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| aspiers | next meeting in 3 minutes is regarding HA: automated recovery from hypervisor failure | 08:57 |
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| aspiers | #startmeeting | 08:59 |
| openstack | aspiers: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 08:59 |
| aspiers | ah, the manual is wrong :) | 09:00 |
| aspiers | #startmeeting HA: automated recovery from hypervisor failure | 09:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 16 09:00:26 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is aspiers. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: HA: automated recovery from hypervisor failure)" | 09:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ha__automated_recovery_from_hypervisor_failure' | 09:00 |
| bogdando | hi | 09:00 |
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| aspiers | Hi all, and welcome to the (first ever?) official IRC meeting about OpenStack HA! | 09:01 |
| bogdando | o/ | 09:01 |
| _gryf | :) | 09:01 |
| masahito | hi o/ | 09:01 |
| ddeja | hi \o | 09:01 |
| aspiers | here is the etherpad we will be referring to: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/automatic-evacuation | 09:01 |
| bpiotrowski | hello | 09:01 |
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| aspiers | this meeting was arranged off the back of discussions in Tokyo on hypervisor HA | 09:02 |
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| aspiers | we have a few existing approaches within the community, and we were interested in trying to converge on one | 09:02 |
| aspiers | the etherpad lists all known existing approaches, plus some ideas on new approaches | 09:03 |
| bogdando | and probably put it in the HA guide as recommended :) | 09:03 |
| aspiers | exactly :) | 09:03 |
| aspiers | I think today we only have 30 mins or so, so I don't expect us to reach a complete plan for convergence :) | 09:03 |
| aspiers | although if that happens I will not complain ;) | 09:03 |
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| aspiers | but it's more about setting a general direction for how work should continue | 09:04 |
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| aspiers | should I give a very brief history for those who are new to this area? | 09:04 |
| _gryf | aspiers, pleas, do :) | 09:05 |
| aspiers | OK. The first approach on the etherpad (masakari) is from NTT and has some very nice features. | 09:05 |
| aspiers | The second was born out of conversations between Red Hat and Intel, and has a similar design. | 09:06 |
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| aspiers | The third was originally by Red Hat, and also used by SUSE. This one exposed some weaknesses in the design which the other two are trying to address. | 09:06 |
| beekhof | ok, i'm here too | 09:06 |
| aspiers | Mainly the unreliability of evacution | 09:07 |
| beekhof | too many channels :) | 09:07 |
| beekhof | what are we talking about? | 09:07 |
| aspiers | hey beekhof :) you didn't miss much but I guess you can catch up via the logs on the web | 09:07 |
| aspiers | I'm just summarising status quo for benefit of newcomers | 09:07 |
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| aspiers | then we have an entirely different approach from AWcloud and ChinaMobile which was presented in Tokyo | 09:08 |
| aspiers | it has some good ideas which a best of breed solution should probably incorporate | 09:08 |
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| aspiers | but it is fundamentally different (Pacemaker not used) | 09:08 |
| beekhof | ChinaMobile was tristack? | 09:08 |
| bogdando | could we define the evacuation term more precise? in terms of fencing as well. Is it just STONITH the host hypervisor node and relaunch instances another place, which would be like a reboot from the instances pov? | 09:08 |
| aspiers | so I guess it is impossible to converge with that codebase | 09:09 |
| bogdando | or is it live migration? | 09:09 |
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| aspiers | it is not live migration | 09:09 |
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| aspiers | so we have a problem with terminology unfortunately | 09:09 |
| aspiers | a long time ago the nova project chose the misnomer "evacuate" | 09:09 |
| _gryf | bogdando, evacuation is basically rebuilding vm on another host. it's post mortem process | 09:09 |
| beekhof | at the point a compute node is dead - there is nowhere to live migrate from | 09:09 |
| aspiers | exactly. it's really "resurrect" not "evacuate" | 09:09 |
| bogdando | okay, so it is like a reboot for its apps | 09:10 |
| aspiers | in Vancouver it was proposed to fix this naming by renaming to resurrect | 09:10 |
| bogdando | well in the guide that would be just a notem so everything would be clear | 09:10 |
| aspiers | but since then nothing has happened, and I spoke to Dan Smith about it who said he was -1.99 on the rename due to the impact | 09:10 |
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| bogdando | note* | 09:10 |
| aspiers | so it's unlikely to happen any time soon | 09:10 |
| aspiers | so yes, we'll just have to be clear what we mean, especially in docs | 09:11 |
| bogdando | not a problem, just to be on the same page here | 09:11 |
| aspiers | bogdando: thanks for the clarification, I had forgotten to mention that :) | 09:11 |
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| bogdando | it seems all methods are about pacemaker | 09:12 |
| _gryf | bogdando, not really | 09:12 |
| bogdando | and I like it personally. But do we make a R&D around its fancy alternatives? | 09:12 |
| bogdando | do we want to*? | 09:13 |
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| aspiers | that's a good question | 09:13 |
| aspiers | what alternatives are there? | 09:13 |
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| aspiers | BTW I suspect most people in this meeting want to stick with Pacemaker but we can put it to the vote for sure | 09:13 |
| bogdando | note, we probably may want to sync with a DLM initiative | 09:13 |
| beekhof | keepalived is about all (from a high level view, not the instance HA part) | 09:14 |
| bogdando | if they decided to stick with zookeper or etcd or consul | 09:14 |
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| aspiers | the AWcloud/ChinaMobile approach uses consul/raft/gossip | 09:14 |
| bogdando | so to keep ops less frustrated it would be nice we to use the same solution | 09:14 |
| oomichi | andreaf: it was easy to rename BaseComputeTest to BaseV2ComputeTest due to number of lines | 09:14 |
| aspiers | frankly, moving away from Pacemaker would be too much rework for SUSE | 09:14 |
| beekhof | fwiw, i spent most of the day starting to pull in a lot of the content from https://github.com/beekhof/osp-ha-deploy into the ha-guide | 09:15 |
| aspiers | so it's pretty unlikely we'd do that | 09:15 |
| bogdando | just to not introduce yet another control plane | 09:15 |
| * oomichi sorry for interuppting. | 09:15 | |
| beekhof | redhat is staying with pacemaker too | 09:15 |
| aspiers | also the upstream HA guide is already Pacemaker-based | 09:16 |
| aspiers | and so is Masakari | 09:16 |
| masahito | NTT also pant to use pacemaker. | 09:16 |
| bogdando | yes, pacemaker is a part of ref. arch already | 09:16 |
| masahito | s/pant/plan/ | 09:16 |
| aspiers | of course anyone is free to do R&D around other technologies at any time | 09:17 |
| beekhof | everyone is entitled to their opinions, as long as they understand they are wrong :) | 09:17 |
| aspiers | lol :) | 09:17 |
| bogdando | and make sure it would be not diverge from the control plane /distributed consensus solution picked by the DLM initiative, I'd say | 09:18 |
| aspiers | given that 1) we already have a very good platform based on Pacemaker and 2) we are pretty confident we can implement solid hypervisor HA on top of it, I'm not sure it makes much sense for us to research other options | 09:18 |
| aspiers | unless it's to steal ideas :) | 09:18 |
| bogdando | I mean ops would barely be happy to see pacemaker and consul and zookeper in one deploy | 09:18 |
| aspiers | bogdando: agreed | 09:19 |
| aspiers | one cluster manager is enough :) | 09:19 |
| bogdando | let's push pacemaker to the DLM topic! :) | 09:19 |
| bogdando | sorry for offtopic | 09:19 |
| aspiers | :) | 09:19 |
| aspiers | so are we agreed to stick with Pacemaker for now? | 09:20 |
| bogdando | It seems so | 09:20 |
| _gryf | yup | 09:20 |
| beekhof | well i'm not going to say no | 09:21 |
| masahito | agree | 09:21 |
| aspiers | #agreed hypervisor HA solution will be based on Pacemaker | 09:21 |
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| aspiers | so, most obvious path to me is to converge masakari with evacuationd | 09:21 |
| _gryf | aspiers, how about mistral solution? | 09:21 |
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| aspiers | Nova{Compute,Evacuate} RAs work fine with known limitations, but are kind of a dead end, right? | 09:21 |
| aspiers | _gryf: oh yes, sorry I forgot about that | 09:22 |
| bogdando | note, there is kilometers of bash, would it be a maintainable well solution? | 09:22 |
| bogdando | I mean masakari | 09:22 |
| aspiers | bogdando: IIRC both masakari and evacuationd are Python? | 09:22 |
| bogdando | we may want the bats tests at least, may be | 09:22 |
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| bogdando | well, as I understood from the repo, it is pure bash? | 09:23 |
| aspiers | I am strongly in favour of the solution being mainly in Python | 09:23 |
| _gryf | evacuationd is in pure python | 09:23 |
| aspiers | bogdando: ah, I didn't look at the code yet | 09:23 |
| aspiers | no, masakari has a bunch of Python | 09:23 |
| aspiers | 73.5% according to github | 09:23 |
| bogdando | I like bash, but we should care of unit tests as well | 09:23 |
| bogdando | hm, ok then | 09:23 |
| bogdando | example https://github.com/ntt-sic/masakari/blob/master/masakari-hostmonitor/hostmonitor/hostmonitor.sh | 09:24 |
| masahito | Only masakari's RAs are basing on bash. Masakari's controller is written Python. | 09:24 |
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| aspiers | I think both Masakari and evacuationD do a pretty good job of using standard OpenStack tech | 09:24 |
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| beekhof | bogdando: most pacemaker agents are written in bash. they can be in python but miss out on the common library functions | 09:25 |
| aspiers | true, although most RAs are very simple and quite short | 09:25 |
| aspiers | so bash is tolerable | 09:25 |
| beekhof | thats why you'd be seeing bash at all i imagine | 09:25 |
| aspiers | right | 09:25 |
| _gryf | otoh openstack is mainly in python, so interacting with nova would have much more sense if we go into python | 09:26 |
| bogdando | I'm not sure if it is restricted to the RA for mamsakari | 09:26 |
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| beekhof | _gryf: agreed | 09:26 |
| bogdando | limited* | 09:27 |
| bogdando | bash for RA is acceptedd practice, agree | 09:27 |
| bogdando | but for the rest? | 09:27 |
| aspiers | question for the Intel guys: how attached are you to evacuationd? e.g. would you be ok with the idea of switching to masakari and then porting over any features from evacuationd which it is missing? | 09:27 |
| _gryf | we have no problem with deprecating evacuationd | 09:28 |
| aspiers | IIRC, masakari already persists to database which is nice. Does it use SQLalchemy? I can't remember | 09:29 |
| beekhof | is one clearly better than the other? | 09:29 |
| aspiers | there are pros and cons to both | 09:29 |
| masahito | Masakari use SQLalchemy to access DB. | 09:29 |
| aspiers | as listed in the etherpad | 09:29 |
| aspiers | I think the main thing which would need fixing with masakari is to port it to use pacemaker_remote | 09:29 |
| aspiers | so that it can scale | 09:30 |
| aspiers | currently compute nodes are grouped into 16s | 09:30 |
| bogdando | regarding masakari " corosync's scaling limits, compute nodes are grouped into 16-node clusters" why to not use pacemaker-remote? | 09:30 |
| aspiers | but I doubt that would be hard | 09:30 |
| beekhof | i think that would be the first thing RH would want to change :) | 09:30 |
| aspiers | and SUSE :) | 09:30 |
| beekhof | masahito: any problem there? | 09:30 |
| bogdando | aspiers, oops, you was first | 09:31 |
| masahito | I don't have any problem to change pacemaker remote. | 09:31 |
| _gryf | other than that, there would be a need for selecting certain vms for resurrecting - we already have that in evacuationd | 09:31 |
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| beekhof | _gryf: good point | 09:32 |
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| aspiers | _gryf: sounds nice, how would that work? | 09:32 |
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| beekhof | aspiers: atttribute on the instance in nova iirc | 09:32 |
| _gryf | we had it implemented through the flavor extra specs and vm metadata | 09:32 |
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| beekhof | _gryf: did you get around to using a db for persistance in evacuationd? | 09:32 |
| aspiers | oh, you mean something a bit like availability zones? | 09:32 |
| aspiers | _gryf: e.g. selecting which VMs are pets vs. cattle? | 09:33 |
| bogdando | what about the MQ? Do masakari use it? | 09:33 |
| _gryf | beekhof, we didn't made any changes due to discussion we had | 09:33 |
| _gryf | aspiers, right | 09:33 |
| aspiers | bogdando: I think they use HTTP requests | 09:33 |
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| bogdando | should we also keep in mind the Mistral alternative in the list? Looks like a high level coordintaion for masakari as well | 09:34 |
| beekhof | yes | 09:34 |
| aspiers | +1 | 09:34 |
| aspiers | what's the first action we could take regarding Mistral? | 09:34 |
| bogdando | how wouldwe want to proceed with PoC? | 09:34 |
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| aspiers | I guess it's still in the R&D phase regarding hypervisor HA | 09:35 |
| ddeja | right now I'm working on POC using mistral that will auto evacuate VMs | 09:35 |
| aspiers | cool! | 09:35 |
| beekhof | _gryf: how far off is that project from conceptually being able to support what we want? | 09:35 |
| _gryf | we have this almost working :) | 09:35 |
| beekhof | wow | 09:35 |
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| bogdando | ddeja, would be nice to join your efforts | 09:35 |
| beekhof | awesome | 09:35 |
| bogdando | if possible | 09:35 |
| aspiers | ddeja: perhaps you can give a quick summary of how that works and where you are with it? | 09:36 |
| beekhof | so do we park this thread until we hear how the mistral PoC went? | 09:36 |
| bogdando | any action item then? | 09:36 |
| ddeja | bogdando: no problem, I can share code on github | 09:36 |
| aspiers | beekhof: I suggest we hear some details first before deciding | 09:36 |
| bogdando | great! | 09:36 |
| aspiers | yes please, github would be great | 09:36 |
| aspiers | ddeja / _gryf: are you able to quickly summarise now? | 09:37 |
| bogdando | aspiers, action item please? | 09:37 |
| _gryf | aspiers, yup | 09:37 |
| _gryf | so the idea is simple | 09:37 |
| _gryf | prepare small action class (in python) | 09:37 |
| beekhof | ok, i need to head out guys (its my wedding anniversary and its getting late here) | 09:37 |
| aspiers | #action ddeja will share mistral PoC code on github | 09:38 |
| _gryf | plus the workflow (which is basically a yaml) | 09:38 |
| beekhof | i'll read up on the weblog though | 09:38 |
| aspiers | beekhof: whoa, run before you get in trouble ;-) congrats and thanks for attending! | 09:38 |
| _gryf | and then proceed like with other solution - trigger it from pacemaker | 09:38 |
| bogdando | beekhof, congrats! | 09:38 |
| _gryf | mistral would take care of the evacuation | 09:38 |
| masahito | beekhof: congrats! | 09:38 |
| ddeja | _gryf: this action class is needed only for selecting which VM should be evacuated (so resolving pet vs cattle problem) | 09:38 |
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| _gryf | ddeja, right, but it;s one of our assumption | 09:39 |
| bogdando | could this also help us to build the solution with a solid logging for events? http://blog.clusterlabs.org/blog/2015/reliable-notifications/ | 09:40 |
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| _gryf | and the main point regarding mistral is, that it's a quite stable project now | 09:40 |
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| aspiers | that sounds cool to me, looking forward to seeing more details | 09:40 |
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| _gryf | a soon we have the poc working, I'll make some more detailed description on the etherpad. | 09:41 |
| aspiers | #action _gryf will update the etherpad with more details of the mistral PoC | 09:42 |
| _gryf | +! | 09:42 |
| _gryf | +1 | 09:42 |
| _gryf | :) | 09:42 |
| aspiers | :) | 09:42 |
| aspiers | so do we want to work in parallel on masakari / mistral, or hold off for a short while? | 09:43 |
| bogdando | My vote is for Mistral PoC as well | 09:43 |
| aspiers | masakari has three levels of monitoring which is really nice - could mistral do that too? | 09:43 |
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| aspiers | and can mistral itself be made HA? | 09:44 |
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| aspiers | if not, how much work is that? | 09:44 |
| aspiers | obviously there's no point designing an HA system around a component which is a SPoF :) | 09:44 |
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| aspiers | just trying to figure out what's likely in the short vs. long term | 09:44 |
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| _gryf | aspiers, we can make it to monitor - actually, we can make it through pacemaker | 09:45 |
| _gryf | *all 3 levels | 09:45 |
| bogdando | I believe the HA based solution with pacemaker for Mistral would be the same as for the rest OpenStack projects | 09:45 |
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| aspiers | bogdando: so it's basically stateless? | 09:45 |
| bogdando | A/P or A/A for multiple API instances, what else? | 09:45 |
| aspiers | all state in the DB I guess? | 09:46 |
| bogdando | depends on if it is stateless, yes | 09:46 |
| _gryf | regarding ha - there is a priority to make mistral HA in the mitaka cycle | 09:46 |
| aspiers | ok cool | 09:46 |
| bogdando | _gryf, OCF_CHECK_LEVEL? | 09:47 |
| bogdando | are we about those levels? | 09:47 |
| bogdando | we could make as many of them as we want | 09:47 |
| _gryf | bogdando, look at the masakari project - there are 3 levels of failure check | 09:47 |
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| _gryf | vm, process (libvirt/compute) and host | 09:48 |
| aspiers | I'd like to know how much potential there is for convergence between Mistral PoC and Masakari, but maybe it's too early to discuss that and we should wait until more details of Mistral PoC first? | 09:48 |
| bogdando | perhaps | 09:48 |
| aspiers | like I said, I didn't expect us to solve everything in the first meeting ;-) | 09:48 |
| _gryf | aspiers, I would wait | 09:48 |
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| bogdando | anyway we did not bad already :) | 09:49 |
| aspiers | right :) | 09:49 |
| aspiers | I think we can continue the architectural conversations on #openstack-ha and openstack-dev mailing list, right? | 09:49 |
| _gryf | aspiers, sure | 09:49 |
| aspiers | #openstack-ha is logged, so noone has to miss discussions | 09:50 |
| aspiers | also, please make sure to include "[HA]" Subject: prefix for discussions on openstack-dev | 09:50 |
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| aspiers | ttx configured mailman for this prefix so you can even do server-side filtering for that topic now | 09:50 |
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| aspiers | masahito: once more details of Mistral PoC are released, would you be able to look at it and assess possibility of convergence? | 09:51 |
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| masahito | aspiers: yes. | 09:52 |
| aspiers | great, thanks! | 09:52 |
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| masahito | I think we would converge both as long term goal | 09:52 |
| aspiers | agreed :) | 09:52 |
| masahito | btw, which do you all easy to push codes to Masakari using stackforge or github? | 09:52 |
| aspiers | #action masahito will investigate possibility of converging masakari with Mistral PoC, once details of the latter are published | 09:52 |
| aspiers | masahito: I guess gerrit/stackforge is preferred | 09:53 |
| _gryf | for a poc level I think gh is alright | 09:53 |
| aspiers | true, either works | 09:53 |
| aspiers | if we need to set anything up on gerrit, I can help with that | 09:54 |
| _gryf | then, if we decide to go either way, gerrit/stackfroge will be a way :) | 09:54 |
| aspiers | I already went through that process for openstack-resource-agents so I know how to do it | 09:54 |
| _gryf | great | 09:54 |
| masahito | aspiers: great | 09:54 |
| masahito | Do I start to move the repo to stackforge? | 09:55 |
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| aspiers | masahito: also would you be able to investigate what work would be needed to switch masakari to pacemaker_remote? | 09:55 |
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| masahito | aspiers: not yet. because we didn't try it. | 09:55 |
| aspiers | masahito: I would guess no rush to move to stackforge yet, but of course you can if you want | 09:55 |
| masahito | aspiers: meaning just think the idea, but not implementing. | 09:56 |
| aspiers | ok, we are approaching the end of the 60 minutes | 09:56 |
| masahito | aspiers: ok. I'll wait suitable time :) | 09:56 |
| aspiers | masahito: right. if you have ideas on pacemaker_remote implementation then please share them on IRC or mailing list | 09:56 |
| aspiers | anybody want to raise anything else before we close? | 09:57 |
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| aspiers | otherwise let's continue on #openstack-ha and openstack-dev (with "[HA]" in Subject: line :) | 09:57 |
| _gryf | it was fruitfull meeting :) thx everyone :) | 09:57 |
| aspiers | yeah great first meeting, thanks a lot everyone! | 09:58 |
| masahito | bye! | 09:58 |
| aspiers | #agreed we'll continue discussion on #openstack-ha and openstack-dev (with "[HA]" in Subject: line :) | 09:58 |
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| aspiers | thanks everyone, see you same time/place next week! | 09:59 |
| aspiers | #endmeeting | 09:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 16 09:59:37 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha__automated_recovery_from_hypervisor_failure/2015/ha__automated_recovery_from_hypervisor_failure.2015-11-16-09.00.html | 09:59 |
| _gryf | yup, bye! | 09:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha__automated_recovery_from_hypervisor_failure/2015/ha__automated_recovery_from_hypervisor_failure.2015-11-16-09.00.txt | 09:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha__automated_recovery_from_hypervisor_failure/2015/ha__automated_recovery_from_hypervisor_failure.2015-11-16-09.00.log.html | 09:59 |
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| boris-42 | #startmeeting Rally | 14:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 16 14:02:03 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is boris-42. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 14:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rally' | 14:02 |
| rvasilets | Hi | 14:02 |
| chenli | hi | 14:02 |
| boris-42 | ping andreykurilin ikhudoshyn oanufriev rvasilets | 14:02 |
| amaretskiy | hi | 14:02 |
| ylobankov__ | hi | 14:02 |
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| ikhudoshyn | o/ | 14:03 |
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| boris-42 | #link meeting Agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Rally | 14:03 |
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| boris-42 | let's wait for a second for redixin | 14:04 |
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| redixin | -_- | 14:04 |
| oanufriev__ | hi all | 14:04 |
| boris-42 | #topic [redixin] Unsafe self.context usage by contexts. Any context may damage data of any other context. | 14:05 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "[redixin] Unsafe self.context usage by contexts. Any context may damage data of any other context. (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 14:05 | |
| boris-42 | it's not unsafe it's how it should be done and how rally works | 14:05 |
| redixin | ok | 14:05 |
| redixin | next topic | 14:05 |
| redixin | -_- | 14:05 |
| boris-42 | redixin: ok | 14:05 |
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| boris-42 | redixin: it's really nice because it allows you to connect data to specific object (in our case user or tenant) | 14:06 |
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| boris-42 | redixin: otherwise all the stuff would look like a mess | 14:06 |
| kun_huang | is it unsafe because the same memory address of both? | 14:06 |
| redixin | there a lot of code in context, like this" self.context["some_key"] = some_value | 14:06 |
| kun_huang | yep | 14:06 |
| boris-42 | kun_huang: redixin and what? | 14:06 |
| redixin | what if other context working with same key? | 14:07 |
| kun_huang | change the value of that address | 14:07 |
| amaretskiy | we can make a class based on dict with freeze_key() method | 14:07 |
| boris-42 | redixin: it will be wrong written borken context | 14:07 |
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| boris-42 | GUYS | 14:07 |
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| boris-42 | we don't need that | 14:07 |
| boris-42 | Most of OpenStack Context classes WON'T work | 14:08 |
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| boris-42 | because they have specified for user resources | 14:08 |
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| boris-42 | in other words we need to change what is inside ["users"] and ["tenants"] keys | 14:09 |
| redixin | so it is ok to do self.context["key"] = value? no setdefault or other checks? | 14:09 |
| boris-42 | redixin: yep it is ok | 14:10 |
| rvasilets | We could check before and after context is it the same self.context | 14:10 |
| rvasilets | if its needed | 14:10 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets: it won't be the same whole GOAL of context class is to change self.context | 14:10 |
| rvasilets | before setup() and after cleanup() | 14:10 |
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| redixin | i just thought to propose some dict-like object for this purpose | 14:11 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets: there is no requirements to change back self.conetxt | 14:11 |
| rvasilets | ofcause its bad in terms of persistence context | 14:11 |
| rvasilets | We could add such requirements) | 14:11 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets: it's bad overall I don't know any of case where it will work | 14:12 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets: why? just to make life harder? | 14:12 |
| redixin | like self.context.push(key, value); self.context.pop(key) | 14:12 |
| boris-42 | redixin: it's now always the key in first level | 14:12 |
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| rvasilets | No. I just try to support you discussion | 14:12 |
| boris-42 | redixin: and it's not always such simple change | 14:12 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets: like push(), pop() sometimes people want to "change" | 14:13 |
| redixin | okay. move on | 14:13 |
| boris-42 | redixin: I really don't thing that we can do here anything... | 14:13 |
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| boris-42 | Okay let's move to next topic | 14:15 |
| boris-42 | #topic [amaretskiy] Proposal of improvements for scenario output format | 14:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "[amaretskiy] Proposal of improvements for scenario output format (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 14:15 | |
| boris-42 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/237632/ | 14:15 |
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| amaretskiy | There is a feature wanted - we need task results format with improved output | 14:16 |
| amaretskiy | and spec is ready for review | 14:16 |
| amaretskiy | i will start implementing this immediately after spec is merged :) | 14:16 |
| amaretskiy | please review | 14:16 |
| amaretskiy | eom :) | 14:16 |
| kun_huang | looking | 14:17 |
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| boris-42 | amaretskiy: okay we will take a look | 14:19 |
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| boris-42 | amaretskiy: so I don't like the methods names | 14:20 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: they are too long to remember | 14:20 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: and it's interface | 14:20 |
| boris-42 | so seems like it's bad interface | 14:20 |
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| amaretskiy | no problem, please give comments and we will go ahead | 14:21 |
| boris-42 | add_complete_output and add_additive_output I would make 10 typos writing this | 14:21 |
| amaretskiy | ok | 14:21 |
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| boris-42 | anybody else agree on this? | 14:21 |
| boris-42 | redixin: kun_huang ^ | 14:21 |
| amaretskiy | i thought that `add' and `output' should be in names | 14:21 |
| kun_huang | I'm not good at naming... | 14:22 |
| amaretskiy | we can have single method | 14:22 |
| amaretskiy | add_output(additive=True) | 14:22 |
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| amaretskiy | or `set_output()' (set is better that add since we can call this only once) | 14:23 |
| amaretskiy | *than | 14:23 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: set is bad | 14:23 |
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| boris-42 | amaretskiy: because add allows you to call it many times | 14:24 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: set is something that you would like to call once | 14:24 |
| ikhudoshyn | (additive=True) is definitely bad | 14:24 |
| amaretskiy | yes, current spec allows calling only once | 14:24 |
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| boris-42 | amaretskiy: but why? | 14:25 |
| ikhudoshyn | amaretskiy: i guess it allows calling only once per output | 14:25 |
| amaretskiy | what is really important is how to make scenarios saving consistent output | 14:25 |
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| boris-42 | amaretskiy: ikhudoshyn users should be able to call any amount of times each time adding one more graph | 14:25 |
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| ikhudoshyn | boris-42: exactly | 14:26 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: it is code if they don't have "if" or "e;lse" in code they will be equal | 14:26 |
| amaretskiy | for example some scenario adds additive data for `foo_duration' twice | 14:26 |
| amaretskiy | this will draw 2 points on chart | 14:26 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: rally can't gurantee that you won't shoot your head by gun | 14:26 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: especially on level of plugins | 14:26 |
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| amaretskiy | in this case - yes, we can give full freedom to scenario | 14:27 |
| ikhudoshyn | amaretskiy: that's exactly what I'd expect | 14:27 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: it will be always possible to write wrong plugin because it is code | 14:27 |
| amaretskiy | actually it is hard (but possible) to check output of each scenario | 14:27 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: and that is okay | 14:27 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: it should add 2 graphs | 14:27 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: he will run it and see that something is wrong and he will fix the code | 14:27 |
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| amaretskiy | ok | 14:28 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: writing dummy protections in code on runtime doesn't seem like a good plan | 14:28 |
| amaretskiy | running add_* many times - agreed | 14:28 |
| amaretskiy | but what about naming? | 14:28 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: naming is bad.. | 14:28 |
| amaretskiy | no ideas | 14:28 |
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| boris-42 | amaretskiy: I can't give a fast suggestion | 14:31 |
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| amaretskiy | ok | 14:31 |
| amaretskiy | i think we do not need fast decisions | 14:31 |
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| boris-42 | so i believe we #ageed on maing it possilbe to call many times | 14:32 |
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| boris-42 | graphs | 14:32 |
| amaretskiy | yes | 14:32 |
| boris-42 | ok | 14:32 |
| boris-42 | Okay let's move to open disucssion | 14:32 |
| boris-42 | #topic Open Disucssion | 14:32 |
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| boris-42 | so anything to discuss? | 14:33 |
| rvasilets | no | 14:33 |
| amaretskiy | nothing from mine | 14:33 |
| oanufriev | nothing for me | 14:33 |
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| chenli | I have a question, what scenario I can add to rally ,what I can't ? | 14:34 |
| ikhudoshyn | I'd like to encourage everyone to take a look at distributed runner spec | 14:34 |
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| ikhudoshyn | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/236979/ | 14:34 |
| boris-42 | chenli: basically you can add any of sceanrios | 14:35 |
| rvasilets | Ok | 14:35 |
| boris-42 | chenli: currently rally is a bit hardcoded for OpenStack but I hope some days this will be fixed | 14:35 |
| chenli | boris-42, yes, that's true. then, what scenario would be accepted into rally branch ? | 14:36 |
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| chenli | for example, recently I did a lot of test about ping.. we have many many instances in the cloud, we want to test the ping latency.. | 14:36 |
| chenli | I might have a scenario by my own. | 14:36 |
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| chenli | can I also add this to rally master tree ? | 14:37 |
| boris-42 | chenli: at least you can try | 14:37 |
| boris-42 | chenli: we can add specialy context "existing_servers" | 14:37 |
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| boris-42 | chenli: and have scenario that works only with this context | 14:37 |
| boris-42 | chenli: like ping one | 14:37 |
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| chenli | that sound's good. | 14:38 |
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| boris-42 | so I think we covered all topics for today? | 14:40 |
| boris-42 | anything else? | 14:40 |
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| kun_huang | boris-42: what about the plan of osprofiler? (is it okay to talk about it here?) | 14:42 |
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| boris-42 | kun_huang: yep it is okay to talk here about it | 14:44 |
| boris-42 | kun_huang: DinaBelova is doing well=) | 14:44 |
| boris-42 | kun_huang: we cut recently new release https://github.com/openstack/osprofiler/releases | 14:44 |
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| boris-42 | kun_huang: that allows to use osprofiler without having parameters in api-paste.ini file | 14:45 |
| boris-42 | kun_huang: as far as I know DinaBelova is fixing current integration with Ceilometer | 14:45 |
| boris-42 | kun_huang: and fixing all projects | 14:45 |
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| DinaBelova | boris-42, kun_huang - yep | 14:45 |
| DinaBelova | I | 14:45 |
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| kun_huang | boris-42: good, I have a meeting with QA team of my company | 14:46 |
| DinaBelova | will start owrking on the multi backend then | 14:46 |
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| kun_huang | it's time to introduce rally and osprofiler | 14:46 |
| DinaBelova | kun_huang - cool :) | 14:46 |
| boris-42 | kun_huang: great=) | 14:46 |
| kun_huang | I hope they could try to fix some basic issues themselves | 14:46 |
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| kun_huang | so I could do some easy review ;) | 14:46 |
| boris-42 | kun_huang: so currently osprofiler seems like broken | 14:47 |
| boris-42 | kun_huang: because of changes in ceilometer | 14:47 |
| boris-42 | DinaBelova: btw did you fix it at the end?) | 14:47 |
| DinaBelova | boris-42 - yep, right now it works | 14:47 |
| DinaBelova | although in the minimal way | 14:47 |
| DinaBelova | due to the fact ceilometer is not able to store all payload now | 14:47 |
| kun_huang | boris-42: I know google dapper, so I could introduce the similiar ideas | 14:47 |
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| DinaBelova | boris-42 - it requires full declarative definition | 14:48 |
| DinaBelova | that's not possible in osprofiler general use case, where user can place everything in the args/kwargs | 14:48 |
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| kun_huang | DinaBelova: do you need ceilometer guy to help? | 14:48 |
| DinaBelova | kun_huang - found already :) | 14:48 |
| DinaBelova | ityaptin will work on that | 14:49 |
| kun_huang | DinaBelova: nice | 14:49 |
| boris-42 | DinaBelova: that overall sucks | 14:49 |
| DinaBelova | :D | 14:49 |
| boris-42 | DinaBelova: is it possible to get some improvements in Ceilometer to keep such values? | 14:49 |
| DinaBelova | https://drive.google.com/a/mirantis.com/file/d/0ByRtVrZu5ifzSGhmbVI0Ynp4NVE/view?usp=sharing - here is the report I was able to generate for glance create image | 14:49 |
| DinaBelova | boris-42 - yep, Ilya will work on that | 14:50 |
| boris-42 | DinaBelova: oh great | 14:50 |
| DinaBelova | ityaptin I mean :) | 14:50 |
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| boris-42 | DinaBelova: I don't see DB points | 14:51 |
| DinaBelova | I did not turn them on | 14:51 |
| boris-42 | DinaBelova: heh | 14:51 |
| DinaBelova | boris-42 - I will do that | 14:51 |
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| boris-42 | DinaBelova: and you won't see DB queires | 14:51 |
| boris-42 | DinaBelova: which is important=) | 14:51 |
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| boris-42 | DinaBelova: so do we need to merge your fix in osprofiler? | 14:51 |
| boris-42 | DinaBelova: to get such traces? | 14:52 |
| DinaBelova | boris-42 - I was trying to start with basics :D | 14:52 |
| DinaBelova | well, yep | 14:52 |
| DinaBelova | I'm fixing tests right now | 14:52 |
| DinaBelova | then I was planning to go to DB requests tracing | 14:52 |
| DinaBelova | to ensure they work / do not work without specific event definition | 14:52 |
| boris-42 | DinaBelova: =) | 14:53 |
| DinaBelova | I think it will work with the needed definitions | 14:53 |
| boris-42 | DinaBelova: in any case it's at least collecitng data and fethcing them | 14:53 |
| boris-42 | =) | 14:53 |
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| DinaBelova | although I'll ask you not to merge my change until I'll give you report with DB part | 14:54 |
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| DinaBelova | just in case | 14:54 |
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| boris-42 | DinaBelova: no worries I am expert in non merging patches | 14:54 |
| boris-42 | =) | 14:54 |
| DinaBelova | :D | 14:54 |
| DinaBelova | I never thought it'll be easy :D | 14:54 |
| DinaBelova | so everything as expected | 14:54 |
| DinaBelova | :D | 14:54 |
| boris-42 | DinaBelova: =) | 14:55 |
| boris-42 | kun_huang: btw I will try to update maybe today Oslo Spec for OSProfiler | 14:55 |
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| DinaBelova | boris-42 - that will be cool | 14:56 |
| kun_huang | yep, it is useful for to introduce it | 14:56 |
| boris-42 | DinaBelova: kun_huang ok | 14:57 |
| boris-42 | kun_huang: it's here just in case https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103825/ | 14:58 |
| boris-42 | okay let's end meeting | 14:58 |
| boris-42 | see you next week | 14:58 |
| boris-42 | #endmeeting | 14:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 16 14:58:09 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2015/rally.2015-11-16-14.02.html | 14:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2015/rally.2015-11-16-14.02.txt | 14:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2015/rally.2015-11-16-14.02.log.html | 14:58 |
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| anteaya | #startmeeting third-party | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 16 15:00:18 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 15:00 |
| anteaya | hello | 15:00 |
| lennyb_ | hi | 15:00 |
| anteaya | hi lennyb_ | 15:00 |
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| lennyb_ | anteaya: how are you? | 15:00 |
| anteaya | I'm well thanks | 15:00 |
| anteaya | beautiful day outside | 15:00 |
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| anteaya | and yourself? | 15:01 |
| lennyb_ | relatively good :) | 15:01 |
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| anteaya | good, glad to hear it | 15:01 |
| anteaya | do you have anything you want to discuss today? | 15:01 |
| asselin__ | o/ | 15:02 |
| anteaya | morning asselin__ | 15:02 |
| rfolco | hi | 15:02 |
| mmedvede | o/ | 15:02 |
| lennyb_ | I think we've found the source of our failures with the glance. | 15:02 |
| anteaya | hello rfolco and mmedvede | 15:02 |
| anteaya | lennyb_: did you? | 15:02 |
| asselin__ | good mornign | 15:02 |
| mmedvede | morning | 15:02 |
| anteaya | lennyb_: what did you learn? | 15:02 |
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| anteaya | while I wait on lennyb_, did anyone have anything they wanted to discuss today? | 15:03 |
| lennyb_ | we are using jenkins user to run CI, this user has NFS home folder, so recent commit with writing cloud.yaml in the home directory of jenkins that is shared among all the Slaves was casing an errors | 15:04 |
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| anteaya | lennyb_: ah | 15:04 |
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| anteaya | good find | 15:04 |
| lennyb_ | now we are using local stack user | 15:04 |
| asselin__ | which commit? | 15:05 |
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| lennyb_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/237461/ | 15:05 |
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| anteaya | so your change was causing your error | 15:07 |
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| anteaya | is anyone else affected by this? | 15:07 |
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| lennyb_ | anteaya: my change was a fix to another commit. 1 sec I will find it | 15:08 |
| anteaya | lennyb_: but you said that it was also causing your error, which you fixed by using the local stack user | 15:08 |
| anteaya | unless I am mis-understanding what you are trying to tell me | 15:09 |
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| anteaya | before we spend a lot more time on this, do other folks have things they want to discuss today? | 15:10 |
| lennyb_ | I fixed the use of sudo when writing in the $HOME, since sudo does not have permissions to write in the $HOME of the $USER | 15:10 |
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| anteaya | lennyb_: have you a patch url? | 15:10 |
| * lennyb_ looking for | 15:10 | |
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| mmedvede | I did not see any permission-related problems on our side. lennyb_ , are you using standard infra-inspired pipeline for your CI? | 15:11 |
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| lennyb_ | mmedvede: are you using global user of the network with home on NFS folder? | 15:12 |
| mmedvede | no | 15:13 |
| lennyb_ | mmedvede: then you are not effected | 15:13 |
| mmedvede | I guess this is why then | 15:13 |
| anteaya | lennyb_: I'm concerned you might be digging yourself into a hole with your modifications | 15:13 |
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| anteaya | you seem to be encountering issues others aren't | 15:14 |
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| anteaya | but I don't want to take to much time on this if you feel the issue is fixed | 15:15 |
| anteaya | does anyone have anything more they want to say on this topic? | 15:15 |
| anteaya | does anyone have anything else they would like to discuss today? | 15:16 |
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| lennyb_ | anteaya: the issue is fixed. thanks. I will keep in mind your suggestion | 15:17 |
| anteaya | lennyb_: okay thanks | 15:17 |
| anteaya | no other issue to discuss today? | 15:17 |
| anteaya | any objection to me closing the meeting? | 15:17 |
| anteaya | thanks all for your attendance and participation today | 15:18 |
| asselin__ | thanks anteaya | 15:18 |
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| mmedvede | thank you | 15:18 |
| anteaya | enjoy the rest of your day/evening | 15:18 |
| anteaya | see you next week | 15:18 |
| anteaya | #endmeeting | 15:18 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 16 15:18:36 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:18 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-11-16-15.00.html | 15:18 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2015/third_party.2015-11-16-15.00.txt | 15:18 |
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| rakhmerov | #startmeeting Mistral | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 16 16:00:41 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rakhmerov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral' | 16:00 |
| nmakhotkin_ | hi everyone! | 16:00 |
| rakhmerov | hi, please name yourself! ) | 16:00 |
| rakhmerov | hi | 16:00 |
| akuznetsova | hi there | 16:00 |
| xylan_kong | hi | 16:01 |
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| akuznetsova | I am Nastya | 16:01 |
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| LimorStotland | Hi all | 16:01 |
| akuznetsova | oops, you meant different | 16:01 |
| rakhmerov | akuznetsova: we know that! :) | 16:01 |
| rakhmerov | hi Limor | 16:01 |
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| rakhmerov | 1 min... | 16:02 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, I'm here | 16:03 |
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| rakhmerov | ^Gal^: hi, I approved https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245773/ but please fix a couple minor style issues with your next patches | 16:04 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:04 |
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| rakhmerov | there's no special agenda for today actually | 16:04 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Review Action items | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review Action items (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 16:04 | |
| rakhmerov | 1. rakhmerov: create Mitaka series and milestone in python-mistralclient LP | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov: create Mitaka series and milestone in python-mistralclient LP | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | :) | 16:05 |
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| rakhmerov | 2. melisha: Write docs about https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-async-actions-doc in M-1 | 16:05 |
| nmakhotkin_ | :) | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | this should not be evaluated now, we'll be tracking it in LP | 16:05 |
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| rakhmerov | 3. rakhmerov, melisha: design "Mistral HA" and "Multi-region sport" during M-1 | 16:05 |
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| rakhmerov | not done, I'll keep it for records | 16:06 |
| rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov, melisha: design "Mistral HA" and "Multi-region support" during M-1 | 16:06 |
| rakhmerov | 4. rakhmerov: ping melisha and look at the bugs together | 16:06 |
| rakhmerov | done | 16:06 |
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| rakhmerov | #topic Current status (progress, issues, roadblocks, further plans) | 16:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Current status (progress, issues, roadblocks, further plans) (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 16:06 | |
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| rakhmerov | let's share our statuses quickly | 16:06 |
| xylan_kong | one by one | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | specifically, I'm interested if you have any roadblocks preventing you fro moving forward | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | xylan_kong: go ahead | 16:07 |
| xylan_kong | 1. [ready for review] complete the implementation of 'mistral workflow sharing as a reference implementation of resource sharing feature', https://review.openstack.org/244155 | 16:07 |
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| xylan_kong | 2. [ready for review] complete integration of mistral client and openstack client, https://review.openstack.org/245034 | 16:07 |
| xylan_kong | 3. [merged] a good news! The mistral-spec repo has been merged in mistral namespace, please see https://github.com/openstack/mistral-specs | 16:07 |
| xylan_kong | 4. [in progress] add reno support in mistral, which I'm also trying to understand its mechanism | 16:07 |
| xylan_kong | 5. [always] review work | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | awesome! | 16:08 |
| akuznetsova | my status: review, made a couple of minor patches, thinking about what do next | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | xylan_kong: I'll review your patches tomorrow | 16:08 |
| xylan_kong | for mistral-specs, I'll make some initial changes and write a detailed introduction about the new process later on. | 16:08 |
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| rakhmerov | xylan_kong: let's talk about this new process today later | 16:08 |
| xylan_kong | rakhmerov: oik | 16:08 |
| LimorStotland | my status : working on internal alcatel issues and we need to start testing mistral this week | 16:08 |
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| _gryf | Today was a first meeting for openstack-ha. Here is the link for the minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha__automated_recovery_from_hypervisor_failure/2015/ha__automated_recovery_from_hypervisor_failure.2015-11-16-09.00.html | 16:09 |
| nmakhotkin_ | my status: fixed work mistralclient with unverified keystone cert (SSL/TLS), fixing async actions to send callback url for sending result back to Mistral | 16:09 |
| nmakhotkin_ | also a lot of review today | 16:09 |
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| _gryf | the reason I'm rising it on mistral miting is the fact, that people are very interested in proposed mistral solution for evac task | 16:09 |
| xylan_kong | _gryf: glad to hear that | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | my status: mostly doing reviews and bug review | 16:09 |
| akuznetsova | _gryf, very interesting... | 16:10 |
| xylan_kong | _gryf: i'll take a look to see how we can help for that | 16:10 |
| _gryf | cool! | 16:10 |
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| rakhmerov | _gryf: I know that, I talked to a bunch of people about that at the summit (5-6) | 16:10 |
| rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov: review http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha__automated_recovery_from_hypervisor_failure/2015/ha__automated_recovery_from_hypervisor_failure.2015-11-16-09.00.html | 16:11 |
| rakhmerov | ok, we'll see what they discussed | 16:11 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, thanks | 16:11 |
| rakhmerov | any serious roadblocks? | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | xylan_kong: can we already start using spec repo? | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | for our new big BPs | 16:12 |
| xylan_kong | rakhmerov: not for now, need to put a template file and some directories | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | ok, let us know when it's done | 16:13 |
| xylan_kong | but i think it will not be very late | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | sure | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Open Discussion | 16:13 |
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| rakhmerov | xylan_kong: can you briefly tell us about this reno thing? | 16:13 |
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| rakhmerov | and changes to maintaining stable branches | 16:13 |
| xylan_kong | rakhmerov: hehe, i 'm also trying to understand well about reno | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | these are 2 things I'm interested in (since you are a liason now) | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | what were you able to understand so far? :)) | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | not much? | 16:14 |
| xylan_kong | for now, i just copy something from the examples Doug have given | 16:14 |
| xylan_kong | to make sure we are far behind it | 16:14 |
| xylan_kong | not | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | any details? | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | ok, then let's talk about that offline once you get enough details | 16:15 |
| LimorStotland | sorry for the dumb question but what is reno? | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | I saw that there was a bunch of info on that but I didn't have a chance to get familiar with it | 16:16 |
| xylan_kong | in my undersdanding, reno will track the features or bugs made to mistral automatically | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | LimorStotland: yes, that's what I'm asking too | 16:16 |
| xylan_kong | but you need add patches for the feature and bug description | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:16 |
| dhellmann | xylan_kong : right, reno will organize the notes you add, but you have to write them yourself | 16:16 |
| xylan_kong | LimorStotland: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/078301.html | 16:16 |
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| xylan_kong | dhellmann: ooh, you're here | 16:17 |
| LimorStotland | Thanks xylan_kong | 16:17 |
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| rakhmerov | dhellmann: ok, we'll pick that up | 16:18 |
| xylan_kong | rakhmerov, nmakhotkin_ , you can ask dhellmann for your questions, i think nobody understand reno better than him | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | thanks | 16:18 |
| xylan_kong | dhellmann :-) | 16:18 |
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| nmakhotkin_ | sure, thanks | 16:18 |
| xylan_kong | and i will understand it by myself | 16:18 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, sure. I just don't want to ask dhellmann about that (knowing that he's extremely busy) until I read something (or ask you) that was sent out in ML | 16:19 |
| dhellmann | sure, if you have deep questions please post as a follow-up to that mailing list thread so everyone can benefit from the answers | 16:19 |
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| xylan_kong | rakhmerov: ok, no problem | 16:19 |
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| rakhmerov | dhellmann: we will | 16:19 |
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| dhellmann | rakhmerov : thanks! | 16:20 |
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| xylan_kong | rakhmerov: you can add an action for me | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | so team, I don't have much else to discuss today. We're deeply in M-1 now | 16:22 |
| xylan_kong | about reno | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | xylan_kong: you can add yourself :) | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | ok, let me do that | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | #action xylan_kong: learn about reno and share with the team | 16:22 |
| xylan_kong | #action xylan_kong: understand better about reno | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | :) | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | double action! | 16:22 |
| xylan_kong | :-) | 16:22 |
| xylan_kong | that's fine | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | ok, so, I thank all of you, I see a lot of patches on review. I'll try to do a better job on reviewing them | 16:23 |
| rakhmerov | and encourage everyone to do so | 16:23 |
| rakhmerov | lots of good bugfixes | 16:23 |
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| xylan_kong | yes, i have put more efforts on code works these days | 16:23 |
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| rakhmerov | Moshe's patch about CT is about to get merged, I'm really looking forward to see it done | 16:23 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:24 |
| akuznetsova | I have a question | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | yep | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | go ahead | 16:24 |
| LimorStotland | Moshe is working on functional tests | 16:24 |
| akuznetsova | I want to start work on doing our dsvm gates voting | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | LimorStotland: IMO it should be a separate patch | 16:25 |
| akuznetsova | before it I want to make some refactoring in mistral devstack scripts and functional tests | 16:25 |
| LimorStotland | Ok i will let him know | 16:25 |
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| rakhmerov | akuznetsova: we can't technically do it before we figure out how to solve a cycle problem | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | betwee mistral and client | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | akuznetsova: yep | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | sure | 16:26 |
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| akuznetsova | I don't like your suggestion | 16:26 |
| nmakhotkin_ | agree with rakhmerov | 16:26 |
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| nmakhotkin_ | how do we solve this cyclic dependency problem? | 16:26 |
| akuznetsova | I think that it will be better to make all perfect and only after it make it voting :-) | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | don't know yet | 16:27 |
| rakhmerov | akuznetsova: the problem is deeper than that :) | 16:27 |
| rakhmerov | such situations will pop up anyway | 16:27 |
| rakhmerov | when we have to break the gate | 16:27 |
| akuznetsova | I remember about cycle problem, I am going to think about it too | 16:27 |
| xylan_kong | rakhmerov, nmakhotkin_ what's the problem you mean? i am not sure i know that... | 16:28 |
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| rakhmerov | actually whenever we make incompatible API changes for example (e.g. if we're working on a new API and it's not ready yet) | 16:28 |
| akuznetsova | need to investigate how other project live with it | 16:28 |
| rakhmerov | akuznetsova: yes | 16:28 |
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| rakhmerov | xylan_kong: let me explain it tomorrow :))) | 16:28 |
| xylan_kong | rakhmerov: fine | 16:28 |
| rakhmerov | it's going to be a long conversation :)) | 16:28 |
| nmakhotkin_ | I guess other projects don't launch client tests in main repo | 16:28 |
| akuznetsova | xylan_kong, we run CLI tests on every commit to mistral | 16:28 |
| xylan_kong | rakhmerov :-) | 16:28 |
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| xylan_kong | akuznetsova: yes | 16:29 |
| xylan_kong | akuznetsova: are you sure you want to tell the story now? | 16:29 |
| xylan_kong | :-) | 16:29 |
| akuznetsova | xylan_kong, let me explain it later, I will send an email with our current situation and possible descision | 16:29 |
| xylan_kong | akuznetsova: appreciate that | 16:30 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, let's save some time and end the meeting now | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | is that ok? | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | a lot of things to do :) | 16:30 |
| xylan_kong | sure, nothing from my side | 16:31 |
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| rakhmerov | thanks! bye! | 16:31 |
| nmakhotkin_ | ok, sure | 16:31 |
| xylan_kong | keep coding and reviewing | 16:31 |
| akuznetsova | bye | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | alright! | 16:31 |
| nmakhotkin_ | bye! | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | #endmeeting | 16:31 |
| _gryf | bye | 16:31 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 16 16:31:20 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2015/mistral.2015-11-16-16.00.html | 16:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2015/mistral.2015-11-16-16.00.txt | 16:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2015/mistral.2015-11-16-16.00.log.html | 16:31 |
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| LimorStotland | × ×˜×§ | 16:31 |
| LimorStotland | bye | 16:31 |
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| matjazp | hi all | 17:02 |
| matjazp | anyone here for the meeting? | 17:02 |
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| ianychoi | hello. i am first but want to see training-guide meeting. | 17:03 |
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| matjazp | hi ianychoi | 17:03 |
| matjazp | sure, we can start with it | 17:03 |
| ianychoi | hello, matjazp :) | 17:03 |
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| matjazp | #startmeeting training-guides | 17:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 16 17:04:10 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is matjazp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:04 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: training-guides)" | 17:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_guides' | 17:04 |
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| matjazp | roll call | 17:04 |
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| matjazp | ianychoi you're here for the training guides meeting? | 17:05 |
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| ianychoi | Yes. I am interested in the meeting because I just attended last Tokyo upstream training , | 17:06 |
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| matjazp | oh, nice | 17:06 |
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| matjazp | seems like a small attendance this week | 17:07 |
| ianychoi | and I want to translate training guides to Korean. Now I want to know first how training-guide stackers are doing before my translation :) | 17:07 |
| ianychoi | I think so. | 17:07 |
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| ianychoi | Is there some topics for today meeting? | 17:07 |
| matjazp | ianychoi: let me just take care of some of the bookkeeping stuff | 17:07 |
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| ianychoi | Okay, I see! | 17:08 |
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| matjazp | #info two new core reviewers: Kato Tomoyuki and Tim Freund | 17:08 |
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| matjazp | #info We added a new policy for cores: current lead of Upstream training session (held before each Summit) is now part of the core team by function. | 17:09 |
| matjazp | nothing on the agenda | 17:09 |
| ianychoi | Aha.. I see. I met them on the last Tokyo upstream training. They helped and guided me a lot. | 17:09 |
| ianychoi | For training-guide translation, Kato proposed translation tools on training-guides. | 17:10 |
| matjazp | we can talk about what you need | 17:10 |
| ianychoi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/240739/ | 17:10 |
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| matjazp | ianychoi: yes, it is merged | 17:10 |
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| matjazp | what else do you need? | 17:10 |
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| ianychoi | But I could not follow the next steps... so I want to ask Kato on Thursday: i18n meeting. | 17:11 |
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| matjazp | unfortunately I have no experience with translation tooling | 17:11 |
| ianychoi | That's okay. To translate it, training-guide project needs to be listed on translate.openstack.org | 17:11 |
| matjazp | If you guys tell me what you need, I can help | 17:11 |
| ianychoi | #link https://translate.openstack.org/project/list | 17:12 |
| ianychoi | I think it is a little bit related to openstack-infra.. | 17:12 |
| matjazp | aha, ok, I'll look into it | 17:13 |
| ianychoi | Just I am sharing my thoughts :) | 17:13 |
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| matjazp | #action matjazp looks into adding training guides into translation.openstack.org | 17:13 |
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| ianychoi | Correction: -> translate.openstack.org | 17:13 |
| matjazp | #undo | 17:13 |
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| matjazp | #action matjazp looks into adding training guides into translate.openstack.org | 17:14 |
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| ianychoi | Thank you :) And can I ask one more thing? | 17:14 |
| matjazp | sure | 17:14 |
| ianychoi | Actually, during the last upstream training, I have found this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-training-guides/+bug/1490471 | 17:15 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1490471 in OpenStack Training Guides "[Upstream training] StackForge namespace status changes" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Ian Y. Choi (ianychoi) | 17:15 |
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| ianychoi | I have found that Stackforge is not used anymore.. so can I change some slides mentioned Stackforge? | 17:15 |
| ianychoi | Or it would also beneficial to mention Stackforge? | 17:15 |
| matjazp | yes, that is what the bug says | 17:16 |
| matjazp | so slides should change accordingly: no more Stackforge | 17:16 |
| matjazp | we have big tent now | 17:16 |
| matjazp | so you can just change slides and put them up to the review queue | 17:17 |
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| ianychoi | Aha, I see! I wanted to to that, but I have found that you added one description: 'updated'. | 17:17 |
| matjazp | I have updated a URL link a week ago | 17:17 |
| ianychoi | I have been figuring out this meaning.. | 17:17 |
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| ianychoi | Aha, URL link! Thanks. | 17:18 |
| matjazp | you can see what I updated if you click on the "original description" link | 17:18 |
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| matjazp | link was on draft | 17:18 |
| matjazp | we're publishing on the web page now | 17:18 |
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| ianychoi | Yes. That's exactly. I saw materials during upstream training. It was so nice! | 17:18 |
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| matjazp | We're working on training slides for openstack too | 17:19 |
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| matjazp | so ppl can reuse them at meetups and other meetings | 17:19 |
| ianychoi | Okay. Then, I will add more explanation on StackForge: no more Stackforge | 17:20 |
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| ianychoi | In my opinion, keeping StackForge is also good.. although it is retired.. | 17:20 |
| ianychoi | Yes. This is why I want to translate it into Korean. | 17:20 |
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| ianychoi | I would like to open Korean upstream training.. :) | 17:20 |
| ianychoi | I want to mainly use training-guide materials. | 17:20 |
| matjazp | nice | 17:21 |
| matjazp | are you interested in making some material for teaching openstack? | 17:21 |
| matjazp | you can contribute to that too | 17:21 |
| matjazp | and of course, I'll look into this translation registration issue | 17:22 |
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| ianychoi | Thanks. I will think about my contribution on training-guides, and I think Kato is dealing with it, but I have not asked to him recently. | 17:23 |
| matjazp | ok, anything you can do is much appreciated | 17:23 |
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| ianychoi | It is my great pleasure. Thanks..! | 17:24 |
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| matjazp | if you get stuck or need anything please don't hesitate to ask | 17:25 |
| matjazp | either me directly or on the Docs ML | 17:25 |
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| ianychoi | Okay, got it. | 17:26 |
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| matjazp | aha, I see: a patch for project-config is needed and we need to add translate into options | 17:28 |
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| ianychoi | Aha... | 17:29 |
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| matjazp | I'll submit a patch, I hope that's all. | 17:31 |
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| ianychoi | Thanks so much for dealing with it! | 17:32 |
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| matjazp | no problem, I'm just glad that you're prepared to translate this | 17:33 |
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| ianychoi | I was very impressed the last upstream training. | 17:34 |
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| ianychoi | Tomorrow, I am supposed to present my upstream training experiences to some Koreans for about 30 minutes. | 17:34 |
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| matjazp | you're doing a short version? | 17:38 |
| matjazp | for developers? | 17:38 |
| ianychoi | Tomorrow, just explaining what upstream training is, and how I chose and solved the bug thanks to mentors.. | 17:39 |
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| ianychoi | I would like to open Korean upstream training, but I think translation needs to be preceded first for better understanding.. | 17:40 |
| * matjazp here, the patch is in: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245909/ | 17:40 | |
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| ianychoi | And I am not sure whether I can allocate two entire days in Korea. If it is impossible, I will divide the entire session into several hours by regular week.. | 17:41 |
| ianychoi | This is just my current thoughts :) | 17:41 |
| matjazp | yes it can be a problem | 17:41 |
| matjazp | I usually just skip lego exercise :( | 17:41 |
| ianychoi | That's too bad.. :( | 17:42 |
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| matjazp | yes, it's a nice simulation | 17:42 |
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| matjazp | but if you have only a day or few hours, that's the only option | 17:42 |
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| ianychoi | That's so pity, but I agree with you. | 17:44 |
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| matjazp | ok, I hope that you can start wirking on the translations soon | 17:46 |
| matjazp | thanks for your time | 17:46 |
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| matjazp | should we stop the meeting? | 17:46 |
| ianychoi | Yes, you can. | 17:47 |
| matjazp | ok, thanks again. Bye! | 17:47 |
| ianychoi | Thank you so much for guiding today meeting :) | 17:47 |
| ianychoi | Bye~ | 17:47 |
| matjazp | not a problem :) | 17:47 |
| matjazp | I hope to see you again | 17:47 |
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| ianychoi | Yep. I will keep in mind for this meeting. | 17:47 |
| matjazp | #endmeeting | 17:47 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 16 17:47:50 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2015/training_guides.2015-11-16-17.04.html | 17:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2015/training_guides.2015-11-16-17.04.txt | 17:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2015/training_guides.2015-11-16-17.04.log.html | 17:47 |
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| adam_g | #startmeeting astara | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 16 18:01:30 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is adam_g. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'astara' | 18:01 |
| adam_g | o/ | 18:01 |
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| adam_g | last weeks notes @ http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/akanda/2015/akanda.2015-11-09-18.01.html | 18:02 |
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| adam_g | davidlenwell, markmcclain ryanpetrello elo anyona round | 18:04 |
| elo | here | 18:05 |
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| davidlenwell | elo.. this is on my calandar for an hour from now | 18:07 |
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| davidlenwell | (that was suppsed to be short for hello) | 18:07 |
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| elo | LOL. | 18:07 |
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| adam_g | i guess we'll start | 18:07 |
| elo | UTC timezone…that was my issue from last week | 18:08 |
| adam_g | UTC stops for noone | 18:08 |
| adam_g | #topic Outstanding project rename tasks | 18:08 |
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| adam_g | our devstack job is working again pending a change in neutron, which is still yet to merge | 18:09 |
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| adam_g | #action adam_g to see https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242775/ gets merged to reopen our gate | 18:09 |
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| adam_g | other than that, the devstack plugin and all associated config has been renamed at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242629/ | 18:10 |
| adam_g | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242629/ | 18:10 |
| davidlenwell | rad | 18:10 |
| adam_g | * markmcclain to start the process of renaming modules akanda->astara | 18:10 |
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| adam_g | i think markmcclain is at a conference ATM but i know this is something he's still working on | 18:10 |
| davidlenwell | so the reason that patch didn't merge is because it soft depends on that neutron patch ? | 18:10 |
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| adam_g | davidlenwell, yeah, and the neutron patch is taking a while to get reviewed | 18:11 |
| davidlenwell | I see | 18:11 |
| davidlenwell | okay | 18:11 |
| adam_g | * adam_g update horizon rug->orchestrator | 18:11 |
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| adam_g | i made some progress on this frday, will carry over till next week (shoudl be pushing something today) | 18:11 |
| adam_g | #action adam_g update horizon rug->orchestrator | 18:11 |
| adam_g | begin migrating docs, renaming references: akanda->astara, rug->orchestrator (davidlenwell | 18:11 |
| davidlenwell | I was holding back doc patches because I wasn't sure what was going on with that.. | 18:12 |
| adam_g | davidlenwell, i saw you migrated the old docs into the new repo | 18:12 |
| davidlenwell | I'll push them all up today | 18:12 |
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| adam_g | davidlenwell, as in, the edits to rename the actual references akanda->astara ? | 18:12 |
| davidlenwell | yes | 18:12 |
| adam_g | ok | 18:12 |
| adam_g | ill carry it over | 18:12 |
| davidlenwell | k | 18:12 |
| adam_g | #action begin migrating docs, renaming references: akanda->astara, rug->orchestrator (davidlenwell | 18:12 |
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| adam_g | those are the pending actions that require patches. other than that, #openstack-astara is now open and has bots there | 18:13 |
| adam_g | i'll be shutting down the #akanda channel today. that is, making it readonly and hopefully pointing people to the new #openstack-astara | 18:13 |
| adam_g | #action adam_g shuts down #akanda for good | 18:13 |
| adam_g | #topic Mitaka Development | 18:14 |
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| davidlenwell | adam_g: you don't want to just leave it empty and chage the topic to point at the astara chanel? | 18:14 |
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| adam_g | davidlenwell, yes, that. except making it readonly so people have no choice but to move to new channel if they actually want to chat | 18:14 |
| davidlenwell | ahh.. okay | 18:14 |
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| adam_g | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/astara/ | 18:15 |
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| adam_g | so ive went ahead and filed skeleton blueprints for all the work items we discussed in tokyo | 18:15 |
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| adam_g | we should probably start getting these assigned to people, at least for things that are currently in progress | 18:15 |
| davidlenwell | oh cool | 18:16 |
| markmcclain | awesome | 18:16 |
| adam_g | for the non-major things (ie, appliance API v2 API, Neutron flavors), i think we can skip the specs process | 18:16 |
| adam_g | ive been working on beefing up functional testing last week, so i'll go ahead and grab the ci-updates-mitaka | 18:17 |
| davidlenwell | I'd think a major api version up should have a spec | 18:17 |
| adam_g | davidlenwell, doh, yeah, thats what i meant | 18:17 |
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| davidlenwell | ahh.. I see . that was your list of major things | 18:17 |
| adam_g | ... for things that are not major (ie, appliance API V2 API)... | 18:17 |
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| adam_g | davidlenwell, would you want to take the docs blueprint? if you're going to be adding devstack support for the new features, documenting it while you go would probably make sense | 18:18 |
| adam_g | ? | 18:18 |
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| davidlenwell | yep | 18:18 |
| davidlenwell | yeah .. that was my plan.. | 18:19 |
| davidlenwell | already started on it.. | 18:19 |
| adam_g | cool | 18:19 |
| davidlenwell | I guess I can't assign my self.. | 18:19 |
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| adam_g | hmm | 18:20 |
| adam_g | i might need to setup an astara drivers team instead of having everythign owned by me | 18:20 |
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| davidlenwell | good thinking | 18:20 |
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| adam_g | ... done | 18:21 |
| adam_g | anyway | 18:21 |
| adam_g | markmcclain, i take it youre still stuck detangling all of our messy imports as part of the rename effort? ill hold off on your BPs till thats done | 18:22 |
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| markmcclain | yeah... the circular imports are fun | 18:22 |
| adam_g | k | 18:22 |
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| adam_g | so, as soon as that neutron patch lands we should be good to start flushing through all pending stuff. ill ping reviewers when thats done, hopefully today | 18:23 |
| adam_g | moving on.. | 18:23 |
| adam_g | #topic open discussion | 18:23 |
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| adam_g | i had one thing to bring up here, looking at horizon last week | 18:23 |
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| adam_g | we currently configure horizon /w the prefix of the management network, and that is what the dashboard uses to determine where to contact the astara API | 18:24 |
| davidlenwell | I was thinking that we could do better in the dashboard | 18:24 |
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| adam_g | https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/astara-horizon/tree/akanda_horizon/rug_openstack_dashboard/api/rug.py#n23 | 18:25 |
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| adam_g | this assumes 1) horizon has access to the management network 2) its going to be communicating to it via IPv6 3) the API is always going to be listening on the first address from that network | 18:25 |
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| adam_g | would it make more sense to instead code the canonical address of the API server in config? or even put it into keystone? | 18:26 |
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| adam_g | i hit this when trying to hack on horizon locally and point it at a remote astara instance | 18:26 |
| davidlenwell | use keystone | 18:26 |
| egon | +1 | 18:26 |
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| adam_g | yea, that makes the most sense | 18:27 |
| adam_g | markmcclain, any objections? | 18:28 |
| markmcclain | yeah.. makes sense to horizon be able to discover the location of the server | 18:28 |
| davidlenwell | will make it easier to update the setting globally if a node goes down in a multi-rug env | 18:28 |
| adam_g | there'd be some associated work needed in astara-orchestrator, ATM it brings up the API server on the management network and doesnt let ops specify its listening address | 18:29 |
| adam_g | ill file a bug about this | 18:29 |
| adam_g | anyone have anything else to discuss? | 18:29 |
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| markmcclain | adam_g: I think the admin API is service is something that we need to talk a longer look at | 18:29 |
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| markmcclain | the original solution was a quick and dirty hack and bakes in many assumptions | 18:30 |
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| adam_g | markmcclain, yes, if we're advertising its endpoint in keystone we should probably start using keystone token auth on it as well | 18:30 |
| davidlenwell | adam_g: +1 | 18:30 |
| adam_g | i think this could all fall within https://blueprints.launchpad.net/astara/+spec/astara-horizon-mitaka | 18:31 |
| adam_g | markmcclain, did you have other ideas for improvements on the API? | 18:31 |
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| adam_g | as in, expanding it to be more than just an avenue for outsiders to dip into RPC via rug-ctl | 18:32 |
| markmcclain | adam_g: yeah I think this is a start | 18:32 |
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| markmcclain | we could also consider if we want to make to just make this an extension loaded into neutron | 18:32 |
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| markmcclain | if we did that we'd get a lot of things for free | 18:33 |
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| davidlenwell | I think that makes a lot of sense | 18:33 |
| elo | +1 | 18:33 |
| adam_g | markmcclain, not a bad idea | 18:33 |
| adam_g | IIRC the API currently uses cliff to basically run the CLI. we'd need to break that up and have it issue its own messages on the notifications bus | 18:34 |
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| adam_g | but its doable fo sure | 18:34 |
| markmcclain | right | 18:34 |
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| adam_g | okay unless anyone has anything else, i suppose we can call it | 18:35 |
| davidlenwell | nothing from me | 18:35 |
| markmcclain | nothing else from me | 18:36 |
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| adam_g | cool. cheers | 18:36 |
| adam_g | #endmeeting | 18:36 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Nov 16 18:36:46 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:36 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/astara/2015/astara.2015-11-16-18.01.html | 18:36 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/astara/2015/astara.2015-11-16-18.01.txt | 18:36 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/astara/2015/astara.2015-11-16-18.01.log.html | 18:36 |
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| j^2 | hi! | 19:00 |
| amitry | hello! | 19:00 |
| SubbuA | Hi all | 19:00 |
| simon-AS5591 | Hello | 19:00 |
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| ShillaSaebi | hello | 19:00 |
| jproulx | Hi all | 19:00 |
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| j^2 | who's the chair? we should track it | 19:01 |
| j^2 | the meeting that is | 19:01 |
| maishsk | someone going to startmeeting? | 19:01 |
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| j^2 | #startmeeting user-committee | 19:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Nov 16 19:02:18 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is j^2. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'user_committee' | 19:02 |
| j^2 | #chair ShillaSaebi | 19:02 |
| openstack | Current chairs: ShillaSaebi j^2 | 19:02 |
| j^2 | anyone else want chair? | 19:02 |
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| sgordon | nahhh | 19:02 |
| ShillaSaebi | maybe SubbuA and jproulx | 19:02 |
| SubbuA | That sounds good. Thanks for starting. | 19:03 |
| j^2 | agenda link? I don't have it infront of me | 19:03 |
| amitry | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/UserCommittee | 19:03 |
| ShillaSaebi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/UserCommittee | 19:03 |
| SubbuA | Please go for it ShillaSaebi | 19:03 |
| j^2 | #chair SubbuA | 19:03 |
| openstack | Current chairs: ShillaSaebi SubbuA j^2 | 19:03 |
| barrett | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/UserCommittee | 19:03 |
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| ShillaSaebi | ok so there is an agenda posted on the wiki | 19:04 |
| ShillaSaebi | lets go ahead and get started | 19:04 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Administrivia | 19:04 |
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| SubbuA | This is the first ever UC meeting :) Thanks for ShillaSaebi for joining the UC. Welcome. | 19:04 |
| ShillaSaebi | thanks :) | 19:04 |
| barrett | +1 | 19:04 |
| amitry | +1 | 19:04 |
| SubbuA | Te agenda is at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/UserCommittee | 19:04 |
| simon-AS5591 | +1 | 19:04 |
| noggin143 | +1 | 19:04 |
| maishsk | WElcome | 19:04 |
| jproulx | I'd like to propose we add discussion on Ops Midcycle meetup to agenda (time permitting) | 19:05 |
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| j^2 | #agreed jproulx | 19:05 |
| ShillaSaebi | yeah same here | 19:05 |
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| SubbuA | #agreed jproulx | 19:05 |
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| maishsk | #agreed | 19:05 |
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| amitry | #agreed jproulx | 19:05 |
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| SubbuA | Next item on the agenda is purpose, timing and advertising (?) of this meeting | 19:06 |
| ShillaSaebi | does this timing work for everyone? | 19:06 |
| barrett | It does for me | 19:06 |
| med_ | probably for anyone here. | 19:06 |
| sgordon | LOL | 19:07 |
| rolandchan | Only just. | 19:07 |
| maishsk | good for me | 19:07 |
| simon-AS5591 | +1 (but beware selection bias) | 19:07 |
| amitry | +1 | 19:07 |
| noggin143 | ok from europe too | 19:07 |
| jproulx | +1 (+bias) | 19:07 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok thats great | 19:07 |
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| rolandchan | when summer time comes to an end in a few months, it'll be a 5am kickoff. | 19:08 |
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| j^2 | rolandchan: coffee is a good friend ;) | 19:08 |
| jbryce | tfifield might be one notable exception to the current attendees | 19:08 |
| jbryce | on the selection bias front | 19:08 |
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| SubbuA | ok. We can revisit. Can we discuss the purpose? | 19:09 |
| j^2 | "A larger cross section of the different usecases for OpenStack" | 19:09 |
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| j^2 | SubbuA: ^^ | 19:09 |
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| lsell | I think overall, we want the User Committee to be a stronger, more visible body that will make a strategic impact on the community - influencing development, helping operators be successful, and better serving the needs of end users | 19:09 |
| med_ | Use Cases? Or actual usage? | 19:09 |
| j^2 | med_: good point, actual usage | 19:10 |
| med_ | +` | 19:10 |
| med_ | +1 | 19:10 |
| maishsk | lsell - influencing development? | 19:10 |
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| lsell | yes, helping to get user feedback into the development process, or even contributing directly | 19:10 |
| jproulx | The initial reason for UC was to bring user concerns back to developers | 19:11 |
| barrett | I'd add: Foster the collaboration of the UC Working Groups to achieve that end. | 19:11 |
| lsell | +1 | 19:11 |
| jproulx | +1 | 19:11 |
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| jproulx | that's how I believe we are (attempting to) implementing that goal | 19:11 |
| SubbuA | Agree with lsell. I would add that the goal is to improve the continuation of a closed loop in the OpenStack ecosystem. | 19:13 |
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| barrett | I like the "closed loop" element | 19:13 |
| j^2 | The people on this committee should be represented of the people who actually run and consume openstack, our goal is to voice concerns and viable strategic changes that the consumers need or want. that's why we need to make it bigger than just 3 people | 19:14 |
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| maishsk | j^2: agreed | 19:14 |
| j^2 | :D | 19:14 |
| SubbuA | Agree j^2 | 19:14 |
| j^2 | the tl;dr: it's the USER committee | 19:14 |
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| SubbuA | That can be next topic on the agenda, if we choose to spend on that instead of user survey results. | 19:15 |
| ShillaSaebi | +1 | 19:15 |
| jproulx | Shall we discuss expansion then. | 19:15 |
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| lsell | so as far as the meeting purpose / goals / timing... does monthly seem like the right frequency? | 19:16 |
| jproulx | + monthly | 19:16 |
| rolandchan | it seems a little infrequent to me, but I'm new here. | 19:16 |
| jproulx | +1 that is | 19:16 |
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| j^2 | lsell: i think so until we need more. this should be check in and anything tatical should be used via the ML | 19:16 |
| barrett | lsell: depends upon how we define our deliverables, I think | 19:16 |
| ShillaSaebi | @rolandchan I think the same thing but I am also new so I'm not quite sure | 19:16 |
| maishsk | +1 monthly | 19:16 |
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| simon-AS5591 | +1 monthly | 19:17 |
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| barrett | rolandchan: +1 | 19:17 |
| rolandchan | I suppose we can see what happens. if we need more, we can increase tempo easily enough. | 19:17 |
| jproulx | exactly scheduling is changable | 19:17 |
| j^2 | and the ML isn't used at all | 19:17 |
| SubbuA | sounds good. Let's stick to monthly for now. | 19:17 |
| lsell | i also expect a lot of the work and more detailed discussions will get pushed into the user groups, where a lot of work is already happening :) | 19:17 |
| j^2 | i can't stress that enough | 19:17 |
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| sgordon | right | 19:18 |
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| jproulx | so last piece of that lien item is advertising | 19:18 |
| sgordon | many of the working groups are weekly... | 19:18 |
| rolandchan | wait what? | 19:18 |
| rolandchan | sorry, misread | 19:19 |
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| barrett | does user group = working group? | 19:20 |
| lsell | yes, sorry, i meant working group | 19:20 |
| lsell | like product group, large deployments, etc. | 19:20 |
| noggin143 | user group for me is geographical, working group is topical | 19:20 |
| j^2 | noggin143: that's a great way to describe it | 19:21 |
| SubbuA | Cool. Are we good on the frequency? Can we move to the next topic? | 19:21 |
| sgordon | noggin143, +1 | 19:21 |
| j^2 | SubbuA: i think so yes | 19:21 |
| ShillaSaebi | yep | 19:21 |
| amitry | +1 | 19:22 |
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| jproulx | I thnk working groups meeting weekly (at their own decision) and User Committee coordiantion monthly seems to make sense to me, but if it 's no trequesnt enough we can be more frequent but let's start here at monthly for UC | 19:22 |
| SubbuA | #topic uc-expansion | 19:22 |
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| jproulx | We all agree (I think) that we need more people and bandwidth | 19:22 |
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| jproulx | question as I see it si shoudl we formally expand with ellected members or informally expand with volunters | 19:23 |
| j^2 | totally, there needs to be more visiablity of this committee, as i said in tokyo, i didn't know existed till Tom mentioned it to me | 19:23 |
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| noggin143 | +1 for volunteers... helps build a list of people who can contribute | 19:23 |
| SubbuA | Can't agree more. There is quite a bit of valuable work is happening in various working groups, and IMO, it is important to make that visible under the UC umbrella. | 19:24 |
| amitry | +1 volunteers | 19:24 |
| jproulx | +1 | 19:24 |
| j^2 | what's the shortest path to success? There's nothing that we have to set in stone right? | 19:24 |
| lsell | notes from the user committee "meta" session in tokyo if helpful: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/TYO-ops-user-commitee-meta-session | 19:24 |
| j^2 | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/TYO-ops-user-commitee-meta-session | 19:24 |
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| SubbuA | thanks lsell - was just going to open that | 19:25 |
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| ShillaSaebi | ok so we talked about possibly expanding the UC and adding more members | 19:25 |
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| ShillaSaebi | oops sorry I didnt read above | 19:25 |
| ShillaSaebi | do we want to specify how many volunteers we want to start with? | 19:26 |
| jproulx | as many as will volunteer :) | 19:26 |
| ShillaSaebi | that sounds great to me | 19:26 |
| j^2 | ShillaSaebi: i think we just open it as a "Looking for Group" type thing see who joins, then who sticks around, then they are our group | 19:26 |
| kencjohnston | one point for discussion, if we open it up to volunteers you are going to get folks like me, who are corporately-aligned, representing but not explicitly acting as "users" as some of your volunteer base. Is that a concern? | 19:27 |
| j^2 | churn is the killer, always the killer | 19:27 |
| rolandchan | kencjohnston: not if you're a user. | 19:27 |
| kencjohnston | I'd love to volunteer but I'd want to make sure I'm a good/appropriate fit. | 19:27 |
| jproulx | So I think this actually comes back to advertising our existence | 19:27 |
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| kencjohnston | OK, so I guess that is a call for being clear on who we want as volunteers | 19:28 |
| j^2 | should we take our first major action item is create a doc that explains what type of user we are looking for? | 19:28 |
| jproulx | The only place we need to be very careful about who volunteers is with User Survey Working group, but I think that's it's own topic | 19:28 |
| kencjohnston | I'm a core member of the PWG btw | 19:28 |
| kencjohnston | j^2 +1 | 19:29 |
| SubbuA | jproulx: certainly. In addition would like to get clarity on the process. | 19:29 |
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| jproulx | +1 | 19:29 |
| SubbuA | We discussed the process at the summit, but I don't think we had a conclusive answer. | 19:30 |
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| noggin143 | The user survey group should be VERY distinct. NDA requirements for getting good coverage. | 19:30 |
| maishsk | So number of members - shoud be an odd (not even) number | 19:30 |
| jproulx | +10^23 | 19:30 |
| j^2 | yeah that is the "elected" group to the user commitee | 19:30 |
| noggin143 | My understanding of the bylaws is that there is no problem expanding the UC, but need to create a user survey WG with NDA. | 19:30 |
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| maishsk | A number of questions regarding elections thoug - if we want to go down that route ? | 19:31 |
| j^2 | noggin143: yep, that sounds fimilar from the meta meeting | 19:31 |
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| j^2 | maishsk: i think we should think about that when we need to, right now we're just trying to reengage | 19:31 |
| jbryce | noggin143: that’s correct. there are some constraints on the election piece though | 19:31 |
| noggin143 | Typical example for me would be Matt Van W who would count as a vendor (Rackspace) but major contributor to ops (e.g. Large Deployments). He should be able to start for the UC but not the survey group. | 19:32 |
| jproulx | I thought we'd decided on volunteers rather than election to avoid that complication, but if we do expand by election then there are lots of issues | 19:32 |
| egon | an election would tend to be a sub-set of volunteers | 19:33 |
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| egon | the volunteer pool would hopefully be more inclusive than an election would end up with. | 19:33 |
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| noggin143 | Elections take a serious effort... let's find the volunteers first which also helps to build a manifesto. | 19:33 |
| j^2 | noggin143: totally | 19:33 |
| jproulx | We have an agenda item for "formation of the User Survey Working Group" are we on that now? I feel we've wandered a bit from expantion but onto next topic on agenda... | 19:33 |
| SubbuA | jproulx: yes, that's the topic (uc-expansion) | 19:34 |
| maishsk | noggin143: agree | 19:34 |
| SubbuA | anyone feels that there needs to be elected body? | 19:34 |
| j^2 | SubbuA: not for the time being | 19:34 |
| rolandchan | nup | 19:34 |
| maishsk | SubbuA: not yet - but could be necessary down the road | 19:35 |
| barrett | nope, think volunteers is the way to go | 19:35 |
| maishsk | depending on what ‘klout’ and influence the UC has / comes up with | 19:35 |
| SubbuA | so, volunteers it is | 19:35 |
| jproulx | +1 maishsk | 19:35 |
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| SubbuA | Any thoughts on the process we would use for adding volunteers? | 19:35 |
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| noggin143 | +1 SubbuA for volunteers | 19:36 |
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| j^2 | SubbuA: start out with the normal communication channels, or hell open an etherpad and ask people to put their email address on it, and start conversations there | 19:36 |
| j^2 | then eventually get everyone on the user-committee ML and start the conversations we need to have there | 19:37 |
| jproulx | I think for general committee organizational work whoever shows up to these meeting or the mail list is good | 19:37 |
| j^2 | but the uc-ml requires admin approval, so we don't want to initally have everyone join it, it'll be a flood of work for Tom | 19:37 |
| jproulx | we'd discussed not moderating joins to uc-ml | 19:37 |
| SubbuA | I suggest (a) an email broadcast, followed by (b) a section on https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/UserCommittee with the | 19:38 |
| maishsk | jproulx: I agree related to the participants on the meetings | 19:38 |
| sgordon | so umm dumb question | 19:38 |
| SubbuA | list of participants | 19:38 |
| ShillaSaebi | I like the idea of adding the volunteers to the wiki page instead of a separate etherpad | 19:38 |
| ShillaSaebi | sign up section on the wiki | 19:38 |
| j^2 | i hope yall see the underlying issue that i'm trying to solve here, there isnt communication between the teams and this committee has the oppertunity to be the cantolist to be that communication so i'm extremely excited to be apart of this | 19:38 |
| sgordon | a lot of the WGs already either have their own list or use ops list | 19:38 |
| sgordon | and im wondering if more UC comms on the ops list | 19:38 |
| sgordon | might solve the visibility issue... | 19:38 |
| j^2 | ShillaSaebi: you don't want it on the wiki, the edits are blasted and tracked, it'll be a lot of noise | 19:39 |
| sgordon | excluding of course those comms that are privileged (survey related) | 19:39 |
| jproulx | I don't see value of a list of volunteers. what about when they leave? I think mailing list is enough (though not strongly opposed ot other list) | 19:39 |
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| rolandchan | +1 | 19:39 |
| j^2 | jproulx: agreed, but the mailing list requires admin approval | 19:39 |
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| j^2 | that's a barrier to entry | 19:40 |
| jproulx | I think we shgould change mailing list so it doesn't require approval to subscribe | 19:40 |
| lsell | admin approval is pretty easy, or we could just remove it | 19:40 |
| jproulx | +1 remove it | 19:40 |
| maishsk | j^2: why does it require admin approval? | 19:40 |
| j^2 | maishsk: no clue, but it does when i signed up for it | 19:40 |
| sgordon | maishsk, historical probably | 19:40 |
| j^2 | lsell: yes, please lets just remove it then we can ask people to join the ML as a sign of them voluenteering to help | 19:41 |
| maishsk | I don’t see any reason for keeping it then | 19:41 |
| lsell | to sgordon's earlier point, i do think the ops list is where we have critical mass | 19:41 |
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| SubbuA | so, the consensus is to let folks join the list to volunteer as a virtual expansion of the UC | 19:41 |
| lsell | the only issue is that we also want to think about end users, so the intended audience is a bit broader | 19:41 |
| noggin143 | historically we were worried that the list would be overloaded ... I think this is not such as concern today :-) +1 for auto subscription | 19:41 |
| j^2 | SubbuA: that seems accurate yes | 19:41 |
| jproulx | +1 SubbuA | 19:42 |
| j^2 | lsell: i think we should look at endusers after we get our feet under ourselves | 19:42 |
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| SubbuA | We've 18 minutes more. Shall we move to the next topic? | 19:42 |
| jproulx | lsell: re ops list we shoudl promote a bit there as Operators are currently the biggest set of users we suppost, but I think we envision representing Users beyond that scope as well | 19:43 |
| maishsk | So who takes the action to remove the authorization for the mailing list? | 19:43 |
| lsell | j^2: there is already work with the app ecosystem group to start thinking about end users, and i just don't want to send a message that the user committee only serves ops by using the ops mailing list as the point of collaboration. that was my only point... | 19:43 |
| lsell | i'll take that | 19:43 |
| jproulx | thx lsell | 19:43 |
| med_ | did you talk about Ops Meetup in Manchester yet? | 19:43 |
| j^2 | lsell: ah yeah, makes sense. yeah it's one of those things that could be a landmine if not worded correctly | 19:43 |
| * med_ sees the old subject line still | 19:43 | |
| maishsk | #action lsell - remove the authorization requirement for the UC mailing list | 19:43 |
| SubbuA | med_: that can be the next topic. Do we want to discuss here or continue on ML? | 19:44 |
| j^2 | SubbuA: ML | 19:44 |
| SubbuA | +1 for ML | 19:44 |
| maishsk | +1 for ML as well | 19:45 |
| med_ | wfm | 19:45 |
| noggin143 | I'm fine with the ML but let's be open to significant meetups outside the US. Constraint being Product WG and PTL attendence which is beneficial. | 19:45 |
| simon-AS5591 | noggin143 +1 | 19:46 |
| jproulx | 15 min to go | 19:46 |
| maishsk | Or perhaps allow for virtual participation | 19:46 |
| SubbuA | noggin143 +1 | 19:47 |
| amitry | +1 | 19:47 |
| sgordon | you can still get good dev engagement at least in other locales | 19:47 |
| rolandchan | maishk: Any more virtual and we won't actually do anything :( | 19:47 |
| sgordon | e.g. cores if not PTLs | 19:47 |
| noggin143 | or non-PTL but significant member of the team | 19:47 |
| noggin143 | sgordon _1 | 19:47 |
| maishsk | rolandchan: :) | 19:47 |
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| SubbuA | I suggest we let that discussion continue on the ML. Any other topic for the remaining 12 minutes? | 19:48 |
| jproulx | Do we ahve any Working group reports for last 12 min? | 19:48 |
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| rolandchan | Um... survey results analysis? | 19:49 |
| jproulx | Ah yes | 19:49 |
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| rolandchan | Is anyone currently assigned to do analysis? | 19:49 |
| maishsk | rolandchan: what kind of analysis? | 19:49 |
| rolandchan | any kind would be a good start. | 19:50 |
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| maishsk | above and on top of what was published in the report? | 19:50 |
| rolandchan | yup | 19:50 |
| SubbuA | rolandchan: I don't believe there is any such track for additional analysis. lsell ? | 19:51 |
| SubbuA | rolandchan: can you be more specific? | 19:51 |
| jproulx | what questions would you like to see answered that weren't | 19:51 |
| rolandchan | Fundamentally: why? | 19:51 |
| maishsk | And for that to happen someone would actually have to have access to the raw data - which I think is not very many at the current ime | 19:52 |
| rolandchan | why do the results look they way they do | 19:52 |
| maishsk | time* | 19:52 |
| noggin143 | is this the NPS scores ? | 19:52 |
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| SubbuA | rolandchan: still not parsing. Can you elaborate? | 19:52 |
| rolandchan | yes. what is behind that variance? What do we need to look at next survey? | 19:52 |
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| jproulx | What do we need to look at next survey? is a function of User Survey Working Group | 19:53 |
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| rolandchan | what is that working group? I couldn't find it. | 19:54 |
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| lsell | i think pages 10-13 in the report attempt to dig deeper into the comments and "why" factor https://www.openstack.org/assets/survey/Public-User-Survey-Report.pdf | 19:54 |
| rolandchan | Tom's note on the agenda implies it would require formation. ie: it doesn't exist. | 19:54 |
| SubbuA | rolandchan: till now, that working group is the UC itself. | 19:54 |
| lsell | but there's certainly room for additional analysis | 19:54 |
| noggin143 | The worry is that there was a swing in NPS ratings.... statistical or trend ? Survey WG will only look once per 6 months | 19:54 |
| SubbuA | With the expansion to volunteers, we will need to form a smaller group and have them sign NDAs | 19:54 |
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| rolandchan | noggin143: yes, but I'd rather not wait another 2 data points before doing analysis. | 19:55 |
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| noggin143 | Propose initial WG those who have signed NDA or are foundation members ? | 19:55 |
| j^2 | 5 mins | 19:56 |
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| SubbuA | noggin143: +1 | 19:56 |
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| rolandchan | noggin143: +! | 19:56 |
| rolandchan | noggin143: +1 | 19:56 |
| amitry | +1 | 19:56 |
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| noggin143 | Clarify ... Propose initial WG from those who have signed NDA or are foundation staff members ? | 19:57 |
| egon | you guys just +1ed an or statement | 19:57 |
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| maishsk | :) | 19:57 |
| lsell | the user experience working group also expressed interest in further comment analysis - the ops question, the what do you like / want improved, and the individual feedback provided to PTLs | 19:57 |
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| lsell | perhaps we pull them into the survey working group, have them sign the confidentiality agreement and assist with additional comment analysis | 19:57 |
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| maishsk | Can I make a suggestion - since there are open issues - which we have note addressed - either we continue this on the mailing list or… | 19:58 |
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| rolandchan | can we at least resolve to do some analysis, and then work out the details on the ML? | 19:58 |
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| lsell | nps not ops | 19:58 |
| maishsk | set up another meeting for two weeks from now. | 19:58 |
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| j^2 | maishsk: i think we should do both | 19:58 |
| maishsk | j^2: I concur | 19:58 |
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| j^2 | there's a lot of information flying back and forth, and it's hard to see the threads | 19:59 |
| jproulx | <1min remianing s +1 to ML | 19:59 |
| med_ | Opinion on the ML is consolidating around ONE ops midcycle meetup in Manchester to keep focus. | 19:59 |
| barrett | +1 | 19:59 |
| SubbuA | I suggest we continue the discussion, and have the proposal made on the ML for a new meeting in two weeks. | 19:59 |
| j^2 | SubbuA: agreed | 19:59 |
| SubbuA | I mean continue the discussion on ML | 19:59 |
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| simon-AS5591 | +1 | 19:59 |
| jproulx | ops mailing list for Midcycle discussion uc list for survey? | 19:59 |
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| SubbuA | jproulx: +1 | 20:00 |
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| simon-AS5591 | jproulx +1 | 20:00 |
| ShillaSaebi | +1 | 20:00 |
| j^2 | any objections to closing the meeting? | 20:00 |
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| ShillaSaebi | not from me | 20:01 |
| j^2 | thanks everyone! | 20:01 |
| barrett | bye | 20:01 |
| SubbuA | let's close. | 20:01 |
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| SubbuA | thanks | 20:01 |
| simon-AS5591 | bye | 20:01 |
| j^2 | #endmeeting | 20:01 |
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| lsell | thanks everyone! | 20:01 |
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