-Amso thats already out14:09
Sam-I-Ami'll comment when i get a chance14:09
KLevensteinthanks, Sam-I-Am14:09
Sam-I-Amright now finding bugs in linuxbridge agent :/14:10
annegentleright, let's be clear14:10
annegentleDriver docs, I've commented on, but don't know if we'll be able to remove those.14:10
annegentleSam-I-Am: are you still pursuing that idea?14:11
*** dkusidlo has joined #openstack-meeting14:11
annegentleI also hadn't heard Lana's take on that one14:11
Sam-I-Amannegentle: yeah, sort of waiting on lana14:11
*** jcoufal has quit IRC14:11
Sam-I-Amwe need to remove crufty stuff, but i really can't take on any more work (such as vendor relations)14:11
*** amrith is now known as _amrith_14:11
annegentleSam-I-Am: sure14:11
*** raildo has quit IRC14:12
*** sigmavirus24_awa is now known as sigmavirus2414:12
annegentleHonestly I don't htink vendors have "another place" to put those docs.14:12
Sam-I-Amon their own web sites?14:12
Sam-I-Amits a product they sell usually14:12
annegentleso I still think our best way forward is what we've already done. just my 2 cents14:12
annegentleSam-I-Am: I asked that and was told they don't have a place14:12
Sam-I-Amlike vmware nsx14:12
*** absubram has left #openstack-meeting14:12
Sam-I-Amthis is Not Free14:13
Sam-I-Amin fact, is WAY not free14:13
annegentleSam-I-Am: I've worked in enterprise doc enviros where I could see that happeneing.14:13
*** jcoufal has joined #openstack-meeting14:13
annegentleSam-I-Am: sure, just saying what I discovered from talking to people last release.14:13
*** _nadya_ has joined #openstack-meeting14:13
Sam-I-Ami find it difficult that a company selling a $$$$ product cant find a place to put docs for it14:13
*** amitgandhinz has quit IRC14:13
Sam-I-Ami'm sure there's nsx docs on the vmware web site somewhere14:13
Sam-I-Am(not that its the only offender)14:14
*** amitgandhinz has joined #openstack-meeting14:14
annegentleSam-I-Am: it was more than vmware, oracle, storage drivers, etc.14:14
annegentleSam-I-Am: sure, again, just stating what I found last release.14:14
*** mkolesni_ has quit IRC14:14
AJaegerI agree with annegentle14:14
AJaegerBut I feel Sam-I-Am 's load.14:15
AJaegerSo, what we said is: Add yourself to the wiki, update it yourself, otherwise we remove it eventually.14:15
*** matrohon has quit IRC14:15
AJaegerBasically saying: WE review but do not write the content14:15
*** vivek-ebay has joined #openstack-meeting14:15
Sam-I-Amannegentle: what i have the most problem with is stale content14:15
*** raildo has joined #openstack-meeting14:15
*** esheffield has joined #openstack-meeting14:15
Sam-I-Amand we're not familiar with the third-party stuff enough to clean it up14:16
annegentleSam-I-Am: yep we all do.14:16
Sam-I-Amso we get bugs filed, and the third-party people never fix them14:16
Sam-I-Amthey just dump crap into the repos14:16
*** dkusidlo has quit IRC14:16
ShillaSaebianyone have bandwidth that can reach out to these third-party people?14:16
AJaegerFor the config-ref guide, I would just say: No contact listed, remove it. Contact listed: Ask for change, wait, remove if nothing happens.14:16
ShillaSaebiis that task even worth pursuing?14:16
Sam-I-AmAJaeger: that makes sense14:16
AJaegerWe reached out for config-ref to many people, annegentle added it to her "What's up doc" as well14:17
*** jckasper has quit IRC14:17
AJaegerStill, now we would need to go through the guide and remove outdated information with no owners...14:17
* AJaeger currently has no time for this14:17
annegentleMy current take is that I don't htink we'll get different answers than last time, but Lana may want to reach out anyway to see if answers are different. I do think it's worth pursuing14:18
annegentleAJaeger: that's a good idea, just need an assignee14:18
ShillaSaebiok any takers?14:18
AJaegerSo, for e.g. VMware NSX et al: Add a section to "What'S up doc" asking for contacting us - otherwise content gets removed in two weeks...14:18
Sam-I-Amdo people read that?14:19
ShillaSaebithat sounds fine to me but they may miss that email14:19
ShillaSaebimaybe a direct email?14:19
Sam-I-Amat least our target audience14:19
ShillaSaebiyeah it can easily be missed14:19
annegentleShillaSaebi: haven't found one so far, though jaegerandi and I are on the spec Sam-I-Am posted... so blocking the spec until we get assignees14:20
annegentlebasically that summarizes it14:20
Sam-I-Amwe need more bodies14:20
ShillaSaebiok we can always send an email to the ML and ask for volunteers14:20
*** annemccormick has quit IRC14:21
*** matrohon has joined #openstack-meeting14:21
Sam-I-Amit would be nice if the devs for the services that have third-party bits could take this on for their project14:21
Sam-I-Amthey would know the third party bits better than us14:21
*** ddieterly has joined #openstack-meeting14:21
Sam-I-Amcan we ask the liaisons?14:22
AJaegerYou could ask the neutron doc liason (do we have one) to provide those - or write a specific email to devs with proper subject14:22
AJaegerSam-I-Am: +1 ;)14:22
annegentleI also sent email to the third-party ML14:22
Sam-I-Ami can probably handle neutron, but... all the other services14:22
*** dguerri` is now known as dguerri14:22
ShillaSaebiyes we do - Ihar Hrachyshka14:22
*** heyongli has quit IRC14:22
*** ddieterly has quit IRC14:22
AJaegerShillaSaebi: If people don't react, remove it. We can easily readd a change later again...14:23
Sam-I-AmAJaeger: +114:23
annegentlesounds good14:24
ShillaSaebiok awesome now the question is, who's going to reach out to the devs14:24
*** jcoufal has quit IRC14:24
ShillaSaebiand we should also run this by Lana14:24
*** heyongli has joined #openstack-meeting14:24
annegentleright, set an action for her to circle back on14:25
*** jcoufal has joined #openstack-meeting14:25
ShillaSaebiok #action loquacities to circle back on third-party content14:26
AJaegerShillaSaebi: don't put an "ok" before #action14:26
annegentleShillaSaebi: #action has to be at the beginning of the line for note-taking :)14:26
*** carl_baldwin has joined #openstack-meeting14:26
ShillaSaebioh nice thanks14:27
ShillaSaebi#action loquacities to circle back on third-party content14:27
*** _amrith_ is now known as amrith14:27
*** carl_baldwin has quit IRC14:27
ShillaSaebi#action Shilla  to e-mail Lana summarizing the solutions for the third-party content14:27
ShillaSaebiok great anything else on this subject?14:28
*** stevemar has joined #openstack-meeting14:28
Sam-I-Amnope, just need some movement :/14:28
ShillaSaebi#topic Specialty teams14:28
*** openstack changes topic to "Specialty teams (Meeting topic: docteam)"14:28
ShillaSaebi#info HA Guide - RST migration underway: #link
ShillaSaebi#info Install Guides - RST migration now underway, sign up here: #link
ShillaSaebi#info Networking Guide - Test & review for Liberty updates.14:29
ShillaSaebi#info Security Guide - RST conversion in planning.14:29
ShillaSaebi#info User Guides - Cloud Admin Guide RST conversion now underway14:29
*** rbak has quit IRC14:29
*** pratap has joined #openstack-meeting14:30
*** lpeer_ has quit IRC14:30
ShillaSaebi#info Ops/Arch Guides - New speciality team, had first meeting last week and plan is to work on cleanup and refresh of content as of now14:30
ShillaSaebi#info API docs - Please review the spec #link
*** VanL has joined #openstack-meeting14:30
ShillaSaebi#info Config Ref - Another new speciality team! Thanks Guavain #link
*** vivek-ebay has quit IRC14:31
*** weshay has quit IRC14:31
*** stevemar has quit IRC14:32
ShillaSaebidoes anyone have any other updates on speciality teams to add?14:32
Sam-I-Ami'm working on the network guide scenarios14:32
Sam-I-Amalso getting some contributions from neutron devs14:32
ShillaSaebithats awesome14:32
*** balajiiyer has quit IRC14:32
*** zz_jgrimm is now known as jgrimm14:32
ShillaSaebiany other updates on the specialty teams?14:32
ShillaSaebimmmkay moving along14:33
ShillaSaebi#topic Doc tools update14:33
*** openstack changes topic to "Doc tools update (Meeting topic: docteam)"14:33
ShillaSaebi#info openstack-doc-tools 0.29.1 has been released. This fixes a translation bug in 0.29.014:33
*** igordcard_ has quit IRC14:33
ShillaSaebithank you AJaeger14:34
*** xingchao_ has joined #openstack-meeting14:34
*** pratap has quit IRC14:34
annegentleAJaeger: you want to update? I can.14:35
annegentleBasically we have a new openstack-doc-tools release, 0.29, and released version 1.1.0 of openstackdocstheme14:35
annegentleoh yes, 0.29.114:35
*** heyongli has quit IRC14:35
annegentlethanks for the fixes for translations AJaeger14:35
ShillaSaebiyes there was an issue with the 0.29 update that caused problems with RST translation and they've quickly fixed that and released 0.29.1 and thank you!14:35
*** VanL_ has joined #openstack-meeting14:36
*** weshay has joined #openstack-meeting14:36
*** matrohon has quit IRC14:36
*** rossella_s has quit IRC14:36
ShillaSaebiok lets go ahead and move on14:36
*** sicarie has quit IRC14:37
ShillaSaebi#topic Docs Liaisons14:37
*** openstack changes topic to "Docs Liaisons (Meeting topic: docteam)"14:37
*** rossella_s has joined #openstack-meeting14:37
*** ociuhandu_ has joined #openstack-meeting14:37
*** jwang__ has joined #openstack-meeting14:37
*** yamahata has joined #openstack-meeting14:37
*** heyongli has joined #openstack-meeting14:37
ShillaSaebiDon't forget that we have wonderful liaisons when we're working on a bug, or asking for reviews: #link
Sam-I-Amwish some of them were at these meetings14:37
ShillaSaebiyes I agree14:37
*** enikanorov2_ has joined #openstack-meeting14:37
*** matrohon has joined #openstack-meeting14:38
*** vahidh has quit IRC14:38
ShillaSaebiLana has been communicating with some of these liaisons in the past couple of weeks and one of the requests we are getting is that we add them to reviews or bugs as we're going14:38
Sam-I-Amwe need to work on this14:38
*** matrohon has quit IRC14:38
*** madong_ has joined #openstack-meeting14:39
*** patchbot` has joined #openstack-meeting14:39
*** patchbot has quit IRC14:39
*** hrou has joined #openstack-meeting14:39
Sam-I-Ammost of the docs folks are not involved in any particular non-docs projects14:39
ShillaSaebiso as an example, if you're working on a horizon bug, or have a docs patch in that discusses horizon, make sure you cc in the horizon liaisons14:39
*** VanL has quit IRC14:39
*** matt____ has joined #openstack-meeting14:39
Sam-I-Amadd them to the bug and the patch?14:39
*** matrohon has joined #openstack-meeting14:39
*** darrenc_ has joined #openstack-meeting14:39
*** hazmat_ has joined #openstack-meeting14:40
*** Longgeek has quit IRC14:40
*** patchbot` is now known as patchbot14:40
ShillaSaebiany questions on that?14:40
*** megm_ has joined #openstack-meeting14:40
ShillaSaebi#topic i18n Team14:40
*** openstack changes topic to "i18n Team (Meeting topic: docteam)"14:41
*** kudryashova_ has joined #openstack-meeting14:41
*** lpeer_ has joined #openstack-meeting14:41
*** devanand1 has joined #openstack-meeting14:41
ShillaSaebiif you're working on a doc that is translated, then please keep the translators in mind. We should help them to make sure they're not translating and retranslating unnecessarily14:41
*** doude_ has joined #openstack-meeting14:41
*** nikhil_k1away has joined #openstack-meeting14:42
*** guitarza1 has joined #openstack-meeting14:42
ShillaSaebiok any questions on that14:42
Sam-I-AmShillaSaebi: i'm not really sure how they work14:42
Sam-I-Amdo they just see changes we make? or go by release14:42
annegentlehave to drop to get to another meeting in time, will read the notes and log14:43
* annegentle waves14:43
ShillaSaebibye anngentle14:43
ShillaSaebiSam-I-Am I'm not really sure, AJaeger may have more insight on that14:43
*** thingee_ has joined #openstack-meeting14:43
katomoSam-I-Am: translators can see changes at Transifex(translation web service).14:43
katomoChanged strings are pushed automatically.14:44
*** edwarnicke_ has joined #openstack-meeting14:44
katomoThey can find UNtranslated strings.14:44
*** radez` has joined #openstack-meeting14:45
*** EmilienM_ has joined #openstack-meeting14:45
*** mtreinish_ has joined #openstack-meeting14:45
*** AJaeger_ has joined #openstack-meeting14:45
*** AJaeger_ has joined #openstack-meeting14:45
*** fbo- has joined #openstack-meeting14:45
*** _matthias__ has joined #openstack-meeting14:45
*** NikitaKonovalov2 has joined #openstack-meeting14:45
*** dguerri_ has joined #openstack-meeting14:45
*** mrodden_ has joined #openstack-meeting14:45
*** dgonzalez_ has joined #openstack-meeting14:45
*** rharwood_ has joined #openstack-meeting14:45
ShillaSaebiok cool14:45
*** njohnston_ has quit IRC14:46
*** intr1nsic_ has joined #openstack-meeting14:46
* AJaeger_ is back, I got disconnected ;(14:46
ShillaSaebiwelcome back14:46
*** melwitt_ has joined #openstack-meeting14:46
*** sballe has quit IRC14:46
*** margaret__ has quit IRC14:46
*** ociuhandu has quit IRC14:46
*** aysyd has quit IRC14:46
*** juzuluag has quit IRC14:46
*** jhenner has quit IRC14:46
*** ygbo has quit IRC14:46
*** doude has quit IRC14:46
*** enikanorov2 has quit IRC14:46
*** larainema has quit IRC14:46
*** asadoughi has quit IRC14:46
*** marcusvrn has quit IRC14:46
*** fbo has quit IRC14:46
*** mtreinish has quit IRC14:46
*** AJaeger has quit IRC14:46
*** megm has quit IRC14:46
*** Swanson has quit IRC14:46
*** kudryashova has quit IRC14:46
*** rushiagr_away has quit IRC14:46
*** melwitt has quit IRC14:46
*** rhe00_ has quit IRC14:46
*** jwang_ has quit IRC14:46
*** EmilienM has quit IRC14:46
*** antonym has quit IRC14:46
*** radez has quit IRC14:46
*** rharwood has quit IRC14:46
*** rpodolyaka has quit IRC14:46
*** xylan_kong has quit IRC14:46
*** edwarnicke has quit IRC14:46
*** ctlaugh_ has quit IRC14:46
*** dguerri has quit IRC14:46
*** NikitaKonovalov has quit IRC14:46
*** tdasilva has quit IRC14:46
*** hazmat has quit IRC14:46
*** tchaypo has quit IRC14:46
*** otoolee has quit IRC14:46
*** rex_lee has quit IRC14:46
*** kun_huang has quit IRC14:46
*** thingee has quit IRC14:46
*** aweeks has quit IRC14:46
*** devananda has quit IRC14:46
*** flaper87 has quit IRC14:46
*** lxsli has quit IRC14:46
*** mrodden has quit IRC14:46
*** darrenc has quit IRC14:46
*** fungi has quit IRC14:46
*** dgonzalez has quit IRC14:46
*** mattoliverau has quit IRC14:46
*** guitarzan has quit IRC14:46
*** _matthias_ has quit IRC14:46
*** nikhil_k-away has quit IRC14:46
*** dteselkin has quit IRC14:46
*** intr1nsic has quit IRC14:46
*** joearnold has quit IRC14:46
*** rharwood_ is now known as rharwood14:46
*** EmilienM_ is now known as EmilienM14:46
*** dguerri_ is now known as dguerri14:46
*** dguerri has quit IRC14:46
*** dguerri has joined #openstack-meeting14:46
*** juzuluag_ has joined #openstack-meeting14:46
*** intr1nsic_ is now known as intr1nsic14:46
ShillaSaebiok moving on14:46
*** ociuhandu_ is now known as ociuhandu14:46
*** mtreinish_ is now known as mtreinish14:46
*** mrodden_ is now known as mrodden14:46
*** dgonzalez_ is now known as dgonzalez14:46
ShillaSaebi#topic Ironic Docs14:46
*** openstack changes topic to "Ironic Docs (Meeting topic: docteam)"14:46
*** annegentle has quit IRC14:47
*** NikitaKonovalov2 is now known as NikitaKonovalov14:47
*** madong_ is now known as larainema14:47
ShillaSaebiGauvain, Nick and myself were going to be working on reviewing the ironic install guide14:47
*** ayoung has joined #openstack-meeting14:47
*** gsagie has joined #openstack-meeting14:47
*** rpodolyaka has joined #openstack-meeting14:47
*** gsagie has left #openstack-meeting14:47
Sam-I-Amis there any reason the ironic install guide is in devdocs?14:47
Sam-I-Amseems like something that should be in the more official docs14:47
ShillaSaebiI think we wanted to move it over but wanted some docs people to review them first14:48
*** dteselkin has joined #openstack-meeting14:48
*** rhe00_ has joined #openstack-meeting14:48
*** joearnold has joined #openstack-meeting14:48
ShillaSaebiso we did that and theres been heavy discussion on conventions14:48
ShillaSaebiso none of the reviews moved forward14:48
*** thingee_ is now known as thingee14:48
*** DericHorn-HP has joined #openstack-meeting14:48
*** sicarie has joined #openstack-meeting14:48
AJaeger_Sam-I-Am: spelling of "Bare Metal" vs "Bare metal"14:48
*** nelsnels_ has quit IRC14:49
ShillaSaebithere's some contention over standards on this at the moment, which we're trying to work out. Lana is suppose to be in touch with the PTL from ironic14:49
*** flaper87 has joined #openstack-meeting14:49
*** flaper87 has quit IRC14:49
*** flaper87 has joined #openstack-meeting14:49
*** carl_baldwin has joined #openstack-meeting14:49
AJaeger_annegentle is reviewing this with the TC, plan is to create consistency across projects14:49
*** nelsnelson has joined #openstack-meeting14:49
Sam-I-AmAJaeger_: oh, yuck14:49
*** heyongli has quit IRC14:49
ShillaSaebiyeah feel free to look at those to catch up on what's going on14:50
ShillaSaebiit's been a little messy but hopefully will get resolved soon14:50
ShillaSaebiany questions on this?14:51
ShillaSaebi#topic APAC Meetups14:51
*** openstack changes topic to "APAC Meetups (Meeting topic: docteam)"14:51
*** yassine__ has quit IRC14:51
ShillaSaebiPlanning for an APAC OpenStack meet up, ping asettle & adahms14:51
ShillaSaebiPlanning for APAC Docs Swarm on 13-14 August, ping Suyog14:51
*** hazmat_ is now known as hazmat14:51
ShillaSaebithe APAC OpenStack meetup was originally planned for June but that clearly didn't happen14:51
ShillaSaebiany questions/comments?14:52
*** ygbo has joined #openstack-meeting14:52
ShillaSaebi#topic Spotlight bugs14:52
*** openstack changes topic to "Spotlight bugs (Meeting topic: docteam)"14:52
*** aysyd has joined #openstack-meeting14:52
*** aweeks has joined #openstack-meeting14:52
*** heyongli has joined #openstack-meeting14:52
ShillaSaebi#info Last week's spotlight bugs: two were closed, the third is in progress. Yay!14:52
ShillaSaebi#info #link Glance image properties and values (low hanging fruit)14:53
openstackLaunchpad bug 1330005 in openstack-manuals "Glance image properties and values are not documented" [Medium,Fix released] - Assigned to idzzy (idzzy)14:53
*** sgotliv has joined #openstack-meeting14:53
*** matrohon has quit IRC14:53
*** matrohon has joined #openstack-meeting14:53
ShillaSaebi#info #link Nova notification_driver14:53
openstackLaunchpad bug 1394397 in openstack-manuals "notification_driver is poorly documented" [Low,Triaged]14:53
ShillaSaebi#info #link iPXE ISO boot support14:53
openstackLaunchpad bug 1205402 in openstack-manuals " xenapi: Added iPXE ISO boot support" [Medium,Won't fix]14:53
*** lxsli has joined #openstack-meeting14:53
*** asadoughi has joined #openstack-meeting14:53
*** marcusvrn has joined #openstack-meeting14:54
*** ctlaugh_ has joined #openstack-meeting14:54
*** fungi has joined #openstack-meeting14:54
ShillaSaebithe spotlight bugs seem to be working great, so we will continue bringing these up14:54
*** antonym has joined #openstack-meeting14:54
ShillaSaebiany questions on the spotlight bugs?14:54
*** jhenner has joined #openstack-meeting14:54
Sam-I-Amhow does one spotlight a bug?14:54
ShillaSaebithat's a GREAT question14:55
ShillaSaebithey come from the newsletter14:55
ShillaSaebiso we should ask Lana who they're chosen14:55
*** geoffarnold has joined #openstack-meeting14:55
*** Swanson has joined #openstack-meeting14:55
*** adityav has quit IRC14:55
*** vivek-ebay has joined #openstack-meeting14:55
*** gsagie has joined #openstack-meeting14:55
ShillaSaebi#action Shilla to find out how spotlight bugs are chose14:55
AJaeger_Sam-I-Am: do you have one you like to spotlight? Consider adding it to loquacities's drafting page for the news letter...14:56
ShillaSaebichosen* aghhh14:56
*** xylan_kong has joined #openstack-meeting14:56
ShillaSaebiyeah thats a good idea14:56
Sam-I-AmAJaeger_: oh, i havent seen the drafting page either :/14:56
AJaeger_Sam-I-Am: read her news letter completely, it contains a link ;)14:56
*** gsagie has left #openstack-meeting14:56
Sam-I-AmAJaeger_: i figured as much14:56
*** edwarnicke_ is now known as edwarnicke14:56
AJaeger_ - second paragraph14:57
*** ub has quit IRC14:57
*** irenab has joined #openstack-meeting14:57
ShillaSaebiok we've got 3 minutes before we've got to give up the room14:57
ShillaSaebi#topic Open discussion14:57
*** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: docteam)"14:57
*** heyongli has quit IRC14:57
ShillaSaebianything anyone wants to bring up14:57
*** subscope has joined #openstack-meeting14:57
*** geoffarnold has quit IRC14:57
Sam-I-Amthis is a serious bug -
openstackLaunchpad bug 1428317 in keystonemiddleware "Turn auth_token plugin config blog post into docs" [High,Triaged] - Assigned to Jamie Lennox (jamielennox)14:57
*** VanL_ has quit IRC14:57
Sam-I-Amalthough its not in the docs repo14:58
Sam-I-Amthe primary dev for keystone middleware flat out refuses to write docs14:58
*** VanL has joined #openstack-meeting14:58
*** sballe has joined #openstack-meeting14:58
*** geoffarnold has joined #openstack-meeting14:58
Sam-I-Amthis will be the second time keystone middleware has undergone significant changes with 0 docs outside of a blog post14:58
Sam-I-Ami've had to reverse engineer it both times14:58
*** dwalleck has joined #openstack-meeting14:58
*** heyongli has joined #openstack-meeting14:59
Sam-I-Amnot sure who to contact about that14:59
*** margaret__ has joined #openstack-meeting14:59
Sam-I-Ammaybe the keystone folks14:59
*** kun_huang has joined #openstack-meeting14:59
*** vivek-ebay has quit IRC15:00
ShillaSaebimaybe some of the change owners15:01
ShillaSaebiok looks like we're at time15:01
ShillaSaebithank you everyone15:01
ShillaSaebii have to jump off for another meeting15:01
*** devanand1 is now known as devananda15:01
*** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: networking)"15:02
openstackMeeting ended Wed Jul  1 15:02:02 2015 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at . (v 0.1.4)15:02
openstackMinutes (text):
*** xyang1 has joined #openstack-meeting15:02
*** AJaeger_ has left #openstack-meeting15:02
*** Sam-I-Am has left #openstack-meeting15:02
*** MarkAtwood has joined #openstack-meeting15:02
*** derekh has joined #openstack-meeting15:03
*** safchain has quit IRC15:04
*** yingjun has quit IRC15:04
*** rex_lee has joined #openstack-meeting15:05
*** otter768 has joined #openstack-meeting15:05
*** ganeshna has joined #openstack-meeting15:05
*** guitarza1 is now known as guitarzan15:06
*** tchaypo has joined #openstack-meeting15:06
*** ajayaa_ has quit IRC15:07
*** Longgeek has joined #openstack-meeting15:07
*** e0ne_ is now known as e0ne15:07
*** Longgeek has quit IRC15:07
*** jckasper has joined #openstack-meeting15:07
*** mmedvede has quit IRC15:08
*** ShillaSaebi has quit IRC15:08
*** sicarie has quit IRC15:08
*** Longgeek has joined #openstack-meeting15:08
*** jlanoux_ has joined #openstack-meeting15:08
*** katomo has quit IRC15:09
*** jlanoux has quit IRC15:09
*** amakarov_away is now known as amakarov15:09
*** Apoorva has joined #openstack-meeting15:09
*** otter768 has quit IRC15:10
*** belmoreira has quit IRC15:10
*** yingjun has joined #openstack-meeting15:10
*** MeganR has left #openstack-meeting15:11
*** haneef has quit IRC15:11
*** Longgeek has quit IRC15:12
*** otoolee has joined #openstack-meeting15:12
*** dkusidlo has joined #openstack-meeting15:14
*** dmorita has joined #openstack-meeting15:14
*** Longgeek has joined #openstack-meeting15:14
*** xingchao_ has quit IRC15:15
*** enikanorov2_ has quit IRC15:15
*** amrith is now known as _amrith_15:18
*** tdasilva has joined #openstack-meeting15:19
*** e0ne is now known as e0ne_15:19
*** e0ne_ is now known as e0ne15:20
*** VanL has quit IRC15:20
*** rjaiswal has joined #openstack-meeting15:21
*** VanL has joined #openstack-meeting15:22
*** armax has joined #openstack-meeting15:22
*** unicell has joined #openstack-meeting15:23
*** dkusidlo has quit IRC15:24
*** Sukhdev has joined #openstack-meeting15:24
*** dmorita has quit IRC15:25
*** enikanorov2 has joined #openstack-meeting15:25
*** afazekas has quit IRC15:26
*** scheuran has quit IRC15:26
*** safchain has joined #openstack-meeting15:26
*** IlyaG has quit IRC15:26
*** Fdot has quit IRC15:27
*** aarefiev_home has joined #openstack-meeting15:28
*** _matthias__ is now known as _matthias_15:29
*** CaerbannogRabbit is now known as morganfainberg15:30
*** Fdot has joined #openstack-meeting15:31
*** lpeer__ has joined #openstack-meeting15:32
*** lpeer_ has quit IRC15:32
*** marun has joined #openstack-meeting15:32
*** coolsvap|away is now known as coolsvap15:33
*** banix has joined #openstack-meeting15:33
*** mmedvede has joined #openstack-meeting15:34
*** tsekiyama has joined #openstack-meeting15:36
*** jaypipes has quit IRC15:37
*** hrou_ has joined #openstack-meeting15:37
*** hrou has quit IRC15:37
*** lufix has quit IRC15:38
*** PrashantS has joined #openstack-meeting15:38
*** PrashantS has quit IRC15:38
*** Apoorva has quit IRC15:39
*** PrashantS has joined #openstack-meeting15:39
*** unicell has quit IRC15:39
*** jasondotstar has quit IRC15:39
*** smazziotta has quit IRC15:40
*** pbourke has quit IRC15:40
*** pbourke has joined #openstack-meeting15:40
*** VanL has quit IRC15:40
*** fzdarsky has quit IRC15:41
*** yingjun has quit IRC15:42
*** liuxg has joined #openstack-meeting15:42
*** balajiiyer has joined #openstack-meeting15:42
*** singlethink has quit IRC15:44
*** coolsvap is now known as coolsvap|away15:44
*** ajayaa_ has joined #openstack-meeting15:48
*** adurbin_ has joined #openstack-meeting15:48
*** dkusidlo has joined #openstack-meeting15:50
*** jasondotstar has joined #openstack-meeting15:50
*** dannywilson has joined #openstack-meeting15:52
*** ivar-lazzaro has joined #openstack-meeting15:53
*** ivar-lazzaro has quit IRC15:53
*** SrikanthPoolla has joined #openstack-meeting15:53
*** VanL has joined #openstack-meeting15:53
*** ivar-lazzaro has joined #openstack-meeting15:54
*** dkusidlo has quit IRC15:55
*** hemnafk is now known as hemna15:55
*** comay has joined #openstack-meeting15:55
*** scohen1 has joined #openstack-meeting15:55
*** fallenpegasus has joined #openstack-meeting15:56
*** alop has joined #openstack-meeting15:56
*** irenab has quit IRC15:57
*** flip214 has joined #openstack-meeting15:57
*** henrynash has joined #openstack-meeting15:57
*** erlon has joined #openstack-meeting15:57
*** elo1 has joined #openstack-meeting15:57
*** jseiler has joined #openstack-meeting15:57
*** tbarron has joined #openstack-meeting15:58
*** patrickeast has joined #openstack-meeting15:58
*** mriedem has joined #openstack-meeting15:58
*** deepakcs has joined #openstack-meeting15:58
*** irenab has joined #openstack-meeting15:59
*** xyang2 has joined #openstack-meeting15:59
*** nmagnezi has quit IRC15:59
thingee#startmeeting cinder16:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Jul  1 16:00:04 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is thingee. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: cinder)"16:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'cinder'16:00
*** MaxPC has quit IRC16:00
*** zongliang has joined #openstack-meeting16:00
*** sudipto has joined #openstack-meeting16:00
*** armax has quit IRC16:00
thingeehi everyone!16:00
*** elo has quit IRC16:01
*** aimon has quit IRC16:01
thingee#topic announcements16:01
*** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: cinder)"16:01
thingee#info Cinder is not accepting anymore drivers for liberty16:01
thingeePlease stop harassing me on PM's about it16:01
*** winston-d has joined #openstack-meeting16:02
thingeeI will be approving RPC and version object work by thangp this week16:02
*** geguileo has joined #openstack-meeting16:02
thingee#info spec for rpc compat is planned to be approved this week16:02
thingeespeak now or hold your peace16:02
thingee#info Return request id to caller cross project will be approved this week16:03
thingeespeak now or hold your peace. Cinder client will be receiving this treatment in Liberty16:03
thingee#topic Encrypted volumes16:04
*** openstack changes topic to "Encrypted volumes (Meeting topic: cinder)"16:04
thingeemriedem: hi!16:04
*** aarefiev_home has quit IRC16:04
*** garthb has joined #openstack-meeting16:04
*** garthb_ has joined #openstack-meeting16:04
thingee#info mailing list post16:04
*** kjnelson has joined #openstack-meeting16:04
mriedemso i just read over the latest on the cinder change to set the encrypted flag globally in connection_info16:04
mriedemlooks like everyone is in general agreement this is goodness so our heads aren't in the sand16:04
*** diemt has joined #openstack-meeting16:05
mriedemthe tempets change to add the config option to disable the encrypted volume tests is merged16:05
*** Shashank has joined #openstack-meeting16:05
*** singlethink has joined #openstack-meeting16:05
hemnamriedem, does that also mean it will get saved in nova's bdm ?16:05
mriedemi pinged some -qa guys for the d-g and devstack changes16:05
mriedemhemna: yeah16:05
hemnaok cool16:05
mriedemtbarron: was good enough to open some nova bugs16:05
thingeeIs everyone fine with my decision here?
mriedemso those are on the radar, one looks simple (rootwrap filter update?) and the other i'm not sure about, some in-use race or something16:05
*** leeantho has joined #openstack-meeting16:06
*** devvesa has quit IRC16:06
thingeewe will just enable this and see which CI's surface with this problem and deal with them on a case by case16:06
tbarronmriedem: there may of course be other bugs exposed once e.g. the rootwrap is fixed16:06
tbarronthingee: +116:06
*** dwalleck has quit IRC16:06
mriedemtbarron: sure - this is not a very well exposed area,16:06
mriedemso i expect more bugs16:06
*** aarefiev_home has joined #openstack-meeting16:06
mriedemtbarron: were you working on any of the nova fixes, or just reporting?16:06
*** albertom has joined #openstack-meeting16:06
*** Longgeek has quit IRC16:06
tbarronI'd like other 3rd party CIs to check againgst these two bugs and not just assume their failures are the same16:06
thingee#agreed enable tempest, let ci's surface and work with maintainers to resolve issues in their backend/drivers16:06
thingeemriedem: thanks :)16:07
thingeemriedem: and for all your work on tracking this issue down16:07
xyang2I've added comments there as our failures are similar to tbarron's16:07
tbarronmriedem: I'd do the rootwrap one right now but I can't submit upstream this week (company is down this week, and I have to get approval)16:07
mriedemtbarron: ok, i'll check it out today16:07
xyang2FC error is the same as NFS because it uses rootwrap for iscsi16:07
tbarronmriedem: the 'in use' bug is tricky I think16:07
*** asselin_ has quit IRC16:07
xyang2iSCSI error is exactly the same as tbarron's16:07
*** dwalleck has joined #openstack-meeting16:07
deepakcstbarron: which two bugs, any links ?16:07
*** Longgeek has joined #openstack-meeting16:08
openstackLaunchpad bug 1470142 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Nova volume encryptors attach volume fails for NFS and FC" [Medium,Triaged]16:08
*** egallen_ has joined #openstack-meeting16:08
openstackLaunchpad bug 1470562 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "'in use' error when Nova volume encryptors format cinder volumes" [Medium,Confirmed]16:08
xyang2tbarron: I modified the bug to add FC there16:08
*** rajinir has joined #openstack-meeting16:08
tbarronxyang2: yes, I saw, thanks!  would you also add to/modify the in-use bug?16:08
*** jcoufal has quit IRC16:08
*** egallen has quit IRC16:08
*** egallen_ is now known as egallen16:08
thingeemriedem: anything else to add?16:09
*** dwalleck has quit IRC16:09
xyang2tbarron: sure, I didn't see it yesterday16:09
mriedemthingee: nope16:09
tbarronxyang2: that's because I just now filed it16:09
thingee#topic CI job changes16:09
*** openstack changes topic to "CI job changes (Meeting topic: cinder)"16:09
thingeee0ne: hi16:09
hemnamriedem, I wonder if my FC nova patch helps out at all ?
thingee#idea make gate-rally-dsvm-cinder job voting16:09
e0neit's table enough16:09
hemnamriedem, it's been sitting there for a bit w/o attention.16:09
hemnamriedem, it also helps live migration for FC16:09
e0neand it's only one job wich tests cinder+python-cinderclient16:10
e0nealso, it covers cases which are not tested by tempest16:10
*** andreykurilin__ has joined #openstack-meeting16:10
e0nee.g. lastest bug with broken backups16:10
jgriffiththingee: e0ne I'm not completely sure about stability on that16:10
thingeee0ne: are there any other projects that have move rally to voting?16:10
e0nethingee: i don't know;(16:10
jgriffiththingee: e0ne but I'm +1 if it is16:10
mriedemnova doesn't have a rally job16:10
thingeee0ne: do you have any stats on the stability?16:11
*** SrikanthPoolla has quit IRC16:11
thingeeor how you came to the conclusion of it being stable16:11
e0nethingee: we could get it using logstash16:11
mriedeme0ne: i think you should check out graphite16:11
*** fallenpegasus has quit IRC16:11
mriedemlogstash only has 10 days of results16:11
*** dwalleck has joined #openstack-meeting16:11
*** SrikanthPoolla has joined #openstack-meeting16:11
mriedemgraphite has release cycles worth16:11
mriedemthat's how we knew the ceph job stabilized16:12
mriedembefore making it votiing16:12
thingeeIn previous decisions of making things voting like Ceph we have used stats no problem. I don't see any harm in looking that over before we make a decision.16:12
*** unicell has joined #openstack-meeting16:12
*** jbernard has joined #openstack-meeting16:12
*** Longgeek has quit IRC16:12
*** kvidvans has joined #openstack-meeting16:12
thingeenot sure how long this will take, and if we should just circle back16:13
*** Shashank has quit IRC16:13
e0nei'm sorry, i didn't get any stats right now:(16:13
thingeeok, I'm fine with it. I'm not sure who is opposed, but if it's stable, sure why not?16:13
DuncanTAgreed - if it is stable then it sounds like a good idea16:13
e0netbh, i didn't see any fals-negative reports lasw 2 weeks16:14
*** sankarshan is now known as sankarshan_away16:14
*** puranamr has joined #openstack-meeting16:14
mriedemyfried was saying rally was broken in -infra yesteday16:14
mriedemdue to some jsonschema/functools32 stuff16:14
*** Fdot has quit IRC16:14
e0nei could get some stats and post it to a commit with making job voting16:14
*** Apoorva has joined #openstack-meeting16:14
thingeee0ne: that sounds like a good idea to move forward16:14
e0nemriedem: it was broken becose some projects were broken16:14
mriedeme0ne: what's the name of the job?16:15
*** avishay has joined #openstack-meeting16:15
thingee"not my project, this other project was broken."16:15
avishayhi all, sorry i'm late16:15
*** DericHorn-HP has quit IRC16:15
thingeeavishay: you're just in time16:15
e0nethingee: tbh, rally was broken not with cinder related jobs:)16:15
dannywilsone0ne: is there a plan/maintainer if the job starts posting false negatives?  point of contact?16:15
*** smcginnis has joined #openstack-meeting16:15
* DuncanT can't find jenkins votes in graphite :-(16:16
e0nedannywilson: it cold be me16:16
e0neDuncanT: +116:16
*** irenab has quit IRC16:16
winston-dI can see gate-rally-dsvm-designate/ironic/manila/mistral/murano/zaqar and some more in graphite16:16
mriedemDuncanT: i can find you stats in graphite16:16
e0nedannywilson: i have +2 for cinder-related patches to rally16:16
smcginnisDuncanT: graphite data loss yesterday due to the storage outage.16:16
*** dwalleck has quit IRC16:16
*** hashar has quit IRC16:16
thingeesmcginnis: ha16:16
winston-dsmcginnis: wondering what kind of storage backend they were using16:17
DuncanTsmcginnis: mriedem: I think I might just be looking in the wrong place... a search in graphite for 'cinder' or 'rally' both fail though16:17
*** DericHorn-HP has joined #openstack-meeting16:17
dannywilsone0ne: okay, can we post that somewhere like a wiki page so others can find it too?16:17
smcginniswinston-d: Not mine! :)16:17
thingeedannywilson: we'll discuss this in the next meeting so people can find it16:17
flip214DuncanT: you'll need an URL like this:
thingeenice URL16:17
dannywilsonsounds good16:17
*** SrikanthPoolla has quit IRC16:18
thingee#agreed get stats, discuss in next week's meeting16:18
*** garthb_ has quit IRC16:18
*** garthb has quit IRC16:18
*** srikanthpoolla has joined #openstack-meeting16:18
dannywilsone0ne: thanks16:18
e0nethingee: thanks!16:18
thingee#action e0ne to get stats and include in review comments for enabling voting job16:18
thingeee0ne: thanks16:18
flip214DuncanT: or, even better: go to,16:18
flip214and use a search filter like that:  project:"openstack/cinder"  AND build_name:"check-tempest-dsvm-full-drbd-devstack-nv" AND "Detailed logs" AND build_status:"FAILURE"16:18
thingee#topic Remove LIO iSCSI helper from Cinder16:19
*** openstack changes topic to "Remove LIO iSCSI helper from Cinder (Meeting topic: cinder)"16:19
thingeeavishay: hi16:19
avishaythingee: hey16:19
thingee#idea remove LIO iscsi helper16:19
avishayso maybe the topic is a little too ... enthusiastic16:19
eharneycould we perhaps start with the _problem_ rather than "remove it"16:19
e0nethingee: what about cinderclient  functional tests job?16:19
thingee#info broken in Juno16:19
avishaybut LIO in juno is currently broken and has no CI16:19
avishayother iSCSI targets (except tgt AFAIK) have no CI either16:19
eharneyi am now taking up the effort for doing CI for LVM+LIO16:19
thingeeavishay: FYI, we really had no ci's in juno16:19
avishaythe nfs driver has no CI AFAIK16:20
jgriffitheharney: to be fair I raised this last cycle that it's "unknown" how to install and run on Ubuntu and has no CI16:20
jgriffitheharney: and isn't well tested.16:20
jgriffitheharney: IMO we should either get it fixed up and CI'd or remove it16:20
*** jordanP has joined #openstack-meeting16:20
eharneyjgriffith: i agree it's a problem.  so let's fix it16:20
tbarroneharney: +116:20
eharneyi will do CI16:20
thingeeavishay:  also LIO-iser is exactly what mellanox ci does16:20
geguileoeharney: +116:20
thingeehowever, it's down right now16:20
thingeeaccording to stats16:20
jgriffitheharney: so I quite getting calls from EVERY customer that runs RHEL and it breaks every other iSCSI dev16:21
jgriffitheharney: I'm with ya on that16:21
jgriffithfixing it16:21
jgriffithI'm fine with that16:21
hemnacan we fix the LIO helper instead of removing it ?16:21
jgriffithto avishay 's point, the only way people care is when you threaten removal16:21
geguileohemna: +116:21
avishayanyway, i love CI as a deployer, but setting up a test env with LVM or NFS has been rough16:21
jungleboyjeharney: Thanks for being willing to do that.16:21
tbarronhemna: +116:21
jgriffithhemna: keep up hemna !! :)16:21
thingee#info Mellanox CI does provide CI for LIO-iser16:21
jungleboyjhemna: ++16:21
*** jlanoux_ has quit IRC16:21
jgriffithtbarron: you've +1 that comment 3 times.. shouldn't it be +3 :)16:22
geguileoeharney: Thanks for taking the work out of my hands  :)16:22
tbarronjgriffith: :-)16:22
jgriffiththingee: that doesn't work FWIW16:22
avishayi didn't mean to remove it today, but i think drivers (and iscsi targets) that don't have CI should be removed for liberty16:22
thingeejgriffith: well it's also marked down :)16:22
*** ajayaa_ has quit IRC16:22
avishayincluding nfs, including the iscsi targets16:22
*** ajayaa has joined #openstack-meeting16:22
jgriffiththingee: and IMO not really applicable if you're not running mellanox anyway :)16:22
*** leftback has quit IRC16:22
*** larainema has quit IRC16:22
*** rbak has joined #openstack-meeting16:23
hemnaavishay, as a side note, we've been slowly getting folks to do CI on os-brick patches.  it's kinda a similar setup16:23
jungleboyjavishay: I am concerned by the number of people that would potentially effect.16:23
*** _nadya_ has quit IRC16:23
thingeejgriffith: maybe... I still think there is value in that code path being tested?16:23
jungleboyjavishay: I think we need to work on addressing the problems.16:23
hemnabut I think we need to have CI for each of the target objects.16:23
jgriffiththingee: for sure16:23
*** larainema has joined #openstack-meeting16:23
avishayjungleboyj: you're not concerned about the number of people running broken drivers?  i'd rather have it not there than waste days trying to get it working.16:23
*** pratikmallya has quit IRC16:23
*** ganeshna has quit IRC16:24
*** sdake has joined #openstack-meeting16:24
*** whenry_ has joined #openstack-meeting16:24
jgriffiththingee: I'm just saying we shouldn't rely on a vendors impl of the target for the CI etc16:24
thingeehemna: I think we made a decision earlier this release about target driver cis16:24
avishayhemna: CI for brick is great as well16:24
*** gyee has joined #openstack-meeting16:24
hemnathingee, ok sorry I don't remember what that was.  sorry for the churn16:24
thingeejgriffith: so since things like LIO is open source, should we start working with infra to get a ci job in place?16:25
DuncanTavishay: CI takes time to set up... eharney is on the case for LIO16:25
jgriffiththe duplication factor is somethign I still question but we can discuss offline16:25
jungleboyjavishay: If you are a RedHat user I believe you have to use LIO.  Alienate a whole customer base.16:25
avishayanyway, that's all i have, hope to see CIs soon16:25
jgriffiththingee: that's what I was thinking16:25
thingeehemna: that was more of a question, I'm unsure :P ... can't keep track16:25
avishayjungleboyj: yes16:25
hemnaoh :)16:25
jungleboyjavishay: Nice.16:25
avishayRH7 has depracated tgt and the cinder package is preconfigured to use LIO16:25
*** irenab has joined #openstack-meeting16:25
jungleboyjthingee: What was the decision?16:25
thingee#info this is the second time LIO has been proposed to be removed I think16:26
*** rushiagr_away has joined #openstack-meeting16:26
thingeejungleboyj: I think I said they need CI's, but there was no follow up communication16:26
avishaythere is also iet and scst, which i don't know what they are16:26
eharneyi'm not too familiar on details from the first time16:26
thingeethere needs to be ci's*16:26
thingeeeharney: we had an angry bug about lio...and just setting things up in ubuntu. I'll leave it at that.16:26
*** fallenpegasus has joined #openstack-meeting16:26
eharneyuh, ok16:26
avishaybottom line, this fell through the cracks, it sucks, let's get CIs ASAP please :)16:27
avishayfor nfs too please16:27
*** matrohon has quit IRC16:27
thingeenfs and block device driver...16:27
*** Shashank has joined #openstack-meeting16:27
eharneyNFS and block device won't pass currently16:27
thingeeunfortunately the block device driver as I understand won't pass tempest today16:27
jordanPnfs doesn't support snapshot, how could it pass the CI ?16:27
thingee^ exactly16:27
eharneyi and some others have been slowly poking at getting snapshots into the NFS driver16:27
eharneycurrent blocking point is a bug in Nova that i'm not clear really has an owner16:28
DuncanTblock device driver doesn't meet minimum features... it is one of the reasons we have so many ABCs16:28
avishayblock device driver can probably pass some subset, no?16:28
jordanPeharney, which bug in nova ?16:28
thingeeoh darn we should talk about abc's if we have time jgriffith16:28
eharneyjordanP: looking16:28
DuncanTI'm tempted to say block device driver should just be pulled TBH16:28
openstackLaunchpad bug 1416132 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "_get_instance_disk_info fails to read files from NFS due to permissions" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Eric Harney (eharney)16:29
thingeeDuncanT: I think that harms projects like sahara though?16:29
eharneythe block device driver can't support snapshots, right?16:29
avishayeharney: no16:29
eharneyoh, ok16:29
winston-deharney: no16:29
avishayeharney: i guess it can 'dd', but that's pretty terrible16:29
DuncanTthingee: Not enough that anybody has stepped up to CI it... Infra will host it if somebody can get it even slightly close to working16:29
smcginnisDuncanT: I thought Mirantis was using BlockDeviceDriver for something.16:30
DuncanTeharney: Correct16:30
winston-de0ne: are you guys still using it? Or Sahara guys?16:30
smcginnisMaybe that was Sahara.16:30
thingeesmcginnis: yup!16:30
SergeyLukjanovhey folks16:30
e0newinston-d: yes16:30
*** alop has quit IRC16:30
jordanPeharney, "if processing a qcow2 backing file" -->>> work around for the CI would be to run nfs_use_qcow2 = False16:30
e0newe're going to make CI for it16:30
SergeyLukjanovthis driver is used by the bunch of sahara users16:30
e0neSergeyLukjanov: comfirm, please about CI16:30
*** aimon has joined #openstack-meeting16:30
eharneyjordanP: that isn't sufficient because you still get qcow2 files if you use snapshots16:30
SergeyLukjanovit's the only way to make a performant storage for big data processing16:30
SergeyLukjanove0ne, yeah, we're working on making CI for it16:31
e0neSergeyLukjanov: great16:31
DuncanTSergeyLukjanov: Do you have a benchmark .v. local LVM? I can't get more than a few percent difference16:31
SergeyLukjanovour plan now is to add support for it into devstack16:31
*** KLevenstein has left #openstack-meeting16:31
*** tsbot_ has joined #openstack-meeting16:31
winston-dwe have customers want to evaluate hadoop with cinder block device driver16:31
e0nealso, i'm a contact persom for this driver if you need some maintance or bugfixing or new features reauest16:31
*** sarob_ has joined #openstack-meeting16:31
thingeeSergeyLukjanov: by "we're" do you mean mirantis? And if so, is the contact information here ?16:32
*** irenab has quit IRC16:32
SergeyLukjanovDuncanT, it's a recommendation from Hadoop community to use JBOD and not LVM16:33
*** sarob_ has quit IRC16:33
thingeeeharney: what is the progress with snapshots with nfs? can we expect this for liberty?16:33
thingeeand if so, can we begin having a non-voting job hosted by infra?16:33
SergeyLukjanovthingee, yup, we're now designing how it could be tested16:33
*** alop has joined #openstack-meeting16:33
eharneythingee: my understanding is that the majority of the Cinder work can merge once we get the above Nova bug fixed16:34
eharneythingee: but how that Nova issue gets fixed is not clear at the moment16:34
DuncanTSergeyLukjanov: Yeah, but are there any numbers to back it up? I tried to benchmark it and found basically no difference .v. LVM thick, and it is missing major features that complicate cinder somewhat16:34
thingeeSergeyLukjanov: great and I'm assuming for my second question the contact is e0ne or someone else?16:34
e0nethingee: i posted answer few minutes earlier16:34
*** BharatK has quit IRC16:34
thingeeeharney: that's right, I think the nova bug is linked with the bluepirnt16:34
eharneythingee: yes16:35
thingeeavishay: there16:35
avishaythingee: yup16:35
SergeyLukjanovthingee, yes, e0ne will be contact for it16:35
*** vilobhmm has joined #openstack-meeting16:35
thingeeSergeyLukjanov: thanks16:35
*** geoffarnold has quit IRC16:35
jordanPeharney, we also need to get in I think16:35
avishayi know CI takes some time, but these drivers/targets fell through the cracks, and i think we should set some deadline for them too16:36
SergeyLukjanovDuncanT, hm, I have no numbers in mind, just everyone who using Hadoop is asking for directly mapped disks, not lvm16:36
*** Swami has joined #openstack-meeting16:36
eharneyjordanP: yes, and volume format tracking16:36
thingee#info nfs ci is blocked by not supporting CI which is blocked by a nova bug16:36
avishayi obviously don't want LIO removed since that's what we use for our internal tests, but i'd like to know that it works :)16:36
eharneythingee: and
thingee#info block device is in progress by mirantis. e0ne is point of contact16:36
e0neSergeyLukjanov, DuncanT: i believe, we can make some performance results for it16:36
*** rbak has quit IRC16:36
DuncanTe0ne: thanks16:37
winston-de0ne: that will be great16:37
thingee#info nfs ci is also blocked by
e0nenote: i didn't promice anything :)16:37
thingeeeharney: I will make a point to talk to johnthetubaguy about it.16:37
e0nebut i'll try to do it...16:37
thingeehe reached out to me recently on syncing on some issues between nova and cinder16:37
winston-de0ne: we believe what you believe16:37
*** yamada-h has joined #openstack-meeting16:37
thingeeavishay: anything else?16:38
e0newinston-d: :)16:38
avishaythingee: nope, thanks for the stage :)16:38
*** jwcroppe_ has joined #openstack-meeting16:38
*** ociuhandu has quit IRC16:38
thingee#topic volume migration16:38
*** openstack changes topic to "volume migration (Meeting topic: cinder)"16:38
*** phil_ has quit IRC16:38
thingeejungleboyj: hi16:38
thingee#info current spec in review16:38
thingeeso I'm just about fine with this. I did think it was weird the only way to get progress on a migration is through ceilometer16:39
jungleboyjthingee: Oh, I didn't know I was on the hook for this.16:39
thingeethe only way around this is to store the progress in the db and have an api call to get it.16:39
*** derekh has quit IRC16:39
jungleboyjI was just looking at that review.16:39
thingeejungleboyj: sorry vincent isn't around16:39
jungleboyjthingee: No problem.16:39
jungleboyjYeah, I agree we should be able to get the status from in Cinder.16:40
thingeedoes anyone have thoughts, opinions with the migration progress being stored and accessible via api16:40
erlonthingee: having an api for that is not an option?16:40
jungleboyjAre you ok with tracking the progress in the DB?16:40
*** jwcroppe has quit IRC16:40
thingeeerlon: that's was my suggestion earlier. vincent just added that in the updated patch of the spec16:40
avishayi think the overall spec is very good.  i reviewed it a while ago and it may have changed slightly since, but it's definitely in the right direction.16:40
erlonthingee: ok16:41
thingeejungleboyj: I'm fine, i wanted other people to raise concerns16:41
*** jckasper has quit IRC16:41
erlonim setting up an environment with all backends I can to test vicent's patches, my idea is start with LVM, HNAS NFS HNAS iSCSI, HUS VM, HUS11016:41
avishayi'm not crazy about a progress bar in the DB because it's not persistent.16:42
thingeehere's the diff between the changes when I raised some comments in the spec that introduces additional documentation for driver maintainers on how to develop this and getting migration status from the db,cm16:42
erlonthen have a matrix of what works and problems of BE integration16:42
DuncanTThe two risks with progress in the db are stale data and too many updates16:42
avishayDuncanT: +116:42
*** yamada-h has quit IRC16:42
erlonany suggestion of tests? or other scenarios??16:43
jgriffithWe currently don't do "progress" updates for anything else, do we need to for this?16:43
avishaymaybe cinder-volume can periodically notify cinder-scheduler via RPC16:43
jgriffithIf so, it could be "later" work, and def shouldn't be Ceilo dep IMHO16:43
avishayor even better16:43
thingeeDuncanT: yeah think of cases where we have a mass migration happening because we need to switch from one pool to another. That would be a lot of updates happening. This won't be an everyday then, but still something to consider.16:43
avishayif the API is called, just ask cinder-volume what the progress is right now16:43
jgriffithavishay: +116:43
DuncanTjgriffith: I'd love to add progress to backups - I'd probably do it via an RPC to the backup service though, so the info is fresh16:43
thingeejgriffith: +116:43
*** ygbo has quit IRC16:44
*** marrusl has joined #openstack-meeting16:44
DuncanTavishay: +116:44
*** geoffarnold has joined #openstack-meeting16:44
e0neDuncanT: +116:44
thingeeavishay: +116:44
thingeeavishay: can you raise a comment with that suggestion?16:44
avishaythingee: sure16:44
thingeeSo assuming vincent has that updated, would people be fine with me approving this spec this week?16:44
smcginnisthingee: +116:45
thingeeassuming no one raises blocking concerns16:45
erlonthingee: +16:45
thingeeand by this week I mean friday. gives you time to read things now16:45
*** srikanthpoolla has quit IRC16:45
jungleboyjHaving more progress info in Cinder would be great.16:45
*** Longgeek has joined #openstack-meeting16:45
jungleboyjthingee: +116:46
xyang2thingee: +116:46
thingee#idea have progress for volume migration come from api -> c-vol16:46
*** rbak has joined #openstack-meeting16:46
winston-dthingee: aren't you guys in holiday this friday?16:46
*** deepakcs has quit IRC16:46
thingeewinston-d: I never rest16:46
DuncanTjungleboyj: What are the (potentially) slow operations? Backup, image stuff, migration. Maybe snap if you're rackspace?16:46
smcginnisthingee: :)16:46
*** marun has left #openstack-meeting16:46
winston-dthingee:  you just play16:46
thingee#agreed spec will be approved this friday assuming no blocking concerns and vincent updates spec with idea for progress update16:47
*** srikanthpoolla has joined #openstack-meeting16:47
thingeejungleboyj: thanks!16:47
jungleboyjDuncanT: ++16:47
*** Shashank has quit IRC16:47
jungleboyjthingee: Thank you!16:47
thingee#topic HA16:47
*** openstack changes topic to "HA (Meeting topic: cinder)"16:47
thingeegeguileo: hi16:47
geguileothingee: Hi16:47
geguileoLiberty is advancing and I believe right now most HA efforts are waiting on Cinder-nova interactions.16:47
*** BharatK has joined #openstack-meeting16:48
geguileoWe know there's a lot of problems in Nova-Cinder interaction16:48
geguileoAs can be seen in that list16:48
dulekYou mean c-vol A/A probably.16:48
DuncanTgeguileo: The atomic state change in API is a breaking API from client PoV :-(16:48
*** Fdot has joined #openstack-meeting16:48
thingeegeguileo: I dropped a bunch of work on winston-d to work on the error handling with cinder client. have an update winston-d ?16:48
thingeegeguileo: the last time we talked about this we said we address that first.16:48
geguileothingee: Yes16:48
geguileothingee: But in that list I see a lot of things that should not be blocking HA work16:49
geguileoAs I understand there are some interactions that need fixing16:49
geguileoFor HA work to be able to start16:49
hemnafwiw, that etherpad has a ton of issues called out between nova -> cinder.16:49
geguileoAnd others that are generic16:49
winston-dthingee: sorry, not much progress so far, busy separating the company.16:49
geguileohemna: Are they all limiting Cinder to move to atomic state changes?16:49
hemnageguileo, this is just a note taking etherpad that calls out all of the issues, and outstanding bugs16:50
hemnalots of them16:50
DuncanTgeguileo: See above. atomic state change requires an API contract change with our clients, not just nova16:50
geguileoI see the list is big and getting bigger, so16:50
*** vivek-ebay has joined #openstack-meeting16:50
hemnaI also called out some live migration problems in that etherpad as well.  it's not good.16:51
geguileoDuncanT: Really? r:??16:51
*** srikanthpoolla has quit IRC16:51
geguileoDuncanT: But even if we need to update cinderclient that should be fairly easy16:51
dulekDuncanT: Any workaround?16:51
DuncanTgeguileo: We accept certain combinations of commands right now and effectively queue them up on the lock in the volume manager. If we go with atomic state changes, that no longer works16:51
*** sgotliv has quit IRC16:52
dulekgeguileo: DuncanT meant clients like client scripts.16:52
*** srikanthpoolla has joined #openstack-meeting16:52
*** ttrifonov is now known as zz_ttrifonov16:52
hemnathis is a good topic for the meetup :)16:52
dulekAs first version of c-vol A/A we can go with Tooz locks for that.16:52
DuncanTgeguileo: We can't just change cinder-client behaviour - and python-cinderclient is not the only client out there16:52
jungleboyjhemna ++16:52
thingee8 minute warning16:52
*** armax has joined #openstack-meeting16:52
DuncanTdulek: I can't figure out safe lock expiration in tooz16:52
hemnathis first stage in fixing the local volume locks was to put 'ing' checks in the API and then report VolumeIsBusy, and Nova has to cope with that.16:53
dulekDuncanT: Hm? Locks get dropped when service dies.16:53
geguileoDuncanT: There's heartbeats to keep locks16:53
DuncanTdulek: Which leaves crap lying round... not good16:53
hemnaso I thought someone was going to look at the Nova side to expect the volume is busy exception and cope with that as step 1.16:53
geguileoNo heartbeats, they die16:53
*** nfedotov has quit IRC16:53
hemnaI think that's a good idea regardless.16:53
dulekDuncanT: Why do you think that? What kind of "crap"?16:53
*** singleth_ has joined #openstack-meeting16:53
DuncanTdulek: Have cloned volumes... half done snapshots....16:53
geguileoTaskflow could revert those operations16:54
dulekDuncanT: With service I've meant Cinder services. We have such situations already.16:54
DuncanTgeguileo: Only with persistence and really good coding16:54
winston-dhemna: problem is, currently cinder doesn't raise VolumeIsBusy, right? Not until the lock-free change gets in?16:54
dulekDuncanT: right.16:54
hemnawinston-d, it's a catch 2216:54
DuncanTwinston-d: Cinder can't raise it until the client handles it16:55
geguileoDuncanT: With bad coding we would go nowhere anyway16:55
hemnawinston-d, we can't put it in Cinder until Nova handles it, or CI will puke16:55
e0neDuncanT: +1 about taskflow16:55
*** vivek-ebay has quit IRC16:55
DuncanTgeguileo: We've got a long way with some very bad code....16:55
hemnataskflow -1 for me16:55
*** belmoreira has joined #openstack-meeting16:55
*** Shashank has joined #openstack-meeting16:55
hemnawe haven't decided as a team if we are sticking with it yet or not.16:55
geguileoOk, so we basically are saying that we can forget about HA?16:55
dulekOkay, lets get back to using tooz. What's wrong with that besides of some performance issues?16:55
e0neaarefiev is hitting on performance emprovements for persistnace taskflow16:55
geguileoOr wait for API v4?16:55
hemnageguileo, no.16:55
*** melwitt_ is now known as melwitt16:55
jgriffithdulek: it's zookeeper :)16:56
winston-dhemna: ok. thx for clarification. i can move on my change on my 'fixbug1458958' nova branch now.16:56
DuncanTThe persistence we need seems to be at a more course granularity than tasks...16:56
dulekIf c-vol dies - we have half-done snapshots16:56
geguileohemna: Good to know16:56
hemnageguileo, we have to get Nova to expect VolumeIsBusy exceptions.16:56
*** sbalukoff has quit IRC16:56
jgriffithdulek: and the perf is a pretty big issue IMO16:56
avishayi think the current locks can be removed if we garbage collect volumes offline rather than delete them immediately16:56
e0nehe will be able to show some code/reports this week or next one16:56
geguileohemna: Ok, only that?16:56
dulekIf tooz backend service dies - node should get fenced by Pacemaker.16:56
greghaynestoox isnt necessarially zk16:56
greghayneser, tooz16:56
hemnageguileo, after that, then we put 'ing' checks in the cinder API, and report VolumeIsBusy.16:56
winston-dhemna: i'm on it - fixing nova to expect volumeisbusy16:56
hemnathen we can remove all but 1 of the locks in the volume manager.16:56
*** margaret__ has quit IRC16:57
geguileohemna: Ok, so the Nova support for VolumeIsBusy16:57
dulekjgriffith: ZooKeeper is one of the options. Ceilometer relies on Redis as default backend - they say it's reliable.16:57
jgriffithgreghaynes: fair, but it's the version that "works" and is most deployed IIUC16:57
geguileohemna: Are there patches for that already submitted?16:57
jgriffithdulek: they're problem space is different, but that's fair16:57
dulekjgriffith: And performance will be probably better compared to running single c-vol16:57
*** singlethink has quit IRC16:57
hemnawe still have to deal w/ the lock in taskflow though16:57
winston-dgeguileo: not yet16:57
dulekhemna: lock in taskflow?16:57
avishaywe need distributed locks for 1 lock in the code?16:57
hemnathat will be the last one, as far as the volume manager is concerned16:57
jgriffithdulek: so what's the real advantage/reason for running multiple c-vol services?16:57
hemnadulek, yes16:57
jgriffithdulek: I'm not certain I think it's that great16:58
greghaynesyes, and thats because zk is the only system that is known to really 'work' for that problem - if you want those guarantees youll need to use that system reguardless of tooz, or if you dont need them then you can use something lighter weight16:58
smcginnis2 minutes16:58
geguileowinston-d: So the 3 patches that are submitted don't fix our problems for HA?16:58
hemnadulek, I'll find it.  it's not as easy to remove....16:58
dulekjgriffith: A/A HA and scaling probably.16:58
jgriffithdulek: I've also thought we'd be MUCH better off using something like containers with mesos or something else16:58
jgriffithdulek: disagree16:58
geguileoForce iSCSI disconnect after timeout:
geguileoRollback if attach_volume timesout:
jgriffithdulek: on both counts16:58
geguileoDetach and terminate conn if Cinder attach fails:
geguileowinston-d: ^16:58
*** baoli has quit IRC16:58
jgriffithdulek: c-vol is nothing but an API interface16:58
jgriffithdulek: if it dies just respawn it16:58
jgriffithdulek: and A/A configuration is sort of... mmm... well weird16:59
dulekhemna: Point it to me please, I've became an expert on these flows in last weeks. ;)16:59
jgriffithdulek: when pointing to the same backend device16:59
winston-dgeguileo: no, i have on wip patch for nova.16:59
hemnadulek, I'm looking..16:59
jordanPjgriffith, the "name" (the host) of the service is "coded" in every volume16:59
avishaydistributed locks are fixing the solution with a bulldozer. i'm sure we could figure out how to avoid the lock entirely.16:59
thingeegeguileo, winston-d lets talk in the #openstack-cinder room after the meeting16:59
jordanPjgriffith, so you can't respawn it everywhere16:59
*** vivek-ebay has joined #openstack-meeting16:59
jgriffithjordanP: sure you can16:59
geguileothingee: Ok, good idea16:59
dulekjgriffith: Hm... So DuncanT was tasked with making it A/A in the first place. What were the motivations?16:59
*** vivek-ebay has quit IRC17:00
jordanPjgriffith, we need to tweak the "host' config flag then17:00
winston-djordanP: yeah, you can fake the 'hostname'. ;)17:00
*** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: networking)"17:00
openstackMeeting ended Wed Jul  1 17:00:03 2015 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at . (v 0.1.4)17:00
openstackMinutes (text):
jgriffithjordanP: and it's A LOT easier to change the host encoding in the DB than to go crazy with somethign like Tooz etc IMHO17:00
thingeecontinue in #openstack-cinder!17:00
jordanPjgriffith, agrred17:00
geguileothingee: +117:00
*** smcginnis has left #openstack-meeting17:00
*** winston-d has left #openstack-meeting17:00
jgriffithjordanP: and you could easily maintain the same host on respawn17:00
*** vivek-ebay has joined #openstack-meeting17:00
jgriffithjordanP: whether it be via a proxy or some other method17:00
jgriffithjordanP: hell.. just do a DNS entry :)17:00
hemnadulek, hrmm can't find it at the was related to snapshots I believe.   trying to remember.17:01
*** VanL has quit IRC17:01
jordanPjgriffith, I agree. There"s other way to achieve HA17:01
DuncanTdulek: Reliability was my main concern. Scalability maybe but unless you do lots of image stuff c-vol is pretty lightly loaded on most backends17:01
*** tbarron has left #openstack-meeting17:01
jgriffithjordanP: dulek DuncanT I'd still be REALLY interested in a good write up of the problem that you want solved and real world use cases of those problems being solved17:01
*** hrou_ has quit IRC17:01
*** Longgeek has quit IRC17:02
DuncanTjgriffith: I thought about suggesting to use backend-name as the RPC queue rather than the hostname, to avoid some issues... not sure if it currently has to be unique though?17:02
jgriffithjust saying "I want H/A" isn't enough for me any more.  The more I've thought about this, the less interesting it's become for me17:02
hemnajgriffith, I'd simply like to see c-vol running on multiple nodes that service the same driver name/backend.17:02
DuncanTjgriffith: Sure17:02
*** srikanthpoolla has quit IRC17:02
hemnaso if one of the machines dies, the other is there.17:02
jgriffithhemna: ok, but "why"17:02
*** balajiiyer has quit IRC17:02
hemnaum...I just explained it ?17:02
DuncanTjgriffith: Because otherwise I have to use pacemaker, which sucks, or get paged at 4am17:02
jgriffithhemna: sorry, I didn't see it17:02
hemnaenterprise level customers don't want a single point of failure.17:02
*** pratikmallya has joined #openstack-meeting17:02
*** patrickeast has quit IRC17:03
*** rajinir has left #openstack-meeting17:03
hemnaanyway, the local file locks in the volume manager makes that setup unreliable17:03
jgriffithwait... so c-vol vs c-sch/control services are diff problems is what I'm saying17:03
DuncanTjgriffith: Even with pacemaker or similar, failure detection and restart is quite slow17:03
hemnajgriffith, yah17:03
*** baoli has joined #openstack-meeting17:03
avishayjgriffith: i want zero admin intervention - if c-vol goes down in the middle of some operations, those operations should continue elsewhere automatically (or at least allow the user to retry easily)17:03
*** sigmavirus24 is now known as sigmavirus24_awa17:04
jgriffithhemna: I don't understand what that has to do with "I want multiple c-vol's talking to my backend"17:04
*** jordanP has quit IRC17:04
*** hemna is now known as hemnafk17:04
jgriffithavishay: have you ever had c-vol go down during an operation?17:04
DuncanTjgriffith: If no c-vols are talking to my backend, I can't attach the volumes from it17:04
*** sudipto has quit IRC17:04
DuncanTjgriffith: Had it happen last night17:04
avishayjgriffith: yes of course, and sched, and api17:04
jgriffithavishay: and not soemthign like "Joe unplugged the network cable accidentall"17:04
*** ijw_ has joined #openstack-meeting17:04
avishayjgriffith: and also rpc17:05
jgriffithDuncanT: really?17:05
jgriffithDuncanT: you just randomly have servers catch fire and die?17:05
jgriffithDuncanT: that sucks17:05
DuncanTjgriffith: Nope, networking issue17:05
avishayjgriffith: as someone who went from the storage vendor side to the deployer side - it's really worse than i thought :)17:05
DuncanTjgriffith: It came back after a kick, but it definitely went down for a bit17:05
jgriffithAhh... so would they be prevented by having another c-vol service running on the same net?17:05
dulekjgriffith: I guess it depeneds on number of servers. In big setups you get a failure a week.17:05
*** otter768 has joined #openstack-meeting17:06
dulekjgriffith: Possibly if requests are scattered between them.17:06
jgriffithdulek: but my point is you're talking 1 c-vol service that is merely a proxy17:06
dulekjgriffith: Less probability.17:06
jgriffithit's nothing17:06
DuncanTjgriffith: Yes, since it was a port down not a whole network. You can engineer network resilient to many failure modes, it is well undertood17:06
*** scohen1 has quit IRC17:06
jgriffithDuncanT: agreed17:06
DuncanTjgriffith: It is a stateful proxy... if it goes down you can't attach your volumes. You need a way of it staying up, even if one node happens to go down17:07
*** jseiler has left #openstack-meeting17:07
jgriffithDuncanT: dulek avishay What I'm getting at is I'd much prefer something light weight for a nominal corner case like c-vol service redundancy17:07
*** henrynash has quit IRC17:07
jgriffithDuncanT: DuncanT avishay dulek Controller and such is a different story17:07
*** yamahata has quit IRC17:07
DuncanTjgriffith: I don't think it is a corner case17:07
jgriffithDuncanT: ok17:08
DuncanTjgriffith: It is a single point of failure that *has* failed for us17:08
jgriffithlet's move to #cinder17:08
*** ItSANgo has quit IRC17:08
dulekjgriffith: So I would say that we may engineer it in a way - work like always, switch flag and have A/A17:08
*** Fdot has quit IRC17:09
*** vilobhmm has quit IRC17:10
*** vilobhmm has joined #openstack-meeting17:10
*** otter768 has quit IRC17:11
*** dguerri is now known as dguerri`17:11
*** yamamoto has quit IRC17:12
*** rbak has quit IRC17:12
*** balajiiyer has joined #openstack-meeting17:12
*** geoffarnold has quit IRC17:13
*** aarefiev_home has quit IRC17:13
*** Shashank has quit IRC17:13
*** geoffarnold has joined #openstack-meeting17:14
*** avishay has left #openstack-meeting17:14
*** liuxg has quit IRC17:15
*** IlyaG has joined #openstack-meeting17:15
*** SumitNaiksatam has joined #openstack-meeting17:16
*** toscalix has quit IRC17:18
*** sdake_ has joined #openstack-meeting17:18
*** e0ne is now known as e0ne_17:19
*** scohen1 has joined #openstack-meeting17:19
*** e0ne_ is now known as e0ne17:20
*** scohen1 has quit IRC17:20
*** yamamoto has joined #openstack-meeting17:21
*** sdake has quit IRC17:21
*** jaypipes has joined #openstack-meeting17:22
*** SumitNaiksatam has quit IRC17:23
*** achanda has joined #openstack-meeting17:23
*** SumitNaiksatam has joined #openstack-meeting17:23
*** dannywilson has quit IRC17:24
*** ItSANgo_ has joined #openstack-meeting17:24
*** Sukhdev has quit IRC17:24
*** ajmiller_ has joined #openstack-meeting17:25
*** Sukhdev has joined #openstack-meeting17:25
*** irenab has joined #openstack-meeting17:25
*** mriedem has left #openstack-meeting17:25
*** gokrokve_ has joined #openstack-meeting17:26
*** trey has joined #openstack-meeting17:26
*** gokrokve has quit IRC17:27
*** xyang2 has quit IRC17:29
*** e0ne is now known as e0ne_17:29
*** abregman has quit IRC17:29
*** IlyaG has quit IRC17:30
*** rbak has joined #openstack-meeting17:31
*** e0ne_ is now known as e0ne17:32
*** safchain has quit IRC17:33
*** BharatK has quit IRC17:33
*** rjaiswal has quit IRC17:34
*** e0ne has quit IRC17:35
*** doude_ has quit IRC17:36
*** jckasper has joined #openstack-meeting17:36
*** SlickNik has left #openstack-meeting17:36
*** trey has quit IRC17:37
*** armax has quit IRC17:37
*** VanL has joined #openstack-meeting17:37
*** belmoreira has quit IRC17:38
*** egallen has quit IRC17:38
*** VanL_ has joined #openstack-meeting17:38
*** trey has joined #openstack-meeting17:39
*** ildikov has quit IRC17:39
*** sdake_ is now known as sdake17:39
*** novas0x2a|laptop has joined #openstack-meeting17:41
*** ndipanov has quit IRC17:41
*** egallen has joined #openstack-meeting17:41
*** VanL has quit IRC17:42
*** egallen_ has joined #openstack-meeting17:42
*** comay has quit IRC17:43
*** marcusvrn1 has joined #openstack-meeting17:43
*** armax has joined #openstack-meeting17:43
*** egallen_ has quit IRC17:44
*** sdake has quit IRC17:44
*** singlethink has joined #openstack-meeting17:45
*** thangp is now known as thangp_afk17:45
*** rjaiswal has joined #openstack-meeting17:46
*** egallen has quit IRC17:46
*** rjaiswal has quit IRC17:46
*** rjaiswal has joined #openstack-meeting17:46
*** mestery_ has joined #openstack-meeting17:46
*** sdake has joined #openstack-meeting17:46
*** marcusvrn has quit IRC17:46
*** vilobhmm has quit IRC17:47
*** singlet__ has joined #openstack-meeting17:48
*** singleth_ has quit IRC17:48
*** yamamoto has quit IRC17:48
*** sdake has quit IRC17:48
*** mrunge has quit IRC17:49
*** mestery has quit IRC17:49
*** sdake has joined #openstack-meeting17:49
*** rwsu has quit IRC17:50
*** singlethink has quit IRC17:51
*** frobware_ has quit IRC17:52
*** penick has joined #openstack-meeting17:52
*** SumitNaiksatam has quit IRC17:52
*** Shashank has joined #openstack-meeting17:52
*** hemnafk is now known as hemna17:53
*** deepika has joined #openstack-meeting17:53
*** penick_ has joined #openstack-meeting17:54
*** rwsu has joined #openstack-meeting17:54
*** jbernard has left #openstack-meeting17:55
*** DericHorn-HP has quit IRC17:55
*** sudipto has joined #openstack-meeting17:56
*** isviridov is now known as isviridov_away17:56
*** penick has quit IRC17:57
*** penick_ is now known as penick17:57
*** IlyaG has joined #openstack-meeting17:58
*** jogo has quit IRC17:58
*** kvidvans has quit IRC17:59
*** sudipto has quit IRC17:59
*** puranamr has quit IRC17:59
*** ivar-lazzaro has quit IRC17:59
*** vivek-eb_ has joined #openstack-meeting18:02
*** comay has joined #openstack-meeting18:02
*** DericHorn-HP has joined #openstack-meeting18:03
*** mestery_ is now known as mestery18:04
*** delatte has quit IRC18:04
*** cdelatte has joined #openstack-meeting18:05
*** absubram has joined #openstack-meeting18:05
*** vivek-ebay has quit IRC18:06
*** cdelatte has quit IRC18:06
*** cdelatte has joined #openstack-meeting18:06
*** sigmavirus24_awa is now known as sigmavirus2418:06
*** igordcard_ has joined #openstack-meeting18:10
*** pvaneck has joined #openstack-meeting18:11
*** ajmiller_ has quit IRC18:12
*** zongliang has quit IRC18:12
*** pratikmallya has quit IRC18:13
*** pratikmallya has joined #openstack-meeting18:13
*** sudipto has joined #openstack-meeting18:13
*** rbowen has quit IRC18:14
*** MarkAtwood has quit IRC18:14
*** egallen has joined #openstack-meeting18:14
*** thangp_afk is now known as thangp18:14
*** mrmartin has quit IRC18:15
*** jogo has joined #openstack-meeting18:15
*** fallenpegasus has quit IRC18:16
*** padkrish has joined #openstack-meeting18:18
*** Sukhdev has quit IRC18:19
*** rbak has quit IRC18:20
*** puranamr has joined #openstack-meeting18:21
*** puranamr has quit IRC18:21
*** s3wong has joined #openstack-meeting18:21
*** jungleboyj has quit IRC18:22
*** rbak has joined #openstack-meeting18:22
*** thangp has quit IRC18:23
*** e0ne has joined #openstack-meeting18:23
*** e0ne is now known as e0ne_18:23
*** e0ne_ is now known as e0ne18:23
*** e0ne has quit IRC18:23
*** puranamr has joined #openstack-meeting18:24
*** e0ne has joined #openstack-meeting18:24
*** puranamr has quit IRC18:24
*** s3wong has quit IRC18:25
*** galstrom_zzz is now known as galstrom18:27
*** ivar-lazzaro has joined #openstack-meeting18:27
*** thangp has joined #openstack-meeting18:28
*** ildikov has joined #openstack-meeting18:29
*** kairat_kushaev has quit IRC18:29
*** vishwanathj has joined #openstack-meeting18:30
*** kairat_kushaev has joined #openstack-meeting18:30
*** vivek-eb_ has quit IRC18:30
*** rbowen has joined #openstack-meeting18:31
*** annp has joined #openstack-meeting18:31
*** vivek-ebay has joined #openstack-meeting18:31
*** dannywilson has joined #openstack-meeting18:33
*** sreshetnyak has quit IRC18:33
*** e0ne is now known as e0ne_18:34
*** sreshetnyak has joined #openstack-meeting18:34
*** PrashantS has quit IRC18:34
*** PrashantS has joined #openstack-meeting18:35
*** pratikmallya has quit IRC18:35
*** tongli has joined #openstack-meeting18:35
*** mrmartin has joined #openstack-meeting18:36
*** rossella_s has quit IRC18:36
*** e0ne_ is now known as e0ne18:37
*** andreykurilin__ has quit IRC18:37
*** rossella_s has joined #openstack-meeting18:37
*** pratikmallya has joined #openstack-meeting18:37
*** irenab has quit IRC18:38
*** sdake has quit IRC18:38
*** dprince has quit IRC18:38
*** sdake has joined #openstack-meeting18:38
*** dprince has joined #openstack-meeting18:39
*** PrashantS has quit IRC18:40
*** sbalukoff has joined #openstack-meeting18:40
*** sdake_ has joined #openstack-meeting18:41
*** Rockyg has joined #openstack-meeting18:41
*** doude has joined #openstack-meeting18:41
*** juzuluag_ has quit IRC18:42
*** fallenpegasus has joined #openstack-meeting18:42
*** sdake has quit IRC18:44
*** Sukhdev has joined #openstack-meeting18:44
*** Shashank has left #openstack-meeting18:46
*** ctrath1 has joined #openstack-meeting18:47
*** SumitNaiksatam has joined #openstack-meeting18:48
*** gokrokve_ has quit IRC18:50
*** ctrath has quit IRC18:50
*** bradjones has quit IRC18:51
*** julim has quit IRC18:51
*** bradjones has joined #openstack-meeting18:52
*** bradjones has quit IRC18:52
*** bradjones has joined #openstack-meeting18:52
*** egallen has quit IRC18:52
*** novas0x2a|laptop has quit IRC18:53
*** rbak has quit IRC18:53
*** sudipto has quit IRC18:53
*** novas0x2a|laptop has joined #openstack-meeting18:53
*** lufix has joined #openstack-meeting18:55
*** hashar has joined #openstack-meeting18:59
*** hashar is now known as hasharCall18:59
*** _amrith_ is now known as amrith18:59
*** irenab has joined #openstack-meeting19:01
*** unicell has quit IRC19:03
*** PrashantS has joined #openstack-meeting19:05
*** otter768 has joined #openstack-meeting19:07
*** tongli has quit IRC19:07
*** puranamr has joined #openstack-meeting19:08
*** crc32 has joined #openstack-meeting19:08
*** janonymous_ has joined #openstack-meeting19:08
*** crc32 has quit IRC19:10
*** erlon has quit IRC19:10
*** crc32 has joined #openstack-meeting19:10
*** gokrokve has joined #openstack-meeting19:10
*** fallenpegasus has quit IRC19:10
*** DericHorn-HP has quit IRC19:11
*** otter768 has quit IRC19:11
*** jonesbr has joined #openstack-meeting19:12
*** ajmiller_ has joined #openstack-meeting19:13
*** boris-42 has joined #openstack-meeting19:13
*** reed_ has joined #openstack-meeting19:15
*** singlethink has joined #openstack-meeting19:15
*** ajmiller has quit IRC19:16
*** novas0x2a|lapto1 has joined #openstack-meeting19:17
*** singlet__ has quit IRC19:18
*** padkrish has quit IRC19:19
*** novas0x2a|laptop has quit IRC19:19
*** padkrish has joined #openstack-meeting19:20
*** vivek-ebay has quit IRC19:20
*** garthb has joined #openstack-meeting19:20
*** garthb_ has joined #openstack-meeting19:20
*** sdake has joined #openstack-meeting19:21
*** sdake has quit IRC19:23
*** padkrish_ has joined #openstack-meeting19:23
*** sdake has joined #openstack-meeting19:23
*** aysyd has quit IRC19:23
*** DericHorn-HP has joined #openstack-meeting19:24
*** padkrish has quit IRC19:24
*** ivar-lazzaro has quit IRC19:25
*** sdake_ has quit IRC19:25
*** aysyd has joined #openstack-meeting19:25
*** thangp has quit IRC19:26
*** IlyaG has quit IRC19:28
*** Apoorva has quit IRC19:29
*** dansmith has quit IRC19:30
*** Apoorva has joined #openstack-meeting19:30
*** dansmith has joined #openstack-meeting19:30
*** annp has quit IRC19:31
*** elo1 has quit IRC19:31
*** padkrish_ has quit IRC19:31
*** armax has quit IRC19:34
*** dguerri` is now known as dguerri19:34
*** Rockyg has quit IRC19:35
*** singlethink has quit IRC19:35
*** gokrokve has quit IRC19:36
*** ociuhandu has joined #openstack-meeting19:36
*** jasondotstar has quit IRC19:37
*** aysyd has quit IRC19:37
*** e0ne has quit IRC19:38
*** aysyd has joined #openstack-meeting19:39
*** yamada-h has joined #openstack-meeting19:39
*** nadirvardar has joined #openstack-meeting19:42
*** emagana has joined #openstack-meeting19:42
*** armax has joined #openstack-meeting19:42
*** cbouch has quit IRC19:44
*** dguerri is now known as dguerri`19:44
*** yamada-h has quit IRC19:44
*** vishwana_ has joined #openstack-meeting19:45
*** safchain has joined #openstack-meeting19:45
*** annp has joined #openstack-meeting19:45
*** vishwanathj has quit IRC19:47
*** galstrom is now known as galstrom_zzz19:49
*** kraynevs has joined #openstack-meeting19:52
*** Rockyg has joined #openstack-meeting19:52
*** kraynevs is now known as skraynev_19:53
*** unicell has joined #openstack-meeting19:53
*** pas-ha has joined #openstack-meeting19:54
*** yamahata has joined #openstack-meeting19:55
*** vivek-ebay has joined #openstack-meeting19:55
*** singlethink has joined #openstack-meeting19:56
*** mrunge has joined #openstack-meeting19:57
*** hasharCall has quit IRC19:57
*** Swami has quit IRC19:57
*** galstrom_zzz is now known as galstrom19:58
*** amakarov is now known as amakarov_away19:58
*** hashar has joined #openstack-meeting19:59
*** rpothier has joined #openstack-meeting19:59
*** tspatzier has joined #openstack-meeting19:59
*** ajayaa has quit IRC19:59
stevebaker#startmeeting heat20:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Jul  1 20:00:13 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is stevebaker. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.20:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)"20:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'heat'20:00
*** pratap has joined #openstack-meeting20:00
stevebaker#topic rollcall20:00
*** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: heat)"20:00
pas-hamorning o/20:00
skraynev_morning everybody :)20:01
*** penick has quit IRC20:01
*** lapalm has joined #openstack-meeting20:01
*** shardy_ has joined #openstack-meeting20:01
stevebakerzaneb, shardy_, ping?20:02
stevebaker#topic Adding items to the agenda20:02
*** openstack changes topic to "Adding items to the agenda (Meeting topic: heat)"20:02
*** ryansb has joined #openstack-meeting20:02
*** achanda has quit IRC20:03
pas-hawould like to talk about Fn:Split alternatives20:03
stevebakershardy_: should we talk about resource mapping bp later if we have time?20:03
shardy_stevebaker: sure, sounds good20:04
*** DericHorn-HP has quit IRC20:04
pas-hafn::select that is20:04
shardy_pas-ha: didn't I just implement that? :P20:04
*** pratap has quit IRC20:05
shardy_pas-ha: path based attributes are supposed to to the same20:05
*** balajiiyer has quit IRC20:05
*** allegra-s has joined #openstack-meeting20:05
pas-hanot everywhere, let's discuss it further20:05
shardy_e.g select by key or index20:05
*** randallburt has joined #openstack-meeting20:05
shardy_Ok cool, lets add it :)20:06
randallburtlate again, sorry20:06
stevebakerok, lets kick off20:06
stevebaker#topic heat reviews
*** openstack changes topic to "heat reviews (Meeting topic: heat)"20:06
*** achanda has joined #openstack-meeting20:07
*** shashank_hegde has joined #openstack-meeting20:07
skraynev_some of convergance's patches are werged20:07
stevebakerzaneb: there was discussion last week that it shouldn't be possible to abandon unless the stack is in EXPORT_COMPLETE state, but there would be a --force option to override that20:08
*** DericHorn-HP has joined #openstack-meeting20:08
*** prazumovsky has joined #openstack-meeting20:08
stevebakerwhy what?20:08
zanebwhy would there be a --force option?20:09
*** therve has joined #openstack-meeting20:09
*** achanda has quit IRC20:09
stevebakerdo you mean why not insiste on EXPORT_COMPLETE in all cases?20:09
*** balajiiyer has joined #openstack-meeting20:10
shardy_bug #135367020:10
openstackbug 1353670 in heat "Stack Abandon is unsafe" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Kanagaraj Manickam (kanagaraj-manickam)20:10
zanebfor when you want to abandon and just throw away the data?20:10
stevebakerresources stuck in ERROR states, stacks wedged in IN_PROGRESS20:11
zanebany reason those couldn't be exported?20:11
*** belmoreira has joined #openstack-meeting20:11
randallburtor you don't care about the data (you're taking over management of the stack for example and not importing somewhere)20:11
zanebrandallburt: requiring you to export first hardly seems like an onerous requirement, even in that case though20:12
randallburtto you and me maybe. someone thought it was valuable and I can't see a reason not to provide it.20:12
randallburtwe could add a step to heatclient that says "Are you sure?" just to cover our bases20:13
stevebakerrequiring export is one thing, but allowing a stack in any *_* state to be forced into an EXPORT_COMPLETE state just so an abandon may or may not be performed doesn't seem right20:13
*** shprotby has joined #openstack-meeting20:14
*** pas-ha has quit IRC20:14
zanebso, I don't know where EXPORT came from in that discussion20:14
*** VanL_ has quit IRC20:14
*** pas-ha has joined #openstack-meeting20:14
*** yamamoto has joined #openstack-meeting20:14
zanebwhat I suggested was that we keep an abandon command and that it move the stack to the ABANDON_COMPLETE state20:14
*** tspatzier has quit IRC20:14
zanebwhence it could be deleted20:14
*** belmoreira has quit IRC20:15
zanebbut then the waters were muddied in the bug discussion for reasons I never understood20:15
stevebakerok, it sounds like we should be reviewing more20:15
*** _nadya_ has joined #openstack-meeting20:15
*** tspatzier has joined #openstack-meeting20:16
zanebyeah, so he is doing export then abandon20:16
zanebwhich is weird20:16
zanebit should be export then delete20:16
*** rhagarty has joined #openstack-meeting20:17
zanebor export should just export data and not have a state associated with it20:17
*** rhagarty_ has joined #openstack-meeting20:17
zanebone or the other20:17
zanebnot both20:17
randallburtassuming the delete after export doesn't actually delete any resources (I assume with changing the policy)20:17
*** _nadya_ has quit IRC20:17
stevebakerit could be partly semantics, in that change abandon does the delete, and export is what you're calling abandon20:17
*** prazumovsky has quit IRC20:17
zanebrandallburt: right, the idea is that delete would not remove resources when the stack is in ABANDON_COMPLETE state20:17
zaneb(physical resources)20:18
pas-hashould export then change some internal stack attr so that when it is deleted via normal delete actual resource are not?20:18
*** e0ne has joined #openstack-meeting20:18
*** mrmartin has quit IRC20:18
pas-habut then the idea of export+abandon seems clearer to me20:18
zanebstevebaker: it's all semantics, but the current patch appears to implement two conflicting sets of semantics20:18
*** deepika has quit IRC20:19
shardy_pas-ha: just check the resource state, if it's abandoned, do nothing20:19
pas-haas in "delete for this state does one, for another state does another" is not really clear. why not just call "the other delete" abandon? :)20:19
*** yamamoto has quit IRC20:20
zanebtbh I'd like to see abandon/adopt killed and redesigned natively for convergence20:20
shardy_++ it's never actually worked in the current implementation anyway20:21
zanebmaybe using asalkeld's external resources proposal instead20:21
*** garthb has quit IRC20:21
*** VanL has joined #openstack-meeting20:22
*** ajmiller_ is now known as ajmiller20:22
*** cburgess_ has quit IRC20:23
stevebakerso on to convergence changes20:23
stevebakerthe reviewer pool is still quite shallow20:23
*** cburgess has joined #openstack-meeting20:23
*** novas0x2a|laptop has joined #openstack-meeting20:25
stevebakerother than encouraging more core reviews I'm not sure what else can be done.20:25
*** galstrom is now known as galstrom_zzz20:25
shardy_Are the specs raised by zaneb still accurate?  I kinda lost track of some of this work thus have been wary to review it20:25
zanebif there's been a major divergence, it hasn't been discussed on the ML or with me20:26
stevebakerI think we're towards the end of that spec tree20:26
zaneb(it may have been discussed in reviews, I haven't looked at most of them)20:26
*** ivasev has quit IRC20:26
zanebstevebaker: did I raise a spec for porting the tests from the simulator?20:26
zanebseems like we're getting close to the point where those would be super useful20:27
stevebakerI can't remember20:27
*** novas0x2a|lapto1 has quit IRC20:27
*** banix has quit IRC20:27
*** marcusvrn1 has quit IRC20:28
* zaneb pats self on back20:29
therveThe question is whether anyone but you can implement it20:29
*** jgrimm is now known as zz_jgrimm20:29
stevebakerspeaking of specs, we have lots in review20:30
zanebtherve: it's not a small job, but it honestly shouldn't be that hard20:31
*** vivek-ebay has quit IRC20:31
stevebaker#topic High priority bugs
*** openstack changes topic to "High priority bugs (Meeting topic: heat)"20:31
openstackLaunchpad bug 1467965 in heat "test_db_encrypt_decrypt UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf8' codec can't decode " [Critical,Confirmed] - Assigned to Angus Salkeld (asalkeld)20:31
stevebakerasalkeld merged a fix for ^ but apparently it is still happening20:32
thervestevebaker, What should we do with spec like
*** padkrish has joined #openstack-meeting20:32
stevebakerit happens on the test for decoding an invalid password, which randomly explodes20:32
therveThat test is ridiculous though20:33
therveI have a patch that changes it20:33
therve(Fernet doesn't support reloading stuff encrypted with a different key)20:33
stevebakermaybe deleting the test would be best. if they're using the wrong password then UnicodeDecodeErrors are the least of their problems20:34
therveWell it's only part of the test20:35
*** earlephilhower has quit IRC20:35
*** earlephilhower has joined #openstack-meeting20:36
*** ijw_ has quit IRC20:36
stevebakertherve: have you looked into whether there is a Fernet codec which is completely compatible with our current oslo crypt one?20:36
thervestevebaker, I haven't, no20:36
*** jasondotstar has joined #openstack-meeting20:37
stevebakerthat would avoid encryption migration pain if it is possible20:37
*** jasondotstar has quit IRC20:37
*** padkrish has quit IRC20:37
ryansbstevebaker: I'd think that we could surface a better error than UnicodeDecode20:37
therveI'd be surprised if that was the case20:37
*** puranamr has quit IRC20:38
stevebakerryansb: I'm sure we could20:38
stevebaker#topic new SessionClient ( and old servers20:39
*** openstack changes topic to "new SessionClient ( and old servers (Meeting topic: heat)"20:39
shprotbystevebaker, you had a question20:39
shardy_therve: 187447 is comically lacking in any actual analysis or content20:39
*** annp has quit IRC20:39
shprotbyabout compatibility old seevers and new SessionClient20:39
therveshardy_, Right. We shouldn't have spec like that. If we consider the change okay with one, let's delete that.20:40
shprotbyso, I can answer all your questions about it20:40
*** spzala has quit IRC20:41
*** pritesh has joined #openstack-meeting20:41
*** sahid has quit IRC20:41
*** roampune has joined #openstack-meeting20:41
stevebakershprotby: so a heat server configured for password based deferred auth, or a standalone heat20:42
stevebakershprotby: will these sessionclient changes affect that, because heatclient has strong backwards compatibility requirements20:43
*** Sukhdev has quit IRC20:44
*** VanL has quit IRC20:44
*** unicell1 has joined #openstack-meeting20:45
*** ayoung has quit IRC20:45
*** unicell has quit IRC20:45
*** DericHorn-HP has quit IRC20:45
*** Sukhdev has joined #openstack-meeting20:45
shardy_is this about keystoneclient sessions?20:45
shprotbyhm... New sessionclient just don't use any credentials, but logic us the same with old sessionclient20:45
shardy_because they aren't coupled to the underlying API versions afaik20:45
shardy_it's just a totally different model for the client side code20:46
*** hurricanerix has joined #openstack-meeting20:46
*** puranamr has joined #openstack-meeting20:46
stevebakershardy_: could you take a look at ?20:47
stevebaker#topic Fn::Select alternatives20:47
*** openstack changes topic to "Fn::Select alternatives (Meeting topic: heat)"20:47
shardy_stevebaker: sure, will do (probably not till tomorrow tho..)20:47
*** padkrish has joined #openstack-meeting20:47
stevebakerpas-ha: go20:47
stevebakerI think we talked about this last week20:48
pas-haso, the idea is that we have some functions that returned lists or maps, (like "outputs[_list]" of the asg)20:49
pas-hahow shoudl one access a single element then?20:49
* pas-ha wasn't there last time, sorry of repeating questions20:49
tspatzierpas-ha: there is path based selection parameters for get_attr20:49
*** barker has joined #openstack-meeting20:49
stevebakerand my position was that we don't need an alternative to Fn::Select, because all complex data structures are either attributes or parameters, so deep selection is handled by extended get_param and get_attr20:49
tspatzierthe same for get_param20:49
pas-hayou mean resourse.020:49
randallburtget_attr: [ resource, attribute, 0, foo, bar, 2 ] like that20:50
pas-haI also just realized that simple yaql thing asalkeld is trying out might solve this as well :)20:50
shardy_we probably need better docs on this..20:50
stevebakeryaql thing
stevebakerbtw the template guide is the new hot guide20:51
shardy_but yeah, the idea is get_attr/get_param already support getting items by index (list) or key (map)20:51
*** VanL has joined #openstack-meeting20:51
stevebakerwhich is the old hot guide ;)20:51
*** banix has joined #openstack-meeting20:51
shardy_stevebaker: why does the hot_guide keep moving?20:51
shardy_every time I link to it it ** breaks! ;)20:51
*** fallenpegasus has joined #openstack-meeting20:52
pas-hacount my question solved for now20:52
*** torgomatic has joined #openstack-meeting20:52
stevebakershardy_: it moved into centralised docs but the old one was never deleted, then it moved back because big tent20:52
shardy_e.g the one covering composition and software config that was in the user guide20:52
*** kjnelson has left #openstack-meeting20:53
shardy_stevebaker: Ok, cool thanks20:53
* shardy_ shakes fist at big tent20:53
thervestevebaker, Broken link right in there20:54
stevebakerwe might get more heat developers writing doc content now that it is in tree, especially if we -1 changes which lack docs ;)20:54
*** redbo has joined #openstack-meeting20:54
stevebakertherve: we probably need to port the hotref handler into our sphinx config20:55
*** jrichli has joined #openstack-meeting20:55
shardy_stevebaker: +1 to having it in tree, but it's a shame the user-facing links have moved around so much (e.g that in the user guide is currently broken)20:55
stevebakeror just change the link format, since it is an internal link now20:55
stevebakeryeah, a redirection would have been polite20:56
*** ho has joined #openstack-meeting20:56
stevebaker4 mintues20:56
stevebakerplenty of time for20:56
stevebaker#topic resource interfaces20:56
*** openstack changes topic to "resource interfaces (Meeting topic: heat)"20:56
*** egallen has joined #openstack-meeting20:57
shardy_Oh man, shall we tackle this when we have more than 3 minutes?20:57
*** minwoob_ has joined #openstack-meeting20:57
shardy_that sucks ^^ fwiw20:58
*** dmorita_ has joined #openstack-meeting20:58
*** padkrish has quit IRC20:58
*** matt____ is now known as mattoliverau20:58
*** dmorita_ has quit IRC20:58
*** peluse has joined #openstack-meeting20:59
*** acoles has joined #openstack-meeting20:59
*** dmorita has joined #openstack-meeting20:59
*** padkrish has joined #openstack-meeting20:59
*** alop has quit IRC20:59
shardy_stevebaker: because hot guide is a link back to itself, not the actual guide20:59
*** dmorita__ has joined #openstack-meeting20:59
shardy_e.g where all the super-useful info is :)20:59
*** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: networking)"21:00
*** glange has joined #openstack-meeting21:00
openstackMeeting ended Wed Jul  1 21:00:10 2015 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at . (v 0.1.4)21:00
openstackMinutes (text):
stevebakerthanks all!21:00
*** kota_ has joined #openstack-meeting21:00
*** shprotby has quit IRC21:00
*** therve has left #openstack-meeting21:00
*** allegra-s has quit IRC21:00
notmynamestevebaker: thanks!21:00
*** cutforth has joined #openstack-meeting21:00
*** randallburt has left #openstack-meeting21:00
*** marcusvrn has joined #openstack-meeting21:00
notmyname#startmeeting swift21:00
notmynamehello, everyone. welcome to the swift team meeting21:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Jul  1 21:00:53 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)"21:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'swift'21:00
notmynamewho's here?21:00
*** jasondotstar has joined #openstack-meeting21:01
*** tspatzier has left #openstack-meeting21:01
*** shardy_ has quit IRC21:01
torgomaticwho's on first21:01
*** timburke has joined #openstack-meeting21:01
*** pas-ha has quit IRC21:01
notmynametorgomatic: right21:01
*** jonesbr has left #openstack-meeting21:01
notmynamethanks for coming21:02
notmynamelet's get started21:02
notmyname#topic hackathon21:02
*** openstack changes topic to "hackathon (Meeting topic: swift)"21:02
*** rpothier has left #openstack-meeting21:02
notmynamea reminder that the hackathon is coming up in august21:02
notmynamelooks like all the tickets have been taken21:02
*** alop has joined #openstack-meeting21:02
*** joeljwright has joined #openstack-meeting21:02
*** mrunge has quit IRC21:03
notmynameplease let me know if there are other people we need to talk to21:03
notmynameI'm working with jrichli on the space we have and who's signed up21:03
notmynameany questions about the hackathon?21:03
minwoob_Can't wait!21:03
*** ryansb has left #openstack-meeting21:03
*** ajmiller_ has joined #openstack-meeting21:03
*** padkrish has quit IRC21:03
pelusedid anyone else have to pay for their hackathon ticket?  :)21:03
notmynamethe hotel room block info is on the invite21:03
notmynamepeluse: that was just for you ;-)21:03
* peluse is such a sucker21:03
*** lapalm has quit IRC21:04
hurricanerixnotmyname: is there a etherpad for the agenda?21:04
notmynamehurricanerix: no, not yet. normally we use a flip chart on the first day ;-)21:04
*** puranamr has quit IRC21:04
*** otherwiseguy has quit IRC21:04
*** skraynev_ has quit IRC21:04
notmynameor whiteboard21:04
notmynamehurricanerix: if you want to write some stuff down, I think that would be great21:05
jrichlioh, we are gonna need one of those?  ;-)21:05
notmynameI'm not too worried about a schedule yet21:05
hurricanerixnotmyname: ok, i was just curious to see what everyone else was interested in ahead of time.  =)21:05
*** vivek-ebay has joined #openstack-meeting21:05
notmynamehurricanerix: you know, swift stuff21:05
*** spzala has joined #openstack-meeting21:05
*** maishsk has joined #openstack-meeting21:06
*** VanL has quit IRC21:06
timburkeand swift *client* stuff!21:06
notmynamethat counts too!21:06
timburkesuuure it does...21:06
notmynamehurricanerix: if you start one, let's link to it and we'll write stuff down there21:06
notmynameif there are any questions that come up, or that people ask you, please let me know if I can help21:06
*** ajmiller has quit IRC21:06
notmynameok, next up..21:07
notmyname#topic swiftclient issues21:07
*** openstack changes topic to "swiftclient issues (Meeting topic: swift)"21:07
notmynamethis one I think has just been resolved, but I want to talk about what happened and what didn't happen21:07
*** maishsk has quit IRC21:07
*** sdake_ has joined #openstack-meeting21:07
*** otter768 has joined #openstack-meeting21:08
*** e0ne has quit IRC21:08
notmynameif you look on this dashboard:
notmynameyou'll see that there are a lot of patches that are ready to land for swiftclient that haven't landed21:08
*** jlhinson has joined #openstack-meeting21:08
notmynameI'll get to the reason in just a bit21:08
*** sdake has quit IRC21:09
notmynamewe've been in this state for over a week, and that's not good21:09
notmynametimburke has done a great job and finding and fixing the gate issue that's blocking all of them21:09
*** henrynash has joined #openstack-meeting21:09
notmynamebut I'd rather not see it take a week or more before someone looks into it. we can do better21:10
notmynameso here's what happened:21:10
notmynameglobal-requirements updated some dependencies to include a ";python==<version>" after the version classifier for dependencies21:10
notmynameand that new format isn't parseable by pbr<1.221:11
*** aysyd has quit IRC21:11
notmynamehowever, because of the way dependencies are installed in the gate, by the time we had the opportunity to say we wanted to install pbr>=1.2, we had to parse the requirements file, which had the weire semicolon stuff in it21:11
notmynameso it broke21:11
notmynamethe fix is a patch that timburke jsut submitted to update the version of hacking in our requirements file. the older version of hacking had pbr<1.0. so it didn't work21:12
*** otter768 has quit IRC21:12
notmynameso far we're lucky we haven't hit it in swift yet, but we need to do the same patch there too21:12
redboAll this pain has been worth it for whatever it is that pbr does.21:12
joeljwrighttimburke: good catch!21:12
notmynameredbo: oh, I'm sure someone somewhere is getting pbr to make them breakfast every morning ;-)21:13
*** Swami has joined #openstack-meeting21:13
*** padkrish has joined #openstack-meeting21:13
notmynameso, yes it's really annoying the way dependencies are found int he gate. and yes it's irritating that we have to update a dependency on hacking just to get a new version of pbr so the gate can install global (not local) requirments. and all of this with us not doing anything new with hacking21:14
notmynameI won't argue with any of that21:14
*** PrashantS has quit IRC21:14
redbowould it help if we got rid fo pbr?  I bet it would help if we got rid of pbr.21:14
notmynamebut I did want to bring up that (1) it's fixed and there's a change we need in swift too and (2) it's not good it took us a week or two before we even started looking at it21:15
*** PrashantS has joined #openstack-meeting21:15
lifeless++ - I've been helping projects all week do their analysis. I mailed about the issue to the dev list to give folks a heads up21:15
lifelessand would have been delighted to help swift too21:15
notmynamelifeless: connecting the ML message (which I did see) to the exact issue we were seeing wasn't obvious. which is why we didn't know the solution until today21:16
lifeless(e.g. )21:16
notmynamelifeless: but thanks for your offer21:16
timburkenotmyname: nit: in 37 mins (supposedly) it will be fixed. the one patch that will actually pass the gate still needs to get through it :)21:16
notmynametimburke: ok :-)21:16
lifelessnotmyname: ah - thats a shame. I'll have a look at some recent swift logs I guess to see what you saw that was different21:17
notmynamelifeless: mostly probably our own ignorance of how all the pieces are put together. it's not exactly a simple system ;-)21:17
lifelessnotmyname: was it swift or swiftclient failing ?21:17
mattoliveraunice work timburke, and yeah fail on 2. I for one will try and keep a better look at the state of the gate in the future.21:17
notmynamelifeless: swiftclient, but swift has the same issue still (just lucky to not yet be affected)21:17
notmynamehurricanerix: thanks21:18
*** blmartin has joined #openstack-meeting21:18
mattoliverauSo its been a fun week of gate bugs then :(21:18
cschwedeexactly - there was also a broken gate due to swift func tests this week - the thing with the maxheaders and a python update21:19
notmynamecschwede: yeah21:19
lifelessah yeah, is a slightly different error message21:19
notmynameok, so let's move on to more interesting ongoing work. lot's more tocover today :-)21:19
notmyname#topic ongoing work21:19
*** openstack changes topic to "ongoing work (Meeting topic: swift)"21:19
lifelessok so future ref: I'm very happy to be pinged on anything weird being thrown out of pip install / etc.21:19
notmynamelifeless: thanks21:19
*** PrashantS has quit IRC21:19
notmynamejrichli: acoles: anything to cover on encryption work?21:19
mattoliveraulifeless: thanks man21:19
jrichlipatch 163806 got merged to the feature branch - yay!21:20
jrichliclayg gave me some good feedback in the trivial keymaster review and has been helping me get things moving in feature/crypto21:20
jrichliwe need the real footers support in place of fake_footers patch 16551721:20
jrichliI will need some guidance on what approach to take. acoles was going to tackle this one, but he is working other things now.21:20
*** IlyaG has joined #openstack-meeting21:21
notmynamejrichli: who's working on that?21:21
notmynameah ok21:21
notmynameacoles: any ETA on when you'll be "back"? :-)21:21
acolesnotmyname: err, hopefully a week or so, i'm starting to get some time for upstream back21:21
*** VanL has joined #openstack-meeting21:21
notmynamegreat :-)21:22
acolesnotmyname: oh, but then i have vacation21:22
* acoles #MustWorkHarder21:22
jrichliwell, good for you, tho! you deserve it21:22
mattoliverauacoles: but working upsream is like a vacation :P21:22
notmynamethere's no vacation in swift!21:22
notmynamemattoliverau: nice!21:22
acolesnotmyname: i'm trying to progress fast-post when i can, and yeah sorry that i havent had much time for encryption stuff21:23
tdasilvatell that to his kids21:23
notmynamejrichli: ok, what do you need this week on encryption?21:23
jrichlihaving these patches land is important for crypto too: and
acolesmattoliverau: heh. what can i say in response21:23
jrichliso reviews on them21:23
*** marcusvrn has quit IRC21:23
*** heyongli has quit IRC21:23
notmynamejrichli: looks like they both have a merge conflict.21:24
notmynametdasilva: can you or ppai update those?21:24
*** heyongli has joined #openstack-meeting21:24
tdasilvawill do21:24
notmynameok, on to EC testing21:24
notmynamepeluse: kota_: minwoob_: I know each of you have been looking at EC stuff21:25
notmynamewhat's the status there?21:25
*** nadeem has joined #openstack-meeting21:25
peluseyeah, I'm on my 3rd rewrite of the GET path ability to tolerate duplicate FI's from the nodes (and subsequently request available alternates identified in headers)21:25
pelusewill post what I have by EOW, working on not...21:25
pelusesounded so easy :)21:26
pelusebut its getting close21:26
notmynameok, great21:26
notmynameour current EC bugs are at
minwoob_I have 3 open patches right now. They're failing on gate-swift-python3421:26
notmynamelooks like several are in progress now21:26
minwoob_Other than that, they should be ready to be merged.21:26
peluseyeah, and then it can be extended to potentially ask for specific FI's even w/o a .dirable for other strange cases (but that will be a different patch)21:26
notmynameminwoob_: that's expected right now, and that doesn't vote on the gate. so it shouldn't be a blocker for anything21:26
kota_I was not working so much in the last week because I got cold and was in bed most of the time.21:27
kota_just reviewed a few stuff.21:27
notmynamekota_: sorry to hear that. hope you're feeling better21:27
mattoliveraukota_: know that feeling, hope your felling better21:27
kota_notmyname:mattoliverau: thanks :)21:28
notmynamewe've got to get the EC patches in soon so that we can have it usefully usable for people. please keep track of the bugs and patches for them21:28
notmynameI'll start he EC bugfix patches too21:29
notmynameso they show up on the review dashboard21:29
*** heyongli has quit IRC21:29
notmynameany questions on EC work?21:29
notmynameok, moving on then21:29
minwoob_Okay. I will ask the cores who have reviewed mine, to revisit them soon.21:29
notmynameminwoob_: thansk21:29
notmynametorgomatic has been working on some ring data placement improvements and has a fun new ring tool.21:30
mattoliverauminwoob_: I'll look this morning21:30
notmynametorgomatic: can you share a summary?21:30
*** jasondotstar has quit IRC21:30
*** VanL has quit IRC21:30
*** dmorita__ has left #openstack-meeting21:30
torgomatictwo parts:21:30
*** heyongli has joined #openstack-meeting21:31
torgomaticpart the first: there's a tool that simulates a bunch of rebalances/set-weights/etc. and shows you how many parts changed at each step as well as how many rebalances it took to converge21:31
notmynamethat sounds great21:31
torgomaticthis is useful with the second patch (Patch Jr.), which fixes a bug in the ring builder21:31
torgomaticbasically, with overload > 0, it'd move the stuff that needed to move *and* some stuff that didn't21:32
torgomaticso it took more rebalances to converge and moved more partitions along the way21:32
*** dmorita__ has joined #openstack-meeting21:32
torgomaticand... uh... it doesn't do that now21:32
torgomatic(with patch 2, I mean)21:32
notmynamesilly patchbot21:32
*** PrashantS has joined #openstack-meeting21:33
notmynameso rebalance with your patch, especially with unbalanced clusters using overload, less data movement now?21:33
*** ivar-lazzaro has joined #openstack-meeting21:33
torgomaticso that's what it does, and that's why it's dependent on the ring builder analyzer is so you can actually see it improve21:33
torgomaticnotmyname: excellent summary21:33
torgomatic*only* with overload > 021:33
*** VanL has joined #openstack-meeting21:33
*** VanL_ has joined #openstack-meeting21:34
torgomaticoverload == 0 doesn't seem to move extra stuff as of master today, and the changes would end up just being a bunch of +0 and *1 operations for overload==021:34
notmynameI'm really excited about several of the recent proposed and landed patches. 1+ object server/port, async container updates, ring balance fixes, ec patches. good stuff going on :-)21:34
notmynametorgomatic: thanks for the update21:35
notmynameany questions from anyone on it?21:35
*** radez` is now known as radez_g0n321:35
*** s3wong has joined #openstack-meeting21:35
mattoliverau+1 nice work torgomatic21:35
notmynameok, next up21:35
torgomaticmattoliverau: go put that on the patch in gerrit ;)21:35
*** padkrish has quit IRC21:36
*** barker has quit IRC21:36
notmynamecschwede: I saw for "add notifications middleware" in my email. looks interesting. tell us more21:36
mattoliverautorgomatic: ok ok, I've only just woke up :P21:36
cschwedeit's a simple middleware that sits in the proxy pipeline, sending notifications on PUT/POST/COPY/DELETE. Designed to be used with OpenStack Zaqar, but anything that understands a POST request with a JSON body should be usable21:36
*** padkrish has joined #openstack-meeting21:36
notmynamecschwede: ah interesting that it's using zaqar. nice21:37
cschwedeit’s related to one of the recently merged specs21:37
notmynameso anything that needs to be built on a durable notification queue can use it?21:37
notmynameeg policy migrations? tape storage? auto tiering? maybe new contaienr sync?21:37
*** barker has joined #openstack-meeting21:38
*** PrashantS has quit IRC21:38
cschwedenotmyname: basically, yes. but it’s non blocking (for now); meaning that if the backends fails, swift continues and only logs errors21:38
notmynamecschwede: so what's needed there or what's next? is that the first of several patches? is it all ready for review and merge now?21:38
*** doude has quit IRC21:38
*** VanL has quit IRC21:38
*** PrashantS has joined #openstack-meeting21:38
*** doude has joined #openstack-meeting21:38
cschwedei think it’s ready for review right now. would like to get some initial feedback on it (already got some from Pete and Hisashi; thanks!)21:39
*** dprince has quit IRC21:39
torgomaticyeah, definitely good that it sheds load like that21:40
notmynameanything else going on that hasn't been covered yet? (before we move on to bugs and specs)?21:40
notmynameanything else to report on?21:40
torgomaticotherwise I could see a small Zaqar getting hammered by a Swift cluster, crashing, and then Swift saving the load up for when the Zaqar service gets repaired and kncking it over again21:40
notmynameok, moving on to some bug tracking21:41
*** puranamr has joined #openstack-meeting21:41
*** padkrish has quit IRC21:41
notmyname#topic bugs21:41
*** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: swift)"21:41
cschwedetorgomatic: exactly. but with the logs and txn_ids an operator might manually send notifications later, if that’s a hard requirement21:41
notmynamewe've already covered the EC bugs. looks like those are being worked through (great!)21:41
notmynamethere are 68 bugs that are in "new" state on swiftclient
*** maishsk has joined #openstack-meeting21:42
*** doude has quit IRC21:42
*** hrou has joined #openstack-meeting21:42
notmynamethose need to be looked at and marked as confirmed or needs more info or invalid21:42
cschwedesome really old stuff there…21:42
notmynameI'd appreciate help from anyone on triaging them21:42
notmynamecschwede: yup21:43
*** doude has joined #openstack-meeting21:43
*** zaitcev has joined #openstack-meeting21:43
joeljwrightnotmyname: I can take a look at some, but not until after July 10th21:43
notmynamejoeljwright: is there anything (beyond the gate fix that timburke did) that needs special attention today?21:43
joeljwrightthere are quite few patches sitting without review for some time21:44
*** IlyaG has quit IRC21:44
notmynametorgomatic: does your gate plunger script do swiftcleint patches too?21:44
joeljwrightI'll try ot get people chased up on those too when I get through the software release I'm working on atm21:44
notmynamejoeljwright: thanks! that would be great!21:44
torgomaticnotmyname: don't think so; the job names are different21:44
*** spzala has quit IRC21:44
torgomaticnot too hard to fix though21:45
notmynametorgomatic: ok. we'll need to recheck a lot of them after timburke's patch lands21:45
torgomaticnotmyname: heh, looks like it tries to, but fails miserably :D :(21:45
notmynamejoeljwright: timburke: I'll work on getting all the swiftclient patches rechecked (ie I'll bug torgomatic about his script) after the gate issue is fixed for us21:46
joeljwright notmyname: :D21:46
mattoliveraudeligation power :)21:46
timburkeseveral (including my own) have fallen off of the review dashboard's "Older open patches" section21:46
notmynameanything else to cover on swiftclient right now?21:46
notmynametimburke: yeah, I'd like to improve the dashboard to be better about patches falling off21:47
notmynametimburke: seems it still needs work21:47
notmynametimburke: I'd be happy to work on that21:47
*** doude has quit IRC21:47
notmynameok, last item on the agenda (looks like we actually made it through the whole thing this week!)...21:48
notmyname#topic specs21:48
*** openstack changes topic to "specs (Meeting topic: swift)"21:48
*** mmedvede has quit IRC21:48
*** doude has joined #openstack-meeting21:48
notmynamehere are the specs that have not landed21:48
*** Zucan has left #openstack-meeting21:49
*** pritesh has quit IRC21:49
*** roampune has quit IRC21:49
*** balajiiyer has quit IRC21:49
notmynamethere's 3 with a +1 already21:49
notmynamethose are probably the quickest place to make improvements21:49
*** pritesh has joined #openstack-meeting21:49
*** roampune has joined #openstack-meeting21:49
notmynameho: looks like I owe you a review on the oslo config spec21:49
notmynamemattoliverau: have you seen any activity this week on the large container spec?21:50
*** nadeem has quit IRC21:50
zaitcevthere's a spec?21:50
mattoliveraubut its just information on the current POC, so make sense.21:50
zaitcevoh 13992121:50
*** aimon has quit IRC21:50
notmynamecschwede: anything on your container alias spec?21:51
*** ayoung has joined #openstack-meeting21:51
mattoliverauBut I should patch it with more new data.21:51
notmynamemattoliverau: ok21:51
*** lufix has quit IRC21:51
cschwedenotmyname: no, not yet21:51
*** bknudson has quit IRC21:51
mattoliverauI was hoping to patch after the summit version lands.21:51
notmynametorgomatic: can you look at the keymaster discussion spec this week?
torgomaticnotmyname: sure21:51
*** neelashah has quit IRC21:51
notmynamemattoliverau: yeah, that would be good. get something landed21:51
cschwedei need to answer tdasilva’s questions though21:51
*** alop has quit IRC21:52
notmynametorgomatic: thanks21:52
notmynamecschwede: ok21:52
honotmyname: as for the oslo config spec, i don't use global oslo conf on my rbac patch. so i might set the spec to abandoned.21:52
notmynameho: ah, interesting. ok21:52
*** amitgandhinz has quit IRC21:52
*** barker has quit IRC21:53
notmynameanything else on specs to cover int he meeting this week?21:53
notmyname#topic open discussion21:53
*** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: swift)"21:53
notmynameanything else to bring up?21:53
*** elo has joined #openstack-meeting21:53
notmynameI've got a picture of contrib activity I worked on this weekend21:54
notmynamei'm slowly working on ways to see how and where we are active as a group to see how we can continue to grow and maintain a healthy community21:54
zaitcevWhat are the color.21:55
cschwedenotmyname: nice work! are these just random colors or do they mean anything?21:55
*** dannywilson has quit IRC21:55
notmynamecolors are random21:55
*** puranamr has quit IRC21:55
*** egallen has quit IRC21:55
*** blmartin has quit IRC21:55
notmynamethe "activity period" in that rendering is 14 days. so there is a 14 day long bar after a commit lands21:55
*** blmartin has joined #openstack-meeting21:55
zaitcevI'm pretty much spending all my time on a genious plan to destroy Swift, so not much in the way of contribution at all.21:56
*** dannywilson has joined #openstack-meeting21:56
*** singleth_ has joined #openstack-meeting21:56
notmynameright now I expect to have a swift meeting next week, but I've been called to check in for jury duty. so who knows what will happen21:56
notmynameI'll update the wiki page as soon as I hear something21:57
*** alop has joined #openstack-meeting21:57
notmynameanything else?21:57
mattoliveraucschwede: did an awesome job of getting the MAXHEADERS patch up and fixing the gate last week!21:57
notmynameoh yeah!21:57
mattoliverauthought he deserved some kudos21:58
notmynameI mean to bring that up21:58
cschwedemattoliverau: notmyname: thx :)21:58
notmynameany concerns backporting that patch to kilo and juno?21:58
notmynamecschwede: thanks for doing it! great work21:58
*** barker has joined #openstack-meeting21:58
notmynamecschwede and timburke are my heroes this week for fixing gate issues21:58
mattoliveraunot, we should do it21:59
notmynameI agree. I'll land those this afternoon21:59
mattoliverau*nope (back porting)21:59
notmynameok, thanks everyone for coming21:59
*** singlethink has quit IRC21:59
notmynamesee you in #openstack-swift21:59
*** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: networking)"21:59
openstackMeeting ended Wed Jul  1 21:59:52 2015 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at . (v 0.1.4)21:59
*** joeljwright has left #openstack-meeting21:59
*** redbo has left #openstack-meeting21:59
openstackMinutes (text):
*** zaitcev has left #openstack-meeting22:00
*** ho has left #openstack-meeting22:00
*** padkrish has joined #openstack-meeting22:00
*** timburke has left #openstack-meeting22:01
*** shashank_hegde has quit IRC22:01
*** dmorita has quit IRC22:01
*** torgomatic has left #openstack-meeting22:01
*** annegentle has joined #openstack-meeting22:02
*** kota_ has quit IRC22:03
*** hashar has quit IRC22:05
*** pritesh has quit IRC22:05
*** roampune has quit IRC22:05
*** pritesh has joined #openstack-meeting22:06
*** roampune has joined #openstack-meeting22:06
*** VanL_ has quit IRC22:09
*** roampune has quit IRC22:10
*** pritesh has quit IRC22:11
*** thingee has quit IRC22:11
*** thingee has joined #openstack-meeting22:11
*** thingee has quit IRC22:11
*** thingee has joined #openstack-meeting22:11
*** blmartin has quit IRC22:11
*** pradk has quit IRC22:14
*** ijw has joined #openstack-meeting22:14
*** acoles is now known as acoles_away22:14
*** mmedvede has joined #openstack-meeting22:16
*** banix has quit IRC22:16
*** weshay has quit IRC22:16
*** sdake_ is now known as sdake22:17
*** doude has quit IRC22:17
*** dims_ has joined #openstack-meeting22:17
*** jrichli has left #openstack-meeting22:18
*** aimon has joined #openstack-meeting22:19
*** alop has quit IRC22:20
*** dims has quit IRC22:21
*** nadirvardar has quit IRC22:23
*** blmartin has joined #openstack-meeting22:27
*** sdake is now known as sdake_22:29
*** singleth_ has quit IRC22:30
*** amrith is now known as _amrith_22:30
*** PrashantS has quit IRC22:31
*** glange has left #openstack-meeting22:31
*** blmartin has quit IRC22:32
*** PrashantS has joined #openstack-meeting22:32
*** jlhinson has quit IRC22:32
*** ctrath1 has quit IRC22:32
*** padkrish has quit IRC22:32
*** padkrish has joined #openstack-meeting22:33
*** Prashant_ has joined #openstack-meeting22:33
*** puranamr has joined #openstack-meeting22:34
*** PrashantS has quit IRC22:36
*** emagana has quit IRC22:37
*** padkrish has quit IRC22:37
*** darrenc_ is now known as darrenc22:37
*** henrynash has quit IRC22:38
*** Prashant_ has quit IRC22:38
*** ddieterly has joined #openstack-meeting22:38
*** ddieterly has quit IRC22:44
*** ddieterl_ has joined #openstack-meeting22:44
*** roampune has joined #openstack-meeting22:45
*** Sukhdev has quit IRC22:45
*** Sukhdev has joined #openstack-meeting22:45
*** fallenpegasus has quit IRC22:45
*** pritesh has joined #openstack-meeting22:45
*** weshay has joined #openstack-meeting22:47
*** martines has quit IRC22:48
*** shashank_hegde has joined #openstack-meeting22:48
*** padkrish has joined #openstack-meeting22:51
*** barker has quit IRC22:52
*** jamielennox has left #openstack-meeting22:53
*** sdake_ has quit IRC22:54
*** minwoob_ has quit IRC22:54
*** topol has quit IRC22:56
*** jecarey has quit IRC22:57
*** dannywilson has quit IRC23:02
*** dannywilson has joined #openstack-meeting23:03
*** carl_baldwin has quit IRC23:03
*** asettle-afk is now known as asettle23:03
*** radek_ has quit IRC23:05
*** _hrou_ has joined #openstack-meeting23:06
*** nelsnelson has quit IRC23:07
*** ItSANg___ has joined #openstack-meeting23:08
*** adahms has joined #openstack-meeting23:08
*** otter768 has joined #openstack-meeting23:08
*** ItSANgo_ has quit IRC23:09
*** jasondotstar has joined #openstack-meeting23:09
*** annegentle has quit IRC23:10
*** _hrou_ has quit IRC23:11
*** _hrou_ has joined #openstack-meeting23:11
*** hrou has quit IRC23:12
*** _hrou_ has quit IRC23:12
*** hrou has joined #openstack-meeting23:12
*** pratikma_ has joined #openstack-meeting23:13
*** DericHorn-HP has joined #openstack-meeting23:13
*** otter768 has quit IRC23:13
*** pratikmallya has quit IRC23:16
*** hichihara has joined #openstack-meeting23:17
*** vivek-ebay has quit IRC23:18
*** vivek-ebay has joined #openstack-meeting23:18
*** lpeer has joined #openstack-meeting23:26
*** lazy_prince has joined #openstack-meeting23:26
*** lpeer__ has quit IRC23:26
*** yamamoto has joined #openstack-meeting23:27
*** carl_baldwin has joined #openstack-meeting23:29
*** IanGovett has quit IRC23:30
*** otter768 has joined #openstack-meeting23:30
*** fbo- has quit IRC23:31
*** stevemar has joined #openstack-meeting23:32
*** enikanorov2 has quit IRC23:33
*** annegentle has joined #openstack-meeting23:34
*** safchain has quit IRC23:34
*** stevemar has quit IRC23:35
*** tochi has joined #openstack-meeting23:36
*** nadeem has joined #openstack-meeting23:37
*** padkrish has quit IRC23:37
*** padkrish has joined #openstack-meeting23:38
*** TravT has left #openstack-meeting23:38
*** yamamoto has quit IRC23:39
*** puranamr has quit IRC23:39
*** puranamr has joined #openstack-meeting23:40
*** gyee has quit IRC23:40
*** vivek-ebay has quit IRC23:41
*** baoli has quit IRC23:41
*** vivek-ebay has joined #openstack-meeting23:41
*** padkrish has quit IRC23:42
*** carl_baldwin has quit IRC23:47
*** vivek-ebay has quit IRC23:47
*** vivek-ebay has joined #openstack-meeting23:47
*** carl_baldwin has joined #openstack-meeting23:48
*** hurricanerix has left #openstack-meeting23:49
*** cebruns has quit IRC23:49
*** DericHorn-HP has quit IRC23:50
*** vivek-eb_ has joined #openstack-meeting23:50
*** cebruns has joined #openstack-meeting23:51
*** xingchao_ has joined #openstack-meeting23:51
*** DericHorn-HP has joined #openstack-meeting23:52
*** jasondotstar has quit IRC23:52
*** novas0x2a|laptop has quit IRC23:53
*** vivek-ebay has quit IRC23:53
*** DericHorn-HP has quit IRC23:53
*** JRobinson__ has joined #openstack-meeting23:53
*** trey has quit IRC23:53
*** nadeem has quit IRC23:54
*** ijw has quit IRC23:54
*** pritesh has quit IRC23:55
*** roampune has quit IRC23:55
*** pritesh has joined #openstack-meeting23:56
*** roampune has joined #openstack-meeting23:56
*** ijw_ has joined #openstack-meeting23:57
*** puranamr_ has joined #openstack-meeting23:57
*** temujin_ has quit IRC23:59

Generated by 2.14.0 by Marius Gedminas - find it at!