Thursday, 2015-09-03

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thinrichsHi all.  Time for the Congress metting.00:00
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thinrichsWho is here today?00:00
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pballand(really nice of Coloquy to crash right as the meeting started)00:01
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alexsyiphi all00:02
thinrichsGlad you could all make it.00:03
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thinrichsI was just reviewing our action items from last week.00:03
thinrichsHere are mine….00:03
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thinrichs1. The 2 talks at the Tokyo summit that were Congress related are no longer overlapping.00:03
thinrichsOne is Wed and one is Thur, I believe.00:04
thinrichs2. We now have tempest tests gating every checkin.00:04
masahitoI saw the +1 from tempest test!00:05
thinrichsThere are only a couple of tempest tests actually running, but it's a start.00:05
thinrichs3. I met with the Sentinel team this week.00:05
mtreinishthinrichs: are you guys using the tempest plugin interface?00:06
thinrichsSentinel was the policy project covered by the Tokyo talk that happened at the same time as the Congress HOL previously.00:06
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thinrichsmtreinish: not that I know of.00:06
mtreinishthinrichs: ok, that's something that might be worth looking into then00:07
mtreinishyou can ping me tomorrow in -qa, and I can give a hand with it00:07
thinrichsmtreinish: agreed we should look into it.  I'll do my best to find you tomorrow.  But we've got feature freeze starting this week.00:08
mtreinishsure, np00:08
thinrichsmtreinish: thanks for the offer!  I'm looking forward to getting that all working more smoothly.00:09
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thinrichsBack to Sentinel.00:09
thinrichsLet me find the link to the schedule…00:09
thinrichsSearch for congress, and you can find the Sentinel talk.00:10
thinrichsHere's what I found out about the project.00:10
thinrichsThey're focused on security policies, typically enforced at the network layer.00:11
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thinrichsThough they expect to expand beyond that.00:11
thinrichsThey are building a standalone policy engine—a source of truth for policies that govern their applications.00:11
thinrichsThey enforcing those policies in several different clouds, built with differing technologies.00:12
thinrichsThat's why they saw the need for a *standalone* engine, so that the policy and its interpretation would exist outside of any of the different cloud technologies.00:12
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thinrichsThey're basing it on Amazon technology for IAM.00:13
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thinrichsThe basic policies they are interested in for now seem to be basically: which app can talk to which other app (and in which ways).00:15
thinrichsQuestions/comments about Sentinel?00:15
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masahitoMy first impression of Sentinel is it sounds like a standalone policy-engine only for networks.00:17
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masahitoSo, I thought we could co-work with Sentinel as a partner of Deligation.00:18
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thinrichsmasahito: The policies they write talk about apps, but they are focused on networking properties of those apps (or perhaps more precisely policies that can be enforced via the network).00:18
masahitooops. not Deligation, but Delegation.00:18
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thinrichsmasahito: I think Delegation is the right way to interact with Sentinel.00:19
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thinrichsThe nice thing is that they'll be making it work at massive scale, and they were happy to talk with us about their experiences.00:20
thinrichsIf there are no other questions, comments, that was my last action item from last week.00:21
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thinrichspballand, alexsyip: have you had a chance to discuss the HOL infrastructure for Tokyo?00:21
alexsyipI have not done any legwork on the hol infrastructure.00:22
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alexsyipLast year we had hosted VMs, but we don’t have to do it that way.00:23
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alexsyipI went to the GBP handson, and they provided a virtualbox image.00:23
alexsyipThe attendants each installed virtualbox and then loaded the image on their own machine.00:23
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alexsyipIt worked well, except for the extra time to install virtualbox.00:24
alexsyipThe attendants didn’t need to setup networking or ssh tunnels.00:24
thinrichsThe virtualbox approach sounds attractive.00:25
thinrichsEspecially since we don't need to worry about spinning up 200 VMs00:25
thinrichsAnd then the lab will work after the summit ends.00:25
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alexsyipyeah, I think it’s a nice way to go.00:25
masahitoI joined the HOL too.00:25
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thinrichsmasahito: what did you think?00:25
masahitothinrichs, alexsyip: I think providing a vitualbox image is a good idea.00:26
pballandso long as we can give attendees a heads up that they may want to download and instlal virtualbox ahead of time, that sounds fine to me00:26
pballand(virtualbox is an ~80MB download - with common conference wifi speeds, that could be a problem)00:27
thinrichsHow long does virtualbox take to download?00:27
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thinrichspballand: asked and answered simultaneously :)00:27
masahitopballand: They gave attendants a USB which includes VM images.00:27
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pballandmasahito: that makes sense00:28
pballandwere people sharing usb keys, or did they just give them away?00:28
masahitobut the number of the USB is less than attendans, so it was one of reason to delay starting HOL.00:29
alexsyipthere were fewer usb keys than attendants00:29
masahitopballand: they shared some usb key.00:29
alexsyipI think the USB key had the VM image, not virtualbox.00:29
masahitoalexsyip: I think so.00:29
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thinrichsAny reason not to put both the virtualbox and images on the USB keys?00:30
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alexsyipWe can do it any way we want.00:32
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thinrichsI like this line of thought.  I think it's worth trying in Tokyo.00:32
thinrichsWe can always fall back to hosted VMs if we have to, but I think USB keys are actually safer.00:32
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thinrichsalexsyip: let us all know what help you want getting the HOL ready.00:33
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thinrichsThe only other thing on my agenda is Liberty300:34
thinrichsThat happens this week.00:34
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thinrichsIt means we're in feature freeze right now.00:35
thinrichsMy plan is to take the tip of master tomorrow morning, do some testing, and assuming nothing is horribly broken cut a release candidate and the stable branch tomorrow.00:36
thinrichsOnce we do that we come out of feature freeze, and in parallel  (i) continue committing to master and (ii) eliminate bugs from our RC (by committing first to master and backporting to the stable branch).00:37
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thinrichsAny questions about feature freeze and branching?00:37
thinrichsalexsyip, pballand: Did you catch that we're not merging anything but bug fixes for the next day or two?00:38
thinrichsNext up is status updates.00:39
thinrichs#topic status00:39
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thinrichsJust 20 minutes left.00:40
thinrichsWho has something they need to discuss with the group?00:40
pballandI threw up a stub of the methods I’m thinking for DseNode:
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pballandthe file is pretty messy, but thought I would put it up so people could comment on the interface00:41
pballandbasically: the DseNode has start/stop/wait, dse_status, rpc_directory, invoke_rpc, service_directory, subscribe, unsubscribe00:42
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pballandthat’s it for me00:43
thinrichspballand: Great!00:44
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thinrichsLet's all make it a point to go through that code and make comments on the high-level functionality and interface.00:44
masahitopballand: I checked the patch, an thought hb is a so good idea in the architecture.00:44
thinrichsLet's hold off on comments about style until we all agree on the functionality.00:45
pballandif people want to play around, the file does start up a few nodes on the bus and communicate shared state00:45
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pballandthinrichs: yes, please - only looking for feedback on the interface for DseNode00:45
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thinrichsjwy: did I see some progress on the new UI from Yali?00:47
thinrichsjwy: how is that going?00:47
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jwyi did an initial review, had some questions00:47
jwysome files are missing, so i haven't tried it out myself yet00:48
jwywaiting for a reply00:48
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thinrichsjwy: thanks for keeping on top of that!00:49
thinrichsmasahito: want to give us an update?00:49
masahitoI'm working dist-api-*'s patch I'm assigned to.00:50
masahitoI think I can push a patch for table model today.00:51
masahitoThat's my update.00:51
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thinrichsmasahito: Thanks.00:52
thinrichsalexsyip: want to give an update?00:52
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alexsyipI don’t have much to update.00:52
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alexsyipI was looking through code reviews00:53
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thinrichsalexsyip: sounds good.00:54
thinrichsHere's my quick update.00:54
thinrichsI wrote a spec and the code to make the policy engine flexible enough to handle not knowing the schemas of rules with column references.00:55
thinrichsThen Yingxin pointed out a way of avoiding the problem that the code addresses.00:55
thinrichsI see masahito left some comments too.00:56
thinrichsIf you could each take a look, that'd be great.00:56
thinrichsHere's the code by the way.00:56
thinrichsSome of the code had been written months ago when we tried to do something similar but then abandoned.00:57
thinrichsSo this was basically trying to see how much work there would be and what the downsides are.00:57
thinrichsThe basic idea is that if there's a column reference and we don't know the schema, we'll disable the rule.00:57
thinrichsOnce the schema shows up, we enable the rule.00:58
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thinrichs2 minutes left.00:58
thinrichsAny last thoughts?00:58
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thinrichsOut of time.01:00
thinrichsThanks all!01:00
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Daisy#startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting06:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Sep  3 06:00:38 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is Daisy. Information about MeetBot at
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DaisyWho is around for I18n meeting ?06:01
FdotHello ò_06:02
DaisyHi, Fdot06:02
Fdothello Daisy06:02
DaisyGood morning. It's nice to have you here.06:02
FdotThank you :)06:02
DaisyI don't see any other people except we two.06:03
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DaisyIt looks like they all fell good to the coming Liberty translation. :)06:04
Fdothé hé hé hé :)06:04
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DaisyAnyway,let's start.06:05
Daisy#topic Zanata status and QA06:05
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DaisyAs Elizabeth said in her email, Zanata on production will be ready some time next week.06:05
DaisyThey have set up the launched a production instance and are working on final script fixes for translations imports, exports and gerrit proposals. Carlos and his team is working on a script for us to export and import the translations users.06:05
DaisyAs people are helping us on the environment setting, what we need to do is to set up our teams in the new environment.06:06
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DaisyFirstly, we will use translate-dev, and then the user information and team information will be exported to ( the production env)06:07
Fdotok it is more clear for me now :)06:07
Fdotso everything is going to be ready for the final rush06:07
DaisySo teams who has not set up in translate-dev, please hurry up, especially for those who want to have Horizon translations in Liberty release.06:07
DaisyThank you, Fdot06:07
DaisyNext topic.06:08
DaisyHi, ujuc06:08
Fdothello ujuc :)06:08
ujuchello Fdot :)06:08
DaisyWe just finished the first topic, about Zanata env. I see you have your teams in translate-dev, right ?06:08
ujuchi Daisy :)06:08
ujucyes :)06:09
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ianychoiHello :)06:09
Daisyhi, ianychoi.06:09
DaisyWe are moving to next topic.06:09
Daisy#topic Liberty translation plan and QA06:09
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ianychoisorry for late06:09
Fdothell ianychoi :)06:09
ianychoihello :)06:09
DaisyLiberty translation will start when the translation production env is ready.06:09
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DaisyMy plan is that our community translators will focus on Horizon translation in Liberty, as usually.06:10
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DaisyI have communicated with Horizon PTL.06:10
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DaisyThe translation plan is same as the previous version. The string freeze will happen when RC1 is released. RC2 will be only for translators.06:11
chandankumarDaisy, Hello06:11
Daisysorry, Hi, chandankumar06:11
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DaisyThat means, when we start Horizon translation, it is not string freezed. There might be new strings introduced. After RC1 is released, there will be no strings change.06:13
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DaisyI hope to get at least 10 days between RC1 and RC2. So we will have enough time to work after string freeze.06:13
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DaisyAnd we got a new Horizon liasion, Neill Cox.06:15
DaisyNeill will work closely with us as we are translating Horizon in this release.06:15
DaisyAny questions or concerns to Horizon translation ?06:15
ianychoiI see. Actually I am not familiar with liasion, could you briefly explain what Horizon liasion will do or add some link for more explanation?06:16
ianychoior just a reference06:17
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DaisyIn one word, Liberty translation is as usually, except we are using Zanata as our translation tool.06:18
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Daisyianychoi: liasion is like a representative or a connector between two teams06:20
Daisyianychoi: I failed to find the wiki page about liasion. After I find it, I will send to you.06:21
ianychoiAha.... I see.  thank you daisy :)06:21
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Daisyoh, just find it.06:25
DaisyIf no questions about Liberty translation, let's move to open discussions.06:25
Daisy#Open discussions06:25
Daisy#topic Open discussions06:25
Daisy#topic Open discussions06:25
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DaisyThe topic is not changed. Maybe I typed something wrong. Anyway, it's time for open discussions.06:25
Daisyujuc and ianychoi: are you able to go to Tokyo summit ?06:25
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Daisychandankumar: how about you?06:25
DaisyI believe you all have gotten the ATC codes for the summit.06:25
chandankumarDaisy, not coming06:25
chandankumarDaisy, i am going to pyconindia 2015, actually i am one of the organizer.06:25
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ianychoiDaisy,  Yes. I will attend Tokyo summit.06:26
Daisyoh, chandankumar, I'm sorry you are not able to go.06:26
chandankumarDaisy, will meet you in next summit :)06:26
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ianychoiThanks for that link :)06:26
DaisyGreat, ianychoi !06:26
ujucit's trying06:26
DaisyI'm planning the i18n session for Tokyo summit.06:27
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DaisyWe will have two working sessions and a half day meet up.06:27
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chandankumarDaisy, if you need any inputs during summit, i will be available through hangout06:28
DaisyIf you have any requests or anything want to talk (or share), please let me know. I will try my best to schedule.06:28
Daisychandankumar: thank you, could you send me some introduction information ?06:28
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chandankumarDaisy, About me?06:29
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chandankumarDaisy, Sure06:29
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ianychoiAha... not only , when will have i18n sessions?06:29
chandankumarianychoi, we have only one session for i18n06:30
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ianychoichandankumar, Daisy just said that we will have two working session and a half day meet up.06:32
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ianychoiHmm... daisy might have some network connection problems...06:34
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DaisyAnything else to talk today ?06:35
DaisyIf no, I will close the meeting and give time back to you.06:35
ianychoiDaisy, we have then two working sesions and one meet up during Tokyo summit?06:35
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DaisyYes, ianychoi, if Foundation won't reject my request, we will have 2 working sessions and 1 half day meet up.06:36
ianychoiI have found that there is one presentation from you on Tuesday, October 27. (11:15-55 am)06:36
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DaisyYes, it is, ianychoi. It's a public speech, to attract more people joining our team.06:37
ianychoiAha, I see. I thought that public speech is the same type as working sessions.. sorry for my wrong understanding06:37
DaisyNo, ianychoi. It's a different type.06:38
ianychoiThank you :)06:39
Daisyanything else ?06:39
ianychoiNo.. from me06:39
Daisyianychoi: you are welcome.06:39
ujucno :)06:39
Fdotok for mme :)06:39
DaisyLet me close the meeting.06:39
DaisyThank you all for attending, Fdot, ujuc, ianychoi and chandankumar06:40
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ianychoiThank you all06:40
Fdotthanks a lot Daisy :)06:40
chandankumarthank you Daisy :)06:40
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ujuchuk click miss.. bye :)06:41
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oomichi#startmeeting qa09:03
openstackMeeting started Thu Sep  3 09:03:09 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is oomichi. Information about MeetBot at
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oomichiHi, who all here today?09:03
oomichihi mkoderer, gmann, dmellado09:03
dmelladohi oomichi09:03
oomichiok, lets start meeting09:04
oomichi^^^ Today's agenda09:04
oomichi#topic Specs Reviews09:05
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oomichiso there are some qa-specs09:05
oomichiand most specs get -1s and I guess there are not so many topic now09:05
oomichisomeone want to talk about that?09:06
dmelladooomichi: I wanted also to know the state of the external plugins, but IIRC this is going to be covered later, isn't it?09:07
oomichidmellado: yeah, I also want to know :)09:07
oomichidmellado: and that will be the next topic ;)09:07
oomichiOk, let's move onto the next topic09:07
oomichi#topic Tempest09:08
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oomichiaccording to the agenda, the first topic is from me ;)09:08
oomichiI'd like to mention about current status of service client for tempest-lib09:09
mkoderer+1 for moving the clients to the lib09:09
oomichimkoderer: yeah, thanks09:09
mkodererdo you need some help? pls let me know if I can help with something09:09
oomichiwe are working for that on 3 topics09:09
oomichimkoderer: much thanks, you can help the above link patches :)09:10
gmannmkoderer: yea, it will be helpful. Thanks09:11
mkodereryeah I areadly reviewed a ton of them :)09:11
oomichiand most part of nova service clients are done.09:11
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oomichias the next step, I will migrate the compute service clients to tempet-lib09:11
gmannoomichi: almost all compute service client unit test patches are up09:12
gmannoomichi: only server client left-
oomichigmann: yeah, nice progress09:12
gmannoomichi: you are planning to working on that if not someone else can pick that up09:12
oomichigmann: yeah, thanks for pointing it out. that is difficult, and we need to implement it09:12
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oomichigmann: I will try it later after,n,z09:13
gmannoomichi: +1 Thanks09:13
mkodererok, I will start reviewing the unit test and then have a look the the etherpad09:14
oomichi#action: oomichi implements servers_client unit test09:14
oomichimkoderer: that will be very helpful09:14
gmannmkoderer: Thanks.09:14
oomichi#action mkoderer starts reviewing the unit test09:15
oomichimkoderer: ^^^ ;)09:15
oomichiso I'd like to ask mkoderer for the next topic09:15
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oomichiI'd like to know current status of external plugins09:15
dmellado+1 ;)09:15
mkodererthe manila plugin is ready for merge09:16
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mkodererbut we have a blocking novaclient bug currently in Manila :(09:16
mkodereranyway.. I hope that this will be merged within this week09:16
oomichioops, you are asking novaclient release09:16
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oomichican you catch someone ?09:17
oomichito release a new novaclient?09:17
mkodereroomichi: not yet..09:17
oomichiok, will check someone later09:17
mkodererso in general the external plugin works fine09:17
gmannmkoderer: wow :)09:18
oomichimkoderer: that is great :)09:18
mkodereropen issue is currently the dependency with tempest09:18
gmannmkoderer: dependency ?09:18
oomichimkoderer: what kind of dependency?09:18
dmelladomkoderer: what kind of dependency issues are you dealing with?09:18
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mkoderere.g. the work on the service clients broke the manila scenario tests09:18
mkoderersince the scenario test are using other clients and if the client is changed we have to adapt09:19
oomichioops, so we need to implement service client in tempest-lib asap, that will be helpful?09:19
gmannmkoderer: ahh, yea09:19
gmannmainly return value changes causing a  lot09:20
mkodererI talked to mtreinish and he doesn't like the idea to have a check job for Manila in tempest queue09:20
dmelladomkoderer: so then the manila scenario test will have to be rewritten? (or at least adapted?)09:20
mkodererdmellado: there are already adapted09:20
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dmelladomkoderer: great, thnx ;)09:20
oomichimkoderer: one question09:20
mkodererbut in the current state I need to checkout a commit-id from tempest to ensure that a change in tempest doesn't break the manila gate09:21
oomichimkoderer: on manila gate, do tempest tests also run?09:21
gmannmkoderer:  anything from pending return value changes can affect09:21
gmann# link,n,z09:21
oomichimkoderer: or do manila original tests only run?09:21
gmannso that we can try to merge that fast09:21
mkodereroomichi: no currently we only run manila api and manila scenario tests09:21
oomichimkoderer: that seems nice. and just using some service clients on manila tests, right?09:22
mkodererso with the commit-id we are save and can wait until everything needed is merged to tempest-lib09:22
mkodereroomichi: yeah I try to reduce the coupling as much as possible.. and scenario tests are one thing were we can't avoid it09:23
mkodererbut anyway I think we are on a good track09:23
oomichimkoderer: we are working for implementing nova service clients as the first step. and they will be stable for manila gate in near future09:23
mkodereroomichi: yeah that's cool09:24
mkodererdmellado: any other question to that topic?09:24
oomichimkoderer: so I don't have plan for the next step after nova service client. do you have any idea for the next service client?09:25
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gmannmkoderer: oomichi : may be server_client will affect -
dmelladomkoderer: I was thinking about if it would affect the whole scenario test set in the future, besides from manila09:25
oomichimkoderer: ok, I will concentrate on server_client09:25
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dmelladomkoderer: oomichi gmann Do you know what's in the plan for it, to get them back into each project or tempest will be still having a set of its own scenario tests09:26
dmelladoI'm kinda lost on that09:26
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mkodereroomichi: I need also network_client for the manila scneario tests09:27
oomichidmellado: After implementing external plugins in manila, basically we can use it on any projects ideally09:27
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oomichidmellado: but as mkoderer said, we will face problems if using tempest code09:27
mkodererwe could move the scenario test also to a seperate repo09:28
gmannmkoderer: i think network client is in good shape. for return value no changes required09:28
oomichidmellado: and we are working for making these tempest code as library09:28
mkoderergmann: ok fine :)09:28
dmelladooomichi: that means that at some point, every new scenario test would have to go into its own 'based project' repo, isn't it?09:28
oomichimkoderer: thanks. ok, next target is neutron service client.09:28
dmelladomkoderer: that'd be great, because what would happen if a scenario test makes use of more than 1 project09:28
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oomichidmellado: yeah, right.09:29
mkodereroomichi: thanks09:29
oomichidoes someone have more topic on this?09:30
oomichiit was very interesting for me :)09:30
oomichidmellado: ok for you ?09:30
dmelladooomichi: yep, was just thinking about those multi-project scenario tests, but we'll see eventually, thanks! ;)09:31
oomichi#action oomichi start implementing neutron service client after migrating nova service client to tempset-lib.09:31
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oomichiok, lets move to the next topic09:31
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oomichi#topic devstack09:32
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oomichijamielennox: hi09:32
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oomichimaybe not09:32
oomichihe wrote a topic on the agenda, but no attendence.09:33
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oomichido someone have any topics on devstack?09:33
oomichiok, lets move to the next topic09:33
dmelladoI was having again some issues with F22, will write it to the MK09:33
oomichidmellado: that is devstack?09:34
dmelladooomichi: yep09:34
dmelladoI was just writing when you switched topic ;)09:34
oomichidmellado: can you provide the link?09:34
oomichito share the issue09:35
dmelladooomichi: not now but I'll open a bug us and send the link to the ML09:35
oomichidmellado: ah, OK. that will be nice :)09:35
dmelladoso we can go to the next topic ;)09:35
oomichidmellado: ok :)09:35
oomichi#topic critical reviews09:36
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jlanouxI have a couple09:36
oomichiare there any patches which need reviews asap?09:36
jlanouxand #link This one is infra but if you can have a look that would be great. Thanks!09:37
gmannjlanoux: yea, i forgot to review that had open only. I will look into tomorrow09:37
dmelladooomichi, not really critical but I'd be great if you could review
jlanouxgmann: thanks!09:37
dmelladothanks! ;)09:38
oomichidmellado: that is good for me, will review later09:38
oomichiI also have some reviews09:39
oomichiare there more?09:40
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oomichidkranz: hi09:40
dkranzoomichi: hi :)09:41
oomichidkranz: we are talking critical reviews now09:41
oomichido you have any patches about that?09:41
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dkranzoomichi: just a sec09:41
oomichidkranz: ok :)09:42
dmelladohi dkranz ;)09:42
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mkodererdkranz: seems you are a real early bird :)09:43
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dkranzoomichi: oh, the one I wsa thinking of already merged09:43
dkranzmkoderer: I am not really here09:43
oomichidkranz: good news :)09:44
dkranzNeed to go back to bed09:44
mkodererdkranz: +109:44
oomichiok, lets move to the next topic09:44
oomichidkranz: yeah ;)09:44
oomichidkranz: sorry for catching you now09:44
oomichi#topic Code Sprint Reminder09:45
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dkranzoomichi: no worries. You did not wake me up :)09:45
oomichidkranz: :)09:45
mkodererso many people can't join the code sprint in person09:45
oomichiwe will have meetup on FortCollins09:46
dmelladoif considering the time zone, besides dkranz I guess so ;)09:46
gmannoomichi: do you know how that works remotely ? through etherpad only09:46
oomichimkoderer: yeah, it is09:46
oomichimkoderer: but mtreinish wanted that you join to it09:46
oomichimkoderer: I also09:46
oomichigmann: ah, nice question09:47
mkodereroomichi: I know... he wrote me an email.. but traval approval process is hell :(09:47
oomichimkoderer: I can know the situation, I also faced such thing..09:47
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mkodererI think remotley is quite probelmatic..09:48
gmannyea thats most common issue for meetup :)09:48
oomichigmann: there is not any hint for remotely09:48
dmelladooomichi: gmann I was checking that as well, but I guess it's meant to be real-time, isn't it?09:48
oomichidmellado: yeah, that should be real-time09:48
gmanndmellado: yea09:48
oomichidmellado: with skype or something09:48
mkodererI guess it would make sense to split into groups and do a google hangout for each of them09:49
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gmannmkoderer: +1, that will be good09:49
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dmelladomkoderer: +1 on that, or either try to duplicate it in EMEA region...09:49
oomichimkoderer: nice idea09:50
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oomichiOK, I will ask mtreinish how to make remote acess and write it on the wiki09:50
mkodererdmellado: I am not a big fan of duplication.. since how will we sync then.09:51
gmannoomichi: Thanks09:51
mkodereroomichi: +109:51
oomichi#action oomichi ask mtreinish how to make remote conference and write it on the wiki09:51
dmelladomkoderer: splitting the topics?09:51
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mkodererdmellado: ah you mean to do another meetup in EMEA?09:52
dmelladomkoderer: something like that, another meetup in EMEA with maybe some of the topics to be covered in the original one09:52
dmelladomkoderer: but maybe it's just too close to think about it, given that I can get enough coffee it'd be good to access it remote ;)09:53
mkodereryeah we are a bit on time pressure I think09:53
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oomichiif there are topics you need to join, it is nice to write available time on with UTC09:54
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oomichifor each topic09:54
oomichimaybe we will write code or review except the time ;)09:55
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oomichias code sprint09:55
dmelladooomichi: ;)09:55
oomichiok, lets move to the next09:56
oomichi#topic open discussion09:56
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oomichidoes someone want to talk about something?09:56
gmannnothing from my side09:57
oomichime too09:57
dmellado+1 here09:57
oomichimkoderer: do you ?09:57
mkodererno we can close the meeting09:57
mkodererthx folks09:58
oomichithanks all09:58
dmelladothnx, have a great day ;)09:58
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gmannThanks all09:58
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oomichiand please review critical ones ;)09:58
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johnthetubaguy#startmeeting Nova14:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Sep  3 14:00:25 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'nova'14:00
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* bswartz lurks...14:01
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johnthetubaguy#topic Release Status14:01
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johnthetubaguy#info we have tagged liberty-314:02
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dansmithI have a question about that14:02
johnthetubaguy#info there have been two "technical" FFEs granted, because the changes were approved but not merged
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johnthetubaguya few things got pushed out14:03
johnthetubaguydansmith: fire away?14:03
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dansmithjohnthetubaguy: the date for l3 is to day, right? wouldn't we normally tag at the end of the day in the last timezone? I was surprised to wake up and see -2s going out already14:03
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dansmiths/to day/today/14:04
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sdagueit usually happened whenever ttx could do it in the morning14:04
sdagueit used, to happen on tuesday in a branch14:04
dansmithI thought it was actually the morning after the actual day14:04
johnthetubaguyso we did push it some times14:05
sdagueno, it was always in the morning, so that there was a day of buffer if things went wrong14:05
johnthetubaguybut that was only to wait for approve stuff to merge14:05
johnthetubaguybut yeah, it was just a buffer for hard stops14:05
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johnthetubaguynow we can grant FFEs if we really need to14:05
dimsstring freeze is today too right?14:05
mriedemdims: should be14:06
johnthetubaguydims: its with the tag, I believe, so its now14:06
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johnthetubaguyso I think we are soft dependency freeze and string freeze14:06
sdagueso, it would be really good to get someone who's responsible for i18n and putting in the string freeze to actually communicate about it14:06
johnthetubaguysdague: yes, let me ask the release team about that14:06
sdagueI feel like we end up with a longish freeze, no idea where the translations are at or when they are done, and no idea about what impact breaking that freeze for bugs has14:07
dansmithwould be really nice if we could actually land our requirements thing now: :)14:07
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johnthetubaguy#action johnthetubaguy to get an answer about string freeze14:07
dansmithwith reqs frozen, there should be no more rebases of that right?14:07
mriedemdansmith: never14:07
johnthetubaguydansmith: yeah, crap I totally missed that hadn't merged14:07
mriedemdansmith: it seems to auto-rebase14:07
dansmithmriedem: I figured it was when new reqs land or something14:07
mriedemdiffs between patches don't actually show changes to the reqs file14:07
mriedemjust hte parent hash14:07
mriedemso that's fun14:08
johnthetubaguythats super fun14:08
dansmithwell, we could land most of it in a separate patch then maybe14:08
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mriedemi could totally do the exact same sync myself14:08
dansmithI can push that up if so14:08
mriedemusing the same tool14:08
mriedemthere is a tox job in the requirements repo for it14:08
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sdaguehonestly, there is nothing in the requirements update that probably impacts us anyway, so the fact that it's not in L3 is probably not a big deal14:08
mriedemsdague: there is14:09
sdaguemriedem: which?14:09
mriedemmin ovo version needed14:09
dansmithyeah, we're technically broken on o.vo right now14:09
mriedemfor new code in nova that only works with ovo 0.9.014:09
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sdagueoh, code was landed before that bumped?14:09
sdaguethat I didn't realize14:09
johnthetubaguysdague: yup14:09
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mriedemi will remember to -2 all of dansmith's changes next release :)14:10
johnthetubaguywell, anyways, with all that fun, any more?14:10
dansmiththat code would have never merged if it waited on this though, so fixing the auto rebase thing would be good ...14:10
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dansmithjohnthetubaguy: so I want to plug the objects bump work14:10
garykwhat is o.vo?14:10
johnthetubaguydansmith: oh totally14:10
dansmithjohnthetubaguy: begging for reviews, whenever you want that in here :)14:10
dansmithbecause it's had none14:10
dansmithand I'm going to be pissed if I did this *again* and it didn't land *again* because nobody reviewed it...14:11
dimsgaryk: oslo.versionedobjects14:11
garykok, thanks14:11
mriedemdansmith: i've got the reqs sync running locally now, will get that up during the meeting14:11
johnthetubaguydansmith: with the tag done, you have my attention, at a minimum14:11
dansmithjohnthetubaguy: okay, patches are here:,n,z14:11
johnthetubaguy#topic Bugs14:11
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dansmithwell, just mine of that set14:11
johnthetubaguyso we have some meaty things in here for today14:11
johnthetubaguyI guess first one is v2.0 on v2.1 status14:12
openstackLaunchpad bug 1491511 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Behavior change with latest nova paste config" [Undecided,Confirmed]14:12
sdagueright, so that landed, and a few other groups noticed some things: infra, manilla, trove14:12
alex_xuI tested the legacy v2 also, delete floating ip by ip address will return 404 also14:13
sdaguetrying to get all the incompats stacked in that one bug14:13
johnthetubaguyso the good news, we are now getting the testing we wanted14:13
johnthetubaguythe bad news, is the API is a bit broken14:13
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sdagueright, so we've got 3 incompats reported so far14:13
sdague1) DELETE ../os-floating-ips/GARBAGE is now 400 instead of 40414:13
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johnthetubaguyis there a point where we loose confidence, and revert back to /v2 by default, or should we really just keep pushing on this now?14:14
sdague2) device=None to attach_volume is now 400 instead of success14:14
sdague3) server names can no longer contain spaces14:14
johnthetubaguy(i mean v2_legacy by default)14:14
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dansmithjohnthetubaguy: I think if we don't plow ahead we'll never get this data14:14
sdagueI believe #1 is fine, and we leave it. It actually exposed a bug in infra's testing14:14
ndipanovsdague, 2) seems like a bug - none should be valid I think14:15
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edleafejohnthetubaguy: keep pushing14:15
mordredand we've fixed the testing14:15
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mordredand it's all good now14:15
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mriedemwe at least have a novaclient fix for #214:15
dims+1 to keep pushing14:15
mriedemwhich i plan on releasing today14:15
johnthetubaguydansmith: yeah, I think we have to keep pushing14:15
sdague2) we allow it, because nova only novaclient, but ruby fog assumes that's valid14:15
sdagueso we're going to break a lot of people if we keep the current behavior14:15
johnthetubaguyseems like we need a server side and client side fix?14:15
johnthetubaguyfor (2) that is14:16
sdaguejohnthetubaguy: yeh, I think we should fix both on #214:16
sdaguedims has a patch up14:16
mriedem2 is fixed in novaclient, but yeah needs server side too14:16
sdague#3 ... ?14:16
dansmithso I hadn't seen #3, but that seems like an obvious bug to me14:16
johnthetubaguydo we have patches up for (3)?14:16
johnthetubaguyI guess we have always allowed spaces, so that should continue, at least until some specific microversion that removes it, I assume?14:17
dansmithwhy not spaces forever?14:17
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openstackLaunchpad bug 1491511 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Behavior change with latest nova paste config" [Undecided,Confirmed]14:17
dansmithdidn't we do this work recently to allow pile-o-poo as a server name?14:17
johnthetubaguytrue, I guess thats fine14:17
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dansmithseems silly to allow unicode characters and not spaces to me14:18
mriedemname is display name14:18
mriedemit should include unicode etc14:18
dimsdansmith: ++14:18
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edleafeyes to spaces and poo14:18
johnthetubaguyI guess we should check the v2.1 validation allows poo14:18
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johnthetubaguywho is driving this one, and making sure we reviews all this quickly?14:19
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mriedemi thought there was a tempest test for that but i might be thinking of image names14:19
sdagueok, so agreed that we'll fix this one14:19
sdaguemriedem: it's image names14:19
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alex_xuI can help on patch14:19
sdaguealex_xu: great14:19
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mriedemif there are patches up for review can someone link here or -nova?14:20
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alex_xuso we should check all the 'name' field?14:20
sdaguemriedem: I don't think there is a patch yet14:20
johnthetubaguylets be sure to mark all these bugs as critial so its easy to find them14:20
sdaguealex_xu: yeh, just let spaces into any names14:20
mriedemsdague: but for #2 - just restore dims' from yesterday?14:20
alex_xusdague: ok, got it14:20
sdaguejohnthetubaguy: well, we were collecting them all in one bug14:20
sdaguebut yet14:20
johnthetubaguysdague: OK, that works I guess14:20
sdaguemriedem: yes, I did that an hour ago14:20
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andreykuriline0ne already post a bug for issue with attach volume -
openstackLaunchpad bug 1491842 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Can't attach volume without specifying device name" [High,Confirmed]14:21
bswartz+1 for restoring dims patch14:21
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andreykurilin*post a bug report14:21
mriedem#link patch for server side #2
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edleafealex_xu: I'll help with that if needed14:21
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bauzascan we track all of that thru the etherpad ?14:21
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alex_xuedleafe: yea, thanks!14:22
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sdaguebauzas: we have bugs for these, we can keep track on that14:22
bauzassdague: fair enough14:22
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johnthetubaguyso the next bug?14:22
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sdaguewe seem to have an approach here14:23
openstackLaunchpad bug 1491579 in python-novaclient "against all sanity, nova needs to work around broken public clouds" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Sean Dague (sdague)14:23
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sdagueright, so we assumed we could actually GET the version info for our API from nova14:24
sdaguewhich apparently a lot of clouds deploy in various ways that don't make that possible14:24
dansmiththat's crazy talk14:24
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dansmithversions are like passwords14:24
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dansmithsuuuuuper secret14:24
sdaguemordred has enough credentials on clouds to figure out it was pretty wide spread as well14:24
sdaguedhellmann chatted with dreamhost folks, and it might actually be something that's in the upstream chef cookbooks14:25
sdaguewhich is why it's all over the place14:25
mriedemand those generally lag by 4 months14:25
sdagueanyway, there is a partial fix here - - though apparently I failed tests14:26
ndipanovso the result of this is - novaclient is completely broken for public clouds?14:26
sdaguendipanov: on some of them14:26
mordredndipanov: it works with vexxhost and unitedstack14:26
sdagueafter that fix it works for everything except rax and one other14:26
mordredoh. scuse me. runabove14:26
mordredauro works with the fix14:26
sdagueand rax is probably work aroundable14:27
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johnthetubaguyI think alaski is looking on the rackspace side to see what could be with repose to make the right thing happen14:27
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alaskijohnthetubaguy: yes, but it will take a bit of time to get a change rolled out14:27
johnthetubaguyalaski: very true14:27
mordredI'm going to contact the OVH/runabove folks (or, really, have ttx do it)14:27
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sdagueok, so I'll actually work on getting this into landing shape today, including the rax fix, which will go faster if I can get rax creds... hint hint14:28
sdagueotherwise someone's going to need to pair debug parts of this with me that does14:28
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sdaguealso, I think long term, we need to include these things in the defcore definition14:29
johnthetubaguysdague: yeah, lets try get that sorted somehow14:29
mriedemmtreinish: is working on that right?14:29
sdagueand you are just not openstack if you don't do this14:29
johnthetubaguysdague: +1 for adding this in defcore14:29
mriedemhe's adding a version list test to tempest14:29
sdaguemriedem: yeh, starting14:29
sdagueyeh, rax fails nova version-list as well14:29
sdaguewhich should be a required accessable url, we'll get that into defcore14:29
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johnthetubaguyseems like a very good use of defcore14:30
sdagueanyway, I think we have a story at least14:30
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johnthetubaguymriedem: any more on gate or stable branches that need raising14:30
mtreinishmriedem: oomichi took it over and looks like he got it working14:30
sdagueyes, I'm just annoyed that we have to specify every url in the server we expect to work via defcore14:30
mriedemjohnthetubaguy: umm14:31
mriedemjohnthetubaguy: i have'nt had a chance to look today14:31
mriedemso pass14:31
bauzasmordred: lemme see if I can help for OVH/runabove14:31
bauzasmordred: one of the PoCs is piligrimstack on -fr chan14:32
johnthetubaguy#topic Regular review reminders14:32
bauzasoops pilgrimstack14:32
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johnthetubaguyso sub teams14:32
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mordredbauzas: oh! great. I was just about to ping pilgrimstack actually14:32
johnthetubaguynow is a great time to be very clear about what bugs are critical for liberty14:32
ndipanovdo we want to have some kind of - "not horribly broken for most public OpenStack enpoints" test going forward?14:32
mordredbauzas: could you just let him know what's up and that we've got fixes/workarounds for everyone _but_ them. if they could not _hang_ on trying to hit that endpoint, that would be stellar14:33
mordredopening it == good. rejecting with 401 works too if they have feelings14:33
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bauzasmordred: sure, just pinging him on #openstack-fr :)14:33
johnthetubaguythats the way to tell everyone, that and the priority, and release targetting14:33
mordredbauzas: thanks!14:33
johnthetubaguy#topic Open Discussion14:33
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johnthetubaguyOK, so one more thing from the release, currently stable/liberty will be created, and we open for mitaka once we tag RC114:34
johnthetubaguywe have the option of doing that a bit before RC1 if we want, but then we have to backport all bug fixes we want to that stable branch for a little while14:34
johnthetubaguyand all that overhead14:34
johnthetubaguybut just wanted to share that14:34
mriedemdo it after rc114:34
garykjohnthetubaguy: for blocked bp's without specs will those be reopened? or do we need to ping you offline14:35
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sdaguendipanov: so, the problem with that, is we need creds on those clouds14:35
mriedemlooks like rc1 should be around 9/21?14:35
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johnthetubaguygaryk: once mitaka is open, ping me14:35
sdaguewhich... we don't have14:35
electrocucarachaHi, I would like to discuss about this , this is my first meeting so14:35
sdagueI would love to have some creds where we could test novaclient for reals14:35
dansmithsdague: say creds one more time14:35
dansmithI dare you14:35
bauzas+1 for waiting RC114:36
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johnthetubaguyelectrocucaracha: I see that patch has a -2 from mriedem because its a feature and not a bug14:36
bauzaswe should be focused on bugfixes anyway14:36
dansmithand I agree with that assessment14:36
mriedemjohnthetubaguy: there are also 2 patches for the same thign14:36
mriedemwith different solutions14:36
johnthetubaguymriedem: yes, I am +1 the -2 because its a feature14:36
mriedemthe other:
mriedemelectrocucaracha: did you have a specific question?14:37
electrocucarachaactually, what I can do? it's something that have to wait for the next release14:37
mriedemwe're in feature freeze in liberty14:38
mriedemi tihnk you need to work with the people that have the competing change14:38
mriedemand work together on a design in a blueprint and probably spec14:38
mriedemfor mitaka14:38
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johnthetubaguyelectrocucaracha: you can write the nova-spec now, and get in touch with the folks mentioned here: to agree an approach14:38
johnthetubaguy+1 what mriedem just said basically14:38
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mriedemi can smell the synergy to come14:38
johnthetubaguyelectrocucaracha: just reach out to us in #openstack-nova if you want help with any of that14:39
mrkzI do have a question regarding that + libvirt nova-team, Is that team still doing meetings?, I ask because page in looks like needs a bit of love ?14:39
johnthetubaguyelectrocucaracha: we have some nova specific docs here, which may or may not help:
mriedemmrkz: i thought danpb disbanded that14:40
johnthetubaguymrkz: I don't think they meet anymore, but others like danpb may know different14:40
mriedemdue to lack of attendance14:40
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johnthetubaguyyep, thats what I remembered14:40
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johnthetubaguywould be good if someone can update the wiki to make that cleaer14:40
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johnthetubaguyOK, so any more for any more?14:41
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mriedemi can update the wiki14:41
mriedemlet's leave14:41
electrocucarachawoo I didn't know all of this documents, thanks a lot for the info, I'm sure that questions will come later14:41
johnthetubaguymriedem: cool, thank you14:41
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johnthetubaguyelectrocucaracha: happy to help14:41
johnthetubaguycool, thanks all14:41
johnthetubaguyhave a good day/evening/etc14:42
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mrkzjohnthetubaguy, mriedem: Ok, thank you14:42
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gordc#startmeeting ceilometer15:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Sep  3 15:00:40 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is gordc. Information about MeetBot at
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer'15:00
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llu-phoneo/ i'm using phone so forgive my slow typing15:01
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gordcllu-phone: seems like everyone is slow today...15:03
gordcok we'll just start.15:04
gordc#liberty code freeze - rc1 and onwards15:04
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gordc#topic liberty code freeze - rc1 and onwards15:04
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gordcso we tagged l-3 this morning.15:04
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gordcbasically anything that wasn't in yesterday is not in l-315:05
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eglynnany FFEs on the cards?15:05
eglynne.g. the o.vo stuff?15:05
gordcsorry. got bothered15:06
gordcthe two items that have been marked for FFE are declarative SNMP spec15:06
gordcand events-rbac spec15:06
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gordcthe ovo stuff will not make it into Ceilometer Liberty... possibly in for Aodh.15:07
gordceglynn: there was a thread we opened and it seems like ovo may not even fit our design based on comments by dansmith15:07
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dansmithgordc: I don't think I said that15:08
dansmithgordc: you store things in the DB just like we do, columns and rows15:08
* cdent experiences deja vu15:08
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gordcdansmith: ok. i think i may have misunderstood your comment hten15:09
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jd__gordc: removing the agents? :(15:10
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gordcdansmith: i'm going to add this as the next topic so i can pick your brain more.15:10
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gordcjd__: so regarding the existing patches that aren't targeted to bugs.15:11
gordcthere are a few that are deprecation patches.15:11
gordcor removal.15:11
dansmithgordc: well, today is not really good given the timing.. surely this won't be on the blocks for consideration until M, so maybe we could discuss later?15:11
gordcdansmith: sure. i'll reply to ML again15:11
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gordci believe some of this stuff should have been removed a long time ago15:12
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gordcso i'm thinking it's ok for us to just re-target them against bugs and merge them15:12
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jd__gordc: ok cool!15:12
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gordcbut yeah. anything going forward should not be a new feature (except for the FFE patches)15:13
gordcand also everything should be targeted to a bug.15:13
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gordcwith that said, thanks for all the work this past cycle... now time to see how much we broke15:14
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gordc^ that second part is a joke... for idle readers.15:14
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gordcanyone have stuff to add?15:15
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gordceglynn: did you want to revisit ovo stuff?15:16
eglynngordc: re-opening on the ML is fine15:17
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eglynn(since Kamil/Roman prolly not on this meeting anyway)15:17
gordceglynn: ok. yeah, it'd be good to get other eyes on it.15:17
eglynncool, makes sense15:17
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gordc#topic recurring: ceilometerclient release?15:18
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gordcwe probably need a release of this for liberty.15:18
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* cdent nods15:18
gordcdoes anyone have any additional items? i'm only tracking the patch for alarm events.15:18
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llu-phonefor cm client i have a question about the aodh spilt on this15:19
gordcplease let me know if there's something else so i can make sure it gets into liberty version.15:19
gordcllu-phone: sure15:19
llu-phoneshould event alarm in cm client?15:19
gordcllu-phone: hmmm..15:20
gordcyou mean should we create a new aodh client and deprecate everything in ceilometerclient?15:20
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llu-phonebasically should future aodh feature have client side in cmclient or its own client?15:20
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liusheng_llu-phone: seems there is a patch uploaded
liusheng_llu-phone: about alarm=event15:21
gordci guess it should eventually.15:21
gordclooking at roadmap, i don't think we ever discussed when15:21
llu-phonei am asking for the long run15:21
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gordcllu-phone: i see. yeah. i definitely think we should separate in long run if we want to truly maintain Aodh separately15:22
gordcbut regarding new features... i don't think we have an aodhclient lined up so do we block client stuff until then?15:22
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gordcsileht: i don't know how easy/difficult client work was... from gnocchi pov15:23
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gordci take it aodh maybe a little easier since it's already coded somewhat.15:23
jd__it should be15:24
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jd__if people continue to go for ceilometerclient right now I don't think it's a big deal and we should block15:24
jd__we'll start aodhclient as soon as we've time on the table15:24
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gordcjd__: we should *not* block? correct?15:25
liusheng_but maybe users want a seamless access ?15:25
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gordcliusheng_: seamless access from a separate client or a single client?15:26
jd__gordc: yes15:26
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gordcjd__: kk15:26
jd__gordc: forgot a NOT :)15:26
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liusheng_gordc: so my concern is seamless acess can be  works with a sigle client ? :)15:27
liusheng_gordc: a separated client15:27
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gordcyeah, we don't really have anything lined up for aodhclient so to allow for accessibility, since we already have the redirect in ceilomterclient, it seems to make sense we allow event alarm functionality in15:28
gordcbut i'll add aodhclient ot roadmap15:28
pradkideally people would want to use this services discretely so separate client would be good imo15:28
gordc#action add aodhclient to roadmap15:28
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gordcbut then it'll get wrapped in openstackclient...15:29
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llu-phoneyeah openstack client15:29
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gordclet's leave aodhclient tabled for now but i think we should probably aim to have it separated as well.15:30
stevemar_\o/ openstackclient15:30
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jd__*cough* *cough*15:31
idegtiarovagreed with pradk people would like to have separate clients15:31
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gordcstevemar_: you got openstackclient hilighted?15:31
stevemar_gordc: truth15:31
gordcidegtiarov: cool cool. let's aim for that. we can re-raise discussion as a topic before we start work to make sure minds haven't changed since15:32
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gordcstevemar_: good worker habits.lol15:32
gordcanything else? shall we move to gnocchi?15:33
idegtiarovgordc, souds good15:33
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gordc#topic recurring: Gnocchi status15:33
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jd__it's awesome, as usual15:33
cdentI updated things to use infuxdb 0.9.3 and there are still issues with timeouts15:33
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cdentityaptin: did you see I updated the bug with a few more details?15:34
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gordccdent: i forgot to followup. i can't find pauldix's email to prioritise bug15:34
gordceglynn: do you happen to have his contact?15:34
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pradksileht and I working on gnocchiclient in a private repo, some basic stuff in place15:34
ityaptincdent: yes, i see15:35
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jd__I'm thinking about doing a 1.2.0 release in a few days too, just for fun and because we fixed a few interesting things since 1.1.015:35
eglynngordc: paul@pauldix.net15:36
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gordceglynn: cool cool.15:36
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gordccdent: i can reach out and cc you?15:36
cdentyeah, and ityaptin too15:37
ityaptinyes, thanks15:37
gordckk. i'll just reference your bug. you can follow up to better describe issue.15:37
jd__maybe we should propose to give up InfluxDB and focus on Gnocchi?15:37
jd__just sayin'…15:37
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gordcgood choice (to hide)15:38
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gordcok. next topic.15:39
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gordc#topic introducing new cores15:39
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gordccongrats to ityaptin for becoming gnocchi core15:39
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gordcwelcome to liusheng_ and pradk as ceilometer cores15:40
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gordcand another congrats to liusheng_ as aodh core.15:40
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gordcthanks to all of you for your effort so far15:40
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ildikovwelcome and congrats guys! :)15:40
cdentyay, more people15:40
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llu-phonecongratulations !15:40
liusheng_thanks all of you :)15:41
pradkThanks! :)15:41
gordci'll email you the rules later... you'll need to pass a test to finalise everything. the test involves buying us all beer.15:41
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gordcno take backs. you've accepted.15:41
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ildikovgordc: lol :)15:42
gordcjd__ and i will make appropriate permission changes after this meeting (if they aren't done already on gnocchi side)15:42
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gordc#topic Open discussion15:43
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jd__gordc: already done on Gnocchi side when I sent the mail :)15:43
idegtiarovguys we are in one step of performance testing15:43
gordcjd__: ah i see. /me is slow15:43
gordcidegtiarov: nice!15:44
jd__gordc: except for bugs because it's "Ceilometer driver"15:44
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jd__gordc: should I change that at this point?15:44
idegtiarovthanks gordc and cdent  we use some of your thoughts15:44
jd__gordc: or are you comfortable adding ityaptin to ceilometer-drivers?15:44
gordcwho's in ceilometer driver?15:44
jd__gordc: people.15:44
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gordcjd__: maybe we should create separate groups for each project.15:45
jd__I think it's ceilometer-core equivalent on LP15:45
jd__gordc: ok I'll do that for Gnocchi and Aodh then15:45
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gordcjd__: sounds good.15:45
gordcidegtiarov: any pretty graphs?15:46
gordcidegtiarov: are you testing against master?15:46
idegtiarovsuppose we will have some15:46
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idegtiarovagainst stable  kilo with some additional patches15:47
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jd__testing Ceilometer?15:48
gordci see. that'll be interesting... always strange to think of stable builds...15:48
idegtiarovwe will have 20 node lab on Mon, so some previous result will share next weekly meeting15:48
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idegtiarovjd__, yep, ceilometer now15:49
jd__idegtiarov: with some Gnocchi?15:49
gordcidegtiarov: nice. i look forward to seeing results15:49
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idegtiarovjd__,  not now, gnocchi in our backlog15:50
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gordcadditional items? will close off in a min15:51
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gordcthanks everyone15:52
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cdentschwew, really had to struggle to keep my mouth shut15:53
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bobhgood morning16:00
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vishwanathjgood morning bobh16:00
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bobhI saw sripriya and sridhar_ram joined16:01
sridhar_ramtackers here ?16:01
sripriyabobh: hello16:01
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bobhsripriya: good morning - donuts today?16:02
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sripriyabobh: :-) sridhar_ram should recommend16:02
bobhbetter to keep them as far away as possible16:03
sridhar_ramvirtual donuts to you all ! lets start ...16:03
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sridhar_ram #startmeeting tacker16:03
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openstackMeeting started Thu Sep  3 16:03:46 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is sridhar_ram. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:03
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sridhar_ram#chair bobh16:03
openstackCurrent chairs: bobh sridhar_ram16:03
sridhar_rams3wong here ?16:04
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sridhar_ram#topic Announcements16:04
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sridhar_ramAgenda #link
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sridhar_ramif any last minute items .. please speak up now16:05
bobhlooks good16:05
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sridhar_ramSwitch over to master is now complete..!16:05
sridhar_ramSee #link
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sridhar_ramFollow latest install instruction for master based tacker - #link
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sridhar_ramAs discussed in the midcycle .. Tacker dev process is getting documented in this review #link
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sridhar_ramPlease review when you get a chance ...!16:07
sripriyasridhar_ram: what happens to the patchsets in flight which are being tested with kilo branch16:08
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sridhar_ramsripriya: unfortunately .. they need to be retest w/ latest master based tacker16:08
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sripriyasridhar_ram: ok16:09
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sridhar_ramsripriya: there is no other way around .. hopefully this is one-time pain that we never need to visit again16:09
sripriyasridhar_ram: agree16:09
sridhar_ramFolks - don't trip yourself using your existing tree .. it is worth a switch to a clean master based devstack16:10
sridhar_ramlets move on..16:10
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sridhar_rams3wong: hi, morning... good timing16:10
sridhar_ram#topic Experiment Features16:11
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sridhar_ram#topic Experimental Features16:11
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sridhar_ramWe are entering a phase we will be trying new areas to expand to the intended scope of Tacker ..16:12
sridhar_ram... to be the ETSI MANO NFVO + VNFM ..16:12
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sridhar_ramobviously the areas in the NFVO space are still evolving fast - both in the standards side and in the dependent components ..16:13
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sridhar_ramOne thought is to allow these new features enough space to incubate within Tacker16:14
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sridhar_ramThe proposal I've is to follow the origin neutron's experimental feature model16:14
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vkssbut not much work there16:15
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sridhar_ramneutron advanced services like fwaas, vpnaas, etc were once experimental before they graduate into mainstream features16:15
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sridhar_ramvkss: sorry, I didn't get it... what you mean ?16:15
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sridhar_ramI'm proposing the following two new experimental features - (a) SFC (b) NFVO...16:16
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vkssthe advanced services there are very basic16:16
bobhsridhar_ram: Is there a link that describes the neutron model?16:17
sridhar_ramwe can allow these feature to evolve as experimental features .. which means we don't guarantee backward compatibility16:17
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sridhar_rambobh: I don't remember they are explicitly written down .. I'll try look if such a thing exists16:18
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sridhar_ramvkss: yeah, they kinda look basic now.. but once it was outside the original basic l2 + l3 boundary of neutron...16:19
vksssridhar_ram, how u re proposing to start with?16:19
s3wongbobh, sridhar_ram: it was done via documentation (Neutron official APIs)16:19
s3wongonce they were split into their own repo, Neutron --- being integrated release --- do NOT put FWaaS, LBaaSv2 and VPNaaS as part of the integrated release list of libraries16:20
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sridhar_ramI'm open for ideas .. I'm of the opinion we need to create these new features within tacker repo itself .. just mark in the documentation, like s3wong said, that these are deemed 'experimental'16:21
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s3wongsridhar_ram: I am NOT advocating creating separate repo. Tacker isn't big enough to do that yet16:21
s3wongI am just stating how16:21
s3wong'experimental' was handled back in Neutron old days, and how it is much more refined on the new day16:21
vkssi have work on fwaas also can help with vpnaas16:22
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sridhar_rams3wong: agree, we still need the code base to evolve in the correct way ...16:22
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vkssbut we need to work on details how to intergrate with tacker16:22
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bobhs3wong: so these would be additional API calls that are documented as experimental16:23
sridhar_ramvkss: sorry if I got this wrong, it is not about Tacker integrating w/ fwaas or vpnaas ... it is just about the development model for new bleeding edge features\16:23
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s3wongbobh: well, technically we don't have any release process and release document, so it is up to how we want to define 'experimental'16:24
vksssridhar_ram, ok will talk to u after meeting16:24
bobhs3wong: right - just trying to avoid the inevitable "this used to work and now it doesn't"16:24
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s3wongbobh: and since we are also technically not an OpenStack big tent project, release management doesn't really care to give us a fixed guideline :-)16:24
sridhar_rambobh: s3wong: I think documentation is a fine way to communicate this..16:25
bobhs3wong: :-)  There are benefits to being outside the tent16:25
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sridhar_rams3wong: agree, however we need to operator we are indeed a proper project under the governance tent :)16:25
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sridhar_ramfirst feature we can try this approach could be what Tim Rozet has done for SFC ...16:26
s3wongsridhar_ram: yeah, I believe 'experimental' back in Neutron old days is just documentation (though I could be wrong -- but I never saw anything in code that mark anything experiemental16:26
sridhar_ramwe need to enable such "relevant" experiments in Tacker .. for us to trive16:27
vishwanathjsridhar_ram, +116:27
sridhar_ramvishwanathj: thanks16:28
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sridhar_ramany further thoughts on this ... ?16:28
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bobhdocumentation of the capabilites would be good to have16:29
bobhbut I know it's still very early16:29
bobhso not much to go on16:29
sridhar_rambobh: yeah, we need to catchup on the docs ...16:30
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sridhar_ramsripriya: in fact MANO api work needs to end up in docs.openstack.org16:30
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sripriya_sridhar_ram: agree, it is a pending task as part of work items in api spec16:31
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sridhar_rambobh: point taken, we can make sure to communicate these features as experimental until we have something in the docs..16:31
sridhar_ramin fact we have a devref in the source tree mentioning them as such16:31
sridhar_ram*we can have16:32
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sridhar_ramanyway I'll send an email to ML for any further comments .. we can continue further thoughts over in that thread16:32
sridhar_ramlets move on..16:33
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sridhar_ram#topic Tacker-SFC16:33
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sridhar_ramtrozet: ping16:33
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sridhar_ramI can provide a quick update on this...16:34
sridhar_ramsome of the Tacker members attended the last OPNFV-SFC meeting16:34
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sridhar_ramwe discussed how we can bring in what Tim has experimented in his github to do Tacker --> ODL-SFC16:35
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sridhar_ramTim is willing to contribute that back into tacker repo16:35
sridhar_ramI expect a tacker-spec from Tim .. and we should plan to review / guide that effort as one of the first experimental features in Tacker16:36
bobhsounds like a good plan16:36
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sridhar_rambobh: thanks16:36
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sripriya_sridhar_ram: i will look out for the spec and help with that16:37
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sridhar_ramsripriya_: cool, thanks16:37
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sridhar_ramwe need to guide that effort such that the SFC APIs are generic enough (it need not be perfect - remember it is experimental ;-) .. and the implementation proposal should gel well with the rest of the Tacker codebase (perhaps as a proper tacker extension)16:39
sridhar_ramBTW, for some understandable (!) reasons, SFC invokes lots of strong opinions...16:39
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sridhar_ramBut I would suggest we bias ourselves to get "something" done... rather than going in circles16:40
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sridhar_ramonce the spec lands ... we should plan to have Tim join this call for further questtions..16:41
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sridhar_ramanything else on SFC ?16:41
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sridhar_ram#topic Liberty Release Plans16:42
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sridhar_ramteam - we need to zero in on a date for Liberty Release ...16:42
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sridhar_ramI'm looking for inputs from Prasanth (for auto-scaling), Bob (for monitoring) and Sripriya (for MANO api + basic unit-test f/w)16:43
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sridhar_ramwould, say Sept 25th, be a good date for your efforts to wrap up..16:44
bobhThat should work16:44
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sripriya_sridhar_ram: ack16:44
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sridhar_ramprashantD: how abt you ?16:45
sridhar_rambobh: sripriya_: thanks16:45
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sridhar_ramalright - lets go w/ Sept 25th .. which means you need to wrap few days before that ;-)16:46
sridhar_ramHere we go .. we now have a release page for Tacker #link
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sridhar_ramany other question on the release ?16:48
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sridhar_ramlets open the floor for gen discussion...16:48
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sridhar_ram#topic Bugs / Reviews / Open Discussion16:48
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sridhar_ramif you've something to discuss on Tacker .. please bring up16:49
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bobhQuick question on PyCharm - anyone using it behind an HTTTP proxy and connecting to github?  It claims to work when I test the proxy settings but fails to pull from github16:49
bobhif I'm outside of the corporate network it works fine16:49
sridhar_rambobh: heavily use pycharm, but never used its git integration features16:50
bobhsridhar_ram: so you run git from command line and import the project into PyCharm?16:51
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sridhar_rambobh: yep16:51
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sridhar_ramback to tacker .. just an Fyi, tosca-parse is now a separate component available outside heat-translator16:51
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sridhar_ramI'm planning to look into this .. we need tosca-nfv parser to switch over at some point16:52
sridhar_ramanything else? .. we can wrap up early if not16:53
sridhar_ramlets wrap .. thanks folks16:54
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daneyon_#startmeeting container-networking18:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Sep  3 18:00:54 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is daneyon_. Information about MeetBot at
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'container_networking'18:00
daneyon_#topic roll call18:01
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adrian_ottoAdrian Otto18:02
daneyon_Thank you adrian_otto dane_leblanc Tango VikasC s3wong thomasem for attending the meeting.18:03
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daneyon_#topic Review/Discuss Kuryr Design Spec18:03
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manjeets_Manjeet Singh bhatia18:03
daneyon_manjeets_ thanks for joining18:03
VikasCVikas Choudhary18:03
daneyon_I have reviewed the spec several times18:03
daneyon_I would like to take 10 minutes for everyone to review the latest patch set18:04
daneyon_pls provide your comments in the review18:04
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daneyon_My latest feedback revolves around support for the Kubernetes pluggable networking model. The spec is focused on libnetwork, but addresses support for Kubernetes. Unfortunately, Docker and Google are not on the same page with container networking.18:06
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daneyon_Let me find a link to k8s pluggable networking18:06
daneyon_Lets reconvene at :15 after18:07
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TangoThe spec mentions having Kuryr as containerized Neutron plugin for deployment.  I wonder how it would be compatible across the different coe's we support18:08
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daneyon_Tango are you familiar with project Kolla?18:11
manjeets__is kuryr still under construction ?18:12
Tangodaneyon_: Just at the high level18:12
daneyon_manjeets__ yes, from a design and implementation standpoint18:12
daneyon_manjeets__ this spec is what will set the stage for what kuryr is and is not18:12
daneyon_work is being done to move the project along in the meantime.18:13
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manjeets__i clicked their documentation link it said not found
daneyon_Tango to your question, magnum coe's should not matter. Regarding "having Kuryr as containerized Neutron plugin for deployment", a project such as Kolla can deploy kuryr as a container instead of as a bunch of pkg's to a host.18:15
manjeets__will there be a same network driver that will work for all kind of coe's . i see kuryr is for docker and flannel ( I assume for k8s) correct if wrong ?18:15
daneyon_manjeets__ I would start here:18:15
daneyon_manjeets__ take a look at my comment in the patch set and the kubernetes link I provided above.18:16
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manjeets__can you please resend i lost that sorry18:17
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adrian_ottoKuryr does not need to be the answer for all of Magnum's needs18:18
daneyon_docker and kubernetes have their own pluggable networking model. kuryr will need to decide if it will focus only on Docker or both. It would be ideal if kubernetes' pluggable networking and Docker's libnetwork would merge, but that is not happening18:18
adrian_ottobut for the bay types that support libnetwork, it should be sure to work for our use cases18:18
daneyon_k8s pluggable networking, implemented in the kubelet:18:19
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daneyon_adrian_otto agreed.18:19
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TangoIs Docker's definition of service equivalent to Kubernetes' ?  They don't seem to be, but the spec seems to suggest they are.18:20
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daneyon_any other discussion related to the kuryr design spec?18:20
daneyon_I suggest spending time after the meeting to review the spec in more detail.18:20
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daneyon_#action everyone to spend additional time reviewing the kuryr design spec in more detail.18:21
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daneyon_Tango you are correct. services in Docker != services in k8s18:22
daneyon_Tango please provide feedback to your point in the review18:22
Tangodaneyon_: I will add some comments to the review18:22
daneyon_Tango thx18:22
daneyon_ok, next topic18:22
daneyon_#topic Review Kuryr Integration Brainstorming EtherPad18:22
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daneyon_The kuryr team has done a good job providing input to the etherpad18:23
daneyon_I would like everyone to take 10 or so minutes reviewing the etherpad.18:23
daneyon_pls provide any comments, etc.. in the etherpad18:23
daneyon_pls make sure your handle is listed under contributors if you add anything to the etherpad18:24
daneyon_let's reconvene at :35 past the hour.18:24
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daneyon_I will be working with gsagie from the kuryr team to clean up the etherpad into actionable steps in the next week.18:25
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daneyon_t- 2 min18:33
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daneyon_As with the kuryr design spec, the magnum/kuryr integration etherpad is a lot to digest in 10+ minutes. I encourage everyone to take time after the meeting to review the ep in more detail.18:35
daneyon_#action everyone to review the kuryr/magnum integration etherpad in more detail.18:35
daneyon_thx VikasC18:35
thomasemyep yep18:35
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manjeets__ok sure18:35
daneyon_unless their are any question on the ep, i would like to proceed.18:36
daneyon_Again, I will be working with gsagie from the kuryr team to clean up the etherpad into actionable steps in the next week.18:36
TangoThat will make the ep much easier to digest18:36
daneyon_Hopefully during our next meeting, we will be reviewing a friendlier version of the ep :-)18:36
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daneyon_Tango agreed 100%18:37
daneyon_#topic Review Action Items18:37
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daneyon_ACTION: danehans to take action next week on organizing the kuryr etherpad into actionable steps18:37
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daneyon_This was discussed during this week's kuryr meeting.18:38
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daneyon_I will be contacting gsagie tomorrow and we will start working together to organize the integration bp.18:38
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daneyon_#action danehans work with gsagie to organize the integration ep before next meeting.18:39
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daneyon_ACTION: everyone test network-driver wip patches18:39
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daneyon_since these are WIP patches, i have been making a lot of changes on a daily basis. Pls make sure you are using the latest patch sets18:40
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daneyon_Has anyone had a chance to test the WIP patches?18:40
daneyon_If not, I will carry this action item forward.18:40
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dane_leblancI've been testing some, not the latest as of today though.18:40
daneyon_I am not too concerned if no one has tested them since they still need a fair bit of work18:40
VikasCwill do18:40
TangoI only review so far.  Do we need to download all of them together to test?18:41
daneyon_OK dane_leblanc. Pls get the very latest patch sets b/c they are definitly needed. I broke things over the last few days and think I have them in a working order again.18:41
daneyon_Tango yes18:41
daneyon_full functionality is still not there.18:42
daneyon_I am working through the template defintions/entrypoints.18:42
daneyon_I am trying to figure out the best way to pull the individual k/v pairs within the labels dict into heat params.18:42
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daneyon_seems like extra_params will not fit the alebls use case since we are not creating a new attr, but parsing an existing attr (i.e. lables dict), taking the keys from the dict and mapping them to heat params18:43
daneyon_still trying to wrap my head around the set_param, get_param, etc.. methods in template_def.py18:44
daneyon_but.. on a more positive note, I think most of the other func is there.18:44
daneyon_you can see what my baymodel looks like here:18:46
daneyon_as i try to pass flannel config params by using --labels18:46
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TangoLooks straightforward18:47
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daneyon_the example above is only using the labels patch, that's why you do not see the network-driver attr18:47
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Tangoright, I was just about to ask :)18:48
daneyon_#action everyone test network-driver wip patches18:48
daneyon_Tango :-) adding the network-driver patch is my next step after our meeting18:49
daneyon_#topic Open Discussion18:49
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daneyon_Anyone have open discussion itmes?18:49
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daneyon_Otherwise we'll end the meeting a few minutes early.18:49
TangoDid we have an entry on networking discussion for the design summit?18:50
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daneyon_^ adrian_otto18:51
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daneyon_Tango I iadded abunch of stuff to the planning etherpad sdake put together last week18:51
TangoIt might be a good opportunity for a high bandwidth work session with the Kuryr folks18:52
daneyon_adrian_otto do you know the latest on what magnum talks will be included for the design summit?18:52
adrian_ottothat's in progress now18:52
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adrian_ottoI'm working out the room quantities with ttx18:52
daneyon_#action danehans to coordinate with kuryr team on a design summit session.18:53
daneyon_adrian_otto thx.18:53
adrian_ottowe should explicitly plan a joint session18:53
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daneyon_adrian_otto I'll also see what can be done with the kuryr team.18:53
adrian_ottoand probably also during part of our all day Friday meetup18:53
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daneyon_adrian_otto I took action on it. I'll have an update for our meeting next week.18:54
daneyon_adrian_otto OK18:54
daneyon_Any other open discussion?18:54
daneyon_OK, thanks for attending and have a great rest of your week.18:55
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