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| ttx | lifeless: it's on the agenda. Cheers | 07:42 |
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| lifeless | ttx: thanks | 07:43 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: around? | 12:59 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: o/ | 13:01 |
| ttx | dims, lifeless: convenience ping in case you're around | 13:01 |
| ttx | #startmeeting releaseteam | 13:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 24 13:01:33 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'releaseteam' | 13:01 |
| ttx | Had a number of topics ti discuss, with liberty-3 / feature freeze coming up next week | 13:01 |
| ttx | The first one is the Oslo libraries stable branches | 13:02 |
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| ttx | following the recent thread | 13:02 |
| ttx | I keep on getting more confused, maybe we changed too many things | 13:02 |
| ttx | We had a plan out of that crazy session outside in YVR | 13:03 |
| ttx | I posted it on the thread | 13:03 |
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| dhellmann | yeah, I'm reading that now | 13:03 |
| ttx | So I'm surprised that we don't need stable branches to achieve that plan now | 13:03 |
| dhellmann | I don't see dims on line right now | 13:03 |
| dhellmann | I don't think anyone said we didn't need them? | 13:04 |
| dhellmann | lifeless suggested we may not need requirements caps | 13:04 |
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| ttx | he said "stable branches are orthogonal to constraints IMO. If the only reason for the stable branch is the capped requirements, then I would not make the branch." | 13:05 |
| dhellmann | because we'll have the constraints system to protect us at first, and we can add caps later for individual libs if we need to | 13:05 |
| ttx | pretty much "we don't need them" | 13:05 |
| dhellmann | yeah, but that's not the only reason | 13:05 |
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| ttx | right, which means we need to take them into account in the constraints checks | 13:05 |
| dhellmann | as I pointed out later in the thread, landing changes in master becomes a mess if we don't have stable branches, because we have to test against the stable branch as well as master and then remove that testing when we have an incompatible change to make | 13:06 |
| dhellmann | I think for the constraints what we do is leave requirements in libraries uncapped for good and leave requirements in servers uncapped *for now* | 13:06 |
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| dhellmann | create stable branches for everything (order to be determined) | 13:07 |
| ttx | agreed. I just worry about that "Enable master->stable cross-check" | 13:07 |
| ttx | which is very much to make contrsinats work in a stable-full world | 13:07 |
| ttx | constraints | 13:07 |
| sdague | dhellmann: I think it's just a trade off between managing backports vs. ensuring there are stable jobs on libs | 13:07 |
| dhellmann | and then as we release new versions of the libraries, test them with constraint changes in the stable branches, and if they don't work introduce a cap instead | 13:07 |
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| dhellmann | sdague: the problem isn't making sure we have stable jobs, it's rushing to remove them when they start breaking our ability to land changes in master because we raise a minimum requirement somewhere | 13:08 |
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| sdague | dhellmann: right, gotcha | 13:08 |
| dhellmann | sdague: which is sort of the reverse of what we have now, where master changes break stable | 13:08 |
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| dhellmann | I think with the constraints system fully in place, we're safe to not have caps until we actually discover an incompatibility somewhere, at which point it's relatively easy to do that | 13:09 |
| dhellmann | it's not clear we have enough of the constraints work in place, yet, though | 13:09 |
| ttx | dhellmann: regarding "as we release new versions of the libraries, test them with constraint changes in the stable branches, and if they don't work introduce a cap instead" ... does that mean we may end up with stable branches being tested with library versions that are on master ? | 13:09 |
| dhellmann | the tox stuff, in particular | 13:09 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: we could have that if we explicitly update the constraints to allow it, yes | 13:09 |
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| sdague | dhellmann: right, I don't know exactly what lifeless has left | 13:10 |
| ttx | dhellmann: under the current rules, we are supposed to accept any constraint change that passes tests | 13:10 |
| ttx | stable branches would be frozen ? | 13:10 |
| sdague | ttx: fwiw, that's the way this always used to work. The idea of stable branches in libraries is relatively new. | 13:10 |
| dhellmann | sdague: yeah, he mentioned being blocked on some sort of governance change in his email to update the testing interface, but I think we can do that in parallel if not after the fact | 13:11 |
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| ttx | sdague: right, but that means we may release a .Z version on a stable branch and never test with it | 13:11 |
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| dhellmann | I would expect us to be making far fewer changes to the constraints on the stable branch than on master, but I wouldn't consider it frozen | 13:12 |
| dhellmann | and I would definitely expect us to update it if we need a stable release of a library | 13:12 |
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| sdague | so, honestly, there are a lot of moving parts here. I'd suggest instead of everyone trying to keep it in their heads, get some bits written down with diagrams about the scenarios. | 13:12 |
| dhellmann | given the rate at which we update some of these libs, I don't think we want to tell a deployer the only place they can get a fix for 1.2.x is in 1.15.x | 13:13 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: trying to see how that would work with the automated constraints bump suggestions. | 13:13 |
| ttx | we would disable that on stable ? | 13:13 |
| sdague | so, constraints shouldn't be landed in libraries | 13:13 |
| ttx | or we would apply totally different rules on master vs. stable requirements ? | 13:13 |
| dhellmann | ttx: maybe, that's a good question. We should get lifeless to chime in on this. I agree with sdague we need a good write-up | 13:13 |
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| ttx | sdague: we did diagrams and scenarios. It's just that we may not be were we were supposed to be | 13:14 |
| sdague | ttx: url ? | 13:14 |
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| ttx | whiteboards in YVR that were posted on the ML at some point | 13:15 |
| dhellmann | sdague: I think https://doughellmann.com/blog/2015/05/28/openstack-requirements-handling/ | 13:15 |
| dhellmann | those are the notes from the summit, at least | 13:15 |
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| dhellmann | re-reading them, they're pretty raw | 13:16 |
| sdague | right, those are the notes. My suggestion is to turn them into a more detailed doc | 13:16 |
| dhellmann | yeah | 13:17 |
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| sdague | because I think those notes can be interpretted differently, and some of the tricky specifics need to be fleshed out | 13:17 |
| sdague | mostly for clarity, it's just a lot to keep in mental ram | 13:17 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: do you have time to start that, or should I put it on my list? Where do we want it to live? | 13:18 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: my gut feeling is that we built a system that is orthogonal to stable branches (like lifeless said), and putting stable branches back into it is likely to take more than the week we have to figure it out | 13:19 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: ok, I always understood the changes we were making to be on top of stable branches, so I'm surprised to hear that. | 13:20 |
| ttx | dhellmann: in particular, my impression is that the system is designed to work with a single channel of releases | 13:20 |
| dhellmann | if we don't create stable branches, we need to have test jobs for changes to master versions of all of the libraries running against stable versions of the server code | 13:20 |
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| dhellmann | and if we have that, we need some sort of quick response plan for the day a team is blocked making changes because we've introduced an incompatible dependency in master so that the master version of the lib no longer works with the stable version of the app -- that will happen, it happens all the time | 13:21 |
| ttx | dhellmann: I think we need stable branches. Otherwise you need to branch whenever the library starts to implement changes that don't work with the previous release | 13:21 |
| dhellmann | right | 13:21 |
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| ttx | either to mark that beforehand | 13:21 |
| dhellmann | ok, I thought you were saying we didn't need them | 13:21 |
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| sdague | so, it's not a terrible thing to make libraries have that level of compatibility | 13:22 |
| ttx | easier* | 13:22 |
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| sdague | that just means interfaces need a couple cycles to be dropped | 13:22 |
| ttx | dhellmann: no, I'm surprised to discover lifeless thinks we don't need them. | 13:22 |
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| dhellmann | sdague: the issue is not usually with our code (though that does certainly come up), it's with wanting to add a dependency on a new thing (or a new version of a thing) we don't control, and having *that* break the stable branches | 13:23 |
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| ttx | stablea branches are just about freezing the state every 6 months so that maintaining it working is easier | 13:23 |
| sdague | dhellmann: ok, so, perhaps documenting some cases of when that happened will make it more clear | 13:23 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: ok, I'll start a thread on the stable/release/requirements process, beyond only Oslo | 13:25 |
| ttx | no point in discussing that without Robert | 13:25 |
| sdague | anyway, probably worth figuring out lifeless's plan here | 13:25 |
| dhellmann | yeah | 13:25 |
| sdague | yeh | 13:25 |
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| ttx | Second topic I had is about intermediary-released thingies and RCs | 13:25 |
| ttx | Historically Swift was the only thing we did intermediary-releases for (beyond libs) | 13:26 |
| ttx | We would just push a tag there | 13:26 |
| ttx | but the "coordinated" swift end-of-cycle release still used RCs | 13:26 |
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| ttx | we would create a release branch there and tag rc1 | 13:27 |
| ttx | To be consistent I think we need to just tag there | 13:27 |
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| ttx | the supposedly-final release | 13:27 |
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| ttx | and bump Z in case we need to have another "candidate" | 13:27 |
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| ttx | in summary... | 13:28 |
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| ttx | for projects with intermediary releases, the fnal release candidates are just intermediary releases | 13:28 |
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| ttx | and you just do another one on the stable/liberty release branch if it's too broken. | 13:29 |
| dhellmann | yes, I think that's what I was expecting. release:cycle-with-intermediary projects don't tag betas or RCs, just actual releases. | 13:29 |
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| ttx | right. That means we need to communicate that to Swift | 13:29 |
| ttx | since that's a change to them. | 13:29 |
| ttx | I'll talk with notmyname about it | 13:29 |
| ttx | I think they never wanted to have the final release being different than others anyway, but better doublecheck | 13:30 |
| dhellmann | if he objects, I wouldn't have a problem with making that process change next cycle | 13:30 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: it came up when I started updating the rc*.sh scripts | 13:30 |
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| dhellmann | ok | 13:31 |
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| ttx | #action ttx to reach out to notmyname about the need for RCs for the "final" swift release of the cycle | 13:31 |
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| ttx | #action ttx to start a wider thread about the stable/release/requirements process, beyond only Oslo | 13:31 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: my next topics were about stable branch releases and release notes. But there may be other "urgent" topics to discuss before ? | 13:32 |
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| dhellmann | I don't have anything urgent, so let's keep going with your agenda | 13:33 |
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| ttx | #topic Stable branch releases from liberty on | 13:33 |
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| ttx | Current state of that is well summarized as options in : | 13:34 |
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| ttx | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-August/072603.html | 13:34 |
| ttx | Tag-every-commit vs. Time to time tagging | 13:34 |
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| ttx | Have any preference ? | 13:35 |
| ttx | At this stage I'm willing to opt for the less disruptive and less work | 13:35 |
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| ttx | i.e. "Time to time tagging" | 13:35 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I think time-to-time makes sense | 13:35 |
| dhellmann | that can always devolve into every commit, if we need it to | 13:36 |
| ttx | I can see how it fails to reach the original objectives, so I sympathetize to Daviey | 13:36 |
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| ttx | but yeah, easier to evolve from there | 13:36 |
| dhellmann | but I'm also inclined to see how far we can stretch that time between tags | 13:36 |
| ttx | good incremental step | 13:36 |
| dhellmann | maybe with projects or distros asking for tags when they feel they are needed | 13:36 |
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| ttx | Also a good thing to have release automation fully in place and see how much it changes things | 13:37 |
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| dhellmann | yeah | 13:37 |
| ttx | #agreed Release team leaning toward "Time to time tagging" for stable/liberty as a more realistic objective and good incremental step | 13:37 |
| dhellmann | oh, on stable branches we do post-versioning, right? | 13:38 |
| ttx | I think we currently do pre-versioning | 13:38 |
| ttx | but I don't think that's hard to change there | 13:39 |
| dhellmann | yeah, we just need to remove the version string from setup.cfg | 13:39 |
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| ttx | anything else before we move to stable release notes ? | 13:39 |
| ttx | I'll take that as no | 13:40 |
| ttx | #topic Stable release notes | 13:40 |
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| dhellmann | no, sorry, phone rang | 13:40 |
| ttx | So on this topic there might be more work involved | 13:40 |
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| dhellmann | I like the idea of having the release notes in tree. The scheme lifeless described seemed a bit more complex than necessary | 13:41 |
| ttx | I think the two solutions are: lifeless's YAML directory for semi-continuous release note generation, and a single file in the root of the directory | 13:41 |
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| dhellmann | could we not just have a relnotes subdir under doc/source and let sphinx build the final document for us? | 13:41 |
| ttx | oh, you're suggesting something in between now | 13:42 |
| dhellmann | yeah, we get the merge protection of lifeless' yaml proposal without having to build any new software | 13:42 |
| dhellmann | we could even have relnotes/$SERIES/*.rst and just keep the notes published forever | 13:42 |
| ttx | dhellmann: yeah, I was thinking that part (determining which release notes to build) was a bit over the top | 13:43 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: are docs generated as part of the tarball creation ? | 13:43 |
| dhellmann | I think so, but I'm not certain | 13:44 |
| dhellmann | fungi: do you know if docs are built as part of tarball creation? ^^ | 13:44 |
| ttx | I can check really quick | 13:44 |
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| dhellmann | I don't get them in an sdist | 13:45 |
| ttx | yeah, can't find them in built tarballs on tarballs.o.o either | 13:45 |
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| dhellmann | ok, so that may not be optimal | 13:47 |
| ttx | So... we can still brainstorm solutions there. I guess plan B is to edit a single file (or let whoever triggers the time-to-time release update it before tagging) | 13:47 |
| ttx | so we have a backup plan if we can't come up with something good before stable/liberty is cut | 13:48 |
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| dhellmann | right | 13:48 |
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| dhellmann | another benefit of keeping them in tree is we could encourage reviewers to require them as patches are made | 13:49 |
| ttx | yeah, that's the main argument for it | 13:49 |
| dhellmann | of course it opens us up to having notes changed for clarity after the fact, and then those changes not being backported, but I think we can live with that | 13:49 |
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| dhellmann | oh, I thought we were doing this because without official stable releases we didn't have anyone doing the gathering | 13:50 |
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| ttx | How would you reconcile building release notes continusouly and post-versioning ? We would generate a RELEASENOTES-NEXT.rst that would contain untagged notes ? | 13:50 |
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| dhellmann | if we go with the sphinx idea and group the notes by release series, we can have an N directory until N gets its name, and then that can be renamed. Or we could just use the letters to avoid having URLs change | 13:51 |
| dhellmann | then release notes would be published live in the docs for the project as soon as the patch lands, and would be included in a discoverable directory afterwards | 13:52 |
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| dhellmann | if we want one big release notes file in the tarball, to complement the file published on docs.openstack.org, we could make pbr build that for us | 13:52 |
| dhellmann | it could do something with docutils to convert the rst to plain text and concatenate the results together or something | 13:53 |
| ttx | hmm, you need release notes per version, not per series | 13:53 |
| ttx | although you can group them in a single file per series I guess | 13:53 |
| dhellmann | oh, true | 13:53 |
| ttx | you need to at least write them to a version | 13:53 |
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| ttx | hence my question on how to write to the "next" version in postver | 13:54 |
| ttx | we'll likely need some placeholder | 13:54 |
| dhellmann | I guess this is why lifeless' proposal was more complex :-) | 13:54 |
| ttx | hehe | 13:54 |
| ttx | He is often right, which makes it difficult to constantly disagree with him. | 13:54 |
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| ttx | ok, so I should have a side releaseteam-meeting with lifeless on APAC-friendly time (my tomorrow morning) to clarify both things | 13:56 |
| dhellmann | and I should re-read his proposal | 13:56 |
| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 13:56 |
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| dhellmann | you saw that I submitted all of the release tag changes? | 13:57 |
| ttx | Anything else ? I'm a bit panicked because it feels like we changed the engine to the train, I don't know how it works anymore, the train is full speed ahead and the next train station is next week | 13:57 |
| ttx | yes I saw that. I'll have a deep look soon | 13:57 |
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| dhellmann | I'm a little worried, but I think the only thing we actually have to solve by next week is understanding the order to do the tagging/branching | 13:58 |
| ttx | also, the mechanic of the train leaves on the opposite side of the world | 13:58 |
| ttx | lives* | 13:58 |
| jokke_ | ttx: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0477080/ ? :) | 13:58 |
| dhellmann | the release notes thing we can always do in the stable branches directly, we don't need that in master, yet | 13:58 |
| ttx | and I make funny english mistakes, too | 13:58 |
| dhellmann | ttx: I read it with a french accent, so I understood what you meant ;-) | 13:58 |
| dhellmann | what else is inducing panic? | 13:59 |
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| ttx | stable branch / RC / cut order. I think we'll fumble it again this time | 13:59 |
| ttx | I'm missing too many pages of that book to be sure. | 14:00 |
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| ttx | Can't wait until I reach firefighting stage and not panic anymore | 14:00 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 24 14:00:52 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2015/releaseteam.2015-08-24-13.01.html | 14:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2015/releaseteam.2015-08-24-13.01.txt | 14:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2015/releaseteam.2015-08-24-13.01.log.html | 14:00 |
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| boris-42 | #startmeeting Rally | 14:04 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 24 14:04:40 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is boris-42. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:04 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rally' | 14:04 |
| kun_huang | yep | 14:04 |
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| boris-42 | hi hi | 14:04 |
| rvasilets__ | Hi | 14:05 |
| skraynev | hi | 14:05 |
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| andreykurilin__ | hi | 14:06 |
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| boris-42 | hi hi | 14:07 |
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| boris-42 | #topic Meeting agenda | 14:07 |
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| e0ne | пhi | 14:07 |
| e0ne | hi | 14:07 |
| boris-42 | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Rally#Weekly_Rally_release_meeting | 14:07 |
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| boris-42 | if somebody would like to discuss something please add it to meeting agenda | 14:07 |
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| boris-42 | #topic [andreykurilin] The critical number of outdated patches on review. | 14:08 |
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| andreykurilin__ | we have a lot of patches, which are almost ready, but authors are gone | 14:09 |
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| andreykurilin__ | So I suggest to pay attention to these patches and finish them. | 14:09 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin__: so maybe we should create some list | 14:10 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin__: with priorities and reasons (why patch is not finished) | 14:10 |
| andreykurilin__ | boris-42: yes, maybe it will help | 14:11 |
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| boris-42 | andreykurilin__: so people will know that they can just take these patches (like bug) and just finish them | 14:11 |
| rvasilets__ | Then we need to reassign outdated patches:-) | 14:11 |
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| andreykurilin__ | rvasilets: just put "co-authored" to commit message | 14:11 |
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| andreykurilin__ | Currently we have more than 150 patches on review | 14:12 |
| kun_huang | yep, I did something like this before | 14:12 |
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| rvasilets__ | Reassign means to give someone task to finish patch for example | 14:12 |
| rvasilets__ | For example, roma please finish patch 123456 | 14:13 |
| patchbot | rvasilets__: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/123456/ | 14:13 |
| andreykurilin__ | Also, I found that several patches are already implemented by another changes, so we can abandon them | 14:13 |
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| andreykurilin__ | rvasilets__: we can create a table at google docs with list of patches and reasons(something like "contains small nits"), so everyone will be able to find a patch to maintain and finish it | 14:15 |
| boris-42 | +1 for table | 14:15 |
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| rvasilets__ | Ok | 14:16 |
| rvasilets__ | Good idea | 14:16 |
| rvasilets__ | Agree:-) | 14:16 |
| andreykurilin__ | boris-42: Of course you're +1 for the table. it was your suggestion:) | 14:16 |
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| boris-42 | andreykurilin__: okay I am +2 fot the table LOL | 14:17 |
| rvasilets__ | Lol | 14:17 |
| kun_huang | anyone prefer etherpad? | 14:17 |
| rvasilets__ | Nooo:-) | 14:18 |
| boris-42 | nooo | 14:18 |
| kun_huang | =, = | 14:18 |
| andreykurilin__ | kun_huang: Does etherpad supports tables? | 14:18 |
| kun_huang | just simple list | 14:18 |
| kun_huang | google is hard blocked in china :( | 14:18 |
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| andreykurilin__ | :( | 14:18 |
| andreykurilin__ | ok, we should think more about how to store such table | 14:19 |
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| boris-42 | andreykurilin__: just excel | 14:19 |
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| boris-42 | andreykurilin__: 1 column first line of commit message second url third reason why it's not done | 14:20 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin__: I can prepare initial version of itt | 14:20 |
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| andreykurilin__ | another question: Should we abandon changes after they will be added to the table or leave them? From one point of view: if changes will be abandoned, cores will be able to restore them and list of open reviews will contain only uptodate patches. | 14:21 |
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| boris-42 | andreykurilin__: I don't want to abandon them | 14:21 |
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| andreykurilin__ | boris-42: because it will require involvement from core team each time? | 14:22 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin__: because we should see issues | 14:24 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin__: not hide them | 14:24 |
| andreykurilin__ | btw, what about using wiki page for the table? | 14:24 |
| andreykurilin__ | boris-42, kun_huang : ^ | 14:24 |
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| boris-42 | andreykurilin__: sound good | 14:25 |
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| boris-42 | okay next topic | 14:26 |
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| boris-42 | stannie: hi there | 14:26 |
| stannie | hi | 14:27 |
| boris-42 | stannie: how things are going?) | 14:27 |
| stannie | fine thx :) | 14:27 |
| rvasilets__ | Wiki is good | 14:27 |
| boris-42 | ok let it be wiki | 14:28 |
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| boris-42 | now next topic | 14:28 |
| boris-42 | #topic [boris-42] Updates about switching to Plugin base. | 14:28 |
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| boris-42 | okay guys with help of MetaClasses we can do switching to plugin base in case of scenarios smoother | 14:29 |
| boris-42 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/213631/ | 14:29 |
| boris-42 | Like we don't need to introduce anything else from what we have now in our scenario.configure() and it will work with Plugin base | 14:30 |
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| boris-42 | This patch finishes large amount of work that will allow us to cleanup a lot of code | 14:30 |
| andreykurilin__ | yes, metaclasses are nice:) | 14:30 |
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| boris-42 | like we will be able to have @types and @validators, deprecation mechanism & info unified and one code that works with all types of plugins | 14:31 |
| boris-42 | less code less bugs=) | 14:31 |
| boris-42 | any questions? | 14:33 |
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| andreykurilin__ | no | 14:33 |
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| boris-42 | okay great | 14:33 |
| boris-42 | #topic Open discussion | 14:33 |
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| boris-42 | anything to discuss?) | 14:33 |
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| andreykurilin__ | next release date:) it would be nice to have release at 14 September, so we will able to return to our 2-weeks cycle | 14:35 |
| andreykurilin__ | boris-42: ^ | 14:35 |
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| rvasilets__ | Is it too much?) | 14:36 |
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| boris-42 | andreykurilin__: heh sounds good=) | 14:36 |
| boris-42 | LOL | 14:36 |
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| boris-42 | or we can cut it this week | 14:36 |
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| boris-42 | because what we need is task.abort and basically this patch that switches to plugin base | 14:36 |
| boris-42 | rest can wait | 14:37 |
| andreykurilin__ | boris-42: what about new reports? | 14:37 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin__: they may wait | 14:37 |
| andreykurilin__ | ok | 14:37 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin__: in any case nothing is stoping us to review in merge them | 14:37 |
| andreykurilin__ | ) | 14:38 |
| andreykurilin__ | ok | 14:38 |
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| andreykurilin__ | nothing else from my side. | 14:38 |
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| boris-42 | okay | 14:40 |
| boris-42 | let's finish this meeting | 14:40 |
| boris-42 | see you next week | 14:40 |
| boris-42 | #endmeeting | 14:40 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 24 14:40:41 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2015/rally.2015-08-24-14.04.html | 14:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2015/rally.2015-08-24-14.04.txt | 14:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2015/rally.2015-08-24-14.04.log.html | 14:40 |
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| asselin | anyone here for 3rd party meeting? | 15:04 |
| anteaya | hi | 15:04 |
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| anteaya | #startmeeting third-party | 15:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 24 15:04:36 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:04 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 15:04 |
| akerr | o/ | 15:04 |
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| asselin | o/ | 15:04 |
| anteaya | asselin: thanks for getting up early :) | 15:04 |
| mmedvede | o/ | 15:04 |
| anteaya | how is everyone today? | 15:04 |
| asselin | last week we had nodepool issues | 15:05 |
| patrickeast | hey | 15:05 |
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| asselin | #link nodepool issues http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-August/072556.html | 15:05 |
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| asselin | seems it's been hitting others as well, so read ^^ for solutions to get nodepool working again | 15:06 |
| anteaya | so we would like to begin by discussing nodepool? | 15:06 |
| mmedvede | we actually pin nodepool to a certain version to avoid such surprises | 15:07 |
| anteaya | thanks for introducing the topic asselin | 15:07 |
| asselin | mmedvede, how do you pin? | 15:07 |
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| asselin | but either way, still not sure why it broke.... | 15:08 |
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| patrickeast | one thing kind of related, i have been having issues with my ci system killing vm's part-way through, in an effort to fix that i manually went and set my nodepool to v0.1.1 and zuul to v2.1.1 (at least i think those are the latest versions) | 15:09 |
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| patrickeast | i see that the nodepool and zuul puppet classes have a revision parameter, but i don't think we put that in the openstackci one | 15:09 |
| patrickeast | was that intentional? | 15:09 |
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| patrickeast | i'm having much better results running on the older 'release' version instead of tip of tree | 15:09 |
| mmedvede | asselin: I specify nodepool branch to use in my puppet manifest | 15:10 |
| asselin | patrickeast, yea, should work on adding that | 15:10 |
| asselin | well, using that | 15:11 |
| patrickeast | asselin: ok cool, i can put up a patch to do it, just wanted to check and see if that was by design or not | 15:11 |
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| asselin | I wonder if nodepool/zuul have release tags that can be used | 15:11 |
| anteaya | patrickeast: v0.1.1 for nodepool is a released tag, the latest tag for zuul is v2.1.0 | 15:12 |
| patrickeast | ahh yea 2.1.0 for zuul | 15:12 |
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| anteaya | so if you have v2.1.1 it is some commit after the latest tag | 15:12 |
| patrickeast | anteaya: those are what i'm using, to much better effect than master | 15:12 |
| anteaya | patrickeast: I'm glad you are having good results | 15:12 |
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| asselin | patrickeast, if you have time, put up a patch & i'll review | 15:13 |
| mmedvede | There are a few useful commits after tagged commit, so I am using the commit sha as the revision | 15:13 |
| anteaya | asselin: both nodepool and zuul have release tags, yes | 15:13 |
| asselin | mmedvede, so which is a better default, latest release tag or master? | 15:13 |
| patrickeast | does infra use the tagged versions? | 15:13 |
| asselin | I beleive they use master | 15:14 |
| anteaya | not that I am aware | 15:14 |
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| anteaya | yes I too believe we use master of all our tools | 15:14 |
| patrickeast | maybe its worth figuring out kind of a stable recommended point for the 3rd party ci systems | 15:14 |
| asselin | patrickeast, +1 | 15:15 |
| anteaya | well the problem with a recommendation is it gets old | 15:15 |
| patrickeast | yea definitely | 15:15 |
| anteaya | and many operators don't follow what we recommend anyway | 15:15 |
| mmedvede | asselin: I normally use something that works, then manually review new commits, and switch to a new pin if it seems safe | 15:15 |
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| anteaya | I'm fine if by talking to each other your decide tag x and tag y are the flavour d'jour | 15:15 |
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| anteaya | but please don't communicate that further than the meeting logs | 15:16 |
| anteaya | or irc conversation | 15:16 |
| anteaya | as it just proves fodder for someone to drag their heels | 15:16 |
| anteaya | "your recommendation didn't work for me, so I don't have to do what you say" | 15:16 |
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| patrickeast | i can understand that, but right now we recommend master... which also doesn't always work | 15:17 |
| asselin | well, the good news is that there's a nodepool ci job that caught the issue and showed the fix solve it | 15:17 |
| anteaya | sorry but unfortunately we are limited by the more relucant operators when trying to mix up standards | 15:17 |
| anteaya | well master works for infra | 15:17 |
| anteaya | and part of the point is to help upstream | 15:17 |
| anteaya | so if it doesn't work, then it helps everyone to find out why and offer a patch | 15:18 |
| anteaya | that is the point of open source work | 15:18 |
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| asselin | anteaya, actually in this case it worked for infra b/c nodepool wasn't restarted. | 15:18 |
| anteaya | fair enough | 15:18 |
| asselin | hence the urgency infra team had to help fix it | 15:18 |
| anteaya | and yay for the nodepool ci job | 15:18 |
| anteaya | yes | 15:18 |
| asselin | +1 | 15:18 |
| anteaya | and that is the nature of the workflow | 15:18 |
| anteaya | fraught with hazards | 15:19 |
| anteaya | but we all have the same problems | 15:19 |
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| anteaya | and hopefully the same commitment to getting them working, for everyone | 15:19 |
| anteaya | third party ci systems are proving valuable in that regard | 15:20 |
| anteaya | they are sometimes finding issues before infra does | 15:20 |
| anteaya | and that is very very helpful | 15:20 |
| asselin | yeah, I guess our ci down saved the world. :) | 15:20 |
| anteaya | for instance jgriffith found the openstack-client-config issue 2 weeks ago before anyone else did | 15:20 |
| anteaya | asselin: it happens | 15:21 |
| anteaya | and thanks for taking your turn | 15:21 |
| anteaya | we really really appreciate it | 15:21 |
| * asselin will start making tshirts | 15:21 | |
| anteaya | so we were able to find a fix for the openstack-client-config issue and tag a new release prior to it hitting the gate and more third party ci systems | 15:21 |
| anteaya | asselin: :) | 15:22 |
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| anteaya | so it is painful, yes it is | 15:22 |
| anteaya | and frustrating, most certainly | 15:22 |
| anteaya | but in the long run it helps everyone | 15:22 |
| asselin | anteaya, what was the issue with openstack-client-config? | 15:22 |
| anteaya | which for most folks in open source is the point of being in open source | 15:22 |
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| * anteaya digs up the ml thread | 15:23 | |
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| anteaya | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-August/071951.html | 15:24 |
| asselin | thanks | 15:25 |
| anteaya | thank you | 15:25 |
| patrickeast | i'm a little bit confused, these are different issues the openstack-client-config thing was an issue with openstack ie the product we are supposed to be testing, not with nodepool/zuul/shade/etc, i can totally understand wanting to help test out and act as a canary for the infra team, but i have a dev-ci system for that... why should i allow my live system | 15:25 |
| patrickeast | break and block patches in cinder? why should we say that is ok for all third party ci systems? | 15:25 |
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| patrickeast | imo there should still be a 'stable' point to work off of | 15:25 |
| anteaya | I'm not stopping you from running any version of the tools you wish to run | 15:26 |
| patrickeast | but i have to keep it a secret? | 15:26 |
| anteaya | nor am I stopping you from discussing with others | 15:26 |
| anteaya | I will not stand behind any version combination as recommended | 15:26 |
| BobBall | I completely agree with patrickeast - I think as 3rd party CI operators we should run a common system in a known good configuration, including specific tags | 15:26 |
| anteaya | you want to make recommendations as patrickeast, I can't stop you | 15:27 |
| anteaya | BobBall: I am not stopping you | 15:27 |
| anteaya | infra is not going to be issuing recommendations in that regard | 15:27 |
| anteaya | other than running what we run | 15:27 |
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| mmedvede | Living on the tip normally means your CI system would be in almost constant state of fighting random fires | 15:27 |
| anteaya | yes | 15:28 |
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| patrickeast | maybe then its a question for a different venue, but why isn't infra using tagged releases? wouldn't have help alieve issues with the gate too? | 15:28 |
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| anteaya | any the tests don't catch | 15:28 |
| BobBall | So you're just saying "Infra runs master, a group of 3rd party CI operators run according to doc over there -->" | 15:28 |
| patrickeast | s/have/that/ | 15:28 |
| anteaya | I am saying that I am not making any more recommendations | 15:28 |
| anteaya | as the ones we have now are not followed | 15:28 |
| patrickeast | anteaya: understood | 15:29 |
| anteaya | if you read the prohetstor ci and microsoft ci threads on the mailing list | 15:29 |
| anteaya | personally I would have cut both loose long ago | 15:29 |
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| anteaya | but I support thingee's attempts to help them | 15:29 |
| anteaya | and will not widen the gap to make his job tougher | 15:29 |
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| anteaya | I hear what you are saying | 15:30 |
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| anteaya | and I totally get it | 15:30 |
| anteaya | you want your systems to work | 15:30 |
| anteaya | a very good goal | 15:30 |
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| mmedvede | we want to help upstream too :) | 15:30 |
| anteaya | I just can't choose your goal over the ptl's goal | 15:30 |
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| anteaya | which is to try to help those who wish to be included | 15:30 |
| anteaya | mmedvede: thanks :) | 15:30 |
| mmedvede | but we have limited time resources | 15:30 |
| anteaya | I always hope for that as a goal | 15:30 |
| * anteaya nods | 15:30 | |
| anteaya | yes I get that too | 15:30 |
| anteaya | loud and clear | 15:31 |
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| anteaya | so talking amoungst yourselves about best practices? | 15:31 |
| anteaya | lovely I my heart applaudes every time I see it | 15:31 |
| asselin | personally for our 3rd party ci, I don't mind to use master. However we also have internal ci systems we use for non-openstack, and plan to change those to tags/commits. | 15:31 |
| anteaya | announcing to the world the one truth path? that at best has a stale date on it | 15:32 |
| anteaya | and won't be in the group supporting that direction | 15:32 |
| patrickeast | haha i still dont understand, thats the whole point of the converged openstack ci infrastructure isnt it? | 15:32 |
| patrickeast | if we didn't want a 'true path' why are we doing that? | 15:32 |
| asselin | I don't think recommending the latest tag is a bad recommendation | 15:32 |
| anteaya | patrickeast: we are using the same tools yes | 15:32 |
| BobBall | asselin: Can we get puppet to automatically determine the last tag, or do we have to provide a named tag? | 15:33 |
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| asselin | BobBall, good question. one way to do it would be to install for pypi | 15:34 |
| anteaya | patrickeast: if we have everyone following the same menu, then updating the menu with the soup d'jour is easy | 15:34 |
| patrickeast | anteaya: yea that makes perfect sense to me, what i don't get is the resistance to improve our current soups flavor in the mean-time just because not everyone is on the same menu | 15:35 |
| anteaya | because not everyone is on the same menu | 15:35 |
| patrickeast | so? they will be as left behind and screwed as they were yesterday | 15:36 |
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| patrickeast | or if they figure it out, more power to them | 15:36 |
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| anteaya | can you recognize the difference between an agreement at a meeting and making a recommendation to the mailing list | 15:36 |
| patrickeast | yes | 15:36 |
| anteaya | great | 15:36 |
| anteaya | then that is the difference | 15:36 |
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| jgriffith | patrickeast: just from my perspective... I *thought* the point was to make it "easier" for folks to deploy/run CI and have commonality so those that need help can get it | 15:36 |
| patrickeast | jgriffith: exactly! | 15:37 |
| anteaya | folks whose level of comprehension includes reading logs can handle the information in the context it is offered | 15:37 |
| patrickeast | jgriffith: and what i'm advocating for is to make it easier | 15:37 |
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| jgriffith | patrickeast: yes, but NOT to say... this is the only way to do it and we shouldn't expect things to be able to be deployed real-time | 15:37 |
| anteaya | are we going to spend all meeting on this? | 15:37 |
| jgriffith | anteaya: hehe... sorry :) | 15:37 |
| anteaya | just checking in case anyone has anything else they want to talk about | 15:37 |
| patrickeast | anteaya: sorry, didn't mean to hijack the meeting | 15:37 |
| anteaya | jgriffith: not at all, glad you are here | 15:37 |
| * jgriffith is being quiet on that topic now | 15:37 | |
| anteaya | jgriffith: no no no, stay | 15:38 |
| BobBall | What I'd like to see is the 3rd party CI operators coming up with a set of scripts + (updating) set of tags for a known-good CI. That doesn't need to be an Infra recommendation, as anteaya points out | 15:38 |
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| anteaya | it is just that we just launced into this | 15:38 |
| jgriffith | anteaya: Oh, I'll stay for sure, just letting that topic go :) | 15:38 |
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| anteaya | without me getting a clear sense of the room | 15:38 |
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| anteaya | so I still don't know if people had other things or want to use all the time for this | 15:38 |
| anteaya | BobBall: agreed and good summary | 15:38 |
| anteaya | operators talking to operators is a great dynamic | 15:39 |
| asselin | from my point of view, first get everything on the same scripts on master, then add e.g. toggle switch to use latest released/tagged version. | 15:39 |
| anteaya | but my default is looking to where we point people for support | 15:39 |
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| BobBall | agreed asselin | 15:39 |
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| anteaya | so happy to point them to other operators for those who don't understand | 15:40 |
| anteaya | asselin: yup | 15:40 |
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| anteaya | asselin: that sounds good to me too | 15:40 |
| anteaya | posts to the mailing list usually just send folks to infra channel | 15:40 |
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| anteaya | so having a play to address that flood when it happens is good to have in place | 15:40 |
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| anteaya | so again, very supportive of the early direction of the conversation, which was y'all figuring out what versions work best for you | 15:41 |
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| asselin | ok I started this topic....I'm done | 15:42 |
| anteaya | thanks asselin, a good conversation | 15:42 |
| anteaya | does anyone have anything more on this topic? | 15:42 |
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| anteaya | does anyone have anything else they would like to discuss? | 15:43 |
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| anteaya | patrickeast: so you were going to submit a patch to puppet-openstackci to include a version parameter? | 15:44 |
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| patrickeast | anteaya: yes | 15:44 |
| anteaya | great thank you | 15:44 |
| anteaya | does anyone have any reason why I shouldn't close the meeting today? | 15:45 |
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| anteaya | thank you everyone for your kind attendance and participation | 15:45 |
| anteaya | see you all next week | 15:45 |
| anteaya | #endmeeting | 15:45 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 24 15:45:56 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-08-24-15.04.html | 15:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-08-24-15.04.txt | 15:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-08-24-15.04.log.html | 15:46 |
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| NikolayM | #startmeeting Mistral | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 24 16:01:06 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is NikolayM. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral' | 16:01 |
| NikolayM | hi everyone! | 16:01 |
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| akuznetsova | hi ! | 16:01 |
| gpaz | Hi everyone | 16:01 |
| ^Gal^ | hello | 16:01 |
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| xylan_kong | hi, guys | 16:02 |
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| NikolayM | let's start | 16:02 |
| NikolayM | #topic Review action items | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review action items (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 16:02 | |
| NikolayM | 1. rakhmerov, nikolaym: provide recommendations on how to test https://review.openstack.org/212080 | 16:03 |
| NikolayM | it seems it wasn't done | 16:04 |
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| NikolayM | gpaz, could you comment on that? | 16:04 |
| gpaz | provided... I think ... Renat comment in the ticket.. | 16:04 |
| NikolayM | the patch is related to ctx in expiration policy | 16:04 |
| NikolayM | ooh, ok, I didn't know | 16:04 |
| gpaz | I didnt have a chance to work on that probably start doing that this week | 16:04 |
| gpaz | (in the last few day we had some demo - that include Mistral by the way) | 16:05 |
| NikolayM | cool :) | 16:05 |
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| gpaz | the buttom line renat wrote some comment I will take a look and try to use that | 16:06 |
| m4dcoder | hi | 16:06 |
| NikolayM | thanks for explanation | 16:06 |
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| NikolayM | 2. nikolaym break down https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-documentation into smaller BPs | 16:06 |
| NikolayM | this one is done | 16:06 |
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| NikolayM | now there are about 8 BPs about documentation | 16:07 |
| ^Gal^ | nice :) | 16:07 |
| NikolayM | 3. rakhmerov start ML discussion about the best approach for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-execution-origin | 16:08 |
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| NikolayM | I don't exactly know status of this | 16:08 |
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| NikolayM | but anyway, I didn't see a thread with that topic in ML | 16:08 |
| xylan_kong | neither do I | 16:09 |
| NikolayM | so, let's schedule it for the next meeting | 16:10 |
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| NikolayM | #action rakhmerov: start ML discussion about the best approach for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-execution-origin | 16:10 |
| NikolayM | next topic - current status | 16:11 |
| NikolayM | #topic Current status | 16:11 |
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| NikolayM | guys, let's tell current status | 16:11 |
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| ^Gal^ | I'm on mistral dashboard execution screen - execution update, doing good | 16:12 |
| xylan_kong | I'm working on the pagination support in Mistral, have it supported on workflow and action, do some review and bug fix | 16:12 |
| ^Gal^ | ill start the pagination thing tomorrow | 16:12 |
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| gpaz | As I wrote in the pass days I was working on internal Alcatel stuff . I need to complete the fix for bug (add test) | 16:12 |
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| xylan_kong | ^Gal^: if you need help, or you have question about execution pagination, please contact me | 16:12 |
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| m4dcoder | I've started working on the postgresql tests again. No resolution yet. | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | hi all | 16:13 |
| NikolayM | my status: working on the documentation, install guide and config guide are already on the review | 16:13 |
| ^Gal^ | xylan_kong: thanks appreciate | 16:13 |
| NikolayM | hi rakhmerov! | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | sorry for being late | 16:13 |
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| xylan_kong | rakhmerov: hi | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | NikolayM: please continue | 16:13 |
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| rakhmerov | btw, I didn't start ML discussion yet about execution origin | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | but I have an email draft about that ) | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | my status: made several patches to fix cycles in direct workflow | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | and a couple of patches to openstack requirements and infra | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | planning to continue with refactoring and testing workflow cycles (there are still some issues in it) | 16:15 |
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| NikolayM | btw, I fixed all patches related to with-items concurrency and they were merged last week | 16:16 |
| xylan_kong | NikolayM: good job | 16:16 |
| NikolayM | xylan_kong: thx :) | 16:16 |
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| NikolayM | next topic | 16:17 |
| m4dcoder | NikolayM, I posted a bug on with-items concurrency last Friday. apparently if the concurrency is YAQL, it doesn't work. | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | ooh, interesting | 16:18 |
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| NikolayM | m4dcoder, yep, I saw that bug | 16:18 |
| m4dcoder | good | 16:18 |
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| NikolayM | and it can really take place here | 16:18 |
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| NikolayM | ok, I'll fix it this week | 16:19 |
| m4dcoder | thx | 16:19 |
| NikolayM | #topic Liberty-3 progress | 16:19 |
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| ^Gal^ | Ui-wise, we have some schedule problems with task screen | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | task screen? | 16:21 |
| ^Gal^ | yeah Liat's blueprint | 16:21 |
| rakhmerov | you mean you don't seem to have time for it? | 16:21 |
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| rakhmerov | till the end of l-3 | 16:21 |
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| ^Gal^ | it the screen I talk to you about earlier, Liat's on vacatyion | 16:21 |
| rakhmerov | ooh | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | I see | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | thanks for letting us know | 16:22 |
| ^Gal^ | sure np | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | I'll reassign it to someone else then | 16:22 |
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| ^Gal^ | sure, she had the task overview page done | 16:22 |
| ^Gal^ | i would commit it tomorrow | 16:23 |
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| rakhmerov | good | 16:23 |
| rakhmerov | so on that topic (L-3 progress) I exactly wanted to ask you all if you see any issues with getting your BPs/bugs done | 16:23 |
| rakhmerov | should you have any concerns let us know | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | NikolayM: I see that you assigned all documentation BPs to L-3 | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | is it by mistake you're really planning to get them all done? | 16:24 |
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| rakhmerov | ..or you're.. | 16:25 |
| NikolayM | I'll try to do them all | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | hm... you feel brave! :) | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | it's good | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:25 |
| ^Gal^ | :D | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | NikolayM: please update their statuses | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | they are now all marked as "Unknown" | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | and assign all you're planning to work on to yourself | 16:27 |
| NikolayM | I reassign all on which I don't have much time | 16:27 |
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| NikolayM | yep, I mark only ones I am starting to work on | 16:27 |
| rakhmerov | ok, great | 16:28 |
| rakhmerov | I just went over the BPs and it seems like we're mostly fine | 16:28 |
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| rakhmerov | we have one and a half weeks | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | it's ok | 16:29 |
| xylan_kong | rakhmerov: i found some of my bps were 'lost'... | 16:29 |
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| rakhmerov | we need to try to push most of the patches this week | 16:29 |
| ^Gal^ | btw, post code freeze, we don't currently have any bugs on mistral-dashboard (correct me if I'm wrong) so what should we work on after? | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | xylan_kong: which ones? | 16:29 |
| xylan_kong | rakhmerov: the service api on server side and client side | 16:29 |
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| rakhmerov | as far as server side I guess they were assigned to l-2 | 16:30 |
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| xylan_kong | i just can't find them among all the bps | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | ^Gal^: yeah, we can keep fixing bugs till the very end of Liberty | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | xylan_kong: it's weird | 16:30 |
| xylan_kong | rakhmerov: yeah | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | let me check that later offline | 16:30 |
| xylan_kong | rakhmerov: ok | 16:31 |
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| rakhmerov | #action akhmerov, xylan_kong: figure out the destiny of Service API blueprints (server and client side) | 16:31 |
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| xylan_kong | thanks | 16:32 |
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| rakhmerov | I actually don't have anything else to discuss | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | :) | 16:33 |
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| rakhmerov | does anyone have? | 16:33 |
| xylan_kong | https://bugs.launchpad.net/mistral/+bug/1488157 | 16:33 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1488157 in Mistral "Executions and action_executions remain unremoved after functional testing" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Lingxian Kong (kong) | 16:33 |
| xylan_kong | i found this bug | 16:33 |
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| xylan_kong | and i'm working on that | 16:33 |
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| xylan_kong | for execution, i have already uploaded a patch | 16:34 |
| xylan_kong | but for action execution i think i need a bp to have it done | 16:34 |
| xylan_kong | bp: support action execution deletion | 16:34 |
| xylan_kong | want to have it discussed | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | mm | 16:34 |
| xylan_kong | to see your opinion | 16:34 |
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| rakhmerov | yes | 16:34 |
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| rakhmerov | please do discuss it | 16:35 |
| xylan_kong | NikolayM: you here? | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | isn't action execution deletion supported yet? | 16:35 |
| xylan_kong | rakhmerov: no | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | really? | 16:35 |
| NikolayM | xylan_kong, yep | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | but we have an endpoint for action executions, right? | 16:36 |
| xylan_kong | rakhmerov: yes | 16:36 |
| xylan_kong | but without deleting action | 16:36 |
| rakhmerov | with no "delete" method? | 16:36 |
| rakhmerov | hm... | 16:36 |
| xylan_kong | NikolayM: what do you think | 16:36 |
| NikolayM | I think they should be deleted within task execution which they belongs to | 16:36 |
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| xylan_kong | NikolayM: but for ad-hoc actions, you can't do that | 16:37 |
| NikolayM | and the same for the task executions and workflow executions | 16:37 |
| xylan_kong | ad-hoc action_execution | 16:37 |
| NikolayM | ooh, yes, correct | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | aha | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | yep | 16:37 |
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| NikolayM | need to delete them separately | 16:37 |
| xylan_kong | without that feature, we can't purge them all during functional test | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | I'm ok with adding "delete" method | 16:37 |
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| xylan_kong | ok, i'll continue to do this | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:38 |
| NikolayM | ok | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | it's weird that we don't have this method | 16:39 |
| rakhmerov | but have it for workflow executions | 16:39 |
| rakhmerov | ok, it's not a serious issue | 16:39 |
| rakhmerov | just need to fix it | 16:39 |
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| rakhmerov | alright | 16:39 |
| rakhmerov | thanks for bringing this up | 16:39 |
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| xylan_kong | ad-hoc action execution was added just a month ago | 16:39 |
| rakhmerov | xylan_kong: just small clarification, we usually use 'ad-hoc action' term for a little bit different thing | 16:40 |
| xylan_kong | rakhmerov: for testing? | 16:40 |
| rakhmerov | although it may be used for separate action executions as well I think :) | 16:40 |
| xylan_kong | debuging? | 16:40 |
| xylan_kong | rakhmerov: oh | 16:41 |
| xylan_kong | rakhmerov: i got you | 16:41 |
| rakhmerov | no, we call "ad-hoc actions" those actions that we created purely in Mistral DSL | 16:41 |
| rakhmerov | in YAML | 16:41 |
| xylan_kong | so, i change it to 'ad-hoc action exeuction' :0( | 16:41 |
| rakhmerov | it refers to action definition rather | 16:41 |
| rakhmerov | yes :) | 16:41 |
| rakhmerov | that's ok, I'm just clarifying | 16:41 |
| xylan_kong | rakhmerov: ok | 16:41 |
| rakhmerov | it can really be used like you said | 16:42 |
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| rakhmerov | ad-hoc action execution | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | it really means that | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | :) | 16:42 |
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| NikolayM | I'd like to name it 'single action execution' | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | yeah | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | just not to confuse | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | anything else guys? | 16:43 |
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| NikolayM | nothing from my side | 16:43 |
| ^Gal^ | same as for me | 16:44 |
| xylan_kong | nothing from me | 16:44 |
| NikolayM | let's end the meeting | 16:44 |
| rakhmerov | m4dcoder? | 16:44 |
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| m4dcoder | nothing from me. | 16:45 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, let's end the meeting | 16:45 |
| NikolayM | thanks guys for attending! | 16:45 |
| rakhmerov | NikolayM: cay you do this pls? | 16:45 |
| m4dcoder | thx | 16:45 |
| rakhmerov | thanks! | 16:45 |
| xylan_kong | thanks | 16:45 |
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| rakhmerov | bye | 16:45 |
| NikolayM | #endmeeting | 16:45 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 24 16:45:25 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2015/mistral.2015-08-24-16.01.html | 16:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2015/mistral.2015-08-24-16.01.txt | 16:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2015/mistral.2015-08-24-16.01.log.html | 16:45 |
| ^Gal^ | bye have a good week | 16:45 |
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| Sayali_ | Hello | 17:00 |
| matjazp | hi all | 17:00 |
| rluethi | hey | 17:00 |
| matjazp | should we start? | 17:01 |
| rluethi | sure | 17:01 |
| matjazp | #startmeeting training-guides | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 24 17:01:10 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is matjazp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: training-guides)" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_guides' | 17:01 |
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| matjazp | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/training-guides#Weekly_training-guides_Meeting | 17:01 |
| matjazp | roll call | 17:02 |
| annegentle | hey matjazp | 17:02 |
| Sayali_ | Here | 17:02 |
| matjazp | hey annegentle | 17:02 |
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| rluethi | here | 17:02 |
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| matjazp | hey Sayali_, rluethi | 17:03 |
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| matjazp | #topic status of the project | 17:03 |
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| cloudtrainme | Here and new to the party! | 17:03 |
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| matjazp | hey cloudtrainme | 17:03 |
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| cloudtrainme | Hello, hello. | 17:04 |
| Sayali_ | Hello cloudtrainme and welcome :) | 17:04 |
| matjazp | cloudtrainme: maybe a short intro from your side? | 17:05 |
| cloudtrainme | Sure thing. I work for Rackspace on the OpenStack training team. | 17:05 |
| matjazp | cloudtrainme: you're a trainer? | 17:05 |
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| cloudtrainme | Been doing OpenStack training since 2011 | 17:05 |
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| rluethi | so where were you in the past year or so when we needed you? :-) | 17:06 |
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| matjazp | cloudtrainme: nice, I'm really glad that you joined | 17:06 |
| cloudtrainme | lol...I know..I know...here now, I've got some catching up to do | 17:06 |
| cloudtrainme | ready to jump in | 17:06 |
| matjazp | cloudtrainme: great to hear that.. | 17:07 |
| matjazp | we're just starting to discuss a status of the project | 17:07 |
| matjazp | so we need to define a new scope | 17:07 |
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| matjazp | labs are now a separate project, we need to update our scope | 17:07 |
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| matjazp | we have to focus areas: upstream training and training slides | 17:08 |
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| matjazp | upstream training is actively maintained, training slides had stalled | 17:08 |
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| matjazp | we need to restart the effort | 17:09 |
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| matjazp | any comments? | 17:09 |
| rluethi | labs is a separate project, but still needs feedback from users in training-guides. | 17:10 |
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| cloudtrainme | are the slides in Github? | 17:11 |
| matjazp | rluethi: sure | 17:11 |
| matjazp | rluethi: I see no problems here | 17:11 |
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| matjazp | cloudtrainme: yes, slides are in openstacks git | 17:11 |
| matjazp | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Training-guides | 17:11 |
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| matjazp | some useful, (but now a bit outdated) info about the project | 17:12 |
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| rluethi | isn't there a mirror on github, too, for those who prefer to work against github? | 17:12 |
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| matjazp | rluethi: read only mirror? | 17:12 |
| rluethi | matjazp: something like that. | 17:13 |
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| rluethi | matjazp: I know there used to be mirrors of openstack projects on github, and we used to have github URLs all over the documentation. | 17:13 |
| annegentle | rluethi: yeah that was basically unmaintainable and a mess :) | 17:14 |
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| annegentle | plus I don't think the RST toolchain lets you do that | 17:14 |
| matjazp | maybe we can discuss these statuary changes (scope of the project) on ML? We have bigger visibility there, and more community members can chip in | 17:14 |
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| annegentle | matjazp: other than slides, what do trainers need? | 17:14 |
| annegentle | matjazp: I've always wondered why re-write docs | 17:15 |
| matjazp | annegentle: slides are not really rewritten docs | 17:15 |
| rluethi | annegentle: that's pretty much why we dropped the docs from training-guides. | 17:15 |
| rluethi | annegentle: and what matjazp said. | 17:16 |
| annegentle | matjazp: right, slides are a good deliverable. Docs, not so much "good" from a maintenance / accuracy concern. | 17:16 |
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| annegentle | matjazp: wondering if a deliverable focus is the conversation we need to have | 17:16 |
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| annegentle | matjazp: or, is it a "framework for trainers to get to know each other" that's needed? | 17:17 |
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| matjazp | annegentle: sean had a separate group for trainers | 17:17 |
| annegentle | matjazp: I think your ML post is for slides only, just clarifying | 17:17 |
| matjazp | annegentle: it was at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/trainers | 17:17 |
| annegentle | matjazp: ah, even better -- I like your narrow scope then | 17:17 |
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| matjazp | annegentle: yes, this is a small community, so we need to focus on some things. When we have larger commmunity, we can expand | 17:18 |
| annegentle | matjazp: good on ya | 17:18 |
| matjazp | we were spread to thin in the past | 17:19 |
| annegentle | matjazp: also I hadn't realized your email didn't go to the -docs mailing list, sorry | 17:19 |
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| matjazp | annegentle: well, you said to reply to that thrread, and I thought that was deliberate | 17:19 |
| matjazp | annegentle: i just hit reply all ;) | 17:20 |
| annegentle | matjazp: heh I thought the original thread was also to the -docs mailing list | 17:20 |
| annegentle | so just count me befuddled and confused about To: headers :) | 17:20 |
| annegentle | matjazp: great email, sounds like good next step | 17:20 |
| matjazp | annegentle: I intended to repost it to docs ML, but I wanted to solicit some feedback from the cores first | 17:21 |
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| annegentle | matjazp: sure, give it a turn of the sun to get the other side of the world I spose | 17:21 |
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| matjazp | annegentle: hehe, feeling a bit poetic today? | 17:21 |
| annegentle | matjazp: heh | 17:22 |
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| matjazp | ok, so we agree, that we need to refocus and define a scope of the project again on Docs ML? | 17:22 |
| annegentle | matjazp: ayup | 17:23 |
| matjazp | #action matjazp sends an email about the scope of the project to the Docs ML | 17:23 |
| matjazp | can we move on? | 17:23 |
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| matjazp | #topic bug queue | 17:24 |
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| matjazp | I cleaned up the project's bug queue (it went from 59 to 6) | 17:24 |
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| matjazp | roger, sayali : there is still 4 labs bugs there, I don't know where to move them? manuals queue? | 17:25 |
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| annegentle | matjazp: link please? | 17:25 |
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| matjazp | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-training-guides/ | 17:26 |
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| matjazp | some spring.. uh.. summer cleaning :) | 17:26 |
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| matjazp | speciality teams use openstack-manuals' queue, right? | 17:27 |
| annegentle | matjazp: not really, security has its own queue for example | 17:28 |
| annegentle | rluethi: where would you like to track bugs for the labs? | 17:28 |
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| rluethi | annegentle: I dunno (yet). What do you suggest? | 17:28 |
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| annegentle | matjazp: rluethi since it's a separate repo I suggest bugs.launchpad.net/<reponame> | 17:29 |
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| rluethi | annegentle: makes sense. do we need to do something to set this up? | 17:29 |
| matjazp | like https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-labs? | 17:29 |
| annegentle | rluethi: yep, all can be done on launchpad | 17:29 |
| matjazp | whats the labs new repo name? | 17:30 |
| annegentle | rluethi: match the repo name and the github org sorts for "where is this?" I believe | 17:30 |
| rluethi | matjazp: "openstack-labs" is the last I heard. | 17:30 |
| matjazp | #action rluethi sayali make new bugs queue and move labs bugs there | 17:30 |
| rluethi | annegentle: neat | 17:31 |
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| matjazp | is that ok? | 17:31 |
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| annegentle | rluethi: ah, I don't have it in an email thread | 17:32 |
| rluethi | matjazp: ok. I am a bit under water right now, so please ping me if it's not done soonish. | 17:32 |
| annegentle | rluethi: I'd suggest training-labs | 17:33 |
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| matjazp | rluethi: sure, there's no hurry | 17:33 |
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| annegentle | repo: openstack/training-labs, launchpad: openstack-training-labs | 17:33 |
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| rluethi | annegentle: I think we wanted to move away from the term "training" because the labs scripts are not only for training. | 17:33 |
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| annegentle | rluethi: hm. what about devstack's scripts then? | 17:35 |
| annegentle | rluethi: those are used in labs | 17:35 |
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| annegentle | rluethi: not bikeshedding really trying to avoid confusion | 17:35 |
| rluethi | annegentle: not really, only a devstack library. but I'm afraid we are hijacking the training-guides meeting here. | 17:36 |
| annegentle | rluethi: ok | 17:36 |
| matjazp | move on? | 17:36 |
| annegentle | matjazp: sure | 17:36 |
| matjazp | #topic prepare Upstream material for the Tokyo summit | 17:36 |
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| annegentle | rluethi: just "not openstack-manuals" is my message then :) | 17:36 |
| matjazp | annegentle: I am a bit in the dark here | 17:36 |
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| rluethi | annegentle: no worries | 17:37 |
| matjazp | Tim will be doing this in Tokio, right? | 17:37 |
| annegentle | matjazp: the slides are used for upstream training currently | 17:37 |
| annegentle | matjazp: who's tim? | 17:37 |
| matjazp | Tim Freund | 17:38 |
| matjazp | isn't he replacing reed there? | 17:38 |
| annegentle | matjazp: ah, didn't know the name | 17:38 |
| matjazp | for Upstream training in Tokyo | 17:38 |
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| matjazp | or am I wrong? | 17:38 |
| annegentle | matjazp: so typically the Foundation staff work with the community, did Tim add it to the agenda? | 17:38 |
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| matjazp | I remember I read this somewhere | 17:39 |
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| annegentle | matjazp: openstack-dev mailing list | 17:39 |
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| annegentle | was it this? | 17:40 |
| annegentle | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-August/071690.html | 17:40 |
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| matjazp | yes, I guess so | 17:40 |
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| matjazp | or some other PR regarding it | 17:40 |
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| matjazp | we usually refreshed the material right before the upstream training | 17:41 |
| matjazp | I can ping Tim if we do the same this year | 17:41 |
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| annegentle | yep | 17:41 |
| Sayali_ | Sorry lost connection | 17:41 |
| matjazp | or if you know anything else about it | 17:42 |
| annegentle | matjazp: not a thing :) | 17:42 |
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| matjazp | #action matjazp pings Tim about Upstream training update plan | 17:42 |
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| matjazp | #topic shorter versions of the upstream training | 17:43 |
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| matjazp | Sean already has some material for 2 or 4 hour versions, more suitable for user groups | 17:43 |
| matjazp | to avoid duplication of the content between longer and shorter versions of the slides, I propose to build this shorter versions with an automated process of “cherrypicking” the right slides from the longer version (so we can just define the which slides from the longer version would appear in 2 and which in 4 hour versions). This way, it will be easier to maintain. | 17:43 |
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| matjazp | longer Upstream for the "classic" Upstream training at Summits, shorter for more focused at user groups trainings | 17:44 |
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| matjazp | I guess this means some new code for a special utility... any takers? | 17:46 |
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| matjazp | a granularity is a whole slide | 17:47 |
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| matjazp | comments? is idea ok? or unnecessary? | 17:48 |
| matjazp | we can also maintain two or three versions of the slides, but I'm afraid it means much more work | 17:49 |
| matjazp | and we already don't have a lot of contributors | 17:49 |
| cloudtrainme | A single version sounds wise from my rookie perspective. | 17:49 |
| annegentle | matjazp: have to agree with Tony, you don't have resources yet to do versions | 17:50 |
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| matjazp | cloudtrainme: yes, I think so too. | 17:50 |
| annegentle | matjazp: plus it's more to explain to both consumers and maintainers | 17:50 |
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| matjazp | ok, so the idea is ok, now we need someone that implements it :) | 17:51 |
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| matjazp | sean already has shorter versions tested in his user groups meetings, we also need to merge this with the original conetnt | 17:52 |
| matjazp | content | 17:52 |
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| matjazp | ok.. looks like we agree it's a good idea, but we need to find someone to implement it. I can file a bug | 17:54 |
| matjazp | in the mean time, we update/maintain just the longer version | 17:54 |
| matjazp | #topic any other business? | 17:54 |
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| matjazp | cloudtrainme: if you need help with understanding anything here, please just ask | 17:55 |
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| cloudtrainme | I appreciate the welcome...I'll be sure to reach out on things I'm not clear about. | 17:56 |
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| annegentle | thanks matjazp for picking up! | 17:56 |
| matjazp | cloudtrainme: no problem | 17:56 |
| matjazp | anything else? | 17:57 |
| rluethi | yeah, a big round of applause for matjazp! | 17:57 |
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| annegentle | hip, hip hooray matjazp! | 17:57 |
| matjazp | hey, lets just revive this and I'm good :) | 17:58 |
| matjazp | were out of time | 17:58 |
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| rluethi | and we are done, too. | 17:58 |
| matjazp | thanks for comming | 17:58 |
| rluethi | bye, everyone | 17:58 |
| cloudtrainme | bye all | 17:59 |
| matjazp | bye all | 17:59 |
| matjazp | #endmeeting | 17:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 24 17:59:09 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2015/training_guides.2015-08-24-17.01.html | 17:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2015/training_guides.2015-08-24-17.01.txt | 17:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2015/training_guides.2015-08-24-17.01.log.html | 17:59 |
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| sarob | #startmeeting akanda | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 24 18:00:23 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: akanda)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'akanda' | 18:00 |
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| sarob | hello hello | 18:00 |
| adam_g | o/ | 18:00 |
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| puranamr | o/ | 18:00 |
| sarob | agenda can be found here | 18:01 |
| sarob | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/akanda#Agenda | 18:01 |
| markmcclain | o/ | 18:01 |
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| sarob | lets start | 18:02 |
| sarob | #topic outstanding actions | 18:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "outstanding actions (Meeting topic: akanda)" | 18:03 | |
| davidlenwell | o/ | 18:03 |
| sarob | #info tag liberty milestone 2, remove liberty milestone 3, start liberty rc1 | 18:03 |
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| sarob | tags are done | 18:03 |
| sarob | lm3 is out | 18:03 |
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| sarob | i need to merge the updated pbr version before i cut rc1 | 18:04 |
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| sarob | https://review.openstack.org/197790 | 18:04 |
| sarob | https://review.openstack.org/215950 | 18:04 |
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| sarob | https://review.openstack.org/197791 | 18:04 |
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| sarob | almost there | 18:05 |
| sarob | cool | 18:06 |
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| sarob | thx markmcclain | 18:06 |
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| sarob | ill cut the tarballs and such right after the meeting | 18:06 |
| markmcclain | sorry.. I had the tabs open but had not scored them | 18:06 |
| davidlenwell | hey sarob.. if you add akanda-core to all the stuff you want eyes on it ads all of us to the review list and then they will show up in everyones review queue | 18:06 |
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| sarob | true, will do in future | 18:07 |
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| sarob | #info bug https://launchpad.net/bugs/1481463 | 18:08 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1481463 in akanda "cant delete akanda ports" [High,Fix committed] - Assigned to Adam Gandelman (gandelman-a) | 18:08 |
| sarob | its merged as well, so action complete | 18:08 |
| sarob | i believe that is all actions from the last meeting | 18:08 |
| sarob | outstanding | 18:09 |
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| sarob | #topic critical bugs | 18:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "critical bugs (Meeting topic: akanda)" | 18:09 | |
| sarob | https://bugs.launchpad.net/akanda/+bug/1470673 | 18:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1470673 in akanda "pbr version numbering doesn't match semantic versioning" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Sean Roberts (sarob) | 18:09 |
| sarob | https://bugs.launchpad.net/akanda/+bug/1481877 | 18:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1481877 in akanda "stable/juno branches are versioned incorrectly" [Critical,New] - Assigned to Sean Roberts (sarob) | 18:09 |
| sarob | first is solved from the semver patches | 18:10 |
| sarob | second is a bit of cleanup i will verify is complete | 18:11 |
| sarob | part of it was overlapping from the semver bug | 18:11 |
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| sarob | adam_g: this was the bug you reported, sound right? | 18:12 |
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| sarob | we will come back to this | 18:13 |
| sarob | moving on | 18:13 |
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| sarob | #topic progress on liberty rc1 bp | 18:14 |
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| sarob | #link https://launchpad.net/akanda/+milestone/liberty-rc1 | 18:14 |
| sarob | #info appliance provisioning driver | 18:15 |
| sarob | davidlenwell: update on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/akanda/+spec/appliance-provisioning-driver | 18:15 |
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| davidlenwell | have several patches in flight that address this blueprint.. anticipate landing most of them over the next 10 days or so depending on review feedback. | 18:16 |
| adam_g | sorry, my power went out. just got back online via tether | 18:16 |
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| adam_g | sarob, https://bugs.launchpad.net/akanda/+bug/1481877 is separate from the semver stuff on master. stable/juno is versioned as kilo | 18:17 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1481877 in akanda "stable/juno branches are versioned incorrectly" [Critical,New] - Assigned to Sean Roberts (sarob) | 18:17 |
| sarob | ah, right of course | 18:18 |
| sarob | I will push those patches today | 18:18 |
| sarob | i was reading the last paragraph first | 18:18 |
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| sarob | davidlenwell: sorry about that | 18:19 |
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| sarob | davidlenwell: what work is remaining so you are ready to merge | 18:20 |
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| davidlenwell | still have to add patches that integrate the driver into the worker and abstracts much of instance_manager | 18:21 |
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| davidlenwell | and tests tests tests | 18:21 |
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| sarob | davidlenwell: is that broken out in the spec yet? | 18:23 |
| davidlenwell | yes | 18:23 |
| sarob | populate.py section | 18:23 |
| davidlenwell | its part of making the rouer driver | 18:24 |
| davidlenwell | not related to populte | 18:24 |
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| sarob | so router.py creates workers and populate.py connects them | 18:27 |
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| davidlenwell | no.. not at all | 18:27 |
| sarob | explain then please | 18:27 |
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| davidlenwell | I'm not sure this is the right time/place to explain the underlying architecture of our code.. but a router in this context could refer to the logicial resource in neutron.. or you could be reffering to the chunk of code that is to abstract all the router configuration and life cycle that is not shared behaviors with other types of services we want to manage the life cycle of. | 18:29 |
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| markmcclain | I think we can kick this around in #akanda when we're done with the meeting | 18:30 |
| davidlenwell | populate currently is built to restore state when the rug comes on | 18:30 |
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| sarob | got it | 18:30 |
| davidlenwell | the reason I have to touch it for drivers is that we'll want to populate workers with routers, lb's , etc | 18:31 |
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| sarob | got it | 18:31 |
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| sarob | lets dig your code more on the #akanda channell as markmcclain suggests after the meeting | 18:32 |
| davidlenwell | sure | 18:32 |
| sarob | #info lbaasv2 support | 18:33 |
| sarob | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/akanda/+spec/lbaas-v2-support | 18:33 |
| davidlenwell | blocked on the previous topic | 18:33 |
| sarob | its blocked on the appliance provisioning driver | 18:33 |
| sarob | right, for the log | 18:33 |
| sarob | davidlenwell: anything else? | 18:33 |
| davidlenwell | nope | 18:33 |
| sarob | #info rug scaling | 18:33 |
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| sarob | adam_g: update on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/akanda/+spec/rug-scaling | 18:34 |
| adam_g | stack of patches still up review for that | 18:34 |
| sarob | those 4-5 patches should complete this bp | 18:34 |
| adam_g | yup | 18:34 |
| sarob | given no more work pops off the reviews | 18:35 |
| sarob | #info nodepool support | 18:36 |
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| sarob | update on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/akanda/+spec/nodepool-support | 18:36 |
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| adam_g | i hope to get cracking on that one this week or next | 18:37 |
| sarob | adam_g: ^ | 18:37 |
| adam_g | theres a spec up that could use some eyes | 18:37 |
| sarob | awesome | 18:37 |
| sarob | any community feedback on using tooz? | 18:38 |
| adam_g | sarob, what do you mean? | 18:38 |
| sarob | like has anyone else noticed we are planning on using tooz | 18:40 |
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| sarob | and given positive feedback on project reuse or anything like that | 18:40 |
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| adam_g | sarob, no, not that i know of | 18:41 |
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| sarob | okay no problem, not that we need to go fishing for it | 18:41 |
| sarob | just wondering | 18:42 |
| sarob | adam_g: anything else? | 18:42 |
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| adam_g | nothin from me | 18:43 |
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| adam_g | sorry, im wicked lagged tethering through my phone atm | 18:43 |
| sarob | no prob | 18:43 |
| sarob | #info doc updates | 18:44 |
| sarob | update on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/akanda/+spec/liberty-doc-updates | 18:44 |
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| sarob | i have been doing random cleanup | 18:44 |
| sarob | rather following the spec | 18:44 |
| sarob | im going to start on the what is akanda section this week | 18:45 |
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| sarob | i should be able to get that completed pretty quickly | 18:45 |
| puranamr | sarob: i have started adding some docstrings, i could continue as cycles permit | 18:45 |
| sarob | the other sections will come over sept | 18:46 |
| sarob | puranamr: thanx! | 18:46 |
| sarob | thats all for rc1 bp updates | 18:46 |
| sarob | #topic any other business | 18:46 |
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| sarob | smcginnis: are you around? | 18:47 |
| sarob | smcginnis has started giving reviews and submitting patches | 18:48 |
| sarob | smcginnis: i wanted to say thanks | 18:48 |
| sarob | anyone else for any other biz? | 18:49 |
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| markmcclain | nothing from me | 18:49 |
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| adam_g | nope | 18:51 |
| puranamr | nothing from me too | 18:51 |
| sarob | so lets break a bit early | 18:51 |
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| sarob | cheers! | 18:51 |
| sarob | #endmeeting | 18:51 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 24 18:51:52 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/akanda/2015/akanda.2015-08-24-18.00.html | 18:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/akanda/2015/akanda.2015-08-24-18.00.txt | 18:51 |
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| geoffarnold | o\ | 19:01 |
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| Rockyg | o/ | 19:01 |
| Shamail | Yep. | 19:01 |
| DericHorn-HP | Here | 19:01 |
| barrett1 | #startmeeting Product Working Group | 19:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 24 19:02:03 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is barrett1. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:02 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'product_working_group' | 19:02 |
| kencjohnston | o/ | 19:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | o/ | 19:02 |
| geoffarnold | o\ | 19:02 |
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| barrett1 | Roll Call | 19:02 |
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| barrett1 | Hi All | 19:02 |
| barrett1 | Agenda for today is available: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team | 19:03 |
| Shamail | Hi everyone | 19:03 |
| kencjohnston | johnthetubaguy can you join the bridge? | 19:03 |
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| jcook | o/ | 19:04 |
| barrett1 | #topic Nova Specs & CPL Plans | 19:04 |
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| johnthetubaguy | kencjohnston: in now :) | 19:04 |
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| barrett1 | Shamail will you lead this? | 19:04 |
| barrett1 | This is a follow-up from the pre-mid-cycle email thread on how PWG collaborates with Nova | 19:05 |
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| barrett1 | Product WG is looking to both create new user stories, defining new requirements, as well as collaborate on existing requirements and help close resource gaps | 19:08 |
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| barrett1 | We looked through the exisiting Nova priorities in our mid-cycle | 19:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/216167/ | 19:11 |
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| barrett1 | Thanks for adding add'l detail - to the project priorities and unresourced priorities | 19:16 |
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| barrett1 | CPL for Nova is Hugh Blemming | 19:16 |
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| barrett1 | Nova is open for new specs now | 19:24 |
| barrett1 | Would like to have all of the specs submitted well before the Design Summit, not after | 19:24 |
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| Shamail | Hi barrett1, can you document any outcomes? Unfortunately, I'm mobile today so talking and typing concurrently won't work. :( | 19:25 |
| barrett1 | Trying to Shamail... | 19:26 |
| barrett1 | Testable metrics - this was discussed as an element of a user story - both to communicate performance/scalability/reliability/etc requirements and tests to validate too | 19:27 |
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| barrett1 | Current bar is does the gate stay green | 19:29 |
| barrett1 | A number people can shoot for, would be v helpful | 19:29 |
| Shamail | #action Please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/216167 to find additional details on the additional items on the nova priorities list. We should discuss on the ML whether any teams are willing to help with them. - ALL | 19:29 |
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| barrett1 | #action User Story owners: Include a definition of performance target in each story | 19:35 |
| barrett1 | #action Jesse Cook and Rocky Grober: Get in touch with Tailgaters to discuss performance targets and how we can collaborate with them | 19:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | thanks all | 19:38 |
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| barrett1 | #action Follow-up on Testing Non-Functional requirements at our working session in Tokyo | 19:39 |
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| geoffarnold | Non-functional: performance (latency, request rate), scale (per project, per cloud), availability, upgrade outage | 19:40 |
| barrett1 | Plan is to use the requirements section in the User Story template to capture the non-functional testing requirements | 19:41 |
| barrett1 | #topic Mid-cycle Summary & Follow-up | 19:41 |
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| barrett1 | Mid-cycle etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/productwg-liberty-midcycle-meetup | 19:42 |
| barrett1 | Mid-cycle Action Tracker: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1N7UzJo80F0btlipaPsA5QDVhJJewMBCXmCsJRF1LcWs/edit?usp=sharing | 19:42 |
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| barrett1 | User Story Repository: https://drive.google.com/folderviewid=0BxtM4AiszlEyfm9UTW5LMEQ5cUhHbmFsSkd5WFNfdTMwVFIwRUM1TVFXSHhhWHl6VHlpRzg&usp=sharing | 19:43 |
| barrett1 | User Story Tracker: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1d1ZKuZ6gsiG6CXXrfONBwAGGHA8SYINbYC9BSPBKllI/edit#gid=1956934401 | 19:43 |
| barrett1 | GitHub Repo: https://github.com/openstack/openstack-user-stories/blob/master/HACKING.rst | 19:43 |
| barrett1 | Let's walk through the action tracker - this is a consolidation of action items from the 2 days | 19:44 |
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| Shamail | I missed the link :( (got disconnected) | 19:44 |
| barrett1 | Shamail: Which do you need? | 19:45 |
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| barrett1 | Updated Operator Tools Repo Action Item | 19:47 |
| geoffarnold | Off-topic: on the subject of public clouds: http://www.speakingofclouds.com/?p=381 | 19:48 |
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| Shamail | The action tracker | 19:49 |
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| barrett1 | #action Kenny Johnston Propose an Ops Tools Repo walk thru session to Tom Fifeld for Design Summit in Tokyo | 19:49 |
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| Shamail | geoffarnold: +1 on the need for a WG | 19:50 |
| kencjohnston | Operator Tools Repo - https://github.com/osops | 19:50 |
| barrett1 | #Action Carol - Break line 32 in the Action Tracker into the 4 User Stories | 19:50 |
| Shamail | #link Operator Tools Repo - https://github.com/osops | 19:50 |
| barrett1 | The 4 User Stories and Owners are: | 19:52 |
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| barrett1 | Capacity/Quota: Geoff Arnold, Steve Gordon, Jesse Cook | 19:52 |
| barrett1 | This is a compilation of several related user stories – see tracker for details | 19:52 |
| barrett1 | Lifecycle Management: Arkady Kanesky, Sean Cohen | 19:52 |
| barrett1 | On-boarding: Jay Kruemcke, Deric Horn | 19:52 |
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| barrett1 | Upgrades: Kenny Johnston , Keith Basil | 19:52 |
| geoffarnold | Not sure why all those user stories have a due date of 10/23, since during our conversation last week we were talking of "by Tuesday". I'm finishing mine tonight. | 19:53 |
| geoffarnold | (I'm listening to audio, but muted bc of ambient noise) | 19:53 |
| jcook | What's the link for the doc that is being actively gone through? | 19:54 |
| jcook | this: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/productwg-liberty-midcycle-meetup ? | 19:54 |
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| barrett1 | jcook: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1N7UzJo80F0btlipaPsA5QDVhJJewMBCXmCsJRF1LcWs/edit#gid=1444917275 | 19:54 |
| jcook | thanks! | 19:54 |
| geoffarnold | Right - I was confused about the uniform Tokyo date | 19:54 |
| geoffarnold | yes | 19:54 |
| Shamail | #link Generated HTML pages - http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/openstack-user-stories/ | 19:55 |
| barrett1 | #Action Carol add 4 top priority user story creation added to tracker | 19:55 |
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| barrett1 | Work flow for User Stories: Initial version goes into Draft; Comments, enhancements, etc are worked via Draft | 19:57 |
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| barrett1 | When someone indicates a resource commitment to a User Story in Draft, it transitions to Proposed | 19:58 |
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| barrett1 | Reminder: User Stories should be in the Draft repo ahead 8/31 team meeting | 20:02 |
| barrett1 | #endmeeting | 20:02 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/product_working_group/2015/product_working_group.2015-08-24-19.02.html | 20:02 |
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