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| Sam-I-Am | anyone here for the apac version of the networking guide meeting? | 00:00 |
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| dhellmann | who's around for the release team meeting? | 14:00 |
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| dhellmann | ttx, dims: ping? | 14:00 |
| ttx | o/ | 14:01 |
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| dhellmann | o/ | 14:01 |
| dhellmann | #startmeeting releaseteam | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri Jan 22 14:01:20 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dhellmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
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| dhellmann | #info this is week R-11 | 14:01 |
| dhellmann | our agenda is in the etherpad as usual | 14:01 |
| dhellmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-relmgt-plan | 14:01 |
| dhellmann | #topic ttx to review release models for obvious errors | 14:02 |
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| dhellmann | wow, lots of discrepancies | 14:02 |
| ttx | had a bit of a fun moment this morning going through them all | 14:02 |
| ttx | soo | 14:02 |
| ttx | monasca is completely off | 14:02 |
| dhellmann | sigh | 14:03 |
| ttx | it has a large monasca deliverable in milestones mode | 14:03 |
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| ttx | but it releases piecemeal with different version numbers | 14:03 |
| ttx | *and* of course doesn't sync openstack/releases | 14:03 |
| ttx | looks like they need "the talk" | 14:03 |
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| dhellmann | shall we draw straws? | 14:04 |
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| ttx | I'm away next week | 14:04 |
| dhellmann | ok, I'll get in touch with rolland | 14:04 |
| dhellmann | #action dhellmann talk to monasca team about releases | 14:04 |
| ttx | next, we have a few neutron stadium projects | 14:04 |
| ttx | which use the milestones model, except they missed m1 and m2 | 14:05 |
| ttx | networking-ovn, octavia, vmware-nsx | 14:05 |
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| ttx | those should probably just switch to intermediary | 14:05 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I don't know if that makes them cycle-with-intermediary or just that they've missed a deadline | 14:05 |
| ttx | we should ping mestery and align | 14:05 |
| ttx | A few things did mitaka-1 but missed mitaka-2 | 14:06 |
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| ttx | That would be *astara* and murano-apps | 14:06 |
| ttx | could be harmless | 14:06 |
| dhellmann | #action dhellmann talk to mestery about networking-ovn, octavia, vmware-nsx | 14:07 |
| ttx | is cycle-with-intermediary but did milestones: freezern searchlight and aodh | 14:07 |
| ttx | fix for freezer is already in | 14:07 |
| dhellmann | ok, I'll propose changing the tags for those others | 14:07 |
| ttx | yeah, and get the ptl +2 | 14:07 |
| dhellmann | #action dhellmann change searchlight and aodh to cycle-with-intermediary | 14:07 |
| dhellmann | maybe we should add some validation for tag type and release model | 14:07 |
| dhellmann | I didn't want to do that, but I haven't been doing the manual checking either | 14:08 |
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| ttx | then there is a bunch of "intermediary" projects that haven't done a release yet. Probably nothing to worry about, but we should keep an eye on those | 14:08 |
| ttx | we kinda want at least one | 14:08 |
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| ttx | if senlin just posted an m2, they got the wrong model, too | 14:09 |
| ttx | we have three that are still marked independent but may want to be intermediary to be able to say "mitaka": magnum, cue and rally | 14:10 |
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| ttx | I pinged Adrian yesterday and he said he would do it | 14:10 |
| ttx | but still nothing | 14:10 |
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| dhellmann | I left a comment on the senlin release request | 14:10 |
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| dhellmann | ok, I think the magnum team has had enough opportunities | 14:11 |
| ttx | finally, we have a few that follow cycle, did tags but did not have the corresponding releases change | 14:11 |
| dhellmann | so they tagged, but didn't file an update in the releases repo? | 14:11 |
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| ttx | I think we'll have those as long as we don't reclaim tagging rights | 14:11 |
| ttx | yeah | 14:12 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I'm not too worried about that | 14:12 |
| dhellmann | I really want to get the automation done so we can just use the repo for all releases starting next cycle, but this cycle we're going to have missing info | 14:12 |
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| dhellmann | I'll send a general email, though | 14:12 |
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| ttx | for magnum if they file before the end of my day today I'll take them -- takes time to go through the governance repo anyway | 14:13 |
| dhellmann | #action dhellmann send email encouraging independent projects to record their releases in the releases repository | 14:13 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: yeah, I told everyone else the deadline was yesterday | 14:13 |
| ttx | dhellmann: alternatively we could just take away tagging perms | 14:13 |
| dhellmann | how many times have you had to ask magnum to fix their settings? | 14:13 |
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| ttx | that would avoid crazy tags like 2.0.0b2 | 14:13 |
| dhellmann | take away perms from whom? | 14:13 |
| ttx | official project teams | 14:14 |
| ttx | force them all to go through the repo | 14:14 |
| dhellmann | so far we've only done that for managed projects, but we could think about extending it to all official projects | 14:14 |
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| ttx | magnum ? I think 3 times | 14:14 |
| ttx | the -dev email, a personal email, irc ping | 14:14 |
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| dhellmann | did you go to their meeting? | 14:15 |
| dhellmann | *didn't | 14:15 |
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| ttx | oh yes, that too | 14:15 |
| dhellmann | so 4 | 14:15 |
| ttx | so 4 | 14:15 |
| ttx | we could also fix it for them | 14:16 |
| ttx | since they said yes | 14:16 |
| dhellmann | did they file a release request for m2? | 14:16 |
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| dhellmann | I suppose we could | 14:16 |
| ttx | they are intermediary | 14:16 |
| dhellmann | ah, ok | 14:16 |
| ttx | they said yes in the logged meeting | 14:16 |
| dhellmann | yeah, let's just fix it for them | 14:16 |
| ttx | I'll file it | 14:16 |
| dhellmann | I didn't realize we'd had a response at all | 14:16 |
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| dhellmann | ok | 14:16 |
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| ttx | #action ttx to file the magnum fix today | 14:17 |
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| dhellmann | they don't have the managed tag, do we need to add that or do they want to stay unmanaged? | 14:17 |
| ttx | so I'll put in bold things we need to fix IMHO | 14:17 |
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| ttx | stay unmanaged, they are not eeven cose to being responsive enough | 14:17 |
| ttx | close* | 14:17 |
| dhellmann | yeah | 14:18 |
| ttx | I would ignore the rest for the time being | 14:18 |
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| ttx | missed m2, no big deal, will tell them a lesson | 14:19 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I'll send email encouraging intermediary projects to file releases if they haven't already | 14:19 |
| ttx | no release yet for intermediary: not yet time to panick | 14:19 |
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| dhellmann | and the ones who forgot to publish to releases repo | 14:19 |
| ttx | cue and rally as independent -- they don't really claim to make a mitaka release so I'm fine with that | 14:19 |
| dhellmann | but I won't try to chase down individual liaisons | 14:19 |
| ttx | and the things which don't publish to releases... that's bound to happen all the time | 14:19 |
| ttx | until we take away tagging | 14:20 |
| dhellmann | right | 14:20 |
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| dhellmann | cue and rally are both independent, so that's fine | 14:20 |
| ttx | alrighty | 14:22 |
| ttx | I think I should script this | 14:22 |
| ttx | or develop a check test | 14:22 |
| dhellmann | yeah, let's add some tests to the validator in the repo | 14:22 |
| dhellmann | no beta tags unless they have cycle-with-milestones and release:independent can't be in a named series directory | 14:23 |
| ttx | yep | 14:23 |
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| dhellmann | it would also be useful to have a script to scan all cycle-with-milestone projects to find ones that haven't added a given beta tag (with an input like "mitaka 2") | 14:24 |
| dhellmann | that's more complex, though, and the checks are more important | 14:24 |
| dhellmann | we do have some release requests for intermediary projects that haven't been processed. I was going to wait and do those Monday, to avoid introducing new versions of libs into the already overloaded gate. | 14:25 |
| dhellmann | the same for the liberty stable releases | 14:26 |
| ttx | yep | 14:26 |
| ttx | I only caught the most obvious stuff here | 14:26 |
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| dhellmann | #info waiting for monday to release cycle-with-intermediary projects to avoid introducing new libs into the gate | 14:26 |
| dhellmann | #info waiting for monday to tag liberty stable releases | 14:26 |
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| dhellmann | alright, is there anything else we need to discuss about the milestone? | 14:27 |
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| ttx | not really | 14:27 |
| dhellmann | #topic Release tag changes | 14:27 |
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| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/259392 (sahara-test) | 14:27 |
| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269858 (manila-ui) | 14:27 |
| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/271203 (freezer) + deliverable issue | 14:27 |
| ttx | https://review.openstack.org/271318 <-- magnum change | 14:27 |
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| dhellmann | do those just need reviews? | 14:28 |
| ttx | and maybe a bit of discussion | 14:28 |
| dhellmann | shall we do that now? or in the reviews? | 14:29 |
| ttx | no hurry | 14:29 |
| ttx | I just wanted to flag them to attention | 14:29 |
| dhellmann | ok, I'll leave some comments today | 14:29 |
| ttx | oh, on the freezer one | 14:29 |
| ttx | they declared two deliverables, but I think it should be one | 14:30 |
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| ttx | freezer and freezer-api | 14:30 |
| dhellmann | ah, right, I saw that discussion | 14:30 |
| dhellmann | I'll file a follow-up | 14:30 |
| ttx | it would be more consistent with how other services show up | 14:30 |
| dhellmann | I wonder if they were concerned about the type:service tag not being right for the freezer repo? | 14:30 |
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| dhellmann | I can't remember, can we have repo-specific tags? or just for deliverables? | 14:31 |
| ttx | deliverables | 14:31 |
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| dhellmann | #action dhellmann file governance change to merge freezer deliverables for consistency | 14:31 |
| ttx | it's basically the same thing, split across a number of repos | 14:31 |
| dhellmann | yeah, that's what it seemed | 14:31 |
| ttx | as it stands, only freezer-api would have the service tag | 14:32 |
| dhellmann | we should add a check for that, too -- things in the governance repo as a deliverable should be in the same deliverable in our repo | 14:32 |
| ttx | but the way everyone else does it is to ship the api node together with the other nodes | 14:32 |
| dhellmann | although that might cause problems when someone adds a new repo | 14:32 |
| ttx | that way the "service" also happens to be the main repo | 14:32 |
| dhellmann | that makes sense | 14:32 |
| ttx | err.. deliverable | 14:32 |
| ttx | anyway, more consistent to bundle them. | 14:33 |
| dhellmann | noted | 14:33 |
| ttx | and if they follow milestones, an easy constraint | 14:33 |
| ttx | since they already release at the same time | 14:33 |
| ttx | with same version number | 14:33 |
| dhellmann | you can merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/271203/1 and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269858/1 and I'll file that follow-up | 14:34 |
| dhellmann | I need to look at the other 2 more closely | 14:34 |
| dhellmann | oh, wait, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/271318/1 looks fine | 14:34 |
| dhellmann | so it's just the sahara-tests thing I need to look at | 14:34 |
| ttx | 271203 I'll have to wait for the official cooling period | 14:34 |
| ttx | 269858 same | 14:35 |
| dhellmann | hmm, ok | 14:35 |
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| ttx | only the sahara one is old enough I think | 14:35 |
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| dhellmann | that one has vulnerability:managed with no comment from fungi | 14:35 |
| dhellmann | oh, actually, a previous version has a -1 | 14:36 |
| ttx | yeah which is why I left it standing | 14:36 |
| dhellmann | ok | 14:36 |
| dhellmann | so let's move on | 14:37 |
| fungi | i can refresh my -1 if needed | 14:37 |
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| dhellmann | fungi : good idea, I left a non-voting comment | 14:37 |
| dhellmann | #topic URL structure of releases.openstack.org | 14:37 |
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| dhellmann | I filed some infra changes to move docs.o.o/releases to releases.o.o/ | 14:37 |
| dhellmann | then I saw ttx comment somewhere (email chain or IRC, I'm not sure) about having signed tarballs on the same subdomain | 14:38 |
| dhellmann | I wonder if that means we need to make any changes to the move I've already proposed? or if it would be fine to have releases.o.o/downloads (or something) coming from somewhere other than the openstack/releases repository? | 14:38 |
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| ttx | did I? | 14:38 |
| dhellmann | yeah, that's why I wanted this on the agenda today, it came up this week | 14:38 |
| dhellmann | it's very likely I just misunderstood what you were saying | 14:39 |
| ttx | I think it's fine to have links to tarballs.o.o in releases.o.o | 14:39 |
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| ttx | especially since there are a lot more tarballs than there are releases | 14:39 |
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| dhellmann | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-January/084548.html | 14:39 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: that was your comment ^^ | 14:40 |
| dhellmann | "We are working on moving all that to https://releases.openstack.org and implement artifact GPG signing as well." | 14:40 |
| ttx | oh, I didn't mean moving tarballs | 14:40 |
| dhellmann | maybe by "all that" you just meant the launchpad milestones? | 14:40 |
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| ttx | yeah, "release links" | 14:40 |
| dhellmann | ok, cool, I just misunderstood then | 14:40 |
| dhellmann | that's why I wanted to clarify :-) | 14:40 |
| ttx | oops sorry | 14:40 |
| ttx | I can see how that was confusing | 14:41 |
| ttx | all that = docs.o.o/releases | 14:41 |
| ttx | and the links within, not the tarballs themselves | 14:41 |
| dhellmann | ok, so we'll continue with the existing plan | 14:41 |
| ttx | dhellmann: +1 | 14:41 |
| dhellmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:releases-openstack-org | 14:42 |
| dhellmann | for anyone following along | 14:42 |
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| dhellmann | #topic open discussion | 14:43 |
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| dhellmann | that's all we have on the agenda, is there anything else we need to talk about? | 14:43 |
| ttx | about url structure, we could avoid the "releases" redundancy | 14:43 |
| dhellmann | ttx: are you out next friday? we can skip the meeting | 14:43 |
| dhellmann | yes, the proposal is to publish to the root of releases.o.o | 14:43 |
| ttx | releases.o.o/mitaka instead of releases.o.o/releases/mitaka | 14:43 |
| dhellmann | right | 14:44 |
| ttx | hmm | 14:44 |
| dhellmann | I need to fix the existing patch to use the proper publisher, but that's the goal | 14:44 |
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| ttx | currently we have docs.o.o/releases/releases/mitaka so I was wondering how many levels that would remove | 14:44 |
| dhellmann | oh, I see what you mean | 14:44 |
| ttx | I bet we'd keep one | 14:45 |
| dhellmann | yes, it will | 14:45 |
| dhellmann | we can remove the other with a patch in our own repo | 14:45 |
| ttx | yeah | 14:45 |
| ttx | that would look better in links | 14:45 |
| dhellmann | though maybe we want that to be "series" instead of "releases" | 14:45 |
| dhellmann | and keep the level | 14:45 |
| dhellmann | that way we can have "schedules" etc. | 14:45 |
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| ttx | the issue is we have schedules/ | 14:45 |
| dhellmann | or I guess we could put the schedule in the series dir | 14:45 |
| dhellmann | so /mitaka/index.hml and /mitaka/schedule.html | 14:46 |
| ttx | and instructions.rst | 14:46 |
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| ttx | yeah | 14:46 |
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| dhellmann | ok, I'll work on reorganizing the content where it is | 14:46 |
| ttx | we need to do that before we communicate those urls too much | 14:47 |
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| dhellmann | #action dhellmann reorganize releases repository to clean up urls | 14:47 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I'll do it today | 14:47 |
| ttx | are stuck with them :) | 14:47 |
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| ttx | that said the urls I just send for m2 point to releases/releases/mitaka | 14:47 |
| dhellmann | I can leave some stub pages in place for now, that we can delete later | 14:47 |
| dhellmann | "this page moved to ..." | 14:47 |
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| ttx | yeah , would win extra points | 14:48 |
| dhellmann | and we can delete them after we move to the new subdomain | 14:48 |
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| ttx | sorry I"m not signing up for a lot of work because I'll likely not be able to do any next week ;) | 14:48 |
| dhellmann | yeah, no problem, it will give me something to do ;-) | 14:48 |
| ttx | feel free to procrastinate and assign me again next week. | 14:49 |
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| dhellmann | noted | 14:49 |
| ttx | I'll be on a plane at meeting time next week | 14:49 |
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| dhellmann | ok, so we'll skip the meeting next week | 14:50 |
| ttx | or in a car just out of a plane | 14:50 |
| ttx | fine by me | 14:50 |
| dhellmann | #action dhellmann announce no release team meeting next week | 14:50 |
| dhellmann | if that's all we need to discuss, I'll use the remaining 10 minutes to file some of those patches | 14:50 |
| ttx | and me to pack | 14:50 |
| dhellmann | enjoy the off-site! | 14:51 |
| ttx | ttyl! | 14:51 |
| dhellmann | #endmeeting | 14:51 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Jan 22 14:51:16 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2016/releaseteam.2016-01-22-14.01.html | 14:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2016/releaseteam.2016-01-22-14.01.txt | 14:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2016/releaseteam.2016-01-22-14.01.log.html | 14:51 |
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