Wednesday, 2015-08-05

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loquacitieshi everyone, APAC docs meeting starting now!00:32
katomoHi00:32
darrenchello00:32
JRobinson__Hello and good morning o/00:32
loquacitieshi katomo00:32
loquacitieshi darrenc and JRobinson__00:32
loquacitiesadahms: ping?\00:33
adahmsGood morning00:33
loquacitieshiya00:33
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loquacitieslooks like a small turnout today00:33
adahmsI'll ping a few people :)00:33
loquacities#startmeeting docteam00:33
openstackMeeting started Wed Aug  5 00:33:43 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is loquacities. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.00:33
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.00:33
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'docteam'00:33
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loquacities#topic Action items from the last meeting00:34
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loquacitiesi can't see any action items we should be following up on here00:34
loquacitieshi dnavale :)00:34
loquacities#topic Liberty specs in review #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/docs-specs,n,z00:35
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loquacitiesour list of specs is rapidly dwindling, which is good00:35
loquacities#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191041/ (Third Party driver docs - requires discussion)00:35
JRobinson__yes, m summit is about 3 months out00:35
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loquacitieswe haven't had any action on that third party spec for a while, i might need to send some emails on that00:35
loquacities#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191077/ (Install Guide Liberty update - WIP)00:36
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loquacitiesthat install guide spec should be more or less ready to merge now00:36
loquacitiesany questions on specs?00:36
loquacitiesright, moving on00:37
JRobinson__I can't think of any00:37
loquacities#topic Speciality teams: #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/SpecialityTeams00:37
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loquacities#info HA Guide - RST migration complete, need help with updating content.00:37
loquacities#info Install Guides - RST migration nearly complete, testing to begin shortly.00:37
loquacitiesgreat work on the install guide sprint, there00:38
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loquacitiesi'm gobsmacked that we got so much done in such a short period of time00:38
loquacities#info Networking Guide - Test & review for Liberty updates. Need to audit content in devref.00:38
loquacities#info Security Guide - RST conversion started, sign up here: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/sec-guide-rst00:38
loquacitiesif you're still looking for RST conversion work, the security guide is probably the best place to be right now00:38
loquacities#info User Guides - Cloud Admin Guide RST migration complete, need to start work on reorganisation.00:39
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JRobinson__^some good news00:39
loquacitiesindeed :)00:39
JRobinson__The last patch for rst conversion was merged last night/today00:39
loquacitiesoh neat! well done :)00:39
loquacities#info Ops/Arch Guides - Arch Guide swarm coming up. #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/OpsGuide00:40
suyogyay!00:40
loquacities#info API docs - Spec is now merged! #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/API00:40
JRobinson__#info need to investigate switching from the .xml version to the .rst version, and complete final reviews to double check on any leftover files to convernt00:40
loquacities#info Config Ref - New speciality team! Thanks Guavain #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/ConfigRef00:40
loquacitiesJRobinson__: yep, i've got a note here to do that today for you00:41
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JRobinson__loquacities, thank you00:41
loquacitiesnp00:41
loquacitiesanything else on speciality teams?00:41
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loquacitiesok, moving on00:42
loquacities#topic Doc tools update:00:42
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loquacitiesnot much to say here really, except we're preparing to update the sphinx theme soon00:43
loquacities#info new RST theme ready to be released soon00:43
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loquacitieswe've added a little toc nav in the left bar, and added prev/next buttons at the bottom of the page00:43
loquacitiesany questions on tools?00:44
loquacitiesis anyone still awake? ;)00:44
JRobinson__more navigation is always good.00:45
loquacitiesyeah, adding the toc nav in is great00:45
loquacitiesit's not as pretty as we would like at this point, but it's a starting point00:45
loquacitiesok, moving on00:46
loquacities#topic Licencing00:46
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loquacities#info Lana and Anne are consulting with legal on this00:46
loquacitiesAnne and I had a meeting with legal this morning, and the answer to the question really is: 'it's complicated'00:46
loquacitiesbasically, though, everything should be CC-by00:46
loquacitiesso we'll have a couple of small changes going through to fix some obvious errors there00:47
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adahmsInteresting - what are some of the considerations, if I may?00:47
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loquacitiesso openstack licences code under apache 2.000:47
loquacitiesbut docs are supposed to be all cc-by00:47
adahmsAh, makes sense00:48
loquacitiesbecause our docs *contain* code, though, it gets complicated00:48
loquacitieswhich is why you see a combination of cc-by and apache on our docs00:48
katomoAhh00:48
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adahmsHmm00:49
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loquacitiesi'm trying to find a link, sorry, bear with me00:49
adahmsThat's a tricky one - hard to tell when a piece of code has been added and update the licence accordingly as well, I imagine00:49
loquacitiesyeah, there's also inconsistency all over the place00:49
loquacitiesand then there's theme issues to consider as well00:50
loquacitiesugh, this link is eluding me00:50
katomo#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/209276/00:50
katomoFix: cc-by-sa -> cc-by00:50
loquacitiesanyway, there's a few books which are currently listed as apache *only* which is clearly incorrect00:51
loquacitieskatomo: yes, there's also two books that say cc-by-sa, which is also clearly incorrect00:51
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bmosshttps://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/ContentSpecs#Licenses00:51
loquacitiesso that patch changes the cc-by-sa issue00:51
loquacitiesbmoss: nailed it, thanks :)00:51
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bmossnp00:51
loquacities#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/ContentSpecs#Licenses00:51
loquacitiesi had it open earlier and lost it in my sea of tabs00:52
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loquacitiesso, of those three apache-only books, two of them are about to be republished as RST00:52
loquacitieswhen that happens, the theme will update the licence to cc-by00:52
loquacitiesso we don't need to change anything there00:52
loquacitiesthe config ref is a weird one, mostly because it's almost completely autogenned from code, so apache isn't incorrect00:53
loquacitiesanyway, any other questions on licencing?00:54
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katomonone.  very complicated :)00:55
loquacitiesit is00:55
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loquacitiesalso: our legal advisor lisa is *extraordinarily* patient00:55
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loquacitiesi asked a lot of 101 questions this morning ;)00:55
loquacitiesok, let's move on00:55
loquacities#topic APAC Meetups00:55
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loquacitiesi believe this is our last APAC meeting before the docs swarm00:55
JRobinson__That's right, one week away from the swarm.00:56
loquacitiesi can also announce that we have the openstack foundation on the hook for providing pizza00:56
bmosssweet00:56
loquacitiesand i have rock the docs stickers, and a bunch of rackspace swag coming00:56
JRobinson__good news :)00:56
adahms:o00:56
adahmsSounds swagtastic00:56
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loquacitieswe were also talking about doing an informal 'meet for pancakes' breakfast on the friday morning, too, for anyone who is interested in doing that00:57
loquacitiesi might send email about that later today00:57
bmossIf you're planning on coming to the swarm, please RSVP at the Meetup page: http://www.meetup.com/Australian-OpenStack-User-Group/events/224394774/00:57
loquacitiessuyog: maybe we could put a post on the swarm site about that?00:57
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loquacitiesbmoss: can you repeat that with #info?00:57
bmoss#info If you're planning on coming to the swarm, please RSVP at the Meetup page: http://www.meetup.com/Australian-OpenStack-User-Group/events/224394774/00:58
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loquacitiesta :)00:58
loquacitiesi see 8 RSVPs! already!00:58
loquacities\o/00:58
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bmossbetter order lots of pizza00:58
loquacitiesi'll say00:58
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loquacitiesok, final point on the agenda:00:59
loquacities#topic Spotlight bugs:00:59
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loquacitiesthere's a couple of easy looking ones in this week00:59
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loquacities#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1257018 VPNaaS isn't documented in cloud admin00:59
openstackLaunchpad bug 1257018 in openstack-manuals "VPNaaS isn't documented in cloud admin" [Medium,Confirmed]00:59
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1257018 in openstack-manuals "VPNaaS isn't documented in cloud admin" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/125701800:59
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1257018 in openstack-manuals "VPNaaS isn't documented in cloud admin" [Medium,Confirmed]00:59
loquacities#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1257656 VMware: add support for VM diagnostics00:59
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openstackLaunchpad bug 1257656 in openstack-manuals " VMware: add support for VM diagnostics" [Medium,Confirmed]00:59
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loquacities#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1261969 Document nova server package00:59
suyogSorry, got distracted a bit. \o/ for everything above!00:59
openstackLaunchpad bug 1261969 in openstack-manuals "Document nova server package (WAS: Enable remote debugging for nova)" [Low,Confirmed]00:59
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1257656 in openstack-manuals "VMware: add support for VM diagnostics" [Medium,Confirmed]00:59
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1257656 in openstack-manuals "VMware: add support for VM diagnostics" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/125765600:59
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uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1261969 in openstack-manuals "Document nova server package (WAS: Enable remote debugging for nova)" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/126196900:59
loquacitiesdamn echo chamber00:59
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1261969 in openstack-manuals "Document nova server package (WAS: Enable remote debugging for nova)" [Low,Confirmed]01:00
loquacities#topic Open discussion01:00
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loquacitiesover to you guys :)01:00
bmossI've just put up a blueprint for the Arch Guide so we have it for the swarm01:01
bmoss#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/arch-guide-improvements01:01
suyogCool!01:01
loquacitiesoh cool, thanks :)01:01
bmossI'll get a spec up presently01:01
loquacitiesi missed that01:01
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loquacitiesonce you've got your spec up i'll approve the bp for you01:01
bmosscool, thanks01:01
loquacitiesnp01:01
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loquacitiesanything else?01:02
loquacitiesor can i give you 28 mins of your day back?01:02
bmoss28 minutes sounds good01:02
loquacitiesawesome01:02
loquacitiesit's yours01:02
loquacitiesthanks for coming everyone :)01:02
bmosswoohoo!01:02
bmosscheers01:03
suyogthanks, loquacities!01:03
katomothanks01:03
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loquacities#endmeeting01:03
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pas-ha#startmeeting heat07:05
openstackMeeting started Wed Aug  5 07:05:29 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is pas-ha. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.07:05
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.07:05
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'heat'07:05
pas-ha#topic rallcall07:05
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Qimingo/07:05
xeko/07:05
sirushtio/07:05
pas-ha#topic rollcall07:05
tspatzierhi07:05
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ramishrao/07:05
KanagarajMHi07:05
rakesh_hso/07:05
huangtianhuao/07:05
skraynevpas-ha : I will help ;)07:05
ananta_hi07:06
zengyingzhe_hi07:06
ramishrado we have an agenda?07:06
kairato/07:06
skraynev#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda07:06
pas-ha#topic Adding items to agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282015-08-05_0700_UTC.2907:06
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pas-hanothing special from my side07:06
skraynevfrom me too.07:07
skraynevany suggestions from other people ? :)07:07
pas-hahave one item for later07:07
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skraynevhm. probably we can discuss short update about convergence work ?07:07
Qimingneed some help on review, not a big item though07:07
skraynevsirushti: ananta_ ^07:08
pas-ha#topic heat reviews https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-reviews07:08
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ananta_skraynev: yes07:08
skraynevdo you want to make some update :)07:08
sirushtiskraynev, sure07:08
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sirushtiwe have a voting convergence gate now07:08
pas-ha#link convergence gerrit topic  https://review.openstack.org/#/q/message:convergence+project:openstack/heat+status:open,n,z07:08
ananta_we are almost done with phase 1 of convergence07:09
sirushti*non-voting07:09
ananta_there are few WIP for coancel update and timeout07:09
asalkeldo/07:09
skraynevall these patches https://review.openstack.org/#/q/message:convergence+project:openstack/heat+status:open,n,z are related with phase 1 ?07:10
skraynevor only some of them?07:10
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pas-haskraynev, IMO not all07:10
ananta_not all07:10
pas-hasurely the one backported is not ^)07:10
asalkeldthe input_data will take a little time07:10
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skraynevSo, could you point on major patches ?07:10
pas-hathe gerrit query searches for "convergence" in commit message07:10
skraynevand add to etherpad07:10
skraynevwith topic : phase107:11
ananta_the DNMs are only for testing07:11
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asalkeldwe can add to review etherpad07:11
ananta_there are two by stevebaker which I am not sure if they are for convergence07:11
sirushtiananta_, they're not07:11
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asalkeldananta_: they have convregence in the message somewhere07:11
ananta_okay07:12
rakesh_hsskraynev: this is one of the major patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/203661/07:12
rakesh_hsit provides scenario tests for convergence07:12
rakesh_hstesting almost the whole of convergence developed till now07:13
ananta_the one for Autoscaling by shardy is also not related to convergence07:13
skraynevrakesh_hs: nice :)07:13
asalkeldrakesh_hs: still failing a test07:13
ananta_so, all patches except DNMs, by stevebaker and shardy ;)07:13
pas-hapy27, not the functioal07:13
rakesh_hsasalkeld: yes, it will be fixed once your patch is done07:13
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sirushtiasalkeld, that depends on the cache_data patch07:13
asalkeldok07:14
asalkeldsirushti: can't we skip that test for now?07:14
pas-haoh, those are unit ones.. taking my note back07:14
skraynevananta_: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-reviews07:14
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asalkeldmerge, then enable it once my stuff gets in07:14
sirushtiasalkeld, ++07:14
skraynevI have added it with special header ^07:14
asalkeldnice to have that in07:15
ananta_skraynev: looking07:15
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skraynevananta_: ps. only two last mentioned , so add other necessary, please ;)07:15
ananta_skraynev: I will do that07:15
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stevebakersorry I'm late07:16
asalkeldhi07:16
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skraynevstevebaker: np :) hi07:16
pas-haanything else on review topic?07:16
stevebakerpas-ha: keep chairing by all means07:16
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skraynevwe just discussed convergence progress07:17
pas-hastevebaker, sure07:17
skraynevstevebaker: and updated https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-reviews07:17
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asalkeldstevebaker: is the talk votes finished?07:18
stevebakerI've put the OpenStackClient review on that. I think it would be nice to have full osc commands available for liberty release07:18
pas-hastevebaker, anything specific you wanted to discuss? cuz we are out of topics :)07:18
asalkeldyou  wanted to do a "share your talk topic"07:18
stevebakerasalkeld: I think the votes ended last week07:18
pas-hayes07:18
asalkeldok, np07:18
pas-hafriday07:18
ramishracan I have some more cores review the RG/ASG patches?07:18
stevebakerhaving a full set of osc commands might justify releasing python-heatclient 1.0.007:19
skraynevstevebaker: I leaved  couple comment for this patch:)07:19
stevebaker#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/195867/07:19
stevebakerskraynev: I saw those, I'll get to that07:19
sirushtistevebaker, it would be nice to have functional tests for that, I guess07:19
skraynevstevebaker: ok07:19
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asalkeldstevebaker: does osc support aliases like git?07:19
stevebakerI'm not that keen on implementing all the commands, if anyone is keen to help07:19
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* asalkeld would love that07:19
stevebakerasalkeld: I've aliased openstack to os07:19
stevebakeros stack list07:20
stevebakeros stack show07:20
stevebakerI'll raise a feature bug on python-heatclient for each command so we can discuss specifics and claim tasks07:20
skraynevstevebaker: btw, do we plan to use openstack-sdk when it will be released ?07:20
asalkeldstevebaker: more like "os stack cleanup" -> bash script to delete all stacks (or whatever)07:20
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stevebakerasalkeld: I'd like all sorts of higher-level stack commands, like os stack failures07:21
stevebakerasalkeld: which drills down to the resource which failed07:21
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asalkeldyeah07:21
pas-ha+1, that would be nice07:22
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pas-haanything else?07:23
asalkeldnot from me07:23
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pas-ha#topic open discussion07:23
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stevebakerskraynev: good question. we'd likely take the lead from openstackclient project. If someone had some effort to ensure the heat support in the sdk is complete that would be good anyway07:23
xekI have a problem with failing integration tests in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190183/07:23
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pas-haI have one small question - who is most knowledgable with parameters/properties encryption?07:23
Qimingstevebaker, I'm been working on that07:23
stevebakerpas-ha: jasond?07:24
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stevebakerQiming: oh, nice07:24
pas-haalso therve?07:24
skraynevstevebaker: ok. I will try to hold the hand on pulse (about sdk)07:24
thervepas-ha, Sure somewhat07:24
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stevebakerbtw, this bug is nasty, could it get reviews please? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/206256/ and the backport https://review.openstack.org/#/c/208777/07:24
xekit's consistently failing on heat_integrationtests.functional.test_notifications.NotificationTest.test_basic_notifications but I run the test locally without any problems07:24
pas-hatherve, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/208547/07:25
pas-haI "actually" enabled encruption om gate and broke half the tests07:25
pas-haxek, there is a patch somewhere disabling notif tests for now07:25
pas-haafir07:25
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asalkeldpas-ha: yeah, but his problem is in the gate07:26
xekpas-ha, ok, I'll search for it and add it as a dependency07:26
thervepas-ha, Awesome07:26
stevebakerI don't have anything else07:27
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pas-hatherve, could you check it please ? I would also ping jasond and add ypu both to review07:27
thervepas-ha, I'll look into it. It's possible it's very broken, or we just make wrong assumptions in the tests07:27
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skraynevasalkeld: also we with ramishra had a question about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/208165/07:27
skraynevdo you plan to use or already use it somewhere ?07:28
pas-hatherve, it seems first :( as tests break that are not related07:28
skraynevand how about moving to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/208165/07:28
asalkeldi like it07:28
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asalkeldi run standalone and always have to turn some tests off07:29
ramishraskraynev: we discussed that this morning07:29
asalkeldand it's a pain to come up with the regex07:29
skraynevramishra: oops. I have not know about it :) and what results of discussion?07:30
skraynevramishra: removing or revert?07:30
asalkeldjust remove is fine07:30
ramishraskraynev: removed in the same patch07:30
xekpas-ha, I can't find the patch07:31
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skraynevramishra: got it. thx :)07:31
stevebakerramishra: its a big change but it would be useful.07:31
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stevebakerramishra: it beats adding a config option for every test07:32
pas-haxek, i'll search and ping you07:32
xekpas-ha, ok, thanks!07:32
ramishraI've been rebasing the RG/ASG patches forever:( have taken care of most of zaneb's concerns07:32
ramishracan I've some more core eyes?07:33
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asalkeldramishra: sure07:33
stevebakerramishra: heh, i need to look at those. thanks for keeping it up07:33
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asalkeldthey are complex, so people avoid :-O07:33
ramishrayeah I know. now it supports both random and indexed resources07:34
stevebakersweet07:34
ramishraRG by default indexed and ASG by default random names07:34
stevebakerramishra: what is the chance existing templates could switch from rg to asg on stack update without replacing everything?07:34
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ramishrastevebaker: that's not possible atm. but there can be mix of indexed and random name(exisiting) resources with hidden indexes for existing resources07:36
stevebakerok07:36
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Qimingneed some helps on reviewing this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/201079/07:37
Qimingit is a pure refactor work07:37
QimingI'd doing it to clear the way for some more interesting patches07:38
Qimingsay, stricter checking of filter/sort_keys07:38
stevebakera ~5000 line test file, yeesh07:38
Qimingtoo big to maintain07:38
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asalkeldwe all done?07:39
* asalkeld getting hungry07:39
stevebakerI reckon so07:39
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pas-haok then, let's finish early07:40
pas-hathanks everyone07:40
pas-ha#endmeeting07:40
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stevebakerpas-ha: thanks for running it07:40
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BobBall#startmeeting XenAPI09:31
openstackMeeting started Wed Aug  5 09:31:44 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is BobBall. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.09:31
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.09:31
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BobBallMorning johnthetubaguy09:31
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johnthetubaguyhello09:32
BobBallWe can also say good morning to jianghuaw09:32
BobBallAnd is John or Huan also here?09:32
jianghuawhello09:33
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BobBallAgenda at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/XenAPI as usual09:33
BobBall#topic Blueprints / Reviews09:33
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BobBallOK - so - johnthetubaguy the first is a question for you really09:33
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BobBallWelcome huazhihao09:33
huazhihao:bobball Thank you.09:34
BobBallWe've found there are some bugs running XenAPI in a HVM guest09:34
BobBalland lots of people are trying to do this09:34
huazhihaoYes09:34
BobBallWe need to fix those - do we have to raise a BP or are these justifiable as bugs or 'features without BPs' since it's very clear what we're trying to do?09:34
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BobBallhuazhihao / jianghuaw is Huan joining us?09:35
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BobBalljohnthetubaguy: What are your thoughts on that?09:36
BobBalljohnthetubaguy: (the BP question - not Huan :) )09:36
johnthetubaguysounds like a bug fix09:36
BobBallOK, good.09:36
johnthetubaguyit is bug triage day today, if that helps09:36
huazhihaobobball: She is disconnected because of some unknown reasons.09:37
BobBallCan I also introduce jianghuawwho is the second team member in Nanjing09:37
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BobBallHuan is the third team member but she's not online at the moment09:37
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BobBallhuazhihao / jianghuaw: johnthetubaguy is the current Nova PTL, ex Citrix employee and one of the largest contributors to the XenAPI driver09:38
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johnthetubaguycool, good to meet you all, welcome to Nova!09:38
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BobBallOK, well if we don't need a BP then I'm happy.  We'll add some bugs + fix them as we get to them.09:38
BobBallAlready have one bug raised09:38
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BobBallSpeaking of nova bug triage day...09:38
BobBall#topic Bugs09:38
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jianghuawhi johnthetubaguy09:38
BobBall#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/120463109:39
openstackLaunchpad bug 1204631 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Image created from boot from iso missing min_ram and min_disk" [Low,Confirmed]09:39
johnthetubaguythe reviewers may think otherwise, but it feels like a bug fix to me09:39
BobBallThis bug is one that claims it may be fixed09:39
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1204631 in nova "Image created from boot from iso missing min_ram and min_disk" [Low,Confirmed]09:39
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1204631 in nova "Image created from boot from iso missing min_ram and min_disk" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/120463109:39
BobBallI thought you might have some insight into whether you agree it's fixed09:39
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BobBallFrom looking at the code I suspect it has been fixed09:39
BobBallso I'd be happy to just close it09:39
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BobBallbut I know that RAX has been more involved in the boot from iso work09:39
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BobBalljohnthetubaguy ? :) ping!09:42
johnthetubaguysorry, I am having lots of pings right now09:43
johnthetubaguyI have no idea if thats fixed, we don't really use that feature much09:43
BobBallI'll close it based on the code review then09:43
johnthetubaguyOK09:43
BobBall#topic Open Discussion09:43
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johnthetubaguythey can always reopen I guess09:44
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BobBallin stack.sh in devstack there are references to tty.gz09:44
BobBallThese are XenServer specific09:44
BobBallbut I have no idea what they are for or why they are there09:44
BobBallDo you have any clue?09:44
johnthetubaguydo you have a link?09:44
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BobBallThey were added in the original commit to devstack by rackspace09:44
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BobBall10:43 < johnthetubaguy> sorry, I am having lots of pings right now09:45
BobBall10:43 < johnthetubaguy> I have no idea if thats fixed, we don't really use that feature much09:45
BobBallSorry - wrong paste!09:45
BobBallThat was just from me clicking the screen out of habit09:45
BobBallhttp://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-dev/devstack/tree/stack.sh#n119009:45
BobBallI have no idea what "UPLOAD_LEGACY_TTY" is for09:45
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johnthetubaguyisn't that the image file?09:46
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BobBallAn image file for what though09:46
BobBallWe don't use it anywhere as far as I can tell09:46
johnthetubaguyI thought for booting from09:46
BobBallYes - but why do we need a tty aki+ami image?09:47
BobBallWhat's the purpose of the image in general09:47
johnthetubaguyI think it was just the first one that was added, as the only image that worked09:47
johnthetubaguylike the xenserver specific one09:47
BobBallAh ok09:47
BobBallSo we can remove it now we just use cirros?09:48
johnthetubaguyI would have thought so09:48
BobBallhi huanxie.  johnthetubaguy - this is huan, the final team member in Nanjing09:48
BobBallOK - I will raise a ticket to remove it then09:48
johnthetubaguyhuanxie, welcome to nova!09:48
BobBallNext question...09:48
huanxiehi09:48
BobBallSeparation of plugins09:49
BobBallWe have a vaguely useful plugin version identifier in nova now09:49
BobBallHow would you feel about separating the plugins from nova to a different repo on stackforge?09:49
johnthetubaguyseems like a bad idea09:49
BobBallThe main reason I'd like to do this is to make a clear distinction for develpoment so we can rely on the plugin versioning information09:49
johnthetubaguythey are required to run Nova, and basically Nova ocde09:49
johnthetubaguywhy not use the Nova versioning for the deployment?09:50
BobBallYou mean remocve the current plugin version?09:50
johnthetubaguyno09:50
johnthetubaguyjust use the nova version for the deployment09:51
johnthetubaguythe version is just an internal interface protection system really09:51
johnthetubaguywe don't make nova-compute deploy using the manager RPC version right?09:51
BobBallRight09:51
BobBallLet me explain what I would ideally like09:52
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BobBallMy ideal would be for Nova to install, over XenAPI, the correct version of the plugins09:52
BobBallThis would clearly need to work for dev versions, so the 'nova version' wouldn't cut it for that09:52
johnthetubaguythe nova version has a dev version already09:53
johnthetubaguyeach commit has its own version, I believe09:53
BobBallUhhh how?  If someone has downloaded the tgz (i.e. no git repository) then Nova can't know what its version is09:53
BobBallcan it?09:53
johnthetubaguynot quite sure how that works09:54
BobBallAnd I'm sure that using nova to query git would be rejected ;)09:54
BobBallIs it worth raising a BP to discuss or are you dead set against separating the plugins out?09:55
johnthetubaguyyou could, it doesn't sound right to me09:55
BobBallOk - final topic.  Sorry for taking so long huazhihao09:56
johnthetubaguywe can add stuff to make packaging easier09:56
BobBall#topic Mirantis Plugin09:56
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BobBallCan you give us a brief update on what's working with the fuel plugin09:56
BobBalland what the next steps are?09:56
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huazhihaoSUre09:56
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huazhihaoSorry09:56
huazhihaoThe automation has covered most of tasks09:57
BobBallGreat - btw johnthetubaguy - next meeting we hope to have an update on Neutron integration (not a working solution, just something to discuss!)09:58
johnthetubaguyOK, cool09:58
johnthetubaguyhave you reached out to the rackspace folks about that?09:58
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BobBallYes - at the last summit09:59
johnthetubaguywho did you talk to?09:59
BobBallLong story short, we can't use quark in the short term so will be focusing on ml2+ovs09:59
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BobBallSome of the quark devs + andy hill10:00
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johnthetubaguyOK, we should probably catch up about they why at some point, but snowed under right now10:01
BobBallso huazhihao - the update I guess is that we have a workable user interface story and a plugin that will install; now we're focused on automating the xenserver customisation in the post-install tasks10:01
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BobBallis that right?10:01
huazhihaoExactly10:01
huazhihaoSorry my typing is slow.10:01
johnthetubaguyOK10:02
johnthetubaguynot sure what you mean by user interface story, but I guess thats for next time10:02
BobBallSure johnthetubaguy - short version is that there is a bunch of stuff that quark depends on in udev rules etc that are not open source and are highly custom to rackspace's environment.  We might want to get those open + updated to work in other environments too.10:02
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BobBallThe other issue is that Mirantis OpenStack already has good supprot for ml2+OVS so it's a lot easier to integrate with that point10:02
johnthetubaguyyeah, that was my thinking, no reason for those to be closed10:02
johnthetubaguyif it works, and is easier, thats cool10:03
BobBallUser interface story = it looks good :)10:03
BobBallAnyway, we're 3 minutes over now10:03
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BobBallso we'll end the meeting here.10:03
BobBall#endmeeting10:03
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zhipeng#startmeeting tricircle13:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Aug  5 13:00:24 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is zhipeng. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.13:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.13:00
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joehuanghi13:00
zhipeng#topic Roll Call13:00
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zhipenghello everyone13:00
zhipeng#info zhipeng13:00
gampel#info gampel13:00
joehuang#info joehuang13:00
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saggi#info saggi13:01
zhiyuan#info zhiyuan13:01
zhipeng:)13:01
zhipeng#topic Action Item Review13:01
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joehuang#info Keystone part has been updated into the google doc13:02
zhipengjoehuang could you provide the link again?13:02
joehuang#link https://docs.google.com/document/d/19BXf0RhkH8wEEymE2eHHqoDZ67gnzgvpr3atk4qwdGs/edit#heading=h.5r6zgqbiehsh13:03
gampelit is link in the launchpad blueprint "new-design"13:03
joehuang#info keystone federation has not been tried yet13:03
irenab#info irenab13:04
joehuang#info keystone federation should have a lower priority in our development13:04
zhipengwelcome irenab :)13:04
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irenabhey :-)13:04
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gampelhi irenab13:04
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joehuanghi zhipeng13:05
joehuangcould you list the AI in last meeting13:05
zhipengupdate the doc for how to work with KeyStone, joehuang gampel check what mistral supports and which taskflow we want in the reference implementation discuss pluggable cascade service module on bottom13:06
joehuangto use mistral or not13:06
zhipenggampel have you checked that out ?13:07
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gampelMistral  support response13:07
joehuangand pluggable bottom cascade service13:07
zhipenglet's take care of taskflow first :)13:07
joehuangif a bootvm task is assigned to mistral13:07
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gampelSo I think that the best will be to create a pluggable flow  compiler + taskflow13:08
joehuangcan we get the regarding port/volume information from the response13:08
gampelYes13:08
gampelwe can define what we response in the task flow definition13:08
zhipeng#info gampel think that the best will be to create a pluggable flow  compiler + taskflow13:09
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gampelFor the first implementation reference we could use Mistral or to reuse the POC implementation13:10
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gampelJoe can you please describe the POC taskflow execution and if it is possible to integrate it13:11
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joehuangI am still afraid the risk in using mistral for some task, but I  can not be sure which one will be risk13:12
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joehuangin PoC, no task flow used, just code the logic13:12
gampelwe could start with a reference implementation using built in neutron -nova clients13:13
saggijoehuang: We are working closely we minstral developers so they could add thing that are missing13:13
saggijoehuang: Also, having the Task Compiler and Task Executor pluggable will allow us to have alternative implementations as well13:13
gampelin order to make the  development process simple, we need to first create the pluggable module13:14
joehuangfor example, bootvm will have to check image, create volume, create port, if possible, replicate image required13:14
joehuangagree. we can use plugin in the taskflow13:14
joehuangso that different implemention is possible13:15
gampelthis is no problem with mistral but we could start with a reference plugging that use built in clients13:15
joehuangok, use built-in client first13:15
zhipeng#info start with a reference plugging that use built in clients13:16
zhiyuansorry, built-in client here means client in Mistral?13:16
joehuangpythonclient for nova/ciner/neutron?13:17
gampelno i mean the same as you used in the POC build in library for nova/neutron13:17
zhipengshould be what joe suggested13:17
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joehuangok13:17
zhiyuangot it13:17
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joehuangso next topic, the bottom cascade service and status sync13:18
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joehuangok. I remember some risk13:19
gampelas we started discussing in last meeting we think that the status should be pushed by a bottom cascading service13:19
joehuangrecall, not remember13:19
joehuangfor IP address management in the cascading layer13:19
joehuangso the IP address will be done in the neutron api server13:20
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gampeli am not sure i follow ?13:20
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joehuangand the allocaled ip address/mac should be used in calling the bottom neutron13:21
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gampelyou are  talking about the inter cloud connectivity (l2GW)13:21
joehuangno, just bootvm process13:22
joehuangok. I'll describe it in the mail-list, to see if we can use mistral in the process13:22
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gampelOk i though we changed  the topic13:23
joehuangok13:23
saggijoehuang: the bottom cascade service is supposed to address the need of having multi-site information at the bottom layer13:24
saggijoehuang: We need that for the l2gw13:24
saggijoehuang: We will probably need that for storage sync as well13:24
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gampelthe idea is that it will provide 1) l2GW 2) notification 3) ...13:24
joehuangL2GW  is an extention of neutron or seperated in the cascade service?13:24
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zhipengpart of the bottom service13:25
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saggizhipeng: correct13:25
gampelthe  cascading service will implement the API if they are suitable13:25
joehuanghave you read the mail I sent in the m-l13:25
joehuanghow to notify the vm/volume/port status to the cascading service13:26
gampelthe l2GW implementation does not fit inter cloud connectivity it is for HW connection13:26
joehuangyes. if's for overlay and underlay networking13:26
joehuangnot for cross neutron overlay networking13:26
joehuanghow to get and send the vm/volume/port status to the cascade service13:27
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gampelI started looking into if we could reuse the API extent what we are missing or do we need a completely different API for inter cloud connectivity13:28
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gampelit could be done in few ways the simplest  will be to call the cascading service API13:28
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joehuanghow will the bottom cascade service get these status13:29
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saggiSorry, clicked the X button by mistake :)13:30
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joehuangwelcome back13:30
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gampelwe will have a full design of the bottom in the document but the idea is that you have pluggable implementation for different Networking Plugins13:30
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gampelin order to subscribe to the changes13:32
joehuangI think cross neutron L2 networking should be an extention of neutron. it may be different from current L2GW13:32
joehuanghow to subscribe13:32
joehuanglisten the message bus13:33
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joehuangsome even of status change has not been sent yet13:33
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gampelI think that we should not focus on what we agree and define the next development steps and divide the work what is missing and leave the design to the mail list13:34
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joehuangbut we need to think about what should be included in the cascade service, and is it feasible13:35
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joehuangintroducing a new service in the bottom layer will change the the bottom openstack distribution deployment13:36
gampelsure I agree, but what do you think is not feasible we can discuss this in the mail  list and focus here on the tasks we have and status13:36
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saggiThat is why we are suggesting a single bottom cascade service to consolidate the changes13:37
saggiat the bottom layer13:37
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joehuangit would be better if no touch in bottom layer13:38
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joehuangzhiyuan suggest have a job creator in the top cascade service13:38
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saggijoehuang: I agree, but there is no avoiding it for network connectivity13:38
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joehuangif we can have this extention in Neutron, then all distribution will include it13:39
gampelyou will need to add an local agent that do not modify all the other services in order to have some thing that could scale13:39
zhipeng#action discuss bottom cascade service design in mailinglist13:39
gampelI agree13:39
zhipenglet's discuss this in detail in mailinglist13:39
zhipeng:)13:39
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joehuangpolling doen't mean not scaling.13:40
zhipeng#topic patch work discussion13:40
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joehuangok13:40
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zhipengzhiyuan and saggi have been working several patches13:40
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zhipengand joehuang gampel all comment on them13:40
zhipenganything we need to address here?13:40
joehuangI am working on the cascade service rest api framework13:41
joehuangand test framework13:41
zhipengdal, networking-tricircle13:41
zhipengjoehuang would that be new BPs ?13:41
saggiI got a comment that sent me back to the drawing board. I'm now placing the nova hook in the same layer as the cells management.13:41
joehuangyes, new bp and under the new-design bp umbrella13:41
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zhipeng#info joehuang is working on the cascade service rest api and test framework13:42
joehuangok, place the hook in the nova API13:42
zhipeng#info saggi now placing the nova hook in the same layer as the cells management13:42
gampelwe are missing in the DAL assess to the resources like get_network( .....) will return the net data from the Neutron and all the mapping data13:43
joehuangand just to replace the nova-api RPC call to conductor and compute13:43
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saggijoehuang: exactly13:43
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saggijoehuang: It is less of a clean cut than I hoped it would be though13:44
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saggijoehuang: I still need to duplicate a lot of the code. But cells seems to duplicate it as well so I guess it's as intended.13:44
joehuangaccess the data for get_network is a rpc to call neutron api, then to neutron dal13:44
joehuangor directly call neutron dal13:45
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gampeli think it should use neutron API13:45
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gampelI think that the DAL should use the neutron API in the context of the caller13:45
zhipengzhiyuan any suggestion from your side ?13:46
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saggiIt should use the neturon API. We don't want to depend on the DB schema, it changes to frequently and is not supported13:46
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gampelto the TOP neutron13:46
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joehuangwill it produce some loopback?13:46
gampeli do not think it will we will only can info request ?13:47
gampelnot actions and we forward only actions13:47
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zhiyuanso dal provides api to access top layer resources?13:47
saggiand internal DB13:48
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saggiit collects the needed information from all data sources13:48
joehuangsome issue here13:48
gampelwhat issue ?13:48
joehuangfor tenant user, some network / port information can't be retrieved through tenant information13:49
joehuangfor example, provider network informantion, vlan segmentation id13:49
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joehuangand port information like port binding13:49
gampelwhy do you need the segmentation id in the DAL13:49
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joehuangbecause api layer will filter some fields to the client13:50
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gampelwe need the DAL in order to reconstruct the missing resources, I am not sure i understand which resource info we are missing13:51
joehuangsegmention id is not required if we do not want have same segmentation id and provider network type between the top layer and the bottom layer13:51
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saggiWe can't control the segmentation ID in the bottom layer13:52
gampelusing the provider API to set the segmentation ID is not a very good approach in my opinion13:52
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gampelyou must use admin context and it will not work with all implementation some do not have segmentation id13:53
joehuangso we will only provide vxlan network in the top layer?13:53
joehuangif we only use vxlan network, it'll be ok. no need for segmentation id mapping13:53
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joehuangand some port fileds will be only visible to admin context13:54
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gampelfor the TOP layer it does not really matter vxlan or not13:55
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gampelare there other resource info that we could not get using the tenant context     ?13:55
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zhiyuan:gampel do you have a list of resources that need to be retrieved so we can check if it can be done by tenant context?13:58
joehuangyes, one by one13:58
gampelthis is the  design work we started doing on the resource mapping in the document13:58
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zhipengso let's fill those in the document, and see if anything is missing or redundant13:59
gampelwe have an image with tree represent the Nova-Neutron resource and their dependencies13:59
zhipeng#action gampel to have a list of resources that need to be retrieved so we can check if it can be done by tenant context in the design work on resource mapping14:00
joehuangthe external network and IP/ port management ?14:00
gampelOk i think that the next task on the DAL should be base template for one resource (lets say network)14:00
zhipengwould this be ok? :)14:01
joehuangfloating ip14:01
joehuangnetwork/router is tenant level concept14:01
gampelthen we can easily add all the rest it should  read the net data for neutron and the net mapping form the local DB14:02
joehuangbut for external network / floating ip belongs to admin context14:02
zhipengok let's discuss this via design doc14:02
joehuangseg also tenant level resource14:02
zhipengtime is running up :)14:03
joehuangthanks14:03
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zhipengthanks guys, great session today14:03
zhipeng#endmeeting14:03
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joehuangbye14:03
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gampelok bye thanks14:04
zhiyuangood bye everyone14:04
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saggithanks14:04
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SotKAnyone here for the storyboard meeting?15:24
Zarao/15:24
SotK#startmeeting storyboard15:25
openstackMeeting started Wed Aug  5 15:25:12 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is SotK. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:25
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:25
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SotK#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StoryBoard#Agenda_for_next_meeting Agenda15:25
SotK#topic Urgent Items15:25
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SotK#info Reviews have improved since last meeting (thanks mainly to mrmartin), though there are still a number of patches outstanding15:26
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SotKhopefully the situation will continue to improve15:27
Zarayeah. :) Clint Adams also reviewed a patch; thanks!15:27
SotK#topic In-Progress Work15:28
SotK#info SotK is currently looking at implementing worklists and boards.15:28
SotK#link https://review.openstack.org/202989/ Spec15:28
SotKI'm currently putting together a UI for testing the worklist API I've written, which has caused me to implement some things which can be used in the final solution for this too.15:28
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SotKI still need to implement ACLs properly in the API, currently, anyone can mess with anyone's list.15:28
SotKAlso the spec hasn't been officially approved yet, but doesn't seem to be too controversial so I don't think me starting work will have caused any issues15:29
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SotKHopefully I'll be at a point to start sending some patches for it fairly soon, and hopefully the spec will be approved by then15:29
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Zara:) I'm looking at subscriptions, with an end goal of making pages load faster.15:30
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Zaraand hopefully, in the process, get to know the code well enough to start on enabling email notifications15:30
SotK#info Zara is looking at subscriptions, with an end goal of making pages load faster.15:30
SotKemail notifications would be nice :)15:31
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SotK#topic Open Discussion15:32
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SotKAnyone have anything to discuss?15:32
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ZaraI don't think so. I'm glad people have been reviewing; it's much appreciated15:33
* SotK seconds that15:33
Zarahopefully this is a sign of things to come! :D15:33
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SotKIn that case, I guess we can end the meeting in 515:33
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Zarathanks, SotK15:34
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p0rtal /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER p0rtal pdztbzcpdtfh18:47
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vkmchm...18:48
vkmcI'd change my password if I were you18:48
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notmynameswift meeting time20:59
notmyname#startmeeting swift20:59
openstackMeeting started Wed Aug  5 20:59:43 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.20:59
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.20:59
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'swift'20:59
notmynamewho's here for the swift meeting?20:59
wbhuber\o/20:59
minwoob_o/20:59
jrichlihello20:59
hurricanerixo/20:59
mattoliverauo/20:59
hohi20:59
MooingLemur🐄20:59
acoleshere21:00
torgomatic.21:00
ajianghi21:00
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notmynameMooingLemur: do you have lemur emoji too?21:00
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MooingLemurIf there were one, I'd use it all the time.21:00
zaitcev:lemur:21:00
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aerwino/21:01
notmynamenot a very big agenda this week21:01
notmyname#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift21:01
kota_hi21:01
notmynamefirst up, hackathon next week21:01
notmyname#topic hackathon21:01
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notmynamenext week in austin21:01
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notmynamealso, no IRC meeting next week21:01
notmyname#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift-midcycle-aug-201521:02
notmynamethat's a place if you want to collect some ideas before we get together21:02
mattoliverauyay, hackathon21:02
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notmynamebut we will start off as normal building a list of topics to talk about21:02
notmynamemattoliverau: yay seeing everyone :-)21:02
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mattoliverau+10021:02
notmynameso...any questions about next week? any prep needed?21:03
jrichliI had a couple things that might help out21:03
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jrichlithere is a map - the link is in the invite, but here it is:21:03
jrichlimap: https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=zyXNIjVDS-Us.kvQV8EWN67aU&usp=sharing21:03
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jrichliLook at it using the satellite view21:04
jrichliThe map shows you a break in the trees where you can walk from the hotel to IBM21:04
jrichliand it shows you where to enter.21:04
notmynamenice map21:04
jrichlithx!21:04
jrichliYou will need to get a badge in the front and wait to be escorted to the location, unless you work for IBM in the US.21:04
tdasilvacool! but don't see option for satellite view :(21:04
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notmynametdasilva: down in the bottom left?21:05
jrichlibottom left?21:05
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jrichliIf you work for IBM in the US, then you can use your badge to enter building 908, where you will see signs posted about where to go.21:05
tdasilvaah, firefox worked21:05
mattoliveraucool, thanks jrichli21:06
notmynamejrichli: anything else for us for next week?21:06
jrichlii guess that is all.21:06
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notmynamegreat! I'm looking forward to it21:06
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jrichlime too21:06
notmyname#topic other general stuff21:06
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notmynamethe week after the swift hackathon is the ops midcycle21:07
notmyname#link https://www.eventbrite.com/e/openstack-ops-mid-cycle-meetup-tickets-1770325892421:07
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notmynameI'll be there, so if you (or a coworker) is going, find me and let's make sure swift is meeting the needs of ops people21:07
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notmynamealso, something came up with defcore at the end of last week21:08
notmynameI want to bring it up (mention it) here, and then probably talk more about it next week21:08
notmynameone thing we need to look in to is using testr (test repository) as the test runner in swift. it's what we already use in python-swiftclient21:08
notmynameif we are able to do that, it means that the tests we maintain as part of swift are more likely to be used by defcore to measure what is allowed to be "openstack object storage"21:09
notmynamewhich is a good thing21:09
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notmynameany other general announcements from anyone before we get into reviewing ongoing work?21:10
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notmynameok :-)21:10
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notmyname#topic ongoing work (versioning middleware)21:11
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tdasilvayay! it's getting there21:11
notmynamethis is a big one because it's been going on a while is is blocking work21:11
notmynametdasilva: yay21:11
notmynametdasilva: what's the status?21:11
tdasilvathanks to kota for finding bugs and helping fix them21:11
tdasilvakota_: ^21:11
kota_tdasilva: you're welcome21:11
notmynamenice21:11
notmyname#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/134347/21:12
tdasilvanotmyname: i submitted a new patchset a while back, so it is ready for review21:12
notmynameok21:12
kota_and now i'm reviewing21:12
notmynamecan we get some volunteers to look at it asap?21:12
notmynamekota_: thanks21:12
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mattoliverauI'll look too21:12
notmynamethanks mattoliverau21:12
tdasilvathanks guys!21:12
notmynameI'd love to have this merged this week so we can move on the copy middleware and unblock encryption (and the other cleanup work)21:13
tdasilvayes, me too21:13
notmynametdasilva: anything else on this patch?21:13
tdasilvano, please review and try not to get confused with the backwards compatibility code :P21:13
notmynamethanks21:13
notmyname#topic ongoing work (encryption)21:14
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notmynamejrichli: acoles: what's going on here?21:14
notmyname#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift_encryption_issues21:14
jrichliacoles has been working hard reviewing the patches.  thanks acoles!21:14
notmynamegreat21:14
jrichliI have re-work to do over the next few days.21:14
notmynamejrichli: how are you on that etherpad and the issues raised there?21:14
acolesalso we have some topics to work through next week21:14
acolesyes, the etherpad!21:15
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jrichliacoles and I talked a little about the issues, and mahatic added  notes about probetests.  but not a lot of movement there.21:15
notmynameok21:15
acoleslooks like conditional gets we have a way forward on etherpad21:15
notmynamejrichli: acoles: is there something specific you'd like to see before the end of the week before the hackathon?21:16
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jrichlinot on my end21:16
acolesnotmyname: i'd like to see myself complete review of all jrichli good work ;)21:16
notmyname:-) ok21:16
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notmynameI think there should be great progress next week on encryption :-)21:17
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jrichlithat would be good21:17
notmyname#topic ongoing work (hummingbird)21:17
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notmynameredbo: dfg: hurricanerix: what's happening on your side of things?21:17
dfgwe're mostly working on replication21:17
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hurricanerixnotmyname: I started looking over that testr stuff, which isn't the most fun thing ;)21:18
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notmynamehurricanerix: thanks21:18
notmynamedfg: interesting. ok21:18
notmynamedo you need anything before next week?21:18
dfgwhat we have is going really well so far but still tweaking21:18
dfgnotmyname: i don't think so21:18
notmynameok21:19
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notmynamehave you had any opportunity to gather some numbers about it?21:19
notmynamebenchmark numbers21:19
dfgum. i think we're still looking into that. hopefully we'll have something by next week21:20
notmynameok, great21:20
notmynamethanks21:20
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notmynameanything else on that front for this meeting today?21:20
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dfgi added a section for direct to object tests for the hackathon21:20
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dfgin the therpad21:20
dfgbut other than that i don't thin so21:20
notmynameyeah, I saw that. sounds great (and I agree with them being probe tests)!21:21
dfgya21:21
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notmyname#topic ongoing work (other)21:21
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notmynamewhat else are you (anyone) working on that you'd like to give an update on today?21:21
hoI have one question. In OpenStack Installation guide (Kilo), default value for allow_account_management was changed from TRUE to FALSE. do you know the reason?21:22
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notmynameIIRC it was always false in our example configs21:22
notmynameho: false is a more secure option, so that's why our sample config have it that way21:23
hoin keystone env, the value should be TRUE to have an ability to delete account.21:23
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hoi think21:23
mattoliverauI'm debugging an initial version of shrinking in container sharding, hopeing to have it done by hackathon so we can talk about it.. and maybe some benchmarks.. but getting sick got in the way of that.. so crossing fingers I get some in time.21:23
notmynameho: many deployments might have only one (or a few) proxy servers with that on and those are firewalled off to only allow access from an auth system21:23
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notmynamemattoliverau: great21:23
notmynamejoeljwright: what's going on in swiftclient? anything that needs to be brought up?21:24
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joeljwrightI've been digging through the bug backlog21:25
notmynamegreat! thanks21:25
joeljwrighthave closed a couple, confirmed a couple21:25
notmyname(everyone should do that!)21:25
joeljwrightbut I'm going to need help21:25
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joeljwrightthere are also quite a few patches that need some reviews21:25
honotmyname: thanks! in swift we have a lot of garbage. i will check it.21:25
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wbhuberjoeljwright: beep me the ones you'd like to have my help with.21:26
joeljwrightthe no negative feedback dashboard could do with looking at21:26
notmynamehttps://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/python-swiftclient,n,z21:26
joeljwrightwbhuber: thanks21:26
joeljwrightreally, I think there are plenty21:26
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joeljwrightI'm assigning a couple to myself now21:26
joeljwrightbut feel free to pitch in and grab some :)21:26
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notmynamehttps://goo.gl/uO4b7l are "new" bugs for swiftclient21:27
notmynamebugs in a "new" status need to be looked at and confirmed, closed, or get more info21:27
joeljwrightI'll probably ping IRC next week while I know you guys are hacking to try and get some reviews...21:27
notmynamejoeljwright: great21:27
joeljwrightsome of those are up to 4 years old!21:28
notmynameyup :-(21:28
kota_wow21:28
notmynamenext (last) up21:29
notmyname#topic open discussion21:29
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notmynameis there anything else that needs to be brought up this week? patches? bugs? specs?21:30
joeljwrightwho is the best person to talk to about the object expirer?21:30
notmynamejoeljwright: this is a great place to ask :-)21:30
dfgoh- ya. we want to rewrite that thing.21:30
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notmynamedfg: are you working ont hat?21:30
joeljwrightone of the bugs reported relatively recently against the swiftclient is regarding x-delete-at and x-delete-after and segmented objects21:30
notmyname*aren't21:30
MooingLemurI'm having to split the load and run it on 4 hosts in our environment. :P21:31
dfgum- we were starting to but one of our guys got pulled off. meant to put it on the hackthon todo21:31
MooingLemur(object-expirer)21:31
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joeljwrightthis hits me too, so I'd be interested in helping with a patch, but it seems like the wrong solution to have a POST set an expiry header on all segemnts of an object…21:31
notmynamedfg: ah, I was thinking for the reaper patch you just updated21:32
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dfgno. the obj expirere would be a pretty big change. i just forgot to add it21:32
dfgto the hackathon thing21:33
notmynamedfg: can you put it on the etherpad, please?21:33
dfganywya- sorry it wouldn't be any change to how swiftclient uses it. that just reminded me :)21:33
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tdasilvajoeljwright: what's the bug number?21:34
joeljwrightwell that was the point of asking - I think we need a discussion to work out what the 'right' solution here is21:34
joeljwrighthttps://bugs.launchpad.net/python-swiftclient/+bug/147883021:34
openstackLaunchpad bug 1478830 in python-swiftclient "x-delete-at and x-delete-after do not apply to segments of large objects" [Undecided,New]21:34
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1478830 in python-swiftclient "x-delete-at and x-delete-after do not apply to segments of large objects" [Undecided,New]21:34
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1478830 in python-swiftclient "x-delete-at and x-delete-after do not apply to segments of large objects" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/147883021:34
joeljwrightreported against 2.5.0 so, recent21:34
notmynamejoeljwright: I agree (with needing a discussion)21:35
wbhuberkota_: notmyname: can you elaborate on the global ec cluster improvement feature?21:35
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kota_wbhuber: ah yes21:36
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wbhubernotmyname: by looking at the etherpad, it'll be one topic to discuss at hackthon, right?21:36
notmynamelooks like kota_ just proposed a spec21:36
kota_I added just yesterday21:36
MooingLemurI was looking at that21:36
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notmynamewbhuber: the etherpad is goign to seed the topic list we create next week21:36
kota_and pushed a new spec21:36
kota_into swift-spec21:36
wbhuberkota_: good we have ideas to feed to that improvement21:37
zaitcevOh god. Every day I keep postponing looking at specs.21:37
kota_wbhuber: thanks21:37
notmynamejoeljwright: would you prefer to start/keep the discussion in the bug comments for now, or do you think we should push it to the mailing list, or schedule some meeting time, or somethign else?21:37
kota_gerrit is here, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/209447/21:37
kota_I wanna talk about it in detail in hackathon.21:37
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wbhuberkota_: just added myself a reviewer. =]21:37
joeljwrightI think the comments are ok for now21:37
kota_wbhuber: nice!21:38
joeljwrightnotmyname: we can always move the discussion to proposed patches or IRC later21:38
MooingLemurthe multiregion-EC would have rings as wide as the total replicas still, right?21:38
minwoob_kota_: I'll add myself as well.21:38
notmynamejoeljwright: ok, great. thanks for bringing it up :-)21:38
MooingLemurincluding all the extra ones you'd want for geographic dispersion21:38
kota_minwoob_: :)21:38
wbhuberkota_: i imagine both peluse and clayg would like to partake this spec eventually21:39
notmynameoh yeah. there will be a lot of eyes on it, I'm sure ;-)21:39
notmynameanything else to bring up this week, or shall we adjourn early?21:40
kota_wbhuber: I hope so, let's work together :)21:40
wbhuberkota_: you got it.21:40
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notmynameok, that looks like it21:41
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notmynamethanks for coming and participating today.21:41
notmynameand thanks for working on swift21:41
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mattoliverauthanks notmyname for chairing as always :)21:42
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