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YipeiHi12:41
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Yipei_Hi, Joe12:56
Yipei_Can you see my message?12:57
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Yipei_Hi Zhiyuan12:59
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zhiyuanhi yipei13:00
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joehuangjhi13:01
joehuangyes, I can see your mesxage13:01
joehuangjust have a phone call13:01
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joehuanghello, let's start the meeting13:01
Yipei_OK.13:02
joehuang#startmeeting tricircle13:02
openstackMeeting started Wed Jan 13 13:02:06 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is joehuang. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.13:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.13:02
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*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tricircle)"13:02
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'tricircle'13:02
joehuanghi, Yipei, welcome to join tricircle, could you pls introduce your self?13:02
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Yipei_OK. Hi everybody, My name is Yipei13:03
Yipei_I am a master student of Huazhong university of science and technology13:03
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joehuanggreat, I graduated from HUST too13:04
zhiyuanwelcome to join!13:04
joehuang#topic rollcall13:04
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joehuang#info joehuang13:04
zhiyuan#info zhiyuan13:04
Yipei_really?! Which year?13:05
joehuang199913:05
joehuangold enough13:05
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joehuang#topic phase2 progress13:06
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joehuang#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/TricircleToDo13:06
Yipei_you must be experienced13:06
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joehuanglet's look at the todolist13:06
Yipei_OK13:06
joehuang#info cinder volume CRUD patch was merged today13:07
joehuangZhiyuan, how about your patch13:08
zhiyuanI just submitted a refined patch, the exception when operating bottom OpenStack is considered13:08
joehuangok, review tomorrow.13:09
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zhiyuanwhen neutron plugin fails to attach interfaces in bottom pod, it will try to delete the interfaces on top and bottom13:10
zhiyuanif deleting operation fails again, the top interface will remain unbound, user can use it to attach again13:10
joehuangany resource either could be rolled back, or could be reused again.13:11
joehuangif something failed during the operation to bottom openstack13:12
joehuangI think this could be one of our design principle13:12
joehuang#info any resource either could be rolled back, or could be reused again if something failed during the operation to bottom openstack13:13
joehuanghi Yipei, which feature do you want to be the first step for your, or some bugs?13:14
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joehuangWe can help you to be family with adding code to tricircle13:15
Yipei_I am still trying to get familiar with the project13:15
joehuangmore help needed?13:15
Yipei_Yes13:16
joehuangfor example13:16
Yipei_I read the blueprint of tircircle13:16
joehuangany question13:16
Yipei_i feel much better than solely reading source code13:17
Yipei_but i just don't know where and how to get started13:17
joehuangyou can try playing tricircle with devstack13:18
joehuang#link https://github.com/openstack/tricircle/tree/experiment13:18
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Yipei_OK. I will try13:19
joehuangyou can see how the process will run, receive and process request13:19
zhiyuanto yipei, do you know the motivation of Tricircle?13:19
Yipei_yes, sure13:20
joehuangall services are started from the scripts located in cmd folder13:20
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zhiyuanso maybe you can start from the data model, like Pod, PodBing, ResourceRoutgin13:20
zhiyuans/ResourceRoutgin/ResourceRouting13:21
Yipei_OK, got it13:21
joehuangyes, I think Yipei can try to add some fields to the pod table,13:21
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zhiyuanthen you can dig into the volume controller, I think it's easy to understand than nova, neutron, since not many resource dependency13:22
joehuangnow the "group affinity" field is missing in the pod table13:22
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joehuangyes, cinder-apigw is relative easy to understand13:22
zhiyuanthe volume controller was merged just now, as Joe said13:22
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joehuanghi, Zhiyuan, I changed the doc update to done for the task"DHCP""networking concurrency"13:24
zhiyuanok, thanks joe13:24
joehuangzhiyuan, if we move the experiment to master, is it a big impact to your patch?13:25
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zhiyuanI think it's better after the l3 networking part1 patch is merged13:26
joehuangok13:26
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zhiyuanotherwise I am not sure whether I can figure out which files to copy to master branch13:27
joehuangunderstand13:27
joehuangour experiment has already given us very positive feedback13:28
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joehuangit's time to move experiment to master13:28
zhiyuanthat's cool13:28
joehuangso tricircle will use stateless design in the master13:28
joehuang#info move the experiment branch to master to adopt stateless design for Tricircle service13:29
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joehuangany other topic to be discussed?13:29
zhiyuanoh, maybe we can start to use #openstack-tricircle channel13:30
Yipei_next week, i plan to play tricircle with devstack and then understand the data model. if smooth, i will try to add some fields in the pod table13:30
Yipei_how about it?13:30
joehuangthanks Yipei13:30
zhiyuanso yipei can discuss with joe and me online13:30
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joehuangyes good ides13:30
joehuang#info use openstack-tricircle channel for daily communication13:31
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joehuangand I'll start the "quota" feature in phase213:31
joehuangbecause I want to find out whether there is some issue for quota control13:32
zhiyuanok, I will take item1 then item413:32
joehuangwe can move VM operation to phase 313:33
joehuangany more topics?13:34
zhiyuanno for me13:34
Yipei_no for me13:34
joehuangYiper's suggestion is a good stat13:34
joehuangstat -> start13:35
joehuangok13:35
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joehuanglet's conclude the meeting13:35
joehuangthanks for attending, have a nice day13:35
joehuang#endmeeting13:35
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zhiyuangood night13:35
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Yipei_bye13:35
joehuanggoodnight13:35
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ShillaSaebi#startmeeting docteam14:01
openstackMeeting started Wed Jan 13 14:01:34 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ShillaSaebi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:01
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berendthi there14:02
ShillaSaebihello, anyone here for the docs team meeting?14:02
ShillaSaebihi berendt14:02
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berendtnothing from my side at the moment, if nobody else is here we can skip the meeting14:03
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Sam-I-Amhmmmm14:04
ShillaSaebihi Sam-I-Am14:04
Sam-I-Ami think your calendar might be a week off14:04
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ShillaSaebilast meeting we had for US was 12/1614:05
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Sam-I-Ambut hello anyway :)14:05
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Sam-I-Amaccording to the ics file, the us meeting is next week14:05
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Sam-I-Amother projects had this problem too14:05
ShillaSaebihmmm14:06
ShillaSaebireally14:06
ShillaSaebitoday is the right date for it14:06
ShillaSaebii wonder how that happened14:06
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Sam-I-Amhttp://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/irc-meetings/tree/meetings/doc-team-meeting.yaml14:06
Sam-I-Ambiweekly-odd for this time14:07
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Sam-I-Amjanuary started on a friday, so if thats considered the first week, this is the third week14:07
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ShillaSaebiok so maybe because it reset14:08
ShillaSaebifor the biweekly14:08
ShillaSaebiok thats fine, lets meet next week again then14:08
Sam-I-Amif odd/even is based on the year, it did reset14:09
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ShillaSaebiunless anyone has anything they want to bring up?14:09
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Sam-I-Ami should go read the docs :)14:09
ShillaSaebilol14:09
smcginnisThis might explain: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-December/082902.html14:09
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Sam-I-Amsmcginnis: ding!14:09
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smcginnis:)14:10
Sam-I-Ami didnt see that one14:10
Sam-I-AmShillaSaebi: anything interesting going on? we havent met in a while at any rate14:11
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ShillaSaebinothing interesting from my side14:11
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ShillaSaebianyone have anything they want to bring up?14:11
ShillaSaebithanks for the catch on the dates14:11
ShillaSaebiwe will do this again next week14:12
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Sam-I-Amsounds good14:12
* Sam-I-Am goes back to pre-coffee confusion14:12
ShillaSaebihahaha14:12
ShillaSaebiditto!14:12
ShillaSaebialright well thanks everyone, sorry for the mix up14:12
ShillaSaebiwe will do this again next time14:12
ShillaSaebii mean next week14:12
ShillaSaebisame time same place14:12
ShillaSaebibye!14:12
ShillaSaebi#endmeeting14:13
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Zaraanyone about for the storyboard meeting?15:00
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SotKI am!15:00
betherlyo/15:00
Zara\o/15:00
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Zara#startmeeting StoryBoard15:01
openstackMeeting started Wed Jan 13 15:01:27 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is Zara. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:01
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:01
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Zara#topic Announcements15:01
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Zaranothing on agenda; anyone have anything to announce?15:02
SotK_o_15:02
Zarain that case, let's move on!15:02
Zara#topic Urgent Items15:02
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Zaranothing on agenda but I think two things should be. 1) SotK has just sent a very interesting patch15:02
Zaracan potentially speed up storyboard... 17.5 times. #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/266961/15:03
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Zaraam very excited about it, and the faster it's tested the better! =D15:03
betherlyi noticed in the storyboard channel that it could have broken tests. is it worth me waiting for the go ahead to review the code?15:04
Zarathing number 2: the first email notification will start once we make all the templates. these are WIP, but I'm hitting some walls15:04
Zarabetherly: yes, though I'd suggest waiting until the tests finish,  rather than waiting for us specifically to say 'go for it!' :)15:05
betherlyZara: ok cool thanks15:05
Zara:)15:05
Zaraso yeah, templates so far are here: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/owner:zara.zaimeche%2540codethink.co.uk+status:open and I've mentioned a few things in the channel if people want to read backscroll, etc15:06
SotKit'll probably be fine, I just haven't run the test suite because my set up makes that a little difficult :)15:06
ZaraI believe that after the email templates are merged, we just need to merge the button in the webclient, and users will be able to trial email notifications. is that right?15:07
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SotKyeah15:07
Zara\o/ my understanding so far: we're missing templates for task deletion and user comments, and the other templates in review need some improvements.15:07
Zarabut I think these could be finished by the end of the week.15:08
ZaraI can be a bit optimistic but that opinion is why I'm marking it urgent! :) any help on these would be great.15:09
Zaradoes anyone have anything else?15:09
SotK_o_15:10
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Zara#info Zara would like help on email templates since they're nearly there!15:10
Zaraokay, moving on15:10
Zara#topic In Progress Work15:10
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Zaraalways lots of this...15:10
ZaraI gather Worklists and Boards are getting some dramatic improvements15:11
SotKwell, adding cards to them is :)15:11
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Zarawell that's the bit which needs it!15:11
SotKI'm almost ready to send a patch for that, but it wasn't very nice to use with the stories API being slow15:11
Zaraexcellent \o/15:12
SotKI also plan to speed up loading of boards and worklists soon too15:12
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SotKsince they currently take a little while to be populated15:13
Zaracool. :) this patch is currently waiting in review btw:15:13
Zara#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263728/15:13
Zara#info worklists and boards are getting lots of UX fixes, bit by bit.15:13
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Zarathe agenda says that SotK has been working on emails, but that's been me this week15:14
Zaraas y'all can probably tell from my cries for help :D15:14
SotK:D15:15
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ZaraSo far we have templates for tasks, tags, and stories in review. we're missing task-deletion and user comments. (and the ones we do have need some work)15:15
Zara*the ones we have15:16
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ZaraI've gone into some detail about my confusion in #storyboard so I won't repeat it here15:16
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Zara#info Zara has been working on email templates, with mixed results15:17
ZaraThe other thing we have listed is the roadmap-- I've finally got round to updating it to match current status of emails!15:18
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SotK\o/15:18
Zarathat can hopefully serve as a refresher for anyone who's wondering 'why templates?'. the formatting's still a bit ugly. I think the timeline events vs recent events stuff may need a bit of tweaking15:19
Zarabut it's not urgent compared to other work atm, so I'm sticking it on my backlog15:19
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Zara#info spec'n'roadmap finally updated15:20
Zara#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StoryBoard/Notifications15:20
Zaraany other In Progress work?15:20
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Zara#topic Discussion Topics15:21
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ZaraNothing listed, so...15:21
Zara#topic Open Discussion15:21
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Zaraanyone have anything?15:21
SotK_o_15:22
Zaraso in general, I think it looks like we have to continue juggling development on worklists/boards and emails, but emails should be less urgent once we get the rudimentary version through. until then, our work there so far is invisible.15:23
* SotK would like to look at the links-in-tasks stuff soon15:24
Zarayeah, me too15:24
ZaraI see that as helping with worklists and boards, too15:24
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Zaramy personal map is 'emails, then links in tasks while we get feedback on emails, then back to emails'15:25
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Zaraalong with everything else probably lol15:25
SotK:D15:26
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Zaraoh yeah, I know what I completely forgot!15:26
ZaraWe have a storyboard meetup planned for the 17th (and maybe 18th) Feb. still very much in the planning stage15:26
Zaraetherpad here: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/StoryBoard_Mitaka_Midcycle15:27
Zarait clashes with the UX midcycle, so it'd be good to arrange something separately with UX folks if they're interested15:27
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ZaraI think storyboard could use more UX input, given neither myself nor SotK really have a UX background. and the webclient has a buglist of UX issues which might be of interest to the UX team more generally.15:29
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* SotK thinks so too15:31
Zaraeg: it'd good to work together on some things from this story: https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/85 , though I don't think SotK or I can prioritise it atm15:31
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Zaragiven that there's been a lot of interest in the idea of uploading pictures for bug reports, ux mocks etc. atm we have to hotlink from elsewhere via img tags. It'd be nice to have something a bit more easily customisable-- but I'm limited by a lack of experience and time atm.15:36
* SotK also doesn't have time at the moment15:36
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Zaraso if UX developers are interested in this feature, it'd be good to colloborate. if nobody is, then that's also worth letting people know about.15:36
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Zarapeople submitting bugs have definitely been interested. can't say I've heard anything from ux people directly, but that might be because they use other tools.15:40
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betherlyi would be up for collaborating on the ux side (sorry late response there)15:40
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betherlyi just need to get more involved to be sure of specific input requirements from that side15:41
betherlyare we working with any design work at all atm?15:41
SotKnot that I'm aware of15:41
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Zarayeah, not as far as I know. these are things I've heard a few times in infra, but it always seems to be from other people!15:42
Zarathough part of that might be because we haven't been collaborating on that so far.15:42
Zaraheh, I'm not even sure of the specific requirements so far, so that makes perfect sense to me. :)15:43
ZaraI'd say the best thing might be getting a storyboard development vm running as a first step, but it depends what other commitments you have15:43
Zara(and no problem about the late response!)15:43
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Zaraatm the requirements I *can* give are 'review webclient patches to see if you catch bad UX that we miss'15:44
Zarabut that's not that exciting15:45
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ZaraI guess there's both the UX of storyboard, and storyboard as a tool for people working on UX15:45
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Zaraso yeah, flagging up dodgy things and reviewing patches should be sufficient for the former, the latter is still pretty vague to me, but you might be able to help seeing what needs to be done! :D15:46
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betherlyZara: my aim is to get storyboard running properly next week now that the plugin project is almost up and running properly15:46
Zara\o/15:47
ZaraI'll make sure to be free then so I can help as much with that as possible. :)15:47
betherlyok great15:47
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Zaraanyone have anything else?15:48
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SotK_o_15:48
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ZaraSotK has a few patches in review, so I'll just link to the list because I'm lazy15:49
Zara#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/owner:adam.coldrick%2540codethink.co.uk+status:open15:49
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Zaraokay, think we're at the end! Thanks, everyone! :) glad the Ironic plugin is going well, btw.15:51
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* Zara is in awe of Horizon in general15:52
Zaraanyway15:52
Zara#endmeeting15:52
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smcginnis#startmeeting Cinder16:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Jan 13 16:00:01 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
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smcginnisCourtesy ping: dulek duncant eharney geguileo winston-d e0ne jungleboyj jgriffith thingee smcginnis hemna xyang tbarron scottda erlon rhedlind vincent_hou kmartin patrickeast sheel16:00
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jgregorHello16:00
geguileosmcginnis: Thanks16:00
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e0nehi16:00
smcginnisgeguileo: ;)16:00
DuncanTHi16:00
sheelHi everyone..16:00
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jungleboyjHello.16:00
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smcginnisNice, looks like a good turnout today. :)16:00
diablo_rojoHello :)16:00
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smcginnis#topic Announcements16:00
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flip214hi16:01
jungleboyjAt least a turnout.  :-)16:01
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smcginnisReviewers, please take a look at the spec tracking/review priority etherpad.16:01
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smcginnis#link Spec tracking https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-cinder-spec-review-tracking16:01
smcginnisSome good progress there.16:01
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smcginnis#info Bugstats: Cinder-462, cinderclient-36, os-brick-1316:02
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duleko/16:02
thingeeWould like to mention the cross-project spec liaison group is coming together. I'm assuming diablo_rojo would be representing cinder https://review.openstack.org/#/c/266072/16:02
smcginnisThose numbers just seem to hold steady.16:02
diablo_rojothingee: Correct16:02
smcginnisthingee: Thanks! Yep, she's volunteered. :)16:02
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smcginnisForward looking to the agenda, but please take a peek at the midcycle planning:16:03
smcginnis#link Midcycle planning https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-cinder-midcycle16:03
smcginnisAdd your info if you are going, and make sure to add any topics a little ways down the page.16:04
smcginnisWe have a nova<>cinder time reserved Wednesday morning Raleigh time, Wednesday evening Bristol UK.16:04
hemnagreat16:04
mriedemwhat time is that wed night in bristol?16:04
smcginnisscottda will have more to say about that shortly.16:05
scottdaExact time is not set yet16:05
smcginnismriedem: I'm not sure if we locked down a specific time.16:05
thingeeMitaka 2 is jan 19-2116:05
e0newe'll get TheJulia from Ironic there too16:05
smcginnisI'll check with johnthetubaguy later, unless someone else beats me to it.16:05
mriedemsure, just should be before 5pm :)16:05
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mriedemelse we'll be pub crawling16:05
smcginnis#info M-2 coming up January 1916:05
hemna:)16:05
smcginnismriedem: Fair point! :)16:06
smcginnisMake sure folks are aware of the deadline with M-2.16:06
jungleboyjmriedem: Hmmm, Cinder isn't the only group that does that?  ;-)16:06
thingeeJan 31 longer delays with gate ci testing16:06
smcginnisthingee: Very good point. Don't wait until the end!!!16:06
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thingeeDue to sunsetting of a public cloud that infra uses16:07
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thingeeall this and more on the dev digest http://www.openstack.org/blog/2016/01/openstack-developer-mailing-list-digest-20160108/16:07
dulekthingee: Ah, right in the M-3 period… :(16:07
smcginnis#link Infra changes https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-cinder-midcycle16:07
smcginnisthingee: Thanks!16:07
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smcginnisdiablo_rojo: Want to cover a little cross-project stuff?16:07
johnthetubaguymriedem: smcginnis: I hadn't picked the time yet, good point, when did you folks want to start? lets pick then? (+1 for before 5pm!)16:08
diablo_rojosmcginnis: Yeah sure.16:08
diablo_rojo#link The Women of OpenStack are looking for mentors. Technical and Career both. If you are interested, here is the link:  https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1YQITea0ygvusZAeRdR6jL1VUfaNcZTCr2UqHTFSsxR4/viewform?c=0&w=116:08
smcginnisdiablo_rojo: OK, hold a sec.16:08
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smcginnisdiablo_rojo: Sorry. :)16:08
diablo_rojosmcginnis: No worries :016:08
Swansonhello16:08
diablo_rojo:)16:08
smcginnisjohnthetubaguy: Looking up the time difference now.16:08
rhedlind5 hours16:08
mriedemwe could sort out that time thing after the meeting...16:08
mriedemdoens't take 500 people to sort that out16:08
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scottdajohnthetubaguy: I wanted to address the lack of items to discuss with NOva. This is on today's agenda. So let's wait a bit on setting time...16:09
smcginnismriedem: Just a quick look, but yeah.16:09
smcginnisjohnthetubaguy: Probably do something like 9 AM EST then. But we can sort that out later I guess.16:09
mriedemit's 4pm in bristol at 11am in RTP16:09
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smcginnisjohnthetubaguy: Don't want to make you guys stay late.16:09
mriedemyeah, so 9am RTP and 2 pm bristol16:09
johnthetubaguyyeah, that works16:09
johnthetubaguylets do that16:10
smcginnisOK, tentative schedule 9am/2pm.16:10
smcginnisjohnthetubaguy: Perfect. Thanks John.16:10
mriedemahem16:10
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smcginnisdiablo_rojo: OK, sorry. Please go ahead.16:10
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diablo_rojoCool. As I was saying :) The Women of OpenStack are looking to build up the community and help newcomers get more integrated. So if you are interested please fill out the google form.16:10
diablo_rojo#link Mentor sign up  https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1YQITea0ygvusZAeRdR6jL1VUfaNcZTCr2UqHTFSsxR4/viewform?c=0&w=116:11
smcginnisdiablo_rojo: Day before the summit official starts?16:11
hemnaanyone can mentor?16:11
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thingeehemna: yes16:11
smcginnishemna: Not you though. :P16:11
smcginnisjk16:11
hemna:)16:11
hemnalead by bad example!16:12
smcginnishah16:12
hemnaspeaking of pub crawls....16:12
diablo_rojoOther things from the cross project meeting, Cinder will need to choose an API liason16:12
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jungleboyjhemna: +216:12
diablo_rojoother wise it will default to our fearless leader smcginnis :)16:12
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thingeehttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/266072/16:12
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smcginnisI'm OK with it, but if someone is interested in doing it that would be great.16:13
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diablo_rojoThere has been a little bit of discussion in the ML about it16:13
diablo_rojo#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-January/083927.html16:13
smcginnis#link Cross project spec team https://review.openstack.org/#/c/266072/16:13
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smcginnisdiablo_rojo: Cool, anything else to cover?16:14
diablo_rojoYes16:14
diablo_rojosorry16:14
diablo_rojolots of links16:14
diablo_rojoThere are three notable specs that are out there right now that should get checked out:16:14
diablo_rojohttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/243348/  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/236712/  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226157/16:14
diablo_rojoThanks thingee for pointing them out :)16:15
diablo_rojoSo if cores could go take a look at those at some point and review, that would be most helpful.16:15
thingeethe first deprecates our cli in favor of openstack client16:15
smcginnisYeah, all of those could use some feedback and at least broader awareness.16:15
thingeewhich is something that has been agreed on at previous summits I believe in cross-project sessions that is16:16
hemnaoofa16:16
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smcginnisOK, folks take a look.16:16
thingeeI would say the last one more applies to people here, which is talking about our backwards compatibility for libraries16:16
thingeehemna: ^16:16
hemnaso that's cool, but that also means we are going to have to start working on 2 clients at the same time.16:16
hemnafwiw16:16
jungleboyjOy16:16
hemnafeatures, fixes, etc16:17
thingeeshouldn't do new features to the old cli16:17
mriedemright16:17
mriedemonly python API fixes16:17
smcginnisI'm sure we could talk about these three the whole hour, so I'm going to move on. ;)16:17
smcginnisdiablo_rojo: Anything else?16:17
mriedemb/c nova still uses the cinderclient python api16:17
thingeesmcginnis: yes please16:17
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diablo_rojoOne more thing :)16:17
hemnayah, we can't just stop working on cinderclient16:17
hemnathat's not going to work16:17
* thingee puts on top hat and tap dances off stage16:17
smcginnis:)16:17
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hemnamriedem, horizon also16:18
diablo_rojoThere are still more details to come, but there will be a Hackathon on Feb 29th and basically what is being asked is just that we compile a list of bugs for people to take a look at and then review things as quickly as possible.16:18
smcginnisOh yeah!16:18
smcginnisI wanted to make sure to mention that.16:18
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diablo_rojosmcginnis: And no we can't just give the whole list of bugs ;)16:18
smcginnisKind of a global bug day.16:18
smcginnisdiablo_rojo: Aww man16:19
diablo_rojosmcginnis:  Right, it came out of the China Hackathon?16:19
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smcginnisI believe so, led by Huawei.16:19
diablo_rojosmcginnis: Yes, that sounds right.16:19
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smcginnisSo if anyone is interested in doing some quick bug skimming...16:19
winston-dI heard it was 2nd March ~ 4th March.16:19
patrickeastAny links or anything for it?16:20
smcginnisIf anyone can scan through the bugs and start tagging ones that look like good candidates, that would be great.16:20
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diablo_rojoNo links yet, I can go back through the logs and see who was working on organizing it though.16:20
smcginniswinston-d: That sounds right.16:20
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diablo_rojopatrickeast: Just more of a general heads up right now, but I will send you stuff when I find it :)16:20
smcginnisOK, we better get moving.16:21
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diablo_rojoOkay, now I'm done :)16:21
smcginnis#topic Virtual Meeting with Nova during mid-cycle16:21
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jungleboyjWe can maybe spend a little time at the mid-cycle organizing bugs for that?16:21
scottdaHi16:21
smcginnisscottda: Hey16:21
smcginnisjungleboyj: Good idea!16:21
* jungleboyj adds it to the agenda16:21
scottdaSo, as mentioned above, we've a virtual meeting with Nova during the mid-cycle scheduled.16:21
scottdaBut, so far, there is nothing on our mid-cycle etherpad that merits a cross-service discussion.16:22
mriedemnova has things16:22
scottdaI'm thinking we should have some concrete items on the agenda that need to be discussed.16:22
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scottdamriedem: OK. multi-attach?16:22
* jungleboyj has an item to add16:22
mriedemhttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-midcycle16:22
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mriedemsee the cinder section in there16:22
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mriedemmostly right now it's privsep in os-brick and multiattach16:22
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smcginnisscottda: The few topics we do have on the etherpad are mostly nova related.16:23
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scottdaCool. I'm just trying to get folks to think about this and put them on the agenda16:23
smcginnis#link nova midcycle https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-midcycle16:23
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flip214scottda: the DRBD transport touches both Cinder and Nova... Is that a point to discuss, or is that too small a detail?16:23
smcginnis#link cinder midcycle https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-cinder-midcycle16:23
scottdaIt's worth discussing things that require agreement, or sharing of info, or are contentious16:24
hemnaso I spoke with gus last week about privsep and he was blocked16:24
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hemnaI think I was able to help him move forward at least in theory with privsep -> os-brick16:24
flip214well, "agreement" as in +2, yeah ;)16:24
scottdaSo I'd like to firm up an agenda next week so we are prepared to use the time wisely16:25
smcginnisscottda: +116:25
hemnabut I still think it will be a miracle to get privsep full implemented for os-brick in M.16:25
scottdathat's it. We can move on.16:25
smcginnishemna: I will be very surprised if it does. :{16:25
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smcginnisscottda: Thanks!16:25
e0nehemna: please, ping me if you need any help on this16:25
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smcginnis#topic Nested Quota enforcement issue16:25
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smcginnismc_nair: Hey16:25
mc_nairhey16:26
mc_nairwhile looking into https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1531502, we noticed that we can't actually enforce child default quota values because we can't grab parent_project_id as part of something like the create volume flow (because user may not be an admin)16:26
openstackLaunchpad bug 1531502 in Cinder "Child project's default quota not enforced" [High,New] - Assigned to Ryan McNair (rdmcnair)16:26
mc_nairI talked with raildo and we were thinking of listening for the keystone project create event notification and explicitly creating a cinder quota for the new project at that point16:26
mc_nairif anyone has feedback on the suggested approach / comments about the problem it’d be much appreciated16:26
dulekmc_nair: Do we have parent_project_id in the context?16:27
raildohey :)16:27
hemnarm -rf quotas16:27
mc_nairdulek: no, we don't16:27
e0ne:)16:27
DuncanTmc_nair: Too fragile - events can get lost16:27
dulekmc_nair: Shouldn't it be there?16:27
mc_nairDuncanT: that's what I was worried about, so that's good to know16:27
DuncanTmc_nair: This whole nested quotas thing has been a disaster, I'd honestly be tempted to say pull it and rethink16:27
smcginnisYeah, seems like there's got to be a better way.16:27
raildodulek: no, we have a token size issue, and for now, we can't add more information directly on the context.16:27
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eharneyyeah, the event notification idea doesn't sound like the right route16:28
mc_nairgood to know16:28
DuncanTEvent notification, even if it was reliable, is still racy. Nak16:28
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smcginnisAnyone know a route mc_nair can look in to for this?16:29
mc_nairso then if we're not able to add parent_project_id to the token I guess we're stuck with busted child quota default vals until we rethink things?16:29
smcginnisOr should we add this as a topic to the midcycle to rethink nested quotas?16:29
dulekmc_nair: Isn't Nova implementing nested quotas in this release?16:29
mc_nairdulek: yea, but they're going to hit the same problem with their current approach16:29
jungleboyjmc_nair: Have we verified that it isn't agreeable to add the parent_project_id to the token?16:29
dulekOr any other project? We probably share same problems.16:29
raildodulek: we have some patches, very similar with the cinder implementation, it is in code review16:30
dulekmc_nair: So -1 the approach. ;)16:30
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mc_nairjungleboyj: well raildo was saying there's a limit to the info you can add to the token and right now Keystone won't let anything else be added to it16:30
mc_nairdulek: will do :)16:30
raildowe can try talk with the keystone guys, to explain why we need the parent_id on the token, and maybe we can propose it16:30
jungleboyjmc_nair: Boooo.16:30
jungleboyjmc_nair: Ok, thanks for chasing that idea.16:30
DuncanTsmcginnis: I think adding it to the midcycle agenda is worthwhile, it's currently a mess, and shouldn't, in hindsight, have been merged as is16:31
smcginnisDuncanT: It does sound like it could use some more discussion at least.16:31
smcginnisI'll add that.16:31
DuncanTmc_nair: Or just let a normal user get their parent project id from keystone, and we'll ask keystone when we need it16:31
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DuncanTmc_nair: The status quo of needing admin is daft16:32
dulekDuncanT: +116:32
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jungleboyjsmcginnis: +2 Thanks.  This is high priority for us to get addressed.16:32
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DuncanTmc_nair: We do have the concept of a service user that could probably be used, but that feels ugly16:32
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raildoDuncanT: ++ I think that use the service user would be easier to fix the problem16:33
mc_nairDuncanT: alright, yea will chase that as well.  Letting non-admin retrieve parent would work assuming we could work that through keystone16:33
smcginnismc_nair: Awesome. Enough to go on for now?16:33
mc_nairsmcginnis: yes sir - thanks for the info everyone16:33
smcginnismc_nair: Thanks!16:33
DuncanTmc_nair: Adding it to the token removes the need for an extra callout to keystone though, so would be very preferable16:33
smcginnis#topic Summary Messages to be displayed for success/failure in cinder operations16:33
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smcginnissheel: You're up.16:34
sheelsmcginnis:yes16:34
sheeli am there16:34
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sheelhi everyone16:34
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sheelIts regarding https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/summarymessage16:34
sheelwhere i am propsing to display error messages in details atleast to admin16:34
sheelWhen someone performs some operation like create volume, delete volume etc, if operation fails - user gets no specific information about why operation failed...just operation status is updated and shown as failed... One need to debug logs and other details to find the issue.16:35
eharneyi feel like this needs to be tied into the async error reporting proposal that's been floating for a while now16:35
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jungleboyjeharney: ++16:35
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eharneythe overall idea is right, but we've already looked into this a bit16:35
DuncanTeharney: ++16:35
smcginniseharney: Is there a spec out there for that, or has that just been talked about?16:35
eharneyi think discussion about that is listed for the midcycle16:35
eharneysmcginnis: there was a spec a while ago16:35
eharneynot sure there has been an active one recently16:35
eharneybut it's a feature i'm quite interested in getting, so maybe we'll figure out at the midcycle what needs to happen to get that rolling again16:36
smcginniseharney: This seems like a cross project thing.16:36
smcginnisNot that cinder can't lead it.16:36
eharneyehh16:36
jungleboyjsmcginnis: That has been discussed in the cross project meetings before.16:36
eharneythe discussion started going that way before, i think, and we ended up kinda fizzling out and not doing anything16:36
eharneyIMO we need to just implement it and then see where it goes16:37
smcginniseharney: Fair point. :)16:37
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eharneybecause it's not something that couldn't be spread and adapted over time to other projects16:37
johnthetubaguyNova has "instance actions" to help report async errors, if that helps?16:37
smcginnisMight be good to get something in cinder, then use that as an example for other projects that need to do async error reporting.16:37
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johnthetubaguybut thats a REST API, rather than an async API16:37
jungleboyjeharney: Yeah, we need to do something.  :-)16:37
DuncanTjohnthetubaguy: That just shows the last error though, doesn't it?16:38
johnthetubaguyDuncanT: no, shows previous actions, and there previous errors, based on request-id, I believe16:38
DuncanTjohnthetubaguy: Ah, ok, thanks, I'll go look16:38
smcginnisjohnthetubaguy: Sounds like what we need. Thanks!16:38
johnthetubaguyso it does have some issues we keep wanting to fix16:39
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johnthetubaguyit doesn't really tell the users when something is finished16:39
johnthetubaguyhttp://developer.openstack.org/api-ref-compute-v2.1.html#os-instance-actions-v2.116:39
smcginnissheel: So something to look into ^^16:39
johnthetubaguybut, yeah, it might help with ideas16:39
sheelsmcginnis : sure, i will follow up16:39
eharneyi'll be sure it's listed for the midcycle, ameade was on the list to attend i think, so we can kick things off there16:39
johnthetubaguyalaski is a good contact to chat with about that16:39
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mtaninohttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-cinder-async-reporting this one?16:40
smcginnisjohnthetubaguy: If we can all work on one pattern that would be good.16:40
hemnasmcginnis, +116:40
ameadeo/16:40
ameadelol16:40
ameadein the manila midcycle atm16:40
eharneymtanino: yes16:40
johnthetubaguysmcginnis: +1 something for the API WG guidlines16:40
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smcginnis#link Past discussion https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-cinder-async-reporting16:41
erlonameade: where did it got? I mean why it didn't go further?16:41
ameadei can share my thoughts around async error reporting16:41
smcginnis#link Nova approach http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref-compute-v2.1.html#os-instance-actions-v2.116:41
ameadeerlon: nobody implemented it, I haven't had the bandwidth16:41
erlonameade: hmm16:41
ameadei think it's the single most important feature of openstack atm16:41
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ameadefor*16:41
erlonsheel: :)16:42
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sheelerlon: so I can take this BP ahead16:42
sheelsmcginnis : right?16:42
erlonsheel: +116:43
smcginnissheel: That would be great! We could definitely use this.16:43
smcginnissheel: Anything else at the moment?16:43
eharneyi'll see what kind of bandwidth exists here to help on this, i'd like to if i can16:43
ameadelets talk about it at the midcycle, i will be there16:43
smcginnisameade: +116:43
eharneyameade: yes16:43
ameadewould love for folks to commit to working on it16:43
sheelsmcginnis : thank you, please approve BP16:43
smcginnissheel: Will do. :)16:44
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sheeleharney: sure, we will work together...16:44
smcginnis#topic Open Discussion16:44
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sheeleharney : thanks for extended help and your interest16:44
erlono/16:44
smcginnisVincent put an item on the agenda, but he's not here.16:44
erlonJust one thing I'd like to raise. We need some help to review this (Hitachi) driver, to make it ready for M2.16:44
mtaninosheel: I'm interested in this too :)16:44
smcginnisI'll just say, congrats Vincent.16:44
smcginnis:)16:44
erlonhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/255239/16:44
sheelmtanino: sure16:45
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smcginniserlon: You want to talk about that one?16:45
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erlonsmcginnis: you gave a quick review, if you have a change and review it trougly16:45
smcginniserlon: Will do.16:45
* jungleboyj laughing16:45
jungleboyjHadn't seen that he put that on the agenda.16:46
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smcginnisjungleboyj: Pretty funny. :)16:46
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jungleboyjYeah, Vincent is now in RTP and is very excited to be in the US time zone and able to work in real time.16:46
mtaninooh! congrat Vincent.16:46
erlonsmcginnis: so, its a refactory, big,  but need more core reviews16:46
smcginniserlon: That blueprint was a little misleading that it doesn't really call out there is a new driver as part of that.16:46
eharneywelcome to the area Vincent :)16:46
sheelcongrats Vincent. :)16:46
jungleboyjHe will be at the midcycle and be able to get back on the Storwize patches.16:46
claudiubhi. just a small request. If you could review the cinder windows drivers refactor with os-win patch, I'd greatly appreciate it. :) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/243565/1016:46
kmartinerlon, the Hitachi HBSD2 CI is failing on it16:47
smcginnisclaudiub: Tab opened...16:47
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claudiubit would be great if it could make it into M-2. :)16:47
eharneyclaudiub: i've had that one on my radar, will try to take a look soon16:47
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flip214I would like to ask for a bit of review bandwidth for the DRBD transport - if the Cinder side was merged, I think it's easier to get the Nova side in. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/259973/916:47
patrickeastoh, i have something to bring up16:47
erlonkmartin: yes, we are working on it, but folks can still review while we get that stable16:47
claudiubgreat, thanks folks. :)16:47
flip214(Even if that is just a copy of an existing driver)16:47
patrickeastis there any interest in turning on the image cache for the cinder gate w/ lvm?16:47
smcginnispatrickeast: Seems like we should for coverage.16:48
smcginnisIMO16:48
patrickeastyea16:48
eharneypatrickeast: probably good in some capacity, but i assume we'd need jobs with and without it?16:48
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jungleboyjpatrickeast: Seems like a good idea.16:48
patrickeasti turned it on in the pure ci after it got broken from some object changes16:48
patrickeasteharney: yea probably16:48
smcginniseharney: Before it's cached it will be without it, right? So we kind of get coverage for both?16:48
patrickeastsmcginnis: true, but the code paths are a tiny bit different16:49
smcginnispatrickeast: True16:49
eharneysmcginnis: i dunno, just thinking about rooting out issues related to glance interaction etc16:49
patrickeastimo its probably better with it turned on vs turned off as far as total coverage of code16:49
smcginniseharney: Yeah, fair point.16:49
patrickeastbut still a gap16:49
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* smcginnis tends to cut corners on testing16:49
smcginnis:}16:49
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jungleboyjsmcginnis: Should strike that from the record.16:49
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eharneywe could do something like turn it on for the LIO/thin job and leave it on for the tgt/thick job, since that split already exists16:50
smcginnisjungleboyj: Yeah, I probably should have stated that. :D16:50
eharneynot sure16:50
jungleboyjOh no, followed by a Freudian Slip!16:50
* smcginnis tends to look for ways to safely cut corners on testing16:50
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smcginnisjungleboyj: How's that> ^^ :)16:50
eharneyleave it off*16:50
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patrickeastso maybe for now i'll put something on my backlog to get the devstack changes or plugin pulled into the official repos so we could turn it on16:51
smcginniseharney: That seems reasonable.16:51
patrickeastand once thats ready we can figure out where to enable it16:51
smcginnispatrickeast: That would be awesome.16:51
eharneypatrickeast: sounds good16:51
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smcginnis8 minutes16:52
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smcginnisAny other topics to cover?16:52
jungleboyjeharney: Sounds like a good plan.16:52
diablo_rojopatrickeast: Looks like nikhil is the primary contact for information thus far for the Hackathon. Looks like jroll and rockyg may also have info on it maybe.16:52
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patrickeastdiablo_rojo: cool, thanks!16:52
diablo_rojopatrickeast: No problem :)16:52
jungleboyjJust FYI, I think we are looking at doing Thunderbirds for dinner on Thursday night.16:52
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smcginnisOh, some specs could use some reviews. Too late for many, but I think there are a few that could still make it in M.16:53
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diablo_rojojungleboyj: Should I add that to the etherpad?16:53
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jungleboyjdiablo_rojo: Sure.  That would be good.16:53
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smcginnisWednesday is still open for any companie that want to bribe^D^D^D^D^Dfeed us.16:54
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jungleboyjbwah ha ha!16:54
smcginnisTotally joking16:54
Swansonsmcginnis, technically I think I have to report you to the dell ethics committee.16:55
kmartincan PTLs be impeached?16:55
smcginnisHahah16:55
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flip214smcginnis: careful with the mushroom food.16:55
scottdaToo bad Dell just spent all their money...16:55
smcginnisI'm getting myself in all kinds of trouble today. :)16:55
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sheelsmcginnis: sorry to cut into16:55
smcginnisscottda: Hah!16:55
diablo_rojoscottda: +116:55
smcginnissheel: Please do.16:55
sheelsmcginnis: could you please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/265820/16:55
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sheelfinal +2 left for merge16:56
sheelsorry, I know you have already got too many requests :(16:56
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Swansonscottda, Dell spent ALL the money.16:56
smcginnissheel: Will take a look.16:56
eharneysheel: i'll review that one, i started on it the other day16:56
eharneysomething about it looked odd to me, need to check it16:56
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smcginnisOK, I think we past the point of any productivity a while back Thanks everyone.16:56
sheeleharney : thats great.. thank you very much16:56
rhedlindquestion. I have some changes to make to my driver still. what's the deadline to get them into gerrit? do we have that on a page somewhere?16:57
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sheelsmcginnis: thank you16:57
jungleboyjGood meeting.  Thanks everyone!16:57
smcginnisrhedlind: M-3 for changes.16:57
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smcginnis#endmeeting16:57
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openstackMeeting ended Wed Jan 13 16:57:33 2016 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)16:57
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-01-13-16.00.html16:57
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-01-13-16.00.txt16:57
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-01-13-16.00.log.html16:57
geguileoThanks!16:57
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jungleboyjOoops, maybe I meant Firebirds for dinner.16:58
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sheel:)16:59
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jlvillal#startmeeting ironic_qa17:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Jan 13 17:00:31 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is jlvillal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:00
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jlvillalHello all17:00
jlvillalAs always the agenda is here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic-QA17:00
kcalman_o/17:00
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jlvillal#announcements17:01
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jlvillalI don't have anything to announce.17:01
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jlvillalLooks like this might be a short meeting if only two of use here17:01
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jlvillalthree!17:01
rpiosoo/17:01
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jlvillalCool17:01
krtayloro/17:02
jlvillalDoes anyone have any announcements?17:02
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jlvillalMoving on in17:02
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jlvillal#topic Grenade Testing17:02
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jlvillalI am still working on Grenade testing.17:02
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jlvillalThis really means working on setting up an environment that copies openstack/devstack-gate and works on my system.17:03
jlvillalUnfortunately my system is behind a proxy server and causes me what seems like endless issues.17:03
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jlvillalI have gotten the Grenade job to get to the creating the IPA image stage, which dies because of proxy issues. Hope to fix that today.17:04
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jlvillalI have also been seeing where it fails in the gate17:05
jlvillalI have been using this patch to trigger "check experimental" which runs the grenade job: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/255834/17:05
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jlvillalThat's all I have to report right now.17:06
jlvillalMoving on unless questions.17:06
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jlvillal#topic Functional testing17:07
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jlvillal#info Email thread about functional testing in Ironic on openstack-dev17:07
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jlvillalSo Serge started an email thread about functional testing17:07
jlvillalI forget his IRC nickname :(17:08
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* jroll is here17:08
jlvillalSeems like people want to be able to do 'tox -efunc' functional testing17:08
jlvillalAnd would like to have support in Tempest also17:08
jrollthe tempest thing is somewhat separate, in my mind17:09
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jlvillal#info Functional testing should support 'tox -efunc'17:09
jrollit's more of "should we keep writing tempest tests, even thuogh we have functional testing"17:09
jroll"yes, we should"17:09
jlvillalThanks.17:09
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jroll(why? tempest is valuable for testing a deployment)17:10
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jlvillalYep!17:10
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jlvillal#info Continue to have or add functional testing in Tempest. For one thing it is valuable for testing a deployment. Along with other reasons.17:11
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jlvillalAnyone have anything to add?17:11
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jlvillalOkay, moving on in 517:11
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* krtaylor need to understand the differences better17:11
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jlvillalBetween what and what?   krtaylor17:12
jlvillaltox and tempest?17:12
krtaylorfunctional and tempest17:12
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krtayloror I should say stand-alone and tempest?17:12
jlvillalSo we would like to add a 'tox -efunc' to do functional testing.17:12
jlvillalThat makes it easy for developers to run functional testing.17:13
krtaylory, understood17:13
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jlvillalTempest is great and all but needs to have an OpenStack environment up and running. Which is rather large overhead for a developer.17:13
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jlvillalThings they test will likely have an overlap. Maybe they both test the same API.17:13
jlvillalThat is my understanding17:13
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jrollso in my mind: tempest is a thing for testing a real deployment of ironic (probably with nova, maybe without if some tests are skipped), whereas functional testing is a thing that can run in a minute that can do similar validation, but less "full"17:13
jlvillalNot sure if that makes it any clearer krtaylor17:14
jrollin functional testing, backends can be mocked (for example neutron)17:14
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jrolland we might use in-memory oslo.msg or something17:14
jlvillalThanks jroll17:14
krtaylorjroll, that helps17:14
jlvillalOkay now moving on in 417:14
krtaylorso it has to do with developer speed17:14
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jrollyeah basically17:15
jlvillalYes :)17:15
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jlvillalOkay moving on :)17:15
jlvillal#topic 3rd Party CI (krtaylor)17:15
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jlvillalThe floor is yours krtaylor17:15
krtaylorno progress at all17:15
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krtaylorswamped with downstream work17:15
jlvillalOkay, thanks. And I know the feeling....unfortunately....17:16
kcalman_I had a question regarding setting up 3rd party CI17:16
jlvillalGo ahead!17:16
krtaylorhoping to dig out a bit this week17:16
kcalman_will there only be one release cycle/branch  at a time under test?17:16
kcalman_or both the current and the next?17:17
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rajinirupdated the status for dell idrac -> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicCI  ,  please review17:17
jlvillalDo you mean like only testing tip of master?17:17
krtayloryou can chose whether to test stable branches or tip, are you asking for requirements?17:17
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kcalman_yes, or master and current released version (e.g., liberty)17:18
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jlvillalI would have thought focus would be on master. But I will defer to krtaylor and jroll on that.17:18
krtaylorI don't recall that we addressed that in the spec17:18
jrollI guess right now we'd focus on master, next cycle master+mitaka, next cycle master+mitaka+N17:19
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kcalman_OK17:19
krtaylorwell, since we didn't require testing until now, it makes sense :)17:19
jrollor rather, third party CI should test cycles/branches from when they start testing forward17:19
krtaylor++17:19
* jroll updates the spec17:19
kcalman_but going forward, will changes be expected to be backported to current release, on only in the new development/next release?17:20
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kcalman_("current" => released)17:20
jrollI'm not sure what you mean kcalman_ - some changes are backported, some are not. depends on the change17:20
jrollI don't expect you to test branches that existed before your CI existed17:20
jroll(but you can if you'd like)17:20
kcalman_like feature vs bug fix?17:21
jrollright, it's bug fixes only and depends on severity17:21
kcalman_OK17:21
jrollmore info here: http://docs.openstack.org/project-team-guide/stable-branches.html17:21
kcalman_thanks17:21
jlvillal#info jroll will update spec on what branches (for example master, stable/liberty, etc..) should be tested by 3rd Party CI17:21
krtaylorthanks jroll17:22
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rajinirPosting again, Updated the status for dell idrac -> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicCI  ,  please review17:22
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kcalman_there was another question with the scope of CI testing expected for Mitaka17:22
jlvillal#info Status updated for Dell idrac -> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicCI  , please review17:22
rajinirQuestion: For M feature freeze, the etherpad says receive and post comments on ci-sanbox. Is that it?17:23
kcalman_should that be the build plumbing only, or is there a no-op Ironic test that should be executed?17:23
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jrollrajinir: yes17:23
jrollkcalman_: we only require that you are able to receive and post comments from CI sandbox17:23
jrollby the end of mitaka cycle17:23
jroll(or rather M-3, iirc)17:24
kcalman_OK great17:24
rajinircool, thanks17:24
jlvillalAnything else?17:24
rajinirWe have  ton of questions for N release, we will probably reach out to the infra team and ironic QA17:24
jlvillal#info 3rd Party CI is only required to receive and post comments from CI sandbox by M-3 time frame, to be compliant with Ironic policy.17:25
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jlvillalrajinir, understood.17:25
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jlvillalOkay, if nothing else will move on17:25
jroll#link https://review.openstack.org/26704917:25
jrollfor spec update17:25
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jlvillal#topic Open discussion / General QA topics17:26
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jrollI have a thing17:26
jrollI've been working on the move to a tempest plugin17:27
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jrollit's nearly done on the ironic side, could use some reviews17:27
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jrollhttps://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/ironic+branch:master+topic:tempest_plugin17:27
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jroll(needs an update too, apparently)17:27
jlvillalThanks17:28
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jrollthe downside is that tempest is branchless, so we can't remove the tests from tempest until liberty is EOL :(17:28
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jrollI'll be looking into the best way to work that this week17:28
jlvillal#info Tempest plugin patches need reviews: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/ironic+branch:master+topic:tempest_plugin17:28
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jlvillalThat is a long time. I assume that is a couple years for Liberty EOL???17:29
jlvillalThis probably does not fall into this meeting. But there seem to be a lot of gate failures. I have one patch that fails again and again and it not touching any executing code.17:29
jlvillalI assume other people are noticing similar things17:30
jrollit's usually a couple cycles17:30
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jrollalso, yes, oh my.17:31
jrollhttp://tinyurl.com/j5yc4yr17:31
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jlvillalLast patch I see merged in was on Friday. Not counting patch into devstack/lib/ironic17:31
jrollstill timeout stuff, I assume. we need to keep pushing through that17:31
jlvillalI would love a pointer on how to create those graphite graphs. I tried graphite.openstack.org and couldn't figure it out :(17:32
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jrollhttps://github.com/sdague/failopotamus17:32
jroll:D17:32
jrollI'm using python failgraph.py -d 400 gate-tempest-dsvm-ironic-pxe_ipa17:32
jlvillalAwesome! Thanks :)17:32
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jlvillalPut that into his notes.17:33
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jlvillalOkay, if nothing else we can adjourn.17:33
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jlvillalAdjouring in 517:33
jlvillalOr Adjourning in 5 (spell correctly this time)17:34
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skraynev_#startmeeting heat20:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Jan 13 20:00:47 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is skraynev_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.20:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.20:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'heat'20:00
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skraynev_#topic rollcall20:01
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jdobo/20:01
stevebakerhi!20:01
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markvanhowdy20:01
zanebo/20:01
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shprotbyhello20:02
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skraynev_more we need more people (sinister laugh)20:02
skraynev_:)20:02
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skraynev_#topic Adding items to agenda20:03
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shprotbytest my nickname.20:03
shprotbyHm...20:03
skraynev_#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282016-01-13_2000_UTC.2920:03
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skraynev_so two big sections - upcoming releases/milestones and convergence20:04
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skraynev_#topic Review priorities20:06
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skraynev_I think, that we may skip it and focus on bugs and BPs targeted on m220:06
skraynev_so20:06
skraynev_I will mention it later ;)20:07
skraynev_#topic release for stable/liberty20:07
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stevebakerI have a series of heatclient backports which need reviews so that 0.8.1 can be released https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/python-heatclient+branch:stable/liberty+topic:bug/153232620:07
skraynev_stevebaker: do we need merge them before heatclient release, I suppose ?20:08
stevebakerskraynev_: yep, its on a stable/liberty branch20:08
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skraynev_stevebaker: hm. I am not sure, that we will make new tag for stable/liberty for python heatclient, but I will try to review (I already  have reviewed couple of them)20:09
skraynev_so about stable/liberty and heat.20:10
skraynev_ttx sent a mail about it.20:10
skraynev_and we may do new extra tag for stable/liberty branch in heat20:10
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stevebakercan we do a stable/liberty release whenever we feel the need to?20:11
skraynev_#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/heat+branch:stable/liberty+status:open20:11
skraynev_stevebaker: we should it in this way :)20:11
skraynev_ttx: just notify, that it looks like we have enough commits in stable/liberty alredy20:12
skraynev_*already20:12
stevebakerhell yes20:12
skraynev_I think we may try to merge this list ^ of commits during this week20:13
skraynev_and make a release on the next one.20:13
skraynev_stevebaker: what do you think?20:14
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zanebstevebaker: are we backporting convergence stuff to stable?20:14
skraynev_we need to involve shardy and zaneb in this process20:14
stevebakersounds good, those which haven't merged this week can be evaluated for being punted to next release20:14
zaneband if so, why?20:14
stevebakerzaneb: not so much anymore20:14
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skraynev_zaneb: I see couple commits related with convergence20:15
zanebok, I see at least two and likely more in that list20:15
skraynev_maybe they were introduced early20:15
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skraynev_zaneb: imo we may merge them without big risk20:16
zanebI guess, but there's no point waiting on them either20:16
skraynev_zaneb: agree20:16
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stevebakermaybe just abandon them, lets reduce our cognitive load20:17
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zanebskraynev_: btw the rule for stable branches is that the author or backporter can count as a +2 if they are core20:17
skraynev_#action shardy, stevebaker, zaneb, skraynev prepare stable/liberty branch for new release to next week (merge remaining patches)20:17
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stevebakerunless they affect the stablity of the liberty ci20:17
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zanebskraynev_: so you may only need 1 other person to approve20:17
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zanebI think some of the ones in that list with +2 could have been approved already under that rule20:18
skraynev_zaneb: I have not know about such exception :)20:18
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skraynev_zaneb: your truth ;)20:18
zanebskraynev_: I heard it from one of the stable branch folks20:18
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stevebakertis true20:18
skraynev_zaneb: stevebaker: nice20:19
skraynev_then it will be easier20:19
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skraynev_#action skraynev upload patch to release repo for new stable/liberty release on the next week20:20
skraynev_go to the next one20:20
skraynev_#topic new release for python-heatclient20:20
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skraynev_stevebaker: I remember, that we wanted to do it in Jan20:21
skraynev_so we are here20:21
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stevebakeryep, that is what the backports are for https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/python-heatclient+branch:stable/liberty+topic:bug/153232620:21
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stevebakersince we're in the middle of developing the openstack commands I propose that we do a python-heatclient-1.0.0 when they are useful enough20:22
markvanyup, for mitaka, good progress on openstack client  https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/python-heatclient+branch:master+topic:bp/heat-support-python-openstackclient20:22
stevebakeruntil then we can do 0.8.x bug fix releases on the stable/liberty branch20:22
skraynev_stevebaker: hm.. we probably talk about two different things. I meant new release for master20:22
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skraynev_because we have some stuff, which are not available via pip installation20:23
skraynev_and as result is not available in default devstack20:23
stevebakerskraynev_: which changes are you looking for>20:23
stevebaker?20:23
jdobstevebaker, is the openstack client  ultimately going to sit in heatclient side by side with the old stuff?20:23
jdober, openstack client commands20:23
skraynev_stevebaker: honestly - changes related with new API for outputs20:24
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stevebakerjdob: yes, heatclient commands will eventually be deprecated, and openstack commands will live in heatclient20:24
jdobcool20:24
skraynev_stevebaker: I agree to propose 0.8.x for stable/liberty after merging backports mentioned by you20:24
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skraynev_stevebaker: as I understand openstack commands are not merged yet, so we may do a pre-version with all fixes, but without openstack commands. what do you think about it?20:26
stevebakerskraynev_: how about a patch which doesn't register the osc plugins, so we can do a 0.9.020:26
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skraynev_#action merge backports patches in stable/liberty for python-heatclient and then propose new 0.8.x release for stable branch20:26
skraynev_stevebaker: +220:27
stevebakerit would just comment out setup.cfg openstack.cli.extension20:27
skraynev_and then focus on review osc and release 1.0.0 with all these commands20:27
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stevebakersounds fine to me20:27
stevebakerare there any pending reviews which need to be in a 0.9.0?20:28
skraynev_stevebaker: would you like to do it or I need to assist with it ?20:28
zanebhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/266653/1/heatclient/openstack/common/apiclient/base.py makes my eyes bleed20:28
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skraynev_zaneb: oh. it's patch from super series, which try to fix everywhere ;)20:30
stevebakerskraynev_: do you want to handle 0.9.0 and I20:30
stevebaker'll do 0.8.1?20:30
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skraynev_stevebaker: as you want. I agree with any solution, where I do just a half part of the work :))20:31
stevebakerheh20:31
skraynev_:)20:31
skraynev_so. yes. I can take 0.9.020:32
skraynev_and help with merging patches for 0.8.x20:32
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skraynev_#action prepare and do 0.9.0 release for python-heatclient with stub in setup.cfg for osc commands20:33
skraynev_stevebaker: correct ^ ?20:34
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skraynev_#topic Mitaka-2 release date20:34
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stevebaker+120:34
skraynev_stevebaker: ok20:34
skraynev_the most important topic20:34
skraynev_on the next week should be released m-220:35
skraynev_#link http://docs.openstack.org/releases/schedules/mitaka.html20:35
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skraynev_#link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/mitaka-220:35
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skraynev_we have 5 BPs, probably 2 of them will be merged20:36
skraynev_other have more patches for review20:36
skraynev_#link welcome to review this one https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/add-neutron-address-scope20:36
skraynev_there is one patch need to be merged20:37
skraynev_Senlin is blocked by one patch with WIP...20:37
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skraynev_jdob: and I remember about your patches. for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/multi-environments20:38
jdobi was gonna pester people about those :)20:38
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jdobright now failing CI from the ceilometer fix, but should hopefully pass soon20:38
jdobsince that fix got merged20:38
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skraynev_jdob. sure20:39
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jasondhere's another for m-2 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/256872/20:40
skraynev_about bugs.... welcome to fix them. looks like we need to make some bug fixing day ;)20:40
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skraynev_jasond: updated. doh. a lot of patches need to review.20:41
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skraynev_#topic Enabling convergence by default20:42
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skraynev_zaneb, stevebaker: ananta raised this question on the previous meeting20:43
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zanebis it ready?20:43
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skraynev_AFAIK, we still have some skipped functional tests for convergence20:43
skraynev_except this job is green about month20:44
skraynev_so we need to make decision about it20:44
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jdobwould it make sense to hold off until after m2 to be safe?20:45
jdob"safer", I suppose20:45
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skraynev_jdob: you stole my words ;)20:45
skraynev_ananta suggested to do it before m-220:46
zanebI'd like to see us not skip any tests20:46
stevebakerI'm still yet to get a tripleo overcloud to deploy with convergence20:46
jdob:)20:46
zanebbut I'd also like to see us flip it soon, so that if there's screaming we will hear it before the Mitaka release20:46
skraynev_however I prefer to do it after m-220:46
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stevebakerI tried it mid-december and it didn't work, but I'll try again soon20:46
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stevebaker... and this time raise bugs ;)20:47
skraynev_stevebaker: could you check it after m-2 ?20:47
skraynev_and I will prepare announce about our plans20:47
skraynev_zaneb: and in this ^ mail mention a important patches20:48
skraynev_for enabling skipped tests20:48
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skraynev_#action sent mail about making convergence by default after m-220:49
skraynev_#topic Open Discussion20:49
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skraynev_something else for discussion?20:50
markvanhi, just a plug for the lbaasv2 work https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/heat+branch:master+topic:bp/lbaasv2-suport20:50
markvanis that something that could make the review priority list?20:50
markvanit's very close now, thx for all the previous review efforts20:51
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skraynev_I don't want to be a rough, but looks like we will not do it before m-2. Could you ping more core-reviewers from the next week20:53
skraynev_I believe we will take a look on it20:53
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markvanyup, was not expecting it for m-2, just want to keep it a float20:53
skraynev_and will merge if you say, that it's ready ;)20:53
skraynev_markvan: sure20:53
markvanthx20:54
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skraynev_good. we can finish now ;)20:55
skraynev_thank you all, guys :)20:55
jdob\o20:55
stevebaker\o20:55
skraynev_#endmeeting20:55
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notmynameswift team meeting time21:00
notmyname#startmeeting swift21:00
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notmynamehello, everyone21:00
notmynamewho's here for the swift team meeting?21:00
mattoliverauo/21:00
Zyric_Hello21:00
acoleshere21:00
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peterlisakhello21:01
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notmynamegood to see you21:02
notmynameagenda for this week is21:02
notmyname#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift21:02
torgomatic_.21:02
notmynamea few things to discuss, so let's get started21:02
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jrichlio/21:02
notmyname#topic change schedule priority (patch 238799)21:02
patchbotnotmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/238799/ - Change schedule priority of daemon/server in config21:02
cutfortho/21:02
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notmynamepeterlisak: this is your patch21:03
notmynamenad it's been discussed in this meeting now for the past two weeks21:03
blmartino/21:03
notmynamebut there's a couple of things raised in the review comments21:03
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notmynameI've tried to summarize them on the agenda21:03
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notmynamefirst, does this actually do anything positive, or is it too blunt of an instrument for the stated goal?21:04
notmynameSwift's processes are rather interconnected, so it's very difficult to isolate a logical API operation by process. eg nice'ing the container server would impact object PUTs since the container is updated as part of the object write.21:04
notmynamesecond, assuming that yes this patch does improve things21:04
notmynameShould we even be doing this in Swift itself instead of distro init scripts. On the one hand, the ionice priority "code" has to be rewritten for every distro. On the other, ops know ionice and how/when to use it and does that actually belong in Swift? If it does, why not other ops/management tools?21:04
notmynamepeterlisak: is that a fair summary?21:04
peterlisaknotmyname, yes21:05
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notmynameso, what do you (everyone) think? peterlisak, is there anything you've got to address these?21:05
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peterlisakfirstly i think we should make some more tests if there is any improvements ... is there onovy?21:05
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notmynameI don't see him in here21:06
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mattoliveraudonagh would be good too, but he isn't here either21:07
notmynameshould we table this for now then?21:07
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mattoliverauI like the idea, but i'm not an op.. and really question 1 needs to be answered before question 221:08
notmynameright. if it doesn't help, the answer to question 2 doesn't matter21:08
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mattoliverauright21:09
notmynamepeterlisak: since it seems there a few people I'd like to have involved who aren't here, let's table this until next week21:09
notmynamepeterlisak: can you work on getting some results from this change?21:09
peterlisakok, we will make more tests and then we move, right?21:09
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notmynameright. if you can show that yes it does actually help to adjust the ionice of swift processes, then we can get to answering the second objection21:10
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notmynameI'll make a comment on the code review reflecting that21:10
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peterlisakok, thanks ... i understand it is useless without improvement proof21:10
notmynamein the meanwhile, if anyone else is interested in this or think it's a really good idea, I'm sure peterlisak and onovy would appreciate other eyes on showing results21:11
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notmynameok, next up..21:11
peterlisaknotmyname, yes21:11
notmyname#topic patch 266599 object auditor patch21:11
patchbotnotmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/266599/ - Make object-auditor storage-policy-aware21:11
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notmynameok, so this one is frankly embarassing21:11
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notmynametimburke found it21:11
mattoliverauif ops are already using nice/ionice it would be good to hear from them why, is it helping etc21:12
notmynamemattoliverau: +121:12
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notmynameit turns out that the object auditors just flat out don't work with EC policies (because they don't load the right diskfile)21:12
mattoliverauyeah, opps. Thanks timburke for finding and pushing a patch21:12
notmynameso, first, this is a critical fix that blocks a release21:13
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notmynameand second, we need it to land asap21:13
acoleswhat is timburke *not* fixing? :)21:13
acolesi can review it but not til tomorrow21:13
notmyname(and figuring out how we managed to not do this or find it would be interesting)21:13
notmynameacoles: thanks21:13
mattoliverauthat is true, he's a machine.. I don't know what swiftstack feeds there devs21:13
timburkei'm a little concerned about how the object replicator also only uses a (replicated) DiskFileManager, but i'm not sure it's actually a problem21:14
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acolestimburke: the replicator shouldn't process EC objects, but maybe that needs checking over too21:15
mattoliverauEC should use the reconstructor21:15
mattoliveraunot replicator21:15
notmynamemattoliverau: that word "should" though ;-)21:16
notmynamemattoliverau: also, the auditor should handle different policies ;-)21:16
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notmynametimburke: after this patch lands, it would be good to look at backporting the patch, at least to liberty (2.5.0)21:17
kota_+121:17
timburkemakes sense. just going down the list of places where i see DiskFileManager, not DiskFileRouter :)21:17
notmynameI'm glad you are :-)21:18
notmynameI've started on something else like that. I've got a local WIP that lets EC objects use fallocate. EC doesn't currently21:18
notmynametimburke: anything else on this topic other than "go review, it's a big deal" ?21:19
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notmynameok21:20
notmyname#topic what's going on in swift?21:20
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notmynamein last week's meeting, I went on about getting a good picture of all the things going on21:21
notmynameI've sent most of you, I think, an email asking a few questions21:21
notmyname#link https://gist.github.com/notmyname/be49b04165928fd6662f21:21
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notmynamethat's the 4 questions I sent out21:21
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notmynameand I've been getting great feedback!21:21
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notmynameI'll be collecting all the responses and putting those together for people21:22
notmyname(anonymized. no names with anything)21:22
notmynameif you haven't responded, or if you didn't get an email about this (sorry), then feel free to send me your thoughts21:22
notmynameyou can send it to me@not.mn21:23
notmynamebut I'd really love to hear what you're working on, what you think is important, and where we're going21:23
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notmynameI'd love to share some of the early responses (or themes from them), but I also don't want to influence what people say if they haven't responded yet ;-)21:24
torgomatic_and what color we should paint the handbasket21:24
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notmynametorgomatic_: we've got very good intentions21:25
mattoliveraunotmyname: thanks for collecting and sorting all the data, it's a great idea. Getting the community's throughts21:25
notmynamebut here's one thing to be thinking about that more than a few people have responded with...21:25
gmmahanotmyname: maybe a small end date for folks to send the info your way by21:25
notmynameone of the biggest pain points (and one that isn't a surprise to anyone, I think), is that patches sit in gerrit waiting for reviews for a *long* time21:26
notmynamegmmaha: good thinking21:26
notmynamedeadline for responses: this week. send them to me by friday21:26
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notmynameon the topic of slow reviews, what do you think after one week of having the "small things" section on the dashboard?21:27
notmynameis it good? does it help you?21:27
notmyname(have you actually looked at it to review stuff? ;-)21:27
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acoles"every dashboard is a little better than the next" :)21:28
cschwedeused it this morning, quite useful and will probably help21:28
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mattoliveraulol21:28
notmynamecschwede: cool21:28
ho_awayacoles: lol21:29
kota_i picked up some patches from small things ;)21:29
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mattoliverauI've looked, I think its good. Sometimes reviews take quite a while, small one are _usually_ quicker so I think it's a good idea.21:29
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acolesseriously, i take note of the spark lines for size, but I am aware that I could fill a day reviewing small patches and thats another day that the big ones wait21:29
Zyric_Ah is that why I don't see it? You need to select the upgrade for the dashboard? How do you do that?21:29
notmynameright. I can think of a few small patches that would completely break everything21:30
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notmynameZyric_: yeah, a dashboard is just a link. so "upgrading" is using a different link21:30
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mattoliverauor updating with the new link in you gerrit settings, if you've added a menu item for it21:30
notmynamethe current link of the latest review dashboard is in the channel topic21:31
notmynamemattoliverau: oooh. how's that work?21:31
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acolesbut on balance I think its useful to help speed some reviews through21:31
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notmynamemattoliverau: oh, you mean updating a bookmark?21:32
mattoliveraunotmyname: gerrit, settings > preferences then add the link #/dashboard..  to the my menu21:32
acolesnotmyname: i think you can change your default dashboard in gerrit settings21:32
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mattoliverauthen it appears under the My menu21:32
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acolesmattoliverau: i should do that!21:33
timburke...and if you move it to the top of the list, it becomes your default dashboard21:33
notmynameah, cool21:33
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notmynameon the positive side, there's been a lot of great comments about the community. everyone seems to like working on swift and working with others who work on swift21:34
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cschwedeyeah, that’s awesome!21:34
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peterlisakcool :)21:35
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notmynameplease give me your feedback on those questions asap, and I'll collate everything share what I find21:35
notmynameI've also got an idea for a cool visualization of it that i'm working on21:35
notmynameacoles: so you'll have a different picture to roll your eyes about ;-)21:35
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acoleshehe21:36
onovysorry i'm late. ionice/nice discussion is over i think21:36
peterlisaknotmyname, where will it be published?21:36
acolesnotmyname: actually the words 'mind map' crossed my mind21:36
notmynamepeterlisak: of course :-)21:36
notmynamepeterlisak: oh. you said where, not will21:36
notmynamepeterlisak: yes, of course it will be published. probably informally in IRC rather than some blog post or something21:36
notmynameonovy: no worries. you and peterlisak have a todo from it, and we'll address the questions at next week's meeting21:37
notmyname#topic open discussion21:37
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onovynotmyname: just read backlog, ok, thanks21:37
notmynameacoles: yeah, "mind map" is a good phrase. or zeitgeist21:37
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notmynameso open discussion21:38
notmynameanythign else to bring up this week?21:38
hrouJust wanted to give a really quick update as some folks have been asking;  For symlink, we're trying to get post-to-target working, and we're pretty happy with post-as-copy handling (well it sucks but its no worse then .. : - ) so we're not looking at fast-post.  More soon, just a heads up.21:38
hrou*we're now looking at fast-post21:38
acoleshrou: glad you clarified that :)21:39
notmyname:-)21:39
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hrouacoles, lol sorry I figured you of all people wouldn't have liked how that was originally stated ;)21:39
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onovyif we have time: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/251151/ simple question: UTC or localtime? if UTC, it's done. if localtime, than patch121:39
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notmynamein general, always UTC for anythign that matters. but translating that to localtime in CLI output or a visualization seems reasonable21:40
notmyname(was that answer ambiguous enough?)21:40
onovy:)21:41
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onovyfor now its utc and locatime together which is wrong21:41
notmynameand since operators may have (and in my experience often do) clusters in timezones that are different from themselves (and multiples in multiple TZs), IMO UTC.21:41
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onovyso results of swift-recon will be same on all servers, tz doesn't matter21:42
notmynameeg if I'm in california and have a cluster in sydney and one in london, what's "localtime" on my dashboard?21:42
onovythat's imho correct21:42
onovyyep, that's good point21:42
onovyso it's done i think. ready for review :)21:42
notmynameand let's not even get into daylight saving time :-(21:43
Zyric_It'd be awesome to get more feedback on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/212824/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/262087/ please, if you have time.21:43
notmynameah yes. the audit watchers21:43
mattoliveraueverything should be in Sydney time21:43
peterlisakand if i can also ask you, i have two older patches waiting to review 253038 and 253037 ... thanks21:43
onovyZyric_: second one have jenkins -121:44
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notmynameI'm planning to re-star priority reviews after we get the current ones landed for a release21:44
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notmynameanything else to discuss? or shall we end now?21:44
Zyric_onovy: It's a new test and seems to work most of the time. I'm fixing and splitting it today.21:45
onovymattoliverau: why syndey? use stardate!21:45
acolesreminder to those coming to hackathon, hotel group rate expires mext Monday, although we have asked for an extension21:45
timburkei just want to say thanks to acoles and joeljwright for getting patch 226897 in; I rather like that swiftclient can retry both uploads and downloads now21:45
patchbottimburke: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226897/ - Retry file uploads via SwiftService (MERGED)21:45
notmynameah yes, that hackathon!21:45
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mattoliverauonovy: cause I'm lazy and Sydney is my time :P21:45
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notmynamelink for registration for the hackathon is https://www.eventbrite.com/e/swift-hackathon-bristol-sponsored-by-hpe-tickets-1999449507321:45
notmyname#link https://www.eventbrite.com/e/swift-hackathon-bristol-sponsored-by-hpe-tickets-1999449507321:45
onovymattoliverau: i know it :)21:45
acolestimburke: the symmetry was quite satisfying21:45
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joeljwrighttimburke: I'm just sorry it took me so long to get back to that patch21:46
cschwedethat said, thanks acoles for organizing the hackathon and hotel reservation!21:46
jrichli+121:46
notmynameyes!21:46
acolesi have a couple of EC related patches that have been around a while, patch 181407 and patch 23268421:47
patchbotacoles: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/181407/ - EC: Avoid conflicts when ssync'ing fragments21:47
patchbotacoles: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/232684/ - Don't ssync data when only a durable is missing21:47
notmynameI'm looking forward to it. and probably need to buy a heavier coat21:47
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acoleswe have a great crowd signed up, I am looking forward to it21:47
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notmynamethen if there's nothing else...21:48
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notmynamethanks for coming today. and thanks for working on swift21:49
notmyname#endmeeting21:49
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