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| Daisy | Hi, I18n meeting will be start here. | 06:00 |
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| Daisy | who is there for I18n meeting ? | 06:01 |
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| Fdot | Hello Daisy :) | 06:02 |
| Daisy | Hi, Fdot | 06:02 |
| Daisy | Moring | 06:02 |
| Daisy | Morning | 06:02 |
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| Daisy | I hope I don't make the wrong time. | 06:02 |
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| Daisy | #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting | 06:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 2 06:02:59 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Daisy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 06:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 06:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 06:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting' | 06:03 |
| Daisy | Hello, Fdot | 06:03 |
| Fdot | Daisy: hello :) | 06:03 |
| Daisy | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YpDJU_uNA4I5fzFG69T6L9gpFsy5yNtA9a-lSxnqeAY/edit?usp=sharing | 06:03 |
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| epico | Hello | 06:04 |
| Daisy | This is the translators statistic data exported from Transifex. | 06:04 |
| Daisy | Hi, epico | 06:04 |
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| Fdot | Daisy: nice thanks a lot | 06:05 |
| Daisy | I have exported statistic data from Transfiex and put them into a spreadsheet of google doc. | 06:05 |
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| Daisy | First, I will update the status of our Zanata instance. | 06:06 |
| Daisy | We all know infra team is setting up Zanata instance. There is a test instance already. They said they were working to migrate synchronization scripts in Vancouver. According to Elizabeth's email most recently, they have most of synchronization working. They aim to have this ready by early July (likely right after the 4th of July holiday here in the US next week). The instance is just for... | 06:06 |
| Daisy | ...testing. After testing done, they'll wipe it away then they go into production. | 06:06 |
| Daisy | So it's not a proper time for us to start translation trial on Zanata yet. After infra team tell us to go, we will go to the production env directly and set up our teams there. | 06:07 |
| Daisy | While infra team is setting up Zanata, we shall take a look at our translation contributions page in stackalytics. | 06:08 |
| Daisy | That's what I'm going to discuss today. | 06:08 |
| Daisy | #topic Feature design: translation metrics in stackalytics | 06:09 |
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| Daisy | Fdot and epico, please take a look at this design doc: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1veum4qVbe_w62oYR1S4BZd6YXW9gbqkiwwPqHtNg6zU/edit?usp=sharing | 06:10 |
| Daisy | See if you have any suggestions/concerns with the UI design. | 06:10 |
| * Fdot is reading the document | 06:11 | |
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| Fdot | daisy seems good for me | 06:12 |
| Daisy | Thanks, Fdot | 06:12 |
| Fdot | Daisy: you only show stats about translation | 06:12 |
| Fdot | no reviewing ? | 06:12 |
| Daisy | Yes, on translation, not reviewing. | 06:12 |
| Daisy | Fdot: do you think we shall includ reviewing ? | 06:12 |
| Fdot | I think reviewing is important part of the translation works | 06:13 |
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| Daisy | OK. | 06:13 |
| Fdot | some contributors are more focus on reviewing than on translation | 06:13 |
| Fdot | I don't know if everybody is agree whit that ? | 06:14 |
| Daisy | Fdot: I agree with you. | 06:14 |
| Daisy | :) | 06:14 |
| Daisy | I didn't add reviewing, because I haven't decide how to add reviewing yet. | 06:14 |
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| Fdot | ok :) | 06:15 |
| adiantum | hello | 06:15 |
| Daisy | Hi, adiantum | 06:15 |
| Daisy | adiantum: please take a look at the UI design of "translation" metric in stackalytics in the google doc. | 06:16 |
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| epico | Daisy: seems good for me :) | 06:17 |
| Daisy | Thank you, epico | 06:17 |
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| adiantum | looks good | 06:18 |
| Daisy | thank you, adiantum | 06:18 |
| Daisy | Fdot thinks we should add reviewing too, not only translation. | 06:18 |
| Daisy | I haven't decided how to add reviewing yet. | 06:19 |
| Daisy | Any comments ? | 06:19 |
| adiantum | is it possible to take review metrics from zanata? | 06:19 |
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| epico | Daisy, maybe you could try to setup some milestone for it? | 06:20 |
| Daisy | epico: Yes, I should | 06:21 |
| epico | and a development plan also. :) | 06:21 |
| Daisy | I think Zanata will return reviewed words too. I need to check with Carlos. | 06:21 |
| Daisy | adiantum: do you mind to work together with me on the implementation? | 06:22 |
| adiantum | Daisy: yes, sure | 06:22 |
| Daisy | epico: do you want to join us to work together ? | 06:22 |
| Daisy | adiantum: we need a plan and allocate tasks. | 06:23 |
| adiantum | but one more thing we need is test zanata project | 06:23 |
| epico | sorry, really busy recently... | 06:23 |
| Daisy | adiantum: please try: http://translate-dev.openstack.org/ | 06:23 |
| adiantum | i can write tasks on bluepront whiteboard | 06:24 |
| adiantum | i'm already there | 06:24 |
| Daisy | adiantum: it's a test instance. We could use it to test the codes. | 06:24 |
| adiantum | yes, but we need some test project too | 06:24 |
| Daisy | adiantum: what do you mean? | 06:25 |
| Daisy | can you set up a test project in translation-dev ? | 06:25 |
| adiantum | for example project with terminologies where will be some statistics different from 0 | 06:25 |
| adiantum | ohh, looks like i have permissions | 06:26 |
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| Daisy | adiantum: after you write some tests on the blueprint, please let me know. I can work on some. | 06:28 |
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| adiantum | Daisy: yes, sure | 06:28 |
| Daisy | we need a plan too. I want this function could be ready before Tokyo summit. | 06:29 |
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| adiantum | i think we can write deadline date for tasks in blueprint work items | 06:31 |
| Daisy | ok. | 06:31 |
| Daisy | #topic Open discussions | 06:32 |
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| Fdot | Daisy: I have one subject :) | 06:33 |
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| Daisy | Fdot: do you notice that in the translators report table exported from Transifex, there is no emails. | 06:33 |
| Fdot | Daisy: for testing the Horizion translation there was a test server | 06:33 |
| Daisy | what's the test server ? | 06:34 |
| Fdot | http://157.7.133.23:13580/ | 06:34 |
| Daisy | who owns the server ? | 06:34 |
| Fdot | it doesn't works anymore | 06:34 |
| Fdot | I don't know | 06:34 |
| Daisy | ok. | 06:34 |
| Fdot | you gave me the url ;) | 06:34 |
| Daisy | Fdot: it's belong to Akihero. We will move to openstack infra then. | 06:35 |
| Fdot | Daisy: ok nice :) | 06:35 |
| amotoki | it is my server. I am not taking care of it after the release :-) | 06:35 |
| Daisy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/184559/ | 06:35 |
| Daisy | Fdot: for the translators report from Transifex, there is no emails. Do you know who are these IDs ? | 06:36 |
| Fdot | daisy : For a lot of them yes :) | 06:36 |
| Daisy | Great then. | 06:36 |
| Fdot | afk 5 min sorry | 06:36 |
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| Daisy | if no special subjects, let's close this meeting and move to #openstack-translation. | 06:37 |
| adiantum | ok | 06:37 |
| Daisy | #endmeeting | 06:37 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 2 06:37:51 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 06:37 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2015/openstack_i18n_meeting.2015-07-02-06.02.html | 06:37 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2015/openstack_i18n_meeting.2015-07-02-06.02.txt | 06:37 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2015/openstack_i18n_meeting.2015-07-02-06.02.log.html | 06:37 |
| Daisy | Thank you all for attending. | 06:38 |
| adiantum | thank you | 06:38 |
| epico | Thank you | 06:38 |
| Daisy | adiantum: please move to #openstack-translation, I will show you a link. | 06:38 |
| Fdot | Thanks you daisy :) | 06:39 |
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| fifieldt | happy $TIME_OF_DAY all | 13:57 |
| * maishsk thinks it is too quiet in here | 13:57 | |
| fifieldt | oh hi maishsk! | 13:57 |
| fifieldt | maishsk, I found out it's coming up to a long weekend in the US | 13:58 |
| fifieldt | so lots of people taking well-earned time off | 13:58 |
| maishsk | Bloody Yanks.. The weekend has not even started yet - actually Thursday hasn’t even started yet.. :) | 13:58 |
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| fifieldt | :) | 13:59 |
| fifieldt | I believe it was also Canada's birthday | 13:59 |
| fifieldt | so happy birthday Canada | 13:59 |
| fifieldt | anyway, we're approaching our slot | 13:59 |
| fifieldt | so might be time to work out which startmeeting command to use | 14:00 |
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| fifieldt | I'm going to guess: | 14:00 |
| berendt | <-- customer site, read only.. | 14:00 |
| fifieldt | #startmeeting #operator-tags | 14:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 2 14:00:19 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is fifieldt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: #operator-tags)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to '_operator_tags' | 14:00 |
| fifieldt | hello all, and welcome to our second IRC meeting | 14:00 |
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| fifieldt | though we originally said we'd meet monthly, we didn't make it through our agenda two weeks ago | 14:00 |
| fifieldt | so this meeting is a continuation of the previous one | 14:01 |
| fifieldt | #info Agenda here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ops-tags-June-2015 | 14:01 |
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| fifieldt | we got through some announcements, roughly went through some reviews, but spend most of the time talking about fundamentals | 14:01 |
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| fifieldt | today, if it's OK with y'all, I'd like to start at item #4 | 14:01 |
| fifieldt | and have a brainstorm about new ideas | 14:02 |
| fifieldt | work ok? | 14:02 |
| maishsk | Which I think we still have not gotten nailed down - but if we go down that path - I dont think we will get anyway | 14:02 |
| maishsk | so I would leave it for the end | 14:02 |
| fifieldt | tehehe :) | 14:02 |
| maishsk | Great | 14:02 |
| fifieldt | might just be you and me here maish, jonproulx is away | 14:02 |
| fifieldt | anyone else here? | 14:02 |
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| jamespage | o/ | 14:03 |
| berendt | <-- only passive | 14:03 |
| maishsk | First one that I would like to start working on is ops:ha | 14:03 |
| fifieldt | thanks jamespage, berendt | 14:03 |
| fifieldt | sure, maishsk - can you tell us more? | 14:03 |
| MarkBaker | fifieldt, o/ | 14:03 |
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| fifieldt | thanks MarkBaker :) | 14:03 |
| maishsk | Definition: is the project Highly available - and the documenation is present on how to achieve this. | 14:03 |
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| fifieldt | sounds promising :) | 14:04 |
| fifieldt | though defining HA is always fun | 14:04 |
| fifieldt | do you have any helpful examples at the moment? | 14:04 |
| maishsk | and will be fun to get reviews… | 14:04 |
| fifieldt | or just throwing it out there | 14:04 |
| maishsk | #link http://docs.openstack.org/high-availability-guide/content/ch-intro.html | 14:05 |
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| berendt | can the HA guide team provide a definition? | 14:05 |
| berendt | maishsk: thanks | 14:05 |
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| maishsk | #link Keystone for example - http://docs.openstack.org/high-availability-guide/content/s-keystone.html | 14:06 |
| fifieldt | right, so it's possible to configure keystone to have multiple API endpoints, with a redundant backend | 14:06 |
| fifieldt | and there's that handy doc | 14:06 |
| fifieldt | so it gets a tick | 14:06 |
| fifieldt | that seems useful for people to know | 14:07 |
| maishsk | exactly. | 14:07 |
| fifieldt | whereas if there is some new service that doesn't quite deal with having every part of it's API distributed, it wouldn't get a tick | 14:07 |
| fifieldt | and there might be an in-between case where some particular (substantial) part of a service couldn't do it, whereas basically everything else was good | 14:08 |
| * med_ is late as usual | 14:08 | |
| fifieldt | eg I think nova's vncproxy was like that for a while | 14:08 |
| fifieldt | thanks med_ :) | 14:08 |
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| fifieldt | is this matching the vision, maishsk? more to add? | 14:08 |
| berendt | are there part of services that cannot by HA? | 14:08 |
| Daviey | /win 23 | 14:08 |
| maishsk | Things that I do not yet know how to deal with - is for example - if cinder has multiple services - can they all be deployed in a redundant fashion - and if only some - then how that should reflect in the tag | 14:09 |
| fifieldt | what about using a 'caveat' to say if there's a bit of it that doesn't quite do HA well? | 14:09 |
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| fifieldt | probably want to keep the "bits" pretty coarse-grained | 14:09 |
| jamespage | it sound like there is some level of context to the tag ? a specific configuration for example | 14:10 |
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| maishsk | so I think we will have to iron that out in the review process? | 14:10 |
| med_ | what per se is getting tagged exactly? The service overall, specific parts of the service. | 14:10 |
| * med_ probably needs to read prior minutes | 14:10 | |
| maishsk | med_: Good question | 14:10 |
| fifieldt | I think we basically have to stick with services overall | 14:10 |
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| med_ | 'k | 14:10 |
| fifieldt | so it's possible to line up tags :) | 14:10 |
| berendt | I think overall | 14:11 |
| fifieldt | and, going too fine grained just eats up people and becomes impossible to maintain | 14:11 |
| med_ | so the "ha" tag would definitely apply and definitely have to have some notes/caveats | 14:11 |
| maishsk | jamespage: can you elaborate? | 14:11 |
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| med_ | I can't speak for jamespage but you CAN deploy many services with/without HA | 14:11 |
| med_ | so the ha tag probably needs a reference to HOW you deploy with HA | 14:11 |
| jamespage | maishsk, I was thinking of neutron specifically - not all plugins/drivers offer the same level of HA'edness | 14:11 |
| fifieldt | that is a good point | 14:12 |
| jamespage | but the same probably applies to cinder as well | 14:12 |
| med_ | or it leads you to doing a "hunt" for the right solution. | 14:12 |
| jamespage | med_, hence the need to reference a configuration with the tag imho | 14:12 |
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| med_ | agreed. | 14:12 |
| maishsk | I agree to all of the above - but if it aint documented - in the official docs - it aint there - and therefore - no tag | 14:12 |
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| med_ | so using neutron plugin:bizmummble is HA but using neutron plugin foxcreekjump is not HA | 14:12 |
| fifieldt | I think jamespage might be suggesting we limit the number of plugins and configurations we care about | 14:13 |
| fifieldt | right? :) | 14:13 |
| * maishsk agrees | 14:13 | |
| berendt | how to choose? | 14:14 |
| jamespage | fifieldt, kinda - I think we need a mechanism to support documenting what we know is ha - not quite the same thing | 14:14 |
| med_ | so, then "ha"' implies that somewhere in the official (at somepoint in time docs, presumably the docs on the day the tag was applied) docs there is a documentation of HA | 14:14 |
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| jamespage | the limitation is really that no-one has verified that some alternative configuration is HA | 14:14 |
| med_ | ^ my comment back to maishk's | 14:14 |
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| berendt | med_: agreed | 14:14 |
| fifieldt | right, this all sounds very reasonable | 14:14 |
| med_ | otherwise the tags get way too wishy-washy meaningless | 14:14 |
| jamespage | but it sounds like that forms part of the benchmark for the tag anyway | 14:14 |
| med_ | the HA one at least has a (bad, out of date last I looked, broken) but existent guide | 14:15 |
| med_ | do other tags have guides? | 14:15 |
| fifieldt | I think in general we're in favour of investigating this, so given we're 15 minutes in, it might be worth seeing other ideas people have and taking drtailed discussion to specs? | 14:15 |
| med_ | ie, "good for production" won't mean much unless we say What config in prod. | 14:15 |
| fifieldt | s/specs/code review thing | 14:15 |
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| fifieldt | I figure we can have a more robust conversation when there's a document to poke holes in :) | 14:16 |
| fifieldt | sound OK? | 14:16 |
| jamespage | sure | 14:16 |
| fifieldt | well, who's up next then :) | 14:16 |
| berendt | there is a team improving the HA guide at the moment | 14:16 |
| fifieldt | any ideas? | 14:16 |
| berendt | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/improve-ha-guide | 14:16 |
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| berendt | #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/docs-specs/specs/liberty/ha-guide.html | 14:17 |
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| fifieldt | #agreed ops:ha tag seems worthwhile to investigate. details around config to be worked out | 14:17 |
| * med_ suspsects he may be on that team.... or was 6 mo. ago | 14:17 | |
| MarkBaker | I I wanted to dig into packaging tags - if there is a quality and/or distro element to them | 14:17 |
| fifieldt | sure, since you and jamespage are here, it might be worth doing that | 14:18 |
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| fifieldt | please go ahead! | 14:18 |
| MarkBaker | like med_ I may need to read previous minutes but is it agreed that there will be a packaged tag? | 14:18 |
| fifieldt | ah, we did get around to discussing this last time | 14:19 |
| fifieldt | there's actually a write up at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186633 | 14:19 |
| * jamespage reads fast | 14:19 | |
| fifieldt | which has had quite a bit of iteration :) | 14:19 |
| fifieldt | ok, while those guys are reading, maybe we continue brainstorming and come back later? | 14:19 |
| MarkBaker | .me reads | 14:19 |
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| fifieldt | lets give them 5 minutes | 14:19 |
| fifieldt | so any new tag ideas? | 14:19 |
| jamespage | fifieldt, ack | 14:19 |
| berendt | no ideas at the moment | 14:20 |
| fifieldt | med_, what info would you like to see to help you navigate the mysterious new openstack projects? | 14:20 |
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| med_ | new ones? Mostly maturity, deployed-already-somewhere, stability | 14:21 |
| med_ | and I suspect that's a no, secret, notreally | 14:21 |
| med_ | for a new project | 14:21 |
| med_ | ie, I'm familiar with the not quite in the tent Monasca project | 14:21 |
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| med_ | maturity=no | 14:21 |
| med_ | deployed-already=yes | 14:21 |
| med_ | stability=notsomuch | 14:22 |
| med_ | (and getting better every day) | 14:22 |
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| med_ | Monasca is my "pet" too new to be in OpenStack project | 14:22 |
| med_ | there are lots of others I know even less about | 14:22 |
| fifieldt | cool. I definitely think we want to get to the point where we can say stuff like that :) I think at the moment, it would be nice to break down a complex thing like maturity into component parts | 14:22 |
| fifieldt | we can derive it a little from - is it in the install guide? is it packaged? | 14:22 |
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| fifieldt | has the puppet/chef/ansible stuff been updated for it? | 14:23 |
| fifieldt | actually - on that last one, do you care? | 14:23 |
| fifieldt | or is it a good indicator of maturity | 14:23 |
| fifieldt | ? | 14:23 |
| maishsk | fifieldt: If the information is useful - then yes. | 14:23 |
| med_ | btw, that pkg example is very helpful, thanks. | 14:23 |
| berendt | i think puuppet/chef/ansible is a useful detail | 14:24 |
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| fifieldt | med_, you might also enjoy: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:stackforge/ops-tags-team+branch:master,n,z | 14:24 |
| med_ | stability in terms of functionality I care about | 14:24 |
| med_ | stability in terms of api I care about | 14:24 |
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| med_ | and puppet/chef/ansible I care about (but feel some personal onus so if not done, should beat myself with a stick) | 14:25 |
| jamespage | med_, hehe | 14:25 |
| fifieldt | :D | 14:25 |
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| fifieldt | how about scale? | 14:25 |
| med_ | stability is more has the project settled enough to be remotely usable | 14:25 |
| fifieldt | right | 14:25 |
| med_ | ie, Monasca is on there 3rd-4th different database backend | 14:25 |
| med_ | some see that as a challenge, others as opportunity, and operators as WTF? | 14:25 |
| med_ | scale's a very good ... tagtopic? | 14:26 |
| med_ | concept | 14:26 |
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| fifieldt | yeah, what do we do with it? :) | 14:26 |
| maishsk | med_: and has the API been re-written/planned to be re-written once/twice/umpteenth times | 14:26 |
| med_ | ie, "works in devstack"TM doesn't quite imply "scale" | 14:26 |
| med_ | maishsk, yep. | 14:26 |
| maishsk | +1 | 14:26 |
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| fifieldt | "works in devstack" should so be a tag we should suggest the TC make :) | 14:27 |
| jamespage | med_, I guess the trick with scale is quantifying that as well | 14:27 |
| med_ | so to evaluate for a "scale" tag is going to be a bit of a ... what jamespage said, ill defined atm | 14:27 |
| fifieldt | ok, so, strawman - we use some user survey data, somehow | 14:27 |
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| maishsk | jamespage: can we use the User survey to collect those metrics? /cc fifieldt | 14:27 |
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| med_ | so scale might mean 10, it might mean log==10 it might mean log(log) =10 | 14:28 |
| jamespage | maybe - not sure if has all of the required dimensions | 14:28 |
| fifieldt | we have data on #TBs, # cores, #IP addresses | 14:28 |
| med_ | so use usersurvey to determine if deployed | 14:28 |
| jamespage | that might work then | 14:28 |
| med_ | and how broadly | 14:28 |
| med_ | but doesn't really imply scale | 14:28 |
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| fifieldt | the problem we have is mapping different services in | 14:28 |
| fifieldt | for nova, # cores might be scale, for swift # TBs or # objects | 14:28 |
| med_ | I don't think the user survey for example asks how many "neutron" nodes you have. | 14:29 |
| fifieldt | yeah | 14:29 |
| * med_ needs to retake the survey to see exactly what it does ask | 14:29 | |
| fifieldt | so quite difficult to map in | 14:29 |
| med_ | I figured it asked about #compute nodes | 14:29 |
| med_ | not #of cinder nodes | 14:29 |
| fifieldt | we'd probably need to go back and work out what a "large" cloud was, making a definition including all of these metrics | 14:29 |
| jgbarah | Probably above a certain point, it doesn't matter too much, if the idea is "used enough" | 14:29 |
| fifieldt | then count the number of those | 14:29 |
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| med_ | not #of routers | 14:29 |
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| MarkBaker | most users I talk with measure scale in terms of compute nodes - that is mainly because that is how most distros charge | 14:29 |
| med_ | I think for 'deployed broadly' usersurvey is perfect | 14:30 |
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| jgbarah | OTOH, you don't need a single scale | 14:30 |
| med_ | agreed MarkBaker that's the first thing I think of but it is irrelevant if you are talking about many of the projects | 14:30 |
| fifieldt | so, it's looking like as jgbarah says, we might be able to fake it using # of production deployment stats | 14:30 |
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| jgbarah | If you have quantitative info on different aspects, then those for whom nodes is important, can use that, but other could use some other parameter | 14:30 |
| med_ | "fake it" until we make it with something better... | 14:30 |
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| jamespage | I think multiple scale dimensions is an idea which would allow alignment with projects based on use case | 14:31 |
| fifieldt | ok, so I'm thinking maybe this needs to be a change in the user survey presentation | 14:31 |
| jgbarah | Thre could be the "standad" dimension, and then maybe some others... | 14:31 |
| fifieldt | rather than a tag as such | 14:31 |
| med_ | yep | 14:31 |
| fifieldt | so people can look at the specs of clouds that run monasca, for example | 14:31 |
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| med_ | but it gets onerous | 14:31 |
| jgbarah | In any case, tags could be delivered based on the "standard" dimension, if you want a "reference" tag set | 14:32 |
| med_ | i guess if we can use the value, we should ask. I hate makingrequesting that folks give away the farm, their baby, their design in a survey | 14:32 |
| med_ | so optional? tag/flag + optional qty? | 14:32 |
| jgbarah | If you have rich metadata in json docs, you can compute different scales automatically, and one of them can be the "reference" scale | 14:32 |
| med_ | (in the survey) | 14:32 |
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| fifieldt | yeah, we've got a ton of data in a database from the user survey jgbarah, can likely pull some stuff up :) | 14:33 |
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| fifieldt | I might send out an email about user survey things | 14:33 |
| jgbarah | ;-) Good idea. | 14:33 |
| fifieldt | but we should probably get back to tags | 14:33 |
| fifieldt | anyone want to continue the brainstorm? | 14:33 |
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| * maishsk thinks that should give us a good start for now | 14:34 | |
| jamespage | fifieldt, reading the packaged spec, the thing that occurs to me is that it feels a little coarse from a distro perspective | 14:34 |
| fifieldt | indeed - this is quite deliberate, jamespage | 14:34 |
| jamespage | as its an aggregation over all distros | 14:34 |
| jaypipes | jamespage: I brought that up last meeting... | 14:35 |
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| fifieldt | let me find the minutes, moment! | 14:35 |
| jamespage | apologies for raking over old ground - but it feels importnat | 14:35 |
| fifieldt | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_tags/2015/ | 14:35 |
| fifieldt | probably worth having a read | 14:35 |
| fifieldt | but do go on if you want :) | 14:36 |
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| jamespage | fifieldt, sounds like I need to read the full context - so skip my comments for this time | 14:37 |
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| fifieldt | happy to revisit at any point :) | 14:37 |
| fifieldt | basically we don't want to list exhaustive info for every distro+distro version for every project - because you've already got that in a smarter way with apt-cache search | 14:37 |
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| fifieldt | so have a read and get back to us :) | 14:37 |
| fifieldt | anyway, maishsk, you seem ready to move on to the next agenda item | 14:37 |
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| fifieldt | which I know is dear to your heart | 14:37 |
| fifieldt | so, let's cut the brainstorming for today | 14:37 |
| fifieldt | maybe add in some more every meeting | 14:38 |
| fifieldt | and move to a discussion of process | 14:38 |
| fifieldt | #topic We should start talking about process | 14:38 |
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| fifieldt | did you want to kick us off, maishsk? | 14:38 |
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| maishsk | So as a transparent process - I think that this group should define a few things | 14:38 |
| maishsk | 1. Who approves tags (+2 power) | 14:39 |
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| maishsk | 2. How is that group of people defined. | 14:39 |
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| maishsk | Do we do this like all Openstack projects - is that even possible? | 14:40 |
| fifieldt | cool, so just info so far: | 14:40 |
| med_ | not all openstack projects do it the same way tbh | 14:40 |
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| med_ | (w/r/t +20 | 14:41 |
| med_ | (w/r/t +2) | 14:41 |
| fifieldt | current people with +2 rights on the repo are tim bell, subbu allamaraju, jon proulx and me | 14:41 |
| fifieldt | that was just the initial set | 14:41 |
| fifieldt | since I made the repo, and the other 3 are the user commitee | 14:41 |
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| * maishsk is fine with that. | 14:41 | |
| fifieldt | I know the UC is interested in delegating more and doing less work themselves to some extent :) | 14:41 |
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| fifieldt | the other thing I'll point out is that approval at the moment is equivalent to "merged in the git repo" | 14:42 |
| maishsk | If the group decides to expand - the process of how should be laid out | 14:42 |
| fifieldt | nothing we do is displayed nicely anywhere or consumed at the moment | 14:42 |
| fifieldt | strawman: | 14:42 |
| maishsk | All things start small. | 14:42 |
| fifieldt | people who do good things on the repo should be given rights? | 14:43 |
| fifieldt | eg reviews | 14:43 |
| fifieldt | hard when we are so small :) | 14:43 |
| fifieldt | but *shrug* | 14:43 |
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| fifieldt | do you have ideas, maishsk? | 14:43 |
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| fifieldt | med_, anything interesting in the way your other projects do it? | 14:44 |
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| maishsk | I am more than willing to help out here. | 14:44 |
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| med_ | fifieldt, no, they are very similar to what you just proposed: start somewhere, move forward. | 14:44 |
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| med_ | in addition to the core reviewers of more traditional coding projects | 14:45 |
| med_ | (which may in fact start the same way and then people get proposed as added to core) | 14:45 |
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| fifieldt | so, if maishsk has reviewed every single patch and proposed a couple of his own, he's on the track to core? :) | 14:45 |
| med_ | cores look to other cores and non-cores to corify someone. | 14:45 |
| med_ | +1 | 14:45 |
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| fifieldt | and that decision is made by the existing core team | 14:45 |
| fifieldt | ? | 14:46 |
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| med_ | ^ that's indeed a good point and how it works | 14:46 |
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| med_ | fifieldt, that's my present understanding | 14:46 |
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| maishsk | One last thing which I forgot to mention - is ‘contesting’ (for a lack of a better word ATM) a tag. | 14:46 |
| med_ | jaypipes, ttx, jamespage could probably add more bg/info | 14:46 |
| med_ | that's a -1 | 14:46 |
| med_ | or -2 | 14:46 |
| med_ | and should have comments in the review | 14:46 |
| fifieldt | cool, well, in the interests of time, does someone want to write the core reviewer stuff up and email it to the list for thinking? | 14:47 |
| med_ | or are you suggesting someone propose a tag value change? That would be a new mergeset | 14:47 |
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| fifieldt | contesting a tag is when someone thinks the value is wrong | 14:47 |
| med_ | so if someone thinks the value is wrong, should be a new review that goes out along with a ... reason for change | 14:47 |
| fifieldt | eg we could have written nasty things about the HA-ability of monasca, when in fact it works | 14:47 |
| maishsk | med_: that sounds like a plan | 14:47 |
| fifieldt | monasca complains, and we respond | 14:48 |
| fifieldt | I don't think we should necessarily say "submit a patch set" in every case :) | 14:48 |
| med_ | reason for change could be in the commit message. I'll need to read the proposed packages tags page again first to see if that reason also needs to go in a file. | 14:48 |
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| fifieldt | since it could be valuable people like driver makers, packagers, ... | 14:48 |
| med_ | fifieldt, ? | 14:48 |
| med_ | if those people can't make a changeset.... I'd question their openstackfulness. | 14:48 |
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| fifieldt | med_, of course it would be great if everyone did patches :) | 14:49 |
| med_ | I'm fine with someone proxxying their change. | 14:49 |
| fifieldt | yes | 14:49 |
| fifieldt | that's basically it | 14:49 |
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| fifieldt | all I'm saying is that we should prioritise the accuracy/responsiveness above the process :) | 14:49 |
| med_ | ie, if I hear from BRANDx that it works it really works and here's' how, I have no problem championing that to a changeset | 14:49 |
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| fifieldt | indeed | 14:49 |
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| med_ | so WHERE/WHEN/HOW would they do that? In thi meeting? | 14:50 |
| med_ | in email to operators list? | 14:50 |
| fifieldt | according to the wiki at the moment it's emailing the list | 14:50 |
| med_ | 'k | 14:50 |
| fifieldt | or emailing me directly if it's uncomfortable :) | 14:50 |
| fifieldt | then we could decide what to do from there | 14:50 |
| * med_ is always uncomfortable... but thought that was normal. | 14:50 | |
| med_ | TMI | 14:50 |
| fifieldt | :D | 14:50 |
| fifieldt | so, we have 10 miuntes left | 14:51 |
| fifieldt | where are we on process, maishsk? | 14:51 |
| maishsk | med_: maybe you should get a new chair? | 14:51 |
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| maishsk | I think that we have covered the items on the agenda - pretty much. | 14:51 |
| fifieldt | ok | 14:51 |
| fifieldt | so, up next was something about our monthly meeting slot | 14:52 |
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| fifieldt | but I guess we fixed that | 14:52 |
| fifieldt | which means we're basically in all other business | 14:52 |
| fifieldt | so, the floor is open | 14:52 |
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| fifieldt | for anyone, for anything | 14:52 |
| fifieldt | #topic AOB | 14:52 |
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| fifieldt | does anyone have anything further to add? | 14:53 |
| fifieldt | request? discuss? | 14:53 |
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| med_ | I just have homework. | 14:54 |
| fifieldt | haha, brilliant :) | 14:54 |
| med_ | Did someone take the action to write up the how to become core in this project? | 14:54 |
| med_ | if not, I can write that email from scrollback. | 14:54 |
| fifieldt | not yet! | 14:54 |
| med_ | taken | 14:54 |
| fifieldt | that would be excellent | 14:54 |
| fifieldt | #action med_ write up the how to become core in this project | 14:54 |
| med_ | by cob | 14:54 |
| maishsk | :) | 14:54 |
| fifieldt | cool, well, do tell your friends about us :) | 14:55 |
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| fifieldt | now, in terms of our next meeting | 14:55 |
| med_ | that too. | 14:55 |
| fifieldt | we can either do it on 16th of July or 30th July | 14:55 |
| fifieldt | preference? | 14:55 |
| fifieldt | #action maishsk to investigate ops:ha | 14:55 |
| fifieldt | forgot that one | 14:55 |
| maishsk | ;) | 14:55 |
| fifieldt | two weeks or one month people ? | 14:56 |
| maishsk | I say keep it at 2 weeks - if there are no pressing topics | 14:56 |
| med_ | to make progress, I'd vote for 2 week | 14:56 |
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| med_ | biweekly not semiweekly | 14:56 |
| maishsk | cancel on the mailing list | 14:56 |
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| med_ | +1 wfm | 14:56 |
| fifieldt | ok, I will also be sure to add a topic for jamespage and MarkBaker to the agenda for a meeting on 16th july | 14:56 |
| maishsk | aka -> What med_ said | 14:57 |
| fifieldt | or they can add comments to the review | 14:57 |
| fifieldt | prior to then | 14:57 |
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| fifieldt | so we can save valuable real-time-time :) | 14:57 |
| MarkBaker | fifieldt, I can' make 16th, don;t know about jamespage | 14:57 |
| * med_ takes a 3 min break between irc meetings | 14:57 | |
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| fifieldt | ok, well, please do spam the review link :) | 14:57 |
| fifieldt | we'll work out a meeting time later | 14:57 |
| fifieldt | since this one needs to wrap up before we fall asleep :) | 14:57 |
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| fifieldt | so thank you all very much for coming | 14:57 |
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| fifieldt | please take a look at the stuff under review, or propose your own ideas! | 14:58 |
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| fifieldt | and I look forward to seeing some of you in a couple weeks' | 14:58 |
| fifieldt | #endmeeting | 14:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: networking)" | 14:58 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 2 14:58:15 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/_operator_tags/2015/_operator_tags.2015-07-02-14.00.html | 14:58 |
| maishsk | Thanks! | 14:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/_operator_tags/2015/_operator_tags.2015-07-02-14.00.txt | 14:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/_operator_tags/2015/_operator_tags.2015-07-02-14.00.log.html | 14:58 |
| jgbarah | Thanks! | 14:58 |
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| gordc | #startmeeting ceilometer | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 2 15:00:39 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gordc. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 15:00 |
| gordc | whoops | 15:00 |
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| gordc | #endmeetig | 15:00 |
| gordc | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: networking)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 2 15:00:59 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:01 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2015/ceilometer.2015-07-02-15.00.html | 15:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2015/ceilometer.2015-07-02-15.00.txt | 15:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2015/ceilometer.2015-07-02-15.00.log.html | 15:01 |
| * gordc is really really sorry | 15:01 | |
| jasonamyers | best meeting every | 15:01 |
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| cdent | totes | 15:01 |
| jasonamyers | s/every/ever | 15:01 |
| gordc | hmmm.. is that meeting done? | 15:02 |
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| cdent | gordc: yes | 15:02 |
| ildikov | I think it's over already | 15:02 |
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| gordc | i'm still seeing their topic above... oh well. let's go | 15:02 |
| gordc | #startmeeting ceilometer | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 2 15:02:49 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gordc. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ceilometer)" | 15:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer' | 15:02 |
| jasonamyers | o/ | 15:02 |
| cdent | o/ | 15:02 |
| fabiog | hi | 15:02 |
| idegtiarov | hi | 15:03 |
| ildikov | o/ | 15:03 |
| prad | o/ | 15:03 |
| gordc | #topic virtual Midcycle Meetup (https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ceilometer-liberty-midcycle-agenda) | 15:03 |
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| cdent | so | 15:03 |
| cdent | we did some vote gathering to figure out what topics people care about | 15:03 |
| cdent | that information is at | 15:03 |
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| cdent | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mKLlRtTUWEq62ZrIi4Xr7EoV7SwGUNPORa7yauXYCbk/edit#gid=0 | 15:04 |
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| cdent | we didn't get a ton of voters, so there's been some discussion if we should allow people who haven't voted to register some input on that list (there on the spreadsheet) | 15:04 |
| cdent | but we're not sure if that kills the process we wanted to have which was to register _committed_ interest as opposed to drive by interest | 15:05 |
| gordc | cdent: seems like the 'open' way... i'ver heard this open word used a ot | 15:05 |
| gordc | alot* | 15:05 |
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| jasonamyers | I missed all this this past week :( | 15:05 |
| llu-laptop | o/ | 15:06 |
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| jasonamyers | but that's the stuff I wanna see | 15:06 |
| cdent | the other main question on that list is where do we cut it off. is 2 votes enough to be in the schedule or should it be 3, or even 4 | 15:06 |
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| cdent | I think we should have a smaller number of quality sessions, rather than many sessions | 15:06 |
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| cdent | but I'd prefer it we make that decision here | 15:06 |
| _nadya_ | o/ | 15:07 |
| gordc | cdent: agreed | 15:07 |
| prad | to me 3+ is reasonable.. 2 == 1:1 discussion and can be done outside of meetup? | 15:07 |
| jasonamyers | I like 4+ but it cuts off the API one | 15:07 |
| jasonamyers | prad: ++ | 15:07 |
| cdent | for reference the topic definitions are here: | 15:07 |
| cdent | #link: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ceilometer-liberty-midcycle-agenda | 15:07 |
| gordc | i don't think we realistically could tackle even the 3 votes | 15:07 |
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| ildikov | cdent: it can be even 4, regarding to the number of topics IMHO | 15:07 |
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| gordc | jasonamyers: i just voted for api | 15:07 |
| cdent | cool, that soulds like something resembling a consensus | 15:07 |
| cdent | the next thing that we need is for people to review their votes on their time availability | 15:08 |
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| cdent | this the "what days" doodle poll: | 15:08 |
| cdent | #link http://doodle.com/6vfksdu38wcwqqd3 | 15:08 |
| cdent | this is the "what hours": | 15:08 |
| cdent | #link http://doodle.com/gzhumwaakrqds38h | 15:08 |
| gordc | cdent: we configured it to align with viewers timezone right? | 15:08 |
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| cdent | no, it is in UTC and it says so | 15:08 |
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| cdent | "Pick hours of the day (in UTC) that you are willing and able to be available for the virtual midcycle." | 15:09 |
| gordc | does not read above | 15:09 |
| * cdent does not give gordc a cookie | 15:09 | |
| ildikov | is this one day we are aiming for? | 15:09 |
| cdent | two | 15:09 |
| ildikov | ok | 15:09 |
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| cdent | when I was reviewing the data it seemed to make sense for a few of the topics to be split across the two days: get brains filled with ideas on day one, decide things on day two | 15:10 |
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| cdent | we don't have to do it that way but it seems like it could work well | 15:10 |
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| ildikov | if we can stick with fewer topics we can have room for that, I think | 15:10 |
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| ildikov | it sounds like a good idea to me | 15:10 |
| ildikov | maybe not specify the topic right now, just leave room for that | 15:11 |
| cdent | next question: if we find that we can make the time fit, is the beginning of next week okay or is that too soon, and we should set something like wednesday as the earliest possible start? | 15:11 |
| cdent | (or even later than that?) | 15:11 |
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| prad | if we can schedule the agenda based on interest(and TZs) it would be better .. vs open agenda | 15:12 |
| cdent | yes, there is _not_ going to be an open agenda | 15:12 |
| prad | good | 15:12 |
| gordc | cdent: i'm assuming holiday weekend will make people sluggish start of week | 15:12 |
| cdent | the entire purpose of doing this planning was to be able to have an in advance agenda | 15:12 |
| cdent | roger that gordc | 15:13 |
| gordc | cdent: that said, we don't have many americans... | 15:13 |
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| gordc | tuesday? | 15:13 |
| jasonamyers | I'm willing to do odd hours | 15:13 |
| prad | yea early next week is too soon i think.. i'm not planning on working this weekend, want to watch fireworks like gordc did in canada :) | 15:13 |
| cdent | if we start on tuesday that kills off jd__ unless he's will to change his schedule | 15:14 |
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| prad | wed+ works i think | 15:14 |
| jd__ | which Tuesday? | 15:14 |
| cdent | and since jd seems a requirement on two of the more popular topics he's holding power | 15:14 |
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| prad | gives us a day or two to prep | 15:14 |
| cdent | 7th and 8th | 15:14 |
| cdent | gordc claims to unavailable the 9th and 10th | 15:14 |
| cdent | (thursday and friday) | 15:14 |
| jd__ | really can't be there, I'll be on vacation | 15:14 |
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| cdent | gordc you have thursay friday flexibility? | 15:15 |
| prad | 16th, 17th ? | 15:15 |
| cdent | or jd__ you have flexibility 13, 14, 15? | 15:15 |
| ildikov | the hours doodle for me is not the same for all days, but I will do my best with parallel meetings | 15:15 |
| gordc | cdent: i'll be here for most part... probably not later in day but that doesn't affect euro people | 15:15 |
| jd__ | cdent: neither, vacation again :( | 15:15 |
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| ildikov | or 8-9 | 15:16 |
| jd__ | cdent: I really didn't lie in the poll :D | 15:16 |
| cdent | k so either 9/10 or 16/17 seem the best choices | 15:16 |
| ildikov | so we can have one day with each :) | 15:16 |
| prad | yep | 15:16 |
| cdent | jd__: everyone lies, all the time ;) | 15:16 |
| jd__ | cdent: hmmm that would make a good show | 15:16 |
| gordc | cdent: true story | 15:16 |
| cdent | ha! | 15:16 |
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| cdent | okay, let's put it this way: if anyone lied on the doodle, fix it | 15:17 |
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| jasonamyers | haha | 15:17 |
| gordc | cdent: you have original doodle for availability days? | 15:17 |
| cdent | and then prad and I will figure it out, using wednesday as the earliest possible date | 15:17 |
| prad | hehe | 15:17 |
| cdent | gordc I have no idea what you mean? | 15:17 |
| gordc | the doodle where everyone put what days they were availabile | 15:18 |
| prad | http://doodle.com/6vfksdu38wcwqqd3#table | 15:18 |
| cdent | that's what we're talking about | 15:18 |
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| ildikov | cdent: updated | 15:18 |
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| cdent | thanks | 15:18 |
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| _nadya_ | I have two entities of myself | 15:19 |
| ildikov | cdent: it does not mean I lied, when I first filled it :) | 15:19 |
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| jd__ | I lied I'm actually not there the 16th :> just fixed | 15:19 |
| ildikov | _nadya_: it shows an option to delete, if I saw correctly | 15:19 |
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| _nadya_ | ildikov: yep, fixed :) | 15:20 |
| jd__ | cdent: then maybe let's not try to have consecutive days? | 15:20 |
| prad | cdent, 9/10 looks promising to me.. most people are available | 15:20 |
| cdent | that would be fine jd__ if everyone is cool with that | 15:20 |
| ildikov | _nadya_: now we know that option works too :) | 15:20 |
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| jd__ | I'm cool with that | 15:20 |
| cdent | I was just worried that people might lose momentum or forget stuff or something | 15:20 |
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| cdent | I think I would probably prefer that | 15:20 |
| cdent | time to reflect | 15:20 |
| gordc | cdent: 9/10 seems best. | 15:20 |
| cdent | even though you claim to be gone | 15:21 |
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| gordc | my available didn't really reflect euro timezone | 15:21 |
| prad | i vote 9/10 unless jd__ cant make it | 15:21 |
| gordc | availibility | 15:21 |
| ildikov | cdent: maybe that's the reason :) | 15:21 |
| jd__ | 9/10 works for me | 15:21 |
| cdent | right let's run with it | 15:22 |
| cdent | because otherwise we'll be here all day | 15:22 |
| ildikov | cdent: +1 | 15:22 |
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| jasonamyers | +1 9/10 | 15:22 |
| gordc | cdent: yep | 15:22 |
| jd__ | #agreed 9/10 virt sprint yeah mojitos | 15:22 |
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| cdent | please update the other doodle poll as well, we don't need to discuss that part, we'll just use it for schedule: http://doodle.com/gzhumwaakrqds38h | 15:22 |
| cdent | and with that I think we can move on because we also: | 15:22 |
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| cdent | #agreed 4 is the cuttoff | 15:23 |
| cdent | thanks everyone | 15:23 |
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| ildikov | cdent: prad: thanks for all the prep | 15:23 |
| cdent | since prad will be bbq and beers tomorrow I'll either make some mail tomorrow or wait for him until monday and we'll send some mail | 15:23 |
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| gordc | cdent: cool cool. thanks to both of you for organising. | 15:24 |
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| llu-laptop | one question, which tool will us use? | 15:24 |
| prad | good point | 15:24 |
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| prad | does hangout work for everyone? | 15:25 |
| cdent | hangouts got the most votes | 15:25 |
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| gordc | it does not | 15:25 |
| prad | or should we setup blue jeans? | 15:25 |
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| prad | last i heard its blocked in china | 15:25 |
| cdent | webex got a "please no" | 15:25 |
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| jasonamyers | haha | 15:25 |
| jasonamyers | haters gonna hate | 15:25 |
| ildikov | hmm, it usually does not work for me from the office, but I will see whether I can do some hacks | 15:25 |
| prad | hehe | 15:25 |
| gordc | google is a pain in China. | 15:25 |
| cdent | from the redhat side of the house we can set up public bluejeans thingie | 15:25 |
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| _nadya_ | folks, are you sure about cutting func tests off? maybe one more vote :)? | 15:26 |
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| cdent | (I'd like to see it in) | 15:26 |
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| prad | yea we can setup bluejeans.. might not be the most open thing but it works i think | 15:26 |
| gordc | _nadya_: we can put '3' topics as 'if we have time' | 15:26 |
| llu-laptop | I can try hangout with VPN | 15:26 |
| llu-laptop | looks like bluejeans needs service fee? | 15:27 |
| cdent | we can schedule an initial "does any of this tech actually work session" | 15:27 |
| gordc | bluejeans is free | 15:27 |
| prad | llu-laptop, we can setup a publich session.. no fee | 15:27 |
| gordc | prad/cdent can one of you try it out with llu? | 15:27 |
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| prad | sure | 15:27 |
| gordc | cool cool. | 15:27 |
| _nadya_ | gordc: ok, maybe it's interesting only to our team indeed... | 15:28 |
| cdent | oh one more thing: if you feel like you would be a suitable facilitator/leader for topic, put yourself in the spreadsheet | 15:28 |
| cdent | thanks | 15:28 |
| gordc | _nadya_: i think it's more that we're all in agreement of it. :) if there's things to discuss than we can bump it up | 15:29 |
| ildikov | _nadya_: does it need more discussion or more hands to actually do it? | 15:29 |
| cdent | if we close up this topic in the next minute we'll be the winners of the internet | 15:29 |
| prad | :) | 15:29 |
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| _nadya_ | let it be the first in queue 'if we have time', ok? | 15:30 |
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| cdent | (somebody already pushed it over the 4 vote limit) | 15:30 |
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| cdent | so it's in there | 15:30 |
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| gordc | cdent: your open google sheet is flawed.lol... lock it down. | 15:31 |
| _nadya_ | ok, so I have to prepare a show for it :) | 15:31 |
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| cdent | dood, man, you said you wanted some open man, I was all like "Lemme be a fascist" and you were all "cool your jets goose" | 15:31 |
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| gordc | _nadya_: ppt, cdent requests it. | 15:32 |
| idegtiarov | cdent, it was me i missed to vote for it earlier | 15:32 |
| cdent | idegtiarov++ | 15:32 |
| gordc | cdent: yeah, true. i give you permission to take absolute control... that ends well always. | 15:32 |
| llu-laptop | just tried, hangout works on my VPN. but no objection to bluejeans either | 15:32 |
| gordc | llu-laptop: it works... for now.lol | 15:32 |
| ildikov | hangouts always disconnects on my laptop periodically | 15:33 |
| gordc | let's try hangouts i guess and fall back on bluejeans if needed and then fall back on no visual/audio of llu... | 15:33 |
| ildikov | although we can start with one and have the other as fall-back | 15:33 |
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| * cdent nods | 15:33 | |
| ildikov | gordc: snap :) | 15:33 |
| gordc | great minds... | 15:33 |
| gordc | or slow minds... | 15:34 |
| ildikov | gordc: my vote is on the first one :) | 15:34 |
| llu-laptop | gordc: good plan :) | 15:34 |
| gordc | any other questions regarding midcycle? | 15:35 |
| cdent | WHO IS BRINGING THE SNACKS | 15:35 |
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| jasonamyers | I'll ship cookies to everyone who gives me a mailing address | 15:35 |
| ildikov | is there a chance to decide on the M one regarding dates before Aug 17? | 15:35 |
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| gordc | allergies? | 15:35 |
| prad | jasonamyers, beers? | 15:36 |
| jasonamyers | ildikov: I'd love to do that | 15:36 |
| jasonamyers | prad: I don't drink | 15:36 |
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| ildikov | jasonamyers: cool :) | 15:36 |
| gordc | jasonamyers: we have a doodle up? | 15:36 |
| jasonamyers | yes | 15:36 |
| ildikov | shouldn't we have a Doodle as a Service? | 15:36 |
| * gordc will give headsup. i'm not sure i'm available all of early dec | 15:36 | |
| jasonamyers | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ceilometer/M*_Mid-Cycle | 15:36 |
| jasonamyers | I'm game for late november it's just hard to miss turkey time | 15:37 |
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| jasonamyers | which might only be a US thing | 15:37 |
| ildikov | gordc: not all of or none of? | 15:37 |
| janonymous | o/ | 15:37 |
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| gordc | ildikov: none of? i tend to take holiday around early dec. | 15:38 |
| ildikov | gordc: usually me too | 15:38 |
| cdent | I'm unclear on the constraints: Is January too late? Also, is Msummit coming early this year? | 15:38 |
| ildikov | gordc: but understood | 15:39 |
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| prad | this is Dublin or Paris? | 15:39 |
| ildikov | cdent: I guess we are trying hard to avoid the it's too late in the cycle issue | 15:39 |
| jasonamyers | eglynn said we should do before jan | 15:39 |
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| jasonamyers | prad dublin | 15:39 |
| gordc | cdent: i don't think it's too late but i guess it links back to reason why we scrapped this midcycle. | 15:40 |
| cdent | ildikov: yeah that's what I assumed just wanted to be clear | 15:40 |
| cdent | let's all skip summit, and just go to a midcyle in early november :) | 15:40 |
| jasonamyers | okay | 15:40 |
| * jasonamyers isn't gonna make tokyo | 15:41 | |
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| gordc | let's see how the doodle plays out for decemeber. if we have nothing we might as well try for january... and then we can always do virtual one again | 15:42 |
| ildikov | I think early Jan can work too | 15:42 |
| jasonamyers | I can do a hosted on in Jan | 15:43 |
| jasonamyers | I wanna make sure we get together once a year | 15:43 |
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| gordc | jasonamyers: yeah, that'd be good. | 15:43 |
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| ildikov | jasonamyers: +1 | 15:43 |
| gordc | #action vote on december doodle for now (http://doodle.com/hmukqwzvq7b54cef) | 15:43 |
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| ildikov | check back on the Doodle next week and decide whether it's Dec or Jan? | 15:44 |
| gordc | ildikov: 2 weeks? we won't have meeting next week because of midcycle | 15:44 |
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| ildikov | gordc: yeap, two weeks is fine too, forgot about 9th is Thursday | 15:45 |
| gordc | ildikov: cool cool. we'll see then | 15:45 |
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| gordc | other midcycle comments? | 15:45 |
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| jasonamyers | there will be COOKIES! | 15:46 |
| gordc | #topic gnocchi status | 15:47 |
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| * cdent cookiecoptrs | 15:47 | |
| gordc | jasonamyers: no raisins | 15:47 |
| gordc | jd__: cdent: anything? | 15:47 |
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| cdent | not really; jd__ has been on aodh and I've been on devstack plugin stuff and the previous topic | 15:47 |
| cdent | there have been some fixes and such but nothing revolutionary | 15:48 |
| gordc | cdent: cool. next! | 15:48 |
| _nadya_ | we continue active work on InfluxDB driver | 15:48 |
| cdent | there's some progress on influxdb, but not ready yet | 15:48 |
| gordc | _nadya_: awesome. any blockers we need to raise to pauldix? | 15:48 |
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| jd__ | what cdent said | 15:48 |
| ityaptin | gordc: release 0.9.0 have some critical failing from the rest requests, but first versions of 0.9.1 looks better | 15:49 |
| _nadya_ | gordc: IlyaT is managing with blockers using different hacks :) | 15:49 |
| _nadya_ | cdent: are you working on influx driver too? | 15:50 |
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| gordc | ityaptin: cool cool. let me know if you need anything prioritised. pauldix seemed receptive to prioritising the issues we run into | 15:50 |
| cdent | _nadya_: no, I was trying to give an overview of everything I was aware of including what ityaptin is up to | 15:50 |
| _nadya_ | cdent: ok! | 15:50 |
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| gordc | #topic open discussion | 15:51 |
| ityaptin | gordc: ok, cool! I have some suggestions for InfluxDb team) | 15:51 |
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| _nadya_ | btw, I've started alarming on Influx. looks optimistic | 15:51 |
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| gordc | ityaptin: kk. maybe we can forward him a list of suggestions. | 15:52 |
| gordc | i jumped the gun on topic change. but i guess this falls into open discussion as well | 15:52 |
| ityaptin | gordc: Good! I prepare they to the start of next week) | 15:53 |
| gordc | ityaptin: awesome. | 15:53 |
| gordc | any other topics? or we can end this 5-6 min early. | 15:54 |
| rjaiswal | Would appreciate more eyes on reloadable pipeline review - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190842/ | 15:54 |
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| ityaptin | Folks, how do you think, will we ends work on API V3 to end of a liberty cycle? | 15:54 |
| gordc | rjaiswal: will take a second look today. | 15:55 |
| ityaptin | I looked into our UI in Horizon and was scared | 15:55 |
| gordc | ityaptin: we won't implement it... but we can start to plan it. | 15:55 |
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| gordc | ityaptin: because they are using it incorrectly? | 15:55 |
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| ityaptin | Yep) but in some place our api do not provide requirement functionality | 15:56 |
| ildikov | ityaptin: it's impossible to get it implemented for Liberty, but we surely need to start design it for M | 15:56 |
| ityaptin | ildikov, I'm agree with it | 15:56 |
| ildikov | ityaptin: there were some queries and statistics they wanted to do but there wasn't a good way with our API IIRC, are youreferring to smth similar? | 15:57 |
| gordc | ityaptin: i'm not sure there's any logic/use case to what horizon does with ceilometer. it's just hitting available apis blindly it seems | 15:57 |
| rjaiswal | Thanks gordc, wishing for more participation:) | 15:57 |
| ityaptin | gordc, for example, I think Horzion UI need a Api endpoint for querying stats filtered by some same fields (n resource ids in query for example) | 15:57 |
| gordc | maybe we need a liason for ceilometer/horizon | 15:58 |
| ildikov | gordc: probably | 15:58 |
| gordc | ityaptin: this is a gap in our current api or something horizon doesn't do? | 15:58 |
| ildikov | gordc: we could start with the question whether anyone complained about the Ceilo UI | 15:58 |
| ityaptin | gordc: our api | 15:59 |
| gordc | ityaptin: ok. maybe open a bug for it. | 15:59 |
| ildikov | gordc: just to see how much it is used at the moment | 15:59 |
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| gordc | ildikov: i don't think anyone uses horizon ceilometer interface... it was pretty non-sensical last time i looked at it. | 15:59 |
| _nadya_ | ildikov: it's just not used I guess | 15:59 |
| gordc | carry on in main channel... times up | 16:00 |
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| gordc | thanks folks | 16:00 |
| gordc | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 2 16:00:12 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2015/ceilometer.2015-07-02-15.02.html | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2015/ceilometer.2015-07-02-15.02.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ceilometer/2015/ceilometer.2015-07-02-15.02.log.html | 16:00 |
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| ildikov | then we can plan something better on top of v3 IMHO | 16:00 |
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| ildikov | but let's discuss it another time :) | 16:00 |
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| mtreinish | #startmeeting qa | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 2 17:01:01 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mtreinish. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 17:01 |
| mtreinish | hi, who's here today? | 17:01 |
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| janonymous_ | o/ | 17:01 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Proposed_Agenda_for_July_2nd_2015_.281700_UTC.29 | 17:01 |
| mtreinish | ^^^ Today's agenda | 17:01 |
| dtroyer | o/ | 17:01 |
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| cdent | o/ | 17:01 |
| afazekas | o/ | 17:02 |
| mtreinish | andreaf, mkoderer, jordanP: around? | 17:02 |
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| mtreinish | ok, let's get started | 17:03 |
| mtreinish | #topic Specs Reviews | 17:03 |
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| mtreinish | are there any currently open spec reviews to discuss today? | 17:03 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/qa-specs,n,z | 17:04 |
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| dpaterson | o/ | 17:04 |
| mtreinish | it looks like oomichi pused a couple of updates to approved specs, they should be quick reviews when people get a chance | 17:04 |
| mtreinish | other than that it doesn't look like anything has really changed on that list | 17:05 |
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| dpaterson | mtreinish: I am actively working on CLI and should be pushing initial review next week | 17:05 |
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| mtreinish | let's move on then | 17:06 |
| mtreinish | #topic Blueprints | 17:06 |
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| mtreinish | dpaterson: oh, I actually kinda kicked the tires on that already: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest+branch:master+topic:bp/tempest-cli-improvements,n,z | 17:06 |
| mtreinish | I took what you had and made the base endpoint patch | 17:06 |
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| mtreinish | and then started building the init and run commands on top of that | 17:06 |
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| dpaterson | mtreinish: cool will check it out. | 17:06 |
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| mtreinish | dpaterson: most of the spec like converting the existing entry-points, etc still needs to be done | 17:07 |
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| mtreinish | but the base entrypoint was a blocker for a few things | 17:07 |
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| mtreinish | ok, are there any other open bps to discuss today? | 17:08 |
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| mtreinish | I put one more on the agenda but I'll give everyone else a chance first :) | 17:08 |
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| mtreinish | well I guess no one else has a bp to discuss today :) | 17:10 |
| mtreinish | the other one I wanted to bring up was the tempest plugin interface: | 17:10 |
| mtreinish | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest+branch:master+topic:bp/external-plugin-interface,n,z | 17:10 |
| mtreinish | I have started working on patches to add it | 17:10 |
| mtreinish | it's still early though I haven't bothered to test that any of it works yet. (although in my head it should) | 17:11 |
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| mtreinish | but that's the basic idea I was starting with | 17:11 |
| mtreinish | it already differs a bit with what I had in the spec, but not too much | 17:11 |
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| mtreinish | the next step will be docs to explain what's there | 17:13 |
| mtreinish | then I hope to prototype a plugin with mkoderer using manila | 17:13 |
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| mtreinish | that's really all I had for blueprints today, if there's nothing else let's move on | 17:14 |
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| mtreinish | #topic Devstack | 17:15 |
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| mtreinish | dtroyer: so what's new in devstack-land tm | 17:15 |
| dtroyer | a couple of things | 17:16 |
| dtroyer | the move of sahara to external plugin is in the gate ATM, as is the support for lifeless constraints in pip | 17:16 |
| mtreinish | cool | 17:17 |
| mtreinish | how many things to convert to plugins does that leave us with now? :) | 17:18 |
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| cdent | I've got the same pending for ceilometer, but I'm mildly stuck | 17:18 |
| cdent | mostly because I'm ignorant, so I'm sure I can be pushed over the hump pretty easily | 17:18 |
| dtroyer | four or five left | 17:18 |
| mtreinish | cdent: what's the issue? although I guess we can pick this up post-meeting | 17:18 |
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| mtreinish | dtroyer: oh, that's less than I thought | 17:19 |
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| dtroyer | cdent: do you have review(s) up? | 17:19 |
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| cdent | Yeah, I don't think we need to talk about it now, just wanted to flag that it was in progress. There's a stack of related reviews (for grenade too): https://review.openstack.org/#/q/owner:%22chdent%22+AND+(project:openstack-dev/devstack+OR+project:openstack-dev/grenade)+AND+status:open,n,z | 17:19 |
| cdent | (one of those is not related) | 17:19 |
| dtroyer | also in progress is a series of patches to switch to using only Identity v3 | 17:20 |
| dtroyer | at some point we'll make v2 off the default | 17:20 |
| cdent | \o/ | 17:20 |
| mtreinish | dtroyer: oh, the ones from samueldmq I thought we had landed those already, or something else? | 17:20 |
| mtreinish | dtroyer: cool, that'll be great | 17:21 |
| dtroyer | this is jamielennox's set | 17:21 |
| mtreinish | oh, ok | 17:21 |
| dtroyer | changing all of the OSC commands to use v3 | 17:21 |
| mtreinish | ah, gotcha | 17:21 |
| dtroyer | ianw found some side effects to those too | 17:22 |
| dtroyer | the last bit is sdague nuke-all-but-rabbitmq patch is up too | 17:22 |
| dtroyer | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/192154/ | 17:22 |
| samueldmq | dtroyer: mtreinish yes, in fact, the work jamielennox is doing uses that v3 gate | 17:22 |
| samueldmq | dtroyer: mtreinish patches start here I think https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186681/ | 17:22 |
| mtreinish | samueldmq: ah ok, it all comes full circle now :) | 17:23 |
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| samueldmq | :) | 17:23 |
| mtreinish | dtroyer: want me to +A it? | 17:23 |
| dtroyer | it has 2 +2 but I wanted to give opportunity for one last pause after the commotion it sirred up a while back | 17:23 |
| dtroyer | go ahead | 17:23 |
| dtroyer | since I wasn't around for most of that | 17:24 |
| mtreinish | dtroyer: well I think it's been settled now | 17:24 |
| mtreinish | since sdague demonstrated how simple the plugin was | 17:24 |
| mtreinish | but I'm sure SpamapS will still say something :) | 17:24 |
| dtroyer | that's it from me | 17:25 |
| mtreinish | ok, does anyone else have anything to discuss on devstack? | 17:25 |
| SpamapS | err, I said +1 didn't I? | 17:25 |
| mtreinish | SpamapS: oh, heh I didn't even look | 17:25 |
| * cdent must dash | 17:25 | |
| * cdent waves | 17:25 | |
| mtreinish | I just assumed you'd have something to say :) | 17:25 |
| mtreinish | cdent: o/ | 17:25 |
| dtroyer | he did! ;) | 17:25 |
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| mtreinish | ok, let's move on | 17:27 |
| mtreinish | #topic Grenade | 17:27 |
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| mtreinish | dtroyer: anything new for grenade this week? | 17:27 |
| dtroyer | not much action there, some cleanups and work cdent just mentioned for celio | 17:28 |
| dtroyer | he grenade part of the sahara move is also in the gate | 17:28 |
| mtreinish | cool | 17:28 |
| dtroyer | dansmith just posted a change to do the nova flavor migration _before_ the upgrade step happens. | 17:28 |
| mtreinish | I thought we were already doing that in the runs | 17:29 |
| mtreinish | oh before, nm | 17:29 |
| dtroyer | it's a departure from the usual flow and it's all new to me so I'd like to get some other eyes on it. sdague in particular when he is back | 17:29 |
| dansmith | it's actually part of sdague's plan AFAICT, | 17:29 |
| dtroyer | maybe? it was new to me | 17:29 |
| dansmith | it just was never called from any of the plugins | 17:29 |
| dansmith | and I think that's because he throws a warning if there is nothing to do | 17:29 |
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| mtreinish | dtroyer: ok, I'll take a look | 17:29 |
| dtroyer | I haven't been paying that close of attention to it for a little while | 17:29 |
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| mtreinish | yeah he kinda changed the workflow a bit | 17:30 |
| mtreinish | oh, I guess it's worth pointing out the multi-node grenade stuff that jogo was starting before he abandoned us is still sitting there | 17:31 |
| mtreinish | we have multi-node smoke non-voting jobs on several projects now | 17:31 |
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| mtreinish | those were supposed to give us an idea of how far away multi-node grenade would be (from a gating perspective) | 17:31 |
| mtreinish | although I don't think the jobs are working right now | 17:31 |
| mtreinish | so probably not the best sign | 17:31 |
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| mtreinish | some one needs to pick that up since jogo kinda dropped it on the floor | 17:32 |
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| mtreinish | ok, is there anything else on grenade? | 17:34 |
| dtroyer | not from me | 17:34 |
| mtreinish | ok then let's move on | 17:34 |
| mtreinish | #topic Bugs | 17:34 |
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| mtreinish | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Tempest-bug-report | 17:35 |
| mtreinish | does anyone have anything to discuss about bugs this week? | 17:35 |
| mtreinish | I guess not :) | 17:36 |
| mtreinish | then let's move on | 17:36 |
| mtreinish | #topic Critical Reviews | 17:37 |
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| mtreinish | so does anyone have any reviews that they'd like to get additional eyes on? | 17:37 |
| dpaterson | yes | 17:37 |
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| dpaterson | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191978/ | 17:37 |
| dpaterson | dkranz had already given +2 but then I got a merge conflict from another patch so need to to another round | 17:38 |
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| mtreinish | dtroyer: ok, cool. test-accounts aware cleanup | 17:38 |
| mtreinish | I'll take a look | 17:38 |
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| mtreinish | are there any others? | 17:39 |
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| mtreinish | ok I guess not | 17:41 |
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| mtreinish | I guess let's open the floor | 17:41 |
| mtreinish | #topic Open Discussion | 17:41 |
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| mtreinish | does anyone have a topic to discuss which wasn't on the agenda? | 17:42 |
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| mtreinish | ok, I guess not | 17:44 |
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| mtreinish | if there's nothing else I guess let's end the meeting here today | 17:44 |
| mtreinish | thanks everyone | 17:44 |
| mtreinish | #endmeeting | 17:45 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 2 17:45:00 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2015/qa.2015-07-02-17.01.html | 17:45 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2015/qa.2015-07-02-17.01.txt | 17:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2015/qa.2015-07-02-17.01.log.html | 17:45 |
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| dtroyer | Good <time-of-day-in-your-timezone> everyone, anyone here for OSC? | 19:00 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 19:00 |
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| dtroyer | ping stevemar, briancurtin, terrylhowe, lhcheng, sigmavirus24 | 19:01 |
| terrylhowe | o/ | 19:01 |
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| briancurtin | hello | 19:01 |
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| stevemar | o/ | 19:02 |
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| stevemar | dtroyer: i gotta head out half way through the meeting, i'm technically not even here | 19:02 |
| * sigmavirus24 can't make it, sorry | 19:02 | |
| dtroyer | #startmeeting OpenStackClient | 19:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 2 19:02:40 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dtroyer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStackClient)" | 19:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstackclient' | 19:02 |
| dtroyer | stevemar: np, I didn't write an agenda so it may be short anyway | 19:02 |
| dtroyer | We can do the usual stuff real quick though… | 19:03 |
| dtroyer | #topic bugs | 19:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "bugs (Meeting topic: OpenStackClient)" | 19:03 | |
| dtroyer | any bugs that need attention from the group? | 19:03 |
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| stevemar | gorram reavers, i gotta go, sorry | 19:04 |
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| stevemar | theres a new bug filed today taht needs triaging | 19:04 |
| dtroyer | stevemar: np, talk to you soon | 19:05 |
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| dtroyer | looks like https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+bug/1470875 | 19:05 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1470875 in python-openstackclient "Add support for showing aggregates in an hypervisor's properties" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to David Moreau Simard (dmsimard) | 19:05 |
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| dtroyer | that looks to be a straightforward enhancement, if the python API for it is exposed | 19:06 |
| dtroyer | in general the bug list needs some grooming. maybe good stuff for during a late night staff meeting… ;) | 19:07 |
| terrylhowe | it was working for me, but I have no aggregates on my devstack atm | 19:08 |
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| terrylhowe | it wasn’t blowing up is what I mean | 19:08 |
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| dtroyer | good to know. maybe we should keep some local.conf files around for testing various configurations? | 19:08 |
| dtroyer | I don't know I've ever done an aggregate in devstack other than what the exercises do (did) | 19:09 |
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| terrylhowe | it might be nice to have gates with different local.confs or a couple local.confs checcked into the docs | 19:10 |
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| dtroyer | I'm not sure how far we want to take that in our own jobs, it might explode. a growing part of osc gets exercised on every devstack run now so we'll at least have that coverage | 19:11 |
| terrylhowe | fair enough | 19:12 |
| dtroyer | but not things like aggregates and cells | 19:12 |
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| dtroyer | can we do any of that in our functional testing without adding jobs? ie, reconfigure a running devstack and still ahve a valid test setup? since we care about the client I'm thinking we might be able to do that | 19:13 |
| janonymous_ | o/ | 19:13 |
| dtroyer | we don't have to answer that now | 19:13 |
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| dtroyer | any more bugs to raise? | 19:14 |
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| dtroyer | ok, moving on | 19:15 |
| dtroyer | #topic reviews | 19:15 |
| dtroyer | how about any reviews for attention? | 19:15 |
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| dtroyer | I had a question on https://review.openstack.org/183324 | 19:16 |
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| dtroyer | it adds an update command, which we don't currently use. a) is save or set useable theere and b) do we even want this? | 19:17 |
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| terrylhowe | I’d really like to see cloud show and cloud list with that | 19:17 |
| terrylhowe | or another patch with list and show | 19:17 |
| dtroyer | I have a slight aversion to mucking about with config files, especially ones we don't 'own' as it is potentially shared with other clients | 19:17 |
| dtroyer | terrylhowe: agreed those would be useful | 19:17 |
| terrylhowe | well, show and list would be read only at least | 19:18 |
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| terrylhowe | OSC is in a good position to do updates since it supports the env and command line args | 19:18 |
| terrylhowe | it would be handy to have a create that would just stuff whatever is in the current env | 19:18 |
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| dtroyer | I suppose if OSC is the first thing to do that we'll 'de facto be the owners of it | 19:19 |
| dtroyer | is 'cluod' the right object name? should it be 'cloud config'? | 19:20 |
| dtroyer | err, 'cloud' | 19:20 |
| dtroyer | I'll add that to the review and we can go from there. the additional commands can be a follow-up | 19:21 |
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| terrylhowe | config might be better | 19:21 |
| dtroyer | that's how we've been describing it informally | 19:22 |
| terrylhowe | ‘cloud config’ is fine though, not sure if there is going to be another type of config | 19:22 |
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| dtroyer | there may not be, but I think cloud config is consistent with how the entire concept has been described | 19:23 |
| dtroyer | terrylhowe: is the only thing holding up that functional test chain a second +2? | 19:23 |
| terrylhowe | no, I’ve been meaning to go through them and make sure they are all g2g | 19:24 |
| dtroyer | ok, np | 19:25 |
| terrylhowe | on the functional tests for the SDK I had some problems when I merged a bunch at once and they interfered with one another | 19:25 |
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| terrylhowe | causing intermittent failures | 19:25 |
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| terrylhowe | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/185193/ | 19:26 |
| terrylhowe | this interests me because it seems like there is limited access to some identity stuff on public urls that normally get admin urls | 19:26 |
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| dtroyer | right. I think there are some changes wrt v3 that I'd like to make sure this isn't going to cause us back-compat pain down the road, otherwise it's in good shape | 19:27 |
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| dtroyer | I'd like to get stevemar's blessing on it yet | 19:28 |
| terrylhowe | I just added him as a reviewer | 19:28 |
| dtroyer | the changes to the make_client() functions caught my eye, but that'll all go away with the sdk so I can live with it | 19:28 |
| terrylhowe | lots of variations | 19:29 |
| dtroyer | any other reviews? | 19:30 |
| terrylhowe | nothing comes to mind | 19:30 |
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| dtroyer | #topic open discussion | 19:30 |
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| dtroyer | anything else? we may be getting close to another release, there s a nice list of new stuff to brag about | 19:31 |
| dtroyer | is David's QoS bits complete? | 19:32 |
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| terrylhowe | I think so | 19:32 |
| dtroyer | also, what's his nick? | 19:32 |
| terrylhowe | be nice to have some basic functional tests for those | 19:32 |
| terrylhowe | no idea on his nick | 19:33 |
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| dtroyer | ok, the other thing I wanted to mention is that I'm sketching up a conference proposal for OSC, would like to talk about (and have at least a demo of) the sdk integration, among other things… | 19:35 |
| dtroyer | terrylhowe, briancurtin: are you guys planning a talk in Tokyo? | 19:35 |
| briancurtin | dtroyer: i'm not, at least not right now | 19:35 |
| dtroyer | ok. just wanted to make sure we didn't overlap too much if you were | 19:36 |
| terrylhowe | SDK integration I will have space for soon. I’d like for us to cut a new SDK release first | 19:36 |
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| dtroyer | terrylhowe: cool. I don't know yet if we should think about a feature branch for that or just pick it up when it's ready | 19:37 |
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| terrylhowe | I wanted to take a look at OSC plugins next week. I have been messing with SDK plugins this week. | 19:37 |
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| dtroyer | so a project could handle both in their client package? | 19:37 |
| terrylhowe | I think so | 19:38 |
| terrylhowe | I did a very simple DNSaaS plugin | 19:39 |
| dtroyer | I think that would make like better for projects if we can make that work | 19:40 |
| dtroyer | ok, anything else? | 19:42 |
| terrylhowe | nothing here | 19:42 |
| dtroyer | ok then, let's call it. | 19:43 |
| dtroyer | thanks everyone | 19:43 |
| dtroyer | #endmeeting | 19:43 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 2 19:43:35 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2015/openstackclient.2015-07-02-19.02.html | 19:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2015/openstackclient.2015-07-02-19.02.txt | 19:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2015/openstackclient.2015-07-02-19.02.log.html | 19:43 |
| terrylhowe | thanks | 19:43 |
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| mikal | #startmeeting nova | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jul 2 21:00:03 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mikal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:00 |
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| alaski | o/ | 21:00 |
| mriedem | hi | 21:00 |
| mikal | abhishekk mikal tjones cburgess jgrimm adrian_otto funzo mjturek jcookekhugen irina_pov krtaylor danpb alexpilotti flip214 jaypipes gilliard garyk edleafe dims moshele anteaya Nisha sileht claudiub lxsli neiljerram markus_z swamireddy alevine tonyb andreykurilin ndipanov sc68cal akuriata artom jlvillal mnestratov kashyap aloga rgeragnov: ping | 21:00 |
| beagles | o/ | 21:00 |
| tpatil | o/ | 21:00 |
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| dansmith | o/* <-- holding a firework | 21:00 |
| alex_xu | o/ | 21:00 |
| sc68cal | o/ | 21:00 |
| mikal | Heh | 21:00 |
| melwitt_ | o/ | 21:00 |
| sc68cal | dansmith: heh | 21:00 |
| tjones1 | o/ | 21:00 |
| mikal | So, I am under orders to keep this short so the Americans can go and blow stuff up | 21:00 |
| mikal | So let's do that thing | 21:00 |
| llu-laptop | o/ | 21:00 |
| dansmith | hehe | 21:00 |
| mikal | #topic Release Status | 21:00 |
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| mikal | July 16 is non-priority feature proposal freeze | 21:01 |
| mikal | Which as well as being a mouthful means if you are working on a non-priority non-bug fix, the code needs to be proposed by then | 21:01 |
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| mikal | We're also working through spec freeze exception requests, for which there is an etherpad | 21:01 |
| mikal | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-spec-freeze-exceptions | 21:01 |
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| mikal | We're under orders to discuss blocked spec freeze exceptions here | 21:02 |
| * mikal scans the etherpad | 21:02 | |
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| mikal | Its not clear to me how blocked is defined in this context | 21:02 |
| mikal | Thoughts people? | 21:03 |
| dansmith | I honestly wasn't sure there was anything going on in there other than proposals | 21:03 |
| mikal | Yeah, I thought this was people asking for review "votes" | 21:03 |
| mikal | There is a lot there, which is a bit scary | 21:03 |
| dansmith | I guess john +2'd something in there | 21:03 |
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| mikal | So, I guess take a look at the listed reviews ASAP | 21:04 |
| mikal | And we can discuss them in gerrit as required | 21:04 |
| dansmith | I see precisely one vote for one thing | 21:04 |
| alaski | is there an exception deadline? | 21:04 |
| dansmith | aside from anonymous +1s | 21:04 |
| dansmith | alaski: today | 21:04 |
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| alaski | for voting, or proposing? | 21:04 |
| claudiub|2 | o/ | 21:04 |
| mikal | alaski: final review is "tomorrow" according to the agenda | 21:04 |
| alaski | ahh, okay | 21:04 |
| mikal | So yes, I guess the close of this week | 21:04 |
| dansmith | I thought it was Jul 2? | 21:04 |
| mikal | Which kind of sucks for Americans | 21:04 |
| mikal | dansmith: I just obey the agenda... Not sure if its been extended deliberately or not. | 21:05 |
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| mikal | Unless anyone wants to discuss a specific proposal I think we should move on? | 21:05 |
| tpatil | I would like to discuss about Improving performance of UnShelve API specs | 21:05 |
| mikal | And promise to just keep reviewing during gaps in our Freedom Explosions? | 21:05 |
| dansmith | Ideally we would have all spec exceptions voted on by 2nd July, and | 21:05 |
| dansmith | from the email ^ | 21:05 |
| dansmith | so today is the proposal deadline | 21:06 |
| dansmith | tomorrow is the merge deadline I guess | 21:06 |
| alex_xu | I hope get some review for custom cpu model https://review.openstack.org/#/c/168982/, it already get agreement on the direction, just need some review | 21:06 |
| mikal | tpatil: what's the review URL? | 21:06 |
| tpatil | #link : I would like to discuss about Improving performance of UnShelve API specs | 21:06 |
| tpatil | sorry | 21:06 |
| dansmith | the shelve things are really not in the critical path, IMHO | 21:06 |
| tpatil | #link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/135387/13 | 21:06 |
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| tpatil | we have been trying to get this thing from last release cycle | 21:07 |
| dansmith | alex_xu: I don't think I'd characterize that as "agreed on direction" | 21:07 |
| tpatil | I would appreciate if it's consider for this release cycle atleast | 21:07 |
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| tpatil | considered | 21:07 |
| alex_xu | dansmith: emm...no...how can I get agreed on that | 21:07 |
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| mikal | tpatil: well, it has been considered right? I see heaps of discussion on it in gerrit | 21:08 |
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| mikal | tpatil: so much in fact that I can't immediately see what the current concerns are | 21:08 |
| dansmith | alex_xu: the last reviewer was me on Jun 24.. I guess it feels to me like it's a sticky situation and there isn't a lot of real support for it :/ | 21:08 |
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| tpatil | mikal: right, we have addressed alaski's concern in PS 13. | 21:08 |
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| tpatil | Want people to review specs and give some feedback | 21:09 |
| alaski | I will review the shelving one again before I leave today | 21:09 |
| tpatil | Thanks, alaski | 21:09 |
| mikal | alaski: thanks | 21:09 |
| mikal | I'll read it too | 21:09 |
| alex_xu | dansmith: emm...I think all the reviewer think we need abstract cpu capabilities, that is the direction we agreed? The rest is how to implement it. | 21:09 |
| mikal | Its already on the request for exception list, so we should be doing that thing anyways | 21:09 |
| tpatil | Thanks, mikal | 21:09 |
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| llu-laptop | spec 'Add new API to list compute node metric names' wants reviews. It was discussed during Vancouver summit and take-out then was to wait for Jay Pipe's input. Now Jay has given his +1 on this spec. | 21:09 |
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| tpatil | mikal: great | 21:10 |
| llu-laptop | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/180049/ | 21:10 |
| dansmith | alex_xu: I'm not so sure about that | 21:10 |
| melwitt_ | the service group api spec had a lot of discussion and has one +2 already so I was thinking probably that one is good to go | 21:10 |
| mikal | llu-laptop: ahhh, API ones are interesting in that the freeze might not apply if its a bug fix | 21:10 |
| mikal | llu-laptop: but this one looks like a feature to me? | 21:10 |
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| malini | @dansmith, there is a need for cpu-info, an improvement on what is there today, pave the way for something better | 21:10 |
| llu-laptop | mikal: it's not a bug fix, it's adding new api | 21:10 |
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| malini | In Kilo it was heavily debated, if there is improvement and a plan to make it robust, better than analysis paralysis | 21:11 |
| mikal | llu-laptop: can you address Jay's nits, and I'll add it to the list I try to review today | 21:11 |
| llu-laptop | mikal: sure | 21:12 |
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| dansmith | mikal: that one is pretty small, | 21:12 |
| dansmith | mikal: and probably the best candidate I've seen so far | 21:12 |
| malini | Alex_xu, Chris (windriver) and others at Intel really are working towards addressing concerns and making this happen | 21:12 |
| mikal | dansmith: cool, I havne't read it yet to be hoenst | 21:12 |
| malini | we need your help | 21:12 |
| mikal | So yeah, we have a list of these things | 21:12 |
| mikal | And specs-core is meant to be reviewing based on that list | 21:12 |
| mikal | And all the ones that have been brought up are correctly listed | 21:13 |
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| mikal | So I feel like we just need to give the process more time to do those reviews? | 21:13 |
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| beagles | I'd like to point out https://review.openstack.org/#/c/193668/ - judging by the notes on the etherpad there may have been conversations or decisions on this already that I'm not aware of | 21:13 |
| dansmith | this one terrifies me, | 21:14 |
| dansmith | in that it's big, complicated, cross-project, and very very new | 21:14 |
| mikal | beagles: I am unaware of any such conversations, but that doesn't mean they didn't happen | 21:14 |
| * beagles nods | 21:15 | |
| dansmith | but, I think it's also something that will mostly be not a nova thing until the end when we go try to merge nova changes to use it | 21:15 |
| mikal | If that one is big and complicated its it a good candidate for discussion at the mid-cycle? | 21:15 |
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| mikal | Sorry, is it? | 21:15 |
| dansmith | well, midcycle is too late | 21:15 |
| mikal | The bits outside nova are already done? | 21:15 |
| mriedem | the library can always be worked as POC on the side | 21:15 |
| dansmith | no | 21:15 |
| dansmith | mikal: this has only been a thought for like 1.5 weeks or so | 21:15 |
| dansmith | mikal: jaypipes rage-coded something over a weekend | 21:16 |
| mikal | Yeah, so it seems premature to be landing the nova bits then | 21:16 |
| dansmith | to go with the spec | 21:16 |
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| mriedem | it's also neutron changes | 21:16 |
| dansmith | right, it's just a large scope | 21:16 |
| dansmith | so like I said above, | 21:16 |
| beagles | yeah... it's kind of tough. We *could* say land one side and then the next but that worries me | 21:16 |
| beagles | it isn't really done until both sides work | 21:17 |
| dansmith | the library work seems like it could go and and mature this cycle and the spec is actually for M to make nova _use_ it | 21:17 |
| dansmith | s/and the/and then the/ | 21:17 |
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| mikal | Yeah, that's kind of what I meant by the mid-cycle thing | 21:17 |
| mikal | If this is happening outside nova, and aimed at M | 21:17 |
| dansmith | mikal: cool, I thought you meant midcycle for discussion of the spec | 21:17 |
| mikal | Then what we need to do is talk through what we'd want to see from it | 21:17 |
| mikal | And make sure we're on the same page as them | 21:17 |
| mikal | dansmith: nah, just check pointing the direction of external work | 21:18 |
| dansmith | then..yes | 21:18 |
| mriedem | and mestery will be at our midcycle i think | 21:18 |
| mriedem | so yeah | 21:18 |
| mriedem | punt | 21:18 |
| mikal | Can we put something to that effect into the etherpad then please? | 21:18 |
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| mikal | Given people want to leave early I feel like we should move on | 21:18 |
| mikal | Anything else here? | 21:18 |
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| mriedem | i'll say something in the etherpad | 21:18 |
| mikal | Ta | 21:18 |
| beagles | thanks | 21:19 |
| mikal | #topic Traditional Reminders | 21:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Traditional Reminders (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:19 | |
| mikal | So, the agenda asks me to remind you that... | 21:19 |
| malini | sorry to raise https://review.openstack.org/#/c/168982/ again, but no further discussion. it has been heavily debated, do not want this to fall into analysis paralysis but allow to implement | 21:19 |
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| malini | mikal, pinging again for the cpu-info BP that Alex xu requested feature free exception on | 21:21 |
| tonyb | malini: that was discussed here already | 21:21 |
| mikal | malini: yep, its on the list for consideration, I don't think there's a lot else I can do for it in this meeting | 21:21 |
| mikal | So, reminders | 21:21 |
| mikal | Yuo should be reviewing with the priority review list in mind | 21:22 |
| mikal | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-priorities-tracking | 21:22 |
| mikal | You probably have action items from the summit you should feel bad about | 21:22 |
| mikal | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-nova-liberty-summit-action-items | 21:22 |
| mikal | The registration deadline for the mid-cycle is July 7 (next week) | 21:22 |
| mikal | Any other reminder things? | 21:22 |
| malini | thanks tonyb and mikal for the ack | 21:22 |
| mikal | #topic Stable branch | 21:23 |
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| mriedem | stable is hunky dory | 21:23 |
| mikal | Icehouse has now been eol'ed I believe? | 21:23 |
| mriedem | yeah, working toward | 21:23 |
| mikal | But that's informational | 21:23 |
| mikal | malini: oh, I thought fungi has actually done it now? | 21:24 |
| mriedem | yeah it's done | 21:24 |
| mriedem | just looked | 21:24 |
| mikal | Cool | 21:24 |
| mikal | #topic Gate status | 21:24 |
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| mriedem | hunky dory | 21:24 |
| mikal | The gate has been perfect! | 21:24 |
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| mikal | Perfectly broken | 21:24 |
| mriedem | if you're not neuitron or horizon | 21:24 |
| mikal | Well, it was exciting earlier in the week | 21:24 |
| mriedem | gate is fine excluding the first half of this week | 21:24 |
| mikal | But its sorted now right? | 21:24 |
| mriedem | yes | 21:24 |
| mriedem | no recent oslo releases | 21:24 |
| mikal | Thanks for chasing that when it was all wonky | 21:24 |
| mikal | Heh | 21:25 |
| mikal | #topic Open Discussion | 21:25 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:25 | |
| mikal | Ok, we can talk, or we can go an explode things. | 21:25 |
| mikal | Thoughts? | 21:25 |
| malini | mikal -- :-) no no, ack in my remark here in meeting, would very much like the +2s on the BP, not there yet! | 21:25 |
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| shhfeng | sorry to raise https://review.openstack.org/#/c/192622 , it enable pci api | 21:25 |
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| claudiub|2 | yeah, I have a few spec exceptions that have +2s already. | 21:25 |
| mikal | malini: yep, people are reviewing it. It might take some time though. | 21:26 |
| mikal | claudiub|2: and they're on the etherpad, yes? | 21:26 |
| claudiub|2 | mikal: yeah. | 21:26 |
| mikal | claudiub|2: cool | 21:26 |
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| shhfeng | we have implement the underly pci logical and API code, just need to enable this api. | 21:27 |
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| mikal | shhfeng: is it on the spec freeze exception etherpad? | 21:27 |
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| mriedem | early mark | 21:28 |
| alex_xu | all the code for pci api already in the nova tree, just need enable, so coding should be easy | 21:28 |
| shhfeng | mikal, yes. | 21:28 |
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| mikal | shhfeng: cool, we it should get considered as part of the process then | 21:28 |
| mriedem | testing? | 21:28 |
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| mikal | I think we could let people go do 4th of July prep now, yes? | 21:29 |
| mriedem | sure | 21:29 |
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| shhfeng | mikal, great. | 21:29 |
| mikal | I insist that all fireworks are renamed Freedom Explosions though | 21:29 |
| mriedem | freedomcrackers | 21:29 |
| mikal | Its like a little burst of freedom in the sky | 21:29 |
| mikal | And with that... | 21:29 |
| mriedem | or your hand | 21:29 |
| mikal | #endmeeting | 21:29 |
| claudiub|2 | if the fire works, we might have some barbeque as well :D | 21:29 |
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| dansmith | lol | 21:29 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jul 2 21:29:58 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2015/nova.2015-07-02-21.00.html | 21:30 |
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| fungi | "celebrate the independence of your nation by blowing up a small part of it" | 21:30 |
| malini | LOL | 21:30 |
| sgordon | MURICA | 21:30 |
| beagles | Happy Independence Day... careful not to blow any digits off | 21:30 |
| claudiub|2 | time to seach the independence day movie. :D | 21:31 |
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