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| ttx | #startmeeting releaseteam | 13:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Fri Sep 4 13:30:09 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 13:30 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'releaseteam' | 13:30 |
| ttx | dhellmann, dims: o/ | 13:30 |
| dims | o/ | 13:30 |
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| ttx | #topic liberty-3 postmortem | 13:31 |
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| ttx | let's wait a second for doug | 13:32 |
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| dims | ack | 13:32 |
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| dhellmann | o/ | 13:34 |
| ttx | o/ | 13:34 |
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| ttx | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-3 | 13:34 |
| * dhellmann apologizes for the delay | 13:34 | |
| ttx | lists a bit of our postmortem | 13:34 |
| ttx | anything that I missed ? | 13:35 |
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| dhellmann | I think those are the highlights | 13:35 |
| ttx | ok cool, let's talk next steps then | 13:35 |
| ttx | #topic Next steps in Liberty release | 13:36 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: you had an etherpad listing some | 13:36 |
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| dhellmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-end-of-release-requirements-checklist | 13:36 |
| ttx | So there are two sides I want to discuss | 13:36 |
| dims | "Some PTLs just don't show up" << sad! | 13:36 |
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| dhellmann | those are the dance steps for handling the branching sequencing | 13:36 |
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| ttx | Dance around requirements | 13:36 |
| ttx | and what we need to push everyone toward | 13:37 |
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| ttx | Let's talk about the latter first | 13:37 |
| ttx | The goal over the next weeks is to push everyone towards publication of their first RC | 13:37 |
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| ttx | we need at least one that we can fallback to for the release branch | 13:37 |
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| ttx | so we need RC1s for everyone in cycle-with-milestones | 13:38 |
| ttx | (and at least one intermediary for everyone in cycle-with-intermediary, but I thin that's covered already) | 13:38 |
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| ttx | There is no "date" for RC1, i would say it should definitely happen before end of month so that we don't eat our security margin | 13:39 |
| ttx | So this part of the release management is mostly about giving advice to PTLs | 13:39 |
| dhellmann | should we give a specific date as a goal, just to have it in people's minds? | 13:39 |
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| ttx | encourage them to stop adding features ASAP (only accept FFEs with an end in sight, stop accepting those asap) | 13:40 |
| ttx | I think the week of Sept 21 should be the target dat | 13:40 |
| ttx | all good if that's done before | 13:40 |
| dhellmann | I had the impression from most of the discussions I had with PTLs that they were going to be pretty strict with FFEs | 13:40 |
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| dhellmann | I like the 21st | 13:40 |
| ttx | yeah, I think they understand that it's not a stupid rule, it's actually the only sane way | 13:41 |
| dims | RC1's are cut from the stable/ branch? | 13:41 |
| ttx | Once FFEs are out of the way, the issue is RC bugs. They usually have more than they will fix, so at some point they need to get real and prioritize real release blockers | 13:41 |
| ttx | dims: stable is cut before or at RC1 | 13:42 |
| dims | ack thx | 13:42 |
| * ttx finds graphs | 13:42 | |
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| ttx | http://ttx.re/getting-to-havana.html has one | 13:43 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: how much of the stable branch stuff is automated? I have a script that works for libs, but it assumes a tag and milestone both exist already | 13:43 |
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| ttx | http://old-wiki.openstack.org/rc/ has the one we did for kilo but it's now a bit compressed | 13:43 |
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| ttx | it shows that things are mostly stable until they start cutting deep in the RC1 bug nominations and defer things | 13:44 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: we have scripts for cutting the branch, and scripts to tag the rc1 | 13:44 |
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| ttx | rccut / rcdelivery | 13:44 |
| dhellmann | ah | 13:44 |
| ttx | I updated them recently | 13:45 |
| dhellmann | oh, right, I reviewed those changes | 13:45 |
| * dhellmann hasn't had much tea yet today | 13:45 | |
| ttx | so for the next week we should focus on FFEs. The week after we should start focusing on limiting RC bugs | 13:46 |
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| ttx | I rewrite the FF page so that we are no longer on the hook for them, the PTL is the sole decider | 13:46 |
| ttx | rewrote | 13:46 |
| ttx | but I hope they will ask us when in doubt | 13:46 |
| ttx | and we can provide random advice | 13:47 |
| dims | haha | 13:47 |
| ttx | ripping out a DB layer for example doesn't make a great FFE | 13:47 |
| dhellmann | :-) | 13:47 |
| ttx | questions on that part ? | 13:47 |
| dims | sounds good | 13:47 |
| dhellmann | I think that's all clear | 13:48 |
| ttx | so now, the requirements dance part | 13:48 |
| ttx | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-end-of-release-requirements-checklist | 13:48 |
| ttx | the cross-check jobs are now running | 13:48 |
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| ttx | since we don't have any stable branch cut yet it's mostly testing master->master twice | 13:48 |
| ttx | but it will soon start being useful | 13:49 |
| ttx | I wanted to discuss the three steps we have left for this week in thoery | 13:49 |
| ttx | release "final" versions of Oslo libs | 13:49 |
| ttx | release "final" versions of Python clients | 13:49 |
| ttx | Softfreeze requirements | 13:49 |
| dhellmann | we don't list creating branches for the libs, should we do that as part of tagging what we think is the final version, or delay that? | 13:49 |
| ttx | there is "Cut Library stable branches" under FF+1 | 13:49 |
| dhellmann | oh, I missed that because I expected it to be done with the tags, but I guess a short delay makes sense | 13:50 |
| ttx | So... release "final" versions of Oslo libs -- how are we doing on that so far , | 13:50 |
| ttx | ? | 13:50 |
| dims | after 'release "final" versions of Oslo libs' we need to update g-r, before 'release "final" versions of Python clients' | 13:50 |
| ttx | dims: we just need to bump contraints, right | 13:51 |
| dims | we are doing good, last check only things unreleased were g-r updates and translation updates | 13:51 |
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| dims | ttx: y | 13:51 |
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| ttx | dims: should we plan a last round for Tuesday ? | 13:52 |
| dims | ttx: sounds great! | 13:52 |
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| * ttx check status for python clients real quick | 13:52 | |
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| ttx | openstack/releases makes that pretty easy | 13:53 |
| dims | ++ :) | 13:53 |
| ttx | though there is no date | 13:54 |
| ttx | no zaqarclient yet | 13:54 |
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| dhellmann | I'm building a report of all of the unreleased changes for the clients, but it's going to take a little bit | 13:55 |
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| ttx | swiftclient is 7 weeks old | 13:56 |
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| ttx | troveclient 3 months old | 13:56 |
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| dims | ttx: dhellmann: will read scrollback as i have a hard stop | 13:57 |
| dhellmann | dims: ack | 13:57 |
| ttx | manilaclient is 3 months old too | 13:57 |
| dhellmann | ttx: encouraging client releases is another thing we need to do more directly next cycle, I guess | 13:58 |
| ttx | keystoneclient 2 months old | 13:58 |
| dhellmann | this report is taking ages | 13:58 |
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| ttx | cinderclient 6 weeks old | 13:59 |
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| ttx | the others are relatively recent | 13:59 |
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| ttx | (less than a month) | 13:59 |
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| dhellmann | these are all pretty risky to release, though | 13:59 |
| dhellmann | since every one ends up being used in the gate | 14:00 |
| ttx | right, I'm just unsure we can cut stable/liberty from a 3months-old release and discard what was pushed after that | 14:00 |
| dhellmann | true | 14:00 |
| ttx | so we might need to push a bit | 14:00 |
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| ttx | #info need to push for library releases (client in particular) before we cut stable branches | 14:01 |
| dhellmann | my report script is hanging on ganttclient, so I'll fiddle with that today and send email to the -dev list encouraging releases | 14:01 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: about softfreezing requirements, we might want to schedule a requirements +2/-2 party | 14:02 |
| ttx | i.e. pair-review the backlog there | 14:02 |
| dhellmann | good idea | 14:02 |
| dhellmann | early tuesday? | 14:02 |
| dhellmann | or later today? | 14:02 |
| ttx | your call | 14:02 |
| ttx | better today all things considered | 14:03 |
| dhellmann | I'm up for doing it today | 14:03 |
| ttx | since that's when the freeze is supposed to take | 14:03 |
| ttx | maybe we can pull sdague in | 14:03 |
| sdague | what's up? | 14:03 |
| ttx | we might want to schedule a requirements +2/-2 party | 14:03 |
| dhellmann | we're thinking of doing a join requirements freeze review | 14:03 |
| ttx | i.e. pair-review the backlog there | 14:03 |
| ttx | approve last minute things and -2 the others | 14:03 |
| sdague | sure | 14:03 |
| sdague | yeh, fwiw, there is a novaclient one coming | 14:04 |
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| ttx | IIRC we did something similar last cycle | 14:04 |
| sdague | yep | 14:04 |
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| ttx | sdague: releases don't have to be final, they just need to be recent so that we can cut the stable branch from them | 14:04 |
| sdague | are you thinking today, or early next week? | 14:04 |
| dhellmann | ttx: here's some raw data on unreleased clients | 14:04 |
| dhellmann | #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/445440/ | 14:04 |
| ttx | sdague: we weree thinking today, sinc ethe freeze does in theory take effect today | 14:04 |
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| sdague | gotcha | 14:06 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: ok, anything else we need to discuss before we do the requirements review party? | 14:06 |
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| dhellmann | I don't think so. Do you want to go ahead and do that now? | 14:06 |
| ttx | yes, but back on our channel | 14:07 |
| dhellmann | k | 14:07 |
| ttx | let's close this | 14:07 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 14:07 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Sep 4 14:07:48 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:07 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2015/releaseteam.2015-09-04-13.30.html | 14:07 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2015/releaseteam.2015-09-04-13.30.txt | 14:07 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2015/releaseteam.2015-09-04-13.30.log.html | 14:07 |
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| geoffarnold | ping | 16:59 |
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| shaleh | sorry, been a hectic morning | 17:01 |
| geoffarnold | Me too | 17:02 |
| geoffarnold | And because of a firedrill David's going to be handling things from our side for a few days | 17:02 |
| shaleh | understood | 17:03 |
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| shaleh | he and I had a good meeting yesterday | 17:03 |
| geoffarnold | Good | 17:03 |
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| shaleh | looking forward to seeing the API spec completed and online | 17:03 |
| geoffarnold | Let's skip the IRC for now | 17:03 |
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| shaleh | I pointed him to my mercador-poc as a template of how to get his keystone connectivity | 17:04 |
| geoffarnold | Good | 17:04 |
| shaleh | so he should be progressing again | 17:04 |
| shaleh | I also walked him through my vagrant/ansible setup | 17:04 |
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| shaleh | I look forward to bugs and patches :-) | 17:04 |
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| geoffarnold | k | 17:04 |
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| shaleh | I am stumbling on the middleware but that should be sorted out soon | 17:05 |
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| geoffarnold | Orran and the MOC guys are looking forward to testing | 17:05 |
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| shaleh | I bet | 17:06 |
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| shaleh | if there is no business to discuss then let's call it | 17:07 |
| shaleh | move to adjourn? | 17:07 |
| geoffarnold | Seconded | 17:07 |
| geoffarnold | Have a good (long) weekend | 17:07 |
| shaleh | same to you | 17:07 |
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