Wednesday, 2016-01-06

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skraynev_#startmeeting Heat07:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Jan  6 07:00:09 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is skraynev_. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.07:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Heat)"07:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'heat'07:00
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skraynev_#topic rollcall07:00
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skraynev_I wonder how many people will be? :)07:01
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skraynev_shardy ?07:01
skraynev_KanagarajM: hi :)07:01
skraynev_sirushti: hi07:02
skraynev_ramishra_: around?07:02
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skraynev_ananta: hey07:02
KanagarajMskraynev_: hi :)07:02
KanagarajMwish you a happy new year to all :)07:03
skraynev_thank you ) you too.07:03
sirushtiskraynev, hi07:04
skraynev_it's the first Heat meeting in this year :) I suppose it will be short07:04
skraynev_#topic Adding items to agenda07:04
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skraynev_Do we have some important notes?07:05
anantaWant to add topic "Enabling convergence by default"07:06
skraynev_This week is still holidays in RF, so I did not involved in review process now07:06
skraynev_ananta: Good suggestion, but I'd prefer to move it on next meeting, if you don't mind07:07
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anantathe next one will be midnight for me :(07:07
skraynev_AFAIK, most part of people have vacations07:07
KanagarajMskraynev_: I came back from vacation today, and will start to review, saw there are many patches got queued. !07:08
skraynev_ananta: 23.00 for me :)07:08
ramishra_skraynev_:  if you've not seen the mails,  celiemoter/gnocchi broken gate is fixed now, without reverting the devstack patch07:08
skraynev_ananta: I can raise it instead of you, if you give me more details07:08
anantaskraynev_: yeah, actually 1:30 AM, so bit difficult for me07:09
anantaskraynev_: sure07:09
skraynev_ramishra_: yeah. It was one of my questions too ;) Huge thanks for your work ;)07:09
skraynev_KanagarajM: yes. it's true due to NY and Christmas celebrations ;)07:10
skraynev_ananta: yes. 1.30 AM is really hard. I understand you. I will add this topic for today and for next meeting then07:11
KanagarajMskraynev_: yeah ! :)07:11
anantaskraynev_: ok07:11
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skraynev_#topic Review priorities07:13
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anantaskraynev_: thanks for adding the topic07:13
skraynev_as KanagarajM said we have a lot of patches, so please start review it ;)07:13
ramishra_ananta: are we ready to enable convergence by default? I see some failures here and there.  we've few tests disabled for convergence too.07:14
skraynev_#topic Enabling convergence by default07:14
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skraynev_ananta: so what is the status of convergence for now?07:14
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anantaskraynev_: we are seeing the gate jobs passing for a long time07:15
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anantathere are few bugs we should address07:15
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skraynev_looks like it's more then a few07:16
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anantaskraynev_: the important ones re in progress07:16
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anantathere are 2 bugs which are kind of improvements, not blocking any functionality07:17
skraynev_I personally will be happy to enable it by default when this list will contain 2-3 bugs without High importance07:17
anantaskraynev_: sure, will plan accordingly07:18
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skraynev_So let's do it more stable and then we can try to enable it07:19
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anantaskraynev_: sure07:19
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skraynev_ananta: However I agree, it looks really possible to enable it in Mitaka07:20
anantaskraynev_: we should move #1512343 from undecided07:20
anantaskraynev_: yup, I am sure it is07:21
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skraynev_According to the schedule, I don't believe, that we can do it before m-2, so if we talk about plan - it should be finished/ready to m-307:23
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anantaskraynev_: I am planning m-2 though, lets take a look next week so that we are in better position to make a call07:24
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anantaskraynev_: I am sure quick reviews will definitely help expedite the progress, though we need to urgently address 3 high priority bugs07:25
skraynev_ananta: I will ask team to focus on this staff. Could you add all convergence related fixes to
anantaskraynev_: sure, there is already a link which filters on convergence, but I can add independent patches07:26
skraynev_ananta: yes, I meant exactly it07:26
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anantaskraynev_: sure07:26
anantaskraynev_: the early we enable, more the testing :)07:27
skraynev_ananta: I am more skeptical about next week progress. it will be first week after long vacations/holidays, etc... And we should understand, that people need time for involving in work process07:28
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skraynev_ananta: :) right07:28
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skraynev_however to do it very early may be not so good too ;)07:29
skraynev_#topic Open discussion07:29
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skraynev_anything else ?07:29
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skraynev_if there is no objections, I suggest to finish ;)07:30
ramishra_one min.07:30
ramishra_Wanted to confirm if someone is working on the heat devstack plugin.07:31
skraynev_ramishra_: sure07:31
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skraynev_ramishra_: hm. you probably need to ask pas-ha about it on the next week,07:31
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skraynev_I thought, that he wanted to do it07:31
ramishra_We don't seem to have a blueprint for it. Yeah, I'll check with him.07:32
ramishra_or at least a bug to track it.07:32
skraynev_ramishra_: +1 for it07:33
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ramishra_skraynev_:  when pas-ha would be back? next week?07:34
skraynev_ramishra_: he is in vacation for this week, but you may send a mail him with question or wait next week and catch him in IRC07:34
ramishra_sure,  Will do07:34
skraynev_ok. let's finish for now :)07:36
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skraynev_thank you all07:36
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BobBall#startmeeting XenAPI09:34
openstackMeeting started Wed Jan  6 09:34:25 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is BobBall. Information about MeetBot at
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BobBallMorning! roll call - johnthetubaguy huazhihao huanxie jianghuaw09:34
huanxieMorning Bob09:34
jianghuawgood morning, All.09:34
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BobBall#link Agenda - as always
BobBall#topic Blueprints / reviews09:35
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BobBalljohnthetubaguy: Just to confirm, does N blueprints open around M-2 or is it M-3?09:35
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johnthetubaguyit varies, often as soon as we pick the N name09:37
johnthetubaguyits usually about the time of the midcycle recently, well just after it09:37
BobBallOK.  We've got a bunch of things we want to do in N so want to try and get into the process early09:37
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BobBallI think that was all I wanted to ask09:38
BobBall#topic Bugs09:38
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BobBallOne major ask here johnthetubaguy - now that blueprints are out of the way, could you review ?09:39
BobBallIt's blocking a number of other bugfixes and is at the base of a series as well09:39
BobBallIt is isolated though - just a bunch of changes that involve the networking09:40
johnthetubaguyI can try take a look09:40
johnthetubaguyI am no expert in that vif stuff09:40
BobBallWell in summary - the problem is that the XenAPI driver doesn't really conform to the API's expectations09:40
johnthetubaguyI hope to get to the priority etherpad ASAP09:40
BobBallVIF.plug doesn't currently do a plug09:41
jianghuawhi Bob, it seems we still have something to do to cover the resize scenario.09:41
johnthetubaguythat whole area seems a bit odd a mystical last time I looked09:41
jianghuawthe issue was found these two days.09:41
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huanxiejohnthetubaguy & BobBall: For this patch, today we found we would add a new patch for VIF.plug09:41
johnthetubaguys/odd a/odd and/09:41
BobBallOh hang on - is that on the base VIF.plug?  I thought that was on the Neutron interim network change?09:42
jianghuawboth need change.09:42
BobBallPlease -1 on the VIF change then09:42
huanxieI will -1 and add comments09:42
BobBallsorry johnthetubaguy - it's clearly not ready for core review.  It will be in a day or two though :)09:42
BobBallThe other bug fixes all really depend on that base VIF change09:43
BobBallso there isn't much else to discuss here is there?09:43
* BobBall looks at huanxie and jianghuaw 09:43
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huanxieBobBall: I don't have others for discussion09:44
BobBall#topic AOB09:44
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BobBallI suspect a short meeting today then until we can get that VIF patch series better understood09:45
BobBallAnything else, or shall we close?09:45
jianghuawnone for me.09:46
BobBallLet's close early then.  Thanks all.09:46
johnthetubaguyI am happy09:46
huanxieno more for me09:46
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BobBallThanks all09:46
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dguitarbite#startmeeting training-labs10:31
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rluethiso, discuss pending patches?10:32
rluethihey, egallen!10:33
rluethiI looked at your patch this morning. LGTM, but needs a "-y".10:34
rluethiOtherwise, yum will hang there.10:34
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dguitarbiteHello, good to see you.10:35
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dguitarbitemy net is not reliable! rluethi can you host the meeting?10:35
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rluethidguitarbite: I am not sure you can switch the host mid-meeting, but I'll do my best.10:36
dguitarbitehi again10:36
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dguitarbiterluethi: no worries. Ill try my best. lets continue10:36
rluethidguitarbite: I added a comment/question re: one of your liberty updates.10:36
dguitarbiterluethi: checking10:36
dguitarbiterluethi: fair enough, Ill update the patch.10:37
dguitarbiteanything else for Liberty patch?10:38
rluethidguitarbite: the races in private/public network config are still there, of course.10:38
rluethiWhen I tried to look into it, I stumbled over other issues that needed fixing first.10:39
rluethi(host-side code)10:39
dguitarbiteYes, I see some patches from your side. I wonder if they are more important than Liberty release urgency wise/10:39
rluethiThe i386 is not urgent at all. Well, I only have a month or so to test with a Google Compute Engine. It would be nice to find out why it is extremely slow.10:41
rluethiNo relation to Liberty, though.10:41
rluethiI have some other patches pending. One bug fix that may be necessary for Liberty.10:42
dguitarbiterluethi: Not sure but I think google compute engine uses something like containers/zero-vm/thread based encapsulation10:42
rluethidguitarbite: It is orders of magnitude slower than a VirtualBox environment on a laptop.10:43
dguitarbiteanything important for liberty patch? I want to discuss on the upcoming Fedora support with egallen.10:43
dguitarbiterluethi: I agree.10:43
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dguitarbiterluethi: I think we should take that topic off meeting.10:43
rluethidguitarbite: It is on the agenda :)10:44
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egallendguitarbite: I’m testing Liberty10:44
rluethianyhow, wrt to Liberty:10:44
egallendo I’ve to maintain a kilo release also ?10:44
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rluethiif you try to run additional scripts on nodes that you set up previously, you will run into problems.10:45
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rluethiBasically, once you start init for a new node, you cannot run any scripts on earlier nodes.10:45
dguitarbiteegallen: Its your call, but I strongly recommend starting with Liberty10:45
egallenOK, I start with Liberty10:46
dguitarbiterluethi: I'm confused.10:46
dguitarbiteegallen: If you could get the state of CentOS support where it installs the OS and makes it ready for * Openstack Release, then I can help you out with adding Liberty support.10:47
rluethidguitarbite: you can do this: init controller, scripts controller, init compute1, scripts compute 1. But after init compute1, you can no longer run a script on controller.10:47
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dguitarbiterluethi: Unless ofcourse via. ssh, but yes you are right.10:47
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rluethidguitarbite: the problem is that the host-side scripts only set the ssh configuration once, during init.10:48
dguitarbiterluethi: is it really very important?10:48
dguitarbiterluethi: I would focus working on the python ports for these features.10:49
rluethidguitarbite: If you have to touch the controller when you add a storage node, it might be.10:49
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rluethidguitarbite: I have a patch for it, though.10:50
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dguitarbiterluethi: I have solved/answered a lof of these questions and have good progress with python port.10:51
dguitarbiterluethi: no need for touching controller. Let me take a look once and tell you if we need to add this feature.10:51
dguitarbiterluethi: Ok, if you have already finished working on this.10:51
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rluethiegallen: IMO the next steps would be to move the yum_* scripts into a scripts/centos subdirectory, and then add the equivalent of and
dguitarbitethen send the patch. I just meant to say that if the features are complex and if we could live without them, its a better idea to push them in the python port.10:52
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dguitarbite#topic CentOS/Fedora Support10:52
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egallenrluethi: I’m preparing yum_* scripts10:52
egallenI’ll make an other specific commit10:53
dguitarbiteegallen: Can you send a patch which creates the CentOS/* folder and the common helper scripts and then another patch which starts work on adding Liberty support.10:53
rluethiegallen: excellent. I suppose you want to submit them with a separate patch.10:53
rluethinot CentOS/, centos/.10:54
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rluethino uppercase letters in paths.10:54
egallenYes I prepare a separate patch, step by step10:54
dguitarbitefor the Liberty patch, we could have similar approach for collaborating like the current one.10:54
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dguitarbiterluethi: yes, small letter paths10:55
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* dguitarbite Pinky on shift is really naughty ;)10:55
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rluethisince we are not breaking any existing centos install, we don't have to do the whole liberty port in one huge patch like we do with ubuntu.10:56
dguitarbiterluethi: egallen its upto you guys, I am fine with both approaches.10:56
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rluethiit's egallen's call.10:57
dguitarbiteanything else on this topic?10:58
egallenI’ll start with Liberty10:58
rluethiwhat I would not recommend writing a huge patch in private and then having to rework it all over.10:58
dguitarbite#infor Egallen is working on CentOS support.10:58
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dguitarbite#info CentOS support with start with Liberty release.10:59
dguitarbite#info Egallen is working on CentOS support.10:59
* dguitarbite typos!!!10:59
dguitarbite#topic Python Port10:59
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dguitarbiteSorry, did I change the topic too early?11:00
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rluethifine with me.11:01
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dguitarbitePython port is being worked on a github repository, we decided to do this as opposed to a feature branch for faster progress.11:02
dguitarbiterluethi: I am working on adding libvirt units and I plan to get libvirt/kvm part done very soon. I would say in the upcoming 2-3 days.11:02
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dguitarbiterluethi: I have a question regarding dependency for ssh. I would like to use paramiko11:03
dguitarbitebut it needs pip to be installed.11:03
rluethiI don't see how we could possibly use pip.11:03
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dguitarbiterluethi: so I assume its a strong no from your side.11:04
dguitarbiterluethi: I will write a wrapper to invoke openSSH via. the terminal11:04
rluethidguitarbite: maybe we'll find a way.11:05
dguitarbiteI have a solution for not using ssh at all for this11:05
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dguitarbiteI would like to implement a simple TCP socket based program to handle interaction with the guest machine.11:05
rluethiIf we can avoid installing additional software on the users system, at least outside of our directory, it should be fine.11:05
dguitarbiteThis would eliminate use of ssh alltogather :)11:05
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dguitarbiterluethi: ok, but this may take some time, esp. for testing so we can use the wrapper around ssh for the time being.11:06
dguitarbite#info dguitarbite will implement a simple TCP socket based client/server protocol for managing interaction with guests.11:07
rluethiwe will still need it to work on Windows, mind you.11:08
dguitarbiterluethi: that is the reason for this topic :) to eliminate "ssh" for windows.11:08
rluethiif we can't write batch scripts, we need to find a solution for Python on Windows.11:09
rluethissh was never needed for windows.11:09
rluethiWindows uses a different mechanism that doesn't require users to install ssh.11:09
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rluethissh is only assumed to be there for Linux and OS X, and that is a safe assumption.11:09
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dguitarbiterluethi: also I found something interesting in disttools! We may not need to use py2exe for generating windows executables :D11:10
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dguitarbiterluethi: I do not want to setup a file share for windows. So ill write a small python deamon running on the guest OS which will allow us to send scripts and run them on the guest without SSH or file system sharing11:11
rluethiand how do you get the script into the VM?11:12
rluethiI mean the daemon.11:12
dguitarbiteusing sockets!11:12
dguitarbiteahh, we install it via. preseed/ks files11:12
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rluethiMaybe we should have multiple PoCs.11:13
rluethiOne for architecture, others for trying out mechanisms like this.11:13
dguitarbiterluethi: dont worry about this, I will work on this after we finish the python port11:13
rluethiThat is impossible.11:13
dguitarbitetill then I am planning to do a 1:1 clone (feature/dependency wise)11:13
rluethiThe python port cannot be finished before these issues are solved.11:14
dguitarbitessh for mac/linux and fire share for windows11:14
dguitarbiterluethi: that is not a issue. I just wanted to be more pythonic rather than writing a wrapper around commands in the userspace.11:14
rluethiah, okay, a clone is great.11:14
rluethiWell, due to our mission, we do some things in a less Pythonic way.11:15
dguitarbiteyes, but there is no simple command to do this clone ;) ... that ironically makes it more fun.11:15
dguitarbiterluethi: yes, that is right. It hurts sometimes to make this sacrifise though.11:15
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rluethiI kinda like the fact that I can write out a vbm.log or virsh.log that devs and users can try on the shell.11:15
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dguitarbiteanother point I wanted to discuss is designing the configuration files and API for the python port. I assume we need to discuss this over a weekend of hacking.11:17
rluethiIf we wanted to go all Pythonic, we could also stop using the CLI clients on the guest side.11:17
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dguitarbiterluethi: CLI clients ?? Meaning the lib folders etc?11:17
rluethiI'd say keep it simple for now and worry about it laster.11:17
rluethidguitarbite: I mean calling the neutron, openstack and nova clients from the shell rather than some API.11:18
dguitarbiterluethi: that would be against the mission since we have to mimic install-guides.11:18
dguitarbiterluethi: I meant to ask about config/ section. We should take this oppurtunity to re-write the VM confs., things like scripts.*cluster etc. into better ones like JSON or YAML.11:19
rluethiright. we are building something that should be useful for instruction and training, not a demonstration of the Pythonic way.11:19
dguitarbiterluethi: yes, that is true. I would not consider your example to be an argument w.r.t. pythonic way of doing things.11:20
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dguitarbiterluethi: What do you think about configuration files? Shall we discuss this in more detail later on? I think it would make it easier to configure our system and also make it more flexible.11:21
rluethidguitarbite: Like I said, _that_ is something I wouldn't worry about. I _know_ that we will find a decent solution for config files.11:21
dguitarbiterluethi: ok, so we keep that as a new feature after merging python support then.11:21
dguitarbiteIm afraid that after merging python support, we may be overwhelmed by a new variety of bugs for a good part of N release.11:22
rluethiWhat I care most about is knowing that we have a tried solution for every technical (and legal) problem.11:22
dguitarbiterluethi: alright, its clearer for me now :)11:23
dguitarbitelets give a few minutes for other topics.11:23
dguitarbite#topic Any other buiz...11:23
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rluethijust real quick, I'd like to return to nested virtualization.11:23
dguitarbiteyes, tell me?11:24
dguitarbiteDo you mean this for deploying training clusters on public clouds?11:24
rluethiif anyone can make an educated guess why our cluster build is extremely slow on Google Compute Engine, and what we could do to improve it, I'd be grateful.11:24
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rluethiI have a VM with 6.5 GB RAM, 2 cores.11:25
rluethibasedisk build is 7 or 9 hours.11:25
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rluethicluster build takes several days.11:25
rluethiit looks entirely CPU-bound.11:26
rluethiokay, so nested virtualization is slow, there is no hardware virtualization support.11:26
rluethibut an i386 virtualized debian running inside a VirtualBox is a much, much faster _host_ system.11:27
rluethiit shouldn't have hardware virtualization support, either, so where's the speed difference coming from?11:28
dguitarbiteI cannot say the exact reasons. But my educated guess would be with googles hypervisor in their cloud11:28
dguitarbiteI think they dont use virtualization like KVM/XEN ... they have their own thread based container system which is similar to a stripped down hypervisor11:29
dguitarbiteI could be wrong too ... but that is IMHO the reason for bad performance for our work load because its optimized for running applications not entire VMs in there.11:29
rluethiI suspect it might be something obvious that I'm overlooking.11:30
rluethianyhow, time is up11:30
dguitarbiteAnd I believe, there is nothing we could do to fix it from our side unless we run the scripts directly Google Compute Instances.11:30
dguitarbiterluethi: yes you are right.11:30
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dguitarbitesee you guys. thanks for attending the meeting.11:30
egallenBye \o/11:30
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Khayamanybody from tricircle12:55
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zhiyuan_hi, i am from tricircle12:57
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KhayamI am reading the tricircle blueprint12:59
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joehuanghi Khayam12:59
joehuanglet's start the meeting12:59
Khayamand in  pod table what is meant by12:59
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joehuangpk is primary key13:00
joehuangfk is foreign key13:00
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joehuanguk is unique key13:00
joehuang#startmeeting tricircle13:00
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joehuang#topic rollcall13:01
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joehuang#info joehuang13:01
zhiyuan_#info zhiyuan13:01
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joehuanghi zhipeng13:01
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joehuangis it clear for fk/pk/uk13:02
zhipenghi joehuang13:02
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joehuang#topic design and progress13:03
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joehuanghi, Zhiyuan, how things going13:03
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zhiyuan_i'm working on the l3 functionality. I am going to divide it into two patches13:04
joehuanglet's look at the todo list first13:04
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joehuanghow to divide the patches13:05
joehuanghow to divide the patches, zhiyuan13:05
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joehuangyour network seems to be not stable13:05
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zhiyuan_in the first patch, our tricircle neutron plugin will create bridge vlan network, bottom pod router and attach interfaces to router13:06
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zhiyuan_in the second patch, xjob will configure extra route to connect the bottom routers in two pods13:07
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joehuangis the network with VM attached also included in the first patch13:08
joehuangexcept the bridge network13:08
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zhiyuan_since we introduce network az, subnet can be attached to router without hosting a vm, in my implementation, plugin will create the related bottom network, subnet if they doesn't exist13:09
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joehuanggood, that means the first patch will at least make it testable and workable13:10
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joehuangthe L3 networking is relative a bit complex13:11
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joehuangit's necessary to ensure each patch is workable and testable13:12
zhiyuan_sorry I was offline just now13:12
zhiyuan_and lose the message history13:12
joehuangyes, I can see your network connection was lost13:12
joehuang that means the first patch will at least make it testable and workable13:13
joehuangit's important for each patch is testable and workable13:13
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joehuangwhen will your patch be ready for review13:14
zhiyuan_yes, I have written the unit tests. in the first patch, after DevStack starts, use can attach a subnet to a router and then the bottom network, subnet, port ,etc will be ready13:15
zhiyuan_i think i can submit the patch this Friday13:15
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joehuanglet's look at the TODO list13:16
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joehuangThe phase 1 is almost finished if we look at the TODO list13:17
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joehuanghi, Khayam,  are you still online?13:19
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zhiyuan_i mark no7 as done, joe has done that for me13:20
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joehuangbut not update all, some more description is needed13:20
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joehuangfor cinder part, I would have finished that if I did not delete the source code.13:22
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joehuangI have to rewrite the code, hopefully will be ready for review this friday13:22
joehuangand the site mode has been moved to pod model13:23
joehuangso that tricircle can support big AZ13:23
joehuangthanks for zhiyuan's patch for accelaration for the migration13:24
zhiyuan_cool, will you include DevStack script to deploy top and bottom cinder API in your working patch?13:24
joehuangwill do13:24
joehuangCinder API and cinder-apigw is there, only need to make them work13:25
zhiyuan_yes, need some scripts to make them running on one host13:25
joehuangIt's the first time for Khayam to join the meeting, but his connection is lost.13:27
joehuang#info The phase 1 is almost finished if we look at the TODO list13:29
joehuang#info it's necessary to make sue each patch is workable and testable13:29
zhipengi have a question about the current devstack setup13:30
zhipengthe current script will provide two regions13:30
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zhipengon how many nodes?13:30
joehuangone node13:31
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zhipengit should be possible to have for example two node devstack13:31
zhipengwith the top running tricircle, right?13:31
joehuang#info current devstack only needs one node13:31
joehuangof course13:31
joehuangbut you have to manually register the second region to the keystone of the first node13:32
zhipengcool,i'm looking into a way of vagrant spawning multinode to demo tricircle13:32
joehuangso that all endpoints are visible in one keystone13:32
zhipengokey got it13:32
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joehuangcould you please add the script to Tricircle if you tried two nodes setup successfully13:33
zhiyuan_i am going to write some scripts to help to deploy DevStack in two hosts in my second patch of l3 functionality13:33
zhiyuan_so we can test cross-pod vm connectivity13:33
joehuang#action add scripts for two nodes devstack deployment for mutli-pod support13:34
joehuangmore topic?13:35
zhiyuan_no for me13:35
zhipengnone from my side13:36
joehuangok, let's conclude the meeting13:36
joehuangthanks for attending the meeting13:37
joehuangsee you13:37
joehuanggood night13:37
zhiyuan_good night13:37
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zhipenggood night13:37
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Zarastoryboard meeting in 3 minutes!14:57
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Zarastoryboard meeting!15:00
Zarawho's around?15:00
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ZaraSotK is unwell today, so not him.15:01
Zarahi betherly!15:01
betherlyhi there :)15:01
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Zara#startmeeting storyboard15:02
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Zara# Announcements15:02
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ZaraNot much to announce... this is our first meeting after the holidays!15:03
betherlysure :) hope yours was good!15:03
betherlyhappy new year!15:03
Zarait was, you too! so yeah, we're around again if people have questions etc.15:03
Zara# Urgent Items15:03
ZaraNothing critical, though we have several things in review. Will come back to them15:04
Zarasince I've already written a bunch of notes on current work...15:04
Zara# In Progress Work15:04
Zaraookay, lots here! as I mentioned, SotK is ill this week, so hard to give all the details, but I can link to the patches!15:05
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betherlygreat ok :)15:05
Zara# info several worklists and boards patches awaiting review15:05
Zaramisc patches here (I also need to get to them, sorry!):15:06
Zarathey're various tweaks for UX for making new worklists and boards,15:06
Zarashould make things more usable.15:06
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ZaraSotK's other work in progress as listed in agenda is email notifications-- this is exciting!15:06
Zarawe got a lot done right before the holidays so it might not have been recorded very well...15:06
Zaraanyway, patches currently in review:15:07
betherlywhat is the status on notifications at the moment?15:07
betherlyor is that worth waiting for SotK to be back to ask?15:07
ZaraI have a wall of text on that15:07
Zarathough I think there will be plenty of gaps that SotK can fill in15:07
betherlyawesome thanks!15:08
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Zarawall of text incoming!15:08
Zarato recap about the second patch: we're holding off merging the15:08
Zarabutton for choosing to subscribe to email notifications, because15:08
Zara1) openstack infra is a big storyboard user, and doesn't have15:08
Zarathose notifications enabled in puppet yet (see first patch!), so15:08
Zarait could mislead users into thinking the feature is active.15:08
Zara2) currently there's just one button to turn emails on/off.15:08
Zarawe don't yet have templates for all things that can be updated15:08
Zaravia user preferences, and we don't want to mislead users into15:08
Zarathinking they'll get notifications for those things before that is15:08
Zarathe case. so either we want a bunch of checkboxes for all active15:08
Zarapossible notifications, or we want one box (and notifications will15:08
Zarajust overlap with user preferences).15:08
Zaradidn't want to type all that in realtime, hopefully explains those patches at least15:08
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Zarathings are moving forwards15:08
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Zaraneed to update roadmap in line with that, given that's listed as my current work on the agenda... in practise this week I've been reviewing and working on a misc patch, so I should get back to the roadmap after the meeting15:09
Zara#action Zara to update roadmap after meeting15:10
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SotKYeah, I plan to throw together some more templates and get the plugin configured in storyboard.o.o soon, then we can merge the patch that adds the preference option15:10
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Zara#info notifications are making steady progress!15:11
Zaraa zombie appears!15:11
SotKsure feels that way :)15:11
Zara:( hope you feel better soon15:11
Zaraalso hope you didn't catch my cold15:11
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Zarathere are various misc patches from both SotK and myself at15:13
betherlyget well soon SotK15:13
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Zarabtw, I wonder if it's worth it for me to look at doing some of the templates this afternoon? I'd assumed it was a pretty quick job and by the time I'd worked it out you'd've done it, since you'd already started, but if you're ill I could make a start. might just end up duplicating effort, though.15:15
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SotKsounds like a good idea to me :)15:16
Zaraokay, will take a look15:16
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Zara#action Zara will also look at making some email templates15:16
Zarahaha, don't thank me until I manage to make some, lol15:16
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ZaraI think that's all the in-progress stuff...15:17
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Zarano discussion topics listed, so...15:17
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Zara#Open discussion15:17
Zaraanyone have anything they want to discuss?15:17
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betherlyjust to say I'll be around more for reviewing and submitting code in the next couple of weeks once the ironic plugin starts going upstream15:19
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betherlyonce I'm more proactively involved directly I'm sure I'll have more questions and comments moving forward :)15:19
SotKit'll be good to have you around :)15:19
betherlyYe I'm really excited to work with you both15:19
Zarayay! :) if there's anything we can do to help with the ironic plugin, let us know15:20
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Zaraand I'm excited to work with you, too!15:20
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betherlythanks so much :)15:21
SotKme too!15:22
Zara~storyboard is gonna be the very best, that no one ever was~15:22
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Zaraany more things?15:23
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Zaraokay, go back to sleep! or whatever it is you do when you're ill. :P15:24
Zarameeting ends in 5...15:24
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Zarathanks everyone! :)15:25
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smcginnis#startmeeting cinder16:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Jan  6 16:00:22 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'cinder'16:00
ntpttrhi o/16:00
smcginnisHey everyone16:00
diablo_rojoHello :)16:00
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smcginnis#topic Announcements16:01
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jungleboyjHappy Wednesday!16:01
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smcginnis#info python-cinderclient-ext is an official repo now.16:02
smcginnisThis is for the work e0ne has been driver for non-Nova management.16:02
smcginnise0ne: Nice work there!16:02
e0neI'll send e-mail to openstack-dev after meeting16:02
smcginnise0ne: Great. That could be good to get awareness out there.16:03
e0neand will anonce it once more on the ironic meeting16:03
jgriffithe0ne: good job16:03
e0nethanks everybody for the help to get it landed16:03
e0neit was good teamwork16:03
jungleboyje0ne: Cool!16:03
smcginnis#info Midcycle coming up Jan 26-2916:03
smcginnisPlease add your name if attending.16:03
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smcginnisAlso, if you scroll down, there is a section for proposed topics.16:04
smcginnisPlease add anything there.16:04
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hemnaI should have my camera setup with me again16:04
smcginnisI'm sure there won't be a shortage of things to discuss, but it would be useful to have them listed.16:04
hemnaand will try and do the youtube channel streaming of the meetup16:04
smcginnishemna: Sweet. That will be nice.16:04
e0nehemna: it will be awsome!16:04
smcginnishemna: Thanks for doing that.16:04
jungleboyjhemna: Please, no pictures.  ;-)16:04
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smcginnisjungleboyj: Hah, part of the contributor agreement is a media release.16:05
e0nejungleboyj: no pictures or no pictures with you? ;-)16:05
hemnajungleboyj, just sit next to me and you'll be off camera :)  (one of the advantages of being the camera man)16:05
smcginnishemna: ;)16:05
diablo_rojohemna: Dibs on a spot next to you.16:05
jungleboyjhemna: ++16:05
ameadehemna: pretty elaborate way to get jungleboyj to sit next to you16:05
* jungleboyj will take the other side.16:05
DuncanTjungleboyj: Sit on his lap16:05
hemnaameade, lol16:05
jungleboyjameade: is on to me.  Crap!16:05
diablo_rojohemna: You just made yourself incredibly popular.16:06
hemnadiablo_rojo, :P16:06
smcginnis^^ some areas that need focus.16:06
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e0neis any recommended hotel for the last night?16:06
smcginnisI think we're making good progress, but sooner is better than later.16:06
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smcginnise0ne: I'm staying at the one listed.16:06
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scottdaIt seems the spec-review-tracking is evolving to code-review-tracking16:07
e0nesmcginnis: me too. but we have to book additional night to get special price16:07
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smcginnisscottda: Yeah. I know it's a little different than what you were thinking with nova's way.16:07
e0nesmcginnis: do we have list on new drivers on review?16:07
smcginnise0ne: No, I'll see if I can pull that together. Unless someone beats me to it.16:08
scottdasmcginnis: No problem, just making sure reviewers know that this page points to priority code reviews, not just spec reviews16:08
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scottdaat least now that many specs are merged and code is up.16:08
smcginnisscottda: We don't really group review all blueprints and specs are on normal reviews. Maybe we can talk at the midcycle and you can give any suggestions for how you see nova doing things.16:08
smcginnisscottda: I'm certainly willing to try something different.16:09
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scottdasure, we can talk. Just nice to know there is a page that points to priority items, whether spec or code.16:09
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smcginnis#info Bugstats: cinder - 466, cinderclient - 36, os-brick - 1316:10
smcginnisJust for info.16:10
hemnaI checked the os-brick bugs yesterday16:10
hemnathere are only 2 in 'new' status, the rest are in progress basically16:10
smcginnisCinder count really went up, but it appears half of them are now bugs for single character comment typos.16:10
smcginnishemna: Awesome!16:10
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smcginnisOK, that's all I've got to go over.16:11
smcginnis#topic Cinder Multiattach (hemna, ildikov)16:11
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smcginnishemna, ildikov: All yours.16:11
hemnacoolio thanks16:11
hemnaso ildikov has been doing a ton of work in the Nova side of things recently trying to get multiattach to land16:11
hemnashe's finding a lack of help reviewing code over there, so I wanted to raise awareness and see if we can get some folks from Cinder to help doing reviews16:12
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smcginnishemna: Do we have a list somewhere? Or a common topic name?16:12
hemnawe are running up against a Nova deadline soon and I'd like to see her stuff land.16:12
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hemnaildikov should have that list16:12
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hemnaI've been helping as much as I can, but it's a big task on the Nova side of things16:13
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jungleboyjhemna: If we can get a list we can try to get mriedem to help out.16:13
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hemnaas far as Cinder goes, I have a patch up that fixes a multiattach issue for lvm, that also might benefit everyone else16:13
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hemnajgriffith, has given me some feedback on it, and I pushed up a new patch yesterday.  If I could get others to take a look16:14
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hemnaespecially driver maintainers16:14
hemnaildikov, ping16:14
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smcginnisPretty late for her I think.16:15
shyamahemna: for we need to handle terminate_connection as well. not all drivers use remove_export16:15
chhavihemna, I checked the code, we have some comments to handle the same for terminate connection16:15
hemnashe has been up pretty late every day hacking on this16:15
hemnaok, please provide feedback in the patch if you can16:15
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scottdashyama: But should all drivers be using remove_export?16:15
hemnaterminate connection is a bit tricky16:15
chhavihemna: I added the comment please check16:16
hemnasome drivers create a new export for every attach, even for the same volume16:16
hemnaso we'd need terminate_connection to get called16:16
xyang1Lots of drivers don't use remove_export16:16
hemnaxyang1, yup16:16
hemnaI think though, we are supposed to16:16
hemnare: lvm being the reference driver.16:16
ildikovsorry, here16:16
hemnathe lvm driver removes the target at remove_export time16:16
scottdaYes, if a driver doesn't use remove_export to remove the export, is that a driver bug?16:16
smcginnisFor some there isn't a separate export and attach.16:17
hemnaand the 3PAR is one of those as well.16:17
e0nescottda: it should be a driver bug, IMO16:17
ildikovsmcginnis: review topic for the Nova patches:
xyang1hemna: how did you solve that in 3PAR16:17
hemnawe can't use remove_export, because we don't have the connection_info then16:17
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smcginnisildikov: Thanks!16:17
jgriffithumm... why would that be a bug?16:17
patrickeasthemna: yea we've got the same problem16:17
shyamascottda: from what I see most fc drivers are using initialize and terminate connection and not remove export16:17
hemnaxyang1, 3PAR is one of those drivers that creates a new export for every attach.16:17
hemnaso terminate_connection is called every time and it works16:18
hemnaeven for the same volume.16:18
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hemnajgriffith, I think because we are 'supposed' to follow the reference driver and all be doing the same things in the same driver API entry points.16:18
hemnawhich, I think most of us aren't.16:19
jgriffithno, not at all16:19
ildikovsmcginnis: I have johnthetubaguy, mriedem and ndipanov looking at the patches and basically two weeks to land some code16:19
jgriffithremove export actually makes no sense for most16:19
bswartznetapp doesn't exactly create new exports but does create rules so would need terminate_connection to be called as well16:19
Swansonshyama, scottda: Dell driver doesn't use create_export or remove_export.  Simply wasn't enough info being passed to the driver.  (Now, tho, I think there is.)16:19
jgriffithremove_export "removes" the locally created iscsi Target on the cinder volume node16:19
jgriffithThat's what it's intent was16:19
ildikovsmcginnis: the plan is to block more things for the first round and then add support later just to have something that gives us a base scenario to play with16:19
jgriffithother backends don't have a created iscsi target on the cinder node so it's a noop16:19
hemnaSwanson, yah, we had the same problem.  I 'fixed' the create_export problem by adding the connector to it.16:19
smcginnisildikov: +1 Good plan16:19
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smcginnisjgriffith: Agree - it just doesn't apply to some backends.16:20
jgriffithin other words it's exactly as the name would imply "remove the target export"16:20
shyamasmcginnis: i agree , we could it work on it for next round16:20
hemnasure, we do that inside of terminate_connection16:20
chhaviscottda: storwize, emc  drivers uses terminate connection16:20
jgriffithconnection and export are NOT the same thing16:20
hemnafor some of us, they are16:21
ildikovsmcginnis: also would be nice to talk about this with the Nova folks during the mid-cycle16:21
patrickeastjgriffith: +116:21
jgriffithconnection == an iscsi nexus/attachment/session whatever you prefer to call it16:21
jgriffithexport == a local device "exported" via an iscsi (or other) target mechanism16:21
smcginnisRight, some don't have anything to "export". They just need to attach (i.e. create that I-T nexus)16:21
Swansonjgriffith, I took connection to mean connecting to a remote san and export to mean a locally created target.16:21
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jgriffithSwanson: not really16:22
jgriffithSwanson: they're separate components16:22
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jgriffithand this isn't a griffith/cinderism FWIW16:22
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smcginnisSounds like we could spend some time at the midcycle getting everyone on the same page for attach vs export.16:22
jgriffithIt's kind of a standard thing, and it's why the two parts are separated in Cinder16:22
chhavijgriffith: here by connection we need to avoid deleting the host entry, if the attachment exists.16:23
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jungleboyjsmcginnis: ++16:23
patrickeastwasn't there an effort to document the driver api's? was any of this covered by that?16:23
xyang1smcginnis: should be added to the driver doc that eharney is working on16:23
jungleboyjI feel like this has come up before.16:23
e0nesmcginnis: +116:23
jungleboyjxyang1: +116:23
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hemnasure, but I think in order for that to really work for some backends, we also need the connector at remove_export time.16:23
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jgriffithjungleboyj: yeah, I feel like I write stuff and talk about this stuff a lot16:23
smcginnisxyang1: Yep! :)16:23
hemnafor all the same reasons we needed it at create_export time.16:23
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hemnawe can't even find the export unless we have the connector.16:23
jgriffithhemna: my point was actually that you probably don't need remove_export, you're most likely using it wrong16:24
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hemnain our case, we don't use it at all.16:24
jgriffithhemna: unless on your device (and you may) you are actually saying "hey... delete this target"16:24
jgriffithhemna: me neither16:24
jgriffithhemna: until some bozo put it in an ABC class :)16:24
jungleboyjThis all came up around issues with live migration, didn't it?16:24
hemnawe nuke the target at terminate_connection time.16:24
Swansonhemna, ditto.  create_export is more useful.16:24
Swansonjungleboyj, yep16:25
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hemnajungleboyj, no, this came up due to a multiattach issue related to lvm16:25
jgriffithI don't think this is constructive any more16:25
hemnathe first detach nuked the lvm target, and other attachments on the same host vanished16:25
jgriffithbasically folks will do what they want and interpret how they choose16:25
jungleboyjhemna: Ok.16:25
jgriffiththat's fair enoug16:25
smcginnisYeah, in the interest of time let's table this for now.16:25
smcginnisWe're making jgriffith sigh a lot. :)16:25
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jgriffithhey.. sighing is ok right?16:26
guitarzanwe might run out of air :)16:26
smcginnishemna, ildikov: Anything else regarding multiattach at this point?16:26
jgriffithBetter than yelling :)16:26
hemnaso provide any feedback on my cinder patch please16:26
smcginnisjgriffith: ;)16:26
hemnaor we can take this up in cinder channel after the meeting16:26
jgriffithguitarzan: LOL16:26
hemnaand I'm sure I can confuse everyone even more there.16:26
jungleboyjjgriffith: You don't let me sigh.  ;-)16:26
ildikovsmcginnis: a favour from me: reviews and any hints if something looks fragile and I didn't realize :)16:27
jgriffithjungleboyj: it's different when you look at me and roll your eyes while I'm speaking :)16:27
smcginnishemna, ildikov: Thanks. Will do ildikov.16:27
hemnaildikov, thanks again for taking up this huge Nova effort.  It helps everyone in Cinder.16:27
smcginnis#topic os-brick local_dev (hemna)16:27
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jungleboyjildikov: Thank you!16:27
smcginnishemna: Still you.16:27
jungleboyjjgriffith: touche16:27
hemnaok, so before the break, I started taking a look at the nova and cinder lvm code16:28
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hemnawe have a lot of duplicate code between the 216:28
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hemnaand the code that jgriffith wrote in cinder/brick/local_dev is really nice compared to the nova code16:28
mriedemi put up a patch at one point that copies some of the cinder lvm code into nova16:28
hemnaso I put together an os-brick patch that pulls that code as well as a cinder removal patch.16:28
e0neNOT: we have the same issue between nova/cinder/glance and RBD stuff16:28
mriedemfor retries and error handling16:28
smcginnishemna: That duplication is the main reason I'm behind it.16:28
hemnaso I just wanted to raise the issue and see if everyone thinks this is a good idea.16:29
smcginnismriedem: Does it just use a small part of the local_dev code?16:29
mriedemi'd have to find it16:29
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smcginnismriedem: Or more importantly, would it be usable on the nova side if we pulled all of that into brick?16:29
mriedemi'd be behind pulling the common code into os-brick and use from there16:30
hemnamriedem, the idea was to get the cinder/brick/local_dev code moved to os-brick first16:30
mriedemsince cinder's was more recent and had nice things16:30
hemnathen get nova to use it16:30
mriedemnice things like what i ported into
hemnamriedem, there were a few missing functions in cinder's code16:30
mriedemi even said "At some point the common code should live in a library like os-brick and then we can avoid the duplication."16:30
smcginnismriedem: Which is a sign that we should probably have one place and not duplicate and be out of sync. :)16:30
hemnathat should be easily ported into os-brick16:31
jgriffithmriedem: :)16:31
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jgriffithso I put a note in hemna 's review last night...16:31
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smcginnismriedem: To be clear, I'm not saying it was a bad thing to do when it was done. We didn't have os-brick then.16:31
mriedemthis was really for the udevadm settle call that cinder has16:31
jgriffithI think it's an ok idea; I'm not sure why "brick" vs an oslo.lvm lib16:31
jgriffithI'm also concerned about a few things...16:31
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mriedemos-brick is owned by cinder cores, oslo things are not16:32
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smcginnisjgriffith: Well, that raises another question I guess. Should os-brick be oslo.brick?16:32
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jgriffith1. When we discussed this a year or so ago I think there was a concensus that this was wayyy too heavy for Nova16:32
hemnamriedem, +116:32
jgriffithtoo much object and abstraction madness16:32
mriedemi don't think oslo cores should own brick16:32
e0nejgriffith: I don't like oslo.lvm because we'll need oslo.rbd later too16:32
jgriffithmriedem: I'm not saying anything about brick :)16:32
jgriffithe0ne: fair enough16:32
hemnaI think the local_dev code you write is clean16:32
smcginnismriedem: I don't either, but raising the question since it is a common library that does somewhat fall under oslo's mission.16:32
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jgriffithe0ne: mriedem hemna and I'm not pushing one vs the other16:32
hemnasmcginnis, the same could be said of os-brick though16:32
mriedemso what's too heavy for nova?16:32
jgriffithhonestly not a big deal to me either way16:32
mriedembrick or cinder's local_dev/lvm?16:33
smcginnishemna: That is what I'm saying. :)16:33
jgriffithI just don't know the motivations here16:33
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mriedemthere is precedent for non-oslo shared libs, like os-win and os-vif16:33
jgriffithmriedem: and the point being that the lvm code is actually more along the lines of what oslo is intended; stable, very low-freq change rate16:33
hemnaanyway, I think it should live in os-brick, as it's owned by the Cinder/Storage folks that have the knowledge.16:33
mriedemagree with hemna16:34
mtaninohemna: +116:34
mriedemoslo libs change way more often than you'd think16:34
jgriffithhemna: yeah, I'm fine with that16:34
smcginnishemna: +116:34
e0nehemna: +116:34
jgriffithbut there's still the bigger point that I raised earlier16:34
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hemnajgriffith, the 'heavy for nova' issue ?16:35
jgriffithbrick/lvm was an interesting experiment on my part with objects... I'm really not certain it was "good" or not16:35
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jgriffithI'd love to make sure eharney is wrapped in on this16:35
hemnaI think you did a great job of it actually.16:35
hemnait's clean16:35
hemnaespecially if you compare it to the nova lvm.py16:35
jgriffitheharney: I think he and mtanino are the other two that have comitted the most blood sweet and tears with me on lvm16:35
smcginnisjgriffith: Yeah, what I've looked at looks good.16:35
jgriffithhemna: mriedem cool, if Nova is ok with the changes and want to move forward this time I'm certainly good with it16:36
* eharney needs to catch up on all of this16:36
mriedemi guess i'm not familiar with the objects talk16:36
mriedemcinder objects?16:36
mriedemif the cinder lvm code is using objects, i'd think those would have to be ported to os-brick also16:37
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hemnafrom what I can tell it's just that object16:37
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mriedemoh so just a class rather than util methods16:37
hemnaI think so yah16:37
jgriffithmriedem: the code itself...16:37
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jgriffithmriedem: at one point the lvm modules were just static helper methods (or embedded in the driver)16:38
mriedemyeah, that's what nova still has16:38
hemnajgriffith, it's far cleaner than the utils code in nova imho.16:38
jgriffithmriedem: now it's based off of a parent VG object16:38
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smcginnisSo just some refactoring required when nova picks up the common code?16:38
hemnabut the VG stuff doesn't need to come into os-brick, nor nova.16:38
jgriffithmriedem: so the result is you have a bit more *process* enforcement, and a bit heavier lift in terms of managing things16:39
hemnajust the local_dev/ object.16:39
jgriffithnot a huge deal16:39
hemnaI'll take on the nova patch if this lands in os-brick16:39
mriedemit looks like it maps (from quickly glancing)16:39
jgriffithhemna: there's no way not to the way I wrote that code.  Everything is off of parent vg object, cuz that's how Cinder works :)16:39
jgriffithanyway... just pointing out that there were concerns from the Nova side in the past that I didn't disagree with16:40
mriedemas long as nova can create the object w/o having to jump through 20 hoops, i think we'd be ok16:40
jgriffithmriedem: sounds good16:40
mriedemcinder has that whole exec helper construct that nova doesn't16:40
mriedembut hemna already crossed that bridge with the os-brick adoption in nova16:40
hemnaNova would just need to pass in the CONF entries at constructor time16:40
jgriffithmriedem: I'd honeslty like that to go away16:40
jgriffithmriedem: it's trouble!16:40
mriedemjgriffith: yeah i'm not crazy about it16:40
hemnawhich could be done with a factory or utils helper16:40
mriedemmakes it seem pluggable which it probably shoudn't be16:41
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jgriffithmriedem: indeed... and causes weird things with rootwrap and inheritance16:41
jgriffithobsufication for obsufication purposes :)16:41
mriedemright, there could be other rootwrap filter/privsep implications here16:41
smcginnisSo it sounds like there are some details to work out, but we are in general agreement?16:41
jgriffithmriedem: there are16:41
mriedemsmcginnis: i think so16:41
hemnaprivsep will eventually move rootwrap out16:41
hemnabut it's not ready yet16:41
mriedemprivsep is supposed to be coming along16:41
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jgriffithsmcginnis: "some" details is an understatement IMO :)16:41
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hemnaangus has a WIP patch in os-brick already for a first stab at privsep16:42
e0neprivsep will be ready not earlier than N release16:42
hemnafor a small piece of it.16:42
smcginnisjgriffith: That's cinder in general. We just have to work out some details. :)16:42
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jgriffithsmcginnis: True That!!16:42
smcginnishemna: Good enough for now? Should we move on?16:42
mriedemi think we know the detials16:42
hemnayah I'm done.16:42
hemnaso I'll take the os-brick patch out of WIP16:42
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hemnaI have a BP up that I posted yesterday for it.16:43
smcginnismriedem: :)16:43
smcginnishemna: Awesome, thanks!16:43
hemnamriedem, heh nice.16:43
smcginnis#topic Cinder Code Cleanup Patches (e0ne)16:43
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smcginnise0ne: Your turn.16:43
jgriffithJust please don't miss phase-1 :)16:43
smcginnisjgriffith: LOL16:43
e0neshould we follow "'code_cleanup_batching" process now?16:44
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e0neI see a lot of small cleanup/refactoging patches for cinder16:44
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smcginnisMost I've seen didn't conflict with anything, so I've been letting those through.16:45
DuncanTe0ne: For any vaguely sizeable patch, I think we should follow it16:45
smcginnisI guess I'm not of a strong opinion.16:45
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e0neDuncanT, smcginnis: what about patches like "Fix 'an' article usage?16:46
smcginnise0ne: They should die a horrible and painful death.16:46
smcginnise0ne: :)16:46
smcginnise0ne: Especially if a bug has been filed for each individual patch!16:47
DuncanTe0ne: for one liners, I've just been firing them in, but maybe batching them will put people off posting them?16:47
winston-dI heard that's the new trend in all openstack projects.16:47
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smcginniswinston-d: Which?16:47
winston-dfixing 'an'16:47
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smcginniswinston-d: Ah. The great "an" scourge of 2016.16:47
hemnaI think die die die is in order.16:48
scottdaThat's an bad idea IMO16:48
patrickeasteasy way to boost stats16:48
jungleboyjsmcginnis: Even diablo_rojo isn't that picky.  ;-)16:48
e0nepersonally, I don't like to review 2-3 lines patches wich doesn't fix real bugs16:48
smcginnisjungleboyj: Hah!16:48
hemnajungleboyj, I dunno about that.16:48
hemnae0ne, +216:48
diablo_rojohemna: Ouch.16:48
e0neit's waste of time16:48
smcginnise0ne: Agree.16:48
patrickeaste0ne: +116:48
jungleboyje0ne: I don't care that much.  If it is small and someone wants to try to fix it, I will hit the button.  But whatever.16:49
winston-dpatrickeast: yup, that's most likely the motivation behind this.16:49
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smcginnisBut then on the other  hand, if we go through this batch cleanup processing that adds potentially more wasted time rather than just letting them through.16:49
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smcginnisSo I'm not sure what's better.16:49
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diablo_rojoI dont think it would be so bad if it was all getting fixed in a single patch.16:49
hemnayou can just ignore them16:49
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smcginnisjungleboyj: I'm kind of at that point too.16:49
e0nehemna: :)16:49
hemnawe have a priority list anyway that we should be looking at.16:49
hemnaif you want extra review stats padding, then go for it.16:49
jungleboyjhemna: True.16:49
smcginnishemna: ++++116:49
e0nehemna: agree16:49
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jungleboyjhemna: Agreed.16:50
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e0nelet's summurize our discussion16:50
sheelI would suggest to add BP for each such category : python3, pep8 etc16:51
smcginnisSo I think we're saying - if it's a significant enough cleanup patch, it's at the cores discression whether to batch it?16:51
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e0newe won't enforce CinderCodeCleanupPatches with -216:51
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winston-dI've been trying to discourage ppl from submitting such patch, but if that's what they want, whatever.16:51
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e0nesheel: it will be 'in progress' forever16:51
jungleboyjsmcginnis: ++16:51
smcginnise0ne: I think we still can if there's reason to hold it off.16:51
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smcginnisOr if we get 10 patches for the same thing in 10 different files we can push back and have them combine them.16:52
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e0nesmcginnis: fair enouph16:52
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smcginnisI don't know - does that make sense to everyone? Feel free to say otherwise.16:53
hemnae0ne, that's the other issue, is the bugs associated with such patches, will 'skew' our bug counts.  :(16:54
jungleboyjI think it makes sense that we look to have people collapse patches if they are ridiculous.16:54
smcginnishemna: That I'm definitely against and think we should actively push back on non-bug bugs.16:54
hemnafor that reason alone, I think we should -2 individual patches, and make them do a single bug/patch to fix em.16:54
jungleboyjIf we have some clean-up patches that are large and are going to cause rebase issues, put it into the code clean-up queue.16:54
hemnauseless churn!16:54
smcginnisjungleboyj: +116:54
DuncanThemna: Close the bug with 'not a bug' or something16:55
jungleboyjDefinitely think we need to discourage bugs for simple things.16:55
jgriffithsmcginnis: I prefer they're batched, or just flat out go away :)16:55
e0nejungleboyj: is't just an(# TODO(e0ne): fix article in the following patch) rebase hell16:55
hemnajgriffith, +116:55
sheele0ne : at least for pep8 issues we can raise one BP and fix all in one go to avoid multiple patches16:55
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hemnae0ne, :)16:55
jgriffithI've watched some of those "cleanup" patches that just flip fop things 3 times over the last 4 years16:55
smcginnisjgriffith: So keep the policy we should have been following?16:55
e0nejgriffith: +116:55
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jgriffithsmcginnis: maybe... but honestly sometimes it's just easier to not fight it16:56
smcginnisjgriffith: Very true16:56
jgriffithsmcginnis: but, that being said... if we clearly agreee and document what we expect... well then that's easy16:56
jgriffiththe problem is we've never done that before, so it's kind of an individual thing16:57
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e0ne3 mins reminder16:57
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smcginnisOK, how about we try to get back to enforcing CinderCodeCleanupPatches. But it can still be at a core's discretion to push something through if it seems like it's going to be easier not to go through the hoops?16:57
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winston-dsmcginnis: +116:58
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jungleboyjsmcginnis: More work on the cores, but that is probably best.16:58
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jungleboyjIsn't really worth fighting over.16:58
smcginnisOK, makes sense then I guess.16:58
jgriffithsmcginnis: works for me16:58
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xyang1smcginnis: that's fine16:58
e0nesounds good16:58
jgriffithsmcginnis: LOL... "I guess"16:58
jgriffiththe disclaimer there :)16:58
smcginnisAlright, I'll try to remember. :)16:59
ntpttrsorry! cat on keyboard16:59
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smcginnisOK, times up.16:59
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smcginnisDon't forget to midcycle planning.16:59
smcginnisThanks everyone!16:59
jungleboyjntpttr: Oh, I miss those days.16:59
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jlvillal#startmeeting ironic_qa17:01
openstackMeeting started Wed Jan  6 17:01:12 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is jlvillal. Information about MeetBot at
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'ironic_qa'17:01
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* jlvillal is always unsure if to call it 'ironic-qa' or 'ironic_qa'. Something to do with how eavesdrop creates the directories17:01
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krtaylorjlvillal, -qa I believe17:02
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krtayloroh, and ...  o/17:03
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jlvillalHello krtaylor.17:03
mjturek1hello! o/17:03
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jlvillal#topic Announcements17:04
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jlvillalI don't have any announcements.17:04
jlvillalBesides welcome back and get to work! :)17:04
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jlvillalAnyone else have anything to announce?17:05
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jlvillalOkay moving on17:05
jlvillal#info No announcements17:05
jlvillal#topic Grenade testing17:05
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jlvillal#info jlvillal has been working on trying to simulate the devstack-gate environment as specified at
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jlvillal#info In hopes of speeding up the iteration speed on changes to Grenade17:07
jlvillalAnyone have anything to add for Grenade?17:07
jlvillal#info Looking for people who have experiencing setting up devstack-gate to answer questions17:07
jlvillalMoving on in17:07
jlvillal#topic Functional testing of openstack/ironic17:08
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jlvillal#info jlvillal focused on Grenade testing at the moment.17:08
mjturek1jlvillal: so haven't had much time to look over your original patch set, but me krtaylor and maurosr are hoping to help with that17:08
jlvillal#info If anyone would like to work on functional testing for openstack/ironic, please let jlvillal know17:09
mjturek1we've been more focused on getting our CI running17:09
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jlvillalmjturek1, Awesome. Any help would be greatly appreciated :)17:09
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mjturek1jlvillal: I'll probably have a funch of questions for you sometime soon17:09
krtayloryeah, we have to get past some downstream work first17:09
jlvillalI've been fighting with devstack-gate this week.17:09
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jlvillalThanks. Looking forward to when y'all have free time available.17:10
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jlvillal#info mjturek1, krtaylor, and maurosr are hoping to be able to work on functional testing soon.17:10
jlvillalMoving on in17:11
jlvillal#topic 3rd Party CI - krtaylor17:11
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jlvillalkrtaylor, I'll give this one to you :)17:11
jlvillalkrtaylor, Any updates?17:11
krtaylorsure, not much to say17:12
krtaylorbeen on vacation17:12
jlvillalWe can say no updates17:12
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krtaylorbut expect a patch from me soon, get the docs started17:12
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jlvillalkrtaylor, Can you hashtag-info that?17:12
krtaylor#info Third-party CI docs patch underway17:13
krtaylorI would like to get input from some of the other teams doing their CI standup17:13
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krtaylorbut that's about it for now17:13
jlvillalGreat. Also there is a general openstack-qa meeting which I have been wanting to attend.17:14
jlvillalOkay, moving on in17:14
krtayloryes, great source of info, tempest focused17:14
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jlvillal#topic Open Discussion / General QA topics17:14
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jlvillalDoes anyone want to discuss anything?17:14
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jlvillalI'll give it 30 more seconds without a response17:15
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mjturek1jlvillal: I have a patch that I'd like some eyes on
mjturek1Ironic was asked to not have so many timeouts in tempest, I hope this qualifies as relevant to the meeting17:16
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jlvillal#info Reviews desired on which is patch to consolidate the timeouts used by Ironic in Tempest17:16
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jlvillalmjturek1, Thanks. At the moment I don't know much about tempest, but can see what I can figure out17:17
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jlvillalAnything else from anyone?17:17
krtayloralso, since we are almost ready to turn on our testing, I was going to list our "driver" as pxe_ipmi (ppc64) as we do with nova libvirt17:17
krtaylorgoes back to the old platform vs driver discussion17:17
krtaylorbut we will also move to IPA soon17:18
mjturek1krtaylor: sorry, list it where specifically?17:18
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jlvillalkrtaylor, Okay. Do you want us to make a note of that in this meeting?17:18
krtaylorin the list of tested drivers17:18
mjturek1krtaylor: gotcha thanks17:18
krtaylornot unless there is an objection I guess17:18
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jlvillalNo objection from me.17:18
jlvillalAnything else from anyone?17:19
jlvillalThanks everyone!17:19
mjturek1Thanks! Happy New Year17:19
krtaylorhappy new year everyone!17:19
jlvillalHave a great morning, day, evening, night!17:19
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notmynameswift team meeting time21:00
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notmyname#startmeeting swift21:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Jan  6 21:00:24 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:00
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notmynamehello, everyone. who's here for the swift meeting?21:00
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notmynameGuest56516: ho?21:01
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notmynamegreat to see everyone!21:01
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mattoliverauhurricanerix seems excited21:01
notmynameit's been a while since we've met. I hope your 2015 ended well21:02
notmynamemattoliverau: why wouldn't he be? isn't this your week's high point? it's swift team meeting time!21:02
wbhuberit did.  it got us here. :)21:02
hurricanerixmattoliverau: i am always excited!21:02
mattoliverautrue, though I'n under cafeinated for this time of the morning21:02
notmynameI was out for two weeks, so I'm still catching up and remembering all the stuff going on :-)21:03
notmynamea couple of things to note21:03
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notmynamefirst, sometime in the last 2 weeks, we hit 500 total contributors to swift (unique patch authors + reviewers)21:03
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notmynamethat's really cool!21:03
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notmynamegraph at
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notmynamethe other thing is I took some time this mornign to update the review dashboard21:05
notmynamenew features from the new gerrit give us some more functionality21:05
mattoliverauoh really21:05
notmynamethe biggest change is the "small things" section21:05
notmynamethat's 10 patches that are less than 10 lines each21:06
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mattoliverauahh nice21:06
* acoles is busy breaking his patches down into smaller ones21:06
notmynameI hope maybe we can use that to quickly close them. like if you've got a few minutes before a meeting and can do something small21:06
cschwedeso we split our patches in subsets of 9LOC, and they will merged semi-automatically?21:06
notmynamecschwede: exactly!21:06
notmynamei limited it to 10. there's soemthing like 60 or 70 that are that size21:07
acolesnotmyname: i am glad to see the priority reviews are still at the top21:07
notmynamethe query is "delta:<=1021:08
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notmynameyeah, a couple of other changes there21:08
joeljwrightnice to see swiftclient in there too21:08
cschwedenotmyname: that dashboard looks good!21:08
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notmynameI filtered out all the ones that have a merge conflict21:08
notmynamejoeljwright: it's always been there ;-)21:08
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notmynameif you want to see the definitions, I proposed them upstream at
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notmynamethis is in line with the bigger-picture stuff I'm working on21:10
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notmynamewe've got a lot going on. lots of people working on lots of different stuff21:10
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notmynamebut unlike eg storage policies or erasure codes, there's not this One Big Thing (tm) that everyone is doing21:10
notmynamethe closes we have now is the crypto work, but it's not got as much attention from everyone, honestly21:11
notmynameso the thing I'm working on, in general, is to help us all understand the things being done and tie it together21:11
notmynameI've got a couple of other things that I'm working on, and I hope they pan out and I can share them soon21:12
notmynamebut, I need your help :-)21:12
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notmynameto know what's going on, what you think is important, and overall how we're moving swift forward21:12
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cschwedewhere/how do we share our bits of interest?21:13
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cschwedenotmyname: send a mail to you?21:13
notmynamethat would be great for long-form stuff. also IRC (public or pm) is fine21:14
notmynameI'd be happy to call you too. :-)21:14
notmynameso that's where my head is recently. I hope some minor changes (like the "small things" dashboard section) can help us keep momentum going on all the upstream work and tie it together21:14
notmynameany thoughts, questions, or comments about any of that?21:15
notmynameoh, and I think all of you should have my email, but it's if you don't21:16
cschwedegood idea! more during the call ;)21:16
mattoliverauWell I think the small things is a great idea.21:17
notmynamethe hackathon is coming up. I think we can open up the registrations publicly next week21:17
mattoliverauas for talking, I think you should fly down here so we can talk in person.. maybe next month :P21:17
acolesnotmyname: as well as the small things momentum, we need to not lose sight of the long running "big items"21:17
notmynamemattoliverau: great idea ;-)21:17
notmynameacoles: of course! and that's the trick, right? :-)21:17
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acolesnotmyname: so i suggest you keep prodding us on those :)21:17
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notmynameacoles: ok. will do :-)21:18
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notmynameacoles: how's fast-post coming? ;-)21:18
acolesoh boy21:18
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notmynameok, so acoles (when he's not doing fast-post) has got a cool hotel room block for us and is working on good evening stuff one night21:18
acolesnotmyname: i was thiniking sharding, concurrent gets....21:18
notmynameacoles: that's all mattoliverau21:19
acolesyeah but we have to review it21:19
* acoles is pointing at self21:19
mattoliverauumm. yeah... :P21:20
acolesnotmyname: all: i should have hotel info out this week. holidays held things up.21:20
notmynameoh, kinda on the same general topic... be thinking about the specs. how's it working for you now? what should change (if anything)?21:20
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notmynameI don't want to discuss now, but it would be a good hackathon topic, I think21:21
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notmynamewe've been using them for about a year or so now. so it's good to see if it's still valuable or not21:21
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mattoliverauacoles: do you have one of those remote virtual robot things and I can control from here? ;)21:21
notmynameso be thinking about it. and if you don't like something, then what you'd change or do differently21:21
acolesmattoliverau: sock puppet? ;)21:22
notmynameso on to the meeting agenda stuff...21:22
mattoliveraua mattoliverau sock puppet would be awesome21:22
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notmynamebecause of the holidays I don't have any particular patches to highlight. other than just "go review the starred ones"21:22
notmynamebut there are a couple of things that have been added to the agenda21:23
notmynameeranrom: because of timezones, let's start with the bug you added21:23
notmyname#topic bug 141990121:23
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openstackbug 1419901 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "container-sync checks invalid ClientException" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Eran Rom (eranr)21:23
notmynameeranrom: what's up? what do you want to discuss about it?21:23
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eranromWell, for us (IBM) its kind o critical bug so as to deploy in production21:24
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eranromalthough > 10 LOC still a small patch21:24
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notmynameah, ok. important bug. breaking things. you have a patch. needs reviews21:24
notmynamepatch 26020421:24
patchbotnotmyname: - Container-Sync to check the right client exception21:24
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notmynameeranrom: is that about right?21:25
eranromright. so would love to see it also in 2.5.1. BTW  thanks a lot to acoles and mattoliverau for reviewig the other containr sync stuff21:25
notmynameeranrom: ah? as a backport? or just "in the next release"?21:25
eranromnext release. BTW - do we know when it will happen (next release)21:26
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Guest56516is it simular with patch 256306?21:26
patchbotGuest56516: - Fix ClientException handling in Container Sync21:26
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eranromapparently yes :-)21:27
eranromOnly I made the change in container sync and 256306 fixes this in SimpleClient21:28
notmynameGuest56516: (ho) eranrom it would be great for the two of you to mutually co-review and see if the patch needs to be combined or not21:28
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Guest56516notmyname, eranrom: sure.21:29
acolesi added a link to on the bug report21:29
notmynameeranrom: I starred your patch, too.21:29
notmynameacoles: thanks21:29
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notmynameand bug marked as critical so it will be noticed before a release. I'd like to see it included too21:30
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notmynameho: yay. thanks21:30
notmynamefor the nick change ;-)21:30
notmynameeranrom: anything else there?21:30
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eranromnotmyname: great, thanks!21:31
acolescome back ho!21:31
Guest36234notmyname: sorry for it.21:31
notmyname#topic PUT/COPY with range21:31
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notmynamekota_: this is one you added to the agenda21:31
kota_my turn21:31
notmynameI think I saw some IRC scrollback about this21:31
notmynamewhat's up?21:31
kota_during i was reviewing a patch, i found that21:32
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kota_here, i'd like to talk on "PUT with X-Copy-From" (not COPY) to clarify my description.21:32
kota_at first, currently swift *can* work with PUT X-Copy-From with Range header21:33
kota_to make a partial copied object21:33
notmynamesince that gets passed to the backend GET and the response is the body of the new object21:33
kota_however i was wondering the "Range" should be on GET, semantically it suggests the range to retrieve the object.21:34
kota_and i found the RFC about that21:34
kota_at RFC723321:34
kota_at section 3.121:34
-kota_- A server21:34
-kota_- MUST ignore a Range header field received with a request method other21:34
-kota_- than GET.21:34
kota_it looks to violate the RFC and no docs in Swift api.21:35
kota_either is fine, to keep current or do something but i'd like to confirm opinions from swifters.21:36
notmynameyou had 2 or 3 options in the agenda proposed21:36
mattoliverauBut a PUT does ignore the Range header, so that's fine right?21:36
notmynamemattoliverau: yeah21:36
notmynameoption 1: keep current behavior and update docs21:36
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kota_if someone already use it and be hurt with change, we should keep current behavior like quoted etag, i think21:36
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notmynameoption 2: disallow/ignore range on non-GET and support the same functionality a different way (query param?)21:37
kota_if so, i just push a patch to update docs, yes swift support this semantics.21:37
kota_and next is21:37
kota_to make swift to ignore the Range header at PUT request acorrding to RFC21:38
kota_and make a new header (e.g. X-Copy-Range?) to support this functionality.21:38
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notmynamemy vote would be for option1. keep current behavior and update the docs to show that we support it21:39
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mattoliverauSo a COPY comes in, it becomes a GET and PUT, the range header is not ignored in the GET (correct) and _is_ ignored in the PUT (correct) so I think only docs need to change if they (the docs) aren't correct.21:39
acoleshmmm, so does "ignore" allow for passing the header on to the GET request, or does "ignore" strictly mean discarding it?21:39
acolesmattoliverau: yes, same as I am thinking21:39
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acolesnotmyname: +1, leave as is and document21:40
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mattoliverauI think ignore means ignore the header is there, like any other X-header that swift doesn't know about21:40
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joeljwright+1 for that interpretation of 'ignore'21:40
acolesmattoliverau: so the only "server" that does not ignore it is object server handling a GET21:40
jrichliI would think the spirit of the RFC is referring to the client interface only: they used PUT, and a range header at the same time.  regardless of how the server implements the request21:41
notmynamewhile I agree with your conclusion, my reading of the spec is that the header doesn't affect the result and we're in violation of it21:41
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notmyname(and I'm ok with that)21:41
notmynameseveral people want to keep current behavior. anyone want to argue for dropping current behavior?21:42
notmynamekota_: what do you want to do?21:42
mattoliverauThe header doesn't, the GET gets the data, the PUT is ignoring the header and placing what the GET is giving it.. but sure. either way I vote #1 :)21:42
kota_tbh, it would be good to change behavior but it's ok to keep current one.21:43
acolesnotmyname: i see your point re modifying the result.21:43
timburkei'd like to note that the behavior when multiple ranges are specified is...unlikely to be what a client actually wants. we store the multipart MIME doc (!) that's returned, which feels like a transport detail, rather than the concatenation of the ranges21:43
notmynametimburke: oh yeah. I think that's ugly too21:44
mattoliverauthat's sure multi range is a different kettle of fish21:44
torgomaticlet's not open that kettle of worms21:44
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notmynamewe can dodge it with sloranges21:44
jrichlitorgomatic: but we haven't even mentioned mixing large objects in there yet!21:44
timburkeyup. just pointing out that we may need to change the implementation somewhat *anyway*21:45
notmynamewhat if I do a fast-post with multi-ranges and it references other large objects? in an encrypted cluster?21:45
mattoliverauor in the COPY middleware.. when that's done21:45
jrichliugh ...21:45
notmynameyeah, copy middleware. that's one of those other big things acoles is talking about :-)21:46
acolesnotmyname: depends on backend latency ;)21:46
mattoliveraunotmyname: nice loop back :)21:46
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notmynameacoles: yeah! to tape!21:46
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notmynameso are we in agreement for now? we keep current behavior but we need docs for it21:46
acolesnotmyname: lets notify some other service21:46
mattoliverauand tdasilva can look at fixing multi-range in the COPY middleware :P21:47
kota_ok, i will make a patch to update docs :)21:47
notmyname#agreed keep current behavior but add docs21:47
notmynamekota_: thanks21:47
notmyname#topic open discussion21:47
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notmynameanything else to bring up this week?21:47
timburkein those docs, do we...include warnings about how you should only include a single range? or document the existing multi-range behavior?21:47
onovypatch 23879921:47
patchbotonovy: - Change schedule priority of daemon/server in config21:48
notmynametimburke: sounds like a good review comment ;-)21:48
onovywe talked about it before chrismas21:48
kota_timburke: +121:48
notmynameonovy: that wasn't even this year!21:48
onovynotmyname: :)21:48
onovyso it's realy really old patch? :)21:49
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notmynameonovy: I'd love to have some other ops comments on it, too21:50
notmynameeg donnagh or ahale21:50
notmynamepdardeau: how's the dev_id limit patch?21:51
pdardeaucoming along, working on getting last unit test to pass21:51
acolesnotmyname: i'll ask donagh if he'd take a look21:51
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notmynamepdardeau: cool. I'm looking forward to seeing it21:51
notmynameacoles: thanks21:51
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notmynameacoles: or lorcan21:52
onovy21:34:25 <ahale> hi here o/ yeah thats a good idea imo21:52
notmynameonovy: cool21:52
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onovy21:34:45 <briancline> onovy: I actually asked our ops folks about this recently. we already control these in production through other means, so we're fine with this going in as long as its optional, which it certainly seems to be21:52
notmynameanything else from anyone?21:52
onovynotmyname: last swift meeting logs :)21:52
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notmynameonovy: nice :-)21:52
timburkei'd love to get patch 226897 through; currently, swiftclient can't retry failed segment uploads21:52
patchbottimburke: - Make LengthWrappers resettable if their _readable ...21:52
onovyso conclusion? will look someone to it pls?21:52
joeljwrighttimburke: will take a look21:53
acolestimburke: ack21:53
torgomatic could use examination21:53
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mattoliverauonovy: I'll add it to my review list21:53
timburkethanks joeljwright, acoles21:53
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notmynameonovy: can you add those snippets to the review comments? would help (me at least) not ask the same questions over and over about it :-)21:53
onovymattoliverau: thanks21:53
timburkei'm also curious to know whether tdasilva and cschwede have gotten a chance to really play with patch 21492221:53
patchbottimburke: - Add delete markers to versioned_writes middleware21:53
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onovynotmyname: yep21:53
blmartinI would like to finish out if anyone has time to review. I think its getting close to done21:53
cschwedetimburke: not yet :(21:53
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notmynameblmartin: I think I looked at that already. I should look again21:54
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blmartinthat would be great!21:54
notmynametorgomatic: yes! that's also something Zyric_ is working on21:54
notmyname(the audit watchers)21:54
Zyric_torgomatic: Indeed, considering my work so far is heavily based on your patch I think I owe you a review too :)21:54
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Guest36234I would like to have review on patch 202411 (sorry for my nick)21:55
patchbotGuest36234: - Add functional test for access control (RBAC) with...21:55
notmynameGuest36234: it's on my todo list21:55
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Guest36234notmyname: thanks!21:55
notmynamewe definitely owe you a review on that after the conversation in tokyo21:55
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acolesGuest36234: is that on the <= 10 lines list :) :)21:56
onovyblmartin: done21:56
Guest36234acoles: lol21:56
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* acoles apologises for not reviewing it again yet21:56
Guest36234acoles: np!21:57
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notmynameok. I think we're done with the meeting for this week. thanks for coming21:58
notmynameand thanks for being part of the 509 swift contributors :-)21:58
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