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alex_xu#startmeeting nova api12:00
openstackMeeting started Fri Jul  3 12:00:03 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is alex_xu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.12:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.12:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova api)"12:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'nova_api'12:00
alex_xuIs there anybody at here today?12:00
Jeffrey4lyep. I am in ;)12:00
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alex_xuJeffrey4l: hey, welcome!12:00
gmannhi12:00
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Jeffrey4lu r welcome~12:01
alex_xugmann: hi12:01
alex_xuUS in holiday~12:01
alex_xuwait one more min to say if there is more people12:01
gmannyea, there are having fireworks today :)12:01
alex_xugmann: cool, fireworks12:02
alex_xugmann: are you at US?12:02
gmannno, m in Tokyo12:02
alex_xugmann: woo~ cool, with Ken'ichi12:02
gmannyea :).12:02
alex_xuI think no more people at here~12:03
alex_xugmann: do you have anything want me help?12:03
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alex_xuI guess this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/197822/12:03
gmannalex_xu: not much just that one12:03
alex_xugmann: I'm on your side12:04
alex_xuhope jaypipes and sdague can give some suggestion for that patch also12:04
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gmannalex_xu: yea, because if we do not fix that in v2.1 then v2.1 will be different always12:05
jaypipesgood morning all.12:05
alex_xugmann: agree with that12:05
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gmannalex_xu: yea, and we can move based on conclusion12:05
alex_xujaypipes: hey, good morning12:05
gmannjaypipes: good morning12:05
jaypipesalex_xu: just caffeining myself :)12:05
jaypipesgmann: mornin!12:05
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alex_xujaypipes: there is argument on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/197822/, hope get you suggestion12:05
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alex_xuwe think that needn't bump version, because we promise v2.1 equal to v2.12:06
* jaypipes reads12:06
gmannjaypipes: just added you in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/197822/ review12:06
alex_xuJohn point it out, he think the v2.1 already release, anything change or bug fix need version bump12:06
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alex_xubut this bug isn't existed in v2, it because the mistake when port v2 to v2.1, and we break the contract 'v2.1 equal to v2'12:07
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* alex_xu think maybe the comment in patch better than his poor English explain...12:08
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jaypipesalex_xu: nope, I understand you completely, no worries. /me still thinking on this :)12:08
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gmannyea, we think we can fix that as bug in v2.1 on master and kilo to have same as v212:08
alex_xuyea, we should backport this fix also12:09
gmannI have patch up for kilo too - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/197850/12:09
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jaypipesgmann: I think I agree with johnthetubaguy on this one. Really, if we are changing the returned response body in any way -- even if we are trying to just provide compat with v2.0 -- we should add a microversion so that clients will be able to know the difference of returned results between a server running 2.6 and a server running 2.7 (if this patch adds a 2.7 microversion)12:10
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alex_xujaypipes: emm..that means all the users depend on that API will be broken after switch to v2.112:11
gmannjaypipes: yea but users moving from v2 to v2.1 will break if we donot fix it in v2.1 base API12:11
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alex_xureminder: we have contract say: v2.1 equal to v2 except strict validation.12:12
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johnthetubaguywell, thats not quite correct12:13
gmannbecause this is not newly added attribute just bug while porting v2.112:13
johnthetubaguythat was the intent12:13
johnthetubaguybut we shipped v2.1 already12:13
jaypipesgmann, alex_xu: yes, that is correct. but if we fix it in v2.1 base, then clouds that are deployed without that fix will be indifferentiable from one with the fix.12:13
alex_xuif we don't fix that. The contract is changed: 'v2.1 almost equal to v2 except strict validation and removing that field'12:13
johnthetubaguyjaypipes: +112:13
jaypipesalex_xu: that is absolutely correct.12:13
johnthetubaguyso the problem is, we really don't want to break the API version rules, its a bad example to set, I think12:14
alex_xujaypipes: emm...yea, that is problem, that is based on there is already have user begin to user v2.1. and we release v2.1 now, we can't ensure there isn't any user using it12:14
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gmannjaypipes: if we backport that in kilo too and after Clouds upgrade it will be fine. it would break them as it is addition of attribute.12:15
johnthetubaguyfor context, we assume an API is deployed and in use, pretty much[1], as soon as its merged12:15
johnthetubaguy[1] we maybe have 24 hours to revert, if we pretend, and we really screwed up12:15
johnthetubaguygmann: people deploy clouds from any commit in the Nova tree, we have to keep that in mind here12:16
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alex_xuok12:16
alex_xuso I think there is another thing can make it better, we shouldn't let the extension API in v2.1 return that extension12:16
gmannjohnthetubaguy: humm yea...12:16
alex_xuthe v2 API should depend on extesion API to know whether that field existed or not. If we didn't let extension API return that extension, then v2 API user didn't find that extension existed in the deploy then won't use it12:17
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alex_xuso the v2 API will avoid to break12:17
alex_xuand then we fix it by bump version12:18
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gmannalex_xu: but hiding extension in v2 again introduce backward incompatibility12:18
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alex_xugmann: no, the v2 api have contract, some extended attribute should be detected by extension whether load in that deployement12:19
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johnthetubaguyalex_xu: oh, I see what you are saying, stop v2.1 pretending it has the missing extensions, thats a smart move12:20
alex_xujohnthetubaguy: yea, we just need change this line https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/api/openstack/compute/plugins/v3/extension_info.py#L7012:20
alex_xuwe didn't return ExtendedVIFNet extension in the extension API12:20
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alex_xugmann: does make sense to you?12:21
alex_xugmann: v2 api user won't be break anymore12:22
alex_xualso resolve johnthetubaguy and jaypipes's concern12:22
gmannso clouds moving to v2.1 can be told that this is missing extension in v2.1 and they can disable that in v2 deployed one to have same env if they move from v2 to v2.1?12:22
johnthetubaguyalex_xu: so, we could look at exposing the extra extension when you request /v2, but we can leave that as a separate task12:22
jaypipesgmann: precisely correct.12:23
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gmannohhk12:23
gmannthat's sounds clever and good to me12:24
alex_xujohnthetubaguy: sorry, I didn't get you12:24
alex_xugmann: cool :)12:24
gmannjohnthetubaguy: you means later adding that as extension in v2.1 when requesting /v2 ?12:25
johnthetubaguygmann: something like that, yeah12:25
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alex_xujohnthetubaguy: I prefer a totally new name for that field, probably without that extension alias prefix12:25
johnthetubaguyso v2.1 in v2 compact mode starts returning the extra bit we added into v2.1 at v2.612:25
johnthetubaguyalex_xu: in v2.6, sure12:26
johnthetubaguyalex_xu: that certainly complicates things though...12:26
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johnthetubaguygmann: maybe we just leave it out of the v2.0 compat mode for now, and see how we go12:26
johnthetubaguyhmm, that feels bad, when I say it like that12:27
alex_xuok, got agremenet, so let's move on ?12:27
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alex_xu#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/148509/12:27
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alex_xuthe author want me raise this up, because whether need top-level element, I think it's ok now.12:28
alex_xujaypipes: do you still have concern for that ^12:28
gmannok, so we will add that attribute as version bump12:28
gmannand modify v2.1 extension list too?12:28
gmannsorry for jumping on previous topic :)12:29
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alex_xugmann: yes12:29
jaypipesalex_xu: so, I think my last review on that was basically saying "I could go either way" :) whatever the API WG decides is fine, and if they want to use a top-level key in the returned dict because it's consistent with how nova is now, that's fine with me.12:29
gmanncool12:29
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johnthetubaguyFWIW, local consistency seems worth while12:30
alex_xujaypipes: cool!12:30
alex_xuthe last one, there is clarify for remove v3 spec12:30
alex_xu#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/193589/12:30
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alex_xujohnthetubaguy: would you like help on that, it's easy, and the point is raised by you before12:31
jaypipesalex_xu: reviewed.12:32
jaypipes+112:32
johnthetubaguycool, that looks good12:32
alex_xujaypipes: thanks :)12:32
johnthetubaguyso this subgroup wants that merged right?12:32
alex_xujohnthetubaguy: cool, thanks12:32
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alex_xujohnthetubaguy: this week...only me at here12:33
alex_xujohnthetubaguy: I can push other people to give point next week, then I will bother you later~12:33
johnthetubaguyso I am thinking of treating this subgroups approval as a +2, and just merging it12:33
johnthetubaguyto get people unblocked12:33
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johnthetubaguysensible or crazy pants?12:33
* alex_xu can help a +2? ooh~12:34
johnthetubaguyanyways, I will add my +2, it looks good12:34
alex_xujohnthetubaguy: cool, thanks12:35
johnthetubaguyif that not being merged starts blocking people, let me know12:35
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alex_xuthe last last thing...help review microversion client patch https://review.openstack.org/152569 the spec alrready merged!12:35
alex_xujohnthetubaguy: ok12:36
alex_xuand last few policy patch https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/nova-api-policy-final-part,n,z12:36
alex_xuanymore question? any open? then I will close meeting early~12:36
johnthetubaguythanks folks for all the hard work on the API12:37
johnthetubaguyits crazy important for Nova12:37
alex_xu:)12:37
gmannfunc test merging patches - https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:merge_sample_tests,n,z12:37
alex_xugmann: yea ^ also just left few patch12:37
gmannfew left please review on your free time12:37
johnthetubaguythere are all on the etherpad of doom I guess?12:37
gmannalex_xu: yea after those just clean up patches i will puch 1 or 212:37
alex_xugmann: that's worth to put in this etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-priorities-tracking12:38
johnthetubaguy+112:38
gmannsure12:38
alex_xuwhat is puch...12:38
gmannsorry *push :)12:38
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alex_xuok...12:39
gmannmy typo always kills me12:39
alex_xuclose the meeting 3..12:39
alex_xu2...12:39
alex_xu1...12:39
alex_xu#endmeeting12:39
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gmannThanks all.12:39
openstackMeeting ended Fri Jul  3 12:39:34 2015 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)12:39
alex_xuthanks all!12:39
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alex_xugmann: me too~12:39
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schwickehi all16:00
rodrigodso/16:01
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schwicke#startmeeting hierarchical_multitenancy16:02
openstackMeeting started Fri Jul  3 16:02:25 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is schwicke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:02
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schwickewho's there today ?16:02
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rodrigodso/16:02
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schwicke#topic review of action items16:03
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schwickewe had:  erickdonsantos will take over from vilobhmm while he's on vacation16:04
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rodrigodsschwicke, he is currently working on it16:04
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schwickeok16:05
rodrigodshe has already fixed the tests, but have found some bugs and he is currently fixing them16:05
sajeeshok16:05
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rodrigodsthe major issue was that the code wasn't considering the data from the db for a subproject16:06
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rodrigodsit was always returning 0, not checking the DB first16:06
ericksonsantoshi \o16:06
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sajeeshhi erickson16:06
schwickeHi16:06
schwickewelcome!16:06
schwickewe've just started to review the action items16:06
ericksonsantosthanks16:06
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ericksonsantosnice, I'm working on cinder code. For now, I have just to implement some tests16:07
ericksonsantosand upload a new patch16:08
sajeeshok16:08
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schwickeok16:08
schwickedo you have a time estimate ?16:08
ericksonsantosmonday I guess16:09
schwickegreat!16:09
sajeeshgood !16:09
schwickethis is for  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194406/ ?16:10
ericksonsantosschwicke, yes16:11
schwickethen we had:  sajeesh will ask for feedback on failing tests for16:11
schwicke    https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182140/ and sajeesh will contact core developers on IRC in #openstack-nova16:11
schwicke(moving on)16:11
schwickesajeesh: did you succeed with that ?16:11
sajeeshyes I had contacted them16:11
sajeeshI will start fixing it16:11
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rodrigodscan you give more details?16:12
ericksonsantoswhat were their suggestions?16:12
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sajeeshrodrigo, dims had asked me to fix it first and then he will see16:13
rodrigodsfix it how?16:13
rodrigodsthe wsgi.py check, right?16:13
sajeeshI am planning to change the test case16:13
rodrigodsthe tempest test?16:13
sajeeshyes wsgi.py16:13
sajeeshyes16:13
schwickewhat's the test case then ?16:14
sajeeshI have to see it.16:15
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rodrigodssajeesh, I've an email to you with the testcase16:15
rodrigodsand why it is failing16:15
rodrigodsI believe I've sent it before the meeting last week16:15
sajeeshyes I have seen it16:15
rodrigodsI'm not sure whether is the right direction to fix the tempest test16:16
sajeeshbased on that only, I am planning to solve16:16
rodrigodssince the action is intended to fail16:16
sajeeshlet us fix it that way first16:16
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rodrigodsso the checks you've removed from wsgi.py is causing this check to not happen16:16
rodrigodsanyway...16:17
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sajeeshI think so...I haven't gone deep into it16:17
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rodrigodsso consider to fix the Nova code, instead of going to change a behavior from a tempest test16:18
sajeeshI will check it16:18
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ericksonsantosrodrigods ++16:18
rodrigodsyou may need to readd the checks you've removed in the API that is failing16:18
schwickeyes, sounds more reasonable to me as well16:18
sajeeshrodrigo, surely I will consider all options16:19
schwickesajeesh: do you need any help with that ?16:19
sajeeshany help is welcome16:20
sajeesh:-)16:20
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schwickemaybe somebody can help out with a patch ?16:20
ericksonsantosonce, /16:21
vilobhmmschwicke : sorry to interupt16:21
vilobhmmericksonsantos, all : I have a flight to catch but ericksonsantos if you can submit a patch with the feedback that you and sajeesh had mentioned, so by the time I am back we can move ahead with this one….once I am back I can take it ahead…16:21
ericksonsantosonce I've finished with cinder code, I can take a look. *16:21
vilobhmmtalking specifically about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194406/16:21
vilobhmmericksonsantos : ^^16:21
sajeeshactually I have to see , if that  test becomes redundant when I remove the context checking from wsgi.py16:21
ericksonsantosvilobhmm, nice, I'll do it :)16:22
sajeeshif it becomes redundant , it makes sense to remove it16:22
rodrigodssajeesh, why is it redudant ?16:23
vilobhmmericksonsantos : thanks16:23
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rodrigodsit checks if a user can create a keypair in a project he isn't authorized to16:23
sajeeshI am not sure that it is redundant...I mean if it is redundant16:23
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schwickeis there another test doing the same thing, or what makes it redundant /16:24
schwicke?16:24
sajeeshschwicke...that I have to check16:25
rodrigodswhat is broken is the behavior, not the test16:25
rodrigodsif we have 2 tests doing the same thing16:25
rodrigodsboth should fail16:25
sajeeshok16:25
schwicke+116:25
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schwickeso what is the conclusion?16:27
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sajeeshcan't say right now16:27
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rodrigodsIMHO a authorization check was removed, a specific API is failing (associate a keypair to an instance in a project) so this API needs this check16:28
ericksonsantossajeesh, I have to think if makes sense remove that checking in wsgy.py16:28
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rodrigodsan option is to readd this same check in the specific API16:29
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rodrigodssince it seems to need it16:29
sajeeshaccording to the bp, token should be scoped to parent for update and delete16:29
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sajeeshthat is already...there and I can shift the test to that area16:29
rodrigodswhich area? all calls go through wsgi.py and than to the specific API16:30
rodrigodsif the test is faling it means that neither have the check16:30
rodrigodsspeaking logically (haven't looked the code)16:31
sajeeshcontext checking is done api16:31
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sajeeshdone inside api call16:31
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sajeeshconext checking is done inside the api call16:32
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sajeeshif I can shift this test to that area , I think it can be solved16:32
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schwickeshall we try it the way sajeesh suggests ?16:34
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abrito_sajeesh, ericksonsantos, schwicke: can't we parallelize a bit more? Maybe have some fresh eyes looking at this one patch for a while and start another one in the chain?16:35
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schwickeabrito: +116:35
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sajeesh+116:36
schwickelet's move on for now on the action item review16:36
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schwickesajeesh will work on implementing monkey patching the keystone calls16:37
sajeeshyes.. I am doing that16:37
schwickesajeesh: did you make any progress on this one ?16:37
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schwickecan you give a time estime when this will be finished16:38
sajeeshschwicke...progress is there .16:38
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abrito_just talked to Raildom, he could help with this one patch.16:38
sajeeshI can say that I can complete this in a few days....16:38
abrito_meanwhile Ericksonsantos could help in the cinder front.16:38
schwickesounds good16:39
sajeeshthanks raildo  !!!!16:39
rodrigodscan you trigger the action schwicke ?16:40
schwickesure16:41
rodrigodsraildo will take a look in the patch and will fix it16:41
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rodrigods#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182140/16:41
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schwicke#action raildo will take a look in the patch and will fix it #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182140/16:41
schwickethanks for the link!16:41
schwickewhat else is pending ? I saw a discussion about weather or not a different driver should be used or if the existing one should be extended16:42
rodrigodsmy opinion is the old one from sajeesh16:43
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sajeesh?16:43
rodrigodssince the NestedQuotaDriver works as the QuotaDriver when HMT is not considered16:43
rodrigodsI don't see a reason why we would want to replicate code16:43
rodrigodsor behavior16:43
ericksonsantosrodrigods +116:43
schwickethe main argument for having two different drivers is the transition from the old to the new one16:44
sajeeshrodrigo...there won't be code duplication NestedQuotaDriver inherits from DbQuotaDriver16:45
sajeeshIt is mainly done to make transition safer and smoother16:45
sajeeshI mean if it inherits16:46
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ericksonsantoswe can make this change without having to create a new driver, the behavior will still be the same16:46
abrito_originally I was in favor of having two drivers16:46
abrito_but then I understood that in a conversation with Morgan16:46
sajeeshwe can do....16:46
abrito_it was suggested that a single should be a smoother experience16:46
abrito_did I miss something Sajeesh?16:46
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sajeeshabrito...then everybody will be afraid of potential risks16:47
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schwickeputting my sysadmin head on I'd feel better if I could upgrade to the new version of nova without changing the driver, and then having the possiblity to switch on and test the new thing16:47
schwickein particular for large installations - which are exactly those who may be interested in the new features16:48
sajeeshso in nova we are proposing it as an optional driver in the intial release and default in the successive one16:48
sajeeshshwicke ...issue is not with the user acceptance...issue is with the code acceptance16:49
schwickewhile I agree that from a pure design point of view a single driver solution looks more clean, I really believe that from a sysadmins point of view having an independent driver is more save16:49
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abrito_ok, but then there are two reasons16:50
abrito_the sysadmins could be more confortable16:50
abrito_and the cores would be less afraid of having such an important code buggy16:51
schwickesajeesh: from the design the two driver solution is indeed a bit more ugly even if you inherit the old code. It implies that you will have to iterate on the code later to get rid of the old driver16:51
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sajeesh++1 brito16:51
abrito_do we then agree on this one?16:51
schwickeabrito: +116:51
schwickethat's the point16:52
sajeeshnot much iteration is required16:52
schwickeso we agree that it is better to have 2 drivers, correct ?16:52
rodrigodsok, let's create an optional driver16:52
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schwicke#agreed we create an optional driver to ease the migration. This should be the case both for cinder and nova.16:53
ericksonsantosso, ok16:53
schwickeThat's quite an important outcome of this meeting :)16:53
sajeeshyes :-)16:54
schwickewe are running out of time.16:54
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schwickeI think we should try to make use of the skype block during the week16:55
schwicke#topic AOB16:55
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sajeeshyes16:55
schwickespecifically now to get the tests going. We need more discussion on this it seems16:56
schwickeDo we agree ?16:56
sajeeshyes16:56
schwickedo we have raildo in the group chat  ?16:57
abrito_ so everyone is already on the skype group16:57
abrito_schwicke: yes, he is16:57
schwickeexcellent!16:57
schwicke#agreed use skype chat during the week to coordinate16:58
schwickeTime is out16:58
rodrigodsthanks guys16:58
schwickelet's meet again next Friday to review16:58
rodrigods++16:59
ericksonsantosthank you all!16:59
schwicketo speed up things16:59
schwicke#endmeeting16:59
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schwickeEnjoy the weekend!16:59
schwickeIt's terribly hot here in Geneva these days :)16:59
ericksonsantoshaha16:59
sajeeshThanks to all and Have a nice weekend :-)16:59
abrito_Have a nice weekend.17:00
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