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| dhellmann | #startmeeting releaseteam | 13:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 9 13:01:53 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dhellmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 13:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'releaseteam' | 13:01 |
| ttx | o/ | 13:01 |
| dhellmann | courtesy ping for ttx, dims, lifeless | 13:02 |
| ttx | I'll let you mix | 13:02 |
| dhellmann | I started an agenda in the calendar portion of https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-relmgt-plan | 13:02 |
| dhellmann | and ttx added some items to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Release_Cycle_Management | 13:02 |
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| dhellmann | ok, starting with meeting time | 13:03 |
| dhellmann | #topic meeting time | 13:03 |
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| dhellmann | I'd like to push this back an hour, if we can? with the daylight savings time shift, it's a bit early here | 13:03 |
| ttx | Works for me | 13:04 |
| dhellmann | ok, I'll update the meeting schedule in the wiki and eavesdrop | 13:04 |
| ttx | #agreed meeting time change 1400 UTC Mondays | 13:04 |
| dhellmann | thanks | 13:04 |
| dhellmann | #topic release notes vs. deliverables | 13:05 |
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| dhellmann | I saw the question from SergeyLukjanov in #openstack-release | 13:05 |
| SergeyLukjanov | o/ | 13:05 |
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| ttx | It feels like a given deliverable should have a given release notes doc | 13:05 |
| dhellmann | I expected each repo to have reno installed, but I see your point about one set of notes per deliverable | 13:05 |
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| ttx | since that's the same "release" | 13:05 |
| ttx | maybe it's just about combining things from multiple repos | 13:06 |
| ttx | into a single doc | 13:06 |
| ttx | so they would still all have reno | 13:06 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | probable reno support building release notes from several repositories? and conf located in a "main" deliverable repo? | 13:06 |
| ttx | but reno could generate "deliverable release notes" given a list of projects ? | 13:06 |
| dhellmann | through reno, or when we push the HTML to docs.openstack.org? | 13:06 |
| ttx | dhellmann: I guess the important part is to have a single something we can point users to when we do a release announcement | 13:07 |
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| dhellmann | how ugly would it be to simply put the notes in one repo this cycle? | 13:08 |
| ttx | i.e. Sahara 6.0.0 is out, here are the release notes, here are the tarballs | 13:08 |
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| dhellmann | I'm not sure the sphinx stuff in the releases repo supports multiple deliverables right now, either | 13:08 |
| ttx | dhellmann: that would separate the notes change from the change itself... apart from that, not too ugly I suppose | 13:08 |
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| ttx | it just makes one of the repos "special" | 13:09 |
| SergeyLukjanov | IMO it's not so ugly to store all release notes in single repo | 13:09 |
| dhellmann | right, longer term we'd want to have them closer to the code, but short term we have other things we have to implement this cycle | 13:09 |
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| ttx | we haven't that many deliverables anyway | 13:09 |
| ttx | neutron I expect would suffer the most | 13:09 |
| ttx | since the -aas teams are pretty separate | 13:10 |
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| dhellmann | I think the neutron teams have started adding reno to each repo, let me look at the list of patches again | 13:10 |
| ttx | so having them contribute release notes to the other repo would certainly be more painful than for sahara or manila | 13:10 |
| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:add-reno,n,z | 13:10 |
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| dhellmann | I see a patch for neutron and networking-cisco | 13:11 |
| ttx | OK, let's just say that deliverables use release notes in a main repo | 13:11 |
| ttx | and punt that to next | 13:12 |
| dhellmann | yeah, let's give this more thought but do the simple thing for now | 13:12 |
| dhellmann | #action dhellmann follow-up to reno thread on ML with instructions for multi-repo deliverable projects | 13:12 |
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| dhellmann | #topic governance reviews | 13:13 |
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| dhellmann | Update Octavia release model: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226933/ | 13:13 |
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| ttx | that one sounds pretty good to me | 13:14 |
| dhellmann | that one has sign-off from the ptl and both of us, so I think we should go ahead and merge it | 13:14 |
| ttx | reok, pushing it now | 13:14 |
| dhellmann | Make ironic-inspector and its client release:managed https://review.openstack.org/#/c/237611/ | 13:14 |
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| ttx | how is the ironic release liaison work going so far ? | 13:15 |
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| ttx | I feel like they are on top of it | 13:15 |
| dhellmann | they've been fairly responsive | 13:15 |
| ttx | and they already have managed stuff | 13:16 |
| dhellmann | yeah, that was key for me | 13:16 |
| ttx | so I'd be +1 on it, if you're comfortable with the load | 13:16 |
| dhellmann | well, under the new "we're not going to come looking for you" system, it shouldn't add to much | 13:17 |
| ttx | basically for project teams we already handle and that have responsive liaisons, I'm +1. I'm +0 on everything else until we nail the automation | 13:17 |
| dhellmann | I agree | 13:17 |
| dhellmann | ok, let's take the change and add the 2 projects | 13:17 |
| ttx | ok, approving now | 13:17 |
| dhellmann | er, deliverables :-) | 13:17 |
| ttx | done | 13:18 |
| dhellmann | #topic progress on relmgt-plan | 13:18 |
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| dhellmann | we have a few sub-items here | 13:18 |
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| ttx | yes, let's start with those | 13:19 |
| dhellmann | first, based on some discussion in one of the team meetings I noticed last week, I realized we haven't updated the liaison duties in the project team guide to reflect the changes in our use of LP | 13:19 |
| dhellmann | maybe we should talk about that last item, "expand on 'getting rid of LP for change management within projects'" a bit before we talk about doc changes | 13:20 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: I think that was your item, what did you feel needed to be expanded? | 13:21 |
| ttx | when I reviewed the paragraph last week I wasn't sure we covered all the bases | 13:21 |
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| ttx | it's not a clear set of actions | 13:22 |
| ttx | like "we might be breaking some statistics gathering tools by not targeting bugs to milestones" | 13:22 |
| ttx | should really be "look up tool X and check of we are going to break it" | 13:23 |
| ttx | i.e. turn the discussion into a series of actions | 13:23 |
| dhellmann | more than stackalytics? | 13:23 |
| ttx | probably not | 13:23 |
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| dhellmann | who owns that code? | 13:24 |
| * dhellmann checks gerrit | 13:24 | |
| dhellmann | https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/183,members | 13:25 |
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| ttx | what did you mean by "options: -direct-release) like in infra-manual ??" | 13:29 |
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| dhellmann | I don't know what that is. I probably was typing as someone was talking in the room. | 13:30 |
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| ttx | ok, I think the action plan is clearer now | 13:32 |
| dhellmann | yeah, that looks much better | 13:33 |
| ttx | ok, we can move on | 13:33 |
| dhellmann | the release tools are still creating and updating milestones, should we change that before M1? | 13:33 |
| ttx | I'm unsure which tools we'll be using for M1 | 13:34 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I was thinking of the post-versioning script we use for libraries | 13:34 |
| dhellmann | ok, good | 13:35 |
| ttx | I'll take the release tooling analysis. I removed myself from the stackalytics check | 13:35 |
| dhellmann | should we roll the liaison duties changes into this action list? | 13:35 |
| dhellmann | I'll ping the stackalytics folks and ask them to figure it out | 13:36 |
| ttx | it's more a "new model for milestones" thing I think | 13:36 |
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| dhellmann | do you want to look at that list of duties, or shall I? | 13:37 |
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| dhellmann | I'll take it | 13:38 |
| ttx | please do | 13:38 |
| dhellmann | ok, let's talk about splitting off the stable team | 13:38 |
| dhellmann | at the summit we discussed recommending that they stand as a separate team | 13:38 |
| dhellmann | do we have enough people involved to make that work? | 13:38 |
| ttx | I think we do. I feel like the duties are now well separated with the release team | 13:39 |
| dhellmann | I did not notice a lot of involvement from folks I thought were stable maintainers on the mailing list thread about extending the kilo support window | 13:39 |
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| ttx | yeah. I fear there is a bit of chicken-and-egg though. They don't really own that piece | 13:40 |
| dhellmann | yeah | 13:40 |
| ttx | So they would start by being the stable branch policy custodians | 13:40 |
| ttx | and hopefully grow into owning the health of the branches themselves | 13:40 |
| dhellmann | good point | 13:40 |
| Jokke_ | dhellmann: do we actually know if we have enough folks or not before splitting the team. IMHO the stable group is really suppressed unless really needed anyways | 13:40 |
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| dhellmann | Jokke_ : that was my initial question | 13:41 |
| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/120,members | 13:41 |
| ttx | well, the thing is, the release team doesn't handle the stable team. So it's not a "split" | 13:41 |
| dhellmann | lots of names on that list, but I'm not sure how many are active | 13:41 |
| dhellmann | ok, poor choice of words | 13:41 |
| ttx | I guess the question is more: do we have a stable team | 13:41 |
| dhellmann | they're under the release ptl now, though, and we want *that* to change | 13:41 |
| ttx | if it needs to be under life support under release management to survive, I'd say it needs to die | 13:42 |
| dhellmann | well, yes, identifying the active team members is a good place to start | 13:42 |
| Jokke_ | yeah ... currently we do not have stable team, but bunch of folks who work either under the projects or rel management | 13:42 |
| ttx | I feel like we have prevented them from owning the issue though | 13:42 |
| Jokke_ | ttx: ++ | 13:42 |
| ttx | mostly my fault, having a foot in two places | 13:42 |
| ttx | If they had their team and PTL, they could also justify the resources | 13:43 |
| dhellmann | yeah, looking at this list I think some are actually fairly active these days | 13:43 |
| ttx | rather than be the 4th wheel of release management | 13:43 |
| Jokke_ | ttx: I think that would help | 13:43 |
| dhellmann | right, so what's the first step? | 13:43 |
| dhellmann | s/first/next | 13:43 |
| ttx | dhellmann: I'll propose it this week to the list | 13:43 |
| dhellmann | k | 13:43 |
| ttx | see who steps up | 13:43 |
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| dhellmann | #action ttx propose stable maintenance team be set up with its own PTL | 13:44 |
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| ttx | it might actually be good timing with that stable discussion | 13:44 |
| dhellmann | serendipity for the win | 13:44 |
| ttx | because seriously, the gap between the number of people needing those branches and the number of people stepping up to help is huge | 13:44 |
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| * dhellmann nods | 13:45 | |
| ttx | anyway, will sned that this week and we'll see where it goes | 13:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | just to check, we said the projects own their own stable branch releases at the moment? | 13:45 |
| ttx | I'm mostly trying to refocus the release team or release things | 13:45 |
| ttx | on* | 13:45 |
| ttx | rather than make us decide for a bunch of other folks on stable matters | 13:46 |
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| dhellmann | johnthetubaguy : yes, we're talking about the overall stable maintenance team that manages the policy, etc. rather than landing patches, per se | 13:46 |
| ttx | and preventing them from stepping up | 13:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | dhellmann: cool, makes sense | 13:46 |
| dhellmann | ttx: ++ | 13:46 |
| ttx | dhellmann, johnthetubaguy: well ideally that team would grow people that would maintain the stable branches too | 13:46 |
| ttx | but one step at a time :) | 13:47 |
| dhellmann | ttx: sure | 13:47 |
| johnthetubaguy | ttx: yeah, good call | 13:47 |
| ttx | At this stage I just want to empower the few people that help | 13:47 |
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| dhellmann | let's move on, one or two more things to cover | 13:48 |
| ttx | dhellmann: ack | 13:48 |
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| dhellmann | for "next steps on automation" I think I just need to work with fungi on the spec | 13:48 |
| dhellmann | we did mention some other changes to existing tools during the LP discussion | 13:48 |
| dhellmann | I'm going to try to focus on the spec this week, and leave the code changes for late in the week or early next | 13:49 |
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| dhellmann | for the reno rollout, we need a publishing job set up to copy files from project builds up to docs.openstack.org/releasenotes (the place loquacities and ajeager agreed on) | 13:50 |
| ttx | ok | 13:50 |
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| dhellmann | I added that as an action under "enable new model for milestones" | 13:51 |
| dhellmann | ok, I think that's it for the agenda | 13:52 |
| dhellmann | #topic open discussion | 13:52 |
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| ttx | ack, nothing else for me | 13:52 |
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| dhellmann | I noticed some of the reno-related tasks are duplicated, so I'll go through the plan and clean that up a bit | 13:52 |
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| dhellmann | the feature stuff related to version handling, in particular, shows up twice | 13:53 |
| dhellmann | other than that, I think we're done | 13:53 |
| ttx | agreed | 13:54 |
| dhellmann | good, we can go ahead and sign off a bit early | 13:54 |
| dhellmann | thanks, ttx! | 13:54 |
| dhellmann | #endmeeting | 13:54 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 9 13:54:18 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:54 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2015/releaseteam.2015-11-09-13.01.html | 13:54 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2015/releaseteam.2015-11-09-13.01.txt | 13:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2015/releaseteam.2015-11-09-13.01.log.html | 13:54 |
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| boris-42 | #startmeeting Rally | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 9 14:01:32 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is boris-42. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
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| boris-42 | ping2everybody | 14:01 |
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| cjmarti2 | hi | 14:01 |
| boris-42 | cjmarti2: hi | 14:02 |
| boris-42 | ping rvasilets | 14:02 |
| ikhudoshyn | o/ | 14:02 |
| temujin_ | hi | 14:02 |
| rvasilets | o/ | 14:02 |
| e0ne | hi | 14:02 |
| amaretskiy | hi | 14:03 |
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| boris-42 | okay let's start | 14:04 |
| boris-42 | Meetings agenda is here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Rally | 14:05 |
| boris-42 | seems like we have only one topic there | 14:05 |
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| yfried | hi | 14:05 |
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| boris-42 | #topic [cjmarti] Blueprint discussion. Add the hability to re-run the tempest tests that failed in the last test execution. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/rally/+spec/re-run-failed-tempest-tests | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "[cjmarti] Blueprint discussion. Add the hability to re-run the tempest tests that failed in the last test execution. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/rally/+spec/re-run-failed-tempest-tests (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 14:05 | |
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| boris-42 | cjmarti2: you are welcome | 14:06 |
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| cjmarti2 | ok, basically I noticed test repository (testr) has this option already but when running rally verify start you cannot use it so the idea is to add this option | 14:07 |
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| boris-42 | cjmarti2: like add extra argument to "rally verify start "? | 14:07 |
| cjmarti2 | yes... it would be rally verify start --failing | 14:08 |
| boris-42 | cjmarti2: yep just finish reading BP | 14:08 |
| cjmarti2 | which will rerun failed test cases from previous execution | 14:08 |
| boris-42 | cjmarti2: so seems like not super hard task | 14:08 |
| boris-42 | cjmarti2: and seemslike quite useful | 14:08 |
| cjmarti2 | :D cool, I'm on it, I'll update the whiteboard | 14:10 |
| boris-42 | сcjmarti2 so I believe you can propose the patch and we will merge it=) | 14:10 |
| yfried | boris-42: cjmarti2: I've said long ago that we need to integrate testr python module instead of bash execution | 14:10 |
| rvasilets | rally verify start --failing => rally verify start --failed | 14:10 |
| rvasilets | no&) | 14:11 |
| ikhudoshyn | rvasilets: +1 | 14:11 |
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| ikhudoshyn | cjmarti2: just curious, will we re-verify the very latest 'verify' or the latest for the current deployment? | 14:13 |
| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: so we should dot the latest for the current deployment | 14:13 |
| ikhudoshyn | boris-42: sounds reasonable | 14:14 |
| ikhudoshyn | move on? | 14:14 |
| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: yep | 14:15 |
| boris-42 | #topic [ikhudoshyn] Distributed load generation spec | 14:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "[ikhudoshyn] Distributed load generation spec (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 14:15 | |
| boris-42 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/236979/ | 14:15 |
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| ikhudoshyn | I've just addressed all points that were available by now | 14:15 |
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| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: do you have some news related to this stuff? | 14:15 |
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| ikhudoshyn | we've merged one patch (about 'merging lists') -- auxiliary for distributed runner, another one is in the pipeline | 14:16 |
| ikhudoshyn | now I'm working on RunnerAgent code | 14:17 |
| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: so the one question | 14:17 |
| ikhudoshyn | yes? | 14:17 |
| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: is it possible to have always TaskEngine -> RunnerAgent | 14:17 |
| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: or we need to have 2 different RunnerAgents ? | 14:17 |
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| ikhudoshyn | well I thought that DistributedRunner will provire the same interface as RunnerAgent | 14:18 |
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| ikhudoshyn | so in the case of only one node, yes, it is TaskEngine->RunnerAgent | 14:19 |
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| ikhudoshyn | did I answer yr question? | 14:19 |
| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: so that's a bit nasty architecture.. | 14:19 |
| ikhudoshyn | y? | 14:19 |
| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: yes | 14:20 |
| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: we will need to have in TaskEngine if condtion | 14:20 |
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| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: if distributed: do_one_agent() else do_antoher_agent() | 14:20 |
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| ikhudoshyn | not sure.. | 14:20 |
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| ikhudoshyn | a think we should always store chunks of TaskResult in DB | 14:21 |
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| ikhudoshyn | if so, somebody would gather individual TRs into chunks | 14:21 |
| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: how that is related to what I have just said? | 14:21 |
| ikhudoshyn | that's what RunnerAgentDoes | 14:21 |
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| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: RunnerAgent should just provide list of chunks to engine (no?) | 14:22 |
| ikhudoshyn | or we should teach TaskEngine to do it | 14:22 |
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| ikhudoshyn | boris-42: exactly | 14:22 |
| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: I thought RunnerAgent will just provide chunks | 14:22 |
| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: and slas | 14:22 |
| ikhudoshyn | yes | 14:22 |
| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: so it will be nice to think a bit more and try to avoid 2 runner agents | 14:23 |
| ikhudoshyn | boris-42: oh, do you mean local/remote RunnerAgent separation? | 14:23 |
| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: or merge runner agents and runners | 14:23 |
| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: so runner will be able to rewrite how runner agents methods works | 14:23 |
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| ikhudoshyn | boris-42: that is Runner will return chunks instead individual results? | 14:24 |
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| ikhudoshyn | for me functionalities of RunnerAgent and Runner are rather orthogonal | 14:25 |
| ikhudoshyn | Runners are plugins and RunnerAgent is not | 14:26 |
| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: the problem here is that we are adding more levels | 14:26 |
| ikhudoshyn | yes | 14:26 |
| ikhudoshyn | that's true | 14:26 |
| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: and this time RunnerAgent and RunnerDistributedAgent doesn't fit nicely if you think | 14:26 |
| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: like in engine we will need to pick RunnerAgent or RunnerDistributedAgent and that will look like hack | 14:27 |
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| ikhudoshyn | boris-42: I see | 14:27 |
| boris-42 | e.g. person is specifing type "distributed" and "TaskEngine" not "RunnerAgent" in this case will pick the proper Runner class | 14:27 |
| ikhudoshyn | looks like we should try adding this RunnerAgent functionality into base Runner class | 14:28 |
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| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: then you don't need to reinvent anything and add any other layers | 14:28 |
| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: you will specify name of runner and it will be picked by engine | 14:28 |
| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: I am not sure that this is ideal solution, but at least we can make some diagram that shows how architecture will look like in such case | 14:29 |
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| ikhudoshyn | boris-42: I'll think if we could make Runner 'smarter' and if so, I'll update diargam | 14:30 |
| ikhudoshyn | and spec | 14:30 |
| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: thanks | 14:31 |
| boris-42 | anybody else does have any questions? no? | 14:31 |
| mbonell_ | Me | 14:31 |
| ikhudoshyn | ur welcome) | 14:32 |
| mbonell_ | Just a friendly reminder of my patch is ready for code review :) | 14:32 |
| rvasilets | ) | 14:32 |
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| ikhudoshyn | mbonell_: sure, I just guess boris-42 was asking if there are questions on the topic) | 14:33 |
| rvasilets | I think that Boris talked about questions related to distributed runner) | 14:33 |
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| mbonell_ | Oops, sorry | 14:34 |
| ikhudoshyn | mbonell_: but pls add link, so that we won't miss it | 14:34 |
| boris-42 | mbonell_: thanks for reminder we will try to review it | 14:34 |
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| boris-42 | okay let's move to next topic | 14:35 |
| boris-42 | #topic [amaretskiy] Propose to increase minimal Jinja2 version in requirements | 14:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "[amaretskiy] Propose to increase minimal Jinja2 version in requirements (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 14:35 | |
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| boris-42 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/240556/ | 14:35 |
| mbonell_ | Thanks, yes | 14:35 |
| amaretskiy | jinja2 version in requirements has potential python3 support issue | 14:35 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: so curently rally doesn't work with python3? | 14:36 |
| amaretskiy | requirements.txt - version >= 2.6 | 14:36 |
| mbonell_ | https://review.openstack.org/240042 | 14:36 |
| amaretskiy | it works | 14:36 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: hm didn't mention before... | 14:36 |
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| amaretskiy | latest release - 2.8 | 14:36 |
| amaretskiy | so everyone i sprobably using 2.8 | 14:36 |
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| amaretskiy | because jinja2 requirements loads latest release | 14:37 |
| amaretskiy | py3 support starts from 2.7 | 14:37 |
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| boris-42 | amaretskiy: okay seems like reasonable change | 14:37 |
| amaretskiy | so we have 2.8 release available (the best and works perfect) | 14:37 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: I hope dhellmann will merge that one-) | 14:37 |
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| amaretskiy | yes, change is reasonable | 14:37 |
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| amaretskiy | but | 14:37 |
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| amaretskiy | one question | 14:37 |
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| amaretskiy | maybe request version >=2.8 ? | 14:38 |
| amaretskiy | set latest release in requirements? | 14:38 |
| amaretskiy | not 2.7 ? | 14:38 |
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| boris-42 | amaretskiy: yep you can do that as well | 14:38 |
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| amaretskiy | okay, I will update patch in minutes | 14:38 |
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| amaretskiy | eom | 14:38 |
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| boris-42 | ok | 14:39 |
| boris-42 | #topic [rvasilets] Do we have volunteers to fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/rally/+bug/1420755 bug? | 14:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "[rvasilets] Do we have volunteers to fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/rally/+bug/1420755 bug? (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 14:40 | |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1420755 in Rally "nova utils _boot_server function does not handle multiple networks" [Low,In progress] | 14:40 |
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| boris-42 | rvasilets: I believe you should ping chenli tomorrow | 14:40 |
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| boris-42 | aobut this | 14:40 |
| rvasilets | Okey | 14:40 |
| rvasilets | But if someone like this bug then you could manage it https://bugs.launchpad.net/rally/+bug/1420755 | 14:41 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1420755 in Rally "nova utils _boot_server function does not handle multiple networks" [Low,In progress] | 14:41 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets: by "you" you mean "me" ? | 14:42 |
| rvasilets | no | 14:42 |
| rvasilets | Community | 14:42 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets: then you should say not "you" but "one" | 14:42 |
| boris-42 | =) | 14:42 |
| rvasilets | Ok | 14:42 |
| boris-42 | #topic Upcoming release | 14:43 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Upcoming release (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 14:43 | |
| boris-42 | Okay team, I would like to finish work on the CTRL+C and we will cut the release | 14:43 |
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| boris-42 | so I hope it will happen tomorrow | 14:43 |
| boris-42 | that's all from my side | 14:44 |
| boris-42 | #topic Open Discussion | 14:44 |
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| boris-42 | does anybody has something to discuss? | 14:44 |
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| ikhudoshyn | nothing more from my side | 14:44 |
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| amaretskiy | one small note from me | 14:45 |
| amaretskiy | please keep your eye on patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/237632/ | 14:45 |
| amaretskiy | this spect will be updated soon | 14:45 |
| amaretskiy | *spec | 14:45 |
| amaretskiy | eom | 14:46 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: ok | 14:46 |
| amaretskiy | also I've updated patch with jinja version | 14:46 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: what about testing that cleanup works well? | 14:46 |
| amaretskiy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/240556/ | 14:46 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: are you workin gon that as well? | 14:46 |
| amaretskiy | boris-42: this is in progress... | 14:46 |
| amaretskiy | yes, I'm working on checking cleanup | 14:47 |
| amaretskiy | there will be updates soon | 14:47 |
| amaretskiy | eom | 14:47 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: ok great | 14:48 |
| ikhudoshyn | a kind reminder https://review.openstack.org/#/c/238547/ | 14:48 |
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| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: okay I'll do the reivew asap | 14:48 |
| boris-42 | okay let's end meeting | 14:49 |
| boris-42 | see you next week | 14:49 |
| boris-42 | #endmeeting | 14:49 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:49 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 9 14:49:19 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:49 |
| ikhudoshyn | bye | 14:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2015/rally.2015-11-09-14.01.html | 14:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2015/rally.2015-11-09-14.01.txt | 14:49 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2015/rally.2015-11-09-14.01.log.html | 14:49 |
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| pabelanger | o/ | 15:02 |
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| pabelanger | Is there a third party meeting today? | 15:02 |
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| pabelanger | anteaya: Did I get the time wrong? | 15:03 |
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| asselin__ | hi | 15:04 |
| pabelanger | asselin__: what is the different between this meeting and the Third Party Working Group Meeting you do? | 15:05 |
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| anteaya | #startmeeting third-party | 15:06 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 9 15:06:14 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:06 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:06 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 15:06 |
| anteaya | sorry I'm late | 15:06 |
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| anteaya | pabelanger: you are correct, the time is right | 15:06 |
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| pabelanger | anteaya: thanks | 15:06 |
| anteaya | I had to get my room key re-keyed | 15:06 |
| anteaya | asselin__: morning | 15:06 |
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| asselin__ | pabelanger, this one is for all 3rd party folks, and more ops-related. The other one is mainly for those actively working on patches/specs. | 15:07 |
| asselin__ | anteaya, good morning | 15:07 |
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| anteaya | is anyone else here this morning in addition to pabelanger and asselin__? | 15:07 |
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| anteaya | and any thoughts on what we should discuss today? | 15:08 |
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| * pabelanger will wait until open disussions | 15:08 | |
| anteaya | pabelanger: may as well go now | 15:08 |
| pabelanger | sure | 15:08 |
| pabelanger | so, I might not be in the right meeting, so I'll start by asking. Do you discuss the tooling around 3rd party CI here? | 15:09 |
| pabelanger | or is that for another meeting | 15:09 |
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| mmedvede | o/ | 15:10 |
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| anteaya | pabelanger: we can discuss it here | 15:10 |
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| anteaya | morning mmedvede | 15:10 |
| pabelanger | great | 15:10 |
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| mmedvede | good morning anteaya | 15:11 |
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| pabelanger | So, my question is the following. I have started work on ansible roles for 3rd party CI. For example, ansible-role-nodepool, ansible-role-zuul. Right now, I have things hosted on github under my personal space, but I would like to move them into big tent. So, what I am asking is, would 3rd party CI be the proper location for these repos | 15:12 |
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| anteaya | pabelanger: what is the motivation for creating them? | 15:12 |
| anteaya | pabelanger: who do you expect to use them and what are they using them to do? | 15:12 |
| pabelanger | we want to use ansible over puppet | 15:12 |
| anteaya | who is we in this case? | 15:13 |
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| pabelanger | in this case, downstream Red Hat. | 15:13 |
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| asselin__ | pabelanger, what exactly to you mean by "would 3rd party CI be the proper location" | 15:14 |
| pabelanger | there have also been some other people, I won't name them right now, who have expressed interest is using ansible role for 3rd party CI over puppet | 15:14 |
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| anteaya | well I'm interested in supporting development of things to help third party operators and their ci systems | 15:15 |
| pabelanger | asselin__: I have asked openstack-infra if they are interested in hosting ansible-role-zuul under openstack-infa namespace. They declined since they would not consume them. So, I am looking for another team to use as the umbrella | 15:15 |
| anteaya | I have no interest in being adversarial towards puppet | 15:15 |
| anteaya | also I want to ensure that folks consuming tools infra supports is aware infra supports them | 15:15 |
| pabelanger | adversarial? | 15:15 |
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| anteaya | as there are tools infra does not support | 15:15 |
| anteaya | infra supports puppet | 15:15 |
| anteaya | infra also uses ansible | 15:16 |
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| fungi | doesn't seem adversarial, but the infra team declined to govern ansible roles which duplicate our puppet modules because we're fans of having one strongly supported solution. the ansible roles can happily live elsewhere in the ecosystem for those who have a preference | 15:16 |
| anteaya | folks are free to use whatever tools they wish | 15:16 |
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| anteaya | fungi: thank you | 15:16 |
| pabelanger | correct. The reason I am asking here is 3rd party CI tends to run other tooling outside of openstack-infra down stream. | 15:16 |
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| anteaya | some third party ci operators choose to do that yes, | 15:17 |
| anteaya | but they also do so without having infra support for their tooling choices | 15:17 |
| pabelanger | fungi: right. Basically I am trying to figure out where these modules would live. If it is using existing teams, or some new team | 15:17 |
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| pabelanger | anteaya: agreed. and that is acceptable | 15:17 |
| anteaya | I have no preference where the tools live | 15:18 |
| asselin__ | pabelanger, isn't the default 'openstack' | 15:18 |
| fungi | it also doesn't necessarily need an official team to be in the openstack/ git namespace now | 15:18 |
| fungi | you can always get them into gerrit and worry about forming a team later | 15:18 |
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| pabelanger | Right. I just wanted to make people aware of the effort to import them into gerrit, see if anybody major objections existed. | 15:19 |
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| pabelanger | the people are fine with the import into gerrit then dealing with which team to work with, I can proceed with that | 15:19 |
| asselin__ | no objections from me | 15:20 |
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| pabelanger | s/the/if the/ | 15:20 |
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| anteaya | pabelanger: thanks for having the discussion | 15:20 |
| mmedvede | +1 | 15:20 |
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| anteaya | any more on this topic? | 15:21 |
| anteaya | pabelanger: did you get what you needed? | 15:21 |
| pabelanger | none from me. Just to recap, everybody is okay with moving ansible-role-zuul into gerrit | 15:21 |
| pabelanger | and dealing with which team to move under at a later date | 15:22 |
| anteaya | well noone has any objections to that | 15:22 |
| anteaya | that I heard | 15:22 |
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| pabelanger | great, just confirming | 15:22 |
| anteaya | yup | 15:22 |
| pabelanger | thank you | 15:22 |
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| anteaya | thanks for bringing it up for discussion | 15:22 |
| anteaya | does anyone have any other topic to discuss? | 15:22 |
| asselin__ | yes, jenkins security issue: http://jenkins-ci.org/content/mitigating-unauthenticated-remote-code-execution-0-day-jenkins-cli | 15:23 |
| anteaya | asselin__: I do believe clarkb and fungi were addressing that on Friday | 15:23 |
| anteaya | asselin__: I haven't checked since then to see what the current status is | 15:23 |
| anteaya | anyone know? | 15:23 |
| asselin__ | anteaya, yes they were. Not sure how many 3rd party ops have public jenkins | 15:23 |
| fungi | yep, we should be fine but it's a good idea to make sure other people running jenkins are also aware | 15:23 |
| anteaya | asselin__: yup, good call bringing that up | 15:24 |
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| anteaya | fungi: yes | 15:24 |
| fungi | in case they don't keep track of jenkins security announcements | 15:24 |
| anteaya | which, we should note, they should begin to if you don't already | 15:24 |
| anteaya | s/you/they | 15:24 |
| fungi | we did get the recommended mitigation added to the puppet-jenkins module though it may still need some tweaking and also implies a restart or additional manual steps to apply online | 15:24 |
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| anteaya | I think it wasn't sticking after restart | 15:25 |
| anteaya | if i parsed the logs correctly Friday night | 15:25 |
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| fungi | right, there was some subsequent discussion that the jenkins devs found where the race condition was and it may be better fixed in their git repo from whence i copied that file | 15:25 |
| asselin__ | anteaya, I saw those logs, but my tests showed it was sticking. | 15:25 |
| anteaya | it being the fix | 15:25 |
| anteaya | asselin__: wonderful, good to know | 15:26 |
| anteaya | fungi: ah | 15:26 |
| fungi | i'll revisit it here shortly once i get out of the other meeting i'm also in the middle of | 15:26 |
| * anteaya offers points for whence | 15:26 | |
| anteaya | fungi: yup, thanks for your help here, sorry to double team you on a Monday morning | 15:26 |
| asselin__ | fungi, I have a patch up that syncs to latest, but under merge conflict now: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242787/ | 15:27 |
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| anteaya | #link asselin's jenkins fix https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242787 | 15:28 |
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| anteaya | any more discussion on this topic? | 15:28 |
| fungi | asselin__: it's merge conflicting because it duplicates a fix which already merged | 15:29 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/242713 | 15:29 |
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| asselin__ | fungi, yes, I know...code is not the same though.... | 15:30 |
| fungi | well, partially duplicates. needs to be rebased | 15:30 |
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| fungi | yep | 15:30 |
| asselin__ | fungi, ++ | 15:30 |
| fungi | i'll take a closer look in a bit | 15:30 |
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| anteaya | anything more on this? | 15:31 |
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| anteaya | does anyone have any other topic they would like to discuss today? | 15:32 |
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| asselin__ | I made quite a few updates to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/227584/ (documentation for common-third-party-ci setup) | 15:34 |
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| anteaya | #link openstackci documentation patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/227584/ | 15:34 |
| asselin__ | big thanks to those reviewing and pointing out areas of confusion. | 15:34 |
| anteaya | yes, wonderful work here | 15:35 |
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| anteaya | quite a few reviewers, nice to see | 15:35 |
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| anteaya | so if folks have a chance to take another pass on this latest patchset that would be great | 15:35 |
| anteaya | asselin__: do you think we are close to getting something merged and then fixing it from there? | 15:36 |
| anteaya | it will never be perfect but would be nice to have something merged in the repo | 15:36 |
| asselin__ | anteaya, yes I believe so. I've been following my own instructions on a clean system to see where things are working or not | 15:37 |
| anteaya | wonderful | 15:37 |
| anteaya | asselin__: so baring any objection perhaps merge what you have and let follow up concerns be addressed in patches | 15:38 |
| asselin__ | biggest changes are simplification of how puppet configurations are setup, and adding documentation to setup the log server | 15:38 |
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| asselin__ | anteaya, yes, I think we can achieve that this week | 15:39 |
| anteaya | asselin__: wonderful | 15:39 |
| anteaya | thanks so much for you work here | 15:39 |
| anteaya | it is awesome | 15:39 |
| anteaya | and even if you don't hear it much, we all really appreciate it in infra | 15:39 |
| anteaya | thank you so much | 15:40 |
| anteaya | :) | 15:40 |
| asselin__ | thanks :) | 15:40 |
| anteaya | so please review the documenation patch here if you are reading the logs | 15:41 |
| anteaya | anything more to talk about today? | 15:41 |
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| anteaya | any objection to me closing this meeting? | 15:42 |
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| anteaya | thanks all for your kind attendance and participation | 15:42 |
| anteaya | see you all next week | 15:43 |
| anteaya | #endmeeting | 15:43 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 9 15:43:04 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-11-09-15.06.html | 15:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-11-09-15.06.txt | 15:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-11-09-15.06.log.html | 15:43 |
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| gpaz | Hi everyone (Mistral) | 16:01 |
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| sicarie__ | /part | 16:02 |
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| xylan_kong | hi | 16:02 |
| gpaz | How are you xylan ? :) | 16:03 |
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| xylan_kong | gpaz: pretty good, and you? | 16:03 |
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| gpaz | xylan, Just back from Thailand ;) cant be better | 16:04 |
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| xylan_kong | gpaz: cool | 16:04 |
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| xylan_kong | let's wait for a moment | 16:05 |
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| gpaz | OK. Limor and I here (Alcatel) | 16:05 |
| LimorStotland | Hi all | 16:05 |
| xylan_kong | hi, LimorStotland | 16:06 |
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| xylan_kong | LimorStotland: btw, i have left some comments for your client pagination support pathc | 16:06 |
| xylan_kong | patch | 16:06 |
| xylan_kong | please take a look when you're available | 16:07 |
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| LimorStotland | xylan_kong yes, Thanks , i saw i am abut to writ you some question in a priveat chanle :-) | 16:07 |
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| xylan_kong | and i'm not sure you guys were on IRC this afternoon(for me), Renat had marked some bps for Mitaka, including some of your proposals we discussed in Tokyo | 16:08 |
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| xylan_kong | you can check the IRC log for more details | 16:09 |
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| LimorStotland | we had some mixup in the times and we were all sure we will talk on it in the weekly meeting | 16:11 |
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| rakhmerov | hi! | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | guys, are you still here? | 16:14 |
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| rakhmerov | Mistral team, please name yourself so that I know who is here | 16:14 |
| _gryf | yes | 16:14 |
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| gpaz | Limor Moshe anf I here | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | I apologize for being late | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | ok, give me a second | 16:14 |
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| rakhmerov | it's snowing outside here so I got stuck in traffic | 16:15 |
| xylan_kong | rakhmerov: hi, i'm here | 16:15 |
| akuznetsova | hi | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Review Action Items | 16:16 |
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| akuznetsova | rakhmerov, do not you want to start a meeting ? | 16:16 |
| akuznetsova | :-) | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | ooh, yes! | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | #startmeeting Mistral | 16:17 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 9 16:17:03 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rakhmerov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:17 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:17 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral' | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Review Action Items | 16:17 |
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| rakhmerov | no action items | 16:17 |
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| rakhmerov | #topic Current status (progress, issues, roadblocks, further plans) | 16:17 |
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| NikolayM | hi everyone! Sorry, I'm late | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | please tell your status and your plans quickly | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | NikolayM: np | 16:17 |
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| melisha | I am working on https://bugs.launchpad.net/mistral/+bug/1513548 will push first patchset soon | 16:18 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1513548 in Mistral "Workflow executed more than once when using cron-trigger with multiple engines" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Moshe Elisha (melisha) | 16:18 |
| LimorStotland | my status working on bp pagination-execution-mitralclient | 16:19 |
| xylan_kong | i'm working on adding mistral specs repo, have patches for governance and project-config respectively, and will work on some bps assigned to me today, and as a liaison of release, I'll add reno support to mistral | 16:19 |
| akuznetsova | I am testing mistral plugin for FUEL | 16:19 |
| LimorStotland | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/python-mistralclient/+spec/pagination-execution-mitralclient | 16:19 |
| NikolayM | my status: Fixed patch related to wf execution creation; fixed calculation of wf exexcution status when workflow has conditional transitions | 16:19 |
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| rakhmerov | my status: mostly involved in email exchanges on Mistral, after the summit a number of people started asking questions about Mistral. Also did some planning. I am going to take a couple of important bugs and working on them | 16:19 |
| melisha | ^Gal^ is working on finishes in tasks and executions screens | 16:20 |
| melisha | Liat is working on the BP for actions screen | 16:20 |
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| _gryf | I've started to identify gaps in mistral regading ha, the outcome would be bug reports and bp (possibly) | 16:21 |
| rakhmerov | melisha: it's a really important bug, good luck! | 16:21 |
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| rakhmerov | xylan_kong: what is reno? briefly | 16:21 |
| melisha | rakhmerov: -) Thanks | 16:22 |
| xylan_kong | rakhmerov: generate release notes automatically | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:22 |
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| rakhmerov | _gryf: I also created a very high-level BP for Mistral working in HA mode | 16:23 |
| _gryf | rakhmerov, ack, saw that | 16:23 |
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| rakhmerov | here it is: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-ha | 16:23 |
| rakhmerov | so my vision is that we need to create sort of a spec first (using this new spec repository which will be ready soon I hope) | 16:23 |
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| rakhmerov | and create a roadmap for making Mistral work in HA | 16:24 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, thanks to everyone, let's move on | 16:24 |
| _gryf | rakhmerov, Ok, cool. | 16:24 |
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| rakhmerov | #topic Scoping Mitaka and Mitaka-1 | 16:24 |
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| rakhmerov | today we had a quick IRC meeting where the only thing we did is assigning BPs to Mitaka series | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | the whole cycle | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | the next thing we need to do is assign BPs and bugs to Mitaka-1 | 16:25 |
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| rakhmerov | so according to the release schedule Mitaka-1 ends on Dec 3 | 16:27 |
| rakhmerov | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Mitaka_Release_Schedule | 16:27 |
| rakhmerov | which means we have 3 weeks left | 16:27 |
| NikolayM | oh, just 3 weeks | 16:27 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:28 |
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| rakhmerov | BPs assigned to Mitaka: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral | 16:28 |
| rakhmerov | ooh, sorry | 16:28 |
| rakhmerov | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/mitaka | 16:28 |
| rakhmerov | and BPs for Mitaka-1 milestone: https://launchpad.net/mistral/+milestone/mitaka-1 | 16:29 |
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| rakhmerov | melisha: let's assign your bug to Mitaka-1? | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | about cron trigger | 16:29 |
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| melisha | rakhmerov: Sure. This should also be backported to Liberty | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | yes, once it's merged just leave a comment about that | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | or just let me know directly, I'll backport it | 16:30 |
| melisha | rakhmerov: Cool. Thanks | 16:31 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, as far as BPs | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-py3 is about to be done, so I'd like it to be in M-1 | 16:32 |
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| NikolayM | I think this one - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/add-ceilometer-actions should be in M-1 also, it is not so hard to add more actions :) | 16:33 |
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| rakhmerov | melisha: as far as UI stuff, do you think https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-dashboard-executions-screen can be done in M-1? | 16:33 |
| melisha | NikolayM: I agree. | 16:33 |
| LimorStotland | this one is in progres https://blueprints.launchpad.net/python-mistralclient/+spec/pagination-execution-mitralclient to | 16:33 |
| LimorStotland | +1 to NikolayM | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | NikolayM: agree. Let's also consider BPs from importance standpoint | 16:34 |
| melisha | NikolayM: Noa has already have most of the code | 16:34 |
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| rakhmerov | LimorStotland: ok, I need to create M-1 first in Client LP | 16:34 |
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| rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov: create Mitaka series and milestone in python-mistralclient LP | 16:34 |
| melisha | rakhmerov: I think so. It is mostly finishes and add the pagination | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | melisha: what do you think about https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/tasks-screen-improvments ? | 16:36 |
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| rakhmerov | I know that some work is already done but not sure what's left | 16:36 |
| NikolayM | I've marked https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-alternative-rpc for M-1 also, but I'm not sure it will be done at M-1 | 16:37 |
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| melisha | rakhmerov: I think this is also next to finish. What is left is to improve the jumps from one screen (for example, tasks) to another (for example executions) | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | NikolayM: yes, I agree on that one. At least we can try to squeeze it into it | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | melisha: ok | 16:38 |
| NikolayM | yes | 16:38 |
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| rakhmerov | Guys, a quick announcement! | 16:39 |
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| xylan_kong | ? | 16:39 |
| rakhmerov | once we have xylan_kong's patches merged, we'll switch to the flow that all big projects have | 16:39 |
| xylan_kong | :-) | 16:40 |
| rakhmerov | first, we'll need to create a spec (in case of design/API/functionality changes), approve it, merge it into spec repository | 16:40 |
| rakhmerov | and only then working on the code | 16:40 |
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| rakhmerov | so that we keep track of our specifications | 16:40 |
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| rakhmerov | so I suggest we have a discussion in ~2 weeks (before this M-1 ends) and plan M-2 | 16:41 |
| rakhmerov | we're running a little bit behind with planning (mostly my fault) and other stuff that we're supposed to do so we need to catch up | 16:41 |
| rakhmerov | all big BPs like multi-region support should be clearly documented first in a spec before coding | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | not so hard to do but everyone would see what we're doing | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | ok, let's move on | 16:42 |
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| rakhmerov | I also want https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-async-actions-doc in M-1 | 16:43 |
| melisha | rakhmerov: I can help with that from my expierience. | 16:44 |
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| rakhmerov | melisha: yes, thanks | 16:44 |
| rakhmerov | appreciate that | 16:44 |
| rakhmerov | xylan_kong: what do you think about https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-osc-plugin ? | 16:44 |
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| rakhmerov | would it be a heavy thing to do? | 16:45 |
| rakhmerov | I was asked several times why we're still not integrated with osc | 16:45 |
| xylan_kong | rakhmerov: no, i think it's easy thing to do | 16:45 |
| xylan_kong | rakhmerov: i'll cover it | 16:45 |
| rakhmerov | will you take it for M-1? | 16:46 |
| rakhmerov | ooh, ok | 16:46 |
| xylan_kong | I'll try | 16:46 |
| xylan_kong | just assign it to me | 16:46 |
| melisha | #action melisha: Write docs about https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-async-actions-doc in M-1 | 16:46 |
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| xylan_kong | seems I'll have tons of tasks in M-1 :-) | 16:47 |
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| rakhmerov | xylan_kong: you'll get them all done, I'm confident about that ) | 16:48 |
| xylan_kong | rakhmerov: hehe | 16:48 |
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| rakhmerov | melisha: from your side, do you see anything else we could include in M-1 | 16:48 |
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| rakhmerov | I know you're interested in multi-regiion support and we've mostly discussed it at the summit with your colleagues but I'd like that things like "Mistral HA" and "Multi-region support" are designed first in specs | 16:49 |
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| rakhmerov | so I'd like to do that during M-1 and then get to implementing them | 16:50 |
| melisha | rakhmerov: We are now focused on QA and opening/fixing bugs. This is top prioirty for us as we need the important fixes in Liberty | 16:50 |
| rakhmerov | yes, ok | 16:50 |
| melisha | rakhmerov: This are indeed important stories for us but again those are for the next release. We are thinking about the one that will go to production soon :-) | 16:50 |
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| rakhmerov | so, my suggestion: on BPs, let's be conservative and limit a number of BPs for M-1 with what we already have | 16:50 |
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| melisha | rakhmerov: Sounds good to me. Thanks. | 16:51 |
| rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov, melisha: design "Mistral HA" and "Multi-region sport" during M-1 | 16:51 |
| rakhmerov | melisha: let's quickly have a look at the bugs then | 16:51 |
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| rakhmerov | I actually would love to see https://bugs.launchpad.net/mistral/+bug/1505664 done in M-1 | 16:52 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1505664 in Mistral "Some DB queries are reported slow as no indices are used" [Undecided,New] | 16:52 |
| rakhmerov | btw, Winson said he was ready to take this one | 16:52 |
| rakhmerov | melisha: do you want to work on it yourself or we can give it to Winson? | 16:53 |
| LimorStotland | rakhmerov : can i be part of the design "Mistral HA" and "Multi-region sport" action? | 16:53 |
| rakhmerov | LimorStotland: sure!! | 16:53 |
| melisha | rakhmerov: He can take it if he wish. No objection. If not we will most definitely do it anyway | 16:53 |
| rakhmerov | melisha: ok, done | 16:54 |
| rakhmerov | melisha: since we're running out of time can we have a chat tomorrow about bugs that you're mostly interested in? | 16:55 |
| rakhmerov | we could spend 30-40 mins in our IRC channel and go over the bug list | 16:55 |
| rakhmerov | everyone can join as well, of course | 16:56 |
| melisha | rakhmerov: Sure. That will be great! Thanks! | 16:56 |
| rakhmerov | I also see a lot of bugs "In progress" and I'd like to clarify their status, I guess not all of them are actually in progress | 16:56 |
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| melisha | rakhmerov: Thanks | 16:58 |
| rakhmerov | #action: rakhmerov: ping melisha and look at the bugs together | 16:58 |
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| rakhmerov | the goal is to 1) assign bugs to M-1 2) create a list of changes that we need to backport to stable-liberty | 16:58 |
| NikolayM | AFAIK bug changes its status to 'in progress' when first patch set is submitted | 16:59 |
| rakhmerov | yeah | 16:59 |
| NikolayM | no need to change the status manually | 16:59 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:59 |
| rakhmerov | 30 sec left | 16:59 |
| rakhmerov | thanks to everyone for joining! | 16:59 |
| rakhmerov | see you soon | 16:59 |
| rakhmerov | bye | 16:59 |
| NikolayM | bye! | 16:59 |
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| melisha | Bye. Thanks | 16:59 |
| xylan_kong | bye | 16:59 |
| _gryf | bye | 16:59 |
| rakhmerov | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 9 16:59:54 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2015/mistral.2015-11-09-16.17.html | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2015/mistral.2015-11-09-16.17.log.html | 17:00 |
| LimorStotland | Bye | 17:00 |
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| matjazp | hi all, anyone here for the training guides? | 17:01 |
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| matjazp | #startmeeting training-guides | 17:06 |
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| matjazp | roll call | 17:06 |
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| matjazp | meeting postponed till next week | 17:09 |
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| matjazp | #info meeting postponed untill next week | 17:09 |
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| markmcclain | o/ | 18:01 |
| adam_g | #startmeeting akanda | 18:01 |
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| adam_g | o/ | 18:01 |
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| markmcclain | shouldn't we be using astara now? | 18:01 |
| adam_g | https://review.openstack.org/243235 | 18:01 |
| adam_g | :) | 18:01 |
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| adam_g | good lead into | 18:02 |
| adam_g | #topic Outstanding project rename tasks | 18:02 |
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| adam_g | so all of our project repos have been renamed | 18:02 |
| adam_g | as expected, this wreaks havoc on our gate jobs | 18:03 |
| adam_g | i think https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241559/ fixes it, at least it looks like its passing okay | 18:03 |
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| adam_g | im going to WIP that and comb over logs and make sure its doing what it should, then we should hopefully be able to merge it | 18:04 |
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| markmcclain | oh.. I added +2/A | 18:04 |
| adam_g | yeah, just saw | 18:04 |
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| adam_g | im honestly surprised it passed | 18:05 |
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| adam_g | oh wait | 18:05 |
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| adam_g | im looking at the wrong things | 18:06 |
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| adam_g | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242629/ | 18:06 |
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| adam_g | thats the patch we need to get working before anything else will merge | 18:06 |
| adam_g | it looks like its not currently running any jobs | 18:06 |
| adam_g | #action adam_g to get astara CI functional again after rename | 18:07 |
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| adam_g | then we need to go through and start renaming code and packages | 18:07 |
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| markmcclain | let me know if I can help out with it | 18:07 |
| adam_g | der, s/packages/modules | 18:07 |
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| adam_g | markmcclain, do you want to take the action of starting that process? a first step would be to rename the top-level modules in the repos from akanda->astara | 18:08 |
| adam_g | we managed to get the user-facing console scripts renamed already | 18:08 |
| markmcclain | yeah.. I'm happy to take it on | 18:08 |
| markmcclain | I know how not to do it :) | 18:08 |
| adam_g | #action markmcclain to start the process of renaming modules akanda->astara | 18:08 |
| adam_g | someone needs to re-doodle the ASCII art MOTD in the appliance | 18:09 |
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| markmcclain | I'll take it on | 18:09 |
| adam_g | i will defer to the artist of the original (whoever that is) | 18:09 |
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| adam_g | so a question regarding the rename.. it looks like we dropped 'rug' in favor of 'orchestrator'? | 18:10 |
| markmcclain | adam_g: looks like it was rods | 18:10 |
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| markmcclain | yeah just to be more clear what the processes were doing | 18:10 |
| adam_g | im thinking we should be doing some aesthetic cleanups in various places if thats the case.. specifically the Horizon dashboard and dos | 18:10 |
| adam_g | *docs | 18:10 |
| markmcclain | ++ | 18:10 |
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| adam_g | #action adam_g update horizon rug->orchestrator | 18:11 |
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| adam_g | and doc updates will be another on going task | 18:11 |
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| adam_g | davidlenwell, want to help there? | 18:11 |
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| adam_g | the crickets say YES | 18:13 |
| adam_g | #action begin migrating docs, renaming references: akanda->astara, rug->orchestrator (davidlenwell) | 18:13 |
| adam_g | markmcclain, anything else rename related you can think of? | 18:13 |
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| adam_g | im sure more things creep up as we go but those are some good next steps for this week i think | 18:14 |
| markmcclain | yeah... these are a good starting point | 18:14 |
| adam_g | #topic Mitaka development | 18:15 |
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| adam_g | so we released our liberty one week after neutron. in that time, i pinned our master jobs to run against stable/liberty of other projects | 18:15 |
| adam_g | there seemed to be a change shortly after neutron mitaka released that broke our notification system | 18:16 |
| adam_g | i tracked this down on friday to a change in oslo.messaging 2.6.0+, which is used in mitaka g-r now | 18:16 |
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| adam_g | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/astara/+bug/1513630 | 18:17 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1513630 in neutron "notifications are not being recevied since mitaka" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Davanum Srinivas (DIMS) (dims-v) | 18:17 |
| adam_g | oh looks like dims is helping with that, thanks dude. | 18:17 |
| davidlenwell | o/ | 18:17 |
| dims | adam_g :) | 18:18 |
| adam_g | once we straighten that out ill remove the pinning and we'll start running our mitaka against the rest of the world's | 18:18 |
| markmcclain | ok.. makes sense | 18:18 |
| adam_g | so looking forward | 18:18 |
| adam_g | we came away from tokyo with: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/akanda-mitaka-planning | 18:18 |
| * adam_g goes to find mitaka release schedule | 18:19 | |
| davidlenwell | reading scrollback.. adam_g yes I can help with the horizon changes | 18:19 |
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| adam_g | davidlenwell, no, i signed you up for doc updates :) | 18:19 |
| davidlenwell | oh | 18:19 |
| davidlenwell | okay | 18:19 |
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| adam_g | ive noted the currently proposed mitaka release schedule at the top of that etherpad | 18:21 |
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| adam_g | do we comfortable following that this time? we had trouble last cycle, and wonder if we should come up with our own schedule again | 18:21 |
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| adam_g | whichever we decide, we need to stick to that and land things by the milestones and not batch things up again for the final week | 18:21 |
| markmcclain | right.. I'd like to align with the bigger cycle | 18:22 |
| adam_g | same here, it looks doable | 18:22 |
| davidlenwell | adam_g: +1 sticking to the upstream cycles seems the most logical .. | 18:22 |
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| adam_g | actually no, i change my mind | 18:24 |
| adam_g | we tried doing this last cycle and ended up with everything bumping and getting targetted to the RC | 18:24 |
| adam_g | because we didnt properly scope things. | 18:25 |
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| markmcclain | yeah.. should we make sure there are the blueprints and bugs | 18:25 |
| adam_g | i can say the most urgent (and possibly lowest hanging fruit) thing on the roadmap is devstack support for the new features we added in L | 18:25 |
| adam_g | then we can start exercising those as part of our testing. | 18:25 |
| markmcclain | agreed | 18:25 |
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| markmcclain | I'd like to see tempest up there too | 18:26 |
| adam_g | yeah | 18:26 |
| adam_g | should we start putting names next to things in etherpad so we know whos driving what until there are blueprints/bugs assigned? | 18:26 |
| adam_g | also note: im moving rootwrap out of 'minor features' and into the main list. we really need to get on board with that | 18:26 |
| markmcclain | yeah that makes sense | 18:26 |
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| markmcclain | that's mainly for the appliance right? | 18:27 |
| adam_g | markmcclain, there, and we do some sudo'ing in astara-orchestrator as well | 18:28 |
| markmcclain | yeah.. I guess to connect to the mgt networks | 18:28 |
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| adam_g | i know of some distributions whos' security teams will NACK inclusion of our packages because of unconstrained sudo use | 18:29 |
| adam_g | anyway | 18:29 |
| adam_g | ryanpetrello, you still up for helping improve the ceilometer support? | 18:29 |
| adam_g | markmcclain, you've got containers PoC'ing? | 18:29 |
| markmcclain | yep | 18:29 |
| adam_g | i can take a look at VRRP/ha appliacnes | 18:29 |
| adam_g | do we want to bump VPNaaS to stretch goals or keep it in the main bucket? | 18:29 |
| adam_g | it sounded as if FWaaS would be a more likely candidate at this point | 18:30 |
| markmcclain | yeah.. I'm happy to help with VRRP stuff | 18:30 |
| davidlenwell | that should be pretty low hanging fruit | 18:30 |
| markmcclain | I've got a few thoughts on it | 18:30 |
| davidlenwell | vpn | 18:30 |
| adam_g | davidlenwell, low hanging fruit? how so? | 18:30 |
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| adam_g | (compared to FWaaS) | 18:31 |
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| davidlenwell | compared to fwaas vpn is a stable api that should meet our needs.. fwaas is in major flux right now | 18:31 |
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| adam_g | davidlenwell, oh, okay. so do you want to sign up for that? i was under the assumption you had already started working through fwaas | 18:31 |
| adam_g | ill take on SFC, at least watching it and seeing where it develops this cycle. | 18:32 |
| davidlenwell | I started a discovery spike on fwaas.. | 18:32 |
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| davidlenwell | so yes.. I'll put my hand up for vpn | 18:32 |
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| adam_g | flavor support? | 18:32 |
| adam_g | this is really two things | 18:33 |
| davidlenwell | can you elaborate ? | 18:33 |
| adam_g | we need pluggable backends for our adv. service drivers | 18:33 |
| adam_g | (first step) | 18:33 |
| adam_g | ie: loadbalancer needs to support different types of LBs | 18:33 |
| adam_g | so the first thing is extended the abstraction in both astara-orchestrator and astara-appliance to support that | 18:33 |
| davidlenwell | ahh . so rather than making an entirely new driver | 18:33 |
| davidlenwell | you make a sub driver? | 18:34 |
| adam_g | yea | 18:34 |
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| adam_g | the second thing is mapping that to neutron flavors | 18:34 |
| davidlenwell | sounds like a little bit of an over abstraction | 18:34 |
| markmcclain | so I think part of that is a bit of tweaking to how we integrate with neutron | 18:34 |
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| markmcclain | we could have neutron send us the driver for a flavor | 18:35 |
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| markmcclain | and make the orchestrator a bit dumb about it | 18:35 |
| davidlenwell | like .. wouldn't it be less complex to just have seperate drivers for different types of lb's | 18:35 |
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| adam_g | davidlenwell, theres two layers of abstraction: one for the neutron adv. service API -> astara-orchestrator internal API (ie, the current top-level loadbalancer driver), and another for astara-orchestrator -> backend appliance | 18:37 |
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| davidlenwell | oh I see what you are saying | 18:38 |
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| markmcclain | there's also a bit of upstream coordination too | 18:38 |
| markmcclain | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/223232/5 | 18:39 |
| adam_g | markmcclain, right, in either case we need some better way of managing multiple types of loadbalancers. | 18:39 |
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| adam_g | markmcclain, actually so that points to something that needs to be on our radar for mitaka wrt LBAAS. we dont map cleanly in the 'provider' aspect of LBAAS | 18:40 |
| adam_g | right now we can enable astara LBAAS via the nooplogging provider | 18:40 |
| markmcclain | right.. I'm thinking we'll need a proper driver for Mitaka | 18:41 |
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| adam_g | if we went ahead and added our own astara provider, we'd still only have a single service level for multiple types of things we may be managing | 18:41 |
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| markmcclain | so with flavors you can pass metadata to that is handed down to the driver | 18:41 |
| markmcclain | so that flavors can be differentiated | 18:41 |
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| adam_g | right but, at first glance, that patch you mention directly maps those to LBAAS providers | 18:42 |
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| adam_g | anyway, we can discuss this later | 18:43 |
| adam_g | markmcclain, ill sign us both up for this/ | 18:43 |
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| markmcclain | sounds good | 18:43 |
| adam_g | davidlenwell, you have any interest in beefing up our devstack plugin to handle deploying new liberty features? (Pez, multiple RUGs, lbaas?) | 18:44 |
| davidlenwell | yeah.. I was actually thinking I could handle that | 18:44 |
| adam_g | cool | 18:44 |
| davidlenwell | it will be good for bug testing too | 18:44 |
| adam_g | we'd like to have that done soonish so we can start testing that stuff, so please schedule accordingly | 18:45 |
| davidlenwell | I can make it a priority this week | 18:45 |
| adam_g | k | 18:45 |
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| adam_g | ill sign up for the func. testing + tempest stuff unless someone else really wants it | 18:45 |
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| davidlenwell | (crickets) | 18:45 |
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| adam_g | the appliance API v2 thing is going to need a proper spec and some brain time | 18:46 |
| adam_g | im going to leave that untagged atm | 18:47 |
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| davidlenwell | oh.. that reminds me .. where are we putting specs after the move? | 18:47 |
| markmcclain | yeah.. I think that's smart | 18:47 |
| adam_g | markmcclain, it sounded like you had an idea for TLS or was that ryanpetrello ? | 18:47 |
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| markmcclain | I've got one | 18:47 |
| markmcclain | I can write it up as a bug (wishlist) item | 18:47 |
| adam_g | davidlenwell, we can put them into astara.git for now | 18:47 |
| adam_g | davidlenwell, im going to put up a patch that imports what was akanda.git/docs/ soon | 18:48 |
| adam_g | we can just manage specs there? | 18:48 |
| davidlenwell | ahh.. okay.. I could do that too if you like | 18:48 |
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| davidlenwell | yeah .. for now thats fine | 18:48 |
| adam_g | markmcclain, cool | 18:48 |
| davidlenwell | it makes those files end up in tar balls ... | 18:48 |
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| davidlenwell | with the releases .. but if that doesn't bother you it doesn't bother me | 18:49 |
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| markmcclain | aren't the files based on sdist? | 18:49 |
| adam_g | davidlenwell, im fine with that, we could exclude them from release tarballs if we really want | 18:49 |
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| adam_g | i dont really wanna manage another astara-specs repo, we have enough repos :) | 18:49 |
| davidlenwell | should I import the old stackforge/akanda/docs into the main repo as well? | 18:50 |
| markmcclain | yes | 18:50 |
| davidlenwell | or just piece by piece as I fix the docs? | 18:50 |
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| davidlenwell | like as seperate commits? | 18:50 |
| adam_g | davidlenwell, i'd say import the whole thing and then make changes | 18:50 |
| davidlenwell | okay | 18:50 |
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| adam_g | it'd be great if you could append 'Co-authored by' tags for the committer history of that dir | 18:50 |
| adam_g | and a link to the openstack-attic repo where it its been retired to | 18:51 |
| adam_g | that way we preserve some of the history | 18:51 |
| davidlenwell | k | 18:51 |
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| davidlenwell | might be able to import the entire history .. | 18:51 |
| davidlenwell | its git after all .. merging repos and keeping history is a thing | 18:52 |
| markmcclain | that's sounds like some really gross git stuff | 18:52 |
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| davidlenwell | yeah it does induce vomiting | 18:52 |
| davidlenwell | ;) | 18:52 |
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| adam_g | so for this coming week... | 18:53 |
| adam_g | #action adam_g to get mitaka open for business /w functional CI | 18:53 |
| adam_g | #action davidlenwell to get old docs imported, devstack plugin support for new features added | 18:53 |
| adam_g | markmcclain, did you want to get cracking on something or will the code renaming be keeping you busy for now? | 18:54 |
| markmcclain | code renaming will give a me a bit to do | 18:54 |
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| markmcclain | I expect we'll find some strange things | 18:54 |
| markmcclain | (we did when we renamed quantum>neutron) | 18:54 |
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| adam_g | yeah, i imagine it will be fun | 18:55 |
| davidlenwell | does it make sense to stack the devstack work on top of the name changes? | 18:55 |
| markmcclain | We should be able to work in parallel | 18:55 |
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| adam_g | davidlenwell, no, this is about adding new support to our plugin to do the liberty new features. | 18:56 |
| adam_g | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242629/ addresses renaming | 18:56 |
| markmcclain | if I do things right we should avoid most merge conflicts | 18:56 |
| davidlenwell | okay | 18:56 |
| adam_g | oh, conflict-wise it should be fine to happen in parallel, ya | 18:56 |
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| adam_g | #topic open discussion | 18:57 |
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| adam_g | anything else? | 18:57 |
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| markmcclain | nothing from me | 18:57 |
| davidlenwell | nothing from me | 18:58 |
| elo | nope | 18:58 |
| adam_g | cool | 18:58 |
| adam_g | #endmeeting | 18:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 9 18:58:08 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/akanda/2015/akanda.2015-11-09-18.01.html | 18:58 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/akanda/2015/akanda.2015-11-09-18.01.txt | 18:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/akanda/2015/akanda.2015-11-09-18.01.log.html | 18:58 |
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| armax | hello | 20:58 |
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| kevinbenton | Hi | 20:58 |
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| annp | Hi | 20:58 |
| armax | hello folks | 20:58 |
| ihrachys | \o/ | 20:58 |
| hichihara | hi | 20:58 |
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| garyk | hello | 21:00 |
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| armax | #startmeeting networking | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 9 21:00:12 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is armax. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 21:00 |
| xgerman | o/ | 21:00 |
| armax | welcome to the first Neutron meeting after the summit | 21:00 |
| markmcclain | o/ | 21:00 |
| ajo | \o | 21:00 |
| armax | I bet some of you were off last week | 21:00 |
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| armax | I certainly was | 21:00 |
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| armax | and I appreciate whoever held the fortress while I was gone | 21:01 |
| kevinbenton | Hi | 21:01 |
| sc68cal | o/ | 21:01 |
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| armax | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings Agenda | 21:01 |
| HenryG | o/ | 21:01 |
| armax | agenda looks thin…but appearances can be deceiving | 21:01 |
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| armax | #topic Announcements | 21:02 |
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| armax | the most prominent one is an update on the way we track release notes | 21:02 |
| armax | if you are not familiar with it, please have a look at the following | 21:02 |
| armax | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/078301.html | 21:02 |
| * ajo looks | 21:02 | |
| johnsom_ | o/ | 21:02 |
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| kevinbenton | TCP Reno | 21:03 |
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| armax | mestery, being our release liason | 21:03 |
| garyk | does that change the way that we use UpgradeImpact flags etc in commit messages? | 21:03 |
| armax | has been on top of the new process | 21:03 |
| armax | with a few patches | 21:03 |
| njohnston | o/ | 21:03 |
| armax | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/owner:mestery+topic:add-reno,n,z | 21:03 |
| blogan | \o/ | 21:03 |
| armax | garyk: I wouldn’t think so | 21:03 |
| russellb | in short, update release notes as a part of patches that justify release notes? | 21:03 |
| russellb | sounds nice. | 21:03 |
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| ihrachys | pretty cool | 21:04 |
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| armax | another one pending | 21:04 |
| armax | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242223/ | 21:04 |
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| armax | so bottom line: we’re moving away from capturing the notes in the wiki | 21:04 |
| carl_baldwin | ++ | 21:04 |
| armax | this is the superslim TL;DR | 21:05 |
| njohnston | ++ | 21:05 |
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| ajo | nice | 21:05 |
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| armax | it’s worth noting that to my knowledge the overarching openstack release team will be moving away from looking at Launchpad for blueprints | 21:05 |
| armax | when it comes release time | 21:05 |
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| Arkady_Kanevsky | hello | 21:06 |
| armax | it’s also my understanding that each project is still free to use LP as they see fit | 21:06 |
| Arkady_Kanevsky | correct phone bridge - 1-888-875-9370,,3;9518007# | 21:06 |
| pc_m | What about RN for adv svcs? | 21:06 |
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| armax | as some of you are aware, we have a few processes in place | 21:06 |
| russellb | Arkady_Kanevsky: i think you're in the wrong channel | 21:06 |
| armax | Arkady_Kanevsky: you might be in the wrong channel | 21:06 |
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| xgerman | +1 | 21:07 |
| armax | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/neutron/policies/blueprints.html#blueprints-and-specs | 21:07 |
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| armax | we use Launchpad to track features via RFE bugs mostly | 21:07 |
| armax | pc_m: they are tracked in the neutron repo | 21:07 |
| armax | pc_m: but I’ll double check | 21:08 |
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| pc_m | armax: So commit in svc repo and then in neutron for RN. | 21:08 |
| armax | pc_m: it general the rule of thumb is: if you got deliverables, then you might want to have release notes | 21:08 |
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| armax | pc_m: adv-svcs is sorta borderline | 21:09 |
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| russellb | they're included in the "neutron" deliverable, governance wise | 21:09 |
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| armax | russellb: correct | 21:09 |
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| armax | so do not intend deliverable as strickly as a package | 21:09 |
| armax | bear also in mind that from now on, Launchpad blueprints are going to be used to track high-visible bug RFE’s | 21:10 |
| armax | I have been cleaning up the blueprint slate for a while, and I’ll continue to do so | 21:11 |
| armax | any question? | 21:11 |
| dougwig | then why file them as rfe's? | 21:11 |
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| dougwig | should we tweak the process to just file bp's instead? | 21:11 |
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| armax | dougwig: no, because... | 21:11 |
| russellb | no, i think there should be a 4th place to file a feature, before you actually get to code | 21:12 |
| armax | dougwig: bug reports allow us to have a nice conversation | 21:12 |
| armax | dougwig: which the BP page doesn't | 21:12 |
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| ajo | I guess blueprints can be ok for more complex deliverables | 21:12 |
| armax | dougwig: honestly this is all done mostly to overcome the limitations of LP as a tool | 21:12 |
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| dougwig | armax: wow, that's some broken tooling, but i don't want to derail "announcements". | 21:12 |
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| dougwig | jinx | 21:12 |
| ajo | :) | 21:13 |
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| armax | dougwig: this is old news | 21:13 |
| armax | dougwig: we all know that LP is ‘broken’ | 21:13 |
| armax | btw | 21:13 |
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| armax | this is all black on white here: | 21:13 |
| armax | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/neutron/policies/blueprints.html#neutron-request-for-feature-enhancements | 21:13 |
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| dougwig | those of us who avoid it except when necessary (i.e. everyone except the PTL) don't always think of these warts. | 21:13 |
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| armax | if something is not clear, needs to be rephrased, the usual way to address this is to file a patch | 21:13 |
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| armax | any more questions/time on this announcement? | 21:14 |
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| armax | I wanted to mention, that I will follow up this week with a few emails, in relation to the summit aftermath and the ramping up of Mitaka | 21:16 |
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| armax | I’ll tag them with “”Mitaka Release””, so stay tuned | 21:16 |
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| armax | this brings me to the next topic | 21:17 |
| armax | #topic Blueprints | 21:17 |
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| armax | we are in the first milestone of the realease | 21:17 |
| armax | #link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/mitaka-1 | 21:17 |
| armax | this ends on Dec 1st | 21:17 |
| armax | or thereabouts | 21:18 |
| armax | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Mitaka_Release_Schedule | 21:18 |
| russellb | that looks aggressive | 21:18 |
| xgerman | +1 | 21:18 |
| dougwig | wow, renaming tenant_id by 12/1? scary. | 21:18 |
| armax | russellb: yes, we are only a few weeks away | 21:18 |
| russellb | or is everything just targeted at mitaka-1 for now? | 21:18 |
| russellb | looks like it | 21:19 |
| armax | this is mostly targeting liberty backlog | 21:19 |
| russellb | ok | 21:19 |
| russellb | so, need to shake out what's expected to land now vs some future point | 21:19 |
| ihrachys | for rename, not sure we can do it everywhere. I remember oslo.context actually uses 'old' terms due to compat reasons. | 21:19 |
| armax | there are a couple of ways in which we can look at this | 21:19 |
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| armax | ihrachys: as for the rename, someone will have to look into it | 21:20 |
| armax | m-1 may be just scoping, actual definiton of work | 21:20 |
| ihrachys | not sure why essential | 21:20 |
| dougwig | ihrachys: i'm sure a backwards compat shim/member of some sort will have to be in place anyway. | 21:20 |
| dougwig | but i'm off topic. | 21:20 |
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| armax | ihrachys: most projects have swiched already, we can discuss the priority offline though | 21:21 |
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| ZZelle_ | armax, does it affects only neutron internals or also neutron APIs? | 21:21 |
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| garyk | yeah, the api's are the main concern | 21:21 |
| ajo | ans neutron-client | 21:21 |
| ajo | ans->and | 21:21 |
| garyk | that needs to be backwards compat etc. | 21:21 |
| armax | ZZelle_: if it were for the internals I wouldn’t care so much | 21:21 |
| ajo | garyk : +1 | 21:21 |
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| armax | ZZelle_: we’ll have to look at how the other projects have handled it | 21:22 |
| garyk | we can let russellb take care of the nova changes :) | 21:22 |
| garyk | that can and will take eons | 21:22 |
| dougwig | if it's just the api, it's easy, make it accept both and write one. it's all the subprojects that i worry about more. | 21:22 |
| blogan | indeed | 21:22 |
| kevinbenton | dougwig: it needs to return both as well | 21:22 |
| armax | dougwig: right, the work requires some planning | 21:22 |
| garyk | dougwig: can you please elobarate | 21:22 |
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| garyk | are you referring to lbaas etc or the decoupled ones? | 21:23 |
| dougwig | garyk: which part? the rest api needs to take either, and as kevin said, likely needs to return both. for anyone importing neutron models, i expect we'll want to put in a tenant_id method that fetches project id, or chaos will ensue. | 21:23 |
| amuller | I have to say for an 'essential' level blueprint the 'why' part is really lacking | 21:24 |
| armax | we should take this offline, as there’s clearly some very involved work required | 21:24 |
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| dougwig | armax: +1 | 21:24 |
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| armax | amuller: the work needs an owner | 21:24 |
| garyk | dougwig: i wamted to hear about your concerns for the subprojects | 21:24 |
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| dougwig | garyk: they import neutron, and grep -r misses those refs. | 21:24 |
| armax | amuller: keystone v2 is going away | 21:25 |
| garyk | ok, understood | 21:25 |
| ajo | armax, that's a good reason | 21:25 |
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| amuller | I hope they had an amazing reason to make backward incompatible changes in the keystone api | 21:25 |
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| amuller | because this is a huge waste of time IMO | 21:26 |
| armax | amuller: not sure talking about this here is going to make a difference | 21:26 |
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| amuller | ya just ranting | 21:26 |
| armax | amuller: it might not even be as bad as it sounds | 21:26 |
| kevinbenton | up next: splitting the scheduler out of nova ;) | 21:26 |
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| armax | amuller: all I have done flagging it was to make sure we have someone looking into it | 21:26 |
| sc68cal | kevinbenton: lol | 21:26 |
| armax | and tell us what needs to get done, so that we don’t embarass ourselves | 21:27 |
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| amuller | kevinbenton: don't forget adding a migration script from nova network | 21:27 |
| russellb | amuller: they did not, but that ship sailed years ago | 21:27 |
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| armax | to answer the question about the planning, we could target every work item to the ongoing milestone and let stuff roll over that hasn’t completed. | 21:29 |
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| armax | being careful we don’t oversubscribe ourselves too much | 21:30 |
| armax | one might argue that just the stuff targeting M1 might be enough for the entire release | 21:30 |
| russellb | looks like it could be :) | 21:30 |
| dougwig | it looks like more than a release, given our history | 21:30 |
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| armax | but if one drills down and see that some stuff has nearly complete the picture is not as bad | 21:31 |
| russellb | some of this won't make it, some unexpected other stuff will | 21:31 |
| armax | that said, we gotta figure out a better way to track progress of each individual effort | 21:31 |
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| armax | I have been mulling over a few options | 21:31 |
| armax | and I am going to share my proposal with you with those emails I mentioned before | 21:32 |
| armax | proposal/s | 21:32 |
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| armax | this is mostly because when we look at a BP I can’t never figure out for the life of me whether it’s complete or not | 21:32 |
| armax | even if we claim that it is | 21:33 |
| armax | anyhoo | 21:33 |
| ajo | makes sense | 21:33 |
| ajo | LP is very limited on that | 21:33 |
| armax | as for this very meeting | 21:33 |
| armax | we should probably get going to the next section | 21:34 |
| armax | anyone else wants to add anything else before we move on? | 21:34 |
| armax | going once, going twice, ... | 21:35 |
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| kevinbenton | 1+1 | 21:35 |
| armax | #topic Bugs | 21:35 |
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| russellb | ==2 | 21:35 |
| armax | so here we haven’t meet for the past 2 weeks | 21:35 |
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| armax | this week’s deputy is ajo | 21:36 |
| armax | ajo: thanks for joining at this late hour for you | 21:36 |
| ajo | Correct, I started triaging this afternoon | 21:37 |
| ajo | and I'm still on it, | 21:37 |
| armax | during the past few weeks numbers have kept on growing | 21:37 |
| armax | we are now at ~257 bugs filed since Mitaka started | 21:37 |
| ihrachys | sounds insane | 21:37 |
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| armax | ihrachys: I need to provide the breakdown for RFE’s | 21:38 |
| ajo | happy, to join, sometimes it's others early morning.. | 21:38 |
| ajo | yes, sounds like a lot | 21:38 |
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| armax | ihrachys: but unless my scripts are totally busted, that’s what we got so far | 21:38 |
| garyk | ajo: i can help out tomorrow morning | 21:38 |
| armax | ajo: anything newsworthy? | 21:39 |
| ajo | armax: nothing that sounded extreme, I saw a bug about instances not being able to do TCP connections when on the same host, but different network | 21:40 |
| armax | garyk: we have a tag ‘needs-attention’ that we use | 21:40 |
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| ajo | I think kevinbenton nailed it down to the user running a non-liberty version, | 21:40 |
| armax | garyk: in order to help back-to-back deputies coordinate the screening process | 21:40 |
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| garyk | ok | 21:40 |
| ihrachys | ajo: note we support other releases too | 21:41 |
| ajo | ihrachys , of course, we suggested him to explain which version he was running on, and | 21:41 |
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| ajo | ihrachys , to test an specific patch to confirm if that fixes it | 21:41 |
| ajo | kevinbenton did, in fact, I just asked for the version | 21:41 |
| ajo | armax, when do we exactly use "needs-attention" ? | 21:41 |
| armax | yes, deputies, don’t be shy to mark incomple any bug report that doesn’t provide enough information | 21:42 |
| ajo | armax : ack | 21:42 |
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| armax | ajo: I use it to mark bugs that may need an extra pair(s) of eyes | 21:43 |
| dougwig | is there a bug deputy manual? because i won't remember all these tidbits when my turn rolls around. | 21:43 |
| ajo | armax: ok, I'll use when I don't know who to send it to. | 21:43 |
| armax | dougwig: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/neutron/policies/bugs.html | 21:43 |
| armax | dougwig: I am surprised this question come from you :) | 21:44 |
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| dougwig | i knew about those docs, i meant something finer grained. tags in common use, common criteria for triage, etc. | 21:44 |
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| armax | dougwig: but yes, these things are easy to forget | 21:45 |
| dougwig | needs-attention is new, and i will likely forget about it, e.g. maybe it's just me and my terrible memory. | 21:45 |
| armax | dougwig: it’s in that link above, more can be added to further clarify the usage | 21:45 |
| armax | dougwig: or even remove it if we start realizing that it’s not that usefucl | 21:46 |
| armax | useful | 21:46 |
| dougwig | whoa, indeed, i guess i had never read that far. | 21:46 |
| armax | I initially thought about it as a way to have people swarm around a specific issue | 21:46 |
| * dougwig hides in shame. | 21:46 | |
| armax | rather that have them randomly wander around LP | 21:46 |
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| armax | ajo: anything more on bugs? | 21:49 |
| ajo | nothing outstanding sorry for not having a sound report for the meeting, it seems that today it was a local holiday and I got dragged out home until now -2h | 21:49 |
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| armax | ajo: no worries, we’ll ramp up after the slow weeks pre-during-post summit | 21:49 |
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| ajo | I will ping the right people if I find something serious, but I didn't find anything serious "enough" yet, just things that we need to fix, and incomplete reports | 21:49 |
| armax | emagana: ping on docs? | 21:50 |
| armax | #topic Docs | 21:50 |
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| emagana | Hi! | 21:50 |
| armax | Hi | 21:50 |
| emagana | We did not have meeting last week, so nothign from me this week | 21:50 |
| armax | ok cool, tnx | 21:50 |
| emagana | I will report next week | 21:50 |
| armax | #topic Open Discussion | 21:50 |
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| armax | we got 10 minutes to go over some of the topics proposed in teh on demand agenda | 21:51 |
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| kakuma | Hi armax, the ryu team announced about ofagent deprication in ML. | 21:51 |
| armax | top of the pile is pc_m’s request | 21:51 |
| armax | Decision on whether advanced services functional tests should run on Neutron commits - to reduce the change of cross-project breakage. (pc_m) | 21:51 |
| kakuma | We believe it is added to a release note in mitaka. Is this ok? | 21:51 |
| armax | kakuma: please wait your turn | 21:51 |
| pc_m | armax: That was from last meeting. | 21:51 |
| armax | pc_m: but we didn’t seem to have reached any consensus :) | 21:52 |
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| armax | pc_m: a few of us have a lengthy discussion(s) at the summit | 21:52 |
| armax | dougwig: hint hint | 21:52 |
| pc_m | armax: Talked to Doug at summit. Plan was to first modify existing jobs to use a single template (to clean up). | 21:52 |
| dougwig | sigh. :) | 21:53 |
| pc_m | armax: We could then add one of the jobs to Neutron, if desired. I'd suggest the strongswan one. | 21:53 |
| kakuma | sorry | 21:53 |
| armax | pc_m: a single template just for vpnaas? | 21:53 |
| amuller | where do we draw the line and why? there's what, we have the 3 advanced services, but the networking-foo projects are kinda in the same boat no? | 21:53 |
| dougwig | armax had the idea of moving the adv.services (and other semi-related neutron jobs) to the post-merge queue, so reduce gate breakage and check queue time. | 21:53 |
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| armax | amuller: yes | 21:53 |
| dougwig | in the meantime, lbaas jobs have been removed from the gate, as check queue coverage covers 99.9% of what i'm worried about. | 21:53 |
| amuller | and there's like 4,000 networking-foo projects, I think infra will be... chaffed | 21:53 |
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| garyk | amuller: body fglie | 21:54 |
| garyk | body glide | 21:54 |
| armax | so the idea so far is the following | 21:54 |
| dougwig | i'm totally cool with not *gating* on some of these related jobs. i think the question is whether we put those jobs into neutron's check queue, or some other build queue (post-merge, periodic, etc) | 21:55 |
| armax | all projects will eventually need to depend on neutron-lib | 21:55 |
| sc68cal | I'd be happy with neutron-fwaas in the check queue, but not gating | 21:55 |
| armax | and we can check/gate all neutron projects on that one | 21:55 |
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| amuller | if we're concerned about infra resources then putting something in the check queue is the worst case | 21:56 |
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| armax | in the intermin we move jobs to the post-merge queue | 21:56 |
| amuller | post-merge as armax is saying is a lower level of magnitude | 21:56 |
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| armax | and if we see that it goes on fire quickly we’ll revise the decision | 21:56 |
| dougwig | amuller: i've been told by infra that we shouldn't be debating the use of infra resources, they should be. at present, they have no directives as to quantity of check jobs. | 21:56 |
| armax | in the meantime we’ll have to ramp up on neutron-lib quickly | 21:56 |
| armax | it’s not a matter of resources | 21:57 |
| salv-orlando | plan makes sense to me | 21:57 |
| ajo | ++ | 21:57 |
| amuller | dougwig: That may be, but I happened to be present in one of the infra design sessions (The one about multinode testing) and they were saying that they're above capacity currently | 21:57 |
| armax | it’s a matter of defining a process that scales sensibly | 21:57 |
| salv-orlando | also as armax says you can revise and/or revert at any time | 21:57 |
| garyk | armax: that should be one of the BP's in the milestones. no? | 21:57 |
| armax | with the amount of stadium stuff we’ve got now | 21:57 |
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| armax | and we’ll have in the fture | 21:57 |
| armax | future | 21:57 |
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| salv-orlando | and to amuller point I do not thing networking-xxx and advanced services should be in the same bucket | 21:57 |
| armax | garyk: neutron-lib you mean? | 21:58 |
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| dougwig | which jobs are we moving? we have 23, some of which are very expensive (and multinode). how many? | 21:58 |
| ihrachys | they are NOT in the same bucket. networking-* are not part of official neutron releases. | 21:58 |
| dougwig | err, which jobs are we proposing moving, rather. | 21:58 |
| garyk | armax: yes | 21:58 |
| salv-orlando | the latter are integrating part of openstack/networking, the formers instead are "glue" between openstack networking and something else and avoiding cross breakage is entirely and only their interest | 21:58 |
| kevinbenton | TIME IS RUNNING OUT! | 21:58 |
| armax | garyk: I think we have it, I’ll make sure I target it | 21:59 |
| ajo | kevinbenton ':D | 21:59 |
| salv-orlando | ihrachys: sorry, I had the feeling amuller considered them at the same level | 21:59 |
| dougwig | i.e. moving lbaas+fwaas+vpnaas, in the interests of scale, and not moving any of the many dvr jobs, well, we're just not addressing the root node use issue. | 21:59 |
| ihrachys | salv-orlando: it looked like it, yes | 21:59 |
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| ajo | shall we move to #neutron ? | 21:59 |
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| kevinbenton | dougwig: perhaps we should just start with the lbaas job? ;) | 22:00 |
| ajo | #openstack-neutron, sorry | 22:00 |
| armax | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
| pc_m | ajo: yes | 22:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 9 22:00:09 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2015/networking.2015-11-09-21.00.html | 22:00 |
| salv-orlando | adieuuuuuu | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2015/networking.2015-11-09-21.00.txt | 22:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2015/networking.2015-11-09-21.00.log.html | 22:00 |
| garyk | yalla bye | 22:00 |
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| dougwig | kevinbenton: the 30 minute one? sigh. :) | 22:00 |
| amuller | ihrachys: salv-orlando: It all seems pretty arbitrary to me (Levels and so on) | 22:00 |
| salv-orlando | amuller: it is. Otherwise how could we express our opinionated opinions? | 22:00 |
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