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| yamamoto | hi | 07:01 |
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| yamamoto | #startmeeting networking_midonet | 07:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 19 07:05:04 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is yamamoto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 07:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 07:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_midonet)" | 07:05 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_midonet' | 07:05 |
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| yamamoto | it seems i'm alone here. | 07:06 |
| yamamoto | let me make a meeting anyway so that others can look at the log. | 07:06 |
| yamamoto | #topic Announcements | 07:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: networking_midonet)" | 07:06 | |
| yamamoto | 2015.1.4 has been released | 07:07 |
| yamamoto | #link https://pypi.python.org/pypi/networking-midonet/2015.1.4 | 07:07 |
| yamamoto | there were some issues during the process and it ended up with 3 tags | 07:07 |
| yamamoto | 2015.1.2 2015.1.3 2015.1.4 | 07:08 |
| yamamoto | they are mostly same. | 07:08 |
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| yamamoto | icehouse and juno branch are going to be retired | 07:08 |
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| yamamoto | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/networking-midonet/+bug/1535201 | 07:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1535201 in networking-midonet "icehouse and juno branch retirement" [Undecided,New] | 07:09 |
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| yamamoto | #topic Bugs | 07:09 |
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| yamamoto | bug deputy for the week was joe | 07:09 |
| yamamoto | it seems he is not here though. | 07:10 |
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| yamamoto | i volunteer for this week | 07:10 |
| yamamoto | #info yamamoto will be bug deputy of this week | 07:10 |
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| yamamoto | #topic Open Discussion | 07:11 |
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| yamamoto | i guess it's done | 07:12 |
| yamamoto | bye! | 07:12 |
| yamamoto | #endmeeting | 07:12 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 19 07:12:29 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 07:12 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_midonet/2016/networking_midonet.2016-01-19-07.05.html | 07:12 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_midonet/2016/networking_midonet.2016-01-19-07.05.txt | 07:12 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_midonet/2016/networking_midonet.2016-01-19-07.05.log.html | 07:12 |
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| anteaya | #startmeeting third-party | 08:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 19 08:00:42 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 08:00 |
| anteaya | hello | 08:00 |
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| lennyb | hi | 08:00 |
| anteaya | lennyb: how are you today? | 08:01 |
| lennyb | ok. how are you ? | 08:01 |
| anteaya | good thanks | 08:01 |
| anteaya | beautiful moon in the sky tonight | 08:01 |
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| anteaya | have you anything to discuss today? | 08:01 |
| lennyb | enjoy....:). | 08:02 |
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| anteaya | thanks | 08:02 |
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| anteaya | I have no items I need to discuss today | 08:02 |
| lennyb | we have an issue with our CI due to #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1535367 , but it's under control with nova folks. | 08:03 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1535367 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Failure on SR-IOV . Missing 'parent_addr" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Nikola Đipanov (ndipanov) | 08:03 |
| anteaya | yes I saw you working on that yesterday, nicely done | 08:03 |
| anteaya | thanks for mentioning it | 08:03 |
| anteaya | if I recall ndipanov is close to a fix | 08:03 |
| lennyb | so I added a small workaround for Neutron to keep it working. and I disabled voting on failure to minimise noise. | 08:04 |
| anteaya | good work | 08:04 |
| anteaya | thank you for that | 08:04 |
| lennyb | thanks | 08:04 |
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| anteaya | so glad you are on top of your system | 08:04 |
| anteaya | makes a big difference even if noone in -nova channel said anything to you | 08:05 |
| anteaya | I'm sure they noticed and were grateful | 08:05 |
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| lennyb | thanks. I have nothing else, so you can continue enjoying the moon :) | 08:07 |
| anteaya | thank you | 08:07 |
| * anteaya always enjoys enjoying the moon | 08:07 | |
| anteaya | :) | 08:07 |
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| anteaya | okay I don't see anyone else arrive so I will close the meeting | 08:10 |
| anteaya | thanks for being here lennyb | 08:10 |
| anteaya | I will see you next week | 08:10 |
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| anteaya | #endmeeting | 08:10 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 19 08:10:40 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:10 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-01-19-08.00.html | 08:10 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-01-19-08.00.txt | 08:10 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-01-19-08.00.log.html | 08:10 |
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| alex_xu | #startmeeting nova api | 12:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 19 12:00:07 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alex_xu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova api)" | 12:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_api' | 12:00 |
| alex_xu | who is here today? | 12:00 |
| jichen | o/ | 12:00 |
| Kevin_Zheng | hi | 12:00 |
| alex_xu | jichen: Kevin_Zheng hello | 12:00 |
| alex_xu | let's wait one more minute for more people join | 12:01 |
| Kevin_Zheng | sure | 12:01 |
| gmann_ | hi | 12:01 |
| sdague | o/ | 12:01 |
| alex_xu | ok, cool, looks like have enough people now, let's start the meeting | 12:02 |
| alex_xu | #topic content patches up for review | 12:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "content patches up for review (Meeting topic: nova api)" | 12:02 | |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/complete-todo-in-api-concept-doc,n,z | 12:02 |
| alex_xu | looks good, just need more review | 12:02 |
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| alex_xu | I added one more about extension | 12:03 |
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| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/api-site+branch:master+topic:fix-compute-api-ref,n,z | 12:03 |
| alex_xu | we have a lot of api ref fix merged last week, that thanks to jichen :) | 12:03 |
| jichen | alex_xu: :) | 12:04 |
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| eliqiao | o/ | 12:04 |
| alex_xu | jichen: from your view, do we still have a lot of bugs in the doc? | 12:04 |
| gmann_ | nice, thanks jichen. | 12:04 |
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| jichen | alex_xu: I guess so, we might need more work on the wording and some consistency between code and doc | 12:05 |
| alex_xu | jichen: ok, thanks | 12:05 |
| jichen | np | 12:05 |
| alex_xu | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-v2.1-api-doc | 12:05 |
| alex_xu | from this etherpad looks like still have note didn't address yet for api ref | 12:05 |
| alex_xu | #topic most needed next content patches | 12:06 |
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| alex_xu | for api concept, just left few concept in servers. | 12:06 |
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| alex_xu | hope we can at least have some initial doc for those | 12:06 |
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| alex_xu | if no more question, let's move on | 12:07 |
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| alex_xu | #topic remove project id | 12:07 |
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| alex_xu | sdague: looks like we have agreement on the solution last week | 12:07 |
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| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/233076 | 12:08 |
| sdague | yes, I responded to your review comments just now | 12:08 |
| alex_xu | sdague: ^ this is ready to merge, right? I already begin to review it | 12:08 |
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| sdague | well, I have to rebase because another v2.16 merged | 12:08 |
| * gmann_ will review it tomorrow | 12:09 | |
| sdague | so it will be v2.17, it will take me a bit | 12:09 |
| gmann_ | sdague: should i hold all extension patches? not sure those will lead to conflict with this. need t check | 12:09 |
| gmann_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/api-sample-tests-with-all-extensions | 12:10 |
| sdague | on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/233076/21 I added review comments | 12:10 |
| sdague | gmann_: it would be nice if we could get this landed because we generate a bunch of additional comments | 12:10 |
| sdague | sorry, conflict | 12:10 |
| sdague | just waking up still :) | 12:10 |
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| gmann_ | sdague: yea, sure. no issue. | 12:11 |
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| alex_xu | sdague: ok I got it | 12:11 |
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| alex_xu | I missed that point | 12:12 |
| gmann_ | sdague: alex_xu quick question (still need to look into patch) | 12:12 |
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| gmann_ | we will not generate api samples for without project_id? | 12:12 |
| sdague | gmann_: no, not yet | 12:13 |
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| sdague | auggy is working on some unit testing for the matcher in api_samples | 12:13 |
| gmann_ | sdague: ok. i see | 12:13 |
| sdague | once she completes that, we can refactor that so we can have 1 template set, and 2 samples trees | 12:14 |
| sdague | but there is so much magic in there, I didn't want to change it without tests | 12:14 |
| gmann_ | sdague: yea. | 12:14 |
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| alex_xu | sdague: do we still think about legacy v2 problem? | 12:14 |
| gmann_ | sdague: lot of magic logic will go away with all extension. and it will be more clear to refactor tests | 12:15 |
| sdague | alex_xu: which problem is this? | 12:15 |
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| alex_xu | sdague: the project_id will optional for legacy v2 compatible mode also | 12:16 |
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| sdague | alex_xu: yes, that's true | 12:16 |
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| sdague | there are only so many things we can do with route changes like this | 12:16 |
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| sdague | the microversion here is really a signal for new allowed behavior | 12:16 |
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| alex_xu | anyway with project_id still work with legacy v2 mode | 12:17 |
| sdague | right | 12:17 |
| alex_xu | ok, it isn't a big problem | 12:17 |
| alex_xu | ok, so we are good at here, any more question on this? | 12:18 |
| alex_xu | so we just need help on another around review | 12:18 |
| gmann_ | +1 | 12:19 |
| alex_xu | cool, let's move on | 12:19 |
| alex_xu | #topic API futures - patches for approved specs | 12:19 |
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| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:master+topic:bp/api-sample-tests-with-all-extensions | 12:19 |
| alex_xu | thanks gmann_ work on this | 12:19 |
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| gmann_ | alex_xu: yea it was on hold for long time. | 12:20 |
| alex_xu | I think we should metion this work on the meeting, otherwise I afraid we always forget to help on review those patches | 12:20 |
| gmann_ | yea | 12:20 |
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| alex_xu | so hope people help on review! | 12:20 |
| gmann_ | i will try to push more on this tomorrow but will check project_id patch should not conflict with this | 12:20 |
| jichen | +1 | 12:21 |
| alex_xu | gmann_: thanks | 12:21 |
| gmann_ | looking at first glance it should not but will confirm and update accordingly | 12:21 |
| gmann_ | alex_xu: np | 12:21 |
| alex_xu | I'm just thinking we should show all the fields in the sample file. that will be more useful in the api-ref | 12:21 |
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| alex_xu | but that may can be done separately | 12:22 |
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| gmann_ | alex_xu: +1, once we get rid of extensions specific tests, i will go through all with schema files and add if anything mising | 12:22 |
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| alex_xu | gmann_: thanks a lot | 12:22 |
| alex_xu | ok, so next one | 12:22 |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/254950/ | 12:22 |
| alex_xu | I have question for this patch. I found rebuild action allow to change the instance name, if the name changed, the meaning of description may changed also. So I think user should have requirement update description when rebuild instance also. | 12:23 |
| gmann_ | alex_xu: i found some tests missing there for 2.3 | 12:23 |
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| gmann_ | only doc sample files are there but no template and tests. ll add that too | 12:23 |
| alex_xu | gmann_: emm...interesting | 12:23 |
| alex_xu | gmann_: thanks again :) | 12:23 |
| gmann_ | alex_xu: np | 12:23 |
| sdague | alex_xu: is name change mandatory? | 12:23 |
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| * alex_xu is checking | 12:24 | |
| alex_xu | sdague: no, it's not | 12:24 |
| alex_xu | optional | 12:24 |
| gmann_ | sdague: i think no, that is optional same as update API | 12:25 |
| gmann_ | yea | 12:25 |
| sdague | so description being optional is probably fine | 12:25 |
| gmann_ | only image is mandatory | 12:25 |
| alex_xu | ok, probably need update spec also | 12:25 |
| alex_xu | but that will be quickly, hope it still can catch up the freeze | 12:25 |
| gmann_ | sdague: alex_xu related to this, i feel update should show only updated field in response | 12:26 |
| gmann_ | update response is kinda replica of show server and keep adding more and more attribute with show API changes | 12:26 |
| alex_xu | gmann_: currently it isn't only show updated field? | 12:26 |
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| gmann_ | alex_xu: no it shows all the filed | 12:26 |
| alex_xu | I'm not, but I think that should be another propose | 12:27 |
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| alex_xu | s/I'm not/I'm not sure/ | 12:27 |
| gmann_ | alex_xu: yea another not in this | 12:27 |
| sdague | gmann_: why do you only want to show updated fields? | 12:27 |
| sdague | the point of UPDATE is that you update some number of things, and you get a whole resource back | 12:28 |
| gmann_ | alex_xu: with rebuild addition spec for that patch should add about adding the description field in update Response also | 12:28 |
| alex_xu | gmann_: ok, got it | 12:28 |
| gmann_ | sdague: but with that it will be more clear what all being updated. | 12:28 |
| gmann_ | sdague: show resource should be showing all the info | 12:29 |
| gmann_ | i feel that but may be m missing any such use case of update | 12:29 |
| alex_xu | is there any chance one field updated may lead to other field changed also? but for now, I guess we don't have this case. | 12:30 |
| sdague | gmann_: the idea is we are working with a server representation | 12:30 |
| sdague | that could be passed around | 12:30 |
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| sdague | I guess I don't understand what use you would have with partial resource returns | 12:31 |
| gmann_ | sdague: but in current case also update API does show all info as Show does | 12:31 |
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| gmann_ | some attribute is in Show only | 12:32 |
| alex_xu | before I hope we have some return for show and update | 12:32 |
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| alex_xu | I guess we should fix that in the future? | 12:33 |
| gmann_ | like https://github.com/openstack/tempest-lib/blob/master/tempest_lib/api_schema/response/compute/v2_1/servers.py#L159-L178 | 12:33 |
| gmann_ | i feel either we should show all or only updated one | 12:33 |
| sdague | right, I think we should be returning everything, or nothing honestly. | 12:33 |
| gmann_ | sdague: yea | 12:34 |
| alex_xu | +1 | 12:34 |
| alex_xu | let find some point to fix that in the future | 12:35 |
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| gmann_ | alex_xu: yea +1 | 12:35 |
| sdague | gmann_: it would probably be good to write up the issue, maybe as a spec, and where it shows up | 12:35 |
| alex_xu | sdague: +1 | 12:35 |
| gmann_ | sdague: sure, will add spec | 12:35 |
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| alex_xu | so let's move to next one | 12:36 |
| alex_xu | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/128940/106 | 12:36 |
| alex_xu | For this patch, I just think we should give some help. As it already have 106 patchsets.... | 12:36 |
| alex_xu | API layer patch looks like pretty closes | 12:37 |
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| alex_xu | anyway people free to help review it | 12:38 |
| Kevin_Zheng | OK | 12:38 |
| gmann_ | alex_xu: is author active or need help on implementation ? | 12:38 |
| gmann_ | alex_xu: i can help if needed | 12:38 |
| alex_xu | gmann_: author is active, implementation looks good | 12:38 |
| gmann_ | alex_xu: ok, will review then. Thanks | 12:39 |
| alex_xu | in my memory, this patch already been here 2 or 3 release. I guess due to wait too long time, people begin to forget it.... | 12:39 |
| alex_xu | gmann_: thanks | 12:39 |
| alex_xu | good to see we have a helpful team | 12:40 |
| alex_xu | #topic open | 12:40 |
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| alex_xu | any open today? | 12:40 |
| Kevin_Zheng | yes | 12:40 |
| alex_xu | Kevin_Zheng: please go ahead | 12:40 |
| Kevin_Zheng | I have a question like this | 12:40 |
| Kevin_Zheng | I have a microversion | 12:40 |
| Kevin_Zheng | say 2.18 | 12:40 |
| Kevin_Zheng | it added vm_state and task_state | 12:41 |
| Kevin_Zheng | John and Sean suggested that we shouldn't let list and show API in lower microversion to show those states | 12:42 |
| Kevin_Zheng | but to doing this, I may have to add microversion for list and show API also? | 12:42 |
| alex_xu | yes, I guess so | 12:42 |
| Kevin_Zheng | also in 2.18? | 12:43 |
| sdague | Kevin_Zheng: yes, this should all be in the same bump | 12:43 |
| gmann_ | i think we have those in show API right | 12:43 |
| Kevin_Zheng | hm... | 12:43 |
| sdague | basically when < 2.18 those values should show up to something that could exist earlier | 12:43 |
| Kevin_Zheng | OK then | 12:44 |
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| Kevin_Zheng | I will work on that | 12:44 |
| alex_xu | cool~ | 12:44 |
| sdague | alex_xu: https://review.openstack.org/233076 is rebased now, if you could take a look before you stop your day it would be appreciated. | 12:44 |
| alex_xu | sdague: yea, I will check after the meeting | 12:44 |
| jichen | hi , thanks for talking https://review.openstack.org/#/c/257261/ , last week ;we had a discussion, as follow up, I can't find use case for mac address, but I think the 'ip' type should be something helpful to user? | 12:45 |
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| alex_xu | is there any other way to get the type? for neutron, I guess probably user need check the network type | 12:46 |
| alex_xu | jichen: maybe we can update the usecase in the spec, then let people feedback on the spec? | 12:47 |
| jichen | um.. I can do that, let me update the spec and invite folks to take a look | 12:48 |
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| alex_xu | jichen: cool, thanks | 12:48 |
| jichen | thanks | 12:48 |
| alex_xu | if no more open, I will close the meeting early | 12:48 |
| alex_xu | 3... | 12:49 |
| alex_xu | 2.. | 12:49 |
| alex_xu | 1. | 12:49 |
| alex_xu | thanks all! | 12:49 |
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| gmann_ | Thanks all | 12:49 |
| alex_xu | #endmeeting | 12:49 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 12:49 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 19 12:49:32 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 12:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2016/nova_api.2016-01-19-12.00.html | 12:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2016/nova_api.2016-01-19-12.00.txt | 12:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2016/nova_api.2016-01-19-12.00.log.html | 12:49 |
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| Qiming | #startmeeting senlin | 13:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 19 13:02:44 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Qiming. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: senlin)" | 13:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'senlin' | 13:02 |
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| Qiming | sorry, a bit late | 13:02 |
| elynn_ | o/ | 13:03 |
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| Qiming | trapped by the placement policy | 13:03 |
| yanyanhu | hi | 13:03 |
| Qiming | pls check meeting agenda | 13:03 |
| Qiming | very short one, :) | 13:04 |
| Qiming | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/SenlinAgenda | 13:04 |
| Qiming | first things first, work items etherpad | 13:04 |
| Qiming | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/senlin-mitaka-workitems | 13:04 |
| Qiming | I tried keep updating this page | 13:05 |
| Qiming | location header can be got now, elynn? | 13:05 |
| elynn_ | yes | 13:06 |
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| elynn_ | I try and can get location now. | 13:06 |
| Qiming | cool | 13:06 |
| elynn_ | But openstacksdk doesn't release new tag. | 13:06 |
| Qiming | for action header, may need to add that asap | 13:06 |
| elynn_ | only master support location. | 13:06 |
| elynn_ | Action header? | 13:07 |
| Qiming | yes, after action header is added, we can push them to do a 1.0 release | 13:07 |
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| Qiming | oh, sorry, location header points to action | 13:07 |
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| Qiming | see what a mess I'm | 13:07 |
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| elynn_ | we can get location header now | 13:08 |
| Qiming | great | 13:08 |
| elynn_ | I can split location string and get action id in heat. | 13:08 |
| Qiming | moving on, I don't think anyone is working on advanced filters | 13:09 |
| Qiming | so you will continue to work on the heat resource type thing | 13:09 |
| haiwei | have forgotten it | 13:09 |
| elynn_ | Qiming: yes | 13:09 |
| Qiming | haiwei, no worry, we have been talking empty, :P | 13:09 |
| elynn_ | I will add more resource type in heat for senlin in this release | 13:09 |
| Qiming | great | 13:10 |
| Qiming | senlinclient test case coverage is 91% | 13:10 |
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| Qiming | there are a few units a little bit tricky to test | 13:10 |
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| haiwei | will make a new release? | 13:10 |
| Qiming | we can get back to that after this m2 release | 13:10 |
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| Qiming | yes, haiwei, client should be released first | 13:11 |
| Qiming | I think it is in pretty good shape now | 13:11 |
| haiwei | seems so | 13:11 |
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| Qiming | health management part, xinhui has been pushing that end | 13:12 |
| Qiming | great progress so far | 13:12 |
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| Qiming | we won't expose those interfaces from API in m2 | 13:12 |
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| haiwei | why not | 13:13 |
| Qiming | we can discuss later when those bits all merged | 13:13 |
| Qiming | and see if it is approriate | 13:13 |
| Qiming | haiwei, we can never deprecate things once exposed from API | 13:13 |
| Qiming | that's the reason why we spent so much effort on deleting things | 13:14 |
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| haiwei | will we make a release of API, and put health polices into micro-version? | 13:14 |
| Qiming | Documentation part, no progress, I guess | 13:14 |
| Qiming | haiwei, that is an option | 13:15 |
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| Qiming | before doing micro-versioning, we need an infra to support it | 13:15 |
| Qiming | micro-version specs are under review in openstack-specs project | 13:15 |
| haiwei | ok, we don't need to make API release so fast I think | 13:15 |
| Qiming | we should watch that | 13:15 |
| Qiming | sure, keep the minimum set of APIs, and make them usable, stable | 13:16 |
| Qiming | no progress on profile update, right? | 13:16 |
| yanyanhu | yes | 13:16 |
| yanyanhu | didn't get time to work on it... | 13:16 |
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| Qiming | no worry, not high priority at the moment | 13:17 |
| yanyanhu | yea, will focus on policy this week | 13:17 |
| Qiming | okay, the highest priority is to make policies work | 13:17 |
| Qiming | especially those ones which used to work before we remove soft-delete, priority, level, cooldown ... etc | 13:18 |
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| Qiming | that will be the baseline for this m2 release | 13:18 |
| yanyanhu | yes, lots of thing need to clean | 13:18 |
| Qiming | yep | 13:18 |
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| Qiming | deleting clusters which have receivers associated | 13:20 |
| Qiming | this one has been solved | 13:20 |
| Qiming | em ... can be improved though | 13:20 |
| Qiming | so it is no longer a bug | 13:20 |
| Qiming | can we remove it? | 13:21 |
| yanyanhu | yes, I think so | 13:21 |
| haiwei | yes | 13:21 |
| Qiming | policy fix is not related to receiver | 13:22 |
| Qiming | lb rework was listed on line 46 | 13:22 |
| Qiming | builtin policy captured on line 43 | 13:22 |
| yanyanhu | yes, so we can remove this item | 13:22 |
| Qiming | do it! | 13:22 |
| yanyanhu | it is in wrong place | 13:22 |
| yanyanhu | done | 13:23 |
| yanyanhu | :P | 13:23 |
| Qiming | it feels good deleting things! | 13:23 |
| yanyanhu | sure, haha | 13:23 |
| Qiming | engine status listing | 13:23 |
| yanyanhu | haven't started working on functional test for receiver as well | 13:23 |
| Qiming | that depends on a db table, which means a db version bump | 13:23 |
| elynn_ | Qiming: yes | 13:23 |
| Qiming | yanyanhu, no worry | 13:23 |
| yanyanhu | hope can start this work from next week | 13:23 |
| elynn_ | I will modify my patch | 13:23 |
| Qiming | have to prioritize things | 13:24 |
| Qiming | okay, done | 13:24 |
| elynn_ | add 02_xxx.py for db migration. | 13:24 |
| Qiming | :) | 13:24 |
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| Qiming | anything missed from work items etherpad? | 13:24 |
| yanyanhu | nope, I think | 13:25 |
| haiwei | can you give me the link? | 13:25 |
| yanyanhu | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/senlin-mitaka-workitems | 13:25 |
| Qiming | #topic high priority reviews/bugs | 13:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "high priority reviews/bugs (Meeting topic: senlin)" | 13:26 | |
| haiwei | about deletion policy for cross az/region one, It seems I am not in the right way | 13:26 |
| Qiming | haiwei, will propose a revision to region placement policy, hopefully today | 13:27 |
| haiwei | ok, I will do deletion policy fix based on it | 13:28 |
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| Qiming | cool | 13:28 |
| Qiming | reviews | 13:29 |
| Qiming | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/senlin+status:open | 13:29 |
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| yanyanhu | still lots of patches need review | 13:30 |
| Qiming | yep, wondering if we can/should swallow them all | 13:31 |
| yanyanhu | hope so. In worst case, leave those ones which are not necessary for m2 release | 13:32 |
| yanyanhu | to next week | 13:32 |
| Qiming | okay, just need eyes from everyone | 13:32 |
| Qiming | #topic open discussion | 13:32 |
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| elynn_ | Will~ | 13:33 |
| Qiming | a link to share with you: http://superuser.openstack.org/articles/what-s-new-under-the-openstack-big-tent-monasca-and-senlin | 13:33 |
| Qiming | may and may not need a proxy to check it | 13:33 |
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| yanyanhu | I can access it | 13:34 |
| elynn_ | I can see it. | 13:34 |
| lixinhui_ | cool | 13:34 |
| Qiming | it was very slow last time I checked it | 13:34 |
| elynn_ | Cool , now we get more attention. | 13:34 |
| yanyanhu | nice article :) | 13:34 |
| Qiming | ghost ... :D | 13:34 |
| Qiming | truth is we need more | 13:35 |
| haiwei | who made this? | 13:35 |
| Qiming | we can use openstack wiki as the platform | 13:35 |
| yanyanhu | Qiming, yep, we need more, both eyes and hands :) | 13:35 |
| Qiming | haiwei, Nicole is responsible for publishing this kind of info | 13:36 |
| Qiming | another thing, we have got some helps again, on api spec | 13:37 |
| Qiming | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/263579/ | 13:37 |
| yanyanhu | nice | 13:38 |
| yanyanhu | thanks for those kind help | 13:39 |
| haiwei | great job | 13:39 |
| Qiming | I have put your name into corresponding tables here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons | 13:39 |
| haiwei | ok | 13:40 |
| lixinhui_ | ok | 13:40 |
| yanyanhu | got it | 13:40 |
| Qiming | speak up if you want to take away some job roles from me, :) | 13:41 |
| Qiming | my name still appears here and there | 13:41 |
| Qiming | I'll do my best to serve you well, but I am still grateful to the ones who are sharing the workload, :P | 13:42 |
| Qiming | okay | 13:42 |
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| yanyanhu | sure, will be glad to undertake some jobs | 13:42 |
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| Qiming | anything else? | 13:42 |
| yanyanhu | no further topic from me:) | 13:43 |
| haiwei | I have one | 13:43 |
| elynn_ | I will be glad to help you :) | 13:43 |
| haiwei | have anyone tried to create a node with the latest source? | 13:43 |
| haiwei | I tried, but failed | 13:44 |
| elynn_ | Not yet... | 13:44 |
| yanyanhu | latest resource? | 13:44 |
| Qiming | not yet | 13:44 |
| yanyanhu | you mean | 13:44 |
| cschulz | There appears to be an error in the Senlin article, it states this meeting occurs "Tuesdays at 13:00 UTC in #senlin on IRC" | 13:44 |
| yanyanhu | oh, my eye... sigh | 13:44 |
| yanyanhu | latest source... | 13:44 |
| Qiming | cschulz, oh, ... | 13:44 |
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| yanyanhu | ... | 13:45 |
| haiwei | Qiming has made a fix a few days ago, make a node's cluster_id '' instead of None if the node is not in a cluster | 13:45 |
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| Qiming | seems introducing new bugs? | 13:46 |
| haiwei | I seems it is related to that fix | 13:46 |
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| haiwei | I am not sure it is a bug | 13:46 |
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| haiwei | the unit test passed, but when doing by command line it failed with an DB error | 13:47 |
| Qiming | okay, keep digging | 13:47 |
| Qiming | see if any traces from senlin-engine | 13:47 |
| Qiming | maybe it is related to the default None value or something | 13:48 |
| haiwei | https://github.com/openstack/senlin/blob/master/senlin/engine/service.py#L970 | 13:48 |
| haiwei | this line | 13:48 |
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| Qiming | that line is good | 13:49 |
| haiwei | if make cluster_id equal None, it will pass | 13:49 |
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| haiwei | I also think current source is OK, but it really failed in my test | 13:50 |
| Qiming | maybe line 980 should be checked? | 13:50 |
| haiwei | not sure about it | 13:50 |
| haiwei | will dig it tomorrow | 13:50 |
| Qiming | that fix was necessary | 13:50 |
| haiwei | maybe it is my fault | 13:50 |
| Qiming | but I'm not 100% sure I have covered all possible places where we are assigning value to node.cluster_id | 13:51 |
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| Qiming | thx, haiwei | 13:51 |
| haiwei | nope | 13:51 |
| Qiming | are we done? | 13:52 |
| haiwei | it is ok for me | 13:52 |
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| yanyanhu | ok for me too | 13:52 |
| Qiming | thanks for joining, guys, talk to you next week | 13:52 |
| Qiming | #endmeeting | 13:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 19 13:52:42 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2016/senlin.2016-01-19-13.02.html | 13:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2016/senlin.2016-01-19-13.02.txt | 13:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2016/senlin.2016-01-19-13.02.log.html | 13:52 |
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| mestery | FYI: no neutron-drivers meeting today | 15:01 |
| ihrachys | mestery: thanks for the notice | 15:01 |
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| ralonsoh | mestery: thanks | 15:01 |
| mestery | ihrachys: np, we're looking for a more friendly time for amotoki so he doesn't have to both get up insanely early AND stay up insanely late :) | 15:01 |
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| rossella_s | mestery, thanks for the notice...poor amotoki I hope you can find a better time | 15:02 |
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| ajo | mestery ,ack :) | 15:02 |
| * mestery thinks we should all send amotoki some flowers and scotch | 15:02 | |
| mestery | :) | 15:02 |
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| ihrachys | mestery: yeah, with the latest change to the schedule, someone may even think the community is US centered | 15:02 |
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| ajo | mestery , ihrachys , rossella_s , I wanted to ping about QoS RBAC spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/254224/ | 15:03 |
| mestery | ihrachys: Hey, I'm with you my friend! | 15:03 |
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| mestery | No one replied to my email | 15:03 |
| ajo | I, ihrachys , and amotoki believe it's ready, but we need drivers blessing :) | 15:03 |
| ihrachys | ajo: in neutron channel? | 15:03 |
| mestery | But I think having a rotating meeting with rotating chairs is hte way to go | 15:03 |
| mestery | Apparently I was the only one though :) | 15:03 |
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| ihrachys | mestery: only one thinking that way? | 15:04 |
| ajo | mestery : I agree, may be that's a good idea | 15:04 |
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| ajo | because otherwise we also are imposing the PTL the early-wake-up schedule | 15:04 |
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| mestery | ihrachys: No one backed me up in that thread (unless I missed it). | 15:04 |
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| ajo | mestery , I think I missed your email | 15:05 |
| mestery | ajo: The PTL can skip the European friendly meeting :) | 15:05 |
| ajo | mestery : so, searching | 15:05 |
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| ihrachys | mestery: I thought it was not the concern that ended up with the change. if that was indeed the concern, of course we would find alternative chairs in our time zones | 15:05 |
| mestery | ajo ihrachys: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-January/083926.html | 15:05 |
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| rossella_s | ajo ihrachys mestery I guess it's time to revive that thread ;) | 15:06 |
| mestery | ++ | 15:06 |
| ajo | +++! | 15:07 |
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| stevemar | courtsey ping for ajayaa, amakarov, ayoung, breton, browne, davechen, david8hu, dolphm, dstanek, ericksonsantos, geoffarnold, gyee, henrynash, hogepodge, htruta, jamielennox, joesavak, lbragstad, lhcheng, marekd, morganfainberg, nkinder, raildo, rodrigods, roxanaghe, samueldmq, shaleh, stevemar, tsymanczyk, topol, vivekd, wanghong, claudiub, rderose, samleon, xek, MaxPC, tjcocozz | 17:59 |
| raildo | \o | 17:59 |
| shaleh | o/ | 17:59 |
| dstanek | o/ | 17:59 |
| tjcocozz | o/ | 17:59 |
| topol | o/ | 17:59 |
| dolphm | \o/ | 17:59 |
| stevemar | o/ | 17:59 |
| samueldmq | hey o/ | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | stevemar o/ | 18:00 |
| stevemar | hey everyone! | 18:00 |
| gyee | \o | 18:00 |
| henrynash | hey… | 18:00 |
| stevemar | #startmeeting keystone | 18:00 |
| MaxPC1 | 0/ | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 19 18:00:22 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is stevemar. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| stevemar | sure has been a crazy week! | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:00 | |
| lhcheng | o/ | 18:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:00 |
| ayoung | MaxPC1, ! | 18:00 |
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| stevemar | thanks everyone in advance for all the review and code they've been pushing :) | 18:00 |
| * notmorgan is lurking. | 18:00 | |
| notmorgan | *LURK* | 18:01 |
| * stevemar insists notmorgan sits in the front | 18:01 | |
| stevemar | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/KeystoneMeeting#Main_Agenda | 18:01 |
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| stevemar | lots of stuff on the agenda today, so expect short discussions | 18:01 |
| stevemar | #topic midcycle details | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "midcycle details (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:01 | |
| stevemar | I sent out an email to all the folks coming to the midcycle, i got names from the wiki | 18:02 |
| david8hu | \o | 18:02 |
| * dstanek is likely to get lost if there are over 900 buildings! | 18:02 | |
| stevemar | no real changes there, just that we'll get "badges" (stickers) the day of and they'll be ready with our names on it | 18:02 |
| stevemar | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-mitaka-midcycle | 18:02 |
| bknudson | is there a bus from the hotel? | 18:02 |
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| stevemar | dstanek: there are only 7 buildings, and and we'll be using the same one every day :) | 18:03 |
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| stevemar | bknudson: nope, carpool or drive | 18:03 |
| topol | bknudson stay at the same hotel as me and I can give you a ride | 18:03 |
| stevemar | bknudson: well, not that i know of... | 18:03 |
| ayoung | will there be telepresence? I'd like to participate | 18:03 |
| bknudson | they probably have uber there | 18:03 |
| dstanek | stevemar: i'm in walking distance | 18:03 |
| dstanek | bknudson: uber and lyft i believe | 18:04 |
| stevemar | dstanek: no bus for you then | 18:04 |
| stevemar | ayoung: i can ask about that | 18:04 |
| bknudson | at the security meetup they set up google hangout and a couple of people remoted in | 18:04 |
| stevemar | #action stevemar to setup video for midcycle | 18:04 |
| bknudson | seemed to work ok | 18:04 |
| dolphm | telepresence hasn't worked too well for the midcycles that have tried it, unless they go 100% remote, and then you have a whole different set of problems | 18:04 |
| samueldmq | anyone staying at Home2 Suites ? :) | 18:04 |
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| stevemar | samueldmq: i think dstanek is | 18:05 |
| notmorgan | will be doing that today | 18:05 |
| ayoung | stevemar, something like that would work fine. When we did the summer one, we did the remote demo for dynamic policy that way | 18:05 |
| samueldmq | I decided it was better ot just walk | 18:05 |
| samueldmq | stevemar: nice! | 18:05 |
| dstanek | stevemar: nope. some lonestar place i think | 18:05 |
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| stevemar | dstanek: i thought home2 was the only one in wakling distance, oh well | 18:05 |
| stevemar | ayoung: yep, i'll see what we can do | 18:05 |
| stevemar | ayoung: worst case, hangouts like bknudson said | 18:06 |
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| stevemar | any other q's about the midcycle? | 18:06 |
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| ayoung | Agenda for topics to discuss? | 18:06 |
| ayoung | At midcycle, that is? | 18:06 |
| stevemar | ayoung: no agenda yet, but i added topics and timeslots to the etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-mitaka-midcycle | 18:06 |
| samueldmq | ayoung: yes it worked :) | 18:07 |
| samueldmq | stevemar: are we also supposed to use https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-mitaka-midcycle-meetup ? | 18:07 |
| samueldmq | stevemar: in addition to this one you said ^? | 18:07 |
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| topol | notmorgan is actually coming??? | 18:07 |
| stevemar | samueldmq: i don't know who created that one | 18:07 |
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| stevemar | samueldmq: just squash the content into https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-mitaka-midcycle if possible? | 18:08 |
| dstanek | we just need to make sure we have enough time to come to a resolution on topics that need it | 18:08 |
| stevemar | since one has much more content | 18:08 |
| samueldmq | stevemar: me neither, sure! | 18:08 |
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| stevemar | dstanek: agreed | 18:08 |
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| stevemar | we can take a vote on topics that need discussion the first morning we get there | 18:09 |
| bknudson | some of these are work items and not something we need to discuss | 18:09 |
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| samueldmq | stevemar: done | 18:09 |
| ayoung | You guys are going to get so much done without me there to derail | 18:09 |
| dolphm | stevemar: are we supposed to fill in the schedule? | 18:09 |
| samueldmq | bknudson: nice, I will add 2 sections | 18:09 |
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| bknudson | why 2 sections? | 18:10 |
| stevemar | dolphm: no, lets fill it in the morning of | 18:10 |
| stevemar | dolphm: or i'll make that call | 18:10 |
| dolphm | stevemar: "will be populated from topics & todos" ? | 18:10 |
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| samueldmq | bknudson: list of topics to be discussed vs only worked on | 18:10 |
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| stevemar | dolphm: yes, it will be | 18:10 |
| bknudson | ok... seems like we can put everything in 1 section | 18:11 |
| samueldmq | wfm | 18:11 |
| bknudson | as in, things people want to do at the midcycle | 18:11 |
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| stevemar | bknudson: right | 18:11 |
| stevemar | can't we can divide that up in the first morning there? | 18:11 |
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| stevemar | there's discssion, then there's work items folks want to accomplish | 18:12 |
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| stevemar | fill in topics and things to do, i'll massage it a bit | 18:13 |
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| notmorgan | topol: yes. but... | 18:14 |
| stevemar | seems like a good time for the next topic | 18:14 |
| stevemar | #topic API working group liaison | 18:14 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "API working group liaison (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:14 | |
| notmorgan | ayoung: i promise to derail things in your absence | 18:14 |
| ayoung | notmorgan, thanks | 18:14 |
| stevemar | so dolphm has stepped down as the API working group liaison, anyone want to pick up and run with it? | 18:15 |
| stevemar | dolphm: can you mention some of the responsibilities? | 18:15 |
| gyee | that defcore work? | 18:15 |
| dolphm | sure- | 18:15 |
| stevemar | dolphm: or more importantly, time commitment | 18:15 |
| notmorgan | gyee: not exactly. | 18:15 |
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| dstanek | dolphm: yes, what is the time commitment like? | 18:16 |
| dolphm | from my perspective, the job is mostly to maintain awareness of, if not participate in, the API Working Group, and to come back to keystone and review API-impacting keystone-specs reviews accordingly, raise awareness of new standards/conventions/etc | 18:16 |
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| dolphm | dstanek: it's just a shift in code review focus in my book, so... zero ;) | 18:16 |
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| stevemar | btw, this is open to anyone, not just cores | 18:17 |
| bknudson | do they have a weekly meeting to attend? | 18:17 |
| gyee | what's the pay like? | 18:17 |
| gyee | :) | 18:17 |
| dolphm | bknudson: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/API_Working_Group | 18:17 |
| lbragstad | gyee the occasional coffee/beer at summits | 18:17 |
| dstanek | yes, yep | 18:17 |
| dolphm | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/API-WG | 18:17 |
| dolphm | but honestly, all the important stuff is in gerrit | 18:17 |
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| dstanek | don't all jump in at once! i'd be interested | 18:18 |
| dolphm | and there's been a tiny bit on the mailing list | 18:18 |
| dstanek | i already watch the evening meeting - so it would just mean participating | 18:18 |
| stevemar | dstanek, cool with me, i think you're already a liaison for something, but as long as you're sure you can handle it | 18:18 |
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| stevemar | dstanek: y, you are QA liaison, but above comment still applies | 18:19 |
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| dstanek | stevemar: yes, i don't mind | 18:19 |
| samueldmq | ++ for dstanek, however I'd be able to take it no-core is able to | 18:19 |
| samueldmq | dstanek: nice then :) | 18:20 |
| stevemar | dstanek: thanks, dude. | 18:20 |
| henrynash | ++ to dstanek | 18:20 |
| dolphm | #startvote Elect a new API-WG liaison? dstanek | 18:20 |
| stevemar | dstanek: i'll let the right folks know | 18:20 |
| openstack | Only the meeting chair may start a vote. | 18:20 |
| dolphm | #vote dstanek | 18:20 |
| dolphm | #endvote | 18:20 |
| bknudson | thanks dstanek | 18:20 |
| raildo | lol | 18:20 |
| stevemar | lol | 18:20 |
| dolphm | dstanek: woo, congrats! | 18:20 |
| samueldmq | haha | 18:20 |
| lbragstad | that was trickery | 18:20 |
| stevemar | you guys are gonna love this next topic... | 18:20 |
| stevemar | #topic Cross-Project liaison | 18:20 |
| * dstanek feels like he was just thrown into a fire pit | 18:20 | |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Cross-Project liaison (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:20 | |
| * dolphm hugs dstanek | 18:20 | |
| stevemar | this is *new* position | 18:21 |
| stevemar | the cross-project liaison | 18:21 |
| bknudson | I'm already watching x-project for security, and I also attend because of oslo | 18:21 |
| stevemar | responsibilities are here: http://docs.openstack.org/project-team-guide/cross-project.html#cross-project-specification-liaisons | 18:21 |
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| gyee | sounds like a punching bag position | 18:21 |
| bknudson | So I'll volunteer. | 18:21 |
| dolphm | #startvote Elect a new cross project liaison? bknudson | 18:21 |
| openstack | Only the meeting chair may start a vote. | 18:21 |
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| stevemar | bknudson: that works for me | 18:22 |
| dolphm | #vote bknudson | 18:22 |
| dolphm | #endvote | 18:22 |
| bknudson | of course I'd be happy to see someone else on it. | 18:22 |
| dolphm | woo | 18:22 |
| stevemar | bknudson: i'll help out where i can | 18:22 |
| stevemar | i also watch the x-project specs | 18:22 |
| lbragstad | i see a pattern forming | 18:22 |
| topol | bknudson, now thats a nomination I can get behind! | 18:22 |
| shaleh | Looks like a sham democracy to me :-) | 18:22 |
| bknudson | there are already a couple of x-project specs that keystone should be following | 18:22 |
| bknudson | request IDs from the python API | 18:23 |
| bknudson | and the service catalog standardization | 18:23 |
| samueldmq | stevemar: core-only for this one ? | 18:23 |
| dolphm | in all seriousness, cross-project awareness and communication is a growing issue in openstack, and i'd openly encourage & welcome anyone that wants to step up | 18:23 |
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| ayoung | I don't like the other projects | 18:23 |
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| shaleh | ayoung: they relly dont like us :-) | 18:23 |
| bknudson | and there's some proposed also -- for using the CLI (which we're already done with) | 18:23 |
| bknudson | for using openstack CLI | 18:23 |
| stevemar | samueldmq: preferred, for the reasons dolphm just said, but please please participate, it's very important | 18:23 |
| dolphm | samueldmq: no reason to restrict liaisons to existing -core at all | 18:23 |
| dolphm | stevemar: disagree! | 18:24 |
| samueldmq | cool, I'll volunteer too | 18:24 |
| amakarov | dolphm, maybe there should be more than just a single person for x-project communication? | 18:24 |
| bknudson | my vote is for samueldmq then. | 18:24 |
| dolphm | liaisons priority is communication-first, not necessarily reviewer-first | 18:24 |
| lbragstad | I was just going to ask, does it have to be restricted to one person? | 18:24 |
| stevemar | dolphm: i did say *preferred*, no required | 18:24 |
| gyee | bknudson, link for the SC standardization patch? | 18:25 |
| dstanek | one person needs to be responsible, but i see no reason why others can't get involved | 18:25 |
| bknudson | gyee: it's merged already... let me find it! | 18:25 |
| dolphm | one of the other functions of liaisons is to have externally-facing project contacts, so there's no harm in having a list of people willing to be contacted | 18:25 |
| ayoung | when is the X proj meeting? | 18:25 |
| stevemar | gyee: it's here: http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/openstack-specs/ | 18:25 |
| stevemar | ayoung: just after this one? or two hours after? | 18:25 |
| ayoung | I can take it. | 18:25 |
| bknudson | gyee: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/181393/ | 18:25 |
| lbragstad | dstanek agreed, as long as the people acting a liaisons stay up on communication with each other | 18:26 |
| stevemar | now everyone wants to do it! | 18:26 |
| ayoung | I've been pushing X proj specs enough | 18:26 |
| samueldmq | lbragstad: ++ | 18:26 |
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| ayoung | I said "can" not "want to" | 18:26 |
| ayoung | will do if needed | 18:26 |
| dolphm | there are also working group meetups at the summits - while not strictly required, i'd sincerely hope the liaison can/will attend | 18:26 |
| stevemar | ayoung: let's let samueldmq have it :) | 18:26 |
| bknudson | samueldmq sounds like he wants to. | 18:27 |
| samueldmq | I'd be glad, will do my best :) | 18:27 |
| stevemar | done | 18:27 |
| stevemar | samueldmq you are the new x-project dude | 18:27 |
| gyee | #vote for samueldmq | 18:27 |
| bknudson | thanks samueldmq! | 18:27 |
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| dstanek | samueldmq! | 18:27 |
| amakarov | samueldmq, congrats! | 18:27 |
| topol | thanks samueldmq | 18:27 |
| dolphm | #vote samueldmq | 18:27 |
| ayoung | works for me | 18:27 |
| topol | speech speech speech | 18:27 |
| samueldmq | thanks hehe | 18:28 |
| stevemar | hehe | 18:28 |
| stevemar | #topic keystone user survey | 18:28 |
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| samueldmq | bknudson: might need to get a bit more details with you after meeting | 18:28 |
| bknudson | samueldmq: no problem | 18:28 |
| stevemar | so, i was asked if we want to provide new questions about keystone for the user survey | 18:28 |
| stevemar | anyone can add questions here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-mitaka-user-survey | 18:28 |
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| stevemar | the previous keystone related questions for the user survey i saw were pretty bad | 18:29 |
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| stevemar | they didn't discriminate between the resources and backends, it was just "do you use ldap, y/n?" | 18:29 |
| stevemar | if you have a few minutes, add a question, i figured if everyone adds one, then that's good enough | 18:30 |
| stevemar | otherwise, i'll add a bunch on my own | 18:30 |
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| gyee | stevemar, when do you need them by? | 18:31 |
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| stevemar | gyee: Due Jan 21, 2016 | 18:32 |
| stevemar | i can polish the question, if folks want to write it in short form | 18:32 |
| stevemar | here's an example question from last year: Which OpenStack Identity Service (Keystone) drivers are in use? | 18:33 |
| stevemar | the options are LDAP/SQL/AD/PAM/Templated/KVS .... | 18:33 |
| stevemar | https://www.openstack.org/assets/survey/Public-User-Survey-Report.pdf | 18:33 |
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| stevemar | that's pretty much our own insight into users and operators that is metric based ... | 18:33 |
| stevemar | and kinda sad | 18:34 |
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| stevemar | so, if we're actually serious about operator feedback, then take a few minutes to add a question, i think it'll be worthwhile | 18:34 |
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| gyee | #1 Do you use Keystone? Yes/No | 18:34 |
| shaleh | gyee: actually valid, right? Could be a Swift only shop | 18:35 |
| stevemar | gyee: i think that's already asked :) | 18:35 |
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| stevemar | all this silence isn't good, i think i lost folks :( | 18:35 |
| raildo | stevemar: all of us can suggest some questions, right? | 18:36 |
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| stevemar | raildo: for sure | 18:36 |
| htruta | let's ask if they use v2. If so, why? | 18:36 |
| stevemar | htruta: yep | 18:36 |
| notmorgan | there is also more nova deployments than keystone deployments | 18:36 |
| samueldmq | I'm here o/ | 18:36 |
| notmorgan | as an interssting datapoint | 18:36 |
| notmorgan | as of the last survey | 18:36 |
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| samueldmq | notmorgan: ++ | 18:36 |
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| stevemar | notmorgan: could just be people filling out data incorrectly | 18:36 |
| topol | o/ ack | 18:36 |
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| samueldmq | #link http://www.openstack.org/software/project-navigator | 18:36 |
| ayoung | meh...people are not interested in Keystone. Either it works for them or they work around it | 18:36 |
| samueldmq | keystone has 96% adoption | 18:36 |
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| raildo | ayoung: :( | 18:37 |
| ayoung | raildo, Implied roles is the first step to fix that | 18:37 |
| amakarov | samueldmq, how this can be measured? | 18:37 |
| stevemar | help out if you can | 18:37 |
| shaleh | Identity is not sexy or interesting. It is a necessary step for them. That is all. | 18:37 |
| topol | ayoung, the selfhating core | 18:37 |
| ayoung | topol, I don't hate myself | 18:37 |
| stevemar | topol: ++ | 18:37 |
| ayoung | I love me | 18:37 |
| ayoung | I am just frustrated by Keystone | 18:37 |
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| samueldmq | amakarov: survey | 18:38 |
| bknudson | let's make keystone something we can all love | 18:38 |
| gyee | ++ | 18:38 |
| stevemar | ayoung: "how can i make keystone something we can all love?" | 18:38 |
| stevemar | anywho | 18:38 |
| ayoung | stevemar, no | 18:38 |
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| stevemar | now that fun topic is over.. | 18:38 |
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| stevemar | #topic Feature proposal freeze is today | 18:38 |
| amakarov | stevemar, a title for a new book? | 18:38 |
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| bknudson | let's just have ayoung write all the code | 18:38 |
| dstanek | stevemar: you can't please everyone so you shouldn't even try | 18:38 |
| stevemar | amakarov: lol | 18:38 |
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| stevemar | No patch up for review for a feature (spec or blueprint)? The feature will now target N. | 18:39 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, just approve my patches without all the nitpicking would be a good start | 18:39 |
| stevemar | i don't think we have any folks in danger of that... ? | 18:39 |
| * ayoung done whining | 18:39 | |
| breton | stevemar: if it's not merged or not proposed? | 18:39 |
| stevemar | #link http://docs.openstack.org/releases/schedules/mitaka.html#keystone | 18:39 |
| stevemar | breton: proposed | 18:39 |
| stevemar | breton: if there was a feature, and there is NO code for it (as of today), it's being pushed to N | 18:40 |
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| henrynash | stevemar: quite right to | 18:40 |
| stevemar | we're also approaching mitaka-2 deadline | 18:40 |
| stevemar | so anything that isn't GATING today, will be pushed to mitaka-3 | 18:41 |
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| bknudson | can we propose specs to N? | 18:41 |
| stevemar | bknudson: sure | 18:41 |
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| stevemar | the mitaka-2 to mitaka-3 change isn't a big deal. you now have a few more works to get things ironed out | 18:41 |
| stevemar | weeks* | 18:41 |
| stevemar | i already moved shadow users and domain specific roles (and a few others) to mitaka-3: https://launchpad.net/keystone/+milestone/mitaka-3 | 18:42 |
| stevemar | for a snapshot of what's going into mitaka-2, here: https://launchpad.net/keystone/+milestone/mitaka-2 | 18:42 |
| gyee | implied roles made it! | 18:42 |
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| stevemar | ayoung tjcocozz samueldmq, you guys are on the border, if you get your patches +A'ed today, then y'all have made it | 18:43 |
| stevemar | gyee: there are 2 patches for implied roles :) | 18:43 |
| gyee | thought they are both A+ed, lemme check | 18:43 |
| ayoung | then approve the damn thing and file bugs | 18:43 |
| samueldmq | stevemar: + one I will on to eal with circular references :) nits may be fixed later | 18:44 |
| samueldmq | ayoung: lol | 18:44 |
| stevemar | yep | 18:44 |
| ayoung | seriosusly, it is about 50 lines fo code...and 300 of unit tests | 18:44 |
| stevemar | i thought there'd be more discussion here | 18:44 |
| stevemar | everyone needs coffee | 18:44 |
| htruta | stevemar: are we makring bps for mitaka-3 today? | 18:44 |
| ayoung | close to 400 of tests | 18:44 |
| htruta | marking* | 18:45 |
| stevemar | htruta: i already marked most | 18:45 |
| samueldmq | ayoung: anything else besides https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242614 | 18:45 |
| samueldmq | ? | 18:45 |
| stevemar | htruta: if they are not in by today, then they will become mitaka-3 as well | 18:45 |
| ayoung | samueldmq, well, there is all of henrynash 's patches that depend on it | 18:45 |
| samueldmq | ayoung: but that's domain roles | 18:45 |
| henrynash | stevemar: the projects acting as domains part of reseller doesn’t appear in either the m2 or m3 lsits (but is tagged for mitaka)…. | 18:45 |
| samueldmq | ayoung: which is m3 | 18:45 |
| gyee | ayoung, that's the last patch right? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/264260/ | 18:45 |
| stevemar | breton: btw, you owe me a release not for truncated stuff | 18:46 |
| stevemar | henrynash: link me? | 18:46 |
| ayoung | gyee, that is driver, then the API is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242614 | 18:46 |
| htruta | stevemar: nice | 18:46 |
| breton | stevemar: will do | 18:46 |
| ayoung | useless without API going in | 18:46 |
| gyee | ayoung, why its a different topic? | 18:46 |
| stevemar | henrynash: it'll target mitaka-3 likely | 18:46 |
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| ayoung | gyee, NPI | 18:46 |
| samueldmq | gyee: are you confused with new gui ? (I am ) | 18:46 |
| henrynash | stevemar: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/reseller | 18:46 |
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| gyee | samueldmq, I was going by the "topic" | 18:46 |
| henrynash | steevmar: yes m3 | 18:47 |
| gyee | and I only see 3 patches for implied roles | 18:47 |
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| stevemar | henrynash: ok | 18:47 |
| ayoung | gyee, I blame henrynash as he rebased his changes on mine, and I think he grabbed the topic | 18:47 |
| stevemar | ayoung: probably | 18:47 |
| henrynash | ayoung: moi? | 18:47 |
| stevemar | next topic! | 18:47 |
| stevemar | #topic Removing Role LDAP backend | 18:47 |
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| stevemar | notmorgan: you wanna take this one? i'm tired of typing :P | 18:47 |
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| bknudson | Role LDAP backend seems useles | 18:48 |
| bknudson | useless | 18:48 |
| gyee | ya think? | 18:48 |
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| notmorgan | yes | 18:48 |
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| notmorgan | it is useless | 18:48 |
| stevemar | so, we decided back in K to remove Assignment and Resource LDAP backends, which we have been emiting deprecations for We are removing the Assignment and Resource LDAP backends here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/231872 | 18:48 |
| notmorgan | we should kill it | 18:48 |
| * topol I'm still waiting for gyee to deliver the one and only best schema for it | 18:49 | |
| notmorgan | basically what stevemar just said. | 18:49 |
| ayoung | It can go away | 18:49 |
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| stevemar | but when we split assignment into role and assignment, we messed up and didn't emit deprecations for role LDAP | 18:49 |
| dstanek | ++ to killing it | 18:49 |
| stevemar | there's a seperate patch to kill it: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269385/ | 18:49 |
| gyee | topol, its posixGroup :-) | 18:49 |
| stevemar | i think it's broken if you don't have assignment in there anyway | 18:49 |
| ayoung | henrynash, TBH, I would be happier with DSRs under the Implied role topic, to make clear to people that it is one continuous path | 18:49 |
| bknudson | maybe we can just say it's implied in the other deprecations | 18:49 |
| stevemar | bknudson: i think so | 18:49 |
| stevemar | okay, it seems unanimous, we can kill it | 18:50 |
| henrynash | stevemar, bknudson: agreed | 18:50 |
| stevemar | it's in the release note | 18:50 |
| gyee | killing it softly | 18:50 |
| stevemar | gyee: ripping it out isn't soft | 18:50 |
| bknudson | we'll see if anybody notices | 18:50 |
| stevemar | lets give lhcheng and raildo some time | 18:50 |
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| lbragstad | notmorgan dstanek lets remove it, consolidate the tests and simplify the code | 18:50 |
| stevemar | #topic Adding parent_id in the token | 18:50 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Adding parent_id in the token (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:50 | |
| notmorgan | and it was also referenced in the email | 18:50 |
| ayoung | bknudson, that is correct. It is implied; roles were part of assignemtn when we said we were goimng to deprecate assignemnt LDAP backend | 18:50 |
| ayoung | stevemar, -2 | 18:50 |
| notmorgan | that was sent >1yr ago | 18:51 |
| ayoung | no parent in token | 18:51 |
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| stevemar | ayoung: i'll bite, why? | 18:51 |
| henrynash | ayoung: I’m not fussed either way….although if we change it I’ll probably mess it up with git again :-) | 18:51 |
| raildo | so, we found a bug on cinder, and we have the same issue on nova | 18:51 |
| raildo | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1531502 | 18:51 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1531502 in Cinder "Child project's default quota not enforced" [High,New] - Assigned to Ryan McNair (rdmcnair) | 18:51 |
| ayoung | stevemar, it is neither necessary nor sufficient | 18:51 |
| ayoung | you need quota, just knowing the parent is not sufficient | 18:51 |
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| ayoung | if there is a tree, you need to know the whole tree to calc quota | 18:52 |
| ayoung | so, let's say in keystone I make the following: | 18:52 |
| ayoung | Domain1->p1->p2->p3->4 | 18:52 |
| gyee | ayoung, why the whole tree if you only set the quota on the domain? | 18:52 |
| bknudson | from memory, the projects were going to have a cache of the project hierarchy that they could consult | 18:52 |
| lhcheng | cinder/nova needs to make a call to GET project to fetch the parent_id for the quota calculation. however, our policy rule is too restrictive for the GET project. | 18:52 |
| ayoung | and I want to check quota on p4, which is inherited from p1 | 18:52 |
| henrynash | stevemar, ayoung: so to bit more…is it that without parent in the token someone can’t build the tree, or that they want to be “efficient” and not have to call keystone build a tree each time? | 18:53 |
| ayoung | they need to know more than just p3->p4 | 18:53 |
| raildo | ayoung: for now, you can just change quota for the immediate child, so the parent_id will be enough for now | 18:53 |
| ayoung | henrynash, right, you can't build enouigh of the tree to matter | 18:53 |
| amakarov | bknudson, or they should contain this information in the model: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/251445/ | 18:53 |
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| ayoung | raildo, so...set quota should be using a parent scoped token. | 18:53 |
| samueldmq | stevemar: not sure I understood it well, but I had a patch for deprecating role api and I got a -1 hence that wasn't fair to deployers to remove it in +1 ? | 18:53 |
| ayoung | not child | 18:54 |
| ayoung | use my example above | 18:54 |
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| ayoung | say I have a role on p1 that lets me change quota | 18:54 |
| lhcheng | ayoung: the quota check is only applied to its direct parent, so only need to know p4-> p3 | 18:54 |
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| raildo | ayoung: and they use aparent scoped token for set, but a member user can't get quota for their project... | 18:54 |
| ayoung | lhcheng, circular reasoning | 18:54 |
| raildo | ayoung: that is the problem | 18:54 |
| ayoung | the check is on applied because they wrote this request this way | 18:54 |
| ayoung | it is neither necessary nor sufficient | 18:55 |
| gyee | raildo, you want to put up a POC patch to show ayoung it is sufficient? | 18:55 |
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| ayoung | If I get a token scoped to P3 in order to "pull down" quota | 18:55 |
| ayoung | gyee, it is a recursive problem | 18:55 |
| gyee | otherwise, we are just arguing abstract | 18:56 |
| raildo | gyee: sure, I can do that, and we can discuss this next week | 18:56 |
| ayoung | if I call set quota on P4, I need a token scoped to P3, and the service needs to query the tree from p3 up to Domain1 | 18:56 |
| mc_nair | so the particular issue is also with enforcement of default child quotas. User creates a volume, we know to use the default quota cause none is set. All we need to know is should defaults be child defaults (all 0s) or not. We don't have any way to grab the project from keystone because volume create isn't an admin operation. | 18:56 |
| lbragstad | 3 minutes left | 18:57 |
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| bknudson | implement a way to get the project from keystone. | 18:57 |
| bknudson | we make changes to keystone all the time. | 18:57 |
| ayoung | bknudson, I thought we had a query to get the whole tree? | 18:57 |
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| gyee | we do | 18:58 |
| bknudson | yes, we do have a query to get the whole tree | 18:58 |
| raildo | bknudson: we already implemented, the problem is that to get the project, you must need to be admin | 18:58 |
| ayoung | then they should use that | 18:58 |
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| mc_nair | bknudson: that's another option, to let get_project be a non-admin command (can get your current project). | 18:58 |
| bknudson | so be admin then | 18:58 |
| ayoung | raildo, implied roles | 18:58 |
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| stevemar | or change the policy | 18:58 |
| ayoung | don't try to fix things by working around RBAC | 18:58 |
| lhcheng | isn't that a privileged query? - GET project | 18:58 |
| bknudson | what's stopping someone from being admin? | 18:58 |
| mc_nair | but then we need to hit that API on any volume create, nova create, etc | 18:58 |
| ayoung | mc_nair, yes you do | 18:58 |
| ayoung | and? | 18:58 |
| dolphm | lhcheng: why? | 18:58 |
| dolphm | it's just a read, and the IDs aren't guessable | 18:59 |
| stevemar | we're at time folks | 18:59 |
| ayoung | anything that does a quota check, where the quota is not yet set for the project. You need to know the tree. But the trees are immutable, so cache them | 18:59 |
| lhcheng | dolphm: right now it is privileged, maybe it should be less restrictive | 18:59 |
| stevemar | lets leave and give the room to infra | 18:59 |
| stevemar | continue in -keystone | 18:59 |
| stevemar | #endmeeting | 18:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 18:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 19 18:59:46 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2016/keystone.2016-01-19-18.00.html | 18:59 |
| dolphm | lhcheng: we need jamielennox's reader role :) | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2016/keystone.2016-01-19-18.00.txt | 18:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2016/keystone.2016-01-19-18.00.log.html | 18:59 |
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| clarkb | morning | 19:00 |
| stevemar | pleia2 AJaeger fungi: it's all yours | 19:00 |
| fungi | any infra types around? | 19:00 |
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| Zara | o/ | 19:00 |
| pleia2 | o/ | 19:00 |
| taron | o/ | 19:00 |
| fungi | thanks stevemar! timelu | 19:00 |
| fungi | timely | 19:00 |
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| mordred | o/ | 19:00 |
| mmedvede | o/ | 19:00 |
| * fungi should learn himself to type | 19:00 | |
| stevemar | :) | 19:00 |
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| thomasem | o/! | 19:01 |
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| fungi | jeblair: jhesketh: yolanda: nibalizer: SergeyLukjanov: AJaeger: craige: zaro: infra meeting is starting | 19:02 |
| AJaeger | o/ | 19:02 |
| jeblair | neato! | 19:02 |
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| fungi | apologies if i'm a little scattered today, and the agenda is fullish, so let's roll | 19:02 |
| fungi | #startmeeting infra | 19:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 19 19:02:38 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is fungi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:02 |
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| fungi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:02 |
| zaro | o/ | 19:03 |
| olaph | o/ | 19:03 |
| fungi | #topic Announcements | 19:03 |
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| fungi | #info Volunteers sought to present Upstream Development track at the Newton summit in Austin, TX | 19:03 |
| fungi | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/call-for-speakers/ | 19:03 |
| fungi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/austin-upstream-dev-track-ideas | 19:04 |
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| fungi | pabelanger (who isn't in here?) has already volunteered, but let me know if you want to do something for this | 19:04 |
| craige | o/ | 19:04 |
| SergeyLukjanov | o/ | 19:04 |
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| fungi | #info Delegate sought for Cross-Project Specs Liaison | 19:05 |
| AJaeger | fungi, if there's a topic in my area, I'm happy to (co)present | 19:05 |
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| pabelanger | o/ | 19:06 |
| fungi | basically we need someone reviewing the cross-project specs regularly and spotting when there are infra-specific items in them | 19:06 |
| fungi | i'm on the hook for it right now, but if anyone's interested in taking that on instead, get up with me later | 19:06 |
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| fungi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons#Cross-Project_Spec_Liaisons | 19:06 |
| fungi | any other important announcements not covered in meeting topics on the agenda>? | 19:07 |
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| fungi | going once... twice... | 19:07 |
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| jeblair | fungi: looks like there was an ml thread about the cpl? | 19:07 |
| fungi | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:07 |
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| fungi | jeblair: yeah, there was | 19:07 |
| fungi | there were no action items last week, good for us! | 19:08 |
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| fungi | #topic Specs approval | 19:08 |
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| mordred | \o/ | 19:08 |
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| fungi | we have two proposed for council vote | 19:09 |
| jeblair | ( http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-January/084136.html for those who are curious) | 19:09 |
| fungi | PROPOSED: Move docs.o.o/releases to releases.o.o | 19:09 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/266506 | 19:09 |
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| fungi | PROPOSED: Make translation set up consistent | 19:09 |
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| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/262545 | 19:09 |
| dhellmann | I need a bit of guidance on the releases.o.o one, but I think anteaya has explained one of my questions. The other question is how to handle the redirects. | 19:09 |
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| fungi | anyone object to setting the council vote deadline on these to thursday at 19:00? | 19:10 |
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| AJaeger | dhellmann: I can help with redirects - those are don in openstack-manuals | 19:10 |
| dhellmann | AJaeger : excellent, thanks | 19:10 |
| nibalizer | o/ (sorta) | 19:10 |
| anteaya | I has no objection | 19:10 |
| anteaya | english hard | 19:10 |
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| clarkb | fwiw I have long been an unfan of the proliferation of doc sites, but I also accept that we have decided to do it for various reasons. Might be good to keep track of the number of times we go back and forth and have to reconfigure apache and dns for this stuff to quantify why it is painful | 19:10 |
| fungi | dhellmann: oh, is it still being tweaked, or are you ready for it to go up for approval? | 19:10 |
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| dhellmann | fungi : I am ready to go, I will just need help with the implementation | 19:11 |
| jeblair | fungi, AJaeger, dhellmann: no objection here -- i take it from AJaeger's participation in the conversation that this won't come as a surprise for the docs folks? | 19:11 |
| dhellmann | fungi : several of the patches to implement it are already up for review | 19:11 |
| AJaeger | jeblair: I'm not sure - let me tell them... | 19:11 |
| dhellmann | jeblair : I didn't consult with them, but they don't have much to do with that repo so I wasn't worried about it. I'll make sure they know the new URL. | 19:11 |
| AJaeger | jeblair: you mean dhellmann's change, correct? | 19:11 |
| jeblair | AJaeger, fungi: maybe we should get a docs ptl +1 on that? | 19:11 |
| jeblair | AJaeger: yep | 19:11 |
| clarkb | for translation consistency big +1 | 19:12 |
| AJaeger | loquacities: ^ | 19:12 |
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| clarkb | it is something we need to do just havne't found time for it | 19:12 |
| fungi | i agree | 19:12 |
| jeblair | loquacities: specifically https://review.openstack.org/266506 | 19:12 |
| dhellmann | jeblair : This isn't a docs repo. It's not for them to say. | 19:12 |
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| AJaeger | clarkb, fungi: I hope I covered everything for translations... | 19:12 |
| jeblair | dhellmann: i mostly don't want to yank content from docs.o.o without them at least knowing about it | 19:12 |
| fungi | oh, i thought we were talking about the translation consistency spec | 19:12 |
| annegentle | dhellmann: honestly I think it's better for SEO and for people to understand where to fix stuff, but the "not for them to say" is a bit much :) | 19:12 |
| annegentle | jeblair: yes, definitely let loquacities know | 19:13 |
| dhellmann | jeblair : sure. I'll make sure they're aware of the new URL | 19:13 |
| AJaeger | fungi: the translation one does not handle docs at all. That's a followup ;) | 19:13 |
| fungi | but yeah, i guess giving the docs team a heads up that the release details are moving to a separate site is reasonable | 19:13 |
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| annegentle | fungi: +1 | 19:13 |
| fungi | AJaeger: oh, right--thanks | 19:13 |
| AJaeger | translation of docs works fine, the lots of python and django projects cause trouble | 19:13 |
| jeblair | if they -1 then we can have the territorial dispute, but if they +1 we can dodge the issue. :) | 19:13 |
| fungi | okay, i'll put them up for council vote and see if we can get loquacities to weigh in on the releases.o.o spec as a courtesy before then | 19:14 |
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| fungi | #info Voting is open on "Move docs.o.o/releases to releases.o.o" spec until 19:00 UTC Thursday, January 21 | 19:14 |
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| AJaeger | fungi: I'm writing an email to docs team | 19:15 |
| fungi | #info Voting is open on "Make translation set up consistent" spec until 19:00 UTC Thursday, January 21 | 19:15 |
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| annegentle | thanks AJaeger | 19:15 |
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| fungi | anything else we need to handle regarding specs voting? if not, we're at 44 minutes left | 19:15 |
| fungi | #topic Priority Efforts: Ansible Puppet Apply | 19:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Priority Efforts: Ansible Puppet Apply (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:16 | |
| mordred | we're ready | 19:16 |
| fungi | note here says "Ready to go live" | 19:16 |
| * jeblair boggles! | 19:16 | |
| mordred | all of the changes that are not the actual puppet apply go live patch have landed | 19:16 |
| pleia2 | \o/ | 19:16 |
| mordred | I have verified that we're copying the hiera files and the puppet files appropriately | 19:17 |
| fungi | great! so we're on track to wrap that up later this week? | 19:17 |
| mordred | (and in fact ran puppet apply by hand on git01.openstack.org) | 19:17 |
| jeblair | or this afternoon? :) | 19:17 |
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| mordred | fungi: I was thinking this afternoon actually | 19:17 |
| fungi | (or before the meeting is over?) | 19:17 |
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| fungi | heh, cool | 19:17 |
| fungi | and congrats to all involved! | 19:17 |
| fungi | this was a biggie | 19:17 |
| jeblair | huzzah! | 19:18 |
| nibalizer | neat | 19:18 |
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| nibalizer | mordred: and you said puppetdb posting was functional ya? | 19:18 |
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| fungi | someone also needs to propose a patch to infra-specs to do the cleanup (move it to implemented, take it out of the priority efforts list and query/url) | 19:18 |
| mordred | nibalizer: I will verify that before landing the change | 19:18 |
| fungi | nibalizer: as of just before the meeting, yep | 19:18 |
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| fungi | nibalizer: oh, neverminf | 19:18 |
| nibalizer | so cool | 19:18 |
| mordred | nibalizer: but I have all the pieces in place to be able to verify that and be satisfied with the verification | 19:18 |
| fungi | you meant still functional once we switch to applying | 19:18 |
| mordred | yes | 19:18 |
| fungi | and what's the change for go-live, just for the record? | 19:19 |
| fungi | someone #link us a url for that | 19:19 |
| mordred | landing the go live patch - it should be mostly unnoticable | 19:19 |
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| mordred | #link https://review.openstack.org/249492 | 19:19 |
| fungi | appreciated | 19:19 |
| mordred | the docs on the new system are in that patch | 19:20 |
| clarkb | mordred: is there a doc change for explaining how to run puppet apply locally? | 19:20 |
| mordred | so folks might want to review it | 19:20 |
| mordred | yes | 19:20 |
| clarkb | mordred: its not complicated and I did it myself at one point but oh good | 19:20 |
| jeblair | what a cool number | 19:20 |
| mordred | although luckily the answer is "puppet apply /opt/system-config/production/manifests/site.pp" | 19:20 |
| mordred | so it's not bad | 19:20 |
| fungi | okay, anything else we need to cover before moving on to swift logs? | 19:20 |
| clarkb | ya I did it at one point testing things | 19:20 |
| mordred | it even works on git*.o.o where we have the project-config sha fact | 19:20 |
| mordred | I also included docs on how to run puppet manually from the puppetmaster via ansible | 19:21 |
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| mordred | in case you want to get hiera things copied and modules updated and whatnot | 19:21 |
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| mordred | ansible-playbook --limit "$host;localhost" /opt/system-config/production/playbooks/remote_puppet_allyaml ... in case anybody was curious | 19:22 |
| mordred | s/allyaml/all.yaml/ | 19:22 |
| fungi | #link http://docs.openstack.org/infra/system-config/puppet.html | 19:22 |
| fungi | is where the bulk of that documentation is winding up | 19:22 |
| fungi | for the benefit of those reading the meeting log | 19:22 |
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| fungi | #topic Priority Efforts: Store Build Logs in Swift | 19:23 |
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| fungi | Reviews still needed | 19:23 |
| jeblair | mordred: 249492 is a beautiful change! mostly docs and like 3 lines of code | 19:23 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+topic:enable_swift | 19:23 |
| clarkb | I reviewed the zuul changes which need to go in before the config changes can happen | 19:23 |
| clarkb | so I think the zuul changes would be the proirity | 19:23 |
| mordred | jeblair: statistically I've got to at least SOMETIME produce one of those, right? | 19:24 |
| fungi | looks like some of those should be ready to go in | 19:24 |
| fungi | unless anyone else spots issues in there | 19:24 |
| fungi | otherwise looks like same situation we were in last week, so moving on | 19:25 |
| jeblair | er | 19:25 |
| jeblair | what's the problem that 262112 is trying to solve? | 19:25 |
| fungi | or not moving on yet | 19:25 |
| clarkb | jeblair: we need to write to two containers with the second having a different root | 19:25 |
| clarkb | jeblair: so that we can build a file system directory | 19:25 |
| jeblair | clarkb: are we not having the log server do that for us? | 19:26 |
| clarkb | jeblair: no | 19:26 |
| jeblair | clarkb: i've clearly missed something. how can i catch up? | 19:26 |
| clarkb | jeblair: because that requires some method to write back to the server from unprivileged slaves | 19:26 |
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| fungi | does the spec update clarify why we aren't putting the filesystem metadata on the same container? | 19:26 |
| clarkb | jeblair: the spec with that topic should catch it up | 19:26 |
| clarkb | fungi: in a different container and yes | 19:26 |
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| mmedvede | clarkb: I think my change would allow to do that, have different container root https://review.openstack.org/#/c/229582/ | 19:27 |
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| jeblair | okay. i will read the spec update. in the mean time, i'm not sure i'm on board. | 19:27 |
| fungi | ah, got it, so it's the out-of-tree requirement driving having it on a different container | 19:28 |
| fungi | this does, i think, mean that any malicious change could in theory trash the filesystem metadata, right? | 19:28 |
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| clarkb | fungi: yes, though in theory its hashed so semi difficult to trash particular things | 19:29 |
| clarkb | the spec calls that out iirc | 19:29 |
| anteaya | I read that | 19:29 |
| anteaya | in the spec | 19:29 |
| fungi | right, now i see the security section there | 19:29 |
| clarkb | honestly I am beginning to think we shouldn't use swift at all | 19:29 |
| jeblair | i also feel like this is a substantial enough change/setback that we should at least reconsider the alternatives of "a) keep using the big log server" and "b) use afs" | 19:29 |
| clarkb | jeblair: or C) something else | 19:30 |
| clarkb | I agree | 19:30 |
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| jeblair | clarkb: ya | 19:30 |
| fungi | so the worker won't actually have access granted to upload anything into the metadata container | 19:30 |
| fungi | ? | 19:30 |
| fungi | (e.g. to overwrite files in it) | 19:30 |
| clarkb | fungi: it will have enough access to write the metadata object, I am not sure if the acls allow us to prevent writing to other metadata objects | 19:30 |
| fungi | that's what i was concerned about | 19:31 |
| jeblair | clarkb: also a+b: keep jenkins scping to the big log server but have it actually backed with afs | 19:31 |
| anteaya | it seems that uploading logs to a thing that has a file structure is useful | 19:31 |
| clarkb | right so the underlying issue here is we actually find the posix filesystem to be useful | 19:31 |
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| clarkb | swift doesn't provide that so we either have ot build it ourselves or not use swift | 19:31 |
| anteaya | and the build it ourselves has a security concern | 19:32 |
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| fungi | and teh answer from swift developers (which is entirely reasonable from their perspective) is that if our application is dependent on posix filesystem implementation details/features then we should redesign that application to need something different | 19:32 |
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| fungi | though i'm not sure that's possible if you consider the use case to be presenting a filesystem-like browsing experience to our end users | 19:33 |
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| krotscheck | o/ | 19:33 |
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| fungi | it basically means we should tell the consumers of our log data that their expectations are wrong | 19:33 |
| anteaya | that makes people sad | 19:33 |
| anteaya | both the teller and the listener | 19:34 |
| jeblair | i am sad | 19:34 |
| fungi | so anyway, i guess let's get this additional feedback into the proposed changes | 19:34 |
| fungi | and see if there's a compromise to be had | 19:34 |
| fungi | #topic Priority Efforts: maniphest migration | 19:35 |
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| fungi | craige wanted some input on direction, according to the agenda | 19:35 |
| craige | I did. | 19:35 |
| fungi | craige: any details on what those questions were? | 19:35 |
| fungi | (or where?) | 19:35 |
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| craige | Not at present. | 19:37 |
| fungi | oh | 19:37 |
| * anteaya finds it hard to provide input | 19:37 | |
| craige | I'll have to punt them to -infra when I'm more awake. | 19:37 |
| craige | it does. Sorry. | 19:37 |
| fungi | craige: okay, please do. it's entirely reasonable to ask questions in #openstack-infra when they occur to you rather than waiting for the weekly meeting | 19:38 |
| fungi | #topic puppetlabs-apache migration (pabelanger) | 19:38 |
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| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/205596 | 19:38 |
| pabelanger | ohau | 19:38 |
| pabelanger | hi* | 19:38 |
| fungi | pabelanger: what's the status and/or blocker on this work? | 19:39 |
| * anteaya likes ohau as a greeting | 19:39 | |
| * jeblair likes oahu | 19:39 | |
| pabelanger | so, I wanted to see if people are still interested in the puppetlabs-apache migration? I've had nodepool up for a month or so, but have no feedback | 19:39 |
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| pabelanger | so, before going crazy with patches, want to see if I can have some puppet core ready for reviews | 19:39 |
| pabelanger | and make sure people are happy with apache::vhost:custom patch | 19:40 |
| jeblair | maybe we need to ask when nibalizer is more around? | 19:40 |
| pabelanger | as a reminder, this should finally get us of our puppet-http fork | 19:41 |
| clarkb | pabelanger: maybe start by getting the apache module update change in? | 19:41 |
| clarkb | pabelanger: it is currently marked WIP so not likely to get much attention | 19:41 |
| clarkb | oh it merged | 19:42 |
| clarkb | with WIP... | 19:42 |
| jeblair | ha! | 19:42 |
| pabelanger | Ya, not sure why that merged honestly :) | 19:42 |
| pabelanger | but, it is in | 19:42 |
| clarkb | well then ya probably best to start with a service and make sure it is happy then move on | 19:42 |
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| fungi | okay, so apache::vhost::custom is a working thing now. and looks from the example change like we don't lose our current capabilities | 19:42 |
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| fungi | thanks for driving that to a successful conclusion upstream! | 19:43 |
| pabelanger | Ya, I can take this offline, like I say, just wouldn't mine puppet-core to confirm they are happy and I can get started on others | 19:43 |
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| clarkb | I think my biggest concern at this point would be making ure the module code works across platforms as we roll out | 19:43 |
| clarkb | since we tripped over the apache mod stuff before | 19:43 |
| pabelanger | Ya, puppetlabs-apache has some good test coverage for other OSs. | 19:44 |
| pabelanger | and beaker jobs upstream | 19:44 |
| fungi | anything else on this? | 19:45 |
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| pabelanger | none here | 19:45 |
| fungi | i apparently need to run and sign for a package at the door real fast | 19:45 |
| fungi | #topic gerritlib release for jeepyb to set gerrit project descriptions (yolanda, zaro) | 19:45 |
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| anteaya | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/110009/ | 19:45 |
| zaro | jeepyb feature to set project desriptions needs a gerritlib release | 19:46 |
| zaro | to work. | 19:46 |
| zaro | can someone do that? | 19:46 |
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| zaro | there hasn't been a release in a while. | 19:46 |
| fungi | sorry about that, back now | 19:47 |
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| anteaya | https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/730,members | 19:47 |
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| jeblair | i can do that, but i haven't been watching gerritlib and have no idea what's in the new version | 19:47 |
| fungi | has anyone looked at what the divergence is from the last tag (number of significant changes) yet? | 19:47 |
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| fungi | er, what jeblair just said | 19:48 |
| jeblair | zaro: are you relatively confident it's ready for release, won't cause major problems, etc? also, are there any backwards incompatible changes? | 19:48 |
| zaro | not atm. i would have to probably take another look. | 19:48 |
| Swanson | I'm currently spamming the universe. For a CI I want to chop down the jobs section of zuul's layout.yaml file to just what I care about, right? | 19:48 |
| zaro | i have been doing reviews on changes though. | 19:48 |
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| anteaya | Swanson: please move to -infra | 19:49 |
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| zaro | i can take a look and let you know on -infra. | 19:49 |
| fungi | skimming, maybe half a dozen notable changes in the log since 0.4.0 | 19:49 |
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| Swanson | anteaya, Whups! Clicked the wrong tab. | 19:50 |
| fungi | zaro: i can go ahead and tag this afternoon. looks like it's probably a 0.5.0 | 19:51 |
| fungi | #action fungi release gerritlib 0.5.0 | 19:51 |
| zaro | fungi: cool | 19:51 |
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| fungi | just get up with me first on whether the master branch tip testing is successful | 19:51 |
| fungi | and i'll hold off tagging until you confirm | 19:52 |
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| zaro | the only openstack-infra thing i know that depends on gerritlib is jeepyb, does anything else depend on it? | 19:52 |
| fungi | #topic update on gerrit performance after adding memory. Anybody experiencing slowness with pushes to gerrit? (zaro) | 19:52 |
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| fungi | zaro: we probably need a much longer discussion on this topic than the next 6 minutes will allow | 19:53 |
| AJaeger | there're lots of reports of 404s and 502s - and some of these cause slowness since git review will retry... | 19:53 |
| fungi | was there anything real quick you needed to bring to the team? or should we try to dig into it on #openstack-infra later? | 19:53 |
| clarkb | my theory is as memory gets constrained we can't servce requests fast enough | 19:54 |
| fungi | we could probably spend half a meeting just talking about the performance issues at a high level | 19:54 |
| clarkb | then apache decides the backend has gone away and 500s everyone for a minute | 19:54 |
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| fungi | i want to sacve the last 5 minutes for pleia2's updates/reminders on the mid-cycle too | 19:55 |
| anteaya | we have also experienced 502/503 after a service restart where gc isn't running | 19:55 |
| zaro | we can take this offline. i was just looking for feedback. put this on the schedulde before yesterday's restart. so now i know we still have big problem. | 19:55 |
| anteaya | fungi: agreed | 19:55 |
| fungi | yeah, the one i saw yesterday right after restart seemed to coincide with a large outbound traffic spike | 19:55 |
| fungi | so maybe an inadvertent dos condition | 19:56 |
| anteaya | zaro: yes, we still have performance issues | 19:56 |
| fungi | #topic Infra-cloud sprint (pleia2) | 19:56 |
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| fungi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/InfraMitakaSprint | 19:56 |
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| pleia2 | so first, reminder that we want the final attendee count to HPE for catering planning Friday, January 29th (11 days from now) | 19:56 |
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| pleia2 | so if you haven't signed up, please do :) | 19:56 |
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| fungi | #info Deadline for attendee sign-up for the mid-cycle is Friday, January 29th (11 days from now) | 19:57 |
| pleia2 | HPE is also sending some infra-branded swag, so that'll be fun (t-shirts and stuff) | 19:57 |
| fungi | neat! | 19:57 |
| fungi | (thanks hpe!) | 19:57 |
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| pleia2 | the last thing is hotels, I haven't booked yet but I don't want to end up at the hotel where no one else is since we'll need rides/cars/shuttles to the office in the morning | 19:57 |
| clarkb | assuming I end up buying this house I may not end up going... would get keys just a couple days before sprint. Will keep things updated and will remove my name from list for catering purposes if that happens | 19:57 |
| nibalizer | wooo | 19:57 |
| pleia2 | has anyone booked? I added a hotel column to the sign up | 19:58 |
| mordred | oh - I have booked | 19:58 |
| fungi | pleia2: i was going to just pick the nearest hotel, but i haven't yet no | 19:58 |
| Clint | i'm at the courtyard | 19:58 |
| anteaya | clarkb: would love to see you but also would love you to have a good house | 19:58 |
| mordred | but I'm not at any of those hotels | 19:58 |
| crinkle | i booked at the hilton | 19:58 |
| fungi | but yeah, happy to stay at whichever is most popular | 19:58 |
| anteaya | those hotels are within a rock's toss of each other | 19:58 |
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| anteaya | they basically share the same parking lot | 19:58 |
| jeblair | mordred: where are you staying? | 19:59 |
| pleia2 | ok, can folks who book add their hotels to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/InfraMitakaSprint#Registration ? | 19:59 |
| pleia2 | will help inform the rest of us ;) | 19:59 |
| mordred | jeblair: I'm staying at the Fort Collins Marriott | 19:59 |
| pleia2 | then we can also coordinate rides with each other | 19:59 |
| mordred | also - I'll only be there the last 2 days | 19:59 |
| anteaya | yeah I don't post the hotel I'm staying at | 19:59 |
| anteaya | anyone who wants to know can pm me | 19:59 |
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| fungi | yep, i agree privacy in these matters is entirely understaneable | 20:00 |
| pleia2 | anteaya: that's fine | 20:00 |
| mordred | (with the marriott/starwood merger, I'm falling back to marriott now when starwood is not a choice on the thinking that perhaps the merger will merge my accounts) | 20:00 |
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| fungi | and we're out of time | 20:00 |
| pleia2 | thanks fungi | 20:00 |
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| anteaya | thank you | 20:00 |
| fungi | dimtruck: thomasem: we'll have to get you next time | 20:00 |
| thomasem | /sadpanda | 20:00 |
| thomasem | okey dokey | 20:00 |
| dimtruck | fungi: no worries! we'll ping on -infra | 20:00 |
| fungi | SergeyLukjanov: i didn't get to bring up the renames, but maybe we can talk in #openstack-infra later | 20:00 |
| thomasem | Migth just hit y'all up in infra | 20:01 |
| dimtruck | thanks | 20:01 |
| thomasem | channel | 20:01 |
| fungi | @endmeeting | 20:01 |
| fungi | endmeeting | 20:01 |
| fungi | #endmeeting | 20:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 19 20:01:09 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2016/infra.2016-01-19-19.02.html | 20:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2016/infra.2016-01-19-19.02.txt | 20:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2016/infra.2016-01-19-19.02.log.html | 20:01 |
| fungi | one of those is right | 20:01 |
| ttx | one is | 20:01 |
| Clint | correct | 20:01 |
| thingee | afaik | 20:01 |
| sdague | o/ | 20:01 |
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| mestery | o/ | 20:01 |
| ttx | russellb, annegentle, lifeless, mordred, flaper87, dtroyer, markmcclain, jeblair, jaypipes, dhellmann: around ? | 20:02 |
| jeblair | ttx: o/ | 20:02 |
| dhellmann | o/ | 20:02 |
| jaypipes | o./ | 20:02 |
| dtroyer | o/ | 20:02 |
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| lifeless | o/ | 20:02 |
| ttx | #startmeeting tc | 20:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Jan 19 20:02:32 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tc)" | 20:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 20:02 |
| ttx | Hi everyone! | 20:02 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 20:02 |
| ttx | Our agenda for today: | 20:02 |
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| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee | 20:02 |
| ttx | First we have two end-user-experience-oriented crossproject specs to give final approval to | 20:03 |
| ttx | #topic Rubberstamp cross-project spec: Deprecate individual CLIs in favour of OSC | 20:03 |
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| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/243348/ | 20:03 |
| ttx | It looks like everyone on the review agrees it's a good idea. | 20:03 |
| ttx | jd__ used the wrong review tool to post his -1: https://twitter.com/juldanjou/status/689035654014078976 | 20:03 |
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| ttx | So unless someone elaborates on why this could possibly be a bad idea, I will approve it now. | 20:03 |
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| flaper87 | I think it's a matter of taste | 20:04 |
| flaper87 | at least, tat's my interpretation of his complaint | 20:04 |
| flaper87 | There are certainly some drawbacks from an usability perspective, I think. But, overall, there's no major objection from me | 20:04 |
| russellb | hi | 20:04 |
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| ttx | no last-minute objection ? | 20:05 |
| annegentle | stamp it! | 20:05 |
| sdague | it also doesn't get rid of the per project clients, it's just that we should lead with osc | 20:05 |
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| sdague | which I think is fine | 20:05 |
| annegentle | shiny blue | 20:05 |
| mestery | sdague: ++ | 20:05 |
| ttx | applied score with one click | 20:05 |
| annegentle | yeah I think it's pragmatic and the way forward | 20:05 |
| ttx | #topic Rubberstamp cross-project spec: Add clouds.yaml support specification | 20:05 |
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| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/236712/ | 20:06 |
| flaper87 | ttx: that's like amazon's one-click: DANGEROUS | 20:06 |
| flaper87 | :P | 20:06 |
| ttx | flaper87: no kidding | 20:06 |
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| flaper87 | O.O | 20:06 |
| ttx | This one is also pretty consensual | 20:06 |
| ttx | Last chance to complain or post your approval... | 20:06 |
| flaper87 | even twitter agrees with this one | 20:07 |
| annegentle | yeah | 20:07 |
| ttx | alright then, approving | 20:07 |
| ttx | fwiw thingee has been working on forming a cross-project liaisons team to get clearer approval from projects | 20:07 |
| ttx | thingee: could you give us a quick update on that? | 20:07 |
| thingee | hi | 20:07 |
| thingee | so we formed a team which is the cross-project spec liaisons http://docs.openstack.org/project-team-guide/cross-project.html | 20:08 |
| flaper87 | ++ | 20:08 |
| ttx | To clarify the roles, should we give that team RollCall+1 and then keep Workflow+1 to the tc (or tc chair once discussed here) ? | 20:08 |
| rockyg | ++ | 20:08 |
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| ttx | trying to find a way to get their vote to stick | 20:08 |
| thingee | this group will be representing a project and watching the cross-project repo for new specs. Basically approve or comment, or bring someone within their project that would have knowledge on the request | 20:08 |
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| thingee | this should further help the TC to make sense of consensus before stamping things | 20:09 |
| flaper87 | I think giving them RollCall is fine | 20:09 |
| thingee | and give us people we can contact on projects that are watching such initiatives. This helps TC, product working group, etc | 20:09 |
| dhellmann | ttx : roll-call vote seems appropriate | 20:10 |
| ttx | thingee: would adjusting the ACL as I suggested above help or hurt ? | 20:10 |
| flaper87 | Hope that will also encourage the team to focus more on those reviews, report back to their teams and what not | 20:10 |
| jeblair | so we are disavowing cross-project specs as TC-level items? | 20:10 |
| dhellmann | no, just adding more reviewers | 20:10 |
| ttx | dhellmann: we could even keep tc members in that rollcall vote, sounds appropriate | 20:10 |
| dhellmann | jeblair : want projects to actually look at these things | 20:10 |
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| dhellmann | oops, *we | 20:10 |
| jeblair | dhellmann: i want that too | 20:10 |
| jeblair | and i'm fine with it | 20:10 |
| dhellmann | that's what the new liaison group is for | 20:10 |
| jeblair | however, i don't think we can just add more voting members to the tc | 20:10 |
| thingee | ttx: I'm fine with this to help the TC make more sense of who from this group is voting | 20:11 |
| dhellmann | ttx: yes, I would definitely keep tc | 20:11 |
| thingee | this is the current group so far https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons#Cross-Project_Spec_Liaisons | 20:11 |
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| ttx | jeblair: those specs are already not a "vote" since we require consensus on them | 20:11 |
| jeblair | so it seems perfectly fine to me to say we want to run that repo that way, but i don't think we can do it and consider it as producing things that are on the level of tc resolutions at the some time | 20:11 |
| ttx | so it's not as if you were counting them | 20:11 |
| jeblair | ttx: i thought they held the same sway as anything else the tc votes on | 20:11 |
| ttx | jeblair: sure but since we required consensus before voting on them the votes all went in the same direction | 20:12 |
| jeblair | ttx: i understand that there is a group of people who no longer feel that's the best way. and i don't necessarily disagree. i just think it's a change and it's worth acknowledging it as such. | 20:12 |
| lifeless | me too; we had that partial discssion about this last week | 20:12 |
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| flaper87 | I think the vote from this liaisons is important as they bring knowledge and info from their projects | 20:13 |
| flaper87 | I'd like to see a formal way for them to express agreement | 20:13 |
| ttx | jeblair: yeah, I agree it's a bit unclear at this stage and that the proposed ACL would be a change | 20:13 |
| jeblair | flaper87: i agree. i love this idea. i want us to understand the implications | 20:13 |
| flaper87 | (after having discussed things with their own team) | 20:13 |
| flaper87 | Is there a way for us to express this in gerrit in a way that doesn't look like vting ? | 20:14 |
| ttx | maybe we could have a resolution on how cross-project specs should be handled from now on, that would clarify | 20:14 |
| flaper87 | voting,even | 20:14 |
| ttx | so that we are sure we are all on the same page | 20:14 |
| ttx | and see all the implications | 20:14 |
| ttx | and have a reference doc for when we change it in the future | 20:14 |
| dhellmann | that would also give us a place to document that we consider them binding | 20:14 |
| ttx | (last time we had that discussion we didn't document it) | 20:14 |
| jeblair | ttx: couldn't hurt. i just want us to be clear as to what the tc is voting on under the authority granted by its charter and what's not. | 20:14 |
| ttx | the charter gives the tc the power to override decisions anyway | 20:15 |
| ttx | the question is more, how to make the best progress on those specs | 20:15 |
| jeblair | dhellmann: i think that if the tc does not officially vote on them we can not consider them binding in the same way we consider tc resolutions. | 20:15 |
| ttx | jeblair: agreed | 20:15 |
| flaper87 | also, approval should be kept just for the TC seat/mod/etc | 20:15 |
| jeblair | that doesn't mean they aren't good ideas and that the project shouldn't adhere to them absent anything else :) | 20:16 |
| dhellmann | jeblair : ok, I guess I don't understand why giving more people RC+1 on that repo means we can't vote, too? | 20:16 |
| ttx | thingee: how about when the group is formed you place a resolution describing how we should handle cross-project specs from now on, and have the TC vote on that | 20:16 |
| ttx | that would clarify | 20:16 |
| flaper87 | sounds like a good step forward | 20:17 |
| flaper87 | we can discuss this more over that review | 20:17 |
| thingee | sure | 20:17 |
| jeblair | dhellmann: if you consider that repo as having the authority of the tc as under its charter, it would effectively be adding people to the tc by appointment which i don't think the tc can do. | 20:17 |
| dhellmann | jeblair : but nothing would be approved there before we voted. | 20:17 |
| ttx | jeblair: to be fair, the TC has +2/W+1 on that cross-project specs repo mostly as a default solution, not by charter or design | 20:18 |
| jeblair | dhellmann: the RC column is how we vote | 20:18 |
| flaper87 | jeblair: can we give them +2 but no RC ? | 20:18 |
| jeblair | ttx: your understanding of that differs from mine | 20:18 |
| dhellmann | jeblair : that's true today. it's not the only way to vote, though. | 20:18 |
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| ttx | jeblair: I'll unearth the logs | 20:18 |
| flaper87 | right now cp specs just have votes | 20:18 |
| jeblair | dhellmann: well, i mean sure we can create more columns or whatever, but the RC field is what we created specifically for our official votes | 20:18 |
| ttx | ok, let's say the next step here is to have a resolution to clarify how approval of cross-project specs should be conducted | 20:18 |
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| * flaper87 proposes adding a Liaison-Call column | 20:19 | |
| jeblair | ttx: i carefuly set up the acls according to the understanding i had at the time which is that it should support official TC votes | 20:19 |
| thingee | ttx: can I just add this to the project team guide for cross-projects? | 20:19 |
| jeblair | ttx: so it's not happenstance | 20:19 |
| ttx | #action ttx to dig in meeting log history to uncover the history behind the current CP specs approval system | 20:19 |
| dhellmann | thingee : no, we need it in the governance repo | 20:19 |
| ttx | #action thingee to propose a resolution to describe how cross-project specs should be approved | 20:20 |
| ttx | thingee: the PTG derives practical information from governance | 20:20 |
| ttx | not the other way around | 20:20 |
| thingee | ok, so I guess for now the TC can hear me out on how many projects voted until we have something more formal in place? | 20:20 |
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| thingee | I'd rather not delay this groups work | 20:20 |
| ttx | thingee: yes | 20:20 |
| ttx | for now we keep the old system, we vote | 20:21 |
| thingee | ok | 20:21 |
| ttx | ok, we have a next step there, moving on to next topic | 20:21 |
| ttx | thingee: thanks! | 20:21 |
| ttx | #topic Deprecate the use of the term "Stackforge" | 20:21 |
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| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/265352 | 20:21 |
| ttx | Apparently keeping the word "stackforge" around results in more confusion than clarity | 20:22 |
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| ttx | So the proposal is to remove it completely | 20:22 |
| flaper87 | ++ | 20:22 |
| jeblair | yeah, we gave it a go but it's not working out | 20:22 |
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| ttx | and it has enough votes to pass now | 20:22 |
| dhellmann | the king is dead, long live the king | 20:22 |
| flaper87 | lol | 20:22 |
| ttx | approving in a few seconds | 20:22 |
| jeblair | dhellmann: ++ | 20:22 |
| flaper87 | 3... 2... 1... | 20:22 |
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| ttx | "unofficial" is certainly less ambiguous | 20:22 |
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| ttx | approved | 20:23 |
| lifeless | so I agree with the thing | 20:23 |
| lifeless | I have a procedural question | 20:23 |
| lifeless | which I put on the review | 20:23 |
| ttx | lifeless: oops | 20:23 |
| lifeless | -> should it be a new resolution ? | 20:23 |
| flaper87 | what thing? | 20:23 |
| flaper87 | stackforge? | 20:23 |
| ttx | lifeless: that is a good question | 20:23 |
| * flaper87 confused | 20:23 | |
| lifeless | like; the prior resolution was made | 20:23 |
| lifeless | its dated | 20:23 |
| flaper87 | ah, gotcha | 20:23 |
| lifeless | this isn't an editorial fix like a typo | 20:23 |
| ttx | I think it's more of an adjustment than a new decision | 20:23 |
| lifeless | its a semantic change | 20:23 |
| jeblair | good question, and surprisingly, perhaps, i don't have an opinion :) | 20:23 |
| lifeless | if it was a living document, like the PTI, it would be clearly appropriate to edit in situ | 20:24 |
| dhellmann | maybe we should add an "updates" section to the bottom of the document | 20:24 |
| ttx | lifeless: we could have a resolution that says "we discontinue usage of the term stackforge" and then adjust the text of old resolution to match | 20:24 |
| lifeless | dhellmann: that would work | 20:24 |
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| ttx | I agree it's a bit weird to edit the text of a 2015 resolution | 20:25 |
| lifeless | note that because we're publishing this as html for reading, that 'read the git history' isn't a hugely satisfying answer, to me at least | 20:25 |
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| jeblair | so perhaps a new resolution is in order, then append a link to it to the original? | 20:25 |
| flaper87 | jeblair: ++ | 20:25 |
| fungi | this also isn't the first standing resolution to have subsequent modifications of some significance, i think? though i'd need to dig for other examples. it has struck me as an odd pattern as well | 20:25 |
| ttx | jeblair: we could say that resolutions are immutable | 20:25 |
| flaper87 | I think it's a good moment to fix this process | 20:26 |
| ttx | I'll go back in history and check what else we have | 20:26 |
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| flaper87 | I like resolutions being immutable | 20:26 |
| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/269850 add changes section to resolution | 20:26 |
| rockyg | yeah. a "superceded by" like RFCs | 20:26 |
| flaper87 | (except for typos and trivial fixeS) | 20:26 |
| fungi | i mean, to me the resolution is the thing that was voted on, and later updates, even small corrections, weren't considered in that vote (or necessarily even voted on by the same people) | 20:26 |
| ttx | we'll likely want the doc site to react accordingly though | 20:27 |
| ttx | so that will require some extra thought | 20:27 |
| fungi | 269850 looks like a reasonable compromise | 20:27 |
| dhellmann | ttx: add superseded to the title? | 20:27 |
| ttx | dhellmann: it's likely to make a busy index after some time, but yeah, something like that | 20:28 |
| jeblair | i think generally immutable, but being able to add 'superceded by' or 'ammended by' or something would be helpful. | 20:28 |
| dhellmann | ttx: we could also move them to a separate part of the toctree | 20:28 |
| flaper87 | ++ | 20:28 |
| edleafe | dhellmann: +1 | 20:28 |
| ttx | dhellmann: yes, I thought about something like that | 20:28 |
| edleafe | archive for old, superseded resolutions | 20:29 |
| ttx | dhellmann: I'd rather have superseded resolutions than a changes section | 20:29 |
| ttx | basically the reference/ directory is for changing reference documents | 20:29 |
| dhellmann | ttx : this isn't really superseded, though, it's just amended | 20:29 |
| ttx | resolutions are approved bits of text | 20:29 |
| ttx | if we change the approved bit of text we file a new resolution | 20:29 |
| dhellmann | ok | 20:30 |
| flaper87 | yup | 20:30 |
| ttx | and superseded the old one | 20:30 |
| ttx | I think it's rare enough to justify it | 20:30 |
| ttx | and makes the date on them look less funny | 20:30 |
| dhellmann | so jeblair will file a revert of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/265352/ and then a new resolution? | 20:30 |
| lifeless | +1 | 20:30 |
| ttx | dhellmann: in the same change, yes | 20:30 |
| dhellmann | right | 20:30 |
| ttx | Not really a new vote, more like a typo fix | 20:31 |
| jeblair | happy to -- should i do that by copying the whole text, or should i write something that says "the stackforge retiremest resolution is ammended to read..." ? | 20:31 |
| fungi | or a resolution could be separate from the document being updated? the resolution is stating tha the document should be updated to convey whatever new thing and then the document can be updated in the same change which adds the file for the resolution | 20:31 |
| dhellmann | should we do that now? | 20:31 |
| ttx | jeblair: full text I would say | 20:31 |
| dhellmann | jeblair : summarize the change and add the new full text | 20:31 |
| flaper87 | full text | 20:31 |
| fungi | still feels like in some ways a revision control system is being reinvented, poorly, but i suppose that's more or less the point | 20:31 |
| jeblair | fortunately, we try to have reference docs when we can | 20:32 |
| jeblair | so this only comes up when we want to express abstract ideas :) | 20:32 |
| ttx | yeah, resolutions are rare | 20:32 |
| jeblair | i'll try to do the update now | 20:32 |
| ttx | we did 850 changes in governance in 2015, and there is only a dozen resolution total | 20:32 |
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| * fungi guesses 90% were updates to reference/projects.yaml | 20:33 | |
| * ttx moves on to next topic, let's go back to that in open discussion | 20:33 | |
| ttx | 99% | 20:33 |
| ttx | #topic Make constraints opt in at the test level | 20:33 |
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| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/267149 | 20:33 |
| ttx | This was posted as an alternative to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/266625/ | 20:33 |
| ttx | So you might want to familiarize yourselves with that review before approving | 20:33 |
| ttx | I think I prefer sdague's approach to the problem, but I can be easily convinced | 20:34 |
| sdague | right, this came up in trying to take the final step on constraints in the nova repo | 20:34 |
| ttx | I see lifeless is fine with it | 20:34 |
| ttx | lifeless: does that mean you will abandon https://review.openstack.org/#/c/266625/ ? | 20:35 |
| sdague | we spent 3 years getting rid of run_tests.sh (which only happened this month), changing interfaces on people again seemed suboptimal | 20:35 |
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| lifeless | ttx: yes; I have no particular interest in how 'use constraints' is spelt | 20:35 |
| lifeless | ttx: the benefit is in the use, not the spelling | 20:35 |
| ttx | we have 7 votes now, can approve unless there is a last-minute objection | 20:36 |
| ttx | lifeless: agreed | 20:36 |
| jeblair | sdague: i have made an attempt to make "tox" more useful by proposing this change to nova: https://review.openstack.org/267140 it seems like it may be difficult to get consensus | 20:36 |
| sdague | jeblair: my preference is still to not bifurcate here, it caused enough confusing in the month we did in devstack before we gave up and deleted the non constraints code | 20:37 |
| jeblair | on a technical note -- some not insignificant work does have to happen in infra to effect that change (since we're effectively inverting the meaning of a significant portion of our config) | 20:37 |
| jeblair | sdague: that was not an argument against it | 20:37 |
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| ttx | jeblair: if it's not a NO vote, I'll approve now | 20:37 |
| jeblair | ttx: it is not a no vote | 20:37 |
| jeblair | sdague: i think we can switch to constrints by default and still make 'tox' useful | 20:38 |
| ttx | approved | 20:38 |
| dhellmann | jeblair : can you elaborate on the infra changes you expect to need? | 20:38 |
| fungi | job configs | 20:38 |
| sdague | jeblair: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/267133/2/jenkins/jobs/python-jobs.yaml I thought that mostly covered it? | 20:38 |
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| dhellmann | fungi : those jobs run "tox -e py27" right? why would that need to change? | 20:38 |
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| fungi | dhellmann: they need to provide the constraints file | 20:39 |
| fungi | which the change sdague linked does | 20:39 |
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| dhellmann | oh, I thought the tox.ini changes did that | 20:39 |
| jeblair | sdague: that's the bulk. without further changes it will mean that we'll be cloning the requirements repo on every python job run whether it's used or not. | 20:39 |
| sdague | dhellmann: the tox.ini changes provide a git url, and an override from the env | 20:39 |
| fungi | dhellmann: in a way which respects the environment variables being set by zuul | 20:39 |
| clarkb | jeblair: though in theory that is low overhead due to the git repo cache | 20:40 |
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| sdague | the override is always exported by zuul now, even if it doesn't exist | 20:40 |
| jeblair | sdague: afaik, no one has done the work to figure out what kind of a performance impact that will have. of course, we can just try it in production and see. :) | 20:40 |
| ttx | jeblair: and revert the whole idea if that proves catastrophic | 20:40 |
| fungi | which is a valid enough answer. we do that with job templates semi-regularly | 20:40 |
| lifeless | so | 20:40 |
| sdague | sure, though it will mean not having to have 2 sets of jobs on projects, so we'll save there | 20:40 |
| lifeless | we were expecting the bulk of jobs to be constrained eventually anyway | 20:40 |
| fungi | the bindep implementation will need a similarly shotgun transition | 20:40 |
| lifeless | so I don't see the performance aspect really being a thing, except for unofficial projects, perhaps | 20:41 |
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| ttx | ok, let's move on to the next topic | 20:42 |
| jeblair | lifeless: i agree, it should mostly affect those | 20:42 |
| sdague | ok, so we're approved now, which means we can get reviews on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/267133/2/jenkins/jobs/python-jobs.yaml to move forward, right? | 20:42 |
| fungi | yeah, projects whose python dependencies are at odds with the constraints list will either need to fix that or have their own special non-constraints jobs added | 20:42 |
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| lifeless | fungi: or accept the minor overhead of cloning requirements | 20:42 |
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| sdague | lifeless: ++ right that | 20:43 |
| ttx | that sounds reasonable | 20:43 |
| dougwig | "i wish the py27 job finished quicker", said no one, *ever*, while staring at a see of dsvm jobs. | 20:43 |
| sdague | dougwig: ++ | 20:43 |
| ttx | ok, moving on, we can go back to that in open discussion if needed | 20:43 |
| ttx | #topic Clarification of licensing requirements | 20:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Clarification of licensing requirements (Meeting topic: tc)" | 20:43 | |
| mordred | dougwig: ever is a strong word .. | 20:43 |
| ttx | #link https://review.openstack.org/268017 | 20:43 |
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| ttx | This one is the result of a looong discussion with the Foundation legal counsel | 20:44 |
| mordred | o/ btw | 20:44 |
| russellb | ttx: thanks a bunch for driving that | 20:44 |
| ttx | to translate the language in the bylaws and the current situation we have into a set of clear licensing requirements | 20:44 |
| russellb | really nice improvement | 20:44 |
| ttx | I came up with a text that he finally agreed with and that is IMHO compatible with the current oral tradition | 20:44 |
| mordred | I like how clear the document is | 20:44 |
| ttx | I propose we approve that one and improve it over time | 20:44 |
| russellb | oops, i forgot to vote | 20:44 |
| dhellmann | ttx: I proposed some further clarifications on top of that patch | 20:44 |
| ttx | dhellmann: yes, I'll also propose a subsequent change to clarify that test-only dependencies follow the rules for "infrastructure" rather than the rules for runtime dependencies | 20:45 |
| dhellmann | adding some links, removing a few pronouns | 20:45 |
| flaper87 | no objections here | 20:45 |
| ttx | since we have MySQL-python and pylint that are GPL in there | 20:45 |
| ttx | but I'll need to pass the new wording through the lawyer first | 20:45 |
| ttx | but first things first, let's get the approved wording in as a base | 20:45 |
| russellb | lifeless: re: your question, read the section about dependencies, it says GPL is fine. | 20:45 |
| ttx | missing a couple votes | 20:45 |
| mordred | ttx: we've moved to pymysql which is not GPL | 20:46 |
| lifeless | russellb: wait, I read it as saying its -not- | 20:46 |
| russellb | oh, i can't read | 20:46 |
| mordred | ttx: and pylint is not a dependency of the release - it is a tool used to produce the release | 20:46 |
| lifeless | russellb: line 23 | 20:46 |
| ttx | lifeless: I need to add a paragraph on test deps | 20:46 |
| mordred | and tools used to make the release are fine to be GPL | 20:46 |
| mordred | ttx: I thought they were covered in the infra section nicely personally | 20:46 |
| ttx | mordred: right, it's just unclear that test deps are infrastructure | 20:46 |
| mordred | ttx: ++ | 20:46 |
| ttx | I'll clarify that | 20:46 |
| mordred | ttx: I agree - that could be clearer | 20:47 |
| lifeless | so, I'd welcome some clarification, but I agree that you'd need to want to read it poorly to be confused right now | 20:47 |
| dhellmann | russellb : I did the same thing, hence https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269823/1 | 20:47 |
| russellb | dhellmann: thanks | 20:47 |
| lifeless | something like 'dependencies for deployed use' or something | 20:47 |
| ttx | lifeless: I'll clarify, just need to get the new new wording past the lawyer again :) | 20:47 |
| lifeless | lets not bake test-requirements.txt into the doc or something | 20:47 |
| mordred | lifeless: ++ | 20:47 |
| lifeless | because we're going to be deleting that file soon I hope | 20:47 |
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| ttx | as part of this exercise I also went through all deps to find licnesing | 20:48 |
| ttx | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/264754/ | 20:48 |
| ttx | fun fun | 20:48 |
| russellb | i saw that via lots of global requirement sync commits :) | 20:48 |
| flaper87 | ttx: ah-ha, it was you | 20:48 |
| sdague | ttx: ah, that's why that synced out | 20:49 |
| flaper87 | LO | 20:49 |
| flaper87 | L | 20:49 |
| angdraug | I'm probably reading it poorly but doesn't "dependencies" ultimately include KVM and Linux kernel? | 20:49 |
| ttx | sdague: yes, would be good to enforce that new entries are provided with licensing | 20:49 |
| dhellmann | angdraug : we don't link against the kernel | 20:49 |
| russellb | angdraug: fair point, that could be clarified | 20:49 |
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| angdraug | dhellmann: you're assuming GPL's interpretation of "derivative work" | 20:50 |
| russellb | i think that's worth a clarification. | 20:50 |
| flaper87 | clarification wouldn't hurt | 20:50 |
| angdraug | it's a good assumption to make, but I think it would be better to spell it out | 20:50 |
| ttx | feel free to suggest improvements | 20:50 |
| ttx | We have 7 votes in, I'll approve that one now unless someone objects | 20:50 |
| russellb | i still think as proposed it's a great start and worth approving | 20:50 |
| jeblair | this looks pretty good to me. | 20:50 |
| russellb | better than current situation by 1000x | 20:50 |
| ttx | it's a reference doc, not a resolution :) | 20:50 |
| * flaper87 looks around and notices everyone is happy | 20:50 | |
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| * ttx approves then | 20:51 | |
| russellb | i'm not happy | 20:51 |
| * ttx hugs russellb | 20:51 | |
| russellb | but that's unrelated | 20:51 |
| * flaper87 gives russellb a bag of candies | 20:51 | |
| * dhellmann hands russellb some chocolate | 20:51 | |
| russellb | <3 | 20:51 |
| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 20:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: tc)" | 20:51 | |
| * mordred hands russellb a mostly unmuddy sheep | 20:51 | |
| ttx | Next week I might be unavailable due to travel | 20:52 |
| lifeless | russellb: why aren't you happy? | 20:52 |
| ttx | read: beach | 20:52 |
| jeblair | ttx: anywhere fun? | 20:52 |
| russellb | our mission statement update proposal is on the board meeting agenda for next week | 20:52 |
| fungi | glad to see the infrastructure projects specifically called out in our licensing requirements, finally | 20:52 |
| ttx | There is also a board meeting around the meeting time | 20:52 |
| russellb | it will be discussed and voted on by the board | 20:52 |
| ttx | jeblair: I'm ashamed | 20:52 |
| ttx | That said we have a backlog of things to process, so if someone volunteers to chair we could still have the meeting | 20:52 |
| fungi | i also wonder if that indirectly absolves us of using the cla for infra projects? ;) | 20:52 |
| flaper87 | I can help | 20:52 |
| ttx | I'll prepare the agenda and all, it's just that I'm not sure if I'll be around at meeting time | 20:52 |
| ttx | fungi: indirectly yes | 20:52 |
| flaper87 | ttx: in case you're not around | 20:52 |
| flaper87 | Also, we should write a new blog post | 20:53 |
| ttx | #info flaper87 volunteers to chair if ttx can't make next week meeting | 20:53 |
| fungi | i mean, if the cla is only relevant to apache-licensed projects and we're free to have non-apache-licensed projects for infra, then... | 20:53 |
| flaper87 | I think 2 should come out soon, TBH. The linux image resolution thing deserves detailed explanation | 20:53 |
| sdague | next week is also nova midcycle, in .eu, so I suspect a slice of us are going to be drinking during this time period | 20:53 |
| * russellb has been using SIgned-off-by headers for several months :) | 20:53 | |
| ttx | sdague: I'm fine with skipping too | 20:53 |
| ttx | one less thing to worry about | 20:53 |
| annegentle | flaper87: I can help with blog post | 20:53 |
| annegentle | sdague: heh, drink well | 20:54 |
| * flaper87 should start using Signed-Off-By | 20:54 | |
| ttx | so.. skip or meet? | 20:54 |
| lifeless | hmmm, I want git review's commit hook to add s-o-b | 20:54 |
| flaper87 | well, who's going to be around ? | 20:54 |
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| sdague | I do not expect to make it next week | 20:54 |
| annegentle | I'm around | 20:54 |
| * dtroyer is around too | 20:54 | |
| sdague | lifeless: the point is it should be deliberate and intentional, otherwise it's not as meaningful | 20:54 |
| ttx | sdague: me neither. 3pm I likely be on the beach | 20:55 |
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| lifeless | sdague: for anything I'm creating here, its deliberate and intentional :) | 20:55 |
| mordred | lifeless: I want the same thing | 20:55 |
| ttx | ok, I'll move that discussion to the openstack-tc ML | 20:55 |
| mordred | sdague: but it's never going to be that - becuase people are just going to make a bash alias anyway | 20:55 |
| lifeless | mordred: git commit -s, of course | 20:55 |
| jeblair | sdague: personally, i think it's legitimate to say "i deliberatly acknowledge every commit i make to this repo is made under the terms of the dco" :) | 20:55 |
| mordred | lifeless: right | 20:55 |
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| mordred | jeblair: ++ | 20:55 |
| ttx | #action ttx to sync if we have enough people for a meeting next week on openstack-tc | 20:55 |
| annegentle | thanks ttx | 20:55 |
| mordred | I don't mind if I need to set something per-repo | 20:56 |
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| flaper87 | Also, I'm planning to send out an email w.r.t the stabilization cycle later toda/tomorrow. It's mostly to kick off the discussion, get feedback and propose a next step forward | 20:56 |
| ttx | anything else? | 20:56 |
| mordred | I just don't wnat to have to remember to add -s to my command line | 20:56 |
| flaper87 | just a heads up | 20:56 |
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| ttx | jeblair: did you post your resolution amendment thing ? | 20:56 |
| jeblair | ttx: no i'm still typing; this has been an exciting meeting. | 20:56 |
| jeblair | probably not going to make the end of meeting | 20:56 |
| ttx | jeblair: no hurry, we can process that in time | 20:56 |
| fungi | lifeless: sdague: yeah, there was already concern expressed by some on the foundation legal team (maybe just one person) that devs would invalidate our use of the dco by adding s-o-b to their git configs without realizing why they were doing so | 20:56 |
| ttx | jeblair: not as if it was the first time we rewrote history | 20:57 |
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| russellb | fungi: it's in our dev manual at least | 20:57 |
| clarkb | mordred: I am pretty sure you can set a git config flag that will just do it | 20:57 |
| fungi | russellb: yep! thanks for adding that ;) | 20:57 |
| fungi | provides a great counterargument | 20:57 |
| russellb | yeah that was the idea | 20:57 |
| clarkb | mordred: format.signOff | 20:57 |
| lifeless | clarkb: +1 | 20:58 |
| russellb | i don't like automating it myself, because i like to only add it when i'm really ready to submit something, not while it's still WIP | 20:58 |
| flaper87 | clarkb:++ | 20:58 |
| russellb | but that's just my own pedantry ... | 20:58 |
| mordred | clarkb: oh! that's new! | 20:58 |
| fungi | there will eventually be a bit of a discussion, i'm sure, when we get ready to switch to requiring s-o-b and drop the icla check | 20:59 |
| ttx | should be fun | 20:59 |
| ttx | I think I already exceeded my lawyering quota though | 20:59 |
| fungi | since we can't really do them both, no mix-or-match, it's an all-or-nothing switch | 20:59 |
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| fungi | i mean, we can do it per repo, either cla or dco, but can't enforce a mix on a single repo | 20:59 |
| ttx | and we are out of time. Thanks everyone! | 21:00 |
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| flaper87 | o/ | 21:00 |
| russellb | bye | 21:00 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Jan 19 21:00:37 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2016/tc.2016-01-19-20.02.html | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2016/tc.2016-01-19-20.02.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2016/tc.2016-01-19-20.02.log.html | 21:00 |
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