Thursday, 2015-10-01

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thinrichsHi all00:01
thinrichs#startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting00:01
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masahitoHi. I'm back.00:02
alexsyipHi all00:02
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RuiChenhi, all00:02
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thinrichsHere's my agenda…00:02
thinrichs1. Liberty update00:03
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thinrichs2. Kilo issues00:03
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thinrichs3. Monasca requested discussion time in Tokyo00:03
thinrichs4. HOL00:03
thinrichs5. Status updates00:03
thinrichsAnything else?00:03
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su_zhangjust some open questions00:04
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thinrichssu_zhang: I'll make a note.  Let's save those for the end00:04
masahitoquestions about tokyo design summit00:04
su_zhangand some suspicious bugs00:05
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su_zhangsounds good00:05
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thinrichsmasahito: let's do those questions during the HOL portion.00:05
thinrichs#topic Liberty00:05
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masahitothinrichs: got it.00:05
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thinrichsHere is the most recent bug list.00:05
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thinrichsThere's 1 in progress but zhenzan has the code in review.00:06
thinrichsThere are a few comments to address it seems.00:07
thinrichsI did try it out, and it fixed the problem for me.00:07
thinrichsI did another round of manual testing this week, and nothing jumped out at me.00:07
thinrichsSo once that last patch lands, I'll probably cut release candidate 2.00:07
thinrichsBTW, there's a new bug in that list.00:08
openstackLaunchpad bug 1501097 in congress "Data source drivers allow execution of client methods not declared executable" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Madhu Mohan Nelemane (mmohan-9)00:08
thinrichsMadhu: are you here?00:08
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thinrichsDoesn't look like it.  But it seems that zhenzan's changes should address that one.00:09
ekcsI filed the bug, btw, so I can also answer any questions about it.00:09
thinrichsekcs: do you think that's a release blocker?00:09
thinrichsand/or does zhenzan's change address it?00:10
ekcsum i don’t know. depends on the target standard of liberty release00:10
ekcsit doesn’t stop anything from working.00:10
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shelleea007hello all00:10
thinrichsshelleea007: hi.00:10
thinrichsshelleea007: we're in the midst of discussing the liberty release.00:11
shelleea007ok, I'm interested in learning more about Congress' implementation00:11
thinrichsekcs: does zhenzan's change address that bug, since it doesn't include any method starting with an underscore?00:11
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thinrichsshelleea007: Great!  We usually have new people introduce themselves and explain why they're interested in congress at the end of the meeting.00:12
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ekcsno, it doesn’t address the bug. the bug is that no matter what the actions list is (even empty), all methods are allowed via api.00:12
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ekcsin fact that’s why tests had been passing even before the empty action list bug was patched00:12
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shelleea007ok, I've lurked in the last meeting, and I was tardy to this both times. So, I figured I would say something this time. i will go back to lurking for the time being00:13
thinrichsGot it.  That definitely sounds like we could let it go for liberty.00:13
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thinrichsshelleea007: feel free to pipe up as part of the normal flow of the meeting00:14
thinrichsAny other questions/comments about liberty?00:14
thinrichs#topic Kilo00:15
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thinrichsOn to Kilo then.00:15
thinrichsWe've got patches into the stable/kilo branch where unit tests are passing00:15
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thinrichsI wanted to test out the tempest tests just as a sanity check.00:15
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thinrichsSo I tried to run devstack and use the stable/kilo branches of all the projects.00:16
thinrichsI got some fatal errors when it tried to install congress.00:16
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thinrichsI haven't gone back to dig into them, but the question we need to answer is whether it's worth doing.00:16
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thinrichsIt would be nice if our kilo release worked well with the kilo devstack.00:17
su_zhan__depends on what are the errors, right?00:17
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thinrichsFair enough.00:17
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thinrichsI just tried rerunning and my VM ran out of disk.00:19
su_zhan__got u00:19
thinrichsSo maybe I'll try to resurrect the problem and post to the ML.00:19
su_zhan__then we can just use unittest I suppose00:19
thinrichsOr someone else could try the same thing.00:19
su_zhan__when we use "openstack congress datasource table schema show" I will have to use datasource id00:20
thinrichssu_zhan__: the point is that kilo congress doesn't run with kilo devstack properly00:20
su_zhan__data source name won't work00:20
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thinrichsIf someone else wants to try it out, you just switch to the stable/kilo branch of devstack before running stack.sh00:20
thinrichsAnyone want to volunteer?00:21
su_zhan__I can give it a try00:21
thinrichssu_zhan_: great!00:21
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thinrichsNext up is Monasca and the Tokyo summit.00:21
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thinrichs#topic Tokyo00:21
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thinrichsMonasca requested a meeting to talk about integrating with Congress.00:22
su_zhan__by the way, where is the congress tempest script located00:22
thinrichssu_zhan__: let's take that offline00:22
thinrichsI thought we should think about what we're using our 3 meeting times for in Tokyo.00:22
su_zhan__Can I attend remotely?00:22
thinrichsIf we have a free one, we could use it to talk to Monasca; otherwise, we can meet with them outside our allocated meeting times.00:23
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su_zhan__There should be an option of attending the discussion remotely00:23
thinrichssu_zhan__: I don't know what kind of remote attendance is available.00:23
thinrichsAnyone know?00:23
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su_zhan__I will be a remote attendance00:23
su_zhan__I won't go to tokyo00:24
thinrichssu_zhan__: Let's both of us look into remotes for the design conference.00:24
thinrichsDo people have suggestions for topics to discuss in our 3 slots in Tokyo?00:24
masahitoI have topics.00:25
su_zhan__how about our quota policy implementation?00:25
thinrichsmasahito: what did you have in mind?00:25
thinrichssu_zhan__: might we generalize that a bit to…gating other openstack projects using Congress?00:26
su_zhan__makes sense00:26
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masahitothinrichs: I contacted OPNFV folks who think to use Congress in their infra.00:26
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thinrichsmasahito: are you thinking of a cross-project meeting where they attend and talk about their use cases?00:27
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RuiChenthinrichs, I member you have a topic about00:28
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masahitoThey need some new features in Congress to satisfy their use case, so they want to explain their feature if possible.00:28
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RuiChenkeystone and congres policy integrated, you will show it in design summit ?00:28
thinrichsRuiChen: I never made enough progress on that to show.00:29
masahitothinrichs: OPNFV is not one of OpenStack project. It isn't need to be cross project.00:29
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thinrichsRuiChen: Did some design but no implementation.00:29
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thinrichsI was also thinking we might want a session on the distributed architecture00:30
thinrichsI don't know how long each of our meetings are.  Last summit they were 45 minutes.00:31
raminenithinrichs: is there any spec proposed for distributed architecture, to go through?00:31
thinrichsSo we've got OPNFV, congress gating, Monasca, distributed arch00:32
su_zhan__did we do any integration between congress and mistral?00:32
thinrichsramineni: Let me find the spec.  Our mid-cycle meetup a couple months back was devoted to the new arch.00:32
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su_zhan__I saw mistral is mentioned in the wiki page. It seems like mistral is highly relevant to policy enforcement.00:32
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thinrichsramineni: all the blueprints starting with dist- are for the new arch00:33
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thinrichssu_zhan__: no work on mistral that I know of, though the HP integration with Murano was moving in that direction00:33
su_zhan__are you talking about this one?
thinrichsOther than these 4, are there other topics for our meeting?00:34
thinrichsOPNFV, congress gating, Monasca, distributed arch00:34
thinrichssu_zhan__: yes00:34
su_zhan__I am also very interested in mistral integration. Do you know who is in charge of this project at HP?00:34
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thinrichssu_zhan__: I think that project was deprioritized at HP.  Ping me offline and I'll dig out the right people to ask00:35
thinrichsSo do we think we can fit those 4 topics into 3 meetings, or should we schedule external time with Monasca?00:37
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thinrichsmasahito: do you know how long the OPNFV discussion will take?00:37
thinrichsIt might make sense to split that meeting between OPNFV and Monasca00:37
thinrichsSince it's getting late, I'll follow up with masahito offline.00:38
masahitoI'm not sure exactly, but I think it can be split.00:38
thinrichsmasahito: okay00:38
thinrichsI'll tell the Monasca team that we'll talk with them for half of one of our meeting times.00:39
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thinrichs#action thinrichs will schedule meeting with Monasca00:39
thinrichsNext topic is the HOL.00:39
thinrichs#topic HOL00:39
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thinrichsalexsyip: how's the HOL coming?00:39
alexsyipI have a new version ready to go.00:40
alexsyipPleae give it a try.00:40
alexsyipThis version uses a GUI console.00:40
alexsyipSo you don’t have to use the network at all.00:40
thinrichsDid anyone else run into the problems I did?00:41
thinrichsWas it something weird with my virtualbox setup?00:41
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raminenithinrichs: alexsyip: iva file i downloaded last time , while importing im getting following error While starting virtual box VM00:41
ramineniVT-x is disabled in the BIOS for all CPU modes. (VERR_VMX_MSR_ALL_VMXON_DISABLED)00:41
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ramineniany idea how to resolve it?00:41
alexsyipramineni: you get this from virtual box before importing my the congress-hol.ova file?00:42
alexsyipOh, while importing.00:42
raminenialexsyip: no, import is succesful, while starting the vm00:42
alexsyipI never saw that error.00:42
alexsyipIt fails to start ?00:43
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raminenialexsyip: its in power off state in virtual box now00:43
alexsyipLet me try something.00:43
alexsyipI see a checkbox for VT-x.  I can try to uncheck it and see what happens.00:43
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thinrichsWhat scares me a bit is that these problems aren't consistent across VirtualBoxes.00:44
alexsyipCan you uncheck it and try to start it ?00:44
alexsyipthinrichs: what error did you encounter ?00:44
raminenialexsyip: where is the checkbox?00:44
thinrichsIs there a preferences file for VirtualBox that we can include?00:44
alexsyipSettings/ CPU/ acceleration00:44
thinrichsalexsyip: let me find the email00:44
raminenialexsyip: thanks, will try it out00:45
alexsyipsettings/ system/ acceleration00:45
alexsyipthinrichs: those are network problems.00:46
thinrichsAnd those should disappear now?00:46
alexsyipThe new image is setup to not use the network at all.00:46
thinrichsSounds good.00:46
alexsyipYeah, that was the goal of the new vm.00:46
thinrichsLet's all try out the HOL.  We want to find all the hiccups before giving it to 50 people.00:46
raminenialexsyip: acceleration tab is greyed out, couldnt access it00:46
alexsyipmaybe it’s related to the hardware you’re using.00:47
thinrichsmasahito: did you have any other questions about the summit?00:47
raminenialexsyip: may be something is not supported by my machine00:47
alexsyipI’ll prepare another VM with out that check and see if that makes it work.00:47
raminenialexsyip: sure, thanks00:47
masahitothinrichs: nothing.00:48
masahitoIf someone wants to some info about Tokyo, please contact me.00:48
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thinrichsmasahito: thanks for the offer!  I'm sure people will at least take you up on restaurant recommendations once we're there.00:49
masahitothinrichs: sounds good!!00:49
thinrichsLast thing on my agenda before open discussion.00:49
thinrichsWe have a couple of new people.00:50
thinrichsramineni: would you like to tell us who you are and why you're interested in Congress?00:50
raminenithinrichs: sure00:50
raminenithinrichs: Iḿ Anusha , I work for NEC00:50
su_zhangramineni: is your office located at bay area?00:51
thinrichsramineni: Welcome!  Anything in particular you're hoping to do with Congress?00:51
raminenithinrichs: iḿ new to congress but not to openstack though :) , congress is very useful for cloud env, so want to explore the same00:51
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su_zhangramineni: what's your previous experience on top of openstack?00:52
masahitoramineni: welcome in Congress team.00:52
RuiChenramineni, Welcome00:52
raminenithinrichs: no, for now just want to want to understand more , how easy to use in production env00:52
raminenisu_zhang: no, im from India00:52
thinrichsWe have 1 other new person.00:53
su_zhangoh, good morning then00:53
raminenithinrichs: su_zhang, masahito, RuiChen: thanks :)00:53
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thinrichsshelleea007: want to introduce yourself and say why you're interested in congress?00:53
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shelleea007sure, I can do that.00:53
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su_zhangramineni: just realized we've linked already00:54
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shelleea007My name is Shellee and I work for HP, for cloud security. I am also part of the OSSG00:54
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su_zhangwelcome. shelleea00700:54
shelleea007I'm interested in Congress for compliance and auditing capabilities and implementation.00:54
thinrichsshelleea007: Welcome! That's a great use case.00:55
su_zhangshelleea007: that's exactly what I want to do at Symantec00:55
thinrichsWe'd love to have more ideas about how and where Congress can be useful along those lines.00:55
shelleea007It was mentioned at the OSSG meetup a few weeks ago and I took an action item to look into it and hopefully contribute00:55
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shelleea007There seem to be multiple use cases for it in this realm.00:56
thinrichsOne that that would be really helpful is if you have some policies that operators want to enforce or at least monitor.00:56
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thinrichsThen we could see how to use Congress in those cases.00:56
mshindo_all: let me intro myself, too.00:56
thinrichsWe have a google doc full of use cases that you could contribute to.00:56
RuiChenshelleea007, we have same focus on auditing capabilities :-)00:56
thinrichsLinked off the wiki00:56
mshindo_I'm Motonori Shindo, works for VMware, based in Japan00:57
thinrichsmshindo_: welcome!00:57
mshindo_interested in policy language in Congress00:57
masahitomshindo_: welcome!00:57
thinrichsmshindo_: do you have something specific to use Congress for?00:57
shelleea007thinrichs: awesome. Do you have a link to that google doc handy?00:57
mshindo_'cause I used to love Prolog a lot :-)00:57
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thinrichsshelleea007: here's the gdoc00:58
shelleea007thank you!00:58
thinrichsmshindo_: then you'll feel right at home here!00:58
mshindo_3 mins left, looking forward to seeing you guys all at Tokyo00:58
masahitoshelleea007: this wiki has any info and links.00:58
mshindo_still exploring where I can contribute00:58
su_zhangbtw, I just implemented the "security group management" policies and will add it into the doc.00:58
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thinrichsAny other new people here that want to intro in 1 minute?00:59
shelleea007masahito: Thank you! Any and all information is helpful.00:59
thinrichsWe're about out of time.00:59
thinrichsAgain let's finish off that last bug and test, test, test the liberty release.00:59
thinrichsshelleea007, mshindo_, ramineni: don't hestitate to reach out with questions, comments, etc.01:00
thinrichsEither on the mailing list or on #congress.01:00
thinrichsThanks all!01:00
RuiChengood start point for new contributors
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AJaeger#startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting08:10
openstackMeeting started Thu Oct  1 08:10:01 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is AJaeger. Information about MeetBot at
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AJaegerHI, I'm working on infrastructure and German translations - let's start the meeting.08:10
AJaegerDaisy wrote as topics in the email:08:10
AJaegerBasically  ongoing liberty translations08:11
ianychoiHello, let's start :) I am a Korean translator.08:11
AJaeger#topic Liberty Translations08:11
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AJaegersince Daisy is not here today, we need to work together on running this, please help me.08:11
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AJaegerWho's around besides ianychoi ?08:12
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eumel_8I'm here08:12
ianychoiOkay. For Korean, horizon liberty translation has been completed a few days before.08:12
AJaegerianychoi: Great!08:12
ianychoiHi eumel_8  and katomo :)08:12
katomoJapanese, too. under review now.08:13
ianychoiHow about other languages?08:13
ianychoiI see08:13
AJaegerI created a group in Zanata with priority efforts, should give a quick overview:
katomothanks, it is very useful.08:14
ianychoiThank you for creating  priority efforts, which is very useful.08:14
ianychoiNova is also in high priority?08:14
AJaegerianychoi: yes, but horizon has higher08:15
katomoI think so.08:15
AJaegerianychoi: read the page with details08:15
AJaegerSo, RC1 was cut for most projects last week.08:16
AJaegerWith Zanata we can now translate for branches like stable/liberty separately.08:16
ianychoiI see. 'user facing messages' in Nova is more important. Thanks, AJaeger .08:16
katomoI have a question.08:16
AJaegerThere's also now an automatic import for liberty - like we do for master.08:16
AJaegerkatomo: please ask!08:16
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katomoAfter Liberty release, they are merged to master ?08:17
katomoespesially, review status.08:17
katomohi amotoki08:17
AJaegerkatomo: Yes, we (I guess Daisy) will merge strings from liberty back to master.08:17
katomoI don't want to review many times :)08:17
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AJaegeragreed, katomo08:18
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amotokiFrom my experiece on Zanata, if we review some strings in stable-liberty, the string in master branch is also marked as reviewed. isn't it?08:18
AJaegerOnce RC2 opens, the release team will import it.08:18
AJaegeramotoki: I have no idea how this works. This might need double checking08:19
AJaegerLet's ask Daisy to investigate08:19
katomoamotoki: good news08:19
ianychoiI could not find 'review' section in Zanata..08:19
AJaeger#action Daisy to check that reviews are merged as well08:19
amotokithis is an example.;translated:show08:20
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ianychoi'Accept translation' => is it one of review activities?08:20
amotokihmm... it is a bit different as I expected....08:20
katomoianychoi: if you have "coordinator" or "reviewer" previledge, you can review.08:21
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AJaegerteam coordinators can hand out review priveledges.08:21
katomoianychoi: yes08:21
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ianychoikatomo, yes. I have 'reviewer' previledge and I could see two thumb (one: up , other: down) icons.08:21
ianychoiOkay, thank you katomo .08:22
katomothat's it !08:22
amotokihmm... it seems review result in liberty branch is not feedback'ed to master branch :-(08:22
ianychoiI did not think that 'accept/reject' is related to review.. thanks :)08:22
AJaegerAFAIU it's up for each team to figure out how to do do reviews08:22
AJaegerregarding merging and reviews, I see "All matching translated/approved translations from the source version will be copied to the target version. "08:22
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eumel_8are there more timelines for Liberty release? rc1/2?08:23
amotokithe info is available at
AJaegerttx told me that we have 10 days for translation after RC1 and then they'll cut RC2.08:23
amotokiit says "Liberty translation (2015 Sep.10~2015 Oct.4)"08:24
AJaegeramotoki: exactly08:24
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AJaegerIs there anything else to discuss for Liberty?08:26
eumel_8so till Sunday we can work on the high priority projects08:26
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eumel_8you have some additional advices, Andreas?08:26
AJaegerYes. And if you edit strings later, they might not go into Liberty but we merge them for the next release back to master08:27
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amotokiIsn't it imported into stable branch?08:28
AJaegerBut it depends when exactly the release team cuts the branch.08:28
amotokiafter the initial release08:28
AJaegeramotoki: everythign gets imported into stable branch.08:28
amotokiAJaeger: thanks. sounds nice!08:28
AJaegerHorizon import from 6:00 UTC as proposal:
AJaegerThis one gets updated every day with your new edits08:29
AJaegerAny other questions or comments on Liberty?08:30
ianychoiNope from me08:30
katomonothing from me08:30
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AJaegerI see a lot of great progress by many teams, congrats!08:30
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AJaegerThen let's end the meeting for now - and continue via email or on the normal IRC channel!08:31
AJaegerThanks everyone for attending!08:31
ianychoiOkay. Thanks for all08:31
* AJaeger wishes a great day08:31
eumel_8thx also08:31
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katomoAJaeger: thanks to run the meeting !08:32
AJaegerkatomo: you're welcome08:32
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oomichi#startmeeting qa09:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Oct  1 09:00:57 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is oomichi. Information about MeetBot at
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oomichiwho all here today?09:01
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oomichiandreaf: jordanP: hi :-)09:01
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jordanPhum not  a lot09:02
oomichilooks like we 3 only today also09:02
oomichiyeah, gmann is not good helth condition now09:02
oomichihe is off today09:03
oomichimasayukig also is super busy now09:03
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oomichiok, let's start meeting09:03
oomichi^^^ today agenda09:04
oomichi#topic Mitaka Summit Prep09:04
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oomichithere are some topics proposed already09:05
oomichiwe need to post topics before 5th this month09:05
jordanPoomichi, with an extented description ?09:06
oomichiandreaf already proposed09:06
oomichijordanP: do you have more topics?09:06
jordanPnot really09:06
oomichijordanP: yeah, if you have, it is nice09:06
oomichimasayukig: hello ;)09:06
oomichijordanP: which topic do you want to extend?09:06
jordanPoomichi, I meant, some descriptions are empty09:07
jordanPfor some sessions, there's only a title09:07
masayukigoomichi: I have to leave in 30 mins, though.. :)09:07
oomichijordanP: ah, I see. Most topics without it09:07
oomichiyeah, we need to write descriptions before 5th09:08
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oomichimasayukig: ok, fine. do you have topic idea for tokyo summit sessions?09:08
masayukigoomichi: sorry, I don't have enough time to think about it... :(09:09
oomichiwe have 8 slots and 8 proposals. so all proposals will be approved in this situation :)09:09
oomichimasayukig: no problem09:10
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oomichisomeone has topics about this, or it is fine to move to the next topic?09:11
oomichi#topic Specs Reviews09:11
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oomichiat this time also, most qa-specs have -1 and we need to update them09:12
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jordanPI am still interested at the "Restructure Scenarios" BP09:13
oomichijordanP: it gets very old now09:13
jordanPI'll try to refresh it, give it some more thought09:14
andreafjordanP: thanks09:14
oomichijordanP: cool09:14
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oomichijordanP: did you talk about it with yfried09:14
oomichijordanP: ?09:14
jordanPnot yet09:14
jordanPI will09:15
oomichijordanP: thanks :) it is nice to go forward09:15
oomichi#action jordanP will update
oomichidoes someone need to talk about qa-specs more?09:16
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oomichi#topic Tempest09:17
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oomichiI'd like to talk about service clients dev situation.09:18
oomichia new tempest-lib which contains the first compute service client has been already released.09:18
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oomichibut tempest doesn't use it yet because g-r patch is not merged yet09:19
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oomichiafter merging it, temepst will use it and start migration09:20
oomichinext tempest-lib will be 0.10.0, not 1.0.009:20
oomichiwith including all compute service clients09:20
oomichiso now we are concentrating on migrating compute service clients to tempest-lib09:21
jordanPis it that bad that the g-r patch is not merged ? Can't it yet a bit ?09:21
oomichijordanP: before -rc release(making stable branch), g-r should be frozen.09:21
oomichijordanP: and now -rc is released. so I guess the patch will be merged soon, I hope :)09:22
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jordanPoomichi, right now we added some clients in tempest-lib but these clients have not been removed from tempest right ?09:22
oomichijordanP: perfectly right09:22
oomichijordanP: to be honest, I'd like to remove them from Tempest because we need to sync the code between tempest and tempest-lib if taking much time09:23
oomichifor migration09:23
jordanPoomichi, do you have a script, a procedure to remove them from tempest after the g-r patch merge ?09:23
jordanPoomichi, excatly09:23
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oomichijordanP: ah, we don't have. but that is really nice idea09:24
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oomichijordanP: we can remove them safely if the script checks code sync09:24
jordanPif we have something automated, we can procede with the removal very quickly09:24
oomichijordanP: +1 :)09:24
oomichiwe need to do that in long-term for the other service clients. so that will be helpful for us09:25
jordanP(I can"t do it in the next week, I am busy writting a manila driver... but the week after should be better for me)09:25
oomichijordanP: thanks09:25
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oomichi#action jordanP oomichi think the script for removing migrated service clients from tempest09:26
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oomichijordanP: are you working for manila itself also?09:27
jordanPoomichi, I am mostly writting a driver for my company. Not a lot of other contributions09:27
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oomichijordanP: cool, I see09:28
jordanPI am in thr dark side, the vendor side :D09:28
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oomichijordanP: no, that is not dark side ;-)09:28
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oomichijordanP: right side from company viewpoint09:29
jordanPyep :)09:29
oomichijordanP: andreaf: do you have topics for tempest?09:29
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andreafoomichi: nothing to add on my side09:30
jordanPI am good. There was some issues lately with the removal of Cinder v109:30
jordanPbut it has been reverted09:30
oomichiI got a nice idea for service clients, and all from me09:30
oomichijordanP: now temepst is testing cinder v1 or v2?09:31
jordanPoomichi, both today09:31
oomichito be honest, I cannot catch current situation for that09:31
jordanPbut yesterdan only Cinder v209:31
jordanPbut 2 days ago, both again :)09:31
jordanPso now, it's back to what it used to be a few days ago09:32
oomichijordanP: devstack was changed to use cinder v2 few days ago09:32
oomichiand problem happened I guess09:33
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jordanPoomichi, yep (more precesily, devstack was change to not run cinder v1 by default)09:33
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oomichibecause heat gate test used cinder v1, right?09:33
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oomichiah, I need to know current situation more after meeting09:34
jordanPyes, after meeting :)09:34
oomichijordanP: thanks09:34
oomichi#topic DevStack09:34
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oomichimaybe we can skip this topic09:35
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oomichi#topic Grenade09:35
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oomichithis also09:35
oomichiok, let's move to the next topic09:36
oomichi#topic OpenStack Health09:36
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oomichithis also?09:36
jordanPI haven"t really catched up with this yet09:36
oomichijordanP: yeah, I also.09:37
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andreafoomichi: I don't have much updates on this myself, I was a few days on holidays and need to catch-up09:38
oomichiandreaf: ok, fine09:38
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oomichilet's move to the next topic09:38
oomichi#topic Critical Reviews09:38
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oomichisomeone has patches necessary to be reviewed?09:39
* andreaf has to leave early today - he will catch the rest from the meeting logs09:39
oomichiandreaf: see you :)09:39
oomichithere are not so many topics today, but it is fine to finish now I feel.09:41
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oomichithanks all09:42
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* bauzas is ready to wave14:01
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johnthetubaguy#startmeeting nova14:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Oct  1 14:01:13 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'nova'14:01
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jaypipesbauzas: :P14:01
jrollsome long arms in here14:01
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johnthetubaguy#topic Liberty Status14:01
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johnthetubaguyhello everyone14:01
johnthetubaguyso we have RC1 out and being tested14:02
johnthetubaguywe are waiting for RC2 to open, to include more translations, and a few stragglers14:02
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johnthetubaguynothing serious enough to make us release another RC before the one we needed for translation updates14:02
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johnthetubaguythats the watch list14:02
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johnthetubaguyany questions?14:02
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johnthetubaguyOK, well keep eyes peeled for problems, now is the time to find them and fix them14:03
johnthetubaguy#topic Mitaka Status14:03
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johnthetubaguy#info master is open for mitaka14:03
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johnthetubaguyso the design summit sessions14:03
johnthetubaguy#info Deadline for session ideas: Tuesday 6th October, 23.59 UTC14:04
johnthetubaguy#info Link for submissions:
johnthetubaguy#info notes for those who can't get to google
johnthetubaguydoes that date work OK for folks, there was my ML post about why I chose that date14:05
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johnthetubaguybasically to give us time to choose before the final lock down of sessions the following thursday14:05
johnthetubaguyso attempting to get folks to break the specs into catagories14:05
edleafemakes sense14:05
johnthetubaguythe idea being we make sure we don't miss any super important specs14:06
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johnthetubaguythats where thats happening ^14:06
dansmithI've been using that,14:06
dansmithand it's been quite helpful14:06
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dansmithI made it through a large chunk of the specs on that page this week14:06
johnthetubaguythe urgent thing is looking for anything thats are really important, and will need in person discussion I guess14:06
johnthetubaguysweet, glad thats starting to help14:06
johnthetubaguyI basically started by adding the ones that haven been around a little while14:07
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sdaguethat's a nice break down there14:07
johnthetubaguystuff from this month mostly hasn't made it on there yet, but thats for later14:07
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johnthetubaguyso do add your own spec in there, if you fancy, as it gives us a helping hand14:07
bauzasjohnthetubaguy: oh we can ?14:07
johnthetubaguywe said at the midcycle about looking at spec review priorities14:08
bauzasjohnthetubaguy: cool14:08
jaypipesgah, sawtooth comb in my browser...14:08
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garykwhat should we do about spec less bp's?14:08
johnthetubaguyso thats next on the agenda14:08
johnthetubaguy#info please ping folks via email or IRC to get your -2 removed, once your spec and/or blueprint is approved14:09
johnthetubaguyso if you look on that etherpad we also have spec-less blueprints listed14:09
johnthetubaguynow I am thinking we use that etherpad to collect those too, does that work for people?14:09
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mriedemshould speed things up if we can just agree in the etherpad to approve rather than the nova meeting14:10
mriedemor vote in the whiteboard of the bp or something like that14:10
bauzasokay, so prio etherpad is for prio specs/bugs + quick hit bugs, and mitaka specs etherpad is for any other spec ?14:11
johnthetubaguyyeah, then we can just ack them in the meeting14:11
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johnthetubaguybauzas: thats the next bit, one sec14:11
johnthetubaguyso this is just specs and blueprints for now, in that etherpad14:11
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johnthetubaguyso the first three vmware ones, I am going to approve those, is anyone against that?14:11
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dansmithI haven't looked at them yet, are they on the page now?14:12
johnthetubaguywell, I will do the approve tomorrow morning, so vote in there if there is an issue I guess14:12
johnthetubaguyyeah, they are in there14:12
dansmithyeah, lemme run through them after the meeting14:12
garykall of the aforemenioned are totally self contained within the driver14:12
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johnthetubaguythe first one I am not sure I understand, but yeah14:12
johnthetubaguyso for next time, lets try vote on the etherpad before the meeting14:13
johnthetubaguyso this is just a wave through and discuss dissagreement thing14:13
garykwhich one? the opaque network support?14:13
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johnthetubaguyyeah, not sure I understand what its again14:13
garyki mentioedn that one at the vancouver summit and it has been in review since. it is a painpoint for out liberty neutron driver :(14:13
jaypipesit's to support NSXv limitations, AFAIR...14:14
garykjohnthetubaguy: it is just the name os a network type support by the VC14:14
garykjaypipes: no, that is not nsxv that is the new nsx version14:14
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jaypipesgaryk: ok14:14
garykjaypipes: that was the pian poin in kilo :(14:14
jaypipesgaryk: yeah, I wasn't happy with the vnic index and other things...14:14
johnthetubaguyso I don't quite get how thats exposed to the user from the blueprint14:14
markus_zWill this etherpad be closed later on? IOW, until which date can I add a blueprint to that?14:15
jaypipesanyway, don't want to go on tangent.14:15
garykjaypipes: yes, i recall.14:15
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johnthetubaguymarkus_z: at spec freeze I suspect, which is probably mitaka-114:15
garykjohnthetubaguy: it is not exposed to the user14:15
garykit is just how the internal plugin configures tings14:15
garykuntil now the configuration file would have 'br-int'14:15
garykwe no longer need that14:15
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garykkind of the VC also has the notion now of an OVS bridge and that is an opaque type14:16
johnthetubaguygaryk: it feels like a tiny spec for that first one would be good14:16
markus_zjohnthetubaguy: Ah, ok. Do I have to ping cores to have a look at it or will this be regularly looked at?14:16
johnthetubaguygaryk: the support provider network port group?14:16
johnthetubaguymarkus_z: should be looked at without pings14:16
markus_zok, thanks14:17
johnthetubaguygaryk: I think that needs a blueprint opening?14:17
mriedemwe're getting off in the weeds on the vmware specless bps here....can we table that?14:17
johnthetubaguygaryk: if you add one, I think I can happy with that14:17
garykjohnthetubaguy: yes, agree. i need to open one14:17
mriedemor do it in the nova channel later14:17
johnthetubaguymriedem: yes, was just hoping to be quick14:17
johnthetubaguylets stop with that now14:17
mriedem1 is fine, half a dozen is too many for the meeting14:17
garykgive me a finger and i'll take a hand14:17
mriedempull my finger14:18
johnthetubaguyyeah, agreed a plan for next time to avoid all this14:18
johnthetubaguythats the main bit14:18
johnthetubaguydidn't want to leave them blocked another week though14:18
johnthetubaguy#topic Regular Reminders14:18
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johnthetubaguyso this is the bit bauzas was asking about14:18
johnthetubaguyI created the mitaka etherpad of doom14:18
ndipanovjohnthetubaguy, can I add my spec to that etherpad?14:19
johnthetubaguysame idea as before really14:19
bauzassorry, was confused :)14:19
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johnthetubaguyndipanov: feel free to add it to the spec etherpad, yes14:19
johnthetubaguybauzas: no worries14:19
johnthetubaguyanyways, I copied across the trivial patches, and added a few sub groups that have patches up already14:19
johnthetubaguybut its there14:19
johnthetubaguy#topic Bugs14:19
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markus_zUnfortunately I was busy with other work and don't have a good overview right now, sorry.14:20
markus_zThe two crits have patches for stable/liberty but ttx -2 for RC opening14:20
johnthetubaguyyeah, they didn't seem bad enough to open the RC early14:20
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bauzaswe're currently monitoring if any regressions14:21
markus_z~8 reviews on the trivial bug list14:21
johnthetubaguyright, anything bug that we want to talk about14:21
bauzasthere is one bug that's planned to discussed during open discussion14:21
markus_zThat's all I can say for now14:21
mriedemthere was the novaclient legacy bdm bug14:21
johnthetubaguythere was a nasty one sdague and melwitt were looking at14:21
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mriedemyeah that14:21
bauzasright, that one too14:21
mriedemwe should probably do a patch release for that14:21
sdaguethat we just landed14:21
sdaguemriedem: yeh, I've already talked with ttx on it14:21
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mriedemsdague: well it's just client so we an do a release right?14:22
mriedempatch version release14:22
bauzasI just wonder if is a regression but let's leave that for later14:22
openstackLaunchpad bug 1500688 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "VNC URL of instance unavailable in CLI" [Undecided,New]14:22
sdaguebecause we can't do liberty -> master upgrade testing until it's fixed14:22
sdaguebauzas: it's definitely not good, it should be fixed14:22
openstackLaunchpad bug 1501435 in python-novaclient "osc 1.7 no longer can boot a server from volume" [Critical,Fix committed] - Assigned to John Garbutt (johngarbutt)14:22
bauzassdague: agreed14:22
bauzasthat's MHO14:22
johnthetubaguyso I think we need to release off the stable branch and master, so with might need to bump the major version on master14:22
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mriedemmaster release version will depend on what's changed14:23
mriedemi can look at that after the meeting14:23
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johnthetubaguymriedem: yeah, just thinking we need to release of stable as well14:23
johnthetubaguyso might have to ignore the rules there14:23
bauzasthe stable patches for the bdm stuff have been approved AFAIR14:23
mriedemstable should be a patch version release14:23
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mriedemmaster can be a minor version14:23
jrolljohnthetubaguy: wouldn't you do a patch release on stable and minor release on master? (rephrased, why major)14:23
mriedemi'll look after the meeting14:24
sdagueright, we need a release on both14:24
mriedemif we backported something to stable that requires a minor version bump, we f'ed up14:24
sdaguemriedem: great14:24
johnthetubaguyjroll: thats my assumption, yeah14:24
johnthetubaguymriedem: oh crud, thats true, but maybe thats not allowed?14:24
sdaguemriedem: it should be patch only I think, it's pretty minor14:24
jrollyeah ok14:24
mriedem#action mriedem to checkout novaclient releases for stable/liberty and master14:24
johnthetubaguyanyways, something for later14:24
johnthetubaguyyeah, thank you!14:24
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rsriteshHi..all I have one review to discuss...pending since long time..don't know how can I forward thsi14:24
johnthetubaguymriedem: stable all cool?14:24
bauzasanyone can put action items ?14:24
mriedemi think stable is ok14:25
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mriedemsome odd ebtables juno-only nova-net failure showed up yesterday14:25
johnthetubaguyrsritesh: lets put that in open discussion, after the items we have there14:25
mriedemnot sure what that is yet14:25
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mriedemmight be related to the ebtables failure we're seeing on master now14:25
johnthetubaguyinteresting, new test combo maybe14:26
mriedemno, not in juno14:26
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mriedemcould be kernel updates on trusty...14:26
openstackLaunchpad bug 1501366 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "libvirtError: Error while building firewall: Some rules could not be created for interface" [High,Confirmed]14:26
johnthetubaguy#topic Open Discussion14:26
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johnthetubaguymriedem: oh, true...14:26
garykat the summit will there br driver sessions?14:26
johnthetubaguyso we have an item here form abhishekk14:26
openstackLaunchpad bug 1416132 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "_get_instance_disk_info fails to read files from NFS due to permissions" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Eric Harney (eharney)14:26
johnthetubaguygaryk: one sec, will get back to that14:27
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abhishekkthis is reported by eric and required to be fixed for cinder feature (NFS clone and snapshot)14:27
johnthetubaguyabhishekk: what did you want to ask about thi?14:27
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abhishekknikola has suggested 2 ways to fix this bug IMHO neither of which are easy14:27
abhishekkI just want all members to have a look and give their opinion on the bug14:28
johnthetubaguyndipanov ^14:28
abhishekkIn between Eric also posted one solution but it is not a good way to fix14:28
abhishekkyes ndipanov14:28
garykabhishekk: can you please post that review14:28
* mriedem defers to ndipanov14:28
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johnthetubaguyhonestly, I wonder about attaching BDM to the instance object, dansmith is that totally crazy?14:29
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johnthetubaguylike a lazy load field think14:30
dansmithjohnthetubaguy: we currently have the opposite, right?14:30
ndipanovI think it's not _that_ hard14:30
dansmithjohnthetubaguy: we can make a lazy-load property, but I don't think we want it as a field because it makes it a circular dependency14:30
abhishekkjohnthetubaguy: yes lazy loading14:30
abhishekkcinder review:
ndipanovwell we can try that but I think that's gonna have a notice-able impact on the RT performance14:31
johnthetubaguydansmith: oh right...14:31
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ndipanovwe need select * from instance left join bdm on instance.uuid14:32
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johnthetubaguythere was someone talking about DB optimisation patches to remove excessive fetching/saving of BDMs during boot, it just feels like this could be adding lots more14:32
ndipanovit would add N queries to every RT run14:32
ndipanovN = number of instances14:32
ndipanovon the host14:32
johnthetubaguythat sounds a bit nuts14:32
ndipanovit is14:33
abhishekkndipanov: yes you are right14:33
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johnthetubaguyOK, so this feels like a good discussion for #openstack-nova, shall we take this offline?14:33
ndipanovwe need the join query really14:33
* jroll imagines that code running in an ironic env with hundreds of instances D:14:33
abhishekkok, I will ping on openstack-nova14:33
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bauzasso re:
openstackLaunchpad bug 1500688 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "VNC URL of instance unavailable in CLI" [Undecided,New]14:34
johnthetubaguycool, I have a feeling there are lots of poeple in the meeting who can't add too much14:34
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dansmithwe can hide that in a single query and rpc call wtithout much trouble14:34
markus_zbauzas: Could you confirm that bug? I tried to get more info in that bug report.14:35
bauzasmarkus_z: so, the story is that it has been changed in API v2.614:35
bauzasbut the client is not getting that14:35
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bauzasmriedem: you had a question on the client behaviour?14:36
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markus_zohh, I remember14:36
mriedemi was just saying the CLI shouldn't send 2.latest14:36
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mriedemit should send the latest version it's implemented to handle14:36
sdagueright, so novaclient needs code to interpret the results14:36
johnthetubaguymaybe always requesting the latest was a bad move...14:36
mriedemwhich is 2.4 right now i think14:36
sdaguemriedem: no, it's 2.1114:36
mriedemsdague: in the client i mean14:36
sdaguemriedem: right, in the client I thought someone implemented 2.1114:37
johnthetubaguyyeah, I think the client should maybe request a high watermark?14:37
mriedemsdague: ok, well then 2.5-2.10 are not available14:37
bauzasI can see a MAX_VERSION14:37
sdaguemriedem: right, that's the crux14:37
bauzasdoes that mean it's not respected when calling by the CLI ?14:37
johnthetubaguywe are missing some functional testing here I guess14:37
sdagueyes, we are missing testing14:37
sdagueand there is a hole in the microversion support14:38
mriedemwell you can workaround the bug by explicitly passing v2.1 or something <2.614:38
markus_zAh, that's the reason Horizon is able to get the VNC console, but the CLI isn't.14:38
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sdaguemarkus_z: yes14:38
mriedemyeah, i think that's a bad idea14:38
johnthetubaguymaybe it should be max API version per CLI call? or is that just silly?14:38
sdagueit should be max api14:38
johnthetubaguyso you just upgrade one call to a new version, rather than all calls14:39
sdaguehowever, it would still be broken14:39
mriedemimo the default should be the highest lower-bound that is supported, which i tihnk is 2.4 now14:39
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sdaguehonestly, I think that's going to be a mess14:39
mriedemregardless of if 2.11 is implemented14:39
sdaguebecause it won't let lower bounds ever move14:39
mriedemonce you add 2.5 support you change the default to 2.514:39
mriedemand so on14:39
sdagueit's going to cause a ton of fallout down the road that is going to be really hard to address14:39
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mriedemso on the server side the changes are incremental,14:40
mriedembut on the client side it's willy nilly14:40
edleafechanging APIs always messes up clients14:40
johnthetubaguyyeah, feels like we need incremental on the client side14:40
sdaguewe should just be stricter on saying "you can't add 2.x to max until we're sure everything in 2.x-1 are handled14:40
edleafeat least we have a sane way of addressing it14:40
sdaguethat's the mistake we made14:40
mriedemsdague: right14:40
mriedemagree with that14:40
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sdagueso lets just backfill that14:40
sdagueand be aware in the future14:41
mriedemso what should DEFAULT_OS_COMPUTE_API_VERSION be today? 2.11?14:41
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johnthetubaguyso to support 2.13 you must also add 2.12 support?14:41
sdaguejohnthetubaguy: yes14:41
johnthetubaguysdague: I guess thats OK14:41
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mriedemyeah, +1 to that14:41
johnthetubaguymriedem: feels like we should move that 2.4 while we fix thing up?14:41
alaskihow do we test that?14:42
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sdaguewe require tests on the boundary conditions to be submitted14:42
sdaguethe issue where is there are no tests for the vnc stuff either14:42
sdagueno functional tests14:42
mriedemyeah when i added 2.4 support there is a functional test for 2.1 and a test for 2.414:42
edleafewhat about requiring a client bug be created with each microversion?14:42
mriedemjust like on the server side14:42
markus_zI'm wondering that the old APIs got directly removed. Is that the usual approach? I thought they will be marked as deprecated but still functional.14:43
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johnthetubaguymarkus_z: we keep them for ever, basically14:43
mriedemedleafe: it should really just be part of the nova spec14:43
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alaskimriedem: okay, so it's clear from the changed code that a version is skipped?14:43
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edleafemriedem: sure, but I mean as a way of tracking14:43
sdaguemarkus_z: the resource is gone if you request that version, which is what the code is currently doing14:43
mriedemalaski: i guess if we change DEFAULT_OS_COMPUTE_API_VERSION for each impl, and someone skips some versions, then it'd be clear14:44
mriedembut we'd need to test that i'd think14:44
mriedemunit test would be easy14:44
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mriedemlike what we do in the nova objects version tests14:44
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alaskiokay.  I haven't looked at microversions in the client, just wondered if it would be clear, and testable14:45
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mriedem'this is the last known max value, did they try skipping a version?'14:45
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johnthetubaguyOK, is anyone in particular able to take that one, so I can give you an action?14:45
bauzasI'm a bit unclear, but why can't we default the max boundary to the same max boundary defined by novaclient?14:45
sdaguebauzas: we can, and we should14:45
markus_zsdague: Ah, ok, I thought it will just return the result from the new API.14:45
mriedemi'm not sure what max boundary we're talking about14:45
sdaguethis bug would still be there14:45
mriedemis there something besides this?
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mriedemjohnthetubaguy: i could take an action on this14:46
garykid this something that we need to document - say people are starting to use liberty and their existing clients break.14:46
johnthetubaguyI was looking at this I guess:
garykthat would be really problematic14:46
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bauzassdague: sure, we also need to gracefully change the API resource to call by the client if the server is >=2.6 IIUC14:46
sdaguebauzas: yes14:46
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* markus_z has the same thought as garyk14:46
mriedemjohnthetubaguy: oh hrm14:47
johnthetubaguygaryk: yeah, I think we need to fix this urgently too14:47
johnthetubaguymriedem: honestly, no idea what they both do, I haven't dug enough14:47
edleafeIMO the client "knows" the latest it can support. It shouldn't get that from the API14:47
bauzasgaryk: yup, I think this bug is High at least14:47
mriedemso and need to be tied together14:47
bauzasgaryk: and would need a RC2 backport14:47
bauzasmriedem: that's MHO14:47
sdagueright, the bug was that the client jumped to 2.11, but didn't handle the 2.6 switch14:47
mriedemi still don't think 2.11 as the default is right14:48
johnthetubaguybauzas: this is a client issue, its a client backport, but yeah14:48
mriedem2.11 as max is probably ok to opt into14:48
bauzasjohnthetubaguy: oh correct :)14:48
mriedembut i'd think default is 2.414:48
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johnthetubaguymriedem: yeah, lets move this back to something we know works, then try add the gaps?14:48
johnthetubaguythat should work I think14:48
sdaguejohnthetubaguy: +114:48
mriedemthat's what i was thinking, keep it simple14:48
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sdagueespecially as it will need to backport14:48
johnthetubaguywe can backport the nuke it, and move forward then14:49
jrollmriedem: fwiw, in ironic we decided not to have cli as max by default after much debate14:49
mriedemand we can backport a thing to stable/liberty and get it into the upcoming patch release which we know is happening b/c of the legacy bdm bug14:49
mriedemjroll: geez thanks for telling us!14:49
sdaguemriedem: we need the bdm release ASAP14:49
mriedemsdague: ok14:49
mriedemcan work both today separately14:49
jrollmriedem: read the ML harder :P14:49
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edleafein the client, isn't API_MAX_VERSION = x saying that the client can correctly handle any version up to and including x?14:49
sdaguejroll: yes, but nova's in a different boat with multi cloud support14:49
sdagueedleafe: it should mean that14:50
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sdaguethat's the bug14:50
jrollsdague: totally. just putting that data point out there, it isn't unprecedented14:50
edleafesdague: that was my understanding; just checking14:50
bauzasright, the resolution of the bug is to add support for 2.6 that's it14:50
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mriedem#action mriedem to sort out novaclient default/max api version mess and backport things14:50
bauzassupport in the client I mean14:50
mriedembauzas: well, 2.6-2.1014:50
sdaguebauzas: any, related, any other potential issues in there14:50
* jroll still of the opinion users should always explicitly pass a version, it's only one more env variable14:50
johnthetubaguyjroll: this is just the CLI at least, when you use it as an SDK you have to be explicit with versions14:50
mriedembauzas: the immediate tactical fix though is to not default to 2.1114:50
jrolljohnthetubaguy: yep14:51
bauzasmriedem: agreed, there is a workaround14:51
mriedembauzas: and then we backport that14:51
sdaguejroll: we disagree on that one, I don't think users should have to set any env vars14:51
sdaguethe cloud they are talking to knows what it can do14:51
bauzasmriedem: WFM14:51
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jrollsdague: oh, I know :)14:51
johnthetubaguywell, I like us trying to make it work14:52
johnthetubaguyI think we have a plan, we should cover the other two things before we run out of time14:52
sdagueyeh, this isn't hard to fix, it just got missed14:52
johnthetubaguysdague: mriedem: you folks are both on the case here I guess?14:52
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sdagueI think mriedem's on lead, I'll help review14:52
johnthetubaguy#action mriedem to look into the max API version in python-novaclient14:53
johnthetubaguyso garyk you had a question about driver sessions14:53
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johnthetubaguyso the question for me is, what do you want to debate in the session? do you have a list of specs that can't get agreement on, for example?14:53
bauzasmriedem: FWIW triaged
openstackLaunchpad bug 1500688 in python-novaclient "VNC URL of instance unavailable in CLI" [High,Confirmed]14:54
garykjohnthetubaguy: i feel that most of the time a lot of people have no idea what is going on in the various drivers and the sub teams can and should share the data.14:54
garykit would be a good platformt o share ideas and information14:54
garykat least enable one to give better clarity to the internals and help reviewrs undersyand things a bit better14:54
mriedemis a 40 minute session every 6 months going to fix that?14:54
mriedemmaybe a weekly meeting would be better if there are topics to discuss14:55
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sdagueit feels like a monthly email might be more useful14:55
mriedemyeah, something14:55
dansmithyeah, I think I'm done with driver sessions at summits14:55
garyksdague: that sounds like a good idea14:55
johnthetubaguygaryk: so here is the thing, I am giving priority to things that need in person discussion14:55
johnthetubaguyyeah, the monthly email is a good one14:55
garykjohnthetubaguy: ok. understood. lets leave the drivers out14:55
garyknot saying that in a bad way.14:55
mriedemyou could also do a thing like sdague's old friday google hangout sessions14:56
mriedemfor show and tell14:56
markus_zI liked those14:56
mriedemwhich would be good for education14:56
johnthetubaguyhonestly, thats almost something for the main conference track, and folks can watch the video afterwards14:56
garykmriedem: that sounds like a nice idea.14:56
mriedemlike, wtf are vmware opague networks?14:56
bauzasmriedem: ++ for resuming friday talks :)14:56
raildomriedem, ++14:56
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johnthetubaguycool, some top ideas there14:56
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garykmriedem: problem here is that is so internal in the driver and its hard to make changes like this and it causes cross project issues -14:57
raildoand will be easy for new nova guys, understand more about the nova new features :)14:57
johnthetubaguythere was one more person waiting about a stuck review14:57
garykliberty nova and stable liberty (due to the fact that we were asked to BP is) will not support liberty neutron14:57
garykthat is a huge problem14:57
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johnthetubaguyraildo: sharing more info is good, the specs are part of that process too14:57
mriedemgaryk: it came up late w/o a blueprint so it wasn't tracked, so part of the problem is just communication and process14:57
mriedemand there are ideas for improving that14:58
raildojohnthetubaguy, sure14:58
johnthetubaguyrsritesh: did you have something?14:58
garykmriedem: ok.14:58
openstackLaunchpad bug 1500688 in python-novaclient "VNC URL of instance unavailable in CLI" [High,Confirmed]14:58
rsriteshyes this14:58
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garykthat would be a very good session to have at the summit. but not sure if it is on the table14:58
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rsriteshi have written code for that feature14:58
mriedemrsritesh: so we just talked about that bug for like 15 minutes right?14:58
johnthetubaguygaryk: which session?14:58
bauzasrsritesh: we just discussed about 1500688 :)14:58
garyktalk about how to improve the process14:58
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garykwhat mriedem wrote above14:58
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rsriteshwrong ping14:59
mriedemgaryk: maybe friday meetup style if there are tihngs, we did talk about some of this at the last meetup (which i know you weren't able to attend)14:59
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rsriteshthe above is one is mine14:59
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johnthetubaguygaryk: OK, gotcha, we do usually have one of those15:00
sdagueyeh, that's a pretty drastic ux change15:00
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sdaguewhich I'm quite concerned is going to break folks15:00
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bauzasrsritesh: we usually have some contrib repository that handles meta commands15:01
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bauzasrsritesh: like the host-migrate CLI15:01
mriedemwe are over time15:01
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mriedemlet's move to -nova15:01
johnthetubaguyah, we are totally over15:01
johnthetubaguysorry, didn't see that15:01
johnthetubaguyanyways, thanks all15:01
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gordc#startmeeting ceilometer15:02
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gordchm... we can start i guess.15:03
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gordc#topic liberty-rc2 status15:03
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gordcjust a headsup, around middle of next week we'll cut a rc2 release to get the final translation packages in for liberty15:04
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eglynno/ (... late as per usual)15:04
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gordcwe can also include any major blocking items in so if you find anything please let me know so i know to target it against rc215:04
gordcwe also can put in super trivial items as well15:04
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gordcthat's pretty much only update on rc2, any questions/comments?15:05
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gordc#topic deprecation project tag15:05
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gordcthis is to discuss the new fun tag that was created recently15:06
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gordcwe have the option of opting in and following the deprecation rules15:06
gordcthe basic overview is that any feature must be deprecated a full cycle before being removed...15:07
jd__I think we want to opt-in but as it is currently written it's not a good fit15:07
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gordcsomething we go above and beyond already15:07
jd__we went over that with gordc already15:07
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gordcjd__: right.15:07
jd__the 3 months delay thing is not really clear or it's useless, one of that15:07
gordcso there's also another clause which says it must be deprecated 3 months before removal.15:08
gordcie. if you deprecated in L-3, you can only remove in M-115:08
jd__that's the clause I'm talking about15:08
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jd__which does not make much sense AFAIU15:08
cdentthat is a weird clause15:09
gordcright. to be honest, is annoying but it's not a huge deal for me. you should just need hold off for a bit15:09
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jd__so we apply to the tag and we just forget this rule?15:10
cdentbut it is so fun to start a cycle by removing a bunch of stuff15:10
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gordccdent: jd__: i believe the idea was to ensure those using the interim x-1, x-2, x-3 builds aren't broken15:10
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gordccdent: yeah. i think we already have a crapload of stuff we can remove already see: alarms15:10
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jd__gordc: except some projects don't do interim releases15:11
jd__and I imagine someday Ceilometer will stop too15:11
gordcjd__: i guess that don't reflect them.15:11
gordcjd__: i can't speak for 6 months from now.15:11
* jd__ nods15:11
gordcre: release process15:11
jd__gordc: I think you can explain that to the TC during the next meeting or whatever?15:12
gordcto play nice with the community and it's tags, are we all ok to opt into this?15:12
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gordcjd__: explain what?15:12
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jd__that the 3 months rule suck?15:12
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gordci reserve my complaining to offline.15:13
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gordcyou can if you win tc ;)15:13
ildikovsome timeframe is needed for deprecation anyway, but well, specifying it in months is "interesting"15:13
jd__np gordc you'll just have to deal with me grumbling from time to time then :p15:14
gordcildikov: yeah. i figure we should try it and if it becomes a hassle we can always opt out.15:15
gordcto be honest, right now it asks for just one full cycle of deprecation... we've been doing over 1cycle deprecation so it is actually easier in some regards15:15
jd__good point15:16
ildikovgordc: I hope we can comment on that docco later based on experience15:16
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gordcildikov: i'm sure you can grumble to tc like jd__ :)15:16
ildikovgordc: regarding API, etc we were discussing two cycles, so 1 does not sound that bad15:16
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ildikovgordc: LOL :)15:16
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jd__Team Grumble15:16
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jd__we could send a patch to the tag repo I guess, but that's likely more work I want to push into that system15:17
jd__more work than what*15:17
jd__I guess we can move on gordc :)15:17
gordcjd__: agree. we can start patching if we find it to be super annoying in real life15:17
gordcjd__: works for me... we need a vote or everyone cool?15:18
jd__who's completely against that idea?15:18
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jd__nobody, no need to vote I guess :)15:18
gordccool. moving on15:18
* cdent can live with it15:18
gordc#action gordc to find out what needs to be done to opt-in15:19
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gordc#topic ceilometer mentoring15:19
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gordci don't know if we have a potential task for gnocchi yet.15:19
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gordci think jd__ said he could volunteer, and i'd help if it required too much of his time15:20
ildikovgordc: I saw more names with Ceilometer on the list last time15:20
cdentIs this outreachy stuff or something else?15:20
gordcildikov: is it only one or more than one we can take?15:20
gordccdent: outreachy stuff15:20
ildikovgordc: I think one, or at least I don't think we will have that many mentors15:20
jd__I opened a few bugs in Gnocchi that might be low hanging fruit at first15:20
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jd__we can find bigger things next15:21
ildikovgordc: I don't know how the candidate gets selected finally though15:21
gordcildikov: ack.15:21
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gordcjd__: sounds good. i'll just add details on gnocchi and put yourself and me down as a single mentor15:22
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gordcif anyone else wants to mentor, feel free to volunteer since there's a lot of candidates apparentl15:22
ildikovgordc: do you know whether we would need to specify the topic now or it can be done later?15:22
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gordcildikov: if i recall, you should have a topic so the candidates can figure out if they're really interested or not.15:23
gordcbut i can confirm that15:23
ildikovgordc: ok, makes sense :)15:23
gordccdent: small dreams15:23
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ildikovgordc: then WORLD PEACE ;)15:24
gordcildikov: dream too big.15:24
gordc#topic Open discussion15:24
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cdentDo we have some "themes" for summit/mitaka?15:25
cdentsome kind of "here's what we care about" we can lean our thinking towards?15:25
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gordccdent: hmm... nope.15:26
cdentshould we?15:26
gordcyou have an example? 'streamlining"15:26
pradkthe etherpad kinda gives that based on the topics we added?15:26
ildikovcan the roadmap serve as the list of items we care about or it's really one thing from that list or anywhere?15:26
cdentI don't want to limit what we do to just one thing, but it is nice to have a general idea of where we are caring most: splitting things off, fixing bugs, fixing performance, adding features, whatever15:27
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cdentliberty kind of started out with splitting things off, and that led to lots of productive conversation15:27
cdentand some good change15:27
cdentnow it seems like we either need to continue that or consolidate things or...15:27
gordccdent: i'm open to anything.15:28
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gordcwe sort of let the vote for topics dictate what our 'themes' then to be15:28
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jd__we should find something else to split next I guess15:29
cdenthave enough people provide stuff on the etherpad yet so that we can make with the voting15:29
ildikovdo we want to wait and see how much this splitting works out longer term and concentarte on smth else as focus point now?15:29
gordcjd__: that's an idea in etherpad15:29
ildikovhave we deprecated our v2 API already BTW?15:29
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ildikov... as it will be needed to move towards Gnocchi for instance, I guess we plan to have this step once not in the too far future15:30
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gordccdent: we tentatively set deadline for oct 5th15:31
* cdent has no sense of time15:31
gordcwe don't have anything officially proposed though15:31
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cdentgordc: that's kind of what I'm saying: how do we make the leap from the etherpad to the spreadsheet?15:32
gordcwe should probably have a topic on gnocchi and aodh specifically. i think there already are15:32
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gordcwe need someone to take ownership who whatever they typed in etherpad15:33
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* cdent ask himself to do something about his stuff15:33
gordcseems like there should be topics on:15:33
gordcv2/v3 api15:33
gordcaodh - expanding event alarming15:33
ildikovwe also had some chat with the Monasca guys on alarming15:34
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gordci'm going to start copying stuff over from etherpad if we don't get much action soon on google docs.15:36
gordci'll send a reminder email today15:36
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gordcif we see very few submissions come oct 5th, we can re-evaluate whether we want to delay voting15:37
gordcsound good?15:37
ildikovgordc: +115:37
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gordccool cool15:38
gordcjasonamyers: did we want to just have a virtual meetup again? i don't know if you got anymore feedback for January meetup15:39
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gordci'll catch up with him later. but if you havne't replied and plan on going, reply asap15:41
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gordcany other items?15:41
jasonamyersI guess15:41
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jasonamyersno one seems do wanna go to ireland I blame cdent15:41
cdentYeah, it's usually my fault15:41
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gordcjasonamyers: true true15:42
gordcfinal countdown.15:42
jasonamyersI say we call it and go virtual15:42
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gordcjasonamyers: agree. i'll sync up with you afterwards15:43
gordcthanks for joining everyone15:43
jasonamyerssounds good15:43
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sridhar_ram#startmeeting tacker16:00
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sridhar_ram#topic Roll Call16:00
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sridhar_ramwho is here for tacker ?16:01
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sridhar_ramsripriya: vishwanathj: tbh: hi there, lets give a min or two and then start16:02
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afvHi Sridhar - here for Tacker, but been tracking mostly to now - Andy16:03
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sridhar_ramafv: hi Andy, welcome!16:03
sridhar_rambobh: s3wong: ping16:04
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sridhar_ramlets start..16:04
sridhar_ram#topic Announcements16:04
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sridhar_ramAgenda here - #link
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sridhar_ramMitaka summit is just few weeks away ..16:05
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sridhar_ramHere is the etherpad for mitaka summit .. #link
sridhar_ramplease add you are name if you are planning to attend...16:07
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sridhar_ramwe can also use the same etherpad for the topics to discuss there..16:07
sridhar_ramAnother important / good news ... we now have a BoF (Birds of Feathers) session for Tacker in the official schedule16:08
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sridhar_ramThis BoF session is scheduled for Tuesday Oct 27, 12:05 - 12:45pm16:09
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sridhar_ramplease mark your calendars and spread the news in your circles ...!16:09
tbhthat;s great!16:09
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sridhar_ramTarget audience is beyond tacker developers - this would be a good forum to get input from Operators / Telcos, other SDOs like OPNFV, ODL folks, standards folks from ETSI, TOSCA, etc16:10
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sridhar_ramBeyond this the developers should plan for a solid design session .. I'm hoping we can do this on Friday as there is no sessions in the Main Conference16:12
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sridhar_ramI still need to get a doodle poll started.. will do it by next week.16:13
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sridhar_ram#topic Health Monitoring16:13
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sridhar_rambobh: are you here ?16:13
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sridhar_ramI see the review is progressing well for Bob's code changes ... #link
sridhar_ramI hopeful we can wrap this up by next week...16:15
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sridhar_ramtbh: any updates from your side on health-mon ?16:15
tbhyes sridhar, I have pushed the http ping driver for review16:15
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sridhar_ramtbh: nice, this is important as we need to validate the health-mon framework w/ something other than ping driver16:16
tbhsridhar_ram, whe monitor is unable to connect to VNF, tacker is raising keyerror of template_id16:17
sridhar_ramtbh: can you provide the link ?16:17
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tbhthat's only issue, we have at present16:17
sridhar_ramtbh: I see..16:17
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sridhar_ramsripriya: did template_id move in the MANO api refactoring ? perhaps it is a merge damage ?16:18
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tbhsridhar_ram, and I will update devref based on both these drivers16:18
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sripriyasridhar_ram: no template_id is still sent for the inner layers16:18
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sridhar_ramsripriya: altight..16:19
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sridhar_ramtbh: this is something we need Bob to chime in...16:19
sridhar_ramI'm planning to try the health-mon code in my testbed as well..16:19
sridhar_ramwill post my findings in the gerrit review..16:19
sridhar_ramtbh: thanks for taking up the devref as well..16:20
sripriyatbh: i can help look into the issue16:20
sridhar_ramsripriya: thanks!16:20
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tbhthanks sripriya16:20
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sridhar_ramI'm hoping after liberty .. many vendors would consider developing custom mon drivers for their VNFs16:21
sridhar_ramthat would be the success criteria..!16:21
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sridhar_ramanything else on health-mon ?16:21
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sridhar_ram#topic Bug Sprint16:22
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sridhar_ramAs discussed in last meeting .. lets start a two-weeks bug spring for tacker!16:23
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sridhar_ramHere is the list of bugs in open starts (new, in-progress, etc) -
sridhar_ramwe have a total of 32...16:24
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sridhar_ramthere are couple of low-hanging-fruit bugs as well --
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sridhar_ramif anyone interested to contribute .. this is the best way to get started!16:25
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sridhar_ramHere is the list of unassigned bugs - #link
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sridhar_ramtotal of 9 bugs up for grabs16:27
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sridhar_ramlooking forward for everyone in the team to pitch in!16:27
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sridhar_ramvishwanathj: thanks for taking up that nasty pending_create bug... it is quite critical16:27
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vishwanathjI have uploaded a patchset and have already received comments from bobh16:28
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sridhar_ramvishwanathj: nice!16:28
sridhar_ramany other thoughts on bug sprint ?16:29
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sridhar_ram#topic Documentation16:29
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sridhar_ramany ideas how we can improve tacker documentation beyond devrefs?16:30
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sripriyasridhar_ram: does convert devref to manuals? i could not confirm that with neutron when i explored the devrefs and docs, they were not the same16:32
tbhit is better to provide a complete use case of examples16:32
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tbhlike starting a VNF, configuring etc.,16:32
tbhwith suitables images and vnfds16:32
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sridhar_ramsripriya: that is the ideal (for short-term)... if there is a way to light up with all the devrefs we have16:33
sridhar_rambobh: hi there!16:33
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sridhar_ramtbh: yeah, that would be awesome to have a proper user-guide for Tacker16:34
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s3wongsorry, very late, guys, had to attend to my daughter in the morning...16:35
sridhar_ramagain, I'm still catching up here on the whole openstack docs process...16:35
sridhar_rams3wong: hi there, np16:35
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bobhaccess to images is probably the main issue - it's easy to use what is provided in devstack16:35
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sridhar_rambobh: agree16:36
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tbhbobh, yeah some relatively small images will do, and need to update devstack scripts for tacker to upload those images to glance where running stack itself16:36
sripriyasridhar_ram: i could not look up more on docs last week, i will takek it up as an AI and get back16:36
sridhar_ramtbh: what do you expect from these images ? something beyond cirros images ?16:37
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tbhsridhar_ram, as we are providing openwrt vnfd, it is good to provide it's image and vnfd to update also16:38
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tbhso that a user/developer can clearly understand the working of tacker16:39
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sridhar_ramtbh: that's reasonable to document how to host openwrt as an example... but we don't have way to host qcow2 images in our repos16:41
sridhar_ram*deploy openwrt16:41
bobhsridhar_ram: maybe we can have links to known working examples?16:41
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sridhar_ramyes, we can place qcow2 someplace and provide the links in the doc...16:42
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tbhsridhar_ram, as magnum like projects, tries to download atomic images and update to glance while running devstack, we dont' need to host in our repos16:43
sridhar_ramhowever .. I do see some value in providing step by step instruction to prepare, onboard and deploy VNFs using Tacker16:43
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bobhsridhar_ram: agree16:43
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sridhar_ramsounds good...16:43
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sridhar_rambtw, my understanding is we can't download openwrt qcow2 as is from their servers.. it needs some "touch ups" before it can be used in openstack.16:44
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sridhar_ramoverall such a deployment guide will help tacker adoption16:45
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sridhar_rambtw - do you think we need a document on how to condigure tacker.conf entries ?16:45
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sridhar_ramperhaps a devref could help here for near term ?16:45
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sripriyasridhar_ram: also, to add, it requires some more clean up :-)16:47
bobhsridhar_ram: Agree - can probably use the changes that devstack makes as a starting point for the doc16:47
sridhar_ramsripriya: agree :)16:48
sridhar_rambobh: okay...16:48
sridhar_ramso lets summarize here :)16:48
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sridhar_ram1) we will finish up devrefs in flight and add one for tacker.conf16:49
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sridhar_ram2) hook up devref to
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sridhar_ram3) starts a basic deployer guide doc for tacker16:50
sridhar_ramI'll take the AI for (2) above .. I'm anyway doing stuff in project-infra16:50
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sridhar_ramany volunteers for (3) ?16:50
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sripriyasridhar_ram: i can take up 3) :)16:51
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sridhar_ramsripriya: thanks...16:51
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sridhar_ramtbh: it will be great if you can colloborate w/ sripriya -16:52
tbhsure sridhar_ram16:52
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sridhar_ramtbh: sripriya: thanks a lot.. docs are an important deliverable.. sometimes as important as the code as well.. so THANKS A LOT!16:53
sripriyawe also need to keep the doc current as tacker evolves16:53
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sripriyasridhar_ram: where do we place the doc?16:54
* sridhar_ram notes 6 mins left16:54
sridhar_ramsripriya: is there a separate repo for openstack docs ?16:54
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sripriyasridhar_ram: yes16:54
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sridhar_ramah.. I see.. we need it there16:55
sridhar_ramwe can start w/ something simple and evolve...16:55
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sridhar_ramanything else on docs ?16:56
sripriyawe need to confirm if stackforge projects are allowed in openstack docs16:56
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annegentlesripriya: good question. I'll follow up and see what we think on that.16:56
sripriyaannegentle: thanks!16:56
annegentleMy initial reaction is "must be in projects.yaml"16:56
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sripriyaannegentle: ok16:57
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sridhar_ramannegentle: thanks, we plan to apply for goverance in the near future... meanwhile we want to get as many pieces straight as possible16:58
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sridhar_ram#topic Open Discussion16:58
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sridhar_ramfolks - who joined late please catchup in eavesdrop logs ..16:58
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sridhar_ramquick heads up .. we have a BoF session for Tacker in Tokyo.. please make a note and spreadh16:59
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sridhar_ramlets wrap then...16:59
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sridhar_rambye folks!16:59
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daneyon#startmeeting container-networking18:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Oct  1 18:00:32 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is daneyon. Information about MeetBot at
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'container_networking'18:00
daneyonI'll wait a minute for everyone to review the agenda18:00
daneyonIt's a short one :-)18:01
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daneyon#topic roll call18:01
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adrian_ottomight as well begin roll call18:01
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adrian_ottoAdrian Otto18:01
suro-patzSurojit Pathak18:01
daneyonThank you adrian_otto dane_leblanc suro-patz vilobhmm111 for attending the meeting.18:02
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daneyon#topic Review Swarm patch.18:02
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daneyonNot much has changed with the patch I posted last week18:02
daneyoneghobo thanks for joining18:02
daneyonI have a newer version of the patch locally that I'm still playing with.18:03
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daneyonI got a bit side tracked fixing a few bugs.18:03
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daneyonHopefully I can post an updated version of the patch later today that will address using None as the default net_driver for Swarm18:04
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daneyonI have removed using a VIP and all the associated load-balancing config for the swarm api18:05
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daneyonit's not needed and does not work since the tls patch was merged.18:05
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daneyonsince neutron lbaas does not support tls offload, we will need to figure out a plan for supporting tls with load-balancing.18:05
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daneyonIs anyone familiar with project Octavia?18:06
adrian_ottoeach node holds the cert, and use layer 3 lb (TCP port forwarding)18:06
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adrian_ottouse a simple health check to drop dead nodes18:06
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daneyonadrian_otto that can be a near-term fix18:07
daneyonlong-term, it would be nice to perform l7 load-balancing by offloading the session to the load-balancer and then re-encrypting on the backend from the lb -> the swarm managers18:08
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daneyonadrian_otto we will look at reimplementing the swarm mgr load-balancing when the bay type supports multiple swarm managers.18:09
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daneyonhere is the guide that will be followed for implementing multiple managers:18:09
adrian_ottodaneyon, I don't understand the desire to offload ssl, and then use encrypted back channels18:09
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eghobodaneyon: but I believe only one can be active18:09
adrian_ottoseems like more complexity that may not be needed18:10
daneyonas you can see from the guide, only 1 mgr is primary and others are backups18:10
adrian_ottois there some routing decision taht involved layer 7?18:10
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daneyonI would expect that Docker better addresses swarm mgr ha/scale in a future release.18:10
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eghobodaneyon: mesos has the same model18:11
daneyonadrian_otto I would expect that we may need to address different security use cases.18:11
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adrian_ottohave we detailed the uses cases anywhere?18:12
daneyonFrom my experience, some users are OK with off-loading ssl to a slb and clear on the back-end. Others want to e-2-e encryption. In that case, we can do simple L4 checks/load-balancing, but L7 is preferred as long as the hw can handle it18:12
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adrian_ottoif the client can do simple SRV lookups, and designate is present, there may be no need for load balancing18:13
daneyonadrian_otto currently load-balancing the swwarm mgr's is unneeded. It can be implemented, but any traffic to the replicas will be forwarded to the primary18:13
adrian_ottojust inform designate to update the SRV record when the service availability changes18:14
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eghoboadrian_otto: +118:14
eghobomost clients can handle retries18:14
adrian_ottobecasue that sounds to me like a "Where do I find the active master" question, which is a service discovery issue, not a load balancing one18:15
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Tangojoining late18:15
daneyonwe could setup load-balancing so the vip always sends traffic to the primary, until the L3/4 health check fails and then goes to 1 of the replicas. However, we may get in a situation where node-3 becomes the master and the slb sends traffic to node-2. node-2 will redirect to node-3. ATM I don't see much value in load-balancing the swarm managers until Docker provides a better ha/scale story18:15
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eghobodaneyon: how do you know how is primary?18:16
daneyoneghobo you are correct,, kind of. The replicas simply redirect requests to the primary in the cluster.18:17
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daneyoneghobo good to know that mesos follows the same approach.18:17
daneyonadrian_otto I have not detailed the swarm manager ha, scale, load-balancing, etc.. use cases.18:17
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eghoboactually it's another way around, swarm mimic it from Mesos ;)18:18
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adrian_ottoI suggest we record the use cases first, and then consider design/implementation options based on those18:18
daneyonatm i think we simply table using a load-balancer for swarm managers until A. We implement swarm clustering (right now we only deploy a single swarm mgr) B. Docker has a better ha/scale story for swarm.18:19
adrian_ottofine with me18:19
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daneyonTango thx for joining18:19
hongbinsure. The swarm HA should be addressed in a dedicated blueprint18:20
eghobohongbin: +1, the same way as ha for kub and mesos18:20
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TangoWould it make sense for us to get involved in developing the ha/scale proposal for Docker, or at least follow it closely?18:21
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daneyonadrian_otto I think it's a bit of both and why i reference ha/scale. If we had a large swarm cluster, we want to have all mgr nodes in the cluster active. In that scenario, we want to front-end the mgr's with a load-balancer. This is the typical ha/scale scenario that I see most users request. ATM this is a moot point since swarm scaling is not there.18:21
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daneyoneghobo primary = 1st node in the cluster18:22
TangoEspecially if we have opinion about how it should be done18:22
daneyonhongbin agreed re; swarm ha bp18:22
daneyonI believe I have already created one18:23
daneyonTango I think it's a good idea to get involved in any upstream projects that can have an effect on Magnum18:23
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daneyonhere is the link o the swarm ha bp18:24
daneyonfeel free to add to it18:24
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daneyonI have also created a bp for swarm scaling18:25
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daneyonit would be nice to eventually auto scale swarm nodes18:26
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daneyonit would be great to see someone from the team tackle these bp's18:26
daneyonIf not, I am hoping that I can tackle them when I'm done with the net-driver implementation across all bay types18:27
eghobodaneyon: I feel it's out of magnum scope, it's feature of swarm scheduler18:27
TangoThere is a talk on autoscaling at the Summit, we can follow up with these BPs18:27
daneyoneghobo what is?18:27
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hongbinHere is the autoscale blueprint:18:28
daneyonthanks hongbin18:28
daneyoneghobo I am referring to adding new nodes to the bay. If I create a bay with master_count 1 and node_count 1. THings work great and now I need add'l capacity. I need to scale out the node count18:30
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daneyoneghobo the swarm scheduler seems pretty decent, so I'm not talking about touching the swarm scheduler18:30
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daneyonswarm scheduler strategies18:31
eghobodaneyon: i see, we definitely need it and it should work the same way for all coe18:31
suro-patzdaneyon: Would you please elaborate - what we want to achieve on
daneyonswarm scheduler filters18:31
eghoboshould we return to networking topic ;)18:31
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daneyoneghobo agreed. Unfortunatly, as adrian_otto has mentioned, we do not have feature parity across all bay types.18:32
daneyonhopefully that will change going fwd18:32
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suro-patzdaneyon: my incrementing the —master_count attribute, from magnum point of view we are just adding a node to the bay as one more control end-point. Providing HA for API/ETCD should be out of magnum's scope18:33
eghoboadd/delete nodes it's common for all bays, isn't?18:33
daneyonsuro-patz I am bsaicly saying in the bp we should implement ha for the swarm mgr's. Our only solution is from Docker's HA guide18:33
eghobodaneyon: +118:33
hongbineghobo: yes, currently users can manually add/remove nodes from bay18:34
hongbineghobo: for all bay types18:34
hongbinalthough remove node doesn't work very well with swarm, due to the lack of replication controller18:34
daneyonsuro-patz so, the swarm bay type needs to implement the master_count attr. The heat templates need to be updated to orchestrate multiple masters. When master_count is > 1, the --replication and --advertise flags should be added to the swarm manage command18:35
daneyonI think it could be done pretty easily. I think this is really important to address Magnum's primary goal of production ready18:35
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daneyonIn the mean-time users would have to deploy multiple swarm bays and spread their containerized app's across the multiple bays to achieve HA18:36
daneyonI think it would be nice to provide users with an option to have in-cluster ha18:36
eghobodaneyon: +118:38
daneyoneghobo re: scaling. I was referring to having a future option to auto scale nodes. FOr swarm mgr's I don't think auto-scaling is needed anytime soon. Instead we need to support multiple masters for HA purposes.18:38
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suro-patzdaneyon: I see, this is to support HA of the control plane of swarm, and magnum should help setting that up18:38
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daneyonsuro-patz master_count adds swarm manager nodes, not swarm agent nodes.18:39
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suro-patzdaneyon: correct, I meant swarm manager by 'control plane'18:39
daneyonsuro-patz the patch I'm working on removes the swarm agent from the swarm manager. This provides a clear seperation between control/data planes. swarm managers are strictly the control plane while swarm agent nodes are the data plane. We will eventually want to separate the communication between swarm mgr/agent and standard container traffic, but that's a different topic.18:40
daneyonsuro-patz that is correct. We want HA in the control plane18:41
eghobodaneyon: can we do without ha first and will add it latter18:42
suro-patzdaneyon: I am still not clear on the original LB issue you raised, may be we can spend some time on the IRC after this meetingt18:42
daneyonwe will leave it up to the swarm scheduler to provide ha to containers based on the scheduling strategy.18:42
daneyoneghobo yes. None of my network-driver work depends on ha.18:42
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daneyonsuro-patz sure. In summary, a load-balancer is not needed b/c A. We have not implemented multiple swarm managers and B. Swarm mgr clustering != all mgr's are active... only 1 active mgr (primary) and others (replicas) are on standby.18:44
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daneyon#topic Review Action Items18:45
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daneyonACTION: danehans to look into changing the default network-driver for swarm to none.18:45
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daneyonI have looked into it and working through the changes to default swarm to network_driver None and have the option for flannel18:45
daneyondane_leblanc is working on a required patch to make this work too18:46
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suro-patzdaneyon: if we are suggesting flannel for kub, why not for swarm too, as default?18:46
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daneyonHe and I imeplmented network-driver api validation... currently the validation only allows for network-driver=flannel18:46
daneyonnot good for the none type ;-)18:46
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daneyonthis is the validation patch that was merged:18:47
daneyondane_leblanc is working on a patch to update the validation to include "none" type18:47
daneyonsuro-patz we had a lengthy discussion on that topic during last week's meeting.18:48
dane_leblancShould have the validation up for review today18:48
suro-patzdaneyon: Will check the archive18:48
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daneyonpls review the meeting logs to come up to speed and ping myself or others over irc if you would like to discuss further.18:48
daneyonACTION: danehans to continue coordinating with gsagie on a combined kuryr/magnum design summit session.18:48
daneyonI still have not had time to address this18:49
daneyonI tried pinging gsagie today, but I did not see him on irc18:49
daneyonI will carry this fwd18:49
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daneyon#action danehans to continue coordinating with gsagie on a combined kuryr/magnum design summit session.18:49
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daneyon#topic Open Discussion18:49
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daneyonWe have a few minutes to discuss anything the group would like.18:50
eghobodaneyon: are you testing swarm with atomic 3 or 5?18:50
daneyoneghobo 318:50
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daneyonanyone see this article18:52
daneyonI think it would be awesome if we can pull something like this off for Magnum18:52
daneyonwould give users/operators a lot of confidence in using Magnum18:52
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daneyonI'll wait 1 minute before ending the meeting.18:53
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daneyonAlright then... thanks for joining.18:55
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dtroyer#startmeeting OpenStackClient19:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Oct  1 19:01:27 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is dtroyer. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'openstackclient'19:01
dtroyeranyone here?19:01
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MeganRHi, I am new, but here19:01
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dtroyeralarm ping: dhellmann, stevemar, briancurtin, terrylhowe, lhcheng, sigmavirus24, dstanek19:02
dtroyerHi MeganR, welcome19:02
sigmavirus24kind of half here19:02
dtroyerok, might be a quick meeting then...19:03
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lhchengo/ kinda half here too :(19:04
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dtroyerso we have one FTE there ;)19:04
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lhchengI think one topic stevemar is interested in is:
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stevemardtroyer: o/19:05
dtroyerok, lets get going now that stevemar is here19:05
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dtroyer#topic release 1.7.119:05
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dtroyerLet's start with the pending 1.7.1 release to fix an Image v2 issue19:06
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dtroyerit's based on stevemar's fix for find_resource() to handle resources/managers that don't have resource_class attribute19:07
dtroyerwe're looking at you glancelclient v219:07
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dtroyerthat combined with a novaclient change totally broke boot from volume19:07
dtroyerthe novaclient fix was released a few hours ago, our fix is merged and release pending19:08
dtroyerI don't know if anyone has anything to add, I just wanted to get that out in case there were any questions.  we quick-merged the reviews to do all of that19:08
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lhchengthanks stevemar for the quick fix!19:10
dtroyer#topic image v2 set and create19:10
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dtroyerthose were part of a chain of reviews addressing a set of image v2 changes, mostly to image set19:11
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dtroyer is at the root of that chain19:12
dtroyerI've gone back and forth about the —property alias options that are there, I landed on leaving them in because we already have a release with them19:12
dtroyerI think we're going to go forward with this set and address further issues as follow-up, unless more objections surface19:13
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dtroyer#topic Reviews19:15
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dtroyerlhcheng mentioned, stevemars set of object store additions19:16
dtroyerI've registered reservations about the object name 'account' but don't have a better alternative to propose19:16
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stevemargah, i am back now19:17
lhcheng"object account", "object-store account"?19:17
dtroyerlhcheng: suggested 'object account' which I culd live with19:17
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dtroyerif I culd spel19:17
stevemar`object account` hmmm19:17
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stevemari'd almost prefer object-store account19:18
dtroyerit's specific enough to remove my ambiguity concerns, if a little awkward19:18
stevemarbut i ain't no fancy UX guru19:18
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dtroyerthat is probably better from a naing perspective19:18
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dtroyerspecific and precise19:18
dtroyerand longer19:18
lhchengnot an UX expert, but just didn't want to type longer19:19
lhchengI am fine either way19:19
stevemarcan we have a dash?19:19
dtroyerwe've thrown out 'tab completion' before to answer that, but its not a great answer19:19
dtroyerstevemar: do we use 'object-store' anywhere now in the CLI?  in another command or option?19:20
lhchengdtroyer: right! forgot about that awesome tab feature :)19:20
dtroyerI think the dash is consistent with out internal use19:20
stevemardtroyer: actually we don't use a dash19:21
stevemarwe opt for a space19:21
stevemarwe have `object crud` and `container crud`19:22
dtroyer?? we use 'object store' somewhere externally visible?19:22
dtroyerthat's not the same thing19:22
dtroyer'object-store account'  vs  'object store account'19:23
stevemarwe use this:
stevemarugh store is a verb too19:23
dtroyer?? it shouldn't be19:24
stevemarand a noun :)19:24
stevemardtroyer: well, it's an 'object-store' it's a noun in this case19:24
dtroyer'Object Store' is used and the name of the subsystem/API in documentation19:25
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dtroyerso the proposal is to use 'object store account' as a three word noun19:25
dtroyerwe don't use dashes in nouns anywhere else19:25
dtroyerand I am OK with the precedent of using the API/subsystem name as a disambiguation.  plugins are doing it (except for the ones using project code names,err)19:26
dtroyerok, lets follow up in the review?19:27
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stevemardtroyer can i request that we rename in a later patch19:28
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stevemardo I have to change the method/class signatures or just the entry points? :)19:28
dtroyerstevemar: sure.19:28
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stevemarwe should do a 1.8.0 release when the swifty bits are in, i can then update devstack to remove some silly swift commands19:29
dtroyerchange the classes if you think it would be confusing not to, otherwise we do have other places they're not a perfect match19:29
stevemardtroyer: the classnames should be obvious enough19:29
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dtroyerAny other reviews to mention?19:30
stevemardtroyer: good, review the code then :D19:30
stevemarnot from me19:31
stevemari'm swamped with keystoney bits19:31
dtroyerso congrats PTL-man!19:31
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terrylhoweyeh, grats stevemar !19:31
stevemardtroyer: terrylhowe oh so much fun19:32
stevemari hate stable-maint19:32
dtroyerI wanted to mention that I've taken the initial SDK review further down the road of getting the auth right, even though KSA will change the SDK.19:32
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dtroyerI am primarily building an example that steps through the whole thing to get it in one place and easy to understand19:33
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dtroyerand considering doing KSA directly19:33
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stevemarwe're using it indirectly now with occ19:34
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dtroyerThere are a couple other reviews that have sat for a bit between the efforts for image v2 and yesterday's fun19:34
dtroyerstevemar: occ is getting out of control19:35
dtroyermaybe it should configure logging too19:35
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dtroyerok, moving along then19:36
dtroyer#topic open discussion19:36
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dtroyerThe preliminary schedule for Tokyo is out, we have one fishbowl, one workroom (Wednesday) and a Friday morning meetup slot19:37
stevemarsounds good19:37
dtroyerall subject to change yet19:37
stevemarwe realllllllly need a session on doing 2.0 and the rename19:37
stevemarcan we hack on that on friday :)19:38
stevemaror maybe we should wait til we go to the sdk (whenever that happens)19:38
dtroyerSDK is going to be added as a dependency in a minor rev19:38
dtroyerafter the last couple of weeks I'd personally like to be rid of glanceclient first19:39
dtroyerbut yeah, we'll talk about that process there and hopefully gett he sequence worked out19:39
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dtroyerwe also need to address some significant testing holes19:40
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dtroyeranything else?19:41
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dtroyerwell alrighty then…19:43
dtroyerThanks everyone19:43
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