Wednesday, 2015-12-09

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loquacitieshi everyone00:26
loquacitiesjust in case anyone is lurking here waiting for the docs APAC meeting00:26
loquacitiesdue to mass confusion on my part, and the fact that most (if not all) of the australians are away this week, i'm going to cancel today's meeting00:27
loquacitiessorry for the late notice00:27
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dewsdayloquacities, we're all sitting here?00:29
dewsdayWe're happy to join.00:29
loquacitiesyeah, but i haven't done the agenda or anything00:30
dewsdayTHAT'S the real issue :p00:30
loquacitiesi'm just correcting the record on the mailing list00:30
dewsdayAh got it :)00:30
loquacitiesyeah, i'm totally unprepared00:30
loquacitiesso therefore blaming you guys ;)00:30
dewsdayWe could talk about how great we all are for a bit?00:30
loquacitieshow is sydneyy, by the way?00:30
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JRobinson__Reposting from the docs channel:00:30
JRobinson__<JRobinson__> I had one item for the meeting that I might drop into channel now00:30
JRobinson__ <JRobinson__> The User Guide Spec needs Core attention
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dewsdayYou know, Sydney-esque. There's people, they stare at you weirdly00:30
dewsdayWe drink the coffee00:30
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dewsdayMikal makes weird jokes00:30
dewsdayThe norm00:30
dewsdayHow was grad?00:30
loquacitiessounds about normal00:30
loquacitiesgrad was kinda fun00:31
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loquacitiesT won the environmental award :)00:31
dewsdayAww :)00:31
dewsdayOH! That's great :D00:31
loquacitiesyeah, she was stoked :)00:31
loquacitiesall the academic awards that were given out got a $30 dymocks gift card, but T's award came with a $100 prepaid mastercard00:31
loquacitieson the way home she's just dancing and singing "i'm going shopping! i'm going shopping!"00:32
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itzdiliphow should be the multi pool is handled in driver?  preconfigured with set of pools or creating on fly?03:33
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skraynev#startmeeting Heat07:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Dec  9 07:00:18 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is skraynev. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.07:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'heat'07:00
skraynev#topic rollcall07:00
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skraynevshardy, therve, pas-ha07:02
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skraynev#topic Adding items to agenda07:03
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skraynevI hope, that other guys will join later ;) or will read logs :)07:04
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skraynevDo we have any extra topics for discussion?07:04
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ricolinthe external resource07:04
ricolinneed to have more review comment on it07:05
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skraynev#topic Review priorities07:06
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skraynevshardy: hi07:09
shardyhey skraynev, sorry I'm late07:09
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skraynevshardy: np, you are not the alone in it ;)07:10
shardyRe review priorities, I wanted to highlight
skraynevramishra: I have removed SubnetPool from review list etherpad07:11
shardythat's for update restrict, a spec we merged in kilo and ramishra_ is now working on07:11
skraynevI suppose, it's really close to be merged07:11
ramishra_skraynev: sure07:11
shardyzaneb has now voiced some concerns on the (already merged) spec
shardyMore views on that would be good07:12
shardypersonally I think it's very bad that we're now blocking a spec which took *7 months* to land07:12
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shardyit's a strong demotivator for folks to bother at all with specs if they take months to land and aren't reviewed my many cores (who may then block the implementation)07:13
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ricolinWe do have discussion about move these specs to other folder07:14
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skraynevshardy: agree, but may be also case, when some spec already obsolete due to some new changes..07:15
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shardyskraynev: sure, but that isn't the case here, some folks just didn't review it and now don't like the interfaces07:15
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shardyskraynev: perhaps we need a process (as ricolin is referring to) that enables us to remove obsolete specs, and maintain those which remain valid07:16
skraynevricolin: move all incomplete. I remember about it and sent mail with plan of this work. I hope, that will do it during this week07:16
ricolinskraynev: sure07:16
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shardyskraynev: to clarify, was the decision to move all incomplete ones into specs/mitaka07:17
ricolinskraynev: I agree we need to clean the obsloete specs07:17
skraynevshardy: hm. do you mean some regular process? like 1 meeting in months or rare, and re-review some old specs...07:18
ramishra_shardy:  I assume the alternative suggested is to make update-preview more robust, right? The user should know what he/she is doing?07:18
shardyramishra_: well update preview doesn't really work at all atm, I'm working on fixing it07:18
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shardyit doesn't work for anything involving nested stacks, or any replacements associated with changes of resource type07:18
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skraynevshardy: something similar more details here:
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shardyskraynev: thanks - so we can probably drop all obsolete specs as part of the "move all not implemented" patch?07:20
shardye.g work that out via the review07:20
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shardyand then perhaps review all obsolete specs after feature freeze each release07:20
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shardyor, whenever someone notices something is no longer valid, they can propose a patch to remove the spec07:21
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ramishra_shardy: yeah, I saw you raised some bugs on that, but wanted to know if that's the suggestion. or there is more to it?07:21
shardyramishra_: I need to discuss with zaneb but AFAICT yes, the suggestion is force the users to always implement an external to heat workflow around stack update --dry-run07:22
skraynevshardy: I prefer one common scope for all specs. Btw ... Need to think how better mark them as not implemented07:22
ricolincommon scope+107:22
skraynevshrady: about total removing - I think ,that the right way - update it with HUGE topic - it was "removed" due to.07:22
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pas-hacheck out how Ironic specs repo is layed out, they have "backlog" folder07:23
skraynevshrady: so if someone take a look on it, he will see, the original spec with this mark07:23
pas-halike ideas that are not going to be worked on right now07:23
skraynevpas-ha: ok. thx.07:23
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skraynevpas-ha, shardy: could you leave comments and your suggestions in mail thread mentioned above07:24
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pas-haok, will do07:24
skraynevI will combine them and then upload patches for spec repo.07:24
skraynevok. let' got to the next07:24
shardyskraynev: the linked blueprint should show the implementation status07:25
shardyramishra_: which is fine, but it's not at all what the spec proposed, and it's not declaring immutability as a property of the resource in the heat model07:25
shardyskraynev: one possibility would be to have all incomplete specs in heat/specs/foo.rst, then move them into specs/mitaka when they are complete07:25
shardythen we'd have a pool of incomplete specs not linked to a release, but maintain an easy place for folks to look and see what was implemented for a particular release07:25
pas-habtw, there's an effort to ditch LP blueprints completely and replace it with RFE "Wishlist" bugs07:26
skraynev#topic: Reno notes07:26
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shardypas-ha: interesting - some folks will find that odd, given that "wishlist" has traditionally meant "super low priority"07:26
ricolinmostly complete07:26
ricolinonly this one left
pas-hashardy, that's to replace blueprints, a usual spec is still required. and tagging with "rfe" helps sort these out07:27
shardypas-ha: ack, makes sense I guess07:28
ramishra_pas-ha: specs are useful for new features, irrespective of their priority. Though you can put all the details in the bug description.07:28
pas-haneutron has a page how this process works for them. a bit too fornalized to my taste, we can work out something more relaxed for us07:29
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skraynevI wanted to ask all contributers to add notes for new features in Reno07:31
skraynevthe process is described here: ^07:31
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skraynevso if you have a some really important bug fix, feature, etc - please add notes in the same or follow patch07:32
pas-hamore of a suggestion for cores - when you see something falling to these ^^ w/o reno note - do not merge it07:32
shardypas-ha: personally I'm starting to think something very lightweight for features is a good idea, as quite often specs stall in review for months, until there is code to discuss07:32
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pas-hagerrit is still a better place for discussion that LP. but I do agree code speaks for itself most of the time07:33
pas-haso I am strongly against denying reviews until spec is merged07:34
skraynevpas-ha: I'd thought, that specs also need for users...07:34
pas-hasure, to document the implementation details for wider audience07:34
skraynevpas-ha: +2 for both.07:35
pas-haand that's why it is important to make update patches to existing specs when implementation diverged07:35
skraynevdoes anybody have some question about Reno ?07:35
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shardypas-ha: +1 - I'm just feeling pretty negative re the specs process atm, as it can eat a *lot* of time, and not reach conclusion if cores can't agree (or even if one person doesn't like the idea)07:35
shardyanyway, not a discussion for now, I may start a "is our spec process broken" ML thread ;)07:36
skraynevas I understand it will be necessarily from M2 ... so will be good to start try it right now :)07:36
ramishra_+1, and also reviewers expect pseudo code in the spec;)07:37
skraynevshardy: +1. yeah. and then we will add notes about new process to wiki :)07:37
pas-haramishra_, so true :)07:37
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pas-haand Python *is* almost pseudo-code07:37
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shardyramishra_: +1, that's why I think less detail is probably better07:38
skraynevok. last reminder about Reno, I will start add -1 if will be sure, that note needs for some patch.07:38
skraynev#topic Applying new tags for project07:39
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skraynevI just got mail from ttx about new tags, which I forgot to add :)07:39
skraynevso wanted to get confirm from you guys about it07:40
skraynevthis two tags, as I understand Heat already follow requirement in tag's descriptions, so we may apply both07:41
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skraynevone more about rolling updates07:41
skraynevI am not sure, that we has it in Heat ^07:41
skraynevso your thoughts ?07:41
pas-hafirst two IMO we definitely comply07:42
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pas-hathird (rolling) imo too - can we already talk to old DB and old engines?07:43
shardypas-ha: we don't document the dance with RPC pins etc like nova does though07:43
pas-hawhat's the status of nova-style objects work07:43
ttxIf you need clarification on what that entails, you can ask dansmith07:43
shardypas-ha: also, it's completely un-tested07:43
pas-hayeah, that's enother issue07:43
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pas-haand I am not even sure if it is possible to test on gates07:44
shardyso IMO we can't assert the tag until it's tested (like nova) in CI07:44
shardythe versioned objects part of the DB problably works, but I'm less sure about the RPC part07:44
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skraynevttx: ok. sure :) p.s. thx for reminder, I had plan to add deprecation tag in my long TODO list, but it was not close for starting ;)07:45
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pas-hacan grenade be configured to make a three step upgrade? test->API->test->engine->test->DB->test07:45
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skraynevshardy: do you talk about rolling updates or upgrades? Also as I understand you agree with deprecation07:46
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skraynevpas-ha: hm. I am not sure, that we have some already existing examples of such process...07:47
skraynevpas-ha: but we may be a explorers07:47
shardyskraynev: the one I'm not sure about is the full rolling upgrade capability like nova has07:47
pas-hawell, that's what ops in a big enough (or any) productino would do AFAIU07:47
skraynevand try to write these bash scripts07:47
shardyI don't think we can do that, when you have mismatched DB and RPC versions, with API and engine services on different boxes07:48
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pas-hathan we need to fix it :)07:48
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shardypas-ha: all services except nova need to fix it ;)07:48
skraynevshardy: lol. it's true07:49
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skraynevshardy: also swift has such abilities07:49
skraynevaccording documentation07:49
shardyskraynev: interesting, thanks07:50
skraynevpas-ha: about simple supports-upgrade tag : do you agree ?07:50
ramishra_did we implement versioned objects completely? other day I saw number of unused exceptions merged as part of the first patch for that blueprint and still unused.07:50
pas-haskraynev, I do07:50
skraynevor it's the same situation like for rolling upgrade?07:50
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pas-hawe have grenade job running and voting07:51
skraynevok. so I will add two tags for Heat07:51
skraynev10 mins left07:51
skraynev#topic fixing heat-templates dsvm gate07:51
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pas-haand have lots of dance around deprecated stuff07:51
pas-hathis is short one07:51
skraynevpas-ha: As I see you added link on related patches for priority review list07:52
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pas-haone is alomost ready (-2 on weird pep8 error in.egg ?!)07:52
skraynevand looks like one patch require fix for pep8 job07:52
pas-hasecond one is in project-config - please weigh in07:52
pas-hathat's all for now, the fate of the third patch is still discussed :)07:52
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skraynevpas-ha: so the second patch means using post-hook placed in heat=-templates repo, right?07:53
skraynevpas-ha: ok. got it will review07:53
pas-hafirst one creates it, second one starts to actually use it07:53
skraynev#topic: move Heat to devstack plugin?07:54
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pas-hathis is again about more control :)07:54
pas-hasince Heat is no longer installed by default in DevStack07:54
pas-haI think we can consider moving to be a devstack plugin07:54
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pas-haall the code for devstack integration would live in our repo - moar control for us :)07:55
skraynevpas-ha: do you want to do it or we need volunteers ?07:55
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skraynevpas-ha: p.s. I agree with this idea07:56
pas-hafirst probably a vote in ML if people agree to that07:56
pas-haI might volunteer myself :)07:56
skraynevpas-ha: ok. just send it and I will +1 :)07:56
skraynevpas-ha: awesome07:56
pas-haok, cool, will take on it07:57
skraynev#topic: Support Conditions07:57
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skraynevit's from previous meeting...07:57
shardyRe devstack, if we do move it, can we please ensure lands first07:57
shardyalso, reviews of that would be good :)07:57
skraynevshardy: sure. thx07:58
shardyIt fixes our heat.conf to include a trustee and clients_keystone section07:58
rpothierthere is WIP code for conditions also
skraynevabout support conditions - I probably will send mail... need to get more opinions07:58
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pas-hashardy, sure07:59
skraynevrpothier: ok. thx07:59
pas-hatime's up08:00
skraynevlet's continue in the #heat08:00
shardyrpothier: thanks, looks like that's only for CFN templates, is there a spec for native conditionals?08:00
shardyout of time..08:00
shardy-> #heat08:00
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BobBalljohnthetubaguy: Pingity ping?09:30
BobBall#startmeeting XenAPI09:31
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BobBallMorning all - agenda at
BobBallWho have we got in this morning?09:31
huanxiemorning all09:31
huazhihaoMorning bobball, johnthetubaguy09:32
BobBallyay - full house for who I was expecting :)#09:32
BobBall#topic Blueprints / Reviews09:32
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BobBallBlueprints are easy.  Since the vGPU blueprint was abandoned we're only on reviews09:32
BobBallbut we have a lot of them at the moment.09:33
BobBallmost important one I guess is from you huanxie - the VIF bugfix?09:33
BobBallWhat's the status of that?09:33
huanxieI have finished coding and tested localing, have pushed in gerrit for code review09:34
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BobBallhas anyone on the subteam reviewed it yet?09:34
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BobBallI don't think I have have I?09:34
huanxieNo, currently09:34
BobBallawesome - ok - so I've added it to the list at as one that the subteam need to review09:35
BobBallI've also moved the nova/neutron race and OVS port bugs to that second list now09:35
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BobBallas they will need to be rebased on the VIF fix09:36
johnthetubaguywas there talk of a neutron based CI?09:36
BobBallWe still have 6 reviews waiting for core though - one just needs a second +2
huanxieYes, we have other changes will rebase on that fix09:36
BobBallYes johnthetubaguy - we'll be setting up an internal CI in the next few weeks followed by an external CI once we've got the required changes landed.09:36
johnthetubaguyBobBall: cools09:36
BobBallCan't have an external CI before they have all landed as the failure rate would be way too high09:37
BobBallso huazhihao and BobBall need to review
BobBalljianghuaw too - but he's not here today :)09:37
BobBalljohnthetubaguy: are blueprints now sorted?  i.e. can we start bugging you about getting some of these bugfixes reviewed to unblock other work? :)09:38
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johnthetubaguyjust make sure its in the etherpad09:38
johnthetubaguyI hope to get to that soon09:38
BobBallI think there are 3 changes which all modify the plugins and therefore change the plugin version which is having fun conflicts09:38
johnthetubaguystill going through exceptions though09:39
johnthetubaguysounds like it might be worth stacking those in a priority order09:39
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* BobBall thinks the etherpad should be dynamicly ordered so if it's actually used then changes nearer the bottom don't get ignored :)09:40
BobBall#topic Bugs & QA09:40
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BobBallActually we've talked mostly about them - I haven't seen new bugs coming in09:41
BobBalljohnthetubaguy: Did we talk about in a previous meeting?09:41
openstackLaunchpad bug 1204631 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Image created from boot from iso missing min_ram and min_disk" [Low,Fix released]09:41
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BobBallyes we did09:42
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BobBallI just didn't remove it from the agenda - my bad09:42
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BobBall#topic Open Discussion09:42
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BobBallSo - is there anything else we should cover in today's meeting?09:42
huazhihaoI have one blueprint under approval09:43
BobBallAh great point huazhihao09:43
BobBallCan you give us a link?09:43
BobBallNeeds more info09:44
BobBallSee my -1 on your change at
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huazhihaoAh sorry09:44
BobBalljohnthetubaguy: This is a blueprint we'd like approved as a specless blueprint FYU09:44
johnthetubaguyhas it been submitted yet?09:45
BobBallWhat sort of details do you normally want to see on the blueprint?09:45
johnthetubaguybecause we are past the blueprint freeze date now09:45
BobBallDoes that still apply to specless blueprints?09:45
huanxieBobBall: I also have a BP for neutron security group
johnthetubaguyapplies to all blueprints and specs, priority or non-priority09:45
BobBallAh.  Let's talk about them one by one then09:46
johnthetubaguyso specless blueprints need submitting for approval still, seems like that has note been done yet?
BobBallbare VHD image is about XenServer being able to download + use a VHD file that was uploaded without a tgz container - do you believe this requires a blueprint09:46
johnthetubaguyyes, needs a blueprint09:47
johnthetubaguyits a feature09:47
BobBallWhat about security groups being broken on XenAPI with Neutron (due to a missing bridge which libvirt creates but xenapi does not) - can that be classified as a bug?09:48
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johnthetubaguyyeah, maybe09:49
johnthetubaguyits a feature really though09:49
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BobBallThe latter is more important than the former as it will block us getting a Neutron CI working until it's merged09:50
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johnthetubaguyyep, seems worth trying as a bug09:50
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BobBallso waiting until N for the neutron bugfix will be very painful09:50
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BobBallIs there something we can do specifically to help convince you / others that it should be classified as a bug?09:51
johnthetubaguyunsure really, it generally depends on the patch09:51
johnthetubaguyif its little, it should slip in09:51
johnthetubaguyreno notes can cover the adding of that09:51
BobBall is the change - almost all of it in vif.py09:52
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johnthetubaguyOK, I mean add the bug, and see how it goes I guess09:53
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BobBallhuanxie: Can you remove the blueprint and re-write the commit message to be based on a bug.  I think there is a bug already, but if not, raise one based on the tempest results from running the Neutron CI tests09:53
huanxieOK, I will raise a bug and change the commit message09:54
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BobBallGreat, thanks.09:54
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BobBallI think we need to push for the VIF + Neutron fixes above the support for bare VHDs even though bare VHDs are also pretty important09:55
BobBallOK - anything else we should talk about?09:55
huazhihaoThat is all from me.09:56
BobBallGreat - well let's close the meeting there then09:56
BobBallThanks all!09:56
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huazhihaoThanks bobball johnthetubeguy09:57
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huazhihaosorry johnthetubaguy09:57
huanxiethanks all:)09:57
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joehuanghi zhipeng13:02
zhipenghi joehuang13:02
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zhipengis zhiyuan here?13:02
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joehuangwait a moment13:03
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joehuanghi zhiyuan13:03
zhiyuan_hi joe13:03
joehuang#startmeeting tricircle13:03
openstackMeeting started Wed Dec  9 13:03:45 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is joehuang. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.13:03
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'tricircle'13:03
joehuanglet's start the weekly meeting13:04
zhipeng#info zhipeng13:04
joehuang#topic rollcall13:04
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joehuang#info joehuang13:04
zhipeng#info zhipeng13:04
zhiyuan_#info zhiyuan13:04
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joehuang#topic todo list13:04
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joehuanglet's have a look on the todo list13:06
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joehuangthe table for routing information needs to update13:07
joehuangas the top layer may manage a lot of bottom openstack instances13:07
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joehuangthe routing table will have millions of records13:07
joehuangit'll grow into very very big13:08
zhiyuan_yes, I have added "resource_type" and “project_id” fields to the routing table, will submit this along with the Neutron plugin patch13:08
joehuangtherefore, we need to split the table into several smaller tables, like vm routing table, volume routing table, port routing table..13:08
joehuang#action divide the routing table to smaller ones, specific to resource type and project13:09
zhiyuan_bp for stateless architecture has been registered.13:09
joehuanghi zhiyuan, could you have some words about your progress in phase 113:09
zhipengjoehuang is it possible for bottom openstacks to handle the table, and top just querry it every time an operation on certain bottom is required ?13:10
zhipengi think if you split the table, they could still get very big13:11
zhipengand instead of one big table, you got three big tables13:11
joehuangrouting table is just to be used for forwarding purpose, it's necessary13:11
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joehuangno routing table, each time you have to broadcast the vm operation or volume operation13:11
joehuangfor example, reboot vm13:12
zhiyuan_ok, (1) the init patch for stateless architecture and patch for new tables have been merged. (2) bp for stateless architecture has been registered. (3) now I am working on the Neutron plugin13:12
zhipengif we do not store the whole table in top, but only references, and keep the table at the bottom13:12
zhipengwould that work?13:12
joehuangthe request has to be broadcast to all bottom openstack because the top doesn;t know where it is13:12
joehuangthat's the idea13:13
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zhipengzhiyuan_ the neutron plugin is for PoC ?13:14
zhipengjoehuang ok13:14
joehuangzhiyuan has done great job for these patches13:14
joehuangfrom my side, the nova-apigw, and cinder-apigw has been submitted and get merged today13:15
joehuangand the XJob is WIP13:15
zhipengzhiyuan_ we need to register a rfe for networking-tricircle, right ?13:16
zhiyuan_IPAM needs to be done on top layer, so we are going to keep Neutron service to utilize the original IPAM process, but write our own core plugin13:16
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zhiyuan_so we can do extra operation like building routing table in our own core plugin13:17
joehuangdon't know the current requirements to register a plugin in neutron13:17
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zhipengi've sent out emails to ask about this13:17
zhipengbut no reply yet13:17
zhipengon the right procedure13:17
joehuangok, zhipeng please investigate how to do that13:17
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joehuang#action how to add a new plugin to neutron13:18
zhiyuan_what we did in the master branch is that we put the plugin in our own repos, and write our own DevStack plugin to install the plugin to Neutron13:18
zhiyuan_Neutron allows us to change core plugin13:18
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zhiyuan_currently I follow this way13:19
joehuangis it possible for us to have a work basis for phase one by the end of next week13:19
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joehuangI think the way we use in master branch works recently, especially for experiment branch13:20
zhiyuan_I think my patch for core plugin can be submitted by the end of this week, so it's possible to finish phase 1 by the end of next week13:20
joehuanggreat, let's try to finish a solid basis of phase 1 by the end of next week13:21
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zhiyuan_ok, we can check the progress in the next meeting13:21
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zhipengbtw I added some info about how kubenetes is doing federation now13:22
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zhipengquite similar to our stateless approach13:22
joehuangin the design doc ?13:22
zhipengyes at the end of it13:22
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joehuangI think it would be the similar idea to build a large system13:23
zhipengit is still wip for k8s13:23
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joehuanghow about tacker13:23
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joehuangI think we can discuss with tacker that they can leverage the tricircle for multi-vim13:23
zhipengyes i think that is a great collaboration point13:24
zhipengi will wait for their reply13:24
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joehuangat least for the logical concept the tacker can see should includes AZ and Region13:24
zhipengyes, and we need to persuade them to utilize tricircle more13:25
joehuangthe VNF needs to be aware of AZ13:25
joehuangwhere the application is deployed13:25
zhipenginstead of build similar solutions13:25
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zhipenganyways check out the k8s solution see anything would benefit us :)13:27
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joehuang_can you input any information13:29
zhipengi added a new section at the end of the design doc13:30
joehuang_the chat exit suddenly13:30
zhipengokey no problem, i didn't say much :)13:30
joehuang_ok, let's conclude today's meeting13:30
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joehuang_it doesn't work now13:31
zhipengsince your irc handle has been changed13:31
zhipengyou need to be joehuang to end the meeting13:32
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zhiyuan_good, bye and good night13:33
zhipengbye bye13:34
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ZaraI forgot to hold the storyboard meeting this week!15:42
Zaratoo late to start in this channel now, but if people have questions or things they want to discuss, #storyboard is open for business as usual15:42
Zarabtw, the great netsplit of 2015 seems to have affected meetbot?15:43
Zarasince it says the meeting topic is Open Discussion for storyboard15:43
Zarathat was the topic we'd arrived at when the netsplit happened15:43
persiatry ending the meeting?15:43
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Zaraworth a shot. I tried at the time15:44
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Zaradidn't work. I think SotK succeeded in ending it, but on a different server15:44
Zarawe might need him to end it again, since he started it15:44
ZaraI really hope this doesn't mean we have a week-long log15:44
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Zarahm, nope, it's logged as ending when he ended it15:46
Zaraseems storyboard is the default discussion; suits us!15:46
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smcginnisStill says it's on storyboard. Hopefully we can start our meeting.15:58
smcginnis#startmeeting Cinder15:59
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openstackMeeting started Wed Dec  9 15:59:01 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:59
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'cinder'15:59
smcginnisHey everyone.15:59
ntpttrhello o/15:59
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smcginnisCourtesy ping: duncant eharney geguileo winston-d e0ne jungleboyj jgriffith thingee smcginnis hemna xyang tbarron15:59
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jungleboyjYou are early.  ;-)15:59
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smcginnisjungleboyj: I'll delay.16:00
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smcginnisjungleboyj: OK, not it's time. :)16:00
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smcginnis#topic Release Status16:00
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smcginnis#info M-1 went out last week16:00
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smcginnisWe're making some progress on specs. Would be great to get a few more of those through.16:01
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smcginnisPlease add any details to that etherpad to help bring attention to specs.16:01
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smcginnisCIs are continuing to be less than ideal. I've pinged a few folks for the big ones.16:02
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smcginnisIf everyone could take a look at the last weeks results there and check your CI, we really need to get a little more consistent results there.16:03
jgriffithsmcginnis: +116:03
smcginnis#info Bug stats: cinder: 474, cinderclient: 46, os-brick: 1216:03
jungleboyjsmcginnis: +1 ... been pinging people internally.16:03
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smcginnisThanks to those spending some time on bug management.16:04
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smcginnisI've noticed a few folks taking care of things there.16:04
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smcginnisMy assumption is still that a lot of them are already fixed, just either not updated automatically when it merged, or fixed separately.16:04
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smcginnisAnd the usual reminder - Nova volume bugs can always use our help:16:05
smcginnis#topic Reno Release Notes16:05
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smcginnisThis is just to raise awareness.16:05
smcginnisProjects are switching over to using reno for capturing release notes.16:05
smcginnisIt's a new thing we should watch for in reviews.16:06
smcginnisOr submit as follow up patches if needed.16:06
smcginnisI added some notes about it to our wiki.16:06
smcginnisBut basically, any time a new feature, major bug fix, new driver, etc. get added, it should include a release note so that is captured.16:06
bswartzsmcginnis: is it settled that reno note updates can go into a separate patch?16:06
bswartzsmcginnis: I thought some people still argued for the same patch (to make backporting suck less)16:07
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smcginnisbswartz: I think I would prefer them to be with the patch making the change, but it can still be added after the fact if it is missed.16:07
smcginnisbswartz: Backporting is a good point.16:07
xyang1bswartz: backport new feature?16:07
bswartzokay there is an active ML discussion on that topic16:07
geguileosmcginnis: +116:07
smcginnisIt would be kind of annoying to have to do two backports.16:07
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smcginnisI think s^H^H^Htuff happens, so I'm sure regardless of policy we will have to add release notes separately.16:08
smcginnisBut it definitely would be better to have it with the code change.16:08
e0nexyang1: sometime it's helpful to get a list of critical bugs in release notes16:09
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xyang1e0ne: right, makes sense for bug fixes16:09
smcginnise0ne: Yeah, knowing something has been fixed could really help operators I think.16:09
e0nesmcginnis: +116:09
smcginnis#info Reviewers watch for inclusion of release notes in reviews16:10
smcginnis#info Code submitters make sure to add release notes when needed.16:10
jungleboyjsmcginnis: Is it a -1 if they aren't included or not?16:10
erlonsmcginnis: is there any specific format or tag for the message?16:10
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geguileosmcginnis: So only bugs that are marked as critical must contain release notes, right?16:10
smcginnisAnd I'm sure we'll have some gray areas where there's some debate as to whether something is RN worthy or not.16:10
smcginnisjungleboyj: Yeah, probably.16:10
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smcginniserlon: There is a format that gets generated when you run the reno command.16:11
e0neerlon: IMO, DocImpact flag is a good candidate to have a release notes16:11
smcginnisJust follow that format. I'm sure after a while we'll all get used to it.16:11
erlone0ne: +116:11
smcginnisgeguileo: I think definitely critical, but could also be other significant bugs.16:11
smcginnise0ne: Yes, good point.16:11
smcginnisAgain. ;)16:11
e0neNOTE: I didn't say each DocImpact changes requires a release notes change16:12
geguileoSo not limited to those, good to know16:12
smcginnisOne note of warning for new users of reno.16:12
smcginnisYou need to commit the new release note before running tox to verify it.16:12
dulekIMO in general it's better to have to many RN than not enough. :)16:12
smcginnisIt will not run against uncommited release notes.16:12
smcginnisA little confusing the first time I did it.16:12
smcginnisdulek: +116:13
smcginnisMoving on...16:13
jungleboyjIf they have the release notes do we still need the DocImpact flag.  I am thinking yes but just want to document that.16:13
smcginnisjungleboyj: I think so.16:13
smcginnisDocImpact should end up in, release notes are a shorter list of changes.16:13
e0nejungleboyj: +1 on DocImpact16:13
jungleboyjsmcginnis: e0ne That was my thought.  Thanks for confirming.16:14
dulek^ general guidelines from dhellmann16:14
smcginnis#topic Backend behaviour re snapshots16:14
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scottdaThis is a lot of info about Reno/release notes. Should this go on the Cinder wiki somewhere?16:14
smcginnisscottda: I did add a little there.16:14
smcginnisscottda: It's very light though.16:14
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smcginnisFeel free to expand on what I put there.16:14
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smcginnisOh, side note on that - for the new driver section I added reno information and py3 unit test info.16:15
DuncanTsmcginnis: Sorry, I didn't sign this one on the agenda. More just pulling something in from the mailing list to get some answers quickly16:15
smcginnisI think as we're switching over to py3 compat, we should make sure new drivers are compatible so we don't have to go back and fix them.16:15
smcginnisDuncanT: Oh good, wasn't sure who did that.16:15
smcginnisDuncanT: The floor is yours...16:15
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DuncanTSo there's a mail on the mailing list once again asking about dependent snapshots16:16
DuncanTAmong things asking about whether extend volume breaks a snapshot16:16
DuncanTI think it would be worth writing down what are snap rules are, and pushing some tempest tests to check that they are actually being followed16:17
DuncanTAnybody think this is a bad idea?16:17
dulekDuncanT: +1, great idea to have it formalized and tested.16:17
DuncanT(e.g. we recently found VSA on kilo is different to LVM - I think it is not fixed)16:17
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tbarronIt's a good idea.  I'm actually somewhat confused on this subject.16:18
DuncanTThis is probably going to result in driver bugs - are people prepared to work on the bugs if filed?16:18
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smcginnistbarron: Me too. What are the snap rules?16:18
e0neDuncanT: +1, especially for tests16:18
smcginnisMy guess is different backends have different restrictions.16:18
smcginnisProbably a good reason to get this written down.16:18
jungleboyjsmcginnis: +116:19
mtaninoDuncanT: +116:19
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DuncanTsmcginnis: Indeed, at one people we said they have to copy the reference behaviour by hook or crook, but that seems to have faded16:19
e0neit's confusing that different drivers have different snapshots implementation16:19
smcginnisDuncanT: much to jgriffith dismay. ;)16:19
flip214DuncanT: I know that the DRBD driver currently won't like removing a volume if it still has snapshots.16:19
DuncanTI think if I push a tempest test then push an empty cinder change that has a depends-on tag then the new test will run against CI16:20
kmartinDuncanT, you have a bug for the VSA issue in Kilo? if so please send PM me with the id16:20
flip214should the driver just return an error in that case?16:20
bswartz+1 for enforcing snapshot semantics with tempest tests16:20
flip214we plan to support that, but it'll take a some time.16:20
smcginnisI think at least with snapshots though, it's just the unfortunate reality that snapshotting is different. :/16:20
jgriffithanybody have a link to the ML post?16:20
jgriffithnever mind.. .found it16:20
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DuncanTflip214: I think that matches LVM, if it doesn't then returning a driver error is not acceptable IMO16:20
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flip214so, would that suddenly make the driver invalid?16:21
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DuncanTflip214:  It would be a bug16:21
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smcginnisI'm still a little unclear here. Are we saying we should not allow extending a volume with snapshots?16:22
DuncanTsmcginnis: I'm saying we need an answer to that question16:22
e0necan we do in the same it like a deprecation policy: file a bug in M and remove driver in N if it won't be fixed?16:22
DuncanTe0ne: I'm going for 'file bugs and chase people' initially16:22
smcginnise0ne: I think first we need to identify what needs to be "fixed".16:22
flip214sorry, I'm confused. wasn't the ML post about removing a volume that still has snapshots? was it about extending?16:22
patrickeastseems like creating the tempest test(s) might be a good start to see how much impact (read: how many drivers are broken) and we could evaluate whether or not to enforce the rules16:23
smcginnisI really don't understand yet.16:23
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e0nesmcginnis: sure16:23
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DuncanTflip214: Both I think. And any other unclear semantics16:23
smcginnisflip214: They mention extending as being a different constraint than deleting.16:23
smcginnisflip214: But to me the main point was deleting.16:23
xyangsmcginnis: sounds like the email wants the behavior to be the same for delete and extend16:24
smcginnisxyang: Yeah, that's my take.16:24
smcginnisBut I know some arrays can't delete a volume that has snapshots.16:24
e0nelvm can't do it16:24
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DuncanTI think the behaviour should start at 'whatever working in LVM' - that's the point of a reference implementation IMO16:24
smcginnisAnd preventing extending a volume just because there are snapshots sounds like a poor user experience IMO.16:24
eharneyallowing deleting a volume that has snapshots breaks the Cinder model of what volumes and snapshots are16:24
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xyangsmcginnis: yes, we have dependencies in db too16:24
eharneysnapshots are children of volumes, that's part of the concept16:25
e0neeharney: +116:25
smcginniseharney: +116:25
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xyangeharney: +116:25
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geguileoeharney: +116:25
smcginnisMy opinion, FWIW, these are two different concepts, so I don't see the need to enforce commonality between them.16:25
mtaninoeharney: +116:26
eharneyi agree, the idea that the behavior needs to be the same doesn't make sense to me16:26
erlonsmcginnis: +116:26
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smcginnisDuncanT: Showing my LVM ignorance again - what is the behavior there?16:26
xyangsmcginnis: maybe she was saying the metadata changed after extend, but the old snapshot cannot use the new metadata?16:26
DuncanTI think what is being said here is 'our array needs these behaviours to be the same' - not a good argument16:26
DuncanTsmcginnis: I need to test carefully16:27
eharneyiirc LVM allows extending when snapshots exist16:27
DuncanTsmcginnis: I think extend is allowed and the snaps are fine16:27
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jgriffithPlease read my response to the ML posting16:27
smcginniseharney, DuncanT: OK, that's consistent with how my backend works at least. ;)16:28
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jgriffithI'm not going to subject you to my rants again here on IRC but I'm telling you it's an awful idea16:28
smcginnisjgriffith: link?16:28
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smcginnisjgriffith: No rants? What fun is that?16:28
jgriffithsmcginnis: :)16:28
hemnaI'm here, let the rants begin.16:28
DuncanTjgriffith: What is an awful idea?16:29
jgriffithsmcginnis: DuncanT
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smcginnisjgriffith: Quick read through your response. I agree, makes sense to me.16:30
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DuncanTjgriffith: Ah, I agree with your email. API behaviour consistency is rather the point of our existance16:30
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jgriffithI also don't see the current behavior between extend and snapshots as inconsistent at all16:30
jgriffithquite the opposite16:31
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DuncanTjgriffith: +116:31
hemnajgriffith, +116:32
smcginnisSo... should we try to get unit tests that verify behavior of allowing extending with snapshots present?16:32
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smcginnisAnyone have a backend that does not support that?16:32
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flip214smcginnis: if I extend a volume, and go back to a snapshot, the old size is used again, right?16:33
eharneyfor some context, the glusterfs driver used to block that as not supported, it's been fixed to support it now16:33
* DuncanT is on vacation for all of next week, but I'll start pushing tests asap - anybody wants to start, email me16:33
e0nedoes lvm support extend snanpshot?16:33
smcginnisflip214: That would be my expectation.16:33
DuncanTflip214: Yes16:33
flip214smcginnis: okay, sounds good16:33
jgriffithe0ne: no... and to my point16:33
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flip214is there a consistency-group snapshot already?16:33
jgriffithe0ne: extend snapshot doens't make any sense in our context16:34
xyangflip214: yes16:34
xyangflip214: cgsnapshot16:34
jgriffithe0ne: even if LVM itself supports it16:34
e0nejgriffith: agree16:34
smcginnisjgriffith: Not extend snapshot, but extend a volume that has snapshots.16:34
DuncanTeharney: I'd have considered that a bug in the gluster driver - they happen, sounds like you considered it a bug too, so everything works as expected process-wise16:34
jungleboyjjgriffith: Why would someone extend a snapshot?16:34
jgriffithsmcginnis: yeah... sorry, I thought e0ne was specifically asking about extending snapshots16:34
e0nejgriffith: I misunderstood smcginnis's question16:34
jungleboyjsmcginnis: I don't think we have any issues with that test.  Will make sure.16:34
jgriffithahhh :)16:34
smcginnisjgriffith: Maybe he was. :)16:35
jgriffithok... carry on then :)16:35
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smcginnisSo, to be clear, we should be able to extend a volume and its snapshots should not be affected by it.16:35
xyange0ne: snapshot is taken at a point in time.  it's kind of frozen.16:35
DuncanTsmcginnis: Yes16:35
jgriffithsmcginnis: correct16:35
e0nesmcginnis: +216:35
smcginnisOK, good. I'm not totally off the reservation. :)16:36
DuncanTSounds like plenty of agreement, tempest tests to follow, maybe some documentation too16:36
smcginnisDuncanT: +116:36
flip214smcginnis: if it's in a consistency group, the same holds for it, too?16:36
jgriffithI think this comes up because there are some backends that do everything as a linked object and this creates some challenges for them16:36
wanghaoDuncanT: +116:36
xyangflip214: extend is not allowed with CG16:36
DuncanTflip214: Yes16:36
smcginnisThis could be good info to capture in eharney's effort to capture expected behavior documentation.16:36
flip214ie. snapshotting a CG, and then restoring, would only restore the volumes in the CG at the time of snapshot?16:36
DuncanTsmcginnis: +116:37
xyangflip214: yes16:37
flip214okay, understood. At least I believe I do ;)16:37
smcginniseharney: I still have that open in a tab by the way, and intend to contribute. Some day. :]16:37
eharneysmcginnis: me too :)16:37
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smcginnisHah :)16:37
* DuncanT doesn't - anybody got a link?16:37
smcginnis#topic Open Discussion16:38
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ntpttrHi, I have a quick question16:38
jgriffithsmcginnis: do we have to discuss "open" again ?16:38
smcginnisjgriffith: LOL16:38
smcginnisntpttr: Go for it!16:38
winston-dFWIW, Li Yan used to work on Storwize but she's working for Intel now, so not that she has some backend to support or something.16:39
ntpttrSo I've been working on a fix for this bug for a little while and we've discovered that right now any exceptions raised when checking quotas in delete calls (delete_volume, delete_snapshot ect.) are being silenced, so moving those checks to the API as they are rather than having them in the manager probably wouldn't make a difference because all that happens on failure is a message is written to the lo16:39
openstackLaunchpad bug 1508249 in Cinder "Quota checks are inconsistent" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Nate Potter (ntpttr)16:39
ntpttrI'm wondering if there was a reason for those exceptions not getting raised, and if it would be a good thing to raise them in the API to tell the user that the quota update failed when it happens and maybe make it possible to delete it anyways with the force flag or something else, or if those exceptions should stay silent.16:39
jgriffithntpttr: oh... I'm glad you mentioned that!16:39
ntpttrHere are links to the patches I have up for this right now, this question mostly applies to the last two of them because the first patch is updating retype and it was already raising the exception -
dulekjgriffith: :) Hopefully you'll shed some light of the bug intentions. :)16:39
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jgriffithdulek: I'm afraid I may make things worse....16:40
ntpttrjgriffith: oh boy.. :)16:40
jgriffithntpttr: dulek so the exceptions piece aside for now....16:40
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jgriffithntpttr: dulek I found that checking quotas "after" the rpc call to be kinda "silly"16:41
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jgriffithntpttr: dulek I thought it would be good to check at the API on entry and just be quick about it if/where we could16:41
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jgriffithntpttr: dulek this also had the benefit of consistency in the code16:41
jgriffithas opposed to just willie-nillie "I'll add a quota check here or there"16:41
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dulekjgriffith: My main problem with that is that this changes RPC API a lot and we're supposed to try to keep L->M compatibility here.16:42
smcginnisSo don't even try if you already know you can't. Makes sense.16:42
jgriffithdulek: hmm...16:43
dulekjgriffith: I'm not sure if code consistency is worth the risk.16:43
dulek(I mean - to be able to do rolling upgrades - we need compatibility)16:43
jgriffithdulek: in other words, we screwed up, now we just live with it because of rpc versioning ?16:43
ntpttryes, the rpcapi change is to add reservations parameters to pass them along to the manager16:43
jgriffithdulek: not saying that's not a valid point16:43
ntpttrso they can be committed/rolled back there16:43
winston-dRPC API change is not backwards compatible?16:43
dulekjgriffith: If the only gain here is code consistency, then I would say yes, let's live with that/16:43
ntpttrit is backwards compatible16:44
jgriffithdulek: ntpttr ok... well if it's not possible in the name of the elusive unicorn of rolling  upgrades I guess that the way it goes16:44
wanghaojgriffith: in some case, we need to check the quota after rpc call, like manage volume/snapshot.16:44
DuncanTThe other option is to add the request id to the reservations table in the DB, right?16:44
dulekjgriffith: If there's more - like quick user feedback - then I'm okay with it.16:44
jgriffithdulek: yeah... I can see the point16:44
DuncanTThen you can look it up on the far side16:44
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jgriffithDuncanT: you mean in essence do "both" for the old versions?16:44
wanghaojgriffith: since we need to get the volume size from driver and then check the quota.16:44
dulekjgriffith, ntpttr: I'm not saying it's not possible to make it backward compatibile - it is, but the more changes, the more chances of introducing a bug.16:45
jgriffithwanghao: say whhaaaat?16:45
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jgriffithwanghao: why do you have to get volume-size from backend?  That's what the DB is for16:45
wanghaojgriffith: no, I said manage exitsing volume16:45
winston-djgriffith: he was talking about managing (importing) a vol into cinder.16:45
* jgriffith smells a rat16:45
jgriffithwanghao: oh... :)  Ok, I'm confused on that... let's circle back16:46
jgriffithafter this topic16:46
ntpttrjgriffith: right now I've updated the patches to raise exceptions if quota checks fail in the API and it can be overridden with force, to give the user the quick feedback, but we aren't sure if that's a change that should be made16:46
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ntpttrjgriffith: so was there a reason then for the exceptions being silenced on the delete calls?16:46
DuncanTdulek: There's a bunch of ways of doing this without needing an incomatable RPC I think16:46
jgriffithOk... so if moving the checks is a problem for rpc versioning... that's life; maybe we can look at DuncanT 's idea and come up witha  solution there16:46
DuncanTntpttr: Why is force allowed?16:46
dulek(we're back with exceptions on quota errors in delet ecalls)16:46
jgriffithntpttr: the exception thing is actually problematic it turns out16:47
ntpttrDuncanT: it was allowed in case the quota checks fail but the volume/snapshot must be deleted anyway, just experimenting with possibilities16:47
jgriffithntpttr: a lot of those were added recently in the name of "giving user feedback other than 503 or whatever it was"16:47
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dulekDuncanT: Yeah, with ntpttr we've managed to make the code compatible. That's fine, but why even bother if there are no clear benefits of changing it?16:47
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jgriffitha side effect that  I noticed that kinda sucks is this:
DuncanTntpttr: How can a delete fail with a quota problem?16:47
jgriffithDuncanT: good question :)16:48
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DuncanTdulek: The user feedback changes ('you're over quota' rather than not telling you) is definitely a big improvement16:48
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winston-ddulek: well, depends on our definition of 'clear benefit'16:48
dulekDuncanT: If quota is out of sync it can, because we cannot reserve -1 quota on 0 volumes.16:48
DuncanTdulek: Ah, we should just eat that exception - quota is out of sync so we aren't making things worse16:49
ntpttrDuncanT: Hmm that I'm not sure, the exception is there in case any errors occur in add_volume_type_opts or reserve, it just wasn't being raised16:49
dulekDuncanT: I'm totally for making such change for these calls. But for delete calls we're silencing the exception.16:49
dulekSo initial question probably should be:16:49
dulekWhy we're silencing the quota exceptions for deletes?16:49
dulekWe're doing that consistently for delete_volume, snapshot, cg, cgsnapshot.16:50
DuncanTdulek: Because they aren't something the tenant cares about or can fix16:50
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winston-dgit blame?16:50
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dulekDuncanT: That was my intuition. So if I'm not missing anything - there's no point in moving quota checks from c-vol to API.16:51
dulekDuncanT: We will just silence an exception - who cares where it's done?16:52
DuncanTdulek: For delete? Not so much, no16:52
winston-ddulek: that is for delete, only, right?16:52
dulek(I know, code consistency is of value. ;))16:52
ntpttrmostly delete, but the other case was retype16:52
DuncanTdulek: I wasn't aware we were only discussing delete, sorry16:52
dulekwinston-d: Yes. For example for retype - gain from quick user feedback is understandable. :)16:52
ntpttrwhich was raising the exception previously in the manager16:52
dulekquick feedback to the user-16:52
DuncanTretype should give the user feekback ideally I think16:53
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dulekDuncanT: +1 :)16:53
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ntpttrOkay - yesterday I separated retype into its own patch for this reason :)16:53
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ntpttrdulek: thanks for the feedback/help in the reviews16:53
dulekjgriffith: You're okay with that outcome?16:54
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jungleboyjDuncanT: +116:54
winston-dntpttr: is that all?16:55
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dulekSumming up - if we're silencing quota exceptions - there's no point in moving them. If not - there's value in giving quick feedback to the user and we should go and do checks in API. :)16:55
ntpttrwinston-d: yes I think that clears it up16:55
smcginnisdulek: +116:55
ntpttrthanks everyone16:56
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smcginnis4 minute warning16:56
DuncanTI've got one more thing to bring up in the last couple of minutes then16:56
winston-dok, I have a quick question about Cinder Ironic interaction.16:56
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smcginnisArm wrestle for it!16:56
hemnawinston-d, sup16:56
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winston-dwe discssued this during the working session and I'd like to know if how we will follow up on that.16:56
DuncanTA Toshiba engineer emailed me about where a driver can put things that don't fit in provider_info _id etc16:57
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smcginnisLet's try to quick get winston-d's, if that's OK.16:57
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hemnawinston-d, e0ne is working on a cinderclient patch that adds the ability to do attachment to the host where the clinderclient command is executed16:57
e0newinston-d: I'm working on it and
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smcginniswinston-d: Good enough?16:57
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DuncanTSpecifically they need to store some of the volume_type attributes, like whether there are mirrors, so they can correctly clean up on delete even if the type has been editted16:57
winston-dhemna, e0ne: thx!16:57
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winston-dsmcginnis: yes16:57
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smcginnisOK DuncanT .16:58
hemnawinston-d, just need help testing and reviewing at this point I think.16:58
hemnait's on my list of things TODO/test16:58
winston-dhemna: sure, glad to help with review at least.16:58
DuncanTI suggested admin_metadata was the only sane place for this16:58
hemnawinston-d, ok thanks :)16:58
smcginnisDuncanT: They don't know from their backend if there are mirrors?16:58
DuncanTDoing some auditing I discovered that the hitachi driver uses volume_metadata for this16:58
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winston-dhopefully we can test it soon with our Ironic AZ.16:58
DuncanTsmcginnis: Apparently not16:58
e0newinston-d: I didn't add attchach/detach stuff into the latest code. will do it later this week16:59
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hemnaif anyone is interested, os-brick has a WIP/POC for extending an attached volume
DuncanThitachi driver looks like a malicious tenant can do bad thigns16:59
e0newinston-d: sounds great!16:59
smcginnisDuncanT: So the question is should they all be using admin or volume metadata?16:59
smcginnishemna: Awesome!16:59
e0nehemna: added to my review inbox16:59
DuncanTsmcginnis: Definitely not volume_metadata - the tennant can change or delete that at will16:59
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smcginnisDuncanT: Yeah, that seems like a Bad Thing.17:00
hemnaI'd like to get that tested by various folks, so I can get it to land.17:00
jungleboyjhemna: Awesome!17:00
smcginnisDuncanT: Maybe file a bug against them to change that?17:00
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DuncanTsmcginnis: A few drivers touch the volume_metadata, still auditing for what the bad effects are17:00
hemnadiablo_rojo, has been working on testing it for me for IBM.  I'd like to get some other vendors to test it as well if possible.17:00
DuncanTsmcginnis: Bug on the way, just trying to figure out if it should be securoty tagged17:00
jungleboyjhemna: Do we need changes on the Nova side still though?17:00
hemnabut it has to be tested manually at the moment.17:01
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hemnajungleboyj, cinder and nova17:01
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hemnabut os-brick has to have this first17:01
wanghaosmcginns:jgriffith We can continue to talk about the get replica volume ref in #cinder channel. :)17:01
smcginnisDuncanT: Hmm, good question. I would lean towards no.17:01
DuncanTIBM writes to the admin metadata during replication.... should we formally allow drivers to change admin_metadata?17:01
smcginnisOK, we're over.17:01
smcginnisLet's go back to our channel for anything else.17:01
smcginnisThanks everyone.17:01
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hemnaDuncanT, via model updates or direct DB calls ?17:01
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jungleboyjhemna: Ok, I need to follow up with my guys who were doing the Nova part.17:01
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DuncanThemna: Moving to main channel. Model updates - we want to kill db access in drivers17:02
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'ironic_qa'17:02
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krtayloranyone here for ironic-qa?17:02
hemnaDuncanT, +117:02
jrollkrtaylor: SUP :)17:02
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krtaylorhi everyone17:03
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krtaylorhere is the agenda:17:03
krtaylornot much there, but I know better than to think we won't have anything to talk about  :)17:03
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krtaylor#topic Announcements17:04
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sinvalWe have great news about OneView CI, we are able to test deployment workflow, I assume that we are publishing the deploy test job until the end of this week :)17:04
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krtaylorand we have one on the agenda17:05
krtaylorOpenStack Health Dashboard17:05
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krtaylornot sure if that was sambetts17:05
jrollalso just a quick note, we're making the ipxe job voting, it's been stable for a while:
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krtaylorbut here's the link for the Dashboard:17:06
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krtayloripxe voting:17:06
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jrollso now that we've brought the dashboard up... can we talk about how abysmal that failure rate is? can save for open discussion if we like...17:07
krtayloryes, we should, lets table that for open discussion17:07
jrolland even worse, thuogh I think it may be a sample size thing:
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krtaylorhi sambetts we were just looking at the dashboard17:08
krtaylorok, any other quick announcements?17:08
sambettsYeah I came up on the ML and I thought it was cool17:08
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krtaylor#topic Grenade and Functional testing17:09
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krtaylornot sure of any progress this week either, jlvillal is in class17:09
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krtaylorthen onward17:10
krtaylor#topic Third party CI17:10
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krtaylorso,t he spec has had a lot of activity  :)17:10
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krtaylorjroll, I read the comments and started a revision, but got distracted by my day job, sorry about the duplicate patch17:11
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jrollkrtaylor: no worries :)17:12
krtaylorthere were some counterpoint comments17:12
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krtaylorlucasagomes isn't here...17:12
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jrollI think we're way past the point of deciding whether or not we're doing this...17:13
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krtaylorjroll, agreed, but maybe we can address some of the concerns that prompted the concern17:14
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krtaylorused concern to many times17:14
jrollseems like the concerns were "I don't want my driver dropped from tree, but I can't CI it"17:14
jrollidk how to address this unless we just don't do it17:14
krtaylorcan that driver be tested as a part of the infra testing?17:15
krtaylorif it requires special hw, then no17:15
jrollalmost certainly not, it needs real hardware afaik17:15
lucasagomeswe could somehow mark drivers in tree that are CI'ed and not CI'ed?17:15
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lucasagomeshaving a config option to allow enabling non-CI'ed driver?17:15
jrollmaybe kvm has a wol17:15
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jrolllucasagomes: that was an alternative proposed a long time ago that we decided not to do17:16
jrollI don't remember off hand all the reasons why17:16
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lucasagomesjroll, it was a bit different AFAIR17:16
lucasagomesthe propose before was you could either enable production drivers or testing drivers17:16
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lucasagomes(but I wanna point out that, I'm OK with that proposal in the spec. I understand it has been discussed)17:17
jrollyeah, I think we don't want to turn back now17:17
krtaylorhistorically, as projects have grown, that has not worked well, if it is in tree, it needs to be tested17:17
lucasagomesjroll, yeah, and I'm fine with that17:17
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lucasagomeskrtaylor, it's "tested" not as a functional test17:18
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lucasagomesbut unittest is testing17:18
lucasagomesI think my idea is more like staging drivers in linux17:18
jrolldprince: do you want to talk about this at all or are you good with my replies on the spec patch?17:18
lucasagomeswhich are drivers in-tree but with less promises that they are working17:18
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krtaylorlucasagomes, yeah, that is what I was proposing at summit, like an attic for drivers that were interesting, but not production17:19
lucasagomeskrtaylor, ++17:20
lucasagomesand I understand that there's an overhead about having driver in tree as well, we have to maintain the code17:20
lucasagomesso all ideas has pos/cons17:20
krtaylorthe spec started that way, but the consensus was that once out of main tested tree, they were noop17:20
dprincelucasagomes: maintenance in-tree is much cheaper though17:21
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lucasagomesdprince, right17:21
dprincejroll: grep17:21
jrollgrep -r thing ironic/ mydriver/17:22
dprincejroll: I'm just not keen on all the split out here17:22
dprincejroll: I mean if we expected 10 more power management drivers over the next year, maybe17:22
jrollright, I'd like a concrete reason why. most of the issues I've heard are easily solved17:22
dprincejroll: even then, the main arguement seems to be quality of the "in-tree" drivers17:23
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dprincejroll: I don't think iboot, and wol are dragging down that quality17:23
jrolldprince: we want to be able to say "all drivers in tree are well tested"17:24
krtaylorput another way, why would we be different than any other project wrt vendor CI?17:24
jrollit's not that drivers are dragging down quality, it's that the quality is 100% unknown17:24
dprincekrtaylor: other projects got it wrong in some cases17:24
dprincekrtaylor: took it too far17:24
lucasagomesone thing that in-tree drivers helps is to expand the driver interface... It's easy to argue about adding an extra parameter for example in one of the methods if it's in-tree17:24
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lucasagomeslike when get_supported_boot_devices() was extended to add the "task" argument17:25
lucasagomesbecause we needed to check the arch of the node instead of just returning an static list17:25
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lucasagomessmall example, that is easy to reason about if the driver is in-tree when changing the base interfaces17:25
dprincejust my prospective, I don't see any reason to penalize developers who have taken the extra time to enhance their dev environments with drivers which are super helpful at developing and testing Ironic17:25
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dprinceperhaps out of tree makes sense for some vendors who don't generally engage upstream17:26
dprincesort of a pay to play model17:26
jrolldprince: I don't see the penalty, is my point17:26
dprincejroll: out of tree, out of site, out of mind17:26
jrolland we *want* to keep out of tree drivers working17:26
dprincejroll: i.e. I have to go and read the changelogs as to why interface X changed17:27
jrollI think they're super valuable17:27
jrollwe don't want to break that interface17:27
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dprincejroll: right, I'm saying (in practice) it isn't perfect17:27
dprincejroll: look at the includes in all the vendor drivers17:27
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jrollno, but we're working towards that17:27
dprincejroll: some of those I think might be considered internal drivers17:27
jrollwe have a plan to get rid of those17:27
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jrolland have an actual driver api sort of thing17:28
dprincejroll: until there are versioned (internally versioned) libaries out of tree could be painful17:28
dprincejroll: that is all I'm saying17:28
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jrollwe also have 1.5+ cycles to figure out how to make it less painful17:29
krtaylorbut, we have already started off down the runway17:29
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lucasagomesjroll, what about documentation for out-of-tree drivers?17:30
lucasagomesthings like
jrollgreat question, we'll need to solve that somehow17:31
jrollreadthedocs is pretty easy, and infra has support for it17:31
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jrollthere's probably other good ways17:31
lucasagomestrue, yeah we should give it some thought17:31
krtaylorit the spirit of big tent and fostering new projects (drivers) maybe therecan be a cross-project driver incubation repo17:31
krtaylorbut we have time to brainstorm that17:32
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krtaylorso, the issue is that there are valuable drivers that developers are using, that cannot be tested as a part of our infra check pipeline17:33
lucasagomeskrtaylor, right... they can be tested, but we just don't have $$ to actually test it17:34
krtaylorand that is a special case, maybe we can find a vendor that could?17:34
* krtaylor thinks ipmi...17:34
lucasagomesI think jroll is looking at it17:34
lucasagomesfor ipmitool for e.g17:34
lucasagomesbecause that's our "main" (not sure I can say it) driver17:34
jrollyeah, I'm on top of ipmitool17:34
jroll"recommended" :)17:35
jrollso my thought is we roll forward with our plan, try to make it work well for those drivers, and go from there17:35
lucasagomesIBM may want to do it for ipminative as well, since pyghmi is something they work on17:35
krtayloryes, we are having those discussions also17:35
jrolland if it's super terrible for out of tree drivers, we either work really hard to fix it, or admit that out of tree in ironic is terrible and allow them back in tree with some other mechanism to say it's untested17:35
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krtaylorworks for me17:36
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jrollcan we land this spec then? :D17:37
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sambettsI'm already maintaining an out of tree driver, and its not that bad right now, nothing has drastically broken anything recently17:37
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krtaylorjroll, +100017:37
lucasagomessambetts, yeah we want to make it even better17:37
sambettsof course :)17:37
* lucasagomes wants at least17:37
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jrolllucasagomes: don't forget we had a whole session on the driver interface and came out with a plan :)17:38
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sinvaljroll, I think there are some issues regarding testing, I'm not sure if krtaylor is planning to discuss that during this meeting...17:38
lucasagomesjroll, right17:38
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krtaylorok, we are winding down on that topic17:38
jrollsinval: open discussion? :)17:38
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krtayloranyone object to moving on?17:39
jrolllet's do it17:39
sinvaljroll: can be17:39
krtaylor#topic General QA and Open Discussion17:39
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jrollsinval: whatcha got17:39
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sinvaldeva had comments about the testing session in the spec, something about: "None is not good for a testing spec"17:40
jrollsinval: oh, that's been fixed17:40
krtaylorthat was a joke about a testing spec not having test impact :)17:41
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krtaylorit was the subject of the entire spec :)17:41
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jrollmy open discussion topic: we have sporadic failures caused by either timeouts and/or pxe failures, still plaguing the gate for months (years?) now, and it's long past the point where we're terrible people for not fixing them17:41
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jrolltop 2 out of 3 on elastic recheck17:42
jrollwe can't just let these sit anymore, we need someone working on them as hard as possible, and nothing else17:42
lucasagomesthat timeout is a PITA indeed17:42
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jrollclark b has the bug numbers memorized - that's how bad it is17:42
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jrollI tried to get to it, but I have way too much other stuff going on17:43
jrollI'm happy to prioritize it on my list, but would rather have a volunteer that knows this stuff well working on it17:43
jrollit's a terrible waste of infra resources :(17:43
krtaylorjlvillal will more than likely be interested, but I won't volunteer him17:43
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krtaylor#action find someone to work the transient timeout and pxe failures17:45
* lucasagomes is also too busy to take a look17:45
lucasagomesbut I'm happy to help17:45
jrollno volunteers? :(17:45
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krtaylorI am too atm, maybe in a few weeks17:45
lucasagomesjroll, do we know at least why it takes so long? slow network when PXE booting?17:45
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jrolllucasagomes: probably slow gate nodes, I don't think localhost networking could be that slow17:46
lucasagomestftp can be a real pain even for local network17:46
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lucasagomesright :-/17:46
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lucasagomessambetts, would be good to test ur tiny ipa there anyway17:47
lucasagomesit will consume fair less resources17:47
sambettsI was about to suggest that :-P17:47
lucasagomesshould be very quick to boot that17:47
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jrollidk if it's always the boot being slow, either, hard to tell17:47
jrollcould just be *everything* being slow17:47
jrollfor instance, jay had a test yesterday where it timed out during cleaning17:48
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sambettsits a considerably smaller image to tranfer by tftp too, so that might help17:48
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lucasagomesone thing that is hard to debug is the boot time17:49
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lucasagomesbecause every time we power on the nested VM17:49
lucasagomesthe file which the console is redirect to is overwritten17:49
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lucasagomesso it's actually hard to see the logs and figure out how long did it take to boot17:49
sambettsyeah that is really frustrating for debuging inspector too17:49
jrollyep, need to fix that as well17:50
jrollI guess I'm going to get hacking on that stuff, then17:50
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lucasagomesyeah, improving the troubleshooting def helps17:51
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jrollI may also work on moving devstack code into our tree as a plguin, that will make it much easier to work on it I thin17:51
jrolland make devstack people super happy17:51
sinvalkrtaylor: did you have the chance to think about those questions about testing in the spec? or we are going to postpone it?17:51
jrollsinval: have you looked at the spec since yesterday?17:52
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jrollsinval: what questions do you have that are still unanswered?17:52
krtaylorsinval, yes I replied, we will document17:52
sinvaljroll, krtaylor I'm reading right now17:52
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krtaylorwe are nearing the top of the hour, any other topics, questions?17:53
sambettsNothign from me17:55
krtaylorgoing once...twice...17:56
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sinval 1. Are we considering that the tempest-dsvm-pxe-ipa is enough for testing a patch  impacts on a driver?17:56
sinval1.1 If not: What are the base test cases for considering a driver CI as "reliable"?17:56
sinval2. Can a CI implement specific test cases that are not in Ironic tree or even in the Tempest tree to ensure that their driver is not broke by a patch?17:56
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sinval 3. Are we considering implementation of functional test cases of driver interfaces to ensure that a CI is reliable?17:56
sinvaljust some things to think about, I'm not sure if it is clear to everyone17:57
krtaylorgood questions, but don't have all the answers atm17:57
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jrollso, tl;dr 1) it's a good start, and we can add to it. 2) sure? :) 3) I haven't considered it much, but we should totally add things like power off/on calls to the API to tempest if they don't exist already17:58
krtayloragreed  :)17:59
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jrollsinval: let's add those to the docs when we write those :)17:59
sinvaljroll: sure17:59
krtayloryes! I'll sign you up :)17:59
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krtaylorok, so I think we are done here17:59
krtaylorthanks everyone!17:59
jrollthanks krtaylor :D17:59
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notmynameswift team meeting time21:00
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notmynamewho's here for the swift team meeting?21:00
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notmynamewelcome everyone :-)21:01
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notmynamebig group today, so let's get started21:01
notmynameah! eranrom is here. I'll come back to you soon since it's so late21:02
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notmynamefirst general info21:02
notmynameyou may have seen Zyric1 in the -swift channel. she's joining us for the next few months as part of the internship program21:02
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notmynameplease welcome her and help her out21:02
tdasilvacool, welcome Zyric1!21:03
jrichliwelcome, Zyric1!21:03
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gmmahawelcome Zyric121:03
torgomaticmeeting meeting21:03
Zyric1Thanks everyone! Really excited and happy to be working with you :)21:03
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acolesZyric1: hi!21:03
notmynameshe'll be working on one of those things that came up in the ops feedback session in tokyo: providing a method to get a list of accounts found in a swift cluster21:03
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mattoliverauZyric1: \o/21:04
cutforthwelcome Zyric121:04
sgundur1Zyric1: hi21:04
blmartinZyric1: welcome!21:04
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notmynameZyric1: I'm glad to have you with us making swift better :-)21:04
kota_Zyric1: welcome21:04
pdardeau-Zyric1: welcome!21:04
notmynamehere's our agenda for today (yes, there's a lot. we'll cover what we can)21:04
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notmynamefor the sake of timezones, I want to jump briefly to the end and ask eranrom a question21:05
notmyname#topic container sync status update21:05
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notmynameeranrom: what's going on with container sync?21:05
notmynameany blockers? what do you need?21:05
eranromnotmyname: thanks!21:05
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eranromWell, the first (out of three patches) has been reviewed by clayg and acoles getting +2/-121:06
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eranromFixed all comments and awaiting to be re-review21:06
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acoleseranrom: you are on my todo list21:06
notmynamewhat's the link?21:06
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notmyname(for meetbot)21:07
eranromIn fact IBM wants to beta this pretty much as soon as it gets upstream21:07
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eranromso would be great to have it in 2.5.121:07
notmynameso acoles will rereview it21:07
eranromgr8 thanks!!!21:08
notmynameand we'll need another core to look too21:08
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eranromyou mean other then clayg?21:08
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mattoliverauI'm in Sydney office and thus meetings this week but will try and get eyes on it21:08
notmynameclayg had a family emergency come up this week and will be out for a bit21:09
notmynamethanks mattoliverau21:09
eranromhope all is/will be fine.21:09
jrichlithoughts go to clayg21:09
eranrommattoliverau: Thanks!21:09
notmynameeranrom: anything else you need there?21:09
eranromnot now. Thanks!21:10
notmynamelet's get it landed :-)21:10
notmyname#topic patch (landable or nearly so)21:10
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notmynamehurricanerix: started the journey for patch 214206 to port functional tests to use testr (testrepository)21:11
patchbotnotmyname: - Modify functional tests to use testr21:11
notmynameand we've had quite a few iterations there21:11
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notmynamethe reason this is important is to better integrate with tempest, the openstack fucntional testing project21:11
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notmynameso it's a Big Deal for defcore and what can be called "swift" or not. (technicall, "openstack object storage", but whatever)21:12
hurricanerixnotmyname: hehe, i think it was more than a journey.  =)21:12
notmynamebut I think we're very nearly at the end!21:12
notmynamethanks to mattoliverau and you and gmmaha!21:12
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notmynameso right now we've got a patch that passes everything and looks pretty good in our normal "run the tests" dev workflow21:12
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notmynamethe only thing is that the in-process tests end up spewing all of the logging to stdout (or at least the tty) now21:13
notmynamewhich makes running the tests that way pretty unusable21:13
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notmynameguess which way they are run in the gate? ;-)21:13
notmynameso gmmaha has a follow-on patch (may be rolled in?) to suppress the logging21:14
notmynameI think if that one looks good we should be able to land it21:14
gmmahanotmyname: patch 25545721:14
patchbotgmmaha: - Option to supress logs for in_process test21:14
notmynameso take a look, if not for a review then at least to see what the functional test output looks like now.21:14
mattoliverauI think if we go back to pipe through unittest we can hide the extra outout21:15
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mattoliverauOutput even21:15
mattoliverau*I think21:15
notmynamethat would be nice21:15
notmynameok, next nearly landable patch.21:16
acolesnotmyname: gate runs both forms, in-process and normal right?21:16
notmynameacoles: perhaps in different jobs, yes21:16
notmynamepatch 24157121:16
patchbotnotmyname: - Put part-replicas where they go21:16
notmynamethis is the ring patch21:16
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notmynameactually, based on all the of the comments from everyone, I think this one is ready to land. today.21:16
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notmynamethanks to ho and acoles/HPE and kota_ and briancline and dfg/rax and torgomatic and of course clayg for running all those tests and rings through this patch21:17
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notmynameare there any objects to landing this patch now?21:18
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notmynamewe've got a +2 from sam, a +1 from another core, 2 more +1s from other deployers. and tons of comments (positive) in the review comments21:19
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acolesnotmyname: no objections from us21:19
acolesnotmyname: lorcan had +1 but looks like it got lost on an update21:20
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mattoliverauSo acoles is your other +2 :)21:20
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notmynameI added mine too, with a +A21:21
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notmynamethanks everyone. this one is a pretty big deal :-)21:21
notmynameacoles: lol21:21
notmynameok, moving on21:21
acolesgreat work clayg, for the record21:21
notmyname#topic patches, status updates21:21
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notmynamepyeclib version update patch has landed21:21
notmynamenext step is to raise the min version up. that just be much less painful21:22
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notmynamesince all the packages (liberasurecode) are in the distros and on the jenkins slaves now21:22
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notmynameother one to look at is patch 20610521:23
patchbotnotmyname: - Use entrypoints for storage policy implementation ...21:23
notmynamethis one is getting good feedback21:23
notmynametorgomatic and acoles make very good arguments :-)21:23
notmynamethis one is a small code change but bigger from a philosophy POV21:24
notmynameso please take a look21:24
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notmynameany questions on it?21:24
notmyname#topic patches that need reviews21:25
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notmynameall of them.21:25
notmynamepatch 156293 is blocking crypto work (and is a good idea anyway)21:26
patchbotnotmyname: - Use correct regex for EC2 tempest gating (MERGED)21:26
notmynamethis is the copy middleware patch21:26
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tdasilvawrong patch number i think21:26
jrichlipatch 15692321:26
patchbotjrichli: - Refactor server side copy as middleware21:26
notmynamethanks :-)21:26
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notmynamethe biggest question I have is around the TODO in the commit message21:27
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wbhuberho and i have been looking into it.  i've hit a snag when trying to come up with a file that handles as a common helper function for both copy as middleware and versioned_write middleware.21:27
notmynameanyone care to give an update on this patch? what does it need? is there more work to be done before reviews?21:27
notmynamewbhuber: how can we help?21:28
wbhubernotmyname: still thinking of right questions to ask. =]21:28
hoI would like to know background of place for the middleware in pipeline (before *lo)21:28
notmynameheh ok21:28
acolesdoing the commit message todo would also fix a bug with SLO post i think21:28
notmynameah, good21:28
notmynameyeah, there's several things going on there. COPY middleware, fast-POST, and SLO post stuff21:29
notmynameall kinda tangled togetehr21:29
wbhuberfast-POST -> SLO -> copy as middlware -> encryption?21:29
acolesi think it would obviate need for patch
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notmynameacoles: doing the todo in the copy middleware patch?21:30
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tdasilvayeah...I can work with wbhuber to make copy middleware happen21:30
notmynamethe copy middleware patch has bounced around several times? who's the current "owner"? wbhuber? ho? tdasilva?21:30
notmynametdasilva: awesome. thanks21:30
wbhuberppai is no longer working on it?21:30
acolesnotmyname: yes, but maybe there is a related issue around copying the internal manifest format?21:30
wbhubertdasilva: that'd be terrific.21:31
* acoles needs to study it some more tbh21:31
tdasilvaacoles: that patch refers to copy hook, since that would be removed is the patch still valid?21:31
jrichlithanks, tdasilva!21:31
tdasilvajrichli, wbhuber: sorry my time has been bouncing around and difficult to predict21:31
jrichlitdasilva: no worries :-)21:32
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wbhubertdasilva: understood.21:32
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acolestdasilva: sorry, let me be clearer, bug 1260446 is what i hope will be fixed by COPY moving to left of SLO21:32
openstackbug 1260446 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "when you copy a slo the destination doesn't get its content-length and etag set correctly in the container listings" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Alistair Coles (alistair-coles)21:32
tdasilvaacoles: oh yeah, ok21:32
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acolespatch 248219 was my attempt on master but its not pretty21:32
patchbotacoles: - Fix listing of SLO manifest bytes after POST or COPY21:32
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tdasilvathere's an issue with the original slo manifest getting modified on a PUT, so still need to think how to fix that, but we can have that conversation later21:34
notmynameso what I'm hearing is wbhuber and tdasilva will get the patch into better shape, then ho and acoles will look at it? does that sound right?21:34
notmynamethe copy middleware patch21:34
notmynameacoles: or do we need to get fast-post first?21:34
notmynamewould that make things easier?21:34
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acolesnotmyname: copy does not depend on fast post. fixing the content length bug for poast-as-copy would mean i can test it in fast-post, so there's a weak dependency there21:36
tdasilvasounds good21:36
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notmynameok, great21:36
acolesnotmyname: so plan sounds ok21:37
notmynamenext. patch 20241121:37
patchbotnotmyname: - Add functional test for access control (RBAC) with...21:37
notmynamethis is ho's RBAC tests patch21:37
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notmynameit's long but formulaic for adding a bunch of new functional tests21:37
notmynameho: is there anything other than reviews you need on this one?21:38
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honotmyname: i need performance improvement on this and i tried it so i would like to have re-review.21:39
notmynamenext. patch 117710 for concurrent reads21:39
patchbotnotmyname: - Add concurrent reads option to proxy21:39
notmynamedefinitely a performance improvement for swift21:39
notmynamemattoliverau: your last comment there implies some further work or discovery21:40
notmynameanything you need from the rest of us?21:40
notmynamehoping mattoliverau is still here ;-)21:40
notmynameok, he said he might have to step out21:41
notmynamelast one I wanted to mention is much smaller in scope than all the rest!21:41
notmynameso it's easy!21:41
notmynamepatch 25209621:41
patchbotnotmyname: - Allow smaller segments in static large objects21:41
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notmynamenot that we have ranges in SLOs, the hard 1MB limit per segment doesn't make as much sense. torgomatic improved it to be a rate limit instead of a hard min segment size21:42
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notmynameit should improve the life of anyone using SLOs21:42
notmynameand I think that's it for patches!21:42
torgomaticand hopefully keep operators' lives roughly the same difficulty21:42
notmyname#topic next releases21:43
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notmynameswiftclient release has been in the works all week. AFAICT everything is now good from our side21:43
notmynameit had to be 2.7.0 since it's the first at the start of the mitaka cycle21:43
notmynamebut otherwise, it's a very small release21:43
notmynamethe most significant thing being "last py26 supported release21:43
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notmynameso I hope to see that be tagged very soon21:44
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notmynamefor swift, I'd like to do a release soon as well21:44
notmynamethe ring change will be there. hopefully the container sync improvements :-)21:44
mattoliverauSorry in commute, re: concurrent reads, yeah clays last change meant there were some greenlet craziness, I have a diff that fixes it but causes more issues. I'll need to work on it a little more21:44
notmynameand all the other stuff we've been working on21:44
notmynamemattoliverau: ok, thanks. can you set WIP until you have somethign you want us to look at?21:45
mattoliverauSure can!21:45
notmynameany questions on releases?21:45
notmynameok, last up is general stuff going on21:46
notmyname#topic other status updates21:46
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notmynameacoles: where are with with the EC improvement patches? I feel like we've dropped the ball21:46
notmyname(my fault)21:46
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notmynameacoles: you an I can talk about that later and come up with a plan to land some patches, if you want21:47
acolesnotmyname: no ball dropped. so there are three that depend on which clayg and peluse have reviewed21:47
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acolesand imho its in good shape i.e. patch 23112121:48
patchbotacoles: - Make ECDiskFile report all fragments found on disk21:48
kota_will review21:48
notmynamethanks kota_21:48
acolesthe the others are linked as dependent patches from there, and they bring the real value21:48
kota_because my patch depends on that21:48
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acoles231121 is just getting supporting things sorted in diskfile21:49
acolesthanks kota_ !21:49
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notmynamemattoliverau: anything to report on container sharding?21:49
mattoliverauYeah, were making good progress21:49
mattoliverauIBM have given a few bodies to help test and do some dev work21:50
mattoliverauI'm thinking we might be getting to a point where we might need to think about making a feature brach so all the people can more easily work on it upstream21:51
notmynamemattoliverau: what do you need to make progress there? any other eyes or hands? just time to do the typing and thinking?21:51
notmynamemattoliverau: ah?21:51
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mattoliverauBut really ATM, I think it's more thinking and working time21:51
notmynamethanks for the update21:51
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notmynamewe should talk more later about a feature branch or not21:52
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notmynamejrichli: any updates for us on crypto work?21:52
mattoliverauSure, we might want to wait until IBM testing and benching comes back21:52
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jrichlijust chugging along ... most of the trello cards are assigned. just need to finish them21:52
notmynamejrichli: and you need copy middleware ;-)21:52
jrichliYes :-)21:53
notmynameok :-)21:53
tdasilvagot the msg21:53
notmynamewow. we got through all the things on the agenda!21:53
notmyname#topic hackathon21:53
acolestdasilva: no pressure there :)21:53
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notmynameso the next hackathon21:53
notmynameacoles and HPE are hosting in bristol (UK) in early february next year21:54
notmynametdasilva: oh. oops21:54
notmynamelate february!21:54
notmynamehe and I are working on logistics, and we'll be getting that available asap21:55
notmynamevery late february21:55
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notmynameweek of feb 2821:55
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notmynamepractically early march21:55
acolesalmost summer in fact21:55
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notmynameacoles: I expect good conversation around a table in a warm pub with dark beer!21:56
wbhuberacoles: will we have elvenses? =]21:56
eranromI will drink for that21:56
tdasilvashouldn't the hackathon be hosted at a pub?21:57
acolesyou mean a dark pub with warm beer surely?21:57
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eranromfor that too21:57
notmynameanything else to bring up in the meeting this week?21:57
tdasilvajust a quick question on the entrypoints patch: eikke mentioned on a comment that there's still work to do, should it be marked as WIP and do we know if he is still working on it?21:57
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notmynametdasilva: he's definitely still working on it and interested in it21:58
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acolescan I just mention bug 1487791 - there's a discussion to be had (on launchpad) about what the right fix is for that, I'd appreciate others' opinions21:59
openstackbug 1487791 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "POST to DLO squashes data without fast-POST" [Undecided,New]
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notmynameacoles: right. you had a good comment today. I want to respond this afternoon21:59
acoleson launchpad, not here.21:59
acolesnotmyname: thanks21:59
notmynamewe're out of time here ;-)21:59
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notmynamethanks for coming today. thanks for working on swift!22:00
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