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| aspiers | hi all, who's around? | 08:59 |
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| _gryf | o/ | 08:59 |
| kazuIchikawa | hi | 08:59 |
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| aspiers | no beekhof yet | 09:01 |
| aspiers | or ddeja | 09:02 |
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| masahito | it looks so. | 09:02 |
| _gryf | aspiers, ddeja probably will be absent today | 09:02 |
| aspiers | no problem | 09:02 |
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| aspiers | OK, let's start | 09:03 |
| aspiers | #startmeeting ha | 09:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 18 09:03:11 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is aspiers. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ha)" | 09:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ha' | 09:03 |
| aspiers | welcome everyone | 09:03 |
| _gryf | hello again :) | 09:03 |
| aspiers | I guess it might be a bit short today but that's no problem :) | 09:03 |
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| masahito | hello | 09:04 |
| aspiers | let's start with some status updates as per normal | 09:04 |
| aspiers | #topic Current status (progress, issues, roadblocks, further plans) | 09:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Current status (progress, issues, roadblocks, further plans) (Meeting topic: ha)" | 09:04 | |
| * aspiers picks someone at random | 09:04 | |
| aspiers | masahito: anything you'd like to report? | 09:04 |
| masahito | I'm working on my work items for Masakari, so nothing to specials. | 09:05 |
| aspiers | ok | 09:05 |
| aspiers | hey kazuIchikawa, welcome to our small group :) are you also working on masakari? | 09:06 |
| kazuIchikawa | Yes, I'm working on masakari with masahito. | 09:07 |
| aspiers | cool | 09:07 |
| kazuIchikawa | He is my colleague, actually. working in same office. | 09:07 |
| aspiers | nice | 09:07 |
| aspiers | I don't have too much to report | 09:08 |
| aspiers | briefly: | 09:08 |
| aspiers | I merged one or two patches into openstack-resource-agents | 09:08 |
| _gryf | also, nothing from my side | 09:08 |
| _gryf | but ddeja was able to bring his setup alive last Friday | 09:08 |
| aspiers | there are still a few outstanding | 09:08 |
| _gryf | and currently he is back on track and working on tuning the mistral workflows for evacuation | 09:08 |
| aspiers | _gryf: sounds cool! | 09:08 |
| bogdando | hi | 09:09 |
| aspiers | _gryf: I guess the github will continue to be updated? | 09:09 |
| aspiers | oh hey bogdando :) | 09:09 |
| _gryf | aspiers, I hope :) | 09:09 |
| aspiers | I've continued to have a long discussion with beekhof about the future of OCF RAs | 09:09 |
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| aspiers | and their relationship to systemd | 09:09 |
| aspiers | I am still thinking it might be a good idea if the RAs are changed to wrap around system unit services | 09:10 |
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| aspiers | instead of reimplementing the logic / config for starting/stopping the daemons | 09:10 |
| aspiers | beekhof strongly disagrees ;-) | 09:10 |
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| aspiers | for reasons which I don't fully understand yet | 09:11 |
| bogdando | aspiers, do you mean only stateless resources by OCF or stateful as well? | 09:11 |
| bogdando | like clusters | 09:11 |
| aspiers | bogdando: possibly both | 09:11 |
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| aspiers | hey ddeja :) | 09:11 |
| ddeja | hi all, sorry for beeing late :) | 09:11 |
| aspiers | no problem | 09:11 |
| bogdando | the point is for the clusters, start/stop differs | 09:11 |
| ddeja | I left my car for repair and didin't expect public transport to take so long | 09:11 |
| aspiers | hehe | 09:12 |
| _gryf | heh | 09:12 |
| bogdando | and systemd start/stop logic cannot fit the needs perhaps | 09:12 |
| bogdando | as well as any init-like one | 09:12 |
| aspiers | well, let's finish the status round first, and then maybe we can come back to this topic? | 09:12 |
| aspiers | want to make sure everyone gets a chance to give their status | 09:12 |
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| aspiers | the other thing I have to report is that I'm still working on our automation of compute node HA setup via Chef | 09:13 |
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| aspiers | but it's quite close to completion now | 09:13 |
| aspiers | bogdando: you want to give a status update on anything? | 09:13 |
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| bogdando | no so far, only few updates to the ha guide related things | 09:13 |
| aspiers | yeah, ha-guide project seems very active :) | 09:14 |
| aspiers | ddeja: anything from your side? | 09:14 |
| ddeja | aspiers: yes, thanks | 09:14 |
| bogdando | galera patch was reworked, thanks to Kenneth, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263075/ | 09:14 |
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| ddeja | I have finished working whit my setup for auto-evac testing | 09:15 |
| aspiers | cool | 09:15 |
| ddeja | And I'm hardening mistral workflow, but on Friday I hit something, that might be a bug | 09:15 |
| ddeja | But not sure yet, must do a double check | 09:15 |
| ddeja | as soon as I have my workflow fully working, I'll let you know and I'll describe it in etherpad/github | 09:16 |
| aspiers | ddeja: do you have any updates you could push to https://github.com/gryf/mistral-evacuate ? | 09:16 |
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| aspiers | ok great! | 09:16 |
| aspiers | alright, I think that's everyone, or does anyone else want to report anything? | 09:17 |
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| ddeja | aspiers: yes, but I must confirm that there is bug in mistral itself, not in my workflow before I push it, hopefully I'll do it tommorow :) | 09:17 |
| aspiers | ddeja: cool :) | 09:17 |
| aspiers | also, if you want to discuss a particular topic today (or in the future), please say so now | 09:17 |
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| aspiers | I would quite like to return to this topic of OCF RAs and systemd to get other people's opinions | 09:18 |
| aspiers | but happy to discuss anything else | 09:18 |
| ddeja | I'm OK with OCF RAs stuff | 09:19 |
| aspiers | ok | 09:19 |
| aspiers | #topic OCF RAs and systemd | 09:19 |
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| aspiers | firstly, is anyone *not* using systemd? | 09:19 |
| aspiers | so my original idea, which I think I have mentioned in previous meetings, or on #openstack-ha, is to make small changes to the existing OCF RAs so that they wrap around systemd | 09:20 |
| masahito | for HA one? | 09:20 |
| aspiers | or at least, that they wrap around service(8) | 09:20 |
| aspiers | masahito: I mean, in general | 09:20 |
| aspiers | masahito: vs. sysvinit, upstart etc. | 09:20 |
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| aspiers | there are a few problems with the existing OCF RAs | 09:21 |
| masahito | got it. we're using upstart. | 09:21 |
| bogdando | let's create a spec first. There is high dev & ops impact | 09:21 |
| aspiers | bogdando: sure. this is very much in the proposal phase right now | 09:21 |
| aspiers | a spec is a good idea | 09:21 |
| bogdando | I'd like to see this change backwards compatible | 09:21 |
| aspiers | bogdando: I think it would be, but we'd have to check | 09:21 |
| aspiers | the problems I want to solve are: | 09:21 |
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| bogdando | with some deprectaion perhaps unless there is ubuntu 16.04 at lest :) | 09:22 |
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| aspiers | 1. duplication of daemon management logic | 09:22 |
| aspiers | 2. distro-specific code in openstack-resource-agents repo | 09:22 |
| aspiers | 3. inconsistency of daemon management between HA clouds and non-HA clouds | 09:22 |
| aspiers | 4. delegation of maintenance of daemon management to distro packages | 09:22 |
| aspiers | (2. and 4. are kind of the same thing) | 09:23 |
| aspiers | so currently the OCF RAs start up daemons in their own way | 09:23 |
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| aspiers | they don't care how the daemons are packaged by the distro | 09:23 |
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| aspiers | if the distro package changes, the RA might also need a change | 09:23 |
| aspiers | or at least the Pacemaker primitive | 09:23 |
| bogdando | another point is probably a single point of entry for the resources control | 09:24 |
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| bogdando | would systemd allow to effectively handle this? | 09:24 |
| aspiers | bogdando: could you expand a bit on what you mean by that please? | 09:24 |
| bogdando | I mean that init-based control plane shall be not used, or desabled then pacemaker takes care | 09:24 |
| bogdando | disabled* | 09:24 |
| aspiers | well that's already true | 09:25 |
| aspiers | if Pacemaker manages the service, then the admin must not also try to start/stop it | 09:25 |
| aspiers | I don't think my proposal changes that | 09:25 |
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| bogdando | yes, but I thought systemd may integrate things a bit better | 09:25 |
| bogdando | must not -> cannot | 09:25 |
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| bogdando | or transparently "will not", in fact | 09:26 |
| aspiers | I don't think systemd lets us prevent admins interfering with Pacemaker-controlled services | 09:26 |
| bogdando | ;( | 09:26 |
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| aspiers | which is a shame | 09:26 |
| aspiers | maybe there is some way to hack that, I'm not sure | 09:26 |
| masahito | my concern is how pacemaker works when a process launched by systemd goes down. | 09:26 |
| aspiers | masahito: in that case, Pacemaker must be in charge of restarting it | 09:27 |
| bogdando | yes, good point to address in the spec, failure modes | 09:27 |
| bogdando | and avoiding split brain to control planes | 09:27 |
| aspiers | masahito: in my proposal, Pacemaker launches the process *via* systemd | 09:27 |
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| aspiers | so e.g. the 'start' action of the OCF RA will call something like "service openstack-keystone start" | 09:28 |
| masahito | aspiers: got it. | 09:28 |
| bogdando | so status in the systemd will be correct, but it shall not try to do respawn race | 09:28 |
| aspiers | bogdando: correct | 09:28 |
| aspiers | yes, this also solves the problem that 5. currently "systemctl status" is not guaranteed accurate if the service is started by Pacemaker | 09:28 |
| aspiers | since that relies on the OCF RA using the same pid file and/or daemon name as systemd | 09:29 |
| bogdando | looks like very good idea, but complex to address (considering keeping it backwards compatible unless there is LTS ubuntu with systemd) | 09:29 |
| aspiers | bogdando: I think it would be extremely simple to do | 09:29 |
| bogdando | so we need a spec and PoC perhaps | 09:29 |
| aspiers | bogdando: it's just a few lines of code changed in each RA | 09:29 |
| aspiers | beekhof highlighted one issue with systemctl though | 09:29 |
| bogdando | yes perhaps | 09:29 |
| aspiers | systemctl start/stop are asynchronous | 09:29 |
| aspiers | they do not block until the service is started/stopped | 09:30 |
| bogdando | oh, that may be a big problem for stop logic in pacemaker | 09:30 |
| aspiers | so after you call systemctl, you have to poll until the service is really started or stopped | 09:30 |
| bogdando | and unexpected STONITHes :) | 09:30 |
| aspiers | but I think that can be solved simply by a loop which calls the 'monitor' action | 09:30 |
| bogdando | then the action stop times out | 09:30 |
| aspiers | where 'monitor' should do application-level monitoring (e.g. HTTP layer tests) | 09:31 |
| bogdando | but in fact is running async | 09:31 |
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| bogdando | another failure mode to catch up | 09:31 |
| aspiers | bogdando: yes, the polling loop would need a timeout, but this is easy to do | 09:31 |
| aspiers | also the systemctl would need a timeout, which again is easy | 09:31 |
| aspiers | I have discussed this proposal a LOT with beekhof | 09:31 |
| aspiers | he doesn't like it ;-) | 09:32 |
| aspiers | but I don't understand why yet | 09:32 |
| aspiers | he says systemd is too unreliable to use | 09:32 |
| bogdando | :) | 09:32 |
| aspiers | but I don't know what technical issues he is referring to | 09:32 |
| aspiers | so I guess that conversation will continue | 09:32 |
| bogdando | by the way | 09:33 |
| ddeja | maybe whe sould ask beekhof to elaborate more on this? | 09:33 |
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| aspiers | ddeja: I already did | 09:33 |
| ddeja | aspiers: cool | 09:33 |
| aspiers | ddeja: waiting for an answer | 09:33 |
| ddeja | aspiers: OK | 09:33 |
| bogdando | for stop, I believe we should use a unified proc_stop which relies on several iterations of SIGTERM | 09:33 |
| bogdando | folowing by the SIGKILL if nothing helps to stop gracefully | 09:33 |
| aspiers | but in any case, I agree that a spec and some PoC (e.g. a WIP pull request to openstack-resource-agents) is a good way to go | 09:33 |
| _gryf | aspiers, is that thread on the ml and somehow i've missed it? | 09:33 |
| bogdando | that would be a more classic unix way, rely on the signals, IMO | 09:34 |
| bogdando | I have an example to show | 09:34 |
| aspiers | _gryf: no, unfortunately it had to be private since there were some minor political topics involved :-/ | 09:34 |
| _gryf | aspiers, oh, got it ;) | 09:34 |
| aspiers | _gryf: but a spec / gerrit review would help keep the technical discussion open | 09:35 |
| aspiers | I would much prefer that | 09:35 |
| bogdando | https://github.com/rabbitmq/rabbitmq-server/blob/6fd4eb5bcb39be7f5ac26dcc78e3a4b4df4c6fbb/scripts/rabbitmq-server-ha.ocf#L303-L463 | 09:35 |
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| aspiers | #action aspiers to write a spec proposing OCF RAs wrap systemd, and possibly a gerrit review showing a PoC | 09:35 |
| _gryf | aspiers, yeah. and for me both (gerrit/ml) works fine | 09:35 |
| bogdando | we could contribute this to the ocf-shell-funcs of the resource-agents | 09:35 |
| bogdando | an use this instead of the init control plane for stopping things | 09:36 |
| bogdando | and | 09:36 |
| aspiers | #action beekhof to give technical details of systemd issues which prevent reliable building of OCF RAs on top of it | 09:36 |
| bogdando | thoughts? | 09:36 |
| aspiers | bogdando: yes, maybe there is an opportunity for reuse of library code there | 09:36 |
| aspiers | bogdando: however the idea is to leave the majority of the logic to systemd | 09:37 |
| bogdando | I believe posix signals will make happy even the ones with the longest beards among us :) | 09:37 |
| aspiers | so effective the OCF RAs don't add much around systemd except 1. polling and error handling to cover systemd timing / failure issues and 2. application-layer monitoring | 09:37 |
| bogdando | at least please put this as the alternative to the stop case | 09:38 |
| bogdando | an alternative* | 09:38 |
| aspiers | bogdando: well, determining which PID to kill is a detail I would prefer to be handled by systemd | 09:38 |
| bogdando | cuz you know, in pacemaker the stop is the most sensitive thing | 09:38 |
| aspiers | since that depends on how the daemon is coded and packaged by the distro | 09:38 |
| aspiers | yes I agree, stop is really critical | 09:38 |
| aspiers | but I believe that if the distro packages can't reliably stop the service via systemd, then that is a distro bug | 09:39 |
| aspiers | there is no 100% reliable cross-distro way to determine the pid of the daemon | 09:40 |
| bogdando | procfs? | 09:40 |
| bogdando | not 100%? | 09:40 |
| aspiers | no, because you have to make assumptions about the daemon process name | 09:40 |
| aspiers | or the location of the pid file | 09:40 |
| aspiers | and then this has to be a parameter to the Pacemaker primitive | 09:40 |
| bogdando | the latter one is under OCF RA control, as a parameter perhaps | 09:40 |
| aspiers | which is a duplication of config data already defined by the distro packages | 09:40 |
| aspiers | and that's what I want to avoid | 09:41 |
| bogdando | well, we could rely on the systemd to get the pid | 09:41 |
| aspiers | yes, that's exactly my proposal :) | 09:41 |
| bogdando | but still use proc_stop for stopping | 09:41 |
| aspiers | bogdando: what's wrong with systemctl stop? | 09:41 |
| bogdando | async | 09:41 |
| aspiers | bogdando: solved by polling | 09:41 |
| bogdando | not guarantees results | 09:42 |
| aspiers | then isn't that a distro bug? | 09:42 |
| aspiers | what could go wrong? | 09:42 |
| bogdando | we want stop like STONITH, to be sure the one was nuked down | 09:42 |
| bogdando | in the specified op stop timeout | 09:42 |
| aspiers | why can't systemd do this? | 09:42 |
| bogdando | some folks say it is not reliable enough ;) | 09:43 |
| bogdando | while kill -TERM , kill -KILL was proven to be so for decades | 09:43 |
| ddeja | but it's one of the pacemaker features - it'll kill host if it's unable to stop one of it's services | 09:43 |
| aspiers | but that's what systemd does | 09:43 |
| aspiers | bogdando: see the systemd.kill(5) man page | 09:43 |
| bogdando | okay, thanks will look | 09:43 |
| ddeja | so what's the big deal if systemd will not stop service? | 09:43 |
| aspiers | bogdando: systemd can send SIGKILL | 09:44 |
| aspiers | if needed | 09:44 |
| aspiers | ddeja: we want to avoid STONITH if we possibly can, since it's much more disruptive | 09:44 |
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| ddeja | aspiers: ok, sure thing | 09:45 |
| aspiers | but I can't imagine a scenario where systemd would fail to kill the process via SIGTERM/HUP/KILL, unless there was some kind kernel bug | 09:45 |
| aspiers | and in that case, we want STONITH anyway :) | 09:45 |
| bogdando | sigkill should work indeed | 09:45 |
| aspiers | there may well be other issues I am not aware of | 09:45 |
| aspiers | beekhof certainly seems to think so | 09:45 |
| aspiers | but I haven't heard the details yet | 09:45 |
| bogdando | but that if pid was lost? | 09:45 |
| aspiers | bogdando: what do you mean by lost? | 09:46 |
| bogdando | proc_stop assumes one may use the name based mathcing | 09:46 |
| aspiers | bogdando: name-based matching is not cross-distro and also unreliable | 09:46 |
| bogdando | imagine a byzantine case then the app crashed and removed its pid too eraly | 09:46 |
| bogdando | earlyu | 09:46 |
| bogdando | well, *early* | 09:46 |
| aspiers | bogdando: in that case, systemd can detect the service is already stopped | 09:46 |
| aspiers | so there is no problem | 09:47 |
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| bogdando | I can only say that pidfiles not always contain one's expecting | 09:47 |
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| bogdando | especially for high load systems | 09:48 |
| aspiers | bogdando: perhaps you can give some concrete examples on #openstack-ha later, or via email? | 09:48 |
| bogdando | okay | 09:48 |
| aspiers | cool, thanks | 09:48 |
| aspiers | btw, there was a report on #openstack-ha in the last few days about a bug where detecting pid via name-based matching failed | 09:48 |
| aspiers | so this is not just a theoretical issue | 09:49 |
| aspiers | ok, so I will write a spec | 09:49 |
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| aspiers | apologies in advance: I will probably not have time to do it in the next few weeks :-( | 09:49 |
| aspiers | we have a major release coming up, and I am also going away for 2 weeks | 09:50 |
| aspiers | but I don't think this proposal is urgent anyway | 09:50 |
| aspiers | anyone have any other topics to discuss? bogdando, anything about the ha-guide maybe? e.g. new meeting time? | 09:50 |
| aspiers | #action bogdando to give some concrete examples where pid files (and perhaps hence systemd) cannot be relied on | 09:51 |
| aspiers | #info success of systemctl stop is considered very important, to avoid STONITH unless we really need it | 09:52 |
| aspiers | #info systemd seems to be quite powerful in capabilities for killing misbehaving processes | 09:53 |
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| aspiers | ok I guess not | 09:55 |
| aspiers | in that case let's end the meeting | 09:55 |
| aspiers | thanks all, and see you next week, or on #openstack-ha before then! | 09:55 |
| masahito | ok, bye | 09:55 |
| aspiers | bye for now :) | 09:55 |
| kazuIchikawa | bye | 09:55 |
| ddeja | bye | 09:55 |
| aspiers | #endmeeting | 09:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 18 09:56:09 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 09:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/2016/ha.2016-01-18-09.03.html | 09:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/2016/ha.2016-01-18-09.03.txt | 09:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/2016/ha.2016-01-18-09.03.log.html | 09:56 |
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| bauzas | sched meeting, nope ? | 14:02 |
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| boris-42 | bauzas: it' s rally meeting now | 14:05 |
| boris-42 | #startmeeting Rally | 14:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 18 14:05:22 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is boris-42. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 14:05 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rally' | 14:05 |
| bauzas | boris-42: ;) | 14:05 |
| ikhudoshyn | o/ | 14:06 |
| kun_huang | o/ | 14:06 |
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| ikhudoshyn | boris-42, it's not my turn, I guess, yet I'd really like to start)) | 14:08 |
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| DinaBelova | o/ | 14:09 |
| boris-42 | so | 14:09 |
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| boris-42 | #topic Rally Agaenda | 14:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Rally Agaenda (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 14:09 | |
| boris-42 | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Rally | 14:09 |
| boris-42 | It's here ^ | 14:10 |
| ikhudoshyn | yep) | 14:10 |
| boris-42 | @amaretskiy please write topic next in one line | 14:10 |
| amaretskiy | hi | 14:11 |
| boris-42 | @amaretskiy because it's really bad to write whole story in topic because I can't just paste it | 14:11 |
| amaretskiy | #topic command 'rally version' always returns version that was determined once during the installation, so this command lies to those users (mostly developers) who uses rally directly from git repository without re-installation. Any ideas how to deal with it? | 14:11 |
| amaretskiy | developers can update rally in several ways | 14:12 |
| boris-42 | Any idea how to deal is unnecessary | 14:12 |
| boris-42 | #topic command 'rally version' always returns version that was determined once during the installation, so this command lies to those users (mostly developers) who uses rally directly from git repository without re-installation. | 14:12 |
| amaretskiy | one way is re-install rally | 14:12 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: wait for bot | 14:13 |
| amaretskiy | ok | 14:13 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: as you see it didn't set up the topic | 14:13 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: seems like it's too long | 14:13 |
| amaretskiy | maybe single quotes? | 14:13 |
| boris-42 | #topic Issues with Rally version & virtual env | 14:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Issues with Rally version & virtual env (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 14:13 | |
| amaretskiy | looks good | 14:13 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: nope just too long | 14:14 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: nobody expects essay in topic | 14:14 |
| boris-42 | ;) | 14:14 |
| amaretskiy | sure | 14:14 |
| boris-42 | okay so short description of troulbe one more time | 14:14 |
| amaretskiy | topic is related to pbr | 14:14 |
| amaretskiy | once the rally is installed | 14:14 |
| amaretskiy | its version is remembered by pbr | 14:15 |
| amaretskiy | so command rally --version shows this version | 14:15 |
| amaretskiy | so if we need some specific rally version | 14:15 |
| amaretskiy | we can checkout this commit in local rally git repository | 14:16 |
| amaretskiy | and then reinstall rally from thi srepository | 14:16 |
| amaretskiy | in this case rally --version will show correct (new and actual) version | 14:16 |
| amaretskiy | but there is another way, even simpler | 14:17 |
| amaretskiy | to point python to load rally code directly from the repository | 14:17 |
| amaretskiy | for example, using PYTHON_PATH env var | 14:17 |
| amaretskiy | so the only thing needed to get specific rally version available is just checkout the commit | 14:18 |
| amaretskiy | but rally --version will show non-actual version | 14:18 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: sorry but seems like you didn't start from the beeging description | 14:18 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: ^ | 14:18 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: so it's not clear for me where is the problem | 14:19 |
| amaretskiy | if there are some people (not only me) who experience this issue, can we do something with that | 14:19 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: I do not understand from your description issue sorry | 14:19 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: okay I have installed Rally getting right version, doing checkout reinstalling Rally getting new but as well right version | 14:19 |
| boris-42 | what's the problem? | 14:19 |
| amaretskiy | the problem is incorrect version shown by command rally --version if rally is run from the repository, without re-installation | 14:19 |
| amaretskiy | if we re-install rally then there is no problem | 14:20 |
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| boris-42 | amaretskiy: so this bug is related to pbr | 14:20 |
| amaretskiy | this issue is probably for rally developers | 14:20 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: https://launchpad.net/pbr | 14:20 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: it's not rally issue imho | 14:21 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: did you talk to oslo cores and pbr developers? | 14:21 |
| amaretskiy | no | 14:21 |
| amaretskiy | maybe - yes | 14:21 |
| amaretskiy | the topic to discuss is actually the approach | 14:21 |
| amaretskiy | where to get the actual rally version | 14:21 |
| amaretskiy | to show it to user | 14:22 |
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| amaretskiy | if from pbr (as this currently being done) - then this is an expected issue, not a bug in some meaning | 14:22 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: why ? | 14:23 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: I believe it should always go to where rally is actually installed | 14:23 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: and not look at the directory where the command is run | 14:23 |
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| amaretskiy | no, in the case i mentioned above (using PYTHON_PATH) there is a location 1 where rally actually installed and location 2 where is an initial rally git repository | 14:24 |
| amaretskiy | so rally is run from the repository - actual installation is ignored | 14:25 |
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| amaretskiy | this is a case for developers, not for users, i think | 14:25 |
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| amaretskiy | this is a specific issue | 14:25 |
| amaretskiy | maybe we can consider doing nothing with that at all :) | 14:25 |
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| boris-42 | amaretskiy: seems like so | 14:25 |
| amaretskiy | okay | 14:25 |
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| boris-42 | amaretskiy: it's soemthing invalid=) | 14:26 |
| ikhudoshyn | i don't think this is an issue | 14:26 |
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| ikhudoshyn | devs could always do git status | 14:26 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: so if I have installed rally in system-wide and I have installed it in venv | 14:26 |
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| boris-42 | amaretskiy: if I activate venv will the version will be oK? | 14:26 |
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| amaretskiy | yes, i thought about that, but wanted to ask any case | 14:26 |
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| amaretskiy | no | 14:26 |
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| boris-42 | amaretskiy: so this is the case when it doesn't work? | 14:27 |
| amaretskiy | venv activation does not change anything | 14:27 |
| amaretskiy | only re-setting envvar PYTHON_ENV does this | 14:27 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: so why not talking to pbr guys? | 14:27 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: about this? | 14:27 |
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| amaretskiy | using PYTHON_ENV is something tricky that makes development easier | 14:27 |
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| amaretskiy | but this is not a standard way, of course | 14:28 |
| amaretskiy | so this is can be considered as not a bug | 14:28 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: if it doesn't work in virtualenv | 14:28 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: it's standard way how developers works and it's actually bug | 14:28 |
| boris-42 | work* | 14:29 |
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| amaretskiy | using PYTHON_PATH can affect venv, this is normal | 14:30 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: I do not understand what you are doing | 14:30 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: something very dirty | 14:30 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: so if we have venv it won't work as well? | 14:30 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: yes/no? | 14:30 |
| amaretskiy | i think we should not consider that we have a bug in pbr or etc, but my idea is consider about getting rally version directly from the source code | 14:30 |
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| boris-42 | amaretskiy: please answer on question, i am still not sure what you are doing | 14:31 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: after 30 minute | 14:31 |
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| amaretskiy | i always use venv, and rally --version does not work correctly if i change PYTHON_PATH | 14:31 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: so venv + cahnging the PythonPath breaks the things? | 14:32 |
| amaretskiy | i will repeat the workflow | 14:32 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: if so you are shooting up in your legs | 14:32 |
| amaretskiy | boris-42: both system installation and using venv will broke rally --version | 14:32 |
| amaretskiy | if we use PYTHON_PATH | 14:32 |
| ikhudoshyn | amaretskiy, Will not using PYTHON_PATH fix the thing? | 14:33 |
| rvasilets | o/ | 14:33 |
| amaretskiy | ikhudoshyn: PYTHON_PATH brokes thing, not fixes it :) | 14:34 |
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| amaretskiy | *breaks | 14:34 |
| boris-42 | guys let's move to next topic | 14:35 |
| amaretskiy | okay, I think I'm the only man who uses this tricky way, maybe we can skip this topic as invalid? | 14:35 |
| ikhudoshyn | amaretskiy, ))) What I ask is: if we not change PYTHON_ENV but have both system-wide rally and rally in venv, and we activate venv, wht version would be shown? | 14:35 |
| ikhudoshyn | boris-42, +1 | 14:35 |
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| boris-42 | #topic [rvasilets] Copy-paste code in cinder wrapper. Unification of usage of cinderclient and cinder wrapper in cinder utils. | 14:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "[rvasilets] Copy-paste code in cinder wrapper. Unification of usage of cinderclient and cinder wrapper in cinder utils. (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 14:35 | |
| rvasilets | typing | 14:35 |
| boris-42 | There is spec about this | 14:35 |
| amaretskiy | ikhudoshyn: using PYTHON_PATH saves a lot of my time :) | 14:35 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets: ^ | 14:35 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets: don't type to much | 14:35 |
| rvasilets | oO | 14:35 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets: go and review spec | 14:36 |
| rvasilets | I don't know about it | 14:36 |
| rvasilets | just I noticed that code in wrapper is duplicated | 14:36 |
| boris-42 | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/172831/ | 14:36 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets: it is not only duplicated it's wrongly done | 14:36 |
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| rvasilets | okey I will review it | 14:37 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets: unfortunately we had to merge that =( | 14:37 |
| rvasilets | it reasonable | 14:37 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets: because nobody is working on spec | 14:37 |
| rvasilets | I will take a look at it | 14:37 |
| rvasilets | and maybe update if its needed | 14:37 |
| rvasilets | or ping Yair) | 14:38 |
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| rvasilets | thus I think we could close this topic) | 14:39 |
| rvasilets | This topic was covered by spec | 14:40 |
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| boris-42 | rvasilets: ya we need to finish that spec | 14:41 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets: provide some input if you have =) | 14:42 |
| boris-42 | okay next topic | 14:42 |
| boris-42 | #topic * [ikhudoshyn] Issue with DB migration -- alembic fails to create foreign key for a table referring itself | 14:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "* [ikhudoshyn] Issue with DB migration -- alembic fails to create foreign key for a table referring itself (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 14:42 | |
| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: okay now you=) | 14:42 |
| ikhudoshyn | so.. | 14:42 |
| ikhudoshyn | I'm working on DB migrations patch | 14:42 |
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| ikhudoshyn | The code itself is done (I guess). It does migrations, I checked manually. | 14:43 |
| ikhudoshyn | but.. | 14:43 |
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| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: but what?) | 14:43 |
| ikhudoshyn | I found an issue while working on tests.. though it is not test related.. | 14:43 |
| ikhudoshyn | here it is | 14:43 |
| ikhudoshyn | in my test I start with EMPTY db, stamp it as 'base', then upgrade it | 14:44 |
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| ikhudoshyn | after that, DB schema is being analysed against object models | 14:44 |
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| ikhudoshyn | what i found is: everything works great with sqlite.. | 14:44 |
| ikhudoshyn | but an issue arises with postgres | 14:45 |
| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: and what about mysql? | 14:45 |
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| ikhudoshyn | we have defined foreign key on table 'deployments', parent_uuid -> uuid | 14:45 |
| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: yep we have that thing | 14:45 |
| ikhudoshyn | it does not get created in postgres during migration | 14:46 |
| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: so you can change the autogenerated alembic migration | 14:46 |
| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: to create it | 14:46 |
| ikhudoshyn | boris-42, not really.. | 14:46 |
| ikhudoshyn | let me finish | 14:46 |
| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: ok | 14:46 |
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| ikhudoshyn | the issue is, during migration PGSQL complaints that there is no 'unique' constraint on 'uuid' field -- so it fails to create foreign key | 14:47 |
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| ikhudoshyn | i could create this 'unique' constraint but in this case tests will fail cause there is no such constraint in the models | 14:48 |
| ikhudoshyn | looks like it is a bug in alembic.. (or in psycopg2) | 14:48 |
| ikhudoshyn | so we generally have 3 ways: | 14:49 |
| ikhudoshyn | 1. find the bug in alembic/psycopg2, try to fix | 14:49 |
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| ikhudoshyn | 2. change the models _VERY SLIGHTLY_ -- I think that's not an option for us | 14:49 |
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| ikhudoshyn | 3. tweak the test to skip this error | 14:50 |
| ikhudoshyn | boris-42, what d'you think? | 14:50 |
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| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: the second option is not case for us | 14:52 |
| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: we can't change anything especially related to postgress | 14:52 |
| ikhudoshyn | boris-42, just as I thought ) | 14:52 |
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| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: so 3 is bad idea | 14:52 |
| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: because we will have real bugs that we are trying to hide | 14:52 |
| ikhudoshyn | boris-42, aha | 14:52 |
| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: it's not clear for me why there is no unqieue constrains on uuid field? | 14:53 |
| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: it should be there | 14:53 |
| ikhudoshyn | boris-42, pls open the sources -- it's not there | 14:53 |
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| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: you mean this https://github.com/openstack/rally/blob/master/rally/common/db/sqlalchemy/models.py#L58 ? | 14:53 |
| ikhudoshyn | yes | 14:53 |
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| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: so that field can be changed | 14:54 |
| ikhudoshyn | ?? Can I add 'unique' to 'uuid' | 14:54 |
| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: yep | 14:54 |
| ikhudoshyn | thanks | 14:54 |
| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: it will work with old schemas | 14:54 |
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| ikhudoshyn | hallelujah | 14:54 |
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| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: however | 14:54 |
| ikhudoshyn | ? | 14:54 |
| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: it's metadaa that is used whey you are running create from models schema | 14:55 |
| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: https://github.com/openstack/rally/blob/master/rally/common/db/sqlalchemy/models.py#L241 | 14:55 |
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| ikhudoshyn | yes? | 14:55 |
| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: yes | 14:55 |
| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: you can writing any sh** there | 14:56 |
| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: and it will work lol | 14:56 |
| ikhudoshyn | boris-42, you mean, write there instead of changing models? | 14:56 |
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| ikhudoshyn | in our case it would mean removing foreign key from metadata | 14:57 |
| ikhudoshyn | or am I wrong? | 14:57 |
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| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: yes like it is done for other tables https://github.com/openstack/rally/blob/master/rally/common/db/sqlalchemy/models.py#L142 | 14:57 |
| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: actually we can write separated migration that fixes psql | 14:58 |
| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: that will be better plan however it's more complicated | 14:58 |
| ikhudoshyn | boris-42, It's just I failed to do that, for a reason.. | 14:58 |
| ikhudoshyn | we're running out of time.. | 14:59 |
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| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: so if you add this uuid to model & regenerate schema | 14:59 |
| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: oh not schema * | 14:59 |
| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: alembic migration | 14:59 |
| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: it will generate proper migration | 14:59 |
| ikhudoshyn | nope)) | 14:59 |
| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: okay let's go to rally chat | 14:59 |
| boris-42 | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 18 14:59:40 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2016/rally.2016-01-18-14.05.html | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2016/rally.2016-01-18-14.05.txt | 14:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2016/rally.2016-01-18-14.05.log.html | 14:59 |
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| anteaya | #startmeeting third-party | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 18 15:00:39 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| anteaya | hello | 15:00 |
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| mmedvede | o/ | 15:01 |
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| eantyshev | Hello, everyone! | 15:01 |
| lennyb | hi | 15:01 |
| anteaya | hey folks | 15:02 |
| anteaya | so what shall we discuss today? | 15:02 |
| anteaya | anyone have anything on their mind? | 15:02 |
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| anteaya | I just have one thing | 15:02 |
| anteaya | next week I will be at the nova mid-cycle | 15:03 |
| lennyb | I am waiting for another +2 from asselin on #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/259083/ , but he is not here, so I will wait :) | 15:03 |
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| eantyshev | I wanted to ask if anyone has CI scoreboard setup at their site? | 15:03 |
| anteaya | if one of you are willing to chair this meeting, then I don't have to worry about working that into my schedule | 15:03 |
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| anteaya | any takers? | 15:03 |
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| rhedlind | hi | 15:04 |
| anteaya | hi | 15:04 |
| mmedvede | eantyshev: we do | 15:04 |
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| anteaya | lennyb: nice work on the patch | 15:04 |
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| anteaya | mmedvede: how is the ci scoreboard working for you? | 15:04 |
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| mmedvede | anteaya: I did chair it before, so could sit in for you again | 15:05 |
| anteaya | mmedvede: thank you, that would be great | 15:05 |
| eantyshev | mmedvede: I set it up last week, it's a great tool, but it doesn't provide any metrics on CI performance... | 15:05 |
| mmedvede | anteaya: but only this one, not the night one :) | 15:05 |
| anteaya | mmedvede: right well the night one ends up being day for me in the uk so I'm fine keeping that one | 15:06 |
| anteaya | mmedvede: thanks for the clarification | 15:06 |
| anteaya | eantyshev: what metrics are you looking for? | 15:06 |
| anteaya | my understanding was that it would provide an overview of success/failure of all cis on a project | 15:07 |
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| eantyshev | I'm interested in something like the correlation between upstream Jenkins and our results | 15:07 |
| anteaya | more like what radar used to provide | 15:07 |
| anteaya | so if you clone the radar code and go back to this sha: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/radar/commit/?id=f12156a422a39e68f0c41155961b6bf4de62de9e | 15:08 |
| anteaya | it might give you what you are looking for | 15:08 |
| anteaya | your system compared to jenkins | 15:09 |
| mmedvede | eantyshev: we actually are working on another dashboard to get it deployed officially - ciwatch dashboard. We used to target ci-scoreboard, but for a few reasons decided to go with ciwatch: https://github.com/openstack-infra/ciwatch. | 15:09 |
| anteaya | #link radar http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/radar/tree/ | 15:09 |
| anteaya | oh perhaps I am confused with the words scoreboard and dashboard | 15:09 |
| mmedvede | eantyshev: and we want to add more stats to ciwatch (which currently has none) | 15:10 |
| anteaya | I never know if the speaker is using those terms in the general sense or the specific | 15:10 |
| eantyshev | anteaya, mmedvede: BTW, what are prerequisites to become a voting CI? | 15:10 |
| anteaya | eantyshev: you need the project you want to allow you to vote +1 verified to allow you to vote +1 verified | 15:10 |
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| anteaya | so permission from the project you want to vote on | 15:11 |
| anteaya | eantyshev: what project? | 15:11 |
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| mmedvede | eantyshev: yes, normally you need to demonstrate a good reliable record for your CI, and be responsive to fix any problems with it | 15:12 |
| eantyshev | anteaya: nova, problably cinder. We should gather some stats for that, shouldn't we? And what is the measure for CI stability? What are the approximate expectations? | 15:12 |
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| mmedvede | eantyshev: also refer to this doc, it has some good information | 15:14 |
| mmedvede | #link http://docs.openstack.org/infra/system-config/third_party.html#permissions-on-your-third-party-system | 15:14 |
| anteaya | eantyshev: do you attend weekly cinder and nova meetings on irc? | 15:15 |
| anteaya | eantyshev: and are you available in both channels? | 15:15 |
| eantyshev | anteaya: not me, but other team members - yes | 15:15 |
| anteaya | do any of the devs on either team know who you are, have you reviewed any patches in either project or fixed any bugs? | 15:15 |
| anteaya | eantyshev: which team members? | 15:15 |
| mmedvede | eantyshev: I think your CI would fail when it should, and not fail when it should not - that is reliable. One way is to compare it to upstream jenkins votes | 15:16 |
| eantyshev | anteaya: Virtuozzo | 15:16 |
| anteaya | I've never interacted with that person | 15:16 |
| lennyb | :q | 15:17 |
| eantyshev | anteaya: that's the company we work at | 15:17 |
| anteaya | you need to develop some interactions with both projects | 15:17 |
| anteaya | eantyshev: which team members have interacted with the projects? | 15:17 |
| eantyshev | anteaya: dguryanov and mnestratov | 15:17 |
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| anteaya | I haven't interacted with either of those people | 15:18 |
| anteaya | okay so combination of the two things | 15:18 |
| anteaya | do what mmedvede is telling you | 15:18 |
| anteaya | but you need to get to know people in other projects | 15:19 |
| anteaya | you have to create trust | 15:19 |
| eantyshev | anteaya: we don't have the prerequisites for becoming voting CI, but it is always good to know what it takes:) | 15:19 |
| anteaya | eantyshev: yes, well that is what it takes | 15:19 |
| anteaya | a stable ci and the trust of the team on the project | 15:19 |
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| anteaya | does any one have anything more on this topic? | 15:20 |
| eantyshev | my first question was about the procedure of this 'stability' estimation. I'm going to look at radar closely | 15:20 |
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| anteaya | eantyshev: sounds good | 15:21 |
| anteaya | does anyone have a different topic they would like to discuss? | 15:21 |
| lennyb | anteaya: no | 15:21 |
| anteaya | lennyb: thank you | 15:21 |
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| anteaya | thanks to mmedvede who will be chairing next week's meeting in this time slot | 15:22 |
| anteaya | I'll read the logs and hope you all attend | 15:22 |
| anteaya | thanks for your kind attendance and participation | 15:22 |
| anteaya | I'll see you in two weeks | 15:22 |
| mmedvede | anteaya: thankss | 15:22 |
| anteaya | enjoy the rest of your day/evening | 15:22 |
| anteaya | #endmeeting | 15:22 |
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| eantyshev | thanks! | 15:22 |
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| matjazp | Hello | 17:02 |
| matjazp | Anyone here for the meeting? | 17:02 |
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| ianychoi | Hello, me is here | 17:03 |
| ianychoi | Hi, matjazp ! | 17:03 |
| matjazp | oh, Hi ianychoi | 17:03 |
| matjazp | #startmeeting training-guides | 17:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 18 17:03:40 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is matjazp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_guides' | 17:03 |
| matjazp | We have standard meeting agenda | 17:03 |
| matjazp | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/training-guides-meeting-agenda | 17:04 |
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| matjazp | so nothing special | 17:04 |
| matjazp | lets review last meeting's action items | 17:04 |
| ianychoi | okay | 17:04 |
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| matjazp | nothing new about Upstream training in Austin | 17:05 |
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| ianychoi | Okay.. please update if there is something new for Austin upstream training. | 17:06 |
| ianychoi | later.. | 17:06 |
| matjazp | i still have to clean up the wiki pages and start a discussion about Training guides | 17:06 |
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| matjazp | #action matjazp cleans up project's wiki pages | 17:07 |
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| matjazp | #action matjazp starts a discussion about training guides on ML | 17:07 |
| matjazp | #topic upstream training | 17:07 |
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| matjazp | nothing new here | 17:08 |
| ianychoi | For upstream training, there is nothing new.. +1 | 17:08 |
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| matjazp | ok, moving on | 17:08 |
| matjazp | #topic training guides | 17:09 |
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| matjazp | I still have to start a debate about training guides | 17:09 |
| matjazp | we need to revive the effort here | 17:09 |
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| matjazp | so nothing new to report | 17:09 |
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| ianychoi | I have a question.. a landing page also requires discussions? | 17:09 |
| matjazp | no | 17:10 |
| matjazp | if you would like to submit a landing page for trainig guides, you're more than welcome | 17:10 |
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| ianychoi | I am currently building a simple landing page for training guides, and I am struggling with some tox build errors :) | 17:10 |
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| matjazp | can you paste the output somewhere? | 17:11 |
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| ianychoi | Sure, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/training-guides-tox-build-error | 17:13 |
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| ianychoi | I have executed "tox -e checkbuild" command with some modifications.. | 17:13 |
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| matjazp | for output like this, it is better to use paste.openstack.org | 17:15 |
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| ianychoi | http://paste.openstack.org/show/484181/ | 17:15 |
| ianychoi | Thank you, matjazp ! | 17:15 |
| ianychoi | Can I remove "doc8 doc/training-guides" on tox.ini for checkbuild? | 17:16 |
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| matjazp | this is local output, right? | 17:17 |
| matjazp | it reports some errors doc/training-guides/build/slides/associate-guide/_static/fonts/generator_config.txt:5: D001 Line too long | 17:17 |
| matjazp | doc/training-guides/build/slides/associate-guide/_static/fonts/generator_config.txt:5: D005 No newline at end of file | 17:17 |
| matjazp | doc8 is a syntax checker, but but this is weird | 17:18 |
| matjazp | where is this font stuff coming from | 17:19 |
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| matjazp | why would it check a build directorry? | 17:20 |
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| ianychoi | Hmm.. it is a little bit strange because upstream-training uses the same generator_config.txt file and both content are the same.. | 17:21 |
| matjazp | not exactly | 17:21 |
| matjazp | we have one more dir in training guides | 17:21 |
| matjazp | associate guide | 17:21 |
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| matjazp | it shoudl ignore all build dirs | 17:22 |
| ianychoi | hmm... okay | 17:22 |
| matjazp | we have this in tox.ini | 17:22 |
| matjazp | ignore-path = doc/upstream-training/build/*,doc/training-guides/*/build/* | 17:22 |
| ianychoi | Oh! | 17:23 |
| ianychoi | I did not recognize that line! | 17:23 |
| matjazp | in doc8 section | 17:23 |
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| ianychoi | Thanks... now I understand what problem is. | 17:24 |
| matjazp | is this filter correct? | 17:24 |
| matjazp | doc/training-guides/*/build/* | 17:24 |
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| ianychoi | In training-guides, currently only associate-guide is configured to be built. So I added one more rst build in training-guides itself and modified output directories.. | 17:25 |
| matjazp | oh, so it's because of the additional content | 17:26 |
| ianychoi | Yep.. thanks a lot! | 17:26 |
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| matjazp | you can also submit a patch and mark it as wip | 17:26 |
| matjazp | and we can help there | 17:27 |
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| ianychoi | Okay. I will upload a gerrit review with current status and [WIP] mark. | 17:27 |
| matjazp | excelent, thanks for tacklning this | 17:29 |
| ianychoi | #link https://review.openstack.org/269204 | 17:30 |
| matjazp | you can also submit a bug and assign it to yourself, so others will know it is in the works | 17:30 |
| ianychoi | Okay, I will also submit into launchpad | 17:30 |
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| ianychoi | Thanks so much for your kind help for dealing with this issue! | 17:31 |
| matjazp | cool, thnks1 | 17:31 |
| matjazp | moving on? | 17:31 |
| ianychoi | Sure:) | 17:31 |
| matjazp | #topic any oyher business | 17:32 |
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| matjazp | is there anything else we should mention? | 17:32 |
| matjazp | how are your preparations for Korean Upstream training? | 17:33 |
| ianychoi | No.. and thank you for your emails for Korean upstream training. | 17:33 |
| matjazp | no problem, maybe you can get few useful pointers | 17:34 |
| ianychoi | Now total 190 minutes (1:00pm to 4:10pm) and 30-person-sized room is allocated. | 17:34 |
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| ianychoi | This week, me and other OpenStack Korean community staffs would like to make a more detail plan..:) | 17:35 |
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| matjazp | it looks like you have everything under control :) | 17:35 |
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| matjazp | will you record the meeting? | 17:35 |
| ianychoi | I think recording may be okay. | 17:36 |
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| matjazp | cool, maybe we can put a section in the upstream training landing page with links to the upstream tining sessions | 17:37 |
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| matjazp | tining=training | 17:37 |
| ianychoi | Yep :) | 17:38 |
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| ianychoi | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-training-guides/+bug/1535393 | 17:38 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1535393 in OpenStack Training Guides "Landing page for training-guides" [Undecided,New] | 17:38 |
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| matjazp | just assign it to yourself | 17:40 |
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| matjazp | I've confirmed it | 17:40 |
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| ianychoi | I have another question. | 17:40 |
| matjazp | sure | 17:41 |
| ianychoi | After describing on launchpad, I have updated on the commit message with Closes-Bug tag. | 17:41 |
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| matjazp | yes, I've just read it | 17:41 |
| matjazp | it must be something that need to be done on the infra sideđ | 17:42 |
| ianychoi | However, it seems that launchpad does not recognize that the commit message was updated .. | 17:42 |
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| matjazp | I'll look into it | 17:42 |
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| ianychoi | Okay, thanks. Actually I thought https://review.openstack.org/#/c/256149/ solved it.. but it was not T.T | 17:44 |
| matjazp | no, this is just for reporting | 17:44 |
| ianychoi | I see.. | 17:44 |
| ianychoi | Thanks a lot! | 17:45 |
| matjazp | should we wrap it for tonight? is there anything else? | 17:46 |
| ianychoi | No more from me. | 17:46 |
| ianychoi | Let's wrap it up. Thank you! | 17:46 |
| matjazp | ok, thanks for your time, ianychoi | 17:46 |
| ianychoi | Thanks so much, matjazp ! | 17:46 |
| matjazp | take care, bye | 17:46 |
| ianychoi | See you :) | 17:46 |
| matjazp | #endmeeting | 17:46 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 18 17:46:56 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2016/training_guides.2016-01-18-17.03.html | 17:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2016/training_guides.2016-01-18-17.03.txt | 17:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2016/training_guides.2016-01-18-17.03.log.html | 17:47 |
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| adam_g | #startmeeting astara | 18:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'astara' | 18:01 |
| adam_g | o/ | 18:01 |
| adam_g | most of the US team is out today for a holiday, but thought i'd call the meeting anyway to see if anyone else had something to address | 18:02 |
| leonstack | e...few people~ | 18:02 |
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| elo | here | 18:03 |
| adam_g | hiya leonstack | 18:03 |
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| leonstack | mmm...how about a bp of mime #links https://blueprints.launchpad.net/astara/+spec/schedule-instances | 18:04 |
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| adam_g | #topic mitaka development | 18:05 |
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| adam_g | #linkhttps://blueprints.launchpad.net/astara/+spec/schedule-instances | 18:05 |
| adam_g | derp | 18:05 |
| adam_g | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/astara/+spec/schedule-instances | 18:05 |
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| leonstack | I'm not sure application-ha has already done that | 18:05 |
| adam_g | leonstack, so this blueprint targets changing th behavior of the pez instance provider to use more intelligent scheduling? | 18:05 |
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| leonstack | mmm..nor only pe | 18:06 |
| leonstack | pez | 18:06 |
| leonstack | sorry | 18:06 |
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| leonstack | also daemon provider | 18:06 |
| leonstack | just for high available | 18:07 |
| adam_g | dah | 18:07 |
| leonstack | if a computer node is down, it can make sure the network function can work well | 18:07 |
| adam_g | the HA work will eventually use anti_affinity for the HA pairs themselves | 18:08 |
| adam_g | that is, using hte on demand instance provider the pairs will be booted with those parameters | 18:08 |
| adam_g | for pre-provisioned nodes, we'd want them to be scheduled that way first, so yeah--i think it'd be a good addition there, too | 18:08 |
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| leonstack | OK...thanks~ | 18:10 |
| adam_g | so im trying to keep this brief, dont want to spend too much going over work that people not present are working on. | 18:11 |
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| adam_g | anyone else have any other mitaka BPs they'd like to call attention to? | 18:11 |
| adam_g | #topic bugs | 18:12 |
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| elo | a couple of bugs created this weekend | 18:13 |
| adam_g | so it looks like we're making good + quick progress on bugs as they get filed, but we're lagging on actually landing the patches. any help with review backlog would be appreciated | 18:13 |
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| elo | related to hardcode IP address | 18:13 |
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| adam_g | elo, right i briefly saw that | 18:14 |
| adam_g | unfortunately liberty and prior make all kinds of assumptions and use hard-coded addresses and networks all over the place | 18:14 |
| adam_g | we've started to fix a lot of that in M and will require back porting to liberty as we get those fixes landed | 18:14 |
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| adam_g | #action adam_g to get all M2 bugs targeted | 18:15 |
| elo | ok. cool. this would help out a couple of deployments | 18:15 |
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| adam_g | anyone else have anything critical they've hit in the last week that they want to bring up? | 18:16 |
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| elo | not at the moment | 18:17 |
| leonstack | me too | 18:17 |
| adam_g | #topic open discussion | 18:17 |
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| leonstack | how about the application-ha going for now ? | 18:18 |
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| adam_g | leonstack, its going, a bit slow because of everything else going on | 18:18 |
| adam_g | but ive started to refactor the instance_manager to account for multiple instances, which is the first start | 18:19 |
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| leonstack | thanks ,I got it :) | 18:19 |
| adam_g | one thing i forgot to bring up earlier in the meeting is that this week is the mitaka-2 milestone. any help getting patches reviewed and landed would be greatly appreciated | 18:19 |
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| adam_g | leonstack, my plan is to have a first set of patches that make the instance manager capabale of multiple instances, and have the default essentially be a cluster of 1. then work on the neutron side to allow creation of HA things with no l3 agents running, then work toward getting the VRRP address failover going | 18:20 |
| adam_g | theres some assumptions on the neutron side that forces HA routing to require a miniumu of 2 neutron L3 agents running.. in our case we run 0, so we need to get creative on the astara-neutron side | 18:21 |
| adam_g | anything else from anyone? | 18:22 |
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| adam_g | ok well ill call it there. thanks everyone | 18:23 |
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| adam_g | #endmeeting | 18:23 |
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| HeidiJoy | Greetings, User Committee team. | 19:02 |
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| rolandchan | Hello everyone | 19:03 |
| HeidiJoy | Hi Roland! | 19:03 |
| shamail | Hi all! | 19:03 |
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| * shamail seeing if any user committee members are online | 19:03 | |
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| shamail | Hi ShillaSaebi | 19:04 |
| ShillaSaebi | hello shamail | 19:04 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #startmeeting UC | 19:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 18 19:04:52 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ShillaSaebi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:04 |
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| ShillaSaebi | hi everyone | 19:05 |
| ShillaSaebi | can we do a roll call? | 19:05 |
| shamail | here. | 19:05 |
| rolandchan | I'm here | 19:06 |
| HeidiJoy | Heidi Joy Tretheway here from the foundation. | 19:06 |
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| ShillaSaebi | alright | 19:06 |
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| lsell | I'm here as well :) | 19:06 |
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| ShillaSaebi | Hello all | 19:07 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok lets go ahead and get started | 19:07 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic UC meeting schedule | 19:07 |
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| ShillaSaebi | There is a proposal to switch to the UC meetings to biweekly (from monthly) & have alternating times with 1 being APAC friendly | 19:08 |
| ShillaSaebi | A doodle was sent out for this but I am not sure if anything was finalized | 19:08 |
| ShillaSaebi | rolandchan can you provide any updates on that? | 19:08 |
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| rolandchan | We had a clear leader on which time was acceptable. I think 1pm Wednesdays Australian time | 19:09 |
| rolandchan | I can add that to the wiki pagea | 19:09 |
| shamail | Thanks, I'll update the eavesdrop setting. | 19:09 |
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| ShillaSaebi | awesome that would be gerat | 19:10 |
| rolandchan | And obviously I'm happy run that meeting as needed. | 19:10 |
| shamail | I'll also update the link to past meetings since we use "UC" as meeting title. | 19:10 |
| ShillaSaebi | great* | 19:10 |
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| rolandchan | I'll send an email to the list to confirm the time and schedule | 19:10 |
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| rolandchan | That's about it. | 19:11 |
| ShillaSaebi | #action rolandchan to add 1pm Wed Australian time to wiki page for meetings | 19:11 |
| ShillaSaebi | #action shamail to update link to past meetings | 19:11 |
| ShillaSaebi | cool thanks | 19:11 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic Next steps for Survey analysis (cuts against NP score) | 19:12 |
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| ShillaSaebi | i dont have much information on this particular topic | 19:14 |
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| ShillaSaebi | can anyone fill in for this topic | 19:14 |
| rolandchan | I found the results that were potentially significant interesting (the types of packages that were not perceived well) | 19:15 |
| HeidiJoy | I worked with the data scientist to do additional analysis based on the committee's request last month. Provided content to the committee. | 19:16 |
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| rolandchan | I'm not sure we can dig into the next level of detail without causing some issues around confidentiality | 19:17 |
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| HeidiJoy | I think the main things we learned were (a) the v2 numbers were not originally analyzed in a consistent manner to the v3 numbers, so when we went back to apply consistent standards to both, the NPS variances were much smaller. | 19:19 |
| HeidiJoy | (b) We found that when we applied various filters, there were not substantial variations in NPS, excepting the vendor note Roland mentioned. | 19:20 |
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| ShillaSaebi | ok | 19:21 |
| ShillaSaebi | and we discussed a survey wg as well right? | 19:22 |
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| HeidiJoy | Yes, we hope to have a Survey WG to take some of the burden off the UC for things like comment analysis. | 19:23 |
| ShillaSaebi | awesome | 19:24 |
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| ShillaSaebi | cool so do we need to assign any action items for getting the survey WG together? | 19:25 |
| ShillaSaebi | how soon do we want to have this group formed? | 19:25 |
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| lsell | We would want to have this group formed mid-to-late February | 19:26 |
| lsell | Because the majority of analysis will happen in March | 19:26 |
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| lsell | Perhaps we should throw it out on the mailing list again? We haven't gotten may people raise their hands to date :) | 19:26 |
| rockyg | Definitely out to the ML again. | 19:27 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok | 19:27 |
| shamail | Is this group A) NDA only B) Non-vendor only C) Some other requirement for participation? | 19:27 |
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| ShillaSaebi | NDA should probably be required | 19:28 |
| shamail | +1 | 19:28 |
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| lsell | yes confidentiality agreement, but i don't think vendors excluded for this working group | 19:29 |
| ShillaSaebi | yes i agree | 19:29 |
| shamail | Thanks ShillaSaebi and lsell... I'll look out for info on the ML and volunteer at that time. | 19:29 |
| ShillaSaebi | cool | 19:29 |
| ShillaSaebi | so how large will the group be | 19:29 |
| ShillaSaebi | does it matter | 19:29 |
| ShillaSaebi | or volunteers who sign the NDA agreement will be part of the group? | 19:30 |
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| HeidiJoy | I think the group can be manageable at 6 or fewer. | 19:31 |
| ShillaSaebi | ok so lets do a call for volunteers and start the process | 19:32 |
| shamail | I was thinking 10 but 6 is good too.. | 19:32 |
| HeidiJoy | Thank you! | 19:32 |
| ShillaSaebi | maybe add a sign up area on our wiki | 19:32 |
| shamail | Small is good to start with... lots of fast iteration needed in the beginning | 19:32 |
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| ShillaSaebi | #action ShillaSaebi to send an email to the user ml to look for survey WG | 19:32 |
| HeidiJoy | If we have more than 6 volunteers, I'd be happy to see that. The key is having people who follow through on their promises (e.g. to return comments in a timely manner) | 19:32 |
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| ShillaSaebi | agreed | 19:33 |
| shamail | HeidiJoy: +1 | 19:33 |
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| ShillaSaebi | alright awesome anything else on this topic? | 19:33 |
| shamail | I'll look out for the wiki update and jump on the opportunity :-) | 19:33 |
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| ShillaSaebi | thanks shamail | 19:33 |
| ShillaSaebi | alright moving on to the next topic | 19:34 |
| ShillaSaebi | #topic review UC survey items for discussion | 19:34 |
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| HeidiJoy | I have 3 questions for the group: | 19:34 |
| ShillaSaebi | HeidiJoy I will let you run with this topic | 19:34 |
| ShillaSaebi | sure | 19:34 |
| HeidiJoy | Thank you! First question, regarding the User Roles: Recommendation: What are the ways you work with OpenStack? Existing options: (57%) Cloud operator or sys-admin, (33%) OpenStack upstream developer, (32%) App developer-deployer, (21%) Other. Recommend adding categories: "Cloud architect," "Consultant/Training" and "Sales/Marketing" to better quantify the "other" responses. At a minimum, definitely add "cloud architect" a | 19:35 |
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| rolandchan | All three additional responses would probably get some activity | 19:36 |
| shamail | agreed | 19:36 |
| shamail | I like the proposal to add "Cloud Architect" and "Sales"... since it opens a new role for presenters/content to target. | 19:37 |
| lsell | would we want sales/marketing to respond to the survey? | 19:37 |
| rockyg | HeidiJoy, have you seen Pieter's personae? | 19:37 |
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| shamail | I think they probably already are but doing it as "other" | 19:37 |
| ShillaSaebi | yeah probably | 19:37 |
| shamail | having the category would let us get better insight as to their view | 19:37 |
| ShillaSaebi | i'm not opposed to adding those categories | 19:37 |
| ShillaSaebi | it's more targeted and that's good | 19:37 |
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| rockyg | ++ | 19:38 |
| shamail | Should app developer/deployer be one role? | 19:38 |
| rockyg | you also might consider "user" as an option. | 19:38 |
| HeidiJoy | I chose the 3 additional based on the highest number of responses in the "other" open field. | 19:38 |
| shamail | App developer and app deployer could be the same but can also be different people. | 19:39 |
| shamail | Not sure though if breaking them out would provide additional insight or not... | 19:39 |
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| HeidiJoy | @Rockyg I'm open to using other categories, but my main driver is being able to quantify answers rather than wade through a pile of "other" responses.. | 19:40 |
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| HeidiJoy | We had ~400 "app developer/deployer" responses to the last survey and I'd be generally opposed to breaking them out because it would break our survey logic that surfaces the app dev section of the survey. | 19:41 |
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| rockyg | So, with public clouds, and some other self-service clouds, there can be lots of people who think they are just users because they choose what the need from the catalog, and run with it. | 19:41 |
| rockyg | Not a big area for OpenStack so far, but growing... | 19:42 |
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| shamail | Thanks for the response HeidiJoy | 19:42 |
| HeidiJoy | Second question, regarding industry: last survey 64% of users reported being in the IT industry. HT Recommendation: create an additional defined-answer question set (multiple choice, with an "other" option) for their specific IT industry segment. The IT dropdown options could be some of the following: Web hosting/services, cloud hosting/support, public cloud, software vendor, data center/storage, professional services, tra | 19:42 |
| HeidiJoy | system admin & integration, OpenStack distribution, networking equipment & software, mobile, IT services, infrastructure/ IaaS, security, data visualization/analytics. I would request one volunteer to nail down this list, then we'd email to the UC for approval by 1/20. | 19:43 |
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| rockyg | don't forget scientific! | 19:44 |
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| rolandchan | I can't hit that date unfortunately but otherwise would like to do that | 19:46 |
| shamail | That's a good starting list... I can help with that HeidiJoy. | 19:46 |
| shamail | Can you put it into an etherpad or email? | 19:46 |
| HeidiJoy | Will do, and thank you! | 19:46 |
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| rockyg | ++ | 19:46 |
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| shamail | Thanks | 19:47 |
| HeidiJoy | OK, then, on to Q3: Recommend the committee review/revise the answer options for "Which new/emerging technologies are you interested in using or seeing interated with OpenStack?" Current answers are: Containers, NFV, PaaS, IoT. Suggested additional answer could include those on page 14 of the report, such as DBaaS, Bare metal, SDN, VPC | 19:47 |
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| rockyg | microservices... | 19:49 |
| rolandchan | The list could get rather long :) | 19:49 |
| rockyg | oh yeah ;) | 19:49 |
| ShillaSaebi | HeidiJoy do we have "other" listed currently with a fill out field for additional info? | 19:50 |
| HeidiJoy | Yes - that's where I got the suggestions for other items. | 19:50 |
| ShillaSaebi | oh cool ok | 19:50 |
| ShillaSaebi | the list could definitely get long | 19:51 |
| HeidiJoy | Here are the items survey-takers proposed as "other": • ARM-based virtualization • Bare metal • CI systems • Cloud federation • DBaaS (Trove) • Desktop as a service • Integrated HA / improved VM migration • Real-time data processing & Apache Zeppelin • SDN (OpenDaylight) • Standard/proprietary APIs • VPC • Windows Nano-Server | 19:51 |
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| HeidiJoy | I'm hoping the UC can decide on (1) should we pull anything from our existing list? e.g. Are containers no longer emerging, but a mature technology? | 19:51 |
| HeidiJoy | (2) Should we add anything to the list? | 19:52 |
| shamail | I think this list should be reduced and other should be used to capture the bulk of the data. I would suggest high-level trends such as NFV, PaaS, Container Orchestration, DC Resource Pooling, etc. | 19:52 |
| shamail | The other technologies are generally enablers or part of a bigger solution related to the higher-level desired end-state | 19:52 |
| rockyg | how about we add "Baby Birthing" and see if anyone selects it? | 19:52 |
| rolandchan | I don't think there is anything on the list we would regard as not emerging. | 19:52 |
| HeidiJoy | Agree, I am not recommending we would include all of the things on this list. I would hope the UC would direct me to add one or two things from that list to the existing question set. | 19:52 |
| shamail | agreed rolandchan | 19:52 |
| HeidiJoy | OK, thanks for answering Q1 Roland. | 19:53 |
| shamail | I do think that some are identifying larger trends/direction while others would be used in multiple trends/directoins (as a part of the stack) | 19:53 |
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| rockyg | The improved "x" is probably not needed. It should be covered in other parts. | 19:53 |
| HeidiJoy | +1 ^ | 19:54 |
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| shamail | PaaS, Cloud Federation, Microservice Architectures, NFV, and Specialized Computing would be my suggestions | 19:54 |
| ShillaSaebi | that makes sense | 19:55 |
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| ShillaSaebi | im good with that. Do we want to run this by Jonathan and Subbu as well? | 19:55 |
| shamail | Specialized computing is referring to GPU, NIBS, etc. | 19:55 |
| rockyg | You could use things like SDN and others as examples under the bigger trends (SDN under NFV) | 19:55 |
| shamail | NUMA sorry | 19:55 |
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| HeidiJoy | One last Q before time is up: 31H2016 Timeline 21H2016 Survey Changes 42015 Deployment Q4: We ask people to define what stage their deployment is in (production, QA/testing, POC). Additionally, we asked for a specific project, whether that was in use in production, testing, or merely "interested." Question to the UC: Should we discontinue the practice of defining a deployment stage on a per-project basis? I | 19:56 |
| HeidiJoy | Sorry, my cut/paste malfunctioned... | 19:57 |
| HeidiJoy | Q4: We ask people to define what stage their deployment is in (production, QA/testing, POC). Additionally, we asked for a specific project, whether that was in use in production, testing, or merely "interested." Question to the UC: Should we discontinue the practice of defining a deployment stage on a per-project basis? I | 19:57 |
| HeidiJoy | If yes, the result would be that users are asked if they are "using" a project, but will not be asked to define whether that project is in full production or just in testing phase. | 19:57 |
| rockyg | Interested might be better as Investigating | 19:57 |
| shamail | I like the per-project phase, especially since it can help feed that data into the project navigator | 19:58 |
| rockyg | ++ | 19:58 |
| shamail | I think people consideration adoption would be interested in that data. | 19:58 |
| rolandchan | I think the per project status is interesting if its being used. | 19:58 |
| shamail | considering* | 19:58 |
| HeidiJoy | It caused us an alarming amount of headaches in data processing and survey logic, FWIW. | 19:58 |
| shamail | I'm off my IRC game today. | 19:58 |
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| ShillaSaebi | just a quick time check - we have a minute | 19:58 |
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| shamail | Example: https://www.openstack.org/software/releases/liberty/components/cinder | 19:59 |
| shamail | The "adoption" percentage only factors in production users | 19:59 |
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| shamail | Without the classification of production this might show a different result... | 20:00 |
| shamail | Should we first see the impact of this change on the project navigator using a few sample projects before deciding? | 20:00 |
| ShillaSaebi | we can do that | 20:00 |
| ShillaSaebi | we are at time t | 20:00 |
| HeidiJoy | Thanks all for your feedback! | 20:00 |
| ShillaSaebi | anyway we can take this conversation to an email thread | 20:00 |
| shamail | +1 | 20:00 |
| HeidiJoy | +1 | 20:00 |
| ShillaSaebi | alright lets move it to a thread and continue there | 20:01 |
| rockyg | +1 | 20:01 |
| ShillaSaebi | thanks everyoen for joining! | 20:01 |
| ShillaSaebi | #endmeeting | 20:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 18 20:01:23 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/uc/2016/uc.2016-01-18-19.04.html | 20:01 |
| rolandchan | Bye everyone. | 20:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/uc/2016/uc.2016-01-18-19.04.txt | 20:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/uc/2016/uc.2016-01-18-19.04.log.html | 20:01 |
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| armax | hello | 20:58 |
| armax | anyone outta there? | 20:58 |
| kevinbenton | Yeah | 20:58 |
| dougwig | sorta | 20:58 |
| rossella_s | hi | 20:58 |
| armax | kevinbenton, dougwig, rossella_s hi | 20:58 |
| pcarver | I'll admit to being here, but not to having time to pay attention | 20:59 |
| hichihara | hi | 20:59 |
| annp | Hi | 20:59 |
| armax | mestery, carl_baldwin, regXboi, ihrachys ajo hichihara pcarver annp hi | 20:59 |
| ihrachys | o/ | 20:59 |
| carl_baldwin | armax: hi | 20:59 |
| blogan | hi | 20:59 |
| mestery | o/ | 20:59 |
| * ihrachys is happy to up his participation stats with a silly comment! | 20:59 | |
| armax | one minute to the first meeting of the year | 20:59 |
| jckasper | hi | 20:59 |
| amotoki | hi | 20:59 |
| mestery | armax: Thanks for waking me up. | 21:00 |
| ihrachys | ah it hasn't started :( | 21:00 |
| ZZelle_ | Hello | 21:00 |
| armax | I am excited as a teenager to the prom | 21:00 |
| kevinbenton | Have to wait for it to start for the stats to count | 21:00 |
| -amotoki- succeeds to get up | 21:00 | |
| mestery | And I mean that, trully | 21:00 |
| rtheis | hi | 21:00 |
| armax | #startmeeting networking | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 18 21:00:19 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is armax. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 21:00 |
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| dougwig | lots of folks for a holiday. | 21:00 |
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| mhickey | Hi | 21:00 |
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| kevinbenton | Holiday for lots of folks | 21:00 |
| armax | for whom made it, thanks for joining! | 21:00 |
| emagana | hello all! | 21:00 |
| regXboi | ola | 21:01 |
| mestery | Holidays are for people who take time off dougwig. | 21:01 |
| ihrachys | night for some too! | 21:01 |
| rossella_s | night but not holiday | 21:01 |
| * carl_baldwin likes holidays | 21:01 | |
| armax | holidays, nights and time off is overrated :) | 21:01 |
| emagana | you have a good quorum armax | 21:01 |
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| mestery | armax: Spoken like a true workaholic! | 21:01 |
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| armax | I suppose | 21:01 |
| armax | ok, let’s dive in | 21:01 |
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| armax | we’ll see if we can keep this small | 21:02 |
| armax | short | 21:02 |
| armax | I mean | 21:02 |
| armax | the agenda for today: | 21:02 |
| armax | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings | 21:02 |
| mestery | small AND short | 21:02 |
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| armax | #topic Announcements | 21:02 |
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| armax | this week is milestone week | 21:02 |
| armax | mestery has already a patch up | 21:02 |
| armax | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269265/ | 21:02 |
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| mestery | I'm stealthy AND fast | 21:03 |
| kencjohnston | o/ | 21:03 |
| armax | I think we’re gonna aggressively release as soon as we can confirm that all projects are sane | 21:03 |
| mestery | How many BPs do we have for M2 armax? | 21:03 |
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| armax | meaning that their gate CI is green | 21:03 |
| mestery | I mean, that finished? | 21:03 |
| armax | #link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/mitaka-2 | 21:03 |
| armax | 28 bps, and 71 bugs | 21:03 |
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| mestery | thanks | 21:03 |
| armax | 3 blueprints implemented so far | 21:04 |
| armax | for whom of you has its neutron work affected by nova | 21:04 |
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| Sukhdev | hello - sorry a bit late | 21:04 |
| armax | next week the nova team meets in Bristol, UK | 21:04 |
| armax | the etherpad to the mid-cycle | 21:04 |
| armax | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-midcycle | 21:04 |
| armax | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-midcycle | 21:05 |
| armax | if you have something that you would like to bring to the attention or raise awareness, please reach out to me | 21:05 |
| armax | next one | 21:05 |
| dougwig | anyone from neutron going to the nova midcycle? i'm got a conflict. | 21:05 |
| Sukhdev | armax: any plans for Neutron mid-cycle? | 21:05 |
| armax | dougwig: carl_baldwin and armax re | 21:05 |
| armax | are | 21:05 |
| armax | Sukhdev: you beat me to it | 21:05 |
| armax | if you guys recall we decided to call the Neutron mid-cycle off during the early part of the cycle | 21:06 |
| armax | dougwig and a few others are looking into the logistics for a mid-cycle closer to the end of the cycle | 21:06 |
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| armax | right now we’re looking at the last week of Feb | 21:06 |
| armax | somewhere on the east cose | 21:06 |
| mestery | So it's not really a mid-cycle then ... | 21:06 |
| armax | cost | 21:06 |
| armax | coast | 21:06 |
| dougwig | mestery: pedant. | 21:06 |
| kevinbenton | FLAHRIDA | 21:06 |
| armax | mestery: call it whatever you fancy | 21:06 |
| armax | :) | 21:07 |
| mestery | OK: "Beers with friends" | 21:07 |
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| anteaya | can it be first week of march? | 21:07 |
| anteaya | last week of feb is infra | 21:07 |
| kevinbenton | I'm allowed to invite my friends? | 21:07 |
| mestery | kevinbenton: Wait, you're coming? | 21:07 |
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| armax | I suppose the east coast is relatively easier to get to from both sides of the pond | 21:07 |
| mestery | anteaya: It can't | 21:07 |
| mestery | LAst week of feb | 21:07 |
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| armax | we’ll sort things out | 21:08 |
| Sukhdev | kevinbenton : can I be your friend? | 21:08 |
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| kevinbenton | i charge by the hour :) | 21:08 |
| armax | since your attendance may be determined on the topics of the meetup | 21:08 |
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| armax | watch out for a mail that I’ll send later today | 21:08 |
| Sukhdev | kevinbenton : I pay in Indian Rupees :-) | 21:08 |
| kevinbenton | are there any main topics in mind yet? | 21:09 |
| sc68cal | armax: just be aware that the QA midcycle is near end of feb - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/QA/CodeSprintMitakaBoston | 21:09 |
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| armax | sc68cal: thanks for the heads-up | 21:09 |
| kevinbenton | or will it just be whatever blueprints are outstanding? | 21:09 |
| anteaya | sc68cal: yeah it is the same week as infra | 21:09 |
| regXboi | boston @ the end of february - that doesn't sound like good planning | 21:09 |
| mestery | rofl | 21:09 |
| armax | kevinbenton: I’ll follow up on the ML | 21:09 |
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| sc68cal | regXboi: winter is coming john snow | 21:10 |
| armax | next one | 21:10 |
| armax | #topic blueprints | 21:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "blueprints (Meeting topic: networking)" | 21:10 | |
| armax | #link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/mitaka-2 | 21:10 |
| armax | existing assignements for mitaka | 21:10 |
| armax | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/mitaka/+assignments | 21:10 |
| armax | if you are an assignee or approver for a blueprint please work together to update the BP whiteboard | 21:11 |
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| armax | if your work doesn’t have substantial code/documentation in place, most likely it will fall off Mitaka | 21:11 |
| armax | as for RFE’s, we’ll go through a similiar diet exercise | 21:11 |
| armax | after M2 is cut | 21:11 |
| armax | the next meeting we’ll go over the list to see what can be spared by the slaugther | 21:12 |
| * sc68cal has already moved fwaas v2 out of mitaka | 21:12 | |
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| armax | sc68cal: you ruin all the fun | 21:12 |
| armax | sc68cal: thanks for letting me know | 21:13 |
| armax | I need to document the steps to make deferred BPs show in this dashboard | 21:14 |
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| armax | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron | 21:14 |
| armax | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron | 21:14 |
| dasm | o/ | 21:14 |
| armax | the appropriate way | 21:14 |
| armax | as for the folks involved in the existing backlog, I’ll try to reach out offline if I have questions/doubts | 21:15 |
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| armax | I would be ethernally grateful if you drop a note on the whiteboard/report page of the RFE/BP you’re assigned to in whichever capacity | 21:15 |
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| armax | ok the prolonged silence is my cue for the next section | 21:17 |
| armax | #topic Bugs | 21:18 |
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| armax | so far it looks we fixed nearly 50% of the bugs submitted since Mitaka started | 21:19 |
| armax | that’s impressive | 21:19 |
| armax | but this means we have another 50% to go | 21:19 |
| armax | which roughly counts to 300+ bugs | 21:19 |
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| armax | am I alone in this meeting? | 21:20 |
| regXboi | armax: we're all behind you | 21:20 |
| dasm | no :) | 21:20 |
| * mestery grabs popcorn | 21:20 | |
| hichihara | I'm here :) | 21:20 |
| * ihrachysh makes a silly comment for stats | 21:20 | |
| armax | ah, for a second I thought I was speaking to myself | 21:20 |
| dasm | nice job with bugs | 21:20 |
| * mestery gives ihrachysh a gold star | 21:20 | |
| armax | I wasn’t asking for cheerleading, but I take it nonetheless :) | 21:20 |
| armax | since we’re getting closer to the end of the release | 21:21 |
| armax | I would encourage people to be conscious of the state of the gate when pushing stuff into the merge queue | 21:21 |
| mestery | I'll amend that to: I'd encourage people to generally always be conscious of the state of the gate | 21:22 |
| armax | so give priority to targeted stuff, unless the gate is relatively clear or the patch run on a smaller more reliable set of jobs | 21:22 |
| regXboi | mestery: +1000 | 21:22 |
| armax | mestery: ++ | 21:22 |
| mestery | But I get your point armax, sorry for the distraction | 21:22 |
| hichihara | mestery: ++ | 21:22 |
| amuller | A great tool to be aware of the state of the gate is: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/neutron/dashboards/check.dashboard.html | 21:23 |
| armax | we had a few setbacks during the past weeks | 21:23 |
| armax | with the gate being broken, hopefully it’ll be better in the future | 21:23 |
| kevinbenton | not setbacks, fire drills | 21:23 |
| armax | amuller: ++ | 21:23 |
| armax | and | 21:23 |
| armax | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/neutron/dashboards/gate.dashboard.html | 21:23 |
| ihrachysh | better? you gotta be kiddin | 21:23 |
| armax | ihrachysh: ok | 21:23 |
| amuller | For example you can clearly see that the multinode regular and DVR jobs are broken ATM | 21:24 |
| armax | we’re doomed and it’s gonan be worse from now on | 21:24 |
| armax | ihrachysh: better? | 21:24 |
| armax | amuller: we’re way ahead of you :) | 21:24 |
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| amuller | armax: that's to be expected | 21:24 |
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| ihrachysh | armax: now I hear an engineer speaking | 21:24 |
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| ihrachysh | amuller: re multinode seems like failures are gate timeouts, could be just an issue of long bootstrap | 21:25 |
| armax | amuller: but yeah I hope someone is on top of the recent failures, I know regXboi has been briefly looking into it? | 21:25 |
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| armax | luckily the dvr issue is not affecting the gate queue | 21:25 |
| dougwig | at some point we should address that our baseline for a "good" gate is ~12% failure rate. that shaky foundation doesn't help any of the jobs built on top of that base. | 21:25 |
| regXboi | I went and looked at the recent failures that I could find in jenkins and ihrachysh is correct - most of them are timeouts of the job itself | 21:25 |
| mestery | dougwig: You're a prophet sent from the future! | 21:26 |
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| armax | dougwig: 0% | 21:26 |
| armax | if I look at | 21:27 |
| armax | #link http://status.openstack.org/openstack-health | 21:27 |
| dougwig | what caused the timeout? a bug we should file against infra? | 21:27 |
| armax | we’re 97% pass rate | 21:27 |
| regXboi | I am wondering if we've added enough tests that we are blowing the top of the runtime limit | 21:27 |
| armax | on the gate queue | 21:27 |
| amuller | dougwig: that's for the check queue I think. If you look at the gate queue it's normally 0%, and you can also look at openstack-health which armax just linked, it also shows near 0% on the gate queue | 21:27 |
| ihrachysh | speaking of multinode gate, we have some MTU related patches to push for that should fix some issues with ssh connection checks in gate: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:multinode-neutron-mtu | 21:27 |
| armax | so I’d say 100% pass rate with +/- 3%? :P | 21:27 |
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| sc68cal | right - and due to it being MTU, that chews up a ton of retry time | 21:27 |
| ihrachysh | regXboi: someone should walk thru logs and check when tests are started and how it's compared to regular runs | 21:27 |
| sc68cal | takes 5 minutes before SSH gives up and disconnects | 21:28 |
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| regXboi | ihrachysh: I might be able to spend some time tomorrow attempting that | 21:28 |
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| ihrachysh | regXboi: keep me informed | 21:28 |
| dougwig | 3% is great. | 21:28 |
| armax | btw the linuxbridge job on the gate is a bit flaky recently | 21:28 |
| armax | I wonder if sc68cal had a glimpse into that | 21:28 |
| regXboi | #action regXboi to look at jenkins logs to compare run times of multinode tests | 21:28 |
| sc68cal | one thing to also remember, I think mtreinish mentioned that openstack-health only tracks failures where it gets to running the tests. Doesn't track failures early in the setup | 21:28 |
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| armax | sc68cal: I think so | 21:29 |
| amuller | openstack-health runs code that inserts the test results in to a mysql DB at the end of the run, the run has to complete | 21:29 |
| kevinbenton | sc68cal: that's what we want. unless neutron causes setup failures | 21:29 |
| anteaya | sc68cal: that is my understanding also | 21:29 |
| armax | before we move on from bugs | 21:30 |
| armax | anyone willing to be deputy for this week and the weeks coming next? | 21:30 |
| armax | we’re exposed right now | 21:30 |
| sc68cal | so, the openstack-health % is a datapoint, but not the full picture. I think regXboi 's graphite queries measure the bigger picture | 21:30 |
| armax | !!! | 21:30 |
| openstack | armax: Error: "!!" is not a valid command. | 21:30 |
| armax | oops | 21:30 |
| regXboi | sc68cal: actually, the graphite is the overall, openstack-health should eventually get us to a better drill down | 21:30 |
| regXboi | at least once it includes the check pipelines | 21:31 |
| * ihrachysh will need to skip the bug duty for the next three weeks but is happy to get on board after | 21:31 | |
| armax | I can have a go this week | 21:31 |
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| armax | mlavalle you interested? | 21:31 |
| anteaya | regXboi: I don't know if openstack-health ever will include check | 21:31 |
| armax | anyone else? | 21:32 |
| armax | sc68cal: ? | 21:32 |
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| amuller | anteaya: any ideas if it will include stats for non-tempest jobs, like the neutron functional job? | 21:32 |
| mlavalle | armax: Next week I can | 21:32 |
| armax | ook | 21:32 |
| armax | cool | 21:32 |
| ZZelle_ | i can this week | 21:32 |
| armax | #action mlavalle deputy for the week of 25th | 21:32 |
| armax | ZZelle_: sweet | 21:32 |
| regXboi | anteaya: I'm negotiating on that one :) | 21:32 |
| armax | #action ZZelle_ deputy for week of 18th | 21:33 |
| anteaya | amuller: I don't believe that is the goal of this tool | 21:33 |
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| anteaya | I believe it was created to be a gate health tool | 21:33 |
| anteaya | sorry to derail | 21:34 |
| armax | anteaya: yeah, I was about to tell you off :P | 21:34 |
| * armax kids | 21:34 | |
| anteaya | :) | 21:34 |
| amuller | I'll talk to mtreinish offline | 21:34 |
| armax | ok, anything else on this section? Anything burning that we should be aware of and we aren’t? | 21:34 |
| dougwig | sc68cal: so what is our false failure rate, then? | 21:34 |
| regXboi | anteaya: again, I'm still negotiating that one | 21:34 |
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| * regXboi now goes and looks for the re-railer | 21:35 | |
| sc68cal | dougwig: haven't checked lately | 21:35 |
| armax | next one | 21:36 |
| armax | #topic Docs | 21:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Docs (Meeting topic: networking)" | 21:36 | |
| regXboi | mmm docs | 21:36 |
| armax | emagana I know that Sam-I-Am is not around | 21:36 |
| emagana | I was hoping he was | 21:36 |
| armax | he mentioned | 21:36 |
| armax | that The networking guide now publishes stable releases rather than continuously so people using an older version of OpenStack can find information relevant to it. | 21:36 |
| emagana | He had some points to discuss | 21:36 |
| emagana | armax: indeed, that is completed | 21:36 |
| armax | he’ll be updating the networking guide scenarios for Liberty. Once those are done, I think he’ll split time between populating the intro content and updates for Mitaka. | 21:37 |
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| emagana | armax: that is correct | 21:37 |
| armax | well, kudos to him :) | 21:37 |
| amotoki | now we have http://docs.openstack.org/liberty/networking-guide/ (liberty version) from the top page of docs.o.o :) | 21:37 |
| emagana | we dont want to create confusion about scenarios but also we dont want to create more very similar ones | 21:37 |
| armax | I personally have this review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/253229/ | 21:37 |
| armax | sitting for ever in the queue | 21:37 |
| emagana | armax: I will take care of it | 21:38 |
| armax | this should help us to tag the automatic doc bugs in LP | 21:38 |
| armax | emagana that’s not a documentation patch | 21:38 |
| emagana | armax: sounds good | 21:38 |
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| emagana | armax: oh got it.. will review anyway | 21:39 |
| armax | amotoki: so I assume that we don’t publish trunk changes at all do we? | 21:39 |
| armax | emagana: sure, thanks | 21:39 |
| amotoki | armax: I think so too | 21:39 |
| emagana | armax: we do.. | 21:39 |
| armax | ok | 21:39 |
| emagana | we pu have both Liberty and current | 21:39 |
| emagana | s/pu/do | 21:40 |
| emagana | Sam-I-Am wanted to discuss about the ability to attach VMs directly to public/external networks | 21:41 |
| emagana | but I do not have all the context what we wanted to review with you all. We have a networking guide meeting this Thursday. I will review it with him and the rest of the folks attending the meeting | 21:41 |
| kevinbenton | emagana: what about it? it should work fine if people aren't using that stupid 'external_network_bridge' option in the l3 agent | 21:41 |
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| emagana | kevinbenton: maybe as simple as a good explanation of how to use it | 21:42 |
| sc68cal | I think the issue is dhcp | 21:42 |
| kevinbenton | an external network can either be a 'real' network that is wired by the L2 agent | 21:42 |
| emagana | kevinbenton: indeed, that is the way we use it.. | 21:42 |
| kevinbenton | in which case everything works completely fine (even dhcp agents can bind to it if you have dhcp enabled) | 21:42 |
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| kevinbenton | or you use the 'external_network_bridge' on the l3 agent, and it's completely out of reach by everything but the l3 agent | 21:43 |
| sc68cal | The only issue is developer envs - most likely they already have a DHCP service running | 21:43 |
| kevinbenton | sc68cal: yes, from a developer workflow they would need to have dhcp disabled | 21:44 |
| kevinbenton | or hope dnsmasq is faster :) | 21:44 |
| sc68cal | :) | 21:44 |
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| kevinbenton | emagana: you can loop me into that conversation later | 21:44 |
| armax | ok | 21:44 |
| armax | shall we wrap it up? | 21:44 |
| emagana | kevinbenton: I will do that | 21:44 |
| amotoki | correction. we have trunk (Mitaka) version of networking-guide under /draft/ now. http://docs.openstack.org/draft/networking-guide/ | 21:44 |
| * regXboi goes and looks for the bow ?!?! | 21:44 | |
| emagana | amotoki: thanks for the link. That is that I thought | 21:45 |
| armax | amotoki: thanks for the link | 21:45 |
| armax | #link http://docs.openstack.org/draft/networking-guide/ | 21:45 |
| emagana | armax: about the networking schedule, we ran into the same odd/even bi-weekly meetings | 21:45 |
| armax | for tracking master changes to openstack-manuals | 21:45 |
| emagana | but we can figure out that by ML | 21:45 |
| armax | emagana: ok | 21:46 |
| emagana | armax: nothing else but as always extending the invite to help to complete the missing section in the networking guide | 21:46 |
| emagana | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/networking-guide | 21:46 |
| emagana | feel free to grab a section :-) | 21:46 |
| armax | #topic Open Discussion | 21:47 |
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| armax | Swami added a topic on the agenda | 21:47 |
| armax | obondarev might be around | 21:47 |
| armax | but I don’t see Swami | 21:47 |
| armax | having said that, this topic is raised at hte nova mid-cycle | 21:48 |
| armax | or whichever way mestery wants to call it | 21:48 |
| regXboi | friends with beers? | 21:48 |
| mestery | armax: After a few of either, the order doesn't matter. | 21:48 |
| mhickey | mestery: sure does not! :) | 21:48 |
| armax | anyone wants to discuss anything in lieu of that? | 21:49 |
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| armax | if not, we can get 11 minutes of our lives back | 21:49 |
| hichihara | What time is next meeting? | 21:49 |
| armax | and keep breaking the gate, ihrachysh am I right? | 21:49 |
| regXboi | "repent! cried the tick tock man" | 21:49 |
| ihrachysh | as always sir | 21:49 |
| armax | hichihara: same time same place same day | 21:49 |
| amuller | friendly note: The openstack foundation recommended Austin hotels are running out of rooms | 21:49 |
| hichihara | armax: OK. Thanks | 21:49 |
| mestery | amuller: Tahnks for sharing | 21:49 |
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| mlavalle | amuller: thanks for the heads up | 21:50 |
| * mestery senses the rush to the foundation website from those without a room | 21:50 | |
| mhickey | amuller: thanks | 21:50 |
| armax | amuller: good lad | 21:50 |
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| sc68cal | austin shouldn't be too hot. Bring your camping gear | 21:51 |
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| armax | ok, for folks who stayed late, for those which was time off and for those who simply participated thanks for joinin | 21:51 |
| armax | have a blast! | 21:52 |
| armax | #endmeeting | 21:52 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:52 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 18 21:52:04 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:52 |
| sc68cal | cya | 21:52 |
| mhickey | bye | 21:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2016/networking.2016-01-18-21.00.html | 21:52 |
| * mestery aves bye bye | 21:52 | |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2016/networking.2016-01-18-21.00.txt | 21:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2016/networking.2016-01-18-21.00.log.html | 21:52 |
| amuller | toodles | 21:52 |
| dasm | o/ | 21:52 |
| hichihara | bye | 21:52 |
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| dasm | thanks, bye | 21:52 |
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| amotoki | bye | 21:52 |
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| armax | sc68cal: you basterd | 21:52 |
| sc68cal | armax: error SIGTERM | 21:52 |
| armax | sc68cal: :’( | 21:53 |
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| annp_ | Bye | 21:53 |
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| ZZelle_ | bye | 21:55 |
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