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| ShillaSaebi | #startmeeting docteam | 14:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 18 14:05:40 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ShillaSaebi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:05 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 14:05 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 14:05 |
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| ShillaSaebi | hi everyone :) | 14:06 |
| berendt | hi | 14:06 |
| robcresswell | o/ | 14:06 |
| bogdando | hi | 14:06 |
| lbragstad | o/ | 14:06 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 14:06 |
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| ShillaSaebi | boss was to look into documenting openstack-doc-tools and the index page reorg | 14:07 |
| katomo | hi | 14:07 |
| ShillaSaebi | bmoss sorry | 14:07 |
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| ShillaSaebi | and suyog was to look into the index page summaries | 14:07 |
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| ShillaSaebi | do we have any updates on those items? bmoss and suyog are you around? | 14:08 |
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| ShillaSaebi | hmmm ok we will probably get an update on those items in the APAC meeting since that's when the action item was formed | 14:08 |
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| katomo | yeah | 14:08 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Specs in review | 14:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs in review (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 14:09 | |
| ShillaSaebi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/docs-specs,n,z | 14:09 |
| ShillaSaebi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/240879/ (Upgrades) | 14:09 |
| ShillaSaebi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/238770/ (User Guide reorg) | 14:09 |
| ShillaSaebi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/227660/ (Ops Guide reorg) | 14:09 |
| ShillaSaebi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/224420/ (DocImpact) | 14:09 |
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| berendt | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246660/ (app developer docs) | 14:10 |
| ShillaSaebi | the upgrades one was merged | 14:10 |
| ShillaSaebi | thanks berendt | 14:10 |
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| ShillaSaebi | any questions or comments on specs? | 14:11 |
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| katomo | o/ | 14:12 |
| katomo | "Upgrades" impact "Ops Guide reorg" | 14:12 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Specialty Teams | 14:12 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Specialty Teams (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 14:12 | |
| ShillaSaebi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/SpecialityTeams | 14:12 |
| ShillaSaebi | #info HA Guide - New speciality team formed under Bogdan Dobrelya. | 14:13 |
| ShillaSaebi | #info Install Guides - RDO published. Debian still on hold. New speciality team formed under Christian Berendt - berendt | 14:13 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #info Networking Guide - New speciality team formed under Edgar Magana for Mitaka. | 14:14 |
| ShillaSaebi | #info Security Guide - no update. | 14:14 |
| ShillaSaebi | #info User Guides - Please review spec | 14:14 |
| ShillaSaebi | #info Ops/Arch Guides - Please review specs | 14:14 |
| ShillaSaebi | #info API docs - Fairy Slipper conversion underway: http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/docs-specs/specs/liberty/api-site.html | 14:14 |
| ShillaSaebi | #info Config Ref - Waiting on RST conversion spec. | 14:14 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #info OpenStack Training Labs - Contact Pranav Salunke #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/openstack-labs | 14:14 |
| ShillaSaebi | #info OpenStack Training Guides - Contact Matjaz Pancur #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Training-guides | 14:14 |
| ShillaSaebi | #info Hyperviser Tuning Guide - Contact Joe Topjian | 14:14 |
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| bogdando | please note there is a poll to shift HA guide IRC meeting time http://doodle.com/poll/by7axmzznrcv59zf | 14:15 |
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| bogdando | so far only 3 persons participated including me | 14:15 |
| ShillaSaebi | i saw something go out to the ML | 14:15 |
| gpocentek | ConfigRef conversion has already started (spec approved) | 14:15 |
| bogdando | yes, it is http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2015-November/007865.html | 14:16 |
| ShillaSaebi | bogdando maybe try sending an email to the folks who helped with the RST migrations for the HA guide and see if there will be some more participation? | 14:16 |
| bogdando | will do, thanks | 14:16 |
| berendt | bogdando: and send a reminder to the mailing list | 14:16 |
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| ShillaSaebi | anything else on the specialty teams? | 14:17 |
| berendt | not for install at the moment | 14:17 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok | 14:18 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Countdown to Mitaka | 14:18 |
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| ShillaSaebi | 140 days! | 14:18 |
| ShillaSaebi | #link http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/launch?iso=20160407T00&p0=1440&msg=OpenStack+Mitaka+Launch+Date&font=cursive | 14:18 |
| ShillaSaebi | We are looking for volunteers to help document the openstack-doc-tools | 14:18 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #info We also need volunteers to help reorganize the index page and write one-sentence summaries. The API docs have already been moved off. | 14:19 |
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| ShillaSaebi | so that was the action item we had from bmoss last week | 14:20 |
| ShillaSaebi | and suyog for the index items | 14:20 |
| ShillaSaebi | so it's best for us to wait for the update before finding new volunteers :) | 14:20 |
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| berendt | I can help with openstack-doc-tools | 14:21 |
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| berendt | I already chatted with Andreas to clarify if we can re-use the existing doc/source directory for the documentation. this will work. | 14:21 |
| ShillaSaebi | #action berendt to help with documenting openstack-doc-tools | 14:21 |
| ShillaSaebi | oh cool thanks! | 14:22 |
| ShillaSaebi | fyi you were volunteered at the last meeting heh | 14:22 |
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| katomo | great | 14:22 |
| berendt | ha :) | 14:22 |
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| annegentle | berendt: :) | 14:24 |
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| ShillaSaebi | alright any questions on that? | 14:25 |
| ShillaSaebi | comments? | 14:25 |
| ShillaSaebi | concerns? | 14:25 |
| ShillaSaebi | alright moving along | 14:25 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #topic Spotlight bugs | 14:25 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #info Our new rewards scheme for closing out old bugs will be announced soon | 14:26 |
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| berendt | the one with the missing google analytics | 14:26 |
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| berendt | at the moment I am not sure with solution is the correct one, the one proposed by russel differs from the one lauren send to u | 14:26 |
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| berendt | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246376/ (openstackdocstheme google analytics) | 14:27 |
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| berendt | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246181/ (openstack-manuals google analytics) | 14:27 |
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| ShillaSaebi | I didn't get a chance to look at these yet | 14:28 |
| ShillaSaebi | I saw annegentles email about it | 14:28 |
| ShillaSaebi | I will take a look today | 14:29 |
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| ShillaSaebi | and the idea behind the closing bugs reward program will be that if you close X amount of bugs you get a free X (swag of some sort) | 14:29 |
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| ShillaSaebi | something fun to motivate us to close more bugs | 14:30 |
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| dguitarbite | ShillaSaebi: That sounds awesome! | 14:30 |
| ShillaSaebi | yeah I love the idea dguitarbite | 14:30 |
| berendt | sounds good to me :) a lot of swag.. ;) | 14:30 |
| ShillaSaebi | as of last week, loquacities was still brewing up the plan and working on it | 14:30 |
| robcresswell | That's awesome... who pays for the free X? | 14:30 |
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| ShillaSaebi | feel free to send suggestions her way, new car maybe? | 14:31 |
| dguitarbite | Foundation :P | 14:31 |
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| robcresswell | nice | 14:31 |
| katomo | :) | 14:31 |
| ShillaSaebi | OpenStack foundation yet | 14:31 |
| ShillaSaebi | yes* | 14:31 |
| ShillaSaebi | any questions on the rewards prog? | 14:32 |
| ShillaSaebi | oh it could be stuff from this store I believe: http://store.openstack.org/promotional-items.html | 14:32 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok moving along | 14:33 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Open discussion | 14:33 |
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| ShillaSaebi | anyone have anything they would like to bring up or discuss? | 14:33 |
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| berendt | there is no car in the store :( | 14:33 |
| ShillaSaebi | hahaha | 14:34 |
| ShillaSaebi | :( | 14:34 |
| dguitarbite | I would like to give some status update on training labs | 14:34 |
| ShillaSaebi | sure dguitarbite we'd love to hear it | 14:34 |
| katomo | orz | 14:34 |
| dguitarbite | Kilo port is almost complete, review should be merged in the next day or so https://review.openstack.org/#/c/237061/ | 14:34 |
| dguitarbite | Some other minor fixes/features are added. | 14:35 |
| ShillaSaebi | nice | 14:35 |
| ShillaSaebi | I can take a look at this today | 14:35 |
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| dguitarbite | We aim to finish Liberty soonish. | 14:35 |
| berendt | dguitarbite: can you take care of the "how to use the training labs with the install guide" thread ? | 14:35 |
| katomo | nice | 14:36 |
| dguitarbite | berendt: ok, Ill followup in there. | 14:36 |
| annegentle | ShillaSaebi: I have an App dev guide spec ready for review here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246660/ | 14:36 |
| berendt | dguitarbite: thanks | 14:36 |
| annegentle | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246660/ | 14:36 |
| dguitarbite | #action dguitarbite: Add training labs how to to install-guides thread | 14:36 |
| ShillaSaebi | cool thank you annegentle | 14:36 |
| ShillaSaebi | great, ill set aside some time to look at these today too | 14:37 |
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| ShillaSaebi | anyone have anything else to bring up? | 14:38 |
| lbragstad | o/ | 14:38 |
| lbragstad | Hi all, I'll be the doc liaison for keystone this cycle (as determined by our fearless ptl!). I just wanted to drop by and let you all know that if you need anything keystone-wise, please don't hesitate to reach out. | 14:38 |
| ShillaSaebi | hi lbragstad | 14:38 |
| ShillaSaebi | thank you for letting us know | 14:38 |
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| ShillaSaebi | we appreciate it :) | 14:39 |
| lbragstad | ShillaSaebi no problem, looking forward to it :) | 14:39 |
| ShillaSaebi | alright! we have about 20 min left on the clock | 14:39 |
| ShillaSaebi | if nobody has anything to bring up, I will go ahead and call it | 14:39 |
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| katomo | i have | 14:39 |
| katomo | http://docs.openstack.org/contributor-guide/rst-conv/inline-markups.html | 14:39 |
| katomo | :program:`RabbitMQ` | 14:39 |
| katomo | :command:`nova boot` | 14:40 |
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| katomo | do we need this conventions? simply use `` `` ? | 14:40 |
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| ShillaSaebi | thats the syntax right | 14:41 |
| ShillaSaebi | the actual output shouldn't have that | 14:41 |
| ShillaSaebi | for filename and path we have the doubles | 14:42 |
| katomo | yeah | 14:42 |
| berendt | katomo: use it like described in the conventions and ignore those comments written by me in the review request :) | 14:42 |
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| katomo | berendt: we use `` `` for filename and path | 14:43 |
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| katomo | for consistency and simplicity, i would like to use `` ``. | 14:44 |
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| ShillaSaebi | ok | 14:44 |
| katomo | i dont know the reason program and command is special. | 14:44 |
| berendt | katomo: this has to be discuess on the mailing list, can you propose it there? | 14:44 |
| ShillaSaebi | do you want to start something on the ML | 14:44 |
| katomo | sure | 14:44 |
| ShillaSaebi | jinx! | 14:44 |
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| ShillaSaebi | yeah I think it's better if we start the conversation there | 14:45 |
| ShillaSaebi | get some input...and then move fwd from that point | 14:45 |
| berendt | katomo: I commented in the review request that use of :program: and :command: is fine at the moment, but I +1 to only use `` | 14:45 |
| katomo | berendt: thanks | 14:45 |
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| ShillaSaebi | alright, great | 14:46 |
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| ShillaSaebi | anything else anyone wants to bring up? | 14:46 |
| katomo | none | 14:46 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok well, I will go ahead and call it then. Thank you all for joining and see you soon! | 14:47 |
| ShillaSaebi | #endmeeting | 14:47 |
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| dguitarbite | Thanks,bye | 14:47 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 18 14:47:06 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:47 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-11-18-14.05.html | 14:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-11-18-14.05.txt | 14:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2015/docteam.2015-11-18-14.05.log.html | 14:47 |
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| katomo | thanks all | 14:47 |
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| Zara | anyone about for the storyboard meeting? We'll start in a couple of minutes. | 14:58 |
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| pedroalvarez | I'll be around :) | 14:59 |
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| Zara | \o/ | 14:59 |
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| betherly | I'm here :) | 14:59 |
| Zara | double \o/ | 14:59 |
| Zara | #startmeeting storyboard | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 18 15:00:04 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Zara. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 15:00 |
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| Zara | #Announcements | 15:00 |
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| Zara | SotK is still on holiday. He should be back from Tuesday. | 15:01 |
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| Zara | # Urgent Items | 15:01 |
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| Zara | Nothing on the agenda | 15:01 |
| Zara | will move on! | 15:01 |
| Zara | # In Progress Work | 15:02 |
| Zara | #info worklists and boards-- SotK has been working on these, patches are in review currently | 15:02 |
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| * Zara finds link... | 15:02 | |
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| Zara | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/owner:%22Adam+Coldrick%22+status:open,n,z | 15:03 |
| Zara | probably the best quick list | 15:03 |
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| Zara | #info email notifications-- SotK again, these are waiting for him to update a couple of patches | 15:04 |
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| Zara | I don't think there's much we can do with those until after Tuesday, though always good to have a look if there's time | 15:04 |
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| Zara | So onto me... | 15:05 |
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| Zara | I've started looking at creating a roadmap for storyboard, since the things that are currently up on the wiki came about when things were pretty different. | 15:06 |
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| Zara | the main thing I've found is that a spec would be very helpful. | 15:06 |
| betherly | ++ - yes that would be great to have | 15:07 |
| Zara | there are a million and one things to do; I have a rough guide of what to prioritise in the short term but I'd like more direction | 15:07 |
| betherly | and a clear path forward re areas of focus for this cycle | 15:07 |
| persia | ++ | 15:07 |
| Zara | yes. | 15:08 |
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| betherly | i would suggest focusing down on really small areas to work on and very specific ones and tasks we can check off | 15:08 |
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| betherly | the broader the focuses the more room for expansion out of control | 15:08 |
| Zara | I agree with that, the more uncertainty, the less gets done | 15:09 |
| betherly | and suddenly they're not focuses any more | 15:09 |
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| Zara | right now the very rough roadmap goes: 1) email notifications when a subscribed resource updates, 2) worklists and boards, 3: Fix search (there is an ongoing story for this), 4. Tags -- so these get steadily more vague as the map moves on | 15:10 |
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| Zara | they should be ordered in terms of priority, but in practice they're as much ordered in terms of 'what we have a clear spec for' | 15:11 |
| Zara | so I think we should move on to getting a spec... | 15:12 |
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| Zara | # Discussion topics-- spec for task tracker | 15:12 |
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| Zara | so, we want a spec-- how do we get one? I've asked around in infra a bit but I don't know that anyone is currently working on this. | 15:13 |
| Zara | I'm wondering if we should try to sketch something out | 15:13 |
| persia | The general model is to write one and propose it to infra-specs | 15:13 |
| Zara | okay, I've seen some for individual parts of a task tracker, but never the tracker as a whole | 15:14 |
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| persia | The right way to do that is to have the task tracker manage it :) Some folk seem to use etherpads for now, linking to specs. | 15:15 |
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| Zara | I can look in storyboard.openstack.org for people's requirements (and have been), but the use of etherpads means that those requirements aren't always listed... | 15:16 |
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| betherly | can we take the basic requirements we have so far, write a spec based on that and then open it to the community for suggestions for a time | 15:17 |
| betherly | ? | 15:17 |
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| betherly | ultimately everyone is going to want a million different things though and so we need to develop an mvp and develop it more as interest increases again and we have a clearer picture of more specific requirements | 15:18 |
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| Zara | just to clarify, when you say basic requirements, are you referring to the stuff in my roadmap of sorts, or something else? | 15:19 |
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| Zara | I agree on the approach | 15:20 |
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| Zara | I'm less clear that anyone outside of storyboard can agree on what the basic requirements are, hehe. :) That said, we could come up with our own list and then change things later if we need to. | 15:22 |
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| betherly | Zara: yep sorry for not specifying | 15:23 |
| persia | Maybe just updates to the StoryBoard wiki is the place to do things: avoids the evenescence of etherpads. | 15:23 |
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| betherly | I think that is really my suggestion tbh, create our list and then open it to suggestions on that | 15:23 |
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| betherly | trying to compile a never ending list of what everyone in the community might potentially want at this point would be impossible | 15:24 |
| Zara | betherly: Okay, makes sense to me and I think this will ensure it happens! :) | 15:24 |
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| Zara | I'd like to make that an action | 15:25 |
| betherly | Zara: exactly. if we dont make hard decisions at this point and just compile data there will be so much of it nothing will ever happen lol | 15:26 |
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| Zara | betherly: yeah, I've been trying that for long enough at this point, would like to try a different approach. :) | 15:27 |
| betherly | :) | 15:27 |
| Zara | #action Zara come up with minimal requirements for a task tracker | 15:27 |
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| Zara | I named me there, but that's really me and you and SotK and anyone who's interested enough to seek us out and actively help with the development | 15:28 |
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| Zara | we should work out a time that suits, but we can probably do that in #storyboard | 15:28 |
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| Zara | if that seems fair, I think that's the end of that discussion, okay to move onto open discussion? | 15:29 |
| Zara | seems so | 15:30 |
| Zara | # Open Discussion | 15:30 |
| Zara | anyone have any points to raise? | 15:30 |
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| pedroalvarez | I failed so far on my attempt of testing openstackid with storyboard | 15:30 |
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| Zara | that's concerning. | 15:31 |
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| pedroalvarez | I've been pointed to smarcet in -infra. seems he will be able to help | 15:31 |
| Zara | ah, great | 15:31 |
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| Zara | I think I use my ubuntu one ID at the moment; I'm not sure if that's the same thing | 15:32 |
| Zara | I should really know more about this :/ | 15:32 |
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| pedroalvarez | is difficult to know about everything :) | 15:32 |
| * Zara adds it to the enormous list of things | 15:32 | |
| Zara | heh | 15:32 |
| Zara | I'm glad there's someone who can help with it, anyway; I think that's something that would be on the list of minimum requirements | 15:33 |
| Zara | so it ties in | 15:33 |
| persia | These shouldn't be framed as "minimum": we did those a couple years ago, and reached MVP a couple times. | 15:34 |
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| persia | Rather, there should be a (relatively narrow) set of priority features. | 15:34 |
| betherly | persia: ++ | 15:34 |
| persia | And the process should be revisited when those are done. | 15:34 |
| betherly | totally agree | 15:35 |
| Zara | heh, fine by me. | 15:35 |
| betherly | do a couple of small things really flipping well | 15:35 |
| betherly | then move on | 15:35 |
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| Zara | makes sense to me | 15:38 |
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| Zara | anything else? | 15:39 |
| Zara | my action should be revised | 15:40 |
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| Zara | #action Zara to come up with narrow set of priority features for a task tracker | 15:40 |
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| betherly | im all good on things i think | 15:42 |
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| Zara | okay, in that case let's free this up for the next team! | 15:42 |
| Zara | Thanks, everyone, was nice to have a lot of productive discussion today :) | 15:42 |
| Zara | #endmeeting | 15:42 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 18 15:42:59 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2015/storyboard.2015-11-18-15.00.html | 15:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2015/storyboard.2015-11-18-15.00.txt | 15:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2015/storyboard.2015-11-18-15.00.log.html | 15:43 |
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| e0ne | :) | 15:59 |
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| smcginnis | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 18 16:00:01 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| dulek | Hi! | 16:00 |
| eharney | hi | 16:00 |
| tbarron | hi | 16:00 |
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| geguileo | Hi | 16:00 |
| scottda | hey | 16:00 |
| diablo_rojo | Hello :) | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | Hey everyone. | 16:00 |
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| kmartin | hi | 16:00 |
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| yusuke | hi | 16:00 |
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| smcginnis | #topic Big Status | 16:01 |
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| smcginnis | #info 482 Cinder bugs | 16:01 |
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| smcginnis | #info 54 python-cinderclient bugs | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | #info 13 os-brick bugs | 16:01 |
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| thangp | o/ | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | Just a summary of bug counts to make sure there is awareness. | 16:02 |
| xyang1 | hi | 16:02 |
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| smcginnis | Any kind of bug scrub or other attention would definitely be appreciated. | 16:02 |
| rajinir | Any link that shows the list? | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | scottda also points out there are 12 nova bugs tagged as volume. | 16:02 |
| Swanson | hi | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.status:list=NEW&field.tag=volumes | 16:03 |
| scottda | Those are just the "new" ones that need triage | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | scottda: :/ | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | rajinir: Nothing else really except here: | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bugs | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | Launchpad is the greatest interface for searching through, but they're all there. | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | scottda: Do you know of any particularly interesting ones? | 16:04 |
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| smcginnis | s/is the greatest/isn't the greatest/ | 16:04 |
| scottda | There's 1 with NetApp in the title :) | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | :) | 16:05 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | I think in general I want to at least spend some time adding tags to the bug reports to make it easy to pull out by vendor or particular feature. | 16:05 |
| scottda | Most Nova volume bugs look familiar...things get out of sync during attach/detach :( | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | scottda: OK, at least it's consistent. | 16:06 |
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| smcginnis | There's also the spec etherpad from last week: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-cinder-spec-review-tracking | 16:06 |
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| hemna | mornin | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | That to be honest I haven't had the time to do a thing with. | 16:06 |
| tbarron | scottda: we've got an E-Series driver person looing at that one | 16:06 |
| tbarron | looking | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | But the format is used by nova with some success, so I think it's worth spending more time on it. | 16:07 |
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| smcginnis | I also haven't had a chance to get some good reports up like nova has. | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | Mostly because I just haven't been able to sit down and hack away at it. | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | But hopefully some helpful tools coming soon. | 16:07 |
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| smcginnis | OK, just want to keep awareness here. | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | Let's move on to business. | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | OSLO incubator going away (DuncanT) | 16:08 |
| e0ne | great news! | 16:08 |
| DuncanT | Hi | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | #topic OSLO incubator going away | 16:08 |
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| DuncanT | We still use a few bits from osl incubator, most noticably the scheduler and image utils | 16:08 |
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| DuncanT | Image utils is trivial, but I wonder if it is worth doing a last sync on the scheduler | 16:09 |
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| DuncanT | Tehy both need moving into a standard cinder namespace, and the unit tests pulling in from incubator | 16:09 |
| e0ne | DuncanT: can we move imagutils to oslo.utils? | 16:09 |
| DuncanT | e0ne: Maybe, yeah. There's some argument over how it should work though, and it isn't complex, so it might be easier to have our own copy | 16:10 |
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| e0ne | DuncanT: sounds reasonable | 16:10 |
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| smcginnis | At least I start I suppose. | 16:11 |
| DuncanT | I've nothing else to say on the subject, it was just a heads up... if I get time I'll put up patches, but volunteers welcome | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: Thanks! | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | #topic Adding extra data to event notifications for searchlight to consume | 16:12 |
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| smcginnis | DuncanT: Still all yours. :) | 16:12 |
| DuncanT | Me again | 16:12 |
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| DuncanT | So searchlight shoves openstack metadata into an elastic search engine, with just enough extra metadata that it can do RBAC with it | 16:13 |
| DuncanT | I wrote a cinder plugin for it, modelled off the nova one | 16:13 |
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| DuncanT | Trouble is, like nova, it needs to hit the API after nearly every event to get extra info | 16:13 |
| hemna | :( | 16:13 |
| DuncanT | This sucks, and makes the API and DB work twice as hard | 16:13 |
| e0ne | +1 | 16:14 |
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| smcginnis | What additional data does it need? | 16:14 |
| DuncanT | I propose stuffing more details into the events to avoid this | 16:14 |
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| DuncanT | Usually RBAC related fields, sometimes status | 16:14 |
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| e0ne | can we add cinder objects to events? | 16:14 |
| DuncanT | I suggest we just JSON encode the DB record we have in our hand at the time, and attach that to the event | 16:15 |
| DuncanT | Events are just JSON | 16:15 |
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| smcginnis | That does seem like it would make the event more useful to consumers. | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | I'd be concerned about passing too much extra, especially for non-searchlight consumers. | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | But I think the overhead would be fairly low at this point.? | 16:16 |
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| DuncanT | In all cases I can find, it is less than a k of data unless people go mad with metadata | 16:16 |
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| DuncanT | Doesn't sound like anybody hates it so far, I'll post patches | 16:17 |
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| smcginnis | Any concern with large and active system deployments? | 16:18 |
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| smcginnis | Yeah, might be worth proposing some patches and see if we get any other feedback there. | 16:18 |
| dulek | e0ne: Cinder objects are JSON serializable by definition, we can attach them. | 16:18 |
| DuncanT | I can run it on ~hundred nodes test system, see how that goes re extra load | 16:19 |
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| hemna | dulek, that is a lot of extra data floating around though. | 16:19 |
| hemna | is it really worth this ? | 16:19 |
| e0ne | dulek: sure, it's what I'm proposing | 16:19 |
| DuncanT | I'll come up with the fields that are actually interesting, but I suspect ti ends up being most of them | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT, hemna: That extra stream of data is my only concern. | 16:20 |
| dulek | hemna: It is, but I basing on my undestanding how searchlight works it needs that. Or just diffs? | 16:20 |
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| hemna | dulek, any urls on searchlight ? | 16:20 |
| dulek | And if someone want to run searchlight - notifications are still better than SL hitting APIs all the time for indexing. ;) | 16:20 |
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| hemna | smcginnis, maybe this is CONF enabled but disabled by default ? | 16:20 |
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| DuncanT | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jYXsK4j26s http://docs.openstack.org/developer/searchlight/ | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | Defintely better when you're using searchclight. But what about when not? | 16:21 |
| hemna | otherwise we are stuffing lots more data around for no use. | 16:21 |
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| dulek | hemna: I don't have nothing more than Google shows me. | 16:21 |
| dulek | BTW - TravT_away ^ | 16:21 |
| hemna | who is asking for this ? | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | hemna: Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Just a flag to flip. | 16:21 |
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| DuncanT | hemna: Searchlight? Several interested parties, and several past attempts to add e.g. regex filtering to cinder | 16:22 |
| xyang | hemna: http://stackalytics.com/?metric=commits&module=searchlight-group&release=liberty | 16:22 |
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| DuncanT | I'll have to write the searchlight plugin to do the API queries if the events don't contain enough info, since in needs to work against existing systems ideally, so a conf option is fine by me, but I think the overhead should be negligable | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | Well, there's certainly one company fully behind this. :) | 16:23 |
| hemna | heh | 16:23 |
| dulek | smcginnis: :D | 16:23 |
| xyang | :) | 16:23 |
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| hemna | so make it disabled by default and enable it in cinder.conf | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: I think it would help if you are able to get some metrics. Then we know what we're dealing with. | 16:24 |
| hemna | until we get more performance metrics out of the impact of adding it. | 16:24 |
| DuncanT | hemna: Another conf option is a burden though.... I'll benchmark the difference | 16:24 |
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| hemna | if it's negligible, then enable it by default. | 16:24 |
| hemna | a burden? meh | 16:24 |
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| smcginnis | Once we have the data it will be easier to say if we should just have on by default. | 16:25 |
| DuncanT | hemna: We have loads that aren't tested or documented already | 16:25 |
| hemna | that's not an argument for not creating another one. :) | 16:25 |
| smcginnis | I think have a switch to turn it off for those that aren't using and want to optimize things a bit might not be bad. | 16:25 |
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| smcginnis | Or is that optimise? :) | 16:25 |
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| DuncanT | I'll benchmark it, we have some performance guys who're good at that sort of thing | 16:26 |
| hemna | if we are talking about the entire volume object and all of it's entries, that's quite a bit of data per event. | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | #action DuncanT to get some data for overhead with sending object data in notifications. | 16:26 |
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| hemna | that's not negligible IMHO. | 16:26 |
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| smcginnis | Well, let's see how things look once we have real data. | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: all for this? | 16:28 |
| DuncanT | hemna: It's going via rabbit, so message size isn't actually a bit overhead according to previous benchmark | 16:28 |
| DuncanT | smcginnis: Yup | 16:28 |
| hemna | coolio. | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | OK, thanks. | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | #topic Looping on failed driver init. | 16:28 |
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| smcginnis | It's the DuncanT show today. :) | 16:28 |
| DuncanT | Ok, this is hopefully an easy one. If you power your array and cinder node on at the smae time, and the array comes up second, c-vol is useless until you restart it. This sucks | 16:29 |
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| DuncanT | (at least for drivers that check the array in init, which many do) | 16:29 |
| dulek | DuncanT: +1 | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | I agree. | 16:29 |
| e0ne | DuncanT: +1 | 16:29 |
| kmartin | DuncanT, we had customers asking for this | 16:30 |
| DuncanT | Ok, I'll post patches. Thanks | 16:30 |
| e0ne | kmartin: not only you :) | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | I think that's a pretty clear answer then. :) | 16:30 |
| kmartin | DuncanT, +1 | 16:30 |
| rajinir | c-vol shows up succesful in the services-list even if the driver failed | 16:30 |
| DuncanT | (Were 'I' quite possibly means 'one of my colleagues') | 16:30 |
| dulek | rajinir: That's not true. | 16:30 |
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| dulek | rajinir: At least in Liberty. | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | Delegation - DuncanT must be a manager now. :) | 16:31 |
| hemna | DuncanT, so are you proposing a retry N times thing ? | 16:31 |
| DuncanT | dulek: It was true until very late in liberty | 16:31 |
| rajinir | dule: that's great, if some work was done to fix that | 16:31 |
| DuncanT | hemna: Just retry every half minute or something for ever - there's nothing else the process can usefully be doing at that point | 16:31 |
| hemna | so in the case of our driver, we puke if we can't hit the array, but we also puke if there are conf settings that don't verify on the array, so retry won't help. | 16:31 |
| eharney | i put a comment in the bug, but i'm concerned about doing this for __init__ if that's what you mean | 16:31 |
| hemna | that basically means the log will show exceptions every half minute :) | 16:31 |
| hemna | continually failing | 16:32 |
| e0ne | hemna, DuncanT: we can make retrive interval configurable | 16:32 |
| DuncanT | hemna: So my idea doesn't make it any worse, just doesn't fix all cases. I'm ok with that | 16:32 |
| rajinir | Another config option:) | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | Or maybe have a scaling backoff. | 16:32 |
| tbarron | DuncanT: multiple backends? maybe configurable bound on the number of retries. | 16:32 |
| DuncanT | hemna: Currently you get a log full of failing periodic tasks | 16:32 |
| hemna | it should only retry if the driver pukes because it can't talk to the array | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: I agree. We still spam the logs on failures as it is. | 16:32 |
| flip211 | that's a problem that I can understand .... +1 ;) | 16:32 |
| hemna | if it pukes because of misconfiguration then it shouldn't retry | 16:32 |
| hemna | as it will fail forever | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | hemna: So maybe new exception that everyone should implement. | 16:33 |
| DuncanT | tbarron: Multi-backend is in different processes by this point | 16:33 |
| hemna | smcginnis, +1 | 16:33 |
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| tbarron | DuncanT: oh right | 16:33 |
| smcginnis | RetryableCinderException or some such thing. | 16:33 |
| hemna | yup | 16:33 |
| smcginnis | That makes sense. | 16:33 |
| DuncanT | hemna:smcginnis : Ok, I'll look at adding a new exception to say 'stop, this can't be retried | 16:33 |
| hemna | DuncanT, +1 | 16:33 |
| hemna | thanks! | 16:33 |
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| geguileo | DuncanT: +1 | 16:33 |
| eharney | DuncanT: what about __init__ failures due to missing requirements, syntax errors, etc? | 16:33 |
| smcginnis | ComeBackLaterCinderException | 16:33 |
| dulek | smcginnis: +1 ;) | 16:34 |
| hemna | eharney, I think that new exception would cover those | 16:34 |
| DuncanT | eharney: Retries are still fairly harmless IMO | 16:34 |
| eharney | hemna: it wouldn't | 16:34 |
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| hemna | well, not syntax errors | 16:34 |
| hemna | but missing conf entries ? it should | 16:34 |
| eharney | i don't think we want to retry if you have broken python, personally | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | eharney: You don't think so? | 16:34 |
| eharney | that's just a mess in the logs | 16:35 |
| hemna | driver recognizes it doesn't have the needed conf entry and raises the DontRetryException | 16:35 |
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| kmartin | HavingABeerWillCheckLaterCinderExcpetion | 16:35 |
| hemna | syntax errors in python shouldn't make it into the code :) | 16:35 |
| DuncanT | eharney: Right now the logs are a mess - you get 'driver not initialised' messages and have to scroll back up to find the real problem | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, I think it could be explicit by the driver. I'm all good but I can't complete init. | 16:35 |
| hemna | if those aren't being covered by py27 and py34 we have bigger problems | 16:36 |
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| rajinir | Is there a way to propagate the error to the services-list | 16:36 |
| eharney | hemna: eh... there's a lot more to it than that | 16:36 |
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| DuncanT | rajinir: Not in the first patch | 16:37 |
| eharney | upstream unit tests don't help with people deploying out of tree drivers, broken packages, etc | 16:37 |
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| DuncanT | eharney: I'll keep it in mind. The logs are already really unhelpful in that case though | 16:38 |
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| hemna | the service itself would puke out | 16:38 |
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| hemna | I'm not sure what you are trying to solve w/ that one. | 16:38 |
| smcginnis | eharney: So if the driver has to raise an exception saying everrything else is good but it can't talk to the array right now, wouldn't that cover it? | 16:38 |
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| smcginnis | eharney: Otherwise it blows up in a different way. | 16:39 |
| hemna | smcginnis, I think he's trying to cover the case where someone installs an out of tree driver that's horribly broken (syntax errors). | 16:39 |
| eharney | smcginnis: yes | 16:39 |
| smcginnis | But then it wouldn't raise a ComeBackLaterException. | 16:39 |
| smcginnis | It would be a ThisCodeIsCrapException. | 16:40 |
| eharney | all i'm saying is, no point in retrying indefinitely for "your system is broken" kinds of errors | 16:40 |
| smcginnis | And then things just fail. | 16:40 |
| eharney | i'm not too concerned with the other details | 16:40 |
| smcginnis | eharney: Yeah, definitely. | 16:40 |
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| hemna | eharney, I thought that's what I had raised earlier though? and why we created the dontretryexeption ? | 16:41 |
| hemna | I'm confused. | 16:41 |
| eharney | but that assumes you can raise a dontretryexception | 16:41 |
| eharney | then you don't cover other assorted error exceptions that can be raised outside of your intent | 16:41 |
| hemna | ok this is going in circles. I give up. | 16:41 |
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| smcginnis | Oh, I think instead of a dontretyexception it needs to be DoRetryException. | 16:42 |
| Swanson | Is this only for init? | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | So the driver can let the upper layer know it's a condition that may resolve itself. | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | Swanson: Yeah. | 16:42 |
| eharney | smcginnis: that was the thought | 16:42 |
| dulek | We can have that discussion on review probably… | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | I agree. | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | We don't need to design this here. | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | Good enough for now I think. Let the details come out in the code and reviews. | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | dulek: Keeping us on track. :) | 16:43 |
| Swanson | Do I know the difference between a bad config and an array being down? | 16:43 |
| * dulek is doing 2 meetings at once, so time's valuable. ;) | 16:43 | |
| smcginnis | Swanson: You would know the difference between a missing config and not being able to contact the array. | 16:44 |
| DuncanT | Swanson: If the config is worng password, probably not, but retrying is fairly cheap in that case | 16:44 |
| smcginnis | Like DuncanT was pointing out, not any worse than how it is now. | 16:44 |
| dulek | smcginnis: +1 | 16:44 |
| smcginnis | OK, let's move on. Especially since dulek is next. :) | 16:44 |
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| smcginnis | #topic reno for release notes | 16:44 |
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| dulek | hi! | 16:44 |
| smcginnis | dulek: Thanks for bringing this up by the way. | 16:44 |
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| dulek | And this is also just a heads up. | 16:44 |
| dulek | We started to use reno for relase notes management. | 16:45 |
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| dulek | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-November/078301.html | 16:45 |
| dulek | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/keystone/developing.html#release-notes | 16:45 |
| dulek | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246455/ | 16:45 |
| dulek | These are the resources that explain this stuff. | 16:45 |
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| dulek | As you see Keystone already merged some guidelines on what requires a relase note | 16:46 |
| dulek | We probably should do the same. | 16:46 |
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| smcginnis | Thanks, I hadnt seen the keystone notes. That would be good for us to have somewhere in our devref. | 16:47 |
| DuncanT | dulek: +1 | 16:47 |
| smcginnis | Probably on our wiki too. | 16:47 |
| dulek | I can come up with proposition (getting last link into account - so cross-project guidelines) to get reviewed. | 16:47 |
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| * DuncanT would like it if the git commit messages were good enough, but they probably aren't :-( | 16:47 | |
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| smcginnis | Having to pull together the release notes for liberty, I can definitely ay they are not good enough. | 16:48 |
| smcginnis | s/ay/say/ | 16:48 |
| e0ne | DuncanT: feel free to -1 on such commit messages :) | 16:48 |
| dulek | Ah, and BTW - there's two last patches waiting for merging. | 16:48 |
| dulek | One is unreleased notes page backported to Liberty | 16:48 |
| dulek | And the second one - a job for release notes. | 16:48 |
| smcginnis | dulek: Shoot, I thought we had gotten those through. Will look it up. | 16:48 |
| dulek | CI job I mean. | 16:48 |
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| dulek | smcginnis: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245431/ | 16:49 |
| dulek | That's the one. | 16:49 |
| dulek | I believe project-config changes are out from our scope, but +1 from smcginnis would be helpful. | 16:49 |
| smcginnis | dulek: Thanks! | 16:49 |
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| dulek | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/244764/ | 16:49 |
| dulek | That's CI job. | 16:49 |
| dulek | So summing up - we all have another thing to -1 reviews for. :D | 16:50 |
| smcginnis | :/ | 16:50 |
| smcginnis | I hope this pays off. | 16:50 |
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| dulek | I hope too, I'm not totally convinced, but let's see. | 16:51 |
| smcginnis | It does look promising. I think we will just need to adjust so it's just normal. | 16:51 |
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| smcginnis | dulek: Well, again, thanks for bringing it up. | 16:51 |
| dulek | So if anyone will have a question on release notes stuff - I'm here to help. :) | 16:51 |
| smcginnis | dulek: Anything else. | 16:51 |
| dulek | That's all I've wanted to say. :) | 16:51 |
| smcginnis | Thank you. | 16:52 |
| smcginnis | #topic Open Discussion | 16:52 |
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| smcginnis | The floor is open. (for 8 minutes) | 16:52 |
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| dulek | Just a note - we're moving in right direction with upgrades stuff! | 16:52 |
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| dulek | There's a spec for making DB schema migrations in live manner: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245976/ | 16:53 |
| dulek | If someone interested. | 16:53 |
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| hemna | dulek, nice | 16:53 |
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| dulek | Thanks everyone for reviewing and especially thangp for driving this that well. | 16:53 |
| smcginnis | +1 | 16:53 |
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| xyang | dulek: we ran into one issue with versionedobjects conversion | 16:54 |
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| xyang | dulek: volume_metadata in volume db is changed to metadata in volume object | 16:54 |
| xyang | dulek: our CI failed because of that | 16:55 |
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| dulek | xyang: I've noticed that in logs recently. | 16:55 |
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| xyang | dulek: so other drivers could be affected | 16:55 |
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| dulek | xyang: We should probably add an alias to Volume object. | 16:55 |
| xyang | dulek: so for VNX driver, the create_volume function needs to use metadata but migrate_volume needs volume_metadata | 16:55 |
| xyang | dulek: +1 | 16:55 |
| dulek | xyang: I'll take a look on that. Thanks for reporting. | 16:56 |
| xyang | dulek: thanks | 16:56 |
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| hemna | so, FWIW, I created a dumping ground github repo for some of my brick tools I've been using here: https://github.com/WaltHP/hpe-openstack-tools | 16:57 |
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| hemna | if anyone wants to use/contribute to em | 16:57 |
| smcginnis | Cool! | 16:57 |
| hemna | I use those when testing stuffs | 16:57 |
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| hemna | that Cinder/Nova doesn't call just yet | 16:57 |
| hemna | the brick_volume.py dumps out the existing volume paths on the system for an attached volume. | 16:58 |
| hemna | http://paste.openstack.org/show/479295/ | 16:58 |
| hemna | looks like that | 16:58 |
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| smcginnis | OK, pretty much out of time. Thanks everyone. | 16:59 |
| geguileo | Thanks | 16:59 |
| smcginnis | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 18 16:59:22 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-11-18-16.00.html | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-11-18-16.00.txt | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2015/cinder.2015-11-18-16.00.log.html | 16:59 |
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| krtaylor | #startmeeting ironic-qa | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 18 17:00:32 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krtaylor. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic-qa)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic_qa' | 17:00 |
| krtaylor | anyone here for ironic-qa? | 17:00 |
| cdearborn | o/ | 17:00 |
| sinval | o/ | 17:00 |
| MattMan | o/ | 17:00 |
| rpioso | o/ | 17:00 |
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| krtaylor | hi everyone | 17:01 |
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| sinval | hey | 17:02 |
| krtaylor | I'll chair again this week since jlvillal is busy | 17:02 |
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| krtaylor | here is the agenda for the meeting: | 17:02 |
| krtaylor | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic-QA | 17:02 |
| krtaylor | I'll start with actions, I had one to talk to lucas about the spec | 17:03 |
| krtaylor | and that was done | 17:03 |
| krtaylor | any quick announcements? | 17:03 |
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| dtantsur | o/ | 17:03 |
| krtaylor | ok, well, then let's jump in | 17:04 |
| sinval | so I assume that the spec will land soon? | 17:04 |
| rajinir | hi | 17:04 |
| krtaylor | #topic grenade testing | 17:04 |
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| krtaylor | sinval, hope so, lets talk about that in the CI section | 17:04 |
| KevinCalman | o/ | 17:04 |
| sambetts | o/ | 17:05 |
| krtaylor | I don't have anything advancements or status here, anyone? | 17:05 |
| rajinir | o/ | 17:05 |
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| krtaylor | we'll have to wait until jlvillal gets back for a grenade update I guess | 17:06 |
| liliars | sorry guys, little late | 17:06 |
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| krtaylor | hi liliars, no worries | 17:06 |
| krtaylor | #topic functional testing | 17:06 |
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| krtaylor | same here for me, nothing to report, anyone? | 17:07 |
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| liliars | more like related to the third party ci things, but I talked to people over here and we are good to publish our functional tests | 17:07 |
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| sinval | well, for oneview driver, we created something like a "functional test suite", there is a bunch of code that was developed and could be reused for other CI | 17:08 |
| krtaylor | good, that needs a nudge to get started | 17:08 |
| liliars | I'm hoping someday next week *possibly* | 17:08 |
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| sinval | I thought that maybe we could work on it and make something like a piece of code that would be good to reuse in other CI, even for Ironic functional testing, what do you guys think about that? | 17:08 |
| * jroll apologizes for being late | 17:08 | |
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| krtaylor | sinval, I'd like to understand it, could you present the basic ideas next week? | 17:09 |
| jroll | is there functional testing for oneview that doesn't apply to other things? | 17:09 |
| jroll | I'd rather just have those in the main tree | 17:09 |
| sinval | krtaylor, sure | 17:09 |
| liliars | yeah that's what we talked about last week | 17:10 |
| liliars | (for a few seconds) | 17:10 |
| sinval | Actually, I think that the basic functional test suite for each driver could be totally reusable, something like: "if you are developing a driver CI: here is a lib for functional testing in Ironic that your CI can reuse to test you driver, and in this lib there is a bunch o test cases already implemented that can be configured and you can reuse and take care of more specific test cases of your driver", maybe this lib can be useful in Ironic func | 17:10 |
| sinval | tional testing module | 17:10 |
| jroll | yeah, I'd rather that just go up into ironic | 17:10 |
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| sinval | nice | 17:10 |
| liliars | cool | 17:11 |
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| sambetts | +1000 | 17:11 |
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| liliars | we'll plan on it | 17:11 |
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| krtaylor | sinval, liliars - please add to the agenda for next week | 17:11 |
| liliars | will do | 17:12 |
| sinval | We'll formalize that on something like a RFC for you guys | 17:12 |
| jroll | well | 17:12 |
| jroll | is it just api commands to play with power control and such? | 17:12 |
| sinval | yep, kind of | 17:13 |
| liliars | plus some management stuff | 17:13 |
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| liliars | deploy is on its way | 17:13 |
| sinval | but we did some tricky test scenarios, and setup things to test drivers | 17:13 |
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| jroll | yeah, I'd just propose the code honestly | 17:13 |
| sinval | sounds great | 17:13 |
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| jroll | maybe a quick etherpad if you want to lay out what it does first | 17:13 |
| krtaylor | yes, that will be good to understand | 17:13 |
| jroll | krtaylor: ^ you good with that? | 17:13 |
| sinval | jroll, ok | 17:14 |
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| liliars | I also think it's more reasonable, most of the tests are pretty easy to understand anyway | 17:14 |
| krtaylor | +1, and an explanation if needed next week should get everyone on the same page | 17:14 |
| liliars | (I hope hah) | 17:14 |
| krtaylor | cool, anything else on functional testing? | 17:15 |
| liliars | cool :) | 17:15 |
| krtaylor | #topic 3rd party CI | 17:15 |
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| krtaylor | so, the spec is coming along | 17:15 |
| krtaylor | good comments | 17:15 |
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| sinval | awesome | 17:16 |
| krtaylor | I think the rest of the details can be documented in documentation patches | 17:16 |
| jroll | ++ | 17:16 |
| krtaylor | and refined there | 17:16 |
| krtaylor | main thing is to get all the drivers contacted and aware of the schedule | 17:16 |
| rajinir | is there a link to the spec? sorry I'm new to the meeting. What spec are we talking about | 17:16 |
| liliars | agreed | 17:16 |
| liliars | docs can have more details, but I understand folks concerns over there | 17:17 |
| rajinir | Spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241294 ? | 17:17 |
| krtaylor | then get the driver teams in the infra CI meetings, understanding zuul/jenkins etc | 17:17 |
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| liliars | yeah rajinir | 17:17 |
| sinval | krtaylor, +1 | 17:18 |
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| krtaylor | yes, thats it | 17:18 |
| aarefiev | rloo, jroll: please take a look, is it right way to add notes https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226201/ | 17:18 |
| aarefiev | missed | 17:19 |
| krtaylor | aarefiev, can we move review requests to #openstack-ironic? | 17:19 |
| aarefiev | krtaylor: sorry | 17:19 |
| krtaylor | aarefiev, np | 17:19 |
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| krtaylor | so, anything else on CI? everybody gearing up? :) | 17:20 |
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| krtaylor | we (IBM PowerKVM) should turn on our ironic ci testing soon | 17:20 |
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| liliars | yep! :) | 17:21 |
| krtaylor | then we can help document what we did | 17:21 |
| rajinir | Is everyone following asselin's docs to setup the CI? | 17:21 |
| sinval | o/ | 17:21 |
| krtaylor | I was hoping to get the doc structure out soon | 17:21 |
| MattMan | That would be great, evn though our driver is not (yet) in tree I am planning on getting CI going as soon as I can | 17:21 |
| sambetts | We (Cisco) have a plan :) | 17:21 |
| rajinir | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/227584/9/contrib/README.md ? | 17:21 |
| * jroll gets excited | 17:22 | |
| krtaylor | rajinir, a better way to ask might be is everyone using upstream infra for their test services? | 17:22 |
| liliars | krtaylor: cool, feel free to ping me when you decide to \o/ | 17:22 |
| krtaylor | liliars, will do | 17:22 |
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| rajinir | krtaylor: ok,sure (this is Dell, we just getting started) | 17:23 |
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| liliars | also, are we ready to talk about the definition of a reliable ci? | 17:23 |
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| krtaylor | rajinir, get involved in the infra CI meeting, a great place for getting statred help | 17:24 |
| liliars | last meeting we kinda talked about it but no conclusions | 17:24 |
| * krtaylor runs away... | 17:24 | |
| sinval | hahahah | 17:24 |
| liliars | wait!! | 17:24 |
| krtaylor | well, I finally did get everyone to agree on a CI dashboard | 17:24 |
| liliars | hah | 17:24 |
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| rajinir | krtaylor: sure, thx | 17:25 |
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| sambetts | Thats something that we'd like to know too, as well how many events we should be expected so we know how to scale our CI | 17:25 |
| krtaylor | so we have one solution for that now, but there is so much more | 17:25 |
| krtaylor | sambetts, we have been using satckalytics and guessing | 17:25 |
| sinval | I have some thinking about that, but maybe is better to have this kind of discussion during the doc patches... | 17:25 |
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| liliars | sambetts +1 for scaling | 17:25 |
| liliars | first I thought we were going to consider every ironic patch but I saw that changed in the spec | 17:26 |
| * jroll tries to get real numbers | 17:26 | |
| krtaylor | sambetts, sinval - agreed, a recommendation of what is required and a rough average on patch counts would be good for planning | 17:26 |
| jroll | wait, that changed? | 17:26 |
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| jroll | it should still be every patch | 17:26 |
| krtaylor | no, didnt change | 17:27 |
| krtaylor | patch = change | 17:27 |
| liliars | 1 sec | 17:27 |
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| krtaylor | liliars, every change = every patch | 17:27 |
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| krtaylor | it was a wording change | 17:27 |
| sambetts | We are currently looking at ordering hardware for our CI, so knowing how much parralisation we need is important :) | 17:28 |
| liliars | from the spec: *..to test the driver against every code change proposed for Ironic, unless that change is to code or documentation that is irrelevant to the driver.* | 17:28 |
| sinval | thanks liliars | 17:28 |
| krtaylor | sambetts, it was an evolving sizing for us, we are still getting it right after 2+ years | 17:28 |
| liliars | dont't know if I misunderstood that | 17:29 |
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| krtaylor | liliars, change = patch, should I make that more clear? | 17:29 |
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| sinval | "irrelevant" for me here is OneView CI should not test iLO implementation changes | 17:29 |
| krtaylor | exactly | 17:29 |
| sambetts | liliars: every change to ironic could cause a breakage, so every change is relevant | 17:29 |
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| krtaylor | every core change, that is what that clarified | 17:30 |
| jroll | well, I think we need to start with all changes and narrow down from there | 17:30 |
| sinval | krtaylor, agree | 17:30 |
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| sambetts | I agree, iLo could do something weird that for some reason breaks my code, and I'd want to test against that | 17:30 |
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| sinval | have you guys decided about the time to test things? | 17:31 |
| liliars | yeah I get it | 17:31 |
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| krtaylor | but if that driver is not enabled, generally speaking, isn't that a no-op anyway? | 17:31 |
| sinval | we are facing ~40 mins to run a deploy interface test case... | 17:31 |
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| liliars | I think I misunderstood the meaning of "irrelevant" here | 17:32 |
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| liliars | thanks for the clarifications guys krtaylor sambetts | 17:32 |
| afaranha | in order to run all the core patches we would need a few more machines for the CI (I'm from OneView Team) | 17:32 |
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| krtaylor | liliars, let's refine that wording in the requirements documentation :) | 17:32 |
| afaranha | and with what we have thing would stack and one patch could take very long to start running | 17:32 |
| jroll | sinval: the gate also takes ~40 minutes to run the pxe_ipa job | 17:33 |
| liliars | krtaylor: yeah! will make a note on that :) | 17:33 |
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| krtaylor | sinval, that is about right time-wise | 17:33 |
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| sinval | jroll, krtaylor nice :) | 17:34 |
| sambetts | I havn't got any data on ours yet, but I know that the boot time on our servers is not fast | 17:34 |
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| krtaylor | 40 minutes + setup/teardown * daily patch average = machines needed for peak load, ymmv | 17:34 |
| sinval | sambetts, feel you pain :( | 17:34 |
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| MattMan | Our SPARC servers are also quite slow to boot | 17:34 |
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| krtaylor | let's table this for now, we can continue to share timing/sizing estimates in future meetings | 17:36 |
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| sambetts | cool :) | 17:36 |
| krtaylor | #topics General QA topics | 17:36 |
| krtaylor | all drivers case - testing conflicts | 17:37 |
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| krtaylor | does someone want to lead that discussion? | 17:37 |
| sambetts | krtaylor: I don't think the topic changed | 17:37 |
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| krtaylor | oops | 17:37 |
| krtaylor | #topic General QA topics | 17:37 |
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| krtaylor | much better | 17:37 |
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| krtaylor | anyone? | 17:38 |
| sambetts | Ok, so in the ironic meeting on Monday, it was brought up, should we be testing the case of enabling all the drivers to check for | 17:39 |
| sambetts | conflicts | 17:39 |
| sambetts | ? | 17:39 |
| * krtaylor is trying to come up with a use case | 17:39 | |
| jroll | so I thought more about that and want to defer doing things with this until pavlo files the bug he promised | 17:39 |
| liliars | yeah that one, was trying to remember the context, thanks sam | 17:39 |
| jroll | and it's actually about installing dependencies, not necessarily enabling the drivers | 17:39 |
| jroll | packaging is a good use case for this | 17:40 |
| sinval | what were the drivers involved on this problem? IRMC and iLO? | 17:40 |
| krtaylor | is it a pre-req versioning test? or a namespace test? | 17:40 |
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| jroll | it's a "make sure services run with all the things installed" | 17:41 |
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| krtaylor | jroll, but would that ever happen in real life? | 17:42 |
| jroll | krtaylor: a distro may ship with all the driver deps installed, yes | 17:42 |
| sambetts | I believe their bug was they installed a dependecy and it blows up the conductor, which should be covered by a third party CI one right? | 17:42 |
| krtaylor | jroll, ah, thats the use case I needed, thanks | 17:43 |
| jroll | yeah, third party CI should also cover this | 17:43 |
| jroll | I'm not inclined to make this a priority, at least until someone files a bug | 17:43 |
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| krtaylor | so, the test is to install all packages and see if the install worked, seems easy enough | 17:44 |
| jroll | right, it would need to stay non-voting so packages not in g-r can't explode the gate | 17:44 |
| jroll | but yeah | 17:44 |
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| krtaylor | ok, well we can defer this until the need arises | 17:45 |
| sambetts | not all drivers reqs are installable via PyPi, so we'd have to have a bunch of special sauce too | 17:45 |
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| krtaylor | thanks for the clarification, I understand the need now | 17:45 |
| krtaylor | anything else on this? | 17:46 |
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| krtaylor | #topic Open Discussion | 17:46 |
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| jroll | I have a thing here | 17:46 |
| jroll | http://bit.ly/1OQD1mv <- graph of ironic patches + rechecks per day | 17:46 |
| * krtaylor look | 17:46 | |
| jroll | so this seems roughly like what a third party CI needs to support | 17:47 |
| rajinir | max:30 | 17:47 |
| krtaylor | ok, and other systems handle this within a set time frame | 17:47 |
| krtaylor | so you don't need a system that can run 30 at once | 17:47 |
| krtaylor | other projects say within 4 hours | 17:48 |
| krtaylor | nova for instance | 17:48 |
| rajinir | what is the interval ? | 17:48 |
| jroll | a second thing: I'm in talks with some folks, it tentatively appears that OSIC can provide some hardware for ipmitool third party testing. I can't promise that I can maintain the third party CI for that, but I can probably gather some help from either other rackspace people or the community | 17:48 |
| rajinir | and any predictions on the growth rate? | 17:48 |
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| jroll | better graph, covers the past year: http://graphite.openstack.org/render/?width=586&height=308&_salt=1447868663.13&lineMode=connected&from=00:00_20141115&until=23:59_20151118&target=summarize%28stats_counts.zuul.pipeline.check.openstack.ironic.total_changes,%20%271d%27%29 | 17:49 |
| sambetts | krtaylor: so 4 hours * 30 / how long it takes to run your test = how many machines we'll need | 17:49 |
| krtaylor | jroll, I know there are other discussions for ipmi too | 17:49 |
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| liliars | cool! thanks jroll, thats helpful | 17:49 |
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| jroll | krtaylor: cool, I've got a soft yes on it - they want to see what we need from a network perspective | 17:50 |
| krtaylor | sambetts, we haven't set a timeframe for ironic testing requirements, but if we used nova's for example, it would need to report results within 4 hours after a patch is submitted | 17:50 |
| jroll | so we/I need to write something up there | 17:50 |
| rajinir | jroll:Thanks | 17:50 |
| sambetts | krtaylor: Makes sense :) thats something we'll need to define it the whole "what is a reliable CI?" convo then | 17:51 |
| liliars | +1 | 17:51 |
| jroll | yeah | 17:51 |
| krtaylor | sambetts, exactly | 17:51 |
| jroll | and of course we can aim to improve over time, start looser and tighten as we go | 17:51 |
| jroll | or get some CIs up and see what's reasonable | 17:51 |
| sinval | what about logs? how much time to keep them? | 17:51 |
| sinval | 1 month? | 17:52 |
| krtaylor | cinder started with a much larger number at first, it makes the sizing estimates easier | 17:52 |
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| krtaylor | sinval, the infra requirement was 6 months, now down to a month | 17:52 |
| liliars | yeah also makes sense, and give us some time to adjust | 17:52 |
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| sambetts | krtaylor: larger number of expected patch sets? or time to post comment? | 17:52 |
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| sinval | krtaylor, cool | 17:52 |
| krtaylor | sambetts, time to post CI result comment | 17:53 |
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| sambetts | krtaylor: Ok that makes sense :) | 17:53 |
| krtaylor | so start with 8 hours for N, then 4 hours for O, etc | 17:53 |
| krtaylor | as teams get running CI systems, they will be better able to see what they need to hit a 4 hour window | 17:54 |
| jroll | ++ | 17:54 |
| sambetts | ++ | 17:54 |
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| krtaylor | our (powerkvm) goal has always been to beat jenkins :) | 17:54 |
| krtaylor | and we do often | 17:55 |
| jroll | heh | 17:55 |
| sambetts | gamify it :D | 17:55 |
| * jroll 5 minute warning | 17:55 | |
| krtaylor | YES | 17:55 |
| krtaylor | ok, are we winding down here? | 17:55 |
| krtaylor | last call for topics | 17:56 |
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| krtaylor | ok, thanks everyone, another good meeting! | 17:56 |
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| sambetts | Thanks krtaylor o/ | 17:56 |
| jroll | \o/ thanks for leading, krtaylor | 17:56 |
| krtaylor | #endmeeting | 17:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 18 17:56:45 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2015/ironic_qa.2015-11-18-17.00.html | 17:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2015/ironic_qa.2015-11-18-17.00.txt | 17:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2015/ironic_qa.2015-11-18-17.00.log.html | 17:56 |
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| KevinCalman | Thanks | 17:57 |
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| skraynev_ | #startmeeting heat | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 18 20:00:24 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is skraynev_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 20:00 |
| skraynev_ | #topic rollcall | 20:00 |
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| stevebaker | \o | 20:00 |
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| prazumovsky | hi! | 20:00 |
| tspatzier | hi | 20:00 |
| jdandrea | \o | 20:00 |
| shardy | o/ | 20:00 |
| rpothier | o/ | 20:00 |
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| skraynev_ | ok. let's start | 20:01 |
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| stevebaker | zaneb: ping | 20:02 |
| zaneb | o/ | 20:02 |
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| zaneb | thanks | 20:02 |
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| skraynev_ | #topic Adding items to agenda | 20:02 |
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| skraynev_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282015-11-18_2000_UTC.29 | 20:02 |
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| skraynev_ | agenda looks full | 20:03 |
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| skraynev_ | #topic Review priorities | 20:04 |
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| skraynev_ | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-reviews | 20:04 |
| stevebaker | skraynev_: Can we add: Voting status of convergence gate | 20:04 |
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| skraynev_ | stevebaker: sure | 20:04 |
| zaneb | ooh, yeah. it looks so close | 20:05 |
| skraynev_ | stevebaker: done | 20:05 |
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| skraynev_ | zaneb: I am not sure, but huangtianhua has two patches for mentioned bug | 20:07 |
| skraynev_ | zaneb: could you review and leave comment on it ? | 20:07 |
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| zaneb | skraynev: did already. one is for delete, one for update. I handled both (+ a few other operations) in my patch | 20:07 |
| skraynev_ | zaneb: bravo ;) | 20:08 |
| zaneb | we should probably look at other improvements (including the ones in huangtianhua's patches) as well | 20:08 |
| zaneb | but they're not urgent to resolve the bug | 20:08 |
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| skraynev_ | zaneb: thank you for the note, because I start thinking, that both patches should be abandoned. | 20:09 |
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| zaneb | yeah, as I said in the comment it's a two-pronged approach | 20:10 |
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| zaneb | fix the bugs where we are not handling exceptions appropriately | 20:10 |
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| zaneb | but top priority is to make sure we don't leave the user in the lurch, no matter how badly we screw up the exception handling | 20:11 |
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| skraynev_ | zaneb: ok. got it . thx ;) | 20:11 |
| skraynev_ | According etherpad we have two the most important things: new API for outputs and openstack-client integration | 20:11 |
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| skraynev_ | so review are welcome ^ | 20:13 |
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| skraynev_ | #topic Voting status of convergence gate | 20:13 |
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| skraynev_ | @stevebaker: ^_^ | 20:13 |
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| skraynev_ | hm ... | 20:14 |
| stevebaker | we may or may not be close to having that job pass, but its been failing for long enough that I think we really need to skip the failing tests and make it voting now | 20:14 |
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| stevebaker | because currently we risk landing convergence regressions which don't get noticed | 20:15 |
| stevebaker | we can unskip tests as they pass | 20:15 |
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| skraynev_ | how about landing these queue https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241973/ | 20:15 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: I looked the other day | 20:15 |
| skraynev_ | ? | 20:15 |
| zaneb | and all the tests are failing for the same reason | 20:16 |
| zaneb | timeout on delete of an autoscaling group IIRC | 20:16 |
| zaneb | that suggests to me that we only have 1 bug left to fix | 20:16 |
| skraynev_ | zaneb: I'd think in favor of 2 | 20:16 |
| stevebaker | oh, cool. in that case I withdraw my suggestion :D | 20:17 |
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| skraynev_ | zaneb: just according last Anant's comment for patch | 20:17 |
| zaneb | ah, yeah | 20:17 |
| zaneb | so https://review.openstack.org/#/c/238194/5 added a new test | 20:17 |
| zaneb | for which we already have a convergence bug | 20:18 |
| zaneb | https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1513233 | 20:18 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1513233 in heat "Convergence doesn't check resource types on update" [Medium,New] - Assigned to Rakesh H S (rh-s) | 20:18 |
| zaneb | so we should probably skip that one | 20:18 |
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| skraynev_ | stevebaker: I'd like to create some target - like make voting convergence at the end of the next week | 20:19 |
| skraynev_ | just need more focused review for this | 20:19 |
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| stevebaker | skraynev_: +1, either by fixing or skipping | 20:19 |
| skraynev_ | zaneb: agree. | 20:19 |
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| skraynev_ | #action : skraynev sync with HP guys for making convergence job voting to the end of the next week | 20:21 |
| skraynev_ | ok. next one: | 20:21 |
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| skraynev_ | #topic: Cleaning specification repository | 20:21 |
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| skraynev_ | therve: around? | 20:21 |
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| skraynev_ | looks like - no | 20:22 |
| skraynev_ | so I will try to explain topic | 20:22 |
| skraynev_ | currently we have several specification, which are already merged , but not implemented | 20:23 |
| skraynev_ | the idea is to make some cleaning for such specifications | 20:23 |
| skraynev_ | possible solutions: | 20:23 |
| skraynev_ | 1. remove it | 20:23 |
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| skraynev_ | 2. make like for nova specification | 20:24 |
| skraynev_ | i.e. have a list of implemented and not implemented for each release | 20:24 |
| skraynev_ | 3. have one global scope of specification, which are not implemented | 20:24 |
| skraynev_ | and when one of them is implemented/finished move it to specific release | 20:25 |
| shardy | I think (2) makes most sense, there will always be things proposed which don't get done | 20:25 |
| randallburt | fwiw I like 3. It seems odd to pop it into a release folder if its not actually in that release | 20:25 |
| shardy | but we don't want to completely remove ideas which were presumably good enough to merge a spec for | 20:25 |
| shardy | I suppose a (4) is to move all non-implemented specs around rc time | 20:26 |
| skraynev_ | shardy: yeap, I agree, that #1 is the worst choice | 20:26 |
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| shardy | when we know they won't get done, e.g into $release+1 folder | 20:26 |
| zaneb | I kind of like 3 | 20:26 |
| zaneb | agree we don't want 1 | 20:27 |
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| randallburt | yeah, have a heat-next or proposed folder where we put new ones or ones not implemented. | 20:27 |
| zaneb | I guess downside of 3 is that links break when it hits a release | 20:27 |
| zaneb | that would suck | 20:27 |
| shardy | Related to this, we could probably do with some way to find volunteers for things which have been proposed, then folks have moved on | 20:27 |
| randallburt | zaneb: can't we just fix the links when we move them? | 20:27 |
| skraynev_ | shardy: there is only one potential issue, which was mentioned by therve: implementation some spec not in the current release, i.e. in the next of after the next release | 20:27 |
| stevebaker | 4 sounds reasonable, just roll over the specs to the next version. | 20:28 |
| zaneb | randallburt: it depends who has linked to them, so I would have to say no | 20:28 |
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| randallburt | oh, externally linked, gotcha | 20:28 |
| shardy | zaneb: can we handle that by decoupling specs from blueprints in launchpad (which would still be release orientated)? | 20:28 |
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| shardy | zaneb: Oh, sorry you mean HTTP links to the spec, I misunderstood | 20:29 |
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| zaneb | sorry, apparently my statement was extremely vague ;) | 20:29 |
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| zaneb | my bad | 20:30 |
| shardy | zaneb: heh, it's been a long day ;) | 20:30 |
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| shardy | Whatever we do I like the idea of having a rolling list of "proposed but not implemented", somewhere | 20:31 |
| skraynev_ | shardy: do I correctly understand, that due to links issue we can not have some global scope for specs ? | 20:31 |
| shardy | as it makes it easier to track when something is stalled and needs a new assignee | 20:31 |
| zaneb | shardy++ | 20:32 |
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| zaneb | honestly, I would be happy to have one namespace for all specs and then use launchpad to determine which release they're in | 20:32 |
| stevebaker | whatever we adopt we could always have stub specs which link to their final home. | 20:32 |
| shardy | skraynev_: I think the problem is only if we move them, as $someone might have a link to them | 20:32 |
| shardy | doesn't seem like a huge issue to me, but having a flat specs tree sounds OK | 20:33 |
| stevebaker | zaneb: some projects are ditching launchpad for tracking bp milestones and replacing it with... a gerrit based thing? | 20:33 |
| zaneb | orly? | 20:33 |
| stevebaker | afaik | 20:34 |
| zaneb | I thought infra's magic new tracking tool, whatever its called, was going to be the launchpad replacement | 20:34 |
| shardy | storyboard | 20:34 |
| zaneb | yeah, that one | 20:34 |
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| stevebaker | storyboard is dead | 20:34 |
| jdandrea | Storyboard - I was wondering what happened to that. | 20:34 |
| skraynev_ | stevebaker: yeah, unfortunately | 20:35 |
| stevebaker | some php tool may replace launchpad for *bugs* | 20:35 |
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| jdandrea | So keep calm and carry on launchpad/etc.? | 20:35 |
| shardy | Honestly, I'd be quite happy to just have a status section of the spec "Available in: $release" etc | 20:35 |
| shardy | if we have a flat spec tree | 20:35 |
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| stevebaker | but blueprints are unique, because launchpad really doesn't add much value there | 20:36 |
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| shardy | I remember granular tracking of status via LP being a big thing for release meetings, is that still the case? | 20:36 |
| randallburt | shardy: +1 | 20:36 |
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| zaneb | shardy: who cares what release it's available in? tracking that is so not what specs are for | 20:36 |
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| stevebaker | shardy: no, because tere are no release meetings anymore ;) | 20:36 |
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| skraynev_ | shardy, zaneb: how about mixed approach: one namespace for all specs, and separate directories for each release, with one doc which has links with references on implemented specs in this release | 20:37 |
| skraynev_ | ? | 20:37 |
| shardy | zaneb: I'm saying if we didn't have/use launchpad, that would be a way to track it | 20:37 |
| skraynev_ | stevebaker: WHAT?! | 20:37 |
| skraynev_ | about release meetings | 20:37 |
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| stevebaker | skraynev_: oh, are there release meetings? | 20:38 |
| * jdandrea sound of record scratching to a halt | 20:38 | |
| * stevebaker is not sure of the evolving big tent process | 20:38 | |
| skraynev_ | stevebaker: I thought -yes... but I missed last two | 20:38 |
| shardy | stevebaker: Yeah, I knew the big meeting stopped, I assumed there were still 1-1 chats with $release_manager | 20:38 |
| zaneb | skraynev_: sounds reasonable to me | 20:38 |
| stevebaker | skraynev_: there is the project meeting, but that doesn't cover release topics these days | 20:39 |
| stevebaker | and there wasn't one yesterday because there was no agenda | 20:39 |
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| shardy | Anyway, sorry, I wish I'd never conflated milestone/release tracking and specs now ;) | 20:39 |
| Jokke_ | the release team meeting is at Fridays iirc | 20:39 |
| skraynev_ | stevebaker: oh... I see. | 20:39 |
| Jokke_ | if anyone needs something from them | 20:39 |
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| skraynev_ | Jokke_: ok. which time ? | 20:40 |
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| stevebaker | shardy: no 1-1 chats anymore, its up to projects to keep their launchpad in order, and say when they are ready for milestone releases | 20:40 |
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| Jokke_ | skraynev_: I think it was 1400 utc, but please check from the meeting list as I might be wrong | 20:41 |
| skraynev_ | shardy, stevebaker, randallburt: so what's about last idea for specs structure? | 20:41 |
| shardy | stevebaker: cool, thanks for the clarification | 20:41 |
| stevebaker | everyone should read this | 20:41 |
| stevebaker | #link https://www.mail-archive.com/openstack-dev@lists.openstack.org/msg67125.html | 20:41 |
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| shardy | skraynev_: I'm +1 on anything which doesn't remove them completely | 20:41 |
| skraynev_ | stevebaker: sounds cool | 20:41 |
| skraynev_ | shardy: ok. | 20:41 |
| skraynev_ | #action skraynev or somebody else send mail and start re-organization for specs repository according last suggestion | 20:42 |
| skraynev_ | #topic: Status of https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/mitaka-1 | 20:43 |
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| skraynev_ | it's about first milestone status | 20:43 |
| stevebaker | zaneb: ah, that mail ^ describes reno as the replacement for using launchpad for tracking blueprints | 20:43 |
| skraynev_ | we have two weeks before it, as I understand | 20:43 |
| zaneb | stevebaker: yeah, reading now :) | 20:44 |
| zaneb | wow, milestone-1 always comes up so fast | 20:44 |
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| skraynev_ | 3 December as I see, may be I look on wrong date ;) | 20:45 |
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| zaneb | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Mitaka_Release_Schedule | 20:46 |
| zaneb | you're not wrong | 20:46 |
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| skraynev_ | oh.. then need to start moving bugs and specs ;) or finishing them | 20:47 |
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| skraynev_ | also we have a lot of unassigned bugs | 20:48 |
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| skraynev_ | so do not hesitate to fix them ;) | 20:48 |
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| skraynev_ | last one topic and 10 minutes for it ;) | 20:50 |
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| jdandrea | Will try to keep it brief. ;) | 20:50 |
| skraynev_ | #topic: RFC on https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1516807 and possible approaches | 20:50 |
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| openstack | Launchpad bug 1516807 in heat "Nested resources missing orchestration UUID at lifecycle plugin time" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Joe D'Andrea (joedandrea) | 20:50 |
| jdandrea | First: This is the first time I've ever added to the agenda. If it's not an appropriate item, no worries. I can broach it on #heat. | 20:50 |
| stevebaker | ban him! | 20:51 |
| jdandrea | lol | 20:51 |
| jdandrea | Nooooo! | 20:51 |
| * jdandrea cowers | 20:51 | |
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| skraynev_ | jdandrea: you have a big audience, so I think it's good chance ... | 20:51 |
| jdandrea | Alrighty then. | 20:51 |
| jdandrea | Doesn't have to be solved here, ofc. ... | 20:51 |
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| jdandrea | So I'm running into a weird situation with UUIDs (not id, but uuid, in a resource) | 20:52 |
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| jdandrea | These are used, AFAIK, for convergence. *thumbs up* | 20:52 |
| zaneb | jdandrea: so what I'd like to ask is how exactly you're using them | 20:52 |
| jdandrea | zaneb: Sure. | 20:52 |
| zaneb | these are the resource uuid's I gather | 20:52 |
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| jdandrea | Yes, not the physical ids. These are created before instantiation. | 20:53 |
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| jdandrea | When a resource is persisted. | 20:53 |
| zaneb | as in, the ones that the random suffix on autogenerated resource names are calculated from | 20:53 |
| zaneb | ack, gotcha | 20:53 |
| jdandrea | Ah, ok. ("The More You Know" - whooosh - U.S. humor) | 20:53 |
| jdandrea | I'm using stack lifecycle plugins. | 20:53 |
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| jdandrea | And one of the things I'm doing (which I finally got open source approval on - yaaaay) concerns scheduling an entire stack of resources vs. one at a time. | 20:54 |
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| jdandrea | Heat is key since it handles stacks (heh). In the lifecycle plugin, we can look at all the resources, do the scheduling holistically, persist the answers, and then downstream we place them the usual way (even if you use nova/cinder directly, we can still do it, but I digress). | 20:55 |
| zaneb | pretty sure that's why mspreitzer & friends added those plugins :) | 20:55 |
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| jdandrea | So I've been using monolithic templates. | 20:55 |
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| jdandrea | When I preview the resources I get UUIDs. This is great because it's easy to key to those. | 20:55 |
| jdandrea | The other day I finally got around to nested stacks. | 20:55 |
| jdandrea | And ... | 20:55 |
| jdandrea | oops. | 20:55 |
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| jdandrea | Those have no UUIDs! Reason: They aren't yet persisted (I think). | 20:56 |
| zaneb | right, because they're not created until they're... created | 20:56 |
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| jdandrea | So I started thinking ... is there a way to have those calculated ahead of time, and you'll see my bullets in that bug. The first two are throwaway. | 20:56 |
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| jdandrea | The third one is what i'm wondering about, to see if it's even remotely plausible, or if there are ideas I haven't thought of. | 20:57 |
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| jdandrea | Again, not to solve it here, but just to raise it as a question. | 20:57 |
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| zaneb | it's at least plausible, I think | 20:57 |
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| stevebaker | jdandrea: you could always create the resource uuid early, and store the physical id as resource data. Its a shame not to treat the physical id as the resource id but not terrible | 20:57 |
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| zaneb | certainly for anything inheriting from stack_resource | 20:57 |
| skraynev_ | jdandrea: heh. may be use openstack dev for gathering more ideas and suggestions ? | 20:58 |
| zaneb | (i.e. not OS::Heat::Stack, but all other kinds of nested stacks) | 20:58 |
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| jdandrea | stevebaker: I didn't think I could do that, actually. I thought that was a no-no. | 20:58 |
| zaneb | let's not add anything else to resource_data | 20:58 |
| jdandrea | stevebaker: I'd love to treat the physical id as the uuid (what I've taken to calling the orchestration id vs. physical id), but the resource definition hasn't reached nova/cinder/et. al yet. | 20:58 |
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| jdandrea | skraynev_: I'm all for that. :) | 20:59 |
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| jdandrea | skraynev_: meaning #openstack-dev ? | 20:59 |
| skraynev_ | nope | 20:59 |
| jdandrea | Oh. :) | 20:59 |
| skraynev_ | I meant openstack-dev mailing list | 20:59 |
| jdandrea | Ahhh, that. Yes. | 20:59 |
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| jdandrea | "I knew that." *grins* | 20:59 |
| jdandrea | Sure. | 20:59 |
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| skraynev_ | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
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| jdandrea | Basically, whatever happens, I'd prefer it be minimal entropy (wouldn't we all). | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 18 21:00:16 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-11-18-20.00.html | 21:00 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-11-18-20.00.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2015/heat.2015-11-18-20.00.log.html | 21:00 |
| skraynev_ | thanks everyone ;) | 21:00 |
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| jdandrea | Thanks! | 21:00 |
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| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 18 21:00:30 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| skraynev_ | let's continue in #heat | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
| jrichli | o/ | 21:00 |
| notmyname | hello, everyone | 21:00 |
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| notmyname | swift meeting time | 21:00 |
| notmyname | who' | 21:00 |
| notmyname | who's here? | 21:00 |
| wbhuber | o/ | 21:00 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:00 |
| minwoob_ | o/ | 21:00 |
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| ho-mobile | Hi | 21:00 |
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| acoles | hi | 21:00 |
| cschwede | o/ | 21:00 |
| gmmaha | o/ | 21:00 |
| torgomatic | ✔️ | 21:00 |
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| tdasilva | hi | 21:00 |
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| cutforth | o/ | 21:01 |
| notmyname | [1]eranrom: what's up with your nick? :-) | 21:01 |
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| [1]eranrom | donno | 21:01 |
| notmyname | a few things to go over this week | 21:01 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:01 |
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| notmyname | first up, some followup from last week | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | #topic swiftclient | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | hey joeljwright | 21:02 |
| joeljwright | hey, sorry I'm late | 21:02 |
| notmyname | np. just starting | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | last week we talked about py26 in swiftclient | 21:02 |
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| joeljwright | sounds good to me | 21:04 |
| mattoliverau | sounds good | 21:04 |
| joeljwright | there are multiple options for rhel6 based distros | 21:04 |
| torgomatic | no complaints here | 21:04 |
| mattoliverau | if we can't test it, then we can't support it | 21:04 |
| cschwede | mattoliverau: fully agree! | 21:05 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: very true | 21:05 |
| notmyname | the other option would be for someone to step up with 3rd party CI for py26 | 21:05 |
| notmyname | however, 3rd party jobs aren't voting in the gate | 21:05 |
| joeljwright | I think there are enough good options | 21:05 |
| joeljwright | and good reasons not to use py26 | 21:05 |
| notmyname | so we *could* do it in the community QA cluster. but I don't think we should | 21:06 |
| joeljwright | softwarecollections and uis both have python27 parallel installables for rhel6 based distros | 21:06 |
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| mattoliverau | I think its fine to drop, we dropped it in the server about a release ago, the client staggers a release.. so lets drop it. | 21:06 |
| notmyname | does anyone want to fight for keeping py26 support in swiftclient? | 21:06 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: I think there's a wider base for the client than for the server. most client users shouldn't care what's in the server | 21:07 |
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| notmyname | ok | 21:07 |
| mattoliverau | that's true, but its nice for us developers to have a similar code base for both (or no crazy hacks) :P | 21:08 |
| notmyname | #agreed drop support for py26 in python-swiftclient | 21:08 |
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| notmyname | of course the actual final "agreement" for that will be the patches in gerrit | 21:08 |
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| notmyname | so here's the plan: we'll likely need to do a final 2.x series release with py26 support. then we'll do a 3.0 release without py26 | 21:09 |
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| notmyname | those don't have to be one right after each other, but they should probably be relatively close | 21:09 |
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| notmyname | I'll check on the -infra side to get actual dates for py26 tests | 21:09 |
| notmyname | and go from there | 21:10 |
| mattoliverau | sounds great | 21:10 |
| notmyname | one more thing on swiftclient | 21:10 |
| joeljwright | cool | 21:10 |
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| notmyname | in tokyo we talked about raising the default auth version | 21:10 |
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| notmyname | specifically, when OS_* options are used, use v2/3 (discovery?) and if -A -K -U options are used, select v1 auth | 21:11 |
| notmyname | and in all cases, respect an explicit option | 21:11 |
| notmyname | (this is for the swift CLI tool) | 21:11 |
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| joeljwright | is this a case for keystone client sessions and version discovery? | 21:11 |
| notmyname | I think keystone sessions are orthogonal | 21:11 |
| joeljwright | I ask like that because I noticed that discovery without sessions using keystoneclient is deprecated | 21:12 |
| notmyname | ah, interesting | 21:12 |
| acoles | i realised after tokyo that when OS_* options are used, it currently defaults to v2. Changing to default to discovery could introducing an extra request to keystone, always, on default | 21:12 |
| notmyname | acoles: ok | 21:12 |
| [1]eranrom | So its not raising the default auth version, rather its automatically using the 'right' version | 21:12 |
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| notmyname | yeah | 21:13 |
| notmyname | acoles: so does that mean that we don't actually need to do anything extreme? | 21:13 |
| acoles | notmyname: also i didnt get the "discovery" to work yet but i am pretty sure thats down to lack of trying hard enough on my part | 21:13 |
| notmyname | we had said we should bump it all the way to v3, but that was with the assumption that we always had v1 now | 21:13 |
| notmyname | and if we do the session work first, then we can do the discovery later as needed (based on what joeljwright said) | 21:14 |
| acoles | notmyname: its conplicated/confusing - default is v1 unless none of -A/U/K are used, then default becomes v2 iirc | 21:14 |
| acoles | notmyname: we could debate changing the second default to v3 | 21:14 |
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| notmyname | acoles: which is pretty close to what we were proposing in tokyo | 21:14 |
| acoles | notmyname: yeah iirc, then we got sidetracked on the discovery thing | 21:15 |
| notmyname | so let's leave things the way they are today (wrt defaults) | 21:15 |
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| notmyname | and attack any discovery only after the session stuff is integrated | 21:15 |
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| notmyname | sound good? | 21:15 |
| torgomatic | we did take a quick poll of the room, though, and most operators were either using v3 or working on it | 21:15 |
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| torgomatic | FWIW | 21:15 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: right | 21:15 |
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| notmyname | so I think changing the default is good, but not as pressing as we may have assumed | 21:16 |
| acoles | if we are having a major version bump we could change v2 default case to v3 | 21:16 |
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| notmyname | true | 21:16 |
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| cschwede | acoles: +1 | 21:17 |
| notmyname | timburke: you had thoughts on this earlier. can you share? | 21:17 |
| joeljwright | Is bumping to v3 really necessary as default? | 21:18 |
| joeljwright | i would make the following point, if we're planning on discovery (still to be debated) then it will happen automatically | 21:18 |
| timburke | mostly just concerns about not having a v3 endpoint available with a default swift install. but if we're doing something smarter wrt detecting v1 params, i'm not as worried | 21:18 |
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| joeljwright | and people using v3 are already specifying it, but bumping to v3 by default might cause unnecessary issues for people using v2 now before it fixes later | 21:19 |
| joeljwright | just a thought | 21:19 |
| notmyname | joeljwright: do you know if v2 requests will work against a v3 endpoint | 21:19 |
| acoles | joeljwright: good points | 21:19 |
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| notmyname | but yeah, that's just the general problem of changing defaults | 21:19 |
| notmyname | I'm still ok with keeping stuff the way it is ;-) | 21:20 |
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| acoles | I also remember in tokyo we said it would be great to have useful debug mode that among other things might tell you which auth version the client has chosen | 21:20 |
| joeljwright | if we can agree to use discovery, then this likely becomes a non-issue | 21:20 |
| joeljwright | and that's a big if :) | 21:20 |
| cschwede | acoles: yep, i’m working on a fix for the debug mode | 21:21 |
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| acoles | cschwede: great! | 21:21 |
| notmyname | how's this: bump the major version with the py26 change. also add a warning that the auth version default is going to change. then later we can actually change it | 21:21 |
| notmyname | cschwede: thanks | 21:21 |
| joeljwright | notmyname: +1 | 21:22 |
| acoles | cschwede: that could be the most useful thing to help troubleshoot folks that get confused with their cli options | 21:22 |
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| acoles | notmyname: ok | 21:22 |
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| notmyname | mattoliverau: timburke: torgomatic: sound good? | 21:22 |
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| torgomatic | SHIP IT | 21:23 |
| notmyname | heh | 21:23 |
| mattoliverau | +1 | 21:23 |
| timburke | works for me | 21:23 |
| notmyname | ok, great | 21:23 |
| notmyname | #agreed bump the major version with the py26 change. also add a warning that the auth version default is going to change. then later we can actually change it | 21:23 |
| notmyname | next up | 21:23 |
| notmyname | #topic ring change patch | 21:23 |
| notmyname | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241571/ | 21:23 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: you ran some tests, right? | 21:24 |
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| torgomatic | notmyname: yeah, but I still want to do some more | 21:24 |
| notmyname | something fuzzy? | 21:24 |
| torgomatic | basically fuzz-tested initial balance | 21:24 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: anything you can leave in gerrit now about current results? | 21:24 |
| torgomatic | probably | 21:24 |
| notmyname | and next test plan? | 21:24 |
| notmyname | thanks | 21:24 |
| notmyname | for everyone else, please run all your rings through it! | 21:24 |
| cschwede | torgomatic: fuzzy means simulated rings, not real ones? | 21:25 |
| torgomatic | next up is to add/remove/change weight a bunch and rebalance things there | 21:25 |
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| torgomatic | cschwede: in this case, I'm randomly generating builders, but using the real swift code | 21:25 |
| cschwede | k | 21:25 |
| cschwede | iirc clayg run also a bunch of tests with real rings? | 21:26 |
| [1]eranrom | Would it mkae sense to add these tests to the repo? | 21:26 |
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| [1]eranrom | e.g. as unit tests | 21:26 |
| notmyname | cschwede: yes, clayg ran about 2800 rings through it from swiftstack | 21:26 |
| torgomatic | I believe that, when he finds a failure, he writes a small unit test to show it and then fixes things | 21:27 |
| notmyname | [1]eranrom: the hard part is figuring out how to do that. include builders in the test dir? | 21:27 |
| cschwede | sounds good! going to run my rings on the patch real soon | 21:27 |
| notmyname | cschwede: great! | 21:27 |
| torgomatic | I wouldn't want to commit giant builder files in git, customer privacy issues notwithstanding | 21:27 |
| notmyname | cschwede: please report back, even if you don't find anything | 21:27 |
| cschwede | sure! | 21:27 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: +1 | 21:27 |
| [1]eranrom | ok. | 21:28 |
| notmyname | cschwede: *anything bad ;-) | 21:28 |
| cschwede | torgomatic: i was wondering if we want to add a ring anonymizer as a tool. that might be useful to debug rings within the community | 21:28 |
| notmyname | hurricanerix: have you had a chance to look at the RAX rings in that patch? | 21:28 |
| hrou | Was kidding around during the summit have a "please help swift by uploading your ring" prompt ; ) | 21:28 |
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| torgomatic | cschwede: might be worth thinking about. my main concern was honestly with the sum of device weights; at least with swiftstack-managed rings, that tells you the drive sizes | 21:29 |
| cschwede | hrou: which would be great, and might be another reason for a ring anonymizer | 21:29 |
| notmyname | ok, so next time someone hires an intern, get them to write an anonymizer ;-) | 21:30 |
| cschwede | torgomatic: that could be anonymized as well - i’ll propose a small hack | 21:30 |
| torgomatic | ok | 21:30 |
| notmyname | I'm guessing hurricanerix isn't here :-( | 21:30 |
| notmyname | anything else on the ring patch? | 21:31 |
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| notmyname | ok, next | 21:31 |
| notmyname | #topic testr patch | 21:31 |
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| notmyname | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/214206/ | 21:31 |
| notmyname | oh, there's dfg_ ;-) | 21:31 |
| hurricanerix | notmyname not yet | 21:31 |
| dfg_ | hey | 21:31 |
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| notmyname | hurricanerix: dfg_: any chance to run your rings through the ring patch yet? | 21:31 |
| hurricanerix | notmyname my calendar got messed up with the time change (didn't update to show the meeting at 3) | 21:32 |
| dfg_ | notmyname: but ya- we haven't looked at it yet but we will. | 21:32 |
| notmyname | hurricanerix: dfg_: ok. if you could do that this week it would be swell | 21:32 |
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| dfg_ | notmyname: ok | 21:32 |
| notmyname | hurricanerix: set it to iceland time ;-) | 21:32 |
| notmyname | or ghanna | 21:32 |
| notmyname | both a GMT+0 with no DST | 21:32 |
| notmyname | ok, testr patch | 21:33 |
| aerwin3 | o/ | 21:33 |
| notmyname | hurricanerix: still a ton of failures in the gate | 21:33 |
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| notmyname | but it all worked locally for me | 21:33 |
| hurricanerix | notmyname me too | 21:33 |
| notmyname | hurricanerix: have you had a chance to look at the gate failures yet? | 21:33 |
| mattoliverau | aerwin3: o/ | 21:33 |
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| notmyname | for everyone, despite gate failures, it's a good idea to run functests locally with patch 214206 so you know what the new UI will look like | 21:34 |
| patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/214206/ - Modify functional tests to use testr | 21:34 |
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| notmyname | since we've got multiple reports of it working in local SAIOs, it should be pretty easy for you to download and run the tests on | 21:35 |
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| hurricanerix | notmyname not really, but looking now it looks like maybe more EC stuff? "Error: Invalid arguments passed to liberasurecode_instance_create" | 21:35 |
| notmyname | hurricanerix: hmm | 21:35 |
| hurricanerix | notmyname but i will try to squeeze in some time to look over it | 21:36 |
| notmyname | hurricanerix: thank you | 21:36 |
| hurricanerix | not sure if it is worth wasting meeting time for. =) | 21:36 |
| notmyname | speaking of "EC" stuff... | 21:36 |
| notmyname | #topic pyeclib status update | 21:36 |
| notmyname | bah. tsg isn't here | 21:36 |
| notmyname | let me find the patch | 21:36 |
| notmyname | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/244287/ | 21:37 |
| notmyname | still blocked on a few upstream things (mostly packaging in distros, it seems) | 21:37 |
| notmyname | so I'm keeping an eye on that (tsg is the one shepherding it through) | 21:37 |
| notmyname | but he's not here, so moving on... | 21:37 |
| notmyname | #topic encryption status | 21:38 |
| notmyname | jrichli: you're up | 21:38 |
| jrichli | thanks | 21:38 |
| jrichli | As you know, crypto was already dependent on COPY as middleware. but work was able to continue by ignoring the copy test failures. | 21:38 |
| jrichli | However at this point, while we wait for COPY as middleware to land, we will be implementing a work-around on the feature/crypto. | 21:38 |
| jrichli | You will see the current keymaster using a fixed key (not use derivation from the fixed root key). That is why. | 21:38 |
| notmyname | so everything in the cluster is encrypted with "foobar" or whatever is the string in the config? | 21:39 |
| jrichli | well, ... close. that will be the same secret used to generate the one key | 21:39 |
| acoles | notmyname: not quite, a single key derived from foobar | 21:39 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:39 |
| jrichli | tdasilva: is there anything we can do to help with COPY? | 21:40 |
| notmyname | is patch 156923 the one? | 21:40 |
| patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/156923/ - Refactor server side copy as middleware | 21:40 |
| jrichli | yup, thx | 21:40 |
| notmyname | it's got a merge conflict currently | 21:40 |
| tdasilva | jrichli: I haven't had a chance to work on it for a while. sorry. I talked to torgomatic and he said he might be able to take a look | 21:41 |
| torgomatic | I've got some stuff going, but it's taking a back seat to the ring fuzz testing | 21:41 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: are you still busy on the other stuff? will you be able to rebase that one? | 21:41 |
| notmyname | if not, can we have a volunteer to do it? | 21:41 |
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| jrichli | tdasilva torgomatic: ok, thx. If there is anything somebody new to the patch could help with, let me know. | 21:42 |
| acoles | if its not done before i'll look at it when i am back next week | 21:42 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: rebase won't really help, should be marked as WIP | 21:42 |
| tdasilva | in it's current state | 21:42 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: ah. what's needed for it? | 21:42 |
| notmyname | do you remember? | 21:42 |
| tdasilva | yeah, we need to provide a common helper method so that both copy and versioning middleware can use | 21:43 |
| tdasilva | that way we can move copy middlware to the left on the pipepline | 21:43 |
| acoles | torgomatic: is that what you were working on ^^? | 21:43 |
| torgomatic | yep | 21:43 |
| acoles | torgomatic: great. thank yu | 21:43 |
| acoles | you | 21:43 |
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| jrichli | there was also mention of removing some remaining copy hooks. is that something that is done after the common helper is created? | 21:44 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: torgomatic: so between the two of you, do you expect to have something not WIP maybe by next week? or when? or should someone else pick it up? | 21:44 |
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| acoles | jrichli: i believe so, then copy can move ahead of slo | 21:45 |
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| jrichli | acoles: oh, thx | 21:45 |
| tdasilva | jrichli: yeah, that is part of it | 21:45 |
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| torgomatic | I mean, competing implementations are fine | 21:45 |
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| torgomatic | you usually get better code that way | 21:45 |
| torgomatic | so if you need it, don't wait around for me just because I claimed to be working on it | 21:46 |
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| notmyname | jrichli: acoles: fortunately, it's not a short-term block on crypto, right? | 21:47 |
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| tdasilva | notmyname: it is also fine by me if someone else picks up | 21:47 |
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| acoles | notmyname: not imho | 21:47 |
| jrichli | not a block, but having just the one key might mask new issues. but its ok | 21:48 |
| notmyname | that's good. but I'm a little worried about not being specific about making progress on it | 21:48 |
| notmyname | something to raise again next week, then | 21:48 |
| jrichli | ok :-) | 21:48 |
| notmyname | #topic next swift release | 21:48 |
| notmyname | last topic (on the agenda) | 21:48 |
| notmyname | we should be thinking about another swift release, so if there are specfic patches that are currently proposed that should land before a release, please raise them | 21:49 |
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| timburke | as usual, i'd love to see reverse listings (patch 120709) | 21:50 |
| patchbot | timburke: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/120709/ - Add container and account reverse listings | 21:50 |
| notmyname | eg EC stuff (including pyeclib), ring update, fast-POST | 21:50 |
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| notmyname | reverse listings ;-) | 21:50 |
| notmyname | concurrent gets | 21:50 |
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| notmyname | there's a *ton* of patches in the "needs one more +2" bucket | 21:50 |
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| notmyname | (and some aren't py3 ;-) | 21:50 |
| mattoliverau | kk, I'll re-familarise myself with both of those, and try and push them along :) | 21:51 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: thanks | 21:51 |
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| notmyname | anyway, I'm not planning on doing a release this week or next, but I wanted to raise it so we can start thinking on it | 21:51 |
| notmyname | #topic open discussion | 21:51 |
| notmyname | anything else to bring up this week? | 21:51 |
| acoles | notmyname: i hope to back on my patches next week | 21:51 |
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| acoles | *be back on | 21:51 |
| joeljwright | notmyname: there was a mention of a list of requirements for the swiftclient docs after tokyo | 21:52 |
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| torgomatic | I'd like feedback on the audit-watchers patch if possible | 21:52 |
| notmyname | acoles: great. sorry you're stuck dealing with the dark edges of society this week | 21:52 |
| torgomatic | not necessarily a full review, just good idea / bad idea / why the hell would you want this | 21:52 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: link? | 21:52 |
| torgomatic | https://review.openstack.org/212824 | 21:52 |
| torgomatic | although a full review is always welcome | 21:52 |
| cschwede | very good idea! | 21:53 |
| wbhuber | notmyname: should we consider updating this doc to remove the Beta section or leaving it as is: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/swift/overview_erasure_code.html | 21:53 |
| notmyname | I can imagine some cool use cases wih it | 21:53 |
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| notmyname | wbhuber: yeah, we should do one of those ;-) | 21:53 |
| wbhuber | notmyname: or modifying it to something like transiting to prod or the sort | 21:53 |
| notmyname | wbhuber: yeah, that's probably more accurate | 21:53 |
| wbhuber | notmyname: ok, i'll tackle that 1 | 21:53 |
| acoles | torgomatic: is that what you described to me in austin? sounded cool to me | 21:53 |
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| torgomatic | acoles: could be? I can't remember. | 21:54 |
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| acoles | torgomatic: looks like it is :) | 21:54 |
| notmyname | joeljwright: I'm working on the swiftclient docs. I started writing something down a day or two ago. making (slow) progress, but once the first pass is done it should allow faster community collaboration | 21:54 |
| torgomatic | hooray :) | 21:54 |
| tdasilva | wbhuber: also probably needs to change mentions of jerausure in that doc | 21:54 |
| joeljwright | cool | 21:55 |
| wbhuber | tdasilva: noted | 21:55 |
| joeljwright | I'm going to continue working on my docs patch | 21:55 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: wbhuber: yeah, especially after the pyeclib changes. actually I think tsg updated the docs in his patch | 21:55 |
| notmyname | joeljwright: good! | 21:55 |
| joeljwright | hoping to make it fit at least one section on what you some up with | 21:55 |
| notmyname | anything else from anyone? | 21:56 |
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| notmyname | ok, let's call it then (call it done) | 21:57 |
| notmyname | thanks for coming. thanks for your work on swift | 21:57 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 21:57 |
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| jrichli | :-) | 21:57 |
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| mattoliverau | Has the meeting bot crashed? | 21:58 |
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| jrichli | interesting | 21:59 |
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| torgomatic | #endmeeting | 21:59 |
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| torgomatic | hooray software | 21:59 |
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| mattoliverau | openstack bot crashed just after the swiftclient topic, then came back in, but must be in a confused state | 22:01 |
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| notmyname | oh, weird | 22:01 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: thanks | 22:01 |
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| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 22:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 18 22:03:52 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 22:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 22:03 |
| notmyname | testing | 22:04 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 22:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "swiftclient (Meeting topic: swift)" | 22:04 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 18 22:04:10 2015 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:04 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-11-18-22.03.html | 22:04 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-11-18-22.03.txt | 22:04 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2015/swift.2015-11-18-22.03.log.html | 22:04 |
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| mattoliverau | there we go | 22:05 |
| mattoliverau | but will have the use channel log maybe | 22:05 |
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