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| vilobhmm11 | hi all | 16:03 |
| vilobhmm11 | schwicke : ping | 16:03 |
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| sajeesh | hi | 16:04 |
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| sajeesh | hi vilobh | 16:04 |
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| vilobhmm11 | sajeesh : hello! | 16:04 |
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| vilobhmm11 | do we have a meeting today ? | 16:04 |
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| sajeesh | yes...schwicke told so | 16:05 |
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| vilobhmm11 | ok lets wait then | 16:06 |
| sajeesh | ok.. | 16:06 |
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| vilobhmm11 | sajeesh : so what is today's agenda ? | 16:15 |
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| sajeesh | disscussion regarding the session allotted for Belmiro in the summit | 16:16 |
| vilobhmm11 | ok | 16:16 |
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| sajeesh | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-unconference | 16:17 |
| schwicke | hi all | 16:17 |
| schwicke | sorry, I had networking issues | 16:18 |
| sajeesh | hi | 16:18 |
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| schwicke | #startmeeting hierarchical_multitenancy | 16:19 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri Oct 23 16:19:22 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is schwicke. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:19 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: hierarchical_multitenancy)" | 16:19 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'hierarchical_multitenancy' | 16:19 |
| schwicke | hi all, | 16:19 |
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| schwicke | some stuff to be discussed today. | 16:19 |
| schwicke | #topic preparation of summit | 16:20 |
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| schwicke | so from our side Belmiro and Tim will go there | 16:20 |
| schwicke | As discussed internally, Belmiro has proposed hierarchical quotas of the unconference | 16:20 |
| schwicke | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-unconference | 16:21 |
| schwicke | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-unconference | 16:21 |
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| schwicke | including the list to the latest patches | 16:21 |
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| schwicke | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/151327 | 16:22 |
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| schwicke | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/151677 | 16:22 |
| schwicke | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/200342 | 16:22 |
| schwicke | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/200941 | 16:23 |
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| schwicke | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/149828 | 16:23 |
| schwicke | I'd like to re-check where we are with the implementation compared to the BP | 16:23 |
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| sajeesh | ok | 16:24 |
| schwicke | my understanding of the implementation is that | 16:25 |
| schwicke | we are inline with what has been released for Cinder in liberty | 16:25 |
| schwicke | Correct ? | 16:26 |
| sajeesh | yes...AFAIK | 16:26 |
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| schwicke | In particular: for root projects there is no change in behaviour | 16:26 |
| sajeesh | yes | 16:26 |
| schwicke | for sub-projects default quotas are set to zero. | 16:26 |
| sajeesh | yes | 16:26 |
| schwicke | My understanding is that the latter is something people like to question. | 16:27 |
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| sajeesh | but that is same as that in Cinder | 16:27 |
| schwicke | So we may have to explain better why we are doing that. | 16:27 |
| schwicke | It seems to be something which is evident to all of us but not to many other people in the community | 16:28 |
| sajeesh | I also think so | 16:28 |
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| schwicke | I think that we should not stress too much the technical reasons for the implementation but rather the conceptual reasons | 16:29 |
| sajeesh | +1 | 16:30 |
| schwicke | that is that sub-projects must respect the quota of the parent | 16:30 |
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| schwicke | right ? | 16:31 |
| sajeesh | that is very much essential for maintaining consistency across the tree | 16:31 |
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| schwicke | exactly. | 16:32 |
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| schwicke | I wonder if we are suffering from the fact that we've been mostly presenting a very basic use cases where you have a tree like a->b->c | 16:32 |
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| schwicke | giving a more complex example with several sub-projects at the same level may help to motivate that. | 16:33 |
| vilobhmm11 | schwicke : few thoughts | 16:33 |
| schwicke | yes, go ahead | 16:33 |
| vilobhmm11 | rather than explaining the hierarchical model and the use cases in text in (A->B->C) format it would be nice to have a graphical/picture format | 16:34 |
| vilobhmm11 | it helps to make the people understand quicker | 16:34 |
| schwicke | ++1 | 16:34 |
| sajeesh | +1 | 16:34 |
| vilobhmm11 | when we have limited time | 16:34 |
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| vilobhmm11 | so we should consider #1. simple treee and then #2. little bit complex tree with fanout factor of 3 and depth 3 where we can explain the problems which we are visualizing and expecting and no one else is seeing | 16:35 |
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| schwicke | that might also help also to distinguish the concept from other ideas like user quotas | 16:35 |
| sajeesh | +1 | 16:35 |
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| vilobhmm11 | because #2 is more like a real world scenario and #1 will hardly a real world scenario | 16:36 |
| schwicke | correct. | 16:36 |
| sajeesh | yes | 16:36 |
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| vilobhmm11 | so I feel in unconference session having some graphic picture helps to gets the message straighten out | 16:36 |
| schwicke | and my fear is that #1 is causing quite some confusion | 16:36 |
| vilobhmm11 | schwicke : exactly…its not good enough to cover all the use cases we plan to address with nested quota | 16:37 |
| sajeesh | I think #2 will be fine | 16:37 |
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| sajeesh | I mean more than enough | 16:37 |
| schwicke | #action create a more complex graph for the session and provide it to people who are in the session to explain the ideas again | 16:37 |
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| schwicke | volunteers to do that ? | 16:38 |
| sajeesh | I can | 16:38 |
| schwicke | I think such a picture should also pass on the idea of delegation of rights. | 16:38 |
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| sajeesh | I will draft it tomorrow and circulate ...and changes can be made on that | 16:39 |
| vilobhmm11 | sajeesh : if you can create a diagram based of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/209969/6/specs/mitaka/approved/nested-quota-driver-api.rst | 16:39 |
| schwicke | ok ! | 16:39 |
| vilobhmm11 | it would be nice | 16:39 |
| sajeesh | sure ++1 | 16:39 |
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| vilobhmm11 | so that people are in sync with the spec | 16:40 |
| schwicke | #action Sajeesh will create a more complex graph based on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/209969/6/specs/mitaka/approved/nested-quota-driver-api.rst | 16:40 |
| vilobhmm11 | and they don't have to rub there head to understand somethig new and they can refer to spec for greater details | 16:40 |
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| schwicke | exactly | 16:40 |
| sajeesh | +1 | 16:41 |
| schwicke | The other thing on the implementation I'd like to clarify is how the driver(s) are implemented right now | 16:41 |
| schwicke | #topic current implemenation strategy | 16:41 |
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| schwicke | For cinder I understand that the existing driver has been updated while for nova we have a new driver which the service provider can select instead of the default one | 16:42 |
| schwicke | is that correct ? | 16:42 |
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| sajeesh | yes | 16:42 |
| schwicke | and the nova driver re-uses some parts of the old driver. | 16:42 |
| sajeesh | yes | 16:42 |
| schwicke | in order to avoid code doublication. | 16:42 |
| sajeesh | yes | 16:42 |
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| sajeesh | the main difference comes in the calculation of settable quotas | 16:43 |
| sajeesh | minimum and maximum quotas | 16:43 |
| sajeesh | a project can have | 16:43 |
| schwicke | I'm bringing this up because both Tim and Belmiro understood from our IRC meeting with John that we agreed to implement a new driver which supports hierarchical quotas. | 16:43 |
| schwicke | This is what we did, didn't we ? | 16:44 |
| sajeesh | yes | 16:44 |
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| sajeesh | also in the quotas table we added a column for allocated quota | 16:44 |
| sajeesh | that is the only schema change | 16:44 |
| schwicke | though we are extending the database schema of the old driver. So we somehow still depend on it. | 16:45 |
| vilobhmm11 | sajeesh : let me go through settable quotas code and see if we can avoid duplication by creating nestedquotadriver | 16:46 |
| sajeesh | vilobh: thanks | 16:46 |
| vilobhmm11 | schwicke, sajeesh : I would prefer not going into too much details in the un-conference session on the implementation aspect... | 16:46 |
| schwicke | true | 16:46 |
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| vilobhmm11 | that can be sorted out as part of patch submission | 16:46 |
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| schwicke | I was now more aiming at the latest remarks we got from John ... | 16:47 |
| vilobhmm11 | schwicke, sajeesh : getting the idea accepted is what we should target | 16:47 |
| schwicke | +1 | 16:47 |
| sajeesh | +1 | 16:47 |
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| schwicke | as well as explaining the differences to other proposals. | 16:48 |
| vilobhmm11 | schwicke : i will look into nova code to see how we can avoid duplication of code | 16:48 |
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| sajeesh | but, we need to emphazise that not much changes have been done to the existing set up | 16:48 |
| vilobhmm11 | sajesh : ok | 16:49 |
| vilobhmm11 | sajeesh : ^^ | 16:49 |
| schwicke | and pass on the message that it is implemented and ready to be tested from now on | 16:49 |
| sajeesh | yes | 16:49 |
| schwicke | Belmiro asked me for this kind of detail for any discussions. So I will pass on the messages: | 16:50 |
| sajeesh | ok | 16:50 |
| schwicke | just to summerize: the code is ready including functional tests; the implementation is inline with what has been released for cinder; for nova we have a separate driver and the site admin can choose which one to use via a configuration option. In case of root projects only there is no change in behaviour | 16:52 |
| schwicke | OK ? | 16:52 |
| sajeesh | fine | 16:52 |
| vilobhmm11 | schwicke, sajeesh : so in short for the un-conference session #1. prepare graphic picture based of spec (so that idea gets convinced clearly) . For more details people can refer to spec for details #2. Send out a msg that code is up and ready for reviews | 16:52 |
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| sajeesh | yes | 16:52 |
| schwicke | correct. | 16:53 |
| schwicke | and eventually add the more complex example to the BP as well. | 16:53 |
| sajeesh | we have avoided that to avoid confusion | 16:54 |
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| schwicke | That was all I had on the agenda for today. | 16:55 |
| schwicke | #topic AOB | 16:55 |
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| sajeesh | once it is discussed in the summit....we can add it to the spec | 16:55 |
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| schwicke | yes. | 16:55 |
| vilobhmm11 | yes | 16:55 |
| sajeesh | nothing from my side | 16:55 |
| schwicke | Also for the comments of John I think the best is to discuss directly with him at the summit. | 16:56 |
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| sajeesh | I have send one reply ..vilobh can you please check...some help is required | 16:57 |
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| vilobhmm11 | sure | 16:57 |
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| sajeesh | thanks | 16:57 |
| vilobhmm11 | sajeesh : np | 16:57 |
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| schwicke | we could post a comment about the session. | 16:58 |
| sajeesh | ? | 16:58 |
| schwicke | The link to the notepad of the unconference | 16:59 |
| sajeesh | ok | 16:59 |
| schwicke | just a suggestion. | 16:59 |
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| schwicke | time is out :( | 16:59 |
| schwicke | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Oct 23 16:59:44 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hierarchical_multitenancy/2015/hierarchical_multitenancy.2015-10-23-16.19.html | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hierarchical_multitenancy/2015/hierarchical_multitenancy.2015-10-23-16.19.txt | 16:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/hierarchical_multitenancy/2015/hierarchical_multitenancy.2015-10-23-16.19.log.html | 16:59 |
| schwicke | Have a nice weekend! | 16:59 |
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| sajeesh | Good By and Have a Nice weekend | 16:59 |
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| schwicke | let's discuss furhter on skype | 17:00 |
| schwicke | see you! | 17:00 |
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