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| skraynev_ | #startmeeting Heat | 07:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 6 07:00:09 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is skraynev_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 07:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 07:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Heat)" | 07:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 07:00 |
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| skraynev_ | #topic rollcall | 07:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: Heat)" | 07:00 | |
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| skraynev_ | I wonder how many people will be? :) | 07:01 |
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| KanagarajM | hi | 07:01 |
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| sirushti | o/ | 07:01 |
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| skraynev_ | shardy ? | 07:01 |
| prazumovsky | hi | 07:01 |
| skraynev_ | KanagarajM: hi :) | 07:01 |
| skraynev_ | sirushti: hi | 07:02 |
| skraynev_ | ramishra_: around? | 07:02 |
| ananta | hi | 07:02 |
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| skraynev_ | ananta: hey | 07:02 |
| KanagarajM | skraynev_: hi :) | 07:02 |
| ramishra_ | hi | 07:02 |
| KanagarajM | wish you a happy new year to all :) | 07:03 |
| skraynev_ | thank you ) you too. | 07:03 |
| sirushti | skraynev, hi | 07:04 |
| skraynev_ | it's the first Heat meeting in this year :) I suppose it will be short | 07:04 |
| skraynev_ | #topic Adding items to agenda | 07:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Adding items to agenda (Meeting topic: Heat)" | 07:04 | |
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| skraynev_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda | 07:04 |
| skraynev_ | Do we have some important notes? | 07:05 |
| ananta | Want to add topic "Enabling convergence by default" | 07:06 |
| skraynev_ | This week is still holidays in RF, so I did not involved in review process now | 07:06 |
| skraynev_ | ananta: Good suggestion, but I'd prefer to move it on next meeting, if you don't mind | 07:07 |
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| ananta | the next one will be midnight for me :( | 07:07 |
| skraynev_ | AFAIK, most part of people have vacations | 07:07 |
| KanagarajM | skraynev_: I came back from vacation today, and will start to review, saw there are many patches got queued. ! | 07:08 |
| skraynev_ | ananta: 23.00 for me :) | 07:08 |
| ramishra_ | skraynev_: if you've not seen the mails, celiemoter/gnocchi broken gate is fixed now, without reverting the devstack patch | 07:08 |
| skraynev_ | ananta: I can raise it instead of you, if you give me more details | 07:08 |
| ananta | skraynev_: yeah, actually 1:30 AM, so bit difficult for me | 07:09 |
| ananta | skraynev_: sure | 07:09 |
| skraynev_ | ramishra_: yeah. It was one of my questions too ;) Huge thanks for your work ;) | 07:09 |
| skraynev_ | KanagarajM: yes. it's true due to NY and Christmas celebrations ;) | 07:10 |
| skraynev_ | ananta: yes. 1.30 AM is really hard. I understand you. I will add this topic for today and for next meeting then | 07:11 |
| KanagarajM | skraynev_: yeah ! :) | 07:11 |
| ananta | skraynev_: ok | 07:11 |
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| skraynev_ | #topic Review priorities | 07:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review priorities (Meeting topic: Heat)" | 07:13 | |
| ananta | skraynev_: thanks for adding the topic | 07:13 |
| skraynev_ | as KanagarajM said we have a lot of patches, so please start review it ;) | 07:13 |
| ramishra_ | ananta: are we ready to enable convergence by default? I see some failures here and there. we've few tests disabled for convergence too. | 07:14 |
| skraynev_ | #topic Enabling convergence by default | 07:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Enabling convergence by default (Meeting topic: Heat)" | 07:14 | |
| skraynev_ | ananta: so what is the status of convergence for now? | 07:14 |
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| ananta | skraynev_: we are seeing the gate jobs passing for a long time | 07:15 |
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| ananta | there are few bugs we should address | 07:15 |
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| skraynev_ | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bugs?field.tag=convergence-bugs&orderby=status&start=0 | 07:15 |
| skraynev_ | looks like it's more then a few | 07:16 |
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| ananta | skraynev_: the important ones re in progress | 07:16 |
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| ananta | there are 2 bugs which are kind of improvements, not blocking any functionality | 07:17 |
| skraynev_ | I personally will be happy to enable it by default when this list will contain 2-3 bugs without High importance | 07:17 |
| ananta | skraynev_: sure, will plan accordingly | 07:18 |
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| skraynev_ | So let's do it more stable and then we can try to enable it | 07:19 |
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| ananta | skraynev_: sure | 07:19 |
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| skraynev_ | ananta: However I agree, it looks really possible to enable it in Mitaka | 07:20 |
| ananta | skraynev_: we should move #1512343 from undecided | 07:20 |
| ananta | skraynev_: yup, I am sure it is | 07:21 |
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| skraynev_ | #link http://docs.openstack.org/releases/schedules/mitaka.html | 07:22 |
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| skraynev_ | According to the schedule, I don't believe, that we can do it before m-2, so if we talk about plan - it should be finished/ready to m-3 | 07:23 |
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| ananta | skraynev_: I am planning m-2 though, lets take a look next week so that we are in better position to make a call | 07:24 |
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| ananta | skraynev_: I am sure quick reviews will definitely help expedite the progress, though we need to urgently address 3 high priority bugs | 07:25 |
| skraynev_ | ananta: I will ask team to focus on this staff. Could you add all convergence related fixes to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-reviews | 07:25 |
| ananta | skraynev_: sure, there is already a link which filters on convergence, but I can add independent patches | 07:26 |
| skraynev_ | ananta: yes, I meant exactly it | 07:26 |
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| ananta | skraynev_: sure | 07:26 |
| ananta | skraynev_: the early we enable, more the testing :) | 07:27 |
| skraynev_ | ananta: I am more skeptical about next week progress. it will be first week after long vacations/holidays, etc... And we should understand, that people need time for involving in work process | 07:28 |
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| skraynev_ | ananta: :) right | 07:28 |
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| skraynev_ | however to do it very early may be not so good too ;) | 07:29 |
| skraynev_ | #topic Open discussion | 07:29 |
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| skraynev_ | anything else ? | 07:29 |
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| skraynev_ | if there is no objections, I suggest to finish ;) | 07:30 |
| ramishra_ | one min. | 07:30 |
| ramishra_ | Wanted to confirm if someone is working on the heat devstack plugin. | 07:31 |
| skraynev_ | ramishra_: sure | 07:31 |
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| skraynev_ | ramishra_: hm. you probably need to ask pas-ha about it on the next week, | 07:31 |
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| skraynev_ | I thought, that he wanted to do it | 07:31 |
| ramishra_ | We don't seem to have a blueprint for it. Yeah, I'll check with him. | 07:32 |
| ramishra_ | or at least a bug to track it. | 07:32 |
| skraynev_ | ramishra_: +1 for it | 07:33 |
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| ramishra_ | skraynev_: when pas-ha would be back? next week? | 07:34 |
| skraynev_ | ramishra_: he is in vacation for this week, but you may send a mail him with question or wait next week and catch him in IRC | 07:34 |
| ramishra_ | sure, Will do | 07:34 |
| skraynev_ | ok. let's finish for now :) | 07:36 |
| skraynev_ | #endmeeting | 07:36 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 6 07:36:53 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 07:36 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2016/heat.2016-01-06-07.00.html | 07:36 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2016/heat.2016-01-06-07.00.txt | 07:36 |
| skraynev_ | thank you all | 07:36 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2016/heat.2016-01-06-07.00.log.html | 07:36 |
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| BobBall | #startmeeting XenAPI | 09:34 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 6 09:34:25 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is BobBall. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:34 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:34 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'xenapi' | 09:34 |
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| BobBall | Morning! roll call - johnthetubaguy huazhihao huanxie jianghuaw | 09:34 |
| huanxie | Morning Bob | 09:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | o/ | 09:34 |
| jianghuaw | good morning, All. | 09:34 |
| huazhihao | Morning | 09:34 |
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| BobBall | #link Agenda - as always https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/XenAPI | 09:35 |
| BobBall | #topic Blueprints / reviews | 09:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Blueprints / reviews (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 09:35 | |
| BobBall | johnthetubaguy: Just to confirm, does N blueprints open around M-2 or is it M-3? | 09:35 |
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| johnthetubaguy | it varies, often as soon as we pick the N name | 09:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | its usually about the time of the midcycle recently, well just after it | 09:37 |
| BobBall | OK. We've got a bunch of things we want to do in N so want to try and get into the process early | 09:37 |
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| BobBall | I think that was all I wanted to ask | 09:38 |
| BobBall | so | 09:38 |
| BobBall | #topic Bugs | 09:38 |
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| BobBall | One major ask here johnthetubaguy - now that blueprints are out of the way, could you review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/254022/ ? | 09:39 |
| BobBall | It's blocking a number of other bugfixes and is at the base of a series as well | 09:39 |
| BobBall | It is isolated though - just a bunch of changes that involve the networking | 09:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | I can try take a look | 09:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am no expert in that vif stuff | 09:40 |
| BobBall | Well in summary - the problem is that the XenAPI driver doesn't really conform to the API's expectations | 09:40 |
| johnthetubaguy | I hope to get to the priority etherpad ASAP | 09:40 |
| BobBall | VIF.plug doesn't currently do a plug | 09:41 |
| jianghuaw | hi Bob, it seems we still have something to do to cover the resize scenario. | 09:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | that whole area seems a bit odd a mystical last time I looked | 09:41 |
| jianghuaw | the issue was found these two days. | 09:41 |
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| huanxie | johnthetubaguy & BobBall: For this patch, today we found we would add a new patch for VIF.plug | 09:41 |
| johnthetubaguy | s/odd a/odd and/ | 09:41 |
| BobBall | Oh hang on - is that on the base VIF.plug? I thought that was on the Neutron interim network change? | 09:42 |
| jianghuaw | both need change. | 09:42 |
| BobBall | Ah | 09:42 |
| BobBall | Please -1 on the VIF change then | 09:42 |
| huanxie | I will -1 and add comments | 09:42 |
| BobBall | sorry johnthetubaguy - it's clearly not ready for core review. It will be in a day or two though :) | 09:42 |
| BobBall | The other bug fixes all really depend on that base VIF change | 09:43 |
| BobBall | so there isn't much else to discuss here is there? | 09:43 |
| * BobBall looks at huanxie and jianghuaw | 09:43 | |
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| huanxie | BobBall: I don't have others for discussion | 09:44 |
| BobBall | OK | 09:44 |
| BobBall | #topic AOB | 09:44 |
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| BobBall | I suspect a short meeting today then until we can get that VIF patch series better understood | 09:45 |
| BobBall | Anything else, or shall we close? | 09:45 |
| jianghuaw | none for me. | 09:46 |
| BobBall | Let's close early then. Thanks all. | 09:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am happy | 09:46 |
| BobBall | #endmeeting | 09:46 |
| huanxie | no more for me | 09:46 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 6 09:46:38 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:46 |
| BobBall | Thanks all | 09:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2016/xenapi.2016-01-06-09.34.html | 09:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2016/xenapi.2016-01-06-09.34.txt | 09:46 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2016/xenapi.2016-01-06-09.34.log.html | 09:46 |
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| rluethi | hey | 10:31 |
| egallen | Hi | 10:31 |
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| dguitarbite | hello | 10:31 |
| dguitarbite | #startmeeting training-labs | 10:31 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 6 10:31:47 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dguitarbite. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 10:31 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 10:31 |
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| rluethi | so, discuss pending patches? | 10:32 |
| egallen | yes | 10:33 |
| rluethi | hey, egallen! | 10:33 |
| rluethi | I looked at your patch this morning. LGTM, but needs a "-y". | 10:34 |
| rluethi | Otherwise, yum will hang there. | 10:34 |
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| dguitarbite | Hello, good to see you. | 10:35 |
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| dguitarbite | my net is not reliable! rluethi can you host the meeting? | 10:35 |
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| rluethi | dguitarbite: I am not sure you can switch the host mid-meeting, but I'll do my best. | 10:36 |
| dguitarbite | hi again | 10:36 |
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| dguitarbite | rluethi: no worries. Ill try my best. lets continue | 10:36 |
| rluethi | dguitarbite: I added a comment/question re: one of your liberty updates. | 10:36 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: checking | 10:36 |
| dguitarbite | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252297/ | 10:37 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: fair enough, Ill update the patch. | 10:37 |
| dguitarbite | anything else for Liberty patch? | 10:38 |
| rluethi | dguitarbite: the races in private/public network config are still there, of course. | 10:38 |
| rluethi | When I tried to look into it, I stumbled over other issues that needed fixing first. | 10:39 |
| rluethi | (host-side code) | 10:39 |
| dguitarbite | Yes, I see some patches from your side. I wonder if they are more important than Liberty release urgency wise/ | 10:39 |
| rluethi | The i386 is not urgent at all. Well, I only have a month or so to test with a Google Compute Engine. It would be nice to find out why it is extremely slow. | 10:41 |
| rluethi | No relation to Liberty, though. | 10:41 |
| rluethi | I have some other patches pending. One bug fix that may be necessary for Liberty. | 10:42 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: Not sure but I think google compute engine uses something like containers/zero-vm/thread based encapsulation | 10:42 |
| rluethi | dguitarbite: It is orders of magnitude slower than a VirtualBox environment on a laptop. | 10:43 |
| dguitarbite | anything important for liberty patch? I want to discuss on the upcoming Fedora support with egallen. | 10:43 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: I agree. | 10:43 |
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| dguitarbite | rluethi: I think we should take that topic off meeting. | 10:43 |
| rluethi | dguitarbite: It is on the agenda :) | 10:44 |
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| egallen | dguitarbite: I’m testing Liberty | 10:44 |
| rluethi | anyhow, wrt to Liberty: | 10:44 |
| egallen | do I’ve to maintain a kilo release also ? | 10:44 |
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| rluethi | if you try to run additional scripts on nodes that you set up previously, you will run into problems. | 10:45 |
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| rluethi | Basically, once you start init for a new node, you cannot run any scripts on earlier nodes. | 10:45 |
| dguitarbite | egallen: Its your call, but I strongly recommend starting with Liberty | 10:45 |
| egallen | OK, I start with Liberty | 10:46 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: I'm confused. | 10:46 |
| dguitarbite | egallen: If you could get the state of CentOS support where it installs the OS and makes it ready for * Openstack Release, then I can help you out with adding Liberty support. | 10:47 |
| rluethi | dguitarbite: you can do this: init controller, scripts controller, init compute1, scripts compute 1. But after init compute1, you can no longer run a script on controller. | 10:47 |
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| dguitarbite | rluethi: Unless ofcourse via. ssh, but yes you are right. | 10:47 |
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| rluethi | dguitarbite: the problem is that the host-side scripts only set the ssh configuration once, during init. | 10:48 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: is it really very important? | 10:48 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: I would focus working on the python ports for these features. | 10:49 |
| rluethi | dguitarbite: If you have to touch the controller when you add a storage node, it might be. | 10:49 |
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| rluethi | dguitarbite: I have a patch for it, though. | 10:50 |
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| dguitarbite | rluethi: I have solved/answered a lof of these questions and have good progress with python port. | 10:51 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: no need for touching controller. Let me take a look once and tell you if we need to add this feature. | 10:51 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: Ok, if you have already finished working on this. | 10:51 |
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| rluethi | egallen: IMO the next steps would be to move the yum_* scripts into a scripts/centos subdirectory, and then add the equivalent of apt_upgrade.sh and apt_pre-download.sh. | 10:52 |
| dguitarbite | then send the patch. I just meant to say that if the features are complex and if we could live without them, its a better idea to push them in the python port. | 10:52 |
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| dguitarbite | #topic CentOS/Fedora Support | 10:52 |
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| egallen | rluethi: I’m preparing yum_* scripts | 10:52 |
| egallen | I’ll make an other specific commit | 10:53 |
| dguitarbite | egallen: Can you send a patch which creates the CentOS/* folder and the common helper scripts and then another patch which starts work on adding Liberty support. | 10:53 |
| rluethi | egallen: excellent. I suppose you want to submit them with a separate patch. | 10:53 |
| rluethi | not CentOS/, centos/. | 10:54 |
| egallen | OK | 10:54 |
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| rluethi | no uppercase letters in paths. | 10:54 |
| egallen | Yes I prepare a separate patch, step by step | 10:54 |
| dguitarbite | for the Liberty patch, we could have similar approach for collaborating like the current one. | 10:54 |
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| dguitarbite | rluethi: yes, small letter paths | 10:55 |
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| * dguitarbite Pinky on shift is really naughty ;) | 10:55 | |
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| rluethi | since we are not breaking any existing centos install, we don't have to do the whole liberty port in one huge patch like we do with ubuntu. | 10:56 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: egallen its upto you guys, I am fine with both approaches. | 10:56 |
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| rluethi | it's egallen's call. | 10:57 |
| dguitarbite | anything else on this topic? | 10:58 |
| egallen | I’ll start with Liberty | 10:58 |
| rluethi | what I would not recommend writing a huge patch in private and then having to rework it all over. | 10:58 |
| dguitarbite | #infor Egallen is working on CentOS support. | 10:58 |
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| dguitarbite | #info CentOS support with start with Liberty release. | 10:59 |
| dguitarbite | #info Egallen is working on CentOS support. | 10:59 |
| * dguitarbite typos!!! | 10:59 | |
| dguitarbite | #topic Python Port | 10:59 |
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| dguitarbite | #link https://github.com/dguitarbite/labs-POC | 11:00 |
| dguitarbite | Sorry, did I change the topic too early? | 11:00 |
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| rluethi | fine with me. | 11:01 |
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| dguitarbite | Python port is being worked on a github repository, we decided to do this as opposed to a feature branch for faster progress. | 11:02 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: I am working on adding libvirt units and I plan to get libvirt/kvm part done very soon. I would say in the upcoming 2-3 days. | 11:02 |
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| dguitarbite | rluethi: I have a question regarding dependency for ssh. I would like to use paramiko | 11:03 |
| dguitarbite | but it needs pip to be installed. | 11:03 |
| rluethi | I don't see how we could possibly use pip. | 11:03 |
| dguitarbite | #link http://www.paramiko.org/ | 11:03 |
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| dguitarbite | rluethi: so I assume its a strong no from your side. | 11:04 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: I will write a wrapper to invoke openSSH via. the terminal | 11:04 |
| rluethi | dguitarbite: maybe we'll find a way. | 11:05 |
| dguitarbite | I have a solution for not using ssh at all for this | 11:05 |
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| dguitarbite | I would like to implement a simple TCP socket based program to handle interaction with the guest machine. | 11:05 |
| rluethi | If we can avoid installing additional software on the users system, at least outside of our directory, it should be fine. | 11:05 |
| dguitarbite | This would eliminate use of ssh alltogather :) | 11:05 |
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| dguitarbite | rluethi: ok, but this may take some time, esp. for testing so we can use the wrapper around ssh for the time being. | 11:06 |
| dguitarbite | #info dguitarbite will implement a simple TCP socket based client/server protocol for managing interaction with guests. | 11:07 |
| rluethi | we will still need it to work on Windows, mind you. | 11:08 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: that is the reason for this topic :) to eliminate "ssh" for windows. | 11:08 |
| rluethi | if we can't write batch scripts, we need to find a solution for Python on Windows. | 11:09 |
| rluethi | ssh was never needed for windows. | 11:09 |
| rluethi | Windows uses a different mechanism that doesn't require users to install ssh. | 11:09 |
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| rluethi | ssh is only assumed to be there for Linux and OS X, and that is a safe assumption. | 11:09 |
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| dguitarbite | rluethi: also I found something interesting in disttools! We may not need to use py2exe for generating windows executables :D | 11:10 |
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| dguitarbite | #link http://pythonhosted.org/setuptools/setuptools.html#automatic-script-creation | 11:10 |
| dguitarbite | s/distools/setuptools | 11:10 |
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| dguitarbite | rluethi: I do not want to setup a file share for windows. So ill write a small python deamon running on the guest OS which will allow us to send scripts and run them on the guest without SSH or file system sharing | 11:11 |
| rluethi | and how do you get the script into the VM? | 11:12 |
| rluethi | I mean the daemon. | 11:12 |
| dguitarbite | using sockets! | 11:12 |
| dguitarbite | ahh, we install it via. preseed/ks files | 11:12 |
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| rluethi | Maybe we should have multiple PoCs. | 11:13 |
| rluethi | One for architecture, others for trying out mechanisms like this. | 11:13 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: dont worry about this, I will work on this after we finish the python port | 11:13 |
| rluethi | That is impossible. | 11:13 |
| dguitarbite | till then I am planning to do a 1:1 clone (feature/dependency wise) | 11:13 |
| rluethi | The python port cannot be finished before these issues are solved. | 11:14 |
| dguitarbite | ssh for mac/linux and fire share for windows | 11:14 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: that is not a issue. I just wanted to be more pythonic rather than writing a wrapper around commands in the userspace. | 11:14 |
| rluethi | ah, okay, a clone is great. | 11:14 |
| rluethi | Well, due to our mission, we do some things in a less Pythonic way. | 11:15 |
| dguitarbite | yes, but there is no simple command to do this clone ;) ... that ironically makes it more fun. | 11:15 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: yes, that is right. It hurts sometimes to make this sacrifise though. | 11:15 |
| dguitarbite | s/this/these/ | 11:15 |
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| rluethi | I kinda like the fact that I can write out a vbm.log or virsh.log that devs and users can try on the shell. | 11:15 |
| dguitarbite | yes | 11:16 |
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| dguitarbite | another point I wanted to discuss is designing the configuration files and API for the python port. I assume we need to discuss this over a weekend of hacking. | 11:17 |
| rluethi | If we wanted to go all Pythonic, we could also stop using the CLI clients on the guest side. | 11:17 |
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| dguitarbite | rluethi: CLI clients ?? Meaning the lib folders etc? | 11:17 |
| rluethi | I'd say keep it simple for now and worry about it laster. | 11:17 |
| rluethi | dguitarbite: I mean calling the neutron, openstack and nova clients from the shell rather than some API. | 11:18 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: that would be against the mission since we have to mimic install-guides. | 11:18 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: I meant to ask about config/ section. We should take this oppurtunity to re-write the VM confs., things like scripts.*cluster etc. into better ones like JSON or YAML. | 11:19 |
| rluethi | right. we are building something that should be useful for instruction and training, not a demonstration of the Pythonic way. | 11:19 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: yes, that is true. I would not consider your example to be an argument w.r.t. pythonic way of doing things. | 11:20 |
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| dguitarbite | rluethi: What do you think about configuration files? Shall we discuss this in more detail later on? I think it would make it easier to configure our system and also make it more flexible. | 11:21 |
| rluethi | dguitarbite: Like I said, _that_ is something I wouldn't worry about. I _know_ that we will find a decent solution for config files. | 11:21 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: ok, so we keep that as a new feature after merging python support then. | 11:21 |
| dguitarbite | Im afraid that after merging python support, we may be overwhelmed by a new variety of bugs for a good part of N release. | 11:22 |
| rluethi | What I care most about is knowing that we have a tried solution for every technical (and legal) problem. | 11:22 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: alright, its clearer for me now :) | 11:23 |
| dguitarbite | lets give a few minutes for other topics. | 11:23 |
| dguitarbite | #topic Any other buiz... | 11:23 |
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| rluethi | just real quick, I'd like to return to nested virtualization. | 11:23 |
| dguitarbite | yes, tell me? | 11:24 |
| dguitarbite | Do you mean this for deploying training clusters on public clouds? | 11:24 |
| rluethi | if anyone can make an educated guess why our cluster build is extremely slow on Google Compute Engine, and what we could do to improve it, I'd be grateful. | 11:24 |
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| rluethi | I have a VM with 6.5 GB RAM, 2 cores. | 11:25 |
| rluethi | basedisk build is 7 or 9 hours. | 11:25 |
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| rluethi | cluster build takes several days. | 11:25 |
| rluethi | it looks entirely CPU-bound. | 11:26 |
| rluethi | okay, so nested virtualization is slow, there is no hardware virtualization support. | 11:26 |
| rluethi | but an i386 virtualized debian running inside a VirtualBox is a much, much faster _host_ system. | 11:27 |
| dguitarbite | wow! | 11:28 |
| rluethi | it shouldn't have hardware virtualization support, either, so where's the speed difference coming from? | 11:28 |
| dguitarbite | I cannot say the exact reasons. But my educated guess would be with googles hypervisor in their cloud | 11:28 |
| dguitarbite | I think they dont use virtualization like KVM/XEN ... they have their own thread based container system which is similar to a stripped down hypervisor | 11:29 |
| dguitarbite | I could be wrong too ... but that is IMHO the reason for bad performance for our work load because its optimized for running applications not entire VMs in there. | 11:29 |
| rluethi | I suspect it might be something obvious that I'm overlooking. | 11:30 |
| rluethi | anyhow, time is up | 11:30 |
| dguitarbite | And I believe, there is nothing we could do to fix it from our side unless we run the scripts directly Google Compute Instances. | 11:30 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: yes you are right. | 11:30 |
| dguitarbite | #endmeeting | 11:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 11:30 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 6 11:30:35 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 11:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_labs/2016/training_labs.2016-01-06-10.31.html | 11:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_labs/2016/training_labs.2016-01-06-10.31.txt | 11:30 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_labs/2016/training_labs.2016-01-06-10.31.log.html | 11:30 |
| dguitarbite | see you guys. thanks for attending the meeting. | 11:30 |
| rluethi | bye | 11:30 |
| egallen | Bye \o/ | 11:30 |
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| Khayam | anybody from tricircle | 12:55 |
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| zhiyuan_ | hi, i am from tricircle | 12:57 |
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| Khayam | I am reading the tricircle blueprint | 12:59 |
| joehuang | hi | 12:59 |
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| joehuang | great | 12:59 |
| joehuang | hi Khayam | 12:59 |
| joehuang | let's start the meeting | 12:59 |
| Khayam | and in pod table what is meant by | 12:59 |
| Khayam | pk/fk/uk | 12:59 |
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| joehuang | pk is primary key | 13:00 |
| joehuang | fk is foreign key | 13:00 |
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| joehuang | uk is unique key | 13:00 |
| joehuang | #startmeeting tricircle | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 6 13:00:37 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is joehuang. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tricircle' | 13:00 |
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| joehuang | #topic rollcall | 13:01 |
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| joehuang | #info joehuang | 13:01 |
| zhiyuan_ | #info zhiyuan | 13:01 |
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| joehuang | hi zhipeng | 13:01 |
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| joehuang | hi Khayam | 13:02 |
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| joehuang | is it clear for fk/pk/uk | 13:02 |
| zhipeng | hi joehuang | 13:02 |
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| joehuang | #topic design and progress | 13:03 |
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| joehuang | hi, Zhiyuan, how things going | 13:03 |
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| zhiyuan_ | i'm working on the l3 functionality. I am going to divide it into two patches | 13:04 |
| joehuang | let's look at the todo list first | 13:04 |
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| joehuang | how to divide the patches | 13:05 |
| joehuang | how to divide the patches, zhiyuan | 13:05 |
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| zhiyuan_ | typing | 13:05 |
| joehuang | your network seems to be not stable | 13:05 |
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| zhiyuan_ | in the first patch, our tricircle neutron plugin will create bridge vlan network, bottom pod router and attach interfaces to router | 13:06 |
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| zhiyuan_ | in the second patch, xjob will configure extra route to connect the bottom routers in two pods | 13:07 |
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| joehuang | is the network with VM attached also included in the first patch | 13:08 |
| joehuang | except the bridge network | 13:08 |
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| zhiyuan_ | since we introduce network az, subnet can be attached to router without hosting a vm, in my implementation, plugin will create the related bottom network, subnet if they doesn't exist | 13:09 |
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| joehuang | good, that means the first patch will at least make it testable and workable | 13:10 |
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| joehuang | the L3 networking is relative a bit complex | 13:11 |
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| joehuang | it's necessary to ensure each patch is workable and testable | 13:12 |
| zhiyuan_ | sorry I was offline just now | 13:12 |
| zhiyuan_ | and lose the message history | 13:12 |
| joehuang | yes, I can see your network connection was lost | 13:12 |
| joehuang | that means the first patch will at least make it testable and workable | 13:13 |
| joehuang | it's important for each patch is testable and workable | 13:13 |
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| joehuang | when will your patch be ready for review | 13:14 |
| zhiyuan_ | yes, I have written the unit tests. in the first patch, after DevStack starts, use can attach a subnet to a router and then the bottom network, subnet, port ,etc will be ready | 13:15 |
| zhiyuan_ | i think i can submit the patch this Friday | 13:15 |
| joehuang | great | 13:15 |
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| joehuang | let's look at the TODO list | 13:16 |
| joehuang | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/TricircleToDo | 13:16 |
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| joehuang | The phase 1 is almost finished if we look at the TODO list | 13:17 |
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| joehuang | hi, Khayam, are you still online? | 13:19 |
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| zhiyuan_ | i mark no7 as done, joe has done that for me | 13:20 |
| joehuang | ok | 13:20 |
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| joehuang | but not update all, some more description is needed | 13:20 |
| zhiyuan_ | ok | 13:20 |
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| joehuang | for cinder part, I would have finished that if I did not delete the source code. | 13:22 |
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| joehuang | I have to rewrite the code, hopefully will be ready for review this friday | 13:22 |
| joehuang | and the site mode has been moved to pod model | 13:23 |
| joehuang | so that tricircle can support big AZ | 13:23 |
| joehuang | thanks for zhiyuan's patch for accelaration for the migration | 13:24 |
| zhiyuan_ | cool, will you include DevStack script to deploy top and bottom cinder API in your working patch? | 13:24 |
| joehuang | will do | 13:24 |
| joehuang | Cinder API and cinder-apigw is there, only need to make them work | 13:25 |
| zhiyuan_ | yes, need some scripts to make them running on one host | 13:25 |
| joehuang | It's the first time for Khayam to join the meeting, but his connection is lost. | 13:27 |
| joehuang | He | 13:27 |
| joehuang | #info The phase 1 is almost finished if we look at the TODO list | 13:29 |
| joehuang | #info it's necessary to make sue each patch is workable and testable | 13:29 |
| zhipeng | i have a question about the current devstack setup | 13:30 |
| joehuang | please | 13:30 |
| zhipeng | the current script will provide two regions | 13:30 |
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| zhipeng | on how many nodes? | 13:30 |
| joehuang | yes | 13:30 |
| joehuang | one node | 13:31 |
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| zhipeng | it should be possible to have for example two node devstack | 13:31 |
| zhipeng | with the top running tricircle, right? | 13:31 |
| joehuang | #info current devstack only needs one node | 13:31 |
| joehuang | of course | 13:31 |
| joehuang | but you have to manually register the second region to the keystone of the first node | 13:32 |
| zhipeng | cool,i'm looking into a way of vagrant spawning multinode to demo tricircle | 13:32 |
| joehuang | so that all endpoints are visible in one keystone | 13:32 |
| zhipeng | okey got it | 13:32 |
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| joehuang | could you please add the script to Tricircle if you tried two nodes setup successfully | 13:33 |
| zhiyuan_ | i am going to write some scripts to help to deploy DevStack in two hosts in my second patch of l3 functionality | 13:33 |
| zhiyuan_ | so we can test cross-pod vm connectivity | 13:33 |
| joehuang | yes | 13:34 |
| zhipeng | sure | 13:34 |
| joehuang | #action add scripts for two nodes devstack deployment for mutli-pod support | 13:34 |
| joehuang | more topic? | 13:35 |
| zhiyuan_ | no for me | 13:35 |
| zhipeng | none from my side | 13:36 |
| joehuang | ok, let's conclude the meeting | 13:36 |
| joehuang | thanks for attending the meeting | 13:37 |
| joehuang | see you | 13:37 |
| joehuang | good night | 13:37 |
| zhiyuan_ | good night | 13:37 |
| joehuang | #endmeeting | 13:37 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 6 13:37:19 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:37 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-01-06-13.00.html | 13:37 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-01-06-13.00.txt | 13:37 |
| zhipeng | good night | 13:37 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-01-06-13.00.log.html | 13:37 |
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| Zara | storyboard meeting in 3 minutes! | 14:57 |
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| Zara | storyboard meeting! | 15:00 |
| Zara | who's around? | 15:00 |
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| Zara | SotK is unwell today, so not him. | 15:01 |
| betherly | o/ | 15:01 |
| Zara | hi betherly! | 15:01 |
| betherly | hi there :) | 15:01 |
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| Zara | #startmeeting storyboard | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 6 15:02:10 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Zara. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 15:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 15:02 |
| Zara | # Announcements | 15:02 |
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| Zara | Not much to announce... this is our first meeting after the holidays! | 15:03 |
| betherly | sure :) hope yours was good! | 15:03 |
| betherly | happy new year! | 15:03 |
| Zara | it was, you too! so yeah, we're around again if people have questions etc. | 15:03 |
| Zara | # Urgent Items | 15:03 |
| Zara | Nothing critical, though we have several things in review. Will come back to them | 15:04 |
| Zara | since I've already written a bunch of notes on current work... | 15:04 |
| Zara | # In Progress Work | 15:04 |
| Zara | ookay, lots here! as I mentioned, SotK is ill this week, so hard to give all the details, but I can link to the patches! | 15:05 |
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| betherly | great ok :) | 15:05 |
| Zara | # info several worklists and boards patches awaiting review | 15:05 |
| Zara | misc patches here (I also need to get to them, sorry!): | 15:06 |
| Zara | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263761/ | 15:06 |
| Zara | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263728/ | 15:06 |
| Zara | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263717/ | 15:06 |
| Zara | they're various tweaks for UX for making new worklists and boards, | 15:06 |
| Zara | should make things more usable. | 15:06 |
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| Zara | SotK's other work in progress as listed in agenda is email notifications-- this is exciting! | 15:06 |
| Zara | we got a lot done right before the holidays so it might not have been recorded very well... | 15:06 |
| Zara | anyway, patches currently in review: | 15:07 |
| betherly | what is the status on notifications at the moment? | 15:07 |
| Zara | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263304/ | 15:07 |
| betherly | or is that worth waiting for SotK to be back to ask? | 15:07 |
| Zara | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241665/ | 15:07 |
| Zara | I have a wall of text on that | 15:07 |
| Zara | ! | 15:07 |
| Zara | though I think there will be plenty of gaps that SotK can fill in | 15:07 |
| betherly | awesome thanks! | 15:08 |
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| Zara | wall of text incoming! | 15:08 |
| Zara | to recap about the second patch: we're holding off merging the | 15:08 |
| Zara | button for choosing to subscribe to email notifications, because | 15:08 |
| Zara | 1) openstack infra is a big storyboard user, and doesn't have | 15:08 |
| Zara | those notifications enabled in puppet yet (see first patch!), so | 15:08 |
| Zara | it could mislead users into thinking the feature is active. | 15:08 |
| Zara | 2) currently there's just one button to turn emails on/off. | 15:08 |
| Zara | we don't yet have templates for all things that can be updated | 15:08 |
| Zara | via user preferences, and we don't want to mislead users into | 15:08 |
| Zara | thinking they'll get notifications for those things before that is | 15:08 |
| Zara | the case. so either we want a bunch of checkboxes for all active | 15:08 |
| Zara | possible notifications, or we want one box (and notifications will | 15:08 |
| Zara | just overlap with user preferences). | 15:08 |
| Zara | didn't want to type all that in realtime, hopefully explains those patches at least | 15:08 |
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| Zara | things are moving forwards | 15:08 |
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| Zara | need to update roadmap in line with that, given that's listed as my current work on the agenda... in practise this week I've been reviewing and working on a misc patch, so I should get back to the roadmap after the meeting | 15:09 |
| Zara | #action Zara to update roadmap after meeting | 15:10 |
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| SotK | Yeah, I plan to throw together some more templates and get the plugin configured in storyboard.o.o soon, then we can merge the patch that adds the preference option | 15:10 |
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| Zara | #info notifications are making steady progress! | 15:11 |
| Zara | a zombie appears! | 15:11 |
| SotK | sure feels that way :) | 15:11 |
| Zara | :( hope you feel better soon | 15:11 |
| Zara | also hope you didn't catch my cold | 15:11 |
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| Zara | there are various misc patches from both SotK and myself at | 15:13 |
| Zara | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:+openstack-infra/storyboard+status:open | 15:13 |
| betherly | get well soon SotK | 15:13 |
| Zara | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:+openstack-infra/storyboard-webclient+status:open | 15:13 |
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| Zara | btw, I wonder if it's worth it for me to look at doing some of the templates this afternoon? I'd assumed it was a pretty quick job and by the time I'd worked it out you'd've done it, since you'd already started, but if you're ill I could make a start. might just end up duplicating effort, though. | 15:15 |
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| SotK | sounds like a good idea to me :) | 15:16 |
| Zara | okay, will take a look | 15:16 |
| SotK | thanks | 15:16 |
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| Zara | #action Zara will also look at making some email templates | 15:16 |
| Zara | haha, don't thank me until I manage to make some, lol | 15:16 |
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| Zara | I think that's all the in-progress stuff... | 15:17 |
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| Zara | no discussion topics listed, so... | 15:17 |
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| Zara | #Open discussion | 15:17 |
| Zara | anyone have anything they want to discuss? | 15:17 |
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| betherly | just to say I'll be around more for reviewing and submitting code in the next couple of weeks once the ironic plugin starts going upstream | 15:19 |
| SotK | \o/ | 15:19 |
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| betherly | once I'm more proactively involved directly I'm sure I'll have more questions and comments moving forward :) | 15:19 |
| SotK | it'll be good to have you around :) | 15:19 |
| betherly | Ye I'm really excited to work with you both | 15:19 |
| Zara | yay! :) if there's anything we can do to help with the ironic plugin, let us know | 15:20 |
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| Zara | and I'm excited to work with you, too! | 15:20 |
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| betherly | thanks so much :) | 15:21 |
| SotK | me too! | 15:22 |
| Zara | ~storyboard is gonna be the very best, that no one ever was~ | 15:22 |
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| Zara | any more things? | 15:23 |
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| SotK | _o_ | 15:23 |
| Zara | okay, go back to sleep! or whatever it is you do when you're ill. :P | 15:24 |
| Zara | meeting ends in 5... | 15:24 |
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| Zara | \o/ | 15:24 |
| Zara | 4... | 15:24 |
| Zara | 3... | 15:25 |
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| Zara | 2... | 15:25 |
| Zara | 1... | 15:25 |
| Zara | #endmeeting | 15:25 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 6 15:25:15 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:25 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2016/storyboard.2016-01-06-15.02.html | 15:25 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2016/storyboard.2016-01-06-15.02.txt | 15:25 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2016/storyboard.2016-01-06-15.02.log.html | 15:25 |
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| Zara | thanks everyone! :) | 15:25 |
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| smcginnis | #startmeeting cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 6 16:00:22 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| ameade | o/ | 16:00 |
| ntpttr | hi o/ | 16:00 |
| tbarron | hi | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | Hey everyone | 16:00 |
| xyang1 | hi | 16:00 |
| patrickeast | hi | 16:00 |
| akerr | o/ | 16:00 |
| jgregor | Hello | 16:00 |
| scottda | hey | 16:00 |
| Yogi1 | hi | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings#Weekly_Cinder_team_meeting | 16:00 |
| jseiler | hi | 16:00 |
| diablo_rojo | Hello :) | 16:00 |
| Guest56749 | hi | 16:00 |
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| yhayashi | hello | 16:01 |
| merooney | hi | 16:01 |
| adrianofr | hi | 16:01 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:01 |
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| ildikov | o/ | 16:01 |
| hemna | mornin | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | #topic Announcements | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: cinder)" | 16:01 | |
| DuncanT | Hey | 16:01 |
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| jixuepeng | hello | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | Happy Wednesday! | 16:01 |
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| smcginnis | #info python-cinderclient-ext is an official repo now. | 16:02 |
| e0ne | great! | 16:02 |
| hemna | nice | 16:02 |
| e0ne | #link https://github.com/openstack/python-brick-cinderclient-ext | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | This is for the work e0ne has been driver for non-Nova management. | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: Nice work there! | 16:02 |
| thingee | o/ | 16:02 |
| e0ne | I'll send e-mail to openstack-dev after meeting | 16:02 |
| jgriffith | nifty | 16:03 |
| Swanson | Hello | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: Great. That could be good to get awareness out there. | 16:03 |
| e0ne | and will anonce it once more on the ironic meeting | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | e0ne: good job | 16:03 |
| e0ne | thanks everybody for the help to get it landed | 16:03 |
| e0ne | it was good teamwork | 16:03 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: Cool! | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | #info Midcycle coming up Jan 26-29 | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-cinder-midcycle | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | Please add your name if attending. | 16:03 |
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| smcginnis | Also, if you scroll down, there is a section for proposed topics. | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | Please add anything there. | 16:04 |
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| hemna | I should have my camera setup with me again | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | I'm sure there won't be a shortage of things to discuss, but it would be useful to have them listed. | 16:04 |
| hemna | and will try and do the youtube channel streaming of the meetup | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | hemna: Sweet. That will be nice. | 16:04 |
| e0ne | hemna: it will be awsome! | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | hemna: Thanks for doing that. | 16:04 |
| hemna | np | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: Please, no pictures. ;-) | 16:04 |
| ntpttr | thanks! | 16:04 |
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| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Hah, part of the contributor agreement is a media release. | 16:05 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: no pictures or no pictures with you? ;-) | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | jk | 16:05 |
| hemna | jungleboyj, just sit next to me and you'll be off camera :) (one of the advantages of being the camera man) | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | hemna: ;) | 16:05 |
| diablo_rojo | hemna: Dibs on a spot next to you. | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: ++ | 16:05 |
| ameade | hemna: pretty elaborate way to get jungleboyj to sit next to you | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | lol | 16:05 |
| * jungleboyj will take the other side. | 16:05 | |
| DuncanT | jungleboyj: Sit on his lap | 16:05 |
| hemna | ameade, lol | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | ameade: is on to me. Crap! | 16:05 |
| diablo_rojo | hemna: You just made yourself incredibly popular. | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-cinder-spec-review-tracking | 16:06 |
| hemna | diablo_rojo, :P | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | ^^ some areas that need focus. | 16:06 |
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| e0ne | is any recommended hotel for the last night? | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | I think we're making good progress, but sooner is better than later. | 16:06 |
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| smcginnis | e0ne: I'm staying at the one listed. | 16:06 |
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| scottda | It seems the spec-review-tracking is evolving to code-review-tracking | 16:07 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: me too. but we have to book additional night to get special price | 16:07 |
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| smcginnis | scottda: Yeah. I know it's a little different than what you were thinking with nova's way. | 16:07 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: do we have list on new drivers on review? | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: No, I'll see if I can pull that together. Unless someone beats me to it. | 16:08 |
| scottda | smcginnis: No problem, just making sure reviewers know that this page points to priority code reviews, not just spec reviews | 16:08 |
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| scottda | at least now that many specs are merged and code is up. | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | scottda: We don't really group review all blueprints and specs are on normal reviews. Maybe we can talk at the midcycle and you can give any suggestions for how you see nova doing things. | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | scottda: I'm certainly willing to try something different. | 16:09 |
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| scottda | sure, we can talk. Just nice to know there is a page that points to priority items, whether spec or code. | 16:09 |
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| smcginnis | #info Bugstats: cinder - 466, cinderclient - 36, os-brick - 13 | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | Just for info. | 16:10 |
| hemna | I checked the os-brick bugs yesterday | 16:10 |
| hemna | there are only 2 in 'new' status, the rest are in progress basically | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | Cinder count really went up, but it appears half of them are now bugs for single character comment typos. | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | :/ | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | hemna: Awesome! | 16:10 |
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| smcginnis | OK, that's all I've got to go over. | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | #topic Cinder Multiattach (hemna, ildikov) | 16:11 |
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| smcginnis | hemna, ildikov: All yours. | 16:11 |
| hemna | coolio thanks | 16:11 |
| hemna | so ildikov has been doing a ton of work in the Nova side of things recently trying to get multiattach to land | 16:11 |
| hemna | she's finding a lack of help reviewing code over there, so I wanted to raise awareness and see if we can get some folks from Cinder to help doing reviews | 16:12 |
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| smcginnis | hemna: Do we have a list somewhere? Or a common topic name? | 16:12 |
| hemna | we are running up against a Nova deadline soon and I'd like to see her stuff land. | 16:12 |
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| hemna | ildikov should have that list | 16:12 |
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| hemna | I've been helping as much as I can, but it's a big task on the Nova side of things | 16:13 |
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| smcginnis | +1 | 16:13 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: If we can get a list we can try to get mriedem to help out. | 16:13 |
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| hemna | as far as Cinder goes, I have a patch up that fixes a multiattach issue for lvm, that also might benefit everyone else | 16:13 |
| hemna | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/255595/ | 16:13 |
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| hemna | jgriffith, has given me some feedback on it, and I pushed up a new patch yesterday. If I could get others to take a look | 16:14 |
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| hemna | especially driver maintainers | 16:14 |
| hemna | ildikov, ping | 16:14 |
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| smcginnis | Pretty late for her I think. | 16:15 |
| shyama | hemna: for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/255595/ we need to handle terminate_connection as well. not all drivers use remove_export | 16:15 |
| chhavi | hemna, I checked the code, we have some comments to handle the same for terminate connection | 16:15 |
| hemna | she has been up pretty late every day hacking on this | 16:15 |
| hemna | ok, please provide feedback in the patch if you can | 16:15 |
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| scottda | shyama: But should all drivers be using remove_export? | 16:15 |
| hemna | terminate connection is a bit tricky | 16:15 |
| chhavi | hemna: I added the comment please check | 16:16 |
| hemna | some drivers create a new export for every attach, even for the same volume | 16:16 |
| hemna | so we'd need terminate_connection to get called | 16:16 |
| xyang1 | Lots of drivers don't use remove_export | 16:16 |
| hemna | xyang1, yup | 16:16 |
| hemna | I think though, we are supposed to | 16:16 |
| hemna | re: lvm being the reference driver. | 16:16 |
| ildikov | sorry, here | 16:16 |
| hemna | the lvm driver removes the target at remove_export time | 16:16 |
| jgriffith | haha | 16:16 |
| scottda | Yes, if a driver doesn't use remove_export to remove the export, is that a driver bug? | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | For some there isn't a separate export and attach. | 16:17 |
| hemna | yah | 16:17 |
| hemna | and the 3PAR is one of those as well. | 16:17 |
| e0ne | scottda: it should be a driver bug, IMO | 16:17 |
| ildikov | smcginnis: review topic for the Nova patches: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/volume-multi-attach | 16:17 |
| xyang1 | hemna: how did you solve that in 3PAR | 16:17 |
| hemna | we can't use remove_export, because we don't have the connection_info then | 16:17 |
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| e0ne | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/volume-multi-attach | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/volume-multi-attach | 16:17 |
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| smcginnis | ildikov: Thanks! | 16:17 |
| jgriffith | umm... why would that be a bug? | 16:17 |
| patrickeast | hemna: yea we've got the same problem | 16:17 |
| shyama | scottda: from what I see most fc drivers are using initialize and terminate connection and not remove export | 16:17 |
| hemna | xyang1, 3PAR is one of those drivers that creates a new export for every attach. | 16:17 |
| hemna | so terminate_connection is called every time and it works | 16:18 |
| hemna | even for the same volume. | 16:18 |
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| hemna | jgriffith, I think because we are 'supposed' to follow the reference driver and all be doing the same things in the same driver API entry points. | 16:18 |
| hemna | which, I think most of us aren't. | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | no, not at all | 16:19 |
| ildikov | smcginnis: I have johnthetubaguy, mriedem and ndipanov looking at the patches and basically two weeks to land some code | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | remove export actually makes no sense for most | 16:19 |
| bswartz | netapp doesn't exactly create new exports but does create rules so would need terminate_connection to be called as well | 16:19 |
| Swanson | shyama, scottda: Dell driver doesn't use create_export or remove_export. Simply wasn't enough info being passed to the driver. (Now, tho, I think there is.) | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | remove_export "removes" the locally created iscsi Target on the cinder volume node | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | That's what it's intent was | 16:19 |
| ildikov | smcginnis: the plan is to block more things for the first round and then add support later just to have something that gives us a base scenario to play with | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | other backends don't have a created iscsi target on the cinder node so it's a noop | 16:19 |
| hemna | Swanson, yah, we had the same problem. I 'fixed' the create_export problem by adding the connector to it. | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | ildikov: +1 Good plan | 16:19 |
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| smcginnis | jgriffith: Agree - it just doesn't apply to some backends. | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | in other words it's exactly as the name would imply "remove the target export" | 16:20 |
| shyama | smcginnis: i agree , we could it work on it for next round | 16:20 |
| hemna | sure, we do that inside of terminate_connection | 16:20 |
| chhavi | scottda: storwize, emc drivers uses terminate connection | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | sigh | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | connection and export are NOT the same thing | 16:20 |
| hemna | for some of us, they are | 16:21 |
| ildikov | smcginnis: also would be nice to talk about this with the Nova folks during the mid-cycle | 16:21 |
| patrickeast | jgriffith: +1 | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | connection == an iscsi nexus/attachment/session whatever you prefer to call it | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | export == a local device "exported" via an iscsi (or other) target mechanism | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | Right, some don't have anything to "export". They just need to attach (i.e. create that I-T nexus) | 16:21 |
| Swanson | jgriffith, I took connection to mean connecting to a remote san and export to mean a locally created target. | 16:21 |
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| jgriffith | Swanson: not really | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | Swanson: they're separate components | 16:22 |
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| jgriffith | and this isn't a griffith/cinderism FWIW | 16:22 |
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| jgriffith | :) | 16:22 |
| Swanson | griffism | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | Sounds like we could spend some time at the midcycle getting everyone on the same page for attach vs export. | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | It's kind of a standard thing, and it's why the two parts are separated in Cinder | 16:22 |
| chhavi | jgriffith: here by connection we need to avoid deleting the host entry, if the attachment exists. | 16:23 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ | 16:23 |
| patrickeast | wasn't there an effort to document the driver api's? was any of this covered by that? | 16:23 |
| xyang1 | smcginnis: should be added to the driver doc that eharney is working on | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | I feel like this has come up before. | 16:23 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: +1 | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | xyang1: +1 | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | #link https://github.com/eharney/driver_doc/blob/master/driver.rst | 16:23 |
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| hemna | sure, but I think in order for that to really work for some backends, we also need the connector at remove_export time. | 16:23 |
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| jgriffith | jungleboyj: yeah, I feel like I write stuff and talk about this stuff a lot | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | xyang1: Yep! :) | 16:23 |
| hemna | for all the same reasons we needed it at create_export time. | 16:23 |
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| hemna | we can't even find the export unless we have the connector. | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | hemna: my point was actually that you probably don't need remove_export, you're most likely using it wrong | 16:24 |
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| smcginnis | :) | 16:24 |
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| hemna | in our case, we don't use it at all. | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | hemna: unless on your device (and you may) you are actually saying "hey... delete this target" | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | hemna: me neither | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | hemna: until some bozo put it in an ABC class :) | 16:24 |
| jungleboyj | This all came up around issues with live migration, didn't it? | 16:24 |
| hemna | we nuke the target at terminate_connection time. | 16:24 |
| hemna | heh | 16:24 |
| Swanson | hemna, ditto. create_export is more useful. | 16:24 |
| Swanson | jungleboyj, yep | 16:25 |
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| hemna | jungleboyj, no, this came up due to a multiattach issue related to lvm | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | sigh | 16:25 |
| hemna | heh | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | I don't think this is constructive any more | 16:25 |
| hemna | the first detach nuked the lvm target, and other attachments on the same host vanished | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | basically folks will do what they want and interpret how they choose | 16:25 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: Ok. | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | that's fair enoug | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | h | 16:25 |
| smcginnis | Yeah, in the interest of time let's table this for now. | 16:25 |
| smcginnis | We're making jgriffith sigh a lot. :) | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | LOL | 16:25 |
| hemna | coolio | 16:26 |
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| jgriffith | hey.. sighing is ok right? | 16:26 |
| guitarzan | we might run out of air :) | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | hemna, ildikov: Anything else regarding multiattach at this point? | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | Better than yelling :) | 16:26 |
| hemna | so provide any feedback on my cinder patch please | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: ;) | 16:26 |
| hemna | or we can take this up in cinder channel after the meeting | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | guitarzan: LOL | 16:26 |
| hemna | and I'm sure I can confuse everyone even more there. | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | heeh | 16:26 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: You don't let me sigh. ;-) | 16:26 |
| ildikov | smcginnis: a favour from me: reviews and any hints if something looks fragile and I didn't realize :) | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: it's different when you look at me and roll your eyes while I'm speaking :) | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | hemna, ildikov: Thanks. Will do ildikov. | 16:27 |
| hemna | ildikov, thanks again for taking up this huge Nova effort. It helps everyone in Cinder. | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | #topic os-brick local_dev (hemna) | 16:27 |
| ildikov | thanks! | 16:27 |
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| jungleboyj | ildikov: Thank you! | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | hemna: Still you. | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: touche | 16:27 |
| hemna | ok, so before the break, I started taking a look at the nova and cinder lvm code | 16:28 |
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| hemna | we have a lot of duplicate code between the 2 | 16:28 |
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| hemna | and the code that jgriffith wrote in cinder/brick/local_dev is really nice compared to the nova code | 16:28 |
| mriedem | i put up a patch at one point that copies some of the cinder lvm code into nova | 16:28 |
| hemna | so I put together an os-brick patch that pulls that code as well as a cinder removal patch. | 16:28 |
| e0ne | NOT: we have the same issue between nova/cinder/glance and RBD stuff | 16:28 |
| mriedem | for retries and error handling | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | hemna: That duplication is the main reason I'm behind it. | 16:28 |
| e0ne | s/NOT/NOTE | 16:29 |
| hemna | so I just wanted to raise the issue and see if everyone thinks this is a good idea. | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | mriedem: Does it just use a small part of the local_dev code? | 16:29 |
| mriedem | i'd have to find it | 16:29 |
| hemna | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/260739 | 16:29 |
| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/240611/ | 16:29 |
| hemna | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/260756/ | 16:29 |
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| smcginnis | mriedem: Or more importantly, would it be usable on the nova side if we pulled all of that into brick? | 16:29 |
| mriedem | i'd be behind pulling the common code into os-brick and use from there | 16:30 |
| hemna | mriedem, the idea was to get the cinder/brick/local_dev code moved to os-brick first | 16:30 |
| mriedem | since cinder's was more recent and had nice things | 16:30 |
| hemna | then get nova to use it | 16:30 |
| mriedem | nice things like what i ported into https://review.openstack.org/#/c/240611/ | 16:30 |
| hemna | mriedem, there were a few missing functions in cinder's code | 16:30 |
| mriedem | i even said "At some point the common code should live in a library like os-brick and then we can avoid the duplication." | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | mriedem: Which is a sign that we should probably have one place and not duplicate and be out of sync. :) | 16:30 |
| hemna | that should be easily ported into os-brick | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | mriedem: :) | 16:31 |
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| jgriffith | so I put a note in hemna 's review last night... | 16:31 |
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| smcginnis | mriedem: To be clear, I'm not saying it was a bad thing to do when it was done. We didn't have os-brick then. | 16:31 |
| mriedem | this was really for the udevadm settle call that cinder has | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | I think it's an ok idea; I'm not sure why "brick" vs an oslo.lvm lib | 16:31 |
| jgriffith | I'm also concerned about a few things... | 16:31 |
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| mriedem | os-brick is owned by cinder cores, oslo things are not | 16:32 |
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| smcginnis | jgriffith: Well, that raises another question I guess. Should os-brick be oslo.brick? | 16:32 |
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| jgriffith | 1. When we discussed this a year or so ago I think there was a concensus that this was wayyy too heavy for Nova | 16:32 |
| hemna | mriedem, +1 | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | too much object and abstraction madness | 16:32 |
| mriedem | i don't think oslo cores should own brick | 16:32 |
| e0ne | jgriffith: I don't like oslo.lvm because we'll need oslo.rbd later too | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | mriedem: I'm not saying anything about brick :) | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | e0ne: fair enough | 16:32 |
| hemna | I think the local_dev code you write is clean | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | mriedem: I don't either, but raising the question since it is a common library that does somewhat fall under oslo's mission. | 16:32 |
| hemna | wrote | 16:32 |
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| jgriffith | e0ne: mriedem hemna and I'm not pushing one vs the other | 16:32 |
| hemna | smcginnis, the same could be said of os-brick though | 16:32 |
| mriedem | so what's too heavy for nova? | 16:32 |
| jgriffith | honestly not a big deal to me either way | 16:32 |
| mriedem | brick or cinder's local_dev/lvm? | 16:33 |
| smcginnis | hemna: That is what I'm saying. :) | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | I just don't know the motivations here | 16:33 |
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| mriedem | there is precedent for non-oslo shared libs, like os-win and os-vif | 16:33 |
| jgriffith | mriedem: and the point being that the lvm code is actually more along the lines of what oslo is intended; stable, very low-freq change rate | 16:33 |
| hemna | anyway, I think it should live in os-brick, as it's owned by the Cinder/Storage folks that have the knowledge. | 16:33 |
| mriedem | agree with hemna | 16:34 |
| mtanino | hemna: +1 | 16:34 |
| mriedem | oslo libs change way more often than you'd think | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | hemna: yeah, I'm fine with that | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | hemna: +1 | 16:34 |
| e0ne | hemna: +1 | 16:34 |
| jgriffith | but there's still the bigger point that I raised earlier | 16:34 |
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| hemna | jgriffith, the 'heavy for nova' issue ? | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | brick/lvm was an interesting experiment on my part with objects... I'm really not certain it was "good" or not | 16:35 |
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| jgriffith | I'd love to make sure eharney is wrapped in on this | 16:35 |
| hemna | I think you did a great job of it actually. | 16:35 |
| hemna | it's clean | 16:35 |
| hemna | especially if you compare it to the nova lvm.py | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | eharney: I think he and mtanino are the other two that have comitted the most blood sweet and tears with me on lvm | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: Yeah, what I've looked at looks good. | 16:35 |
| jgriffith | hemna: mriedem cool, if Nova is ok with the changes and want to move forward this time I'm certainly good with it | 16:36 |
| * eharney needs to catch up on all of this | 16:36 | |
| mriedem | i guess i'm not familiar with the objects talk | 16:36 |
| mriedem | cinder objects? | 16:36 |
| hemna | mriedem, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/260739/4/os_brick/local_dev/lvm.py | 16:37 |
| mriedem | if the cinder lvm code is using objects, i'd think those would have to be ported to os-brick also | 16:37 |
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| hemna | from what I can tell it's just that object | 16:37 |
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| mriedem | oh so just a class rather than util methods | 16:37 |
| hemna | I think so yah | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | mriedem: the code itself... | 16:37 |
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| jgriffith | mriedem: at one point the lvm modules were just static helper methods (or embedded in the driver) | 16:38 |
| mriedem | yeah, that's what nova still has | 16:38 |
| hemna | jgriffith, it's far cleaner than the utils code in nova imho. | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | mriedem: now it's based off of a parent VG object | 16:38 |
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| smcginnis | So just some refactoring required when nova picks up the common code? | 16:38 |
| hemna | but the VG stuff doesn't need to come into os-brick, nor nova. | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | mriedem: so the result is you have a bit more *process* enforcement, and a bit heavier lift in terms of managing things | 16:39 |
| hemna | just the local_dev/lvm.py object. | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | not a huge deal | 16:39 |
| hemna | I'll take on the nova patch if this lands in os-brick | 16:39 |
| mriedem | it looks like it maps (from quickly glancing) | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | hemna: there's no way not to the way I wrote that code. Everything is off of parent vg object, cuz that's how Cinder works :) | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | anyway... just pointing out that there were concerns from the Nova side in the past that I didn't disagree with | 16:40 |
| mriedem | as long as nova can create the object w/o having to jump through 20 hoops, i think we'd be ok | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | mriedem: sounds good | 16:40 |
| mriedem | cinder has that whole exec helper construct that nova doesn't | 16:40 |
| mriedem | but hemna already crossed that bridge with the os-brick adoption in nova | 16:40 |
| hemna | Nova would just need to pass in the CONF entries at constructor time | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | mriedem: I'd honeslty like that to go away | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | mriedem: it's trouble! | 16:40 |
| mriedem | jgriffith: yeah i'm not crazy about it | 16:40 |
| hemna | which could be done with a factory or utils helper | 16:40 |
| mriedem | makes it seem pluggable which it probably shoudn't be | 16:41 |
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| jgriffith | mriedem: indeed... and causes weird things with rootwrap and inheritance | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | obsufication for obsufication purposes :) | 16:41 |
| mriedem | right, there could be other rootwrap filter/privsep implications here | 16:41 |
| smcginnis | So it sounds like there are some details to work out, but we are in general agreement? | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | mriedem: there are | 16:41 |
| mriedem | smcginnis: i think so | 16:41 |
| hemna | privsep will eventually move rootwrap out | 16:41 |
| hemna | but it's not ready yet | 16:41 |
| mriedem | privsep is supposed to be coming along | 16:41 |
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| jgriffith | smcginnis: "some" details is an understatement IMO :) | 16:41 |
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| hemna | angus has a WIP patch in os-brick already for a first stab at privsep | 16:42 |
| e0ne | privsep will be ready not earlier than N release | 16:42 |
| hemna | for a small piece of it. | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: That's cinder in general. We just have to work out some details. :) | 16:42 |
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| jgriffith | smcginnis: True That!! | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | hemna: Good enough for now? Should we move on? | 16:42 |
| mriedem | https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/dd/Gnomes_plan.png | 16:42 |
| mriedem | i think we know the detials | 16:42 |
| hemna | yah I'm done. | 16:42 |
| hemna | so I'll take the os-brick patch out of WIP | 16:42 |
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| hemna | I have a BP up that I posted yesterday for it. | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | mriedem: :) | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | hemna: Awesome, thanks! | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | lol | 16:43 |
| hemna | mriedem, heh nice. | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | #topic Cinder Code Cleanup Patches (e0ne) | 16:43 |
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| smcginnis | e0ne: Your turn. | 16:43 |
| e0ne | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderCodeCleanupPatches | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | Just please don't miss phase-1 :) | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: LOL | 16:43 |
| e0ne | should we follow "'code_cleanup_batching" process now? | 16:44 |
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| e0ne | I see a lot of small cleanup/refactoging patches for cinder | 16:44 |
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| smcginnis | Most I've seen didn't conflict with anything, so I've been letting those through. | 16:45 |
| DuncanT | e0ne: For any vaguely sizeable patch, I think we should follow it | 16:45 |
| smcginnis | I guess I'm not of a strong opinion. | 16:45 |
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| e0ne | DuncanT, smcginnis: what about patches like "Fix 'an' article usage? | 16:46 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: They should die a horrible and painful death. | 16:46 |
| e0ne | +2 | 16:46 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: :) | 16:46 |
| sheel | :) | 16:46 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: Especially if a bug has been filed for each individual patch! | 16:47 |
| DuncanT | e0ne: for one liners, I've just been firing them in, but maybe batching them will put people off posting them? | 16:47 |
| winston-d | I heard that's the new trend in all openstack projects. | 16:47 |
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| smcginnis | winston-d: Which? | 16:47 |
| hemna | ? | 16:47 |
| winston-d | fixing 'an' | 16:47 |
| hemna | seriously | 16:47 |
| hemna | ? | 16:47 |
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| smcginnis | winston-d: Ah. The great "an" scourge of 2016. | 16:47 |
| hemna | I think die die die is in order. | 16:48 |
| scottda | That's an bad idea IMO | 16:48 |
| patrickeast | easy way to boost stats | 16:48 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Even diablo_rojo isn't that picky. ;-) | 16:48 |
| e0ne | personally, I don't like to review 2-3 lines patches wich doesn't fix real bugs | 16:48 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Hah! | 16:48 |
| hemna | jungleboyj, I dunno about that. | 16:48 |
| hemna | e0ne, +2 | 16:48 |
| diablo_rojo | hemna: Ouch. | 16:48 |
| e0ne | it's waste of time | 16:48 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: Agree. | 16:48 |
| patrickeast | e0ne: +1 | 16:48 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: I don't care that much. If it is small and someone wants to try to fix it, I will hit the button. But whatever. | 16:49 |
| winston-d | patrickeast: yup, that's most likely the motivation behind this. | 16:49 |
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| smcginnis | But then on the other hand, if we go through this batch cleanup processing that adds potentially more wasted time rather than just letting them through. | 16:49 |
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| smcginnis | So I'm not sure what's better. | 16:49 |
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| diablo_rojo | I dont think it would be so bad if it was all getting fixed in a single patch. | 16:49 |
| hemna | you can just ignore them | 16:49 |
| hemna | :P | 16:49 |
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| smcginnis | jungleboyj: I'm kind of at that point too. | 16:49 |
| e0ne | hemna: :) | 16:49 |
| hemna | we have a priority list anyway that we should be looking at. | 16:49 |
| hemna | if you want extra review stats padding, then go for it. | 16:49 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: True. | 16:49 |
| smcginnis | hemna: ++++1 | 16:49 |
| e0ne | hemna: agree | 16:49 |
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| jungleboyj | hemna: Agreed. | 16:50 |
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| e0ne | let's summurize our discussion | 16:50 |
| sheel | I would suggest to add BP for each such category : python3, pep8 etc | 16:51 |
| smcginnis | So I think we're saying - if it's a significant enough cleanup patch, it's at the cores discression whether to batch it? | 16:51 |
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| e0ne | we won't enforce CinderCodeCleanupPatches with -2 | 16:51 |
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| winston-d | I've been trying to discourage ppl from submitting such patch, but if that's what they want, whatever. | 16:51 |
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| e0ne | sheel: it will be 'in progress' forever | 16:51 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ | 16:51 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: I think we still can if there's reason to hold it off. | 16:51 |
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| sheel | e0ne:right | 16:52 |
| smcginnis | Or if we get 10 patches for the same thing in 10 different files we can push back and have them combine them. | 16:52 |
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| e0ne | smcginnis: fair enouph | 16:52 |
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| smcginnis | I don't know - does that make sense to everyone? Feel free to say otherwise. | 16:53 |
| hemna | e0ne, that's the other issue, is the bugs associated with such patches, will 'skew' our bug counts. :( | 16:54 |
| jungleboyj | I think it makes sense that we look to have people collapse patches if they are ridiculous. | 16:54 |
| smcginnis | hemna: That I'm definitely against and think we should actively push back on non-bug bugs. | 16:54 |
| hemna | for that reason alone, I think we should -2 individual patches, and make them do a single bug/patch to fix em. | 16:54 |
| jungleboyj | If we have some clean-up patches that are large and are going to cause rebase issues, put it into the code clean-up queue. | 16:54 |
| hemna | useless churn! | 16:54 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: +1 | 16:54 |
| DuncanT | hemna: Close the bug with 'not a bug' or something | 16:55 |
| jungleboyj | Definitely think we need to discourage bugs for simple things. | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: I prefer they're batched, or just flat out go away :) | 16:55 |
| e0ne | jungleboyj: is't just an(# TODO(e0ne): fix article in the following patch) rebase hell | 16:55 |
| hemna | jgriffith, +1 | 16:55 |
| sheel | e0ne : at least for pep8 issues we can raise one BP and fix all in one go to avoid multiple patches | 16:55 |
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| hemna | e0ne, :) | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | I've watched some of those "cleanup" patches that just flip fop things 3 times over the last 4 years | 16:55 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: So keep the policy we should have been following? | 16:55 |
| e0ne | jgriffith: +1 | 16:55 |
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| jgriffith | smcginnis: maybe... but honestly sometimes it's just easier to not fight it | 16:56 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: Very true | 16:56 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: but, that being said... if we clearly agreee and document what we expect... well then that's easy | 16:56 |
| jgriffith | the problem is we've never done that before, so it's kind of an individual thing | 16:57 |
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| e0ne | 3 mins reminder | 16:57 |
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| smcginnis | OK, how about we try to get back to enforcing CinderCodeCleanupPatches. But it can still be at a core's discretion to push something through if it seems like it's going to be easier not to go through the hoops? | 16:57 |
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| winston-d | smcginnis: +1 | 16:58 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: More work on the cores, but that is probably best. | 16:58 |
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| jungleboyj | Isn't really worth fighting over. | 16:58 |
| smcginnis | OK, makes sense then I guess. | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: works for me | 16:58 |
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| xyang1 | smcginnis: that's fine | 16:58 |
| e0ne | sounds good | 16:58 |
| hemna | coo | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: LOL... "I guess" | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | the disclaimer there :) | 16:58 |
| ntpttr | yhugik | 16:59 |
| smcginnis | Alright, I'll try to remember. :) | 16:59 |
| ntpttr | sorry! cat on keyboard | 16:59 |
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| smcginnis | OK, times up. | 16:59 |
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| smcginnis | Don't forget to midcycle planning. | 16:59 |
| smcginnis | Thanks everyone! | 16:59 |
| Swanson | toodles | 16:59 |
| jungleboyj | ntpttr: Oh, I miss those days. | 16:59 |
| smcginnis | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 6 16:59:43 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-01-06-16.00.html | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-01-06-16.00.txt | 16:59 |
| jungleboyj | Bye! | 16:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-01-06-16.00.log.html | 16:59 |
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| jlvillal | #startmeeting ironic_qa | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 6 17:01:12 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jlvillal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic_qa)" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic_qa' | 17:01 |
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| krtaylor | jlvillal, -qa I believe | 17:02 |
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| krtaylor | oh, and ... o/ | 17:03 |
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| jlvillal | Hello krtaylor. | 17:03 |
| mjturek1 | hello! o/ | 17:03 |
| sambetts | o/ | 17:03 |
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| [1]rpioso | o/ | 17:03 |
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| cdearborn | o/ | 17:03 |
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| jlvillal | #topic Announcements | 17:04 |
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| jlvillal | I don't have any announcements. | 17:04 |
| jlvillal | Besides welcome back and get to work! :) | 17:04 |
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| jlvillal | Anyone else have anything to announce? | 17:05 |
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| jlvillal | Okay moving on | 17:05 |
| jlvillal | #info No announcements | 17:05 |
| jlvillal | #topic Grenade testing | 17:05 |
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| jlvillal | #info jlvillal has been working on trying to simulate the devstack-gate environment as specified at https://github.com/openstack-infra/devstack-gate | 17:06 |
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| jlvillal | #info In hopes of speeding up the iteration speed on changes to Grenade | 17:07 |
| jlvillal | Anyone have anything to add for Grenade? | 17:07 |
| jlvillal | #info Looking for people who have experiencing setting up devstack-gate to answer questions | 17:07 |
| jlvillal | Moving on in | 17:07 |
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| krtaylor | boom | 17:08 |
| jlvillal | #topic Functional testing of openstack/ironic | 17:08 |
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| jlvillal | #info jlvillal focused on Grenade testing at the moment. | 17:08 |
| mjturek1 | jlvillal: so haven't had much time to look over your original patch set, but me krtaylor and maurosr are hoping to help with that | 17:08 |
| jlvillal | #info If anyone would like to work on functional testing for openstack/ironic, please let jlvillal know | 17:09 |
| mjturek1 | we've been more focused on getting our CI running | 17:09 |
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| jlvillal | mjturek1, Awesome. Any help would be greatly appreciated :) | 17:09 |
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| mjturek1 | jlvillal: I'll probably have a funch of questions for you sometime soon | 17:09 |
| krtaylor | yeah, we have to get past some downstream work first | 17:09 |
| jlvillal | I've been fighting with devstack-gate this week. | 17:09 |
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| jlvillal | Thanks. Looking forward to when y'all have free time available. | 17:10 |
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| mjturek1 | cool!! | 17:10 |
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| jlvillal | #info mjturek1, krtaylor, and maurosr are hoping to be able to work on functional testing soon. | 17:10 |
| jlvillal | Moving on in | 17:11 |
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| jlvillal | #topic 3rd Party CI - krtaylor | 17:11 |
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| jlvillal | krtaylor, I'll give this one to you :) | 17:11 |
| rajinir | o/ | 17:11 |
| jlvillal | krtaylor, Any updates? | 17:11 |
| krtaylor | sure, not much to say | 17:12 |
| krtaylor | been on vacation | 17:12 |
| jlvillal | We can say no updates | 17:12 |
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| krtaylor | but expect a patch from me soon, get the docs started | 17:12 |
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| jlvillal | krtaylor, Can you hashtag-info that? | 17:12 |
| krtaylor | sure | 17:12 |
| jlvillal | :) | 17:12 |
| krtaylor | #info Third-party CI docs patch underway | 17:13 |
| krtaylor | I would like to get input from some of the other teams doing their CI standup | 17:13 |
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| krtaylor | but that's about it for now | 17:13 |
| jlvillal | Great. Also there is a general openstack-qa meeting which I have been wanting to attend. | 17:14 |
| jlvillal | Okay, moving on in | 17:14 |
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| krtaylor | yes, great source of info, tempest focused | 17:14 |
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| jlvillal | #topic Open Discussion / General QA topics | 17:14 |
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| jlvillal | Does anyone want to discuss anything? | 17:14 |
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| jlvillal | I'll give it 30 more seconds without a response | 17:15 |
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| mjturek1 | jlvillal: I have a patch that I'd like some eyes on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/258670/ | 17:15 |
| mjturek1 | Ironic was asked to not have so many timeouts in tempest, I hope this qualifies as relevant to the meeting | 17:16 |
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| jlvillal | #info Reviews desired on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/258670/ which is patch to consolidate the timeouts used by Ironic in Tempest | 17:16 |
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| jlvillal | mjturek1, Thanks. At the moment I don't know much about tempest, but can see what I can figure out | 17:17 |
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| jlvillal | Anything else from anyone? | 17:17 |
| krtaylor | also, since we are almost ready to turn on our testing, I was going to list our "driver" as pxe_ipmi (ppc64) as we do with nova libvirt | 17:17 |
| krtaylor | goes back to the old platform vs driver discussion | 17:17 |
| krtaylor | but we will also move to IPA soon | 17:18 |
| mjturek1 | krtaylor: sorry, list it where specifically? | 17:18 |
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| jlvillal | krtaylor, Okay. Do you want us to make a note of that in this meeting? | 17:18 |
| krtaylor | in the list of tested drivers | 17:18 |
| mjturek1 | krtaylor: gotcha thanks | 17:18 |
| krtaylor | not unless there is an objection I guess | 17:18 |
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| jlvillal | No objection from me. | 17:18 |
| jlvillal | Anything else from anyone? | 17:19 |
| jlvillal | Thanks everyone! | 17:19 |
| mjturek1 | Thanks! Happy New Year | 17:19 |
| krtaylor | happy new year everyone! | 17:19 |
| jlvillal | Have a great morning, day, evening, night! | 17:19 |
| jlvillal | #endmeeting | 17:19 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 6 17:19:50 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:19 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2016/ironic_qa.2016-01-06-17.01.html | 17:19 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2016/ironic_qa.2016-01-06-17.01.txt | 17:19 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2016/ironic_qa.2016-01-06-17.01.log.html | 17:19 |
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| notmyname | swift team meeting time | 21:00 |
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| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jan 6 21:00:24 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
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| notmyname | hello, everyone. who's here for the swift meeting? | 21:00 |
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| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:00 |
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| jlhinson | o/ | 21:00 |
| Zyric_ | Hello | 21:00 |
| minwoob_ | o/ | 21:00 |
| kota_ | hello | 21:00 |
| Guest56516 | o/ | 21:00 |
| joeljwright | hello | 21:00 |
| pdardeau | o/ | 21:00 |
| acoles | hi | 21:00 |
| m_kazuhiro | o/ | 21:00 |
| blmartin | o/ | 21:00 |
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| cschwede | o/ | 21:00 |
| jrichli | hello | 21:00 |
| eranrom | hi | 21:00 |
| redbo | yo | 21:00 |
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| notmyname | Guest56516: ho? | 21:01 |
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| Guest56516 | yep | 21:01 |
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| wbhuber | hi | 21:01 |
| notmyname | great to see everyone! | 21:01 |
| hurricanerix | \o/ | 21:01 |
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| mattoliverau | hurricanerix seems excited | 21:01 |
| notmyname | it's been a while since we've met. I hope your 2015 ended well | 21:02 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: why wouldn't he be? isn't this your week's high point? it's swift team meeting time! | 21:02 |
| wbhuber | it did. it got us here. :) | 21:02 |
| hurricanerix | mattoliverau: i am always excited! | 21:02 |
| minwoob_ | +1 | 21:02 |
| mattoliverau | true, though I'n under cafeinated for this time of the morning | 21:02 |
| notmyname | I was out for two weeks, so I'm still catching up and remembering all the stuff going on :-) | 21:03 |
| mattoliverau | +1 | 21:03 |
| notmyname | a couple of things to note | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | first, sometime in the last 2 weeks, we hit 500 total contributors to swift (unique patch authors + reviewers) | 21:03 |
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| cutforth | hello | 21:03 |
| notmyname | that's really cool! | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | graph at http://d.not.mn/total_contribs.png | 21:04 |
| kota_ | great! | 21:04 |
| wbhuber | Impressive! | 21:04 |
| joeljwright | :) | 21:04 |
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| notmyname | the other thing is I took some time this mornign to update the review dashboard | 21:05 |
| notmyname | new features from the new gerrit give us some more functionality | 21:05 |
| notmyname | https://goo.gl/mtEv1C | 21:05 |
| mattoliverau | oh really | 21:05 |
| notmyname | the biggest change is the "small things" section | 21:05 |
| notmyname | that's 10 patches that are less than 10 lines each | 21:06 |
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| mattoliverau | ahh nice | 21:06 |
| torgomatic | ahoy | 21:06 |
| * acoles is busy breaking his patches down into smaller ones | 21:06 | |
| notmyname | I hope maybe we can use that to quickly close them. like if you've got a few minutes before a meeting and can do something small | 21:06 |
| notmyname | lol | 21:06 |
| cschwede | so we split our patches in subsets of 9LOC, and they will merged semi-automatically? | 21:06 |
| notmyname | cschwede: exactly! | 21:06 |
| cschwede | great! | 21:07 |
| notmyname | i limited it to 10. there's soemthing like 60 or 70 that are that size | 21:07 |
| acoles | notmyname: i am glad to see the priority reviews are still at the top | 21:07 |
| notmyname | the query is "delta:<=10 | 21:08 |
| notmyname | " | 21:08 |
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| notmyname | yeah, a couple of other changes there | 21:08 |
| joeljwright | nice to see swiftclient in there too | 21:08 |
| cschwede | notmyname: that dashboard looks good! | 21:08 |
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| joeljwright | :) | 21:08 |
| notmyname | I filtered out all the ones that have a merge conflict | 21:08 |
| notmyname | joeljwright: it's always been there ;-) | 21:08 |
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| notmyname | if you want to see the definitions, I proposed them upstream at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/264315/ | 21:09 |
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| notmyname | this is in line with the bigger-picture stuff I'm working on | 21:10 |
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| notmyname | we've got a lot going on. lots of people working on lots of different stuff | 21:10 |
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| notmyname | but unlike eg storage policies or erasure codes, there's not this One Big Thing (tm) that everyone is doing | 21:10 |
| notmyname | the closes we have now is the crypto work, but it's not got as much attention from everyone, honestly | 21:11 |
| notmyname | so the thing I'm working on, in general, is to help us all understand the things being done and tie it together | 21:11 |
| notmyname | I've got a couple of other things that I'm working on, and I hope they pan out and I can share them soon | 21:12 |
| notmyname | but, I need your help :-) | 21:12 |
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| notmyname | to know what's going on, what you think is important, and overall how we're moving swift forward | 21:12 |
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| cschwede | where/how do we share our bits of interest? | 21:13 |
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| cschwede | notmyname: send a mail to you? | 21:13 |
| notmyname | that would be great for long-form stuff. also IRC (public or pm) is fine | 21:14 |
| notmyname | I'd be happy to call you too. :-) | 21:14 |
| notmyname | so that's where my head is recently. I hope some minor changes (like the "small things" dashboard section) can help us keep momentum going on all the upstream work and tie it together | 21:14 |
| notmyname | any thoughts, questions, or comments about any of that? | 21:15 |
| notmyname | oh, and I think all of you should have my email, but it's me@not.mn if you don't | 21:16 |
| cschwede | good idea! more during the call ;) | 21:16 |
| mattoliverau | Well I think the small things is a great idea. | 21:17 |
| notmyname | the hackathon is coming up. I think we can open up the registrations publicly next week | 21:17 |
| mattoliverau | as for talking, I think you should fly down here so we can talk in person.. maybe next month :P | 21:17 |
| acoles | notmyname: as well as the small things momentum, we need to not lose sight of the long running "big items" | 21:17 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: great idea ;-) | 21:17 |
| notmyname | acoles: of course! and that's the trick, right? :-) | 21:17 |
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| acoles | notmyname: so i suggest you keep prodding us on those :) | 21:17 |
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| notmyname | acoles: ok. will do :-) | 21:18 |
| mattoliverau | +1 | 21:18 |
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| notmyname | acoles: how's fast-post coming? ;-) | 21:18 |
| mattoliverau | lol | 21:18 |
| acoles | oh boy | 21:18 |
| notmyname | lol | 21:18 |
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| notmyname | ok, so acoles (when he's not doing fast-post) has got a cool hotel room block for us and is working on good evening stuff one night | 21:18 |
| acoles | notmyname: i was thiniking sharding, concurrent gets.... | 21:18 |
| notmyname | acoles: that's all mattoliverau | 21:19 |
| acoles | yeah but we have to review it | 21:19 |
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| eranrom | :) | 21:20 |
| mattoliverau | umm. yeah... :P | 21:20 |
| acoles | notmyname: all: i should have hotel info out this week. holidays held things up. | 21:20 |
| notmyname | oh, kinda on the same general topic... be thinking about the specs. how's it working for you now? what should change (if anything)? | 21:20 |
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| notmyname | I don't want to discuss now, but it would be a good hackathon topic, I think | 21:21 |
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| notmyname | we've been using them for about a year or so now. so it's good to see if it's still valuable or not | 21:21 |
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| mattoliverau | acoles: do you have one of those remote virtual robot things and I can control from here? ;) | 21:21 |
| notmyname | so be thinking about it. and if you don't like something, then what you'd change or do differently | 21:21 |
| acoles | mattoliverau: sock puppet? ;) | 21:22 |
| notmyname | so on to the meeting agenda stuff... | 21:22 |
| mattoliverau | a mattoliverau sock puppet would be awesome | 21:22 |
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| notmyname | because of the holidays I don't have any particular patches to highlight. other than just "go review the starred ones" | 21:22 |
| notmyname | but there are a couple of things that have been added to the agenda | 21:23 |
| notmyname | eranrom: because of timezones, let's start with the bug you added | 21:23 |
| notmyname | #topic bug 1419901 | 21:23 |
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| openstack | bug 1419901 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "container-sync checks invalid ClientException" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1419901 - Assigned to Eran Rom (eranr) | 21:23 |
| eranrom | Thanks! | 21:23 |
| notmyname | eranrom: what's up? what do you want to discuss about it? | 21:23 |
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| eranrom | Well, for us (IBM) its kind o critical bug so as to deploy in production | 21:24 |
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| eranrom | although > 10 LOC still a small patch | 21:24 |
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| notmyname | ah, ok. important bug. breaking things. you have a patch. needs reviews | 21:24 |
| notmyname | patch 260204 | 21:24 |
| patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/260204/ - Container-Sync to check the right client exception | 21:24 |
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| notmyname | eranrom: is that about right? | 21:25 |
| eranrom | right. so would love to see it also in 2.5.1. BTW thanks a lot to acoles and mattoliverau for reviewig the other containr sync stuff | 21:25 |
| jrichli | +1 | 21:25 |
| notmyname | eranrom: ah? as a backport? or just "in the next release"? | 21:25 |
| eranrom | next release. BTW - do we know when it will happen (next release) | 21:26 |
| notmyname | asap | 21:26 |
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| eranrom | :-) | 21:26 |
| Guest56516 | is it simular with patch 256306? | 21:26 |
| patchbot | Guest56516: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/256306/ - Fix ClientException handling in Container Sync | 21:26 |
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| eranrom | apparently yes :-) | 21:27 |
| eranrom | Only I made the change in container sync and 256306 fixes this in SimpleClient | 21:28 |
| notmyname | Guest56516: (ho) eranrom it would be great for the two of you to mutually co-review and see if the patch needs to be combined or not | 21:28 |
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| eranrom | sure | 21:29 |
| Guest56516 | notmyname, eranrom: sure. | 21:29 |
| notmyname | thanks | 21:29 |
| acoles | i added a link to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/256306/ on the bug report | 21:29 |
| notmyname | eranrom: I starred your patch, too. | 21:29 |
| notmyname | acoles: thanks | 21:29 |
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| eranrom | thanks! | 21:29 |
| notmyname | and bug marked as critical so it will be noticed before a release. I'd like to see it included too | 21:30 |
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| notmyname | ho: yay. thanks | 21:30 |
| notmyname | for the nick change ;-) | 21:30 |
| notmyname | eranrom: anything else there? | 21:30 |
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| eranrom | notmyname: great, thanks! | 21:31 |
| eranrom | no | 21:31 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:31 |
| acoles | come back ho! | 21:31 |
| Guest36234 | notmyname: sorry for it. | 21:31 |
| notmyname | #topic PUT/COPY with range | 21:31 |
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| notmyname | kota_: this is one you added to the agenda | 21:31 |
| kota_ | my turn | 21:31 |
| kota_ | yes | 21:31 |
| notmyname | I think I saw some IRC scrollback about this | 21:31 |
| notmyname | what's up? | 21:31 |
| kota_ | during i was reviewing a patch, i found that | 21:32 |
| kota_ | so | 21:32 |
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| kota_ | here, i'd like to talk on "PUT with X-Copy-From" (not COPY) to clarify my description. | 21:32 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:32 |
| kota_ | at first, currently swift *can* work with PUT X-Copy-From with Range header | 21:33 |
| notmyname | right | 21:33 |
| kota_ | to make a partial copied object | 21:33 |
| notmyname | since that gets passed to the backend GET and the response is the body of the new object | 21:33 |
| kota_ | however i was wondering the "Range" should be on GET, semantically it suggests the range to retrieve the object. | 21:34 |
| kota_ | and i found the RFC about that | 21:34 |
| notmyname | #link https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7233 | 21:34 |
| kota_ | at RFC7233 | 21:34 |
| kota_ | yes | 21:34 |
| kota_ | at section 3.1 | 21:34 |
| -kota_- A server | 21:34 | |
| -kota_- MUST ignore a Range header field received with a request method other | 21:34 | |
| -kota_- than GET. | 21:34 | |
| notmyname | hmm | 21:35 |
| kota_ | it looks to violate the RFC and no docs in Swift api. | 21:35 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:35 |
| kota_ | either is fine, to keep current or do something but i'd like to confirm opinions from swifters. | 21:36 |
| notmyname | you had 2 or 3 options in the agenda proposed | 21:36 |
| mattoliverau | But a PUT does ignore the Range header, so that's fine right? | 21:36 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: yeah | 21:36 |
| kota_ | yes | 21:36 |
| notmyname | option 1: keep current behavior and update docs | 21:36 |
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| kota_ | if someone already use it and be hurt with change, we should keep current behavior like quoted etag, i think | 21:36 |
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| notmyname | option 2: disallow/ignore range on non-GET and support the same functionality a different way (query param?) | 21:37 |
| kota_ | if so, i just push a patch to update docs, yes swift support this semantics. | 21:37 |
| kota_ | and next is | 21:37 |
| kota_ | to make swift to ignore the Range header at PUT request acorrding to RFC | 21:38 |
| kota_ | and make a new header (e.g. X-Copy-Range?) to support this functionality. | 21:38 |
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| notmyname | my vote would be for option1. keep current behavior and update the docs to show that we support it | 21:39 |
| jrichli | +1 | 21:39 |
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| mattoliverau | So a COPY comes in, it becomes a GET and PUT, the range header is not ignored in the GET (correct) and _is_ ignored in the PUT (correct) so I think only docs need to change if they (the docs) aren't correct. | 21:39 |
| acoles | hmmm, so does "ignore" allow for passing the header on to the GET request, or does "ignore" strictly mean discarding it? | 21:39 |
| acoles | mattoliverau: yes, same as I am thinking | 21:39 |
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| acoles | notmyname: +1, leave as is and document | 21:40 |
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| mattoliverau | I think ignore means ignore the header is there, like any other X-header that swift doesn't know about | 21:40 |
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| joeljwright | +1 for that interpretation of 'ignore' | 21:40 |
| acoles | mattoliverau: so the only "server" that does not ignore it is object server handling a GET | 21:40 |
| jrichli | I would think the spirit of the RFC is referring to the client interface only: they used PUT, and a range header at the same time. regardless of how the server implements the request | 21:41 |
| notmyname | while I agree with your conclusion, my reading of the spec is that the header doesn't affect the result and we're in violation of it | 21:41 |
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| notmyname | (and I'm ok with that) | 21:41 |
| jrichli | +1 | 21:42 |
| notmyname | several people want to keep current behavior. anyone want to argue for dropping current behavior? | 21:42 |
| notmyname | kota_: what do you want to do? | 21:42 |
| mattoliverau | The header doesn't, the GET gets the data, the PUT is ignoring the header and placing what the GET is giving it.. but sure. either way I vote #1 :) | 21:42 |
| kota_ | tbh, it would be good to change behavior but it's ok to keep current one. | 21:43 |
| acoles | notmyname: i see your point re modifying the result. | 21:43 |
| timburke | i'd like to note that the behavior when multiple ranges are specified is...unlikely to be what a client actually wants. we store the multipart MIME doc (!) that's returned, which feels like a transport detail, rather than the concatenation of the ranges | 21:43 |
| notmyname | timburke: oh yeah. I think that's ugly too | 21:44 |
| mattoliverau | that's sure multi range is a different kettle of fish | 21:44 |
| torgomatic | let's not open that kettle of worms | 21:44 |
| mattoliverau | s/sure/true/ | 21:44 |
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| notmyname | we can dodge it with sloranges | 21:44 |
| jrichli | torgomatic: but we haven't even mentioned mixing large objects in there yet! | 21:44 |
| timburke | yup. just pointing out that we may need to change the implementation somewhat *anyway* | 21:45 |
| notmyname | what if I do a fast-post with multi-ranges and it references other large objects? in an encrypted cluster? | 21:45 |
| mattoliverau | or in the COPY middleware.. when that's done | 21:45 |
| jrichli | ugh ... | 21:45 |
| notmyname | heh | 21:45 |
| mattoliverau | lol | 21:45 |
| kota_ | yeah | 21:46 |
| notmyname | yeah, copy middleware. that's one of those other big things acoles is talking about :-) | 21:46 |
| acoles | notmyname: depends on backend latency ;) | 21:46 |
| mattoliverau | notmyname: nice loop back :) | 21:46 |
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| notmyname | acoles: yeah! to tape! | 21:46 |
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| notmyname | so are we in agreement for now? we keep current behavior but we need docs for it | 21:46 |
| acoles | notmyname: lets notify some other service | 21:46 |
| mattoliverau | +1 | 21:46 |
| mattoliverau | and tdasilva can look at fixing multi-range in the COPY middleware :P | 21:47 |
| kota_ | ok, i will make a patch to update docs :) | 21:47 |
| notmyname | #agreed keep current behavior but add docs | 21:47 |
| notmyname | kota_: thanks | 21:47 |
| notmyname | #topic open discussion | 21:47 |
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| notmyname | anything else to bring up this week? | 21:47 |
| timburke | in those docs, do we...include warnings about how you should only include a single range? or document the existing multi-range behavior? | 21:47 |
| onovy | patch 238799 | 21:47 |
| patchbot | onovy: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/238799/ - Change schedule priority of daemon/server in config | 21:48 |
| notmyname | timburke: sounds like a good review comment ;-) | 21:48 |
| onovy | we talked about it before chrismas | 21:48 |
| kota_ | timburke: +1 | 21:48 |
| notmyname | onovy: that wasn't even this year! | 21:48 |
| onovy | notmyname: :) | 21:48 |
| onovy | so it's realy really old patch? :) | 21:49 |
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| notmyname | onovy: I'd love to have some other ops comments on it, too | 21:50 |
| notmyname | eg donnagh or ahale | 21:50 |
| notmyname | pdardeau: how's the dev_id limit patch? | 21:51 |
| pdardeau | coming along, working on getting last unit test to pass | 21:51 |
| acoles | notmyname: i'll ask donagh if he'd take a look | 21:51 |
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| notmyname | pdardeau: cool. I'm looking forward to seeing it | 21:51 |
| notmyname | acoles: thanks | 21:51 |
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| notmyname | acoles: or lorcan | 21:52 |
| onovy | 21:34:25 <ahale> hi here o/ yeah thats a good idea imo | 21:52 |
| notmyname | onovy: cool | 21:52 |
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| onovy | 21:34:45 <briancline> onovy: I actually asked our ops folks about this recently. we already control these in production through other means, so we're fine with this going in as long as its optional, which it certainly seems to be | 21:52 |
| notmyname | anything else from anyone? | 21:52 |
| onovy | notmyname: last swift meeting logs :) | 21:52 |
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| notmyname | onovy: nice :-) | 21:52 |
| timburke | i'd love to get patch 226897 through; currently, swiftclient can't retry failed segment uploads | 21:52 |
| patchbot | timburke: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226897/ - Make LengthWrappers resettable if their _readable ... | 21:52 |
| onovy | so conclusion? will look someone to it pls? | 21:52 |
| joeljwright | timburke: will take a look | 21:53 |
| acoles | timburke: ack | 21:53 |
| torgomatic | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/212824/ could use examination | 21:53 |
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| mattoliverau | onovy: I'll add it to my review list | 21:53 |
| timburke | thanks joeljwright, acoles | 21:53 |
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| notmyname | onovy: can you add those snippets to the review comments? would help (me at least) not ask the same questions over and over about it :-) | 21:53 |
| onovy | mattoliverau: thanks | 21:53 |
| timburke | i'm also curious to know whether tdasilva and cschwede have gotten a chance to really play with patch 214922 | 21:53 |
| patchbot | timburke: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/214922/ - Add delete markers to versioned_writes middleware | 21:53 |
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| onovy | notmyname: yep | 21:53 |
| blmartin | I would like to finish out https://review.openstack.org/#/c/257577/ if anyone has time to review. I think its getting close to done | 21:53 |
| cschwede | timburke: not yet :( | 21:53 |
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| notmyname | blmartin: I think I looked at that already. I should look again | 21:54 |
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| blmartin | that would be great! | 21:54 |
| notmyname | torgomatic: yes! that's also something Zyric_ is working on | 21:54 |
| notmyname | (the audit watchers) | 21:54 |
| Zyric_ | torgomatic: Indeed, considering my work so far is heavily based on your patch I think I owe you a review too :) | 21:54 |
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| Guest36234 | I would like to have review on patch 202411 (sorry for my nick) | 21:55 |
| patchbot | Guest36234: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/202411/ - Add functional test for access control (RBAC) with... | 21:55 |
| notmyname | Guest36234: it's on my todo list | 21:55 |
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| Guest36234 | notmyname: thanks! | 21:55 |
| notmyname | we definitely owe you a review on that after the conversation in tokyo | 21:55 |
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| mattoliverau | +1 | 21:55 |
| acoles | Guest36234: is that on the <= 10 lines list :) :) | 21:56 |
| onovy | blmartin: done | 21:56 |
| Guest36234 | acoles: lol | 21:56 |
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| * acoles apologises for not reviewing it again yet | 21:56 | |
| Guest36234 | acoles: np! | 21:57 |
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| notmyname | ok. I think we're done with the meeting for this week. thanks for coming | 21:58 |
| notmyname | and thanks for being part of the 509 swift contributors :-) | 21:58 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 21:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jan 6 21:58:23 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2016/swift.2016-01-06-21.00.html | 21:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2016/swift.2016-01-06-21.00.txt | 21:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2016/swift.2016-01-06-21.00.log.html | 21:58 |
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| jrichli | :-) | 21:58 |
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