Thursday, 2016-01-21

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thinrichsHi all00:01
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thinrichstime for the Congress meeting00:01
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thinrichsHere's my topic list this week…00:01
thinrichs1. mitaka200:02
thinrichs2. distributed arch00:02
thinrichs3. midcycle summit00:02
thinrichs4. push datasource driver00:02
thinrichs5. other status updates00:02
thinrichsAnything else?00:02
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thinrichsLet's get started then.  If something else comes to mind, let us know.00:03
thinrichs#topic mitaka200:03
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thinrichsI just released mitaka2 earlier today00:03
thinrichsSo we're now working on the mitaka3 release.00:03
thinrichsI went through and moved all the blueprints that I know we're actively working on to mitaka300:04
thinrichsIf I missed any, please target them to mitaka3 so we have a sense of the code we expect to land.00:05
thinrichsAny questions or comments about mitaka?00:05
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thinrichsMoving on then...00:07
thinrichs#topic distributed arch00:07
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thinrichspballand: I saw you pushed some comments/code earlier today but haven't had a chance to look.00:07
thinrichsHow's it going?00:07
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pballandslow but steady00:07
pballandI was hoping ekao would be here00:07
ekcsI’m here.00:08
pballandekcs: hi :-)00:08
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pballandekcs is looking at the datasource interface to add to DataService, I’ll let him talk about that proposal - I’m working through comments00:08
pballandgeneral theme is that it is weird to have so many topics - which I agree00:09
pballandunfortunately oslo.messaging logs exceptions if it receives an RPC for an endpoint that it doesn’t have, *even* if the RPC has a different namespace or version00:09
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thinrichsI had a question.  Not sure if you answered it in the comments.00:10
pballandif anyone has a different suggestion than using separate topics, I’m open (we can also discuss next week) - otherwise I am continuing on the current path since it is functional00:10
thinrichsWhat is the control bus used for?00:10
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pballandthe control bus is used for service discovery and status00:11
pballandfor example, if I am a policy or api service, I may want to know what services and tables exist - those are tracked by the control bus00:11
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pballandform the dist-cross-process-dse spec: “ A common directory of data services and their exported tables must be00:12
pballand    published to all services on the DSE.”00:12
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pballanddoes that answer your question?00:13
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thinrichsNot quite00:13
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thinrichsDo we have code today that asks "give me all the tables" or "give me all the services"?00:13
thinrichsOr will we need to ask that question in the distributed arch?00:14
thinrichsThe APIs that list tables make RPCs directly to the service00:14
pballandthe API will need that information00:14
pballandthe API needs to know what services there are00:14
thinrichsSo if we have an API that asks for the list of available datasources, then it will ask the control bus.00:15
thinrichsThat makes sense.00:15
thinrichsI think that's a feature we deprecated, so we won't need it for the upcoming release, but we'll want it once we start putting the datasource APIs back in place.00:15
pballandright - we _could_ have the API service broadcast the question on the bus, but it seems better to me to have a common component00:16
thinrichsDoes anything else need the bus?  I think the policy engine just subscribes to tables and hopes they exist or will exist.00:17
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thinrichss/bus/control bus/00:17
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thinrichsSo I'm thinking that once we have pub/sub added to the existing rpc, we can do the integration work.00:17
thinrichsEven if the control bus hasn't been merged.00:18
thinrichsDoes that sound right to everyone?00:18
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masahito_I agree for the integration.00:19
thinrichsekcs: want to go over your proposal?00:19
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ekcsI have a preliminary implementation of this bp:
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ekcswhere pub-sub messages are sequenced and reordered etc. at the datasources and policy engines.00:21
ekcsbut pballand and I thought it makes more sense to build the functionality straight into the DataService class (replacing current deepsix)00:22
ekcsAny thoughts on that?00:22
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thinrichsThat sounds like the right abstraction to me.00:23
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thinrichsJust a sanity check: does oslo-messaging handle any of this?00:24
thinrichsIf we just use the existing pub/sub, does it not guarantee in-order delivery?00:24
pballandagreed: should simplify transition from deepsix if we have the exact same interface00:24
ekcsAs far as I understand, it depends on the underlying transport. RabbitMQ for example doesn’t guarantee order.00:26
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thinrichsAnother question: can we proceed with the integration work using the native pub/sub?00:26
thinrichsAnd in parallel provide the guarantees we want?00:27
pballandwhat do you mean by native pub/sub?00:27
thinrichsHow often do out-of-order problems happen?00:27
thinrichspballand: doesn't oslo-messaging have pub/sub functions?00:28
pballandoslo-messaging has a ‘Notifier’, but it doesn’t seem to line up well with the DSE00:29
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pballandother that that, the only pub/sub like function I am aware of is “casting” RPCs00:30
thinrichsSo we're still missing pub/sub functionality?00:30
pballandwhich is what my impl is using00:30
fabiogthinrichs: Notifiers does implement a publisher00:31
fabiogbut it is a fire and forget one00:31
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fabiogall the services in OpenStack uses the Notifier to send events00:32
masahito_pballand: I think client.cast() with funout=False works as a base function of pub/sub.00:32
pballandmasahito_: agreed00:32
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thinrichsmasahito: how long do you think it would take to build pub/sub on top of client.cast()?00:33
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thinrichsWe can always improve the pub/sub implementation, but all of the integration is blocked on having basic pub/sub functionality?00:33
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pballandmy proposal (which I believe is inline with what ekcs is proposing) is to add the existing deepsix interface to DataService using the RPC methods exposed by what I have in review00:34
thinrichsHow long will that take?00:34
masahito_thinrichs: I think it takes less than one day.00:34
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masahito_thinrichs: because pballand have implemented a similar function in dsenode.00:35
thinrichspballand, ekcs: how long do you think your proposal will take?00:35
pballandI think it’s reasonable to have it before the midcycle next week00:35
thinrichsIs it worth having masahito try to get something in place and then upgrade it to your version once its ready?00:35
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pballandI welcome any help, especially from masahito_ :-)00:36
pballandthinrichs: no reason to have two versions...00:36
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thinrichspballand: sure, but the plan was to have us all try to do some basic integration work before the cycle.00:37
ekcsthinrichs: at least a week I think. getting everything in deepsix to work on dse2 could have many issues come up.00:37
ekcsi was about to say earlier that it could be an issue to out time line.00:37
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thinrichsWe've been blocked on this piece for a long time.00:38
thinrichsI think it's worth the cost of some replicated work to ensure we make progress.00:39
pballandjust to make sure we are on the same page: the work is to tie together the deepsix interface (~ 12 methods) on top of the DataService RPC interface00:39
pballandis that right?00:39
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thinrichspballand: That's always been the basic problem, hasn't it?  the DataService RPC interface is incredibly similar to the oslo-messaging interface, right?00:40
thinrichsAt the very least, the 3 of you will have the experience necessary to trade war stories next week.00:40
ekcspballand: I think putting deepsix interfaces into dataservice would take days. and then implementing reliability and message ordering would take days on top of that.00:40
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thinrichsIt's time to move on I think.00:41
ekcsmaybe we need to talk to masahito_ some more to understand what he’s proposing to do in less than a day. so we understand where we differ and how to proceed. but in either case if it takes less than a day it’s not a great cost.00:41
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thinrichsekcs: agreed.  Would you want to talk/irc with masahito offline?00:42
ekcsthinrichs: yea. pballand can you join too?00:42
thinrichsGreat!  Thanks you 3.00:43
thinrichs#topic midcycle summit00:43
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thinrichsJust a reminder that the midcycle summit is next week.00:43
thinrichsfabiog: any comments here?00:43
thinrichsHave you heard about the monasca summit?  Are we overlapping?00:43
fabiogMonasca is going to be held the following week virtually over webex00:44
fabiogthere are a lot of people in EU that won't be able to travel00:44
fabiogfor our mid-cycle is everyone confirmed?00:44
fabiogI currently have: thinrichs pballand masahito_ ekcs and me00:45
thinrichsThat could be about right.  We knew it would be a skeleton crew this year.00:45
thinrichsSomeone from solinea was planning to stop by for a day.00:45
fabiogok for the logistics00:45
fabiogthis is the address00:45
fabiogCisco Systems, Inc. 285 W. Tasman Drive San Jose California 95134 United States00:45
fabiogI was thinking on a 9:30am PDT start00:46
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fabiogwe can meet at the lobby and I will escort in00:46
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thinrichssu_zhang: are you planning to attend the mid-cycle summit next week?00:46
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thinrichsfabiog: sounds good00:47
fabiogok, on Wed evening I was planning to have a group dinner. If Wed is no good for someone we can do it on Tue, is Wed good?00:48
thinrichsWed works for me.00:48
thinrichsSo does Tue00:48
fabiogany type of food/restaurants I should avoid?00:49
ekcsboth good for me.00:49
masahito_both works for me.00:49
ijwfabiog: building D00:49
ekcsactually tue would be much better for me,00:49
fabiogijw: nope, building I (eye)00:49
ijwYeah, you should avoid building D, it's full of Cisco ppl00:49
ijwWoudln't want to eat there00:50
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fabiogijw: no worries we will have catering at our meeting room00:50
fabiogbreakfast included00:50
thinrichspballand: can you make it for dinner Tue/Wed?00:50
pballandsounds great00:50
pballandTues is better for me too00:50
thinrichsSounds good.00:50
fabiogOk, then, I will book for Tue00:50
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thinrichsfabiog: are you still planning on discussing a deeper monasca integration?00:51
fabiogthinrichs: yes. Even if I am completely blocked by the integration of Monasca client in Openstack00:51
thinrichssounds good00:52
thinrichsWe're running short on time.00:52
thinrichsBefore I forget we'll cancel next week's IRC since many of us will be at the sprint00:52
thinrichsI'll send an email to the ML.00:53
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thinrichs#topic status updates00:53
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thinrichsmasahito: how is your push datasource driver going?00:53
thinrichsramineni: any status updates to report?00:53
thinrichs(Go ahead and interleave your answers, since we have 7 min left)00:53
masahito_slow progress this week.00:53
thinrichsIf anyone else has status updates/comments/questions, now is the time.00:53
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raminenithinrichs: nothing much from my side,00:54
su_zhang@thinrichs: yes00:55
thinrichsekcs: did you get your latest python3 patch sorted?  Is there anything we should discuss here?00:55
masahito_I'm checking OPNFV usecase for push driver. and try to push next patch set before sprint because I guess Monasca want it feature for the integration.00:55
su_zhang@thinrichs: I will be in the meeting00:55
thinrichsfabiog: we have another attendee: su_zhang.  I'll check eventbrite and see if anyone else signed up.00:55
su_zhanglook forward to seeing you guys there00:55
fabiogthinrichs: ok, great.00:56
ekcsthinrichs: yup. I moved the imports to below the copyright statements. and masahito_ decided his comment wasn’t an issue.00:56
masahito_s/it feature/the feature/00:56
thinrichssu_zhang: great! We're looking forward to seeing you again and hearing how Congress is working @Symantec.00:56
su_zhangsounds great!00:56
thinrichsekcs: sounds good00:57
masahito_ekcs: oops, I forgot change review status.00:57
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thinrichsmasahito_: sounds good.  I don't think there's a ton of pressure to have your code merged before the sprint, but another iteration makes sense.00:58
thinrichsmasahito_: we'll know how the push driver will end up working and can discuss with fabiog, even if the code isn't in master00:58
thinrichsThat seems to do it for this week.00:59
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thinrichsThanks all!  I'm looking forward to the sprint next week!00:59
fabiogsafe travels and see you next week00:59
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DaisyHi, we will start i18n meeting here.13:00
Daisy#startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting13:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Jan 21 13:00:42 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is Daisy. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.13:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting'13:00
eumel8hello :)13:01
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DaisyHi, ujuc, eumel813:01
DaisyWho's else ?13:01
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Daisyeumel8: is it your first i18n meeting ?13:01
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DaisySorry. Forgive my bad memory. Which team do you from ?13:02
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DaisyHi, ianychoi_phone13:02
eumel8german team13:02
eumel8always :)13:02
DaisyAre you Frank ?13:02
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DaisyOK. Got it. Thank you for joining us. Let's start.13:02
DaisyWe have a long list to cover today.13:03
Daisy#topic Discussion: Glossary management process13:03
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DaisyThe glossary.13:03
DaisyI'm going to use the first solution: saving glossary in po and pot files in Gerrit.13:03
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eumel8but translation is handled by Zanata?13:04
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DaisyFor several reasons: 1. it is simple. 2. Zanata will support glossary editor in the future. I look at their document. It looks good. We may use the glossary editor in Zanata when it is ready. po and pot file format are best format supported by Zanata.13:05
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Daisyeumel8: Yes, we will upload po/pot to Zanata for translation. We just keep a version in our i18n repo.13:06
eumel8then we do so13:06
DaisyThank you for joining, jftalta .13:06
Daisyujuc: any concerns ?13:06
jftaltaHello Daisy13:06
ujucme 2 +1 :)13:07
Daisythank you, ujuc .13:07
DaisyThank you team. move next.13:07
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Daisy#topic: Discussion: IBM contributions13:07
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eumel8mhmm, Doug is not here13:08
DaisyIBM wants to contribute their translations to community again.  Doug said it was the last time. :)13:08
DaisyBecause they will send translators directly working with us for Mitaka translation, using Zanata.13:08
eumel8ah, very good13:09
DaisyI look at their package. It is not big this time.13:09
DaisyNova: 74 strings13:09
DaisyGlance: 52 strings13:09
DaisyKeystone: 22 strings13:09
DaisyCinder: 620 strings13:09
DaisyCelimeter: 8 strings.13:09
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DaisyOnly the number of cinder is a big one.  Others are quite small.13:10
jftaltaIBM made a good decision :)13:10
eumel8I'm also a little nervous about the current procedure with IBM but we need any help so we do so.13:10
eumel8for the last time :)13:10
Daisyeumel8: what do you mean ?13:11
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eumel8I mean the discussion on the mailing list13:11
eumel8with the different positions13:11
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DaisyYou mean the mail from Akihiro ?13:12
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DaisyA good point.13:13
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ianychoi_phoneHello, amotaki!13:13
DaisyJapanese team did a lot of reviews for IBM last contributions in Liberty release. Japanese team want IBM to adopt their comments.13:13
Daisyamotoki: welcome13:13
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jftaltaHello amotoki13:14
DaisyI spent some time reading their review comments. I think they are very helpful for new comers who want to contribute.13:14
DaisyThe pity is that the comments are not able to extract.13:14
eumel8maybe Doug is able to connect the IBM translators direct to the japanese team13:14
DaisyI have copied them out, and I have forward them to IBM team.13:14
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eumel8or  he can invite the guys to i18n13:15
amotokithanks Daisy13:15
DaisyI think IBM team should revise their translations before contributing to community.13:16
DaisyI mean, the Japanese translation.13:16
DaisyNot other languages, because there was no review of other languages in Liberty release.13:16
eumel8are there also contribution from IBM in the installation guide?13:16
DaisyNo, only to messagings.13:16
Daisyonly to messaging.13:17
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DaisyNo logs, no web user interfaces.13:17
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amotokihonestly I am okay with either decision on IBM contribution to Japanese for Mitaka.13:17
amotokiI just hope we Japanese team and IBM team share our thought towards Newton release.13:18
Daisyquestion: since there was no reviews for IBM contributions for Liberty, except Japanese translations. Do you think we need to create branches for IBM contributions or not ?13:18
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eumel8good question13:19
eumel8I think yes13:19
DaisyI mean, there was no reviews of other languages for IBM translations last time. Do we need to create branches this time ?( The question is for other language team, not for Japanese team. ).13:19
Daisyfrankly speaking, I don't like to create branches.13:20
ianychoi_phoneFor Korean, I do not have enough time to IVM translations. And we mainly focused install-guide.. I am not sure whether Korean team can review IBM translations, but I am okay to accept IBM translations. I think for Korean team, the focus order would be common-rst -> horizon -> then ibm translations..13:20
ianychoi_phone-1 I do not like another branches13:20
DaisyBecause I don't know how stable Zanata is to support many branches.13:20
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amotokiI don't think we need more branch too (it's not from Japanese team view)13:21
ujuci  -1 .13:22
eumel8For German. I took a look into Dougs git repo and there is some space for improvement in translation to German :)13:22
DaisyI will not review IBM translations too. I didn't review them before. They are for messaging only. All the messaging translations are provided by IBM, in my mind. Oh. except nova.pot.13:22
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amotokiujuc: what does -1 mean? no branch?13:22
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ujucyep no branch13:22
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Daisyeumel8: I will think about if there are any ways for you to review German translations.13:23
jftalta_Still there...13:24
eumel8I want it, otherwise I have personaly no time for additional reviews13:24
Daisyok. how about you, jftalta_ ?13:24
DaisyWe are talking about whether to review IBM translations, whether to create branches.13:24
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jftalta_Unfortunately, don't have time to review IBM french translations13:26
Daisyok. got it.13:27
jftalta_French team is reorganizing itself presently13:28
eumel8Daisy: then skip the branching13:28
DaisyThank you, eumel8 .13:28
DaisyI need a further thinking. Thank you guys for the input. Very helpful.13:29
DaisyLet's move next.13:29
Daisy#topic Status update: Installation guide translation13:29
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DaisyI think we are in good status of installation guide.13:29
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DaisyThank you ujuc and ianychoi_phone for the Korean translations.13:29
DaisyGreat work!13:30
ianychoi_phoneThank you so much for all i18n guys :)13:30
DaisyWe have installation guide in Japanese, Chinese and Korean now.13:30
DaisyThere are some bugs report to i18n recently about Chinese translations.13:30
jftalta_French team has to increase effort. It will.13:31
DaisyChinese translations have readers now. When they find errors, they will report bugs. I'm fixing them.13:31
ianychoi_phoneThere might be some Korean bugs.. we will check them.13:31
Daisyjftalta_: I know your team was under reorg.13:31
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DaisyNo worries. Mitaka translation will start from March. You will have a lot of work to do. :)13:32
jftalta_But we still have keen people :)13:32
eumel8congrats to Japan, China and Korea. great work, indeed!13:32
amotokiDraft index is really useful for translators:
ianychoi_phoneThanks, eumel8 ! :)13:32
DaisyThank you, amotoki .13:32
Daisynext topic13:33
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Daisy#topic Status update: Translation check website13:33
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DaisyIt's under progress.13:33
eumel8we are on 13% but I'm on it13:33
Daisyeumel8: no worries.13:33
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DaisyI'm working on the translation check website. Recently, I studied Puppet to see how to enable the automation jobs, and how to install Zanata client.13:34
Daisyso , still under working.13:35
Daisymove to next13:35
Daisy#topic Status update: Stackalytics feature13:35
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jftalta_From OpenStack point of view, will it be a devstack machine with master branches deployed on it ?13:36
DaisyYes, jftalta_13:36
jftalta_oh, sorry...13:36
Daisyit's ok.13:36
jftalta_ok, thanx Daisy13:36
Daisyadiantum: hi, there ?13:36
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DaisyI have a program to pull translator contribution data from Zanata.13:36
DaisyIt is running in my machine now.13:37
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DaisyBut I don't know how to show the data in stackalytics.13:37
amotokihave you contacted to stackalytics team?13:38
DaisyMy plan is, if we are not able to find a people who help to show the data in stackalytics website, we just public the data in excel file.13:38
amotokiI think the number of stats is not a first priority. I think the first priority is who are translators considered as ATC.13:39
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jftalta_It would be a pity. We need stackalytics. Do you agree ?...13:39
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jftalta_On the other hand, amotoki is right13:40
ianychoi_phoneYes I agree, or some help from Zanata guys to get statistics for Summit code...13:40
amotokiwe usually receive such question.13:40
DaisyThe program to pull user contribution data is slow. It will take hours to pull the data. To get a user 's contribution to a version of a project, it will send a query to Zanata. There are a big number of projects and a big number of users. You can image how many time the program need to query Zanata.13:40
Daisyamotoki mentioned a good point.13:41
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DaisyWe need the data to decide who can get ATC free pass.13:41
Daisyjftalta_: it's really a pity that we cannot use stackalaytics.13:42
amotokiof course, stackalytics support is great. no doubt!13:42
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eumel8is the collector program somewhere in git?13:42
DaisyNot yet. eumel8 , I will put it in git when it is proved good.13:43
DaisyAccording to our decision long time ago, people who translated more than 300 words in 6 month can get a free pass.13:43
jftalta_yes, I remember this rule13:44
-amotoki- knows a hack to earn 300 words in several minutes13:44
Daisyso that is from 2015.7 to 2016.113:44
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Daisyamotoki: what's the hack ?13:45
-amotoki- top secret13:45
amotokijoke :)13:45
DaisyWe started to use Zanata since Sep, so, we will use the data from Sep to Jan.13:45
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amotokiwhen we translate a new string with 50 words using translation memory, we will get 50 words translated /13:46
amotokieven if only 1 word is changed. this is a trick.13:46
Daisydo you mean, 300 is too small for a free pass ?13:46
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amotokiI don't think so.13:46
Daisyok. :)13:46
amotokithe number of translators itself is small.13:47
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Daisyanyway, I think, if 1 patch can get a free pass, 300 words translation is a equal condition.13:47
amotokiagree. good balance.13:47
jftalta_yes, its true. And number of good translators still smaller ;)13:47
amotoki:) and :(13:48
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ianychoi_phoneI also agree, 300 words for translators13:48
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DaisyWe are talking about the last topic now.13:48
Daisy#topic ATC status/Free Access Pass13:48
eumel8a work for 2-4 hours13:48
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DaisyIn development team, ATC means a patch in 1 year, and a free pass is 1 patch in recent 6 month.13:49
DaisyI don't know when is the time point to refresh ATC.13:50
Daisywhen is time to refresh ATC list. Does anyone know about it ?13:50
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eumel8I asked Stefano about the the feeling from the Foundation but I got no answer yet13:51
jftalta_I don't13:51
amotokiIIRC, contributor of the previous cycle will get a free pass for the next summit.13:51
amotokiI don't know the detail period though.13:51
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amotokiDaisy: it is better to ask the foundation, stefano, tom ...13:51
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DaisyI'm sure free pass is talking about the latest 6 month. I just don't know when we shall refresh the ATC list.13:52
DaisyOK. I will ask them.13:52
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ianychoi_phoneNeither do I..13:52
eumel8for Austin it's already sent out13:52
jftalta_Yes. I've already got my code.13:52
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DaisyI think there will be two batches.13:52
amotokieumel8: the first round has been sent out. there are more follow-up rounds.13:53
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DaisyThe first batch is sent out.13:53
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Daisyamotoki: yes, exactly.13:53
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DaisyI will work with Tom to make sure our translators will get the ATC code. like what we were doing for Liberty.13:54
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Daisy#topic Current plan midcycle meet up13:54
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Daisyeumel8: frankly speaking, I don't have plan for midcycle meet up.13:54
Daisyeumel8: because I don't think our translators are able to travel.13:55
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Daisyeumel8: I think a local team meet up is more reasonable.13:55
ianychoi_phoneHow about virtual sprint sprint..??13:55
jftalta_I agree with Daisy13:55
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katomosprint :)13:56
eumel8yes, the plan was a virtual meet up13:56
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Daisyianychoi_phone: a virtual sprint is for solving problems.13:56
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ianychoi_phoneYep, I meant spring sprint kk13:57
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DaisyAt the beginning, I'm think about the translation check website. Then I don't know who are able to help to solve this problem.13:58
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Daisylet's say, if I organize a virtual sprint to set up translation check website, will you join and help ?13:58
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katomoDaisy: yep13:59
ianychoi_phoneSure, definitely! Why not? :)13:59
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DaisyGood! That make me much confident.13:59
amotoki /FYI/ andreas and i are working on translation setup improvement.
jftalta_Honestly,it will be hard for me13:59
Daisyhow about next weekend ?14:00
amotokiif you are interested in them, check it.14:00
DaisyI mean, the virtual sprint ?14:00
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ianychoi_phoneNice :)14:00
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eumel8the next I'm on holiday.14:00
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eumel8or you mean 01/30 ?14:01
DaisyYes, eumel8 .14:01
DaisyLet's plan for 2 days.14:01
eumel8ah, thats good14:01
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DaisyA friday and a  saturday.14:01
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ujuc29, 30?14:01
DaisyWe start from 29.14:01
katomoI'm okay as of now14:02
DaisyYes. ujuc . we start from 29 UTC 0600.14:02
ujuc...friday 3pm.. ... ...14:02
DaisyMaybe Friday evening.14:03
DaisyI don't know if there are meeting after us.14:03
DaisyI have to stop it. Let14:03
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Daisylet's move to i18n channel to continue the discussion.14:03
ujucoh yes14:03
ianychoi_phoneThanks for all :)14:03
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DaisyThank you for joining. Go to #openstack-i18n then.14:04
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jftalta_Thanx Daisy, thank you all. It was a great meeting :)14:04
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gordc#startmeeting telemetry15:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Jan 21 15:01:28 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is gordc. Information about MeetBot at
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'telemetry'15:01
gordclet's go.15:02
gordc#topic roadmap items (new/old/blockers)
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gordcjust a heads up15:02
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gordctoday i tagged and released m-2 releases for aodh and ceilometer15:02
gordci will start with liberty releases soon (if gate works)15:02
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gordcand i will also tag whatever is last commit in ceilometerclient15:03
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gordcplesae yell now if you need something (it's already too late for m-2)15:03
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cdentI NEED A PIZZA15:04
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gordcthe pizza shop near me closed for renovations15:04
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gordcok. well just a reminder,
gordcyou have ~a month until feature freeze15:06
gordcif anything is dragging, please raise concerns asap15:06
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ildikovI hope I can get the docco in by then for Aodh, I have a +2 now :)15:06
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gordcildikov: :)15:07
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gordcildikov: i don't want to debbie downer again but we will probably need to update again later:
gordcildikov: but let's get your patch in first.15:07
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gordcok. let's talk about each project15:08
gordc#topic aodh topics15:08
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gordcllu-laptop: do you think the event-alarm timeout and multi-worker bps will be done this cycle?15:09
llu-laptopI should ask edwin-zhai about that.15:10
llu-laptoplooks  like his bp still needs review15:10
ildikovgordc: well, let's get this in first and then I'll update15:10
llu-laptopfor the multi-worker, I currently don't have the bandwidth for that, sorry15:10
ildikovgordc: the packaging is still not sorted out either as far as I checked last time :(15:11
gordcllu-laptop: sure, let's defer it then unless you find time.15:11
gordcildikov: i believe ubuntu just made package recently. EmilienM ?15:11
gordcaodh ubuntu? ready finally?15:12
EmilienMfor aodh -> yes and it works on mitaka only (trusty and after)15:12
ildikovgordc: would be cool, I will check SUSE too, haven't done it this week15:12
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EmilienMfor gnocchi: nothing. I created the bug15:12
EmilienMno reply15:12
llu-laptopr-mibu: do you have time to review edwin's event alarm related spec?15:12
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gordcEmilienM: surprise.15:12
EmilienMgordc: can I quit?15:12
ildikovEmilienM: great, thanks for the update15:12
gordcwrong window15:12
gordcwe all quit later. but it's secret15:13
r-mibullu-laptop: yep, i've already reviewed #23931215:13
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gordcpradk: do you think you'll get gnocchi alarm rules in soon?15:13
gordcr-mibu: thanks!15:13
r-mibullu-laptop: will check #25816315:13
llu-laptopr-mibu: thx15:13
llu-laptopr-mibu: can you +2 for 239312?15:14
pradkpradk, yea i saw some comments from llu i'll address today.. Zi said he wants to look at tests, i'll check what the status is15:14
r-mibullu-laptop: yes15:14
pradkgordc, ^^15:14
r-mibullu-laptop: do we have spec for multi-worker?15:14
llu-laptopr-mibu: i'm afraid not15:14
gordcpradk: kk. i'm just waiting on tests i think.15:15
r-mibullu-laptop: ok15:15
gordcr-mibu: we will probably delay it unles we get more resource.15:15
llu-laptoppradk: what comment?15:15
r-mibugordc: agree15:15
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gordcpradk: let's aim for aodhclient release next week? ok with you?15:16
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pradkgordc, yea15:16
gordcpradk: cool cool15:16
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gordc#action release aodhclient next week when gnocchi rules are in15:19
gordc#action delay event multi-worker15:19
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gordc#topic ceilometer topics15:19
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gordci guess nothing here. just keep working...15:20
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gordc_nadya_: any comments on
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_nadya_gordc: based on logs, it works better :)15:21
_nadya_gordc: but delta graph is the same, we discussed that15:21
gordc_nadya_: that's better.15:22
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gordc_nadya_: i see. i'll take a look at doc again. the deltas will definitely be off once any agent join/leaves15:22
gordc_nadya_: thanks again for studying this.15:22
_nadya_gordc: we need be merged15:22
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gordc_nadya_: ack. i'll take a look again.15:23
liusheng_nadya_: thanks, I just updated the spec15:23
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_nadya_gordc: thanks!15:23
gordcllu-laptop: jd__: sileht: if you have time to review polling spec ^15:23
_nadya_liusheng: cool!15:23
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_nadya_jfyi, the PoC is here
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llu-laptopthis one?15:25
gordcllu-laptop: correct15:25
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_nadya_ityaptin: do you have anything regarding this^^?15:25
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llu-laptopwill do15:26
ityaptinPoC is out-of-date, because the spec have been updated, but I made some tests15:26
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gordcllu-laptop: thank you.15:26
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liusheng_nadya_: the change will be smaller if we agree to a global cache directly by pollsters15:26
gordcityaptin: cool cool15:27
ityaptinIt's works good with metadata updating period = 600s and cpu and network polling interval = 1s, for the 50 VMs on devstack.15:27
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gordcityaptin: nice. that sounds promising.15:27
ityaptinUnfortunately, I don't have a good lab with many compute for testing it.15:27
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gordcityaptin: it's optional right? 'global' cache?15:28
ityaptinIn the new spec variant I think yes.15:28
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ityaptinliusheng: Am I right? Without global cache we can to store cache in the polling agent cache15:29
gordck. sounds good.15:29
liushengityaptin: if you have any suggestion about the spec, please feel free to comment15:30
ityaptinliusheng: in progress :)15:30
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liushengityaptin: without global cache, it seems meaningless, right?15:31
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gordcliusheng: the suggestion is people can still continue to use polling as it currently works15:31
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gordcbut if they want to minimise queries more, then can switch to global cache15:32
liushenggordc: yeah, I agree that15:32
gordccool cool.15:32
gordclet's change to gnocchi.15:33
gordc#topic gnocchi topics15:33
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gordcjd__: sileht: interesting stuff that needs to be discussed?15:33
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gordcshould we publish an update to say what's been done for gnocchi since <time>?15:34
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jd__we could gather release note I guess15:34
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jd__I didn't spend time digging into reno, and if it can be integrated into our docco15:35
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gordcjd__: it's a lot of work. tbh15:35
jd__gordc: to write it?15:35
gordcyou need to gen template, write something in a section...15:36
gordci guess it's just two steps... ijust don't like writing relesae notes i guess15:36
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gordc*drop either one of the 'i guess' from sentence above*15:37
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gordclet's move on.15:38
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gordc#topic open discussion15:38
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gordcjust an fyi, we have same opportunity to ask a question in openstack survey this cycle15:38
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gordci don't really have a question to ask but if anyone does, i need to submit something by today.15:39
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gordci'll take that as no...15:40
gordclast chance for any additional discussions in this meeting...15:40
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llu-laptopcan we reuse our last cycle's question?15:41
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llu-laptoponly 1 question?15:41
gordcllu-laptop: was it helpful?15:41
gordcllu-laptop: yes, one question. same format15:41
gordcllu-laptop: i believe the reply from last cycle was pretty much 'we ues ceilometer data for everythiing'15:42
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llu-laptopi'm just wondering if this survey will have more response, because it's conducted by openstack official?15:43
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gordcllu-laptop: it probably will.15:44
gordci don't remember the actual numbers15:44
llu-laptoplast one seems about 20ish?15:44
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llu-laptopbut only 1 question I doubt how it's helpful15:45
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gordc154 replies15:45
gordcfrom official survey15:45
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ildikovwe can try that once more if we don't have anything else15:45
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ildikovprolly will not hurt15:46
llu-laptophmm, looks like my memory is in chaos15:46
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gordcildikov: did we get a lot of value from learning 'use of ceilometer data'?15:47
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ildikovgordc: maybe not, we needed to improve things anyway regardless of the answer of everything15:48
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gordccorrect. i believe the same question we ask last time was asked at ops midcycle as well.15:49
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ildikovgordc: I guess it's too early asking about Aodh as the packaging did not happen that fast15:49
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gordcildikov: on ubuntu15:49
gordcand suse15:49
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gordcbut yeah, i don't think there's enough changes to aodh just yet15:49
ildikovdo we have anything to ask about Gnocchi?15:50
gordcjd__: ^ ?15:50
ildikovdo we know whether people are using it with Ceilo or stand alone?15:50
gordcildikov: i believe that is only packaged in fedora15:50
ildikovgordc: you mean Gnocchi?15:50
gordcildikov: correct15:50
gordcand debuan.15:51
gordcbug sitting around against ubuntu15:51
gordcso same as aodh 5 months ago15:51
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jd__gordc: not really I guess15:52
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gordcjd__: kk15:52
llu-laptopspeaking of aodh, does anyone know that is part of ?15:52
ildikovno other question ideas :)15:53
gordcllu-laptop: ildikov if you feel strongly about re-asking same question let me know after meeting. (not 100% against it)15:53
llu-laptopbecause gives me nothing, but I can access
gordcllu-laptop: i'll take a look.15:53
gordci don't really use search in launchpad because it's not really useful15:54
llu-laptopit's generated by cliking bp tag in gerrit15:54
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gordci see. i'll check after this.15:55
gordcanything else? close this off?15:55
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gordclet's shut er down. thanks folks15:55
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Sam-I-Amnetworking guide meeting time16:01
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Sam-I-Am#startmeeting networking-guide16:02
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Sam-I-Amanyone here for the networking guide meeting?16:03
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Sam-I-Ampast action items16:03
Sam-I-Am#topic past action items16:03
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Sam-I-Amwe're trying to get people to commit content to the networking guide16:04
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Sam-I-Amif you think you can help out, put your name next to the item and approximately when you think you can complete it16:04
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Sam-I-Amwe're primarily looking to fill out the intro content so people can understand the underlying concepts of virtual networking16:05
Sam-I-Am#topic preparation for liberty/mitaka16:05
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Sam-I-Amthe patch for master merged16:06
Sam-I-Amthe backport to liberty is waiting16:06
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Sam-I-Amthis patch essentially resolves a bunch of issues regarding conventions16:07
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Sam-I-Ammight as well fix them all at once16:07
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Sam-I-Ami also have another patch that updates the scenarios for liberty16:07
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jreeveswell, that's a giant commit16:08
Sam-I-Amwe're a little bit behind in net guide updates, so with the new versioning going on, we have to backport these changes16:08
Sam-I-Amonce they're done, we need to do a final cleanup on the liberty stuff and begin working on mitaka updates16:08
Sam-I-Amwhich shouldnt be too much at this point16:08
Sam-I-Amwhich leads me to the next topic16:08
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Sam-I-Amjreeves: yeah it is16:09
Sam-I-Amjreeves: its really not *that* bad16:09
Sam-I-Amunless you're talking about the first patch with all the renames16:09
Sam-I-Amthat one IS pretty big16:09
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Sam-I-Am#topic scenario changes for mitaka16:10
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Sam-I-Amthe ongoing question is do we add support for connecting vms directly to provider nets to the existing scenarios or add new scenarios. the idea is providing the most flexibility without confusing the end-user.16:11
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Sam-I-Amwe see a lot of interest in hybrid environments where operators can avoid L3 if necessary16:11
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Sam-I-Amit might help to reorder the scenarios in order of general complexity16:12
Sam-I-Amstarting with basic provider nets and going up to dvr16:12
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Sam-I-Amother changes include adding multiple dhcp agents to the l3ha and dvr scenarios16:13
Sam-I-Amadding support for the metadata agent to the provider scenarios16:13
Sam-I-Ambunch of little stuff16:13
Sam-I-Amthats it on the agena16:13
Sam-I-Amanything anyone wants to talk about?16:13
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lwilliamsi like your idea of putting into order of complexity..   maybe easier to build upon existing that way.  nothing to add to the agenda.16:14
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lwilliamsin etherpad overview info...what does (L) (H) mean..sorry if i missed that.  is that someone signed up for the content?16:15
Sam-I-Amlwilliams: oh, priority16:15
Sam-I-AmL is low, H is high16:15
lwilliamsok, thx16:15
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Sam-I-Amanything else?16:16
Sam-I-Amhearing nothing, let's call it a meeting.16:16
lwilliamsnot from me16:16
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Sam-I-Amthanks for attending. back to work!16:16
ssrikantnot from me16:16
lwilliamsthx Sam-I-Am16:17
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mtreinish#startmeeting qa17:02
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mtreinishhi who's here today?17:02
jordanPI'll be a bit afk today17:02
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mtreinish^^^ today's agenda17:03
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mtreinishok, lets get started17:04
mtreinish#topic QA Code Sprint17:04
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mtreinishthis is just a reminder about the code sprint next month17:04
mtreinishif you plan to attend be sure to put your name on the registration table at the bottom of the wiki17:05
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mtreinishthat's all I had on this topic, is there anything else on it?17:05
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mtreinishok, then lets move on17:06
mtreinish#topic Specs Reviews17:06
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mtreinishdoes anyone have any open spec reviews they'd like to discuss?17:07
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dwalleckI do. I put up the tempest run spec earlier this week -
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dwalleckI'd appreciate any comments or feedback. This is all based on what we talked about in Tokyo17:07
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mtreinishyeah, I need to take a look at that17:09
dwalleckAlso, if there's any higher priority stuff that needs to be done, let me know. I've got a lot of open bandwidth17:09
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jordanPyeah, I haven"t read that spec either :(17:09
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mtreinishok, are there any other specs to discuss?17:11
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slowriemtreinish: I updated the centralized workspaces ( based on your comments in the first patch set17:11
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mtreinishok, I'll have to swing back to that one too17:12
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mtreinishok, lets move on17:14
mtreinish#topic Priority Items17:14
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mtreinishso this week is m-217:15
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mtreinishand there were a couple of m-2 targetted items on the list17:15
mtreinishstarting from the top, sc68cal and the neutron devstack rewrite (or at least part of it)...17:15
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mtreinishthere's also the service client migrations which oomichi has his name next to17:16
mtreinishwhich I think is making progress but isn't quite done yet17:16
mtreinishI'll follow up with him about that later17:17
mtreinishnext on the list is jordanP and the tempest-lib migrations17:17
mtreinishjordanP: any update on that?17:17
jordanPyeah, not really, quite frankly I have very little time now17:17
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mtreinishok, no worries17:17
jordanPif someone would want to take over this item17:18
jordanPthat would be fine with me17:18
jordanPnot the most sexy work though17:18
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mtreinishok, I'll make a note on the etherpad, and see if someone else will take it over17:18
dwalleckjordanP: I might be able to help you out there. Can I ping you later?17:18
jordanPit will be late now here, but tomorrow for sure17:19
jlanouxI'm on the ss validation one but I don't think it will make m-217:19
mtreinishthe last m2 targetted item is Finalize ssh-auth bp (andreaf, jlanoux)17:19
jordanPyep, that's in the review list17:19
jordanPConsolidate SSH code (jordanP):
jordanPmy bad17:19
jlanouxmtreinish: I have a couple of patch that needs to go in17:19
jordanPwrong review :(17:19
mtreinishheh, ok17:20
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mtreinishjordanP: do you have a link?17:20
jlanouxactually this is one of them17:20
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jlanouxWhen those 2 are in, I think we can close the ssh-blueprint, if andreaf is ok17:21
jlanouxAnd I can migrate compute and remote_client in tempest_lib17:22
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mtreinishok, I'll take a look17:22
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jordanPI have a comment on patchset 6 for the file remote_client.py17:22
jordanPon 26432317:22
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jordanPmy point is, should the remote client, given it is passed a "server" argument17:23
jordanPshould inspect that server argument to detect and connect to a floating ip17:23
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jordanPor, do we want  to have an extra argument named "floatingip" for that RemoteClient ?17:24
mtreinishjordanP: I think we should just look at the server object17:24
jordanPme too17:24
mtreinishit's all in there anyway17:24
jlanouxI don't think we should17:24
mtreinishalso I think nova has an api for specifying the ip to use on a server. accessIP or soemthing like that17:24
jordanPthe thing is, on some super rare cases not exerciced in Tempest,  a server could have 2 floating IP (because it has 2 NICs)17:24
jlanouxdiscovery will be a complex mechanism to implement and it doesn't bring anyting17:24
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jordanPit's super easy, we are already iterating on the ADDRESSES attribute of the server, to detect its fixed ip17:25
dwalleckmtreinish: The AccessIPv* is just a copy of the public (if you have a public network) IP adress17:25
jordanPjust do the same for the FIP17:25
jlanouxon a customer point of view, this is not realistic17:25
jlanouxjordanP: if you have multiple FIP, it is not17:25
mtreinishdwalleck: right, but it tells the user which IP to use17:25
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mtreinishwhich is the problem here17:26
jordanPjlanoux,  yeah but then in that case we can read the conf.network_for_ssh17:26
dwalleckTo me the question from a separation of concerns standpoint is if the remote client should be making that decision. It really feels like something outside the remote client should decide that17:26
jordanPjlanoux, ok, you are the owner of that patch anyway, if you don"t feel like it, I am fine17:26
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jordanPthe current code does not do inspection, so no change required17:27
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jordanPI think it would be nice, but not mandatory for that patch to go in17:27
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jlanouxjordanP: ok17:28
mtreinishdwalleck: there are too many layers right now, I don't think it's so clear cut17:28
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jlanouxI don't see the point for a discovery of any IP. As a user I create an IP and I want to use it.17:28
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dwalleckmtreinish: That's very true. It would be nice to re-design the process from scratch with a design in mind, but I don't know if there's an appetite for that17:29
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jlanouxI'm thinking of extending the scope of the remote_client, perhaps let it deal with ssh resources17:29
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jlanouxso the creating and association happens in the remote and we don't need to pass 10000 arguments17:30
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jordanPjlanoux, later maybe17:31
jordanPenough layer for now :)17:31
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jlanouxjordanP: of course - but it will remove layers :)17:32
mtreinishok, is there anything else on mitaka priorities?17:32
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mtreinishoh ttx had an openstack-health m2 goal17:32
mtreinishbut that was half a joke17:32
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mtreinish#topic Tempest17:33
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mtreinishso there are quite links on the agenda for tempest17:34
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mtreinishjordanP: want to tackle yours first17:34
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jordanPso was +A now17:35
jordanPso it's not relevant to discuss anymore17:35
jordanPand Consolidate SSH code (jordanP):
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mtreinishheh, didn't we just discuss that one :)17:36
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jordanPafter discussion with jlanoux right now, he doesn"t want to do discovery of the floating IP17:36
jordanPyeah, exactly17:36
jordanPso I am good now :)17:36
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jordanPI will +2 that patch17:37
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mtreinishok, that was easy :)17:37
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jlanouxthanks jordanP :)17:37
mtreinishthe other link on the agenda was:17:37
mtreinishI don't know who added that one though17:37
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jordanPsomeone from Japan17:38
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jordanPi added it to the wiki17:38
jordanPbut the patch is from someone in japan17:38
jordanPso that patch seems related to tempest plugin obviously17:38
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jordanPit could conflict with what andreaf is doing17:38
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jordanPas far as I understand the 2-line patch, it should help people writting plugin, so that they could use their custom clientsManager17:39
mtreinishwell, I don't know if it conflicts with that. I don't see the harm with it17:39
mtreinishyeah, it just lets a subclass override the clientManager class a bit more easily17:40
mtreinishI mean I don't like encouraging using tempest internals externally, but I don't think we need to go out of way to make it hard17:40
mtreinishespecially since tempest-lib isnt all there yet17:40
andreafjordanP, mtreinish: ok - well it doesn't help removing the dependency from tempest17:40
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andreafjordanP, mtreinish: but I'm not specifically against it either17:41
mtreinishok, is there anything else on tempest for this week?17:42
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jordanPnot from me17:43
mtreinishok, then let's move on17:43
mtreinish#topic DevStack + Grenade17:43
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mtreinishdoes anyone have anything to discuss on devstack or grenade this week?17:43
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mtreinishok, I guess not17:45
mtreinishlet's move on then17:45
mtreinish#topic Critical Reviews17:45
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mtreinishDoes anyone have any reviews they'd like to get extra eyes on?17:46
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mtreinishreally, no reviews this week? :)17:47
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jlanoux:) I gave mine earlier17:48
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mtreinishok, if there aren't any reviews I'll guess we'll open the floor17:48
mtreinish#topic Open Discussion17:49
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mtreinishdoes anyone have anything else they'd like to discuss17:49
mtreinishnow is the change to bring it up17:49
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mtreinishok, if there isn't anything else to discuss today, I guess we'll end here17:52
mtreinishthanks everyone17:52
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stevemardtroyer: poke19:01
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dtroyer#startmeeting openstackclient19:03
openstackMeeting started Thu Jan 21 19:03:04 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is dtroyer. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:03
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stevemardtroyer: i am swamped with keystoney mitaka-2 stuff19:04
dtroyercourtesy ping: dhellmann, terrylhowe, lhcheng, dstanek, MeganR19:04
stevemardtroyer: you reviewed a whole bunch of stuff last week19:04
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dtroyerstevemar: sure.  I really don't have much new anyway19:04
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dtroyerI think getting to the next release point WRT network commands is still the priority19:05
dtroyeris terry out this week?  I haven't seen him in IRC for a while19:06
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stevemardtroyer: probably, haven't seen much of him either19:07
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dtroyerthis may be quick…  I'll wait a few more minutes then call it if no one else shows19:07
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stevemardtroyer: terry *just* reviewed a patch19:09
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rtheissorry, I'm late19:09
stevemarwelcome welcome19:10
dtroyerooooh, youse guys were close… I almost called it a day ;)19:10
stevemarsit in the front row19:10
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dtroyerok, well we've got a few here, this still may be short19:11
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dtroyeraha!  another keystone dev ;)  this is good as the one thing I wanted to ask about is connected to KSC19:11
dtroyer#topic bugs19:12
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dtroyergoing through some older bugs i came across
openstackLaunchpad bug 1391116 in python-openstackclient "password prompts should check for empty string" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Tang Chen (tangchen)19:12
stevemardtroyer: we're everywhere19:12
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stevemardtroyer: i asked tangchen to open that bug19:13
dtroyerI'm curious why thedata validation shouldn;t be in the KSC python lib rather than in OSC19:13
stevemarthe issue is worse when shown in OSC19:13
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stevemarso in OSC and KSC, on a user create and update call, you can set the password to be ""19:13
dtroyerright.  is that valid?19:14
stevemardtroyer: we have no requirements about passwords19:14
dtroyerok, so it is valid19:14
dtroyerbut apparently it is unusable?19:14
stevemarthe issue crops up on authentication19:14
dtroyerright.  should it work with an empty password?19:14
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lhcheng_fwiw, we made password mandatory field in horizon, it can't be empty.19:15
dtroyergood to know19:15
stevemarso i *think* this works if you do a straight REST call to keystone and authenticate19:15
stevemarand i think it works with KSC using auth plugins19:15
stevemarbut if you set OS_PASSWORD="" for OSC, it fails19:15
dtroyeris that the real bug then?19:16
stevemari might be mis-remembering ...19:16
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stevemari'm not sure, i asked him to log the bug so we could chat about it here19:16
dtroyerI think I have always assumed that empty password was not valid19:16
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stevemarso whats the harm in preventing an empty password for create and update?19:16
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dtroyerI don't know there is any other than really bad practice19:17
dtroyeror we could take the Horizon position and decide it is not allowd19:17
dtroyerit sounds as if KSC has stated it will not prevent empty passwords19:17
dtroyeris stating19:18
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dtroyerok, so I think I understand now19:19
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dtroyerHorizon has decided to not accept empty passwords19:19
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dtroyerKeystone and KSC allow them and are not going to prevent them19:19
stevemarthat sums it up19:19
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dtroyerso it is up to OSC to decide what to do: fix OS_PASSWORD="" or disallow empty passwords19:20
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dtroyeropinions anyone?19:20
dtroyerI can argue both sides19:20
lhcheng_one of OSC's goal is to improve usability, sounds like making password required achieve that goal?19:21
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lhcheng_allowing empty password would just cause headache for users.19:21
clarkbseems like that should be decided by the api19:21
MeganRis there a use case for allowing empty paswords?19:21
dtroyerthe danger there is say another app sets an empty password, we could be getting in the way of that being usable19:21
clarkbif empty passwords are a problem fix it in the api19:21
dtroyerclarkb: that's my thinking19:21
lhcheng_dtroyer: good point19:22
dtroyerso it sounds like we should fix OSC to accept empty passwords for auth?19:23
stevemarcause right now, i can do `os user create bob` and it works for v3
stevemarbut bob will never be able to authenticate now :(19:24
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dtroyerright.  ok, I'll clarify the bug so I don't forget this conversation…19:25
lhcheng_a use case I could think of where empty password would happen is during a enterprise user account creation workflow, the account could be created by an admin with empty password. then on user logging on first time (passing a nonce), they are prompted for the password.19:25
dtroyereven though this is different than Horizon, it is more permissive19:25
dtroyerlhcheng_: good example19:25
lhcheng_but that's too custom of a use case.. something we did for the public cloud.19:26
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MeganR@lhcheng: thank you19:26
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dtroyerbug updated19:27
dtroyerany other bugs anyone wants to talk about?19:28
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stevemardtroyer: there was one about trusts...19:28
stevemardtroyer: i filed it last week:
openstackLaunchpad bug 1535190 in python-openstackclient "cannot use trust based authentication with osc" [Undecided,New]19:29
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stevemari think it's partly related to
openstackLaunchpad bug 1533369 in python-openstackclient "moving authentication from keystoneclient to keystoneauth" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Navid Pustchi (npustchi)19:29
dtroyerdo you have an idea of what needs to be done there?19:29
stevemardtroyer: i think it comes down to untangling the osc-ksa-occ mess19:30
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dtroyerI'm regretting occ now, fwiw19:30
stevemardtroyer: there is at least one little bit we can fix, that's to allow TRUST_ID as a scope, in addition to PROJECT and DOMAIN19:31
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stevemarafter that, i'm not sure whats going on, it seems like the scope isn't being set, so i get an empty catalog19:31
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dtroyerdoes that come from the env/CLI/clouds.yaml?19:32
stevemardtroyer: the trust id?19:33
stevemardtroyer: think of it as an alternate to project_id19:33
stevemarso it'll come from CLI/env19:33
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stevemardtroyer: just wanted to bring it to the groups attention, i don't know when i can work on it19:35
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dtroyernp, it helps me understand how we handle trusts19:36
dtroyerany other bugs?19:36
dtroyer#topic reviews19:37
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dtroyerhow about reviews?19:37
stevemari've been neglecting reviews19:37
stevemardid the logging one land?19:37
dtroyerI think I said something and Akihiro abandoned them19:38
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lhcheng_Akihiro have a new patch up, I haven't got the chance to browse through it19:38
dtroyerwell, the three bulk update ones19:38
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lhcheng_ this is the new one19:39
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dtroyeryeah, I haven't looked at it yet either19:40
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dtroyerI may jump on to get it in19:41
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stevemarwow thats an early number19:41
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dtroyerI think it was from is original set of commands19:41
stevemardtroyer: do it up19:42
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dtroyerit looks like got stuck last week, although I'm not sure we need to hold up the release for it fi it isn't ready19:43
rtheisyeah, that is behind
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dtroyerah, ok19:44
rtheisfor the refactor of existing network commands over to neutron19:44
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dtroyerFWIW we have historically erred on the side of simplicity and duplicated code19:46
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rtheisthanks, good to know19:46
dtroyerI'd like to do a release next week if possible, do we need to wait for this?19:47
rtheisI don't think we do19:47
dtroyerany other reviews?19:48
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rtheisI have a couple on moving availability zones to common: and
dtroyerone more:  stevemar, you had previously +2 it but a couple of changes were made that I don't want to just push it in...19:50
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stevemaroh, i wanted to test it out19:52
dtroyerrtheis: right.  I'll give them a look this afternoon, I don't see anything worrisome at a quick glance19:52
stevemarone reviewer had a good point19:52
rtheisdtroyer: thank you19:52
stevemardtroyer: you fix that thing gongysh mentioned?19:52
stevemarwhere he got the error even after using --project19:52
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dtroyeryes, I believe I did19:53
stevemari see it now19:53
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dtroyerI duplicated it and fixed it for me, but my setup isn't the most representative19:53
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stevemardtroyer: too late now, i +W'ed!19:54
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dtroyerany others?19:54
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dtroyer#topic open discussion19:56
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dtroyer5 minutes, what is on your mind?19:56
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lhcheng_we got a new customer, searchlight is developing an osc plugin19:57
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lhcheng_dtroyer: do we have a doc/ guideline for resource namespacing?19:57
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dtroyerI recall writing a bit on that, I think it's in the docs19:58
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lhcheng_they had dash on their resource name, I asked them to fix that.  I can't find a reference where we don't recommend that.19:58
dtroyernow I am curious where I put that stuff19:59
dtroyerI don't see it in the repo docs19:59
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stevemardtroyer: in the ether20:00
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dtroyerthanks everyone20:00
lhcheng_thanks dtroyer20:00
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ctrathnova mtg?21:04
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mriedemi could run it21:05
mriedem#startmeeting nova21:05
openstackMeeting started Thu Jan 21 21:05:17 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mriedem. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:05
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'nova'21:05
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* Vek waves21:05
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melwitthow do you like it at o/21:05
mriedemso we're winging it today21:06
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mriedem#link agenda
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mriedem#topic release status21:06
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mriedemJan 21: Nova non-priority feature freeze21:06
mriedemas most people know21:06
mriedemtoday is the day to get non-priority BPs in21:06
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mriedemi was told this morning that anything that has 2 +2s on it will still get in despite the gate backup21:06
mriedemwhich will probably last over the weekend21:07
mriedemfor the rest, i'm assuming there will be an exception process/period21:07
mriedemJan 19-21: mitaka-221:07
mriedemi'm not sure if m-2 happened yet21:07
mriedemwe were waiting on some fixes to merge21:07
mriedemin here
mriedem#link mitaka priorities tracking
mriedem1 of 3 in that list are merged21:08
mriedemone is approved21:08
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mriedemthe other is not
mriedemoh wait yeah it is21:08
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mriedemso i guess m-2 will wait until those are all merged, so probably next week21:09
mriedemquestions about any of that?21:09
mriedem#topic regular reminders21:09
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mriedemalready posted that once21:09
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mriedemso for the rest of the release it's going to be focusing on getting the priorities done (as much as possible) and bug fixing/stabilization21:10
mriedem#topic bugs21:10
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mriedemgate status....21:10
mriedemso, it's bad21:10
mriedemthe grenade multinode job was made non-voting21:10
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edleafe"How bad is it?21:11
mriedemwhich should help, but there was a gate reset so everything was re-queued21:11
* cdent gently slaps edleafe 21:11
mriedemhence 30+ hour gate times21:11
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anteayawell that and pip21:11
anteayastill waiting on travis for release of virtualenv 14.0.121:12
mriedemyeah, that was a few days ago though21:12
mriedemone of many disasters this week21:12
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mriedemanyway, that's what i know of at least so far, nothing new beyond that21:12
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mriedem#topic 3rd party ci status21:12
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mriedemi guess 2 things here21:12
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mriedem1. vmware nsx ci was taking 3.5+ days to report on changes21:13
mriedemso something snuck in which broke spawn for vcenter, which is not good21:13
mriedemi've added that patch to the m-2 list21:13
mriedemanyway, i'm hoping tjones and the vmware people can figure out why it's taking nearly 4 days for a reply21:13
mriedem2. hyper-v ci was failing a lot this week21:14
tjonesyes we are looking at it.  trying to add more resources to it21:14
mriedemclaudiub: do you know anything about the hyper-v ci status?21:14
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mriedemtaking that as a no21:14
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claudiubmriedem: hello, yeah, I am investigating it. I've fixed quite a few of them21:14
mriedemanyway, it's not gating so it's not blocking anything, just fyi21:14
mriedemclaudiub: oh hi21:14
mriedemclaudiub: anything you want to share or just 'we're working on it?'21:15
claudiubmriedem: there are still a couple of them, plus, there are some neutron related issues that we have to deal with21:15
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mriedemok, i guess let us know if there is anything needed on the nova side21:15
claudiubmriedem: plus, there seems to be some tests that are always failing due to some weird circumstances.21:15
claudiubmriedem: yeah, there's a mini-patch that would really help me on fixing the hyper-v ci21:16
* claudiub fetching link21:16
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claudiubbasically, it keeps the original exception's trace21:17
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mriedem#note please help review
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* mriedem assumes that is a valid meeting tag21:17
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mriedem#help review
anteayaI think #info is21:17
anteayaI don't know about #note21:17
mriedemhelp is too21:17
claudiubotherwise, the original trace is lost, losing valuable debugging information.21:17
mriedemclaudiub: ok, i'll review after the meeting, it's small21:18
mriedemshouldn't be a problem21:18
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mriedemmoving on21:18
mriedem#topic critical bugs21:18
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mriedemall i know of is
openstackLaunchpad bug 1536718 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "VMware: unable to boot an instance" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Gary Kotton (garyk)21:18
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mriedemwhich the change is approved21:18
mriedemanyone else have any critical bugs?21:18
markus_zthe reno one is also done?21:18
mriedemmarkus_z: link?21:18
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openstackLaunchpad bug 1534613 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "warnings in stable/liberty release notes are breaking releasenotes job in master" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Matt Riedemann (mriedem)21:18
mriedemmarkus_z: that was fixed earlier in the week21:19
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mriedemdhellmann graciously held my hand through that one21:19
markus_zok, cool, it wasn't totally clear to me21:19
mriedem#info dhellmann is the man21:19
mriedemanteaya: ^ there21:19
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mriedemmarkus_z: yeah closes it21:19
anteayayes #help and #info are commands, #note is not21:19
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edleafe#note '#note' is not a command21:20
mriedem#topic bug reminders21:20
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mriedemvolunteers for 1 week of bug skimming duty? Weekly_bug_skimming_duty21:20
anteayaand dhellman is the man21:20
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mriedemwe need a bug skimmer for next week if anyone wants to volunteer21:21
mriedemdoesn't have to happen here21:21
markus_zyeah, there is a ML post too21:21
mriedemNova bugs team IRC meeting will start at February the 9th
mriedem#info Nova bugs team IRC meeting will start at February the 9th
markus_zjust as a heads up21:21
mriedem#topic stable branch status21:21
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mriedemwe released liberty 12.0.1 earlier in the week21:22
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mriedemto much fanfair21:22
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mriedemalso, tonyb is now nova stable core, so everyone can bug him now21:22
anteayayay tonyb21:22
markus_zhooray for tonyb :)21:22
jaypipesif we can understand his funny words.21:22
mriedemstable/kilo will release soonish, i'm told21:23
jrollyou don't need to understand his words to ping him incessantly :)21:23
mriedemDaviey is running the stable/kilo release21:23
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mriedemonce stable/kilo is released, we'll need to scrub through,n,z and filter out anything that's not a security or critical bug fix21:23
mrdatonyb: does sound funny, even to Australians21:23
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Vekhaha :)21:24
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mriedem#topic stuck reviews21:24
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mriedemthere was nothing on the agenda21:24
mriedemso i take it we're all in agreement about all things21:24
mriedemexcept cinder multiattach, which we'll discuss at the midcycle21:24
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mriedemanyone else for stuck reviews?21:24
vladikrmriedem, I have a libosinfo series :
vladikrmriedem, it has danpbs +221:25
mriedemvladikr: stuck does not mean not getting reviewed21:25
vladikrok :)21:25
mriedemso please don't solicit for reviews here21:25
VekI've sent a couple of novaclient reviews over to the -dev list, but I haven't seen anyone respond to those emails...21:25
thomasemmriedem: Sorry for my ignorance... how would you define a stuck review?21:25
mriedemthomasem: the same way the meeting agenda does21:25
mriedem"Please note "stuck review" means a review where there is some disagreement that needs resolving. Its not for reviews that just haven't had attention, except for exceptional cases. Where you see "?" feel free to just edit the wiki and add your item."21:25
Vekthomasem: a review where two reviewers are pulling in opposite directions, I think...21:26
thomasemOh, crud. Sorry. Didn't notice that on the page. :(21:26
mriedemwalked right into that trap21:26
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thomasemOkay, yeah, not having that problem with my review.21:26
thomasemLOL right21:26
thomasemWell, fyi for anyone else who didn't catch it so they don't look stupid like me ^^21:26
mriedemvladikr: ok, i guess you still technically have the rest of the day on those for non-priority bp feature freeze21:26
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vladikrmriedem, ok21:27
mriedem#topic open discussion21:27
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mriedemmidcycle details21:27
mriedem#link midcycle wiki
mriedem#link midcycle topics
mriedemif you have topics for the midcycle ^ is where they go21:28
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mriedemi think wed we have some time with the cinder midcycle21:28
mriedemover hangout21:28
mriedemwed afternoon in bristol, wed morning in rtp21:28
mriedemit should be fun21:28
mriedemanything else about the midcycle?21:29
scottdamriedem: yup, that's the plan21:29
anteayaneutron items seem to be in place21:29
mriedemi'm going to skip the TC review for containers in the compute mission that was in the agenda21:29
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mriedem(thomasem) Libvirt/LXC experimental gate test progress21:29
mriedem^ is old too i think21:29
edleafeany chance of listening in for those of us who can't make it to the UK?21:29
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thomasemSo, yes21:29
mriedemedleafe: maybe?21:30
mriedemedleafe: talk to PaulMurray21:30
thomasemGot a bug filed upstream. Found it's an issue with the kernel being used in gate21:30
edleafemriedem: will do21:30
mriedemthomasem: nice21:30
thomasemthe newest Trusty kernel has issues with Libvirt's virDomainShutdown21:30
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mriedemand releasing things?21:30
thomasemWhile upstream 3.13.x does not21:30
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anteayaI think .58 was what you said worked for you21:31
mriedemthomasem: ok, so that probably affects all tests in the job since they rely on instances to be deleted21:31
thomasemSo, we have this patch up to skip those tests while the bug is being worked. And here's the bug:
openstackLaunchpad bug 1536280 in linux (Ubuntu) "domain shutdown fails for libvirt/lxc" [Undecided,Confirmed]21:31
anteayawhere as we have .76 everywhere do to last tuesday's cve21:31
thomasemmriedem: It's only with Libvirt/LXC21:31
mriedemthomasem: yeah, but if you can't delete an instance you eventually go over quota21:31
mriedemor is this just stop?21:31
thomasemIt's only the way libvirt/LXC does the shutdown operation and how that interacts with the kernel that appears to be an issue.21:31
thomasemmriedem: just stop21:31
thomasemyou can still delete it21:31
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thomasemso virsh -c lxc:/// destroy still works21:32
mriedemah, ok21:32
thomasemit's just virsh -c lxc:/// stop <instance>21:32
thomasemthat fails21:32
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mriedemwe should probably put a note in our hypervisor support matrix for that21:32
thomasemSo, filed that bug, skipping the tests in that patch. Now gates just being painful and having resource issues on the slave it looks like... not sure where to go from there.21:32
mriedemi'll review the rc change at some point21:32
thomasemThat'd be very helpful. Thank you. I don't mind adding a note to the hypervisor matrix. Just need to find it. I haven't looked at it in a long, long time.21:33
mriedemthomasem: thanks for the work on this, it's cool to see it progressing21:33
mriedem(tpatzig) Flavor with volume option (
mriedemi'm assuming ^ is old b/c tpatzig isn't here21:33
thomasemmriedem: You bet! Thanks for the support. :)21:33
alaskiI don't think that's old21:33
mriedemit's also a spec and we're long past spec freeze21:33
alaskiI've commented on it21:34
mriedem- AL21:34
mriedemMLB AL has taken a stance21:34
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mriedem(sdague) Unit tests with constraints -
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mriedem^ is old21:35
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mriedemit looks like the 2 dependent changes merged for that21:36
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mriedemso maybe sdague will resurrect it next week21:36
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mriedemjenkins hates it right now though21:36
mriedem(sdague) What are acceptable constraints on project_id in url -
mriedemi think ^ is old?21:36
Vekjenkins hates just about everything right now, I think...21:36
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anteayayeah :(21:36
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anteayajenkins has had better weeks21:37
mriedemi think that ML was talked about last week and we had the change for a configurable project_id21:37
mriedemalaski: ^ right?21:37
* Vek thinks it heard about me threatening to rewrite jenkins from scratch and is quaking in its boots...21:37
alaskiwe did discuss it21:37
alaskiI'm not sure if a change went up21:37
mriedemok, and i'm pretty sure the change landed21:37
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mriedemyeah, i remember we nit picked all of sean's spelling issues21:37
mriedemit was good fun21:37
Vekhaha :)21:38
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mriedemand finally21:38
mriedem(thomasem, dimtruck) Update on Libvirt/LXC gate test progress21:38
mriedemwhich is a duplicate21:38
mriedemso ignoring21:38
mriedemanything else for open discussion?21:38
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mriedemi'll clean up the meeting agenda after this21:38
mriedemoh, also21:38
mriedem#info no nova meeting the week of 1/2121:38
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openstackRemoving item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Info object at 0x982ef90>21:38
mriedem#info no nova meeting on 1/2821:39
mriedemok, i don't hear anything else, will shut this down, thanks all21:39
claudiubquestion: can we still merge teeny patches related to os-brick in nova after m-2?21:39
mriedemclaudiub: bug fixes?21:39
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mriedemyes to bug fixes21:39
mriedemanything else will have to be evaluated21:39
claudiubmore like, using os-brick for volume related operations in hyper-v? :D21:40
mriedemthat's a bp21:40
mriedemat least in my mind21:40
mriedemit doesn't sound teeny21:40
claudiubit would be < 100 loc, IMO21:40
claudiubadded loc21:40
mriedemit's still a new dependency after feature freeze and not trivial21:40
alaskiit's a functional change21:40
mriedem*new dep for hyper-v21:40
mriedemso i think newton21:41
mriedemanyone for anything else?21:41
claudiubmeh, ok21:41
mriedemalright, thanks all, ttyl21:41
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