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boris-42#startmeeting Rally14:03
openstackMeeting started Mon Sep  7 14:03:08 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is boris-42. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:03
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:03
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Rally)"14:03
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'rally'14:03
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boris-42oanufriev: ping14:03
andreykurilin\o/14:03
ikhudoshyno/14:03
andreykurilin~o~14:03
boris-42amaretskiy: ping14:03
amaretskiyhi14:04
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kun_huangboris-42: pong14:05
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andreykurilinGuys, I have a critical bug-fix for networkcontext+nova-net(v2.1 endpoint) - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/220991/14:07
andreykurilin*folks :)14:07
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boris-42andreykurilin: why this work before?14:08
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andreykurilinboris-42: nova V2.0 ignores redundant parameters14:08
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kun_huangandreykurilin: boris-42 seems neutron's python api changes14:09
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boris-42kun_huang: it's not neutron api14:09
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yfriedandreykurilin: hard to define n-net as critical :)14:09
andreykurilin:)14:09
boris-42kun_huang: it's nova api14:09
andreykurilinyfried: heh14:09
boris-42kun_huang: actually our gates are failing14:09
boris-42kun_huang: so it's quite critical*14:09
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andreykurilinyfried: it's critical for our gates:) since we uses it there14:10
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yfriedandreykurilin: reviewed. need jenkins to approve14:10
andreykurilinI forgot a link to nova schema - https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/ae55af90d64fbc0447104c1fb9949501c834085c/nova/api/openstack/compute/schemas/networks.py#L3014:11
andreykurilinbtw, I have another patch related to V2.114:12
andreykurilinhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/220726/14:12
yfriedandreykurilin: boris-42: so anything else on this subject?14:12
boris-42andreykurilin: +2 from me14:12
boris-42yfried: I believe we can move on14:12
boris-42#topic [yfried] "Compose scenario" vs "new input task format14:12
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yfriedandreykurilin: why can't I see your 2nd patch in Rally dashboard?14:12
andreykurilinyfried: hm...I don't know:(14:13
yfriedboris-42: ^ ?14:13
yfriedboris-42: I'm reviewing based on these filters. it should be under "Ready for Review"14:13
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boris-42нyfried topic is another lol=)14:14
yfriedboris-42: sorry, still hanging on the previous. so - moving on14:14
yfriedre topic14:14
yfriedwe have 2 specs (one merged one under review) links in the agenda (boris-42 could you please post them?)14:15
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boris-42#link  https://github.com/openstack/rally/blob/master/doc/specs/in-progress/new_rally_input_task_format.rst14:15
boris-42#link  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/215762/14:15
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boris-42yfried: ^14:16
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yfriedmkrcmari and myself would like to make sure that #2 is not included in #1 and that #2 is generally accpetable because this is something that will get a lot of our manual testing team to use rally14:17
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yfriedbtw mkrcmari is aix14:17
boris-42yfried: so I don't think that spec about new task fromat is related to this new spec14:18
boris-42aix: ping*14:18
boris-42=)14:18
* aix is here14:18
boris-42yfried: there are 2 different things14:18
yfriedboris-42: let me draft the difference as I understand it and tell me if you agree14:18
boris-42yfried: so format just allows you to execute series of ready scenarios*14:18
boris-42yfried: and this thing should be able to combine parts14:19
boris-42yfried: and these parts can't be scenarios14:19
boris-42yfried: I believe the good thing is to combine current atomic actions*14:19
yfriedso format spec will allow you to say run "A, B, A(different input), C, D, B(same input),..." and also (maybe) run A and at the same time run B14:19
yfriedboris-42: ^ 1sec14:19
boris-42yfried: so what I think is that this should be done as a part of spec that refactors rally scenario utils14:20
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yfriedthe 2nd spec is about concatenating multiple scenarios to create some high level scenario (build network, build volume, boot VM into previous resources, collect Ceilometer input about network, volume and VM)14:20
yfriedboris-42: how?14:22
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boris-42yfried: nope they are not14:23
yfriedboris-42: please explain, as I think we got out of sync14:23
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boris-42yfried: new input task format is about running N benchmarks one by one or in parallel in the same context14:23
yfriedboris-42: which is the same as I've said, isn't it?14:24
boris-42yfried: mostly for load + monitoring + HA14:24
boris-42yfried: nope it is not14:24
boris-42yfried: there is no idea to use output of firs benchmark as a chain14:24
yfriedboris-42: the last part is about "compose"14:25
boris-42yfried: + you are running fully first benchmark, then fully second benchmark, then fully third benchmark14:25
boris-42yfried: nope it is not14:25
boris-42yfried: there is big difference14:25
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boris-42yfried: between running 3 different Scenarios (fully A, fully B, fully C) and running load (A, B, C n times)14:25
yfriedboris-42: and you say the 1st option is what new format is about?14:26
yfriedor second?14:26
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boris-42yfried: first is about input task14:27
yfriedboris-42: yep14:27
boris-42yfried: second is comopsing benchmark14:27
boris-42yfried: so in one case you are running 3 scensarios in second you are running 1 scenario14:27
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boris-42yfried: and that is huge difference14:27
yfriedboris-42: so about input task - it will allow us to run A(args1), B, A(args2)14:27
yfriedboris-42: ^?14:27
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boris-42yfried: like it is described...14:28
yfriedboris-42: ok14:28
yfriedboris-42: and about "compose"14:28
yfried:14:28
boris-42yfried: in case of input task each scenario has own sla/context/runner14:28
yfriedboris-42: ^ agreed14:28
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boris-42yfried: in case of compose you have one runner and one context for all frankenstain *14:29
yfriedboris-42: ^ agreed as well14:29
boris-42all/whole*14:29
yfriedboris-42: and you are not ok with "compose", are you?14:29
boris-42yfried: I am ok with compose14:29
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boris-42yfried: I am not ok with making it from scenarios*14:30
yfriedboris-42: because I like it and I've seen demand for it around my colleagues14:30
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boris-42yfried: I like as well functionallity but it should be implement in another way14:30
yfriedboris-42: using atomic-actions would require (IMO) to make atomic a plugin14:31
boris-42yfried: as I said it should be done as a part of scenario utils refactoring14:31
boris-42yfried: and that is okay14:31
yfriedboris-42: could you please suggest the general idea of how?14:31
boris-42yfried: validation and types will be plugin as well14:31
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boris-42yfried: so just make them plugins that are easy to use in context and scenarios and compose scenarios14:32
yfriedboris-42: ok, so compose is way down the road and would require me to work on the "scenario utils refactoring" spec. I'd appreciate your help on that14:33
boris-42yfried: in case of atomic we can use output14:33
yfriedboris-42: ok14:33
boris-42yfried: yep I will help14:33
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boris-42yfried: but I believe if we desing everything well it won't take forever to cover both cases14:33
boris-42yfried: or even 314:34
yfriedboris-42: so please post a summary of this to as review on that spec and let's combine both specs14:34
boris-42yfried: making it simple to use atomics in context, remove wrappers and do compose scenario14:34
boris-42yfried: so I put actually pretty the same information in that spec14:34
yfriedboris-42: also, can/do we have a way to see approved specs in readthedocs?14:35
boris-42yfried: so it can be done14:35
boris-42yfried: like we are doing for feature request14:35
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yfriedboris-42: exactly14:35
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boris-42yfried: but it is not done yet14:35
boris-42#topic  [boris-42] Rally Info & Plugin reference14:36
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boris-42Okay guys I did a bunch of work related to removing rally info and creating rally plugin14:36
boris-42that contains same functiaonllity14:37
boris-42and in future will manage rally plugins14:37
boris-42#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/217005/14:37
boris-42^ here is the chain14:38
yfriedboris-42: it makes it clear that ctx and runners have bad doc14:38
boris-42yfried: yeeeppp14:38
boris-42yfried: as well that we don't have good docs for base classes14:38
yfriedboris-42: I'll open bugs about it14:38
boris-42yfried: like context.Context, scenario.Scenario, scenario.Runner14:38
andreykurilinboris-42: what about deprecation rally info or removement?14:38
boris-42andreykurilin: so I did the next, i removed all commands14:38
boris-42andreykurilin: except rally info find, rally info list where I wrote it's deprecated use rally plugin find14:39
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boris-42any questions?14:42
ikhudoshynnope14:42
boris-42#topic [boris-42] What is important for Rally 0.1.0 release14:42
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boris-42so I believe there are 3 things14:43
boris-42that we should do in this release more14:43
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boris-421) rally info stuff14:43
boris-422) rally task abort14:43
boris-423) rally reports14:43
boris-42^ yfried ikhudoshyn andreykurilin please review these patches14:43
ikhudoshynsure14:43
ikhudoshynbtw, which is for 'task abort'14:44
ikhudoshynI've seen one which looked abandoned for me14:45
ikhudoshyn?14:45
andreykurilinabout 'task abort': I'll try to check it locally and post new change14:46
boris-42ikhudoshyn:https://review.openstack.org/#/c/161636/14:46
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ikhudoshynwhat is 'aborted' in gerrit btw?14:46
boris-42ikhudoshyn: ?)14:48
ikhudoshynboris-42: the patch that you pointed is marked as 'aborted' ))14:48
boris-42ikhudoshyn: ;)14:49
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ikhudoshynlooks like something not really good for me14:49
ikhudoshynhaha, got it, I feel especially dumb today))14:50
boris-42ikhudoshyn: it's name of patch lol14:50
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boris-42ikhudoshyn: =)14:50
boris-42okay so let's end this meeting14:50
boris-42see you next week14:50
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boris-42#endmeeting14:50
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anteaya#startmeeting third-party15:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Sep  7 15:00:32 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
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anteayahello15:00
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lennybanteaya: hi15:01
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anteayahey lennyb15:02
anteayahow are you?15:02
lennybanteaya: thank you, just came back from vacation. How are you?15:03
anteayahow lovely15:03
anteayaI am well thank you15:03
eantyshevHello!15:04
anteayaso far it is just you and I15:04
anteayaand eantyshev15:04
anteayahello15:04
anteayawhat shall we discuss today?15:04
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lennybWell.. I have nothing interesting today to ask or tell15:04
anteayaokay thanks for saying so lennyb15:04
eantyshevgit.o.o had problems today, as I noticed15:04
anteayadid it?15:04
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eantyshevwe had failures merging patches, cloning repositories etc.15:05
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eantyshevall due to connection failures to git.o.o15:05
anteayahave you a paste?15:06
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eantyshevhttp://paste.openstack.org/show/448824/15:07
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eantyshevand it had been happening from 9:30 to 14:07 UTC15:08
anteaya#link http://cacti.openstack.org/cacti/graph_view.php?action=tree&tree_id=215:08
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anteayathat seems to match the load spike on the graph15:09
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anteayadid you mention it in the -infra channel?15:09
eantyshevno, I saw nobody there and didn't try15:10
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anteayathere seems to be twice daily spikes: http://cacti.openstack.org/cacti/graph_image.php?action=view&local_graph_id=2566&rra_id=215:10
anteayaI'm going to guess that is in line with image creation15:11
anteayaand that some third party cis offset a bit from infra's image creation but don't offset that much15:11
anteayathat is my guess15:11
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eantyshevI beleive that15:12
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anteayaso the solution would be to get ci operators co-ordinated so that everyone picked a different time for image creation15:13
anteayaso they are spaced out from each other, not all lumped together15:13
eantyshevI've modified mine, to match my timezone15:14
anteayaawesome15:14
anteayaI wish every ci operator paid as much attention to their system as you do15:14
anteayathank you eantyshev15:14
eantyshevperhaps, I've customized it even further than I should15:15
anteayayou never know until you try15:15
anteayayou can post your findings to the -infra channel so we know you are having git failures15:15
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anteayaeven if noone is in the channel you can post your findings and your paste15:15
anteayathen they have it as a data point15:16
anteayaall the git servers were upgraded to centos7 form centos6 last week15:16
eantyshevDoes it make sense to do now?15:16
anteayaso we do want to hear your experience15:16
anteayayes15:16
anteayapost the failure message and the time frame15:16
anteayaclarkb will want to hear15:17
anteayahe will read the logs when is online tomorrow15:17
eantyshevthen I'll do it after our meeting15:17
anteayathank you15:17
anteayaother than git.o.o not behaving as expected today for you15:17
anteayado we have anything else we would like to discuss?15:17
eantyshevI have a small request, for somebody from core reviewers to look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/215029/15:18
eantyshevthat change which we discussed a week ago15:18
eantyshevto support third-party OSes in devstack-gate15:18
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anteayaright, I'm not a devstack-gate reviewer15:19
anteayaso I can't help much in that regard15:19
anteayatwo suggestions15:19
anteaya1) patience15:19
anteaya2) add it to the infra meeting agenda for discussion15:19
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eantyshevokay, I haven't tried 2)15:20
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anteaya#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/215029/15:21
anteayayou can if you wish15:21
anteayathat is the only suggestion I have on this patch15:21
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eantyshevThank you, that's all I wanted to discuss15:22
anteayagreat thank you eantyshev15:22
anteayaunless we have anything else, I'll close the meeting for today15:23
anteaya...15:23
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anteayastop me if I should wait for anything15:23
* anteaya waits to see if anyone wants to stop her15:23
anteayathanks for your attendance and kind participation today15:23
anteayaI hope to see you next week, and for some at 0800 utc Tuesday15:24
anteayathank you15:24
anteaya#endmeeting15:24
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gpazHello Mistral16:00
NikolayM#startmeeting Mistral16:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Sep  7 16:00:54 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is NikolayM. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
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NikolayMhi everyone!16:01
gpazHello16:01
NikolayMhi, gpaz16:01
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^Gal^hellllo16:01
LimorStotlandhi all16:01
akuznetsovahi there !)16:01
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NikolayMthe meeting seems to be a bit shorter, we have no action items16:02
xylan_konghi, all16:03
NikolayMlet's start16:03
NikolayM#topic Review Action items16:03
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NikolayMno action items16:03
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^Gal^:D16:03
xylan_konghehe16:03
NikolayM#topic Current status16:03
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LimorStotlandNice :-)16:03
NikolayMyes :)16:03
NikolayMguys, let's tell our status for last week16:04
^Gal^I'm on execution update, haven't got much time to work on that last week16:04
^Gal^no technocal barriers though16:04
^Gal^technical*16:04
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xylan_kongmy status: complete action-execution-deletion blueprint before l-3, have a 3-days holiday, :-)16:05
NikolayMmy status: still working on the docs, already done with terminology, quickstart, architecture and CLI, next - 'how to write workflow'16:05
gpazFix for expiration policy was merged. I wanted to work on the Docs for that but unfortantly I was busy with internal stuff here16:05
LimorStotlandworking on internal stuff16:06
akuznetsovamy status: fix devstack gates twice :) made commit to openstack-infra to add gate that will build our docs16:06
xylan_kongNikolayM: how about the progress of doc work?16:06
xylan_kongakuznetsova: thanks very much for your work!16:06
^Gal^NikolayM: I want to write further documentation on how to to debug mistral-dashboard, just appeared to me that I missed some keynotes16:07
akuznetsovaxylan_kong, you are welcome)16:07
NikolayMxylan_kong: It is almost completed, only a few articles remain16:07
xylan_kongNikolayM: greate16:07
NikolayM^Gal^, sure, you are free to write it16:08
^Gal^:P16:08
NikolayMone thing: please, write it to main mistral repo, in doc/source16:08
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NikolayMthere is existent docs on dashboard, could you edit it?16:09
^Gal^NikolayM: ok, sure. what about mistral dashboard github readme?16:09
^Gal^NikolayM: sure16:09
rakhmerovhi guys16:09
NikolayMit is partly moved to that article16:09
NikolayMhi rakhmerov16:09
akuznetsovaNikolayM, ^Gal^  I think that you are working on different 'parts' of docs, so your commit should not conflict16:09
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NikolayMakuznetsova, yep16:10
rakhmerovmy status: I was working on the patch: https://review.openstack.org/22043916:10
^Gal^Ok, so should I update both repos?16:10
rakhmerovit's about fixing a bug with cyclic workflows and refactoring specifications16:10
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^Gal^both mistral and mistral dashboard readme?16:10
NikolayM^Gal^, there is another article (currently is not started yet) - troubleshooting16:10
akuznetsova^Gal^, NikolayM also I think that it will be cool to add user guide with screenshots )16:11
^Gal^akuznetsova: +116:11
rakhmerov+2 :)16:11
rakhmerov(as a core :))) )16:11
^Gal^lol16:11
^Gal^:P16:11
NikolayM^Gal^, I think no, it is enough to have docs at the main doc source (docs.openstack.org)16:11
NikolayMhaha :)16:11
^Gal^NikolayM: ok :)16:12
LimorStotlandI agree with NikolayM16:12
^Gal^LimorStotland: ok, thanks!16:12
LimorStotlandand the rest :-)16:12
^Gal^I agree with Limor16:12
^Gal^:P16:12
NikolayMakuznetsova has submitted the patch to the infra recently and docs soon starts to build on docs.openstack.org16:13
rakhmerovyep16:13
xylan_konggood job16:13
NikolayMfor every merged patch in mistral16:13
akuznetsovahope so)16:13
rakhmerovhere it is: https://review.openstack.org/22022616:13
NikolayMthanks, akuznetsova!16:13
rakhmerov:)16:13
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rakhmerovso folks, I'll be annoying again and talking about L-316:15
rakhmerov#topic Wrapping up L-316:15
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rakhmerovas you know, we're a couple of days behind with L-3 release16:15
rakhmerovtechnically, it's a couple of hours to make a release16:15
rakhmerovbut..16:15
NikolayM#topic Wrapping up L-316:15
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rakhmerovooh, thanks! I forgot you're a host16:16
rakhmerov:)16:16
NikolayMdo you want some patches to get merged?16:16
rakhmerovI just want that we have a chance to finish planned BPs16:16
rakhmerovyes16:16
LimorStotlanddo we still have open bp (not in the ui)?16:17
rakhmerov^Gal^: I know you're busy with internal stuff but I have to ask you about https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-dashboard-executions-screen16:17
rakhmerovis there a chance you'll finish it tomorrow?16:17
^Gal^nope16:17
^Gal^:(16:17
rakhmerovok, honest answer )16:17
^Gal^lol16:17
rakhmerovlet's move it to RC-116:17
^Gal^rakhmerov: thanks! and sorry16:18
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rakhmerovthat's ok16:18
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rakhmerovanother one is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-action-execution-deletion16:18
xylan_kongrakhmerov, NikolayM: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/216509/ need +1 for workflow, but i found there is devstack failure which has nothing to do with my patch16:19
rakhmerovxylan_kong: yes, I just wanted to say this16:19
NikolayMyes, something with changing execution states16:19
rakhmerovare you sure it has nothing to do with it?16:19
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rakhmerovgive me a sec16:19
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xylan_kongNikolayM: you met with this failure?16:20
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rakhmerovyeah, it's NegativeCLITests.test_ex_invalid_status_changing16:20
rakhmerovhm.. weird16:20
akuznetsovaooo16:20
rakhmerovakuznetsova: do you know what's going on?16:21
NikolayMxylan_kong, I just see an error in gate16:21
akuznetsovaI have a theory16:21
xylan_kongseems like the calling goes well, no exception is raised16:21
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akuznetsovaseems like it can be related to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/219870/216:22
xylan_kongif it's not so urgent issue, i can figure it out tomorrow16:22
akuznetsovathere wasn't such problem in previously merged patch, but here this test failed16:22
rakhmerovyes, I think akuznetsova is right16:23
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rakhmerovI think I even know what the problem is16:23
rakhmerovxylan_kong: yes, please look at it tomorrow16:23
xylan_kongrakhmerov: ok16:23
xylan_kongrakhmerov: i'll cover it16:23
rakhmerov#action xylan_kong: look at the failing test NegativeCLITests.test_ex_invalid_status_changing, it may be related with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/219870/216:24
rakhmerovxylan_kong: thnx, appreciate16:24
akuznetsovayes, thanks16:24
rakhmerovthen let's merge Lingxian's patch now16:24
xylan_kongnp16:24
xylan_kongrakhmerov: and this one, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-pagination-support, needs your approval and consider it as completed16:24
xylan_kongfor now16:25
rakhmerovalready done16:25
rakhmerovI did it today16:25
xylan_kongrakhmerov: really? I see no aprover16:25
rakhmerovI usually mark BPs as "Beta available" before it's released16:26
rakhmerovthere is an approver )16:26
rakhmerovso it's been taken care of16:26
xylan_kongok16:26
rakhmerovlet's see what else we have..16:26
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rakhmerovxylan_kong: I also wanted to find out the status of https://review.openstack.org/21672916:27
rakhmerovbut zhenguo is not here16:27
rakhmerovdo you happen to know his plans on it?16:28
xylan_kongrakhmerov: yeah, i believe he want it to be merged in l-316:28
rakhmerovright, but now jenkins votes -116:28
rakhmerovI guess it needs to be rebased or something..16:28
rakhmerovok, we need to ask him tomorrow16:29
xylan_kongrakhmerov: I'll contact him tomorrow16:29
rakhmerov#action rakhmerov, xylan_kong: remind zhenguo about https://review.openstack.org/21672916:29
rakhmerovyes16:29
rakhmerovso, just to let you know16:29
xylan_konglet him finish it ASAP16:29
rakhmerovyes16:29
xylan_kongif there is not tech debate on that16:29
rakhmerovI'm going to make a release tomorrow evening anyway16:29
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rakhmerovif something is not in then we'll have to move it to RC116:30
xylan_kongok, good, do what you think is right :-)16:30
rakhmerovakuznetsova: I know you had comments on this patch so please try to participate tomorrow16:30
xylan_kongakuznetsova: yeah, need your insight and expertise16:31
akuznetsovarakhmerov, xylan_kong ok16:31
rakhmerovxylan_kong: and I need your review on https://review.openstack.org/220439 :))16:32
rakhmerovyou should like this patch )16:32
xylan_kongnp, leave another action item for me16:32
xylan_kong:-)16:33
akuznetsovaif zhenguo won't be available, I can rebase/send new patch set for this patch16:33
xylan_kongi'll do them all tomorrow16:33
rakhmerov#action xylan_kong: review https://review.openstack.org/220439 and Nikolay's documentation patches16:33
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rakhmerovakuznetsova: yes, we can do it16:33
rakhmerovok16:33
rakhmerovNikolayM: I guess we can move https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-documentation to RC1?16:34
rakhmerovthis is a grouping BP16:34
NikolayMyep, I also think so16:34
rakhmerovnot all docs will be ready by the EOD tomorro, right?16:34
rakhmerovok16:34
NikolayMsome of bps are not completed16:34
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xylan_kongi can't wait to see our doc listed on website :-)16:35
rakhmerovyep16:35
rakhmerovme too )16:35
xylan_kongit's really useful for new comers16:35
rakhmerovguys, we need to make our docs shine during Sept16:36
rakhmerovyes16:36
rakhmerovwe've been hearing much complaints about our docs16:36
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rakhmerovnow it's high time we made them good and useful16:36
^Gal^mistral dashboard tasks screen bp - assigend to Liat, not finished either16:36
xylan_kongrakhmerov: yes, i did this when i came to mistral the first day16:36
^Gal^same for cron trigger on mistral-dashboard16:37
rakhmerov^Gal^: I know, I promised to help her with it but didn't find time today. Will do tomorrow, either me or zhenguo16:37
^Gal^rakhmerov: oh ok, didn't know she contacted you16:37
rakhmerov#action rakhmerov, zhenguo: help Liat with her patch on tasks screen16:37
rakhmerov^Gal^: cron trigger screen has been moved to RC116:37
rakhmerovwhich is ok16:38
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rakhmerovlike I said there's no time tension on UI work, we have more flexibility on it16:38
rakhmerovbut I just want to have some discipline anyway16:38
^Gal^aggree16:39
rakhmerovguys, one more thing I'd love to be able to push into L-3 is a new YAQL function for extracting task result16:40
rakhmerov[openstack-dev] [mistral][yaql] Addressing task result using YAQL function16:40
rakhmerovyou can look at this thread and express your opinion16:40
xylan_kongyes, i saw the email, didn't have time to reply. i like the idea16:40
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xylan_kongtask(name)16:40
rakhmerovnobody is against it so far16:40
rakhmerovyes16:41
rakhmerovand there's a strong technical reason to do so16:41
rakhmerovyou can read my explanations if you want16:41
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rakhmerovso, me or Nikolay will try to get it knocked down tomorro16:41
rakhmerovxylan_kong: please be ready to review16:41
xylan_kongrakhmerov: np16:42
xylan_kongalways in the position for help16:42
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rakhmerov#action rakhmerov or NikolayM: implement task() yaql function16:42
rakhmerovok16:42
rakhmerovso this is all I wanted to discuss on L-316:43
rakhmerovdo you have anything else?16:43
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xylan_kongrakhmerov: don't forget the client release16:43
rakhmerovyes16:43
rakhmerovooh, btw, is gpaz here?16:44
gpazyes16:44
rakhmerovcan you please carefully look at the patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/218544/ ?16:44
gpazhi, I saw your changes for the test16:44
rakhmerovit's already merged and it actually looks slightly weird16:45
rakhmerovit's because looks like expiration policy doesn't run as expected16:45
rakhmerovfor some reason16:45
gpazI was a critical issue in some production that still a lot of my time this week :(16:45
rakhmerovso Winson says it may not run every minute as configured for some reason16:45
gpazI m not sure I understand why it is failing16:45
rakhmerovyes16:45
rakhmerovno urgency but pls try to investigate once you have time16:46
gpazI hope tommorow I ll have time16:46
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rakhmerov#action gpaz: try to investigate what may be wrong with expiration policy (look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/218544/)16:46
gpazlast days were realy busy here for me with customers16:46
rakhmerovok16:46
rakhmerovit's understandable, no need to explain16:47
rakhmerovthanks16:47
gpazwhere you saw it is failing by the way ?16:47
rakhmerovit even happens on my local dev machine16:47
rakhmerovonce in a while16:47
gpazOk16:48
gpazI will take alook16:48
^Gal^#action ^Gal^: make mistral-dashboard debug shine16:48
rakhmerovapproximately every third or forth time16:48
rakhmerov:)16:48
rakhmerovhaha ))16:48
gpazweired, never failed for me ..16:48
gpazOk, taking that16:48
rakhmerovyeah, it looks like a concurrency problem16:49
rakhmerovit behaves differently on different machines16:49
rakhmerovso now I really don't have anything else to discuss16:49
rakhmerovlet's go to open discussion16:49
rakhmerovor end the meeting16:49
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xylan_kongrakhmerov: do you already have a plan for Tokyo Summit? I'm very interested in it16:49
rakhmerovxylan_kong: no detailed plan16:50
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rakhmerovof course, I know major topics that we need to discuss16:50
xylan_kongrakhmerov: all right, so we can discuss face to face if there's a chance16:51
rakhmerovbtw, please share your suggestion for the fishbowl session (with larger audience and projector)16:51
rakhmerovxylan_kong: yes16:51
rakhmerovat fishbowl session, for example, you could tell about your experience using Mistral or something like that16:51
xylan_kongrakhmerov: no problem16:52
rakhmerovsort of a promo actually16:52
rakhmerovok16:52
xylan_kongrakhmerov: i can share story with HWS using workfow (but it's not mistral)16:52
rakhmerovok, let's talk about it in a few days16:53
xylan_kongsure16:53
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xylan_kongso, nothing need to discuss for me16:53
rakhmerovok16:54
rakhmerovNikolayM: let's end the meeting?16:54
rakhmerovyou are in charge today )16:54
NikolayMsure16:55
NikolayM#endmeeting16:55
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rakhmerovbye and thanks for joining!16:55
xylan_kongthanks bodies16:55
NikolayMbye!16:55
^Gal^bye16:55
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matjazp#startmeeting training-guides17:00
openstackMeeting started Mon Sep  7 17:00:35 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is matjazp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'training_guides'17:00
matjazphi all17:00
matjazproll call17:00
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matjazpanyone here?17:03
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cloudtrainmeHi matjazp: I'm here17:03
mgroharhere17:04
matjazphey cloudtrainme17:04
matjazphey mgrohar17:04
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mgroharhi all17:04
matjazpshould we start or should we wait a bit more?17:04
matjazpagenda #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/training-guides17:04
matjazplets review action items from previous meeting17:05
matjazptimfreund: you around?17:06
matjazpI had sent a status mail on Doc ML17:07
matjazpupstream publishing is on the agenda, so wil talk about it later17:07
matjazp#info matjazp submitted bugs to serve as a guides what needs to be done in Training guides17:08
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matjazp#info Docs community was notified about new scope and other changes to the project17:08
matjazpcloudtrainme: did you managed to  make some slides about nova? need help?17:09
cloudtrainmeI submitted the bug, but haven't been able to knock out the slide yet.  Sorry.  I'll aim to get that done this week.17:10
matjazpno problems17:10
matjazplets just go to agenda17:10
matjazp#topic Upstream material and Tokyo17:10
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matjazpthere is some activity about that17:11
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matjazpmgrohar submitted his first patch17:11
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mgroharyes, first one17:12
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matjazpMiha, can you please just introduce yourself?17:12
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mgroharok17:12
mgroharso I work at University od Ljubljana17:13
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mgroharhave been in OpenStack couple of years17:13
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mgroharwe run a small openstack cloud and I also have some training experiences as an instructor17:14
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mgroharlooking forward to do some additonal work in the training-guides project17:15
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matjazpgreat :)17:15
cloudtrainmemgrohar: Welcome.  Congrats on your first patch!17:15
codebaussi'd like a bit more info on contributing to the training guides, is there a link17:15
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matjazpcodebauss: sure: #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Training-guides17:16
matjazpwiki is a bit old17:16
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matjazpbut you can also ask me or anyone on Doc ML17:16
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matjazpmgrohar is also my coworker, so I guess I nagged him enough to cave in and start contributing ;)17:17
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matjazpok, tim is not here so we can skip to the next item on the agenda17:17
cloudtrainmematjazp: well done!  I need to do the same17:18
matjazpcloudtrainme: hmm.. can I make it an action item ;)17:18
cloudtrainmematjazp:  LOL...why yes you can17:18
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codebaussthx matjazp17:19
matjazpcloudtrainme: it helps to just sit with them together and pick a small low-hanging-fruit and make the patch17:19
matjazp#action cloudtrainme tries to persuade his coworkers to join the project17:20
matjazpcodebauss: np. ask if you get stuck. pick a low-hanging-fruit bug as a first patch.17:20
matjazp#topic Upstream training publishing and landing page17:21
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matjazpok, so as I see it, we need to set our goals first... where and how we want to publish upstream material17:21
matjazpalternatives are17:21
matjazpa section under http://docs.openstack.org/ (like Install guides, API reference, etc.)17:22
matjazpor/and http://www.openstack.org/marketplace/training under "OpenStack Online Help" in the right of this page17:23
matjazpthere are already 4 links to dofferent docs17:23
matjazpwhat do you think? we shoot for both?17:23
cloudtrainmeI was going to say both.17:24
cloudtrainmeI know docs gets a lot of traffic17:24
mgroharboth seem fine17:24
cloudtrainmeDoes the marketplace get good traffic?17:24
matjazpwe need to discuss this on Docs ML, should we get a separate section17:25
matjazpcloudtrainme: dont know, I wa just trying to fit this somewhere that is the most logical choice17:25
cloudtrainmematjazp: makes sense17:26
matjazpand of course: do we need another special landing page or not.17:26
matjazpI mean, do we just publish links on slides on the docs page, or to the separate page that has link to the slides17:27
matjazpam I making sense?17:27
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mgrohari think no additonla lp is needed if we have the docs page17:28
cloudtrainmeagreed.  as long as we clearly indicate that these are training slides...not full blown docs.17:29
matjazpcloudtrainme: yes, how do we do this?17:29
matjazpcloudtrainme: with a another landing page, it is trivial17:29
matjazpcloudtrainme: but if we just publish direct links, that is harder17:30
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cloudtrainmewhen you say another landing page are you suggesting a new link like training.openstack.org?17:31
matjazpmaybe we name the section "Training slides" and not "Training guides"17:31
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matjazpcloudtrainme: no, a page that shows when user clicks on the link on the Docs page17:31
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cloudtrainmematjazp: maybe a new lp does make sense if it allows us to distinguish the training slides better.17:33
mgroharwhat would be the content of the new lp? direct links to slide sets?17:33
matjazpwe could also change the current landing page (that is generated by the hieroglyph as a slide)17:34
matjazpmgrohar: yes, some text explaining things and links to the slides17:34
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matjazpcurrent landing page (see http://docs.openstack.org/draft/upstream-training) is in the form of a slide deck, we could make this a custom landing page with text and direct links17:35
mgroharok, in that case a new lp is more appropriate imo17:37
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matjazpif we cut out "draft" from that URL, it could also be the landing page, with links to the slide chapters.17:37
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matjazpand then we just publish links to that on Docs.openstack.org under "Training gjuides"  section17:38
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matjazpand put a link on the marketplace/training pointing to docs section17:39
matjazpmakes sense?17:39
cloudtrainmematjazp: sounds like a good plan to me.17:40
matjazpok17:40
mgroharyep, ok17:40
matjazp#info we make a new anding page instead of the current that is in the form of the slides17:40
matjazp#info we publish upstream in the docs.openstack.org, under a separate section17:41
matjazp#info we put a link  to that on the marketplace/training landing page under "OpenStack Online Help"17:42
matjazpmoving on17:42
matjazp#topic Training slides17:42
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matjazpI see now that I need to write down a TOC for this17:43
matjazpwe assumed we will just convert old XML format (old Icehouse training guides material) to the RST slide format17:43
matjazpbut this stalled (except some work on the netwirking)17:43
matjazp#action matjazp puts training slides TOC on the wiki17:44
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matjazpidea is to have small units (modules) that explain a single topic17:45
matjazpand then just put them together for a training session17:45
matjazpit will be easier to update this way, but it also means it can lack coherence17:46
matjazpTOC should help with the bigger picture17:46
matjazpsonds ok?17:46
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matjazpsounds17:46
mgroharok17:46
cloudtrainmeyup17:46
matjazpidea is also that we reause as much diagrams and stuff from the existing guides and put links to that in the presenter notes17:47
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matjazpexisting guides= existing openstack docs17:47
mgroharmakes sense17:49
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matjazpok, moving to the last topic17:49
matjazp#topic Sharing screenshots of slides in reviews and bugs17:49
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matjazpin the review process, I found that there is no "official" openstack way to share screenshots in the review comments17:50
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matjazplike when you need to show that something renders wrong17:50
matjazpwe have we have paste.openstack.org for text17:51
matjazpbut not for pic17:51
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matjazpwe could use something like skitch and publish on iloud or google drive17:52
matjazpbut that is ephemeral17:52
matjazpso the question is, because of the transparency, do we need something that lasts longer?17:53
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cloudtrainmesomething that last longer would be ideal, but I'm not sure what solutions are out there besides google, or dropbox.17:54
cloudtrainmeBe cool to use OpenStack Swift somehow.17:54
matjazpcloudtrainme: yes, we can take this to the Docs ML and see what others think17:55
matjazpcloudtrainme: I'm sure there are opensource "imagebin" (pastebin clones)17:56
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matjazpcloudtrainme: suggest that to the openstack-infra folks17:56
cloudtrainmematjazp: agreed.  asking on the Docs ML may help us find other options.17:56
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matjazp#action: matjazp sends a wueistion regarding pics "pastebin" (ala paste.openstak.org) to the docs ML17:57
matjazp#topic AOB17:57
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matjazpanything else?17:58
mgroharno17:58
cloudtrainmenothing here17:58
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matjazpok, thank you guys for you time17:58
matjazpsee you next week17:58
matjazpbye!17:59
mgroharbye17:59
cloudtrainmeHave a good week all.  See you next time.17:59
matjazp#endmeeting17:59
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