Thursday, 2015-08-06

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thinrichsHi all00:00
thinrichsTime for the Congress meeting.00:00
thinrichs#startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting00:00
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thinrichsThis is the first time for our new schedule.00:01
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RuiChenhi all00:01
thinrichsLet's give everyone a few extra minutes before we get started.00:01
thinrichsRuiChen: hi!00:01
thinrichsWho is here for the meeting?00:01
thinrichspballand: hi!00:01
masahitohi. and from Palo Alto!00:02
thinrichsmasahito: welcome to town!00:02
thinrichsjwy, Yingxin1: hi00:02
thinrichsA quick follow up about our meeting reschedule.00:03
thinrichs#topic Meeting time00:04
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thinrichsThere was exactly one day we could all make this time.00:04
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thinrichsAnd while it doesn't show it because not everyone voted, there was only 1 time we could make.00:05
thinrichsSo it's a brittle solution, but it works for now.00:06
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thinrichsHopefully that's enough time for people to join who will be joining.00:06
thinrichsLet's move on to the liberty mid-cycle summit.00:06
thinrichs#topic Mid-cycle summit00:07
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thinrichsThe summit is the next 2 days in Palo Alto, CA, USA.00:07
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thinrichsHere is the etherpad.00:07
thinrichsI started putting together some background about what we're doing00:08
thinrichsand how I think we want to structure the next 2 days.00:08
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thinrichsBTW, here's the link with info about the summit, including logistics.00:08
thinrichsWe'll have a remote connection available for those of you who want to participate but can't attend in person.00:09
thinrichsWe'll put the details into the etherpad once we know them.00:09
thinrichsFeel free to modify the etherpad as you see fit.00:10
thinrichsAny questions/comments at this point?00:10
masahitoWhen I go to the place, can I get to there by car?00:11
alexsyip  I’m adding the building and room info now.00:11
masahitoalexsyip: thank you00:11
thinrichsAnything else?  Are we saving everything for tomorrow?00:13
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thinrichsMoving on then.00:15
thinrichs#topic Milestones00:15
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thinrichsLast week we cut the liberty-2 "release"00:15
thinrichsSo we're now in the midst of liberty-3.00:15
thinrichsPlease update your blueprints to target liberty-3, if you're planning to get code into the liberty release.00:15
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thinrichsliberty-3 is feature-freeze, meaning that we only allow bug fixes, documentation updates, etc. into the repo.00:16
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zhenzanzso what about the action listing bp?00:16
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thinrichsliberty-3 is Sept 1-3.00:17
thinrichszhenzanz: looking00:17
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thinrichszhenzanz: looks like I updated the milestone target to liberty-3 already00:18
thinrichsNow that I think of it, I probably updated the milestones for all those that I knew were in progress.00:18
zhenzanzyes, thanks00:18
thinrichsHere are the BP targeted at liberty-3 currently.00:18
RuiChenI can help to review action list BP, would like to see it land on L release.00:19
zhenzanzruichen: thank you00:19
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thinrichsSeems a good time to transition to status updates.00:20
thinrichs#topic Status updates00:20
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thinrichszhenzanz: want to go first?  How are the action-listings going?00:20
zhenzanzI think the main logic is ok00:20
zhenzanzbut not all serivces have good doc to parse00:21
zhenzanze.g. neutronclient00:21
thinrichszhenzanz: could you briefly explain to others what you're working on?00:22
thinrichsThat way maybe they have solutions to the issues you're seeing.00:22
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zhenzanzthe purpose of action listing is to get a list of executable methods congress could execute00:23
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zhenzanzthe way I am working on is to inspect service clients for their APIs and related arguments00:24
zhenzanzand generates a list to return00:24
zhenzanznovaclient has very good document and it's easy to parse00:24
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zhenzanzbut neutronclient doesn't. And it uses decorates which makes it even harder to parse00:25
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thinrichsThe other important piece is that…00:26
thinrichsthe actions that can be executed for any given datasource...00:26
thinrichsare often all the methods that are implemented on the Python client for that datasource.00:27
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thinrichsSo for nova, the actions you can execute via policy that looks like….00:27
thinrichsexecute[nova:ACTION(…)] :- p(x), q(x)00:27
thinrichsare exactly the ones that Nova's python client implements.00:27
thinrichsSo to build a method that enumerates each of the available actions for the Nova datasource...00:28
thinrichswe need to enumerate the methods on the Nova python client.00:28
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thinrichsAnd somehow generate documentation for the possible arguments.00:28
thinrichszhenzanz is using Python's introspection capabilities to try to extract that information.00:29
thinrichszhenzanz: is that about right?00:29
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zhenzanzOne question is that I am not sure if it makes sense that all the methods could be executed in congress00:30
zhenzanzI mean all the parsed methods by a simple inspect00:30
zhenzanzdo we need some kind of filter00:31
thinrichszhenzanz: I think we do want to filter so that people can't execute arbitrary code on the nova-client.00:32
thinrichsI'm wondering if we could do a code-injection attack somehow by say overwriting an existing nova-client method.00:32
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zhenzanzcurrent design will just return the method name, and the user input will be also used as method name. Only method names in the tracked executable_methods could be resolved and then executed.00:35
thinrichspballand, ayip, others: any thoughts here?00:35
zhenzanzso I think it should be ok00:35
thinrichszhenzanz: ok.  I'd say we want to get something merged and then slowly improve it over time.00:36
thinrichsJust having a list of the method names is better than nothing.00:37
alexsyipfiltering seems like a good idea to me.00:37
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thinrichsLet's move on.00:37
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thinrichsRuiChen: want to go next?00:37
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RuiChenworking on bug 147392400:38
openstackbug 1473924 in congress "datasource-row-list API raise 400 exception when thread switching occur in update_from_datasource()" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Rui Chen (kiwik-chenrui)00:38
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1473924 in congress "datasource-row-list API raise 400 exception when thread switching occur in update_from_datasource()" [Undecided,In progress]
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1473924 in congress "datasource-row-list API raise 400 exception when thread switching occur in update_from_datasource()" [Undecided,In progress]00:38
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RuiChenI think the problem is if we use @check_raw_data_changed to only retrun the changed data00:39
RuiChenthe unchanged and deleted data are not present in the translated data00:39
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RuiChenso need a way to mark the different type data in order to empty deleted dta and don't modify the unchanged data in self.update_state()00:40
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thinrichsDoes set_state() solve the problem?00:41
thinrichsIt's basically atomic.00:41
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RuiChenuse set_state, only a problem00:41
RuiChenthe unchanged data don't retrun from @check_raw_data_changed00:42
thinrichsAlso remember that check_raw_data_changed is an optimization—one that I'm guessing we can skip.00:42
RuiChenso if we use set_state, this part of data is removed from self.state00:42
RuiChenyes, if we don't @check_raw_data_changed, I think it should be ok00:43
thinrichsRuiChen: I think I see what you're getting at.00:44
thinrichsIf we use check_raw_data_changed, then implicitly it means we're doing partial updates of self.state.00:44
zhenzanzis there any impact if we want to integrate oslo notification in the future?00:45
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thinrichszhenzanz: I think that's a separable issue00:45
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masahitosorry, connection was disconnected.00:47
thinrichsRuiChen: I do see the issue now.  I didn't before.00:47
thinrichsRuiChen: but I don't have a solution.00:47
thinrichsLet's move on, as we're running low on time.00:47
thinrichsmasahito: want to do a status report?00:47
masahitonothing special.00:48
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thinrichsYingxin1: want to give a status update?00:48
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Yingxin1I have implemented a prototype in for dse-rpc00:49
Yingxin1maybe it is useful in the mid-cycle sprint00:49
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RuiChenYingxin1: it's great!00:50
Yingxin1which is related to the bp
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Yingxin1RuiChen: thanks00:51
thinrichsYingxin1: I'll definitely take a look.00:51
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Yingxin1Thank you00:51
thinrichsYingxin1: Any chance you could push that code to the review system?00:51
thinrichsIt'd be easier for the rest of us to look at it there because it shows us the deltas between the old version and your version.00:52
Yingxin1ok, I can push that to gerrit00:52
Yingxin1before the sprint00:52
thinrichsYingxin1: that'd be great.00:52
thinrichsIn case you haven't done that before, here's the OpenStack guide on getting started.00:53
thinrichsWe're running short on time.00:53
thinrichsAnyone else have something they want feedback on from the group?00:54
thinrichs#topic open discussion00:54
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zhenzanzone more thing: one of the tempest patch is merged00:54
thinrichspballand, alexyip, jwy: sorry we ran out of time for your status updates; pipe up here if you need to.00:54
thinrichsSame goes for anyone else I missed.00:54
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zhenzanzwhen the other tempest-lib is merged, the patch for congress ha tempest patch could be merged00:55
jwythinrichs: np, just lurking today00:55
thinrichszhenzanz: great!  Are you getting any reviews on tempest-lib?00:55
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zhenzanzno for patch set 4 yet00:56
thinrichsLet us know if there's anything we can do to help.00:56
zhenzanzbut it's ok to bypass that patch set. We can catch the socket.error in our code if we want00:56
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thinrichsIt'd be nice to get the tempest tests gating checkins again.00:57
thinrichszhenzanz: is it worth writing the patch we need temporarily until tempest-lib is fixed properly?00:58
thinrichszhenzanz: then maybe we could work on getting the gate working again.00:59
zhenzanzI think so, I am not sure if tempest guy will buy in that patch soon00:59
zhenzanzI can modify the congress patch to catch socket.error exception today00:59
thinrichsSounds great.  Let us if you need anything.01:00
thinrichsOut of time for this week.  Thanks all!01:00
thinrichsDon't forget about the sprint tomorrow!01:00
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RuiChenthank you, everybody :)01:02
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DaisyHello, I will start I18n meeting now.06:00
Daisy#startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting06:00
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DaisyWho is around ?06:00
DaisyHi, katomo06:01
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aengHi Daisy06:01
DaisyHi, aeng. Nice to see you.06:01
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epicoHi Daisy06:01
DaisyHi, epico06:01
DaisyI don't know if we are able to have more.06:02
DaisyAnyway, let's start.06:02
Daisy#topic Prioritise requirements/bugs of Zanata server06:02
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DaisyWe are going to move to Zanata for Liberty release.06:03
aengLiberty is next release I asssume?06:03
DaisyYes, aeng06:03
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DaisyThe string freeze is at the beginning of September.06:04
DaisyWe will start dashboard translation after string freeze.06:04
DaisySo we have less than 1 month before we start the use of Zanata.06:04
DaisyI assume Elizabeth K. Joseph will have everything ready for us, from infrastructure perspective.06:05
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DaisyAccording to the Etherpad page, there are a lot of bugs and requirements feedback from i18n team.06:06
aengAny blocker from infrastructure point of view? as well as blocker issues?06:06
DaisyYes, that's a good question, aeng.06:06
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DaisyI want to Prioritise those feedbacks.06:07
Daisyto have a list of things that are absolutely required before we go into production, and then a wishlist of things that may be important, but we could go into production without them.06:07
DaisySaid by Elizabeth. I agree with her.06:08
DaisySo let's go to Etherpad page, and go through those issues/features one by one.06:09
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DaisyThe first one, aeng, are we able to bypass this issue now ?06:09
DaisyThe question is how to config languages ?06:10
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aengDaisy, if we provide ways to delete language, that will solve the issue right?06:11
DaisyYes. I think so.06:11
camunozDaisy, we can bypass this issue right now by doing a bit of a db clean. Because adding a language to the Zanata instance is an admin level privilege, there won't be much danger of adding unnecesary locales06:12
camunozwe will aim to fix the lack of a "delete" language function for the next release06:12
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Daisycamunoz: you mean, delete all languages from database, and then add languages from the UI ?06:13
camunozno, just delete those repeated languages (e.g. en-Au, en-aU, en-au)06:13
aengDaisy, not deleting all, but modifying data and remove repeated lang06:13
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katomolooks reasonable.06:15
Daisy#3 is a must have.06:15
DaisyI will check with lyz.06:15
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DaisyWhat's your point of view? katomo. I see for manuals, some translations are not imported , whose progress are less than 2%.06:17
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DaisyFor example, Chinese ( Taiwan ) is not imported. The progress is 2%.06:17
katomoI think it's not a problem.06:18
katomoJust need import po files. It's easy.06:18
Daisy#4, it's good to have, yet we can tolerant now.06:19
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Daisy#5, it's a must have.06:20
katomo#5 is very important.06:20
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Daisy#8 now06:21
Daisycamunoz and aeng: are we able to config the length of session time ?06:21
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camunozDaisy, you might be able at the infrastructure side... but do you want it at the application UI level?06:23
katomoDaisy: is it a problem about session time?06:23
camunozI mean, having an admin level screen where you can configure it?06:23
DaisyYes, the session time.06:23
aengI believe its in jboss config06:24
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DaisyTranslators may want a longer session.06:24
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DaisyIn Transifex, I remember I seldom meet with session time out. But in Zanata, the session is very short.06:24
aengYes. And its known to us too06:24
camunozok, so we can talk to lyz or steven to change that (or I can submit a patch) to change it at the server level06:25
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DaisyIs it easy to fix ? camunoz ?06:25
camunoztwo possibilites: 1. change it at the config level - easy, I can look into submitting a patch to the puppet config of the server. or 2. at the application level - medium: we need to add a field on screen to fix it.06:27
camunozeither way it should not be too involved06:27
camunozjust that 2. involves a new server release06:27
katomo#1 sounds reasonable.06:28
aengyup, first option is easier and faster to implement06:28
Daisy#9 now.06:29
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Daisycamunoz and aeng: I understand the logic you want all admins to be notified. But it's really a trouble if all admins get the notification emails, especially there are a lot of admins.06:30
aengDaisy, for request join language, only language coordinator will received the email.06:31
DaisyI want there could be a way to config the "account admins " who are responsible to approve and reject account request, something like that.06:31
aenglanguage coordinator for that language. If there's non language coordinator assigned, admin will receive it instead06:32
DaisyOK. Then I will set up coordinators firstly.06:32
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aengbut for account activation, only admin will receive the emails06:32
Daisywhat is account activation ?06:33
aengwhen signup in Zanata.06:33
aengno really, sorry my mistake06:34
Daisyen...I don't think admins would like to get those lots of email notifications.06:34
DaisyIn Transifex, there is a way to approve or reject in UI.06:34
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DaisyNo email sent because of team requests.06:35
DaisyBTW, I find it's more difficult to add a people to a team in Zanata than in Transifex.06:35
aengDaisy, we don't have it yet in Zanata, but notification features is in our roadmap.06:35
DaisyI have to find the team, then find the user, and then add.06:35
DaisyI will mark it as a wishlist. Hope to have it in the future.06:36
Daisy#10 and #11, aeng and camunoz, could you take some time to read it ?06:36
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aengFor #10, its the warning for html/xml tag positions.06:39
camunozaeng, Daisy, the warning does look invalid from the example.... sounds like a bug06:39
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aengcamunoz, its correct06:39
camunozah! never mind.... it is correct06:40
aengsource has emphasis, placeholder-1 then emphasis again06:40
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aengbut translation have it in different order06:41
camunozthis is a tricky one Daisy as in some languages translators might want to keep the same tag order... on others not so much... this is why it's a warning06:41
DaisyOK. camunoz and aeng, please verify #10 and #11. If they are bugs, please fix them in the future. If they are not, please explain to our translators.06:41
* camunoz is adding a comment on the ehterpad for #1006:42
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DaisyThank you. As time is limited, I will move to next topics.06:42
Daisy#topic Progress track on two bp: "translation check website" and "translation metric"06:42
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DaisyAs to "translation metric", Ily and I have started coding now. Time is very limited, we have to hurry up.06:43
DaisyAs to "translation check website", I see katomo have submitted the patch. Thank you, katomo.06:44
DaisyOK. Now go to open discussion06:44
Daisy#topic open discussions06:45
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clarkbstevenk and I would like to upgrade zanata when is a good time to do that?06:45
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Daisyclarkb: is it a question to whom ?06:46
clarkbalso the meeting time for this meeting on appears to be wrong06:46
clarkbDaisy to the users of the dev server. I dont want to interrupt your work06:46
Daisyclarkb: do you mean upgrade translate-dev ?06:46
Daisyyou don't mean: installing the official translate server ?06:47
Daisyclarkb: if you only mean upgrade translate-dev, you can choose any time. We don't officially use it yet.06:48
camunozclarkb, please let aeng and myself know about this decision so we can be there to assist06:48
epicoI will send an announce email for the above spec soon.06:48
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Daisygot it, epico06:49
clarkbcamunoz can do, I think stevenk is in a timezone closer to yours than mine so maybe we get him to find a good time :)06:49
camunozclarkb, sounds good. thanks06:49
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Daisyok. anything else to talk ?06:51
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Daisyif no, I will close the meeting.06:52
DaisyThank you, katomo.06:52
katomothanks all06:52
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oomichi#startmeeting qa09:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Aug  6 09:00:51 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is oomichi. Information about MeetBot at
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oomichihi who's here today?09:01
dolpher1hi oomichi09:01
oomichi^^^ today's agenda09:01
oomichidolpher1: hi :)09:02
oomichimasayukig: around?09:02
dmelladoHi, is it late for adding a topic about cirros and dhcpv6? ;)09:02
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xwizardhi :)09:02
oomichidmellado: that is fine, please update the wiki09:02
dmelladooomichi: ty!09:03
oomichiok, let's get started09:03
oomichi#topic Specs Reviews09:03
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oomichiDoes anyone have any open specs reviews to discuss today?09:03
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andreafoomichi: I need to update - I'll try to do so this week09:04
gmannoomichi: I again forgot to review your microversion spec :(09:04
gmannll do tomorrow09:04
oomichianderstj: cool, thanks in advance :)09:05
dmelladooomichi: done09:05
oomichigmann: yeah, that is what I want to say, thanks09:05
oomichidmellado: cool09:05
oomichiso there are not so many specs now, is it ok to go to the next topic?09:05
oomichiok, go to next topic09:06
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oomichi#topic Tempest09:06
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oomichiI have one item on this topic for service clients.09:07
oomichinow we are concentrating on compute servie clients as the first step.09:07
oomichithere are 3 topics of patches09:07
jordanPyes, 3 topics09:07
mkodererhello friends, sry I am late09:08
oomichithe first one is almost done09:08
oomichimkoderer: hey, good to come :)09:08
oomichithe second is managed by gmann09:08
oomichigmann: can you introduce the current status?09:09
gmannoomichi: yea, I updated on compute clients first09:09
gmannme and jordanP just discussed those in qa channel09:09
gmannactually unit tests and response one conflict with each other09:09
gmannit will be good if we postponed response one and merge UT first09:10
oomichiok, that is good09:10
gmannafter UT patches i can just rebase mine09:10
oomichiso we need to concentrate UT patches now.09:10
jordanPI agree in this order. gmann is more experienced so we can quickly iterate with him after UT patches land09:10
gmannjordanP: yea09:10
gmannoomichi: we can review UT one fast :)09:11
oomichiand the contributer of UT is new now, so I'd like to get more volunters for UT works.09:11
jordanPso I am not super happy with the current UT patches, it's good start09:11
jordanPbut they don't assert* a lot09:11
jordanPand how the unicode vs bytes strings are handled is a bit weird09:12
jordanPI left a comment 3 days ago on
oomichijordanP: so does it say that seems redundant?09:12
jordanPmy point is, if we want to test proper unicode support, then we should have some "weird" characters in our string09:12
jordanPno I am good with "duplicating tests", one with unicode as input, one with bytes string09:13
oomichijordanP: ah, on nova side, validation ways are different between APIs.09:13
jordanPbut those are unit tests, Nova is "not involved", I mean, http calls are mocked09:13
oomichijordanP: and my concern is that these tests mislead to users when seeing Tempest tests.09:13
jordanPoomichi, what do you mean ?09:14
mkodererjordanP: to test unicode fuzzy test would be helpful..09:14
jordanPmkoderer, that's an option and would be easy to do09:14
jordanPmkoderer, you mean pick "random unicode char" ?09:14
oomichijordanP: some Nova apis denies not-ascii data as requests.09:14
oomichijordanP: but if including byte inputs in all tests, users misunderstand that is valid request09:15
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mkodererjordanP: yeah, if you pick random unicode chars the tests can fail unforeseen09:15
oomichijordanP: but this my concern is small09:15
jordanPoomichi, you mean't "unicode  inputs"09:16
jordanPas far as I know, nova should always accept byte inputs (~ ascii)09:17
jordanPno, no ascii, nevermind :)09:17
oomichijordanP: yes, unicode input also is denied on some APIs.09:17
jordanPI think we shouldn't concider what nova supports or not, we are testing tempest clients09:18
jordanPI don"t expect people to read the unit tests in order to understand nova's api09:18
oomichijordanP: yeah, I feel you are right. and validation ways also will be changed on nova side.09:19
oomichijordanP: so my concern was a little overkill ;)09:19
jordanPoverall i'd like more eyes on the UT patch series, so far it's been only me :)09:19
jordanPthe contributor is really reactive09:20
oomichiso is it fine to test randome unicode data on UT?09:20
jordanPi think it is09:20
mkodererjordanP: this ones:,n,z09:20
jordanPmkoderer, yes09:20
mkodererjordanP: k, I will add them to my review list09:20
oomichiok, that's fine09:20
oomichimkoderer: cool09:21
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jordanPmkoderer, but be nice with the guy :) he's new and he has already done a good job09:21
jordanP(I like your unicode fuzzing idea)09:21
mkodererjordanP: haha I am always nice (hopefully)09:21
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jordanPi know :)09:21
oomichiok, can we move from this service client topic?09:22
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oomichidmellado: the next is your turn :)09:22
dmelladoSure, first of all sorry for the late notice and I wasn't really sure where to address the topic09:22
dmelladoI've been checking this issue in cirros
openstackLaunchpad bug 1366326 in CirrOS "ipv6 support" [Medium,Confirmed]09:23
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1366326 in cirros "ipv6 support" [Medium,Confirmed]09:23
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1366326 in cirros "ipv6 support" [Medium,Confirmed]
dmelladowhere I tried to add ipv6 stateful tests to the scenario/test_network_v609:23
oomichi(oops, a little big earchquak here)09:23
dmelladoAnd I don't know if there's any current idea or status about it09:23
dmelladobut the current cirros image doesn't support DHCPv6, is there any known workaround or plan to address this?09:23
gmannoomichi: scary  for me :)09:23
jordanPdmellado, so no support at all of dhcp v6 in cirros ?09:25
dmelladoNot as far as I know09:25
dmelladoI'm not a real ipv6 expert, but I saw only ping6 from ipv6 tools in cirros09:25
jordanPso there's little we can do about Cirros..., not that I know at least09:25
dmelladoand was curious about how this was being done so far, only slaac?09:25
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jordanPdmellado, I see the bug report, maybe you could propose "a patch"09:26
oomichimtreinish recommended to user the other image on the report09:26
mkodererfor Manila scenario test we are using other images than cirros09:26
dmelladomkoderer: but could that be used to pass the gate later?09:27
dmelladomkoderer: which ones, just out of curiosity?09:27
mkodererdmellado: the are in the gate.. gate-manila-tempest-dsvm-neutron-scenario09:27
dmelladomkoderer: I'll take a look at it, ty!09:28
jordanPdmellado, maybe
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mkodererbut fixing cirros is most propably the best way :)09:28
dmelladoYeah I do agree on that09:28
oomichiagree with the best way09:28
jordanPdmellado, I think your best option is to spend some time to try to submit a patch to cirros09:28
dmelladoI'll try to ping the cirros devs so they would add ipv6-tools09:28
dmelladoor submit a patch myself09:28
jordanPat least start a thread on their mailing list09:29
dmelladothanks jordanP and oomichi ;)09:29
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dmelladohopefully my next topic for next time wouldn't be an earthquake too xD09:29
oomichidmellado: yeah, I hope so. sorry about that :(09:30
dmelladoI guess that's was all from my side, so if you want you can move to the next topic, and again thanks!09:30
jordanPnp !09:30
oomichiok, let's move to the next topic09:30
oomichi#topic Devstack09:30
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oomichidoes anyone have anything to discuss on devstack this week?09:30
oomichi(sorry, I need to ask another topics of tempest before. I'd like to do it on open discussion)09:31
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oomichiok, well if there isn't anything else lets move on09:32
oomichi#topic Grenade09:32
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andreafoomichi: do we have anyone from devstack/grenade team in a TZ compatible with this meeting?09:32
oomichianderstj: I guess no.09:33
mkodererdon't think so09:33
masayukigandreaf: heh, nice question :)09:33
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gmannyea, may be we can skip those topic for this TZ meeting?09:33
oomichiok, I will ask the teams for this time meeting later.09:33
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oomichigmann: yeah, I think so.09:33
oomichiok, let's move to the next topic.09:34
oomichi#topic Critical Reviews09:34
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oomichidoes anyone have any reviews they'd like to get more reviewed?09:34
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oomichiI have one:)
andreafoomichi: well it's not critical - but it's the starting point for moving cred providers to tempest lib:
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oomichianderstj: that seems critical for me.09:35
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andreafoomichi: I'll review your spec today or tomorrow09:36
gmannandreaf: that looks good, just 1 comment about updating hacking.rst09:36
oomichianderstj: thanks :)09:36
oomichijlanoux: this is penstack-infra/project-config patch.09:37
oomichioops, typo.09:37
oomichiandreaf: thanks09:37
oomichijlanoux: can we(qa team) help it?09:37
gmannandreaf: on
mkodererandreaf: and I will review your cred provider patch..09:37
jlanouxoomichi: I think some of the QA guys have infra privileges and in anyway if we can push that09:38
andreafgmann: thanks, I'll fix that09:38
gmannandreaf: Thanks09:38
oomichijlanoux: ah, the second is tempest patch.09:38
jlanouxoomichi: and the third one as well09:38
andreafjlanoux, oomichi: I think only sdague from QA is in project-config-core09:38
oomichijlanoux: yeah, ok. I got it.09:39
mkodererjlanoux: what is the current state of SSH validation in general?09:39
gmannjlanoux: i will review tempest ssh one tomorrow09:39
jlanouxmkoderer: good - only scenario tests are left for migration - then we can improve09:39
jlanouxgmann: thanks09:39
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mkodererjlanoux: ok cool09:40
jordanPanother topic: have we ever concidered third party CI for tempest. We broke a 3rd party ci a few days ago, the CI tests SRIOV feature in nova. If that CI commented we would have known something was wrong. (the revert of the bad patch is here btw: )09:40
oomichijordanP: thanks for pointing it out. will review it alter this09:41
mkodererjordanP: if project mirgate to templest plugin concept we could have even more coupling with 3rd ci's09:42
andreafjordanP: there are a lot of third part CI tests - I think it's up to the maintainers of third party CI system to decide which patches they want to monitor and test09:42
mkodererI am fine with 3rd CI in tempest... if they are maintained in a good manner09:42
jordanPyeah but are we open to it ?09:42
andreafI mean a lof of third party CI systems09:42
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jordanPno 3rd party CI comment on tempest patchs09:43
dmelladothose 3rd party are now and then offline, would that be ok?09:43
andreafjordanP: we use to have some 3rd party CI systems voting against tempest - but I don't see them anymore09:44
jordanPthe problem is that we have tempest code that is never run in the Gate09:44
jordanPlike sr-iov related tests...09:44
mkodererandreaf: there were mostly flaky...09:44
andreafjordanP: I'm not opposed to them voting on tempest - but again it's something that the 3rd party system maintainers should decide I think09:44
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jordanPnot voting, but maybe commenting09:44
mkodererjordanP: for such test we definitly need 3rd party CI in tempest09:45
jordanPwhich we have, but they are silent, unless we broke them and we hear from them then :)09:45
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oomichijordanP: how to know this problem?09:46
gmannbut only issue will be their maintenance if they are voting09:46
oomichijordanP: did you receive any comment from them?09:47
jordanPoomichi, yes here: after the patch was merged09:47
oomichijordanP: the reverting patch doesn't contain a bug report. so I'd like to know how to work them together09:47
jordanPgmann, they should not vote, but leave a comment09:47
oomichijordanP: ah, I see.09:48
mkodererI can talk to the NFV guys and asking about they opinion on that09:48
jordanPoomichi, I can't fill a bug report for a system I don"t own or even run09:48
mkodererI will bring that up in the next telcowg meeting09:48
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mkoderersince SRV-IO is mostly driven by the telco vendors09:49
jordanPI am fine with how things are now, but there"s room for improvement09:49
jordanPmkoderer, yep, that would be good09:50
jordanPmellanox seems to have a working CI09:50
oomichijordanP: yeah, I agree09:50
oomichiwe will face this kind of problem easily in the future09:50
jordanPwe really shouldn"t accept any new code that is not exercised in the Gate or in commenting/voting 3rd party ci09:51
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mkodererjordanP: +109:52
gmannjordanP: totally agree09:52
oomichijordanP: yeah, non-opearated tests are trash09:53
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mkoderercan I give a short status to tempest plugins?09:53
oomichimkoderer: please :)09:53
mkodererso I proted all tests from manila to the interface09:54
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mkodererit need some little nits and then it's ready to merge09:54
mkodererI am currently a bit uncertain about the still exiting dependency of the tests with tempest itseld09:54
mkodererit's currently using tempest.clients, tempest.config, tempest.test09:55
mkodererso if tempest changes something it could break the tests in manila09:56
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jordanP( mkoderer I see you've met Jay.Shen a.k.a the english teacher... man last time I almost lost my temper...)09:56
gmannmkoderer: i think we have plan to move base tests class, clients in lib09:56
mkodererjordanP: haha :)09:56
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mkoderergmann: yeah.. so if everyting is ready in tempest-lib the dependency should be gone09:57
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jordanPgmann, but it's now going to happen real soon09:57
gmannmkoderer: yea09:57
gmannjordanP: not soon :)09:57
jordanP*yeah not soon !09:58
jordanPwhat a typo :)09:58
oomichiI hope soon09:58
oomichimkoderer: so tempest-lib work is blocking your manila work now ?09:58
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mkodereroomichi: not blocking but we have to be careful about it09:59
jordanPit's tricky...10:00
oomichimkoderer: ok, I see the situation10:00
jordanP(time is over...)10:00
oomichioops, thanks all10:00
mkodereroomichi: thx for hosting the meeting!10:00
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jordanPthanks all10:00
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johnthetubaguy#startmeeting nova14:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Aug  6 14:01:00 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:01
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)"14:01
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'nova'14:01
johnthetubaguyhello everyone14:01
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johnthetubaguy#topic Release Status14:02
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johnthetubaguyso we have just passed this: non-priority feature freeze14:02
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johnthetubaguywe reviewed the exception requests14:02
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johnthetubaguyactually had quite a few blueprints merged over the last week, which was good to see14:03
johnthetubaguybut now its time to focus on bug fixes14:03
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johnthetubaguyand completing the priority efforts14:03
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johnthetubaguyanyways any questions on all that?14:04
johnthetubaguy#topic Bugs14:05
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garykis there any chance of getting FFE's or should we just focus on bugs?14:05
johnthetubaguymarkus_z helped sort out a bug triage day14:05
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markus_zOne critical bug is in progress:
openstackLaunchpad bug 1481220 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Cannot boot from volume-backed instance snapshot" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Feodor Tersin (ftersin)14:05
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1481220 in nova "Cannot boot from volume-backed instance snapshot" [Critical,In progress]
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1481220 in nova "Cannot boot from volume-backed instance snapshot" [Critical,In progress]14:05
johnthetubaguygaryk: there were announced on the ML, see previous link14:05
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markus_zRight, yesterday was "bug triage day":
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johnthetubaguymarkus_z: are we lined up for the next bug day?14:07
johnthetubaguyAugust 12: bug review day14:07
johnthetubaguydoes that work for people?14:07
markus_zI'm not quite sure yet, sorry. Will make a query later and post ist to the ML14:08
johnthetubaguymarkus_z: thats cool, just wanting to advertise here14:08
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johnthetubaguy#info August 12: bug review day14:08
johnthetubaguy#info feature freeze exception results can be seen here:
johnthetubaguymarkus_z: cool, any more on bugs?14:08
markus_znope, the rest as usual14:09
johnthetubaguymriedem anything about the gate we need to talk about?14:09
openstackLaunchpad bug 1482230 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "LibvirtConnTestCase.test_clean_shutdown_first_time causes subunit segfault" [Undecided,New]14:09
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mriedemis new14:09
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1482230 in nova "LibvirtConnTestCase.test_clean_shutdown_first_time causes subunit segfault" [Undecided,New]14:09
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1482230 in nova "LibvirtConnTestCase.test_clean_shutdown_first_time causes subunit segfault" [Undecided,New]
mriedem3 hits in check and gate so far, but it's a segfault in libvirt driver tests and i don't see any obvious related changes in the last 24 hours14:09
mriedemso fyi14:10
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johnthetubaguyyeah, nasty14:10
mriedemthat's all i know right now14:10
johnthetubaguymriedem: stable branch, anything there worth mentioning?14:10
mriedemnot for nova14:10
johnthetubaguy#topic Regular reminders14:11
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johnthetubaguyso this is important14:11
johnthetubaguywe are trying to scale out our review efforts14:11
johnthetubaguypart of that is encourage more folks to review things14:11
johnthetubaguybut we are also trying this focus effort using this etherpad:14:12
johnthetubaguylets keep pushing on this14:12
johnthetubaguyat the midcycle we spoke about restarting the trivial patch push also14:12
johnthetubaguythat is all in the same etherpad14:12
dansmithtrivial bug fix you mean14:13
dansmithright? :)14:13
johnthetubaguydansmith: oops, yes14:13
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johnthetubaguyanyways above is the update from the midcycle14:14
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johnthetubaguyat lot of the time was revisit the actions from the summit:14:14
johnthetubaguyanyways, lets move on14:14
johnthetubaguy#topic Stuck Reviews14:14
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johnthetubaguyalaski: I think you are on this review:
alaskiahh, yes14:15
hshiinait is mine14:15
dansmiththat's not stuck14:15
alaskiI'm not sure it's "stuck", but I did want to discuss it here14:15
alaskiI added a topic on this to open discussion14:15
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johnthetubaguyah, no worries, now is cool14:16
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dansmithhshiina: the consensus is use cast() and make sure we have a way to tell if it was not send via the instance actions14:16
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johnthetubaguyoh, so this is an RPC call, which is surprising to me, but I haven't read about the context14:16
alaskiat this point I'm against API requests going down to a virt driver before responding14:16
johnthetubaguyme too, really14:17
dansmithjohnthetubaguy: it's a call because I suggested it be a call initially14:17
alaskiit came up on as well14:17
johnthetubaguywe have instance actions to report any failures I guess?14:17
dansmithwhich was a misguided attempt to not punch our users in the face when they're trying to send an NMI to a stuck instance and we just drop it because the virt driver doesn't support it14:17
dansmithbut instance actions would be much better14:17
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dansmithas long as we handle the RPC pin case, and the virt-unsupported case14:18
johnthetubaguydansmith: alaski: maybe we should write this down somewhere I guess?14:18
dansmithalaski already did14:18
johnthetubaguydansmith: yeah, thats cool14:18
dansmithin the review, which I thought was clear14:18
johnthetubaguyOK, thats cool, I was meaning in general, but thats probably silly14:18
johnthetubaguyhshiina: do you feel unblocked now?14:18
alaskiI can update the devref if you like14:19
hshiinalet me confirm i shoud use cast()14:19
dansmithhshiina: yes14:19
alaskihshiina: yes14:19
johnthetubaguyyes, and handle errors using instance actions14:19
hshiinathanks, i feel unlocked14:19
hshiinai will revise my patches14:19
johnthetubaguyhshiina: awesome, thanks14:19
johnthetubaguy#topic Open Discussion14:19
hshiinathank you for you time14:19
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johnthetubaguy#link cinder spec needs review for nova impact:
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mriedemthat was mine14:21
johnthetubaguythere are some review requests14:21
mriedemnova people should take a gander at that cinder spec,14:21
mriedemcinder wants to get to active/active HA support and part of that is removing locks in the volume manager,14:21
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mriedemhowever it sounds like that breaks some things in their API, so they want to change the API and start returning errors for requests that used to be OK14:21
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mriedemfor polling status or something14:22
johnthetubaguyah, its for active/active, I guess thats why the distributed lock manager discussion also came up14:22
mriedemi've raised up that that's a bad idea...14:22
mriedemthe ML threads are all about this14:22
mriedemtrying to steer them down the path of microversions14:22
mriedemand mimic the old lock behavior in the v1/v2 cinder api14:22
mriedemso if you want HA with cinder you opt in to v2.114:22
mriedemif that becomes a thing14:22
mriedemanyway, it'd be good if it's more than just me saying breaking the API contract is bad14:23
johnthetubaguyyeah, breaking the API contract is bad14:23
johnthetubaguysounds good14:23
mriedemoh yeah,14:23
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mriedemthey are talking about a cross project design summit session14:24
mriedemfor this and some other stuff14:24
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johnthetubaguyyou mean a nova + cinder session?14:24
scottdamriedem: I think ask of cinder agrees it Is bad.14:24
johnthetubaguyyeah, I think that usually means finding a spot in our track, rather than the cross project one14:24
mriedemscottda: ok, i was hearing some 'well it's broken so let's just fix the current api, make people move'14:25
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scottdaNo, I don't think we're going there...14:25
mriedemi'd push to have specs up before summit so it's productive14:25
johnthetubaguymriedem: +114:25
mriedemthere was some other thing about callbacks for extended volumes14:25
scottdaYes.I'm signed up for the specs.14:25
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mriedemscottda: was extended volumes going to come up i nthe cinder meetup?14:25
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mriedemwe can take this elsewhere14:26
scottdaNo, but we can today or tomorrow.14:26
johnthetubaguyso there are some review requests in the agenda, feel free to see those in there14:26
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johnthetubaguyabhishekk: you are linking an ML thread you want a response to, what is the question there?14:26
abhishekkAs per discussion, I have moved this spec in the backlog.14:26
abhishekkRequesting alaski for having a final look as I have implemented his suggestions.14:26
johnthetubaguyabhishekk: the patch appears to be abandoned, the snapshot one14:27
abhishekk ^^14:27
abhishekkyes, that is because of issue in nova14:27
abhishekkEric Harney has implemented it in cinder, but currently marked his patches as WIP due to issue in nova,14:27
abhishekkThis nova changes solves the problem, but as per comment on the patch it's not right way to address this issue.14:27
alaskiabhishekk: I can take a look, but this should be targetted to M right?14:27
abhishekkalaski: yes14:28
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johnthetubaguyabhishekk: I think you need to talk to the patch author about their patch, and if they plan on working on it again, about this one:
abhishekkI guess nikola was about to working for the nova issue14:28
alaskiabhishekk: okay, you mentioned the backlog, which isn't where it should go now14:28
johnthetubaguyah, OK14:28
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johnthetubaguyI would reach out to ndipanov about the details I guess14:29
jordanPjohnthetubaguy, the NFS driver, and glusterfs and quobytes drivers are effected by
abhishekkI had discussion with Eric for this and he said due to nova issue its not good to merge it in cinder14:29
dguryanovAlso vzstorage driver is affected14:29
jordanPjohnthetubaguy, the patch closes 2 bug at nova's side. I've been rebasing it for a couple of weeks14:30
johnthetubaguyjordanP: those bugs are both low priority, is that correct?14:30
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jordanPjohnthetubaguy, one is low the other "no priority"14:30
johnthetubaguyjordanP: I guess I mean, what is the correct priority for those, anyways, we can take that offline14:31
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jordanPokay, but I'd love this have this merged :)14:32
mriedemchrist, _volume_snapshot_delete is 250 LOC14:32
jordanPmriedem, yeah... :)14:32
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johnthetubaguyoh wow, its time for some refactoring in there...14:32
johnthetubaguyanyways, I think we are about done14:33
johnthetubaguyany more for any more?14:33
meghaljohnthetubaguy  alaski needed some input on dynamic quota resources spec targeted for M , it helps achieve quota by flavor, AZ or a combination
meghalam working on an implementation at my company and wanted to be sure that I am as close to upstream direction…lxsli, melwitt and harlowja have been providing great inputs…but some initial feedback from you all would be greatly appreciated14:33
johnthetubaguymeghal: seems like there are comments form alexis that need addressing in there14:34
alaskimeghal: okay, I will take a look.  but it won't be immediately14:34
meghaljohnthetubaguy:  yes…working on those14:34
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ndipanovabhishekk, ah yeah14:34
ndipanovthat thing14:34
johnthetubaguymeghal: I am not reviewing specs much right now, focusing on code reviews, while we try push hard on getting more bugs merged14:34
meghalalaski:  sure…its not time critical…but just some feedback on the direction and the use cases it is addressing14:34
ndipanovlet's talk it through in -nova14:34
abhishekkndipanov: ok14:34
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johnthetubaguyOK, so I feel like we are done now?14:35
meghaljohnthetubaguy:  sure…I understand14:35
johnthetubaguyany more for any more?14:35
johnthetubaguymeghal: I hope to get there eventually, just not right now I am afraid14:35
johnthetubaguyOK... thanks all14:35
abhishekkalaski: thank you14:35
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gordc#startmeeting ceilometer15:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer'15:01
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llu-laptopwe can start meeting without ending the previous one?15:01
gordcllu-laptop: i don't know why it says thirdparty15:02
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gordcit's said that for a while now...15:02
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gordcunless i actually did steal someone's meeting this time...15:02
pradki see ceilo in the topic15:03
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gordcpradk: yeah, but before i started it said. third party... *shrugs*15:03
gordcno one seems to be yelling. so let's start.15:03
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gordc#topic recurring: roadmap items (new/old/blockers)
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* cdent waves shyly15:04
gordcright now i think the major item we're tracking still is the alarm split and getting it all integrated15:04
gordcsileht: i think you've done some of that?15:05
silehtI working on the gate job15:05
silehtbut I block because aodh auth is broken :(15:05
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gordcis this the keystonemiddlware stuff you mentioned?15:05
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ildikovgordc: will the packaging be done for Aodh too during this cycle?15:06
nadyasileht: are you working on functional job, right? I mean moving tests to corresponding folder?15:06
gordcargh. ok. well it's good we caught it now and not 2 weeks from now i gues.15:06
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silehtnadya, no I work on an 'integration' test ceilo+heat+aodh+gnocchi together15:06
gordcildikov: probably need to ask prad... i'm assuming it's done after rc ... and then puppet stuff is done the next cycle15:06
nadyasileht: aha, much more interesting thing :)15:07
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gordcsileht: is the problem specific to aodh+gnocchi? or does it not matter what backend we use15:07
silehtgordc, everything is broken :)15:08
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gordclol well i guess that's easier to fix? maybe?15:08
silehtgordc, it's no fun otherwise ;)15:08
gordci don't think you understand what fun means.15:08
silehtgordc, no really, but we have a workaround15:08
gordcsileht: that's good to hear15:09
silehtgordc, I have will bring the general issue to the ML15:09
pradkildikov, i have something packaged for aodh based on the git, ideally we want it on pypi so its more official15:09
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ildikovgordc: pradk: ok, cool, tnx for the update15:09
pradkildikov, its here for now
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gordccool cool. seems like we ahve aodh *relatively* under control15:09
cdentthat seems a fair statement15:09
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ildikovpradk: cool, tnx15:10
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gordcif we're still blocked next week, let me know and i can maybe escalate it.15:10
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gordcany other critical items we need to discuss in regards to Liberty?15:11
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pradkdeclarative meters is blocked by devstack patch.. so if anyone can pull string and get that in we can merge :)15:11
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pradkgordc you poked qa you said right?15:11
gordcsomeone with good rapport with qa?15:12
nadyapradk: give me a link please15:12
pradkthere are 3 patches depending on this in ceilo15:12
pradkits a clean up patch due to change in approach15:13
gordcpradk: i didn't ask.15:13
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nadyapradk: I'll ping the guy who will help us15:13
pradkty nadya !15:13
gordcnadya: thanks!15:13
* cdent will jiggle some people too15:13
gordcnadya: with functional split merge is this blueprint complete?15:13
gordci don't know the exact scope of the bp15:14
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nadyagordc: Ilya is on vacation... In commit message in merge patch he stated that it's a first patch15:14
gordcit mentions sql... but there's also another bp that specifically says sql15:14
gordcnadya: ok. i'll just leave it as is for now. feel free to mark complete if it is.15:15
nadyaNext step - separate classes and functions from moved files to right15:15
nadyatest types.15:15
nadyagordc: ok15:16
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gordck. anyone else have something to discuss regarding liberty?15:16
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cdentthere's some progress on devstack and grenade plugins: this is bout ready:
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cdentIt is basically correct now and it is possible to merge it before turning it on in any real sense15:18
gordccdent: we should just look at grenade part of experimental?15:18
cdentyes, sadly15:18
cdentas far as I can tell most of those experimental jobs never work15:18
* gordc ignores the red15:18
cdenthaving it merged will make the next steps (on the grenad, devstack and infra sides) a little easier to move forward15:18
cdentideally we'd get all this done before liberty is done as that will make grenade related things cleaner15:19
gordccool. i'll take a look after meeting15:19
cdentossum, thanks15:19
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gordc#action review
gordcany other stuff?15:20
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gordc#topic recurring: ceilometerclient release?15:21
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gordci'm going to ask for a release beginning of next week15:21
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gordcwe haven't had a release in a while and we merged some keystonev3 stuff... and aodh redirect so i think it'd be good to test it out.15:22
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gordcif someone needs something in next release let me know so i can hold off for abit.15:22
cdentrelease early and often15:23
gordcthey took my release button away.15:23
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gordc#topic recurring: Gnocchi status15:23
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cdentinfluxdb in the house!15:24
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nadya(as the last 2 months...)15:24
gordclol way to kill the hype15:24
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nadyaactually I saw +1 fom Jenkins, but jd__ cannot stop and continue send patches15:25
gordccdent: is it just logistics issue? i noticed the tests passed15:25
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gordclocally... i didn't try it with devstack15:25
cdentgordc: It can't devstack yet, but you can make it happen by hand15:26
cdentI'm not sure if jd__ and I are done squabling about the behavior of metricd or not15:26
cdentI think that's the only hangup15:26
gordccool cool. not a blocker (from what i understand)... at least main functionality is there.15:27
gordcthanks for the effort everyone15:27
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gordcgood? good.15:29
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gordc#topic Open discussion15:29
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eglynnI added a late agenda item ...15:29
eglynn"clarify aodh/ceilo-alarming divergence/consistency deprecation/deletion (eglynn)"15:30
eglynnin relation to
gordcdarn. added afgter my refresh15:30
eglynn(versionedobjects adoption in ceilo)15:30
gordc#topic clarify aodh/ceilo-alarming divergence/consistency deprecation/deletion (eglynn)15:30
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eglynngordc: my bad, very late addition just as the meeting started15:30
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eglynngiven the discussion on gerrit, seems it would be useful to explicitly state the policy here about aodh/ceilo-alarming consistency15:31
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eglynndo we require that all in-flight non-bugfix patches for ceilo-alarming are abandoned and re-proposed against aodh?15:31
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gordceglynn: at the micycle we decided it wasn't worth maintaining both aodh and ceilometer-alarm since it was too much of a hassle15:32
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eglynnok, so are we effectively guaranteeing the two codebases will diverge to extent that aodh -> ceilo-alarming:stable/liberty backports are harder than they need to be during mitaka?15:32
gordceglynn: i guess the question is how much maintenance of stable/liberty is required.15:33
gordcaodh is being released independantly.15:33
gordcthat should make it so any one should be able to switch to it easier.15:34
eglynnyeah ... I thought the whole reason for not deleting ceilo-alarming now was that we expected some distros to continue using ceilo-alarming for their liberty release?15:34
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eglynnbut if we don't intend to maintain ceilo-alarming:stable/liberty, would it be a kindness to force those distros onto aodh?15:35
gordcit's was partly a fallback... and partly because jasonamyers gave insight from ops pov that a random break with no warning would not be good.15:35
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eglynnOK, it that's the decision ... seems we should state an explicit policy15:36
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eglynn1. abandon all in-flight non-bugfix patches for ceilo-alarming15:36
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* gordc looks back to midcycle notes.15:36
eglynn2. state that ceilo-alarming:stable/liberty will not be maintained15:37
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gordcsounds right. that was the decision we came to at midcycle...15:38
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gordcif there's issues now that we have it in practice i'm cool with revising15:38
cdentI'm confused about point number 2: what's the issue with direct bug fixes to stable/liberty?15:39
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gordccdent: they won't be straight backports.15:39
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cdentyes, so what?15:40
cdentaodh is a different project15:40
eglynngordc: well TBH it seems like we're not doing the distros any favors by keeping ceilo-alarming until the liberty release, but not doing any stable/liberty maintainence on it afterwards15:40
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eglynni.e. would it be better (long-term) for those distros if we forced them over to aodh before liberty?15:41
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gordccdent: the same reason we chose to stop maintaining current code? it was too hard to keep both in sync.15:41
ildikoveglynn: can we actually force them?15:41
cdentwe're not talking about keeping it in sync15:41
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cdentwe're talking about accept bug fixes to stable/liberty if people have them15:41
eglynnildikov: well by deleting the old/duplicated code15:41
ildikoveglynn: I'm not sure which option is more user firendly... :(15:41
eglynn(or at least strongly discourage them from staying with the old code that we're not planning to maintain)15:42
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gordctbh, i'm not sure what it looks like from distro pov.15:42
ildikoveglynn: I would go for the strongly discourage version TBH15:42
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gordcthe issue wasn't raise at midcycle when asked but if it's an issue, then i guess we need to think about it15:43
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eglynngordc: maybe I've read too much into "i guess the question is how much maintenance of stable/liberty is required"15:43
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pradkfrom distro pov dont we have the control in forcing people to install aodh as being obsoleting ceilo-alarm?15:43
cdentjason told me earlier today that he would not be able to attend today because of an internal meeting that rose up unexpected but his stance was something along the lines of "we need to be more concerned about the end users here, not the distros"15:43
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* eglynn interpreted that as meaning we wouldn't be backporting bugfixes from aodh to ceilo-alarming:stable/liberty15:44
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eglynngordc: ... but maybe you meant more like: "it depends on how many/severe bugs show up after liberty"?15:45
gordcpradk: from distro pov, how would it look like if aodh and ceilo-alarm both existed?15:45
pradkgordc, they cant as they would conflict.. Aodh obsoletes ceilo-alarm15:45
gordceglynn: closer to that. the general idea was a fast-tracked deprecation of ceilo-alarm15:45
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pradkif someone upgrades from kilo -> Liberty ceilo-alarm would be removed and replaced by Aodh15:46
ildikovbut from distro perspective I guess it also matters that when we will be able to release Aodh15:46
gordcpradk: so it's either one or the other?15:46
pradkgordc, correct15:46
gordci guess that means if Aodh works, ceilo-alarm is dead.15:47
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eglynngordc: agreed15:47
pradkexactly, so regardless of if we maintain both alarm and aodh or not.. from distro pov, its Aodh if we upgarde as we replace ceilo-alarm15:47
gordcthe big with keeping ceilo-alarms around was in case we didn't get aodh working in time for liberty.15:47
eglynn... dead but continueing to exist in a zombie state? ;)15:47
ildikovgordc: so currently we have the old code as a "backup" at least this was my understanding15:47
gordcildikov: right15:48
ildikovgordc: ok15:48
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eglynngordc: so if we do get Aodh working to everyone's satisfaction *before* liberty?15:48
eglynn(I asked a similar question on gerrit)15:48
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gordceglynn: the idea was to kill ceilo-alarm as long as aodh works15:49
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cdentone of the caveats there was that who gets to say it works? and one of the answers was "we'll only know that after it is released"15:50
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gordcseeing as it doesn't mean anything to exists when aodh exists, we can change our plan from "remove ceilo-alarms in M*" -> "remove ceilo-alarms when Aodh ready"15:50
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ildikovhas anyone covered the docco part already? (I mean install, config and admin guides)15:50
eglynncdent, gordc: so "works" == fully operational in the gate etc.?15:51
gordcildikov:  the integration isn't complete yet so we can't actually docco the full process.15:51
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pradkiirc we were going to remove ceilo-alarm soon after liberty is cut ?15:51
ildikovgordc: I know, but the docco will need to be updated soon after we consider this activity done15:51
gordccdent: i would guess the distro would decide too as they'll package using aodh... and will ignore ceilo-alarm (whether it exists or not)15:51
gordcildikov: yep.15:52
gordcildikov: we have a resource.15:52
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gordcor you can offer one.15:52
pradkI'm working on fedora/rht packaging, not sure if anyone is looking at ubuntu side of things.. if not they need a fallback in liberty?15:52
eglynncdent: I agree that a sensible distro packager would do that, especially if there's a question mark around ceilo-alarming:stable/liberty maintanence15:53
ildikovgordc: I can offer only myself :)15:53
gordcildikov: if you have time, feel free to take it.15:53
gordcpradk: i'll check. it'd make sense that both distros did the same15:54
ildikovgordc: ok, I will raise a flag, if I don't have the bandwidth or not enough, when we arrive to this point15:54
gordcpradk: you'll probably want to sync with zigo15:55
pradkgordc, sure, i'll check  with him15:55
gordcpradk: when you package for fedora, that essentially means ceilo-alarm is dead.15:55
pradkgordc, pretty much, if they update ceilp-alarm it will be replaces.. unless they blacklist it15:56
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gordcthey would only be able to use celio-alarm if they compiled it themselves.15:56
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gordcso i don't want to maintain ceilo-alarms any longer than we need to... is there any issues from user pov if we remove it asap (even if that means in liberty)?15:58
gordcfrom packaging, it apparently doens't matter.15:58
gordcwhat other ways are there?15:58
eglynnI would prefer removing if it's not going to be kept consistent or maintained15:58
pradkgordc, yea i think majority are still on kilo or older and by the time puppetry ansible etc are in place and ready to consume Aodh should be in a stable state15:59
pradks/are still/would be still/15:59
gordcwe out of time... let's move over to openstack-ceilometer to discuss15:59
eglynnbut if we do keep for liberty, we would need some sort of explicit statement on maintenance15:59
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gordceglynn: will answer in os-ceilometer16:00
gordcthanks folks16:00
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eglynngordc: cool, thanks!16:00
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sridhar_ramanyone here for Tacker ?16:01
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sridhar_ramvishwanathj: sripriya: hi there!16:01
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sridhar_ramlets in a min16:02
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Rajkumar_Hello Everyone16:03
sridhar_ramnatarajk: hi16:03
sridhar_ramalright, lets get started..16:03
sridhar_ramRajkumar_: hi16:03
sridhar_ram #startmeeting tacker16:03
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sridhar_ram#topic Announcements16:03
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sridhar_ram Agenda #link
sridhar_ramQuick, yet another reminder on Tacker Midcycle...16:04
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sridhar_ram  scheduled for Aug 20 - 21st  #link
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sridhar_ram  Please RSVP / update the etherpad16:05
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sridhar_ramAnother quick update on our top-level wiki ...#link
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sridhar_ramit now has the updated Mission & Scope !!16:06
sripriyasridhar_ram: nice!16:06
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sridhar_ramboth the text and the overview diagram now has the new scope!16:06
sridhar_ramsripriya: thanks16:06
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sridhar_ramIf anyone here as further question on the new clarified mission of this project .. please bring it up16:07
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sridhar_ramQuick point on the OpenStack release timeline16:08
sridhar_ramwe are in Liberty-316:08
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sridhar_ramapprox 3 weeks remaining in L316:09
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Rajkumar_Sorry got disconnected and joined back16:09
sridhar_ramwe need to plan a Tacker Liberty release soon16:09
sridhar_ramGiven couple of specs - health-mon & MANO API - are in flight we need to extend a bit beyond L3 for Tacker16:10
sripriyasridhar_ram: so we will have liberty branch along with master after the feature freeze16:10
sridhar_ramExactly ..16:10
sridhar_ramwe can perhaps go until mid-Sept to pull the release/liberty branch16:11
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sridhar_ramso please plan your commits and PSs accordingly if you want to make it to Liberty16:11
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sripriyasridhar_ram: that would be helpful16:12
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sridhar_ramlets move on..16:12
sridhar_ram#topic MANO API16:13
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sridhar_ramsripriya: any quick updates?16:13
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sripriyasridhar_ram: sure16:13
sripriyasridhar_ram: thanks for providing your comments16:13
sridhar_ramsripriya: sure16:13
sripriyaafter looking into some of the attributes in bit more detail, it appears we can do away with some attributes16:14
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sripriyalike mgmt_driver, service_context, service_type16:14
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sripriyathese attributes will however need to be part of the request dict_ and we need to ensure that16:15
sripriyain case the yaml file will not contain these attributes16:15
sripriyaso basically, the tacker db is expecting them on the outer request dict body16:16
sripriyaelse it will error out16:16
sridhar_ramsripriya: totally agree on service_context and service_type, can be done away w/16:16
sridhar_ramsripriya: I see, I was about to ask any DB impact .. which we should avoid for this round16:16
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sripriyaand code to handle service_context is present, we are not using it thought16:16
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sripriyayes, we need to have them in request body16:17
sripriyabut we can populate it after reading vnfd16:17
sridhar_ramon the mgmt_driver attr: the question to the wider team is VNF needs one mgmt_driver for the whole VNF including for all of its VDUs (= VMs)16:17
sridhar_ramor should it be per VDU16:17
sripriyawe need not specify it as part of the API16:17
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sridhar_ramsripriya: sounds good (for your db related resp)16:18
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sripriyasridhar_ram: as far as i understand, it can be per VNF and not per VDU16:19
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sridhar_ramsripriya: then the scenario I would like to understand .. if VNF is a multi-VM VNF16:20
sripriyajust to confirm all VDUs are spawned from the same vnf image16:20
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sridhar_ramcan one mgmt_driver be the same16:20
Rajkumar_sripriya - if we keep it per vnf it would be difficult to performs operations since VM spec can be different and pupose as well16:21
Rajkumar_per VDU16:21
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sripriyawell, we may have the case where one VDU does Firewall and other vRouter..16:21
sridhar_ramsripriya: no, that may not be the case .. each VDU might be different VM image.. image .. control-pl VM vs DP plane16:21
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Rajkumar_Agree +116:22
sripriyasridhar_ram: ok16:22
sridhar_rambut this example I gave it a bad one .. ;-)16:22
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sridhar_rambut there are some VNFs like vEPC which are complex and the have different subsystems in VMs16:22
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sridhar_ramand they need different ways to configure16:23
sripriyaand they will have diff. configs16:23
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sripriyasridhar_ram: right16:23
sridhar_ramdiff configs is fine .. we can handle in our config.yaml structure16:23
sridhar_rameach VDU can have different snippets of config..16:23
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sridhar_ramthe question is whether we can have *one* mgmt_driver for a whole multi-VM VNF16:24
sridhar_rams3wong: hi16:24
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sridhar_ramRajkumar_: that's a valuable input...looks you would vote for per VDU mgmt_driver ?16:25
sripriyasridhar_ram: can you elaborate 'different ways to configure'?16:25
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sridhar_ramsripriya: sure..16:25
Rajkumar_yes. Sridhar.16:25
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Rajkumar_or on the whole we can have management driver per VNF whicn in turn takes care of VDU config as well16:26
sridhar_ramimagine a complex multi-VM VNF (like vEPC or others).. where (I'm cooking up here) pcsf-VDU need configuration using RESTapi, another control-pl VDU needs some config using NETCONF/YANG and another VM might need something adhoc CLI-over-SSH16:27
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Rajkumar_one more thought - We can have management driver per connection protocol. for e.g. Netconf for YANG16:28
sripriyasridhar_ram: i see...16:28
sridhar_ramthis is where mgmt_driver per VDU will help16:28
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Rajkumar_CLI commands for Telnet/SSH and Rest API's for HTTP16:28
shrinathsureshlooks like we need mgmt_driver per vdu to handle these complicated scenarios16:28
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sripriyathen do we need a 'plugin' instead of 'drivers' ?16:29
Rajkumar_We have devices which supports CLI and few Netconf and few HTTP16:29
Rajkumar_in this way we can generalize the management driver as well16:29
Rajkumar_yes whichever is simpler and convenient16:30
sridhar_ramRajkumar_: sure, that came up few times as well16:30
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sridhar_ramthere are some that can be generalized like NetConf16:30
sridhar_rambut we can't for RESTapi which is inherently VNF / VDU specific16:31
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Rajkumar_one example - for arista device we use HTTP to do config16:31
sridhar_ramwe also plan for a generic SSH-replay driver .. that can be handy too16:31
sridhar_ramRajkumar_: sure, but you would need to write specific arista mgmt_driver code to sent those rest/http calls16:32
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sridhar_ramthat can't be generalized16:32
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sripriyasridhar_ram: i kinda see mapping witn neutron ml2 drivers :-) like type and mechanism16:32
s3wongit sounds like we need an ML2 equivalent model16:32
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Rajkumar_Sridhar :one more example: we need to use HTTP for tail-f to push configuration16:33
sridhar_ramsripriya: Yeah, I see some pattern emerging here!16:33
s3wongsingle plugin, multiple drivers16:33
sripriyas3wong: :-)16:33
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s3wongsripriya: typing that at the same time as you :-)16:33
sridhar_ramgiven we are early in this "exploration" cycle .. I'd say leave the mgmt_driver attr in the API16:34
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sripriyasridhar_ram: ack16:34
sridhar_ramRajkumar_: those a nice inputs...16:34
Rajkumar_Thank you16:34
sridhar_ramTacker, over time, having a rich set of drivers what different transports will help to quickly onboard new VNFs using Tacker16:35
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s3wongsridhar_ram: yes, that has always been the goal16:35
sripriyasridhar_ram: +116:36
sridhar_ramLet me add an some entries in our etherpad backlog to revisit this16:36
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sridhar_ramanything else on MANO API ?16:37
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sripriyasridhar_ram: i will submit a a new patchset and respond to your comments16:37
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sridhar_ramsripriya: sounds good16:37
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sridhar_ramshrinathsuresh: Rajkumar_: please review the spec at the earliest16:38
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sridhar_ramlets move on..16:38
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sridhar_ramprashantD: hi16:38
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sridhar_ram#topic Basic AutoScaling16:38
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Rajkumar_Sridhar - Suresh & Xin are from my team as part of TCS-Comcast Contributors16:39
sridhar_ramcan you provide an update ?16:39
sridhar_ramRajkumar_: cool. Welcome to the team - folks!16:39
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s3wongRajkumar_: great! Welcome to the team --- what are their IRC nics?16:40
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s3wongshrinathsuresh: that is Suresh. Welcome!16:40
Rajkumar_Xin_ welcome16:40
s3wongXin_: that is Xin. Welcome!16:40
prashantDon the autoscaling side it is possible setup a autoscaling enviroment using heat & ceilometer16:41
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prashantDso I am looking into ceilometer...sridhar_ram pointed me to a good write up on how that is done and I am still going through the writeup16:41
s3wongsridhar_ram: speaking of auto-scaling... do we have the policy description for auto-scaling on TOSCA?16:41
sridhar_ramAs you can image, this is a big topic ..16:41
prashantDwe have to enhance TOSCA template16:42
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s3wongit is a big topic, very interesting (probably need to set up LBaaS instance automatically as well), and thanks prashantD for taking on this task16:42
sridhar_rams3wong: there are some simple primitives16:42
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sridhar_rams3wong: exactly, almost wrote the same16:43
s3wongsridhar_ram:  :-)16:43
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Rajkumar_Auto scaling group can be used for auto scaling with ceilometer policies16:43
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sridhar_ramscope is to leverage basic Heat autoscaling using Tacker+TOSCA16:43
sridhar_ramvery, very limited ... to get some proof points16:44
sridhar_ramthis also ties back to our multi-VDU VNF scenario16:44
Rajkumar_we did it with cpu_util16:44
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sridhar_ramI have been hammering Tacker mostly using "complex" VNFs these days to see how it performs16:44
sridhar_ramRajkumar_: that's cool.. perhaps you can colloborate w/ Prashant16:45
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s3wongRajkumar_: I do think Ceilometer is mostly dealing with VM/server specific metrics16:45
prashantDRajkumar : so initially it is just going to be cpu_util16:45
sridhar_ramprashantD: Rajkumar_: again, lets keep the scope limited to Heat AutoScaling group + Ceilometer avg cpu_util16:46
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prashantDs3wong, sridhar_ram : do we need to setup LBAAS or we should be fine without that initially?16:46
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sridhar_ramI'd vote not to be sucked into a specific VNF16:47
s3wongprashantD: how do we load balance traffic otherwise? do we expose new VNF IP address to users every time we scale up?16:47
sridhar_ramyou need to do lots of LBaaSy things to test your code16:47
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s3wongsridhar_ram, prashantD: also, I could be wrong, but I thought LBaaS instance is part of the auto-scaling Heat template?16:48
sridhar_rams3wong: prashantD: again, we got to be bit generic here16:49
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sridhar_ramcan't make anything specific that applies only for LB.. atleast in this initial round16:49
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s3wongsridhar_ram: sure. As far as LB is concerned, even NFV MANO spec talked about that as a deployment case16:50
sridhar_ramprashantD: I'd suggest you to write a tacker-spec while you are exploring this16:50
s3wongsridhar_ram: that for sure16:50
s3wongprashantD: it is definitely a big enough feature that we need a spec to review16:51
sridhar_rams3wong: sure, we can apply the auto-scaling feature of Tacker and see if it holds .. but I just want to caution to design Tacker's auto-scaling with only LB in the picture16:51
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sridhar_ram*not to16:51
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s3wongsridhar_ram: sure. I do think we can design it with LB and no LB option16:52
sridhar_ram#action prashantD to write a tacker-spec for Basic AutoScale16:52
sridhar_ramlets move on16:52
s3wongsridhar_ram: though the last time I read the MANO spec, the no-LB option is very vague...16:52
prashantDsure I will write spec...are we planning on passing traffic with initial auto-scale proof of concept?16:52
sridhar_rams3wong: sure16:52
sridhar_rams3wong: we will remove the vague-ness in the MANO spec..16:53
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sridhar_ram#topic Testing16:53
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sridhar_ramI'm still waiting for some test to land in the repo before enabling new gate jobs16:53
s3wongprashantD: let's get the end to end orchestration flow going --- that is with whatever limited TOSCA defined VNFD w.r.t. auto-scaling, and generate equivalent Heat template and auto-scaling group16:54
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Rajkumar_I committed one bug fix and its working fine but Jenkins build shows error. Please help us16:54
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vishwanathjRajkumar_, share the link to your patch set16:54
sridhar_ramRajkumar_: sure, we have enough folks here to guide you16:54
prashantDs3wong : okay, got it, thanx16:55
Rajkumar_Jenkins log16:55
Rajkumar_patch bug/148188816:55
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sridhar_ramI hope w/ new code changes like MANO API & Health mon we will have more unit-tests..16:56
sridhar_ramwe are looking to fixup some existing servicevm functional tests16:56
vishwanathjRajkumar_, The bug does not have link to the patch set16:56
sridhar_ramtempest / scenario tests are little further out .. we should consider it for the next cycle..16:56
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sridhar_ram#topic Open Discussion16:57
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Rajkumar_But we followed all the steps correctly16:57
s3wongsridhar_ram: what other tests are we running now for gate?16:57
sripriyaRajkumar_: commit message shoud be fixed16:57
sripriyait cannot exceed 50 characters16:57
sripriyathat is the Jenkins error16:57
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sridhar_rams3wong: just pep8 for now, but that will change soon16:58
sridhar_ramFolks - I use this link to look at all Tacker reviews16:58
s3wongsridhar_ram: so Rajkumar_ bug fix fails pep8? that shouldn't be too hard to fix, right?16:58
Rajkumar_Ok. let me commit again with less chars, is that will resolve the issue?16:58
sridhar_ramplease bookmark this!16:58
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s3wongsridhar_ram: I am way behind... but I will be off next week, so should pick up on the review backlog16:59
sridhar_rams3wong: Rajkumar_ need to fix his patchset (looks commit msg)16:59
vishwanathjRajkumar_, sripriya is right about the commit message causing the issue you are seeing16:59
sridhar_ramalmost time guys!16:59
sridhar_ramlets continue if you want in the #tacker channel16:59
s3wongThanks, guys!16:59
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sridhar_ramwe are two week away for Midcycle16:59
sridhar_rams3wong: have a nice vacation!16:59
Rajkumar_Thanks. I'll commit again16:59
sridhar_ramlets wrap17:00
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sridhar_ramthanks everyone, that was a good mtg!17:00
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shrinathsureshThanks !!!17:00
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PsychoBoBHi Guys18:41
PsychoBoBDo you listen my band?18:41
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PsychoBoBThis is the link
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stevemarterrylhowe: briancurtin sigmavirus2419:03
terrylhowemeeting today?19:04
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stevemari'm in19:04
terrylhoweshould we cut a new release?19:04
terrylhowethat would be my only topic19:04
stevemarterrylhowe: yeah, thats my only topic too19:04
stevemarwe need to finish up volume19:04
terrylhowealthought normal bugs, reviews would be good too19:04
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terrylhowevolume list is still out there I think for v219:05
stevemarterrylhowe: we can start a formal meeting?19:05
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stevemarterrylhowe: up for a quick formal/logged chat?19:06
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terrylhowe#start openstackclient19:07
terrylhowesomething like that19:07
stevemarbeat me to it!19:07
stevemar#startmeeting openstackclient19:07
openstackMeeting started Thu Aug  6 19:07:20 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is stevemar. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:07
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stevemarterrylhowe: chat about what we want 1.6.0 to look like and work our way backward?19:08
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stevemarfor sure, i want the rest of the volume commands in19:09
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stevemarjiaxi and heha are working on a patch each19:09
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stevemar and
stevemarand i think at that point, we're parity with volume v1 and v2 - or pretty darn close anyway19:10
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terrylhoweshould we wait for those two? might be a while.19:12
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stevemarthey are fairly straightforward19:12
stevemari'll do the list one if you do the set/unset one :P19:12
stevemarwe could get them approved in an hour or two :P19:13
lhchengI'm still not sure about the display_name in the list volumes v2, I'll test it later after the meeting19:13
lhchengthought the display_name changed to names in the volume v2 api19:13
stevemarlhcheng: i think it did19:13
stevemari'll be exercising a bunch of the volume v2 commands manually soon19:13
terrylhoweI think so too19:13
stevemarjust to make sure we're not being silly19:13
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stevemarsecondly, i'm OK with not making the cut19:14
stevemardtroyer had some fairly large concerns about it19:14
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lhchengokay, I'll try to play around with the commands too19:14
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stevemarand lastly we should review + play around with the logging patch from the folks at fujitsu19:15
stevemari think once those 3 are in, we can cut 1.6.019:16
terrylhoweThe docs on the log patch, I’m not happy with using operation_log: I don’t like either19:16
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terrylhoweI’d love to get the log patch through though19:17
stevemarterrylhowe: propose another name19:17
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terrylhowewell part of the problem I don’t think this is going to work with our current command line options overriding OCC19:18
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terrylhowemy proposed othername would be ‘openstackclient’19:18
stevemarthis will probably be our largest release, 30 bugs and 2 blueprints19:18
stevemarand a change in cliff, too19:18
terrylhoweyeh, pretty producting release19:18
stevemarso get ready for something to break lol19:19
terrylhowewe are still waiting on cliff, no?19:19
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stevemardid it not release?19:19
terrylhoweyeh, we need another cliff release19:19
stevemardhellmann: q about cliff release?19:19
terrylhowelast release was 6/9 and we were waiting on something I think19:20
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stevemaryeah, we're waiting on the --help fix, and the git style help when you have a typo19:22
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stevemar#action stevemar to bug dhellmann about a cliff release19:22
stevemarwere we waiting on another lib...19:23
terrylhoweocc released19:23
stevemaroh occ19:23
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stevemarit released?19:23
stevemaryeah, we're using 1.4.0 now19:24
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stevemarterrylhowe: so i think we're getting super close19:24
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stevemari'll focus on the volume stuff19:25
stevemarlets get those + logging in19:25
stevemarand call it19:25
terrylhoweI’ll work on getting that logging stuff through19:25
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stevemarcool, i'll focus on OSC for a day or two to get it in shape19:25
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stevemarend meeting early, lets get those patches in19:26
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stevemardid you have anything else you wanted to chat about?19:26
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terrylhoweI was jsut looking at the latest bugs and I don’t see much that needs to be discussed19:29
terrylhoweI guess I am g2g19:29
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mriedemyou guys broke everything!19:29
openstackLaunchpad bug 1482350 in OpenStack-Gate "gate-tempest-dsvm-large-ops fails in stable/juno due to uncapped dep problems with osc" [Undecided,Confirmed]19:30
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1482350 in openstack-gate "gate-tempest-dsvm-large-ops fails in stable/juno due to uncapped dep problems with osc" [Undecided,Confirmed]19:30
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1482350 in openstack-gate "gate-tempest-dsvm-large-ops fails in stable/juno due to uncapped dep problems with osc" [Undecided,Confirmed]
terrylhoweoh, is that all19:30
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stevemarmriedem: ohhh19:31
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terrylhowewe need to do a quick cap on ksc for stable/juno?19:32
stevemarmriedem: i hate stable branches19:32
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stevemarand how we do crazy things with dependencies19:32
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stevemarmriedem: do we need to cap ksc?19:32
stevemarfor juno19:32
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mriedemwhy isn't there a stable/juno branch for osc?19:32
terrylhoweno idea19:33
mriedemsorry to barge into your meeting, but i felt like being dramatic19:33
mriedemwe can yap in -dev19:33
stevemarmriedem: it's fine, we were going to finish up19:33
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stevemarmriedem: we only made one for stable/kilo because thats when all the libraries were making stable branches19:34
stevemardhellmann made the branch i think, around the same time he made stable branches for all oslo libraries19:34
stevemari guess we didn't need one for juno at the time19:34
mriedemyeah novaclient doesn't have a stable/juno branch either19:34
mriedemosc 1.0.1 has uncapped deps i guess19:35
mriedemand that's the cap for osc in stable/juno19:35
stevemarpython-*clients only got stable releases last release i think19:35
mriedemmtreinish: maybe needs to be <1.219:35
mriedemso we could do a 1.0.219:35
stevemarmriedem: yeah, we weren't think of capping deps back in our 1.0.1 days19:36
mriedemwe'd need a stable/juno for osc to cap it's reqs and release 1.0.2 though19:36
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mriedemthings were so willy nilly back in those days19:36
stevemarso willy and so nilly19:36
terrylhoweyeh, I’ve never understood why there is a bug number in those19:36
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mriedemok, so it sounds like the path forward is (1) stable/juno branch for osc, (2) cap reqs on stable/juno for osc, (3) release that as 1.0.2, (4) raise cap in g-r to <1.119:37
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terrylhowestevemar: are you in the release group for osc?19:38
terrylhoweI don’t think I am19:38
stevemarterrylhowe: i am, but i've never released it before, dtroyer always did it19:38
stevemari had a TODO to chat with dhellmann about the process19:38
stevemarlooks like now is the time!19:39
mtreinishmriedem: maybe, I don't know enough about what changed between 1.0.1 and 1.2 to weigh on whether thats a good idea or not19:39
mriedemmtreinish: yeah, we'd have to look i guess19:39
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mtreinishmriedem: i mean I guess we can push a test patch to find out one way or the other19:39
mtreinishI think theres a tempest job on g-r19:39
terrylhowegit tag -s 1.0.2&& git push gerrit 1.0.219:39
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mriedemmtreinish: yeah, we have some other steps before we get there though19:40
mriedemi have the steps in here
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mriedemit's 2:40 and my wife wants to go test drive cars, doesn't she know juno is wedged and it's not a good time?!19:41
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mriedemstevemar: terrylhowe: what would we create a stable/juno branch from?  the 1.0.1 tag?19:41
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terrylhowethe sha1 I guess19:42
terrylhoweyeh, teh tag19:42
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mriedemi guess there is a 1.0.2 already19:42
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mriedemwill semver allow
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stevemarmriedem: can you explain more about step 3? "release that as 1.0.2"? did you think we didn't have 1.0.2?19:43
mriedemstevemar: yeah19:43
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stevemarmriedem: yeah, we do, i see now... might work19:43
mriedemi'm not so sure on
mriedempbr 0.11 might barf19:44
stevemarright, we're limited to old pbr since we're in juno land19:44
mriedemlifeless: will pbr 0.11 with semver allow a release of
mriedemstevemar: no, it's just that pbr since 0.11 started enforcing that19:44
mriedemlatest pbr would barf too i think19:44
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stevemarwell this is getting ugly fast19:45
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terrylhowethings might work with a 1.0.5 with a capped ksc19:46
mriedemi'm also wondering why this only started blowing up since 8/519:46
mriedemi don't really see anything related released yesterday19:47
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stevemarmight it be easier to limit the ksc/ksm/novaclient versions in juno?19:47
stevemaror we'll still need a stable/juno release of osc anyway?19:48
mriedemthose are already all capped19:49
mriedemit's osc 1.0.1 that is bringing in novaclient 2.2619:49
mriedemsince it's uncapped in osc 1.0.119:49
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mriedemdhellmann: are you around?19:50
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stevemarmriedem: we called his name a few times during the meeting and he normally replies, but not today19:51
mriedemok, and mordred is on vacation i think19:51
mriedemso, i'm going to tinker with in setup.cfg of osc 1.0.1 and see how that works19:51
stevemargo for it, i'll be online to help19:51
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stevemarany other topics? or dramatic entrances?19:53
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