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| schwicke | #startmeeting hierarchical_multitenancy | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Fri Oct 9 16:01:19 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is schwicke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: hierarchical_multitenancy)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'hierarchical_multitenancy' | 16:01 |
| schwicke | hi, all | 16:01 |
| ericksonsantos | Hi :) | 16:01 |
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| sajeesh | Hi all :-) | 16:01 |
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| iurygregory | Hello | 16:01 |
| schwicke | We have one main topic today | 16:02 |
| raildo | p/ | 16:02 |
| raildo | o/* | 16:02 |
| schwicke | #topic hierarchical quota and overcommitting | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "hierarchical quota and overcommitting (Meeting topic: hierarchical_multitenancy)" | 16:02 | |
| schwicke | not 100% sure how to structure that | 16:02 |
| ericksonsantos | I was away because I was sick, but I've read the discussion about it. | 16:03 |
| schwicke | The current implementation allows this only at the root level, is that correct ? | 16:03 |
| sajeesh | schwicke ...the first question is that , whether to allow it or not ? | 16:03 |
| ericksonsantos | I totally agree with Tim Bell. | 16:03 |
| sajeesh | I mean in Nova | 16:03 |
| raildo | the last time that I talked with johnthetubaguy, we was thinking in create two API calls | 16:04 |
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| raildo | schwicke: yes, on nova and on cinder too | 16:04 |
| sajeesh | ok | 16:05 |
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| schwicke | I also agree that for this first round we should be consistent with what has been implemented for Cinder | 16:05 |
| schwicke | Else this will be confusing to users. | 16:05 |
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| schwicke | in Cinder it is currently not allowed, correct ? | 16:06 |
| sajeesh | I think John was interested in over commit ...Am I right ? | 16:06 |
| raildo | schwicke: kind of... be consistent doesn't mean taht we don't need support overcommit | 16:06 |
| ericksonsantos | schwicke, not for subprojects | 16:06 |
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| sajeesh | what about root project ? | 16:06 |
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| raildo | schwicke: this was the default behavior for the projects before HMT | 16:07 |
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| raildo | today, this works on neutron, cinder, magnum and nova | 16:07 |
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| raildo | so we can do that for every root project | 16:07 |
| sajeesh | Currently , in nova I have coded like that only | 16:07 |
| johnthetubaguy | raildo: hi can I help answer questions on my thoughts here? | 16:08 |
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| raildo | johnthetubaguy: sure | 16:08 |
| sajeesh | Hi John ..we were talking about over commit | 16:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | my basic worry is about us changing the general pattern for quotas | 16:08 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so many/most users overcommit their quota, its just there as a safety net | 16:09 |
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| johnthetubaguy | as a user, I would expect hierarchical quota to be the same idea as the regular quota | 16:09 |
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| raildo | johnthetubaguy: ++ | 16:09 |
| iurygregory | ++ | 16:10 |
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| johnthetubaguy | now I see a use case for not having over-commit, and that should just work, you give people less quota, thats cool | 16:10 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I could see a case where we add extra things to make not allowing over-commit, in different ways, but thats a different feature really | 16:10 |
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| schwicke | For the root projects it makes sense. | 16:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | my take, is by default, I would like us to keep allowing overcommit | 16:11 |
| schwicke | I have some doubts for sub-projects though. | 16:11 |
| sajeesh | schwicke ++ | 16:11 |
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| ericksonsantos | johnthetubaguy, I see... so, I think we have to also support over-commit in Cinder, right? In order to keep consistency. | 16:11 |
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| sajeesh | johnthetubaguy: for subprojects too ? | 16:11 |
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| schwicke | Let's say the resource provider sets some quota on the root project. | 16:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | ericksonsantos: that would be ideal, thats true | 16:12 |
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| ericksonsantos | johnthetubaguy, nice | 16:12 |
| sajeesh | johnthetubaguy++1 | 16:12 |
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| raildo | why not? It's really weird have different behaviours for projects in different levels... | 16:12 |
| schwicke | then he creates some sub-projects and delegates the administration of those | 16:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | sajeesh: so I am talking about subprojects and projects really, I expect them to work the same way | 16:12 |
| raildo | this is bad design | 16:12 |
| sajeesh | johnthetubaguy: ok | 16:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | raildo: so to keep consistency, an openstack spec would be a good thing here | 16:13 |
| sajeesh | ++1 | 16:13 |
| raildo | johnthetubaguy:you mean a cross project spec for every service that ahve quota control? | 16:13 |
| raildo | have* | 16:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah | 16:13 |
| raildo | johnthetubaguy: makes sense... | 16:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | but lets not get ahead of ourselves here | 16:14 |
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| sajeesh | johnthetubaguy: makes sense ++1 | 16:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am just saying thats a good approach to get come consistency | 16:14 |
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| johnthetubaguy | we should probably do that, but anyways, lets get back to overcommit | 16:14 |
| raildo | ok | 16:14 |
| johnthetubaguy | so, there is a bit I don't quite get here, sorry for these dumb questions | 16:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | so we have tenant A as a parent of tenant B and C | 16:15 |
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| schwicke | my worry is that if overcommit is allowed at all levels then the the upper levels loose control over the quota, making them meaningless | 16:15 |
| schwicke | ok | 16:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | so whats the starting position here | 16:15 |
| sajeesh | ok | 16:15 |
| schwicke | let's say A got some quota by the resource provider | 16:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | they all have the default quota? | 16:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | so before that | 16:16 |
| sajeesh | A is will having default quota | 16:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | A, B, C all have the default quota right? | 16:16 |
| raildo | johnthetubaguy: the default quota for subprojects will be zero | 16:16 |
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| sajeesh | B and C will be having zero default quota in the begining | 16:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | so how is a project and a sub project different? | 16:16 |
| johnthetubaguy | that are all just tenants for nova | 16:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I guess the starting point is | 16:17 |
| sajeesh | johnthetubaguy: only root projects are different | 16:17 |
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| ericksonsantos | johnthetubaguy, we get this information in keystone | 16:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | right, so we have to reconfigure nova at this point | 16:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | so nova has a default tenant of zero? | 16:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | oops, default quota of zero? | 16:17 |
| ericksonsantos | johnthetubaguy, yes, just for subprojects | 16:18 |
| sajeesh | johnthetubaguy: except for root projects | 16:18 |
| raildo | johnthetubaguy: hum... got it, we are just setting default quota to zero, because the allocated quota... | 16:18 |
| sajeesh | johnthetubaguy:yes | 16:18 |
| schwicke | for root projects everything is as it is now | 16:18 |
| sajeesh | ++1 | 16:18 |
| schwicke | The difference between sub-projects and is who manages them. | 16:18 |
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| sajeesh | johnthetubaguy: root projects will behave like the projects in DbQuotaDriver | 16:19 |
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| johnthetubaguy | well, thats a change from today I guess, right now everyone just gets the default quota regardless right? | 16:19 |
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| ericksonsantos | johnthetubaguy, yes | 16:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | nova just sees user tokens for a specific tenant | 16:19 |
| sajeesh | yes | 16:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, so the first change is Nova defaults sub tenants quota to zero | 16:20 |
| sajeesh | yes | 16:20 |
| raildo | johnthetubaguy: in this still happen with hierarchical multitenancy, the token is scoped olny for a project | 16:20 |
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| sajeesh | raildo:+1 | 16:20 |
| schwicke | +1 | 16:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | agreed the token is still for a single tenant | 16:21 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I guess thats my issue here in some ways | 16:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | so let me describe what I was expecting I guess... | 16:21 |
| sajeesh | ok | 16:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | everyone gets a default qutoa | 16:21 |
| johnthetubaguy | sub tenant or otherwise | 16:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | actually, thats dumb I guess | 16:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | ... so who creates the sub tenant usuaully? | 16:22 |
| johnthetubaguy | then root tenant? | 16:22 |
| sajeesh | we start from the root tenant | 16:23 |
| schwicke | the owner of a project can create sub-tenants and determine their quota | 16:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | sorry, s/then/the/ | 16:23 |
| johnthetubaguy | schwicke: right makes sense, just getting that straight in my head | 16:23 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so we could default to having no restriction on subtenant, they just consume quota of the parent | 16:24 |
| schwicke | exactly ! | 16:24 |
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| johnthetubaguy | in that world, the subtenant is simply used for scoping resources, etc, and organising, which is cool | 16:24 |
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| schwicke | sometimes it is easier to look at a real live example. | 16:25 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so in my head, that means each subtenant, basically has the same quota as the parent, except its consumes quota from that tenant, because its not a root project | 16:25 |
| raildo | johnthetubaguy: but in the other world, my as a cloud provider want improve his profit by making better use of the cloud resources, doing overcommit below the hierarchy... | 16:26 |
| sajeesh | johnthetubaguy: but we do check that sum of children quota will not exceed parent quota | 16:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | so in this world, I assume the root has an overcommited quota anyways | 16:26 |
| johnthetubaguy | sajeesh: agreed the current code doesn't, I guess I am saying it should | 16:27 |
| raildo | johnthetubaguy: and a cloud provider (or project admin) can be present in a parent project (and not always a root project) | 16:27 |
| sajeesh | johnthetubaguy: in that case yes it is | 16:27 |
| sajeesh | johnthetubaguy:ok got your point | 16:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | so lets back up | 16:27 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I guess I am expecting many root tenants, A and A' just acting like today, get there own default quota | 16:28 |
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| sajeesh | ok | 16:28 |
| vilobhmm_ | hi all | 16:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | then can create sub teants B, C and B' C' that can consume their quota with them | 16:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | thats cool, life is happy | 16:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | in this case, B C just consume quota from A, no checks of their own | 16:29 |
| vilobhmm_ | joining late sorry bt that | 16:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | same B' C' just consume quota of A' no extra checks | 16:29 |
| ericksonsantos | johnthetubaguy, right | 16:29 |
| schwicke | the trick here is that the person who creates A and a' is not the same who creates B and b' | 16:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | schwicke: +1 | 16:29 |
| ericksonsantos | schwicke, +1 | 16:29 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, so we have the setup | 16:29 |
| sajeesh | +1 | 16:29 |
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| johnthetubaguy | that seems the good default here | 16:29 |
| raildo | and we are not considering the quota for user =/ | 16:30 |
| ericksonsantos | johnthetubaguy, that's how we are doing in Cinder | 16:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | so at some point A wants to limit B and C, becuase B just used up all the quota leaving A and C with no quota | 16:30 |
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| johnthetubaguy | seems fine, so A saying B can't use more than 1/4 of my quota, same with C | 16:31 |
| vilobhmm_ | joththetubag : yes https://review.openstack.org/#/c/205369/ this is the implementation for cinder nested quota driver | 16:31 |
| schwicke | correct | 16:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | OK, so the nova spec seems very different to this world | 16:32 |
| sajeesh | yes | 16:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, thats wrong | 16:32 |
| ericksonsantos | johnthetubaguy, so, how do you think it should work in nova? | 16:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | seems like I want what cinder has, for the Nova one, if I am understanding this all correctly | 16:32 |
| ericksonsantos | oh, nice | 16:33 |
| schwicke | the current way of working in nova is included as a sub-case which is when you have only root projects. | 16:33 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so we have per user quota I guess, is this the bit thats causing worries? | 16:34 |
| ericksonsantos | yes, we are not sure about how to handle per user quotas | 16:34 |
| raildo | johnthetubaguy: Do you expect this behaviour in the current DBQuotaDriver, right? in other words, a user doesn't need change any configuration for this works. | 16:34 |
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| johnthetubaguy | raildo: not sure if I understand that question yet | 16:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | ericksonsantos: so just thinking about per user quotas, after reading this: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/per-user-quotas | 16:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | honestly, a user just consumes the project quota | 16:35 |
| johnthetubaguy | it sounds like just another level or hierarcy, for users within the tenant | 16:35 |
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| raildo | johnthetubaguy: we have the dbquotadriver, today right? we can change this drive to include the hierarchy information, as we made on Cinder, or we can create a new driver, and the user should have to change the driver in nova.conf for this works. | 16:36 |
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| johnthetubaguy | similar to just having nested teants, except when you list your servers all users see each others servers in the same tenant | 16:36 |
| ericksonsantos | johnthetubaguy, hm... so, we won't need to change it, right? | 16:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | ericksonsantos: unsure, I suspect the code is not as clean as all that | 16:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | ericksonsantos: but in theory, the behaviour can be the same, logically speaking :) | 16:37 |
| sajeesh | johnthetubaguy: for nested projects in nova , users can be treated like sub projects right ? | 16:37 |
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| ericksonsantos | johnthetubaguy, I see... thanks for clarifying that | 16:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | sajeesh: roughly yes, its the same deal | 16:37 |
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| sajeesh | johnthetubaguy:ok | 16:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | so massive thank you for walking through all that | 16:37 |
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| johnthetubaguy | my head is much clearer on this now | 16:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think we need the spec updating so it does that quite simple walk through | 16:38 |
| raildo | awesome :D | 16:38 |
| schwicke | +1 | 16:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | so there is one other issue here... | 16:38 |
| sajeesh | ok | 16:38 |
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| sajeesh | johnthetubaguy:+1 | 16:38 |
| raildo | actuallyI updated the spec, to be bery closer to the cinder implementation | 16:38 |
| raildo | but we can fix some points | 16:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | the slight issue is that quotas are fairly broken at the moment | 16:39 |
| raildo | to be closer* | 16:39 |
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| johnthetubaguy | they race like crazy, and the fix up logic, is messy, and no one really understands the code enough to fix it | 16:39 |
| ericksonsantos | :( | 16:39 |
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| raildo | johnthetubaguy: we can put this as a next step for us | 16:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | now honestly, thats mostly why its proving hard to get people to review and think about this | 16:39 |
| sajeesh | raildo:++1 | 16:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | we do have a spec up with ideas to totally simplify the system | 16:40 |
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| johnthetubaguy | if I was given a choice, I would say, simplify it, then add the new features into the simpler system | 16:40 |
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| raildo | following that idea to create a cross project spec for nested quota in every service :) | 16:40 |
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| johnthetubaguy | thats me be honest, thats my preference here, fix quotas, then add the nesting | 16:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | there is a horrible idea that just popped into my head.... | 16:41 |
| vilobhmm_ | johnthetubaguy : nested quota just adds a heirarchy structure for quota management… | 16:41 |
| raildo | johnthetubaguy: do you have some opened bugs related to this? | 16:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | so generally, its best to fix something before you extend it, thats all really | 16:42 |
| ericksonsantos | johnthetubaguy, can you send us a link for this spec for us to take a look at? | 16:42 |
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| schwicke | +1 | 16:42 |
| johnthetubaguy | raildo: honestly, there are a few, but its mostly that there are lots of edge cases, and the quotas in production seem to drift out of sync with reality in odd ways | 16:42 |
| raildo | johnthetubaguy: I think that we can goinf fixing some poing when we are adding nested quota... | 16:42 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so the fix here, is a re-write of the concept, thats the issue | 16:42 |
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| johnthetubaguy | let me find the spec for that... | 16:42 |
| sajeesh | ok | 16:43 |
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| johnthetubaguy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182445/2/specs/backlog/quotas-reimagined.rst,cm | 16:43 |
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| schwicke | if the idea is a complete re-design would it not be better to do that from the beginning with support for nesting ? | 16:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | we had a session on the last summit discussing all these quota issues, and that kinda of came out of that | 16:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | schwicke: thats an option yes, I would go for that | 16:44 |
| sajeesh | schwicke++1 | 16:44 |
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| schwicke | what are the time scales for this ? | 16:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | we could have a whole new quota driver, that takes the new approach | 16:44 |
| sajeesh | johnthetubaguy ++1 | 16:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | the current problem, is I have been totally unable to get anyone to work on quotas to fix them up | 16:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | so the timescale is currently towards the "unknown point in the future" rather than next cycle, or the one after | 16:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | we have ideas, but not enough willing folks to work on the fixes right now | 16:45 |
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| raildo | I think that the addition of nested quota in nova in mitaka, will be a great feature | 16:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I like the idea of doing nested from the beginning | 16:45 |
| raildo | and I think that we can start working on this re-design without remove this feature for now | 16:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | as a separate driver, written from scratch | 16:46 |
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| sajeesh | yes | 16:46 |
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| vilobhmm_ | johnthetubag : qq so is fixing quota infrastruture a dependency for making nested quota in nova ? or nested quota for nova can go in mitaka and redesign in future release ? or both the efforts can go in parallel ? | 16:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | so the problem is quotas don't work properly, I really don't like extending the broken thing | 16:47 |
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| johnthetubaguy | now we could add a new thing that supports nesting from the beginning | 16:47 |
| sajeesh | ok | 16:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | as suggested above, but that might be a big tasks | 16:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | so the idea goes like this... | 16:48 |
| sajeesh | yes | 16:48 |
| schwicke | I'm a bit worried about the time lines to implement this. | 16:48 |
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| vilobhmm_ | johnthetubag : thats true..its a huge task | 16:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | have a db table with an entry for every quota "usage" | 16:48 |
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| raildo | and if we think in compatibility with cinder, this will not wappen, since the cinder code is very similar to the nova code | 16:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | use a compare and swap style update | 16:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | so add in the usage, then check if you have gone over, if you have gone over remove the usage | 16:49 |
| raildo | so we might have to re-design quota for other service... and this is a huge risk | 16:49 |
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| johnthetubaguy | simple optimistic concurrency control stuff, basically | 16:49 |
| raildo | happen* | 16:49 |
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| raildo | johnthetubaguy: lol | 16:49 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, "simple" and concurrency in the same sentence, thats just wrong :) | 16:50 |
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| johnthetubaguy | the other idea is one about a cloths/washing line | 16:50 |
| ericksonsantos | haha | 16:50 |
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| johnthetubaguy | basically, in the API layer, you have to pass a quota check, just like a policy check | 16:50 |
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| johnthetubaguy | there is a line in the sand you must pass | 16:50 |
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| johnthetubaguy | the checks ensure you don't have too much quota when you pass that line and consume the quota | 16:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | when you delete the server, you decrement the qutoa (even if the delete fails) | 16:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | i.e. we remove all the rollback complexity | 16:51 |
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| johnthetubaguy | (there is a dance around resize you need, but its the same idea there) | 16:51 |
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| johnthetubaguy | anyways, with all that, in place, we have a really simple system | 16:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | and I think the nested stuff, should be quite easy to add into that system, its just a few more checks in the check phase | 16:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | anyways, that spec tried to describe all that | 16:52 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so... I should shut up now | 16:52 |
| raildo | haha | 16:53 |
| johnthetubaguy | I guess the question is, how do we move forward... | 16:53 |
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| raildo | johnthetubaguy: ++ | 16:53 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think we update that spec, so we match cinder | 16:53 |
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| sajeesh | johnthetubaguy: thanks a lot for joining the meeting | 16:53 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think we probably cut and paste that into the openstack specs repo, so we get cross project alignment | 16:53 |
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| johnthetubaguy | we then spend some time at the summit (in the unconference I think) to look at what the community things is the best approach | 16:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | from our discussion here, sounds like Cinder has a nice simple system for nested, that is basically what we have with users already in nova | 16:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | sounds the same anyways | 16:54 |
| raildo | johnthetubaguy: Do you want that we change this spec, that you sent to match with the cinder, or the spec that we are moving for mitaka? | 16:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | the sticking point is, fix quotas then add features, or add features then fix, I prefer the first one, but I don't have anyone to help with that yet | 16:55 |
| johnthetubaguy | raildo: so I think we rework that moved spec to it matches cinder | 16:55 |
| raildo | johnthetubaguy: ok | 16:55 |
| sajeesh | johnthetubaguy ++1 | 16:55 |
| johnthetubaguy | raildo: that might just be a cut and paste of the cinder spec, with s/cinder/nova s/volumes/servers/ | 16:55 |
| schwicke | my feeling is that there is some sympathy for the approach here | 16:56 |
| raildo | johnthetubaguy: ++ haha | 16:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | schwicke: so I love the feature, I want the feature in Nova, the problem is how we make that happen in a sustainable way | 16:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | so that was super helpful for me, thanks for letting my wreck your meeting here | 16:57 |
| schwicke | sure | 16:57 |
| schwicke | thanks a lot for joining! | 16:58 |
| ericksonsantos | johnthetubaguy, thank you :) | 16:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | does everyone feel like we have a path to move forward? | 16:58 |
| sajeesh | johnthetubaguy: thanks a lot :-) | 16:58 |
| schwicke | I also thing it was very useful | 16:58 |
| raildo | thanks johnthetubaguy :) | 16:58 |
| iurygregory | thanks =) | 16:58 |
| schwicke | time is out | 16:58 |
| sajeesh | johnthetubaguy: sure many things are clear now | 16:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | hey, happy to help, will read the logs before I go through that spec :) | 16:58 |
| vilobhmm_ | thanks ! :) | 16:58 |
| raildo | we have to finish the meeting :( | 16:58 |
| schwicke | yep | 16:58 |
| schwicke | #endmeeting | 16:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Oct 9 16:58:59 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hierarchical_multitenancy/2015/hierarchical_multitenancy.2015-10-09-16.01.html | 16:59 |
| ericksonsantos | thank you all | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hierarchical_multitenancy/2015/hierarchical_multitenancy.2015-10-09-16.01.txt | 16:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hierarchical_multitenancy/2015/hierarchical_multitenancy.2015-10-09-16.01.log.html | 16:59 |
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| sajeesh | ok...schwicke shall we meet now at skpe | 16:59 |
| schwicke | See you all and have a good weekend! | 16:59 |
| schwicke | yes | 16:59 |
| sajeesh | skype | 16:59 |
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