Thursday, 2015-10-22

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thinrichs	Hi all	00:01
thinrichs	Time for the Congress meeting.	00:01
pballand	hi	00:01
thinrichs	#startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting	00:01
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thinrichs	pballand: hi	00:02
thinrichs	Anyone else here?	00:02
thinrichs	Or are we all getting ready for Tokyo?	00:02
jwy	both :)	00:02
thinrichs	jwy: :)	00:03
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thinrichs	Let's give people a couple of minutes.	00:03
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ekcs	hi	00:03
masahito	I have. Congress night in summit	00:04
masahito	hi.	00:05
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thinrichs	masahito: what do you mean by "Congress night in summit"?	00:05
masahito	sorry, I missed context.	00:05
thinrichs	masahito, ekcs: hi	00:05
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thinrichs	masahito: we were delaying the start by a few minutes since so many people were missing	00:05
thinrichs	But I guess we should start.	00:06
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thinrichs	Obviously the biggest thing is the upcoming summit, so let's start there.	00:06
thinrichs	#topic Summit	00:06
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thinrichs	They say the directions to/from the airport are a bit tricky.	00:07
thinrichs	Here are directions:	00:07
thinrichs	#link https://www.openstack.org/summit/tokyo-2015/tokyo-and-travel/#hotels	00:07
thinrichs	They suggest reading them over before heading to the airport.	00:07
thinrichs	All the sessions have been updated to include a little detail about what we're targeting.	00:08
thinrichs	Search for "congress" no quotes at the schedule page:	00:08
thinrichs	#link 1.https://www.openstack.org/summit/tokyo-2015/schedule/design-summit	00:08
thinrichs	Remember that there's another policy project called Sentinel by the eBay team that is relevant.	00:08
thinrichs	That talk also shows up when you search for Congress.	00:09
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thinrichs	The HOL is all ready, except for copying files to USB drives.	00:10
thinrichs	ekcs: any luck getting those?	00:10
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ekcs	yea i decided to just order them from amazon. expected delivery tmr	00:10
thinrichs	Sounds good.	00:11
thinrichs	Anything other topics for the summit?	00:11
masahito	I have	00:12
masahito	The one I mentioned top of the meeting. 'Congress night' means "Congress folks's dinner" you mentioned previous meeting.	00:13
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thinrichs	masahito: thanks for reminding me.	00:13
thinrichs	Shall we organize a dinner? I think I'm only free Wed night.	00:13
masahito	sure	00:14
thinrichs	(Of course, if another night is better for everyone else, that would work.)	00:14
masahito	If a lot of folks join it, I'll book some bar or dinner.	00:14
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pballand	I think that’s a great idea	00:14
thinrichs	masahito: how would you like to get people to sign up so you know how many?	00:14
masahito	If not a lot, I think we go anywhere we find :)	00:15
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masahito	I plan to make eventvrite to get a head count.	00:16
thinrichs	masahito: great!	00:16
thinrichs	masahito: let us know if you need any help organizing.	00:16
masahito	thinrichs: got it.	00:17
masahito	I'm wondering the dinner time. There are 2 option in Wed.	00:17
masahito	same time with official event or after it.	00:17
thinrichs	Does anyone know if there are parties on Wed night?	00:18
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thinrichs	The Congress stuff should be done by 4:30p, so anytime after 5:30p should be easy for people to make.	00:18
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masahito	There is official event on Wed night. https://openstacksummitoctober2015tokyo.sched.org/event/2d279d60caaa8bceeb6ea520f9976a09?iframe=yes&w=&sidebar=yes&bg=no	00:20
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masahito	I think it's gonna be fun.	00:21
thinrichs	masahito:Agreed.. the HP parties are fun.	00:21
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masahito	ok, I think the time depends on the head count. First of all, I inform it others by ML.	00:22
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thinrichs	masahito: we could have an early and light dinner before the HP party on Wed.	00:23
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masahito	thinrichs: It's good idea.	00:24
thinrichs	masahito: Thur is another possibility. Maybe that's best for everyone (except me).	00:24
thinrichs	masahito: I could hang out on Thu as long as I could.	00:25
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masahito	If the number is not so big, I can manage the time flexibly :)	00:25
thinrichs	masahito: sounds good. Let's continue this over eventbrite.	00:26
thinrichs	Anything else for the summit?	00:26
masahito	thinrichs: yeah	00:26
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thinrichs	Final thought about the summit before moving on: I am EXCITED!	00:27
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masahito	oops, 'yeah' doesn't mean replay for 'Anything else for the summit?'.	00:27
thinrichs	#topic devstack plugin	00:28
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thinrichs	We now have a plugin in master for devstack.	00:28
thinrichs	#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/233347/	00:28
thinrichs	We're not using it to run in gate yet.	00:28
thinrichs	I wanted to do some manual testing before flipping that switch.	00:28
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thinrichs	I'll try to simulate what the gate does locally and let everyone know.	00:29
thinrichs	#topic stable maintenance team	00:29
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thinrichs	I failed to look into signing up the volunteers from last time: masahito, RuiChen, and ramineni	00:30
thinrichs	I'll try to do that before Tokyo as well.	00:30
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thinrichs	#topic python3 and antlr	00:30
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thinrichs	ekcs: any progress on python3 and antlr?	00:30
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ekcs	No update at this point. Talked to John Strassner and everything seems promising.	00:31
thinrichs	Good. Let's keep on that. I don't know if there's some point at which the gate stops supporting python2	00:32
thinrichs	Better not to find out	00:32
thinrichs	#topic distributed architecture	00:32
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thinrichs	I tried to look at our blueprints to see how many we had left.	00:33
thinrichs	#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/congress	00:33
thinrichs	Look for those prefixed with "dist-"	00:33
thinrichs	Most of them still have no status	00:34
thinrichs	Mine included.	00:34
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thinrichs	So if we could all go through there and update the statuses, that'd be great!	00:34
thinrichs	I think most of the APIs are done.	00:34
thinrichs	There's the cross-process DSE.	00:35
thinrichs	pballand: how's that coming?	00:35
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thinrichs	Maybe he stepped away.	00:36
pballand	nothing new to report this week - looking forward to discussing the architecture next week, and still on track for pushing a real prototype for review	00:36
thinrichs	pballand: sounds good	00:37
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thinrichs	There's this datasources blueprint that no one has picked up.	00:37
thinrichs	#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/congress/+spec/dist-datasources-on-bus	00:37
thinrichs	Doesn't sound like a ton of work, but the devil is in the details.	00:38
thinrichs	Basically just assigning sequence numbers to the publications sent by the datasource drivers and having the receivers use those to ensure its getting the right info.	00:39
thinrichs	There are a couple of others too that seem like cleanup and are hard to do right now.	00:40
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thinrichs	That's it for me today. Anyone have anything they want to discuss?	00:40
thinrichs	#topic open discussion]	00:40
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thinrichs	If not, we can end early, and use this time to figure out which talks we want to attend. :)	00:42
ekcs	On swtith to python 3,	00:43
ekcs	I’ve been digging around trying to find some time frames. but so far I haven’t found anything concrete.	00:44
ekcs	the closest thing i’ve found is this: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Python3#Python_3	00:44
ekcs	anyone know if a concrete schedule exists?	00:44
thinrichs	I don't know of a schedule.	00:45
thinrichs	But here's the bit that worried me...	00:45
thinrichs	Python 3.3 support is being dropped since OpenStack Liberty.	00:45
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thinrichs	So they're dropping even 3x versions already	00:46
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ekcs	Ok. Maybe still being wrangled out.	00:46
thinrichs	Possibly. We were supposed to be done with 2 by liberty.	00:46
thinrichs	OK. Let's call it a night.	00:47
thinrichs	I'm looking forward to seeing everyone in Tokyo!	00:47
thinrichs	#endmeeting	00:47
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ekcs	Yup. bye guys!	00:47
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masahito	bye	00:47
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nikhil	#startmeeting openstack search	15:05
openstack	Meeting started Thu Oct 22 15:05:54 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is nikhil. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.	15:05
openstack	Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.	15:05
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: openstack search)"		15:05
openstack	The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_search'	15:05
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nikhil	Courtesy Searchlight meeting reminder in #openstack-meeting-4: lakshmiS, mclaren, nikhil_k, rosmaita, sigmavirus24, TravT, krykowski, david-lyle, wokuma, kragniz, sjmc7, ekarlso, abhijeetm, itisha	15:05
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nikhil	Let's see who all are around.	15:06
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david-lyle	nikhil, wrong room	15:06
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david-lyle	but o/	15:06
nikhil	david-lyle: oh boy! true!	15:06
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nikhil	#info meeting started in wrong room, to be restarted in #openstack-meeting-4	15:07
nikhil	#endmeeting	15:07
*** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings \|\| https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings"		15:07
openstack	Meeting ended Thu Oct 22 15:07:20 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)	15:07
openstack	Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2015/openstack_search.2015-10-22-15.05.html	15:07
openstack	Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2015/openstack_search.2015-10-22-15.05.txt	15:07
openstack	Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_search/2015/openstack_search.2015-10-22-15.05.log.html	15:07
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vishwana_	hello	16:02
sripriya	tacker meeting will be starting in another 10 mins	16:02
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sripriya	sridhar_ram: is on his way to office	16:02
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vishwana_	sripriya, thanks for the update	16:04
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sridhar_ram	#startmeeting tacker	16:09
openstack	Meeting started Thu Oct 22 16:09:07 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sridhar_ram. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.	16:09
openstack	Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.	16:09
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tacker)"		16:09
openstack	The meeting name has been set to 'tacker'	16:09
sridhar_ram	#topic Roll Call	16:09
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sridhar_ram	who is here for tacker?	16:09
s3wong	hello	16:09
sripriya	o/	16:09
* sridhar_ram sorry for the delay...		16:09
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tbh	o/	16:09
sridhar_ram	#topic Agenda	16:10
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sridhar_ram	#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Tacker#Meeting_Oct_22.2C_2015	16:10
sridhar_ram	anything else beyond this to discuss today ?	16:10
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sridhar_ram	#topic Announcements	16:11
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sridhar_ram	Mitaka Summit next week..most tacker devs will be away for the summit	16:11
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sridhar_ram	lets cancel next week's IRC meeting	16:12
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sripriya	+1	16:12
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sridhar_ram	going forward I also have an ongoing clash on this exact slot to attend TOSCA TC meeting...	16:12
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s3wong	sridhar_ram: really? you don't want to have us sitting in front of computer late at night in Tokyo?	16:12
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sridhar_ram	s3wong: :)	16:12
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sridhar_ram	I would like to move it to another slot...	16:13
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sridhar_ram	let me start a doodle poll and also discuss f2f next week	16:13
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s3wong	sridhar_ram: yeah, with all these new projects, finding an available timeslot and channel that works for everyone would be challenging...	16:13
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sridhar_ram	s3wong: true, it is going to be a nightmare, frankly..	16:14
sridhar_ram	But TOSCA TC mtg is off great value for Tacker team and I don't have control to change its timing :)	16:14
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s3wong	sridhar_ram: last time I did it (just to move it earlier by an hour), it took a while to locate the slot/channel	16:14
sridhar_ram	s3wong: need you are magic this time as well :)	16:15
sridhar_ram	s/you/your/	16:15
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sridhar_ram	Mitaka Summit .. here is the plan for Tacker related events	16:16
sridhar_ram	#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Tacker/MitakaSummit	16:16
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sridhar_ram	please promote it to your nfv-peeps to get the relevant audience	16:17
sridhar_ram	tbh: you will be missed in next week's f2f mtg.. will try to get a mtg summary in the etherpad	16:17
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sridhar_ram	here at #linkhttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-tacker-design-summit	16:18
sridhar_ram	#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-tacker-design-summit	16:18
tbh	sridhar_ram, yeah, thanks	16:18
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sridhar_ram	bobh is now officially part of tacker-core team! welcome bobh!	16:19
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sridhar_ram	looking forward to see what would be the icebreaker +2/+A from you :)	16:19
sripriya	congratulations bobh!	16:19
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s3wong	or his first -2 :-)	16:19
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sridhar_ram	s3wong: damn.. don't plan ideas	16:20
sripriya	lol	16:20
tbh	congrats bobh	16:20
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sridhar_ram	#topic Bugs	16:21
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sridhar_ram	Lets zoom in high priority bugs...	16:21
sridhar_ram	#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tacker/+bugs?field.tag=liberty-critical&orderby=status&start=0	16:21
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sridhar_ram	we have 5 open that are marked 'liberty-critical'	16:21
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sridhar_ram	lets discuss few of them...	16:22
sridhar_ram	https://bugs.launchpad.net/tacker/+bug/1506111	16:22
openstack	Launchpad bug 1506111 in tacker "Unable to configure VDU using openwrt mgmt driver" [High,In progress] - Assigned to bharaththiruveedula (bharath-ves)	16:22
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sridhar_ram	tbh: can you give a quick update ? this is marked as high (which I agree)	16:22
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tbh	sridhar_ram, updated the patch by removing the code in create()	16:23
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tbh	sridhar_ram, but need the code in update() , because we need the device['attributes']['config'] in openwrt	16:24
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tbh	sridhar_ram, which we are setting in update() in heat.py	16:24
sridhar_ram	tbh: okay.. leave that in, with your current change does the firewall config gets applied in all scenarios ?	16:25
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sridhar_ram	config in file & direct-input and both vnf-create & vnf-update ?	16:25
tbh	sridhar_ram, yes, I have tested in all four cases	16:25
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sridhar_ram	tbh: lets plan to wrap this up & merge immediately after this call...	16:25
sripriya	sridhar_ram: in the update case, does it need to handle the original config attribute already being specified?	16:25
sripriya	can vnf-update just provide a new config for a vnf instance or should always update whatever is the current config on the vnf	16:26
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sridhar_ram	sripriya: I think there is a "diff" logic in the code path to see if the config has changed..	16:27
sripriya	the heat update logic is basically doing a diff of that	16:27
sripriya	sridhar_ram: yes	16:27
sridhar_ram	sripriya: that's a reasonable logic to leave it in place.. not sure if that got validated though	16:27
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sripriya	sridhar_ram: ok, tbh: can you try the workflow if possible?	16:28
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sridhar_ram	sripriya: let tbh wrap the current set of mgmt-driver use case..	16:28
sridhar_ram	we can take up other scenarios as separate effort	16:28
sripriya	sridhar_ram: sure	16:28
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tbh	sripriya, sure	16:28
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sridhar_ram	we badly need functional tests in the area of mgmt_driver.. post summit we need to get few things in place	16:29
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sridhar_ram	tbh: sripriya: again, just to be clear .. lets not add config "diff" to the scope of the current patchset in flight...lets take it up in a separate patchset	16:30
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sripriya	sridhar_ram: ack	16:30
sridhar_ram	tbh: make sense ?	16:30
tbh	sridhar_ram, you mean not to change in update()	16:30
sridhar_ram	yes...	16:31
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tbh	sridhar_ram, okay	16:31
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sridhar_ram	anything else to discuss on mgmt_driver front ?	16:31
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sridhar_ram	lets talk about issues in health monitor...	16:32
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sridhar_ram	there is an intermittent gate issue w/ health-mon	16:32
* sridhar_ram looking up gerrit		16:33
sridhar_ram	#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/234543/	16:33
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sridhar_ram	I don't think there is a bug opened yet...	16:34
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sridhar_ram	sripriya did some investigation... looks like a humongous tacker-heat-nova-neutron issue	16:35
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sridhar_ram	sripriya: did I sum it up correctly ?	16:35
sridhar_ram	;-)	16:35
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sripriya	sridhar_ram: yeah just to add in, related to the timing of ports addition and deletion between neutron and nova	16:36
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sripriya	sridhar_ram: currently doing some stress testing by adding a sleep of 3 sec between creation and deletion	16:38
sripriya	sridhar_ram: that issue is not observed yet	16:38
sridhar_ram	bobh: we need you are guidance in the respawn logic to see if anything can be altered in the spawn-new & delete-old sequence to avoid this	16:38
sridhar_ram	sripriya: that's a good sign!	16:38
sripriya	sridhar_ram: the currently logic is not altered heavily except adding a sleep	16:39
sridhar_ram	sripriya: that's good...	16:39
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bobh	sridhar_ram: sorry I'm late, minor catastrophe here	16:39
sridhar_ram	bobh: hi there, np.. hope things are fine	16:40
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bobh	sridhar_ram: I can take a look at respawn logic and we can discuss next week	16:40
bobh	sridhar_ram: OpenStack doesn't like losing power....	16:40
sripriya	sridhar_ram: not sure, why nova picks up the port deletion of old instance as a new network event on the new instance	16:41
sridhar_ram	bobh: OpenStack in general doesn't like corner-cases ;-)	16:41
sridhar_ram	power-outage is a corner case	16:41
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sripriya	even though instance_ids are different	16:41
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bobh	sridhar_ram: it's a big corner...	16:41
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sridhar_ram	bobh: yep.. your restartability patch is a good one..	16:41
sridhar_ram	bobh: I remember fixing things in neutron vpnaas for neutron-server restart...	16:42
bobh	sridhar_ram: catching up - not surprised there are issues with timing between nova/neutron	16:42
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sridhar_ram	another issue that showed up is a when both mgmt-driver and health-mon are enabled... respawn doesn't happen	16:42
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sridhar_ram	_mark_device_dead() fails w/ "no device" and the whole respawn logic is skipped	16:43
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bobh	sridhar_ram: sounds like a requirements issue :-)	16:43
sridhar_ram	bobh: :)	16:43
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sridhar_ram	so to sum up.. we have 3 critical issues...	16:44
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sridhar_ram	1) mgmt_driver changes from tbh - looks almost done	16:44
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sridhar_ram	2) intermittent gate issue - promising hack from sripriya	16:44
sridhar_ram	3) mgmt_driver & respawn issue - needs further investigation	16:45
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sridhar_ram	I'll pull a stable/liberty EOD (Pacific) .. if we can get (1) and (2) in it will be great	16:46
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bobh	sridhar_ram: I'll take a look at (3) on the plane	16:46
sripriya	bobh: :-)	16:47
sridhar_ram	bobh: alright.. that's sounds like a awsm plan.. sipping a glass of wine on the side I believe ?	16:47
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bobh	sridhar_ram: I think it's saki on ANA	16:48
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sridhar_ram	oh yeah, looking fwd for Sake	16:48
sridhar_ram	anything else on bugs?	16:48
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sridhar_ram	#topic Documentation	16:49
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sridhar_ram	we now have tox docs jobs enabled for tacker...	16:49
sridhar_ram	all the rst files are build nicely into html files	16:49
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sridhar_ram	See #link http://docs-draft.openstack.org/85/238385/1/check/gate-tacker-docs/d4d8065//doc/build/html/	16:49
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bobh	sridhar_ram: cool!	16:50
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sridhar_ram	this needs to be posted to readthedocs.org..	16:50
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sridhar_ram	there are jobs in project-config that I'm still fumbling with...	16:50
sridhar_ram	sripriya: any updates from your side on docs ?	16:51
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sripriya	sridhar_ram: i believe that is it, i need to start working on deployment guide now that we found a place for tacker docs	16:51
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sridhar_ram	sripriya: thanks..	16:52
sridhar_ram	I think this would be reasonable short-term solution to host tacker docs...	16:53
sridhar_ram	... in readthedocs.org	16:53
sridhar_ram	unfortunately tacker.readthedocs.org is taken by another project..	16:53
sridhar_ram	need to find another URL home	16:53
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sridhar_ram	anything else on docs ?	16:53
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sripriya	sridhar_ram: should we include the rest of .rst files in devref in index.rst	16:55
s3wong	5 minutes...	16:55
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sridhar_ram	sripriya: I've https://review.openstack.org/238385 out for index.rst and other cleanups	16:56
sridhar_ram	#topic Open Discussion	16:56
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sridhar_ram	Xin_: ping	16:56
sripriya	sridhar_ram: cool	16:56
sridhar_ram	Xin_: anyone from Comcast planning to stop by Tacker BoF or developer meetup ?	16:56
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sridhar_ram	nothing else from my side.. for the folks traveling.. have a safe flight..see you in Tokyo!	16:58
vishwana_	see you all in Tokyo soon	16:58
sripriya	see you all tackers!	16:58
Xin_	I do not think we will have anyone there	16:58
s3wong	see (most of) you guys in Tokyo next week!	16:58
Xin_	will try to make it next time	16:58
sridhar_ram	Xin_: np.. we can sync up post-summit	16:58
Xin_	sure..	16:59
sridhar_ram	Sayonara!	16:59
sridhar_ram	#endmeeting	16:59
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