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| joehuang | hello | 13:02 |
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| zhiyuan | hi | 13:02 |
| joehuang | hi good evening | 13:03 |
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| joehuang | sorry, zhipeng is on vocation, and eran/saggi is not online today. let's have the tricircle weekly meeting next Wendsday | 13:20 |
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| zhiyuan | ok | 13:20 |
| zhiyuan | see you next week | 13:20 |
| joehuang | see you | 13:20 |
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| amandap | hi ShillaSaebi :) | 13:51 |
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| ShillaSaebi | Hi amandap! | 13:54 |
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| AJaeger | Hi ShillaSaebi ! | 14:00 |
| ShillaSaebi | #startmeeting docteam | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 1 14:00:11 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ShillaSaebi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 14:00 |
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| ShillaSaebi | Hi AJaeger | 14:00 |
| Sam-I-Am | morning | 14:00 |
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| berendt | hi | 14:00 |
| ShillaSaebi | hello | 14:00 |
| katomo | Hi | 14:00 |
| ShillaSaebi | hi everyone | 14:00 |
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| ShillaSaebi | lets go ahead and get started | 14:00 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from the last meeting (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 14:01 | |
| ShillaSaebi | loquacities was to investigate if an ops guide RST conversion is feasible, and report back to the ops guide team | 14:01 |
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| ShillaSaebi | She did and we decided that we will wait until the "M" release to discuss it as there is too much RST conversion going on right now | 14:02 |
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| ShillaSaebi | this was also communicated with the ops guide team and everyones in the loop from that specialty team | 14:02 |
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| annegentle | hola! | 14:02 |
| ShillaSaebi | hi annegentle! | 14:02 |
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| annegentle | good-o | 14:03 |
| ShillaSaebi | anyone have any questions about the action items? | 14:03 |
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| ShillaSaebi | hi Zucan | 14:03 |
| Zucan | Good morning Shilla! | 14:03 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok great | 14:03 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Liberty specs in review | 14:03 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/docs-specs,n,z | 14:03 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #link https://review.openstack.org/191074 (Debian Install Guide) | 14:03 |
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| annegentle | I ran some numbers and in 4.5 months we converted 133 XML files last release. | 14:04 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191041/ (Driver docs - requires discussion) | 14:04 |
| ShillaSaebi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191077/ (Install Guide Liberty update - WIP) | 14:04 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177934/ (API work) | 14:04 |
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| ShillaSaebi | so as of last week the spec for the debian install guide rewrite was underway | 14:05 |
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| ShillaSaebi | not expecting that work to start for a little while | 14:05 |
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| ShillaSaebi | ok lets go ahead and move on to specialty teams | 14:06 |
| annegentle | is Alex here? | 14:06 |
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| annegentle | He's addressing questions in the review | 14:06 |
| ShillaSaebi | paging Alex | 14:06 |
| ShillaSaebi | not sure | 14:06 |
| ShillaSaebi | it doesn't appear so | 14:07 |
| KLevenstein | Debian install guide you say? :) | 14:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | there's some notes on the spec | 14:07 |
| Sam-I-Am | and also karin | 14:07 |
| annegentle | ok, it's fine to move onward if we're just raising awareness of specs and people are talking in the reviews | 14:07 |
| KLevenstein | yeah, there is discussion going on in the reviews | 14:07 |
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| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: I asked in the review itself to be super specific about what arch differences you'd like to be the same | 14:08 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok | 14:08 |
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| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: mmkay, didnt see that comment yet | 14:08 |
| KLevenstein | it just posted | 14:09 |
| Sam-I-Am | there we go | 14:09 |
| ShillaSaebi | cool | 14:09 |
| Sam-I-Am | debian has no support for nova-net with debconf | 14:09 |
| Sam-I-Am | so thats already out | 14:09 |
| Sam-I-Am | i'll comment when i get a chance | 14:09 |
| KLevenstein | thanks, Sam-I-Am | 14:09 |
| Sam-I-Am | right now finding bugs in linuxbridge agent :/ | 14:10 |
| annegentle | right, let's be clear | 14:10 |
| annegentle | ok | 14:10 |
| annegentle | Driver docs, I've commented on, but don't know if we'll be able to remove those. | 14:10 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: are you still pursuing that idea? | 14:11 |
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| annegentle | I also hadn't heard Lana's take on that one | 14:11 |
| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: yeah, sort of waiting on lana | 14:11 |
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| Sam-I-Am | we need to remove crufty stuff, but i really can't take on any more work (such as vendor relations) | 14:11 |
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| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: sure | 14:11 |
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| annegentle | Honestly I don't htink vendors have "another place" to put those docs. | 14:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | on their own web sites? | 14:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | its a product they sell usually | 14:12 |
| annegentle | so I still think our best way forward is what we've already done. just my 2 cents | 14:12 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: I asked that and was told they don't have a place | 14:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | like vmware nsx | 14:12 |
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| Sam-I-Am | this is Not Free | 14:13 |
| Sam-I-Am | in fact, is WAY not free | 14:13 |
| ShillaSaebi | +1 | 14:13 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: I've worked in enterprise doc enviros where I could see that happeneing. | 14:13 |
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| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: sure, just saying what I discovered from talking to people last release. | 14:13 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i find it difficult that a company selling a $$$$ product cant find a place to put docs for it | 14:13 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i'm sure there's nsx docs on the vmware web site somewhere | 14:13 |
| Sam-I-Am | (not that its the only offender) | 14:14 |
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| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: it was more than vmware, oracle, storage drivers, etc. | 14:14 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: sure, again, just stating what I found last release. | 14:14 |
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| AJaeger | I agree with annegentle | 14:14 |
| AJaeger | But I feel Sam-I-Am 's load. | 14:15 |
| AJaeger | So, what we said is: Add yourself to the wiki, update it yourself, otherwise we remove it eventually. | 14:15 |
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| AJaeger | Basically saying: WE review but do not write the content | 14:15 |
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| Sam-I-Am | annegentle: what i have the most problem with is stale content | 14:15 |
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| Sam-I-Am | and we're not familiar with the third-party stuff enough to clean it up | 14:16 |
| annegentle | Sam-I-Am: yep we all do. | 14:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | so we get bugs filed, and the third-party people never fix them | 14:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | they just dump crap into the repos | 14:16 |
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| ShillaSaebi | anyone have bandwidth that can reach out to these third-party people? | 14:16 |
| AJaeger | For the config-ref guide, I would just say: No contact listed, remove it. Contact listed: Ask for change, wait, remove if nothing happens. | 14:16 |
| ShillaSaebi | is that task even worth pursuing? | 14:16 |
| Sam-I-Am | AJaeger: that makes sense | 14:16 |
| AJaeger | We reached out for config-ref to many people, annegentle added it to her "What's up doc" as well | 14:17 |
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| AJaeger | Still, now we would need to go through the guide and remove outdated information with no owners... | 14:17 |
| * AJaeger currently has no time for this | 14:17 | |
| annegentle | My current take is that I don't htink we'll get different answers than last time, but Lana may want to reach out anyway to see if answers are different. I do think it's worth pursuing | 14:18 |
| annegentle | AJaeger: that's a good idea, just need an assignee | 14:18 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok any takers? | 14:18 |
| AJaeger | So, for e.g. VMware NSX et al: Add a section to "What'S up doc" asking for contacting us - otherwise content gets removed in two weeks... | 14:18 |
| Sam-I-Am | do people read that? | 14:19 |
| ShillaSaebi | that sounds fine to me but they may miss that email | 14:19 |
| ShillaSaebi | maybe a direct email? | 14:19 |
| Sam-I-Am | at least our target audience | 14:19 |
| ShillaSaebi | yeah it can easily be missed | 14:19 |
| annegentle | ShillaSaebi: haven't found one so far, though jaegerandi and I are on the spec Sam-I-Am posted... so blocking the spec until we get assignees | 14:20 |
| annegentle | basically that summarizes it | 14:20 |
| Sam-I-Am | we need more bodies | 14:20 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok we can always send an email to the ML and ask for volunteers | 14:20 |
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| Sam-I-Am | it would be nice if the devs for the services that have third-party bits could take this on for their project | 14:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | they would know the third party bits better than us | 14:21 |
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| Sam-I-Am | can we ask the liaisons? | 14:22 |
| AJaeger | You could ask the neutron doc liason (do we have one) to provide those - or write a specific email to devs with proper subject | 14:22 |
| AJaeger | Sam-I-Am: +1 ;) | 14:22 |
| annegentle | I also sent email to the third-party ML | 14:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | i can probably handle neutron, but... all the other services | 14:22 |
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| ShillaSaebi | yes we do - Ihar Hrachyshka | 14:22 |
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| AJaeger | ShillaSaebi: If people don't react, remove it. We can easily readd a change later again... | 14:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | AJaeger: +1 | 14:23 |
| ShillaSaebi | +1 | 14:23 |
| katomo | +1 | 14:23 |
| annegentle | sounds good | 14:24 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok awesome now the question is, who's going to reach out to the devs | 14:24 |
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| ShillaSaebi | and we should also run this by Lana | 14:24 |
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| annegentle | right, set an action for her to circle back on | 14:25 |
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| ShillaSaebi | ok #action loquacities to circle back on third-party content | 14:26 |
| AJaeger | ShillaSaebi: don't put an "ok" before #action | 14:26 |
| annegentle | ShillaSaebi: #action has to be at the beginning of the line for note-taking :) | 14:26 |
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| ShillaSaebi | oh nice thanks | 14:27 |
| ShillaSaebi | #action loquacities to circle back on third-party content | 14:27 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #action Shilla to e-mail Lana summarizing the solutions for the third-party content | 14:27 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok great anything else on this subject? | 14:28 |
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| Sam-I-Am | nope, just need some movement :/ | 14:28 |
| ShillaSaebi | yup | 14:28 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Specialty teams | 14:28 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #info HA Guide - RST migration underway: #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/improve-ha-guide | 14:28 |
| ShillaSaebi | #info Install Guides - RST migration now underway, sign up here: #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/Migrate#Installation_Guide_Migration | 14:29 |
| ShillaSaebi | #info Networking Guide - Test & review for Liberty updates. | 14:29 |
| ShillaSaebi | #info Security Guide - RST conversion in planning. | 14:29 |
| ShillaSaebi | #info User Guides - Cloud Admin Guide RST conversion now underway | 14:29 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/Migrate#Cloud_Admin_Guide_Migration | 14:30 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #info Ops/Arch Guides - New speciality team, had first meeting last week and plan is to work on cleanup and refresh of content as of now | 14:30 |
| ShillaSaebi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/OpsGuide | 14:30 |
| ShillaSaebi | #info API docs - Please review the spec #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177934/ | 14:30 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #info Config Ref - Another new speciality team! Thanks Guavain #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/ConfigRef | 14:31 |
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| ShillaSaebi | does anyone have any other updates on speciality teams to add? | 14:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | i'm working on the network guide scenarios | 14:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | also getting some contributions from neutron devs | 14:32 |
| ShillaSaebi | thats awesome | 14:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | yep | 14:32 |
| annegentle | woot | 14:32 |
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| ShillaSaebi | any other updates on the specialty teams? | 14:32 |
| ShillaSaebi | mmmkay moving along | 14:33 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Doc tools update | 14:33 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #info openstack-doc-tools 0.29.1 has been released. This fixes a translation bug in 0.29.0 | 14:33 |
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| ShillaSaebi | thank you AJaeger | 14:34 |
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| annegentle | AJaeger: you want to update? I can. | 14:35 |
| annegentle | Basically we have a new openstack-doc-tools release, 0.29, and released version 1.1.0 of openstackdocstheme | 14:35 |
| annegentle | oh yes, 0.29.1 | 14:35 |
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| annegentle | thanks for the fixes for translations AJaeger | 14:35 |
| ShillaSaebi | yes there was an issue with the 0.29 update that caused problems with RST translation and they've quickly fixed that and released 0.29.1 and thank you! | 14:35 |
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| ShillaSaebi | ok lets go ahead and move on | 14:36 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #topic Docs Liaisons | 14:37 |
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| ShillaSaebi | Don't forget that we have wonderful liaisons when we're working on a bug, or asking for reviews: #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons#Documentation | 14:37 |
| Sam-I-Am | wish some of them were at these meetings | 14:37 |
| ShillaSaebi | yes I agree | 14:37 |
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| ShillaSaebi | Lana has been communicating with some of these liaisons in the past couple of weeks and one of the requests we are getting is that we add them to reviews or bugs as we're going | 14:38 |
| Sam-I-Am | we need to work on this | 14:38 |
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| Sam-I-Am | most of the docs folks are not involved in any particular non-docs projects | 14:39 |
| ShillaSaebi | so as an example, if you're working on a horizon bug, or have a docs patch in that discusses horizon, make sure you cc in the horizon liaisons | 14:39 |
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| Sam-I-Am | add them to the bug and the patch? | 14:39 |
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| ShillaSaebi | yes | 14:39 |
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| ShillaSaebi | any questions on that? | 14:40 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #topic i18n Team | 14:40 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/I18nTeam/docs-translation#Document_categorize | 14:41 |
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| ShillaSaebi | if you're working on a doc that is translated, then please keep the translators in mind. We should help them to make sure they're not translating and retranslating unnecessarily | 14:41 |
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| ShillaSaebi | ok any questions on that | 14:42 |
| Sam-I-Am | ShillaSaebi: i'm not really sure how they work | 14:42 |
| Sam-I-Am | do they just see changes we make? or go by release | 14:42 |
| annegentle | have to drop to get to another meeting in time, will read the notes and log | 14:43 |
| * annegentle waves | 14:43 | |
| Sam-I-Am | bye | 14:43 |
| ShillaSaebi | bye anngentle | 14:43 |
| ShillaSaebi | Sam-I-Am I'm not really sure, AJaeger may have more insight on that | 14:43 |
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| katomo | Sam-I-Am: translators can see changes at Transifex(translation web service). | 14:43 |
| Sam-I-Am | ah | 14:44 |
| katomo | Changed strings are pushed automatically. | 14:44 |
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| katomo | They can find UNtranslated strings. | 14:44 |
| Sam-I-Am | ahh | 14:44 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok | 14:44 |
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| janonymous | \o | 14:45 |
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| ShillaSaebi | ok cool | 14:45 |
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| * AJaeger_ is back, I got disconnected ;( | 14:46 | |
| ShillaSaebi | welcome back | 14:46 |
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| ShillaSaebi | ok moving on | 14:46 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #topic Ironic Docs | 14:46 |
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| ShillaSaebi | Gauvain, Nick and myself were going to be working on reviewing the ironic install guide | 14:47 |
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| Sam-I-Am | is there any reason the ironic install guide is in devdocs? | 14:47 |
| Sam-I-Am | seems like something that should be in the more official docs | 14:47 |
| ShillaSaebi | I think we wanted to move it over but wanted some docs people to review them first | 14:48 |
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| Sam-I-Am | ok | 14:48 |
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| ShillaSaebi | so we did that and theres been heavy discussion on conventions | 14:48 |
| Sam-I-Am | oh? | 14:48 |
| ShillaSaebi | so none of the reviews moved forward | 14:48 |
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| AJaeger_ | Sam-I-Am: spelling of "Bare Metal" vs "Bare metal" | 14:48 |
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| ShillaSaebi | there's some contention over standards on this at the moment, which we're trying to work out. Lana is suppose to be in touch with the PTL from ironic | 14:49 |
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| AJaeger_ | annegentle is reviewing this with the TC, plan is to create consistency across projects | 14:49 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194230/ | 14:49 |
| Sam-I-Am | AJaeger_: oh, yuck | 14:49 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191900/ | 14:50 |
| ShillaSaebi | yeah feel free to look at those to catch up on what's going on | 14:50 |
| ShillaSaebi | it's been a little messy but hopefully will get resolved soon | 14:50 |
| ShillaSaebi | any questions on this? | 14:51 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok! | 14:51 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic APAC Meetups | 14:51 |
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| ShillaSaebi | Planning for an APAC OpenStack meet up, ping asettle & adahms | 14:51 |
| ShillaSaebi | Planning for APAC Docs Swarm on 13-14 August, ping Suyog | 14:51 |
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| ShillaSaebi | the APAC OpenStack meetup was originally planned for June but that clearly didn't happen | 14:51 |
| ShillaSaebi | any questions/comments? | 14:52 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #topic Spotlight bugs | 14:52 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #info Last week's spotlight bugs: two were closed, the third is in progress. Yay! | 14:52 |
| ShillaSaebi | #info #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1330005 Glance image properties and values (low hanging fruit) | 14:53 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1330005 in openstack-manuals "Glance image properties and values are not documented" [Medium,Fix released] - Assigned to idzzy (idzzy) | 14:53 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #info #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1394397 Nova notification_driver | 14:53 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1394397 in openstack-manuals "notification_driver is poorly documented" [Low,Triaged] | 14:53 |
| ShillaSaebi | #info #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1205402 iPXE ISO boot support | 14:53 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1205402 in openstack-manuals " xenapi: Added iPXE ISO boot support" [Medium,Won't fix] | 14:53 |
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| ShillaSaebi | the spotlight bugs seem to be working great, so we will continue bringing these up | 14:54 |
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| ShillaSaebi | any questions on the spotlight bugs? | 14:54 |
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| Sam-I-Am | how does one spotlight a bug? | 14:54 |
| ShillaSaebi | that's a GREAT question | 14:55 |
| ShillaSaebi | they come from the newsletter | 14:55 |
| ShillaSaebi | so we should ask Lana who they're chosen | 14:55 |
| ShillaSaebi | how* | 14:55 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #action Shilla to find out how spotlight bugs are chose | 14:55 |
| AJaeger_ | Sam-I-Am: do you have one you like to spotlight? Consider adding it to loquacities's drafting page for the news letter... | 14:56 |
| ShillaSaebi | chosen* aghhh | 14:56 |
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| ShillaSaebi | yeah thats a good idea | 14:56 |
| Sam-I-Am | AJaeger_: oh, i havent seen the drafting page either :/ | 14:56 |
| AJaeger_ | Sam-I-Am: read her news letter completely, it contains a link ;) | 14:56 |
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| Sam-I-Am | AJaeger_: i figured as much | 14:56 |
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| AJaeger_ | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2015-June/006865.html - second paragraph | 14:57 |
| ShillaSaebi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/WhatsUpDoc | 14:57 |
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| ShillaSaebi | ok we've got 3 minutes before we've got to give up the room | 14:57 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Open discussion | 14:57 |
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| ShillaSaebi | anything anyone wants to bring up | 14:57 |
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| Sam-I-Am | this is a serious bug - https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystonemiddleware/+bug/1428317 | 14:57 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1428317 in keystonemiddleware "Turn auth_token plugin config blog post into docs" [High,Triaged] - Assigned to Jamie Lennox (jamielennox) | 14:57 |
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| Sam-I-Am | although its not in the docs repo | 14:58 |
| Sam-I-Am | the primary dev for keystone middleware flat out refuses to write docs | 14:58 |
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| Sam-I-Am | this will be the second time keystone middleware has undergone significant changes with 0 docs outside of a blog post | 14:58 |
| Sam-I-Am | i've had to reverse engineer it both times | 14:58 |
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| Sam-I-Am | not sure who to contact about that | 14:59 |
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| Sam-I-Am | maybe the keystone folks | 14:59 |
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| ShillaSaebi | yeah | 15:00 |
| ShillaSaebi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/keystonemiddleware,n,z | 15:01 |
| ShillaSaebi | maybe some of the change owners | 15:01 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok looks like we're at time | 15:01 |
| Sam-I-Am | yep | 15:01 |
| ShillaSaebi | thank you everyone | 15:01 |
| ShillaSaebi | i have to jump off for another meeting | 15:01 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #endmeeting | 15:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 1 15:02:02 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-07-01-14.00.html | 15:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-07-01-14.00.txt | 15:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-07-01-14.00.log.html | 15:02 |
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| Sam-I-Am | thanks! | 15:02 |
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| katomo | Thanks! | 15:02 |
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| thingee | #startmeeting cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 1 16:00:04 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is thingee. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| dulek | hi! | 16:00 |
| e0ne | hi! | 16:00 |
| cebruns | hello! | 16:00 |
| thangp | o/ | 16:00 |
| tbarron | hi | 16:00 |
| eharney | hi | 16:00 |
| jseiler | hi | 16:00 |
| mriedem | hi | 16:00 |
| xyang2 | hi | 16:00 |
| sgotliv | o/ | 16:00 |
| liuxg | hi | 16:00 |
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| deepakcs | o/ | 16:00 |
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| thingee | hi everyone! | 16:00 |
| flip214 | . | 16:00 |
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| thingee | #topic announcements | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:01 | |
| thingee | #info Cinder is not accepting anymore drivers for liberty | 16:01 |
| thingee | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-May/064072.html | 16:01 |
| jgriffith | o/ | 16:01 |
| thingee | Please stop harassing me on PM's about it | 16:01 |
| erlon | hi | 16:01 |
| jgriffith | LOL | 16:01 |
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| hemna | :) | 16:02 |
| thingee | I will be approving RPC and version object work by thangp this week | 16:02 |
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| thingee | #info spec for rpc compat is planned to be approved this week | 16:02 |
| thangp | \o/ | 16:02 |
| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/192037/5 | 16:02 |
| thingee | speak now or hold your peace | 16:02 |
| e0ne | :) | 16:03 |
| thingee | #info Return request id to caller cross project will be approved this week | 16:03 |
| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/156508/ | 16:03 |
| thingee | speak now or hold your peace. Cinder client will be receiving this treatment in Liberty | 16:03 |
| winston-d | nice | 16:03 |
| hemna | :) | 16:03 |
| thingee | #topic Encrypted volumes | 16:04 |
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| thingee | mriedem: hi! | 16:04 |
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| mriedem | hello | 16:04 |
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| thingee | #info mailing list post | 16:04 |
| thingee | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-June/068117.html | 16:04 |
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| mriedem | so i just read over the latest on the cinder change https://review.openstack.org/#/c/193673/ to set the encrypted flag globally in connection_info | 16:04 |
| mriedem | looks like everyone is in general agreement this is goodness so our heads aren't in the sand | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:04 |
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| mriedem | the tempets change to add the config option to disable the encrypted volume tests is merged | 16:05 |
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| hemna | mriedem, does that also mean it will get saved in nova's bdm ? | 16:05 |
| mriedem | i pinged some -qa guys for the d-g and devstack changes | 16:05 |
| mriedem | hemna: yeah | 16:05 |
| hemna | ok cool | 16:05 |
| mriedem | tbarron: was good enough to open some nova bugs | 16:05 |
| thingee | Is everyone fine with my decision here? http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-June/068370.html | 16:05 |
| mriedem | so those are on the radar, one looks simple (rootwrap filter update?) and the other i'm not sure about, some in-use race or something | 16:05 |
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| thingee | we will just enable this and see which CI's surface with this problem and deal with them on a case by case | 16:06 |
| tbarron | mriedem: there may of course be other bugs exposed once e.g. the rootwrap is fixed | 16:06 |
| tbarron | thingee: +1 | 16:06 |
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| DuncanT | +1 | 16:06 |
| mriedem | tbarron: sure - this is not a very well exposed area, | 16:06 |
| mriedem | so i expect more bugs | 16:06 |
| xyang2 | +1 | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | +2 | 16:06 |
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| patrickeast | +1 | 16:06 |
| mriedem | tbarron: were you working on any of the nova fixes, or just reporting? | 16:06 |
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| tbarron | I'd like other 3rd party CIs to check againgst these two bugs and not just assume their failures are the same | 16:06 |
| thingee | #agreed enable tempest, let ci's surface and work with maintainers to resolve issues in their backend/drivers | 16:06 |
| thingee | mriedem: thanks :) | 16:07 |
| mriedem | np | 16:07 |
| thingee | mriedem: and for all your work on tracking this issue down | 16:07 |
| xyang2 | I've added comments there as our failures are similar to tbarron's | 16:07 |
| mriedem | \o/ | 16:07 |
| tbarron | mriedem: I'd do the rootwrap one right now but I can't submit upstream this week (company is down this week, and I have to get approval) | 16:07 |
| mriedem | tbarron: ok, i'll check it out today | 16:07 |
| xyang2 | FC error is the same as NFS because it uses rootwrap for iscsi | 16:07 |
| tbarron | mriedem: the 'in use' bug is tricky I think | 16:07 |
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| xyang2 | iSCSI error is exactly the same as tbarron's | 16:07 |
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| deepakcs | tbarron: which two bugs, any links ? | 16:07 |
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| mriedem | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1470142 | 16:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1470142 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Nova volume encryptors attach volume fails for NFS and FC" [Medium,Triaged] | 16:08 |
| mriedem | https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1470562 | 16:08 |
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| openstack | Launchpad bug 1470562 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "'in use' error when Nova volume encryptors format cinder volumes" [Medium,Confirmed] | 16:08 |
| xyang2 | tbarron: I modified the bug to add FC there | 16:08 |
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| tbarron | xyang2: yes, I saw, thanks! would you also add to/modify the in-use bug? | 16:08 |
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| thingee | mriedem: anything else to add? | 16:09 |
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| xyang2 | tbarron: sure, I didn't see it yesterday | 16:09 |
| mriedem | thingee: nope | 16:09 |
| tbarron | xyang2: that's because I just now filed it | 16:09 |
| thingee | #topic CI job changes | 16:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CI job changes (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:09 | |
| thingee | e0ne: hi | 16:09 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:09 |
| hemna | mriedem, I wonder if my FC nova patch helps out at all ? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195350/ | 16:09 |
| thingee | #idea make gate-rally-dsvm-cinder job voting | 16:09 |
| e0ne | it's table enough | 16:09 |
| hemna | mriedem, it's been sitting there for a bit w/o attention. | 16:09 |
| hemna | mriedem, it also helps live migration for FC | 16:09 |
| e0ne | and it's only one job wich tests cinder+python-cinderclient | 16:10 |
| e0ne | also, it covers cases which are not tested by tempest | 16:10 |
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| e0ne | e.g. lastest bug with broken backups | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | thingee: e0ne I'm not completely sure about stability on that | 16:10 |
| thingee | e0ne: are there any other projects that have move rally to voting? | 16:10 |
| asselin | o/ | 16:10 |
| e0ne | thingee: i don't know;( | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | thingee: e0ne but I'm +1 if it is | 16:10 |
| mriedem | nova doesn't have a rally job | 16:10 |
| mriedem | fwiw | 16:11 |
| thingee | e0ne: do you have any stats on the stability? | 16:11 |
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| thingee | or how you came to the conclusion of it being stable | 16:11 |
| e0ne | thingee: we could get it using logstash | 16:11 |
| mriedem | e0ne: i think you should check out graphite | 16:11 |
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| mriedem | http://graphite.openstack.org/ | 16:11 |
| mriedem | logstash only has 10 days of results | 16:11 |
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| mriedem | graphite has release cycles worth | 16:11 |
| mriedem | that's how we knew the ceph job stabilized | 16:12 |
| mriedem | before making it votiing | 16:12 |
| thingee | In previous decisions of making things voting like Ceph we have used stats no problem. I don't see any harm in looking that over before we make a decision. | 16:12 |
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| thingee | not sure how long this will take, and if we should just circle back | 16:13 |
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| e0ne | i'm sorry, i didn't get any stats right now:( | 16:13 |
| thingee | ok, I'm fine with it. I'm not sure who is opposed, but if it's stable, sure why not? | 16:13 |
| DuncanT | Agreed - if it is stable then it sounds like a good idea | 16:13 |
| e0ne | tbh, i didn't see any fals-negative reports lasw 2 weeks | 16:14 |
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| mriedem | yfried was saying rally was broken in -infra yesteday | 16:14 |
| mriedem | due to some jsonschema/functools32 stuff | 16:14 |
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| e0ne | i could get some stats and post it to a commit with making job voting | 16:14 |
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| thingee | e0ne: that sounds like a good idea to move forward | 16:14 |
| e0ne | mriedem: it was broken becose some projects were broken | 16:14 |
| mriedem | e0ne: what's the name of the job? | 16:15 |
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| thingee | heh | 16:15 |
| thingee | "not my project, this other project was broken." | 16:15 |
| avishay | hi all, sorry i'm late | 16:15 |
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| thingee | avishay: you're just in time | 16:15 |
| e0ne | thingee: tbh, rally was broken not with cinder related jobs:) | 16:15 |
| dannywilson | e0ne: is there a plan/maintainer if the job starts posting false negatives? point of contact? | 16:15 |
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| * DuncanT can't find jenkins votes in graphite :-( | 16:16 | |
| e0ne | dannywilson: it cold be me | 16:16 |
| e0ne | DuncanT: +1 | 16:16 |
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| winston-d | I can see gate-rally-dsvm-designate/ironic/manila/mistral/murano/zaqar and some more in graphite | 16:16 |
| mriedem | DuncanT: i can find you stats in graphite | 16:16 |
| e0ne | dannywilson: i have +2 for cinder-related patches to rally | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: graphite data loss yesterday due to the storage outage. | 16:16 |
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| thingee | smcginnis: ha | 16:16 |
| winston-d | smcginnis: wondering what kind of storage backend they were using | 16:17 |
| DuncanT | smcginnis: mriedem: I think I might just be looking in the wrong place... a search in graphite for 'cinder' or 'rally' both fail though | 16:17 |
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| dannywilson | e0ne: okay, can we post that somewhere like a wiki page so others can find it too? | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | winston-d: Not mine! :) | 16:17 |
| thingee | dannywilson: we'll discuss this in the next meeting so people can find it | 16:17 |
| flip214 | DuncanT: you'll need an URL like this: http://graphite.openstack.org/render/?width=600&height=344&_salt=1434709688.361&from=-1days&xFormat=%25b%25d-%25T&title=DRBD%20Cinder%2FDevstack%20stats&colorList=red%2Cgreen%2Cblue&target=stats_counts.zuul.pipeline.check.job.check-tempest-dsvm-full-drbd-devstack-nv.FAILURE&target=stats_counts.zuul.pipeline.check.job.check-tempest-dsvm-full-drbd-devstack-nv.SUCCESS | 16:17 |
| thingee | nice URL | 16:17 |
| dannywilson | sounds good | 16:17 |
| e0ne | dannywilson: https://github.com/openstack/rally/blob/master/doc/source/project_info.rst | 16:18 |
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| thingee | #agreed get stats, discuss in next week's meeting | 16:18 |
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| dannywilson | e0ne: thanks | 16:18 |
| e0ne | thingee: thanks! | 16:18 |
| thingee | #action e0ne to get stats and include in review comments for enabling voting job | 16:18 |
| thingee | e0ne: thanks | 16:18 |
| flip214 | DuncanT: or, even better: go to logstash.openstack.org, | 16:18 |
| flip214 | and use a search filter like that: project:"openstack/cinder" AND build_name:"check-tempest-dsvm-full-drbd-devstack-nv" AND "Detailed logs" AND build_status:"FAILURE" | 16:18 |
| thingee | #topic Remove LIO iSCSI helper from Cinder | 16:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Remove LIO iSCSI helper from Cinder (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:19 | |
| thingee | avishay: hi | 16:19 |
| avishay | thingee: hey | 16:19 |
| thingee | #idea remove LIO iscsi helper | 16:19 |
| avishay | so maybe the topic is a little too ... enthusiastic | 16:19 |
| eharney | could we perhaps start with the _problem_ rather than "remove it" | 16:19 |
| e0ne | thingee: what about cinderclient functional tests job? | 16:19 |
| thingee | #info broken in Juno | 16:19 |
| avishay | but LIO in juno is currently broken and has no CI | 16:19 |
| avishay | other iSCSI targets (except tgt AFAIK) have no CI either | 16:19 |
| eharney | i am now taking up the effort for doing CI for LVM+LIO | 16:19 |
| thingee | avishay: FYI, we really had no ci's in juno | 16:19 |
| avishay | the nfs driver has no CI AFAIK | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | eharney: to be fair I raised this last cycle that it's "unknown" how to install and run on Ubuntu and has no CI | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | eharney: and isn't well tested. | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | eharney: IMO we should either get it fixed up and CI'd or remove it | 16:20 |
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| eharney | jgriffith: i agree it's a problem. so let's fix it | 16:20 |
| tbarron | eharney: +1 | 16:20 |
| eharney | i will do CI | 16:20 |
| thingee | avishay: also LIO-iser is exactly what mellanox ci does | 16:20 |
| geguileo | eharney: +1 | 16:20 |
| thingee | however, it's down right now | 16:20 |
| thingee | according to stats | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | eharney: so I quite getting calls from EVERY customer that runs RHEL and it breaks every other iSCSI dev | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | eharney: I'm with ya on that | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | fixing it | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | I'm fine with that | 16:21 |
| hemna | can we fix the LIO helper instead of removing it ? | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | to avishay 's point, the only way people care is when you threaten removal | 16:21 |
| geguileo | hemna: +1 | 16:21 |
| avishay | anyway, i love CI as a deployer, but setting up a test env with LVM or NFS has been rough | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | :) | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: Thanks for being willing to do that. | 16:21 |
| tbarron | hemna: +1 | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | hemna: keep up hemna !! :) | 16:21 |
| thingee | #info Mellanox CI does provide CI for LIO-iser | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: ++ | 16:21 |
| thingee | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ThirdPartySystems/Mellanox_Cinder_CI | 16:21 |
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| jgriffith | tbarron: you've +1 that comment 3 times.. shouldn't it be +3 :) | 16:22 |
| geguileo | eharney: Thanks for taking the work out of my hands :) | 16:22 |
| tbarron | jgriffith: :-) | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | thingee: that doesn't work FWIW | 16:22 |
| avishay | i didn't mean to remove it today, but i think drivers (and iscsi targets) that don't have CI should be removed for liberty | 16:22 |
| thingee | jgriffith: well it's also marked down :) | 16:22 |
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| avishay | including nfs, including the iscsi targets | 16:22 |
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| jgriffith | :) | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | thingee: and IMO not really applicable if you're not running mellanox anyway :) | 16:22 |
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| hemna | avishay, as a side note, we've been slowly getting folks to do CI on os-brick patches. it's kinda a similar setup | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | avishay: I am concerned by the number of people that would potentially effect. | 16:23 |
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| thingee | jgriffith: maybe... I still think there is value in that code path being tested? | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | avishay: I think we need to work on addressing the problems. | 16:23 |
| hemna | but I think we need to have CI for each of the target objects. | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | thingee: for sure | 16:23 |
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| avishay | jungleboyj: you're not concerned about the number of people running broken drivers? i'd rather have it not there than waste days trying to get it working. | 16:23 |
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| jgriffith | thingee: I'm just saying we shouldn't rely on a vendors impl of the target for the CI etc | 16:24 |
| thingee | hemna: I think we made a decision earlier this release about target driver cis | 16:24 |
| avishay | hemna: CI for brick is great as well | 16:24 |
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| hemna | thingee, ok sorry I don't remember what that was. sorry for the churn | 16:24 |
| thingee | jgriffith: so since things like LIO is open source, should we start working with infra to get a ci job in place? | 16:25 |
| DuncanT | avishay: CI takes time to set up... eharney is on the case for LIO | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | the duplication factor is somethign I still question but we can discuss offline | 16:25 |
| jungleboyj | avishay: If you are a RedHat user I believe you have to use LIO. Alienate a whole customer base. | 16:25 |
| avishay | anyway, that's all i have, hope to see CIs soon | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | thingee: that's what I was thinking | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | yes | 16:25 |
| thingee | hemna: that was more of a question, I'm unsure :P ... can't keep track | 16:25 |
| avishay | jungleboyj: yes | 16:25 |
| hemna | oh :) | 16:25 |
| jungleboyj | avishay: Nice. | 16:25 |
| avishay | RH7 has depracated tgt and the cinder package is preconfigured to use LIO | 16:25 |
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| jungleboyj | thingee: What was the decision? | 16:25 |
| thingee | #info this is the second time LIO has been proposed to be removed I think | 16:26 |
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| thingee | jungleboyj: I think I said they need CI's, but there was no follow up communication | 16:26 |
| avishay | there is also iet and scst, which i don't know what they are | 16:26 |
| eharney | i'm not too familiar on details from the first time | 16:26 |
| thingee | there needs to be ci's* | 16:26 |
| thingee | eharney: we had an angry bug about lio...and just setting things up in ubuntu. I'll leave it at that. | 16:26 |
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| eharney | uh, ok | 16:26 |
| avishay | bottom line, this fell through the cracks, it sucks, let's get CIs ASAP please :) | 16:27 |
| avishay | for nfs too please | 16:27 |
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| thingee | nfs and block device driver... | 16:27 |
| avishay | yes | 16:27 |
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| eharney | NFS and block device won't pass currently | 16:27 |
| thingee | unfortunately the block device driver as I understand won't pass tempest today | 16:27 |
| jordanP | nfs doesn't support snapshot, how could it pass the CI ? | 16:27 |
| thingee | ^ exactly | 16:27 |
| eharney | i and some others have been slowly poking at getting snapshots into the NFS driver | 16:27 |
| eharney | current blocking point is a bug in Nova that i'm not clear really has an owner | 16:28 |
| DuncanT | block device driver doesn't meet minimum features... it is one of the reasons we have so many ABCs | 16:28 |
| avishay | block device driver can probably pass some subset, no? | 16:28 |
| jordanP | eharney, which bug in nova ? | 16:28 |
| thingee | oh darn we should talk about abc's if we have time jgriffith | 16:28 |
| eharney | jordanP: looking | 16:28 |
| DuncanT | I'm tempted to say block device driver should just be pulled TBH | 16:28 |
| eharney | jordanP: https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1416132/ | 16:29 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1416132 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "_get_instance_disk_info fails to read files from NFS due to permissions" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Eric Harney (eharney) | 16:29 |
| thingee | DuncanT: I think that harms projects like sahara though? | 16:29 |
| eharney | the block device driver can't support snapshots, right? | 16:29 |
| avishay | eharney: no | 16:29 |
| eharney | oh, ok | 16:29 |
| winston-d | eharney: no | 16:29 |
| avishay | eharney: i guess it can 'dd', but that's pretty terrible | 16:29 |
| DuncanT | thingee: Not enough that anybody has stepped up to CI it... Infra will host it if somebody can get it even slightly close to working | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: I thought Mirantis was using BlockDeviceDriver for something. | 16:30 |
| DuncanT | eharney: Correct | 16:30 |
| winston-d | e0ne: are you guys still using it? Or Sahara guys? | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | Maybe that was Sahara. | 16:30 |
| thingee | smcginnis: yup! | 16:30 |
| SergeyLukjanov | hey folks | 16:30 |
| e0ne | winston-d: yes | 16:30 |
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| jordanP | eharney, "if processing a qcow2 backing file" -->>> work around for the CI would be to run nfs_use_qcow2 = False | 16:30 |
| e0ne | we're going to make CI for it | 16:30 |
| SergeyLukjanov | this driver is used by the bunch of sahara users | 16:30 |
| e0ne | SergeyLukjanov: comfirm, please about CI | 16:30 |
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| eharney | jordanP: that isn't sufficient because you still get qcow2 files if you use snapshots | 16:30 |
| SergeyLukjanov | it's the only way to make a performant storage for big data processing | 16:30 |
| SergeyLukjanov | e0ne, yeah, we're working on making CI for it | 16:31 |
| e0ne | SergeyLukjanov: great | 16:31 |
| jordanP | ok | 16:31 |
| DuncanT | SergeyLukjanov: Do you have a benchmark .v. local LVM? I can't get more than a few percent difference | 16:31 |
| SergeyLukjanov | our plan now is to add support for it into devstack | 16:31 |
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| winston-d | we have customers want to evaluate hadoop with cinder block device driver | 16:31 |
| e0ne | also, i'm a contact persom for this driver if you need some maintance or bugfixing or new features reauest | 16:31 |
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| thingee | SergeyLukjanov: by "we're" do you mean mirantis? And if so, is the contact information here https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ThirdPartySystems ? | 16:32 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | DuncanT, it's a recommendation from Hadoop community to use JBOD and not LVM | 16:33 |
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| thingee | eharney: what is the progress with snapshots with nfs? can we expect this for liberty? | 16:33 |
| thingee | and if so, can we begin having a non-voting job hosted by infra? | 16:33 |
| SergeyLukjanov | thingee, yup, we're now designing how it could be tested | 16:33 |
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| eharney | thingee: my understanding is that the majority of the Cinder work can merge once we get the above Nova bug fixed | 16:34 |
| eharney | thingee: but how that Nova issue gets fixed is not clear at the moment | 16:34 |
| DuncanT | SergeyLukjanov: Yeah, but are there any numbers to back it up? I tried to benchmark it and found basically no difference .v. LVM thick, and it is missing major features that complicate cinder somewhat | 16:34 |
| thingee | SergeyLukjanov: great and I'm assuming for my second question the contact is e0ne or someone else? | 16:34 |
| e0ne | :) | 16:34 |
| e0ne | thingee: i posted answer few minutes earlier | 16:34 |
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| thingee | eharney: that's right, I think the nova bug is linked with the bluepirnt | 16:34 |
| eharney | thingee: yes | 16:35 |
| thingee | great | 16:35 |
| thingee | avishay: there | 16:35 |
| avishay | thingee: yup | 16:35 |
| SergeyLukjanov | thingee, yes, e0ne will be contact for it | 16:35 |
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| thingee | SergeyLukjanov: thanks | 16:35 |
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| jordanP | eharney, we also need https://review.openstack.org/#/c/192736/ to get in I think | 16:35 |
| avishay | i know CI takes some time, but these drivers/targets fell through the cracks, and i think we should set some deadline for them too | 16:36 |
| SergeyLukjanov | DuncanT, hm, I have no numbers in mind, just everyone who using Hadoop is asking for directly mapped disks, not lvm | 16:36 |
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| eharney | jordanP: yes, and volume format tracking | 16:36 |
| thingee | #info nfs ci is blocked by not supporting CI which is blocked by a nova bug | 16:36 |
| avishay | i obviously don't want LIO removed since that's what we use for our internal tests, but i'd like to know that it works :) | 16:36 |
| eharney | thingee: and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/192736/ | 16:36 |
| thingee | #info block device is in progress by mirantis. e0ne is point of contact | 16:36 |
| e0ne | SergeyLukjanov, DuncanT: i believe, we can make some performance results for it | 16:36 |
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| DuncanT | e0ne: thanks | 16:37 |
| winston-d | e0ne: that will be great | 16:37 |
| thingee | #info nfs ci is also blocked by https://review.openstack.org/#/c/192736/ | 16:37 |
| e0ne | note: i didn't promice anything :) | 16:37 |
| thingee | eharney: I will make a point to talk to johnthetubaguy about it. | 16:37 |
| e0ne | but i'll try to do it... | 16:37 |
| thingee | he reached out to me recently on syncing on some issues between nova and cinder | 16:37 |
| winston-d | e0ne: we believe what you believe | 16:37 |
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| thingee | avishay: anything else? | 16:38 |
| e0ne | winston-d: :) | 16:38 |
| avishay | thingee: nope, thanks for the stage :) | 16:38 |
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| thingee | #topic volume migration | 16:38 |
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| thingee | jungleboyj: hi | 16:38 |
| thingee | #info current spec in review | 16:38 |
| thingee | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186327/ | 16:38 |
| thingee | so I'm just about fine with this. I did think it was weird the only way to get progress on a migration is through ceilometer | 16:39 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: Oh, I didn't know I was on the hook for this. | 16:39 |
| thingee | the only way around this is to store the progress in the db and have an api call to get it. | 16:39 |
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| jungleboyj | I was just looking at that review. | 16:39 |
| thingee | jungleboyj: sorry vincent isn't around | 16:39 |
| jungleboyj | thingee: No problem. | 16:39 |
| jungleboyj | Yeah, I agree we should be able to get the status from in Cinder. | 16:40 |
| thingee | does anyone have thoughts, opinions with the migration progress being stored and accessible via api | 16:40 |
| erlon | thingee: having an api for that is not an option? | 16:40 |
| jungleboyj | Are you ok with tracking the progress in the DB? | 16:40 |
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| thingee | erlon: that's was my suggestion earlier. vincent just added that in the updated patch of the spec | 16:40 |
| avishay | i think the overall spec is very good. i reviewed it a while ago and it may have changed slightly since, but it's definitely in the right direction. | 16:40 |
| erlon | thingee: ok | 16:41 |
| thingee | jungleboyj: I'm fine, i wanted other people to raise concerns | 16:41 |
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| erlon | im setting up an environment with all backends I can to test vicent's patches, my idea is start with LVM, HNAS NFS HNAS iSCSI, HUS VM, HUS110 | 16:41 |
| avishay | i'm not crazy about a progress bar in the DB because it's not persistent. | 16:42 |
| thingee | here's the diff between the changes when I raised some comments in the spec that introduces additional documentation for driver maintainers on how to develop this and getting migration status from the db https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186327/25..25/specs/liberty/volume-migration-improvement.rst,cm | 16:42 |
| erlon | then have a matrix of what works and problems of BE integration | 16:42 |
| DuncanT | The two risks with progress in the db are stale data and too many updates | 16:42 |
| avishay | DuncanT: +1 | 16:42 |
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| erlon | any suggestion of tests? or other scenarios?? | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | We currently don't do "progress" updates for anything else, do we need to for this? | 16:43 |
| avishay | maybe cinder-volume can periodically notify cinder-scheduler via RPC | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | If so, it could be "later" work, and def shouldn't be Ceilo dep IMHO | 16:43 |
| avishay | or even better | 16:43 |
| thingee | DuncanT: yeah think of cases where we have a mass migration happening because we need to switch from one pool to another. That would be a lot of updates happening. This won't be an everyday then, but still something to consider. | 16:43 |
| avishay | if the API is called, just ask cinder-volume what the progress is right now | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | avishay: +1 | 16:43 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: I'd love to add progress to backups - I'd probably do it via an RPC to the backup service though, so the info is fresh | 16:43 |
| thingee | jgriffith: +1 | 16:43 |
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| DuncanT | avishay: +1 | 16:44 |
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| e0ne | DuncanT: +1 | 16:44 |
| thingee | avishay: +1 | 16:44 |
| thingee | avishay: can you raise a comment with that suggestion? | 16:44 |
| avishay | thingee: sure | 16:44 |
| thingee | excellent | 16:44 |
| thingee | So assuming vincent has that updated, would people be fine with me approving this spec this week? | 16:44 |
| smcginnis | thingee: +1 | 16:45 |
| thingee | assuming no one raises blocking concerns | 16:45 |
| erlon | thingee: + | 16:45 |
| erlon | 1 | 16:45 |
| thingee | and by this week I mean friday. gives you time to read things now | 16:45 |
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| jungleboyj | Having more progress info in Cinder would be great. | 16:45 |
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| jungleboyj | thingee: +1 | 16:46 |
| xyang2 | thingee: +1 | 16:46 |
| thingee | #idea have progress for volume migration come from api -> c-vol | 16:46 |
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| winston-d | thingee: aren't you guys in holiday this friday? | 16:46 |
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| thingee | winston-d: I never rest | 16:46 |
| DuncanT | jungleboyj: What are the (potentially) slow operations? Backup, image stuff, migration. Maybe snap if you're rackspace? | 16:46 |
| smcginnis | thingee: :) | 16:46 |
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| winston-d | thingee: you just play | 16:46 |
| winston-d | :) | 16:46 |
| thingee | #agreed spec will be approved this friday assuming no blocking concerns and vincent updates spec with idea for progress update | 16:47 |
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| thingee | jungleboyj: thanks! | 16:47 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: ++ | 16:47 |
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| jungleboyj | thingee: Thank you! | 16:47 |
| thingee | #topic HA | 16:47 |
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| thingee | geguileo: hi | 16:47 |
| geguileo | thingee: Hi | 16:47 |
| geguileo | Liberty is advancing and I believe right now most HA efforts are waiting on Cinder-nova interactions. | 16:47 |
| thingee | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/CinderNovaAPI | 16:47 |
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| geguileo | We know there's a lot of problems in Nova-Cinder interaction | 16:48 |
| geguileo | As can be seen in that list | 16:48 |
| dulek | You mean c-vol A/A probably. | 16:48 |
| DuncanT | geguileo: The atomic state change in API is a breaking API from client PoV :-( | 16:48 |
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| thingee | geguileo: I dropped a bunch of work on winston-d to work on the error handling with cinder client. have an update winston-d ? | 16:48 |
| thingee | geguileo: the last time we talked about this we said we address that first. | 16:48 |
| geguileo | thingee: Yes | 16:48 |
| geguileo | thingee: But in that list I see a lot of things that should not be blocking HA work | 16:49 |
| hemna | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/CinderNovaAPI | 16:49 |
| geguileo | As I understand there are some interactions that need fixing | 16:49 |
| geguileo | For HA work to be able to start | 16:49 |
| hemna | fwiw, that etherpad has a ton of issues called out between nova -> cinder. | 16:49 |
| geguileo | And others that are generic | 16:49 |
| winston-d | thingee: sorry, not much progress so far, busy separating the company. | 16:49 |
| geguileo | hemna: Are they all limiting Cinder to move to atomic state changes? | 16:49 |
| hemna | geguileo, this is just a note taking etherpad that calls out all of the issues, and outstanding bugs | 16:50 |
| hemna | lots of them | 16:50 |
| DuncanT | geguileo: See above. atomic state change requires an API contract change with our clients, not just nova | 16:50 |
| geguileo | I see the list is big and getting bigger, so | 16:50 |
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| hemna | I also called out some live migration problems in that etherpad as well. it's not good. | 16:51 |
| geguileo | DuncanT: Really? r:?? | 16:51 |
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| geguileo | DuncanT: But even if we need to update cinderclient that should be fairly easy | 16:51 |
| dulek | DuncanT: Any workaround? | 16:51 |
| DuncanT | geguileo: We accept certain combinations of commands right now and effectively queue them up on the lock in the volume manager. If we go with atomic state changes, that no longer works | 16:51 |
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| dulek | geguileo: DuncanT meant clients like client scripts. | 16:52 |
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| hemna | this is a good topic for the meetup :) | 16:52 |
| dulek | As first version of c-vol A/A we can go with Tooz locks for that. | 16:52 |
| DuncanT | geguileo: We can't just change cinder-client behaviour - and python-cinderclient is not the only client out there | 16:52 |
| jungleboyj | hemna ++ | 16:52 |
| thingee | 8 minute warning | 16:52 |
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| DuncanT | dulek: I can't figure out safe lock expiration in tooz | 16:52 |
| hemna | this first stage in fixing the local volume locks was to put 'ing' checks in the API and then report VolumeIsBusy, and Nova has to cope with that. | 16:53 |
| dulek | DuncanT: Hm? Locks get dropped when service dies. | 16:53 |
| geguileo | DuncanT: There's heartbeats to keep locks | 16:53 |
| DuncanT | dulek: Which leaves crap lying round... not good | 16:53 |
| hemna | so I thought someone was going to look at the Nova side to expect the volume is busy exception and cope with that as step 1. | 16:53 |
| geguileo | No heartbeats, they die | 16:53 |
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| hemna | I think that's a good idea regardless. | 16:53 |
| dulek | DuncanT: Why do you think that? What kind of "crap"? | 16:53 |
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| DuncanT | dulek: Have cloned volumes... half done snapshots.... | 16:53 |
| geguileo | Taskflow could revert those operations | 16:54 |
| hemna | taskflow...caugh..caugh | 16:54 |
| dulek | DuncanT: With service I've meant Cinder services. We have such situations already. | 16:54 |
| thingee | hemna: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186742/ | 16:54 |
| DuncanT | geguileo: Only with persistence and really good coding | 16:54 |
| winston-d | hemna: problem is, currently cinder doesn't raise VolumeIsBusy, right? Not until the lock-free change gets in? | 16:54 |
| dulek | DuncanT: right. | 16:54 |
| hemna | winston-d, it's a catch 22 | 16:54 |
| DuncanT | winston-d: Cinder can't raise it until the client handles it | 16:55 |
| geguileo | DuncanT: With bad coding we would go nowhere anyway | 16:55 |
| hemna | winston-d, we can't put it in Cinder until Nova handles it, or CI will puke | 16:55 |
| e0ne | DuncanT: +1 about taskflow | 16:55 |
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| DuncanT | geguileo: We've got a long way with some very bad code.... | 16:55 |
| hemna | taskflow -1 for me | 16:55 |
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| hemna | we haven't decided as a team if we are sticking with it yet or not. | 16:55 |
| geguileo | Ok, so we basically are saying that we can forget about HA? | 16:55 |
| dulek | Okay, lets get back to using tooz. What's wrong with that besides of some performance issues? | 16:55 |
| e0ne | aarefiev is hitting on performance emprovements for persistnace taskflow | 16:55 |
| geguileo | Or wait for API v4? | 16:55 |
| hemna | geguileo, no. | 16:55 |
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| jgriffith | dulek: it's zookeeper :) | 16:56 |
| winston-d | hemna: ok. thx for clarification. i can move on my change on my 'fixbug1458958' nova branch now. | 16:56 |
| DuncanT | The persistence we need seems to be at a more course granularity than tasks... | 16:56 |
| dulek | If c-vol dies - we have half-done snapshots | 16:56 |
| geguileo | hemna: Good to know | 16:56 |
| hemna | geguileo, we have to get Nova to expect VolumeIsBusy exceptions. | 16:56 |
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| jgriffith | dulek: and the perf is a pretty big issue IMO | 16:56 |
| avishay | i think the current locks can be removed if we garbage collect volumes offline rather than delete them immediately | 16:56 |
| e0ne | he will be able to show some code/reports this week or next one | 16:56 |
| geguileo | hemna: Ok, only that? | 16:56 |
| dulek | If tooz backend service dies - node should get fenced by Pacemaker. | 16:56 |
| greghaynes | toox isnt necessarially zk | 16:56 |
| greghaynes | er, tooz | 16:56 |
| hemna | geguileo, after that, then we put 'ing' checks in the cinder API, and report VolumeIsBusy. | 16:56 |
| winston-d | hemna: i'm on it - fixing nova to expect volumeisbusy | 16:56 |
| hemna | then we can remove all but 1 of the locks in the volume manager. | 16:56 |
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| geguileo | hemna: Ok, so the Nova support for VolumeIsBusy | 16:57 |
| dulek | jgriffith: ZooKeeper is one of the options. Ceilometer relies on Redis as default backend - they say it's reliable. | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | greghaynes: fair, but it's the version that "works" and is most deployed IIUC | 16:57 |
| geguileo | hemna: Are there patches for that already submitted? | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | dulek: they're problem space is different, but that's fair | 16:57 |
| dulek | jgriffith: And performance will be probably better compared to running single c-vol | 16:57 |
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| hemna | we still have to deal w/ the lock in taskflow though | 16:57 |
| winston-d | geguileo: not yet | 16:57 |
| dulek | hemna: lock in taskflow? | 16:57 |
| avishay | we need distributed locks for 1 lock in the code? | 16:57 |
| hemna | that will be the last one, as far as the volume manager is concerned | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | dulek: so what's the real advantage/reason for running multiple c-vol services? | 16:57 |
| hemna | dulek, yes | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | dulek: I'm not certain I think it's that great | 16:58 |
| greghaynes | yes, and thats because zk is the only system that is known to really 'work' for that problem - if you want those guarantees youll need to use that system reguardless of tooz, or if you dont need them then you can use something lighter weight | 16:58 |
| smcginnis | 2 minutes | 16:58 |
| geguileo | winston-d: So the 3 patches that are submitted don't fix our problems for HA? | 16:58 |
| hemna | dulek, I'll find it. it's not as easy to remove.... | 16:58 |
| dulek | jgriffith: A/A HA and scaling probably. | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | dulek: I've also thought we'd be MUCH better off using something like containers with mesos or something else | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | dulek: disagree | 16:58 |
| geguileo | Force iSCSI disconnect after timeout: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/167815/ | 16:58 |
| geguileo | Rollback if attach_volume timesout: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138664/ | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | dulek: on both counts | 16:58 |
| geguileo | Detach and terminate conn if Cinder attach fails: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186742/ | 16:58 |
| geguileo | winston-d: ^ | 16:58 |
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| jgriffith | dulek: c-vol is nothing but an API interface | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | dulek: if it dies just respawn it | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | dulek: and A/A configuration is sort of... mmm... well weird | 16:59 |
| dulek | hemna: Point it to me please, I've became an expert on these flows in last weeks. ;) | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | dulek: when pointing to the same backend device | 16:59 |
| winston-d | geguileo: no, i have on wip patch for nova. | 16:59 |
| hemna | dulek, I'm looking.. | 16:59 |
| jordanP | jgriffith, the "name" (the host) of the service is "coded" in every volume | 16:59 |
| avishay | distributed locks are fixing the solution with a bulldozer. i'm sure we could figure out how to avoid the lock entirely. | 16:59 |
| thingee | geguileo, winston-d lets talk in the #openstack-cinder room after the meeting | 16:59 |
| jordanP | jgriffith, so you can't respawn it everywhere | 16:59 |
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| jgriffith | jordanP: sure you can | 16:59 |
| geguileo | thingee: Ok, good idea | 16:59 |
| dulek | jgriffith: Hm... So DuncanT was tasked with making it A/A in the first place. What were the motivations? | 16:59 |
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| jordanP | jgriffith, we need to tweak the "host' config flag then | 17:00 |
| thingee | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
| winston-d | jordanP: yeah, you can fake the 'hostname'. ;) | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 1 17:00:03 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-07-01-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-07-01-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | jordanP: and it's A LOT easier to change the host encoding in the DB than to go crazy with somethign like Tooz etc IMHO | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-07-01-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
| thingee | continue in #openstack-cinder! | 17:00 |
| jordanP | jgriffith, agrred | 17:00 |
| geguileo | thingee: +1 | 17:00 |
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| jgriffith | jordanP: and you could easily maintain the same host on respawn | 17:00 |
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| jgriffith | jordanP: whether it be via a proxy or some other method | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | jordanP: hell.. just do a DNS entry :) | 17:00 |
| hemna | dulek, hrmm can't find it at the moment....it was related to snapshots I believe. trying to remember. | 17:01 |
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| jordanP | jgriffith, I agree. There"s other way to achieve HA | 17:01 |
| DuncanT | dulek: Reliability was my main concern. Scalability maybe but unless you do lots of image stuff c-vol is pretty lightly loaded on most backends | 17:01 |
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| jgriffith | jordanP: dulek DuncanT I'd still be REALLY interested in a good write up of the problem that you want solved and real world use cases of those problems being solved | 17:01 |
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| DuncanT | jgriffith: I thought about suggesting to use backend-name as the RPC queue rather than the hostname, to avoid some issues... not sure if it currently has to be unique though? | 17:02 |
| jgriffith | just saying "I want H/A" isn't enough for me any more. The more I've thought about this, the less interesting it's become for me | 17:02 |
| hemna | jgriffith, I'd simply like to see c-vol running on multiple nodes that service the same driver name/backend. | 17:02 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: Sure | 17:02 |
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| hemna | so if one of the machines dies, the other is there. | 17:02 |
| jgriffith | hemna: ok, but "why" | 17:02 |
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| hemna | um...I just explained it ? | 17:02 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: Because otherwise I have to use pacemaker, which sucks, or get paged at 4am | 17:02 |
| jgriffith | hemna: sorry, I didn't see it | 17:02 |
| hemna | enterprise level customers don't want a single point of failure. | 17:02 |
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| hemna | anyway, the local file locks in the volume manager makes that setup unreliable | 17:03 |
| jgriffith | wait... so c-vol vs c-sch/control services are diff problems is what I'm saying | 17:03 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: Even with pacemaker or similar, failure detection and restart is quite slow | 17:03 |
| hemna | jgriffith, yah | 17:03 |
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| avishay | jgriffith: i want zero admin intervention - if c-vol goes down in the middle of some operations, those operations should continue elsewhere automatically (or at least allow the user to retry easily) | 17:03 |
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| jgriffith | hemna: I don't understand what that has to do with "I want multiple c-vol's talking to my backend" | 17:04 |
| hemna | ....beating... | 17:04 |
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| jgriffith | avishay: have you ever had c-vol go down during an operation? | 17:04 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: If no c-vols are talking to my backend, I can't attach the volumes from it | 17:04 |
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| DuncanT | jgriffith: Had it happen last night | 17:04 |
| avishay | jgriffith: yes of course, and sched, and api | 17:04 |
| jgriffith | avishay: and not soemthign like "Joe unplugged the network cable accidentall" | 17:04 |
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| avishay | jgriffith: and also rpc | 17:05 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: really? | 17:05 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: you just randomly have servers catch fire and die? | 17:05 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: that sucks | 17:05 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: Nope, networking issue | 17:05 |
| avishay | jgriffith: as someone who went from the storage vendor side to the deployer side - it's really worse than i thought :) | 17:05 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: It came back after a kick, but it definitely went down for a bit | 17:05 |
| jgriffith | Ahh... so would they be prevented by having another c-vol service running on the same net? | 17:05 |
| dulek | jgriffith: I guess it depeneds on number of servers. In big setups you get a failure a week. | 17:05 |
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| dulek | jgriffith: Possibly if requests are scattered between them. | 17:06 |
| jgriffith | dulek: but my point is you're talking 1 c-vol service that is merely a proxy | 17:06 |
| dulek | jgriffith: Less probability. | 17:06 |
| jgriffith | it's nothing | 17:06 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: Yes, since it was a port down not a whole network. You can engineer network resilient to many failure modes, it is well undertood | 17:06 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT: agreed | 17:06 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: It is a stateful proxy... if it goes down you can't attach your volumes. You need a way of it staying up, even if one node happens to go down | 17:07 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT: dulek avishay What I'm getting at is I'd much prefer something light weight for a nominal corner case like c-vol service redundancy | 17:07 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT: DuncanT avishay dulek Controller and such is a different story | 17:07 |
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| DuncanT | jgriffith: I don't think it is a corner case | 17:07 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: ok | 17:08 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: It is a single point of failure that *has* failed for us | 17:08 |
| jgriffith | let's move to #cinder | 17:08 |
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| dulek | jgriffith: So I would say that we may engineer it in a way - work like always, switch flag and have A/A | 17:08 |
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| stevebaker | #startmeeting heat | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 1 20:00:13 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is stevebaker. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 20:00 |
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| stevebaker | #topic rollcall | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:00 | |
| pas-ha | morning o/ | 20:00 |
| tspatzier | hi | 20:01 |
| skraynev_ | morning everybody :) | 20:01 |
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| stevebaker | zaneb, shardy_, ping? | 20:02 |
| zaneb | ohai | 20:02 |
| stevebaker | #topic Adding items to the agenda | 20:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Adding items to the agenda (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:02 | |
| stevebaker | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282015-07-01_2000_UTC.29 | 20:02 |
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| shardy_ | o/ | 20:03 |
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| ryansb | \o | 20:03 |
| pas-ha | would like to talk about Fn:Split alternatives | 20:03 |
| stevebaker | shardy_: should we talk about resource mapping bp later if we have time? | 20:03 |
| shardy_ | stevebaker: sure, sounds good | 20:04 |
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| pas-ha | fn::select that is | 20:04 |
| shardy_ | pas-ha: didn't I just implement that? :P | 20:04 |
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| shardy_ | pas-ha: path based attributes are supposed to to the same | 20:05 |
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| pas-ha | not everywhere, let's discuss it further | 20:05 |
| shardy_ | e.g select by key or index | 20:05 |
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| shardy_ | Ok cool, lets add it :) | 20:06 |
| randallburt | late again, sorry | 20:06 |
| stevebaker | ok, lets kick off | 20:06 |
| stevebaker | #topic heat reviews https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-reviews | 20:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "heat reviews https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-reviews (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:06 | |
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| skraynev_ | some of convergance's patches are werged | 20:07 |
| skraynev_ | *merged | 20:07 |
| stevebaker | zaneb: there was discussion last week that it shouldn't be possible to abandon unless the stack is in EXPORT_COMPLETE state, but there would be a --force option to override that | 20:08 |
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| zaneb | why? | 20:08 |
| stevebaker | why what? | 20:08 |
| prazumovsky | hi! | 20:09 |
| zaneb | why would there be a --force option? | 20:09 |
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| stevebaker | do you mean why not insiste on EXPORT_COMPLETE in all cases? | 20:09 |
| zaneb | yes | 20:09 |
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| shardy_ | bug #1353670 | 20:10 |
| openstack | bug 1353670 in heat "Stack Abandon is unsafe" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1353670 - Assigned to Kanagaraj Manickam (kanagaraj-manickam) | 20:10 |
| zaneb | for when you want to abandon and just throw away the data? | 20:10 |
| stevebaker | resources stuck in ERROR states, stacks wedged in IN_PROGRESS | 20:11 |
| zaneb | any reason those couldn't be exported? | 20:11 |
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| randallburt | or you don't care about the data (you're taking over management of the stack for example and not importing somewhere) | 20:11 |
| zaneb | randallburt: requiring you to export first hardly seems like an onerous requirement, even in that case though | 20:12 |
| randallburt | to you and me maybe. someone thought it was valuable and I can't see a reason not to provide it. | 20:12 |
| randallburt | we could add a step to heatclient that says "Are you sure?" just to cover our bases | 20:13 |
| stevebaker | requiring export is one thing, but allowing a stack in any *_* state to be forced into an EXPORT_COMPLETE state just so an abandon may or may not be performed doesn't seem right | 20:13 |
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| zaneb | so, I don't know where EXPORT came from in that discussion | 20:14 |
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| zaneb | what I suggested was that we keep an abandon command and that it move the stack to the ABANDON_COMPLETE state | 20:14 |
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| zaneb | whence it could be deleted | 20:14 |
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| shardy_ | +1 | 20:15 |
| zaneb | but then the waters were muddied in the bug discussion for reasons I never understood | 20:15 |
| stevebaker | ok, it sounds like we should be reviewing https://review.openstack.org/#/c/181880/ more | 20:15 |
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| zaneb | yeah, so he is doing export then abandon | 20:16 |
| zaneb | which is weird | 20:16 |
| zaneb | it should be export then delete | 20:16 |
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| zaneb | or export should just export data and not have a state associated with it | 20:17 |
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| zaneb | one or the other | 20:17 |
| zaneb | not both | 20:17 |
| randallburt | assuming the delete after export doesn't actually delete any resources (I assume with changing the policy) | 20:17 |
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| stevebaker | it could be partly semantics, in that change abandon does the delete, and export is what you're calling abandon | 20:17 |
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| zaneb | randallburt: right, the idea is that delete would not remove resources when the stack is in ABANDON_COMPLETE state | 20:17 |
| zaneb | (physical resources) | 20:18 |
| pas-ha | should export then change some internal stack attr so that when it is deleted via normal delete actual resource are not? | 20:18 |
| pas-ha | ok | 20:18 |
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| pas-ha | but then the idea of export+abandon seems clearer to me | 20:18 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: it's all semantics, but the current patch appears to implement two conflicting sets of semantics | 20:18 |
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| shardy_ | pas-ha: just check the resource state, if it's abandoned, do nothing | 20:19 |
| pas-ha | as in "delete for this state does one, for another state does another" is not really clear. why not just call "the other delete" abandon? :) | 20:19 |
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| zaneb | tbh I'd like to see abandon/adopt killed and redesigned natively for convergence | 20:20 |
| shardy_ | ++ it's never actually worked in the current implementation anyway | 20:21 |
| zaneb | maybe using asalkeld's external resources proposal instead | 20:21 |
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| stevebaker | so on to convergence changes | 20:23 |
| stevebaker | the reviewer pool is still quite shallow | 20:23 |
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| stevebaker | other than encouraging more core reviews I'm not sure what else can be done. | 20:25 |
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| shardy_ | Are the specs raised by zaneb still accurate? I kinda lost track of some of this work thus have been wary to review it | 20:25 |
| zaneb | if there's been a major divergence, it hasn't been discussed on the ML or with me | 20:26 |
| stevebaker | I think we're towards the end of that spec tree | 20:26 |
| zaneb | (it may have been discussed in reviews, I haven't looked at most of them) | 20:26 |
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| zaneb | stevebaker: did I raise a spec for porting the tests from the simulator? | 20:26 |
| zaneb | seems like we're getting close to the point where those would be super useful | 20:27 |
| stevebaker | yeah | 20:27 |
| stevebaker | I can't remember | 20:27 |
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| stevebaker | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/convergence-simulator-tests | 20:27 |
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| * zaneb pats self on back | 20:29 | |
| zaneb | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/heat-specs/specs/kilo/convergence-simulator-tests.html | 20:29 |
| therve | The question is whether anyone but you can implement it | 20:29 |
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| stevebaker | speaking of specs, we have lots in review | 20:30 |
| zaneb | lol | 20:30 |
| stevebaker | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/heat-specs,n,z | 20:30 |
| zaneb | therve: it's not a small job, but it honestly shouldn't be that hard | 20:31 |
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| stevebaker | #topic High priority bugs http://bit.ly/1FnhaIK | 20:31 |
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| stevebaker | https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1467965 | 20:31 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1467965 in heat "test_db_encrypt_decrypt UnicodeDecodeError: 'utf8' codec can't decode " [Critical,Confirmed] - Assigned to Angus Salkeld (asalkeld) | 20:31 |
| stevebaker | asalkeld merged a fix for ^ but apparently it is still happening | 20:32 |
| therve | stevebaker, What should we do with spec like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187447/ | 20:32 |
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| stevebaker | it happens on the test for decoding an invalid password, which randomly explodes | 20:32 |
| therve | That test is ridiculous though | 20:33 |
| therve | I have a patch that changes it | 20:33 |
| therve | (Fernet doesn't support reloading stuff encrypted with a different key) | 20:33 |
| stevebaker | maybe deleting the test would be best. if they're using the wrong password then UnicodeDecodeErrors are the least of their problems | 20:34 |
| therve | Well it's only part of the test | 20:35 |
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| stevebaker | therve: have you looked into whether there is a Fernet codec which is completely compatible with our current oslo crypt one? | 20:36 |
| therve | stevebaker, I haven't, no | 20:36 |
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| stevebaker | that would avoid encryption migration pain if it is possible | 20:37 |
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| ryansb | stevebaker: I'd think that we could surface a better error than UnicodeDecode | 20:37 |
| therve | I'd be surprised if that was the case | 20:37 |
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| stevebaker | ryansb: I'm sure we could | 20:38 |
| stevebaker | #topic new SessionClient (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/163484/) and old servers | 20:39 |
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| shprotby | stevebaker, you had a question | 20:39 |
| shardy_ | therve: 187447 is comically lacking in any actual analysis or content | 20:39 |
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| shprotby | about compatibility old seevers and new SessionClient | 20:39 |
| therve | shardy_, Right. We shouldn't have spec like that. If we consider the change okay with one, let's delete that. | 20:40 |
| shprotby | *servers | 20:40 |
| shprotby | so, I can answer all your questions about it | 20:40 |
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| stevebaker | shprotby: so a heat server configured for password based deferred auth, or a standalone heat | 20:42 |
| stevebaker | shprotby: will these sessionclient changes affect that, because heatclient has strong backwards compatibility requirements | 20:43 |
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| shardy_ | is this about keystoneclient sessions? | 20:45 |
| shprotby | hm... New sessionclient just don't use any credentials, but logic us the same with old sessionclient | 20:45 |
| shardy_ | because they aren't coupled to the underlying API versions afaik | 20:45 |
| shardy_ | it's just a totally different model for the client side code | 20:46 |
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| stevebaker | shardy_: could you take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/163484/ ? | 20:47 |
| stevebaker | #topic Fn::Select alternatives | 20:47 |
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| shardy_ | stevebaker: sure, will do (probably not till tomorrow tho..) | 20:47 |
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| stevebaker | pas-ha: go | 20:47 |
| stevebaker | I think we talked about this last week | 20:48 |
| pas-ha | so, the idea is that we have some functions that returned lists or maps, (like "outputs[_list]" of the asg) | 20:49 |
| pas-ha | how shoudl one access a single element then? | 20:49 |
| * pas-ha wasn't there last time, sorry of repeating questions | 20:49 | |
| tspatzier | pas-ha: there is path based selection parameters for get_attr | 20:49 |
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| stevebaker | and my position was that we don't need an alternative to Fn::Select, because all complex data structures are either attributes or parameters, so deep selection is handled by extended get_param and get_attr | 20:49 |
| tspatzier | the same for get_param | 20:49 |
| pas-ha | you mean resourse.0 | 20:49 |
| randallburt | get_attr: [ resource, attribute, 0, foo, bar, 2 ] like that | 20:50 |
| pas-ha | I also just realized that simple yaql thing asalkeld is trying out might solve this as well :) | 20:50 |
| shardy_ | we probably need better docs on this.. | 20:50 |
| stevebaker | yaql thing https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196984/ | 20:50 |
| stevebaker | btw the template guide is the new hot guide | 20:51 |
| shardy_ | but yeah, the idea is get_attr/get_param already support getting items by index (list) or key (map) | 20:51 |
| stevebaker | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/heat/template_guide/ | 20:51 |
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| stevebaker | which is the old hot guide ;) | 20:51 |
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| shardy_ | stevebaker: why does the hot_guide keep moving? | 20:51 |
| shardy_ | every time I link to it it ** breaks! ;) | 20:51 |
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| pas-ha | count my question solved for now | 20:52 |
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| stevebaker | shardy_: it moved into centralised docs but the old one was never deleted, then it moved back because big tent | 20:52 |
| shardy_ | e.g the one covering composition and software config that was in the user guide | 20:52 |
| stevebaker | shardy_: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/heat/template_guide/software_deployment.html | 20:52 |
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| shardy_ | stevebaker: Ok, cool thanks | 20:53 |
| * shardy_ shakes fist at big tent | 20:53 | |
| stevebaker | also http://docs.openstack.org/developer/heat/template_guide/composition.html | 20:53 |
| therve | stevebaker, Broken link right in there | 20:54 |
| stevebaker | we might get more heat developers writing doc content now that it is in tree, especially if we -1 changes which lack docs ;) | 20:54 |
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| stevebaker | therve: we probably need to port the hotref handler into our sphinx config | 20:55 |
| therve | :/ | 20:55 |
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| shardy_ | stevebaker: +1 to having it in tree, but it's a shame the user-facing links have moved around so much (e.g that in the user guide is currently broken) | 20:55 |
| stevebaker | or just change the link format, since it is an internal link now | 20:55 |
| stevebaker | yeah, a redirection would have been polite | 20:56 |
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| stevebaker | 4 mintues | 20:56 |
| stevebaker | plenty of time for | 20:56 |
| stevebaker | #topic resource interfaces | 20:56 |
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| stevebaker | haha | 20:56 |
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| shardy_ | Oh man, shall we tackle this when we have more than 3 minutes? | 20:57 |
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| stevebaker | absolutely | 20:57 |
| shardy_ | http://docs.openstack.org/user-guide/hot.html | 20:57 |
| stevebaker | https://review.openstack.org/196656 | 20:58 |
| shardy_ | that sucks ^^ fwiw | 20:58 |
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| stevebaker | why? | 20:58 |
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| shardy_ | stevebaker: because hot guide is a link back to itself, not the actual guide | 20:59 |
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| shardy_ | e.g where all the super-useful info is :) | 20:59 |
| stevebaker | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
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| notmyname | . | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 1 21:00:10 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-07-01-20.00.html | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-07-01-20.00.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-07-01-20.00.log.html | 21:00 |
| stevebaker | thanks all! | 21:00 |
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| notmyname | stevebaker: thanks! | 21:00 |
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| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
| notmyname | hello, everyone. welcome to the swift team meeting | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jul 1 21:00:53 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
| notmyname | who's here? | 21:00 |
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| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:01 |
| peluse | ugh | 21:01 |
| minwoob_ | o/ | 21:01 |
| cschwede | o/ | 21:01 |
| jrichli | hello | 21:01 |
| cutforth | o/ | 21:01 |
| kota_ | o/ | 21:01 |
| ho | o/ | 21:01 |
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| torgomatic | who's on first | 21:01 |
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| dmorita | o/ | 21:01 |
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| notmyname | torgomatic: right | 21:01 |
| acoles | \o | 21:01 |
| redbo | ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 21:01 |
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| hurricanerix | o/ | 21:01 |
| notmyname | thanks for coming | 21:02 |
| notmyname | let's get started | 21:02 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:02 |
| notmyname | #topic hackathon | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "hackathon (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:02 | |
| notmyname | #link https://www.eventbrite.com/e/swift-hackathon-tickets-17308818141 | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | a reminder that the hackathon is coming up in august | 21:02 |
| notmyname | looks like all the tickets have been taken | 21:02 |
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| ho | great! | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | please let me know if there are other people we need to talk to | 21:03 |
| notmyname | I'm working with jrichli on the space we have and who's signed up | 21:03 |
| notmyname | any questions about the hackathon? | 21:03 |
| minwoob_ | Can't wait! | 21:03 |
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| minwoob_ | :) | 21:03 |
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| peluse | did anyone else have to pay for their hackathon ticket? :) | 21:03 |
| notmyname | the hotel room block info is on the invite | 21:03 |
| notmyname | peluse: that was just for you ;-) | 21:03 |
| * peluse is such a sucker | 21:03 | |
| mattoliverau | lol | 21:04 |
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| hurricanerix | notmyname: is there a etherpad for the agenda? | 21:04 |
| notmyname | hurricanerix: no, not yet. normally we use a flip chart on the first day ;-) | 21:04 |
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| notmyname | or whiteboard | 21:04 |
| notmyname | hurricanerix: if you want to write some stuff down, I think that would be great | 21:05 |
| jrichli | oh, we are gonna need one of those? ;-) | 21:05 |
| notmyname | I'm not too worried about a schedule yet | 21:05 |
| hurricanerix | notmyname: ok, i was just curious to see what everyone else was interested in ahead of time. =) | 21:05 |
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| notmyname | hurricanerix: you know, swift stuff | 21:05 |
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| timburke | and swift *client* stuff! | 21:06 |
| notmyname | that counts too! | 21:06 |
| joeljwright | :) | 21:06 |
| timburke | suuure it does... | 21:06 |
| notmyname | hurricanerix: if you start one, let's link to it and we'll write stuff down there | 21:06 |
| notmyname | if there are any questions that come up, or that people ask you, please let me know if I can help | 21:06 |
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| notmyname | ok, next up.. | 21:07 |
| notmyname | #topic swiftclient issues | 21:07 |
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| notmyname | this one I think has just been resolved, but I want to talk about what happened and what didn't happen | 21:07 |
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| notmyname | if you look on this dashboard: http://goo.gl/qHus5v | 21:08 |
| notmyname | you'll see that there are a lot of patches that are ready to land for swiftclient that haven't landed | 21:08 |
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| notmyname | 6 | 21:08 |
| notmyname | I'll get to the reason in just a bit | 21:08 |
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| notmyname | we've been in this state for over a week, and that's not good | 21:09 |
| notmyname | timburke has done a great job and finding and fixing the gate issue that's blocking all of them | 21:09 |
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| notmyname | but I'd rather not see it take a week or more before someone looks into it. we can do better | 21:10 |
| notmyname | so here's what happened: | 21:10 |
| notmyname | global-requirements updated some dependencies to include a ";python==<version>" after the version classifier for dependencies | 21:10 |
| notmyname | and that new format isn't parseable by pbr<1.2 | 21:11 |
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| notmyname | however, because of the way dependencies are installed in the gate, by the time we had the opportunity to say we wanted to install pbr>=1.2, we had to parse the requirements file, which had the weire semicolon stuff in it | 21:11 |
| notmyname | so it broke | 21:11 |
| notmyname | the fix is a patch that timburke jsut submitted to update the version of hacking in our requirements file. the older version of hacking had pbr<1.0. so it didn't work | 21:12 |
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| notmyname | so far we're lucky we haven't hit it in swift yet, but we need to do the same patch there too | 21:12 |
| redbo | All this pain has been worth it for whatever it is that pbr does. | 21:12 |
| joeljwright | timburke: good catch! | 21:12 |
| notmyname | redbo: oh, I'm sure someone somewhere is getting pbr to make them breakfast every morning ;-) | 21:13 |
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| notmyname | so, yes it's really annoying the way dependencies are found int he gate. and yes it's irritating that we have to update a dependency on hacking just to get a new version of pbr so the gate can install global (not local) requirments. and all of this with us not doing anything new with hacking | 21:14 |
| notmyname | I won't argue with any of that | 21:14 |
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| redbo | would it help if we got rid fo pbr? I bet it would help if we got rid of pbr. | 21:14 |
| notmyname | but I did want to bring up that (1) it's fixed and there's a change we need in swift too and (2) it's not good it took us a week or two before we even started looking at it | 21:15 |
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| lifeless | ++ - I've been helping projects all week do their analysis. I mailed about the issue to the dev list to give folks a heads up | 21:15 |
| lifeless | and would have been delighted to help swift too | 21:15 |
| notmyname | lifeless: connecting the ML message (which I did see) to the exact issue we were seeing wasn't obvious. which is why we didn't know the solution until today | 21:16 |
| lifeless | (e.g. http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-June/068031.html ) | 21:16 |
| notmyname | lifeless: but thanks for your offer | 21:16 |
| timburke | notmyname: nit: in 37 mins (supposedly) it will be fixed. the one patch that will actually pass the gate still needs to get through it :) | 21:16 |
| notmyname | timburke: ok :-) | 21:16 |
| lifeless | notmyname: ah - thats a shame. I'll have a look at some recent swift logs I guess to see what you saw that was different | 21:17 |
| notmyname | lifeless: mostly probably our own ignorance of how all the pieces are put together. it's not exactly a simple system ;-) | 21:17 |
| lifeless | notmyname: was it swift or swiftclient failing ? | 21:17 |
| mattoliverau | nice work timburke, and yeah fail on 2. I for one will try and keep a better look at the state of the gate in the future. | 21:17 |
| notmyname | lifeless: swiftclient, but swift has the same issue still (just lucky to not yet be affected) | 21:17 |
| hurricanerix | notmyname: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift-midcycle-aug-2015 | 21:18 |
| notmyname | hurricanerix: thanks | 21:18 |
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| mattoliverau | So its been a fun week of gate bugs then :( | 21:18 |
| cschwede | exactly - there was also a broken gate due to swift func tests this week - the thing with the maxheaders and a python update | 21:19 |
| notmyname | cschwede: yeah | 21:19 |
| lifeless | ah yeah, http://logs.openstack.org/46/197646/1/check/check-swiftclient-dsvm-functional/9dca238/console.html#_2015-07-01_17_16_55_731 is a slightly different error message | 21:19 |
| notmyname | ok, so let's move on to more interesting ongoing work. lot's more tocover today :-) | 21:19 |
| notmyname | #topic ongoing work | 21:19 |
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| lifeless | ok so future ref: I'm very happy to be pinged on anything weird being thrown out of pip install / setup.py etc. | 21:19 |
| notmyname | lifeless: thanks | 21:19 |
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| notmyname | jrichli: acoles: anything to cover on encryption work? | 21:19 |
| mattoliverau | lifeless: thanks man | 21:19 |
| jrichli | patch 163806 got merged to the feature branch - yay! | 21:20 |
| patchbot | jrichli: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/163806/ | 21:20 |
| kota_ | great! | 21:20 |
| jrichli | clayg gave me some good feedback in the trivial keymaster review and has been helping me get things moving in feature/crypto | 21:20 |
| notmyname | good | 21:20 |
| jrichli | we need the real footers support in place of fake_footers patch 165517 | 21:20 |
| patchbot | jrichli: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/165517/ | 21:20 |
| jrichli | I will need some guidance on what approach to take. acoles was going to tackle this one, but he is working other things now. | 21:20 |
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| notmyname | jrichli: who's working on that? | 21:21 |
| notmyname | ah ok | 21:21 |
| notmyname | acoles: any ETA on when you'll be "back"? :-) | 21:21 |
| acoles | notmyname: err, hopefully a week or so, i'm starting to get some time for upstream back | 21:21 |
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| notmyname | great :-) | 21:22 |
| acoles | notmyname: oh, but then i have vacation | 21:22 |
| jrichli | yay | 21:22 |
| acoles | sorry! | 21:22 |
| * acoles #MustWorkHarder | 21:22 | |
| jrichli | well, good for you, tho! you deserve it | 21:22 |
| mattoliverau | acoles: but working upsream is like a vacation :P | 21:22 |
| notmyname | there's no vacation in swift! | 21:22 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: nice! | 21:22 |
| acoles | notmyname: i'm trying to progress fast-post when i can, and yeah sorry that i havent had much time for encryption stuff | 21:23 |
| tdasilva | tell that to his kids | 21:23 |
| notmyname | jrichli: ok, what do you need this week on encryption? | 21:23 |
| jrichli | having these patches land is important for crypto too: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/134347/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/156923/ | 21:23 |
| acoles | mattoliverau: heh. what can i say in response | 21:23 |
| jrichli | so reviews on them | 21:23 |
| acoles | :) | 21:23 |
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| mattoliverau | :) | 21:23 |
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| notmyname | jrichli: looks like they both have a merge conflict. | 21:24 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: can you or ppai update those? | 21:24 |
| tdasilva | yes | 21:24 |
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| notmyname | thanks | 21:24 |
| tdasilva | will do | 21:24 |
| notmyname | ok, on to EC testing | 21:24 |
| notmyname | peluse: kota_: minwoob_: I know each of you have been looking at EC stuff | 21:25 |
| notmyname | what's the status there? | 21:25 |
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| peluse | yeah, I'm on my 3rd rewrite of the GET path ability to tolerate duplicate FI's from the nodes (and subsequently request available alternates identified in headers) | 21:25 |
| peluse | will post what I have by EOW, working on not... | 21:25 |
| peluse | sounded so easy :) | 21:26 |
| peluse | but its getting close | 21:26 |
| notmyname | ok, great | 21:26 |
| notmyname | our current EC bugs are at https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bugs?field.tag=ec | 21:26 |
| minwoob_ | I have 3 open patches right now. They're failing on gate-swift-python34 | 21:26 |
| notmyname | looks like several are in progress now | 21:26 |
| minwoob_ | Other than that, they should be ready to be merged. | 21:26 |
| peluse | yeah, and then it can be extended to potentially ask for specific FI's even w/o a .dirable for other strange cases (but that will be a different patch) | 21:26 |
| notmyname | minwoob_: that's expected right now, and that doesn't vote on the gate. so it shouldn't be a blocker for anything | 21:26 |
| kota_ | I was not working so much in the last week because I got cold and was in bed most of the time. | 21:27 |
| kota_ | just reviewed a few stuff. | 21:27 |
| notmyname | kota_: sorry to hear that. hope you're feeling better | 21:27 |
| mattoliverau | kota_: know that feeling, hope your felling better | 21:27 |
| mattoliverau | lol | 21:28 |
| kota_ | notmyname:mattoliverau: thanks :) | 21:28 |
| notmyname | we've got to get the EC patches in soon so that we can have it usefully usable for people. please keep track of the bugs and patches for them | 21:28 |
| notmyname | I'll start he EC bugfix patches too | 21:29 |
| notmyname | *star | 21:29 |
| notmyname | so they show up on the review dashboard | 21:29 |
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| notmyname | any questions on EC work? | 21:29 |
| notmyname | ok, moving on then | 21:29 |
| minwoob_ | Okay. I will ask the cores who have reviewed mine, to revisit them soon. | 21:29 |
| notmyname | minwoob_: thansk | 21:29 |
| minwoob_ | Np. | 21:29 |
| notmyname | torgomatic has been working on some ring data placement improvements and has a fun new ring tool. | 21:30 |
| mattoliverau | minwoob_: I'll look this morning | 21:30 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: can you share a summary? | 21:30 |
| notmyname | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/197396/ | 21:30 |
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| torgomatic | two parts: | 21:30 |
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| torgomatic | part the first: there's a tool that simulates a bunch of rebalances/set-weights/etc. and shows you how many parts changed at each step as well as how many rebalances it took to converge | 21:31 |
| notmyname | that sounds great | 21:31 |
| torgomatic | this is useful with the second patch (Patch Jr.), which fixes a bug in the ring builder | 21:31 |
| torgomatic | basically, with overload > 0, it'd move the stuff that needed to move *and* some stuff that didn't | 21:32 |
| torgomatic | so it took more rebalances to converge and moved more partitions along the way | 21:32 |
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| torgomatic | and... uh... it doesn't do that now | 21:32 |
| torgomatic | (with patch 2, I mean) | 21:32 |
| patchbot | torgomatic: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/2/ | 21:32 |
| notmyname | silly patchbot | 21:32 |
| torgomatic | uh | 21:32 |
| mattoliverau | lol | 21:33 |
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| notmyname | so rebalance with your patch, especially with unbalanced clusters using overload, less data movement now? | 21:33 |
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| torgomatic | so that's what it does, and that's why it's dependent on the ring builder analyzer is so you can actually see it improve | 21:33 |
| torgomatic | notmyname: excellent summary | 21:33 |
| notmyname | yay | 21:33 |
| torgomatic | *only* with overload > 0 | 21:33 |
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| torgomatic | overload == 0 doesn't seem to move extra stuff as of master today, and the changes would end up just being a bunch of +0 and *1 operations for overload==0 | 21:34 |
| notmyname | I'm really excited about several of the recent proposed and landed patches. 1+ object server/port, async container updates, ring balance fixes, ec patches. good stuff going on :-) | 21:34 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: thanks for the update | 21:35 |
| notmyname | any questions from anyone on it? | 21:35 |
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| mattoliverau | +1 nice work torgomatic | 21:35 |
| notmyname | ok, next up | 21:35 |
| torgomatic | mattoliverau: go put that on the patch in gerrit ;) | 21:35 |
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| notmyname | cschwede: I saw https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196755/ for "add notifications middleware" in my email. looks interesting. tell us more | 21:36 |
| mattoliverau | torgomatic: ok ok, I've only just woke up :P | 21:36 |
| cschwede | yup | 21:36 |
| cschwede | it's a simple middleware that sits in the proxy pipeline, sending notifications on PUT/POST/COPY/DELETE. Designed to be used with OpenStack Zaqar, but anything that understands a POST request with a JSON body should be usable | 21:36 |
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| notmyname | cschwede: ah interesting that it's using zaqar. nice | 21:37 |
| cschwede | it’s related to one of the recently merged specs | 21:37 |
| notmyname | so anything that needs to be built on a durable notification queue can use it? | 21:37 |
| cschwede | https://github.com/openstack/swift-specs/blob/master/specs/in_progress/notifications.rst | 21:37 |
| notmyname | eg policy migrations? tape storage? auto tiering? maybe new contaienr sync? | 21:37 |
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| cschwede | notmyname: basically, yes. but it’s non blocking (for now); meaning that if the backends fails, swift continues and only logs errors | 21:38 |
| notmyname | cschwede: so what's needed there or what's next? is that the first of several patches? is it all ready for review and merge now? | 21:38 |
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| cschwede | i think it’s ready for review right now. would like to get some initial feedback on it (already got some from Pete and Hisashi; thanks!) | 21:39 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:39 |
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| torgomatic | yeah, definitely good that it sheds load like that | 21:40 |
| notmyname | anything else going on that hasn't been covered yet? (before we move on to bugs and specs)? | 21:40 |
| notmyname | anything else to report on? | 21:40 |
| torgomatic | otherwise I could see a small Zaqar getting hammered by a Swift cluster, crashing, and then Swift saving the load up for when the Zaqar service gets repaired and kncking it over again | 21:40 |
| torgomatic | *knocking | 21:40 |
| notmyname | ok, moving on to some bug tracking | 21:41 |
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| notmyname | #topic bugs | 21:41 |
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| cschwede | torgomatic: exactly. but with the logs and txn_ids an operator might manually send notifications later, if that’s a hard requirement | 21:41 |
| notmyname | we've already covered the EC bugs. looks like those are being worked through (great!) | 21:41 |
| notmyname | there are 68 bugs that are in "new" state on swiftclient https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-swiftclient/+bugs?field.searchtext=&orderby=-importance&field.status%3Alist=NEW&assignee_option=any&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.bug_commenter=&field.subscriber=&field.structural_subscriber=&field.tag=&field.tags_combinator=ANY&field.has_cve.used=&field.omit_dupes.used=&field.omit_dupes=on&field.affects_me.used=&field.has_patch.us | 21:42 |
| notmyname | ed=&field.has_branches.used=&field.has_branches=on&field.has_no_branches.used=&field.has_no_branches=on&field.has_blueprints.used=&field.has_blueprints=on&field.has_no_blueprints.used=&field.has_no_blueprints=on&search=Search | 21:42 |
| notmyname | bah! | 21:42 |
| notmyname | #link https://goo.gl/uO4b7l | 21:42 |
| notmyname | there | 21:42 |
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| notmyname | those need to be looked at and marked as confirmed or needs more info or invalid | 21:42 |
| cschwede | some really old stuff there… | 21:42 |
| notmyname | I'd appreciate help from anyone on triaging them | 21:42 |
| notmyname | cschwede: yup | 21:43 |
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| joeljwright | notmyname: I can take a look at some, but not until after July 10th | 21:43 |
| notmyname | joeljwright: is there anything (beyond the gate fix that timburke did) that needs special attention today? | 21:43 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:43 |
| joeljwright | there are quite few patches sitting without review for some time | 21:44 |
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| notmyname | torgomatic: does your gate plunger script do swiftcleint patches too? | 21:44 |
| joeljwright | I'll try ot get people chased up on those too when I get through the software release I'm working on atm | 21:44 |
| notmyname | joeljwright: thanks! that would be great! | 21:44 |
| torgomatic | notmyname: don't think so; the job names are different | 21:44 |
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| torgomatic | not too hard to fix though | 21:45 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: ok. we'll need to recheck a lot of them after timburke's patch lands | 21:45 |
| torgomatic | notmyname: heh, looks like it tries to, but fails miserably :D :( | 21:45 |
| notmyname | joeljwright: timburke: I'll work on getting all the swiftclient patches rechecked (ie I'll bug torgomatic about his script) after the gate issue is fixed for us | 21:46 |
| joeljwright | notmyname: :D | 21:46 |
| mattoliverau | deligation power :) | 21:46 |
| timburke | several (including my own) have fallen off of the review dashboard's "Older open patches" section | 21:46 |
| notmyname | anything else to cover on swiftclient right now? | 21:46 |
| notmyname | timburke: yeah, I'd like to improve the dashboard to be better about patches falling off | 21:47 |
| notmyname | timburke: seems it still needs work | 21:47 |
| notmyname | timburke: I'd be happy to work on that | 21:47 |
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| notmyname | ok, last item on the agenda (looks like we actually made it through the whole thing this week!)... | 21:48 |
| notmyname | #topic specs | 21:48 |
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| notmyname | here are the specs that have not landed | 21:48 |
| notmyname | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/swift-specs,n,z | 21:48 |
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| notmyname | there's 3 with a +1 already | 21:49 |
| notmyname | those are probably the quickest place to make improvements | 21:49 |
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| notmyname | ho: looks like I owe you a review on the oslo config spec | 21:49 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: have you seen any activity this week on the large container spec? | 21:50 |
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| mattoliverau | nope | 21:50 |
| zaitcev | there's a spec? | 21:50 |
| mattoliverau | but its just information on the current POC, so make sense. | 21:50 |
| notmyname | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/139921/ | 21:50 |
| zaitcev | oh 139921 | 21:50 |
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| notmyname | cschwede: anything on your container alias spec? | 21:51 |
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| mattoliverau | But I should patch it with more new data. | 21:51 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: ok | 21:51 |
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| cschwede | notmyname: no, not yet | 21:51 |
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| mattoliverau | I was hoping to patch after the summit version lands. | 21:51 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: can you look at the keymaster discussion spec this week? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/183014/ | 21:51 |
| torgomatic | notmyname: sure | 21:51 |
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| notmyname | mattoliverau: yeah, that would be good. get something landed | 21:51 |
| cschwede | i need to answer tdasilva’s questions though | 21:51 |
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| notmyname | torgomatic: thanks | 21:52 |
| notmyname | cschwede: ok | 21:52 |
| ho | notmyname: as for the oslo config spec, i don't use global oslo conf on my rbac patch. so i might set the spec to abandoned. | 21:52 |
| notmyname | ho: ah, interesting. ok | 21:52 |
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| notmyname | anything else on specs to cover int he meeting this week? | 21:53 |
| notmyname | #topic open discussion | 21:53 |
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| notmyname | anything else to bring up? | 21:53 |
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| notmyname | I've got a picture of contrib activity I worked on this weekend | 21:54 |
| notmyname | http://d.not.mn/contrib_activity.png | 21:54 |
| kota_ | interesting | 21:54 |
| notmyname | i'm slowly working on ways to see how and where we are active as a group to see how we can continue to grow and maintain a healthy community | 21:54 |
| zaitcev | What are the color. | 21:55 |
| cschwede | notmyname: nice work! are these just random colors or do they mean anything? | 21:55 |
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| notmyname | colors are random | 21:55 |
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| notmyname | the "activity period" in that rendering is 14 days. so there is a 14 day long bar after a commit lands | 21:55 |
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| zaitcev | I'm pretty much spending all my time on a genious plan to destroy Swift, so not much in the way of contribution at all. | 21:56 |
| notmyname | :-) | 21:56 |
| redbo | same | 21:56 |
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| notmyname | right now I expect to have a swift meeting next week, but I've been called to check in for jury duty. so who knows what will happen | 21:56 |
| notmyname | I'll update the wiki page as soon as I hear something | 21:57 |
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| notmyname | anything else? | 21:57 |
| mattoliverau | cschwede: did an awesome job of getting the MAXHEADERS patch up and fixing the gate last week! | 21:57 |
| notmyname | oh yeah! | 21:57 |
| mattoliverau | thought he deserved some kudos | 21:58 |
| notmyname | I mean to bring that up | 21:58 |
| cschwede | mattoliverau: notmyname: thx :) | 21:58 |
| notmyname | any concerns backporting that patch to kilo and juno? | 21:58 |
| notmyname | cschwede: thanks for doing it! great work | 21:58 |
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| notmyname | cschwede and timburke are my heroes this week for fixing gate issues | 21:58 |
| mattoliverau | not, we should do it | 21:59 |
| notmyname | I agree. I'll land those this afternoon | 21:59 |
| mattoliverau | *nope (back porting) | 21:59 |
| notmyname | ok, thanks everyone for coming | 21:59 |
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| notmyname | see you in #openstack-swift | 21:59 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 21:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jul 1 21:59:52 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:59 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-07-01-21.00.html | 21:59 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-07-01-21.00.txt | 21:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-07-01-21.00.log.html | 21:59 |
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