Thursday, 2015-08-20

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thinrichs	Hi all.	00:00
thinrichs	#startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting	00:00
openstack	Meeting started Thu Aug 20 00:00:44 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is thinrichs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.	00:00
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RuiChen	hi thinrichs	00:00
thinrichs	Hi RuiChen	00:01
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thinrichs	I have just a couple of technical things on the agenda:	00:02
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thinrichs	1. Discuss tables with differing numbers of columns	00:02
thinrichs	2. Gating on tempest tests	00:02
thinrichs	3. Progress on distributed architecture	00:02
thinrichs	Is there anything else?	00:02
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thinrichs	If anything comes to mind, pipe up.	00:04
RuiChen	if you have anything need my help, please feel free to assign to me :0	00:04
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RuiChen	:)	00:04
thinrichs	RuiChen: thanks! Some of the blueprints for the distributed architecture are unclaimed.	00:05
RuiChen	yeah, I see it	00:05
thinrichs	#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/congress	00:05
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thinrichs	Not as many as I had thought though.	00:06
thinrichs	Let's start with discussing this code change:	00:06
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thinrichs	#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/213283/	00:06
Yingxin1	:)	00:07
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thinrichs	Yingxin1: want to describe the problem it's solving?	00:07
Yingxin1	yes	00:07
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Yingxin1	A table is used to generate other tables, report errors, and execute actions.	00:08
Yingxin1	But I found that a table with multiple columns fail to do either of them.	00:09
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Yingxin1	And currently there are many bugs supporting tables with multiple columns	00:10
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Yingxin1	So I pushed this patch.	00:10
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thinrichs	Right. The only main reason we've been hesitant to eliminate multiple columns for a single table is error.	00:11
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thinrichs	The error table, that is.	00:11
thinrichs	It's always been useful for us to write the rule..	00:11
thinrichs	error(vm) :- blah	00:11
thinrichs	and also write the rule...	00:11
thinrichs	error(vm, net) :- blah	00:12
thinrichs	I asked Murano if they were using multi-arity tables, and they said no.	00:12
thinrichs	So there's no customer we know of that this would break.	00:12
Yingxin1	Yes, but an error table collecting many errors, it should also tell where these errors come from.	00:13
thinrichs	In the long run, we want to enable people to write different kinds of error statements.	00:13
thinrichs	Yingxin1: could you explain what you mean by "where these errors come from"?	00:14
thinrichs	Maybe with an example.	00:14
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Yingxin1	When there are many rules generating errors to an 'error()' table.	00:15
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Yingxin1	So there will be many kinds of error in a single error table.	00:16
Yingxin1	But a single error table cannot tell what kind of error it is.	00:16
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Yingxin1	So it confuses users.	00:17
thinrichs	I don't think that having multiple error tables will be enough to explain where the error came from, but it might help classify the type of error.	00:18
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thinrichs	It sounds like you want multiple error tables.	00:18
thinrichs	When someone asks for all the policy violations, we still need a way of displaying all those error tables.	00:19
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thinrichs	That is, having multiple tables doesn't change the work we need to do at the CLI/Horizon layer.	00:19
thinrichs	It just enables us to add a syntax check.	00:19
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thinrichs	I think in the long run, I'd lean toward turning 'error' into a modal operator.	00:20
thinrichs	So we'd write something like…	00:20
thinrichs	error[table1(vm)] :- blah	00:20
thinrichs	error[table2(vm, net)] :- blah	00:20
thinrichs	Then someone can ask for all the errors with a query like:	00:20
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thinrichs	give me all x such that error[x] is true.	00:21
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thinrichs	What do we all think?	00:22
Yingxin1	Yes, error table can be a special one.	00:22
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RuiChen	how we can get the different error tables row ?	00:22
RuiChen	congress policy row list chenrui_p error ?	00:22
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thinrichs	With Yingxin1's change, you'd ask multiple queries:	00:23
thinrichs	congress policy row list chenrui_p error1	00:23
thinrichs	congress policy row list chenrui_p error2	00:23
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thinrichs	Another change would have a special CLI command, e.g.	00:24
Yingxin1	Or the error tables can have a naming convention	00:24
thinrichs	congress policy row list modal chenrui_p error	00:24
Yingxin1	Congress can search for them automatically.	00:24
thinrichs	Yingxin1: you still need the special API call to do that.	00:25
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thinrichs	I'm proposing a clean way to implement that API call and to write the policy rules.	00:25
Yingxin1	I think so.	00:26
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thinrichs	RuiChen: any objection to eliminating differing column-numbers for a single table?	00:27
thinrichs	It's time to move on.	00:27
RuiChen	no, but I think maybe we need a specs to clarify it?	00:27
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thinrichs	I don't think we need a spec. The code is already written.	00:28
thinrichs	It's more a usability question than a technical question.	00:29
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thinrichs	Let's follow up on comments on the code itself.	00:29
thinrichs	#topic Gating on Tempest tests	00:30
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thinrichs	I've been trying to get the tempest tests working so we can add them to our gate.	00:30
thinrichs	Ensuring no code gets merged unless it passes the tempest tests.	00:30
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thinrichs	This came up again this week when Congress wouldn't start in devstack, which the Murano team noticed.	00:30
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thinrichs	The problem seems to be that the tempest tests fail > 50% of the time.	00:31
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thinrichs	But it's a different test that fails each time.	00:31
thinrichs	Here's the latest.	00:31
thinrichs	http://logs.openstack.org/27/214327/5/experimental/gate-congress-dsvm-api/95cf8cd/console.html	00:31
thinrichs	Search for: Failed 2 tests	00:32
thinrichs	I've tried upping the timeouts and disabling tests, just so we can get basic devstack integration tested on each checkin.	00:32
thinrichs	But that hasn't worked out so well.	00:32
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thinrichs	At this point, I'm thinking about just disabling all but a couple of tests that work reliably	00:33
thinrichs	and gating on those.	00:34
thinrichs	Then we can fix the flaky tests later.	00:34
thinrichs	Thoughts?	00:34
pballand	+1 for that, even if the tests are trivial	00:34
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thinrichs	pballand: I saw your comment; do you know SKIPtest() works?	00:36
pballand	I don’t - I just figured if you were renaming methods, using “SKIP” instead of XXX would be better	00:37
alexsyip	I second thinrichs ’s plan.	00:37
thinrichs	Oh—got it. Thought you were saying I was using the wrong method name.	00:37
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thinrichs	Will do. Seems tempest doesn't like us to skip tests.	00:37
thinrichs	#link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/tempest/HACKING.html#skipping-tests	00:37
thinrichs	Related question for the group: anyone know how to stop tempest from running entire files of tests?	00:38
thinrichs	B/c we have nova, neutron, cinder, swift, etc. running in devstack, tempest is running all of the tests it has for all of those services too.	00:39
thinrichs	Instead of just the Congress tests.	00:39
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Sayaji	thinrichs: We can provide a file with the list of tests to run to tempest	00:40
RuiChen	maybe we can remove the file name prefix 'test***'	00:40
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thinrichs	Sayaji: any docs on that? Can we do it in the gate pipeline?	00:41
thinrichs	BTW: found the proper way to skip tests in tempest:	00:41
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thinrichs	#link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/tempest/HACKING.html#test-skips-because-of-known-bugs	00:41
Sayaji	thinrichs: I have to look it up	00:42
thinrichs	TLDR: Use the @skip_because decorator	00:42
thinrichs	Sayaji: could you look it up and send us a link (email or whatever)?	00:42
Sayaji	thinrichs: Sure, will do that	00:42
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thinrichs	Sayaji: thanks!	00:43
Sayaji	thinrichs: np	00:43
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thinrichs	Next topic: status reports.	00:43
thinrichs	#topic status	00:43
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thinrichs	Mainly on the distributed architecture, but anything the group needs to discuss is fine too.	00:43
thinrichs	Since we're short on time, just volunteer if you have something.	00:44
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alexsyip	I checked in some changes required for rule synchronization.	00:44
pballand	I pushed a draft of the dist-cross-process-dse spec. Design is still in progress, but it would be helpful if people could check the requirements	00:45
alexsyip	I started addressing some comments for the startup script.	00:45
pballand	s/requirements/Problem description/	00:45
alexsyip	That’s all.	00:45
thinrichs	alexsyip: was that the change the eliminated duplicates from the DB?	00:45
alexsyip	Yes	00:45
zhenzanz	Tim: I take your bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/congress/+bug/1486246 Neutron and HA tempest tests broken	00:45
openstack	Launchpad bug 1486246 in congress "Neutron and HA tempest tests broken" [High,New] - Assigned to Zhenzan Zhou (zhenzan-zhou)	00:45
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thinrichs	alexsyip: I had to revert it because it wouldn't work with MySql	00:45
zhenzanz	do you have detail logs?	00:46
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alexsyip	mysql doesn’t support unique?	00:46
thinrichs	alexsyip: mysql requires the field to have a fixed width for it to be unique	00:46
thinrichs	And I think it could be at most 255 chars long.	00:46
thinrichs	(I could be wrong about that one though.)	00:46
alexsyip	That’s unfortunate.	00:46
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thinrichs	alexsyip: yep. Also, we need to write a DB migration script every time we change the schema.	00:47
thinrichs	Turns out to be just a matter of running a script.	00:47
thinrichs	I had forgotten about it entirely.	00:47
thinrichs	#link https://github.com/openstack/congress/tree/master/congress/db/migration	00:48
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thinrichs	zhenzanz: turns out it's not just the neutron tests.	00:48
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thinrichs	zhenzanz: there are a bunch that nondeterministically fail	00:48
thinrichs	zhenzanz: see above discussion about tempest tests and gate.	00:48
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thinrichs	pballand: cool!	00:49
zhenzanz	ok, thanks. Sorry I'm late	00:49
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thinrichs	#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/214893/1/specs/liberty/dist-cross-process-dse	00:49
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thinrichs	Let's all make a point of getting pballand comments on the spec over the next few days.	00:50
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thinrichs	#action all review dist-cross-process-dse spec	00:51
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thinrichs	zhenzanz: no worries. Figured you had missed that bit of the meeting.	00:51
pballand	thinrichs: thanks - unfortunately there is no full design there, but I wanted feedback sooner than later to make sure we are in agreement on the problem we are solving	00:51
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thinrichs	pballand: sounds like a good idea to me.	00:52
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thinrichs	pballand: remember that we already have broad consensus for the approach	00:52
thinrichs	pballand: so I wouldn't be timid about getting it out there.	00:52
pballand	sure	00:53
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pballand	I am working on improving my DseNode skeleton, and updating the design incrementally	00:53
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thinrichs	pballand: nice! I think a lot will become clearer once we have a first cut of that.	00:53
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thinrichs	That brings to mind…	00:53
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thinrichs	I was wondering if it's worth debugging the RPC functionality that we're adding before moving to the fully distributed architecture.	00:54
thinrichs	That is, we could get everything working over RPC using the existing DSE	00:54
pballand	what do you mean by debugging?	00:54
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thinrichs	and then once we move to the RPC of oslo.messaging, at least we've eliminated some basic problems.	00:55
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thinrichs	So we'd be sending messages over the deepsix messaging functionality.	00:56
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thinrichs	Instead of reaching into the policy engines and datasources directly when implementing the API.	00:56
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thinrichs	Or would that be too much work?	00:57
thinrichs	We already have an implementation of RPC using deepsix (though we abandoned it).	00:57
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thinrichs	We could resurrect it.	00:57
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pballand	not sure…	00:58
thinrichs	2 minutes left.	00:58
thinrichs	Anything else?	00:58
pballand	if we use the same rpc method name, though, it may make the transition easier	00:59
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thinrichs	pballand: agreed.	00:59
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thinrichs	It'll help us make sure we've removed all references to external services and singletons.	01:00
thinrichs	Times up.	01:00
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thinrichs	Let's keep making good progress!	01:00
thinrichs	Bye	01:00
thinrichs	#endmeeting	01:00
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RuiChen	bye, everybody	01:01
Yingxin1	bye	01:01
Sayaji	bye	01:01
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jamielennox	#startmeeting openstack-qa	09:03
openstack	Meeting started Thu Aug 20 09:03:39 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jamielennox. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.	09:03
openstack	Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.	09:03
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack-qa)"		09:03
openstack	The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_qa'	09:03
jamielennox	I have no idea how to lead a meeting - particularly one for qa	09:03
jamielennox	however as i'm the only one with stuff on the agenda i may as well	09:04
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jamielennox	please let there me other people here	09:04
jordanP	jamielennox, o/	09:04
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ylobankov	hi guys	09:04
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dmellado	hi all	09:04
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jamielennox	so i'm not sure what to do here - does anyone know if there was a plan to skip this week?	09:05
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jordanP	jamielennox, I haven"t heard such a thing	09:06
jamielennox	i have no powers on qa, i feel we don't exactly have a quorum	09:06
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gmann	hi	09:07
jordanP	afazekas, gmann me from the tempest core team are here, at least.	09:07
jordanP	mkoderer, ping ?	09:07
dmellado	how about just going over the agenda?	09:07
gmann	may be oomichi forgot to send mail.	09:07
jamielennox	#topic V3 identity in devstack	09:07
*** openstack changes topic to "V3 identity in devstack (Meeting topic: openstack-qa)"		09:07
jamielennox	i sent an email to the mailing list last week saying that we are trying to remove the v2 identity default in devstack	09:08
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jamielennox	this has the possible side effect of breaking anyone doing openstackclient identity commands directly (not using things in functions)	09:08
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jamielennox	last time i made a breaking change like this there was the general idea that it should be advertised better before hand	09:09
jordanP	jamielennox, no way to be safe and not to break too much ?	09:09
afazekas	hi	09:09
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jamielennox	however no-one has responded with any particular concerns to the email - which leads me to believe no one saw it	09:09
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jamielennox	jordanP: so if you are using the get_or_create functions that devstack ships then it's fine	09:09
jamielennox	and there are a bunch of commands that are the same in v2/v3	09:10
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jamielennox	however things like create a project or create users can be different and i expect there are at least some third party CIs out there	09:10
jamielennox	that use it that way	09:10
jamielennox	One way or another this needs to happen. keysotne has been trying to deprecate v2 auth for ~4 cycles now	09:11
dmellado	so then this change would only break 'theroically' 3rd party CIs?	09:11
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jamielennox	#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-August/072048.html	09:11
jamielennox	#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186684/	09:11
jordanP	I guess you could send a gentle reminder on the ML, just to be safe. In the end sdague and dtroyer or ianw would have to approve the change	09:11
jamielennox	i have no specific knowledge of anyone that is broken by this	09:11
jamielennox	jordanP: that's the first link :)	09:11
jamielennox	i kind of feel like i'm going to have to wait on that until we can get at least those 3 together	09:13
jamielennox	alright	09:13
jordanP	yeah....	09:13
jamielennox	#topic TLS Support	09:13
*** openstack changes topic to "TLS Support (Meeting topic: openstack-qa)"		09:13
jamielennox	(i should have picked a better week :)	09:13
jamielennox	#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/187346/	09:14
jamielennox	so currently there is supposed to be support for TLS in devstack via a stud proxy	09:14
jordanP	#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Proposed_Agenda_for_August_20th_2015_.280900_UTC.29 btw, the agenda is here	09:14
jamielennox	this is broken by various services who forget about this case	09:14
jamielennox	There are two patches that do pretty much the same job of fixing this	09:15
jamielennox	the goal here is to at least get devstack gating with TLS support to stop it from getting worse	09:15
jamielennox	sdague has come out against the patch saying we need to fix it in services	09:15
jamielennox	i completely agree - however in the mean time devstack is broken and i would like to get these passed	09:15
jordanP	what do you mean "in services" ?	09:15
jamielennox	so the main issue i'm aware of is that when you do version discovery you need to know your current URL	09:16
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jamielennox	if your request has gone through a load balancer this is no longer what the service expects	09:16
jamielennox	and the service will respond with fully qualified URLs that are based on a non-public host	09:17
jamielennox	i feel the long term solution to this is just make all discovery services use relative URLS and ignore determining the host	09:17
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jamielennox	to pull this off though is a massive cross project effort with multi cycle deprecations	09:18
jamielennox	and lets face it, they are often not effective	09:18
jamielennox	i don't want to wait to fix devstack on implementing that plan	09:19
jamielennox	ianw has already +2ed	09:19
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jamielennox	again, i'm interested in peoples opinions but i think it'll require getting some devstack-core together	09:20
jordanP	I don't like having to hardcode public endpoint in the conf	09:20
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jordanP	but I understand that we need an intermediate step	09:20
jamielennox	jordanP: agreed, i'll be honest i thought there was better support from load balancers on this one	09:21
jamielennox	that the original request URL was passed through (i might be wrong and it is)	09:21
jordanP	jamielennox, I remeber when I was an operator we had issue with heat behind a LB	09:21
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jamielennox	rcrit: any idea if the original request url is available behind a load balancer?	09:21
jordanP	we had to fordward the HTTP_FORAWRD-PROTOCOL header	09:22
jamielennox	because i know that for example in keystone if public_endpoint is not set in CONF then we take it from the request URL	09:22
jamielennox	jordanP: yep, i've seen that as well, but that handles specifically TLS termination	09:22
rcrit	jamielennox, I don't know.	09:22
jamielennox	rcrit: when you get a chance can you have a look	09:23
rcrit	but keystone is one of the services in the patch	09:23
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jamielennox	at the env vars and see if there is some indication of the original request URL	09:23
jamielennox	it's hard to tell on devstack because the TLS terminator is on the same host as the servic	09:24
jamielennox	if available that's a fairly easy path forward	09:24
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rcrit	you'd be able to tell by the protocol	09:24
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jordanP	that would be LB specific, some LB could forward or give a hint about the original URL, some other LB won't...	09:25
jamielennox	alright, taking this meeting leadership thing by the horns	09:25
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rcrit	it could also differ service to service	09:25
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jamielennox	#action rcrit to determine if there is a standard way to get original request URL from behind a load balancer	09:25
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jamielennox	:)	09:25
jordanP	:D	09:25
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rcrit	roger that	09:26
jamielennox	i htink long term we want to go relative URLs but if we can at least deprecate the public_endpoint thing that'd be a good start	09:26
jamielennox	i'll figure out who i need to chase on that one	09:27
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jordanP	jamielennox, do you know where exaclty this public_endpoint config is used ?	09:27
jamielennox	#topic Open Discussion	09:27
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jamielennox	#undo	09:27
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jordanP	(just for my info)	09:28
jamielennox	jordanP: so when you do GET / on most services you get the versions back and a link to them	09:28
jamielennox	for most services that's a fully qualified link	09:28
jamielennox	originally you always had to set public_endpoint and that would become the base of those version links	09:29
jamielennox	in keystone at least we deprecated that and we would take the current request URL as the base path	09:29
rcrit	it defaults to the current host using http as the protocol	09:29
jamielennox	because that had obviously gotten you to the service	09:29
jamielennox	then we did the X-Forwarded-Proto thing for TLS	09:30
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jamielennox	but i would have thought there must be a way to determine the original URL	09:30
jordanP	jamielennox, you can always have your LB add extra HTTP header	09:31
jordanP	but it's not standard practise	09:31
jamielennox	jordanP: yea, but then we need to figure out every load balancer, we could set a config to receive what that variable name was but i'd prefer just to get rid of the practice	09:32
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jamielennox	honestly i don't think many people are actually relying on the version and links in the response anyway	09:32
jamielennox	i would be surprised if people noticed let alone were broken	09:32
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jordanP	yep	09:33
jamielennox	anyway - i guess that's a cross project spec so i'll look at that	09:33
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jamielennox	#action jamielennox figure out a cross project spec for removing absolute links in projects	09:34
jamielennox	#topic Anything Else	09:34
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jamielennox	theres a few tempest people - is there anything you are looking to discuss?	09:34
jordanP	gmann, I am a bit overwhelm by your "Return complete response" work :)	09:35
gmann	jordanP: sorry, stuck in nove thing	09:35
jamielennox	jordanP: i'll happily topic it if you let me know what it is	09:35
jordanP	jamielennox, that would be open discussion :)	09:36
gmann	jordanP: so now we going for those first than UT	09:36
jordanP	gmann, UT is done no ?	09:36
jamielennox	jordanP: roger that	09:36
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jordanP	gmann, not really in fact, I've checked	09:36
gmann	jordanP: no, actually progress was slow there and even that can be done on lib too	09:36
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jordanP	let's see how far Kenji Yasui can go	09:37
gmann	jordanP: added one more guy today from my team lets see if that goes well :)	09:37
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gmann	jordanP: yea	09:37
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jordanP	gmann, Kenji Yasui is getting better and better. His patchsets 1 are mostly good now	09:38
jordanP	we good expect good progress in the next week	09:38
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jordanP	granted we review his work	09:38
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gmann	jordanP: ok .	09:39
dmellado	I also wanted to know if there's anyone around that knows what the current state for dhcpv6 in tempest (really in cirros)	09:39
dmellado	I wanted to add dhcpv6 stateful scenario tests but as I discussed in last meeting it's still not fully supported	09:40
dmellado	Last bug I found was this https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bug/1366326	09:40
openstack	Launchpad bug 1366326 in CirrOS "ipv6 support" [Medium,Confirmed]	09:40
jordanP	dmellado, so is there a bug with tempest ? I mean did you run Tempest with let's say ubuntu instead of cirros ?	09:41
dmellado	jordanP: suggested to try manila approach but and use another image but I'm not really sure how that would pass the gate	09:41
dmellado	jordanP: it's a cirros issue	09:41
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dmellado	using another image, if it supports dhcpv6 (not in cirros) it just works	09:41
jordanP	dmellado, that's a good start	09:42
jordanP	then I guess you should brought this topic to Cirros ML	09:42
jordanP	make some noise... as usual :)	09:42
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dmellado	I'll do, let's see if we can get to have that implemented	09:43
jordanP	yep, that's the only way I can think of	09:43
dmellado	because tempest gate checks are limited to cirros image, usually, isn't it?	09:43
jordanP	dmellado, yep. And this is not going to change as far as I can see	09:43
jordanP	cirros image are very very convenient	09:43
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dmellado	roger that jordanP, I agree on that	09:44
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jordanP	switching to something else would really increase the requirements to run the gate jobs	09:44
dmellado	I'll try to bring some noise to have ipv6 tools inside cirros, wish me luck XD	09:45
dmellado	thanks jordanP	09:45
jordanP	dmellado, did you read https://bugs.launchpad.net/tempest/+bug/1366326/comments/5 comment ?	09:45
openstack	Launchpad bug 1366326 in CirrOS "ipv6 support" [Medium,Confirmed]	09:45
jordanP	maybe you can work with this person to see if we made some progress	09:45
jordanP	*he	09:45
dmellado	yes, just read it, that's why I wanted to know about the status	09:45
dmellado	I can check with him	09:45
jordanP	that won"t be an easy task but full ipv6 in cirros would benefit to a lot of people	09:46
jordanP	someone has something else to say ?	09:47
jamielennox	#action jamielennox to copy all his topics to next week	09:47
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jamielennox	anyone else?	09:48
jamielennox	alright - thanks for coming	09:48
jamielennox	#endmeeting	09:48
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openstack	Meeting ended Thu Aug 20 09:48:48 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)	09:48
openstack	Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_qa/2015/openstack_qa.2015-08-20-09.03.html	09:48
openstack	Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_qa/2015/openstack_qa.2015-08-20-09.03.txt	09:48
dmellado	thanks all ;)	09:48
openstack	Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_qa/2015/openstack_qa.2015-08-20-09.03.log.html	09:48
jordanP	jamielennox, yeah, usually we have more people on the alternative time	09:48
jordanP	(but it's late for people in europe)	09:49
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jamielennox	jordanP: yea, i figured it'd be the quieter, but it just so happened this was when i had things	09:49
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jordanP	yep	09:49
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dmellado	jordanP: then I guess thank you for making the effort of showing up here at a non-good time ;)	09:50
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jordanP	dmellado, I am in Paris, so it's noon here, perfect time :)	09:50
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dmellado	:)	09:51
ylobankov	In Saratov (Russia) it is noon as well :)	09:52
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Daisy	Hello, we are going to start i18n meeting here	13:02
FdotFr	Hello Daisy :)	13:02
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Daisy	#startmeeting OpenStack I18n	13:03
openstack	Meeting started Thu Aug 20 13:03:34 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Daisy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.	13:03
openstack	Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.	13:03
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n)"		13:03
openstack	The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n'	13:03
Daisy	Hi, sorry I was a few minutes late.	13:03
Daisy	Who is there for I18n meeting ?	13:03
FdotFr	\o_ :)	13:04
ianychoi	Hello :)	13:04
Daisy	Hi, nice to see you FdotFr and ianychoi	13:04
doug-fish	Hi - I am!	13:04
Daisy	Hi, Doug	13:04
Daisy	Great. Let's start while people will join in.	13:04
Daisy	I have several things to discuss tonight.	13:04
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Daisy	#topic Toyko summit sessions	13:05
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Daisy	It's time to plan I18n sessions in Toyko summit.	13:05
Daisy	I have the right to book meeting rooms for the team.	13:05
Daisy	Please think about which topics do we want to go through or interlock with other people .	13:06
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Daisy	Of course, I will book sessions for translators only.	13:06
ianychoi	okay :)	13:07
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Daisy	There are only 3 days in Tokyo summit , Tuesday, wed and Thursday.	13:07
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Daisy	I booked Thursday morning, from 9:00-11:00 for translatiors' workshop only.	13:08
Daisy	I also booked two time slots on Tuesday.	13:08
doug-fish	isn't it Friday too?	13:08
doug-fish	for the developers?	13:08
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Daisy	Maybe yes, doug-fish.	13:08
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Daisy	From the speadsheet I'm reading, it's only 3 days. Maybe Friday is for developers, but not included in this table.	13:09
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Daisy	I also booked two time slots on Tuesday, just after the keynote. We could discuss I18n related things with other teams and people.	13:09
doug-fish	I think its 3 days for the expo but the developers have Friday also	13:10
Daisy	If you have any proposals, please let me know.	13:10
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jftalta	hi all	13:10
jftalta	Sorry to be late	13:10
Daisy	I will write an email to ML about that.	13:10
Daisy	Hi, jftalta	13:10
Daisy	NO worries.	13:10
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Daisy	We were talking about I18n sessions in Tokyo summit just now. I will write to our ML about this.	13:11
ianychoi	How about Zanata tutorial or discussion session? I am suggesting it because Zanata is new..	13:11
Daisy	ianychoi: do you need Zanata tutorial ?	13:12
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ianychoi	Not so far. I have not been using Zanata too much.	13:12
Daisy	ianychoi: I think we need a interlock session with infrastructure team to discuss the improvement of our translation tools and platform.	13:12
doug-fish	Daisy: is there a Zanata tutorial available?	13:12
Daisy	I think there was a Zanata demo before.	13:13
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ianychoi	Okay, I got it.	13:13
Daisy	ianychoi: I will check if I could still find the demo link and I will share with you.	13:13
jftalta	Interlock session ??	13:13
ianychoi	Thanks, Daisy :)	13:13
Daisy	jftalta: interlock session means discussion... jftalta, I don't know if I used the wrong word.	13:14
doug-fish	I know many of the other project hold "operator feedback" sessions where they hear from people using their code how it is working ... perhaps a related session could be held for i18n to get feedback from distros or other groups using the translations?	13:14
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Daisy	doug-fish: It's a good idea. Do you think how many people might attend such session ?	13:14
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doug-fish	not sure - i18n has only recently gotten more visibility so maybe people are thinking about it much yet	13:15
Daisy	I like your words, doug-fish. :)	13:15
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doug-fish	It would be nice to find out if the distros are using translations, if any are causing trouble, do they change any of the translations outside of the community, etc	13:16
Daisy	Maybe a specific session for translation tool/platform and a general session for all i18n things. And a morning workshop booked for only translators.	13:16
Daisy	doug-fish: good idea.	13:17
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Daisy	doug-fish: let's talk more details about it off line.	13:18
doug-fish	just one last thought on what I was suggesting - if you call it a "feedback session" people may see it as a vehicle to come in and complain - that's a good thing because you'll get feedback from people who care	13:18
doug-fish	okay. I'll settle down. :-)	13:18
Daisy	doug-fish: it's all right. Thank you for the inputs.	13:18
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Daisy	I will have to move to next topic.	13:19
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Daisy	#topic Moving to Zanata	13:19
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Daisy	Liberty is nearly the end.	13:19
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Daisy	According to the release schedule, the feature freeze is Sep. 1-3, and the final release date is Oct. 15.	13:19
Daisy	So, teams, we will start our busy translation after Sep when feature is freezed.	13:20
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Daisy	There is no exactly string freeze date for Liberty, according to the release schedule.	13:20
ujuc	hi... late.;	13:20
ianychoi	hi	13:20
Daisy	But since we only work with Horizon, I will check Horizon team closely to see when they will "string freeze"	13:20
ianychoi	Okay	13:21
adiantum	hi, we'll start translation of Horizon after freeze	13:21
Daisy	According to my experience, it might be the late half of Sep.	13:21
doug-fish	Daisy: slightly related - are you aware of Horizon's push to have more UI developed as plugins instead of directly in Horion?	13:22
Daisy	I don't know, doug-fish	13:22
Daisy	Do you mean, a lot of new strings, or a lot of un-translatable strings appear ?	13:22
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doug-fish	Horizon has encourage some other teams like Manilla, Designate, and Magnum (off the top of my head) to implement their new UIs as plugins to Horizon, with code is a separate repository	13:23
Daisy	OK. Got your idea.	13:23
Daisy	That's a new situation.	13:23
doug-fish	which means (I assume) they will be additional Horizon-related projects that might need translation	13:23
doug-fish	yes	13:23
doug-fish	I don't know if any of them are really ready for translation	13:23
Daisy	Agree , doug-fish.	13:24
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doug-fish	How should those projects make you aware when they feel their code is ready for translation?	13:24
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jftalta	Does this mean a more heavy workload for the translation teams ?	13:25
Daisy	Redhat dev team connected with me last week, they want to translate Tuskar UI, which has not set up localized mechanis yet.	13:25
doug-fish	only to the extent that Horizon is bigger - but it does allow the workload to be more modulr	13:25
jftalta	Ok, I understand.	13:26
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doug-fish	Daisy: you should have them use Horizon's pseudo tool to make sure their strings can be translated	13:26
Daisy	I will check with Horizon team to understand the situations, and will update with team when I got it.	13:26
jftalta	Ok Daisy.	13:27
Daisy	Horizon's pseudo tool is to check whether there are strings not marked as "translatable string", right ?	13:27
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doug-fish	yep - it does this by creating fake translations for some language - if fake translations are shown then the code should be ready to handle real translations	13:28
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Daisy	It's a good test tool. I will let them know after I set up the connection with them.	13:29
doug-fish	http://docs.openstack.org/developer/horizon/contributing.html#running-the-pseudo-translation-tool	13:29
Daisy	ok. Thanks, doug-fish	13:29
doug-fish	yw	13:29
Daisy	About Liberty translation, it's highly possible that we will use Zanata	13:30
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Daisy	so team, help me to encourage your team to sign the CLA, register ID in Zanata, and get familiar with Zanata,	13:31
Daisy	Any suggestions about how to let our world wide translators know that we are going to Zanata ?	13:31
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adiantum	i have one	13:31
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Daisy	adiantum: 1 for what ?	13:32
adiantum	for statistics we need to name iterations like releases	13:32
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Daisy	adiantum: could we get releases from Zanata API ?	13:32
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FdotFr	Daisy we should block subscriptions on transifex first and block all the projects in it ;)	13:32
jftalta	Sorry but I have to leave you, unfortunately.	13:33
adiantum	actually we can get it in iteration names	13:33
Daisy	FdotFr: I don't k now if there are still communication ways to send messages to all organiztion translators in Transfiex.	13:33
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jftalta	Daisy, just a question before I leave : have you got some news about ATC Tokyo code ?...	13:33
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Daisy	jftalta: the namling list is sent to TC. They are voting. When it is passed, I will send the name list to support team.	13:34
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FdotFr	Daisy I don't know but you should to be able to disallow the access to the project on transifex	13:34
Daisy	Then we will get the ATC codes.	13:34
jftalta	Daisy : ok, thanks.	13:35
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Daisy	FdotFr: I remembered I could broadcast message before, but now I cannot find the user interface.	13:35
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FdotFr	Daisy lol :D The interface in transifex is changing all the time !	13:36
jftalta	Bye everybody. See you soon.	13:36
Daisy	FdotFr: agree.	13:36
Daisy	jftalta: bye.	13:36
adiantum	FdorFr: +1 !	13:36
ianychoi	bye :)	13:36
ujuc	:)	13:36
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Daisy	Next topic.	13:36
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Daisy	#topic IBM wants to contribute translations	13:37
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Daisy	doug-fish: are you still here ?	13:37
doug-fish	I am	13:37
Daisy	will you explain your plan to the team ?	13:37
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doug-fish	IBM has a set of translations that we'd like to share with the community	13:38
doug-fish	based on our Kilo translation of OpenStack	13:38
doug-fish	It's about 6 or 7 projects and 9 or 10 languages ... it doesn't include Horizon ....	13:38
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Daisy	projects:	13:39
Daisy	ceilometer glance heat nova ironic neutron cinder keystone swift	13:39
Daisy	for languages:	13:39
doug-fish	We'd like to use this to bring some of the other projects translations more up to date	13:39
Daisy	de es fr it ja ko_KR pt_BR ru zh_CN zh_TW	13:39
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doug-fish	I'm working on a tool to do this merge intelligently, so if a translation for a segment exists is doesn't get overwritten	13:40
adiantum	what is translated in this projects? logs?	13:40
FdotFr	is the translators used the works done into horizon ?	13:40
FdotFr	do they try to use the same terminlogy ?	13:40
doug-fish	I'm not 100% sure if the logs are translated	13:40
FdotFr	doug-fish that's not a pb for the logs because we were agreed for not translating them ,à	13:41
FdotFr	;)	13:41
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doug-fish	I'll actually have to make sure we don't translate them because I believe the capability is still there, right?	13:42
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ianychoi	Before it merges to different languages, can we review IBM translations and compare it?	13:42
Daisy	FdotFr: I think, we could have them to use the same terminlogy in the future. But for now, IBM's contribution will help us to increase a big number of the completion rate.	13:42
adiantum	doug-fish: that's good - because translations of logs could be bad thing... for operators who searching answer in search engines easy to find untranslated messages	13:42
doug-fish	adiantum: yes, understood	13:42
FdotFr	adiantum +1 :)	13:42
doug-fish	* wishes for message IDs	13:42
doug-fish	ianychoi: I'm not sure there is a way to conduct a review	13:43
doug-fish	Daisy: do you have any suggestion for that?	13:43
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FdotFr	doug-fish if there is not the same terminoly into the product and into Horizon you can have a lot of misunderstand	13:43
Daisy	ianychoi: As doug-fish said, he will merge IBM translations with existing translations, and make sure the existing translations won't be overwrited.	13:43
doug-fish	I'd expect the translations to be similar to what what donated in the past for some of these projects	13:44
doug-fish	they aren't nearly as active as Horizon!	13:44
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FdotFr	horizon is using error message from this project so i you have an error message which is reported with a different word it can difficult to understand	13:44
ianychoi	I am a little bit worried that IBM translation results would include unnecessary log translations..	13:44
adiantum	and i think additionally we need to be sure that we have same terminology in translations, it's important i think	13:45
doug-fish	FdotFr: The "good" news here is that Horizon and service messages aren't coordinated in english either. :-)	13:45
FdotFr	doug-fish that's a good news :)	13:45
FdotFr	doug-fish we are probably going to have understandable messages :D	13:45
doug-fish	Daisy: would the tooling allow these translations to be uploaded, and then rollled back to a previous state if they were found to be unacceptable in some way?	13:46
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Daisy	no, doug-fish	13:46
Daisy	We need to figure out a way to review IBM's translations.	13:46
Daisy	of course, we could review from the UI.	13:46
doug-fish	overall I'm certain the IBM translations are of good quality - but I can't say for sure how consistent they may be with existing terminology	13:46
Daisy	we could review from zanata UI.	13:46
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Daisy	But I think, the team may want to review the contributions in a whole, which might be much easier for the reviewers.	13:47
doug-fish	sure, I can understand that ....	13:47
Daisy	doug-fish: agree, I have confidence to the quality too.	13:47
doug-fish	can you offer any suggestion on the best mechanism to conduct the review?	13:47
Daisy	what I could think, is to use a shared repo, or google docs.	13:48
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ianychoi	Yes I really hope that IBM terminologies would be consistent with our translations.	13:48
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Daisy	ianychoi: I hope all of us could work together to improve the terminologies, and then make it as a consistency, whether who want to translate.	13:49
ianychoi	Daisy, I totally agree with you.	13:49
Daisy	ianychoi: I mean, both our team, and IBM translators, and maybe other professional translators from other companies.	13:50
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Daisy	ianychoi: but for now, you know, even in some existing translations, we didn't use a unique terminologies.	13:51
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ianychoi	One possible review I think is that it would be better if we see the diff: our PO files and IBM translation's PO files.	13:51
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ianychoi	Daisy, I also agree that some existing translations have not unique terminologies.	13:52
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Daisy	ianychoi: As doug-fish's original plan, he will only contribute the translations of strings which are not translated in community.	13:52
doug-fish	ianychoi: just to be clear - I have PO files available to me that have complete translations, but I am working on a tool to only update translations where the segment is missing	13:52
doug-fish	so a compare might be interesting, but please remember that none of those strings would actually get updated	13:53
doug-fish	unless I write a bug.	13:53
doug-fish	but that doesn't happen.	13:53
ianychoi	Daisy, I see. Thank you for your clarification.	13:53
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Daisy	doug-fish: I think we could use a repo. When you have done, create a repo in github, and share with the team.	13:53
Daisy	Package all the po files together, and share with the team.	13:54
doug-fish	Daisy: okay that sounds good. Thanks all!	13:54
Daisy	#topic open discussions	13:54
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Daisy	As to the naming list to get ATC codes for the summit, the naming list might be a little different from what I have proposed to TC.	13:56
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Daisy	Acoording to Therriy's comments, the people who could get ATC codes are active contributors in 6 month.	13:56
Daisy	The naming list I proposed are people who are active contributors since 2014.11	13:57
Daisy	So I will create a new naming list according to the data in Transifex.	13:58
Daisy	Any other things to discuss here ?	13:58
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adiantum	For stats purposes as i said before we need to have naming conventions	13:59
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Daisy	adiantum: let's discuss in openstack-i18n.	13:59
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adiantum	ok	13:59
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Daisy	OK. I will write an email to ML about the topics we discussed today.	13:59
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Daisy	Thank you for attending.	13:59
adiantum	thank you	14:00
Daisy	I will close the meeting.	14:00
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doug-fish	thanks all!	14:00
Daisy	#endmeeting	14:00
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ianychoi	thanks all:)	14:00
openstack	Meeting ended Thu Aug 20 14:00:16 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)	14:00
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ujuc	bye	14:00
johnthetubaguy	#startmeeting nova	14:00
ujuc	sorry late.	14:00
openstack	Meeting started Thu Aug 20 14:00:29 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.	14:00
openstack	Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.	14:00
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FdotFr	Daisy thank you Daisy :)	14:00
openstack	The meeting name has been set to 'nova'	14:00
alaski	o/	14:00
johnthetubaguy	hello all	14:00
andreykurilin	\o	14:00
rlrossit	o/	14:00
claudiub	o/	14:00
edleafe	o/	14:00
markus_z	o/	14:00
jroll	\o	14:00
n0ano	o/	14:00
mnestratov\|2	o/	14:00
johnthetubaguy	#topic Release Status	14:01
dansmith	o/ (for five minutes)	14:01
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atuvenie	o/	14:01
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jichen	o/	14:01
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sudipto	o/	14:01
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johnthetubaguy	#info liberty-3 is expected on September 1st	14:01
jlvillal	o/	14:01
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johnthetubaguy	thats the next big date	14:02
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johnthetubaguy	where we get string freeze, etc	14:02
bauzas	\o	14:02
johnthetubaguy	and its the final full feature freeze	14:02
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mriedem	o.	14:02
mriedem	o/ even	14:02
johnthetubaguy	I decided to skip the priority feature proposal freeze as such, letting the individual groups deal with that in there own way	14:02
johnthetubaguy	#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Liberty_Release_Schedule	14:02
johnthetubaguy	#topic Bugs	14:03
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johnthetubaguy	so lets talk bugs	14:03
johnthetubaguy	markus_z: any updates?	14:03
markus_z	one solved critical, high prio bugs seem to get more	14:03
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dims	o/	14:03
johnthetubaguy	clearly its a great time to start reviewing lots of bug fixes	14:03
markus_z	Many of the high prio things are pretty old, I will go through the list	14:03
johnthetubaguy	mriedem: anything on gate stats?	14:04
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mriedem	well,	14:04
johnthetubaguy	(and/or stable)	14:04
mriedem	the logstash job queue has been wonky for about a week,	14:04
mriedem	so we don't have great numbers on the current state of the gate - there is some new neutron thing blowing up stuff with a race updating quotas on the neutron side	14:04
mriedem	https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1485969	14:04
openstack	Launchpad bug 1485969 in neutron "test_dualnet_multi_prefix_dhcpv6_stateless failed due to "RuntimeError: Set changed size during iteration" in quota code" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Ihar Hrachyshka (ihar-hrachyshka)	14:04
mriedem	but since we don't have logstash indexes i don't know how prevalant that is	14:04
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johnthetubaguy	ah... so blind right now	14:05
mriedem	clarkb said there is a fix working it's way through and then we should be back to knowing the state of the world	14:05
mriedem	sort of yeah	14:05
johnthetubaguy	OK, thats good news I guess	14:05
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mriedem	for stable, kilo is ok i think, there are a few changes out for review	14:05
mriedem	juno has some issues with devstack and capped/uncapped dep conflicts which tonyb was pursuing a fix for	14:06
mriedem	i'm not sure if that's wedging all of juno though, i haven't dug in that far	14:06
johnthetubaguy	mriedem: is it worth us talking about stable releases at all?	14:06
mriedem	probably not	14:06
mriedem	there isn't concensus there yet	14:06
johnthetubaguy	yeah, I guess, join in the fun on the ML if you are interested	14:06
johnthetubaguy	cools, any more on that stuff?	14:06
mriedem	nope	14:06
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johnthetubaguy	thanks mriedem and markus_z	14:06
johnthetubaguy	#topic Reminders	14:07
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johnthetubaguy	#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-priorities-tracking	14:07
johnthetubaguy	lets keep revieweing the above list	14:07
johnthetubaguy	and doing post summit actions	14:07
johnthetubaguy	#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/YVR-nova-liberty-summit-action-items	14:07
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johnthetubaguy	#topic Open Discussion	14:07
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mriedem	we need more trivial bugs in the priorities etherpad :)	14:07
johnthetubaguy	so I don't see any tuck reviews, to straight to opne	14:07
dims	mriedem: ack will do one today	14:08
johnthetubaguy	mriedem: thats true, dims did you find people to help you with that?	14:08
bauzas	well, we had some discussion on a review	14:08
bauzas	but it's no longer stuck I guess	14:08
johnthetubaguy	#help need people to help dims add trival bugs into https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-nova-priorities-tracking	14:08
mriedem	there are 2 trivial bugs in the list atm	14:08
bauzas	mriedem: I guess some of us will have more time to chase bugs post-FF :)	14:08
mriedem	subteam change lists are also pretty short	14:08
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dims	johnthetubaguy: thanks	14:08
mriedem	bauzas: we were post FF a couple of weeks ago	14:08
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johnthetubaguy	yeah, they are all starting to run try, although thats good really	14:09
dims	johnthetubaguy: when do we yank ec2 stuff?	14:09
johnthetubaguy	mriedem: well that was non-priority feature freeze, but yeah	14:09
bauzas	mriedem: post-FF for non-prio stuff but	14:09
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johnthetubaguy	dims: I think we were still waiting for ops feedback, I think cern promised to supply some after there upgrade	14:09
dims	k thanks	14:10
mriedem	i have 2 things on open discussion	14:10
johnthetubaguy	dims: appreciate people checking though, don't want to forget that	14:10
johnthetubaguy	mriedem: yup	14:10
johnthetubaguy	mriedem: so 500 response stuff?	14:10
mriedem	first is about when a microversoin is needed, http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-August/072448.html	14:10
mriedem	yeah	14:10
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johnthetubaguy	its a good point	14:11
mriedem	there are 2 changes, both handle turning a 500 into a 400+ error	14:11
mriedem	which used to be totally fine as a bug fix in v2 land	14:11
johnthetubaguy	I replied this morning, on a middle ground	14:11
mriedem	i haven't caught up on the ML yet	14:11
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mriedem	but my questions are in the meeting agenda	14:11
johnthetubaguy	mriedem: what about a version bump without a spec, just to advertise the change?	14:11
mriedem	but how is the bug fixed in v2 api?	14:11
mriedem	or is it not?	14:11
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johnthetubaguy	but we backport the change to all previous versions too	14:11
johnthetubaguy	I missed that bit	14:11
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mriedem	i guess v2 gets the same error code that v2.1 gets	14:12
johnthetubaguy	so the original thinking was, new error code, best let people know via an API bump	14:12
mriedem	but why is that?	14:12
mriedem	i believe tempest handles anything over 400 as an error	14:12
johnthetubaguy	mriedem: just so they know its something they can now expect	14:12
mriedem	i'd expect most clients to do similar	14:12
johnthetubaguy	mriedem: but not all clients do that, I think thats the thinking	14:12
mriedem	if a client is handling each 400+ one by one, they are nuts	14:13
johnthetubaguy	its more because we can, rather than anything else	14:13
mriedem	just because we can't doesn't mean we should	14:13
jichen	mriedem: Alex added some comments on http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-August/072520.html	14:13
johnthetubaguy	mriedem: some can be retried in a different way though	14:13
johnthetubaguy	not that we get that right	14:13
mriedem	sure, but	14:13
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alaski	I would think that a 500 error to something else wouldn't require a bump	14:13
jichen	+1	14:13
mriedem	i'd think that most clients, like our actual client libs, would have some central error handling for all API responses	14:13
mriedem	not just some specific one about creating volumes	14:14
mriedem	it would be madness to try and sync those up	14:14
johnthetubaguy	alaski: I think we originally we said, yes, as long as its an existing error code for that API call	14:14
johnthetubaguy	so I think you are right	14:14
mriedem	idk, i'm definitely not sold on that - and if that's the reasoning i think it needs to be documented in the devref about when to add a microversion in those cases	14:14
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johnthetubaguy	my preference is, advertise the fix in an API bump, but fix the return code in all API versions	14:15
mriedem	in one of these patches jichen could have used an existing 400 but it's overquote and the api-wg docs say to treat those as 403, which would be new in that extension	14:15
mriedem	and according ot our docs that's yet another microversion	14:15
johnthetubaguy	yeah, I am saying lets go for a middle ground, fix the error code for all API versions, do a bump just to advertise the fix	14:15
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johnthetubaguy	(advertise the fix, incase someone wants to rely on that error code to do something fancy)	14:16
mriedem	so the other question is, how are microversion bug fixes like this in v2.1 in liberty backported to kilo?	14:16
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alaski	johnthetubaguy: I'm not sure I see the value in the bump if the error changes on previous versions	14:16
mriedem	since we can't just go from 2.3 in kilo to 2.13	14:16
johnthetubaguy	mriedem: honestly, thats a good question, don't think we have an answer for backports	14:16
mriedem	i suggested 2.3.1	14:17
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mriedem	in kilo	14:17
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johnthetubaguy	mriedem: hmm, I quite like that actually	14:17
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mriedem	i do'nt think jichen actually plans on backporting these, but it is something we used to do for 500->400 fixes	14:17
jaypipes	hey guys, sorry I'm late :(	14:17
mriedem	just in time	14:17
johnthetubaguy	alaski: its minimal value, its just signalling to users because we can, really	14:17
mriedem	since i'd also like jaypipes' input	14:17
jichen	mriedem: I can do	14:17
alaski	mriedem: we would need to forward port that as well right?	14:18
johnthetubaguy	+1	14:18
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jaypipes	mriedem: so I've been thinking on that exact thing since reading alex_xu's response this morning.	14:18
johnthetubaguy	+1 to jaypipes input on this	14:18
mriedem	sdague said he wouldn't make the meeting today but he should also have input here	14:18
alaski	mriedem: so 2.3.1 doesn't stop working	14:18
mriedem	alaski: forward port the 2.3.1 to liberty?	14:18
mriedem	so 3 changes for one bug fix?	14:18
mriedem	ew	14:18
alaski	yeah	14:18
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mriedem	i guess you'd have 2.13 for liberty, 2.3.1 in liberty for backport to kilo	14:19
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mriedem	but basically the same code	14:19
alaski	was this really not discussed on the original specs?	14:19
johnthetubaguy	ouch, that fails doesn't it	14:19
* alex_xu forget the meeting		14:19
rlrossit	would it be possible to just make a 2.3.1 in liberty, or do we actually need the 2.13 bump?	14:19
mriedem	idk	14:19
mriedem	aparently we haven't thought through backports	14:20
johnthetubaguy	alaski: we kinda skipped the "when to bump" thing, and I guess we accidentally skipped backports in the process :(	14:20
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alex_xu	if we treat 500 as contract, we needn't backport	14:20
bauzas	I thought the .z stuff was -1'd nope ?	14:20
mriedem	we could table the backport discussion so we don't bikeshed here	14:20
alaski	is there any reason we can't just backport the same version?	14:20
mriedem	i'm mostly interested in not overprocessing a stupid simple fix to handle a 500	14:20
jaypipes	alex_xu: the 500 stuff is never contractual, though. it's always considered a bug (that does not need a microversion bump) when something returns a 500.	14:20
johnthetubaguy	alaski: we assume we have all versions in between right now	14:20
alaski	johnthetubaguy: can we relax that assumption?	14:21
johnthetubaguy	jaypipes: +1 on the 500 error never being a contract	14:21
mriedem	jaypipes: "it's always considered a bug (that does not need a microversion bump) when something returns a 500." is not what our devref says	14:21
jaypipes	alex_xu: what does need a microvesion is when we change something from 4XX to some other 4XX	14:21
johnthetubaguy	alaski: not sure we can given how we report the min/max versions of the API	14:21
jaypipes	mriedem: the API WG devref or the Nova one?	14:21
mriedem	nova	14:21
mriedem	http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/nova/tree/doc/source/api_microversion_dev.rst#n68	14:21
mriedem	http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/nova/tree/doc/source/api_microversion_dev.rst#n63 also applies here	14:22
alex_xu	jaypipes: but user may, when user saw the 500, user may based on the response to detech what kind of error	14:22
johnthetubaguy	mriedem: so for backports, maybe all microversion bumps are "features", so there should never by any backports, but that means relaxing some of the rules, I guess	14:22
mriedem	johnthetubaguy: but that basically means you can't ever fix api bugs on stable	14:23
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johnthetubaguy	mriedem: well can't fix any bugs that change the API version, we can backport the others	14:23
mriedem	http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/has-the-whole-world-gone-crazy.jpg	14:23
jaypipes	alex_xu: client code should never be expecting a 500 error.	14:23
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johnthetubaguy	jaypipes: +1	14:23
alex_xu	jaypipes: yea, I agree, but when you access an bug openstack deployement, he may want to bypass that	14:24
johnthetubaguy	so if we never do a microversion bump for 500->4xx do we get closer to what we need? thats the stuff thats worth backporting (often)	14:24
jaypipes	mriedem: that is correct. you cannot backport API-changing bug fixes. period. but a 500 -> 403 is not an API-changing bug fix (it's considered correcting wrong behaviour)	14:24
mriedem	jaypipes: then our docs need to be updated	14:24
mriedem	i can push that change	14:24
jaypipes	yes, they do.	14:24
mriedem	specifically http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/nova/tree/doc/source/api_microversion_dev.rst#n68	14:24
jaypipes	mriedem: I will review accordingly	14:24
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mriedem	at least needs to say * except for 500+ -> 400+	14:25
jaypipes	++	14:25
mriedem	now the other question is http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/nova/tree/doc/source/api_microversion_dev.rst#n63	14:25
alex_xu	even we backport...we still can't ensure all the deployement update to that fix...	14:25
mriedem	because in this one overquota case, the api is expecting 400 and 404 today, but we need to add 403 to that list	14:25
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mriedem	alex_xu: johnthetubaguy: i think we should table the backport thing for now,	14:26
mriedem	it's not something someone wants to do today	14:26
johnthetubaguy	mriedem: yeah, sorry, I got carried away there	14:26
edleafe	mriedem: what about 500+ -> anything else?	14:26
* dansmith agrees with jaypipes' statement on backports		14:26
jaypipes	mriedem: you may want to add some text to the effect of "under no circumstances should the API microversion ever 'fork' to use a tertiary ".Z" number. this means under no circumstances should a patch that cotnains a microversion bump be backported to a stable branch."	14:26
edleafe	mriedem: i.e., it should have worked, but the bug threw a 500	14:26
johnthetubaguy	edleafe: true, success is also a valid outome	14:26
dansmith	jaypipes: +1	14:26
edleafe	jaypipes: +1	14:27
mriedem	edleafe: i'm not following,	14:27
mriedem	there are like 5 use cases going here right now	14:27
mriedem	and then dansmith showed up :)	14:27
jaypipes	mriedem: but worded in Mortimer's phrasing, if you wish...	14:27
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edleafe	well, there's the problem	14:27
mriedem	that asshole pissed all over the wood floors last night, so f him	14:27
jaypipes	lol	14:27
dansmith	hah	14:28
mriedem	jaypipes: so the .Z note would be a separate patch	14:28
mriedem	when we cover backport rules	14:28
mriedem	anyway, let's start small with the 500->existing 400 case	14:28
mriedem	i still don't like http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/nova/tree/doc/source/api_microversion_dev.rst#n63	14:28
mriedem	if you have 400,404 but need to add 403	14:29
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edleafe	mriedem: my point is that a 500 is always a bug. Fixing the bug may result in a 200 being returned, and that's OK	14:29
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mriedem	edleafe: yes	14:29
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johnthetubaguy	edleafe: +1 on that	14:29
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mriedem	we shoudln't require a new versoin of nova just to make shit not suck	14:29
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edleafe	mriedem: +1	14:29
johnthetubaguy	agreed	14:29
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edleafe	mriedem: put that in devref, please	14:29
mriedem	i'm glad we all agree on sanity	14:30
mriedem	to some degree	14:30
johnthetubaguy	so I think we just created a whole heap of stuff that can be backported	14:30
mriedem	anyway, we can move on , i can harass jaypipes in -nova later	14:30
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mriedem	i still have gripe #2	14:30
alaski	mriedem: on new error codes my opinion is that adding a new one shouldn't need a bump, but changing one should. so 404->403 would, but not just adding 403 for a new thing	14:30
johnthetubaguy	mriedem: the extra error codes requiring a bump?	14:30
mriedem	alaski: +1 from me on that	14:31
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mriedem	johnthetubaguy: no, lxc ci	14:31
johnthetubaguy	mriedem: ah, right, good point	14:31
mriedem	lxc ci, wtf	14:31
johnthetubaguy	yeah, I replied to that, mostly with oops we didn't follow through with that	14:31
dansmith	no gd?	14:31
mriedem	gd lxc ci wtf	14:32
jaypipes	lol	14:32
dansmith	ikr?	14:32
mriedem	so the good news is we should be able to run it on community infra, no third party ci	14:32
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mriedem	i don't know if devstack is setup for lxc right now though	14:32
mriedem	but if it does, it seems pretty straight-forward to start a job that runs a devstack in lxc config mode	14:32
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mriedem	and then we can wittle down the tests that won't work	14:33
johnthetubaguy	mriedem: +1 it totally seems worth adding, and well, needed	14:33
mriedem	having said that,	14:33
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mriedem	i've never used lxc	14:33
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johnthetubaguy	so I have reached out to the folks who claimed they wanted to help with this	14:33
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mriedem	do we have names? s1rp, apmelton ?	14:33
johnthetubaguy	in the hope they could help with the heavy lifting on that	14:33
johnthetubaguy	yeah, apmelton	14:33
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alaski	I just forwarded the thread to apmelton	14:33
mriedem	if someone could just say, this is what yo uneed in localrc for devstack,	14:34
mriedem	then i think i can help with the project-config job stuff	14:34
dims	mriedem: needs some additional stuff installed i think (on the base image)	14:34
mriedem	dims: yeah maybe	14:34
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johnthetubaguy	#help can folks help mriedem with getting devstack and LXC working nicely	14:34
mriedem	that's why i'm wondering if devstack is up to snuff already	14:34
edleafe	not to confuse things more, but there's also LXD: http://www.ubuntu.com/cloud/tools/lxd	14:35
mriedem	we don't support lxd do we?	14:35
johnthetubaguy	edleafe: not sure we support that yet though	14:35
mriedem	yeah, f it	14:35
johnthetubaguy	its out of tree, possibly	14:35
mriedem	oh yeah i think it is	14:35
johnthetubaguy	but yeah, ignore that for now	14:35
edleafe	ok, just thought it might handle some of the lifting for ci	14:35
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mriedem	https://github.com/lxc/nova-compute-lxd	14:35
mriedem	bam	14:35
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johnthetubaguy	yeah	14:35
mriedem	i remember finding that at YVR	14:35
apmelton	o/	14:35
johnthetubaguy	apmelton: so wondering if you can help with LCX ci?	14:36
mriedem	apmelton: do you know if devstack works with lxc today, or needs work?	14:36
apmelton	mriedem: it has issues	14:36
mriedem	apmelton: fixable issues?	14:36
apmelton	mriedem: the biggest issue is the driver is leaking ndb devices all over the place	14:36
mriedem	or like, you need to build packages from source that aren't in 14.04 issues?	14:37
mriedem	apmelton: but that's a bug in the driver right?	14:37
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mriedem	not getting devstack setup to just run it	14:37
apmelton	mriedem: it seems so	14:37
mriedem	i just want a job that runs the damn thing, then we iterate on fixing bugs	14:37
apmelton	libvirt-lxc itself in 14.04 appeared to work just fine	14:37
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mriedem	right now we're blind	14:37
apmelton	I totally agree	14:37
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mriedem	apmelton: can you get me the localrc for devstack + lxc later?	14:38
apmelton	sure	14:38
mriedem	sweet	14:38
johnthetubaguy	sweet	14:38
mriedem	ok, i'm done with items	14:38
johnthetubaguy	they were good items	14:38
johnthetubaguy	thanks for those	14:38
mriedem	\o/	14:38
johnthetubaguy	any more for any more?	14:38
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johnthetubaguy	cool, so lets get 20 mins back, for some extra reviewing time :)	14:39
johnthetubaguy	thanks all	14:39
johnthetubaguy	#endmeeting	14:39
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gordc	#startmeeting ceilometer	15:00
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openstack	Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.	15:00
jasonamyers	o/	15:00
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ityaptin	hi!	15:00
openstack	The meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer'	15:00
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sileht	o/	15:01
idegtiarov_	o/	15:01
gordc	whatup	15:01
cdent	o/	15:01
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nadya	o/	15:02
gordc	let's get started.	15:02
gordc	#topic recurring: roadmap items (new/old/blockers) https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ceilometer/RoadMap	15:02
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gordc	under 2 weeks left before we cap liberty off	15:03
gordc	any blockers out there?	15:03
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sileht	my integration test is still blocked by the keystonemiddleware/oslo.config issue	15:03
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gordc	sileht: :( is it just because of slow reviews or because keystone team has issues with it?	15:04
sileht	I hope keystonemiddleware merged my fixes otherwise we have to merge the cdent workaround	15:04
cdent	I thought we did merge that?	15:04
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idegtiarov_	didn't we?	15:05
sileht	gordc, because keystone guys don't really care, 'it works for most projects and a workaround exists'	15:05
sileht	cdent, the global CONF stuffs crap ?	15:05
gordc	sileht: kk. can you send me patches.	15:05
cdent	yeah my fix is merged: aodh devstack puts the config in the paste file	15:05
cdent	oh not _that_ workaround	15:05
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cdent	I just made it work the way the keystone guys want it to	15:06
gordc	sileht: maybe it's best to start with workaround and play with proper fix after?	15:06
sileht	oh god configuration in paste file, sniff ....	15:06
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cdent	https://github.com/openstack/aodh/blob/master/devstack/plugin.sh#L194	15:06
ildikov	sileht: is that fix a big change in keystonemiddleware?	15:06
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sileht	ildikov, not really	15:06
sileht	ildikov, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/208965/	15:07
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gordc	cdent: your workaround is in aodh correct?	15:08
sileht	cdent, thx, I guess I can retry to test the integration job with that	15:08
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gordc	i'm leaning more to just working with workaround for now, just so we aren't completely blocked.	15:09
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ildikov	sileht: hmm, if there isn't anything else there besides the docco stuff, we still should keep some pressure on keystone folks to get this merged	15:09
gordc	sileht: i can follow up with keystone team	15:09
ildikov	sileht: not a big one indeed	15:09
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sileht	ildikov, they are a thread on the ML	15:09
ildikov	sileht: cool, I'll check, I'm always behind with the list	15:10
sileht	all middlewares was impacted by the same issues, all have been fixed except the keystonemiddleware one	15:10
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gordc	#action gordc will follow up with keystone team regarding middleware.	15:10
ildikov	no comment	15:10
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gordc	sileht: can the workaround and keystonemiddleware patch coexist?	15:11
sileht	gordc, yes	15:11
sileht	gordc, the workaround is just a deprecated way to configure the middleware	15:12
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gordc	sileht: cool. yeah maybe just try with workaroudn first? we won't get keystonemiddlware release until next week earliest.	15:12
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ildikov	gordc: wdo we have an aodh release date target?	15:12
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gordc	ildikov: sorry i was googling 'wdo' no i realise it was just 'do'	15:13
gordc	ildikov: i think we can release once we get the integration tests working.	15:13
ildikov	gordc: sorry typing fast is not my skill :)	15:14
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gordc	ildikov: i think the previous conditions were we need equivalent functionality and testing before release.	15:14
ildikov	gordc: agreed on that one	15:15
ildikov	gordc: can this middleware fix and the remaining event-alarm patches fit into that timeframe also?	15:15
sileht	gordc, sure I was not aware of the merge workaround	15:15
gordc	sileht: cool cool.	15:15
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gordc	ildikov: i'd rather get a release first... but if the middleware fix and event-alarm patches get in before testing is complete, that's cool.	15:16
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ildikov	gordc: ok, I will switch into review mode then	15:17
ildikov	gordc: thanks	15:17
gordc	cool, so hopefully we can get first aodh release sometime soon.	15:18
gordc	anyone else with liberty items?	15:18
gordc	nadya: do you think we can start gating on postgres functional tests?	15:18
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pradk	gordc, we have the last few patches for declarative notification.. if we can get it approved soon so we can get it in before gate craps out	15:19
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pradk	https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/ceilometer+branch:master+topic:bp/declarative-notifications,n,z	15:19
gordc	pradk: cool. will look.	15:19
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nadya	gordc: yep, experimental job is ok	15:19
nadya	gordc: should I make it voting?	15:20
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gordc	nadya: i think so, assuming there hasn't been any random errors with the check.	15:20
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gordc	nadya: don't want to block our gate but i'd still like to make sure we test everything	15:21
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nadya	gordc: ok, I will run it several times and will make it voting today-tomorrow	15:21
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gordc	nadya: cool cool.	15:22
ildikov	nadya: cool, just in time before Liberty	15:22
ildikov	nadya: thanks for taking care of this	15:22
gordc	nadya: yep, thanks very much.	15:22
gordc	any other items?	15:23
gordc	r-mibu: everything ok with event-alarms?	15:23
nadya	it's my job (c) :D	15:23
cdent	I'm still trying to get the grenade-related stuff moving, but with linuxcon on this week it's stalled	15:23
r-mibu	gordc, one questionregarding cache	15:23
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gordc	cdent: np. i assume the grenade plugin path is still not fully fleshed out yet?	15:25
gordc	r-mibu: sure.	15:25
r-mibu	gordc, I'm trying to create the last patch for event alarm which is for caching event alarm definitions	15:26
cdent	seems so, yeah; it's evolving	15:26
r-mibu	gordc, which is the best libraly for python caching?	15:26
r-mibu	gordc, oslo_cache or dogpile directly?	15:26
gordc	r-mibu: i'm not exactly sure what is in oslo_cache. dogpile.cache appeared useful last i looked?	15:27
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gordc	r-mibu: is there a way to do in-memory cache?	15:27
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r-mibu	gordc, https://pypi.python.org/pypi/oslo.cache	15:28
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r-mibu	gordc, there is a dict backend, i think it can cache data in-memory...	15:29
gordc	r-mibu: oh, it's a wrapper. i guess we should try oslo.cache to see if it helps.	15:29
gordc	r-mibu: i don't have a suggestion right now. not sure if anyone else has opinion? but i'll comment on your patch.	15:30
gordc	r-mibu: also, the monasca team was interested in the event-alarms so they may email you about what your plans.	15:31
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ildikov	r-mibu: I talked about Doctor to them on Tuesday	15:31
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r-mibu	gordc, ok	15:32
ildikov	r-mibu: I will send some material to them about the project, I will cc you	15:32
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r-mibu	gordc, ildikov, nice!	15:32
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gordc	cool anything else regarding Liberty features/bugs?	15:33
gordc	#topic recurring: ceilometerclient release?	15:34
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gordc	nothing happened here, so next!	15:34
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gordc	#topic recurring: Gnocchi status	15:34
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gordc	anything of importance?	15:34
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cdent	jd__ and I fought with some bugs on friday but he was finally able to find them	15:35
cdent	issues with orphaned metrics	15:35
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cdent	this has led to a lot of race condition related fixes	15:35
cdent	influxdb is ready to merge	15:35
gordc	fun	15:35
gordc	cdent: that's great news	15:36
cdent	(still no devstack integration though)	15:36
nadya	crying	15:36
gordc	i wasn't really expecting that.	15:36
gordc	is there a reason we haven't +A influx driver?	15:37
cdent	I think it's just a case of minor changes killing prior +2s	15:37
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cdent	I was gonna just approve it based on the prior history but then felt guilty	15:38
gordc	cdent: i don't have powers so i'll let someone else do that.	15:38
nadya	what we are waiting for to merge it?	15:38
cdent	nothing now	15:39
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idegtiarov_	we are waiting for brave gnocchi core	15:39
cdent	it's done	15:39
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idegtiarov_	hurray	15:40
nadya	cdent: Chris, now we have time for taking care about influx driver	15:40
gordc	cool stuff	15:40
gordc	thanks for the effort folks	15:40
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gordc	#topic plan for performance testing (nadya/idegtiarov) https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/perfomance_test_plan	15:41
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idegtiarov_	folks please take a look at the etherpad now we have some thoughts from Chris	15:42
nadya	we have decided to do some benchmarking on a big lab and it would be awesome if you share with us your ideas	15:43
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* gordc will read and comment.		15:44
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nadya	what we want to get is smth like this https://www.mirantis.com/blog/openstack-ceilometer-cloud-performance-hardware-requirements/ but for Liberty	15:45
idegtiarov_	gordc, thanks	15:45
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gordc	i take it it's only related to storage?	15:47
gordc	re: performacne testing	15:47
gordc	i'll ask questions in etherpad. :)	15:48
gordc	#topic openstack user survey question	15:48
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gordc	we have the opportunity to ask users one multiple choice question.	15:49
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idegtiarov_	gordc, sure let move discussion there	15:49
gordc	this is just to get an idea if anyone has a question they've always been wondering about.	15:49
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gordc	maybe a question regarding users' impression of gnocchi.	15:50
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gordc	or what roadmap features they feel is most important	15:50
gordc	it's a single question, but if anyone has any suggstion feel free to chat about it now (or send me an email)	15:51
gordc	i need to submit a question by next the 25th.	15:51
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cdent	how about something radical like: would you prefer to see ceilometer fixed or replaced?	15:52
gordc	that's really all i had.	15:52
gordc	cdent: lol	15:53
gordc	cdent: do you need a survey to know what the answer is?	15:53
nadya	what is your case? for what do you use Ceilo	15:53
cdent	gordc: no but I need supporting data	15:53
gordc	nadya: good question regarding use case	15:53
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cdent	with a multiple choice answer, yes? what would the choices be?	15:54
gordc	... sorry, distracted. there's a guy driving wrong way down street.	15:54
ildikov	gordc: nadya: or what you use/would use Ceilometer for?	15:54
nadya	about use-cases: it's interesting how customers see it, no options :)	15:54
idegtiarov_	nadya good question I would finish it like: what is your case? for what do you use or would like to Ceilo	15:55
idegtiarov_	*to use Ceilo	15:55
gordc	billing data, service healthcheck, resource monitoring,?	15:55
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ildikov	there was a concernc from gordc and cdent that people are not willing to write a lot	15:55
cdent	it's not a free form answer, only multiple choice	15:56
gordc	nadya: idegtiarov_: it's better to give them options to choose from (and maybe an 'other' field)	15:56
ildikov	which is something that worth to consider also regarding how to form the question	15:56
nadya	aha, I see...	15:56
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gordc	nadya: it can be free form. but no one answers free form. (citation: experience)	15:56
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nadya	now I have a task to describe all possible monitoring-related use cases, so I can prepere some options	15:57
idegtiarov_	ildikov, agreed people do not like to write :D	15:57
gordc	nadya: that'd be good.	15:57
ildikov	if we want use cases then we can add high level options like 'monitoring', 'resource usage trends', 'billing support', 'other: please describe' and they can check what's inetersting	15:57
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nadya	gordc: will do	15:57
ildikov	is the use-case finally that we would like to go with then?	15:58
nadya	ildikov: yep, we need options with descriptions (as detailed as possible)	15:58
gordc	ildikov: i think it's a good question. but i'm open to any.	15:58
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idegtiarov_	it is a good question as for me	15:58
gordc	25th is submission date so please let me know any other ideas.	15:59
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ildikov	do we know what we are waiting from the answers?	15:59
idegtiarov_	with options of course	15:59
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gordc	we'll get results by summit	15:59
gordc	so it's something we can talk about then.	15:59
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ildikov	I mean what would be our take away if people vote on use cases	15:59
gordc	we direct resources as appropriately.	16:00
gordc	times up	16:00
ildikov	would that mean new features, fix issues, help in focusing on Gnocchi, etc.?	16:00
gordc	let's continue at ceilometer channel.	16:00
idegtiarov_	buy	16:00
gordc	#endmeeting	16:00
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daneyon_	#startmeeting container-networking	18:00
openstack	Meeting started Thu Aug 20 18:00:39 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is daneyon_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.	18:00
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openstack	Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.	18:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: container-networking)"		18:00
openstack	The meeting name has been set to 'container_networking'	18:00
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daneyon_	#topic roll call	18:00
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adrian_otto	Adrian Otto	18:01
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daneyon_	o/	18:01
eghobo	o/	18:01
Tango	Ton Ngo	18:01
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tfukushima	o/	18:01
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s3wong	Stephen Wong	18:02
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apuimedo	o/	18:02
suro-patz	Surojit Pathak o/	18:02
hongbin	oé	18:02
hongbin	o/	18:02
daneyon_	I would like to wait a minute for others to join	18:02
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irenab	hi	18:03
apuimedo	very well	18:03
daneyon_	Thank you eghobo adrian_otto Tango tfukushima s3wong apuimedo suro-patz hongbin irenab for attending the meeting	18:03
daneyon_	#topic Networking Spec Update	18:04
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daneyon_	#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/204686/	18:04
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daneyon_	Looks like the spec is in a good state	18:04
daneyon_	adrian_otto is going to review. If all goes well, he will merge the spec.	18:05
daneyon_	yay	18:05
daneyon_	Unless their are any questions about the spec, I would like to move to the next topic.	18:05
adrian_otto	I'm ready to merge this. Should I +A the spec now?	18:05
daneyon_	adrian_otto sounds good	18:05
daneyon_	I have organized the spec work items into the following blueprints:	18:06
eghobo	adrian_otto: +1	18:06
daneyon_	The magnum client blueprint:	18:06
daneyon_	#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/extend-client-network-attributes	18:06
daneyon_	The magnum conductor blueprint:	18:06
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daneyon_	#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/conductor-template-net-update	18:06
daneyon_	The api blueprint:	18:06
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daneyon_	#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/extend-api-network-attributes	18:06
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daneyon_	The heat templates blueprint:	18:06
adrian_otto	spec is now approved for merge	18:06
daneyon_	#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/heat-network-refactor	18:06
daneyon_	The baymodel objects blueprint:	18:06
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daneyon_	#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/magnum/+spec/extend-baymodel-net-attributes	18:06
daneyon_	thank you adrian_otto	18:07
daneyon_	I have posted a few WIP patches. They are far from complete, but I’m making progress.	18:07
daneyon_	Feel free to review and provide feedback, with the understanding the patches are a WIP.	18:07
daneyon_	heat templates:	18:07
daneyon_	#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/214762/	18:07
daneyon_	client:	18:07
daneyon_	#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/215260/	18:07
daneyon_	other combined blueprints:	18:07
daneyon_	#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/214909/	18:07
daneyon_	i just wanted to share this info with the team. feel free to add any feedback in the bp/review	18:08
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daneyon_	unless their are any questions, I would like to proceed to the Kuryr Integration Brainstorming topic.	18:09
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daneyon_	i'll pause for a minute	18:09
Tango	If others would like to help with the patches, how do they proceed?	18:09
daneyon_	Tango I have yet to touch the label/labels aspect of the spec	18:10
daneyon_	remember, label/labels will be used for passing driver-specific params to the network-driver	18:11
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daneyon_	and we would like to implement label/labels in way that the larger magnum system can take advantage of labels for other areas.	18:11
Tango	I mean just general help not specific to label	18:12
hongbin	daneyon_: It looks there is no BPs for tracking neutron/libnetwork/flannel integration. Do you have any plan for that?	18:12
daneyon_	hongbin kuryr integration will be a follow-on bp	18:12
hongbin	K	18:13
daneyon_	Tago I would cherry pick the patches, create a new topic branch that depends on the WIP patches	18:14
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daneyon_	Tango is that acceptable to you?	18:14
Tango	daneyon_: sure, I will follow up offline	18:14
daneyon_	Tango OK	18:15
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daneyon_	one moment please	18:15
daneyon_	i'm back	18:15
daneyon_	next topic	18:16
daneyon_	#topic Kuryr Integration Brainstorming	18:16
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daneyon_	#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/magnum-kuryr	18:16
daneyon_	can everyone please open the etherpad	18:16
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daneyon_	i would like to take 10 minutes for everyone to review and add to the etherpad	18:16
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daneyon_	any questions/comments/concerns please include in the etherpad instead of irc	18:17
apuimedo	very well	18:17
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daneyon_	if you have added anything to the etherpad, please make sure to include your irc handle in the Contributors section	18:17
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apuimedo	who is the dark blue?	18:18
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daneyon_	apuimedo that's me.. it should show in the contributors section.	18:25
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apuimedo	ah, cool	18:25
apuimedo	I picked orange :-)	18:26
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daneyon_	eghobo adrian_otto Tango tfukushima s3wong apuimedo suro-patz hongbin irenab et al lets close out the etherpad brainstorming at UTC 18:35	18:32
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apuimedo	ok	18:32
irenab	daneyon_, apuimedo : is it going to be converted into working items for kuryr/magnum?	18:33
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daneyon_	irenab eventually. right now i simply want our team's to have free form discussion, brainstorming, etc..	18:35
daneyon_	irenab I could see the work items develop in the near future though	18:36
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daneyon_	irenab do you find that acceptable?	18:36
daneyon_	eghobo adrian_otto Tango tfukushima s3wong apuimedo suro-patz hongbin irenab let's bring the discussion back to irc	18:36
irenab	daneyon_: yes. I am just new to such kind of discussion :-)	18:37
apuimedo	ok, sorry about that :P	18:37
apuimedo	I was continueing :P	18:37
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banix	I think the main discussion has to happen (and has partially happened) in Neutron. The main work items are to be executed there.	18:37
daneyon_	I would like everyone to keep an eye on the etherpad over the next week and add to it as you see fit	18:37
apuimedo	yamamoto: welcome takashi	18:37
apuimedo	daneyon_: very good idea. I'll try to review it twice a day	18:38
daneyon_	#action everyone to continue contributing to the kuryr/magnum networking integration etherpad	18:38
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daneyon_	does anyone have questions about magnum/kuryr integration that are not being covered in the ep?	18:38
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daneyon_	apuimedo I know kuryr is focused on bare metal for initial support.	18:39
irenab	I think its quite important if there is potentially missing functionality in docker, it should be mentioned	18:39
apuimedo	daneyon_: that's indeed the case. The first release targets bare-metal	18:40
daneyon_	is their a kuryr bp that we can track for kuryr inside vm's?	18:40
apuimedo	while we work on the first release, we work on designing for VM containers for the Magnum integration	18:40
apuimedo	daneyon_: not yet, since the main purpose of VM containers for us is the integration with Magnum	18:41
apuimedo	we want to condense the output of the current etherpad into a blueprint	18:41
banix	apuimedo: are you suggesting kuryr will work on core neutron features? I don’t see without Neutron additional features, kuryr being to move forward on this.	18:41
daneyon_	apuimedo irenab banix it would be helpful to have a list of bp's, patches, etc.. that kuryr requires from neutron to support your initial relase, i.e. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/vlan-aware-vms	18:42
apuimedo	banix: we'll work with and in Neutron where necessary	18:42
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apuimedo	as soon as we are done with this brainstorming we have to bring the topics in the neutron meetings. Those that have some bp/spec we should collaborate with, Those that don't we have to push	18:43
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irenab	apuimedo: +1	18:44
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daneyon_	irenab agreed everyone should follow the contributing guidelines of the upstream project (i.e. libnetwork). Reviews, bp's etc should reference the upstream commit, issue, etc..	18:44
hongbin	I would suggest to list all the BPs/working items in the etherpad (both Magnum and Kuryr)	18:44
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Tango	hongbin: +1	18:45
apuimedo	hongbin: and neutron ;-)	18:45
hongbin	sure	18:45
daneyon_	Is contributing upstream part of the kuryr mission?	18:45
banix	kuryr is upstream :)	18:45
apuimedo	we are part of the Neutron project, so doing in core neutron what belongs there is essential	18:46
irenab	daneyon_: upstream == docker?	18:46
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apuimedo	as for Docker and COEs	18:46
apuimedo	I don't like maintaining repos	18:46
apuimedo	so as much as I can put on their repos	18:46
apuimedo	we will	18:47
apuimedo	:-)	18:47
daneyon_	irenab yes docker, libnetwork, kubernetes, etc..	18:47
apuimedo	I initially wanted kuryr to be in-tree in libnetwork	18:47
apuimedo	I was quite disappointed when they closed libnetwork to other drivers	18:47
apuimedo	and it worries me for swarm	18:47
apuimedo	for Kubernetes I'm sure that if we need a plugin they will be welcoming	18:48
apuimedo	Mesos also looks good in that aspect	18:48
irenab	daneyon_: I think at minimum we should open issues, hopefully resolve them as well :-)	18:48
daneyon_	apuimedo just something to keep in mind for the kuryr project... defining the scope. If you don't contribute to the upstream projects such as libnetwork, then you may run into issues adding support you need.	18:48
apuimedo	adrian_otto: how is the mesos bay type coming along?	18:48
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apuimedo	daneyon_: we are opening issues in libnetwork	18:48
apuimedo	and we'll contribute for the things we need if they let us	18:49
daneyon_	irenab that's definitly needed.	18:49
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apuimedo	we are already operating in this way ;-)	18:49
hongbin	apuimedo: A basic support of Mesos bay type is landed	18:49
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apuimedo	tfukushima can show ;-)	18:49
daneyon_	apuimedo That's good to hear.	18:49
apuimedo	hongbin: which containerizer does it use? The docker one made in C++ ?	18:50
daneyon_	We are down to our last 10 minutes, so I would like to go to our next topic	18:50
banix	hockeynut: where?	18:50
banix	hongbin: where?	18:50
apuimedo	daneyon_: very well. Thanks for having us!	18:50
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daneyon_	#topic Review Action Items	18:50
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hongbin	apuimedo: It used the build-in docker containerizer	18:50
daneyon_	apuimedo yw	18:50
apuimedo	ok, that's the C++ nowadays :-)	18:51
daneyon_	apuimedo I will keep kuryr integration brainstorming on the agenda for next week. It would be helpful if someone from the kuryr team could join again.	18:51
daneyon_	ACTION: danehans to contact tcammann to ask for an updated vote on the net spec	18:51
daneyon_	complete	18:51
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daneyon_	tcammann gave a +2 to the spec	18:51
daneyon_	ACTION: danehans to send a formal request to the kuryr team for participation in our next meeting on 8/20	18:51
daneyon_	complete	18:51
daneyon_	and thanks to everyone from the kuryr team for joining and for the continued collaboration.	18:52
daneyon_	ACTION: adrian_otto formally request the Neutron/Kuryr PTL submit a Kuryr design spec.	18:52
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adrian_otto	completed	18:52
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daneyon_	I saw that adrian_otto sent the message to the ML	18:52
daneyon_	thanks adrian_otto	18:52
daneyon_	and here is the kuryr design spec:	18:53
daneyon_	#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/213490/	18:53
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daneyon_	it's a wip	18:53
eghobo	adrian_otto: who is Kuryr PTL?	18:53
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daneyon_	it would be great if everyone could review	18:53
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daneyon_	#action everyone review the kuryr design spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/186617/	18:54
daneyon_	eghobo I don't believe their community has performed a ptl vote yet	18:54
daneyon_	#topic Open Discussion	18:55
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daneyon_	I thought the clear containers thing from Intel/Rkt is interesting	18:55
daneyon_	#link https://coreos.com/blog/rkt-0.8-with-new-vm-support/	18:55
daneyon_	adrian_otto i hope all is well with your family thing	18:56
apuimedo	daneyon_: indeed. Would you say it is like hyper but for rkt?	18:56
adrian_otto	thanks daneyon_	18:57
daneyon_	adrian_otto pls let me know if you need any networking related updates for your silicon valley openstack meeting	18:57
daneyon_	apuimedo that's kind of how i see it	18:57
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adrian_otto	daneyon_: Thanks, will do.	18:57
apuimedo	daneyon_: in fact, sometimes I think that it would be much, much easier to network clearcontainers and hyper	18:57
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apuimedo	and make K8s and swarm use them	18:58
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daneyon_	adrian_otto any news from GOOG regarding magnum participation?	18:58
apuimedo	it's soo much easier :P	18:58
adrian_otto	not yet	18:58
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daneyon_	adrian_otto OK, thx	18:58
daneyon_	Our time is up	18:59
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daneyon_	Thanks to everyone for joining and have a great rest of your week!	18:59
daneyon_	#endmeeting	18:59
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tfukushima	daneyon_: Thanks for being our host.	18:59
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