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| loquacities | alright, let's do this thing! | 00:30 |
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| bmoss | \o/ | 00:30 |
| loquacities | #startmeeting docteam | 00:30 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 30 00:30:40 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is loquacities. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:30 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 00:30 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 00:30 |
| loquacities | who is here? | 00:30 |
| berndbausch | hi | 00:31 |
| loquacities | oh, hi berndbausch good to see you :) | 00:31 |
| berndbausch | three months absence | 00:31 |
| loquacities | it's been a while ;) | 00:31 |
| * bmoss is here | 00:31 | |
| berndbausch | if I am the only audience, it will be a cozy meeting | 00:31 |
| loquacities | i think we have a few other lurkers | 00:32 |
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| loquacities | dnavale: are you here? | 00:32 |
| dnavale | hey.. | 00:32 |
| loquacities | seems to be a distinct absence of red hatters ... | 00:33 |
| loquacities | hi! | 00:33 |
| dnavale | they are away or in training this week | 00:33 |
| loquacities | lucky them ;) | 00:33 |
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| bmoss | I think adahms is in Raleigh. | 00:33 |
| JRobinson__ | here o/ sorry for the delay | 00:33 |
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| loquacities | oh, there's dmacpher | 00:33 |
| bmoss | but there's dmacpher | 00:33 |
| dnavale | yup.. that's right bmoss | 00:33 |
| Sam-I-Am | moo. | 00:33 |
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| loquacities | hiya Sam-I-Am | 00:33 |
| dmacpher | Hi, what's up? | 00:34 |
| loquacities | ok, let's get started | 00:34 |
| loquacities | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 00:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from the last meeting (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 00:34 | |
| JRobinson__ | dmacpher, o/ | 00:34 |
| loquacities | none that i can see | 00:34 |
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| loquacities | #topic Specs in review #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/docs-specs,n,z | 00:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs in review #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/docs-specs,n,z (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 00:34 | |
| loquacities | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/217711/ (Liberty - Training Labs - naming now sorted out) | 00:34 |
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| bmoss | yay! | 00:35 |
| loquacities | oops | 00:35 |
| loquacities | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/217711/ (Liberty - Training Labs - naming now sorted out) | 00:35 |
| loquacities | yeah, so that one needs some review love now, i think | 00:35 |
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| loquacities | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/227636/ (Mitaka - Ops Guide RST conversion) | 00:35 |
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| loquacities | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/227660/ (Mitaka - Ops Guide reorg) | 00:35 |
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| loquacities | and my personal favourite: | 00:35 |
| loquacities | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/224420/ (Mitaka - DocImpact) | 00:35 |
| loquacities | feel free to comment on that one | 00:35 |
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| loquacities | oh hi katomo :) | 00:36 |
| JRobinson__ | doc impact behaviour changes are important | 00:36 |
| loquacities | JRobinson__: i agree | 00:36 |
| katomo | Hi loquacities | 00:36 |
| loquacities | we just need to come to a consensus on what those changes should be ;) | 00:36 |
| loquacities | ok, that's all the specs | 00:36 |
| loquacities | any questions on those? | 00:36 |
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| loquacities | right, moving on | 00:37 |
| loquacities | #topic Speciality teams: #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/SpecialityTeams | 00:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Speciality teams: #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/SpecialityTeams (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 00:37 | |
| loquacities | #info HA Guide - Reviewing content. Any help appreciated. | 00:37 |
| loquacities | the HA team could REALLY use a hand right now, if anyone has time free | 00:37 |
| loquacities | it's getting critical | 00:38 |
| loquacities | #info Install Guides - Need help testing against Liberty as packages are released: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/LibertyDocTesting | 00:38 |
| loquacities | Sam-I-Am: which packages are available now? just ubuntu still? | 00:38 |
| bmoss | Fedora has some up | 00:38 |
| loquacities | ooh, neat | 00:38 |
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| bmoss | I don't know about SUSE, but Sam-I-Am said someone is testing it | 00:39 |
| loquacities | the mysterious "someone" :P | 00:39 |
| bmoss | yeah ;) | 00:39 |
| Sam-I-Am | loquacities: ubuntu and fedora that i know of | 00:39 |
| Sam-I-Am | supposedly suse has some | 00:39 |
| katomo | :) | 00:39 |
| loquacities | yay! we're really starting to get somewhere then :) | 00:40 |
| Sam-I-Am | pranav sulunke? cant remember how to spell it | 00:40 |
| loquacities | #info Networking Guide - Test & review for Liberty updates. | 00:40 |
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| Sam-I-Am | he was on the install guide meeting this morning | 00:40 |
| loquacities | Sam-I-Am: dguitarbite? | 00:40 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah maybe thats him | 00:40 |
| loquacities | :) | 00:40 |
| Sam-I-Am | training guide guy | 00:40 |
| loquacities | yep, that's him :) | 00:40 |
| loquacities | glad he's getting in on the action | 00:41 |
| Sam-I-Am | networking guide - probably no attention until post-liberty | 00:41 |
| Sam-I-Am | mostly because i'm tied up with the install guide | 00:41 |
| loquacities | yeah, i figured that might be the case for networking | 00:41 |
| loquacities | it's in pretty good shape | 00:41 |
| loquacities | #info Security Guide - RST conversion complete, and live. | 00:41 |
| loquacities | same with the security guide, not much action there | 00:41 |
| loquacities | #info User Guides - Cloud Admin Guide reorg - big moves held over to Mitaka | 00:42 |
| loquacities | JRobinson__: anything you want to add on user guides? | 00:42 |
| JRobinson__ | ^that's right | 00:42 |
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| loquacities | hi Daisy :) | 00:42 |
| Daisy | Hi | 00:42 |
| loquacities | JRobinson__: cool :) | 00:42 |
| loquacities | #info Ops/Arch Guides - Please review Mitaka specs. | 00:42 |
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| JRobinson__ | just that the priorty for the liberty guide publication date is small changes - checking out passive voice bugs or searching for wording that could do with more clarity | 00:43 |
| loquacities | +1 | 00:43 |
| loquacities | #info API docs - See status update #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2015-September/007487.html | 00:43 |
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| loquacities | new API update from russell there | 00:43 |
| loquacities | #info Config Ref - Need help testing against Liberty as packages are released: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/LibertyDocTesting | 00:43 |
| loquacities | #info OpenStack Training Labs - Contact Pranav Salunke #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/openstack-labs | 00:44 |
| loquacities | ^^ they need their specs reviewed, too | 00:44 |
| loquacities | we finally sorted out what to call them | 00:44 |
| Sam-I-Am | aight, i gotta run | 00:44 |
| loquacities | cya Sam-I-Am | 00:44 |
| loquacities | thanks for coming :) | 00:44 |
| Sam-I-Am | going to airplane | 00:44 |
| Sam-I-Am | sure | 00:44 |
| loquacities | o/ | 00:44 |
| loquacities | #topic Countdown to Liberty | 00:44 |
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| loquacities | #info Only 14 Days! #link http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/launch?iso=20151015T00&p0=1440&msg=OpenStack+Liberty+Launch+Date&font=hand | 00:45 |
| loquacities | #info We have closed 553 bugs so far for this release | 00:45 |
| loquacities | #info Release notes: #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ReleaseNotes/Liberty | 00:45 |
| JRobinson__ | that's awesome work :) | 00:45 |
| loquacities | #info Waiting on Install Guide testing to be further along before we branch | 00:45 |
| loquacities | yeah, it's a huge number of bugs | 00:45 |
| loquacities | if no new bugs were opened during liberty, we'd have nothing left in our queue | 00:45 |
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| loquacities | any questions on liberty release? | 00:46 |
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| katomo | none | 00:47 |
| loquacities | wow, ok | 00:47 |
| JRobinson__ | cannot think of any at this time | 00:47 |
| loquacities | #topic Mitaka Design Summit | 00:47 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Mitaka Design Summit (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 00:47 | |
| loquacities | #info I will remain as PTL for Mitaka | 00:47 |
| loquacities | #info We have session allocations for docs now. Add your suggestions here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Tokyo-DocsSessions | 00:47 |
| loquacities | i'm going to be turning that etherpad into a draft schedule probably today or tomorrow, so hurry if you have suggestions still | 00:47 |
| loquacities | any questions on summit? | 00:48 |
| berndbausch | who is coming? | 00:48 |
| * bmoss will be in Tokyo | 00:48 | |
| katomo | o/ | 00:48 |
| JRobinson__ | I'm travelling to Tokyo as well | 00:49 |
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| loquacities | berndbausch: are you coming? | 00:49 |
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| berndbausch | I am already in Tokyo | 00:49 |
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| loquacities | ohhh, convenient :P | 00:49 |
| loquacities | i'll see you there! | 00:50 |
| loquacities | ok, let's move on .... | 00:50 |
| loquacities | #topic Spotlight bugs | 00:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Spotlight bugs (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 00:50 | |
| loquacities | #info During Liberty we spotlighted a total of 24 bugs, exactly half of which have now been closed. Thanks go out to Tom Fifield, Olga Gusarenko, Yusuke Ide, Brian Moss, Deena Cooper, and Alexandra Settle. | 00:50 |
| loquacities | #topic If it's not triaged, don't fix it! | 00:51 |
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| loquacities | #info just a reminder to make sure you're having your bugs independently verified and confirmed before you create a patch | 00:51 |
| loquacities | nobody wants to -2 a patch (or get a -2 on your patch), this is a good way to avoid it | 00:52 |
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| JRobinson__ | ^+1 look out for a comment or the states changed from new to confirmed | 00:52 |
| JRobinson__ | s/states/status | 00:52 |
| loquacities | on the flipside: make sure you're triaging whenever you can | 00:52 |
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| loquacities | the new bug count has been hovering over 50 recently, which is higher than i would like | 00:52 |
| loquacities | and, on that happy note, i think we're done here ... | 00:53 |
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| loquacities | #topic Open discussion | 00:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 00:53 | |
| loquacities | anything else? | 00:53 |
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| loquacities | ok, i think we can call that a wrap, then | 00:54 |
| loquacities | thank you everyone :) | 00:54 |
| katomo | thanks, see you in tokyo. | 00:55 |
| berndbausch | sye | 00:55 |
| berndbausch | bye | 00:55 |
| loquacities | yep, see you in tokyo! | 00:55 |
| JRobinson__ | o/ | 00:55 |
| loquacities | #endmeeting | 00:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 30 00:55:36 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 00:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-09-30-00.30.html | 00:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-09-30-00.30.txt | 00:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-09-30-00.30.log.html | 00:55 |
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| skraynev | #startmeeting heat | 06:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 30 06:59:37 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is skraynev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 06:59 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 06:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 06:59 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 06:59 |
| skraynev | #topic rollcall | 06:59 |
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| tspatzier | hi all | 07:00 |
| ramishra | hi | 07:00 |
| sirushti | o/ | 07:00 |
| KanagarajM | hi | 07:00 |
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| rakesh_hs | o/ | 07:00 |
| pas-ha | o/ | 07:00 |
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| skraynev | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282015-09-30_0700_UTC.29 | 07:01 |
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| skraynev | #topic Adding items to agenda | 07:01 |
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| stevebaker | \o | 07:01 |
| skraynev | we have a short agenda now. | 07:02 |
| skraynev | does anybody want to add something ? | 07:02 |
| stevebaker | skraynev: liberty rc2 status | 07:02 |
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| skraynev | stevebaker: done | 07:03 |
| skraynev | let's start from this :) | 07:03 |
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| skraynev | #topic liberty rc 2 status | 07:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "liberty rc 2 status (Meeting topic: heat)" | 07:03 | |
| stevebaker | the update is that there is no update ;) | 07:04 |
| ramishra | lol | 07:04 |
| skraynev | :) | 07:04 |
| stevebaker | rc2 window isn't open yet | 07:04 |
| stevebaker | but we will need an rc2 since we have a regression on nova-network | 07:04 |
| skraynev | ttx said, that swift has not rc-1 yet... | 07:04 |
| skraynev | so probably rc2 will be only on the next week | 07:04 |
| stevebaker | and once the window opens I'd like a lot of these to be backported, so get your cherry-pick fingers ready https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bugs?field.tag=liberty-rc-potential | 07:05 |
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| stevebaker | that is all | 07:05 |
| skraynev | stevebaker: +1 | 07:05 |
| skraynev | stevebaker: thx for the update | 07:06 |
| stevebaker | np | 07:06 |
| pas-ha | some of those not merged yet :( | 07:06 |
| skraynev | #topic Heat Gate state | 07:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Heat Gate state (Meeting topic: heat)" | 07:06 | |
| skraynev | pas-ha: because of ^ | 07:06 |
| pas-ha | skraynev, yeah | 07:06 |
| skraynev | ramishra: I have seen that tempest patch was merged | 07:07 |
| ramishra | skraynev: yep | 07:07 |
| skraynev | and fix for our gate was approved too | 07:07 |
| skraynev | looks like gate will unblock soon | 07:07 |
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| pas-ha | the parallel SD test is also failing quite a lot | 07:08 |
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| skraynev | ramishra: ceilometer issue also was solved by patch from sirushti | 07:08 |
| pas-ha | the functional one that is | 07:08 |
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| stevebaker | pas-ha: we think that is a duplicate with another gate-failure bug | 07:08 |
| skraynev | pas-ha: AFAIK, ramishra may shed a light on it too | 07:09 |
| ramishra | pas-ha: I think it's the same as https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1498495 | 07:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1498495 in heat "ActionInProgress_Remote: Stack TemplateResourceUpdateFailedTest already has an action (CREATE) in progress." [High,In progress] - Assigned to Rabi Mishra (rabi) | 07:09 |
| ramishra | http://logs.openstack.org/96/228796/3/check/gate-heat-dsvm-functional-orig-mysql/e013ae4/logs/screen-h-eng.txt.gz?level=ERROR#_2015-09-30_02_11_42_318 | 07:09 |
| ramishra | I can see the same errors for this test. | 07:09 |
| stevebaker | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/227156/ is ramishra's fix | 07:10 |
| skraynev | pas-ha: so review for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/227156/3 potentially solves issue | 07:10 |
| pas-ha | ok, got it, will check it out | 07:10 |
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| skraynev | I plan to look on it today, but if somebody else do it first - it will be awesome :) | 07:10 |
| pas-ha | we need to merge one patch to merge another patch to unblock heat-templates gate.. | 07:10 |
| skraynev | oh. right | 07:11 |
| skraynev | pas-ha: could you give update about your work related with fixinf heat-templates gate | 07:11 |
| skraynev | *fixing | 07:11 |
| pas-ha | so, this one allows many-to-one mapping in environments https://review.openstack.org/#/c/227875/ | 07:12 |
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| pas-ha | and this one maps (almost) everything in heat-templates to OS::Heat::None https://review.openstack.org/#/c/227703/ | 07:13 |
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| pas-ha | but we have another parallel bug on heat templates gates where cyclic dependencies are now get caught by template-validate for some templates | 07:13 |
| KanagarajM | after shardys fix on the template validation to align with stack creat action, there are some templates fails with circular reference error , so trying this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226244/ | 07:14 |
| pas-ha | probably I would have to squash KanagarajM fix and mine in one commit | 07:14 |
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| stevebaker | so those templates with cyclic deps were broken anyway? | 07:14 |
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| pas-ha | yep | 07:15 |
| stevebaker | good catch | 07:15 |
| KanagarajM | pas-ha: yes, but seems there are some other issue, that once heat-template build fails, http://logs.openstack.org/44/226244/3/check/gate-heat-templates-dsvm/8df60b1/logs/devstack-gate-setup-workspace-new.txt.gz#_2015-09-23_06_33_50_036 | 07:15 |
| pas-ha | how about we just delete them? | 07:16 |
| pas-ha | or indeed try to rework and remove cucles | 07:16 |
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| KanagarajM | pas-ha: i didn't know how to remove the circular ref in those templates, so thought of tagging them as invalid. | 07:16 |
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| skraynev | pas-ha: is it possible to fix them in short time frame? | 07:17 |
| pas-ha | I will take a look | 07:17 |
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| KanagarajM | but this build error mentioned above seems to be different | 07:17 |
| skraynev | KanagarajM: but now looks like you just remove them or not ? | 07:17 |
| stevebaker | I would say there is nothing useful in any cfn/F17 template ;) | 07:18 |
| pas-ha | no, they are moved to special folder that does not get validated | 07:18 |
| pas-ha | stevebaker, easy fix then :) | 07:18 |
| pas-ha | kill'em in fire | 07:18 |
| KanagarajM | yes, i tried that way, moving them to invalid , but above error needs to be fixed too | 07:18 |
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| KanagarajM | it looks like some jenkins job git related error | 07:19 |
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| KanagarajM | sirushti: did you get chance to look at it ? | 07:19 |
| skraynev | stevebaker: sounds like a first step for deprecation AWS resources :) | 07:20 |
| stevebaker | I *suppose* they're useful to keep around for checking on heat validation regressions | 07:20 |
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| stevebaker | just not the invalid ones | 07:20 |
| pas-ha | like a separate validate call that must fail? | 07:21 |
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| stevebaker | hmm, maybe not | 07:22 |
| sirushti | KanagarajM, not yet, best ask the infra team for that | 07:22 |
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| skraynev | ok. As I understood pas-ha: will provide squashed fix | 07:25 |
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| stevebaker | FYI, RC2 opens early next week, you heard it here first | 07:25 |
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| KanagarajM | sirushti: ok sure | 07:25 |
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| ramishra | gate is unblocked:) push the recheck buttons;) | 07:26 |
| skraynev | and sirushti or KanagarajM : will investigate issue with "git" | 07:26 |
| skraynev | ramishra: super. thank you :) | 07:26 |
| KanagarajM | skraynev: sure. i will try to check with infr team | 07:26 |
| skraynev | KanagarajM: thank you ;) | 07:27 |
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| skraynev | ok. got to the next topic | 07:27 |
| skraynev | #topic Separate job for services under Apache | 07:27 |
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| skraynev | during L we did most part of necessary work to make it work | 07:28 |
| skraynev | so now will be really useful to make sure, that it works for tempests tests | 07:28 |
| skraynev | how about adding separate tempest job with api services launched under Apache ? | 07:29 |
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| stevebaker | maybe we could just switch gate-tempest-dsvm-heat to apache and leave gate-heat-dsvm-functional as is? | 07:30 |
| pas-ha | btw, not sure how sighup func tests would behave on api under apache | 07:31 |
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| skraynev | sounds like a strong way... how about soft migration plan | 07:31 |
| skraynev | separate non voting job with same bunch of tests ? | 07:31 |
| stevebaker | we could start with an experimental job rather than non-voting | 07:31 |
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| skraynev | when we make sure, that it works we switch our main job to Apache | 07:31 |
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| skraynev | stevebaker: yeah right. experimental is better | 07:32 |
| skraynev | experimental -> stable works experimental -> replacing gate-tempest-dsvm-heat | 07:33 |
| skraynev | gate-heat-dsvm-functional - agree, let's leave it without any changes | 07:34 |
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| stevebaker | sounds like a plan | 07:34 |
| skraynev | good. | 07:34 |
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| skraynev | #topic Open discussion | 07:34 |
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| sirushti | so, just a heads up, there will be a non-voting heat-dsvm-functional job for python34 | 07:35 |
| sirushti | so, that's going to be running the integration test suite against heat running on the python3.4 interpreter | 07:36 |
| skraynev | sirushti: with enabled convergence ? :) | 07:36 |
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| pas-ha | I also had an idea to lessen the burden on the gates and follow Ironic/Neutron/Swift approach - if the patch only touches docs/unit tests - run only pep8/pyXX gates | 07:37 |
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| pas-ha | and docs | 07:37 |
| sirushti | skraynev, just the legacy one for now, maybe an experimental job for convergence? | 07:37 |
| pas-ha | and if only docs are touched - only docs/pep8 | 07:37 |
| stevebaker | permutation explosion! py27/py34, mysql/postgres, apache/wsgi, convergence/classic | 07:38 |
| pas-ha | yay! | 07:38 |
| sirushti | heh | 07:38 |
| skraynev | sirushti: I personally think, that if we officially announce, that totally support py34 - we should have non-voting for py34 | 07:38 |
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| sirushti | sure, a non-voting job is in the pipeline for Heat btw -> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/228194/ | 07:39 |
| sirushti | skraynev, ^ | 07:39 |
| skraynev | sirushti: for default will be enough for now | 07:39 |
| stevebaker | sirushti: does this mean that devstack can choose some services to run under py34? | 07:39 |
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| * stevebaker wants to switch | 07:39 | |
| sirushti | stevebaker, yup, so I'm still reworking that patch -> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/181165/ | 07:39 |
| sirushti | stevebaker, so if a service consists of the necessary trove classifiers | 07:40 |
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| stevebaker | sirushti: very nice | 07:40 |
| sirushti | stevebaker, devstack install the python3 version of that service to /usr/local/bin i | 07:40 |
| skraynev | stevebaker: do you mean switch all jobs ? | 07:41 |
| stevebaker | skraynev: no, for local dev | 07:41 |
| skraynev | pas-ha: I like this idea | 07:41 |
| skraynev | pas-ha: welcome with patch for this stuff | 07:41 |
| pas-ha | ok | 07:41 |
| sirushti | pas-ha, agreed! | 07:41 |
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| * skraynev imagine Tokyo announce: "Heat totally migrate on py34..." with other Openstack on py27 :) | 07:42 | |
| stevebaker | pas-ha: I think there are a couple of mechanisms in project-config to do that | 07:42 |
| pas-ha | I know, already saw them | 07:43 |
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| pas-ha | though I might get troubles writing a regex for all our zoo of job names :) | 07:45 |
| skraynev | pas-ha: good chance to rename them and make more clear for newcomers :) | 07:46 |
| skraynev | or maybe not so clear as it's :) | 07:46 |
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| skraynev | Also during yesterday meeting with release team was mentioned mail: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-September/075608.html | 07:48 |
| skraynev | I have not read it yet. Need to make sure, that our deprecation process is corresponding. | 07:49 |
| stevebaker | I've not read it either, but I'm guessing our current practice is close enough to it that we should go for the tag | 07:50 |
| skraynev | stevebaker: yeap. I think so too. | 07:51 |
| pas-ha | Just skimmed through, we are close enough | 07:51 |
| pas-ha | only not sure how we relate to defcore | 07:51 |
| skraynev | also on desert two links on cross-project specs: https://review.openstack.org/226157 Backwards compatibility for clients and libraries | 07:51 |
| skraynev | Service Catalog Standardization https://review.openstack.org/181393 | 07:52 |
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| skraynev | pas-ha:as I understand they have list API which should be covered by tests... I suppose, that stevebaker knows more about it | 07:54 |
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| stevebaker | pas-ha: defcore? the process has started, but will be on hold until we figure out how to handle the contradiction of defcore tests being in tempest, and tempest encouraging tests to be moved in-tree | 07:55 |
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| stevebaker | pas-ha: there was a mail on openstack-dev not so long ago | 07:56 |
| ramishra | stevebaker: Is there a plan to move the api tests in-tree in the near future? | 07:56 |
| skraynev | ramishra: looks like patch for cinder also need for Liberty, I added tag liberty-rc-potential. Could you upload a backport for this patch ? | 07:56 |
| hogepodge | stevebaker: if a test is defcore, qa would like it to stay in tempest. That may not be feasible in the long run, especially with test maintenance. In that case, being able to run the test as a plugin to tempest is a suitable alternative | 07:57 |
| ramishra | skraynev: ok | 07:57 |
| hogepodge | there's definitely a tension there, but a preference to have interop tests be in tempest. | 07:57 |
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| stevebaker | pas-ha, ramishra: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-September/075033.html | 07:58 |
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| skraynev | ramishra: I wanted to discuss this plan during session in summit :) as I understand we need to add some tests for API in our Heat repo. migrate all functional tests to use tempest-lib and also remove duplicate tests between tempest and our internal integration tests | 07:58 |
| stevebaker | hogepodge: sure, but in my ideal scenario our defcore tests are developed in-tree then moved to tempest. So I'd like to look at us porting our tests to tempest-lib so moving tests is painless | 07:59 |
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| stevebaker | timezup | 08:00 |
| ramishra | yep | 08:00 |
| pas-ha | time's up | 08:00 |
| skraynev | yeah. | 08:00 |
| skraynev | #endmeeting | 08:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 08:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 30 08:00:33 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-09-30-06.59.html | 08:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-09-30-06.59.txt | 08:00 |
| skraynev | thank you all | 08:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-09-30-06.59.log.html | 08:00 |
| skraynev | :) | 08:00 |
| skraynev | let's continue in #heat | 08:00 |
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| BobBall | #startmeeting XenAPI | 09:32 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 30 09:32:49 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is BobBall. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:32 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:32 |
| BobBall | Morning all! | 09:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 09:32 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'xenapi' | 09:32 |
| BobBall | johnthetubaguy: ping! | 09:32 |
| huazhihao | bobball: Morning | 09:33 |
| BobBall | I say morning, but, of course, for the Nanjing team it's afternoon | 09:33 |
| huanxie | morning~ | 09:33 |
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| BobBall | Reminder that the agenda is here https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/XenAPI | 09:33 |
| jianghuaw | Good morning, guys. | 09:33 |
| BobBall | If there is anything to add, then please just add it | 09:33 |
| BobBall | Hmmm - one thing I noticed is that I need to update the meeting time | 09:33 |
| BobBall | The agenda says that it's on Wednesdays at 15:00 UTC which is old now. | 09:34 |
| * johnthetubaguy nods | 09:34 | |
| BobBall | Anyway - no actions | 09:34 |
| BobBall | Blueprints | 09:34 |
| BobBall | #topic Blueprints | 09:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Blueprints (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 09:34 | |
| BobBall | jianghuaw? Do we have a BP for Mitaka now? Or is that still under internal review *don't remember the status* | 09:34 |
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| BobBall | What we do have is prototype code that adds vGPU to Nova | 09:35 |
| jianghuaw | have not sent out yet for formal review. | 09:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I have a ask about that... | 09:35 |
| BobBall | #link https://review.openstack.org/223426 <-- prototype vGPU code | 09:35 |
| jianghuaw | yes. | 09:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | please don't internally review specs, please do that in gerrit | 09:35 |
| BobBall | This is jianghuaw's first spec so getting some internal eyes on it is useful | 09:36 |
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| jianghuaw | sure, I did some change today and will send out for gerrit review soon. | 09:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | but those internal eyes can be in gerrit, with a WIP on it | 09:36 |
| BobBall | We weren't doing reviews of the approach - just of the format + detail contained | 09:36 |
| jianghuaw | exactly. | 09:37 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so I would still ask that happens in gerrit please, it really helps | 09:37 |
| BobBall | It will be going on to gerrit in the next few days I hope | 09:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | honestly, lots of specs I reviewed last cycle has a round of updates about not meeting the template, thats totally cool | 09:37 |
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| jianghuaw | ok. I will send out review today. | 09:38 |
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| BobBall | Anyway - so there will be a spec we're proposing for Mitaka | 09:38 |
| BobBall | Any chance you would be one of the core sponsors johnthetubaguy? :) | 09:38 |
| jianghuaw | any comments are welcome and appreciated. | 09:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | we don't really have core sponsors for blueprints | 09:39 |
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| johnthetubaguy | it didn't work, so we abandoned the idea really | 09:39 |
| BobBall | Ah - my misunderstanding of the process then | 09:39 |
| BobBall | Shows how many specs I was involved in for Liberty | 09:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think we stopped that kilo | 09:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | so there is a doc here with the details: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Liberty_Release_Schedule#How_do_I_get_my_code_merged.3F | 09:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | although I clearly need to move that soon! | 09:40 |
| BobBall | Shows how many specs I was involved in for Kilo :) | 09:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | the above doc talks about *why* we do things, which is really interesting | 09:40 |
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| BobBall | Thanks for the link | 09:41 |
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| johnthetubaguy | this one talks about internal reviews: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Mentoring#Why_do_code_reviews_if_I_am_not_in_nova-core.3F | 09:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | which made me realise its in the wrong place really | 09:41 |
| BobBall | :) | 09:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | but hey, ho, its all WIP really | 09:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | ideas on structure and updates very very welcome! | 09:41 |
| BobBall | Anyway - Do you know roughly when Mitaka specs open? Is that when Liberty branches? | 09:41 |
| BobBall | Or do the specs open at any time? | 09:41 |
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| johnthetubaguy | mitaka specs opened for review about one or two months ago | 09:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | master is now mitaka | 09:42 |
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| BobBall | Oh blimey. I'm behind then | 09:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | we opened mitaka specs just after the midcycle | 09:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | but honestly, only just starting to get core reviews on there now | 09:42 |
| BobBall | OK - so jianghuaw - if you upload the spec, create the BP then we can hopefully have it discussed in a nova meeting as per the flowchart | 09:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | its only spec less blueprints that need to go in the meeting | 09:43 |
| BobBall | oh. Lack of labels in the flow chart. Clearly I didn't realise the difference between a solid and dotted line :) | 09:44 |
| BobBall | I assume from the top solid is yes and dotted is no | 09:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I am lazy, the labels are only at the top | 09:44 |
| BobBall | OK - well, we'd like to aim for M-1 so we'll be revising the spec quite hard when comments are received | 09:45 |
| BobBall | Moving on - huanxie - update on Neutron status? | 09:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | the slight issues with vGPU is that it touches flavor extra specs, but lets try not to worry about that right now | 09:46 |
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| johnthetubaguy | (or I assume it does) | 09:46 |
| huanxie | hi, I'm working on RDO+XS+Neutron | 09:46 |
| BobBall | We're very happy for the prototype code to be completely rewritten based on the approved design in the spec ;) | 09:46 |
| huanxie | with single box installation, I can launch a new instance with correct IP at VLAN mode | 09:47 |
| BobBall | Excellent - this is based on which OpenStack release? | 09:47 |
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| huanxie | it's about kilo, if I remember correct. And Guest VM is CentOS7.0 | 09:48 |
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| BobBall | Ah great | 09:49 |
| BobBall | We did find one thing that you might be interested in johnthetubaguy | 09:49 |
| BobBall | We can't use vxlan with XenServer | 09:49 |
| huanxie | When using all-in-one installation, we need to manually start another neutron-openvswitch-agent | 09:49 |
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| johnthetubaguy | why not? | 09:50 |
| BobBall | vxlan requires an OVS tunnel between two endpoints. Currently Neutron sets the tunnel up between compute <--> controller IP addresses, but because XenServer needs the OVS commands in dom0 the rule for the tunnel gets set up on the OVS in dom0, which does not have the compute's IP address | 09:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, should be hypervisor IPs not compute IP | 09:50 |
| BobBall | *nod* but I suspect that would be the start of the problems rather than the end | 09:51 |
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| johnthetubaguy | quark doesn't use neutron agents, as far as I understand | 09:51 |
| BobBall | Other fun things include the OVS agent detecting IPv6 based on the Compute VM rather than dom0 :) | 09:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | its an interestingly different approach (not saying I like it) | 09:51 |
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| BobBall | It is 'different'. That's for sure. | 09:52 |
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| johnthetubaguy | what about running nova inside dom0 for the neutron support? | 09:52 |
| BobBall | Possible only in Dundee | 09:52 |
| BobBall | because of python versions | 09:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | far from ideal, but maybe less effort | 09:52 |
| BobBall | Well - vlan mode works for Neutron in our current architecture | 09:53 |
| BobBall | We can have a look at proxying the retrieval of the IP address for the tunnel endpoint for vxlan or something like that | 09:53 |
| johnthetubaguy | yep, just putting that out there | 09:53 |
| BobBall | *nod* | 09:53 |
| BobBall | Worth a look; but would have all sorts of different races etc | 09:54 |
| BobBall | Just out of interest, would RAX rather run in dom0 or continue in a domu? | 09:54 |
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| johnthetubaguy | depends how much we could contain nova-compute I think | 09:54 |
| BobBall | I see - so if it could be in a venv or similar then maybe. Will think about that. | 09:55 |
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| johnthetubaguy | well we run it in a venv already | 09:55 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I am more thinking about cgroups and things, to restrict the process | 09:55 |
| BobBall | OK - final update from huazhihao - Mirantis integration | 09:55 |
| BobBall | *nod* | 09:55 |
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| huazhihao | Yes | 09:57 |
| huazhihao | Last week we have delivered the fuel plugin | 09:57 |
| huazhihao | With some docs and guides | 09:57 |
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| johnthetubaguy | its that specific to kilo fuel? | 09:58 |
| huazhihao | Nope juno | 09:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | or its it more independent of that | 09:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | oh, OK | 09:58 |
| BobBall | #link http://ca.downloads.xensource.com/OpenStack/Plugins | 09:58 |
| huazhihao | Kilo fuel is just released. But we will catch up with this one | 09:58 |
| BobBall | Fuel 6.1 which is Juno based | 09:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | so juno is out of support soon, I think | 09:59 |
| BobBall | Fuel 7.0 (Kilo) was just released two days ago | 09:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | got it | 09:59 |
| BobBall | But actually the plugin is almost entirely independent of OS version | 09:59 |
| BobBall | OpenStack* version | 09:59 |
| johnthetubaguy | I was hoping thats true :) | 09:59 |
| huazhihao | Yes | 10:00 |
| BobBall | Packages the Nova plugins, but that's all | 10:00 |
| huazhihao | Mostly | 10:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | first one is always the hardest, with any luck | 10:00 |
| huazhihao | Yes, we have run into some problems about race conditions. | 10:00 |
| BobBall | Thankfully huazhihao is now a Fuel expert | 10:00 |
| huazhihao | Come on Bob | 10:00 |
| BobBall | Race condition is likely to be in the Fuel tests | 10:00 |
| BobBall | rather than the XenAPI code | 10:00 |
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| BobBall | We fixed a similar race in Tempest a year or so back | 10:01 |
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| BobBall | (basically around waiting for images vs serves to be 'ready' after a snapshot) | 10:01 |
| BobBall | OK | 10:02 |
| BobBall | Drat - we're out of time | 10:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | hmm, interesting | 10:02 |
| BobBall | Anything else to raise today's meeting? | 10:02 |
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| huazhihao | Ah that is all for me. | 10:02 |
| BobBall | In which case, thanks all for the meeting | 10:03 |
| BobBall | Meet again same time, same place, 2 weeks (14th October) | 10:03 |
| BobBall | #endmeeting | 10:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 10:03 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 30 10:03:32 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 10:03 |
| huazhihao | bobball: Thank you | 10:03 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2015/xenapi.2015-09-30-09.32.html | 10:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2015/xenapi.2015-09-30-09.32.txt | 10:03 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2015/xenapi.2015-09-30-09.32.log.html | 10:03 |
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| SotK | Anyone here for the StoryBoard meeting today? | 15:00 |
| Zara | I am! | 15:00 |
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| SotK | #startmeeting storyboard | 15:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 30 15:01:00 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SotK. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 15:01 |
| SotK | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StoryBoard Agenda | 15:01 |
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| * SotK doesn't know of anything to announce | 15:01 | |
| SotK | or urgent items for that matter | 15:02 |
| Zara | yeah, don't think there's anything super important. | 15:02 |
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| SotK | in that case... | 15:03 |
| SotK | #topic In Progress Work | 15:03 |
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| SotK | #info SotK is still looking at worklists and boards. | 15:03 |
| SotK | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/202989/ Spec | 15:03 |
| SotK | Found about a million more problems after adding validation. Think I've solved most of them at last, tidying up my code now. | 15:03 |
| Zara | hehe | 15:04 |
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| Zara | I've been tidying up the subscriptions code I submitted earlier; went away to learn about services in angular and have now returned! | 15:04 |
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| Zara | needs a clean up but it should be far fewer LOC | 15:04 |
| SotK | \o/ | 15:04 |
| SotK | #info Zara is tidying up the subscriptions speedup patch | 15:05 |
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| SotK | I don't know of any other in-progress work | 15:07 |
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| SotK | #topic Open Discussion | 15:08 |
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| SotK | Anyone have anything to discuss? | 15:08 |
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| Zara | not that I can think of; I tend to end up using #storyboard for discussing things, hehe | 15:09 |
| * SotK waits to see if anyone is lurking with something to say... | 15:10 | |
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| Zara | anything we should bring up at the summit | 15:11 |
| Zara | ? | 15:11 |
| Zara | just remembered | 15:11 |
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| SotK | aha! | 15:12 |
| SotK | It would be useful to attempt to find out what people dislike most about storyboard | 15:12 |
| SotK | or what features it is missing that they most need | 15:12 |
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| Zara | ah yes | 15:12 |
| Zara | yeah, there are lots of things listed, but they're quite old and needs may well have shifted | 15:13 |
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| SotK | indeed | 15:14 |
| Zara | I agree it's useful info, anyway. not sure how to get it... | 15:14 |
| Zara | this will be my first summit | 15:14 |
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| * SotK isn't sure either, I guess just try to grab people from teams who use storyboard to chat sometime? | 15:15 | |
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| Zara | also wondering how I'll recognise anyone | 15:16 |
| SotK | heh, I dunno how to solve that | 15:16 |
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| SotK | Anything else? | 15:19 |
| Zara | as always, if anyone out there in the wild would like to talk | 15:19 |
| Zara | all things storyboard | 15:19 |
| Zara | now is the time! | 15:19 |
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| SotK | clearly the wild is too exciting! | 15:21 |
| * SotK ends the meeting... | 15:21 | |
| SotK | .. | 15:21 |
| SotK | . | 15:21 |
| SotK | #endmeeting | 15:21 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 30 15:21:25 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:21 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2015/storyboard.2015-09-30-15.01.html | 15:21 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2015/storyboard.2015-09-30-15.01.txt | 15:21 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2015/storyboard.2015-09-30-15.01.log.html | 15:21 |
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| smcginnis | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 30 16:00:19 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| thingee | o/ | 16:00 |
| rajinir | howdy | 16:00 |
| jgregor | Hello! | 16:00 |
| geguileo | Hi! | 16:00 |
| rhedlind | hi | 16:00 |
| Swanson | Hello | 16:00 |
| eharney | hi | 16:00 |
| cebruns | Hi | 16:00 |
| xyang | hi | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | scottda: Very funny. | 16:00 |
| jgriffith | o/ | 16:00 |
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| scottda | Hi | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | Welcome | 16:00 |
| diablo_rojo | hi :) | 16:00 |
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| smcginnis | #topic Announcements | 16:01 |
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| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | Not much from my end yet. | 16:01 |
| hemna | flerm | 16:01 |
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| thingee | I have something | 16:01 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | thingee: Do you have any Liberty business to discuss? | 16:01 |
| tbarron | hi | 16:01 |
| ameade | hi | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | flubber | 16:01 |
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| smcginnis | thingee: OK, all yours. | 16:01 |
| thingee | the base deprecation policy has been accepted | 16:01 |
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| kmartin | o/, congrats smcginnis, with your new found power | 16:01 |
| thingee | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-September/075608.html | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | kmartin: Thanks | 16:01 |
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| mriedem1 | o/ | 16:01 |
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| thingee | in Cinder we should keep such things in mind for obtaining the tag | 16:02 |
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| * hemna listens for darth vader breathing sounds....... | 16:02 | |
| hemna | :P | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | :) | 16:02 |
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| smcginnis | thingee: Thanks. Anything else? | 16:02 |
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| thingee | if anyone is not familiar with the base deprecation policy, feel free to read the foot notes from the dev list on the weekly newsletter http://www.openstack.org/blog/2015/09/openstack-community-weekly-newsletter-sept-12-18/ | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | thingee: Liking that devlist summary. | 16:03 |
| thingee | that's it | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | thingee: Thanks. | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | I guess I do have a couple things. | 16:03 |
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| smcginnis | For any third party drivers, if you did not see there's this: | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-September/075532.html | 16:04 |
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| smcginnis | We are following things for the most part, but worth reading through that thread. | 16:04 |
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| smcginnis | And one final announcement - for now at least - if you are going to be contributing a new driver... | 16:05 |
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| erlon | hi | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | Assume for now that we are following the existing deadlines of needing a new driver my M1. | 16:05 |
| thingee | smcginnis: I've worked briefly with hogepodge on the def core stuff here... he's done most of the work of course, but if anyone has questions they can ping me too | 16:05 |
| hemna | smcginnis, which includes CI reporting right ? | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | This is being discussed, but until we come to some other decisions you should follow what has been set. | 16:06 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: We are all in agreement that the CI testing we are currently doing meets the needs discussed there? | 16:06 |
| hogepodge | o/ | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | hemna: Yes! | 16:06 |
| hemna | :) | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: That is my understanding. | 16:06 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Thank you. | 16:06 |
| * thingee is replying to the milestone-1 driver deadline thread now | 16:06 | |
| thingee | smcginnis: ^ | 16:06 |
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| smcginnis | And definitely no change in needing CI for new drivers. | 16:06 |
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| smcginnis | thingee: Will watch for it. | 16:06 |
| hemna | yup, just wanted to make it obvious and clear. thanks | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | hemna: Yeah, good call. | 16:07 |
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| smcginnis | #topic API race patch series | 16:07 |
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| hogepodge | I'm happy to answer any questions you have. We want to work with your standards and use them to support good vendor behavior. | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: You're up. | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | thanks | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | hogepodge: Thanks! | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: Courtesy ping as well. | 16:08 |
| jgriffith | Ok, so first off I want should be clear that I think this is great work | 16:08 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: thanks :-) | 16:08 |
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| jgriffith | My concern is only being better organized in how it's done and making sure people are actually clear on how these patches work | 16:08 |
| geguileo | jgriffith: I have updated the specs | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | I also have difficulty with dependency chains once they are greater than 3 or 4 | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | 8 is def hard for me to keep up with | 16:09 |
| geguileo | they should be more clear on what it's been done and why | 16:09 |
| jgriffith | geguileo: thanks!! I'll look at it | 16:09 |
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| jgriffith | If I'm the only one that has these concerns I'll happily remove my down vote and we can get on with it | 16:09 |
| hemna | sounds good | 16:09 |
| geguileo | It wasn't supposed to get that many dependencies, but it grew | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | geguileo: hehe.. yeah, that happens :( | 16:10 |
| geguileo | jgriffith: Other people had concerns in the sense that it wasn't clear | 16:10 |
| dulek | Well we can either have a chain or unreviewable patches. | 16:10 |
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| dulek | Both approaches are bad. | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | dulek: I disagree with your statement 100% | 16:10 |
| geguileo | That's why they asked me to write better specs | 16:10 |
| jgriffith | dulek: IMO there's a balacne | 16:10 |
| hemna | jgriffith, so fwiw, I was a bit confused on some of the while loops, and was hoping to get some clarity in comments on some of those. | 16:10 |
| geguileo | jgriffith: I can split the dependencies | 16:11 |
| hemna | but I raised that with geguileo already and should be cool w/ updated patches | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | I do think it's a clear sign it needs to be well documented and communicated when it grows to that point. | 16:11 |
| * DuncanT is also not convinced that the entire patch series is the right way forward. I really like the first patch in the series though | 16:11 | |
| jgriffith | hemna: yeah... | 16:11 |
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| geguileo | jgriffith: But then it makes it harder for me to check tempest in my env with all patches applied simultaneously | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | So I guess my question is, "are these concerns just me"? | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | obviously dulek is good with it... how about others? | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: I agree with you. | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | Like I said, if it's just me I'll move along | 16:11 |
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| geguileo | So the concern is that it's not clear why I'm doing those loops in the patches | 16:12 |
| hemna | I'm ok with it, just wanted some clarifications on how the compare/swap db.conditional_update loops exit | 16:12 |
| geguileo | Or is it something else? | 16:12 |
| hemna | it just wasn't clear to me that it doesn't deadlock | 16:12 |
| geguileo | hemna: I tried to explain it in the specs, if it's not clear I'm improve it | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | One other thing.... geguileo are you going to be in Tokyo? | 16:12 |
| dulek | hemna: I think that's explained in the spec now. | 16:12 |
| geguileo | jgriffith: Yes | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | Maybe something of this magnitude deserves a discussion at the summit before we take it on? | 16:13 |
| xyang | hemna: you are working on removing locks, right? That is also related to geguileo's work? | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: +1 | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-mitaka-summit-topics | 16:13 |
| hemna | jgriffith, as a side note, this effort seems to be intertwined, if not a replacement for the remove volume locks spec that I've been updating. | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | There are folks that think this may not be a needed direction, but they appear to not have voices or keyboards :) | 16:13 |
| geguileo | jgriffith: You mean of the magnitude of removing API races? | 16:13 |
| hemna | I want to make sure we are on the same page | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | hemna: yeah.. so what are you proposing? | 16:13 |
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| hemna | well, the removal spec was out I think before the compare/swap stuff | 16:14 |
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| jgriffith | geguileo: yes... more accurately the magnitude of your patch set | 16:14 |
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| hemna | but I'm confused if his patches will already fix what we are trying to achieve | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | and as thingee pointed out on the ML there are other things in OpenStack going on like the hashring idea | 16:14 |
| geguileo | jgriffith: Well, we have api races everywhere, so they all have to be removed | 16:14 |
| hemna | geguileo, +1 | 16:14 |
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| jgriffith | which I spent some time looking at the other night and it's kinda slick | 16:14 |
| geguileo | jgriffith: That's why I tried to only update a couple of methods on each patch | 16:14 |
| dulek | hemna: The patches won't do that. geguileo doesn't change any API behavior. | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | geguileo: so one suggestion is focus on an api call at a time maybe? Rather than a huge dependency chain? | 16:15 |
| thingee | jgriffith: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-July/071072.html | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | thingee: thanks! | 16:15 |
| thingee | for reference of the hashring ml post | 16:15 |
| hemna | dulek, true, but as jgriffith pointed out in the removal spec, the delete volume case seems to be already covered, because it already checks valid states. | 16:15 |
| hemna | it's just confusing | 16:15 |
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| geguileo | jgriffith: Each patch focusses on one or two calls only | 16:15 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: I'm not understanding how the hash ring gives race free A/A... If it can, I'd like somebody to explain it slowly and possibly repeatedly until I get the point | 16:15 |
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| geguileo | jgriffith: That's why there are so many and there will be a lot more | 16:16 |
| dulek | hemna: I'll rethink that and reach you offline. | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: it's basically a lock mechanism | 16:16 |
| hemna | at this point, it might be beneficial to have a google hangout to hash some of this out? | 16:16 |
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| scottda | One question is: Can state of the volume be checked in the API to provide mutual exclusion i.e. distributed locking | 16:16 |
| hemna | I'd rather not wait until Tokyo ? | 16:16 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT: the thing there is it may not "solve" the races as they are today, but it will completely change the flow | 16:16 |
| thingee | jgriffith: a solution that has been accepted across different projects as well. | 16:16 |
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| dulek | hemna: +! | 16:17 |
| bswartz | hemna: +1 | 16:17 |
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| geguileo | hemna: +1 | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | ok.. | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | I guess I've said my part | 16:17 |
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| jgriffith | I'll remove my -2's and let other people speak up | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | thanks! | 16:17 |
| hemna | jgriffith, so thanks for bringing this up | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | hemna, geguileo: Do the two of you want to organize a hangout for this? | 16:17 |
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| hemna | this is a pretty critical change and I think we all want to make sure we are doing the right thing. | 16:17 |
| hemna | smcginnis, sure | 16:17 |
| geguileo | But the hangout would be for the API races | 16:18 |
| hemna | smcginnis, I'll work with geguileo on setting up a time for it. | 16:18 |
| geguileo | Or for removing the locks? | 16:18 |
| hemna | geguileo, it's all related though | 16:18 |
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| smcginnis | geguileo: It seems they are related, so both. | 16:18 |
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| smcginnis | hemna: Thank you. | 16:18 |
| geguileo | Ok, but removing the locks is more complicated | 16:18 |
| bswartz | in the past, it's worked to schedule a conference right after this meeting (1700UTC on wednesday) | 16:18 |
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| smcginnis | #topic Removal of V1 API | 16:19 |
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| smcginnis | jgriffith: You again. :) | 16:19 |
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| jgriffith | :) | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | So there has been a lot of stuff going on around this lately | 16:19 |
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| jgriffith | I just wanted to make sure the Cinder folks were all on the same page here, as there hasn't been much input from Cinder core on this | 16:19 |
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| smcginnis | Bottom line is, v1 can't go away as soon as we had hoped, right? | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | right :) | 16:20 |
| e0ne | even more: we can't disable it too | 16:20 |
| smcginnis | We have a lot of consumers of the API that just aren't ready. | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | that's pretty much it | 16:20 |
| * jungleboyj had wished it would go away in Kilo. or Liberty. :-) | 16:20 | |
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| jgriffith | honestly I think the answer is in fact microversions anyway after folks were talking about it this morning | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | then we just don't have this problem any longer | 16:21 |
| DuncanT | Trouble with no disabling it in devstack is we don't see all the failures until we do | 16:21 |
| e0ne | jgriffith: do you have any ideas how to force vendors to use api v2? | 16:21 |
| hemna | jgriffith, +1 | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: yeah, it's a vicious loop | 16:21 |
| e0ne | DuncanT: +2 | 16:21 |
| scottda | Shameless plug for microversions spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/223803/3 | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | scottda: +1 | 16:21 |
| bswartz | can someone explain why the v1 is so hard to kill when the official openstack deprecation policy is 1 release after? | 16:21 |
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| smcginnis | scottda: Very optimistic about that. | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: becasue we changed our response codes | 16:21 |
| DuncanT | microversions don't fix that much, since we need to empulate the V1/V2 behaviour forever with microversions | 16:22 |
| hemna | bswartz, because some clients were still stuck on v1 I thinks. | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: and we honestly don't have enough pull/activity outward to fix that everywhere | 16:22 |
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| e0ne | DuncanT: +2 again | 16:22 |
| bswartz | deprecation means those clients just have to stay with an older version though | 16:22 |
| DuncanT | bswartz: Pissing off customers is bad, whatever the policy says | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: not following? | 16:22 |
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| bswartz | if you don't force them to move, then they never will | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | In the ML someone had pointed out a good list of libraries still consuming the V1 API, beyond osc and cinderclient. | 16:22 |
| hemna | bswartz, +1 | 16:22 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: With microversions, any client can ask for the minimum version | 16:22 |
| bswartz | you have to make it more painful to stay on v1 than it would be to move to v2 | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | bswartz: That's the tricky part. | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: if you use microversioning techniques you can do things like specify in the call what version to use and thus what response you expect | 16:23 |
| hemna | bswartz, but on the same token....v2 better work :P and we've had stability issues | 16:23 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT: and if they choose to do so, then so beit | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: the point is that code never goes away, and probably shouldn't | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: that's kind of the whole point | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: and it makes us be "better" in how we do our API | 16:23 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: Yes, but since any new client might come along and expect the old (base version) behaviour, you can't change datastructures etc in such a way to improve the behaviour (e.g. lockless algorithms) unless you have a way of emulating the old behaviour on top of it | 16:24 |
| hemna | deprecate it, move all the clients to default to v2, and leave the v1 code in place to rot. | 16:24 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT: if somebody wants to sit on one version "forever" then that should be ok | 16:24 |
| e0ne | DuncanT: it means we need CIs for each version | 16:24 |
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| smcginnis | So we can deprecate APIs, but removal is another matter. | 16:24 |
| smcginnis | hemna: +1 | 16:24 |
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| hemna | yup | 16:24 |
| ameade | hemna: maybe even one more step of defaulting to v1 off | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: My contention is that if your API interface has that sort of thing in it, it's broken | 16:24 |
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| jungleboyj | hemna: +1 | 16:25 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: Our API has that sort of thing right now.... | 16:25 |
| hemna | we could make it a point to document the fact that we want folks to move to V2 and talk about it in the panel discussions, etc to help promote operators moving to V2. | 16:25 |
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| smcginnis | ameade: Tried that. It got reverted this morning. | 16:25 |
| jungleboyj | Need to get more people to V2 so we can stabilize it. | 16:25 |
| e0ne | hemna: how can we get list of "all clients"? | 16:25 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: Not a bad idea. | 16:25 |
| bswartz | the strategy we use with microversions is to prevent you from using new features until you stop using old features (basically you have to make your client compatible with the modern API if you want anything new) | 16:25 |
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| e0ne | hemna: good idea | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | Ok....... so looks like this topic was a bomb as well :( | 16:25 |
| DuncanT | e0ne: There was a list of the most popular clients on the mailing list thread | 16:25 |
| smcginnis | hemna: Promotion is probably the best we can do. +1 | 16:25 |
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| jgriffith | that's all I had really | 16:26 |
| hemna | smcginnis, well it can't hurt at least. | 16:26 |
| e0ne | DuncanT: and we are blocked by os-cloud-config project now | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | I would like to reach out to those clients from the ML and at least make sure they are aware of the v2 api. | 16:26 |
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| hemna | the more we promote it, the better and hopefully we'll get ops to start moving to it, instead of staying on v1 forever. | 16:26 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: YOu are good and finding those. | 16:26 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Yeah, the more people we can convince to move the better. | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | OK, probably as far as we can go for now. jgriffith: Good to move along? | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | yep | 16:27 |
| navneet | if we can help clients to move to newer versions then would it help? | 16:27 |
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| jgriffith | navneet: yes! | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | #topic Design Summit sessions | 16:27 |
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| navneet | I mean some way to emulate for sometime with a warn | 16:27 |
| DuncanT | navneet: Absolutely | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-mitaka-summit-topics | 16:27 |
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| smcginnis | Thanks thingee for going through these last week. | 16:28 |
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| smcginnis | I don't want to spend too much more time on it, but everyone please take a look. | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | So we have 4 fishbowl slots, but 2 topics listed so far. | 16:28 |
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| smcginnis | I seem to remember one working session that might have been a good candidate for a fishbowl. | 16:29 |
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| smcginnis | Does anyone else have any other needs for those, or should we give those slots back for someone else? | 16:29 |
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| DuncanT | smcginnis: Any other sessions that can be expanded into a fishbowl? | 16:30 |
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| smcginnis | DuncanT: That's what I'm wondering. | 16:30 |
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| smcginnis | We probably have some there that could be. | 16:30 |
| bswartz | fishbowls don't really have more time, it's just more space and more publicity | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | Or a combination of both. | 16:30 |
| DuncanT | smcginnis: Microversions and experimental APIs could easily take up more than a session depending on how they go down | 16:31 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: what about "Attaching a volume without Nova" session? | 16:31 |
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| smcginnis | Publicity being a good thing I would think. | 16:31 |
| jungleboyj | What about the Cinder Could/Should be the next ViPR discussion? | 16:31 |
| xyang | e0ne: that is a good one | 16:31 |
| DuncanT | jungleboyj: +1 | 16:31 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: Given our API issues, that could be a good one to make sure it has wider visibility. | 16:31 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: ++ to your idea as well. | 16:31 |
| bswartz | smcginnis: publicity can be bad if it invites people to come and offer useless opinions on stuff they know nothing about | 16:32 |
| tbarron | jungleboyj: +1 | 16:32 |
| thingee | jungleboyj: +1 | 16:32 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: +1 | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: no nova could be, but maybe the ViPR framed discussion might work better for the same intent? | 16:32 |
| DuncanT | bswartz: You cynic ;-) | 16:32 |
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| bswartz | generally publicity is good though -- in this community there's not much problem with people distracting from conversations | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | bswartz: We'll just have DuncanT escort them from the room. :) | 16:32 |
| jungleboyj | Could we use one as an add on to the Nova Cross Project discussion? | 16:32 |
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| * DuncanT plans on katana shopping in Tokyo anyway..... | 16:33 | |
| scottda | jungleboyj: +1 | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: ++ | 16:33 |
| e0ne | :) | 16:33 |
| smcginnis | scottda: Sorry, you're more on top of the cross project discussion than me. Input? | 16:33 |
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| scottda | I think Cinder could benefit from discussing NOva issues... | 16:33 |
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| scottda | I've asked to schedule something on the Nova agenda.. | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | Should we change the AZ topic to be general nova-cinder, or do we need both? | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | scottda: Oh, good! | 16:34 |
| navneet | how about discussing Ironic with cinder? | 16:34 |
| scottda | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/223803/3 | 16:34 |
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| scottda | oops, wrong link! | 16:35 |
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| scottda | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MZVwxv8t6sM15Kct5i7yOS-8-NCvqsW742s5Y_LDyjg/edit#gid=816860825 | 16:35 |
| e0ne | navneet: actually, it's an "Attaching a volume without Nova" session | 16:35 |
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| DuncanT | smcginnis: I think AZs will need the time, since so many people have different desire | 16:35 |
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| tbarron | I think AZ discussion needs its own slot | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: OK, good point. | 16:35 |
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| navneet | e0ne: oh sorry...thought its general ideas on summit sessions | 16:36 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: I proposed that as I think we have a number of Nova/Cinder issues to discuss. We will easily fill the time that scottda has asked for. | 16:36 |
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| scottda | Yeah, and we could use some time on the Cinder agenda to discuss Nova/Cinder from the Cinder side. | 16:36 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: scottda: Do you think we should have a Nova Cinder meeting and a Cinder Nova meeting? | 16:37 |
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| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:37 |
| mriedem1 | AZs, new api microversions, extend volume and multiattach are the current cross project things right? | 16:37 |
| scottda | haha...actually yes | 16:37 |
| smcginnis | scottda: Fishbowl or working session? | 16:37 |
| jungleboyj | mriedem1: Thank you sir. | 16:37 |
| mriedem1 | those 4 things are too much for a single session | 16:37 |
| tbarron | +1 | 16:37 |
| mriedem1 | maybe some time can be carved out on meetup style friday | 16:37 |
| scottda | mriedem1: so far, I think that's it...maybe future changes to the API | 16:37 |
| smcginnis | So how's this... | 16:38 |
| mriedem1 | scottda: yeah i lump that in with microversions | 16:38 |
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| smcginnis | For the two extra slots we do a Nova meeting and the ViPR (or should that be CoprHD) discussions? | 16:38 |
| scottda | I started this thinking it was for the Nova meeting on Cinder-Nova: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/NovaCinderMitakaSession | 16:38 |
| smcginnis | Then we can get a meetup later in the week if needed. | 16:38 |
| mriedem1 | smcginnis: has johnthetubaguy agreed to doing 2 nova slots with cinder? | 16:38 |
| mriedem1 | some of the nova natives might get restless | 16:39 |
| smcginnis | mriedem1: I have not asked. | 16:39 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: I like those ideas, but I proposed them. :-) | 16:39 |
| mriedem1 | :) | 16:39 |
| DuncanT | smcginnis: We should rename the ViPR session though | 16:39 |
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| cebruns | smcginnis: Sounds good | 16:39 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: Agreed. | 16:39 |
| smcginnis | mriedem1: I think we probably would even have enough to discuss on the Cinder side of things even if most Nova can't make it. | 16:39 |
| smcginnis | mriedem1: But I will ask. | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | yeah, should probably remove vipr and coprhad from the titles altogether | 16:39 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I am good with us having some time in Nova on Cinder things, if we have some good concrete things to talk about | 16:40 |
| xyang | jgriffith: what is a cinder driver?:) | 16:40 |
| cebruns | jgriffith: I like having those in there "and the fight" part. :) | 16:40 |
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| smcginnis | xyang: What is Cinder? | 16:40 |
| xyang | jgriffith: I think that is the session in Atlanta | 16:40 |
| navneet | xyang: mike can take a session on the topic :) | 16:41 |
| xyang | smcginnis: in atlanta we had a session on vipr, I think it is called "what is a cinder driver" | 16:41 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Cinder is a state of mind ... being ... | 16:41 |
| smcginnis | ;) | 16:41 |
| scottda | jungleboyj: Thank you Grasshopper | 16:41 |
| smcginnis | I'll get it renamed before submitting it. | 16:41 |
| jungleboyj | scottda: :-) | 16:41 |
| smcginnis | OK, working sessions... | 16:41 |
| smcginnis | We have five slots. | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | Are we good with the five now listed there? | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | Or are there some sprint topics that should be moved up? | 16:42 |
| DuncanT | get_extra_metadata seems a bit thin for a session | 16:42 |
| DuncanT | I'd say that was a sprint topic | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: agree | 16:42 |
| e0ne | DuncanT: +1 | 16:42 |
| hemna | yuh | 16:42 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: Someone from IBM added that. | 16:43 |
| DuncanT | Soft Dependencies for Drivers could be entertainingly argumentative | 16:43 |
| jungleboyj | That shouldn't be a working session. | 16:43 |
| jungleboyj | Sorry I didn't catch that. | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: You need to watch all of IBM better. | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | :P | 16:43 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: :-P | 16:43 |
| jungleboyj | Watch it man. | 16:43 |
| DuncanT | Functional Testing is something we could really benefit from | 16:44 |
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| jungleboyj | That is diablo_rojo 's job | 16:44 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: I would love to see that move forward. | 16:44 |
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| smcginnis | jgriffith: Should we make that a working session? | 16:44 |
| DuncanT | smcginnis: be nice to see a definite plan | 16:44 |
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| jgriffith | probably | 16:45 |
| smcginnis | The A-A discussion might be a better working session though.? | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: the plan is for people to actually spend time to do it | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: create tests, add the job to the gate | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: that IS the plan | 16:46 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: So still black-box testing? | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: ? | 16:46 |
| dulek | smcginnis: It is big topic and some stuff changed since last summit. | 16:46 |
| smcginnis | Would be good to have at least a sprint on that to make sure folks understand what the goal of functional testing is. | 16:47 |
| dulek | smcginnis: We thought that everything is clear on A/A approach, but I'm not sure now. | 16:47 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: On;y driving things from the external APIs.... no stress testing internal bits of code or anything? | 16:47 |
| hemna | dulek, I think there are some issues that need ironing out, such as the picking up of messages on the message queue | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: external API's? | 16:47 |
| smcginnis | So A-A is maybe a little more important to get in a working session I think. | 16:47 |
| hemna | as geguileo talks about in his blog post, but I think there are issues with it. | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: I think "fucntional" testing is pretty clear | 16:47 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: Or can we e.g. stress test any atomic code in a tight loop with no API involvement? | 16:48 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT: functional would imply to me that you use the API like a consumer would | 16:48 |
| dulek | hemna: I'm also not completely convinced to this idea. Working session might help. | 16:48 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: It isn't, hense the question. I'm good with either answer, just like to know what you mean | 16:48 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT: there's nothing keeping you from doing what you are suggesting in unit tests | 16:48 |
| geguileo | hemna: I think the picking up of messages is the easiest part (although my post as it is has a problem) | 16:48 |
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| DuncanT | jgriffith: unit tests are not supposed to be long, and they're generally supposed to mock out db and similar | 16:49 |
| hemna | geguileo, we should chat | 16:49 |
| hemna | :) | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: Ok... so by cinder/tests/functional, I intended "functonal" to be: Spin up Cinder, run tests against Cinder using the API | 16:49 |
| smcginnis | OK, I'll put A-A there. But we obviously need to talk functional testing at some point if for no other reason than to make sure we all have the same definition. | 16:49 |
| geguileo | hemna: And I should write some specs :-( | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: does that help? | 16:49 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: Stress testing the LVM wrappers against real for example isn't a unit test thing | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: we could also look at what others are doing | 16:49 |
| hemna | jgriffith, +1 | 16:49 |
| smcginnis | So sprints... | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: no, it's not | 16:49 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: That helps. Thanks. | 16:49 |
| smcginnis | thingee: How many are "a lot" ? | 16:50 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT: but that's an interesting idea, and possibly something to look at | 16:50 |
| smcginnis | I think I did see we can schedule multiple into one slot. | 16:50 |
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| smcginnis | Some of these look like they might take a while. Some are probably pretty quick. | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: ie just importing/exploiting a module at a functional level. Different than what I envisioned | 16:51 |
| smcginnis | I guess I'll see how many we actually have and if we need to cull the list or combine some of them. | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: the thing that started this was the idea of getting API tests somewhere besides Tempest IIRC | 16:51 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Hasn't it usually been pretty fluid in the past? | 16:51 |
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| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Yeah, I thought so. | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | I see no reason you couldn't do both | 16:51 |
| smcginnis | So maybe we just schedule open slots and just work through them? | 16:52 |
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| smcginnis | I still need to actually see how the scheduling process actually works. | 16:52 |
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| smcginnis | But I think you are right jungleboyj. | 16:52 |
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| smcginnis | OK, I think I'm good on sessions. Anyone have anything else on that topic? | 16:52 |
| smcginnis | OK, moving on. Feel free to ping me if you think of anything. | 16:53 |
| smcginnis | #topic Unfinished business | 16:53 |
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| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder_mitaka_unfinished_business | 16:53 |
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| smcginnis | So I know there have been several initiatives started over the last few releases. | 16:53 |
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| smcginnis | Some of them I'm kind of aware of | 16:53 |
| smcginnis | But I still hear of others I didn't know about. | 16:54 |
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| smcginnis | I would like to try to collect all of these in one place so we can either decide we still need them and get them going again. | 16:54 |
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| xyang | smcginnis: I put note there objects and ABC should be two separate things | 16:54 |
| smcginnis | Or decide they are no longer relevant and should either be rolled back or left as is. | 16:54 |
| smcginnis | xyang: Good point. We have the objectization and we have the ABC work. | 16:55 |
| smcginnis | Two separate things really. | 16:55 |
| scottda | What about task flow | 16:55 |
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| * scottda ducks | 16:55 | |
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| smcginnis | Yeah | 16:55 |
| smcginnis | I wasn't sure to even bring it up. | 16:55 |
| scottda | That's why I did it for you. | 16:55 |
| jungleboyj | scottda: You had to go there? | 16:55 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:56 |
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| smcginnis | Since we've spent so much time on it already. | 16:56 |
| smcginnis | :) | 16:56 |
| smcginnis | That's one I think I want to leave alone. | 16:56 |
| smcginnis | But probably should be noted. | 16:56 |
| hemna | discussions about taskflow are noops | 16:56 |
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| jgriffith | smcginnis: is a smart man | 16:56 |
| xyang | there's some refactoring work done on task flow. I don't know how much is left | 16:56 |
| smcginnis | hemna: +1 | 16:56 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: ;) | 16:56 |
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| smcginnis | xyang: Done? Or to be done? | 16:56 |
| xyang | smcginnis: some are done in liberty | 16:56 |
| xyang | patches merged | 16:57 |
| dulek | xyang: Well, that was just refactoring for readability. | 16:57 |
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| xyang | dulek: alright. so you have future plans? | 16:57 |
| dulek | xyang: I don't know if it actually improves it. *I* feel like I understand this code. | 16:57 |
| smcginnis | Not to rathole on taskflow (yet again) but my stance is I'm not opposed to. | 16:57 |
| smcginnis | And I wouldn;t be against anyone working on it. | 16:57 |
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| smcginnis | But I don't want it to get a lot of focus and be a distraction. | 16:57 |
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| dulek | One thing is taskflow'ization of other calls. | 16:58 |
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| smcginnis | OK, two minute warning. | 16:58 |
| dulek | Other thing is leveraging it's persistence. | 16:58 |
| eharney | python 3 support seems to be going fine to me. we have a plan and it's moving forward | 16:58 |
| smcginnis | Please take a look at the etherpad and put in anything you can think of. | 16:58 |
| dulek | I think both of these can wait - we have bigger problems. | 16:58 |
| hemna | eharney, +1 | 16:58 |
| smcginnis | Especially those that have been around for a long time. | 16:58 |
| smcginnis | #topic Open discussion | 16:58 |
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| smcginnis | Any final quick things? | 16:59 |
| xyang | about backport | 16:59 |
| xyang | when can we backport to liberty | 16:59 |
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| jungleboyj | xyang: Fixes? Good question? I don't have +2 there yet. | 16:59 |
| eharney | when is rc2? | 16:59 |
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| smcginnis | After the final cut I think. thingee? | 16:59 |
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| smcginnis | Let's take it to the cinder channel. | 17:00 |
| smcginnis | Thanks everyone! | 17:00 |
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| smcginnis | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 30 17:00:16 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-09-30-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-09-30-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-09-30-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Thank you! | 17:00 |
| geguileo | Thanks! | 17:00 |
| navneet | thanks you... helpful pre summit session | 17:00 |
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| notmyname | swift meeting time | 21:00 |
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| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 30 21:00:08 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
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| notmyname | who's here for the swift meeting? | 21:00 |
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| minwoob | o/ | 21:00 |
| jrichli | yello | 21:00 |
| kota_ | o/ | 21:00 |
| cutforth_ | hola | 21:00 |
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| clayg | o/ | 21:00 |
| blmartin | O/ | 21:00 |
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| tdasilva | hi | 21:00 |
| wbhuber | here | 21:00 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:00 |
| acoles | hi | 21:00 |
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| torgomatic | hi | 21:01 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: hurricanerix: cschwede: ? | 21:01 |
| tdasilva | yes, i'm here | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | ah. tdasilva, I missed that :-) | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | ok, let's get started. thanks for coming | 21:02 |
| MooingLemur | yo | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | it's a cold, rainy day in san francisco. so hopefully that doesn't dampen the mood ;-) | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/PriorityReviews | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | lots of great work done this week. thank you for all the code and reviews | 21:03 |
| notmyname | looking at the list of patches we'd like to see land in liberty, we're down to 3 (unless someone mentions some more) | 21:04 |
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| notmyname | but from a higher level, here's the openstack liberty story and our place in it: | 21:04 |
| notmyname | so far, all the other projects have released their RC for liberty | 21:04 |
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| notmyname | I've told people that we'll have one at the end of this week | 21:05 |
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| notmyname | RCs are working slightly differently for the liberty release | 21:05 |
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| notmyname | instead of a tag and release version like 2.5.0rc1, we'll have a normal tag, undecorated with any "rc" nomenclature | 21:06 |
| notmyname | so this release will be 2.5.0. that's what we'll tag | 21:06 |
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| notmyname | and if we have something that comes up that in the past would result in an rc2, that will be tagged as 2.5.1 | 21:06 |
| notmyname | and so on for anythign we find | 21:06 |
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| clayg | notmyname: that's nice | 21:06 |
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| notmyname | the only real change this means for us is that we have to "leave space" in the release numbers for any future backports on releases that are maintained longer (ie what was the "integrated" release) | 21:07 |
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| notmyname | so that means that whenever we do our first release after liberty, it will be 2.6.0. | 21:08 |
| notmyname | it cannot be 2.5.x because that release namespace will be used for backports and later subsequent releases | 21:08 |
| notmyname | make sense? any questions on that? | 21:08 |
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| tdasilva | sounds reasonable | 21:09 |
| mattoliverau | makes sense so micro release numbers used for RCs | 21:09 |
| notmyname | also, FWIW, that's also the same thing that's being used for swiftclient too | 21:09 |
| notmyname | the official liberty release date is october 15. that means we have pretty much until the end of _next_ week to do any further "release candidates" | 21:09 |
| clayg | acoles: ^ see it's fine! | 21:10 |
| * acoles breathes out | 21:10 | |
| clayg | we have litterally *days* to fix the whole thing | 21:10 |
| acoles | more than a week! | 21:10 |
| notmyname | so, this week: tag a release that we think will be in liberty. next week: our chance to land bug fixes for liberty before the release | 21:10 |
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| notmyname | ok, one final thing I want to say before we talk about these three specific patches | 21:11 |
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| clayg | sounds ominous | 21:11 |
| notmyname | (in order to be transparent and let us all participate) | 21:11 |
| notmyname | no, not at all | 21:11 |
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| notmyname | if we were to take the commit SHA at the current HEAD on master and say that is the liberty release, nothing about what I've told people is in swift for liberty would be wrong | 21:12 |
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| notmyname | also, most of us who are really concerned about these last few patches (ie EC in swift) don't really care all that much about "liberty" or not--we all spin our own packages | 21:13 |
| notmyname | however, that being said, I think there are 2 good reasons to still try to get these patches in this release | 21:13 |
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| notmyname | first, it's a goal for us, the swift devs, to get behind and accomplish and feel good about | 21:14 |
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| notmyname | second, outside of our own little group, the liberty release has significant impact from what people say about swift and when or if they use it (ie "marketing") | 21:14 |
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| notmyname | so when we get these things landed and we tell people we've made significant progress on making swift (even more) awesome, it's something we can be proud of and it something that end users start to hear from the whole openstack community. and that's great! | 21:15 |
| notmyname | so that's why I'm pushing for getting these patches in by friday. thanks for helping with that :-) | 21:16 |
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| notmyname | so shall we talk about patches now? | 21:17 |
| mattoliverau | lets | 21:17 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/PriorityReviews | 21:17 |
| notmyname | #topic patch 227133 | 21:17 |
| patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/227133/ - Fix copy requests to service accounts in Keystone | 21:17 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "patch 227133 (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:17 | |
| notmyname | first up, a non-ec one | 21:17 |
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| notmyname | mattoliverau: thanks for looking at this one | 21:17 |
| acoles | yes thanks mattoliverau | 21:17 |
| notmyname | acoles: you've updated the patch with some updates | 21:18 |
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| notmyname | AFAICT this is ready for reviews. | 21:18 |
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| notmyname | mattoliverau: you should probably reverify it today | 21:18 |
| acoles | is cschwede here? i pushed over with mattoliverau comment fixed and some changes of mine | 21:18 |
| notmyname | acoles: are your changes in the last patch set significant enough in your opinion that you shouldn't also be a reviewer of it? | 21:19 |
| mattoliverau | no problem, thank cschwede, acoles and donagh really | 21:19 |
| acoles | mattoliverau: i made no change to the actual fix, just tests | 21:19 |
| mattoliverau | notmyname: wil do | 21:19 |
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| acoles | notmyname: let's see if someone else can but as last resort i would add +2 | 21:19 |
| notmyname | I was planning to look at this today as well, although I don't have a keystone handy (I think. I'll look), so I might only leave a +1 | 21:19 |
| notmyname | acoles: ok | 21:19 |
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| notmyname | I'd love to see this one land today | 21:20 |
| acoles | ho would be a good person to review it | 21:20 |
| notmyname | yeah! | 21:20 |
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| notmyname | mattoliverau: I may need to ask you some questions about it related to the keystone roles. you'll be online in a few hours? | 21:20 |
| acoles | mattoliverau: kota_ could you as ho in your day time, he's not here? | 21:20 |
| acoles | ask | 21:21 |
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| kota_ | acoles: sure | 21:21 |
| mattoliverau | acoles: yup | 21:21 |
| mattoliverau | notmyname: sure | 21:21 |
| notmyname | ok, great. that one is easy :-) | 21:21 |
| notmyname | #topic patch 222799 | 21:21 |
| patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/222799/ - Validate against duplicate device part replica ass... | 21:21 |
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| notmyname | clayg: how goes it? | 21:21 |
| clayg | we really had a good thing going with that "you need at least five zones to run swift" thing - then someone had to go screw it up and and make it possible to run on smaller topologies - been down hill ever sense | 21:22 |
| notmyname | heh | 21:22 |
| torgomatic | that was the beginning of the end | 21:23 |
| torgomatic | I think overload was the end of the end, though | 21:23 |
| clayg | that is to say - i have also broken against the tide of the perfect part placement algorithm | 21:23 |
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| MooingLemur | I for one welcome our new ring overloads | 21:23 |
| notmyname | meaning you're done with that for now? or at least for the short term? | 21:23 |
| clayg | and yes overload - a response for dealing with topology migrations that dramatically effective your dispersion - was a bad idea | 21:23 |
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| clayg | fudging with weights and trick the fill algorithm isn't going to work in the long term | 21:24 |
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| clayg | in the short term - we really should place a replica of all the parts on unique devices - but it's not so simple | 21:24 |
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| clayg | neway - I think we have a part-replica placement algorith that works pleanty of times - but sometimes it sucks and we should fix it | 21:25 |
| clayg | but I'm not going to do that by friday | 21:25 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:25 |
| notmyname | so that gets us to the validator, right? | 21:25 |
| clayg | SO - I think we should leave it work about the same as it has for a least the last six months - but try to warning about a little better - let people know when we're struggling | 21:25 |
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| clayg | I think the "don't do the dumb thing" fix in the validate change will help quite a bit for lots of folks (i'm running some datasets now) | 21:26 |
| clayg | I think i might be able to squeeze in a "get you out of hot water fix" too | 21:26 |
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| clayg | but it won't be a general solution | 21:26 |
| notmyname | it does sound like a much better solution that where we are now, even if it's not the perfect general-case one | 21:26 |
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| mattoliverau | +1 | 21:26 |
| notmyname | clayg: thanks for picking up that ring work | 21:27 |
| clayg | so... i pushed a patch - folks should look over the tests | 21:27 |
| acoles | +1 good work | 21:27 |
| notmyname | for patch 222799, it's ready to review? | 21:27 |
| patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/222799/ - Validate against duplicate device part replica ass... | 21:27 |
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| clayg | I tried to make it so that we don't have any tests that setup these land mines - because I think a lot of these "warnings" *should* be errors - and I'd like our tests to pass | 21:28 |
| notmyname | nice subject shortening, patchbot | 21:28 |
| mattoliverau | lol | 21:28 |
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| clayg | I think we *can* make small rings that will rebalance and look good - *but* I don't think they'll do a good job of showing the behaviors the existing tests were trying to demonstrate | 21:28 |
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| notmyname | clayg: are you expecting a subsequent patch to follow the current one? eg for the "get out of hot water fix"? | 21:29 |
| clayg | so I'm moving existing tests to more devices and demonstrate reasonable behaviors - then we'll add more tests with smaller devices that demonstrate reasonable (although not nessecarily obviously optimal in the cases where more devices would allow better part-replcia placement) | 21:30 |
| clayg | notmyname: not 100% sure on that | 21:30 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:30 |
| notmyname | are the more tests in this current patch, or will that be "sometime later"? | 21:30 |
| clayg | I guess I'd probably like to just pull it into that one and make it the one and only change that we try to review this week wrt rings | 21:30 |
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| clayg | I added an example strawman test in this latest change - I don't think it's worth adding them now because they would having nothing sane at the end to validate | 21:31 |
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| clayg | ... it'd be more like an "expected failure" | 21:32 |
| notmyname | ok. and thus your very first comment of "take a look at the tests" ;-) | 21:32 |
| clayg | I don't think their critical - with the warnings in place I'm finding it quite trivial to identify topologies that result in bad placement | 21:32 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:33 |
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| clayg | but that's just IMHO | 21:33 |
| notmyname | clayg: beyond reviewing what's up there now (and I supposed if it's all good also landing it), is there anything else you need help with for that whole set of work? | 21:33 |
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| clayg | I would love some sanity checks on the tests where I'm turning 4 devices in 12 and stuff - the intent was that they read about the same - so it's very much a game of "what makes the diff easier to grok" | 21:33 |
| clayg | so outside eyes would be helpful | 21:33 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:33 |
| clayg | the "get you out of hot water fix" would just add something into gather that picks up these screwed up placements with doubled devices and tries harder to put them down right | 21:34 |
| clayg | ... might also require making get_effective_overload not return 0 just because it thinks the topology looks right when the *current* dispersion is non-zero | 21:34 |
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| notmyname | so for everyone, it would be very helpful to look at this patch today. start with tests, and be active in IRC with questions | 21:35 |
| notmyname | clayg: thanks | 21:35 |
| notmyname | anything else on this one? | 21:35 |
| clayg | but I'm going to try and validate those changes are helpful on a larger dataset than just tests and if I like the results push up one more time | 21:35 |
| clayg | sorry to gab so long | 21:35 |
| clayg | also I hate rings and math | 21:35 |
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| notmyname | no worries. it's super important | 21:35 |
| acoles | thanks clayg | 21:35 |
| notmyname | #topic patch 215276 | 21:35 |
| patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/215276/ - Enable object server to return non-durable data | 21:35 |
| mattoliverau | yeah thanks clayg | 21:35 |
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| notmyname | acoles: where are we here? | 21:36 |
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| notmyname | you've got it WIP | 21:36 |
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| acoles | -2 actually | 21:36 |
| acoles | I hit a snag this evening with this | 21:36 |
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| notmyname | ok | 21:37 |
| acoles | in general its good and ready for review, and boy will it need review! | 21:37 |
| notmyname | yeah, it's big. but most of the line count are well-formatted tests, so don't be too fearful about just the line count | 21:37 |
| acoles | but there is an issue when used with object_post_as_copy=false | 21:37 |
| acoles | It is big, and I'd love people to tell me where I got carried away, but yes there's a lot of test and hopefully helpful commentary | 21:38 |
| acoles | There's a failing probe test when object_post_as_copy=false | 21:39 |
| kota_ | the test change was awesome, good refactor for us, imho. | 21:39 |
| notmyname | acoles: what's the best place to start to get a sense of it (beyond the commit book^Wmessage) | 21:39 |
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| acoles | notmyname: ok, good question. read the commit message, then maybe look at test/unit/proxy/test_server.py:TestECGets | 21:39 |
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| acoles | those tests are meant to cover the GET cases we're trying to fix | 21:40 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:40 |
| notmyname | are you intending to push another patch set tonight or will it be your tomorrow? | 21:40 |
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| acoles | I will try for tonight. To fix the issue I found I need patch 138498 | 21:41 |
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| patchbot | acoles: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138498/ - Add POST capability to ssync for .meta files | 21:41 |
| notmyname | yeah, that was my next question :-) | 21:41 |
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| clayg | acoles: +2 | 21:41 |
| acoles | which is also not small, but again, lots of test lines in there | 21:41 |
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| notmyname | so this means that patch 138498 *also* needs to land. and before patch 215276? | 21:41 |
| patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138498/ - Add POST capability to ssync for .meta files | 21:41 |
| patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/215276/ - Enable object server to return non-durable data | 21:41 |
| * notmyname loves the patchbot subjects. thanks timburke | 21:42 | |
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| acoles | notmyname: yes. otherwise I try a different approach in obj.py and stop assuming that all frags for same object have same timestamp | 21:42 |
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| notmyname | ok | 21:42 |
| notmyname | also, yikes | 21:42 |
| notmyname | ;-) | 21:42 |
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| acoles | but i kinda feel i ought to be able to assume that and that ssync should be fixed | 21:43 |
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| notmyname | yeah. that makes sense | 21:43 |
| acoles | like i said before, if someone can show me an easier way please do! | 21:43 |
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| notmyname | acoles: anything else on this set of work to bring up? | 21:43 |
| acoles | (i know of some but they are less optimal in terms of number of GETS to obj servers to piece together an object) | 21:44 |
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| acoles | no, thanks | 21:44 |
| notmyname | #topic else: | 21:45 |
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| notmyname | ok, so to sum up.. | 21:45 |
| notmyname | we've got 4 patches to look at | 21:45 |
| acoles | oh, stuff like the right name for new headers etc in 215276 - please feedback opinions | 21:45 |
| notmyname | cross-account copies with service tokens. hopefully will land today | 21:45 |
| notmyname | ring validator from clayg. start with tests and go from there | 21:45 |
| notmyname | the optimistic GETs (etc) from acoles | 21:46 |
| notmyname | and the fix for ssync fast-post for the optimistic GETs patch | 21:46 |
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| notmyname | lots of stuff | 21:46 |
| minwoob | If there is time, we should try to merge 196848 | 21:47 |
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| acoles | look for next versions on those last two patch 138498 patch 215276 | 21:47 |
| patchbot | acoles: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138498/ - Add POST capability to ssync for .meta files | 21:47 |
| patchbot | acoles: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/215276/ - Enable object server to return non-durable data | 21:47 |
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| minwoob | After the critical/high priority ones have been finished. | 21:47 |
| notmyname | acoles: ack | 21:47 |
| notmyname | thank you, everyone, for helping. and especially for acoles and clayg for the recent hard work on those big ones | 21:47 |
| notmyname | patch 196848 | 21:48 |
| patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196848/ - Optimization of the reconstructor for handling of ... | 21:48 |
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| notmyname | minwoob: right! definitely want to get that one landed. extremely unlikely for liberty | 21:48 |
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| notmyname | anything else to bring up for this week? next week, we'll see where we are for liberty and start talking about summit planning | 21:49 |
| minwoob | Okay, yeah, it might have to wait until the next release then. | 21:49 |
| notmyname | oh, also as a teaser, I saw some pictures of tshirt proofs. I should have them on friday | 21:49 |
| notmyname | they look good :-) | 21:49 |
| jrichli | excited to see them | 21:50 |
| mattoliverau | cool | 21:50 |
| timburke | if anyone's looking for some respite from the large, critical patches, i'd love to see mattoliverau's patch 120709, or kota_'s chain of three that ends with patch 198634 | 21:50 |
| patchbot | timburke: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/120709/ - Add container and account reverse listings | 21:50 |
| patchbot | timburke: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/198634/ - Support last modified on listing containers | 21:50 |
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| clayg | timburke: those would all be amazing | 21:50 |
| notmyname | we can get respite from large patches next week ;-) | 21:50 |
| clayg | notmyname: good point | 21:50 |
| notmyname | yeah, I like them too | 21:50 |
| timburke | notmyname: fair enough. it'll be like vacation :) | 21:51 |
| kota_ | timburk: thanks for biringing up them. | 21:51 |
| notmyname | heh | 21:51 |
| notmyname | great. I think we all know what needs to happen. please be active in IRC. don't wait to ask, just ask | 21:51 |
| notmyname | thanks for working on swift. you're great | 21:52 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 21:52 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-09-30-21.00.html | 21:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-09-30-21.00.txt | 21:52 |
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