Thursday, 2015-10-08

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thinrichsHi all.  Time for the Congress meeting.00:01
shelleea007hello all00:01
thinrichs#startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting00:01
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su_zhanghello all00:02
su_zhangit has been another week. time flies00:02
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thinrichsOn my agenda today…00:03
thinrichs1. liberty00:03
thinrichs2. kilo00:03
thinrichs3. devstack for m100:03
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thinrichs4. stable maintenance team00:03
thinrichs5. status: distributed arch and python300:03
thinrichsAnything to add?00:04
thinrichsIf you think of anything, let me know.00:04
masahitonothing from me.00:04
thinrichs#topic Liberty00:04
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thinrichsI did another round of manual testing this week and found a few bugs.00:05
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thinrichsI decided the one with devstack we could reasonably just ignore and include a warning in the release notes.00:06
thinrichsThe other 3 we have volunteers for.00:06
thinrichsAnusha, Eric: want to give status updates on those?00:06
raminenithinrichs: yesterday, was trying to reproduce the issue, but didnt get the same error on my env00:08
ekcsyea. I commited my fix to the murano issue just now.00:08
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ekcswaiting jenkins to verify.00:08
thinrichsekcs: great!  I'll take a look in the morning.  If anyone else can look at it tonight, that'd be great.00:08
raminenithinrichs: but facing some other issue, will be working on it today00:08
thinrichsHere's the link to ekcs's patch for master:00:09
thinrichsThat reminds me,,,00:10
raminenithinrichs: will try to resolve by today00:10
thinrichs if you're using devstack, make sure to checkout the stable/liberty congress and murano branches.00:10
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thinrichsNeither Congress nor Murano seem to check out the proper branches...00:10
thinrichsunless you do it manually or include CONGRESS_BRANCH in your localrc00:11
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thinrichsramineni: do you need anything from us?00:11
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thinrichsBTW I have a fix for one of the bugs too.  So if people could review, that'd be good.00:12
raminenithinrichs: no as of now, will ping you guys for any help , thanks :)00:12
thinrichsTurns out the problem doesn't exist on master, but does exist on stable/liberty.00:12
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thinrichsI tried to track down the commit we missed backporting to liberty, but it seemed to be spread across a couple of (larger) commits.00:13
thinrichsramineni: sounds good.00:13
raminenithinrichs: looks like this one on master right00:14
thinrichsramineni: thanks!  I cherry-picked it to stable/liberty.00:14
thinrichsOnly downside is it doesn't include the unit test to catch the problem.00:15
thinrichsWe can decide offline what to do.00:15
raminenithinrichs: sure, np, but tests are part of larger commit00:15
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raminenithinrichs: ya,ok00:15
thinrichsNext week we officially release Liberty00:15
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thinrichsI'm hoping to get our final release candidate done this week and just do the release management stuff (bugs, blueprints, uploading code) next week.00:16
thinrichsQuestions on liberty?00:16
su_zhangsorry I promised to do the tempest test. However, this week is crazy busy for me. If there is still remaining tasks, I will try my best to get it done soon.00:16
thinrichssu_zhang: you were looking into the kilo release, which is older.00:17
raminenithinrichs: so, bugs shuld be fixed max by tomorrow?00:17
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raminenithinrichs: taregted for rc200:17
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thinrichsramineni: end of week at the latest.  I don't plan to do another whole round of manual testing.00:17
thinrichsJust some spot checking.00:18
raminenithinrichs: ok00:18
thinrichssu_zhang: we don't have the time pressure for kilo like we do for liberty00:18
thinrichsSpeaking of which…new topic00:18
su_zhanggot u. thanks00:18
thinrichs#topic stable maintenance team00:19
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su_zhangI added security group management policies into congress use case doc00:19
thinrichsIn many openstack projects there are a few people who are responsible for stable branches.00:19
thinrichsI'm just learning about this myself, but here's the doc I found.00:19
su_zhangif anyone could review it and give some comments, it will be great00:19
su_zhangthanks for sharing00:19
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thinrichssu_zhang: Thanks.  Let's all try to take a look and give feedback on the ML00:20
su_zhangcool, thanks00:20
su_zhangI will send its link through ML if needed00:21
ekcssorry what’s ML?00:21
su_zhangmailing list00:21
ekcsoh ok00:21
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thinrichsNow that we have a couple of stable branches, it'd be good if we had a person or two for the stable maintenance team.00:22
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thinrichsSo take some time to look over that doc and the responsibilities and let me know if you're interested.00:22
thinrichsNext up is the summit.00:22
thinrichs#topic Tokyo summit00:23
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thinrichsalexsyip_: how's the HOL?  Get any feedback on your latest version?00:23
alexsyip_it’s basically done.00:23
alexsyip_ekcs ran through it and found two typos.00:23
masahitoI used alexsyip_'s VM with others and it works well.00:24
thinrichsThat's great news!00:24
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thinrichsAre we planning to use the same slides as last year for an introduction?00:25
thinrichsOr perhaps that's up to me since I'm giving the intro.00:25
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alexsyip_You’re welcome to use the old slides.00:26
thinrichsBesides the VM and the slides, the other important thing is to have volunteers.00:26
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thinrichsThe volunteers show up for the lab and walk around the room helping people get it running and answering questions.00:26
thinrichsAny volunteers?00:26
ekcsI’ll be there.00:27
masahitoI'll do it.00:27
pballandI’ll be there00:27
thinrichsThe more the merrier, so just show up the day-of if you feel like it.00:28
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thinrichsAnything else for the summit to discuss?00:29
thinrichsOh—I was thinking about having a Congress dinner some night.00:29
thinrichsIs anyone interested?00:29
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masahitosounds interested.00:29
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raminenisounds good00:30
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thinrichsI am thinking Wed night00:30
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thinrichsI'll ask again a bit closer to the summit, so we know when all the parties are.00:31
thinrichs#topic devstack00:32
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thinrichsJust found out that we're going to need to build a devstack plugin before the first milestone of M00:32
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thinrichsIf we don't, our tempest tests won't run in gate, and Congress won't work with devstack.00:33
thinrichsCurrently we do a copy-paste to integrate with devstack00:33
thinrichsThat will no longer work at M100:33
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thinrichsAnyone want to build a devstack plugin?00:34
raminenithinrichs: i can take it up, if no one wrkng on it00:34
thinrichsramineni: Great!00:34
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thinrichsramineni: maybe create a blueprint for it too00:34
raminenithinrichs: sure00:34
thinrichs#topic Python300:35
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thinrichsWhat's our status looking into antlr3 for Python3 compatibility?00:35
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raminenithinrichs: ,00:36
raminenithinrichs: it says python3 compatible00:36
raminenithinrichs: dont we use this?00:36
thinrichsramineni: there were a couple of options we discussed…00:37
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thinrichsmoving to antlr400:38
thinrichspulling antlr out of the trunk (since we're checking in the generated code anyway)00:38
thinrichsThis seems like a 3rd option.00:38
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thinrichsIt would be nice to pull antlr out of the trunk00:38
thinrichsBut someone was supposed to look into these options, I thought.00:39
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thinrichsNevermind—no one volunteered to look into pulling antlr3 out.  We just talked about it.00:41
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thinrichsMaybe I'll take a look once we get out from under the liberty deadline.00:41
thinrichs#topic Status updates00:41
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thinrichsWe finally have some time to do status updates this week.00:42
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thinrichsWho's been making some progress they want to share?00:42
thinrichsAnd to get feedback from the group?00:42
alexsyip_I’ve been working on synchronizing rules and policies, but it’s not ready for review yet.00:43
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alexsyip_I have a change on gerrit for a startup script that is awaiting review.00:44
thinrichsalexsyip_: So in the new distributed arch, that addresses the problem of synchronizing multiple instances of the policy engine running on different machines but sharing the database.  Right?00:44
alexsyip_that’s right.00:44
su_zhangOne thing I want to mention is that update frequency should be configurable. Right now it is hardcoded in as 1 second. This can be a DOS attack for certain environments00:45
su_zhangI could not find it is configurable in congress.conf00:45
pballandI’ve been refactoring the DseNode code to have a separate test suite, using the oslo.messaging fake driver - it’s not yet working, so nothing to share yet00:45
alexsyip_The synchronizer runs on a configurable interval.00:45
alexsyip_There is a “poll_time” configuration value in the config file.00:46
su_zhangokay, I will look into it. Thanks00:46
ekcshere are some documentation fixes that help users avoid some of the errors I ran into while following stand-alone congress install instructions. Be great if someone can review. Hoping to get it in liberty release.00:46
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raminenithinrichs: working on rpcfying row model api blueprint, almost done with code, will put up for review by next week00:47
thinrichsekcs: I'll make a pass through review tomorrow morning00:47
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thinrichsEveryone should take another look at alexsyip_'s script.  Several people have commented already, and he's provided a new patchset in response.00:48
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masahitothinrichs: got it.00:48
thinrichspballand: It's great we're still making progress on the DSENode.  It's crucial to the new arch.  Let us know if you need anything.00:48
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thinrichsramineni: great!  Having the API working seemingly over RPC puts us in a good spot to pull pballand's changes in.00:49
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thinrichsjwy: have you heard from Yali?00:52
thinrichsThat change for the new UI is still sitting in review.00:52
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thinrichs#topic open discussion00:52
jwythinrichs: not for a while. she said she'd update it soon, not sure what happened with that00:52
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thinrichsjwy: mind pinging her?  I think she wanted to touch base in Tokyo.00:53
jwysure. the last i spoke with her, she also said that she wouldn't be able to attend the summit00:53
thinrichsmaybe I'm confused then00:53
thinrichsAnything else to discuss, anyone?00:54
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thinrichsekcs: what's up?00:55
ekcsactually nvm.00:55
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raminenithinrichs: one question on heat polling issue, once enabling heat driver, that issue sees during polling ,00:55
raminenithinrichs: or any other config to be done?00:56
thinrichsI just created the Heat datasource and then created a deployment, I think.00:56
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thinrichsOne minute.00:56
raminenithinrichs: ok, i didnt do deployment , will try that00:57
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thinrichsHere's the command I think I used.00:58
thinrichsheat deployment-create -s 37990ba3-b816-441c-bdb6-86c2170b0bd1 doug00:58
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thinrichsThe UUID is for a server.00:58
thinrichsSo you may need to create a server first.00:58
raminenithinrichs: stack right00:58
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raminenii mean stack-create?00:59
thinrichsTo create a server, something like...00:59
thinrichsnova boot beta --flavor=m1.tiny --image=cirros-0.3.4-x86_64-uec00:59
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thinrichsI think I did a 'deployment', not a 'stack'.00:59
thinrichsWe should probably do both00:59
raminenithinrichs: oh, ok00:59
thinrichsI think our driver tries to pull both of them in.00:59
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thinrichsOut of time.00:59
thinrichsThanks all!01:00
raminenithinrichs: thanks, will try that01:00
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gordc#startmeeting ceilometer15:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Oct  8 15:00:26 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is gordc. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ceilometer)"15:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'ceilometer'15:00
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ildikovsileht: snap ;)15:01
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gordclet's go15:03
gordc#topic liberty release15:03
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gordcjust a heads up, we tagged rc2 earlier this week15:03
gordcit'll be our liberty release unless we find some huge blocker in next week or so15:04
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gordcnow that we have that done, we need to document changes15:04
gordci've started here:
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gordcif you have time, take a look and add items you think are important ie. gnocchi/aodh changes15:05
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gordci'm pretty much just running through the blueprints we've completed and also the deprecated items15:05
ildikovgordc: cool :)15:06
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llu-laptopcool +115:06
gordcnow for discussion15:06
eglynnmaybe drop the "improved" in "improved metadata caching"?15:06
ityaptinHi all!15:06
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eglynn(since I don't think we did any caching previously)15:06
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gordceglynn: sure. (i probably just copied it from bp()15:07
eglynncool yeah, got it15:08
eglynn"declarative meters" covers both SNMP and notifications I guess15:08
gordcyeah, i'll add snmp explicitly15:09
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llu-laptopis PowerVM hypervisor support in another repo? Should we put in the ceilometer main feature list?15:09
eglynnpollsters-no-transform worth a mention too?15:09
eglynn(or more like foundational work for the mitaka agent split out?)15:10
gordceglynn: yeah, i should add i didn't finish running through all the specs15:10
gordcllu-laptop: i think so. we did the same when we added hyper-v/vsphere15:10
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llu-laptopSo maybe we should put it clear that powerVM in another repo, like independant plugin?15:12
gordcllu-laptop: i should also mention i added a section in Ceilometer wiki to point out any 'extensions' of ceilometer15:12
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cdentthat was a good idea15:12
llu-laptopgordc: nice15:12
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gordccdent: we aren't allowed to put it officially in if it's not in bigtent so i put it there.15:12
gordci don't know if there's a better place. feel free to move it accordingly15:13
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ildikovgordc: +1, we can refer to the wiki from OS Manuals I think15:13
gordcildikov: sounds good.15:13
llu-laptopforgive my ignorance, what's the relationship between ceilometer and cloudkitty15:13
gordcllu-laptop: from what i know, they take ceilometer metrics and attach rating/billing rules to it.15:14
llu-laptopgordc: got that, thx15:14
gordcit's specifically to create billing reports i think.15:14
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gordci guess we can move on to discussing summit15:16
gordc#topic design summit planning15:16
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gordci didn't actually close submissions as originally planned on Monday15:17
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gordcbut that's a list of items we have so far... it pretty much matches the number of slots we have at summit (maybe a few extra)15:17
gordcconsidering there's a pretty clean match, i don't know if we really need to vote on anything15:17
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gordcwe might want to discuss what items we want as fishbowls15:18
eglynna proposer seems to be missing from some of the proposals15:18
ildikovgordc: do you think the Aodh one would cover the possible Monasca joint session?15:18
gordceglynn: yeah, i copied them from etherpad. i don't know who proposed them15:18
eglynna-ha, k15:18
gordcildikov: have you heard from them?15:19
gordcwe can slot it in that session15:19
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gordcif we do, maybe it makes sense to have that as a fishbowl.15:19
ildikovgordc: just a few mails with it would be good15:19
ildikovgordc: let's try to use that session15:19
eglynnmonasca didn't get their own track, right?15:19
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gordceglynn: no. they are going to be re-evaluted by tc in a few weeks15:20
eglynna-ha, k15:20
gordcildikov: sure. let's target that as a fishbowl session. if anything we can hash out alarming items as is.15:21
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nadyaeglynn: interesting Monasca session:
ildikovgordc: cool, sounds good to me, thanks15:21
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gordcnadya: cool15:22
eglynnnadya: indeed interesting ... I think they 3 conference talks in total15:22
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gordcdid anyone have any other topics to add to google docs?15:23
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gordci'm thinking since we have roughly same amount of slots and topics...15:23
nadyagordc: maybe event-based transformers15:24
cdentgordc: just to say that many of those topics originated with me but I don't think I can "own" all of them15:24
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gordcwe just put a theme to each slot and have the topic as the main item of theeme15:24
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gordccdent: maybe we don't need an 'owner' for working room15:25
gordcjust a bunch of discussino items15:25
nadyagordc: I will ask Igor to care about it. When document is closed for editing?15:25
gordcnadya: i think i already add event transformers15:25
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gordcnadya: you can add his name as 'owner' if you'd like15:26
nadyagordc: transforming events?15:26
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gordcnadya: yeah, that one15:26
nadyagordc: ok, cool15:26
ildikovnadya: it's there, I saw it too :)15:26
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nadyayep, thanks!:)15:27
gordcso we have two fishbowls. any ideas on what are the biggest topics?15:27
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gordcUI could be a fishbowl if we sync in horizon.15:28
eglynnyeah, sounds like we'll horizon input into that15:28
gordcjust a teaser, the survey, a lot of comments were saying ceilometer in horizon is unusable. so ceilometer is unusable.15:28
pradkthat could be interesting15:28
eglynnwas that "horizon integration" proposal from the ceilo or horizon team?15:28
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gordceglynn: cdent i think... or some by product of os-ceilometer ramblings15:29
eglynna-ha, k15:29
cdentIt was a recording of ramblings15:29
gordci'll probably need to reach out to horizon to discuss if they can come.15:29
gordcthere was also another UI project that jd__ and i were added to... i forget it though15:29
eglynnyeah, that would be good ... IIRC lsmola did a lot of that work originally15:29
cdentas in: people were talking about this, it seemed like it mattered, better write it down so it comes up again15:29
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gordcdavid-lyle: would you be interested in a ceilomter/horizon session?15:30
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gordcdavid-lyle: cool!15:30
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david-lyleI fully agree that the ceilometer view in Horizon is poor15:30
jd__gordc: ah yeah, but I received a mail from LP that the project has been deleted15:30
jd__gordc: so I guess the guy rage quit early15:31
gordcdavid-lyle: i'll sync up with you to see if we can find a slot that works for both teams.15:31
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david-lylegordc: +115:31
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gordcjd__: lol15:31
gordcthat's pretty quick.15:31
jd__let's integrate Gnocchi with Horizon, problem solved?15:31
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jd__then Aodh, second problem solved15:31
gordcdavid-lyle: awesome. thanks for the quick feedback.15:31
david-lylegordc: no problem15:31
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eglynnyep, lsmola is not travelling to Tokyo AFAICS15:32
gordcjd__: yeah we can discuss how to/not to properly integrate ceilometer/gnocchi/aodh15:32
eglynnsounds like a good candidate for fishbowl15:32
gordcso alarms/monasca and UI/horizon as fishbowl topics? any other candidates?15:33
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cdentgordc: is there an ops feedback session planned? that would be fish15:34
eglynnthat was seperate on the ops track in YVR?15:34
gordccdent: good question15:34
gordccdent: i haven't heard back from product wg when they asked if we wanted one originally15:34
pradkyea indeed, i think i added it to etherpad15:34
gordclet me follow up on that.15:34
eglynn(i.e. we didn't need to burn a ceilo session on it in YVR IIRC)15:35
pradkops track might already have something we can participate?15:35
gordcdo we want to burn a slot for this if there isn't an official one? i'd think it' probably be a fishbowl if we did .15:35
gordcpradk: i need to confirm that.15:35
gordc#action check with product wg to see if there's a ceilometer ops session15:36
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eglynngordc: yep, would be a fishbowl if not already on the operator track15:36
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* jd__ put his name in the gdoc15:37
gordcalso need to sync with ops to see if they'll actually come (don't usually get much responses from my messages)15:37
gordcalternatively, we can use contributors meetup to discuss replies from survey (if we don't do ops meetup)15:39
llu-laptopyeah, we need to discuss the survey replies15:39
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eglynngordc: contrib meetup is morning only? (i.e. not full day on the Friday)15:40
gordceglynn: yeah. i asked for half... i feel like everyone was burnt out last time (although it is a shorter summit this time)15:40
eglynnif so, yeah that could work for the ops discusion15:40
gordceglynn: cool cool15:40
eglynnyeah, exactly my thought ... I wouldn't schedule the ops discussion for the last afternoon when everyone turns zombie :)15:41
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gordceglynn: cool. done.15:42
gordcso i think we have our two fishbowls and contributors meetup.15:42
eglynncoolness, sounds like a plan :)15:43
gordci'll just push themes/topics to the working rooms.15:43
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gordcfeel free to put what topics you're interested in and i'll assign ordering accordingly.15:43
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gordconce i have that done, you can tell me what needs to be changed or what conflicts.15:44
gordcsound good?15:44
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ildikovgordc: +115:45
gordc#action gordc set working room slots and announce proposals.15:46
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gordc#action gordc sync with david-lyle to see what fishbowl slot works.15:46
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gordc#topic ceilometer mentoring15:46
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gordcthis is just to followup i guess.15:46
gordcjd__: i put your name and mine as mentors15:47
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gordci was thinking having gnocchi dynamic resource creation as potential work item?15:47
jd__would be cool, I guess it depends on the level of the mentee15:47
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gordcmaybe we can have one medium and one hard option? i don't know where ^ falls in... medium?15:48
jd__for know since we don't even know how to do it… not sure I can qualify it15:48
jd__but I've other things that could be 'medium'15:48
gordcjd__: ok.. cool cool.15:48
gordcthere's actually a lot of names for 'ceilometer' so i don't know how exactly that works15:49
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gordcmaybe we can create a test and pick smartest ;)15:49
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eglynnthis is OPW amiright?15:50
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eglynn(or Outreachy now, I guess)15:51
gordceglynn: yep. 'outreachy' i guess they rebranded15:51
ildikoveglynn: yeap15:51
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gordcjd__: kk. i'll send you an email and we can maybe come up with list of 2-3 potentials items15:52
* jd__ nods15:52
gordc#topic open dicussion15:52
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* cdent is kidding15:53
cdentbut there is a bowling alley in my hotel15:53
gibiI have a spec up in nova to make the nova notification api versioned
gordcthere's bowling in tokyo?15:53
gibiAs ceilometer is one of the biggest notification consumer I guess you might be interested15:53
gordcgibi: cool. thanks for headsup.15:53
gordcgibi: is this related/unrelated to versionedobjects?15:54
gibiit is based on versionedojects15:54
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gordccan you explain to me half-joking another time.15:54
ildikovgibi: +1, versioned notifications make the world a better place15:54
gibigordc: check the spec it has nice examples ;)15:55
gordcgibi: there's i believe a cross-project item on this as well15:55
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gordcsomething from heat (but user facing events specifically)15:55
gibigordc: do you have a reference?15:55
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gibigordc: I only found old etherpad and mailing list discussion from the past15:55
gibigordc: thanks!15:56
gordci think it's specifically for user facing messages but it'd be nice if there was consistency on related attrs regardless15:56
gibigordc: totally agree15:56
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gordcgibi: is your spec targeting M* or N*? or O*?15:57
gibiI will check that spec15:57
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ildikovgordc: I guess that's a follow up on what was started in YVR15:57
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gibigordc: currently targeting M*15:57
eglynn ... so targeting M*15:57
ildikovgordc: we definitely have agreement on this point regardless15:57
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gordcgibi: eglynn: cool cool15:57
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gordcwe'll keep an eye on it.15:58
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gibigreat, thanks. That was all from me. :)15:59
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eglynno.vo for the win! :)15:59
ildikoveglynn: lol :)15:59
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* gordc won't lie, i still don't understand how it works from db pov.16:00
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gordcspecfically this
gordcdarn out of time16:00
gordcthanks everyone16:00
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sridhar_ram#topic Roll Call16:01
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sridhar_ramwho is here for tacker mtg ?16:01
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sridhar_ramgud' morning co-horts!16:02
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sridhar_ramlets start then..16:02
sridhar_ram#topic Agenda16:02
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sridhar_ram#topic Announcements16:02
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sridhar_ramA doodle poll is up for Mitaka summit developer meetup time slot..16:03
sridhar_ramPlease pick a slot that you can make it .. hint: there is no main conference events on Friday :)16:04
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sridhar_ramnothing else from my side ..16:05
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sridhar_ramany general heads up from anyone ?16:05
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sripriyasridhar_ram: do you want to update on the gate jobs enabled?16:05
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sridhar_ramsripriya: sure16:06
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Rajkumar_Hi Everyone16:06
sripriyasridhar_ram: probably also let us know which is voting and non voting...?16:06
sridhar_ramfolks - we now have many gate tests enabled for tacker repo - the check pipeline (when you upload a patchset) now runs pep8, py27 (unit tests) and dsvm-functional16:07
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sridhar_ramRajkumar_: hi!16:07
sridhar_ramdsvm-functional  - will bring up a full functional devstack and run 'tox -e functional' which creates vnfd templates and starts vnfs ..16:08
Rajkumar_Just curious - Our tacker is on Liberty release?16:08
sridhar_ramRajkumar_: lets touch on that in a bit16:08
Rajkumar_Sure. Thanks Sridhar..16:08
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sridhar_ramwhenever you upload a patchset make sure jenkins posts SUCCESS for all these three test runs (pep8, py27, dsvm-functional)16:09
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sridhar_ramdsvm-functional - is currently marked as non-voting - meaning it won't block us from merging. Cores can decide to give exceptions to merge a patchset even if dsvm-functional reports FAILURE (case-by-case)16:10
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sridhar_ramonce we get confidence, we will switch even that to voting ...16:11
sridhar_ramany questions on this ?16:11
sridhar_ramthis is actually a big deal, we were hoping to get these for a long time... thanks sripriya (for py27) and santosh (for functional) !16:12
sripriyasridhar_ram: thanks for the update!16:12
sridhar_ram#topic Liberty Release Status16:12
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sridhar_ramRajkumar_: we are waiting for health-mon patchset and few critical bugs to fix before we can pull a stable/liberty16:13
sridhar_ramthe plan is do a release by end of next week.. at least pull the release branch16:14
Rajkumar_Ok Sridhar.16:14
sridhar_ramwe still haven't decided on posting the tarballs in pypi16:14
Rajkumar_I could not see anything about tacker in the liberty release note16:15
Rajkumar_that was the reason asked about it16:15
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sridhar_ramRajkumar_: no, given we are not in governance tent we won't be listed there anyway..16:15
shrinathsureshHello Sridhar and team16:15
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Rajkumar_ok. Do we have any release notes for tacker?16:16
sridhar_ramI'm anticipating after pulling stable/liberty we will still make dot releases ... for stability and other cross-project needs (like OPNFV-SFC needs Tacker-SFC in liberty)16:16
Rajkumar_Hi Shrinath16:16
sridhar_ramshrinathsuresh: hi there16:16
sridhar_ramRajkumar_: no, but that's a good point..16:17
sridhar_ramanyone here know the process to write a release notes for openstack projects ?16:17
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sripriyasridhar_ram: can we link the tar files of the 3 projects on tacker launchpad page?16:18
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Rajkumar_Sridhar - we're not sure. but we can help if assistance is provided.16:18
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sridhar_ramsripriya: I need to find that out .. will take an AI16:18
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sridhar_rammeanwhile I would nominate the doc sub-team - sripriya & tbh  - to help out here :)16:19
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sridhar_ram#action - sridhar_ram to follow up with infra how to post tacker release tarballs16:20
Rajkumar_Sridhar - Please share us the details in mail and our team will help on release notes.16:20
sridhar_ramRajkumar_: sure16:21
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sridhar_ramRajkumar_: we are still looking for functional tests on parameterization from your side.. it will be great to get that in before stable/liberty pull (next week)16:22
sripriyasridhar_ram: ack, doc sub-team hopefully grows :-)16:22
shrinathsureshyes Sridhar. am working on it. will send few test cases tomorrow16:22
Rajkumar_Sure Sridhar. I'll update it shortly16:22
sridhar_ramsripriya: I'll help as much I can :)16:22
sridhar_ramshrinathsuresh: Rajkumar_: thanks!16:23
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sridhar_ramanything else related Liberty Release ?16:23
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sridhar_ram#topic API Deprecation16:24
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sridhar_ramfolks here will know we still have the old servicevm based APIs (and in turn CLI cmds) for "device" and "device-template"16:25
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sridhar_ramthey have now been superceded by new MANO contructs like "vnf" and "vnfd"16:25
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sridhar_ramit is time to start the deprecation process...16:25
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sridhar_ramhad a discussion with folks from unitedstack (in our #tacker channel) and they are open to switch over to the new MANO apis16:26
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sridhar_ramI propose we start deprecation process in liberty - by adding the warning headers in API and CLI in liberty - and remove these API in mitaka16:27
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sridhar_ramanyone have concerns removing it or removing it starting Mitaka cycle ?16:28
sripriyasridhar_ram: does that mean we deprecate the servicevm standards from the API layer only or should it be deprecated in servicevm references too in the entire project?16:28
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sridhar_ramsripriya: first order of business to remove it from our external interfaces - API layer16:28
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sridhar_ramthe rest is more a clean up and tech debt cleanups - IMO16:29
sridhar_ramwhat do you think?16:29
sripriyasridhar_ram: sounds good, that affects tacker and python-tackerclient projects16:29
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sridhar_ramsripriya: agree, it need to removed from both these projects16:30
sridhar_ramI'll also send a note on this to the ML16:30
sripriyasridhar_ram: we still have the db layer untouched then16:30
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sridhar_ramsripriya: we can be opportunistic there .. if we can rename our db schema away from "device*" tables we can still do it16:31
sridhar_rambut it is not a must for deprecation to complete16:31
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sripriyasridhar_ram: should be doable, but again it would require db-migration after deprecation on master16:32
sridhar_ramsripriya: true, I'd rather do it sooner than later before more tacker adoption w/ real operators16:33
sripriyasridhar_ram: agree16:33
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sridhar_ramlets move to bugs (the topic of the week!)16:33
sridhar_ram#topic Bugs16:33
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sridhar_ramas called out last week ... we need some serious bug squashing...16:34
sridhar_ramI've marked some of the critical ones using the tag "liberty-critical" ..16:35
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sridhar_ramthere are bunch of them related to health-monitoring and VNF states / cleanup on deletion16:36
sridhar_ramlets discuss few of them here...16:37
openstackLaunchpad bug 1503480 in tacker "Deletion of vnf having issues when doing in between Active-->Dead State" [Critical,New]16:37
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sridhar_rambobh: tbh: this seems to happen with monitoring code16:37
sridhar_ramafter a successful respawn .. looks deletion is getting stuck in pending_delete16:38
bobhsridhar_ram: I tried to reproduce but could not16:38
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bobhsridhar_ram: if the delete is happening while the respawn is in progress that may cause the problem16:38
bobhsridhar_ram: we might need to have a way to 'lock' the status during the respawn and not allow the delete until it completes16:38
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bobhsridhar_ram: new state :-)16:39
sridhar_rambobh: make sense, mark it device busy16:39
sridhar_rambobh: nooooo - no  new state allowed !16:39
bobhsridhar_ram: :-)16:39
bobhsridhar_ram: I'll take a look at it16:40
sridhar_rambobh: just ask the operator to come back later after a coffee!16:40
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sridhar_rambobh: cool, thanks!16:40
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openstackLaunchpad bug 1501079 in tacker "tacker mgmt-driver support in vnf-create flow" [Medium,New] - Assigned to bharaththiruveedula (bharath-ves)16:41
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sridhar_ramtbh: who have any further questions on this ?16:41
tbhsridhar_ram: Iwant to test with vnf descriptors16:42
tbhsridhar_ram: I tried to look at the problem in vnf create, in config_device method, it is unable to get config params16:42
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tbhsridhar_ram: so, if we correct that, I think we can solve that issue16:43
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sridhar_ramtbh: yeah, there might be two part problem here .. vnf-config correctly carried over from CLI / horizon to the backend16:44
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sridhar_ram(2) the backend .. shd wait for ... boot_wait and try to invoke the configured mgmt driver16:45
tbhsridhar_ram: I tried with hrizon, I can see the config params reaching the backend16:45
sridhar_ramtbh: I don't think horizon has that support yet..16:46
Rajkumar_Sridhar - I've few critical requirements. This is very much needed and learnt from our experience 1) Consolidated Physical & Virtual Network inventory  (Standard reconciliation is needed if not consolidated) 2) Interoperability of Tacker Orchestrator across different versions of cloud (hybrid cloud also if possible)  3) Workflow management & dynamic policy management (Convergence workflow & Jboss Drools if possible)  4)16:46
Rajkumar_we'll discuss it in next topic16:47
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tbhsridhar_ram: config params from yaml is passed to create_vnf16:47
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tbhsridhar_ram: and config_device is waiting for 30 sec
sridhar_rambobh: btw, I'm realizing the boot_wait ... monitoring delay .. needs to apply for other things as well like mgmt_driver16:47
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s3wongRajkumar_: great. User requirements.16:47
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Rajkumar_without those functionalities zero touch NFV orchestration is tedious16:48
s3wongRajkumar_: "different versions of cloud"? You mean supporting something other than OpenStack?16:49
sripriyatbh: config and params are 2 different attributes supported from cli16:49
bobhsridhar_ram: agree - there may be a need to monitor different things and trigger config after one of them16:49
sripriyatbh: horizon only supports param attribute support16:49
Rajkumar_initially within openstack (juno,kilo, liberty) and later like AWS..etc16:49
sridhar_ramtbh: sripriya has some insights into these code flows .. perhaps you can sync up to make some progress16:49
sridhar_ramRajkumar_: s3wong: folks - hang in there.. lets have one mtg please16:50
sripriyatbh: we can discuss it on tacker IRC after the meeting16:50
tbhsripriya: okay using --config ?16:50
sripriyatbh: yes16:50
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tbhsripriya: sridhar_ram sure16:50
Rajkumar_Sure Sridhar..16:50
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sridhar_ramany other high priority bug  ?16:50
s3wong10 minutes left16:50
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sridhar_ramlooks for folks to flag critical / high priority if you see them!16:51
bobhsridhar_ram: may be some global issues with delete16:51
sridhar_rambobh: good point.. there is a nasty one there16:51
* sridhar_ram looking up...16:51
sridhar_ramhere it is ...16:52
openstackLaunchpad bug 1475798 in tacker "Deleting a VNF in PENDING_CREATE state does not delete the associated VM" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to vishwanath jayaraman (vishwanathj)16:52
sridhar_ramvishwana_: are you actively working on this ?16:52
bobhsridhar_ram: definitely related16:52
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bobhsridhar_ram: vishwana_  there is no validation done when executing delete, and different things need to happen based on the current state16:53
sridhar_rambobh: yeah.. needs some locks here!16:53
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sridhar_ramalright .. lets get the floor back to Rajkumar_ & s3wong!16:54
sridhar_ram#topic Open Discussion16:54
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s3wongRajkumar_ put up some user requirements about 5 minutes ago16:54
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Rajkumar_1) Consolidated Physical & Virtual Network inventory  (Standard reconciliation is needed if not consolidated)16:55
sridhar_ramRajkumar_: s3wong: agree, quite useful list there!16:55
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Rajkumar_Inventory is big issue in our experience16:55
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sridhar_ramRajkumar_: there are good inputs.. lets put this in the Mitaka roadmap discussion and talk it out...16:56
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sridhar_ramRajkumar_: any one from Comcast going to attend Tacker meetups in Tokyo ?16:56
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Rajkumar_Sridhar - Do you want us to schedule meeting for those requirement?16:56
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Rajkumar_Sridhar - Let me check with my team and update you in mail if any of us coming there16:57
sridhar_ramRajkumar_: I'm wondering if anyone from your team going to Mitaka summit ..16:57
sridhar_ramwe plan to discuss many of these face 2 face16:57
Rajkumar_when is this happening and venue?16:57
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s3wongOct. 27th, Tokyo16:57
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Rajkumar_Sure. We'll update it shortly16:58
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s3wongOur informal design session will be on Friday?16:58
Rajkumar_if meeting is needed, I can send out invite for those req?16:58
s3wongRajkumar_: sure... I think it is fair to say we need more detail on the requirements16:58
sridhar_rams3wong: doodle poll is out (discussed earlier in the mtg)...16:59
sridhar_ramRajkumar_: can you stick in these requirements to Mitaka etherpad..16:59
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Rajkumar_I'm doing it17:00
sridhar_ramtimes up...17:00
sridhar_ramtty all next week!17:00
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mtreinishok, without the typo this time17:01
mtreinishwho's here for today's meeting17:01
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mtreinishman, you guys are faster than me :)17:01
mtreinish^^^ Today's agenda17:01
mtreinishsdague, dtroyer: around?17:02
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mtreinishwell, let's get started17:03
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mtreinish#topic Mitaka Summit Prep17:03
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mtreinishjust a reminder to add topics to the brainstorming etherpad17:03
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mtreinishwe've got 8 slots and 9 proposals so if you add one your odds are pretty good :)17:04
cdentthat list reminds me of a question: is the health dashboard running somewhere for public consumption somewhere?17:04
mtreinishI think we'll have to do the deciding soonish17:04
mtreinishcdent: not quite yet, there is still a bit of work on that front17:04
mtreinishyou can spin it up locally using real data though17:04
cdentcool thanks17:05
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mtreinishcdent: if you want to test it locally I can give you a hand with that post-meeting17:05
cdentI'll give it a go some time later (after this I'm off to dinner)17:05
* mtreinish had to learn some dark secrets of js packaging to work on it :(17:05
mtreinishok cool17:05
mtreinishok does anyone have anything to discuss on this topic?17:06
* andreaf lurks around for now17:06
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mtreinishok, I guess not17:07
mtreinishlet's move on17:07
mtreinish#topic Specs Reviews17:07
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mtreinishwe actually have a new spec proposal this week from SpamapS:17:07
mtreinishthe first one in a while17:08
* mtreinish lets SpamapS sell his spec :)17:08
SpamapSLets measure things!17:08
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SpamapSPlease have a quick read if you're interested. I'm pushing hard to give us a picture of how hard we're hammering our backend services.17:09
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dwallecksounds interesting. I'll have a peek17:10
SpamapSThe goal is to have some data about this as change ocurrs, and then start doing some large scale changes to reduce (or even in some cases _remove_) use of backend services through various means and by adding some new ones.17:10
SpamapSFor instance, keystone is ripe for more caching.17:10
SpamapSBut we don't have much of a picture of how hard it actually hits the database versus the hit/miss ratio on memcached.17:10
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SpamapSAnd even more fun.. we're abusing rabbitmq *and* mysql for locking in Cinder and Heat, but using a DLM might have a significant positive impact on how much we utilize the mq and database.17:11
SpamapSAlso, who doesn't love more graphs?17:12
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mtreinishyeah, and the nice thing is this will also provide a framework and template for how to expand this for other metrics in the future when new questions arise17:12
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mtreinishheh, everyone likes colors17:12
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mtreinishok, does anyone have anything else on specs today? (either SpamapS's or in general)17:13
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mtreinish#topic Tempest17:14
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mtreinishok does anyone have anything to discuss about tempest this week?17:14
rfolcomtreinish, have a question about devstack/tempest regarding flavors, not sure if can use this time :)17:14
mtreinishrfolco: go for it17:15
mtreinishrfolco: it's not like anyone else spoke up :)17:15
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rfolcoI have a question about flavors on devstack/tempest. Since the memory requirements changed for ppc64, I sent a patch to stop creating nano/micro flavors and to start using DEFAULT_INSTANCE_TYPE=m1.tiny, 512MB - However, the flavor_ref_alt would be m1.small - 2G, which works fine, but too large… waste of RAM.17:15
rfolcoWould be reasonable to introduce CUSTOM_FLAVOR_ALT=<ram_size> so I can have a smaller favor_alt for resize scenarios, as 768MB ?17:15
mtreinishrfolco: although I'm not sure I want to here about power and how you need giant guests to work on it17:15
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mtreinishrfolco: sure I think that's fine17:16
rfolcomtreinish, thanks17:17
mtreinishrfolco: heh, was that it? :)17:17
rfolcomtreinish, will submit the patch for review on this path then.. that's what I meant17:17
mtreinishrfolco: heh, nm17:18
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mtreinishok is there anything else on tempest for this week?17:18
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mtreinishI guess one thing to note is that the tempest-lib service client migrations are in full swing17:18
andreafmtreinish: just a heads up I started working on the migration of cred providers to tempest-lib17:18
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mtreinishso if people could keep an eye on tempest-lib that'll help that move quickly17:19
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mtreinishandreaf: ok cool, that'll be good to have17:19
andreafmtreinish: will do17:19
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andreafmtreinish: the only bit that is blocked is the tenant isolation provider, which requires the identity client to be in tempest-lib17:20
mtreinishandreaf: on that note, I started an etherpad somewhere with things we need to migrate to tempest-lib (when I was working on the ec2 tempest plugin)17:20
andreafmtreinish: but that should happen soon17:20
mtreinishI'll have to dig that up and put it on the ML17:20
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andreafmtreinish: ok thanks17:20
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mtreinishandreaf: can't we pass it the client object?17:20
andreafmtreinish: sure that's the way it is now, but it would be a  bit odd to have something in tempest-lib which depends on an object in tempest17:21
mtreinishandreaf: heh, that's how the rest client was for a long time until we migrated auth17:21
mtreinishbut I agree it is weird17:21
mtreinishok, is there anything else to discuss on tempest this week?17:22
andreafmtreinish: anyways the identity client should be in tempest-lib relatively soon17:22
mtreinishandreaf: ok cool17:22
mtreinishok, lets move on17:23
mtreinish#topic Devstack17:23
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mtreinishdoes anyone have something to discuss about devstack this week?17:23
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mtreinishdtroyer, sdague: ?17:23
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mtreinishok, I guess not. Let's move on17:25
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mtreinish#topic Grenade17:25
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mtreinishanyone have anything to discuss on grenade this week?17:26
mtreinishI guess the big news here (and for devstack too) is that we've branched eveything for liberty17:26
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mtreinishso now on master changes we're running liberty->master17:26
mtreinishwhich sdague drove forward, there were some headaches IIRC17:26
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mtreinishok, is there anything else on grenade?17:27
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mtreinish#topic OpenStack Health17:28
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mtreinishok so does anyone have anything to discuss on the openstack-health dashboard17:29
mtreinishI can run down a quick status if anyone wants17:29
andreafmtreinish: that would be nice17:29
glaucomtreinish: it would be great17:29
dwalleckSo I was trying to follow the dev setup and somewhere between npm and gulp, I'm failing :)17:29
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mtreinishdtroyer: yeah the js install stuff is awful17:30
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mtreinishdwalleck: improves the docs:
mtreinishbecause those extra steps are so obvious17:30
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dwalleckahh cool, I'll take a look17:31
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mtreinishdwalleck: there is a follow on step for mac too :)17:31
mtreinishas for the status right now we're still working on getting the 3 main pages working with real data17:31
mtreinishthe first page (an overview of all runs with per project groups) is in a good place17:31
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ccarraramtreinish: maybe we need some ui/ux improvements only.17:32
dwalleckmtreinish: hehe :)17:32
mtreinishthe second page has the angular pieces but still needs api query support17:32
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mtreinishccarrara: sure, this is all iterative17:32
mtreinishwe need to get a starting point running17:32
mtreinishthen we can make lots of improvements easily17:32
ccarraramtreinish: We think the second page already has api support.17:32
dwalleckI don't know if there's any place you guys need specific help, but this something I absolutely need and would like to throw some cycles at17:32
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mtreinishyes that's the patch in progress17:33
mtreinishI was discussing what's already landed17:33
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mtreinishdwalleck: sure, that would definitely help17:33
andreafdwalleck: sure I think help is always welcome17:33
mtreinishdwalleck: the more hands on deck we can get things running for real17:33
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ccarrarathe lack of information about the tasks in progress and the target to achieve in the project can be a obstacle to income helps17:34
dwalleckcool. I'll be lurking around more, so I'll start poking around17:34
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mtreinishccarrara: well we should be using an etherpad, but that kinda fizzled away17:35
ccarraraI don't know if we can improve this in any way17:35
mtreinishI'll see if I can fix that soon17:35
mtreinishthe other big thing is getting the real deployment stuff working17:35
mtreinishthere are a couple patches in progress for that:17:35
andreafmtreinish: I think once we have the fist pages up and running we could start using specs, in the meanwhile the etherpad should be good to see what's going on17:36
mtreinishfor real config support on the frontend17:36
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mtreinishoh it looks like the wsgi container support landed when I wasn't looking17:36
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glaucocurrently working on the improvements suggested by mtreinish17:36
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mtreinishglauco: yep, that'll be how we deploy it with puppet17:37
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mtreinishthere will be a corresponding system config patch to use it when it's ready17:37
mtreinishandreaf: oh, yeah specs might be a good review mechanism for adding pages17:37
mtreinishok, so my summary was kinda a mess :)17:38
mtreinishbut was there anything else to discuss on this topic?17:38
ccarraramtreinish: maybe we couldn't help so much :)17:38
andreafmtreinish: was there any news on ci-watch?17:38
timothyb89to interject, here's a running snapshot of the current master branch:
timothyb89for those looking for an example17:39
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mtreinishtimothyb89: heh, that's actually really helpful I think17:39
mtreinishandreaf: I think they're still working on that on the infra side17:39
andreaftimothyb89: cool thanks17:39
mtreinishandreaf: or did you mean the ci-watch spec?17:39
andreafmtreinish: I meant the actual service17:40
andreafmtreinish: from the infra folks17:40
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mtreinish(it's not at all confusing that the spec for this work was labelled ci-watch and the 3rd party dashboard service is called ci-watch)17:40
mtreinishandreaf: I haven't been following it too closely17:40
mtreinishbut I think they're making progress there17:40
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andreafmtreinish: I guess we should have a new spec, reflecting the initial 4 pages, just for sake of tracking it?17:40
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andreafmtreinish: a spec in the qa-specs repo17:40
mtreinishandreaf: is that you volunteering to write it?17:41
andreafmtreinish: yep, indeed17:41
mtreinishbecause that would probably help17:41
mtreinish#action andreaf to write qa spec for the work in progress on openstack-health17:41
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mtreinishit's all sorts of official now :)17:41
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mtreinishok, is there anything else on this topic?17:42
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glaucoandreaf: I would like to help on this spec as well, if possible17:43
mtreinishok, lets move on17:43
mtreinish#topic Critical Reviews17:43
andreafglauco: sure I'll put up an initial draft17:43
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andreafglauco: and we can take it from there17:43
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mtreinishdoes anyone have any reviews they'd like to get extra eyes on?17:44
mtreinishoh, that's an important one17:44
glaucoyes. If we could get some reviews on
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mtreinishwe get at least 1 question a week because the docs recommended method of running tempest fails17:45
andreafmtreinish: no so critical, but this is the series for preparing the cred provider migration, at least the part I have up until now: # link,n,z17:45
mtreinishso if people could review dpaterson's patch that would be good17:45
mtreinishandreaf: I think you messed up the formatting, i'm not sure it was gonna get picked up17:45
andreafmtreinish: thanks17:46
mtreinishand I have 1 this week too:17:46
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mtreinishwhich is kinda simple, but something I hit in testing the tempest_ec2 plugin I've been playing with17:46
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mtreinishok, are there any other reviews to bring up?17:47
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andreafmtreinish: +217:47
mtreinishandreaf: thanks17:48
mtreinishok, lets open the floor17:48
mtreinish#topic Open Discussion17:48
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mtreinishDoes anyone have anything to discuss which wasn't on the agenda?17:48
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mtreinishok, I guess let's end it here today17:51
mtreinishthanks everyone17:51
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sajeeshping johnthetubaguy17:59
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daneyon#startmeeting container-networking18:00
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daneyonThe agenda has not changed from last week18:01
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daneyonThis is going to be a short meeting today.18:01
daneyon#topic roll call18:01
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daneyonThank you dane_leblanc Tango eghobo_ for joining the meeting.18:02
daneyon#topic Review Swarm patch.18:02
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daneyonI thought the patch would be done over a week ago18:02
daneyonHowever, I have struggled rebasing multiple times due to recent merges18:02
daneyonFirst it was the tls code18:03
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daneyonNow it's this merge18:03
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daneyonthanks hongbin for joining18:03
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daneyonI am having problems with the wait condition for the master node... been troubleshooting it for over a day now :-(18:04
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daneyonOtherwise the patch works great and all the tox tests should pass.18:04
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daneyonIn general, our heat templates are a BIG challenge. They are very complicated with serval areas that you need to touch.18:05
daneyonAnd we have soooo many different templates.18:05
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daneyoneach, with tons of overlap.18:06
TangoHopefully the consolidation will help18:06
daneyonI think this is a real issue that we need to address in Tokyo18:06
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TangoIs it a topic yet in the etherpad?18:07
hongbinYes, it is already there18:07
daneyonyes it is Tango18:07
Tangoah, #1718:07
daneyonI know tcammann is working on front-ending the templates with jinja templates. I think this approach has it's own problems.... mainly another layer to touch.18:08
TangoIf it's not covered in the design sessions, I think we have a work day at the end18:08
daneyonThe heat team has suggested using provider resources and a resource registry... this is what tripleo does.18:08
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hongbinI like the provider resources approach18:09
TangoHow does that work?18:09
hongbinIt allows us to plug in a new networking model I think18:09
daneyonhongbin agreed.18:09
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daneyonlet me find and post the link to tcammann's wip patch that uses jinja18:10
daneyonone moment18:10
hongbinTango: It works by defining custom heat resources.18:10
daneyonSteven Hardy provided some good feedback regarding an alternate approach.18:11
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daneyonAlso capture by adrian_otto in a bug18:11
openstackLaunchpad bug 1501045 in Magnum "Tech Debt: Consider nested stacks instead of generated templates" [Wishlist,New]18:11
daneyonI think it comes down to someone from the community really diving into the templates and refactoring them.18:12
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TangoMaybe we can grab Steve Hardy in Tokyo for discussion18:13
daneyonIn general using provider resource and registry will make our templates far more compossible. This will be critical as we support multiple variations of realizing a bay.18:13
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daneyonTons of options from coe, distro, network-driver, etc..18:13
daneyonTango good idea18:14
TangoIt would be good to learn from the TripleO experience18:14
daneyonTango can you make note of that on the etherpad?18:14
daneyon#action Tango to add a request to have Steve Hardy join our discussion related to refactoring heat templates.18:15
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daneyonAs soon as I can figure out the issue I'm having making my patch work with I will post a new patch set that should be ready for merge18:16
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daneyon#topic Review Action Items18:16
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daneyonACTION: danehans to continue coordinating with gsagie on a combined kuryr/magnum design summit session.18:16
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daneyonI have spoke to gsagie. They are still working through the details on their end18:16
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daneyonI have also requested that adrian_otto finalize our schedule b/c/ kuryr is interested in joining our networking related sessions.18:17
daneyonI will carry the action forward until we finalize the details... hopefully next week.18:18
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daneyon#action danehans to continue coordinating with gsagie on a combined kuryr/magnum design summit session.18:18
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daneyon#action danehans to follow-up with adrian_otto regarding summit schedule and details.18:18
daneyon#topic Open Discussion18:18
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daneyonIs anyone interested in adding a network driver other than flannel or kuryr?18:19
TangoWhat's next after flannel has been factored for k8s and swarm?18:19
daneyonAfter flannel is implemented using network-driver and labels, is their any other networking-related work that needs to be accomplished?18:20
TangoWhat's a good driver to consider?18:20
daneyonTango flannel is implemented in k8s. How it's implemented in the heat templates can be improved. That should hopefully get addressed in the larger template refactor.18:21
daneyonswarm should be done any day now18:21
daneyonI need to work on mesos18:21
daneyonTango I plan to implement a driver called netplugin18:22
daneyonnetplugin is applicable to all bay types18:23
hongbindaneyon: any reason why you choose it to be the next one?18:24
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daneyonhongbin I know the driver pretty well and should be able to implement it fairly easy, the maintainers have offered their support to assist me, it works with all our bay types, etc..18:25
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daneyonfolks from cisco are involved and I work for cisco.18:25
hongbinI see18:25
daneyonI am hoping that we can get other drivers merged in the near future too18:26
daneyonI think Calico would be high on the list.18:26
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daneyonDoes anyone have connections at metaswitch?18:27
hongbinI think OpenVSwitch is also high18:27
eghobo_maybe OVN18:28
daneyonhongbin from my understanding ovs will come through kuryr18:28
daneyonmaybe ovs is a libnetwork driver too18:28
daneyonlet me double check18:28
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hongbindaneyon: yes, ovs as a libnetwork driver :)18:28
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daneyonoff hand, i'm not sure if the libnetwork overlay driver uses ovs18:28
daneyonI don;t think so18:29
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daneyonI believe it uses linux bridges and vxlan from kernel18:29
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daneyonhongbin unless i'm incorrect about the libnetwork overlay driver, none of the native libnetwork drivers implement ovs. Therefore, someone would need to add an ovs native driver or a remote driver would need to implement ovs.18:30
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hongbindaneyon: ack18:30
daneyonnetplugin implements ovs and kuryr can implement ovs if neutron is configured to use the ovs agent.18:31
daneyonyou can see ovs as a libnetwork driver here18:31
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hongbinI see18:32
hongbinBTW, I have a feeling that we don't have agreement on which one will be the third one18:33
daneyoneghobo_ I would like to see OVN too18:33
daneyonA remote driver will need to implement OVN.18:33
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daneyonhongbin here are my thoughts on adding network-drivers18:34
daneyonAs with other code, I am open to anyone from the community adding a driver as long as the code is solid.18:34
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hongbinI agree that is the goal for long term18:35
daneyonI think we as a community focus on supporting 1 driver, flannel and others that add add'l drivers are responsible for maintaining the driver.18:35
daneyonIf the person(s) that add add'l drivers do not maintain the driver code they added, it gets pulled.18:36
daneyonb/c i don;t think we can support every drive that can get added.18:36
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daneyoni think this is similar to neutron18:36
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hongbinMy worry is that we don't have the plugable architecture ready yet, so accepting too many drivers is a burden18:37
daneyonIMO I don;t think we need to agee on what drivers to add beyond flannel. I think it's up to dev's to freely add drivers as long as the code is solid. I think this is a similar approach to what we take for the rest of the magnum project.18:38
daneyonsomeone please correct me if I'm wrong.18:38
daneyonhongbin the pluggable arch is there for k8s. Soon it will be there for swarm, then mesos.18:38
hongbinbut our templates is not plugable yet ...18:39
daneyonIf someone wanted to add an add'l driver for k8s, it should work. It would also be good b/c then we can truly know multiple network-drivers actually work18:40
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TangoHas anyone tried a different overlay network on k8s?18:40
daneyonright now we only test passing network-driver flannel or we don't pass anything. A 2nd driver will be good for validation purposes.18:40
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daneyonTango I have used both UDP and VXLAN overlay options for the flannel driver.18:41
daneyonboth work18:41
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daneyonas well as passing other configurable parameters such as the subnet lnegth, etc... all works18:42
daneyonfor k8s18:42
TangoRight, I mean, say using netplugin on k8s18:42
hongbinI am thinking to add kuryr as the 2nd driver maybe18:42
daneyonand swarm minus this patch:
daneyonAdding another driver will be good to validate multiple drivers actually work.18:42
daneyonTango no.18:43
daneyonAs drivers get added, we will truly know how well the network-driver and labels implementation actually works18:43
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TangoYep, that would be a good exercise to validate the whole architecture18:44
daneyoni feel confident it will work. However, it will work better after we address our heat template issues.18:44
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daneyonhongbin I think it would be great to add kuryr18:44
hongbinyes, just not sure what is the state of kuryr right now18:45
TangoSomething to consider is to document the work so far and the steps for adding new drivers18:45
daneyonI've been a bit disconnected from kuryr the last few weeks as I've tried to focus my time on implementing the Magnum container network model across the bay types.18:45
hongbindaneyon: And agree with you that addressing the heat template issues is a high priority18:45
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daneyonIMO I think it's still a bit early to implement kuryr. But as I said, you are free to implement any driver as long as the code is solid and it works.18:46
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daneyonAll does everyone agree on our what I said ^ about adding drivers?18:46
daneyonAny recommendations?18:47
hongbinAgree if the new drivers is in a separated repo18:47
TangoHow about contrib?18:47
hongbinor in a contrib folder18:47
daneyonTango agreed 100%. I will definitly document the network-driver and labels stuff18:47
daneyonAfter I get swarm working, I will take that on.18:47
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TangoGood to capture the thought when they are still fresh :)18:48
daneyonwho here knows mesos well?18:48
hongbinme :)18:48
hongbinor eghobo_18:48
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Tangohongbin: I would have never guessed :)18:48
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hongbindaneyon: Back to the new drivers staff, I think it is better to consult with Adrian before proceeding.18:49
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daneyonhongbin agreed18:50
daneyon#action danehans to address how to add new drivers with adrian_otto18:50
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daneyonWe'll circle back on the topic next week. Hopefully I'll have feedback from adrian_otto by then.18:51
daneyonany other open discussion?18:51
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daneyonI guess that's a wrap.18:51
daneyonThanks for joining and see you next week18:52
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dtroyer#startmeeting OpenStackClient19:01
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:01
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dtroyeranyone here?19:01
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stevemar_lhcheng: do you still have conflicts wiht this meeting?19:01
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dtroyeralarm ping: dhellmann, briancurtin, terrylhowe, sigmavirus24, dstanek19:01
lhchengstevemar_: yeah after 30 mins19:02
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stevemar_lhcheng: ah okay19:03
stevemar_MeganR: you're new, welcome!19:03
MeganRHi, thank you19:03
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lhchengMeganR: o/19:03
stevemar_dtroyer: whats on the agenda today boss19:04
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dtroyerI didn't make one, so lets let the review queue drive us for a few minutes19:04
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dtroyeror maybe start with:19:04
lhchenggate still failing?19:04
dtroyer#topic gate status19:04
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stevemar_lhcheng: i put in something to fix it19:04
dtroyerstevemar_'s fix merged, but I've seen anouther failure or two since then and haven't had a chance to check it out yet19:05
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dtroyerthe rest of the rechecks are still running so it may be an actual problem19:05
stevemar_that would be unfortunate19:05
dtroyerstevemar_: this was due to the devstack default change, yes?19:05
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stevemar_dtroyer: i believe so19:05
stevemar_the fall out wasn't so bad this time19:06
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stevemar_just shade and osc broke (that i know of)19:06
dtroyerand was limited to our jobs, yes19:06
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dtroyerI think19:06
dtroyer#topic stevemar_'s object store additions19:07
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stevemar_i'm sure something else might have broke, but i haven't heard yelling yet19:07
stevemar_ohhh object store19:07
dtroyera bunch of those finally merged, delays mostly due to me.19:07
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dtroyerstevemar_: is that series complete?19:07
stevemar_it's all good19:07
stevemar_i think so19:07
stevemar_oh, one more19:07
stevemar_this is actually a good topic too19:07
stevemar_deciding on how to show the metadata19:08
lhchengdtroyer: would love to see this included too:
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stevemar_do we leave the header as is, trim the X-Container-Meta19:08
stevemar_or leave it as just "Meta x"19:08
stevemar_so if we had property X=Y19:08
stevemar_swiftclient shows:19:09
stevemar_Meta X | Y19:09
dtroyerI'd say we want to shoe exactly what the user supplied in the first place19:09
stevemar_we could do that, or:19:09
stevemar_X | Y19:09
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stevemar_or the ugliest one, keep the header as is19:09
dtroyerno no no19:09
stevemar_you like X | Y eh19:10
dtroyeris there something keeping us from producing output formatted like other properties?19:10
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stevemar_the issue with that is if someone decides to name is Bytes or something19:10
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stevemar_or one of the fields that is normally returned19:10
dtroyerwe have that problem elsewhere19:10
dtroyeror ignore it elsewhere?19:10
stevemar_i think that's why swftclient renames it to Meta X19:11
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stevemar_we actually dont have that problem else where19:11
dtroyerI don't think I have the full picture then19:11
dtroyerevery other resource with —property does this19:11
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stevemar_it's all here:
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dtroyerso properties become top-level fields in the output?19:13
stevemar_yes sir19:13
dtroyerI don' tthink we do that anywhere else?19:13
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dtroyerif we do we have the same problem19:13
stevemar_we could set it to a new properties field19:13
stevemar_but that's tricky...19:14
dtroyerhow so?19:14
stevemar_actually, nvm, i guess: If 'meta' in header, we know it's a property19:14
dtroyerright, we added the prefix in the first place to set it19:15
stevemar_dtroyer: also, what were you trying to do with meta-owner19:16
stevemar_it's all over the code base, and its the same as the account id19:16
dtroyerno idea off the top o'my head...19:16
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stevemar_dtroyer: can i rip it out when i fix up the 'show'?19:17
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stevemar_it's always the same as the account id / project id19:17
dtroyerI think so?  I may have been trying to make this look more like the rest of the world19:17
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stevemar_i dunno19:17
stevemar_okay, i'll rip it out19:17
dtroyerbut remember the core of that code was pulled from swiftclient and I may not have understood it well enough19:17
dtroyermore on obj-sto?  lhcheng the review you noted above looks good, you'll have a follow-up soon?19:18
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lhchengnope, I want to treat the header cleanup as separate bug19:19
lhchengdtroyer: we might need to do something like:
dtroyerok, fine.  I wanted to make sure merging 231847 didn't leave us in a half-done state19:19
dtroyerso two issues then19:19
stevemar_dtroyer: nah, it's fine to go in separate19:20
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dtroyer#topic image updates19:21
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dtroyerwe still have a number of these in-flight19:21
stevemar_we do?19:22
dtroyerI'd like to get to a logical breakpoint before the next release19:22
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dtroyerbunting has —volume for image set ( and —owner for image create (
dtroyerthe latter may be fine to wait, I think we need at tleast the former in, —location and —copy-from may be lower priority19:23
stevemar_ah right19:24
stevemar_gah, more reviews to do19:24
dtroyeralways more!19:25
dtroyer#topic other reviews19:25
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dtroyerany others anyone wants to raise?19:25
stevemar_i wouldn't mind cutting another release once image and object are settled19:25
dtroyerthat's what I was thinking too19:25
dtroyerlooking for where that line is…seems like —volume is the one we're mostly waiting on?19:26
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stevemar_i think so19:26
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stevemar_"we need to talk about plugins"19:27
dtroyer#topic plugins19:27
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dtroyergo for it19:27
stevemar_zigo brought it up in the ML19:27
stevemar_is there a better way to handle conflicts?19:27
stevemar_or not-found19:27
dtroyerhis actual problem was a plugin bug, but the command conflict is a reall issue19:28
stevemar_i've also gotten myself into a pretty nasty state once or twice19:28
dtroyerbetter tools for debugging entrypoints would help19:28
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dtroyerdhellmann has his ep tool that is a huge help, maybe a doc describing the process for finding problems would help19:28
stevemar_hmm, this is outside of my realm of expertise19:29
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stevemar_i made this:
dtroyerI actually think that overriding entry points is a feature if it can be controlled19:29
stevemar_but it would be nice if had a gate job or test that saw conflicts19:29
dtroyerhow?  we have to find all the plugins and gate on them?19:30
dtroyerthanks dhellmann19:30
stevemar_dtroyer: yeah, just talking abstractly19:30
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stevemar_i have no idea how to solve that issue19:31
dhellmannwe could set up a job that other projects could add themselves to to verify that they aren't introducing a duplicate19:31
dhellmannit would just need to install everything and then scan the namespace for dupes19:31
stevemar_dhellmann: those jobs would need to pull in other projects too19:31
dtroyerI think the doc you started is our interim, and for-now-best, solution19:31
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dhellmannstevemar_: yeah, it would be consenting co-gating19:31
* stevemar_ might be turning on his tv to watch game 1 of ALDS19:32
dtroyerthat still doesn't solve the 'private plugin' case though.  I have one for Nebula for example that could never run there...19:32
dhellmanndtroyer: how do you guarantee load order for your plugin19:32
stevemar_dhellmann: it sounds tricky, i just wish folks would look at a doc before doing that19:32
dhellmannstevemar_: yeah19:33
dtroyerdhellmann: I couldn't sort that out so assumed it wasn't possible.  but I hadn't asked you about it yet ;)19:33
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dhellmanndtroyer: I don't think it's possible :-)19:33
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dhellmanndtroyer: if we want to support overrides, we should add that to cliff explicitly19:33
dtroyerthere is a similar problem with making command aliases, for deprecating commands but only shoing the new one in help19:33
* dhellmann nods19:34
dtroyerdhellmann: yup19:34
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dtroyerand that's why you haven't seen my modifed command plugin yet...19:34
dtroyerstevemar_: fwiw I filed a bug on cueclient for that message-broker command, haven't decided on designateclient yet on ptr_record19:35
dtroyergot sidetracked on the alias part last night19:36
stevemar_dtroyer: cueclient should be able to change, they haven't released yet AFAIK19:36
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stevemar_ah dammit, they did a 0.9.019:36
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stevemar_dtroyer: i think keeping the "code name" in the doc makes sense19:38
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stevemar_there are 2 different messaging projects19:38
dtroyerthis may be the only place I think it does, users need to know that to install the right lib19:38
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stevemar_dtroyer: i think that's all for me19:39
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stevemar_we can decide on summit stuff next week19:39
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dtroyeryeah.  so far the two things I'm kicking around are about the command conflict and some overall multiple-project things for the fishbowl19:40
dtroyerand I'm shifting my conference talk away from including SDK since it is still so far off19:41
stevemar_for me it's: look for cinder to buy-in for osc (we're super close to parity); ask glance to implement their v3 API in OSC only; focus on keystoneauth; sdk support; neutron anything19:41
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dtroyer#topic open discussion19:42
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dhellmannstevemar_: we can try to get glance to only implement the new image import API in osc as well19:42
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dtroyerI'm more nervous about doing that with glance just because that client is soo different (v2 at least) I'd prefer to not need it at all.19:44
dtroyerunique deps like pyopenssl, warlock, etc19:44
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dhellmanndo we not use glance's client to talk to that API?19:44
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dtroyerwe do except for the list commands today, those are using my internal api prototype that the sdk didn't merge19:45
dhellmannit looks like we're going to end up with a new API to find the preferred/supported settings in the cloud, and then another to start the import from a URL19:45
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dtroyeryay discovery!19:46
dhellmannthose will be part of v2, not v319:46
dhellmannv2.x or something -- we haven't figured that part out yet19:46
dtroyerkinda unrelated, but do you know if glance has plans for microversioning their api?19:47
dhellmannthat's the thing we haven't worked out19:47
dhellmannright now we're focusing on what an api should look like, and we'll deal with the version # when we see what we need to add/change19:47
dtroyerok.  I want to generalize nova's negotiation and try to use it as much everywhere as possible.19:48
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dtroyerso if that comes up I hope it's at least similar19:48
dhellmannhere's the spec if you want to follow it
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dtroyeranything else?19:50
* dhellmann has nothing19:50
dtroyerI'm trying to distill OSC's auth process (including cmdline/env var handling) into a single example to make it easy to seee and try both direct ksa and the sdk.19:51
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dtroyerthat should be easier to follow than jumping between and and whatever else19:52
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dtroyeroh, one more: stevemar_, any thoughts on the discussion in
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dtroyerchime in there if so19:54
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dtroyeralrightythen… last chance…19:55
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stevemar_dtroyer: i'll chime in19:56
dtroyerok, thanks everyone!19:56
stevemar_i didn't realize it was so unfinished19:56
MeganR   thank you19:56
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mikalNova meeting...20:58
mikalmikal tjones cburgess jgrimm adrian_otto funzo mjturek jcookekhugen irina_pov krtaylor danpb alexpilotti flip214 jaypipes garyk edleafe dims moshele anteaya Nisha sileht claudiub lxsli neiljerram markus_z swamireddy alevine tonyb andreykurilin ndipanov sc68cal akuriata artom jlvillal mnestratov kashyap aloga rgeragnov bauzas xyang tpatil med_ nic scottda nagyz dannywilson belliott dguitarbite sdague jroll diana_clarke _diana_ raildo: you are all on an20:58
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bauzasmeh, early20:58
dansmithdude, two minutes early20:58
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tonybdansmith: makes up for my 2mins late last fortnight ;P20:59
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mikalHerm, my random machine with poorly configured NTP says now20:59
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mikalFine. I will wait for this here google search to say its time20:59
dansmithtonyb: heh, you were more than two minutes late20:59
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dansmithtonyb: but fair enough20:59
bauzas20 sec20:59
dansmithif it means we get to end earlier... :)20:59
bauzashuh 10 sec20:59
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mikalNope, waiting for google now21:00
mikal#startmeeting nova21:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Oct  8 21:00:18 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mikal. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'nova'21:00
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mikal^-- agenda as usual21:00
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mikal#topic RC2 status21:00
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mikalSo, I was asleep over night21:00
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dansmithmikal: ttx cut rc2 this morning21:01
mikalDid we manage to get that thing out?21:01
dansmithwe got the last fix in21:01
mikalSo nothing else to discuss there really?21:01
dansmithnot imho21:01
mikal#topic Mitaka status21:01
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mikalSo, the design summit session suggestion thing is now closed21:01
dansmithjohn is going to submit the tentative schedule tomorrow morning he said21:02
mikaljohnthetubaguy is spending some quality time staring at the suggestions and will come up with a proposal for sessions real soon now21:02
mriedemyeah, i don't have the etherpad anymore21:02
dansmithwe did that this morning21:02
dansmithmikal: ^21:02
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dansmithit's at the bottom21:02
mikalAhhh ok21:02
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mikalWhen I went to sleep it was still a todo item21:02
dansmithwell, it still has question marks around everything, but for no reason that I know of21:03
dansmithjohnthetubaguy likes question marks21:03
mikaljohnthetubaguy also wants us to try and sort specs into buckets21:03
dansmithfear of commitment21:03
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tonybdo we know if danpb will be there?21:03
mikalWhich I guess is mostly about helping the review process out21:03
mriedemtonyb: he will21:03
mikalAt the summit?21:04
tonybmriedem: cool.21:04
mriedemhe's doing the neutron os vif lib session21:04
tonybmriedem: Oh good.  that's the one I was thinking would be pointless without him21:04
mikalIs there any point doing a blow by blow about the process for recovering specs / patches which didn't land in Liberty? Or do we think we all understand that?21:04
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mikalThe process is unchanged from last release21:04
mriedemno point21:04
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mriedemping people to remove -2s21:05
dansmithagreed no point21:05
mriedemreporpose for mitaka21:05
mikalThe only other thing I can think of here is are there already any specless blueprints we need to discuss / approve?21:05
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dansmithI think we discussed the only ones last week21:05
tonybjohn sent an email with the details didn't he?  if we get questions we can just point at that21:05
mriedemthere are some in
mikalYeah, it should be well known21:06
mriedembut i haven't looked21:06
mriedemwould need people here to bring them up21:06
bauzastonyb: yup
mikalThere are a few specless blueprints in the etherpad21:06
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mikalLine 61 onwards21:06
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mriedemlooks like a couple are just re-proposals from liberty21:07
mikalI could seven not marked as approved in the etherpad21:07
mikalWe should discuss at least a few of those21:07
mriedemi ignore those that are struck out21:07
mikalmriedem: yep, these are the non-struck out ones21:08
mriedemapproved in liberty, might as well re-approve it21:08
mikalI think that one should get approved again21:08
mikalmriedem: I think we should do a ten second discussion for each21:08
mikalmriedem: instead of just blindly clicking21:08
mriedemis time up yet?21:09
mikalSo are we still ok with the hyper-v bdm one?21:09
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jrollread: wait for mikal to say it should be approved again21:09
mikalNo objections, so I shall approve it21:09
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mriedemit's very sparse on details21:09
mriedembut seems trivial21:09
mikalThis one has code proposed21:09
dansmithI don't think they should do this21:09
mriedemi feel that needs a spec21:09
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dansmithhost maintenance mode is currently xen-only,21:10
dansmithand the way we do this now is with service disable, IMHO21:10
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dansmithso I don't want to see this spread to other drivers, personally21:10
mriedemyeah, evacuate is not trivial21:10
mikalIf you want a spec I think that's a reasonable request21:10
mriedemi put that in the etherpad21:10
jrolliirc rackspace also uses service disable for maintenance, on xen21:10
jrollpresumably for a reason21:10
mikalOk, I will note in that BP that we'd like a spec please21:11
dansmithwe should kill this with fire21:11
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dansmithbut since we can't really, we should not spread it21:11
mikalOk, move on?21:11
dansmithmriedem: this is unrelated to evacuate, right?21:11
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mriedemi thought host maintenance mode in xenapi triggered evacuate21:12
mriedembut not through the actual rebuild api21:12
dansmithmriedem: it does something weird and xen-specific at the lower layers21:12
mriedempurely orchestrated in the virt driver i thought21:12
dansmithmriedem: if you have host clusters or something21:12
dansmithit's not our evacuate21:12
mriedemi could see vmware wanting this too eventually.....21:12
mriedemalthough i think they already do it21:13
dansmithI think we should kill it21:13
mriedemand try to sync up later and it breaks21:13
mriedemi agree that it's not fun21:13
mikalSo, moving on?21:14
mriedemanyway, definitely needs a spec21:14
dansmithvmware just sets an attribute on the host I think,21:14
mikalWe've asked for a spec and can talk there21:14
dansmithwhatever, okay21:14
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mriedem^ was approved in liberty21:14
mikalI think we should approve again21:14
mriedemcode would be helpful21:15
mikalNext one21:15
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mriedemalso approved in liberty21:15
mriedemno code21:15
dansmithhalf of it is done though21:16
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dansmiththe metric is already reported21:16
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mikalIts relatively cheap to approve and wait for code21:16
dansmithdo we even need more code for this? not sure21:16
mikalSo approve?21:16
dansmithI thought there was a generic metrics filter?21:16
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mikalI'd have to look21:16
dansmithbauzas: ?21:16
bauzasthis is more for weighers21:16
mriedemjaypipes: might know21:16
bauzasbut we indeed have a filter21:16
dansmithdo we need more code?21:17
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mikalSounds like we should just approve though and let that discussion happen in the code review?21:17
bauzasthat just checks whether the metrics are okay21:17
dansmithmikal: my point is, I'm not sure we have anything else to do21:17
dansmithmikal: approving it when nothing needs to be done in mitaka seems silly :)21:17
mriedemso let's post the questoin in the whiteboard21:17
dansmithyeah, that21:17
mriedemand bug sudipto in nova later21:17
mikalSure, works for me21:17
mikalWho is doing that whiteboard thing?21:18
bauzasI can21:18
mriedemi did21:18
bauzasmmm, maybe a nova-drivers tho21:18
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bauzasmriedem: thanks21:18
mriedemholy balls,n,z21:18
dansmithI asked in the etherpad21:18
mikalYeah, that's a lot of reviews21:19
dansmithndipanov is working on a state machine for migrations21:19
mriedemthey are 2 line changes21:19
mriedembut still21:19
dansmiththese status strings should not be codified, IMHO21:19
mikalShall we ask ndipanov to take a look at this and comment?21:19
dansmithyes, and I -2d21:20
dansmiththe bottom patch in the series21:20
dansmithI mean, really21:20
mikalOk, so who is going to ping ndipanov?21:21
dansmithI'll add him21:21
mriedemi commented in the etherpad also21:21
mikalOk cool21:21
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mriedemi think ^ is fine21:21
mriedemit's a procedural bp21:21
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mikalYeah, I think we approve this one21:22
mikalNo objections?21:22
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dansmithno relevant ones21:22
mikalLast one21:22
mriedemtrivial, approve21:23
dansmithI wish we didn't even have blueprints for this21:23
dansmithbut whatever21:23
mikalOk, I'll approve that one too then21:23
mikalWasn't that fun people?21:23
mikal#topic Regular reminders21:23
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jrollif it made dansmith grumpy it seems like fun21:23
dansmithjroll: I was already grumpy21:23
mikalThere is a new priority review etherpad at
mikalI'm not 100% sure that that means at this point21:24
mikalBUT IT IS THERE21:24
mikalAny other things you'd like to be nagged about?21:24
mikalSeems not21:24
mriedemtrivial bugs are supposed to be in there also, and virt driver reviews etc21:24
mikalmriedem: fine, be that way21:24
mikal#topic Gate status21:24
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mikalmriedem: do that thing21:25
mriedemidk, it's touch and go21:25
mriedemthings are not fun21:25
dansmithshit has been failing a lot for me today21:25
mikalSounds like rc2 was painful to get merged21:25
dansmithI started insulting jenkins in my recheck comments21:25
mriedemyes, i've been rechecking a lot21:25
bauzasmostly the firewall thing AFAICT21:25
mikal"recheck, you useless pigdog"21:25
mriedemthe libvirt firewall ebtables stuff is relatively new and annoying21:25
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mriedemshowed up on 9/2921:26
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mikalOh, we're doomed21:26
mriedemthe ceph job is also spazzing now too21:26
dansmithI say we give up on this grand experiment21:26
mikalAnyways, is there anything concrete people need help with here?21:26
tonybdansmith: +121:26
mriedemwe need help with the libvirt firewall stuff21:27
mriedemi did some investigation in one of the bugs21:27
mriedemthere are 2 of them21:27
mriedemthere was an ubuntu kernel update on 9/29 or thereabouts21:27
openstackLaunchpad bug 1501558 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "nova-net: libvirtError: Error while building firewall: Some rules could not be created for interface: Unable to update the kernel" [High,Confirmed]21:27
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openstackLaunchpad bug 1501366 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "libvirtError: Error while building firewall: Some rules could not be created for interface" [High,Confirmed]21:27
mriedemthere were no nova changes around 9/29 that look related21:28
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mriedemor upstream deps21:28
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mriedemso i kind of blame the kernel update in ubuntu 14.04 on 9/2921:28
mriedembut idk21:28
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mikalI wonder if we can involve Canonical?21:28
mikalStart a -dev thread asking them for help perhaps?21:28
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mriedemso i found the kernel bug in LP21:28
mriedemand posted that we were having issues and they said it looked unrelated and to open a new bug21:29
mriedemat which point i gave up21:29
mriedemthe links are in the nova bug report21:29
mikalMy tame kernel dev has chosen to ride his bike all weekend, otherwise I'd throw him under this bus21:29
mriedemccarmack found a change in kilo where we did some retry stuff on ebtables updates,21:29
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mriedemmaybe we just need some other retry somewhere else, but it seems odd to have spiked on 9/2921:30
ccarmackmriedem: is there a way to try libvirt 2.11 as an experment to see if the concurrency issue goes away?21:30
* tonyb wonders who mikal is talking about?21:30
mriedembreak his legs21:30
mriedemccarmack: 1.2.11?21:30
mikalccarmack: that would be non-trivial21:30
mriedemunless it's in fedora 2121:30
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mriedemb/c there is a fedora 21 job in the experimental queue21:30
tonybccarmack: that's soemthign I've been workign towards for a while but it still isn't ready.21:30
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mikalSo, we aren't going to solve this here21:31
mriedemhowever, it doesn't help the normal gate jobs that use trust 14.0421:31
mriedemyeah, move on21:31
mikalBut hopefully people will help mriedem out here21:31
mikalOr at least give him a hug21:31
rlrossitctrath: get on it21:31
mriedemi don't do well with hugs21:31
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mikal#topic Third party CI status21:31
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clarkbmriedem: I know ianw and pabelanger are working to move to f22 if it helps21:31
dansmith"in the toilet"21:31
mikalIntel PCI CI was sad, yeah?21:31
tonybmriedem: let me know eher you get up to over the w/e and I'll look at whatever you say is most urgent on my Monday21:32
mriedemmikal: t-h is off the rails21:32
mriedemor is at least sporadic21:32
mikalmriedem: oh, interesting21:32
mriedemand yes intel pci ci is in the toilet21:32
mikalmriedem: I'll poke jhesketh about that21:32
mriedemthey replied in the ML and said their log server went down or something and were fixing it21:32
tonybmriedem: jhesketh is on leave21:32
mikaltonyb: oh yeah, we shouldn't have let that happen21:32
bauzasmriedem: seems t-h was a bit better tonihgt21:33
mikalI'll try to find the time to look at t-h today then21:33
mriedem^ shows t-h as okish, but i was seeing failures in gerrit21:33
mikalAnything else on CI?21:33
mikal#topic Stable branches21:34
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mriedemkilo is still frozen21:34
mriedem2015.1.2 should be out soonish21:34
mriedemthere is a thread in the ML21:34
tonybjuno is a mess ;P21:34
mriedemjuno is eol in november21:34
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tonyb(but nothing specific to nova)21:35
dansmithlol -> juno21:35
mriedemyeah, i'm biding my time for juno to die21:35
Vek("long live kilo!")21:35
mikalMoving on21:35
mikal#topic Open Discussion21:35
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* jroll glares at Vek :P21:35
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melwittI put a thing in the open discussion21:36
mikalIts not there any more?21:36
dansmithwe should discuss it openly21:36
mikalOh, refresh21:36
melwittwe've been unsure what to do with this review in novaclient, wants to add more output to some CLI commands
melwittsomeone told him to make a blueprint and he did
melwittwe already have this type of output for nova delete, reboot, stop, and start21:37
mriedemso -2 the change first21:37
mriedemif there is a bp21:37
bauzasso there was also an interest from lxsli about providing json output21:38
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melwittso I wanted to find out if there's any objection to adding these outputs to more commands, and if not, if we can approve the bp and let the person's patch get reviewed21:38
tonybbauzas: isn't that all part of openstack-client?21:38
bauzasbut osc sounds good for that21:38
bauzastonyb: yeah that21:38
tonybmelwitt: my $0.02 is add the output but also provide a way to turn it off (if that isn't already a thing)21:39
bauzasis there a consensus on improving the CLI output given that there is osc ?21:39
melwitttonyb: that makes sense, but we're already doing it for delete, reboot, stop, and start and it's not optional21:39
mriedemit seems trivial enough21:40
Vekunless we're ready to deprecate the novaclient CLI and point people to osc...21:40
melwittso it feels weird to tell him no when there's already commands doing it21:40
mriedemnovaclient cli is not deprecated21:40
tonybmelwitt: then make it optional ;P  consistency is worth it IMO21:40
mikalVek: I can't see that happening any time soon21:40
mriedemso until that happens, and other commands do this, it seems trivial to add it in21:40
bauzasfair enough21:40
mriedemi can see the ux side of it21:40
mriedem- do thing; no response; wut?21:41
Vekme neither.  For context, that was in response to the question about improving output, which I took to be regarding the addition of json output.21:41
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mikalSeems like we're ok with adding this output?21:41
mikalNo one has strenuously objected?21:41
bauzasthat sounds only additive, right?21:41
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mriedemi'm fine with it21:41
edleafesounds fine to me21:41
dansmithI am unable to care less about this topic21:42
mikalmelwitt: make it so!21:42
tonybdansmith: lol21:42
melwittmikal: can you approve the bp? or does johnthetubaguy have to do it?21:42
mikalmelwitt: I can21:42
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mriedemnow i'd like to talk about the max lenght of commit message titles and periods at the end of a title for awhile21:42
* dansmith punches mriedem in the face21:42
* edleafe piles on21:42
mikalI think it should be no more than 4 characters21:42
ccarmackwe are in the same room as mriedem21:42
mikalAnd always have a "!" in it21:43
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mriedemthere was seriously that guy in channel that ! everything last week21:43
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dansmithmriedem: that was awesome21:43
mikalAnything else non-trolly here?21:43
dansmithmriedem: he was very excited21:43
mriedemi have a question!21:43
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* Vek is glad to have missed that...21:43
mriedemwhat should i work on!21:43
dansmithmriedem: go away!21:43
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annegentlewow I love the snark in this meeting!21:43
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Vekmriedem: add json output to novaclient?  :)21:43
mriedemok, i'm done21:43
mriedemVek: no21:43
mikalOk, game over21:44
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