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JRobinson__ | Hello all, the APAC docs meeting is set to start in a few minutes, | 00:28 |
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darrenc | thanks JRobinson__ | 00:29 |
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JRobinson__ | np darrenc | 00:29 |
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asettle | thanks jr | 00:31 |
asettle | JRobinson__, * | 00:31 |
Sam-I-Am | yo | 00:31 |
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bmoss | hi everybody | 00:31 |
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loquacities | hello everyone! | 00:32 |
dnavale | hello | 00:32 |
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loquacities | #startmeeting docteam | 00:32 |
openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 19 00:32:15 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is loquacities. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:32 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:32 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 00:32 |
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loquacities | roll call! | 00:32 |
Sam-I-Am | yo | 00:32 |
sicarie | o/ | 00:32 |
katomo | o/ | 00:32 |
bmoss | howdy | 00:32 |
darrenc | hi! | 00:32 |
dnavale | hi | 00:32 |
JRobinson__ | JRobinson__, morning o/ | 00:32 |
loquacities | hi everyone, great to see you all :) | 00:32 |
loquacities | this should be a pretty speedy meeting, i think | 00:32 |
loquacities | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 00:33 |
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loquacities | the only one i can see is one for andreas, who isn't here | 00:33 |
loquacities | so let's move on | 00:33 |
loquacities | #topic Liberty specs in review #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/docs-specs,n,z | 00:33 |
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loquacities | there's only one outstanding, which is the third party drivers one: | 00:34 |
loquacities | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191041/ (Third Party driver docs - still up for discussion) | 00:34 |
Sam-I-Am | yeah, that one... | 00:34 |
loquacities | in related news, the new API one got merged this morning: | 00:34 |
loquacities | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/209669/ (API Docs, merged) | 00:34 |
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loquacities | Sam-I-Am: are you going to do another patchset on the driver docs one? | 00:34 |
Sam-I-Am | i... maybe? | 00:35 |
loquacities | :) | 00:35 |
Sam-I-Am | i havent been keeping track given all the other 'issues' | 00:35 |
loquacities | i think we have some kind of violent agreement now | 00:35 |
loquacities | i can do a patchset if you want | 00:35 |
Sam-I-Am | that would be nice | 00:35 |
loquacities | ok | 00:35 |
* loquacities adds it to her list | 00:36 | |
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loquacities | ok, that's it for specs? | 00:36 |
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loquacities | let's move on to speciality teams | 00:36 |
loquacities | #topic Speciality teams: #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/SpecialityTeams | 00:36 |
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amandap | o/ | 00:36 |
loquacities | hiya amandap | 00:36 |
loquacities | #info HA Guide - RST migration complete, need help with updating content. | 00:37 |
amandap | loquacities: Hiya :) | 00:37 |
loquacities | i've pinged the HA guide team to ask how they're going with publishing the RST guide, but haven't heard back yet | 00:37 |
loquacities | any HA people lurking? | 00:37 |
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loquacities | i'll take that as a no | 00:37 |
loquacities | #info Install Guides - RST migration complete, testing for Liberty starting soon. | 00:37 |
loquacities | #info Networking Guide - Test & review for Liberty updates. | 00:38 |
loquacities | Sam-I-Am: any update on networking? | 00:38 |
Sam-I-Am | yeah | 00:38 |
loquacities | hit us | 00:38 |
Sam-I-Am | more or less updated all of the scenarios, except for that patch that was merged too early | 00:38 |
loquacities | *sigh* | 00:39 |
Sam-I-Am | getting assaf muller to look at it, and then i'll update the linuxbridge version | 00:39 |
loquacities | cool | 00:39 |
Sam-I-Am | then we're done with those... i think | 00:39 |
loquacities | yay! | 00:39 |
Sam-I-Am | and | 00:39 |
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Sam-I-Am | there's also a push to get more involvement in the underlying cloud networking knowledge | 00:39 |
Sam-I-Am | we need more bodies | 00:39 |
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asettle | "Bodies" because nobody comes out alive?! | 00:40 |
Sam-I-Am | yes | 00:40 |
Sam-I-Am | there's a big gap in content now | 00:40 |
asettle | Great. | 00:40 |
Sam-I-Am | the scenarios are good, but not good if you have no clue whats going on with virtual networking | 00:40 |
Sam-I-Am | with everything else going on, it took me a couple months just for the scenario updates in kilo | 00:40 |
Sam-I-Am | now we're getting back to the install guide | 00:41 |
Sam-I-Am | so... | 00:41 |
Sam-I-Am | bodies | 00:41 |
loquacities | yeah, it's a constant problem | 00:41 |
Sam-I-Am | same with the install guide, really | 00:41 |
Sam-I-Am | or docs in general | 00:41 |
loquacities | maybe we should stake out upstream university to catch the fresh meat? ;) | 00:41 |
loquacities | i can highly recommend having docs mentors at that, actually | 00:41 |
asettle | Wow. They're not salmon. | 00:41 |
loquacities | we ended up with about three new docs ATCs from Vancouver | 00:42 |
asettle | Ahhhh actually, are they? | 00:42 |
loquacities | at least two are still around and actively contributing | 00:42 |
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Sam-I-Am | better work on scaring them away too :) | 00:42 |
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loquacities | is anyone planning on attending that in tokyo? | 00:42 |
katomo | y | 00:43 |
loquacities | katomo: yay! | 00:43 |
loquacities | as mentor? | 00:43 |
katomo | yes, as mentor | 00:43 |
loquacities | that's great news :) | 00:43 |
loquacities | sadly, i can't make it this time | 00:43 |
katomo | np | 00:44 |
loquacities | anyway, let's move on | 00:44 |
loquacities | #info Security Guide - RST conversion complete, and live. | 00:44 |
sicarie | Yay | 00:44 |
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loquacities | go check it out, it's all shiny now :) | 00:44 |
loquacities | #info User Guides - Cloud Admin Guide RST migration complete, work starting on reorganisation. | 00:44 |
loquacities | JRobinson__: any update on the user guides? | 00:44 |
JRobinson__ | Yes definitely - | 00:44 |
JRobinson__ | as mentioned in the most recent newsletter, all the content is now converted \o/ | 00:45 |
loquacities | \o/ | 00:45 |
amandap | \o/ | 00:45 |
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loquacities | close to publication, too? | 00:45 |
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bmoss | JRobinson__, was there a resolution to those auto generated files? | 00:46 |
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JRobinson__ | common files attached to the guide are also now converted | 00:46 |
loquacities | yay | 00:46 |
JRobinson__ | bmoss, there was a brief discussion on the mailing list | 00:46 |
bmoss | I think those two files are the final blocker to publication | 00:47 |
JRobinson__ | #info the decision regarding auto generated files in .rst conversions - specifically the nove-livemigrations and nova-zookeeper in the cloud admin guide - is to link to the content rather than include them. | 00:47 |
bmoss | perfect. Let's publish then! | 00:47 |
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JRobinson__ | that was the next step :) I believe there are instructions on the Migrations page of the wiki. I'll check on those. | 00:48 |
loquacities | cool beans | 00:48 |
JRobinson__ | s/was/is | 00:48 |
loquacities | let's move on then | 00:48 |
loquacities | #info Ops/Arch Guides - Arch Guide swarm was a success. Plans for reorganisation in Mitaka. | 00:48 |
loquacities | we'll come back to the swarm, but i know darrenc has spoken to shilla about the mitaka plans, and we can address that in more detail at sumit | 00:48 |
loquacities | summit* | 00:49 |
darrenc | sounds good | 00:49 |
loquacities | darrenc: did you want to add to that? | 00:49 |
darrenc | I was planning to draft specs for rst conversion and the reorg | 00:49 |
loquacities | good plan | 00:49 |
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loquacities | i'll need to do a cleanup of all the liberty blueprints and specs in the coming weeks, too | 00:50 |
loquacities | ok, moving on | 00:50 |
loquacities | #info API docs - New API tool afoot. Python devs required! Contact Anne. | 00:50 |
loquacities | if you are a python dev (or you know someone who might be interested), please contact anne | 00:50 |
loquacities | #info Config Ref - Contact Guavain #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/ConfigRef | 00:50 |
loquacities | #info Training Labs - Contact Pranav Salunke | 00:51 |
loquacities | you'll notice we now have training labs as a speciality team | 00:51 |
bmoss | \o/ | 00:51 |
loquacities | we've split labs out away from the other training guides, trying to maintain the momentum there | 00:51 |
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loquacities | ok, that's all from me on speciality teams ... any other comments before we move on? | 00:52 |
asettle | LGTM | 00:52 |
sicarie | Yes | 00:52 |
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sicarie | The security guide book is still on 1.0 | 00:52 |
loquacities | sicarie: sorry, i missed you earlier on the security guide! | 00:52 |
loquacities | go right ahead :) | 00:52 |
sicarie | No worries | 00:52 |
sicarie | The process to push a new physical book is through the pdf, correct? | 00:53 |
loquacities | yeah, PDF then lulu | 00:53 |
sicarie | We just send it over when were happy with the content? | 00:53 |
loquacities | we do also need to work out how to do with RST | 00:53 |
loquacities | yep | 00:53 |
sicarie | Great, we will be doing that before Tokyo | 00:53 |
loquacities | awesome | 00:53 |
sicarie | As the 1.0 is.... dated | 00:53 |
loquacities | i looks forward to seeing this process in action! :) | 00:53 |
loquacities | look* | 00:54 |
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loquacities | lulu is still very much a black box to me, so i'll learn as we go | 00:54 |
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loquacities | ok, let's move on then ... | 00:55 |
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loquacities | #topic Countdown to Liberty | 00:55 |
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loquacities | #info 56 Days! #link http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/launch?iso=20151015T00&p0=1440&msg=OpenStack+Liberty+Launch+Date&font=hand | 00:55 |
loquacities | regarding visas for tokyo: if you need one, you need to be organising that *now* | 00:56 |
Sam-I-Am | aight, i'm out | 00:56 |
loquacities | cya Sam-I-Am | 00:56 |
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loquacities | is there anyone with questions about visa requirements? | 00:56 |
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loquacities | right, ok | 00:56 |
loquacities | the other topic i wanted to mention here was ATC passes | 00:57 |
loquacities | if anyone thinks they should have an ATC pass and they haven't got one, please let me know on email | 00:57 |
katomo | ok | 00:57 |
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loquacities | any other questions on summit stuff? | 00:57 |
asettle | Uhh not at this moment. | 00:58 |
loquacities | great, let's move on | 00:58 |
loquacities | #topic APAC Meetups | 00:58 |
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loquacities | final entry here, just to say a huge thanks to suyog, bmoss, asettle and everyone else who helped out on the swarm | 00:58 |
loquacities | and a massive thanks to everyone who came along, created patches, and helped merge them | 00:59 |
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loquacities | i had a blast, i hope you all did too :) | 00:59 |
bmoss | it was great, and we accomplished tonnes. | 00:59 |
loquacities | :D | 00:59 |
bmoss | I'd love to see a swarm here every 6 months | 00:59 |
loquacities | ooh, stepping it up ;) | 00:59 |
loquacities | we could do it as a mini mid-cycle ;) | 01:00 |
bmoss | that would be cool | 01:00 |
loquacities | too true | 01:00 |
JRobinson__ | yes, sounds great :) | 01:00 |
loquacities | ok, finally we have some spotlight bugs: | 01:00 |
loquacities | #topic Spotlight bugs: | 01:00 |
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loquacities | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1257018 VPNaaS isn't documented in cloud admin | 01:00 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1257018 in openstack-manuals "VPNaaS isn't documented in cloud admin" [Medium,Confirmed] | 01:00 |
loquacities | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1257656 VMware: add support for VM diagnostics | 01:00 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1257656 in openstack-manuals " VMware: add support for VM diagnostics" [Medium,Confirmed] | 01:00 |
loquacities | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1261969 Document nova server package | 01:00 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1261969 in openstack-manuals "Document nova server package (WAS: Enable remote debugging for nova)" [Low,Confirmed] | 01:00 |
loquacities | i'll issue some new spotlight bugs in the newsletter this week | 01:01 |
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asettle | Thanks :) | 01:01 |
loquacities | #topic Open discussion | 01:01 |
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loquacities | ok, anything i missed? | 01:01 |
katomo | may be none | 01:02 |
loquacities | apparently not | 01:02 |
loquacities | right, i'll let you all have 28 minutes back | 01:02 |
loquacities | thanks for coming everyone :) | 01:02 |
loquacities | #endmeeting | 01:02 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 19 01:02:57 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:02 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-08-19-00.32.html | 01:03 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-08-19-00.32.txt | 01:03 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-08-19-00.32.log.html | 01:03 |
amandap | Thanks loquacities :) | 01:03 |
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katomo | thanks all :) | 01:03 |
darrenc | thanks! | 01:03 |
loquacities | o/ | 01:03 |
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JRobinson__ | o/ | 01:05 |
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Jeffrey4l_ | help | 06:57 |
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stevebaker | #startmeeting heat | 07:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 19 07:00:34 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is stevebaker. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 07:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 07:00 |
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 07:00 | |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 07:00 |
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stevebaker | hi all | 07:00 |
KanagarajM__ | hi | 07:00 |
asalkeld | o/ | 07:00 |
ramishra | hi | 07:00 |
stevebaker | #topic rollcall | 07:00 |
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Drago | hello! | 07:00 |
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stevebaker | #chair asalkeld | 07:01 |
openstack | Current chairs: asalkeld stevebaker | 07:01 |
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asalkeld | waaat | 07:01 |
stevebaker | asalkeld: just in case my pub net connection dies :) | 07:01 |
asalkeld | ;) | 07:01 |
asalkeld | ok | 07:01 |
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stevebaker | #topic adding items to the agenda | 07:01 |
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skraynev | hey | 07:01 |
stevebaker | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282015-08-20_0700_UTC.29 | 07:02 |
stevebaker | anyone for any thing? | 07:02 |
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pas-ha | o/ | 07:02 |
stevebaker | pas-ha: hi | 07:02 |
dgonzalez | hi | 07:03 |
asalkeld | you got my topic in there already | 07:03 |
prazumovsky | hi | 07:03 |
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shardy | o/ | 07:03 |
stevebaker | shardy: hey! | 07:03 |
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asalkeld | stevebaker: we could add a topic for 202 return codes | 07:03 |
stevebaker | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282015-08-20_0700_UTC.29 | 07:03 |
shardy | stevebaker: Hi! Sorry, slightly late! | 07:03 |
stevebaker | done | 07:04 |
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Qiming | o/ | 07:04 |
stevebaker | #topic heat reviews https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-reviews | 07:04 |
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stevebaker | Qiming: hey | 07:04 |
stevebaker | I've already purged merged things, so feel free to add anything *you* think is important | 07:05 |
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asalkeld | "convergence scenario tests" needs rebasing | 07:05 |
_tiantian | hi | 07:05 |
asalkeld | that would be good to get in | 07:05 |
stevebaker | _tiantian: hi | 07:06 |
skraynev | tiantian: hi | 07:06 |
stevebaker | I saw a bunch of zaneb rg changes, but I have no idea how they relate to ramishra's | 07:06 |
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* asalkeld not sure either | 07:07 | |
skraynev | stevebaker:As I understand it's alternative approach | 07:07 |
stevebaker | oh, great ;) | 07:07 |
skraynev | looks like Zane wait feedback from Rabi | 07:07 |
ramishra | yeah. zaneb thinks it's a terrible idea to follow RG approach for ASG | 07:07 |
skraynev | and after that they will choose one | 07:08 |
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ramishra | and thinks RG resource itself is not good | 07:09 |
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pas-ha | ramishra, make a "non-scaling" ASG? | 07:09 |
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ramishra | I need some more opinions. I'm willing to stash my work, if more of us think it's a bad idea | 07:09 |
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stevebaker | alright, I've put both series on the etherpad | 07:10 |
pas-ha | no need of immediate stashing, we have to compare both, have silly or not arguments and then decide :) | 07:10 |
stevebaker | ramishra: it could be a proper meeting topic if you were both awake at the same time | 07:11 |
skraynev | pas-ha: do you mean review both without testing :) or review and tests both ? | 07:12 |
stevebaker | #topic dogfooding convergence https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-convergence-tasks | 07:12 |
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stevebaker | asalkeld: do you want to take this topic? | 07:12 |
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asalkeld | ok | 07:12 |
ramishra | sure | 07:12 |
asalkeld | so i want to make sure we are thinking of testing convergence | 07:12 |
asalkeld | we can do semi formal testing, but it would be great if all devs are now switching over to convergence | 07:13 |
asalkeld | so we can find bugs sooner rather than later | 07:13 |
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shardy | Do all the existing functional tests work OK? | 07:14 |
stevebaker | yes, I think we're almost ready to encourage devs to run convergence locally for their regular work | 07:14 |
asalkeld | just set "convergence_eningine=True" in heat.conf | 07:14 |
stevebaker | and file bugs as they find them | 07:14 |
asalkeld | shardy: yes | 07:14 |
shardy | asalkeld: nice! :) | 07:14 |
asalkeld | there is one bug | 07:14 |
asalkeld | that sometimes we get a timeout | 07:14 |
asalkeld | https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1486281 | 07:15 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1486281 in heat "convergence functional tests sometimes timeout" [Undecided,New] | 07:15 |
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stevebaker | like this https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1483946 | 07:15 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1483946 in heat "Convergence: self.properties not populated in for handle_delete" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Rico Lin (rico-lin) | 07:15 |
therve | It's be interesting to ask tripleo to use it | 07:15 |
therve | It will certainly uncover some bugs | 07:15 |
asalkeld | therve: see https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-convergence-tasks | 07:15 |
asalkeld | just trying to think what we need to do re: testing | 07:15 |
shardy | therve: yeah, I can try turning it on in devtest | 07:15 |
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stevebaker | therve: we could always have a change which switches over by default and look at how the tripleo gate handles it | 07:16 |
asalkeld | everyone feel free to add to that etherpad | 07:16 |
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shardy | Although atm TripleO has heat pinned as current master has broken, so we need to work that out first | 07:16 |
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asalkeld | we should also define a set of rally tests we want to run | 07:16 |
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skraynev | asalkeld: IMo it's mostly depends on template | 07:17 |
asalkeld | (not in the gate, but when deciding when to switch to default convergence) | 07:17 |
skraynev | currently rally covers common commands like create, delete, etc.. | 07:17 |
stevebaker | skraynev: behaviour under load would be interesting to know too | 07:17 |
therve | shardy, Wasn't the issue with ec2 auth? | 07:17 |
stevebaker | for different definitions of "load" | 07:17 |
asalkeld | skraynev: yea - but also the scale (numbers of resources and number of heat-engines) | 07:17 |
shardy | therve: no, unfortunately I think there's some other issue as well | 07:18 |
therve | Arg | 07:18 |
shardy | derekh is investigating | 07:18 |
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asalkeld | stevebaker: that's all from me, at this point getting devs to use it would be a good thing | 07:18 |
asalkeld | we can work on serious testing in parallel | 07:19 |
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stevebaker | asalkeld: yep, +1. I will whenever the lack of bugs let me | 07:19 |
asalkeld | :-O | 07:19 |
skraynev | therve: btw, looks like your patch for replacing v2 on v3 fixed rally issue, which I mentioned yesterday :) | 07:19 |
stevebaker | asalkeld: meant in a nice way :) | 07:19 |
therve | skraynev, OK cool | 07:19 |
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stevebaker | #topic discuss https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1475685 | 07:20 |
*** openstack changes topic to "discuss https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1475685 (Meeting topic: heat)" | 07:20 | |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1475685 in heat "test_asg_notifications failed on gates" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Rabi Mishra (rabi) | 07:20 |
stevebaker | discuss! | 07:20 |
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therve | Yeah this one is a bummer | 07:20 |
stevebaker | that hit me today, I thought it was my patch | 07:20 |
ramishra | I'm not able to reproduce it locally at all | 07:20 |
asalkeld | lovely | 07:20 |
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stevebaker | does this test go through ceilometer? | 07:21 |
asalkeld | maybe add "log" notifications too | 07:21 |
asalkeld | to see if we also get those | 07:21 |
asalkeld | at least we can check the logs for that | 07:21 |
asalkeld | notification_driver=messaging,log | 07:21 |
ramishra | yeah. we can do that | 07:22 |
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asalkeld | stevebaker: that is a possible issue | 07:22 |
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asalkeld | what if ceilometer pops the notification first | 07:22 |
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asalkeld | will that prevent our test reciever getting it? | 07:22 |
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asalkeld | does ceilometer re-transmit the notifcation? | 07:23 |
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asalkeld | (if it does get it) | 07:23 |
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therve | I don't think it does? | 07:23 |
therve | You can register several consumer for notifications though I believe | 07:23 |
asalkeld | in which case that is the likely issue | 07:23 |
stevebaker | it would be nice if ceilometer didn't get involved at all, since its a functional test | 07:24 |
ramishra | there is nothing to do with ceilometer, as I understand | 07:24 |
asalkeld | we could turn this into an alarm | 07:24 |
skraynev | I thought, that our test use another queue for testing notification and ceilometer should not affect it | 07:24 |
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therve | It's worth investigating if something doesn't consume it anyway | 07:25 |
stevebaker | how often is it happening? | 07:25 |
asalkeld | yip, maybe add to that bug | 07:25 |
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therve | stevebaker, logstash seems down, but I'd say 5-10% at least | 07:26 |
stevebaker | ug | 07:26 |
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asalkeld | https://github.com/openstack/heat/blob/master/heat_integrationtests/functional/test_notifications.py#L129 | 07:26 |
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pas-ha | stevebaker, not too often, and quite without pattern, rechecks usually help | 07:26 |
asalkeld | that looks like "notifcations" | 07:26 |
* stevebaker rechecks | 07:27 | |
stevebaker | #topic 202 return codes | 07:27 |
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asalkeld | ok so there is a bug that we return the wrong stuff | 07:28 |
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asalkeld | (200 instead of 220) | 07:28 |
asalkeld | (200 instead of 202) | 07:28 |
shardy | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Heat/Blueprints/V2API | 07:28 |
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shardy | It's on the wishlist for v2, I don't see how we can fix it without a version bump | 07:28 |
shardy | is it a new bug? | 07:28 |
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shardy | pretty sure there's an old one too | 07:28 |
asalkeld | so i have patch for this, some of it *should* be ok, but the stack stuff should not change | 07:29 |
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asalkeld | bug 1477109 | 07:29 |
openstack | bug 1477109 in heat "Normal response codes of "Suspend stack" should be 200" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1477109 - Assigned to Angus Salkeld (asalkeld) | 07:29 |
stevebaker | maybe we should leave the current behaviour just in case someone is checking the exact 20x code | 07:30 |
stevebaker | and add it to the list of things to do for v2 | 07:30 |
asalkeld | stevebaker: feel free to -2 those patches | 07:30 |
shardy | I think we have to, unfortunately, as there are non heatclient users of the API | 07:30 |
asalkeld | i can add something to that bug | 07:30 |
stevebaker | I believe return code changing patches have landed in the past in nova | 07:30 |
asalkeld | we *could* change the actions | 07:31 |
asalkeld | (maybe less checked) | 07:31 |
asalkeld | but i am not stressed if that series is -2'd) | 07:31 |
stevebaker | asalkeld: I could maybe summon enthusiasm for a -1 | 07:31 |
asalkeld | anyways, just highlighting the issue | 07:32 |
stevebaker | lets discuss on the review | 07:32 |
asalkeld | sure | 07:32 |
stevebaker | #topic open discussion | 07:32 |
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prazumovsky | I have one suggestion | 07:32 |
prazumovsky | Recently I used dics with resource page | 07:32 |
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prazumovsky | And it was a bit confusing to search from long list of priperties required props | 07:33 |
asalkeld | lol | 07:33 |
shardy | Got to run folks, ttyl | 07:33 |
asalkeld | later shardy | 07:33 |
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stevebaker | prazumovsky: could you elaborate a bit? | 07:33 |
pas-ha | we should have better inner-links for resources docs, down to the property level | 07:34 |
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prazumovsky | So have an idea to separate all properties to two subparagraphs: required and optional. Your responce? | 07:34 |
pas-ha | prazumovsky, nice one | 07:35 |
asalkeld | prazumovsky: seems ok | 07:35 |
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asalkeld | but is that the most important attribute? | 07:35 |
asalkeld | what about replace/inplace | 07:36 |
stevebaker | prazumovsky: I see, yes grouping properties would be good. I don't know if the deprecated ones are grouped last yet too | 07:36 |
pas-ha | I would also suggest to make it happen on a resource-type-show | 07:36 |
asalkeld | and colour code them too;) | 07:36 |
pas-ha | yay! | 07:36 |
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stevebaker | steady on | 07:37 |
prazumovsky | Maybe deprecated should be as supported props and should not have separate subparagraph | 07:38 |
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stevebaker | pas-ha: I am *constantly* linking people to a resource when I want to link them to a property | 07:38 |
pas-ha | exactly that | 07:38 |
asalkeld | yeah | 07:38 |
pas-ha | a least ad those permalinks to properties | 07:39 |
stevebaker | I assume it will explode the contents list, but whatever | 07:39 |
stevebaker | pas-ha: could you raise a bug so we remember? | 07:39 |
pas-ha | I think we might be able to control the depth of the TOC | 07:39 |
pas-ha | ok, action taken | 07:39 |
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stevebaker | shall we finish? | 07:40 |
asalkeld | yes! | 07:40 |
prazumovsky | yes | 07:40 |
pas-ha | +1 | 07:40 |
stevebaker | #endmeeting | 07:41 |
* asalkeld making kids supper | 07:41 | |
*** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 07:41 | |
openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 19 07:41:00 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 07:41 |
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stevebaker | doneburgers | 07:41 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-08-19-07.00.html | 07:41 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-08-19-07.00.txt | 07:41 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-08-19-07.00.log.html | 07:41 |
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stevebaker | later all | 07:41 |
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Zara | come one, come all, for the absolutely incredible storyboard meeting! | 15:02 |
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Zara | there may be fire juggling! | 15:03 |
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SotK | o/ | 15:04 |
Zara | see I think that was fire juggling | 15:04 |
Zara | any other worthy companions on this fine August afternoon? | 15:04 |
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Zara | any *un*worthy companions for the storyboard meeting? we're not choosey. | 15:06 |
SotK | haha | 15:07 |
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Zara | I have a pair of sunglasses on my desk; I may have to count them as a third contributor. | 15:08 |
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SotK | Would you like to chair this week, or shall I? | 15:09 |
Zara | I'd rather you did it but I can if you want (that's my default response, please say if you feel like you're doing it too much) | 15:10 |
SotK | OK then, | 15:10 |
SotK | #startmeeting storyboard | 15:10 |
openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 19 15:10:34 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SotK. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:10 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:10 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 15:10 |
SotK | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StoryBoard Agenda | 15:10 |
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SotK | Once again there aren't any announcements | 15:11 |
SotK | #topic Urgent Items | 15:11 |
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SotK | Are there any urgent items that aren't on the agenda? | 15:11 |
Zara | I don't think so. | 15:12 |
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SotK | I don't know of any either, since pdar is planning to do some reviews for us I think! | 15:13 |
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Zara | I think we urgently need a party to celebrate pdar getting everything working. | 15:13 |
Zara | but not everyone will count that as 'urgent' | 15:13 |
SotK | :D | 15:13 |
SotK | #topic In-Progress Work | 15:13 |
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SotK | #info SotK is looking at worklists and boards | 15:13 |
SotK | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/202989/ Spec | 15:13 |
SotK | The spec got some review comments, I've replied to them and will update the spec later. | 15:13 |
SotK | I've sent a couple of patches related to this work now, since I was assuming there wouldn't be huge changes required to the spec. | 15:13 |
SotK | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack-infra/storyboard+branch:master+topic:worklists,n,z Worklists patches | 15:13 |
Zara | :D | 15:14 |
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Zara | I'm continuing with subscriptions work for now | 15:14 |
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Zara | actually making progress this week, albeit at snail's pace | 15:14 |
SotK | #info Zara is continuing with the subscriptions work | 15:14 |
SotK | woo :D | 15:14 |
Zara | am a bit embarrassed at how long it's taking but I guess it means I'm learning a lot :) | 15:14 |
SotK | learning is always good | 15:15 |
Zara | and pdar mentioned some patches to the docs re: setup with vagrant, so maybe that should also be on the list here | 15:16 |
SotK | good point | 15:16 |
SotK | #info pdar is working on patches to the docs re: setup with vagrant | 15:16 |
Zara | :) think that's all | 15:17 |
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SotK | I think the goal of that is for `vagrant up` to give you a working StoryBoard instance right? | 15:17 |
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Zara | that sounds right to me, though you'd have to check with him for the details | 15:18 |
Zara | haven't used it so I skimmed the specifics a bit. | 15:18 |
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* SotK hopes that is the goal, so the next person doesn't get in a long battle with it like pdar has had to :) | 15:19 | |
SotK | I guess we can move on now | 15:20 |
SotK | #topic Open Discussion | 15:20 |
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SotK | Anyone have anything they want to discuss about StoryBoard? | 15:20 |
Zara | \o/ I'm glad we have a new contributor \o/ | 15:21 |
Zara | I hope it's a trend | 15:21 |
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* SotK has fingers crossed for that too | 15:21 | |
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SotK | If there is nothing else to discuss, I'll end the meeting shortly... | 15:22 |
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Zara | I can't think of anything off the top of my head. would probably just come up in the channel anyway | 15:22 |
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SotK | 5 | 15:22 |
SotK | 4 | 15:22 |
SotK | 3 | 15:22 |
SotK | 2 | 15:22 |
SotK | 1 | 15:22 |
SotK | #endmeeting | 15:22 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 19 15:22:50 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:22 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2015/storyboard.2015-08-19-15.10.html | 15:22 |
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openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2015/storyboard.2015-08-19-15.10.txt | 15:22 |
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openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2015/storyboard.2015-08-19-15.10.log.html | 15:22 |
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Zara | what a wonderful meeting! | 15:23 |
Zara | thank you, SotK :D | 15:24 |
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DuncanT | Cinder meeting today? | 16:00 |
jungleboyj | Short Agenda it looks like. | 16:00 |
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cebruns_ | Hello | 16:01 |
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smcginnis | I'm not starting it. :) | 16:01 |
geguileo | That's a really short agenda | 16:01 |
diablo_rojo | Go sean go! | 16:01 |
hemna | mornin | 16:02 |
jgriffith | #startmeeting cinder | 16:02 |
smcginnis | El diablo! | 16:02 |
openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 19 16:02:09 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jgriffith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:02 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:02 |
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openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:02 |
Swanson | hi | 16:02 |
xyang2 | hi | 16:02 |
geguileo | Hi | 16:02 |
ericksonsantos | hi | 16:02 |
smcginnis | o/ | 16:02 |
jungleboyj | Hello all. | 16:02 |
dannywilson | hi | 16:02 |
jseiler__ | HI | 16:02 |
eharney | hi | 16:02 |
scottda | hey | 16:02 |
thangp | o/ | 16:02 |
jgregor1 | Hello | 16:02 |
patrickeast | hi | 16:02 |
jgriffith | xyang2: around? | 16:02 |
schwicke | hi | 16:02 |
xyang2 | yes | 16:02 |
diablo_rojo | hello | 16:02 |
jungleboyj | smcginnis: Saved by the bell. | 16:02 |
jgriffith | #topic Non-disruptive backups | 16:02 |
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schwicke | (I'm new here) | 16:02 |
xyang2 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/204232/ | 16:02 |
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xyang2 | this is the CLI patch for non-disruptive backup | 16:03 |
jgriffith | welcome schwicke | 16:03 |
xyang2 | There's a review comment regarding the force flag | 16:03 |
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jungleboyj | Welcome schwicke ! | 16:03 |
xyang2 | used for backup in-use volume | 16:03 |
geguileo | schwicke: Welcome | 16:03 |
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xyang2 | So this flag was added when the first server side patch was reviewed. | 16:04 |
jgriffith | xyang2: I'd agree WRT to the flag name | 16:04 |
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jgriffith | xyang2: can we change it? | 16:04 |
xyang2 | Also I see that snapshot a in-use volume uses the same force flag | 16:04 |
DuncanT | --force is already used in snapshot, with identical semantics | 16:04 |
xyang2 | should we be consistent | 16:04 |
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eharney | --force for snapshots is a terrible wart IMO | 16:04 |
DuncanT | +1 on consistency | 16:04 |
xyang2 | DuncanT +1 | 16:04 |
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jgriffith | xyang2: DuncanT eharney can we just move forward with force then, deprecate it and fix *all* of them in M? | 16:05 |
tbarron | hi | 16:05 |
DuncanT | jgriffith: +1 | 16:05 |
xyang2 | jgriffith: fine with that | 16:05 |
eharney | i don't have a problem with force in the API (at least not a big problem) | 16:05 |
smcginnis | jgriffith: +1 | 16:05 |
hemna | so, doesn't this require the volume to be multi-attached to be able to backup (mount) an in-use volume ? | 16:05 |
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eharney | i'm just pointing out that i don't think that this is the interface we really want at the client | 16:05 |
jgriffith | eharney: LOL | 16:05 |
DuncanT | hemna: No, it uses a snapshot | 16:05 |
geguileo | eharney: +1 | 16:05 |
xyang2 | hemna: no requirement on multiattach | 16:05 |
tbarron | eharney: +1, we really over-use that word | 16:05 |
geguileo | xyang2: What happens if the client always sends force=True? | 16:06 |
DuncanT | eharney: I'm fine with a patch now that fixed both snap and backup, leaving --force as a depricated option in the client... I'm not ok with inconsistency | 16:06 |
geguileo | xyang2: Will it work for available volumes? | 16:06 |
xyang2 | geguileo: no problem, it will back it up | 16:06 |
jgriffith | eharney: geguileo I see your point except that it is true we use this terminology *everywhere* for similar things | 16:06 |
hemna | xyang2, so it snaps, then mounts a volume from the snap to do the backup? then nukes the volume from the snap and the snap? | 16:06 |
xyang2 | geguileo: yes | 16:06 |
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geguileo | xyang2: eharney Then client just has to always send force=True | 16:06 |
DuncanT | hemna: Yes | 16:06 |
eharney | DuncanT: i'm not convinced an option is actually needed for backup | 16:06 |
hemna | DuncanT, ok, then yah, why do we even need a --force then? | 16:06 |
DuncanT | hemna: There's patches in progress that fast-path it where possible | 16:06 |
xyang2 | geguileo: if it is in-use only | 16:07 |
geguileo | eharney: And that should resolve the issue, right? | 16:07 |
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jgriffith | eharney: ahh... you're proposing just make it the default | 16:07 |
eharney | geguileo: that, or retry w/ force based on an error | 16:07 |
eharney | jgriffith: not necessarily, but maybe | 16:07 |
guitarzan | hemna: because snapshotting in use data is "at your own risk" | 16:07 |
geguileo | jgriffith: I hve no problem with force on the API, it's the client part | 16:07 |
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DuncanT | eharney: Consistency with snap is my argument | 16:07 |
geguileo | jgriffith: That the user needs to try to backup and the add --force | 16:07 |
geguileo | jgriffith: It should be automatic | 16:07 |
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eharney | DuncanT: i don't like that argument because requiring force for snapshots in the common case has stuck out to me as something that's really annoying for years now | 16:07 |
DuncanT | geguileo: Offline backup and online backup are different | 16:07 |
xyang2 | geguileo: how can you use it in api without adding to client? | 16:07 |
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eharney | DuncanT: but i understand what you're saying | 16:08 |
jgriffith | geguileo: well, the client is what I'm discussing here | 16:08 |
geguileo | xyang2: I'm explaining it wrong | 16:08 |
DuncanT | geguileo: Change the default, and scripts that currently assume they will fail on an online volume will now behave differently | 16:08 |
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geguileo | xyang2: If force=True works with an available volume as well as with an in-use volume | 16:08 |
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geguileo | xyang2: Client just needs to send it always to True by default | 16:08 |
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DuncanT | eharney: I don't at all object to a clean up, but it should be done consistently | 16:09 |
geguileo | xyang2: That way client user don't need to worry about volume status | 16:09 |
jgriffith | geguileo: I think that's what I just said and you mentioned something about "I don't care about the Api" | 16:09 |
DuncanT | geguileo: See above - the may break existing code | 16:09 |
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eharney | DuncanT: i'm hoping to avoid making it more messy in the first place | 16:09 |
xyang2 | geguileo: I don't understand that. snapshot needs the same thing in client | 16:09 |
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jgriffith | DuncanT: I'm not sure I buy the "break" existing code | 16:10 |
DuncanT | eharney: Fix up snap in the same patch for all I care, just don't release a library where the un-depricated option is --force for one and something else for another | 16:10 |
eharney | the usability for snapshot in the client is not a good example | 16:10 |
jgriffith | DuncanT: if we make it work in more cases than it used to that seems like a win to me | 16:10 |
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DuncanT | jgriffith: Loop over all volumes calling backup for all of them, expecting only the detached ones to backup. People absolutely write code like that | 16:10 |
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jgriffith | DuncanT: I don't know that I envision people saying "Hey... you allow online backups now, before you didn't... I'm pissed" | 16:11 |
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jgriffith | DuncanT: seems like poor code.. but ok | 16:11 |
DuncanT | jgriffith: Far from the worst ccode out there, I promise | 16:11 |
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jgriffith | DuncanT: I'm just saying that's what happens when you release new functionatlity | 16:11 |
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jgriffith | DuncanT: so document it and say, "change your scripts to check status rather than relying on an exception" | 16:12 |
jgriffith | if they can't figure that out on their own | 16:12 |
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geguileo | DuncanT: It's a good point, it has to be backward compatible :-( | 16:12 |
jgriffith | But anyway... is this really that big of a wart? | 16:12 |
DuncanT | jgriffith: It's a support headache, and a library API break - with semantic verisoning you'd need a new major number | 16:13 |
jgriffith | geguileo: it IS backward compatible!!! | 16:13 |
jgriffith | this isn't a matter of compatibility of API change | 16:13 |
jgriffith | But regardless | 16:13 |
geguileo | jgriffith: If we do it with --force yes | 16:13 |
DuncanT | jgriffith: No, it is NOT backwards compatiable | 16:13 |
jgriffith | OMG | 16:13 |
geguileo | jgriffith: If we do how I wanted to do it NO XD | 16:13 |
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jgriffith | Ok... back to the question; can we just live with the force flag then? | 16:13 |
guitarzan | you can't just autoforce snapshots/live backups | 16:13 |
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DuncanT | jgriffith: Backwards compatability includes negative cases too | 16:13 |
guitarzan | teh client has to specify it | 16:13 |
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guitarzan | otherwise we'll just mess up everyone's data | 16:13 |
geguileo | jgriffith: Yes, I think we can/must/have to | 16:13 |
eharney | one relevant point about what we do with this for now is how people will feel about someone working on this as an enhancement later | 16:14 |
thingee | o/ | 16:14 |
jgriffith | guitarzan: no DuncanT and geguileo propose that is breaking backward compat | 16:14 |
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erlon | hi | 16:14 |
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guitarzan | jgriffith: right, I'm not asking, I'm saying --force *has* to stay | 16:14 |
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jgriffith | guitarzan: ahh | 16:14 |
guitarzan | otherwise you're just going to blow up everyone's snapshots/backups | 16:14 |
eharney | guitarzan: why is that? | 16:14 |
guitarzan | "Why are all my snapshots/backups corrupted?" | 16:14 |
guitarzan | because they're live | 16:15 |
guitarzan | they're in use | 16:15 |
geguileo | guitarzan: They wouldn't be corrupted | 16:15 |
guitarzan | they're being written to | 16:15 |
eharney | guitarzan: they will fail if the driver doesn't support doing this, not corrupt things | 16:15 |
DuncanT | guitarzan: +1 | 16:15 |
guitarzan | eharney: it has nothing to do with the driver | 16:15 |
jgriffith | guitarzan: I think that's a question for the feature itself then | 16:15 |
guitarzan | it's a raw block device | 16:15 |
eharney | guitarzan: i'm not following then... | 16:15 |
jgriffith | guitarzan: DuncanT and if that's the case I think force is absolutely fine | 16:15 |
DuncanT | eharney: Crash consistent snaps are totally different to clean snaps | 16:15 |
jgriffith | and the correct term | 16:15 |
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eharney | haaang on... what's the path that leads to corruption? | 16:16 |
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hemna | eharney, snapping an attached volume | 16:16 |
DuncanT | eharney: Expecting an unmounted FS or an error, and getting crash consistent | 16:16 |
guitarzan | eharney: partial write + snapshot + continued partial write | 16:16 |
eharney | that's a discussion for whether we should be doing this feature at all, not the client interface, it sounds like to me? | 16:17 |
guitarzan | no, it's totally a useful feature | 16:17 |
guitarzan | it just has to be coordinated by the guest | 16:17 |
DuncanT | eharney: some filesystems and some apps are fine with it, others aren't | 16:17 |
guitarzan | "Hey, I know what I'm doing, take a snapshot now" | 16:17 |
jgriffith | eharney: agreed... which make the term "force" seem more appropriate to me | 16:17 |
eharney | so you want --force because you say it needs to be delimited as something that's dangerous | 16:17 |
guitarzan | it is absolutely dangerous | 16:17 |
DuncanT | eharney: +1 | 16:17 |
hemna | eharney, I think that's the idea yah | 16:17 |
eharney | i don't know what my opinion is on that, but i understand the point | 16:17 |
jungleboyj | guitarzan: That seems appropriate to me. | 16:18 |
eharney | i don't remember the help text in the client saying anything about that... | 16:18 |
DuncanT | eharney: File a bug, that's easy to fix/improve | 16:18 |
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jgriffith | Ok... so force it is? | 16:18 |
geguileo | jgriffith: I think so | 16:18 |
jgriffith | can we all agree on that and move on? | 16:18 |
hemna | yah | 16:19 |
xyang2 | DuncanT: client side is not merged. So I can improve the help message | 16:19 |
guitarzan | yes please | 16:19 |
eharney | i guess --force and we need to extend what the help text says | 16:19 |
eharney | i don't know why i'd file a bug for this | 16:19 |
hemna | if we don't pass in force then this happens: https://github.com/openstack/cinder/blob/master/cinder/volume/api.py#L685-L690 | 16:19 |
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DuncanT | eharney: I meant the snap help text that has been there forever | 16:19 |
jgriffith | xyang2: anything else? | 16:19 |
eharney | hemna: force at the API level is a lot different from making the user type --force | 16:19 |
eharney | DuncanT: ah gotcha | 16:19 |
jungleboyj | jgriffith: Makes sense to me. GO with the safest route. | 16:19 |
xyang2 | jgriffith: all set. I'll update the patch with a better help msg | 16:19 |
jgriffith | xyang2: great, thanks xyang2 | 16:20 |
jgriffith | and eharney DuncanT geguileo guitarzan for the insights | 16:20 |
xyang2 | thanks | 16:20 |
jgriffith | #topic open-discussion | 16:20 |
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hemna | eharney, meh, the reasons we have force there at all are because we wanted the user to type it, for good reasons, so I don't see that as much of a distinction really. | 16:20 |
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thingee | just a reminder | 16:20 |
thingee | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-liberty-3-reviews | 16:20 |
thingee | those are the priority reviews. please grab some stuff to test and review | 16:21 |
schwicke | that's why I'm here :) | 16:21 |
thingee | I will be contacting folks on getting documentation updated for some of these. | 16:21 |
eharney | hemna: the problem was, we didn't write down the good reasons anywhere | 16:21 |
thingee | Cinder got a shout out at the Cinder midcycle sprint as an example for other projects in how release notes should be | 16:21 |
hemna | thingee, nice | 16:22 |
thingee | people really appreciated documentation links to go with items on the list | 16:22 |
smcginnis | Which midcycle? | 16:22 |
jgriffith | smcginnis: :) | 16:22 |
thingee | smcginnis: ops midcycle sprint | 16:22 |
jgriffith | you caught that too | 16:22 |
smcginnis | :) | 16:22 |
smcginnis | Cool! | 16:22 |
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* thingee noted earlier he's at ops midcycle | 16:22 | |
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jgriffith | thingee: said "Cinder got a shout out at the Cinder midcycle sprint" | 16:23 |
thingee | 09:14 — thingee is present at openstack operators sprint | 16:23 |
thingee | jgriffith: ^ | 16:23 |
jgriffith | thingee: LOL | 16:23 |
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thingee | anyways | 16:23 |
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jgriffith | thingee: I don't think you get it | 16:23 |
jgriffith | never mind | 16:23 |
thingee | also jgriffith will be my eyes and ears the next couple of weeks | 16:23 |
jgriffith | smcginnis: got it | 16:23 |
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thingee | I will be MIA for two weeks in some desert | 16:23 |
smcginnis | The puppet master. :P | 16:24 |
hemna | thingee, we want picts of the bus. | 16:24 |
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thingee | I fully expect on August 24th for jgriffith and core to be giving -2's on patches that meet the criteria http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-August/071505.html | 16:24 |
thingee | and for us to be in a very limited bug fix mode when I come back in september | 16:24 |
jungleboyj | hemna: ++ | 16:24 |
thingee | I will be back September 7th | 16:25 |
* jgriffith wonders what we'll all do for 2 months :) | 16:25 | |
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smcginnis | Lots of testing. | 16:25 |
smcginnis | :) | 16:25 |
jgriffith | thingee: what does "limited" mean Captain? | 16:25 |
hemna | smcginnis, testing? what is that.... | 16:25 |
thingee | bug fixes, testing | 16:25 |
smcginnis | pep8 passes... ship it. | 16:26 |
thingee | smcginnis: +1 | 16:26 |
jgriffith | smcginnis: LOL | 16:26 |
DuncanT | jgriffith: It's a bug that my array isn't supported, here's a patch to fix it | 16:26 |
hemna | smcginnis, winning! | 16:26 |
jgriffith | DuncanT: ahh... you mean the usual | 16:26 |
smcginnis | DuncanT: Hah! | 16:26 |
dannywilson | lol | 16:26 |
jungleboyj | smcginnis: It worked in devstack! | 16:26 |
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DuncanT | jgriffith: Also, can I backport it to diablo tree? | 16:26 |
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thingee | that's all for me. | 16:26 |
jungleboyj | DuncanT: Sure! | 16:27 |
bswartz | thingee: when you say things need to be in passing before the 24th that means the actual freeze is 23:59 UTC on August 23rd, right? | 16:27 |
jgriffith | Ok... does anybody have anything we need to talk about as a team? Or should we get an extra 35 minutes to do reviews :) | 16:27 |
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thingee | bswartz: it means it had to have passed jenkins before then. merge conflicts can be resolved | 16:27 |
smcginnis | I'll just state here I'm seeing CI weirdness. Hope it's not just me. | 16:27 |
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thingee | oh and welcome geguileo to cinder core folks | 16:27 |
smcginnis | geguileo: Congrats! | 16:28 |
bswartz | okay -- just clarifying because some might have thought 23:59 UTC on the 24th was the deadline | 16:28 |
jgriffith | indeed congrats geguileo on the fastest core promotion in | 16:28 |
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geguileo | Thanks!! | 16:28 |
jgriffith | cinder history! | 16:28 |
hemna | :) | 16:28 |
jgriffith | Ok,,, thingee you have anything else? | 16:28 |
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jungleboyj | geguileo: Congrats! | 16:29 |
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thingee | jgriffith: nope, thanks | 16:29 |
jgriffith | bswartz: I don't know that he answered your question? | 16:29 |
geguileo | jungleboyj: Thanks | 16:29 |
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jgriffith | <bswartz> okay -- just clarifying because some might have thought 23:59 UTC on the 24th was the deadline | 16:29 |
bswartz | jgriffith: he did | 16:29 |
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bswartz | it was mostly clarification for other people | 16:30 |
jgriffith | "before then" meaning 23:59 the 23? or the 24th? | 16:30 |
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bswartz | I think that thingee said is perfectly clear -- the deadline is the night of the 23rd | 16:30 |
hemna | 23:59:59 | 16:30 |
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jgriffith | hemna: :) | 16:30 |
thingee | bswartz: +1 | 16:30 |
bswartz | the email isn't so crystal clear | 16:30 |
schwicke | ok, thnaks for the clarification! | 16:30 |
jgriffith | alright, thanks everyone | 16:31 |
thingee | bswartz: I ran it by people before I sent it out at the cinder midcycle :P | 16:31 |
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* thingee blames xyang1 | 16:31 | |
thingee | ;D | 16:31 |
jgriffith | #endmeeting | 16:31 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 19 16:31:14 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:31 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-08-19-16.02.html | 16:31 |
jungleboyj | THanks everyone! | 16:31 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-08-19-16.02.txt | 16:31 |
xyang1 | thingee: Why? | 16:31 |
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openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-08-19-16.02.log.html | 16:31 |
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jungleboyj | thingee: Stay safe in the desert! | 16:31 |
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thingee | xyang1: I'm just kidding. I was saying I blame you because I had you look over the email for it being clear :P | 16:31 |
kmartin | bswartz, it's not crystal clear, it's "cinder clear" | 16:31 |
xyang1 | thingee: :) | 16:31 |
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bswartz | lol oh no I've started an argument | 16:32 |
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xyang1 | thingee: You need to ask bswartz to proof read next time:) | 16:32 |
thingee | xyang1: truth | 16:32 |
bswartz | yeah someone will always claim "It was the 23rd in my timezone!" | 16:32 |
jungleboyj | kmartin: Love it! | 16:32 |
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thingee | some ops love for Cinder (towards the bottom of the release note remarks) https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PAO-ops-upgrades | 16:34 |
jungleboyj | So, midnight on the 23rd, if people are fighting over timezones they have waited too long. | 16:34 |
thingee | jungleboyj: I usually just woke on the 24th and started marking things accordingly | 16:34 |
jungleboyj | thingee: ++ | 16:34 |
jungleboyj | We shall implement accordingly. | 16:35 |
thingee | jgriffith: this period of limited patch acceptance can be a time for us to do all the fixing we want to do in Cinder, but lack focus because of bps. | 16:35 |
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thingee | jgriffith: of course huge changes for fixes can be scary | 16:36 |
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jgriffith | thingee: yeah, I'm familiar with how release cycles work, I just wasn't sure if you had something unique in mind with your phrase "limited bug fixes" when you get back | 16:36 |
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schwicke | hope we'll pass the tests well before that for the hierarchical stuff | 16:38 |
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schwicke | we're waiting for this for a while now at CERN :) | 16:38 |
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notmyname | swift meeting time | 21:00 |
notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Wed Aug 19 21:00:35 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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notmyname | who's here for the swift meeting? | 21:00 |
jrichli | hello | 21:00 |
mattoliverau | o/ | 21:00 |
cschwede | o/ | 21:00 |
minwoob_ | o/ | 21:00 |
redbo | hi | 21:01 |
tdasilva | hi | 21:01 |
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hurricanerix | o/ | 21:01 |
blmartin | Here by phone | 21:01 |
mahatic | ^ | 21:01 |
mattoliverau | So this is what it feels like to have a meeting at a normal hour :P | 21:01 |
ho | hi | 21:01 |
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torgomatic | <-- | 21:01 |
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notmyname | mattoliverau: heh | 21:01 |
aerwin | o/o/ | 21:01 |
nadeem | hi | 21:01 |
notmyname | mahatic: are you awake at some crazy hour? | 21:01 |
mahatic | mattoliverau: so this is what it feels like at a very odd hour :P | 21:01 |
acoles | here | 21:01 |
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mattoliverau | mahatic: lol | 21:01 |
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notmyname | mahatic: 2:30am for you? | 21:02 |
cutforth_ | hello | 21:02 |
mahatic | notmyname: yes! weekly meeting cancelled for 6 am tomm! so I thought I'll pull off a couple of more hours :P | 21:02 |
notmyname | wow | 21:02 |
notmyname | ok, then let's get started | 21:02 |
notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:02 |
notmyname | #topic hackathon summary | 21:02 |
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notmyname | last week we had a great week (IMO) in austin at the hackathon | 21:03 |
notmyname | I'd like to again thank jrichli for hosting and coordinating everything on the ground | 21:03 |
mattoliverau | +100 | 21:03 |
mattoliverau | +100 | 21:03 |
notmyname | also for the cookies ;-) | 21:03 |
mattoliverau | +100 | 21:03 |
clayg | yup jrichli cookies were great | 21:03 |
acoles | great job jrichli | 21:03 |
jrichli | You all are welcome! it was fun | 21:03 |
minwoob_ | Thanks for the cookies. | 21:04 |
clayg | nom nom nom | 21:04 |
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notmyname | I'm currently writing up a summary of the week in a blog post. should be published later this week (that's the plan) | 21:04 |
jrichli | :-) | 21:04 |
notmyname | but for a summary of the summary... | 21:04 |
clayg | heh | 21:04 |
mahatic | :D | 21:04 |
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notmyname | landing patches faster: need better tools and communication | 21:04 |
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notmyname | for tools, there's a couple of things to look in to | 21:05 |
redbo | it was great, jrichli! | 21:05 |
jrichli | glad you liked it redbo! | 21:05 |
notmyname | I've been told that gerrit doesn't have sticky comments | 21:05 |
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notmyname | and I'm still working on a "group prioritization" thing to find who's starred what patches | 21:05 |
notmyname | but the basicn thing I took away there was to communicate more on patches | 21:05 |
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notmyname | if there's already a +2, don't push a patch set over it unless necessary | 21:06 |
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notmyname | if you rebase, make a note saying that's all you did | 21:06 |
notmyname | if you push a patch set up, give a quick sentence explaining the difference | 21:06 |
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notmyname | that will help us all use the tool better (until such time as we have better tools) | 21:06 |
notmyname | also, lot's of stuff on EC issues and getting it to "done" | 21:07 |
notmyname | several things identified and being worked through now | 21:07 |
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notmyname | it means there are some good patches up to review now, and take a look at the bugs tagged "ec" | 21:07 |
notmyname | I think that we'll be able to clear up these known issues and have something reasonable by tokyo | 21:08 |
zaitcev | I have to admit I started skipping EC recently. | 21:08 |
notmyname | that's like the opposite of the right thing! ;-) | 21:08 |
clayg | lol | 21:08 |
zaitcev | I know we have Clay, Kota, Sam et al on the job, so it's easy to get lazy. | 21:08 |
notmyname | zaitcev: we missed you last week | 21:08 |
notmyname | zaitcev: oh, I can sympathize with that :-) | 21:08 |
notmyname | we also talked about encryption and what's going on there | 21:09 |
notmyname | jrichli has organized https://trello.com/b/63l5zQhq/swift-encryption so that it's clear for the big stuff outstanding | 21:10 |
notmyname | in the "to do for reduced scope" column | 21:10 |
notmyname | I think we'll be able to make some great progress on this before tokyo, but I'd be surprised if we get it full done by then | 21:10 |
notmyname | (unless someone tells me "oh yeah it's simple and we're totally already done") | 21:11 |
jrichli | :-) | 21:11 |
acoles | we'll get the PUT path done :) | 21:11 |
notmyname | also at the hackathon we talked about global cluster improvements. not a ton of stuff there except maybe some handoff affinity. most of the rest is deployment management | 21:11 |
* cschwede is curious about handoff affinity | 21:12 | |
clayg | notmyname: is there a bug on handoff affinity? I still don't think I understand exactly how the sorting is going wrong for us? | 21:12 |
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mattoliverau | are we talking write affinity or handoff affinity | 21:12 |
clayg | cschwede: right?! like I think we're supposed to already do this in the proxy, I think something is wrong - but I don't really understand what's breaking down | 21:13 |
notmyname | handoff, I thought | 21:13 |
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notmyname | choose a handoff in the same region as the failed primary | 21:13 |
clayg | mattoliverau: it must be the affinity of a write when write affinity is turned on and some amount of primaries is down | 21:13 |
notmyname | maybe I misremembered | 21:13 |
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mattoliverau | clayg: yup ok, I've also got a patch up there to add handoff affinity to the replicators | 21:14 |
notmyname | yeah, we need to actually have a bug written down | 21:14 |
cschwede | well, even if primaries are not down but use write affinity - you might need handoffs_first? but maybe needs to be discussed outside the meeting. i’m really curious! | 21:14 |
mattoliverau | so we're talking from the proxy side, got it | 21:14 |
cschwede | sometimes proxy is not enough? ie prevent new data written to a node, but also move data asap somewhere elese? | 21:15 |
clayg | handoff affinity in the replicators? like when a primary gets a 507 for a partner in the same region? I don't think I have that starred | 21:15 |
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clayg | we need to open a launchpad tag for global-cluster and makes some issues | 21:15 |
mattoliverau | clayg: yeah, it was an request from an OP during the ops session in Vancouver | 21:16 |
notmyname | ok, so it seems like there's something to with handoffs. and they might (or might not) have affinity. | 21:16 |
notmyname | clayg: good idea | 21:16 |
mattoliverau | lol | 21:16 |
mattoliverau | righ moving on :P | 21:16 |
notmyname | heh, ok | 21:16 |
notmyname | the full clusters discussion was good, I thought. got a list of stuff to write down in some "what to do when swift asplodes" doc. also some ideas as to new tools to write to help in cluster full scenarios | 21:16 |
clayg | mattoliverau: everyone keeps saying someone in vancouver said something about affinity - but I'm not sure that anyone knows who - or wrote down what they acctually wanted | 21:16 |
mattoliverau | yeah, its on the priority reviews wiki | 21:16 |
notmyname | mattoliverau: not in any detail, though | 21:17 |
mattoliverau | that's true | 21:17 |
notmyname | mattoliverau led a good discussion on container sharding | 21:17 |
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clayg | mattoliverau: "handoff affinity (handoffs in the same region)" <= i don't know what that means or what's broken | 21:17 |
mattoliverau | Well I have something up, and hopefully the op in question will review :P | 21:17 |
notmyname | one thing I liked about it is that there are a lot more people looking/thinking about it | 21:17 |
clayg | yay container sharding! redbo will know what to do! | 21:17 |
mattoliverau | yeah, I'll write up a new version of the SPEC to include what was discussed (maybe on the plane ride home) | 21:17 |
notmyname | and it looks like there might be a reasonable reduced-scope plan of what to do | 21:18 |
mattoliverau | ^ sharding | 21:18 |
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notmyname | redbo and dfg and nadeem and allen told us about hummingbird. I like it a lot and they did a great job. I have a much better idea of what the goal actually is and the plans to solve the problem | 21:19 |
mattoliverau | +1 | 21:19 |
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* clayg wonders if he'll ever get back to his hummingbird patch | 21:19 | |
zaitcev | I don't have a hard requirement for c sharding, but I'm very enthusiastic for Matt actually doing it. Swift needed it for years, but we got by with application-controlled split-up for containers. | 21:19 |
notmyname | for those not there, the problem being solved is summed up as "object replication is slow in big clusters" (somehwat simplified) | 21:19 |
notmyname | so the golang object server + object replication processes help with speeding up replication | 21:20 |
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notmyname | and that right there is a really good thing | 21:20 |
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notmyname | so the initial numbers they presented were pretty encouraging, and they shared some tools on how we can all duplicate the tests in our own environment | 21:20 |
cschwede | can you give a raw estimation? like 10% faster, or more like 10x? | 21:21 |
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clayg | notmyname: oh yeah! I want to try that with keep_cache_private = true | 21:21 |
notmyname | but also, there was the common understanding that the hummingbird branch is intentionally simplified (eg no policy support) for now, and it's a long-term thing | 21:21 |
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clayg | cschwede: I think it was more like "can rebalance as fast as we're adding capacity" vs. "can not rebalance as fast as we're adding capacity" | 21:22 |
clayg | #10PB+problems | 21:22 |
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notmyname | cschwede: the numbers for now are more about asyncs and .... yeah, what clayg said | 21:23 |
notmyname | right. how many partitions can get rebalanced when adding significant capacity | 21:23 |
ho | cschwede: put 1.5X, get 4.6X, delete 1.4X in my memo. | 21:23 |
notmyname | ho: thanks! | 21:23 |
notmyname | redbo: is that right? ^ | 21:23 |
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clayg | cschwede: oh, I thought you were talking about replication not the object server | 21:24 |
acoles | cschwede : same as ho in my notes, ho looked it up faster! | 21:24 |
clayg | I thought reads form the page cache were like 6x faster | 21:24 |
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ho | acoles: hehe | 21:24 |
clayg | and I thought the os threads for blocking syscalls got them like near 2x on writes & delete's | 21:24 |
cschwede | clayg: ho: notmyname: acoles thx! sounds great. yeah, i had replication in mind primarily, but put/get as well | 21:24 |
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redbo | Sorry, wasn't following too close. Replication speed is one of the big goals. | 21:25 |
acoles | clayg: yeah i noted 2x on write/delete for 1k objs, numbers above were 1M | 21:26 |
clayg | I really do wanna do server per port with ~4 workers per port and keep_cache_private = true | 21:26 |
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redbo | Policies is one simplification. I don't think it'll be too difficult to add replicated policies, we just don't use them. | 21:26 |
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notmyname | redbo: right. wasn't saying that as a ding. just that the goals right now are more around replication times in your clusters than "full replacement" | 21:27 |
notmyname | which is totally reasonable IMO | 21:27 |
notmyname | so aside for the specific things going on, the larger thing is just that there is a *ton* of stuff going on in swift right now | 21:28 |
notmyname | we had 27 people at the hackathon. and over 40 things listed as topics to talk about | 21:28 |
clayg | redbo: and POST! but feature parity may be a distraction; enumeration of differences is a) more useful and b) required to quantify parity | 21:28 |
notmyname | so if you feel like it's hard to keep track of all the things and a lot is happening, you're right! | 21:28 |
clayg | notmyname: did we get to everything when it was all said and done? | 21:28 |
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notmyname | clayg: we did not do anythign about metadata searching | 21:28 |
notmyname | but yeah, we got almost everything | 21:29 |
clayg | sigh, or part power adjustment - sorry cschwede | 21:29 |
clayg | well - that's pretty good i 'spose | 21:29 |
clayg | notmyname: I feel like it's hard to keep track of all the things and a lot is happening | 21:29 |
notmyname | clayg: you're right! ;-) | 21:29 |
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cschwede | good that we meet again in ~ 9 weeks :) | 21:29 |
clayg | omg - i can't believe it | 21:30 |
notmyname | so with all the stuff going on, it's pretty important that we prioritize and realize what is reasonable to do before tokyo, what we can make progress on in the short-term, and what we defer to "conversations over beer" | 21:30 |
notmyname | so unless there's other things to say about the hackathon, that's a good segue to talkign about releases | 21:31 |
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clayg | yay release! | 21:31 |
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torgomatic | probably good to release code sometimes :) | 21:32 |
notmyname | #topic releases | 21:32 |
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notmyname | yeah | 21:32 |
notmyname | so I want to do a release next week | 21:32 |
zaitcev | okay | 21:32 |
clayg | although at this point I want to get in peluse's etag_buckets fix for EC overwrite and probably other stuff too | 21:32 |
notmyname | I'll be working on release notes, etc | 21:32 |
notmyname | it will be 2.4 | 21:32 |
notmyname | and that should give us time to have one more release before tokyo (albeit with a fast turnaround) | 21:33 |
notmyname | so here's a "rule" I'd like to try to follow: if there is any open bug that is marked as critical, it blocks a release | 21:34 |
notmyname | (rule in quotes because I don't know a better word of the top of my head) | 21:34 |
mahatic | guideline ;) | 21:34 |
notmyname | so if you're looking at a swift bug in launchpad.....rather, "when" you're looking at swift bugs in launchpad, if there's something that must be in the next release, it should be marked critical | 21:34 |
notmyname | mahatic: thanks :-) | 21:35 |
notmyname | does that sound ok with everyone? | 21:35 |
zaitcev | https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift shows 5 critical ones. | 21:35 |
mattoliverau | yup, great plan | 21:35 |
clayg | zaitcev: nice! so... are they inprogress? | 21:35 |
notmyname | ya | 21:35 |
notmyname | the 2 open ones are the 2 we aren't supposed to talk about publicly yet ;-) | 21:36 |
mattoliverau | 3 are fix commited | 21:36 |
notmyname | shhhh | 21:36 |
mattoliverau | ninja bugs | 21:36 |
clayg | phthththth - dorks | 21:36 |
notmyname | anything else about releases? | 21:37 |
acoles | notmyname: sounds ok | 21:37 |
notmyname | #topic keystone related patches | 21:37 |
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notmyname | #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/421542/ | 21:37 |
notmyname | ho: this is your topic | 21:37 |
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clayg | ho: drop some knowledge | 21:37 |
ho | yeah, I would like to introduce keystone related patches in swift to get atention from you :-) | 21:37 |
torgomatic | one of these years, I should figure out how to spin up a Keystone instance | 21:38 |
ho | I summarized the current status in the paste url. | 21:38 |
ho | If you have a time, please read it and feel free to ask me. | 21:38 |
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ho | that's i want to say here. :) | 21:38 |
mattoliverau | ho: thanks for the paste, that's useful :) | 21:38 |
clayg | torgomatic: you can't - your business hours overlap with North American timezone - for some reason it's impossible to know anything about swift+keystone if you work in North America - no one knows why | 21:38 |
acoles | clayg: i'm moving to north america then :P | 21:39 |
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mattoliverau | lol | 21:39 |
ho | acoles: great idea! lol@ | 21:39 |
notmyname | ho: thanks for working on this | 21:39 |
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clayg | ho: oh I think i misunderstood - you don't want more attention to swift+keystone *in general* - you just have some keystone patches that need more immediate attention | 21:40 |
notmyname | I just had someone today mention something about swift+keystone v3 and wanting something better | 21:40 |
zaitcev | torgomatic: it's very easy. just edit and run this - http://www.zaitcev.us/things/keystone-setup.sh | 21:40 |
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notmyname | zaitcev: that's great! | 21:40 |
acoles | so ho has done a lot of work on a comprehensive test suite for checking all role based access scenarios. they were taking a looong time to execute but we got that done some in austin | 21:41 |
cschwede | zaitcev: nice! saved | 21:41 |
acoles | s/done/down/ | 21:41 |
ho | clayg: yeah | 21:41 |
clayg | zaitcev: I dont' think `systemctl start openstack-keystone.service | 21:42 |
clayg | ^ will work on my ssytem | 21:42 |
ho | i also try to make vagrant-swift-all-in-one with keystone | 21:42 |
clayg | zaitcev: that's like "given a pre-existing keystone deployment" here's 100 lines of bash that can "set it up" | 21:43 |
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ho | I will push it to the repository but i have to learn more about chef :-) | 21:43 |
tdasilva | i think mattoliverau ansible scripts sets up keystone, right? | 21:43 |
notmyname | ho: thanks for bringing these up | 21:43 |
zaitcev | clayg: My point is, you don't need to bring up whole OpenStack, just do what the script does and it makes Keystone with stable IDs and SQLite backend. Fairly painless when compared with the OOO-based installer... | 21:44 |
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mattoliverau | tdasilva: yeah, I have something, I'll get that up one of these days | 21:44 |
clayg | hugokuo: has keystone setup scripts too! | 21:44 |
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notmyname | sounds like there's a few things. ok, everyone go race to see who can write docs and scripts the fastest! go! | 21:45 |
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notmyname | #topic open discussion | 21:45 |
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notmyname | what else is on your mind? | 21:45 |
clayg | we everyone has scripts! I don't think that really solves "a group is just a role that assigns a user to project under the domain, what's the problem!" | 21:46 |
torgomatic | eh, the scripts still help (me) | 21:46 |
torgomatic | last time I tried was by spinning up a full devstack, and it took two hours and didn't work | 21:46 |
clayg | yeah, i suppose you're right | 21:46 |
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cschwede | sounds familar | 21:47 |
notmyname | I'm at the openstack ops meetup right now. there's love for swift here. "it just works." "it's very stable" "I don't have to worry about it". etc | 21:47 |
clayg | torgomatic: heh, i seem to be able to get my devstack turned on most of the time | 21:47 |
hurricanerix | notmyname: I have that testr patch currently marked as a WIP. If anybody cares to look and give feedback on it. | 21:47 |
notmyname | be proud of what you've done with swif t:-) | 21:47 |
minwoob_ | I think if we had more time at the hackathon, we might have gotten to a discussion regarding small file optimizations for EC. | 21:47 |
notmyname | hurricanerix: right! that's a good one | 21:47 |
notmyname | hurricanerix: I'm planning on looking at that asap | 21:47 |
clayg | torgomatic: but using keystone client is a real PITA - there's some descrepency between what the api says to do and what you can do with the keystone client? I think the openstack client is better supported but less documented or something? | 21:47 |
notmyname | (which might be a day or so) | 21:47 |
minwoob_ | Specifically, whether we'd want to go forward with a dual-policy for EC policy for small vs. large objects. | 21:48 |
hurricanerix | notmyname: cool, thanks. | 21:48 |
minwoob_ | (replication and EC). | 21:48 |
zaitcev | On the other hand, I met an IT guy from New York who said he attended some of our sessions in Vancouver, and found "Swift people" "disorganized". | 21:48 |
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notmyname | minwoob_: yeah, that's a big deal. definitely needs to happen (small file optimization). post tokyo, though | 21:48 |
notmyname | in the few times I opened my laptop, I saw a ton of pep8 patches (and zaitcev saying stuff on twitter). what's going on? | 21:49 |
acoles | torgomatic: clayg keystoneclient CLI doesn't support v3 so openstack cli the way | 21:49 |
clayg | zaitcev: we *are* disorganized - there's too much going on :'( | 21:49 |
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clayg | acoles: I think zaitcev's script gets by with 'keystone' | 21:49 |
mattoliverau | zaitcev: and we didn't have monitors in the meeting rooms so that made showing things harder | 21:49 |
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zaitcev | notmyname: The gentleman with strange nickname was trying to reduce the Hxxx/Fxxx exclusion list. One patch per exclusion. | 21:49 |
notmyname | the exclusion list is not a TODO list | 21:50 |
zaitcev | oh | 21:50 |
clayg | notmyname: heh | 21:50 |
minwoob_ | notmyname: Right. Do you think it's something good for a spec? | 21:50 |
torgomatic | notmyname: yes, and we allowed the ones that made sense and rejected the oens that didn't | 21:50 |
notmyname | torgomatic: ok, great | 21:50 |
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clayg | minwoob_: it would help to have more words - what you're thinking and how you're thinking about doing it - a spec is a plce you can write words - so it might work | 21:51 |
notmyname | I spoke with someone here, and it seems like it would be possible to adjust some dependencies so that we can get back to a whitelist of style changes. it's something I'll look in to at some point | 21:51 |
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notmyname | clayg: minwoob_: we had some good dieas back at the boston hackathon | 21:51 |
acoles | clayg: yeah but i don't see it adding all the test accounts we now have - there's one in a non-default domain | 21:51 |
notmyname | not sure what (if anything) was written, though | 21:51 |
minwoob_ | I'll try to coordinate with someone on that, then. | 21:52 |
clayg | the *boston* hackathon? about directing to ec/replicated "policy" based on size? | 21:52 |
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minwoob_ | It probably goes deeper than just "if an object in the EC policy is < certain size, store it via replication". | 21:52 |
notmyname | clayg: something about just storing the whole data for smal objects, but in every fragment (ie 14x replication). | 21:52 |
notmyname | minwoob_: yeah, probably | 21:53 |
minwoob_ | But a good start. | 21:53 |
clayg | minwoob_: redbo commented that basically the way the ec policies were exposed makes them very difficult to deploy for service providers because... well because users make unexpected choices :\ | 21:53 |
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notmyname | minwoob_: so, yes, it would be good to work on and it's definitely needed. one reason is because of what clayg jsut said | 21:53 |
notmyname | minwoob_: so I'd love to see something there, but don't expect it to get much attention for a few months at least | 21:53 |
minwoob_ | Yeah, definitely something post-Liberty. | 21:54 |
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notmyname | depending on what we get done in the next few weeks, it might be a decent session in tokyo | 21:54 |
redbo | if we can do a small file optimization for EC policies, could we do a large file EC optimization for replicated policies? :) | 21:54 |
clayg | ho: anyway - if you *could* keep working on keystone support for vagrant-swift-all-in-one that'd be great | 21:54 |
notmyname | redbo: one policy for everything! | 21:54 |
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notmyname | anything else to bring up from anyone this week? | 21:55 |
ho | clayg: thanks! i will brush up it more | 21:55 |
zaitcev | Just one more step and it'll turn out that policies were unnecessary to begin with. Except for e.g. geographic policies. | 21:55 |
notmyname | zaitcev: just one policy: do-the-right-thing | 21:55 |
mattoliverau | lol | 21:56 |
notmyname | ok, I'm calling it | 21:56 |
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clayg | I'm really not sure if it's quite as simple as a single storage policy that can do both kinds of data :\ It feels more like per policy constraints or automagic re-routing of requests + symlinks | 21:56 |
notmyname | thanks for coming today. and thanks for working on swift | 21:56 |
torgomatic | what are you calling it? | 21:56 |
mattoliverau | Bob | 21:56 |
torgomatic | Good choice | 21:56 |
notmyname | torgomatic: done (the meeting) | 21:56 |
clayg | Steve | 21:56 |
jrichli | lol | 21:56 |
redbo | the other thing was if a customer sets EC policy, we could reject uploads < some size | 21:56 |
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notmyname | it's always "steve" for me | 21:56 |
minwoob_ | lol | 21:56 |
notmyname | redbo: ya. 409 conflict | 21:56 |
notmyname | redbo: or 412. whatever | 21:57 |
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notmyname | redbo: and no chunked encoding | 21:57 |
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notmyname | or copies. or *LOs | 21:57 |
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cschwede | simplifies a lot | 21:57 |
notmyname | :-) | 21:58 |
notmyname | #endmeeting | 21:58 |
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openstack | Meeting ended Wed Aug 19 21:58:03 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:58 |
openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-08-19-21.00.html | 21:58 |
openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-08-19-21.00.txt | 21:58 |
openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-08-19-21.00.log.html | 21:58 |
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