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| loquacities | hi everyone! | 00:38 |
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| loquacities | APAC docs meeting here in a couple of mins :) | 00:38 |
| elmiko | hi | 00:38 |
| katomo | Hi | 00:38 |
| loquacities | #startmeeting docteam | 00:40 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 10 00:40:24 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is loquacities. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:40 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:40 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 00:40 |
| loquacities | sorry for the late start everyone | 00:40 |
| elmiko | no worries | 00:40 |
| katomo | nop | 00:40 |
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| Sam-I-Am | hi | 00:41 |
| loquacities | heya | 00:41 |
| loquacities | thanks for reminding me Sam-I-Am :) | 00:41 |
| elmiko | hi | 00:41 |
| Sam-I-Am | now i'm here | 00:41 |
| katomo | hi | 00:41 |
| loquacities | i'd dug down to insane depths on my email ;) | 00:41 |
| loquacities | ok, let's go straight to specs | 00:41 |
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| loquacities | #topic Specs in review | 00:41 |
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| loquacities | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/docs-specs,n,z | 00:42 |
| loquacities | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/274231/ | 00:42 |
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| loquacities | Installation guide changes for Mitaka | 00:42 |
| loquacities | i think i'm a little behind on this one | 00:42 |
| Sam-I-Am | yep | 00:43 |
| loquacities | i was hoping to chat more about removing the debian guide before we got too far on this | 00:43 |
| Sam-I-Am | i'm installing pre-mitaka now :) | 00:43 |
| loquacities | for debian? | 00:43 |
| Sam-I-Am | no... this is rdo (because i could find packages) | 00:43 |
| loquacities | i was thinking it's probably about that time that i should be contacting release-type people for the distros, too | 00:43 |
| Sam-I-Am | debian is a lost cause at this point | 00:43 |
| loquacities | well, at least we have RDO packages! | 00:43 |
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| Sam-I-Am | yeah, they built from trunk now which is good and bad | 00:44 |
| Sam-I-Am | build | 00:44 |
| Sam-I-Am | ubuntu is still milestone 1, so eeoooo | 00:44 |
| Sam-I-Am | these are m3 | 00:44 |
| loquacities | ew | 00:44 |
| Sam-I-Am | so.. close. | 00:44 |
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| Sam-I-Am | enough for me to start figuring out what all changes | 00:44 |
| loquacities | also: we have a red hat writer on board, too | 00:44 |
| Sam-I-Am | and there's quite a few changes | 00:44 |
| loquacities | his name is petr kovar, and he's based in the czech republic | 00:44 |
| Sam-I-Am | so far the rdo packages are less broken than usual, so thats a plus | 00:44 |
| loquacities | bonus! | 00:45 |
| Sam-I-Am | anywho... | 00:45 |
| loquacities | ok, that's on my list of things to email people about then | 00:45 |
| Sam-I-Am | the changes for rdo will likely impact ubuntu and suse too | 00:45 |
| loquacities | yep | 00:45 |
| loquacities | when's the next install guide meeting in APAC? | 00:45 |
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| Sam-I-Am | christian sort of bailed out of heading up the project | 00:45 |
| Sam-I-Am | dunno... the US one was today, and i chaired it again | 00:46 |
| Sam-I-Am | actually i've always chaired it | 00:46 |
| loquacities | ah, next week ok | 00:46 |
| loquacities | yeah, i noticed christian hasn't been around much | 00:46 |
| Sam-I-Am | he commented on the mitaka spec | 00:46 |
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| Sam-I-Am | says hes working on some project | 00:46 |
| loquacities | we might need to call for volunteers to look after that team again in austin | 00:46 |
| Sam-I-Am | the install guide meeting only had 1 other attendee today | 00:46 |
| Sam-I-Am | well, regardless of who volunteers, i usually wind up doing it, so i might as well throw my name into that hat | 00:47 |
| loquacities | hrm, ok | 00:47 |
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| Sam-I-Am | should not happen at a summit imo. more e-maily-listy thing. | 00:47 |
| loquacities | let's see if we can't rustle up some install guide enthusiasm over the next few weeks, anyway | 00:47 |
| loquacities | yeah, we can do that too | 00:47 |
| loquacities | anyway, let's move on | 00:47 |
| Sam-I-Am | the debian bits :) | 00:47 |
| loquacities | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/274258/ | 00:47 |
| loquacities | Convert warnings to errors for local builds | 00:48 |
| loquacities | do we need to discuss that at all at this stage? | 00:48 |
| Sam-I-Am | its not actually a spec | 00:49 |
| Sam-I-Am | its fixing the specs repo | 00:49 |
| loquacities | yeah, i was just looking at that | 00:49 |
| loquacities | looks like it just needs a workflow | 00:49 |
| Sam-I-Am | some bad rst got into our repos | 00:49 |
| Sam-I-Am | so i tracked it down | 00:49 |
| loquacities | right, got it | 00:50 |
| loquacities | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/275200/ | 00:50 |
| loquacities | Manila Installation guide for Mitaka | 00:50 |
| loquacities | i thought i told manila ages ago they weren't going in the install guide? | 00:50 |
| Sam-I-Am | they seem to have gotten their stuff together | 00:51 |
| loquacities | they've been on my case for about six months | 00:51 |
| Sam-I-Am | there's a patch waiting that almost meets all of the requirements | 00:51 |
| Sam-I-Am | so... if it works... it goes in | 00:51 |
| loquacities | is it going to screw things up? | 00:51 |
| Sam-I-Am | no | 00:51 |
| loquacities | hrm, ok | 00:51 |
| Sam-I-Am | so far looks and smells like cinder | 00:51 |
| loquacities | i'll trust your judgement on that | 00:51 |
| Sam-I-Am | so it can reuse our arch for cinder | 00:51 |
| Sam-I-Am | what i didnt want was having to re-arch things | 00:51 |
| loquacities | it does kind of undermine the 'defcore only' statement, though | 00:51 |
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| loquacities | i'm worried it'll open some kind of floodgate | 00:52 |
| Sam-I-Am | if all the distros are pushing packages for it, and they work... its good enough. | 00:52 |
| loquacities | yeah, that's a fair point | 00:52 |
| Sam-I-Am | defcore kind of got murky with the big tent | 00:52 |
| JRobinson__ | Manila must be closer to reaching maturity levels too. | 00:52 |
| loquacities | that's been their main argument all along | 00:52 |
| elmiko | yea, pretty sure manila must be close | 00:52 |
| loquacities | they wanted to be in the install guide to increase their official maturity | 00:53 |
| elmiko | we've integrated it with sahara and i know it's coming in future RDO releases | 00:53 |
| Sam-I-Am | so the requirements are a) do packages exist for all distros b) do they work c) can someone else contribute and maintain the content | 00:53 |
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| Sam-I-Am | its better when services are 'optional' | 00:53 |
| loquacities | ok, so here's a q: is a manila person showing up at install guide meetings? | 00:53 |
| Sam-I-Am | there was one today | 00:53 |
| Sam-I-Am | the ptl, actually | 00:53 |
| JRobinson__ | ^good question | 00:53 |
| loquacities | awesome | 00:53 |
| Sam-I-Am | we had a nice long chat | 00:53 |
| loquacities | heh | 00:54 |
| loquacities | ok, let's move on to speciality teams then | 00:54 |
| loquacities | #topic Speciality teams | 00:54 |
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| loquacities | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Speciality_Team_Reports | 00:54 |
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| loquacities | so i've been collected the speciality team reports on this etherpad since the beginning of the year | 00:54 |
| loquacities | it's working better than the individual emails i was doing before | 00:55 |
| JRobinson__ | loquacities, sorry for the delay last week. | 00:55 |
| loquacities | and it also gives us a better place to link to for this info | 00:55 |
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| loquacities | JRobinson__: no trouble, i know you were busy | 00:55 |
| JRobinson__ | The non email overhead has been greatly appreciated though. | 00:55 |
| loquacities | yeah, it seems to be better | 00:55 |
| loquacities | so generally i ask for updates on my wednesday, to be completed by around noon on my friday | 00:55 |
| elmiko | i think the sec-guide has found someone to work on the neutron chapter | 00:56 |
| loquacities | that way, i can get the newsletter out late on a friday afternoon | 00:56 |
| loquacities | elmiko: oh, that's good! | 00:56 |
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| JRobinson__ | #info Specialty Team Updates are due Friday. look out for a Wednesday reminder. | 00:56 |
| elmiko | but, afaik, we are still working on getting the pdf formatting together | 00:56 |
| loquacities | JRobinson__: thanks! | 00:56 |
| JRobinson__ | np | 00:57 |
| loquacities | elmiko: yeah, i was wondering how that was going | 00:57 |
| loquacities | is there an update on that? | 00:57 |
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| elmiko | i know sicarie is investigating it, but he has been pretty loaded up recently | 00:58 |
| loquacities | right, ok | 00:59 |
| loquacities | i haven't heard anything about it recently | 00:59 |
| elmiko | he is getting back to it though | 00:59 |
| loquacities | any other comments on speciality teams? | 00:59 |
| elmiko | yea, the whole rst->pdf is proving troublesome | 00:59 |
| Sam-I-Am | we more or less covered the install guide | 00:59 |
| loquacities | elmiko: i'm not terribly surprised, honestly | 00:59 |
| Sam-I-Am | networking guide is moving along slowly as usual | 00:59 |
| loquacities | Sam-I-Am: yep, install guide is in my sights this week | 00:59 |
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| loquacities | slowly but surely? ;) | 01:00 |
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| elmiko | loquacities: par for the course, i suppose ;) | 01:00 |
| Sam-I-Am | so much to do, so little time... and people. | 01:00 |
| loquacities | elmiko: lol, yep | 01:00 |
| Sam-I-Am | plus i've been sucked into networking-ovn | 01:00 |
| Sam-I-Am | so thats getting some attention | 01:00 |
| JRobinson__ | User Guide meeting is still set for tomorrow. | 01:00 |
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| loquacities | lucky you :P | 01:00 |
| loquacities | JRobinson__: thanks | 01:00 |
| JRobinson__ | No other updates other than that | 01:00 |
| Sam-I-Am | also trying to fix neutron's mtu problems | 01:00 |
| loquacities | #topic Countdown to release | 01:00 |
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| Sam-I-Am | thats been a fun one | 01:00 |
| loquacities | #info 56 days | 01:01 |
| JRobinson__ | So about 9 weeks til N release. | 01:01 |
| loquacities | #info DocImpact merged; however | 01:01 |
| Sam-I-Am | 60 days is usually my trigger for the install guide | 01:01 |
| loquacities | heh, bad paste | 01:01 |
| loquacities | Sam-I-Am: yeah, i was working on about the same timeframe | 01:01 |
| Sam-I-Am | so i was glad a bunch of other stuff broke today and i could spend some time on it | 01:01 |
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| loquacities | so, docimpact is now merged, and *all* projects are opening docimpact bugs in their own queues | 01:02 |
| loquacities | so far, no one has yelled at me over that | 01:02 |
| loquacities | which is a nice change | 01:02 |
| Sam-I-Am | the neutron folks just find me | 01:02 |
| loquacities | they're not stupid ;) | 01:02 |
| loquacities | #action loquacities will start contacting release/packaging people for Install Guide | 01:03 |
| loquacities | Sam-I-Am: when do you want to start testing, officially? | 01:03 |
| Sam-I-Am | right now is the changes/updates period | 01:04 |
| Sam-I-Am | like... what breaks in mitaka | 01:04 |
| Sam-I-Am | i took a crash course in fernet tokens earlier, for example | 01:04 |
| loquacities | yep, so now is the time to work on packages | 01:04 |
| Sam-I-Am | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/installguide-mitaka | 01:04 |
| Sam-I-Am | thats where the work is going | 01:04 |
| loquacities | do you think we can start testing 30 days out? | 01:04 |
| Sam-I-Am | more or less 'findings' and changes from them | 01:05 |
| loquacities | cool | 01:05 |
| loquacities | thanks for that | 01:05 |
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| Sam-I-Am | yeah in 30 days we should have packages for all distros and be able to test the draft guide, making corrections as necessary | 01:05 |
| loquacities | ok, let's roll with that as a plan, then | 01:05 |
| loquacities | #info Plan to have testing on Install Guide begin at M-30 days | 01:05 |
| loquacities | ok, i think that's all i have on release matters | 01:06 |
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| loquacities | #Open discussion | 01:07 |
| loquacities | #topic Open discussion | 01:07 |
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| loquacities | anything else to discuss? | 01:08 |
| Sam-I-Am | nothing here | 01:08 |
| loquacities | cool | 01:08 |
| elmiko | nothing from me | 01:08 |
| loquacities | ok | 01:08 |
| loquacities | thanks everyone :) | 01:08 |
| JRobinson__ | nothing major to go over. | 01:08 |
| loquacities | #endmeeting | 01:09 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 10 01:09:01 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:09 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2016/docteam.2016-02-10-00.40.html | 01:09 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2016/docteam.2016-02-10-00.40.txt | 01:09 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2016/docteam.2016-02-10-00.40.log.html | 01:09 |
| katomo | thanks | 01:09 |
| Sam-I-Am | thanks! | 01:09 |
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| elmiko | thanks loquacities | 01:11 |
| loquacities | thanks elmiko :) | 01:11 |
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| rolandchan | Hi All, I'm about to start the User Committee meeting. Is anyone here for that? | 03:00 |
| jproulx1 | I'm here but at the end of a very long day... | 03:00 |
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| rolandchan | OK. | 03:01 |
| rolandchan | Anyone else? | 03:01 |
| rolandchan | Perhaps not. I'm going to wait for a couple of minutes. I don't think a 2 person meeting is a really viable. | 03:02 |
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| jproulx1 | Hmmm, perhaps not enough APAC interest to support this slot, but yeah let's give it 5 or 10min and see if we pick up any more. | 03:03 |
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| rolandchan | Not looking positive. I did expect low conversion rate from the doodle to reality. | 03:06 |
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| jproulx1 | Well it was worth a shot but I think it's about time to call it a loss | 03:10 |
| rolandchan | Hmm OK. I'm going to call time on this meeting. It's a non-starter | 03:10 |
| rolandchan | thanks jproulx1, hopefully the rest of your night is relaxing. | 03:10 |
| jproulx1 | agrees oh well, have a good day & thanks. | 03:10 |
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| SotK | anyone here for the storyboard meeting? | 15:00 |
| Zara | I AM | 15:00 |
| Zara | it's the most exciting event in my calendar | 15:00 |
| SotK | #startmeeting storyboard | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 10 15:00:47 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SotK. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 15:00 | |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 15:00 |
| SotK | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StoryBoard Agenda | 15:00 |
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| * SotK wonders if we announced tags search last week? | 15:01 | |
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| Zara | I don't think so; I think it was merged on Thurs? | 15:01 |
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| SotK | we didn't! | 15:01 |
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| SotK | #topic Announcements | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 15:02 | |
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| SotK | #info The stories list can now be filtered by tags! | 15:02 |
| Zara | \o/ | 15:02 |
| SotK | thanks for that work Zara :) | 15:02 |
| Zara | np, it was pretty straightforward once I understood what was going on... | 15:02 |
| SotK | :D | 15:03 |
| Zara | it's long-overdue, but it's up on storyboard.openstack.org, so enjoy it at last! :) | 15:03 |
| SotK | Are there any urgent items you know of? | 15:04 |
| Zara | nothing specific, I have a fair amount of stuff in review, including the fix for timeline events | 15:04 |
| betherly | o/ | 15:04 |
| * SotK will try to get to reviewing things soon | 15:04 | |
| Zara | hi betherly! :) | 15:04 |
| SotK | hi betherly | 15:05 |
| betherly | hi! :) | 15:05 |
| SotK | #topic Urgent Items | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Urgent Items (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 15:05 | |
| SotK | #info The review backlog is getting big again, reviews are very welcome | 15:05 |
| SotK | #topic In Progress Work | 15:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "In Progress Work (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 15:06 | |
| SotK | #info SotK is still looking at due dates for cards in worklists and boards | 15:06 |
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| SotK | I've made decent progress on this, hopefully should be sending some patches to add groundwork for it soon | 15:07 |
| Zara | ;_; | 15:07 |
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| Zara | then what will I do in my free time? | 15:07 |
| Zara | oh wait, I know, I'll be reviewing a million patches | 15:07 |
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| SotK | there won't be that many yet :) | 15:08 |
| Zara | phew! :) | 15:08 |
| Zara | but seriously, yay! | 15:08 |
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| Zara | for progress, glad it's going okay, any blockers? | 15:08 |
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| SotK | idk when patches for actually using them properly will be ready, I was hoping for Friday but that is looking less likely now | 15:09 |
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| SotK | I can't think of anything blocking me at the moment, its all going fairly well (albeit a bit slow after I got caught up making a calendar thing) | 15:09 |
| Zara | heh | 15:09 |
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| Zara | does next Friday sound likely? | 15:10 |
| Zara | or are there too many unknowns? | 15:10 |
| SotK | it certainly sounds more likely than this Friday | 15:10 |
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| Zara | okay, keep us posted! | 15:13 |
| SotK | I will do :) | 15:13 |
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| * SotK wonders what else is ongoing (or stuck waiting for me to review) | 15:13 | |
| Zara | okay, we already announced that tags as filters has been completed! | 15:13 |
| Zara | I tagged the infra-cloud story since anteaya asked specifically about that one a while ago | 15:14 |
| Zara | so that should be a bit easier to find now. | 15:14 |
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| anteaya | yay! | 15:14 |
| anteaya | thank you | 15:14 |
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| Zara | yw! :) you should see a little 'tag' icon if you type things into the main search (or stories search). it doesn't work in the header search (I've been overruled on that... FOR NOW) | 15:15 |
| Zara | er, where main search = search button on the sidebar. | 15:15 |
| Zara | other things... | 15:16 |
| Zara | #info patches for timeline events in review | 15:16 |
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| Zara | well, patch | 15:16 |
| Zara | so timeline events have been a bit broken since last March | 15:16 |
| Zara | just saying 'x updated y' rather than 'x updated y from foo to bar' | 15:16 |
| SotK | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277386/ timeline events fix | 15:17 |
| Zara | that patch makes things work again! so storyboard history is more useful. | 15:17 |
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| Zara | I'm hoping it also means we can neaten the email notification templates for tasks | 15:17 |
| Zara | but I haven't looked at that yet. | 15:17 |
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| SotK | I'll try to get to reviewing it soon-ish | 15:18 |
| Zara | \o/ | 15:18 |
| Zara | I understand, you have a lot to do atm. | 15:18 |
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| Zara | it should be pretty quick to test that one, though there are other things waiting which need more thorough review... | 15:19 |
| Zara | specifically... | 15:19 |
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| Zara | #info patches for task links to resources in review | 15:19 |
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| Zara | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277481/ | 15:19 |
| Zara | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277831/ | 15:20 |
| Zara | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277882/ | 15:20 |
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| * SotK will try his best to look at them soon too | 15:20 | |
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| Zara | yeah, I'm not particularly experienced with python or databases, so would appreciate someone looking through those more closely for something dodgy | 15:20 |
| Zara | so I'm okay with it taking longer if that's what's required for a thorough review | 15:20 |
| Zara | those will let people link to resources next to a task in a story | 15:21 |
| Zara | instead of having to put links in the story description or comments | 15:21 |
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| Zara | which is the way people are working around it atm | 15:21 |
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| Zara | I'm excited about them because this really annoys me when gardening storyboard.openstack.org | 15:22 |
| Zara | but a bit wary, so yeah | 15:22 |
| Zara | I have a bunch of other things in review, but those are less interesting. | 15:23 |
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| SotK | Anything else in progress? | 15:23 |
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| Zara | hm, well, I've finished my immediate todos, so not sure what to prioritize next. | 15:23 |
| Zara | It means I have more time for review | 15:24 |
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| SotK | perhaps look back at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/264193/ again? | 15:24 |
| SotK | or try and make the task IDs visible in a nice way? :D | 15:24 |
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| Zara | heh, sure, I can go back to those. if there's anything more important I'll be free to pick it up, too | 15:25 |
| Zara | eg: if there's any of the worklists and boards work that can be split, though I understand that's kind of hard. | 15:25 |
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| Zara | well, maybe the most useful thing I can do is get more feedback | 15:26 |
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| SotK | #topic Open Discussion | 15:28 |
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| SotK | do we have anything to discuss? | 15:28 |
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| Zara | hmmm... | 15:31 |
| SotK | oh, are we doing this meeting next week, given that we are having our mid-cycle meetup? | 15:31 |
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| Zara | good question | 15:32 |
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| Zara | I'd be inclined to say no, on the basis that most interested parties will be at our meetup or at clashing meetups (otherwise they'd be at our meetup :P). | 15:33 |
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| Zara | I suppose it wouldn't be difficult for us to host the meeting anyway just in case. | 15:34 |
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| SotK | I guess we can decide on the day :) | 15:34 |
| Zara | for me it depends on if people at other meetups are likely to check the storyboard meeting that day. | 15:34 |
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| SotK | "Hi, anyone want to meet?", if silence then don't bother | 15:34 |
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| betherly | sadly the storyboard one clashes with the ux one so i cant make it next week | 15:35 |
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| Zara | yeah, both the UX meetup and the product working group meetup clash (they're also interested in storyboard!). maybe all three should combine. xD | 15:36 |
| betherly | but Zara and I were discussing potential for me to come up another time and go through things in person | 15:36 |
| Zara | yeah, (for context: part of the reason I kept the date the same as the UX meetup was because I figured we're near each other so it's easier to arrange something else) | 15:37 |
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| SotK | that would make sense to me | 15:38 |
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| Zara | rough dates are sometime in the week of 29th feb or 7th march | 15:39 |
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| SotK | what are we planning to do/discuss at the meetup? | 15:42 |
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| Zara | mainly cake. | 15:43 |
| Zara | in seriousness, wiki page here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StoryBoard/Midcycle_Meetup | 15:43 |
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| betherly | hahaha ++ cake :'D | 15:44 |
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| Zara | at the moment, it looks like some bits there will be irrelevant | 15:44 |
| Zara | but we should be able to get feedback from infra about things that would help with the infra cloud sprint (and things that would be helpful in general) | 15:44 |
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| Zara | which will help with my timely questions of 'what do I prioritize at this point?' | 15:45 |
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| SotK | that will be useful :) | 15:45 |
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| Zara | we can also explain what's going on with the kanban stuff... | 15:46 |
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| Zara | since that's been pretty low-key while we've made sure it works. | 15:48 |
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| Zara | no pressure SotK ;) | 15:49 |
| SotK | :D | 15:49 |
| * SotK will try to make everything wondrous by then then | 15:49 | |
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| Zara | does anyone have any questions about the meetup? I worry I've kept things too vague. | 15:51 |
| betherly | :) | 15:51 |
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| Zara | (please also feel free to ping me about transport questions or anything like that.) | 15:52 |
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| Zara | it's all been rather adhoc while I've been unsure of numbers etc, but I'd rather not leave anyone wandering around Manchester, lost. | 15:52 |
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| SotK | Anything else to discuss? | 15:55 |
| Zara | kencjohnston: ah, good timing, we were just talking about the storyboard meetup (next Weds); I believe the product working group meetup clashes; I think we should work out if we can do something but we're right at the end of this meeting | 15:55 |
| Zara | so maybe #storyboard is the best place to continue that line of thought | 15:55 |
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| * SotK thinks it probably is | 15:56 | |
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| kencjohnston | Zara Ha, I actually just signed in to IRC for the day not knowing your meeting was ongoing | 15:57 |
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| kencjohnston | Zara take it off-line? | 15:57 |
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| Zara | ack, out of time, will continue in #storyboard | 15:59 |
| SotK | we're out of time, so we can continue this in #storyboard :) | 15:59 |
| SotK | heh, snap | 16:00 |
| betherly | great ok :) | 16:00 |
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| betherly | haha | 16:00 |
| SotK | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 10 16:00:09 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2016/storyboard.2016-02-10-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2016/storyboard.2016-02-10-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2016/storyboard.2016-02-10-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
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| smcginnis | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 10 16:00:18 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| jseiler | hi | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| gouthamr | hi.. | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | Courtesy pings: | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | dulek duncant eharney geguileo winston-d e0ne jungleboyj jgriffith thingee smcginnis hemna xyang tbarron scottda erlon rhedlind jbernard vincent_hou kmartin patrickeast sheel dongwenjuan JaniceLee cFouts Thelo vivekd adrianofr mtanino yuriy_n17 | 16:00 |
| dulek | o/ | 16:00 |
| xyang2 | hi | 16:00 |
| geguileo | hi! | 16:00 |
| patrickeast | hey | 16:00 |
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| vincent_hou | hi | 16:00 |
| akerr | o/ | 16:00 |
| adrianofr | hi | 16:00 |
| scottda | hi | 16:00 |
| sheel | hello all | 16:00 |
| mc_nair | o/ | 16:00 |
| mtanino | hi | 16:00 |
| eharney | hi | 16:00 |
| jungleboyj | Here! | 16:00 |
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| DuncanT | hi | 16:01 |
| thingee | o/ | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | Looks like a big agenda today, so let's get going... | 16:01 |
| yuriy_n17 | hi | 16:01 |
| bswartz | hi | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | #topic Announcements | 16:01 |
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| e0ne | hi | 16:01 |
| jgregor | Hello! | 16:01 |
| fernnest | hi | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | #info Bug stats: Cinder - 513 open bugs, Python-cinderclient - 38 open bugs, OS-Brick - 14 open bugs | 16:01 |
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| Guest67795 | hi | 16:01 |
| ameade | o/ | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | #link http://releases.openstack.org/mitaka/schedule.html Release schedule | 16:01 |
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| diablo_rojo | Hello :) | 16:01 |
| flip214 | hi | 16:01 |
| Swanson | hello | 16:01 |
| cfouts | hi | 16:01 |
| cknight | Hi | 16:01 |
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| Swanson | Early today. | 16:01 |
| tbarron | hi | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | Reminder that we are starting to get to the end of some of the deadlines. | 16:02 |
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| smcginnis | Non-client library freeze coming up quick, so we'll need to cut a final os-brick in about a week | 16:02 |
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| smcginnis | A few things outstanding there that I think we want to get through, so please watch for those reviews. | 16:02 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ | 16:03 |
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| smcginnis | Big one to keep in mind, feature freeze at the end of the month. | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | #topic Transition to LIO | 16:03 |
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| DuncanT | Will we consider replication support for drivers a bug? | 16:03 |
| sheel | smcginnis:+1 | 16:04 |
| DuncanT | I suspect we'll need to | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: Oh, good point. | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | Some leeway on those. | 16:04 |
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| smcginnis | I don't want anyone cut off due to our change of course if at all possible. | 16:04 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: Thanks for bringing that up! What kind of leeway are we talking? | 16:04 |
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| smcginnis | I will treat those like bugs so they have more time. | 16:04 |
| DuncanT | smcginnis: ++ | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | Until hard freeze I think. | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Good. | 16:05 |
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| smcginnis | But for those working on it - please don't wait!! | 16:05 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: we need to anounce it in the ML | 16:05 |
| vincent_hou | smcginnis: nice. | 16:05 |
| erlon | hey | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | I have been opening bugs for the V2 changes that I have seen go in to move them to V2.1 | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | Cheesecake for all! | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Good. | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | I like that. | 16:05 |
| * anteaya also likes cheesecake | 16:06 | |
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| smcginnis | eharney: jbernard doesn't seem to be here. Have you been working with him on any of the LIO stuff? | 16:06 |
| vincent_hou | We will get on that way from 2 => 2.1 for rep v2. | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | (getting back on topic) | 16:06 |
| eharney | i think i can cover the main question here | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | eharney: Thanks! | 16:06 |
| eharney | my understanding is that nobody is against the general idea of moving from scsi-target-utils to LIO as the default for the LVM driver now that's widely supported | 16:07 |
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| eharney | the primary technical reason we can't flip a switch for this is because there's a problem of changing that default and not breaking existing installs | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | eharney: +1 - I think the issue is upgrade handling, right? | 16:07 |
| mtanino | eharney: +1 | 16:07 |
| eharney | my proposal is to do something like we did for nas_secure_file options where they only take effect if you have no volumes (also framed as "new install") | 16:08 |
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| smcginnis | eharney: Seems reasonable. | 16:08 |
| eharney | so unless anyone has any general disagreements with switching over to LIO in general i think we should just head that direction | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | Anyone know of any issues with that? | 16:08 |
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| eharney | there has been an LIO CI for some time | 16:08 |
| vincent_hou | eharney: Is there any special drawback that we use scsi-target? just interested. | 16:09 |
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| e0ne | eharney: it that CI stable enough? | 16:09 |
| e0ne | s/it/is | 16:09 |
| eharney | vincent_hou: it's userspace and doesn't perform as well, doesn't support as many features, is not really the future (already dropped from EL7 where we did this migration long ago) | 16:09 |
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| smcginnis | anteaya: :) | 16:10 |
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| eharney | e0ne: as far as i know it is... | 16:10 |
| jbernard | o/ | 16:10 |
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| smcginnis | Yeah, I think from when I've watch LIO CI was pretty stable. | 16:10 |
| e0ne | eharney: could you please compare it with tgtd job using http://graphite.openstack.org? | 16:10 |
| eharney | e0ne: should pull stats, but afaik, it mirrors the LVM tgt CI just fine | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | From my understanding, the only reason we hadn't switch was the upgrade question. | 16:11 |
| jbernard | that's my primary question | 16:11 |
| jbernard | what do we and users expect if we change the default | 16:11 |
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| e0ne | it would be great to have real numbers how it is stable | 16:11 |
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| eharney | e0ne: we can get real numbers if you would like | 16:11 |
| eharney | jbernard: the general expectation IMO is don't break upgrades and work the same as the current driver | 16:12 |
| e0ne | eharney: AFAIR, we do it each time when we want to get job voting | 16:12 |
| eharney | e0ne: not a problem. | 16:12 |
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| jbernard | eharney: ok, that should be doable | 16:13 |
| e0ne | now, gate-tempest-dsvm-full-lio it not voting | 16:13 |
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| jbernard | e0ne: we'll need to change that | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | That would need to change. | 16:13 |
| eharney | no | 16:13 |
| e0ne | +1 | 16:13 |
| thingee | e0ne: LIO has existed the kernel for sometime. While that doesn't speak on stability, I am aware of it being used in real deployments. | 16:13 |
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| eharney | the change would be that the regular main job switches to LIO | 16:13 |
| eharney | not to make the LIO job voting | 16:13 |
| eharney | what we would do is create a different job for tgt | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | eharney: Good point. | 16:13 |
| jbernard | eharney: ahh, nice | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | The new tgt one then would need to be voting. | 16:14 |
| jbernard | eharney: swappa-dappa | 16:14 |
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| eharney | but these are all auxiliary points for now IMO | 16:14 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: +1 | 16:14 |
| jbernard | im happy to drive the effort, as long as we're all okay with that direction | 16:14 |
| DuncanT | It doesn't sound like anybody has a problem in principle - we just need to collect up to to-do list and work through it | 16:14 |
| eharney | right, so let's get to all the other topics here | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | jbernard: Yep, as long as we don't break upgrades, that sounds like the right thing to do. | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | eharney, jbernard: Thanks! | 16:15 |
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| smcginnis | #topic Outreachy projects | 16:15 |
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| smcginnis | jbernard: Still you. :) | 16:15 |
| jbernard | right, i applied to be a mentor for cinder | 16:15 |
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| jbernard | ive got a few project ideas | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | jbernard: Do you have an etherpad or anything like that going? | 16:16 |
| jbernard | but wanted to raise it here, if anyone has smallish bit-sized projects for new contributers | 16:16 |
| jbernard | smcginnis: not yet, but i can start one | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | jbernard: That might help. We can direct people there to capture ideas. | 16:16 |
| xyang2 | jbernard: does it have to be a project? can it be bug fixing? | 16:16 |
| jbernard | i think it can be anything that would help the project and allow a contributer to gain experience | 16:16 |
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| smcginnis | +1 | 16:17 |
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| diablo_rojo | +1 | 16:17 |
| vincent_hou | like low hanging fruit? | 16:17 |
| jbernard | so somthing simple like 'convert this driver to use versioned objects' | 16:17 |
| jbernard | or remove taskflow from volume create | 16:17 |
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| jbernard | although that's a larger undertaking | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | vincent_hou: Low hanging fruit would be a good way to help people get involved. | 16:17 |
| kmartin | lol | 16:17 |
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| scottda | How about "add functional test for X" | 16:17 |
| anteaya | jbernard: half the work with outreachy is being available everyday, so the mentee keeps showing up | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | vincent_hou: But I don't think we've been good tagging those. | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | scottda: That's a good idea. | 16:17 |
| vincent_hou | OK. | 16:17 |
| DuncanT | Removing taskflow is a fairly epic job to get right now | 16:17 |
| scottda | we're scarce in functional tests, and learning how to test Cinder is a great place to start | 16:18 |
| jbernard | DuncanT: yeah, i take taht one back | 16:18 |
| diablo_rojo | smcginnis: Last time I looked there weren't more than a dozen low hanging fruit tags | 16:18 |
| jbernard | anteaya: no problems ther | 16:18 |
| diablo_rojo | scottda: +1 | 16:18 |
| anteaya | jbernard: wonderful | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | diablo_rojo: I'm sure there are more, we just need to identify them. | 16:18 |
| diablo_rojo | smcginnis: True. | 16:18 |
| jbernard | ill start etherpads for both LIO and outreachy projects post links | 16:18 |
| anteaya | fully a 1/3 of the internship is learning our workflow | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | jbernard: Thanks for doing this. We can link the etherpads here if you have them. Or next time. | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | anteaya: Very true! | 16:19 |
| jbernard | smcginnis: ill have them for next time | 16:19 |
| dulek | jbernard: Any chance you'll post links to the ML? | 16:19 |
| jbernard | dulek: yep, very appropriate | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | jbernard: Perfect, thanks for doing this. I think it's great for the community. | 16:19 |
| sheel | jbernard: +1 | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | #topic Support for 4-byte unicode for naming volume, snapshot, CG, volume_type etc | 16:20 |
| jbernard | no problem, i hope there are some takers, it'd be great to have new folks | 16:20 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Support for 4-byte unicode for naming volume, snapshot, CG, volume_type etc (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:20 | |
| smcginnis | sheel: You're up. | 16:20 |
| sheel | hello all | 16:20 |
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| smcginnis | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1542413 Bug report | 16:20 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1542413 in Cinder "Unable to use 4-bytes unicode when creating volume, volume_type, CG, etc" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Jacob Gregor (jgregor) | 16:20 |
| sheel | ITs basically to discuss how we are going to handle unicode characters | 16:20 |
| sheel | MySQL's character set which is utf8 does not support 4 byte characters. | 16:20 |
| sheel | Should we prevent this issue(by prohibiting user for not using 4 byte characters) or fix it? | 16:20 |
| eharney | so i think we already have solved this | 16:21 |
| sheel | eharney: yes we have solved this by prohibiting user | 16:21 |
| eharney | no, we haven't | 16:21 |
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| DuncanT | eharney: The patch you linked makes our API dependant on the backing DB :-( | 16:21 |
| eharney | i have a patch up already that solves it by letting it work if the backend db supports it, and responds with the correct error message if it doesn't | 16:21 |
| eharney | DuncanT: how so? | 16:21 |
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| sheel | yes but that will not allow user to use 4 byte unicode characters | 16:22 |
| eharney | DuncanT: by not throwing 500 for errors coming from the db...? | 16:22 |
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| smcginnis | DuncanT: You mean something will worlk on one cloud but not another depending on the backing DB? | 16:22 |
| eharney | sheel: why not? | 16:22 |
| DuncanT | eharney: The user has no way to know if they can use 4-byte unicode messages or not unless they try it | 16:22 |
| mriedem | smcginnis: that would be my concern | 16:22 |
| mriedem | right | 16:22 |
| mriedem | it's not discoverable | 16:22 |
| eharney | that is true | 16:22 |
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| smcginnis | Well, "discoverable" but not in a good way. ;) | 16:23 |
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| eharney | so the patch i linked still needs to land, but you are considering adding a more purposeful check at the API layer to prevent it intentionally | 16:23 |
| DuncanT | IMO it is something we really need to be consistent about | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: Link? | 16:23 |
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| sheel | eharney: if user tries 4 byte will they wont get error message, though gentle message but still they prohibity user from using it | 16:23 |
| flip214 | well, "discoverable" as in "have some trash table and try to insert there", right? | 16:23 |
| sheel | right? | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | This one? | 16:23 |
| vincent_hou | I guess I can try to save Vhinese chars as names to test. | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/266036/ | 16:23 |
| eharney | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/266036/ | 16:23 |
| vincent_hou | Chinese | 16:23 |
| bswartz | why can't support for 4-byte utf-8 get added to mysql and then we can require that? | 16:23 |
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| jungleboyj | Thanks. | 16:24 |
| eharney | bswartz: i've wondered what the perf implications are of changing to the utf8mb4 char set, does anyone know? | 16:24 |
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| eharney | mysql supports it but you have to create the database in a way that uses it | 16:24 |
| mriedem | jaypipes was talking about this same issue at the nova midcycle | 16:24 |
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| mriedem | so i'd ask jay about the 4-byte utf8 mysql thing | 16:24 |
| smcginnis | I would think maybe a little extra storage overhead, but maybe more? | 16:24 |
| bswartz | 4-byte unicode is worth supporting IMO | 16:24 |
| DuncanT | eharney: Can you do a migrate? | 16:24 |
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| jgregor | eharney: Based on some initial investigation I have done, I do not see any major issues that would need to be tackled. | 16:24 |
| jeblair | mordred, SpamapS, or jaypipes may be able to help | 16:24 |
| eharney | DuncanT: i don't know | 16:24 |
| smcginnis | mriedem: Do you remember where that conversation ended up? | 16:24 |
| mriedem | smcginnis: that it wasn't funh | 16:25 |
| mriedem | *fun | 16:25 |
| clarkb | you can migrate | 16:25 |
| jgregor | eharney: We would need to check the maximum length of columns and index keys. | 16:25 |
| smcginnis | mriedem: Is there a plan to support in nova? | 16:25 |
| mriedem | smcginnis: i don't think so | 16:25 |
| smcginnis | mriedem: OK, thanks. | 16:25 |
| clarkb | and the overhead is 4 bytes per character instead of 3 | 16:25 |
| mordred | what did I do? | 16:25 |
| jeblair | clarkb: probably not the end of the world for volume name fields | 16:25 |
| jeblair | mordred: perf/feasibility implications of 4 byte utf8 in mysql | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | I'm curious if the backends that use the volume name can actually support this too. | 16:26 |
| mordred | ah | 16:26 |
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| eharney | smcginnis: they probably shouldn't be doing that | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | eharney: Yeah | 16:26 |
| eharney | by which i mean, definitely shouldn't | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | And maybe there aren't now, but I thought we had some that were using volume name. | 16:27 |
| sheel | In that case, I think its better to go with eharney's patch | 16:27 |
| DuncanT | smcginnis: Once cinder can handle it, we can push some tests into tempest to see what explodes | 16:27 |
| mc_nair | seems useful to coordinate cross-project on this since everyone will be hitting a similar issue | 16:27 |
| eharney | sheel: they're orthogonal | 16:27 |
| eharney | we need to land patches like mine to go from HTTP 500->400 now | 16:27 |
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| jungleboyj | smcginnis: I haven't seen that? | 16:27 |
| eharney | actual support is a different question | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | mc_nair: Good point. | 16:27 |
| eharney | which can be done alongside or after that | 16:27 |
| mordred | so, last time I cared full 4-byte support was shallow, that might have improved - but the big difference is that size explosion | 16:27 |
| sheel | eharney: yes | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | If nova is discussing this too, that's a good sign it's a cross project issue. | 16:27 |
| mordred | are we talking for volume names? | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | mc_nair: Good point. diablo_rojo ^^^ | 16:27 |
| sheel | eharney: that is true | 16:27 |
| jeblair | mordred: yes | 16:27 |
| mordred | yah. should be fine | 16:27 |
| DuncanT | mordred: Yes | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | So I think eharney's patch is probably a good first step. | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | But we need a larger plan. | 16:28 |
| DuncanT | mordred: Probably metadata k/v and similar as well | 16:28 |
| hemna | mornin | 16:28 |
| sheel | smcginnis: yes, that s why i raise this for meeting | 16:28 |
| mordred | just be aware that you're going to be increasing storage requirements by 4x in indexes at least - and I can't remember whether it's on-disk or in-memory where everything gets blown out to 4-bytes-per-char regardless of if the char is actually a 4-byte char | 16:28 |
| diablo_rojo | jungleboyj: Is this something you would like me to bring up in the next cp meeting? | 16:28 |
| mc_nair | think every project will hit this same discussion for anywhere they let user defined names | 16:28 |
| mordred | for things like that it's likely a non-issue | 16:28 |
| clarkb | mordred: everything iirc | 16:28 |
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| clarkb | (I had to do this for etherpad) | 16:29 |
| mordred | clarkb: there's one place where it doesn't blow out - but I cannot remember where that is | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | diablo_rojo: Can you work with sheel and raise this as a cross project issue? | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: Possibly if that is the concensus here. | 16:29 |
| flip214 | that'll get funny on the REST connections (JSON), too | 16:29 |
| mordred | clarkb: safer to just assume it's everytihng | 16:29 |
| diablo_rojo | smcginnis: Definitely | 16:29 |
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| mordred | it's DEFINITELY indexes | 16:29 |
| sheel | diablo_rojo: smcginnis : thanks | 16:29 |
| jungleboyj | mc_nair: Good call on the cross projectness. | 16:29 |
| diablo_rojo | sheel: Maybe we involve jgregor too? | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | OK, let's raise this for CP. I don't think we can decide anything here right now. | 16:29 |
| eharney | so we're ok with continuing to land patches to go from http 500->400 in the meantime? | 16:30 |
| mordred | which tends to be the biggest issue, because it can cause index buffers to get overblown more quickly leading to performance degredation if index buffer sizes are not increased | 16:30 |
| sheel | diablo_rojo: yup | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | eharney: Yes, I think so. | 16:30 |
| jgregor | diablo_rojo: sheel :) | 16:30 |
| eharney | smcginnis: ok | 16:30 |
| diablo_rojo | sheel: jgregor Cool. We all can chat after the meeting | 16:30 |
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| mc_nair | smcginnis: +1 | 16:30 |
| sheel | diablo_rojo: jgregor :yes | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | #topic New behavior of DocImpact tag | 16:30 |
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| sheel | smcginnis: eharney +1 | 16:30 |
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| smcginnis | So some of you may have noticed this by now. | 16:31 |
| smcginnis | There's been a change in what happens when you put a DocImpact tag in a commit. | 16:31 |
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| sheel | yes | 16:31 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: sheel Thanks for the attention to this. It keeps coming up. Would be good to resolve. | 16:31 |
| xyang2 | smcginnis: this behavior doesn't make sense. it should be a bug in openstack manuals | 16:31 |
| sheel | new bugs | 16:31 |
| smcginnis | From what I understood, in the past it would open a bug against the doc team. | 16:31 |
| smcginnis | xyang2: I actually like it, though it's more work for us. | 16:31 |
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| hemna | what does it do now ? | 16:32 |
| xyang2 | smcginnis: what do we need to do in cinder? | 16:32 |
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| eharney | xyang2: don't some of them need to land in release notes that we handle? | 16:32 |
| sheel | jungleboyj: welcome | 16:32 |
| xyang2 | eharney: in my case, it is already added to release notes | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | With the old way manuals would then need to look at the patch and try out what changed and what the doc impact was. | 16:32 |
| xyang2 | so I need to add that in openstack manuals | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | Most of the time there was no detail to explain what the doc impact was in the commit. | 16:32 |
| xyang2 | not sure what else to change in cinder as it is a new feature in driver | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | So folks that don't know the code and might not even be programmers were stuck doing investigation. | 16:32 |
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| mriedem | smcginnis: reviewers can always -1 when there is no explanation in the commit message with the DocImpact tag | 16:33 |
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| smcginnis | So the new approach is these bugs will not be opened against the project where they came from. | 16:33 |
| mriedem | it's actually in the docs that there should be an explanation | 16:33 |
| smcginnis | mriedem: We kinda sorta did that once in awhile. | 16:33 |
| mtanino | mriedem: +1 | 16:33 |
| smcginnis | So really there is just one extra step. | 16:33 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: You mean "now be opened" | 16:33 |
| sheel | smcginnis: I think this is right way, but how we though about to move with it | 16:33 |
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| smcginnis | *now | 16:34 |
| xyang2 | now it opened a bug in cinder right after the feature was merged in cinder | 16:34 |
| eharney | does our use of reno now mean that if we only want release notes, just add them and don't add DocImpact? | 16:34 |
| mriedem | eharney: that's what nova has been doing | 16:34 |
| xyang2 | so we need to fix it in openstack manuals and close it in cinder? | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | eharney: Sometimes that can be the case. | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | I think we overused DocImpact to be honest. | 16:34 |
| mriedem | DocImpact is really usually only the manuals | 16:34 |
| mriedem | smcginnis: +1 | 16:34 |
| eharney | seems sensible | 16:34 |
| mtanino | xyang2: Should we also add openstack-manual to the opened bug? | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | But maybe I can finish explaining the process now. ;) | 16:34 |
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| xyang2 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1543407 | 16:35 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1543407 in Cinder " ScaleIO QoS Support" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Xing Yang (xing-yang) | 16:35 |
| xyang2 | here is the bug opened for me automatically | 16:35 |
| sheel | smcginnis: yes, plz | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | So the extra step is when a patch lands with DocImpact, we need to add info about the documeentation impact in the bug that is opened. | 16:35 |
| xyang2 | but the patch just got merged in cinder | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | Bahhhhhhh | 16:35 |
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| smcginnis | :) | 16:35 |
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| smcginnis | Once some information about what needs to be documented is added to the bug, it then can be switched over to the manuals project. | 16:36 |
| xyang2 | we can add it in the bug but we can only fix it in manuals | 16:36 |
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| xyang2 | so there's no more patch to submit in cinder | 16:36 |
| smcginnis | They then have the information they need to update the manuals. | 16:36 |
| hemna | smcginnis, is this change documented anywhere ? | 16:36 |
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| mriedem | does anything comment on the patch saying there was a bug opened? or you have to hunt for it? | 16:36 |
| hemna | I'm sure to forget this shit | 16:36 |
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| mriedem | knowing how great LP search works | 16:37 |
| jgriffith_away | hemna: +1, yeah... we've just made this really difficult IMO | 16:37 |
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| smcginnis | xyang2: Right, it's opened in Cinder so we triage it, then switched to manuals to be closed with a patch. | 16:37 |
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| hemna | jgriffith_away, +1 yah I don't get this change at all. This is a mess IMHO | 16:37 |
| mriedem | i'd hope the bug is at least tagged with 'documentation' | 16:37 |
| smcginnis | hemna: Somewhere, but unfortunately I'm unprepared and don't have that handy. | 16:37 |
| xyang2 | smcginnis: ok, right weird | 16:37 |
| Swanson | jgriffith, you're not dead! | 16:37 |
| hemna | basically it's just going to make people not use DocImpact at all now. | 16:37 |
| xyang2 | hemna: tagged with cinder doc | 16:37 |
| jgriffith | Swanson: not quite yet... come back next Tuesday | 16:37 |
| mriedem | well, honestly, this isn't really any worse than what happened before | 16:37 |
| smcginnis | mriedem: The bug gets opened tagged with "cinder" and "doc", so easy to query. | 16:37 |
| mriedem | before a docs bug would be opened and sit for years | 16:38 |
| mriedem | b/c no details | 16:38 |
| diablo_rojo | hemna: +1 I can see that happening | 16:38 |
| smcginnis | mriedem: +1 | 16:38 |
| hemna | yah I don't see a point in even using the tag now. | 16:38 |
| smcginnis | Now we need to think about whether something really is a DocImpact or not. | 16:38 |
| mriedem | now a cinder bug is opened so there is a marginally better chance someone will ping a person to doc it and send it over to manuals | 16:38 |
| anteaya | the point of the change is to reduce the load on the docs folks as they have not been able to work productively | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | mriedem: don't get me wrong... I'm just saying it's not clear *yet* | 16:38 |
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| smcginnis | Which we should have been doing in the first place. | 16:38 |
| smcginnis | And stop dumping on the manual team to go figure it out. | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | anteaya: and that seems completely fair/reasonable :) | 16:38 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: +1 | 16:39 |
| anteaya | and that's the point but I understand that the change in routine is upsetting | 16:39 |
| smcginnis | SO we definitely still want to use this for new config options and new features. | 16:39 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: smcginnis Sounds like something that we will have to monitor. | 16:39 |
| smcginnis | That requires updates to the docs. | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | anteaya: mriedem smcginnis I was just saying that following your discussion on the process here was kinda confusing. We need to get it written up clearly and concisely | 16:39 |
| smcginnis | But now we have the ownership to say what needs to be added. | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | anteaya: mriedem smcginnis and make sure it's easy to find etc | 16:39 |
| geguileo | jgriffith: +1 | 16:39 |
| mtanino | jgriffith: +1 | 16:40 |
| smcginnis | Instead of assuming someone not part of cinder can figure it out on their own. | 16:40 |
| anteaya | jgriffith: that is reasonable | 16:40 |
| mriedem | jgriffith: so write docs about the docs process? :) | 16:40 |
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| mriedem | it's a catch-22 | 16:40 |
| hemna | mriedem, :) | 16:40 |
| e0ne | jgriffith: +1 | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | mriedem: well.. no it's not | 16:40 |
| mriedem | joking... | 16:40 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: Confusing for sure. | 16:40 |
| diablo_rojo | smcginnis: is there a reason why this happened isnstead of just forcing people to explain the DocImpact tag in the commit? | 16:40 |
| sheel | smcginnis: so, may be this can be monitored by cinder-bug team member and just assign this to member who worked on patch to add this infomation | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | mriedem: if you want process that's how it works :) | 16:40 |
| smcginnis | Woudl have been a lot less if I could have just explained it first. :) | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | mriedem: Oh... ok... :) | 16:40 |
| jungleboyj | Something that everyone shoudl be responsible for. And everyone can help out with. | 16:40 |
| mriedem | i <3 process | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | mriedem: sorry | 16:40 |
| anteaya | diablo_rojo: because people weren't | 16:40 |
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| jgriffith | mriedem: you do not!!! | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | liar | 16:40 |
| smcginnis | sheel: That's waht I've been doing. | 16:40 |
| sheel | smcginnis: yup, i see this | 16:41 |
| sheel | :) | 16:41 |
| mriedem | diablo_rojo: b/c reviewers weren't enforcing that | 16:41 |
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| smcginnis | mriedem: +1 | 16:41 |
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| sheel | I wil try to overload you for this | 16:41 |
| diablo_rojo | anteaya: I wasn't aware that was something we had to do otherwise I definitely would have :/ | 16:41 |
| * jgriffith is certainly guilty | 16:41 | |
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| anteaya | #link this email to the -dev list may help http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-February/085733.html | 16:41 |
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| diablo_rojo | anteaya: Thanks :) | 16:41 |
| smcginnis | Bringing it up here so folks understand now and know what it means to us. | 16:41 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: ++ | 16:41 |
| * jgriffith catches maybe 1 in 10... or 1 in 100 | 16:41 | |
| smcginnis | anteaya: Thanks!! | 16:41 |
| anteaya | diablo_rojo: well now you have expanded your awareness | 16:41 |
| anteaya | smcginnis: welcome | 16:41 |
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| diablo_rojo | anteaya: True :) | 16:42 |
| DuncanT | diablo_rojo: Many people weren't aware, including reviews, don't feel bad | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | And on that, I'm done talking doc bugs. Bleh. | 16:42 |
| hemna | jgriffith, +1 | 16:42 |
| xyang2 | smcginnis: thingee used to hold off the release notes until a doc patch is added, but now we are adding release notes as part of the patch | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | #topic Deprecating cinder client | 16:42 |
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| diablo_rojo | DuncanT: its an easy thing to look at and I totally would have had I know, but oh well. New process here we come | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | thingee: Hey | 16:42 |
| jungleboyj | Well, now we need to be aware of the doc bugs and get people responding. | 16:42 |
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| thingee | hi | 16:42 |
| jungleboyj | diablo_rojo: ++ | 16:42 |
| thingee | so deprecating cinder client in favor of the openstack client http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/openstack-specs/specs/deprecate-cli.html | 16:42 |
| DuncanT | A wild Mike appears.... | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | We've talked about this some here and at the midcycle. | 16:43 |
| thingee | your wonderful cp-spec liaison has brought this up a few times | 16:43 |
| DuncanT | thingee: Did you see the notes from the midcycle about this? | 16:43 |
| e0ne | we decided to not do it in Mitaka | 16:43 |
| thingee | as I understand the author of the spec has already been in contact with smcginnis about this | 16:43 |
| * diablo_rojo blushes | 16:43 | |
| smcginnis | I agree we want to have osc be the one CLI to rule them all. | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | Some day | 16:43 |
| thingee | DuncanT: no | 16:43 |
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| * SpamapS perks up at the mention of utf8. Please to ping me when open discussion begins or we can loop back to that topic. | 16:43 | |
| e0ne | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-cinder-midcycle-day-1 | 16:43 |
| smcginnis | We need to get to feature parity between cinderclient and osc. | 16:44 |
| smcginnis | Then we can start thinking about deprecating. | 16:44 |
| hemna | smcginnis, +1 | 16:44 |
| smcginnis | Until then, I'm not going to change anything. | 16:44 |
| thingee | So I started looking at osc and cinder client and noticed there is quite a bit missing | 16:44 |
| thingee | yes exactly | 16:44 |
| hemna | I don't think it makes any sense to deprecate right now. | 16:44 |
| smcginnis | thingee: Yeah. :/ | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: thingee ??? | 16:44 |
| smcginnis | jbernard: Outreachy ^^ | 16:44 |
| smcginnis | jbernard: Add cinderclient functionality to osc. | 16:44 |
| scottda | We hope to land microversions soon. I was told OSC does not yet support microversions | 16:44 |
| thingee | so wanted to see what the group thought on this effort | 16:44 |
| diablo_rojo | hemna: You had posted a pretty huge list in the reviews and that wasn't complete right? | 16:44 |
| hemna | smcginnis, thingee I even pointed out some of those differences in the gerrit review for the client deprecation. | 16:44 |
| thingee | it's not going to get better as people keep adding to cinder client | 16:45 |
| hemna | diablo_rojo, correct. I took a 5 minute pass and lined out many items that were missing. | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | thingee: let's be clear here... this is just cli | 16:45 |
| smcginnis | thingee: On the other hand, we can't stop improving things waiting for osc to get caught up. | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | thingee: osc uses cinderclient | 16:45 |
| diablo_rojo | hemna: and there were some pretty important things missing there | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | thingee: correct? | 16:45 |
| thingee | jgriffith: yup, that's true. so we cinder client needs it still | 16:45 |
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| thingee | forgot about that | 16:45 |
| thingee | but anyways, the effort towards getting stuff moved over... | 16:46 |
| jungleboyj | So, we need to be making sure that anything that is touching cinderclient also get as change to OSC as well. Right? | 16:46 |
| DuncanT | thingee: We were wondering if there was a way to put the cinder bits in cinder-client and have OSC suck them out, rather than needing to go to the OSC repo for every new feature? | 16:46 |
| thingee | jungleboyj: yes | 16:46 |
| jungleboyj | Reviewers!!! :-) | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: if you want a cli for it yes | 16:46 |
| DuncanT | thingee: i.e. make it discover stuff out of cinder-client | 16:46 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: Oh yeah, forgot that. That would be ideal. | 16:46 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Right. | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: it's just cli impact | 16:46 |
| thingee | DuncanT: not that I'm aware of, but it's really just setting the CLI to the cinder client method it should call | 16:46 |
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| jgriffith | jungleboyj: righty ho | 16:46 |
| thingee | in theory nothing too crazy | 16:46 |
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| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Right. Understood. Just wanted to make note here. | 16:47 |
| hemna | jungleboyj, OSC needs CLI commands to what cinderclient already provides. | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | https://github.com/openstack/python-openstackclient/tree/master/openstackclient/volume | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: ^^ | 16:47 |
| DuncanT | thingee: Going through another review cycle unnecessarily is pretty crazy IMO | 16:47 |
| hemna | there are lots of things missing that OSC needs to support. | 16:47 |
| hemna | DuncanT, +1 | 16:47 |
| e0ne | thingee: we're are going to try to implement OSC plugin inside cniderclient | 16:47 |
| smcginnis | I'm going to move on as I don't think we can do anything immediately on this and we have other stuff to cover. | 16:47 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT: no magic there... just a lot of work | 16:47 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: Understood. And we need to be aware taht any future CLI changes shouldn't be missed. | 16:47 |
| smcginnis | #topic Status of api-microversions patch set | 16:47 |
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| smcginnis | scottda: Hey | 16:47 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: Needs more magic | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: :) | 16:47 |
| scottda | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/224910 | 16:47 |
| thingee | smcginnis: so my point of this was anybody care? anybody interested in working on this. | 16:48 |
| smcginnis | thingee: I think yes. | 16:48 |
| scottda | patches pass Jenkins and are ready for review | 16:48 |
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| diablo_rojo | DuncanT: Theres always a need for more magic :) | 16:48 |
| smcginnis | thingee: I'm hoping to spend a little time on it as well. | 16:48 |
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| smcginnis | scottda: Anything missing yet? | 16:48 |
| DuncanT | thingee: I might try to prototype my idea, or convince somebody else to | 16:48 |
| hemna | scottda, we finally passing Jenkins? | 16:48 |
| scottda | I'm hopeful I can get tests (functional, tempest) up as a separate patch | 16:48 |
| scottda | hemna: We were passing Jenkins, but /v3 enpoint had to be added. Passing now. | 16:49 |
| diablo_rojo | DuncanT: if you can prototype it you could get your ATC code | 16:49 |
| scottda | And I've adressed any review comments that I know of | 16:49 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:49 |
| smcginnis | diablo_rojo: Hah! | 16:49 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: She got you. | 16:49 |
| hemna | scottda, excellent. | 16:49 |
| diablo_rojo | scottda: Good work. | 16:50 |
| scottda | I hope review objections can be made soon, so fixes can be made, etc. ....We're getting close to feature freeze | 16:50 |
| smcginnis | scottda: Live demo? | 16:50 |
| hemna | scottda, I'll help review | 16:50 |
| scottda | I can also do a demo, | 16:50 |
| jungleboyj | scottda: Good news. | 16:50 |
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| jungleboyj | scottda: Will try to look. | 16:50 |
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| scottda | Thurs or Fri at 16:00 UTC? (this meeting time)? | 16:50 |
| smcginnis | scottda: Thinking google hangout recorded to our Youtube channel? | 16:50 |
| scottda | smcginnis: yes | 16:50 |
| scottda | How about Friday 16:00 UTC? | 16:51 |
| smcginnis | scottda: That would be great to have. | 16:51 |
| smcginnis | scottda: I think that time works for me. | 16:51 |
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| scottda | OK, I'll set it up and post to ML | 16:51 |
| hemna | scottda, google hangout ? | 16:51 |
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| smcginnis | scottda: Thanks for working on this. A lot involved to get that through. | 16:51 |
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| scottda | hemna: yes, + Youtube (I'll need your help with that, I reckon) | 16:51 |
| hemna | scottda, I can setup a youtube live stream to host it | 16:51 |
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| smcginnis | A/V Club to the rescue. :) | 16:52 |
| scottda | Soooo...can functional/tempest tests be added as a separate patch set? | 16:52 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: Is our hero! | 16:52 |
| smcginnis | scottda: I think so. | 16:52 |
| smcginnis | scottda: I wouldn't want to cram too much in one patchset. | 16:52 |
| smcginnis | scottda: Probably better to break it out. | 16:52 |
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| scottda | OK, so please beat up on it ASAP | 16:52 |
| hemna | is that 8am PST ? | 16:53 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Do you think scottda is trustworthy? ;-) | 16:53 |
| hemna | this Friday ? | 16:53 |
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| smcginnis | :) | 16:53 |
| scottda | hemna: Yes. Same time as this meeting, but on Friday | 16:53 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: We know where he lives. | 16:53 |
| hemna | crap, I can't make that time. | 16:53 |
| jungleboyj | :-) | 16:53 |
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| smcginnis | scottda: Oh, actually I have a conflict too. | 16:53 |
| scottda | I can push out 1 hour? 17:00 UTC Friday? Too late for e0ne and DuncanT ? | 16:53 |
| DuncanT | Ok for me | 16:54 |
| e0ne | 17:00 UTC is good for me | 16:54 |
| smcginnis | scottda: I'm bust until 17:30 UTC. | 16:54 |
| eharney | FYI we still have HA on the agenda and six minutes left | 16:54 |
| smcginnis | But if we capture this in a video I think that's OK. | 16:54 |
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| scottda | OK, we can debate the times in channel afterwards. | 16:54 |
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| scottda | That's it. Move on. | 16:54 |
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| smcginnis | #info Tentative demo time, 17:00 UTC Friday | 16:55 |
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| smcginnis | #topic Job distribution for HA A/A | 16:55 |
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| smcginnis | geguileo: Hi | 16:55 |
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| geguileo | For job distribution, do we need/want to disable specific nodes? | 16:55 |
| DuncanT | geguileo: yes | 16:55 |
| geguileo | Should this disabling have the same effect as disabling has now (only prevent scheduler RPC calls)? Or should it also prevent the node from processing RPC calls coming from the API nodes? | 16:55 |
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| DuncanT | geguileo: The later if there are other nodes in the group IMO, though that is a nice-to-have rather than a hard requirement | 16:56 |
| geguileo | DuncanT: If I remember correctly you wanted to stop them completely, right? | 16:56 |
| DuncanT | geguileo: It would be nice for disable to mean 'leave that node the hell alone' | 16:56 |
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| geguileo | Ok, then the idea I propose is to stop the RPC server | 16:57 |
| geguileo | When the node is disabled and start it again when it is enabled again | 16:57 |
| geguileo | For that we would be polling the DB to see the status of disabled | 16:57 |
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| geguileo | The alternative is creating a new message queue for each backend-node pair | 16:57 |
| smcginnis | 2 minute warning | 16:58 |
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| geguileo | And getting the enable/disable in that queue | 16:58 |
| geguileo | Any preference? | 16:58 |
| DuncanT | geguileo: Or having more than one RPC channel to the manager | 16:58 |
| DuncanT | Ah, yes, new message queue, same thing | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | geguileo: DuncanT is there a possibility of doing something more simple first? | 16:58 |
| DuncanT | Better than polling I think | 16:58 |
| geguileo | jgriffith: Yep, not allowing disabling nodes | 16:58 |
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| jgriffith | geguileo: DuncanT like a disable in the manager? Or say like setting a check in rpc.api for service status? | 16:59 |
| flip214 | DRBD has the same problem... a "normal" disconnect might take very long (draining buffers), forced does it NOW... with bad side effects. | 16:59 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: disabling nodes I'd really like, but if that is only at the scheduler level I'm fine with that as a starter | 16:59 |
| geguileo | DuncanT: I think it's also better but it may be considerably more complicated and will duplicate our queues | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | for both cast and call | 16:59 |
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| smcginnis | Pick this up again next week? | 16:59 |
| flip214 | don't know which would be more appropriate here, though... I guess waiting for all tasks currently in-progress might takes up to hours | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: I agree with you, just wonder if there's a way to do it without trying to be too clever and showing off :) | 17:00 |
| smcginnis | Or discuss in channel. | 17:00 |
| smcginnis | No showing off?? | 17:00 |
| DuncanT | flip214: Disable shouldn't normally kill running tasks... that's kind of the point IMO | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: :) | 17:00 |
| smcginnis | Alright, we're out of time. | 17:00 |
| smcginnis | Thanks everyone. | 17:00 |
| geguileo | jgriffith: I'm really looking for the simplest solution | 17:00 |
| smcginnis | #endmeeting | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 10 17:00:48 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-02-10-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-02-10-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-02-10-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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| jlvillal | #startmeeting ironic_qa | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 10 17:01:18 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jlvillal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic_qa)" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic_qa' | 17:01 |
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| [1]cdearborn | o/ | 17:01 |
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| jlvillal | Sorry I'm late | 17:01 |
| rpioso | o/ | 17:01 |
| devananda | o/ | 17:01 |
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| jlvillal | #topic Announcements | 17:02 |
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| krtaylor | o/ | 17:02 |
| maurosr | \o | 17:02 |
| mjturek1 | o/ | 17:02 |
| jlvillal | I don't have any announcements. | 17:02 |
| jlvillal | Does anyone else have anything to announce? | 17:02 |
| krtaylor | mjturek1, maurosr - want to plug your ironic session? | 17:03 |
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| mjturek1 | sure, if it's not frowned upon | 17:03 |
| mjturek1 | we have a ironic QA session for summit up for voting | 17:03 |
| jlvillal | Sure. I guess :) | 17:03 |
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| jlvillal | #info mjturek1 maurosr Have an Ironic QA related session up for voting | 17:04 |
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| jlvillal | link? | 17:04 |
| sambetts | o/ | 17:04 |
| mjturek1 | grabbing it now | 17:04 |
| krtaylor | well I'd encourage everyone to vote for their favorite talks | 17:04 |
| krtaylor | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/vote-for-speakers/presentation/7334 | 17:04 |
| jlvillal | Thanks | 17:04 |
| mjturek1 | thanks krtaylor | 17:04 |
| jlvillal | Any other announcements? | 17:04 |
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| jlvillal | Okay moving on.... | 17:04 |
| jlvillal | #topic Grenade testing | 17:05 |
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| jlvillal | #info jlvillal again got involved with other work and didn't have time this past week. Things are looking much better for this week. | 17:05 |
| jlvillal | Sorry about that folks. | 17:05 |
| jlvillal | But I think my work in bringing up a bunch of servers is ramping down. So I should have more cycles this week. | 17:06 |
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| jlvillal | #topic Announcements | 17:06 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: ironic_qa)" | 17:06 | |
| jlvillal | #info No meeting next week, as we have the virtual mid-cycle | 17:06 |
| sambetts | TinyIPA merged | 17:07 |
| sambetts | :) | 17:07 |
| krtaylor | nice | 17:07 |
| devananda | sambetts: o/^5 | 17:07 |
| jlvillal | #info TinyIPA merged! | 17:07 |
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| jlvillal | #topic Functional testing | 17:07 |
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| mjturek1 | hey jlvillal, maurosr and I have an quick update on functional testing | 17:07 |
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| jlvillal | mjturek1: Great! | 17:07 |
| mjturek1 | We started some initial investigations on functional testing, and we're thinking the nova code base would be a better basis than glance. | 17:07 |
| jlvillal | Feel free to #info things | 17:07 |
| mjturek1 | Specifically, the use of fixtures to create the services seems to be the right approach, though we are totally up for suggestions. | 17:08 |
| jlvillal | Sounds reasonable to me. From when I was looking at the fixtures. | 17:08 |
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| mjturek1 | very cool | 17:08 |
| mjturek1 | We've started adding some code for creating fixtures for the ironic services. Though we haven't published it anywhere yet (it's not tested/functional yet) | 17:08 |
| jlvillal | The Nova stuff sort of confused me as it was an onion of layers it seemed. | 17:08 |
| mjturek1 | lol, yeah it took some time to understand what was going on there | 17:09 |
| jlvillal | One class led to another class to another class. Etc.. From what I remember. | 17:09 |
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| mjturek1 | yep very true | 17:09 |
| jlvillal | My head started hurting... :) | 17:09 |
| mjturek1 | hahaha | 17:09 |
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| maurosr | jlvillal: we're curious though about what ironic team decided to belong or not to functional testing | 17:09 |
| jlvillal | maurosr: Not quite sure I understand that question. | 17:09 |
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| jlvillal | I think in general we would like to have functional testing to exercise the code more and hopefully improve the quality of the code. | 17:10 |
| jlvillal | Not sure if that answers the question maurosr | 17:10 |
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| jlvillal | Oh, I think you are asking what should functional testing test? | 17:10 |
| jlvillal | Is that correct? | 17:11 |
| maurosr | jlvillal: it does, so I think that includes several areas, like api, db, conductor and such | 17:11 |
| maurosr | yeah, exactly | 17:11 |
| krtaylor | hm, well initially functional moving out of tempest was a place to move tests that were to big or slow for gate, but we have morphed that a bit to be a more simple way for ironic devs to test functionality as well | 17:11 |
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| jlvillal | So my thought for functional testing is to have it as isolated as we can. As few external dependencies as possible. | 17:11 |
| krtaylor | ++ | 17:11 |
| jlvillal | We already have tempest testing for testing it as part of the bigger project. | 17:11 |
| rajinir | o/ | 17:11 |
| jlvillal | So functional testing would be ironic-api and ironic-conductor and any bare essentials to make those work. | 17:12 |
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| maurosr | jlvillal: so do you agree that most of tempest's api testing could be moved to functional? | 17:12 |
| jlvillal | Maybe that would be RabbitMQ or maybe there is a way to use oslo.messaging without RabbitMQ | 17:12 |
| maurosr | we probably want to keep only the scenario tests on ironic side, correct? | 17:12 |
| jlvillal | maurosr: Not sure about 'moved'. But maybe we could 'copy' a lot of it. If it works. | 17:12 |
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| maurosr | right | 17:13 |
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| jlvillal | I don't want us to lessen what the tempest tests are doing. | 17:13 |
| maurosr | ok, got it | 17:13 |
| jlvillal | Thanks | 17:13 |
| mjturek1 | is this something we should bring up at midcycle (what functional tests should excercise)? | 17:13 |
| devananda | we can not remove the API testing from tempest | 17:13 |
| jlvillal | +1 | 17:14 |
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| maurosr | devananda: I didn't meant to remove from tempest, but from ironic's tempest plugin | 17:14 |
| devananda | and in fact, with the move to our tempest plugin, we need to start being very mindful of how we change those things | 17:14 |
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| krtaylor | functional testing was meant to be moved out of tempest testing for projects that had a huge slow gate, they were meant to be periodic, but we don't have that problem with gate being bloated | 17:14 |
| jlvillal | #info maurosr mjturek1 have started some initial investigations on functional testing, and are thinking the nova code base would be a better basis than glance. | 17:14 |
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| krtaylor | yes, lets discuss at midcycle | 17:15 |
| devananda | tempest API tests are the basis of defcore. ironic is not part of the set of projects currently considered for defcore ... but if we ever hope to be, those API tests would be the basis | 17:15 |
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| jlvillal | #info Tempest API tests should remain in tempest. Tempest API tests could be used to help in writing functional tests. But tests should not be "moved" from Tempest to functional. | 17:16 |
| jlvillal | Anything else on functional testing? | 17:17 |
| maurosr | no! | 17:17 |
| jlvillal | :) | 17:17 |
| mjturek1 | not at the moment | 17:17 |
| mjturek1 | thanks for the info tagging jlvillal | 17:17 |
| jlvillal | And now onto my favorite part of the meeting | 17:17 |
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| jlvillal | #topic 3rd Party CI (krtarylor) | 17:17 |
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| jlvillal | krtaylor: All yours. Please #info things of note :) | 17:18 |
| krtaylor | hehheh, favorite? | 17:18 |
| * jlvillal doesn't have to do anything :) | 17:18 | |
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| krtaylor | nothing to report this week, I too have been swamped with downstream activity, but it lifted today | 17:18 |
| krtaylor | I am hoping to get help from mjturek1 and maurosr for some doc changes based on their summit talk proposal | 17:19 |
| krtaylor | but thats about it | 17:19 |
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| jlvillal | krtaylor: Anything on emails sent or anything else? | 17:19 |
| jlvillal | Deadlines? etc... | 17:19 |
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| krtaylor | I have not seen any replies, but they may have gone directly to thingee | 17:20 |
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| jlvillal | krtaylor: There was an email sent out last week. Correct? | 17:20 |
| krtaylor | yes, thingee sent a detailed message, excellent | 17:20 |
| thingee | Have not receieved anything | 17:21 |
| krtaylor | ok, good to know | 17:21 |
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| thingee | jlvillal: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-February/085722.html | 17:21 |
| jlvillal | krtaylor: Anything you want to #info before we move on? | 17:21 |
| krtaylor | I think we're good for now, back to you | 17:22 |
| jlvillal | Thanks! | 17:22 |
| jlvillal | #topic Opens / General QA | 17:22 |
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| jlvillal | Anyone? Anyone? ... | 17:22 |
| devananda | krtaylor: how many vendor/drivers have not yet responded // put up a CI thing? | 17:23 |
| jlvillal | thingee: ^^^ maybe you know? | 17:24 |
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| krtaylor | devananda, I still need to crawl through that and identify those that have not done all the steps, han't had the time | 17:24 |
| sambetts | I'm still waiting for my lab team to put together my rack and then I'll be getting our (Cisco) CI up and running, I've created the wiki page with the accounts etc and just put down a status of In development | 17:24 |
| thingee | devananda: it should be all in that etherpad we've been communicating from the previous meeting | 17:25 |
| * thingee digs it up | 17:25 | |
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| thingee | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicCI | 17:25 |
| jlvillal | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicCI | 17:26 |
| jlvillal | Anything else? | 17:26 |
| devananda | thingee: thanks | 17:26 |
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| jlvillal | Okay. Thanks a lot everyone for attending. | 17:27 |
| jlvillal | Have a good day/evening. | 17:27 |
| jlvillal | Remember no meeting next week due to the mid-cycle. | 17:27 |
| jlvillal | #endmeeting | 17:27 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 10 17:27:39 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:27 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2016/ironic_qa.2016-02-10-17.01.html | 17:27 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2016/ironic_qa.2016-02-10-17.01.txt | 17:27 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2016/ironic_qa.2016-02-10-17.01.log.html | 17:27 |
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| skraynev_ | #startmeeting heat | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 10 20:00:05 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is skraynev_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 20:00 |
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| skraynev_ | #topic rollcall | 20:00 |
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| skraynev_ | anybody here? | 20:00 |
| shardy | o/ | 20:00 |
| stevebaker | hey | 20:00 |
| ochuprykov | hi | 20:00 |
| pas-ha | O/ | 20:00 |
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| skraynev_ | :) | 20:01 |
| prazumovsky | hello | 20:01 |
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| skraynev_ | ramishra: ping | 20:01 |
| skraynev_ | #topic Adding items to agenda | 20:02 |
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| skraynev_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282016-02-10_2000_UTC.29 | 20:02 |
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| skraynev_ | does anybody want to add something else? | 20:02 |
| skraynev_ | ok. let's start with existing items :) | 20:03 |
| skraynev_ | #topic ec2-token migration to OS resources | 20:04 |
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| skraynev_ | shardy: I have seen some mail thread about it. And it looks for me as a good candidate for summit session | 20:05 |
| stevebaker | skraynev_: agenda item, evaluating convergence as the default | 20:05 |
| shardy | skraynev_: why are you thinking a summit session is needed? | 20:05 |
| skraynev_ | shardy: could you clarify a bit current status of it? | 20:05 |
| skraynev_ | shardy: because I don't know where we are in this area. | 20:06 |
| skraynev_ | stevebaker: sure | 20:06 |
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| shardy | skraynev_: so there are two things - one is moving the default metadata/signal transport away from depending on the CFN API by default | 20:06 |
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| skraynev_ | and it's in progress afaik | 20:06 |
| shardy | and the other is that keystone folks are planning to move the ec2tokens implementation to a different repo | 20:06 |
| shardy | I've only recently heard about the latter, we need to keep track of it and ensure it doesn't break us | 20:07 |
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| shardy | skraynev_: we've not changed any defaults yet have we? | 20:07 |
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| Drago | o/ | 20:07 |
| skraynev_ | shardy: I thought, that I have seen some patch on review | 20:08 |
| shardy | I haven't proposed any patches, but I have started looking into how we may avoid breaking existing deployments such as TripleO | 20:08 |
| skraynev_ | Drago: hi | 20:08 |
| shardy | skraynev_: I haven't yet, I'll be happy to send a followup mail to the list tho, where we can work out what needs to be done | 20:08 |
| skraynev_ | shardy: another repo sounds like a new requirements in future | 20:08 |
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| shardy | skraynev_: yes, long term we may want to look at following the path of other projects and decouple the AWS compatibility APIs from the main repo | 20:10 |
| shardy | then we can decouple the requirements | 20:10 |
| shardy | I don't see how we can really discuss that until we no longer depend on the CFN API by default tho | 20:10 |
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| skraynev_ | shardy: got it. do you know when keystone team plan to move ec2tokens to another repo? | 20:11 |
| shardy | skraynev_: No, the first I learned about it was on the ML this week | 20:11 |
| skraynev_ | because if it is planned as part of Mitaka we have a really short time period | 20:11 |
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| skraynev_ | heh | 20:11 |
| shardy | skraynev_: Yeah, I hope it's only a deprecation for mitaka | 20:11 |
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| skraynev_ | shardy: yes. I currently open first mail too. | 20:12 |
| stevebaker | shardy: I think it is reasonable to request that whatever keystone does it should be possible for the current ec2token endpoint to continue working - even if it proxies to something else. Otherwise things may break | 20:12 |
| skraynev_ | shardy: so we have enough time for doing it. just need to keep it in mind, as you said | 20:12 |
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| shardy | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-February/085998.html | 20:12 |
| shardy | that's the thread btw | 20:12 |
| skraynev_ | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-February/085998.html | 20:13 |
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| shardy | stevebaker: Yeah, I think we need the keystone team to clarify the migration plan | 20:13 |
| shardy | also that v2.0 compatibility of tokens thing mentioned worries me | 20:13 |
| shardy | as it implies trust scoped tokens won't work with v2.0 auth anymore | 20:13 |
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| shardy | which would be a problem for many deployments unless it's papered over by authtoken middlware | 20:13 |
| shardy | hopefully folks will reply to the thread soon and we can discuss further there | 20:14 |
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| stevebaker | yeah | 20:14 |
| shardy | stevebaker: one advantage is we actually maintain our own ec2token middleware | 20:14 |
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| shardy | so if we have to, we can work around some sorts of breakages or moves in there | 20:15 |
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| stevebaker | shardy: I suggested as much some time ago - if keystone are deprecating it then maybe we should just bring that logic into the heat tree | 20:16 |
| shardy | stevebaker: Yeah, although other AWS compatibility APIs need it, so a common repo somewhere makes sense long term | 20:16 |
| skraynev_ | stevebaker: I am not a big fan of maintaining some deprecated somewhere code | 20:17 |
| skraynev_ | stevebaker: but if we have not alternative I tend to agree with this suggestion | 20:17 |
| stevebaker | sure, but consumable as a lib (and rest api for those that really need it) | 20:17 |
| stevebaker | like tripleo-common | 20:18 |
| shardy | I think enough things depend on it that there will have to be a common repo somewhere | 20:18 |
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| skraynev_ | stevebaker: yeah. I understand. | 20:18 |
| shardy | it's not that much logic, only the signature calculation code really | 20:18 |
| shardy | the credentials API in keystone isn't going anwywhere AIUI, which is what backs the ec2tokens extension in v3 | 20:19 |
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| shardy | anyway, lets move on, we can continue this on the ML | 20:20 |
| skraynev_ | shardy: ok. thank you for the clarification. now I know what happens with this stuff | 20:20 |
| skraynev_ | #topic OSC commands | 20:21 |
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| skraynev_ | stevebaker: do we have any progress with it? | 20:21 |
| prazumovsky_ | I have one little question about osc patches | 20:21 |
| skraynev_ | I plan to enjoy review of some patches tomorrow | 20:21 |
| stevebaker | progress is good but we *really* need reviews for things to land https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/heat-support-python-openstackclient+status:open | 20:21 |
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| skraynev_ | prazumovsky_ : what is the question? | 20:22 |
| stevebaker | client lib freeze is in 2.5 weeks so we have a shot at having 1.0.0 ready for that | 20:22 |
| skraynev_ | stevebaker: aha. so it's the same dates as for m-3, right? | 20:23 |
| prazumovsky_ | Why one of them have methods on module level (like in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/254330/25/heatclient/osc/v1/resource_type.py) and another are inner class methods (like in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/267731/7/heatclient/osc/v1/snapshot.py)? | 20:23 |
| shardy | stevebaker: is it worth having an etherpad with the full list of patches? | 20:23 |
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| stevebaker | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-February/085705.html | 20:23 |
| markvan | suggestion, maybe we go top to bottom of etherpad cmd list to prevent unneeded rebasing churn unless your patch in next. Most are ready, if one is not note that in the review and move on | 20:23 |
| stevebaker | shardy: there is one, hang on | 20:23 |
| jonesbr | shardy: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-support-python-openstackclient | 20:23 |
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| shardy | jonesbr: thanks! | 20:23 |
| prazumovsky_ | I mean, why some of them are out of the classes | 20:24 |
| stevebaker | markvan, jonesbr: hi! | 20:24 |
| prazumovsky_ | it's confusing me | 20:24 |
| stevebaker | prazumovsky_: developer preference | 20:24 |
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| stevebaker | they are private functions, someone can always refactor to a consistent style later | 20:25 |
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| prazumovsky_ | hm... how about incapsulation? | 20:25 |
| prazumovsky_ | stevebaker: thanks | 20:26 |
| markvan | yeah, I was trying to follow the current style, but could be changed later | 20:26 |
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| stevebaker | markvan, jonesbr: I might reorder that etherpad so reviewers can focus on the top items | 20:26 |
| prazumovsky_ | IMO, if method using only in one class, it should be in it | 20:26 |
| prazumovsky_ | (oh it's boring formatting...:-) ) | 20:26 |
| skraynev_ | prazumovsky_: looks like we can fix/refactor it later | 20:26 |
| jonesbr | stevebaker: That would help us rebase the patches in order as well | 20:27 |
| stevebaker | true | 20:27 |
| skraynev_ | prazumovsky_: you may file a bug as a reminder for these changes | 20:27 |
| prazumovsky_ | ok, thanks | 20:27 |
| markvan | prazumovsky_: yup I would not disagree with your point | 20:27 |
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| stevebaker | markvan, jonesbr: do you know if Amey is still contributing? | 20:28 |
| jonesbr | stevebaker: we contacted him and he gave us control of his patches | 20:28 |
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| ryansb | prazumovsky_: I don't see why it has to be in the class - if the usage/ownership is clear in file structure that's ok too | 20:28 |
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| stevebaker | jonesbr: ok, it doesn't look like there are any orphaned changes at the moment, so good. | 20:29 |
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| stevebaker | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-support-python-openstackclient | 20:30 |
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| neelashah1 | stevebaker there is one that has seen no activity in almost a month, I just sent an email to them today to check if they plan to continue on itā¦otherwise jonesbr or markvan can pick that up - zengyingzhe@huawei.com ā¦for this patch - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/268554/ | 20:30 |
| stevebaker | neelashah1: yeah, feel free to just take that over if there is no response | 20:31 |
| skraynev_ | go to the next one. | 20:32 |
| neelashah1 | ok, thanks stevebaker | 20:32 |
| skraynev_ | #topic evaluating convergence as the default | 20:32 |
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| stevemar | stevebaker and shardy sorry this is off topic, but the plans to move the ec2 bits around (or out) in keystone is on hold until the summit | 20:32 |
| stevemar | things are staying as-is for M, we're too late to start shaking things up | 20:33 |
| skraynev_ | hm. I don't see any one from HP guys, who have patches on review for convergence | 20:33 |
| stevebaker | stevemar: oh cool, thanks for the update | 20:33 |
| shardy | stevemar: thanks for the clarification, will be good to join your session & discuss the migration plan at summit then :) | 20:33 |
| stevebaker | stevemar: consider our request that nothing break duely lodged ;) | 20:33 |
| skraynev_ | stevemar: great. could you please post link on session if you decide to schedule it on summit ? | 20:33 |
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| stevemar | skraynev_: will do. stevebaker request has been noted :) | 20:34 |
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| skraynev_ | stevemar: thank you | 20:34 |
| randallburt | regarding convergence as the default, I am ā2 on that at this point. | 20:34 |
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| skraynev_ | randallburt: could you add more details : why? | 20:35 |
| randallburt | trying to rebase and fix https://review.openstack.org/#/c/190183/17 and I'm running into one of the scenarios that looks broken from convergence standpoint | 20:35 |
| shardy | I'm also worried about it - I've tried testing a couple of times and ran into DB scalability/connection issues both times | 20:35 |
| randallburt | also, scenario coverage is still a bit incomplete. | 20:35 |
| stevebaker | I periodically switch to convergence and try deploying tripleo - my issues at the moment are around stack deleting | 20:35 |
| randallburt | sabeen has run into a breaking case for cancel update as well and there's no unit test coverage for that as well | 20:36 |
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| randallburt | sabeen was seeing similar stevebaker | 20:36 |
| stevebaker | https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1523748 | 20:36 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1523748 in heat "Convergence: Nothing returned from resource-list after stack-delete is called" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Sirushti Murugesan (sirushtim) | 20:36 |
| skraynev_ | stevebaker: shardy: we have one important fix here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/248676/ | 20:36 |
| stevebaker | https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1542123 | 20:36 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1542123 in heat "Convergence: stack-delete stalls on stacks stuck with IN_PROGRESS resources" [Undecided,New] | 20:36 |
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| shardy | stevebaker: interesting, I tried that a couple of months ago and ran into DB issues, similar to what I found when doing stress tests previously | 20:36 |
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| randallburt | this fix is also important: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277762/2 | 20:37 |
| shardy | I would suggest we defer switching anything until N, but document it in the release notes as ready for more serious testing | 20:37 |
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| shardy | then in N, we can consider switching some non-heat CI jobs to enable it, e.g one of the TripleO jobs | 20:38 |
| randallburt | shardy: +1 | 20:38 |
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| stevebaker | and commit to backporting fixes to Mitaka until it turns out that backports are too big | 20:39 |
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| randallburt | stevebaker: do we strictly *have* to do that? | 20:39 |
| randallburt | stevebaker: for convergence that is | 20:39 |
| shardy | stevebaker: +1 backporting bugfixes where reasonable sounds OK to me | 20:39 |
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| randallburt | oh, ok, as long as there's a "this is too disruptive, no backport" option | 20:40 |
| stevebaker | randallburt: there may be users who want to switch, like tripleo | 20:40 |
| skraynev_ | shardy: Then it make sense do during month after m-3 | 20:40 |
| stevebaker | randallburt: yeah, thats what I meant by "too big" | 20:40 |
| randallburt | stevebaker: IMO they should wait for N to do that though | 20:40 |
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| skraynev_ | otherwise it may be more difficult for backporting, I suppose | 20:40 |
| randallburt | stevebaker: its def not in a state for production use in M. | 20:40 |
| stevebaker | randallburt: sure | 20:40 |
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| shardy | I think it's about the message - saying we commit to reasonable bugfix backports shows we want non-developer consumers of heat to actually use it and report back | 20:41 |
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| skraynev_ | stevebaker: shardy: I will send mail about our plan to openstack-dev . That convergence is officially ready for testing and it's still alternative feature, which can contain some sporadic errors. | 20:42 |
| randallburt | sure, I'm ok with it for certain values of "reasonable" :) | 20:42 |
| ryansb | also higher risk backports might be acceptable since it's a nondefault | 20:42 |
| ryansb | (note: that isn't a license to ignore "reasonable") | 20:43 |
| skraynev_ | also what do you think about doing convergence default in N master after rc-1 ? | 20:43 |
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| shardy | skraynev_: I think it is too soon | 20:43 |
| shardy | we have to get feedback from real consumers of heat for a while, e.g a TripleO CI job running for a month or so | 20:44 |
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| randallburt | shardy: however, it *would* provide some incentive for those (like myself) that are coming in late to help | 20:44 |
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| skraynev_ | shardy: ok. can we then enable it for our tripleo job on gate | 20:45 |
| skraynev_ | and after 1 month from this event do it default ? | 20:45 |
| shardy | randallburt: I guess, but I see it as poor form to force an unstable feature on all users by default because we've not found all the bugs yet ;) | 20:45 |
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| shardy | skraynev_: Yeah, perhaps we can get the tripleo job running against heat again by default | 20:45 |
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| skraynev_ | my main idea is to have defined time line for convergence | 20:46 |
| shardy | and make that enable convergence on the undercloud | 20:46 |
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| skraynev_ | sounds like a plan. | 20:47 |
| randallburt | sure | 20:47 |
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| shardy | Related to convergence, there is a propoal to add Tacker (NFV orchestration service) to the big tent: | 20:48 |
| shardy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/276417/ | 20:48 |
| skraynev_ | #action skraynev will send mail about convergence related plans | 20:48 |
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| shardy | there is a comment from russellb that some aspects of their proposed functionality may overlap with our long term roadmap for convergence | 20:48 |
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| shardy | it'd be good to get some feedback there from folks close to the convergence work | 20:49 |
| randallburt | ouch. that commit message tho | 20:49 |
| shardy | e.g to add a summary of the current state, and the immediate roadmap | 20:49 |
| russellb | randallburt: the tacker one? yeah. it's acronym heavy. read my version in a comment that tries to explain it with less telco buzz. | 20:49 |
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| shardy | randallburt: heh, yeah it's pretty acronym heavy ;) | 20:49 |
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| randallburt | reading now russellb. thanks! | 20:50 |
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| russellb | it's a bit of an essay .. | 20:50 |
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| skraynev_ | russellb: 100 % like an essay :) | 20:51 |
| stevebaker | tacker uses heat, but ancient tacker didn't use heat to provision nova - I haven't got a clear answer if that has changed | 20:51 |
| skraynev_ | but looks interesting | 20:51 |
| russellb | stevebaker: it has a "nova" driver and a "heat" driver | 20:51 |
| stevebaker | hmm, ok | 20:52 |
| russellb | for its "infrastructure driver" option ... | 20:52 |
| russellb | i asked if that was just for historical reasons, or if there was some reason the nova driver was still there | 20:52 |
| skraynev_ | #topic Open discussion | 20:52 |
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| shardy | I guess the question is do we need to be actively collaborating on "monitoring, healing and scaling" aspects | 20:52 |
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| shardy | it'd certainly be good to get visibility of their requirements in that area | 20:53 |
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| russellb | they monitor VMs with ping or simple HTTP requests, and if it stops responding, it will execute some policy. policy is pretty simple too: respawn, log_and_kill, log | 20:54 |
| zaneb | oh hey it's meeting day | 20:54 |
| ryansb | zaneb: yup.. | 20:54 |
| russellb | some more info on http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/tacker/tree/doc/source/devref/monitor-api.rst | 20:54 |
| skraynev_ | zaneb: hey. we are really close to the end | 20:54 |
| russellb | looks like they want to do auto-scaling too ... | 20:55 |
| stevebaker | they should really be talking to the Senlin folk then | 20:55 |
| russellb | just occurred to me as something that really shouldn't be tacker-specific | 20:55 |
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| stevebaker | because that would be a significant overlap | 20:55 |
| russellb | ok, if there's another project that should be looked at, a comment on the review would be great | 20:55 |
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| ryansb | I guess everyone wants in on that sweet, sweet autoscale action. If only there were a project trying to do autoscaling...really well... | 20:55 |
| randallburt | yeah, it sounds like this could/should leverage several other openstack apis | 20:56 |
| shardy | russellb: thanks for highlighting it, there are certainly several potential areas for integration by the look of it | 20:56 |
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| russellb | *nods* that's what we're trying to figure out for their application | 20:57 |
| russellb | basically, are they sufficiently taking advantage of existing stuff vs. reinventing stuff | 20:57 |
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| skraynev_ | time is out | 20:59 |
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| skraynev_ | thank you all. | 20:59 |
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| skraynev_ | all questions and discussion -> #heat | 20:59 |
| skraynev_ | #endmeeting | 20:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 10 20:59:48 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2016/heat.2016-02-10-20.00.html | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2016/heat.2016-02-10-20.00.txt | 20:59 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2016/heat.2016-02-10-20.00.log.html | 20:59 |
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| notmyname | thanks, heat, for continuing to be awesome with the meeting times :-) | 21:00 |
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| notmyname | swift meeting time | 21:00 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Feb 10 21:00:25 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
| notmyname | who's here for the swift meeting? | 21:00 |
| minwoob | o/ | 21:00 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:00 |
| blmartin | o/ | 21:00 |
| kota_ | o/ | 21:00 |
| cschwede | o/ | 21:00 |
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| torgomatic | . | 21:00 |
| sgundur | o/ | 21:00 |
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| jrichli | here | 21:00 |
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| * onovy | 21:01 | |
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| gmmaha | o/ | 21:01 |
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| siva_krishnan | o/ | 21:01 |
| sarafraj | o/ | 21:01 |
| bjkeller | o/ | 21:01 |
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| pdardeau | o/ | 21:01 |
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| joeljwright | hey | 21:01 |
| cutforth | o/ | 21:01 |
| acoles | hi | 21:01 |
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| notmyname | welcome, everyone | 21:02 |
| notmyname | clayg: ping | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | agenda ^ | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | a few things to go over this week | 21:02 |
| notmyname | a couple of general things first | 21:03 |
| notmyname | #topic general things | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | summit talk voting is open. so do that | 21:03 |
| notmyname | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/vote-for-speakers/ | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | also, there's been some questions about releases for swiftclient and swift-bench | 21:03 |
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| notmyname | I'll work on getting those done before the hackathon (within the next 2 weeks) | 21:04 |
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| notmyname | and lastly, I've finished my summary of responses to the "what's going on in swift" questions I asked a few weeks ago | 21:04 |
| notmyname | I sent it out to a few people, and assuming nobody comes back real soon with a "this is totally terrible", I'll publish that for the world to see | 21:05 |
| notmyname | hopefully later today or tomorrow | 21:05 |
| notmyname | #topic hackathon | 21:06 |
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| notmyname | the hackathon is coming up! have you got your plane tickets and passport yet? | 21:06 |
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| notmyname | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift-hackathon-feb-2016 | 21:06 |
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| notmyname | there is an etherpad to collect ideas to talk about in bristol | 21:06 |
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| notmyname | thank you for adding stuff :-) | 21:07 |
| notmyname | any questions about the hackathon? | 21:07 |
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| clayg | ohai | 21:07 |
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| clayg | gah I don't *want* to vote on summit topics - I did *every* session last time and it took ---- FOREVAR | 21:08 |
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| notmyname | the votes are advisory to the track chairs | 21:09 |
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| clayg | lol - ORLY!? | 21:09 |
| notmyname | so you can either say that it doesn't count or it's the way to make your voice heard. just depends on your perspective :-) | 21:09 |
| mattoliverau | lol, and clayg if you don't do it, who will! | 21:09 |
| clayg | oh gosh i need to read the hackathon | 21:09 |
| joeljwright | clayg: I already volunteered you for a sessionā¦ | 21:10 |
| notmyname | heh | 21:10 |
| clayg | FWIW my only plan is to take the much needed time away from work for upstream focus to merge fast-POST (bonus points if I get to reconstructor or concurrent gets changes) | 21:10 |
| joeljwright | clayg: but only at the hackathon | 21:10 |
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| notmyname | sounds like a nice segue to talk about patches | 21:11 |
| notmyname | #topic patches -- auditor bug | 21:11 |
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| notmyname | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1183656 | 21:12 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1183656 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "object auditors don't finish" [High,Confirmed] | 21:12 |
| notmyname | what's going on here? | 21:12 |
| mattoliverau | clayg: I better get concurrent gets going again then.. especially before my life turns up side down :) | 21:12 |
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| notmyname | onovy: I belive you were looking into this bug? | 21:13 |
| onovy | no? :) | 21:13 |
| clayg | joeljwright: wat? now I *really* better go read that eatherpad (thanks jrichli!) | 21:13 |
| clayg | onovy: honesty is the best policy - notmyname can take it | 21:13 |
| jrichli | clayg :p | 21:13 |
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| notmyname | hmm..ok then | 21:13 |
| notmyname | I thought it was either onovy or peterlisak | 21:14 |
| notmyname | but it seems I misremembered | 21:14 |
| onovy | i think it's related to ionice | 21:14 |
| onovy | "related" :) | 21:14 |
| notmyname | but the point still stands that it's a bug that needs to be squashed | 21:14 |
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| notmyname | ok, so that leaves us with... | 21:14 |
| notmyname | who can volunteer to work on a patch for this bug this week? | 21:15 |
| notmyname | cschwede: interested? | 21:15 |
| notmyname | :-) | 21:15 |
| clayg | notmyname: wow you like went right out there for it - baller | 21:15 |
| cschwede | notmyname: yup, just wanted to raise my hand | 21:15 |
| notmyname | cschwede: awesome, thanks! | 21:15 |
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| clayg | cschwede: !!!! how you been doing man! I think my schedule's been getting later - am I going to see you in bristol!? | 21:15 |
| cschwede | clayg: :) of course, canāt wait to meeting all of you in Bristol! | 21:16 |
| notmyname | yay | 21:16 |
| notmyname | #topic patches -- in process functests with fast-POST | 21:16 |
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| notmyname | acoles: this is your topic | 21:16 |
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| notmyname | patch 274086 | 21:17 |
| patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/274086/ - swift - Enable in-process func tests to optionally use fas... | 21:17 |
| acoles | we discussed this last week - still need another +2 on that ^^ | 21:17 |
| notmyname | and patch 276823 | 21:17 |
| patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/276823/ - openstack-infra/project-config - Add job gate-swift-tox-func-in-process-fast-post | 21:17 |
| acoles | annd here's the gate change ^^ | 21:17 |
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| acoles | notmyname: thanks for feeding the links :) | 21:17 |
| acoles | I have been ultra-cautios with the gate change and made the tox-func-... job non-voting | 21:18 |
| mattoliverau | I was going to look at the first one, sorry acoles. Conference had too many good talks.. will look at it today | 21:18 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: last week you said you'd look at it | 21:18 |
| acoles | mattoliverau: thanks man! | 21:18 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: ah. thanks :-) | 21:18 |
| notmyname | #topic patches -- rbac | 21:18 |
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| notmyname | patch 202411 | 21:18 |
| patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/202411/ - swift - Add functional test for access control (RBAC) with... | 21:18 |
| acoles | so nothing *should* fail but we'll let the gate runa few times then go back to voting, and imho we lose no coverage cos the regular func tests are still there | 21:18 |
| notmyname | here's a quote from last week's meeting | 21:19 |
| notmyname | "21:41:03 <notmyname> ok, so between torgomatic cschwede clayg and kota_, it *should* be either landed or have other patch sets by next week" | 21:19 |
| clayg | hrrmm.. patch 274086 has two reviewers - I can think of *one* soltuion | 21:19 |
| patchbot | clayg: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/274086/ - swift - Enable in-process func tests to optionally use fas... | 21:19 |
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| notmyname | so torgomatic cschwede clayg kota_, what's the status of the rbac patch? doesn't look like any activity in gerrit since last week | 21:19 |
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| torgomatic | welp, there's your status :| | 21:19 |
| notmyname | well, maybe you've got something local :-) | 21:20 |
| * notmyname hopes | 21:20 | |
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| torgomatic | I can come shrug at your desk if it helps | 21:20 |
| kota_ | sorry, I couldn't have a time to look at | 21:20 |
| kota_ | will see | 21:21 |
| cschwede | notmyname: i had a look, but unfortunately didnāt make much progress :/ the list of expected test result is quite long, doesnāt make it easier to read | 21:21 |
| clayg | notmyname: I'm *pretty* sure I have keystone working - but I honestly wasn't intending to look at the rbac tests again - I really am pretty sure if I do I'll want to push up another revision to address some of the stuff acoles already pointed out but couldn't bring himself to demand | 21:21 |
| notmyname | cschwede: thanks | 21:21 |
| acoles | fwiw ho_away 's patch adds a load of time to a test run, BUT less time than patch 277465 removed | 21:22 |
| patchbot | acoles: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277465/ - swift - Speed up functional testing (MERGED) | 21:22 |
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| notmyname | yeah, we talked about that in tokyo. it's a complicated set of test conditions. IIRC clayg was suggesting spot-checking and pattern matching to review | 21:22 |
| clayg | acoles: two steps forward but only one step back sounds like progress! | 21:22 |
| notmyname | progress! | 21:22 |
| notmyname | cschwede: can I ping you about it at next weeks meeting? | 21:22 |
| notmyname | (this rbac patch) | 21:23 |
| clayg | acoles: also I'm not sure how much I care about func test run time? It's been a long time since I was able to "wait" for a swift test run | 21:23 |
| cschwede | i donāt feel comfortable about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/202411/20/test/functional/test_access_control.py - the list of expected returns | 21:23 |
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| cschwede | notmyname: sure, iāll have another look at it. worst case is that i add only some comments | 21:23 |
| notmyname | or that could be best case :-) | 21:23 |
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| acoles | clayg: yeah, its beyond 'watch and wait' but not long enough to do much else useful | 21:24 |
| notmyname | go grab a pint at the windchester and wait for the whole test suite to finish running | 21:25 |
| cschwede | i might bother acoles about the patch then ;) | 21:25 |
| clayg | cschwede: wait which line? You just don't like the whole idea of a data driven test matrix - and would prefer explicit behavior based tests with names - or you're ok with exahaustive matrix testing but want the format somewhat different? | 21:25 |
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| cschwede | clayg: the last; data driven is fine, but the format in this patch feels not familar (yet) | 21:26 |
| acoles | we did discuss reformatting to something more readable, in Tokyo, IIRC | 21:27 |
| notmyname | is ho_away here? | 21:27 |
| clayg | poor ho_away | 21:27 |
| ho_away | yep | 21:27 |
| acoles | someone asserted that would be easy in emacs ;) | 21:27 |
| notmyname | lol | 21:27 |
| mattoliverau | yeah, using dictionaries so the fields are readable would be nice | 21:27 |
| clayg | I think maybe he's not clear on exactly what formatting would be most appreciated (I'm not even sure we *know* what format would be ideal) | 21:28 |
| cschwede | he, true! | 21:28 |
| clayg | mattoliverau: acoles: +1 I think that was what folks said | 21:28 |
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| ho_away | clayg: yeah, exactly :-) | 21:29 |
| notmyname | I'll bet ho_away would be interested in seeing your format bikeshed^W great ideas as a follow on ;-) | 21:29 |
| notmyname | (was that too snarky?) | 21:29 |
| notmyname | (it had a winky face. that makes it ok, right?) | 21:29 |
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| clayg | notmyname: that is an EXCELLENT point | 21:30 |
| mattoliverau | winky face makes everything ok | 21:30 |
| clayg | notmyname: winky face makes everything ok | 21:30 |
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| clayg | mattoliverau: JINX! | 21:30 |
| acoles | so TBH I did not press ho_away too hard on the format because without other reviewers its maybe wasted effort, but it would be nice | 21:30 |
| * mattoliverau thinks damn, cause he can't talk | 21:30 | |
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| clayg | mattoliverau: you get so many cool points if you can continue the rest of the meeting by "mimeing" your input | 21:31 |
| notmyname | I sympathize with what cschwede said. the format of the tests isn't familiar yet. not that it's inherently bad | 21:31 |
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| clayg | #X$%^U it - let's merge it and file a bug to clean it up with an example of what we like? | 21:31 |
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| clayg | tag it low-hanging-fruit for the faries | 21:32 |
| clayg | they LOVE that mechanical len/pep8/assertEqual crap anyway | 21:32 |
| cschwede | clayg: yep, that was my idea as well, since there is already one +2 from acoles | 21:32 |
| clayg | cschwede: do eeeet! notmyname is right! | 21:32 |
| clayg | cschwede: well... think hard about what format might be better and open the bug too - then DOOOO EEEET | 21:32 |
| notmyname | :-) | 21:32 |
| notmyname | cool. there's a plan and expected resolution Real Soon Now | 21:33 |
| notmyname | #topic patches -- pyeclib version migration | 21:33 |
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| acoles | emacs will save us | 21:33 |
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| notmyname | acoles: thanks for adding this one | 21:33 |
| ho_away | all: sorry & thanks for your help | 21:33 |
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| notmyname | ho_away: thanks for sticking with it for so long! | 21:34 |
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| notmyname | so the original pyeclib plan was this | 21:34 |
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| notmyname | update to 1.0.7 because of migration reasons (mostly with -infra reasons), then jump to 1.1.1 | 21:35 |
| notmyname | we did the first part | 21:35 |
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| notmyname | and now we're at 1.0.8 and there's an upstream 1.2.0 | 21:35 |
| * onovy have simple question: if pyeclib is only for swift, what is reason for using older version than newest? | 21:35 | |
| notmyname | the final step in all of that was to then move the repos into the openstack namespace | 21:35 |
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| notmyname | onovy: IMO, we should go all the way (but the bump to 1.0.8 doesn't hurt anything) | 21:36 |
| onovy | yep. i don't have problem to package 1.2.0 in debian (already done it, not uploaded yet) | 21:36 |
| onovy | and it was simple, so others distro will not have any problems too | 21:37 |
| onovy | (imho) | 21:37 |
| clayg | onovy: i've been fighting liberasure packaging most of the day yesterday? | 21:37 |
| clayg | and I think I only got 1.1.0 | 21:37 |
| notmyname | onovy: ah! you're the one who did the bump to 1.0.8 :-) | 21:37 |
| onovy | notmyname: yes :) | 21:37 |
| clayg | oh that's liberasure tho - I don't know yet what pyeclib i'm going to package today | 21:37 |
| onovy | clayg: clayg liberasure 1.1.0 is newest | 21:37 |
| clayg | *phew* | 21:37 |
| notmyname | clayg: you aren't packaging the latest from VCS? wow. | 21:38 |
| clayg | onovy: I thought zigo did all the debian openstack packaging - does he have HELP!? | 21:38 |
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| notmyname | ;-) <--- winky face makes it all ok | 21:38 |
| clayg | notmyname: no no i was - i think - onovy says i'm golden | 21:38 |
| onovy | clayg: yep, i'm doing swift packages | 21:38 |
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| notmyname | clayg: zigo isn't doing it anymore. right onovy? | 21:38 |
| adis | da li ima neko ovdje iz Bosne za razgovor | 21:38 |
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| adis | bilo ko .neka se javi | 21:38 |
| adis | ?? | 21:38 |
| clayg | ??? | 21:38 |
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| onovy | notmyname: zigo is working on it too | 21:39 |
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| onovy | adis: a ga la mo ne to vyra? | 21:39 |
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| notmyname | onovy: ah ok | 21:39 |
| onovy | notmyname: os packages are team maintained in debian | 21:40 |
| notmyname | got it | 21:40 |
| clayg | adis: govoriti o openstack hitri ? | 21:40 |
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| notmyname | so let's continue the pyeclib upgrade with 1.2.0. sound reasonable to everyone? | 21:41 |
| clayg | notmyname: so... version "migration" - what was the question/notice exactly? | 21:41 |
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| clayg | notmyname: it has a bigger number - why do we even need to discuss it ;) | 21:41 |
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| notmyname | yeah, that's exactly what I was about to ask | 21:41 |
| onovy | +1 for 1.2.0 version. don't see any cons here | 21:41 |
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| clayg | lol | 21:41 |
| notmyname | acoles: did you have something else specific on this? or just the "what's going on?" | 21:41 |
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| onovy | and what about migration to os-infra? | 21:42 |
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| notmyname | onovy: I don't have anything there except "yup. that's the plan" | 21:43 |
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| onovy | ok, let's do it | 21:43 |
| acoles | well mainly what's going on and when do we move up again? does 1.0.8 have everything required to use the liberasurecode-rs-vand? | 21:43 |
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| clayg | "to" os-infra - or for the package/source/bitbucket | 21:43 |
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| clayg | acoles: in my experience 1.0.8 was sufficient | 21:43 |
| notmyname | clayg: in the openstack/* namespace (instead of bitbucket) | 21:43 |
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| notmyname | no I don't think 1.0.8 is sufficient | 21:44 |
| acoles | clayg: k. thanks | 21:44 |
| acoles | oh | 21:44 |
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| notmyname | it still has the liberasurecode bundling | 21:44 |
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| notmyname | that's why I think we need 1.2.0 (from what I see of the pyeclib changelong) | 21:44 |
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| clayg | notmyname: it has what now? i think 1.0.8 requires liberasure-dev to install | 21:44 |
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| clayg | what? rly? | 21:44 |
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| onovy | exactly in debian pyeclib don't have liberasure bundling, becuase it can be disabled on "configure" | 21:44 |
| clayg | where is tsg he's the only one that knows how this works | 21:45 |
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| onovy | so pyeclib package need liberasure package, it doesn't work without it | 21:45 |
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| onovy | clayg: i know it too :) | 21:45 |
| clayg | onovy: the way that god intended packages to work | 21:45 |
| notmyname | which is why the move to openstack/* is the goal. so not only tsg knows of it and can patch it :-) | 21:45 |
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| onovy | pyeclib <1.2.0 have option "disable erasure bundling" | 21:45 |
| onovy | *liberasure bundling | 21:46 |
| onovy | 1.2.0 don't have liberasure at all | 21:46 |
| notmyname | ah ok. option to disable it. and 1.2.0 fully removes it | 21:46 |
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| clayg | onovy: wtf is liberasure "bundling" why is that that i don't even? | 21:46 |
| notmyname | onovy: thanks | 21:46 |
| onovy | clayg: it uses liberasure lib from pyeclib repo | 21:46 |
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| notmyname | clayg: that was what we didn't like about the earlier versions (we == anyone doing packaging). the pyeclib setup.py was downloading/installing the c lib | 21:47 |
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| onovy | clayg: https://bitbucket.org/kmgreen2/pyeclib/src/b9140f9273655691812d8cc9c4e56da8a59ffd06/src/c?at=v1.1.1 | 21:47 |
| clayg | notmyname: not anywhere anyone was packinging it wasn't - everyone worked around it | 21:47 |
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| acoles | ok, i admit i am confused and stupid, but without liberasurecode how does liberasurecode-vs-rand work? or is the key word here "bundling"? what am i missing? | 21:47 |
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| onovy | acoles: pyeclib have dependency | 21:48 |
| onovy | it needs liberasure | 21:48 |
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| onovy | but older version had this version "distributed together" | 21:48 |
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| onovy | *this deps | 21:48 |
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| kota_ | liberasurecode-rs-rand bundled in liberasurecode | 21:48 |
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| onovy | kota_: liberasure-rs-rand is just one EC inside liberasurecode lib | 21:49 |
| notmyname | http://d.not.mn/lca2016_ec_in_swift.pdf <-- 5th slide from the bottom ;-) | 21:49 |
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| kota_ | and it expected to be installed via os packaging | 21:49 |
| kota_ | os packaging repo | 21:49 |
| acoles | oh, so what notmyname said "the pyeclib setup.py was downloading/installing the c lib" <- 1.2.0 stops doing this? | 21:49 |
| kota_ | or by hand, in 1.2.0 | 21:49 |
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| onovy | acoles: yep | 21:49 |
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| onovy | acoles: https://bitbucket.org/kmgreen2/pyeclib/src/19c99357839b0b95053632f303c1c4fab5408450/ChangeLog?fileviewer=file-view-default#ChangeLog-4 | 21:49 |
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| notmyname | acoles: correct. and 1.0.7(?)->1.1.1 had an option to disable it | 21:49 |
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| kota_ | older pyeclib repo has tar ball in inside. | 21:50 |
| kota_ | liberasurecode tar ball | 21:50 |
| onovy | yes, here: https://bitbucket.org/kmgreen2/pyeclib/src/b9140f9273655691812d8cc9c4e56da8a59ffd06/src/c/ | 21:50 |
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| acoles | ok thanks everyone. so 1.0.8 brings us liberasurecode_rs_vand, 1.2.0 decouples the install | 21:51 |
| notmyname | ya | 21:51 |
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| onovy | this option: --install-liberasurecode=no | 21:51 |
| notmyname | summary is pyeclib 1.2.0 is better than the earlier versions and that's what we should use in swift | 21:51 |
| onovy | notmyname: +1 :) | 21:51 |
| notmyname | everyone agree? any more questions on that? | 21:51 |
| mattoliverau | +1 | 21:51 |
| clayg | onovy: where is that option? | 21:52 |
| acoles | so...why did we not jump to 1.2.0, why step to 1.0.8? | 21:52 |
| onovy | clayg: setup.py install --install-layout=deb --install-liberasurecode=no | 21:52 |
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| clayg | WHAT? | 21:52 |
| kota_ | +1 | 21:52 |
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| onovy | acoles: because i wanted to drop jerasure defaults | 21:52 |
| notmyname | acoles: ah, because it was code that was written to solve a different problem. and code written to solv that other thing makes the project better. | 21:52 |
| onovy | acoles: a i done "smallest" step to achieve this | 21:52 |
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| onovy | so, should i make review to bump to 1.2.0? or anyone else wants? | 21:53 |
| notmyname | acoles: basically it comes down to the fact that onovy got the 1.0.8 change into global-requirements. | 21:53 |
| notmyname | onovy: go for it | 21:53 |
| onovy | ok, i will do it | 21:53 |
| acoles | notmyname: ok, i get it :) | 21:53 |
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| notmyname | acoles: I've been trying to apply a "working code that is good enough but maybe not the perfect end solution is better than no code" :-) | 21:54 |
| notmyname | #topic open discussion | 21:54 |
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| acoles | heh, another merge master to feature/crypto on its way then :P | 21:54 |
| notmyname | anything else to discuss in the meeting this week? | 21:54 |
| onovy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/240036/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/250022/ | 21:54 |
| notmyname | acoles: that should be a regular thing anyway, right? | 21:54 |
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| onovy | unit coverage boost ^^!! :) | 21:54 |
| notmyname | moar tests! | 21:54 |
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| onovy | waiting ~3 weeks, anyone? | 21:55 |
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| * notmyname should make patchbot detect full gerrint urls too | 21:55 | |
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| acoles | notmyname: right | 21:55 |
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| acoles | timburke: whats important to land in swiftclient before next release? | 21:56 |
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| mattoliverau | onovy: I'll add them to my list this week | 21:56 |
| timburke | patch 265417 is some nice cleanup on the retry-partial-downloads work | 21:56 |
| patchbot | timburke: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/265417/ - python-swiftclient - _RetryBody doesn't need to take explicit etag/cont... | 21:56 |
| onovy | mattoliverau: thanks | 21:56 |
| acoles | timburke: joeljwright other than "everything" :) | 21:56 |
| timburke | along the same lines, patch 269252 | 21:56 |
| patchbot | timburke: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269252/ - python-swiftclient - Check responses when retrying bodies | 21:56 |
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| clayg | onovy: good to ping on those patches - you don't have to wait for a meeting | 21:56 |
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| timburke | really want patch 252328 | 21:56 |
| patchbot | timburke: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252328/ - python-swiftclient - Fix debug and info option parsing | 21:56 |
| acoles | ^^ oh yeah, must do that | 21:57 |
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| joeljwright | I've been reading through the outstanding patches today | 21:57 |
| onovy | clayg: ok | 21:57 |
| timburke | patch 269359 is just stupid | 21:57 |
| patchbot | timburke: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269359/ - python-swiftclient - Display proper name when failing to create segment... | 21:57 |
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| timburke | and can't forget acoles's patch 275719 | 21:57 |
| patchbot | timburke: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/275719/ - python-swiftclient - Support --os-identity-api-version option | 21:57 |
| notmyname | timburke: so, "all of them"? ;-) | 21:57 |
| timburke | all low risk, but nothing critical | 21:58 |
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| onovy | and for me this: patch 276280 is must have! :) | 21:58 |
| patchbot | onovy: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/276280/ - swift - Script for checking sanity of manpages | 21:58 |
| joeljwright | timburke: agreed | 21:58 |
| joeljwright | the only other thing is solving the logging bug before another release | 21:58 |
| acoles | timburke: --debug position was annoying me again today, will try to review asap | 21:58 |
| joeljwright | or asap | 21:58 |
| joeljwright | ... | 21:58 |
| timburke | notmyname: hey, as long as i curate a little, you won't be *too* overwhelmed :-) | 21:59 |
| timburke | joeljwright: true, good point | 21:59 |
| joeljwright | I think I saw a candidate | 21:59 |
| notmyname | for p in patches_by_author['timburke']: star(p) | 21:59 |
| joeljwright | but it's a little confusing as there are 2 bug reports that are very similar | 21:59 |
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| notmyname | we're out of time for this meeting slot | 21:59 |
| joeljwright | until next timeā¦ | 22:00 |
| notmyname | thank you everyone for coming today. it's great to work with you on swift (and swiftclient!) | 22:00 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 22:00 |
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| timburke | patch 259273 or patch 194884 | 22:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Feb 10 22:00:22 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:00 |
| patchbot | timburke: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/259273/ - python-swiftclient - ecnode auth token in swiftclient log message | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2016/swift.2016-02-10-21.00.html | 22:00 |
| patchbot | timburke: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/194884/ - python-swiftclient - don't log sensitive request and response header va... | 22:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2016/swift.2016-02-10-21.00.txt | 22:00 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2016/swift.2016-02-10-21.00.log.html | 22:00 |
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| onovy | notmyname: and swift-bench you forgot! | 22:00 |
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| notmyname | onovy: ...maybe... ;-) | 22:00 |
| onovy | :] | 22:00 |
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