Thursday, 2016-03-03

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thinrichsHi all00:01
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thinrichs#startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting00:01
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thinrichsekcs, pballand, masahito: courtesy ping00:01
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thinrichsramineni1: hi00:01
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thinrichsmasahito: are you here?00:03
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thinrichsThe main thing on today's agenda is mitaka300:03
thinrichsMasahito sent a note to openstack-dev saying he tested the client.00:03
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thinrichsAnd all looked good except for 2 issues.00:04
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thinrichsIssue 1 I think we ignore.00:05
thinrichsIt says that the output of rule list isn't a table.00:05
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thinrichsWe tried outputting rules as a table for a while, and it became really hard to read with any reasonably long rules.00:05
ramineni1thinrichs: ya, i remember that output was intetional right00:05
thinrichsramineni1: yep00:05
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thinrichsIssue 2 is pretty minor: that the help message says you need to provide a datasource NAME00:06
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thinrichswhen in reality you can provide a NAME or ID.00:06
openstackLaunchpad bug 1552212 in python-congressclient "Non accurate help messages for dataosurce CLI" [Undecided,New]00:06
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thinrichsAnyone know how easy that is to fix?00:07
ramineni1its easy00:07
ramineni1just help message should be updated right00:07
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thinrichsThat's what the bug says.00:07
ramineni1ill check, it should be one line fix00:08
thinrichsIf it's that easy, let's go ahead and do it.00:08
ramineni1thinrichs: ok00:08
thinrichsI did some testing of the client as well.00:09
thinrichsI ran into 500 errors during datasource creation ...00:09
openstackLaunchpad bug 1552037 in congress "500 when creating a datasource without config" [Critical,New]00:09
ramineni1thinrichs: oh , with datasource api model in place?00:09
thinrichsbut then realized that at the time the datasource api model wasn't moved over to dse2.00:09
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thinrichsNow that the new datasource api model has merged...00:10
thinrichsI'll need to test it again.00:10
ramineni1thinrichs: ok00:10
thinrichsBut otherwise I found no issues with the client.00:10
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ekcshmmm. wonder why moving to dse2 matters here. i’ll try to reproduce.00:11
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thinrichsSo once we get this quick fix into the client, I'll create the mitaka release.00:11
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thinrichs(the release for the client)00:11
thinrichsekcs: Not sure  But we definitely have new code to test now that we've moved over to Dse2.00:12
ramineni1thinrichs: planning to release today your time?00:13
thinrichsSo make sure that we're testing all the current code.  No need to debug old code.00:13
thinrichsramineni1: I'll release tomorrow.  Too late today if something goes wrong.00:13
thinrichs#topic server00:13
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ramineni1thinrichs: oohok00:13
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thinrichsmasahito: hi!00:14
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thinrichsWe just finished discussing the client.00:14
masahitosorry, late00:14
thinrichsAnd your analysis of the client readiness for release.00:14
thinrichsmasahito: no problem00:14
thinrichsWe decided to leave the first issue (rules not printed as a table) as it is, but to fix the second issue (incorrect help messages).00:15
thinrichsHow does that sound?00:15
thinrichsA long time ago, we had rules printed out in a table, and they became almost impossible to read when they were long.00:16
masahitosounds good.00:16
thinrichsI'm planning to release the client tomorrow (my time), which gives ramineni a chance to put the fix in place.00:16
masahitogot it.00:17
thinrichsramineni1: you volunteered for that, right?00:17
thinrichsOr did I just volunteer you accidentally?  :)00:17
ramineni1thinrichs: ya, i can fix that00:17
thinrichsNow onto the server.00:17
thinrichsLooking at the outstanding changes…00:17
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thinrichsI think we just want to get Eric's top 2 changes in before we freeze master.00:18
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thinrichsekcs: any questions that we should discuss now so we can get those merged?00:19
ekcsthinrichs: not really. if the patches look good then pls merge. one issue:00:20
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ekcsonce partitioning patch is merged, I’d like to update the heartbeat patch again to use the new partitioning convention and then merge.00:20
thinrichsCan you push the partitioning patch ahead of the heartbeat patch?  Or would that be nontrivial?00:21
ramineni1ekcs: one question00:21
ekcsany order works.00:21
ekcsno dependency as it stands.00:21
ramineni1ekcs: we have published_tables and subscribed tables in dataserviceinfo class right? are they updated anywhere?00:22
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ekcsramineni1: I think they’re not currently being updated. All the code is referring to DseNode for that information.00:24
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ekcsNot sure which way to make it in the future.00:25
ramineni1ekcs: hmm,i feel  its good to have them updated , to have the info in dataservice class itself is easy to maintian right away? but if not now, may be in the future00:25
thinrichsramineni1: is that what you're asking in this comment in the heartbeat change?00:26
ramineni1thinrichs: ya00:26
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thinrichsramineni1: sounds like that's something that's not a blocker for the patch then.  Is that patch good to merge as is?00:27
ramineni1i feel having all the data in node makes it hard to maintain in future,00:28
ramineni1thinrichs: ya, should be fine as is now, but may be in future if we could maintain, it would make things easier i felt00:28
thinrichsramineni1: got it00:29
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thinrichsI see so right now we're storing ALL subscription info inside the node, and you're suggesting we have it stored in the individual data services.00:30
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thinrichsAnd then on each heartbeat, we pull that data all together from the services and send it along.00:30
ramineni1thinrichs: yes,00:30
thinrichsThat right?00:30
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ramineni1thinrichs: along with services that data is also received by default00:31
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thinrichsI guess the downside is that it'll cost a bit to assemble all the subscription info from different places on each heartbeat.00:31
ramineni1thinrichs: so we need to extract and update00:32
ekcsI see the appeal in that, because each node “owns” it’s on subscriptions. On the other hand, the node is the entity that actually uses the data. the individual dataservices really dont.00:32
ekcss/each node/each dataservice00:32
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thinrichsIs this a question of taste/style, or is there a technical benefit to storing the subscriptions in the data services?00:33
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ramineni1thinrichs: i guess it wont be that hard to store assemble also, if we go by this approach , it should be easier than what we do now?00:33
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ekcsI see it more as style. Heartbeat aside, the node is responsible for distributing incoming pubs to each service. So it’s the entity that needs the subscription information. the individuall services mostly don’t care.00:34
ekcsstoring with service has the advantage that it’s organized in a way that corresponds to the intuition that each service owns its subscription info.00:36
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thinrichsramineni1: is there a technical benefit that you see?00:36
ekcsbut storing with node actually makes the code simpler.00:36
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ramineni1ekcs: i felt the other way00:36
ramineni1thinrichs: its easy to maintain and understand i felt ,00:38
ramineni1thinrichs: may be we can ignore for now00:38
thinrichsI see both sides, and in those cases I typically think that the person writing the code should make the call.00:38
thinrichsSo let's move on.00:39
thinrichsSounds like the existing heartbeat patch is ready to go in.00:39
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thinrichsMaybe we merge that one and the partitioning one...00:40
thinrichsand then you can push your test change for the heartbeat code as a separate patch ekcs.00:40
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ekcsexcept that it still usses old style partitioning code. so if we merge the test partition patch first then I can update hb.00:40
ekcsoh ok that works too.00:40
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thinrichsLet's all take a look at the newest partitioning test code…00:41
thinrichsEric's pushed an update recently.00:41
thinrichsOnce the existing heartbeat patch goes in, we can all start testing heavily.00:42
thinrichsLooking for bugs and corner cases.00:42
thinrichsBefore I forget, we should update the standalone install instructions.00:42
thinrichsOr at least make sure that they are working.00:42
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thinrichsI've got a patch to update the devstack install instructions.00:42
thinrichsDoes anyone want to volunteer to test the standalone install?00:42
thinrichsNot with devstack.00:43
thinrichsThe standalone instructions are for when you want to install just congress, without keystone, nova, etc.00:43
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ramineni1i never tried that, i can try once00:44
thinrichsramineni1: thanks!00:44
ekcsi think i’ve done it before, but don’t remember whither i’ve ever gotten it completely working.00:44
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thinrichsIf it doesn't actually work, we should know that.00:45
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thinrichsOtherwise, let's all spend time hammering on Congress to find as many bugs as we can and fix them.00:46
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thinrichsOnce we think we've got most of the bugs squashed, we'll branch and create a release candidate.00:46
thinrichsI'll release mitaka3 tomorrow with whatever is in master.00:47
thinrichsAny questions?00:47
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thinrichs#topic new core00:48
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thinrichsLast topic for the day.00:48
thinrichsA happy one.00:48
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thinrichsmasahito has now officially been promoted to core.00:49
thinrichsSo you'll undoubtedly start seeing him +2 and merge code.00:49
thinrichsmasahito: Congratulations!00:49
ramineni1masahito: congrats :)00:49
masahitoThank you everyone.00:49
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thinrichsThat's it on the agenda for me.  Anything else to discuss?00:50
masahitoAll your support helped me. I'm really appreciating it.00:51
thinrichsmasahito: you earned it.  We're glad to have you on the team!00:51
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thinrichsThanks all!  Have a good week.00:53
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Daisymorning, eumel806:00
DaisyI will start I18n meeting.06:00
eumel8just in time *g*06:00
Daisy#startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting06:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Mar  3 06:00:15 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is Daisy. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.06:00
ianychoiHello all :)06:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting'06:00
DaisyHello, ianychoi06:00
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DaisyHello, eumel806:00
DaisyThank you for your work in translation check website.06:00
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eumel8your welcome06:01
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DaisyThere is only 1 topic from me.06:01
eumel8hope there is some more progress this week06:01
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DaisyHope so, eumel8. I see the emails going through.06:01
Daisy#topic Kick off Mitaka translation06:01
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eumel8hi ianychoi :)06:02
ianychoiHello Daisy and eumel8 :)06:02
DaisyAccording to Mitaka release schedule, this week is feature freeze and soft string freeze.06:02
DaisyWe will start Mitaka translation from this week too.06:03
ianychoiYep, okay:)06:03
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DaisyI will annouce the kick off of Mitaka release in ML today.06:03
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DaisyThe translation plan has been discussed in ML too.06:03
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DaisyAs to the UI projects, we will translate Horizon, Horizon Authorization, Trove dashboard, sahara dashboard and Muruno dashboard.06:04
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DaisyKato has updated the home page. You can see the plan here: https://translate.openstack.org06:05
DaisyI will add "other" projects there as optional.06:05
DaisyHi, jftalta06:05
DaisyWe are talking about Mitaka translation plan. You can get it from the home page of the translation website.06:05
ianychoiThe translation plan looks good. Then, can we collaborate with some cross project liaisons for i18n now?06:06
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Daisy5 user interface related projects, and 8 or 9 "other" projects as optional, which will be the focus of IBM tranlsation team.06:06
ianychoiAnd with IBM?06:06
DaisyYes, we have some.06:06
jftaltaI won't be able to stay with you the whole meeting because it is 7 am in France and I have to get ready to go to work :(06:07
Daisyianychoi: not all. I will push to get more liaison in the following days.06:07
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ianychoiI got it. Thank you, Daisy :)06:07
Daisyjftalta: understand.06:07
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Daisyjftalta: there is only 1 topic. It's about mitaka translation. Do you have any questions ? If no, it's ok to leave. I will write email to ML with much detail information.06:08
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ianychoiThat's okay, jftalta . I am in working time  :)06:08
eumel8jftalta: you should first go to work and then join the meeting ;-)06:08
jftaltaFYI, I submit a patch yesterday for openstack-i18n-fr channel06:08
Daisygreat, jftalta06:08
jftaltaIt got 4+ and now it's in the CI pipeline.06:09
Daisyjftalta, ianychoi, eumel8: I have the I18n ATC naming list approved. I think active translators will get their codes for Austin summit this week or next.06:09
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jftalta<Daisy> great :)06:10
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katomogreat, Daisy06:10
DaisyI18n ATC naming list is approved by TC. Active translators will get their codes the week or the next, soon, in a few days. I hope it's not too late.06:10
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ianychoiActually, for ATC it is okay but I am not sure whether I would be able to go there or not..06:11
eumel8Daisy: Thanks. I have the code but won't attend the Austin summit.06:11
DaisyI plan to get our I18n ATC automatically getting codes, just as developers. It will take time.06:11
jftaltaI will submit a path today on the system-config repos to get openstack-i18n-fr mailing list as well.06:11
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Daisywow, I like it very much, jftalta06:12
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DaisyI see Robert from German team is asking how to add a mailing list.06:12
DaisyCan you reply his email and point to your patch ?06:12
jftaltaSure :)06:13
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eumel8thanks, jftalta06:13
ianychoiI think he already summited a patch for mailinglist: openstack-de and openstack-de-i18n06:13
Daisyanother news from me is
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DaisyAlthough I think the data is not that correct, it's a big progress, anyway.06:14
ianychoiI think the translation count only reflected master branches for project. Is it right?06:14
Daisyianychoi: I don't think so.06:15
DaisyThe patch is made Ilya Shakhat, stacklytics lead. I think he used the program in our I18n repo to get translators contribution data.06:15
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DaisyI just fee curious why zh-cn is less than zh-tw. :))06:16
eumel8I'm impressed06:16
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ianychoiFor my data, there is no data for my stable-liberty translations in openstack-manuals. This is why I thought such that.06:16
ianychoiBut it is so nice progress!!06:17
jftaltaOn Zanata home page, I can read "Mitaka Liberty translation (2016 March ~ 2016 April)" ....06:17
Daisyok, ianychoi, good point.06:17
katomoI noticed stackalytics restrict to some project06:17
Daisyjftalta: I see the typo too. katomo or I can update it after the meeting.06:17
katomoi will update06:18
jftaltakatomo: thanks06:19
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Daisywe can continue to improve the data in stackalytics, when Mitaka translation is done. Ilya Shakhat has created the base. We can work on the improvement.06:20
eumel8Daisy: So the nut is cracked with stackalytics and we need nothing more to do at the moment?06:21
ianychoiAnd katomo  Document translation (~2016 April) : second install-guide => user-guide.. :)06:21
Daisyeumel8: Yes, I feel so. We don't need to organize a sprint then.06:21
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eumel8oh, very good06:22
Daisyeumel8: save your weekend. :)06:22
eumel8very good work!06:22
Daisyok then. I think I'm done today. I will change the topic to open discusion.06:23
Daisy#open discussion06:23
Daisy#topic open discussion06:23
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Daisyany topics here ?06:24
DaisyIf no, we can close the meeting.06:24
eumel8translation checksite we're already on the way. Devstack master branch was broken some days so we loosed the time. Maybe we can install finaly this week. Depends on infra team06:24
DaisyThank you for the update, eumel8. Very good work.06:24
DaisyI cannot wait to see our translation check website.06:25
katomoeumel8 Thanks!06:25
ianychoiThanks, eumel8 ! I will also see the progress :)06:25
eumel8ok :)06:25
jftaltaWhen do you thinh the checksite will be ready for the translators ?06:25
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eumel8maybe Monday. But I don't know06:26
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jftaltaOh, great :)06:26
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Daisyanything else to talk here ?06:28
ianychoiNope from me06:28
eumel8not from my side06:28
jftaltanope from me too06:28
ianychoiOh, hello, amotoki !06:28
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jftaltahello !06:28
amotokiI read thru the log. Is murano-dashboard a part of prirotized projects?06:28
katomohello, amotoki06:28
eumel8hi amotoki06:28
DaisyYes, amotoki. Any questions ?06:29
amotokilooking at
jftaltaSorry but it's time for me to go to work. Hope you don't mind. See you.06:29
amotokimurano deployment is 7%. Is it worth targetted as Medium priority?06:29
amotokiI thought it is best effort one.06:29
eumel8cu jftalta06:30
ianychoisee you later, jftalta :)06:30
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amotokiI just wonder why murano-dashboard in and magnum-ui out from the list.06:31
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amotokiI think it is a fair question.06:31
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jftaltaBye everybody, bye Daisy.06:32
Daisyamotoki: We have liaison from Murano team and we don't have liaison from magnum team.06:32
amotokisame for designate-dash..06:32
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katomosee you, jftalta06:33
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DaisyI think it turns out that Murano team thinks translations are  important to their project.06:33
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amotokiaccoridng to the ml, shu-muto volunteers for liaison from magnum team.06:33
DaisyI don't see from the table.06:33
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DaisyIf magnum has liaison, I'm OK to add it.06:33
amotokiokay. if that is the reason, sounds fair.06:33
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amotokipritorities in my mind are:06:34
amotokihigh: horizon, d.o.a06:34
katomolets add magnum06:34
amotokimedium: trove/sahara-dash06:34
amotokilow: murano/magnum/others06:34
amotokiin a priority list06:35
ianychoiI have no objection on adding more dashboard plugins. I will follow the decision :)06:35
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amotokiokay. let's defer priorities inside the list to each lang team :)06:35
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amotokiI now agree to add them to the list.06:36
Daisyamotoki: as I said in the email, it's hard to tell which projects are important and which projects are not. According to the data, plugin projects will be our major work in the future. An important point in my mind is how collaborative the project dev team is06:36
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amotokiDaisy: understood. that is the major reason I quoted the project navigator.06:37
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amotokino objection now.06:38
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DaisyAnother point in my mind, but I didn't write in the mail, is how much the requirement to translate is. If some people care the project and want to translate, we don't have reason to reject the translation request.06:39
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amotokiagree in general.06:40
Daisyso I appreciate Kato much to ask the team about their thoughts. I'm OK add projects to the plan if people request to translate.06:40
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amotokii am just afraid we cannot review all of them well.06:40
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DaisyI have the same feel, amotoki. I don't know if people will pay attention to my email to dev mailing list and ask for liaison.06:41
amotokibut we are now in the stage to encourage more translations rather than better quality with throughout reivew.06:41
Daisyexactly, amotoki.06:41
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Daisythe good thing is that we will have our translation check website in this release.06:42
DaisyWe can ask people to help review.06:42
Daisya question06:42
amotokigood to hear that on translation check site ///06:43
Daisyif we ask more people to have review, when they think a translation is not correct, where do they report ? How do you think ?06:43
amotokiZanata interface is not so good for feedback/interaction between translators....06:44
DaisyI think bugs in lanchpad is a little heavy.06:44
ianychoi1) For local translation, discussion with local i18n team would be the best 2) 3) launchpad 4) i18n mailing-list ?06:44
amotokii prefer to local communication methods.06:44
katomoianychoi +106:45
Daisyen...local communication methods are not logged. But I'm fine as a temporary solution.06:45
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Daisyianychoi +106:45
amotokifrom our experince in local team, push notification from local communication methods would help us.06:46
amotokiwe are not always online.06:46
Daisyok then.06:47
DaisyI don't have strong objection to existing communication method, before we have better solutions to report translation bugs.06:47
ianychoiI think local methods would be the first currently because for Zanata, some Zanata users might not know well for how local translation are coordinated.06:47
amotokilet's discuss in a lang team and if it turns out it affects all, let's move it to i18n list or more general place.06:47
amotokiianychoi: totally agree.06:48
eumel8I think wrong translation in Zanata caused by general misunderstandings and this will end in a discussion in irc or mailing list. So I'm find with local communication methods. The outcome could be an addional entry in glossar, wiki or something like that06:48
amotokiwe don't have a way to share information among all translators.06:48
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ianychoiFor Korean translation, some users do not follow Korean glossary. I usually fix it, but I do not find proper ways to contact with the guys..06:49
Daisyianychoi: that's why I try to ask all translators appear in IRC, with their Zanata ID.06:50
amotokiI usually rejects such translation intentionally rather than fixing it by myself.06:50
ianychoiDaisy, I agree with it, but IRC might not be mandatory for some users.06:50
amotokibut they might already have IRC nick ....06:50
DaisyI know, amotoki06:50
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DaisySome people even don't know how to use IRC.06:51
Daisyor what IRC is.06:51
amotokiyeah. in addition, web based IRC client has poor experience.06:52
DaisyI think web based IRC is broken.06:52
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amotokion the other hand, it would be great if we can do all around transltiaons thru web-based interface :)06:53
Daisythe communication method discussion can be a long term discussion.06:53
Daisyamotoki: what do you mean ?06:53
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ianychoiOne question. Would it be easy to add dashboard for local teams in Zanata?06:53
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DaisyI don't find it, ianychoi.06:54
amotokiDaisy: most non-developers does not use apps like IRC or terminal.06:54
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eumel8there are fields for comments  in Zanata. Anybody used this option?06:54
amotokieumel8: we are using it.06:55
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amotokieumel8: but there is no efficient way to search/filter comments06:55
eumel8mhmm, ok, seems so06:55
amotokiif translations has 25 pages, we need to go thru 25 pages to find all comments.06:56
ianychoiI used it previously,  but usability is not good for me...06:56
DaisyI see amotoki put lots of comments under Japanese translations. I can see the discussion under Japanese team through comments and reply. It took me several hours to copy his comments out of Zanata and pass to IBM translators.06:56
amotokiin addition, comments have no status information.06:56
DaisyThere is a chat window in Zanata. But it cannot support offline messages.06:57
amotokion the other hand, comment is an easiest way to leave a note inline.06:57
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Daisywe have only 2 minutes left.06:58
eumel8imagine each comment would create a ticket06:58
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katomoeumel8, good idea06:58
DaisyIf zanata can support notifications and messages, I think it will help.06:59
amotokiI think it is useful if Zanata supports (1) filtering entries with comments (2) filteirng with comment status (like Transifex)06:59
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ianychoitickets would make translations stronger. +1 !06:59
katomotime now07:00
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ianychoiThanks all!07:00
DaisyWe will have a session in Austin summit to talk with Zanata dev team face to face.07:00
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DaisyThank you all for attending.07:00
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eumel8thanks all07:00
katomocontinue on ML.07:00
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gordc#startmeeting telemetry15:01
openstackMeeting started Thu Mar  3 15:01:26 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is gordc. Information about MeetBot at
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gordcok let's get this started.15:02
gordc#topic recurring: roadmap items (new/old/blockers)
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gordci just cut m-3 this morning against HEAD15:03
gordcfirst. thanks for all the work you folks have done this cycle15:03
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gordcregarding FFE, right now i'm just tracking idegtiarov timedelta patch15:04
gordcand r-mibu's tempest work (if it finishes)15:04
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ildikovgordc: the tempest work in Aodh?15:04
gordcif someone has anything outstanding, please yell now (although it probably won't work)15:04
gordcildikov: ceilometer and aodh15:05
gordcr-mibu: do you still think you'll have time?15:05
r-mibuyep, i'll finish in this cycle15:05
ildikovgordc: ok, cool15:05
gordcr-mibu: ok. just so you know, it ends very soon :)15:06
r-mibui'm planning to use different name in our plugins to avoid param conflict15:06
liushengI will try to help15:06
r-mibuso, it can be finish only in our repos,15:06
ildikovgordc: I started to check the Aodh one, I just got confused by the WIP sign15:06
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r-mibuliusheng, thanks!15:06
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ildikovr-mibu: cool, thanks for the clarifications15:06
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gordcok. so final cut is in ~1 week15:07
r-mibui will upload patches tomorrow, i'm working in my lab machine now...15:07
gordcMar 14-1815:07
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_nadya_gordc: bug fixes can still be merged, right?15:07
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gordcr-mibu: ok. thanks. hopefully we can merge it in.15:07
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r-mibuok, apologies for the delay :-p15:08
gordc_nadya_: yes, for next few weeks please test like crazy.15:08
gordcr-mibu: not a problem.15:08
ildikovgordc: final cut means FFE deadline, right?15:08
_nadya_gordc: yep...15:08
gordcildikov: yeah, rc1. i'm going to make executive decision and say if you can't get feature in for RC1, we'll push it to N*15:09
gordcildikov: seems like the logical answer.15:09
ildikovgordc: yeah, right, this is what I meant15:09
ildikovgordc: tnx!15:10
gordcso yeah, everyone with +2/+A powers, please do not merge anything unless it's:
gordcor a bug15:11
ildikovgordc: -2ing other feature patches until N?15:11
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gordcildikov: i've -2 a few. feel free to -2 if you like, but just remember you need to unblock it in a few weeks.15:12
ildikovgordc: I mean like what other projects are doing that "block this until next release" or we don't have that many?15:12
gordcildikov: i would say just leave it unless you feel like -2'ing stuff. :)15:12
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gordcildikov:  i trust most of us to not merge stuff.15:12
ildikovgordc: ok, works for me, I'm not that eager with -2ing15:12
gordcbut i guess if you think it's a feature pretending to be a bug, -2 it15:13
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ildikovgordc: it just can make it easier to remember that we are still in frozen state :)15:13
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ildikovgordc: ok, cool, crystal clear, tnx :)15:14
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gordcildikov: cool cool.15:14
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gordclet's do a quick run through of projects (i don't think we have much to discuss)15:15
gordc#topic aodh topics15:15
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gordcjust a heads up, i'm going to defer aodhclient in heat15:15
gordci didn't get a response when i asked about FFE last week15:15
gordcand i also realised it's a crazy big change.15:15
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gordcif someone wants to work on heat+aodhclient, here's the patch:
ildikovthen it sounds reasonable to defer15:16
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gordcfeel free to take it over (i only got unit tests working)15:16
liushenggordc: really a big change!15:17
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gordcliusheng: yeah, it was more work than i wanted15:17
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gordcliusheng: do you want to talk about 'aodh search --query' vs 'aodh list --query'?15:18
gordcwe can defer to ML as well15:18
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_nadya_gordc: this change goes to N?15:18
liushenggordc: yeah, we can have a shot discussion15:18
gordc_nadya_: aodhclient support in heat?15:19
_nadya_gordc: yes15:19
gordcyeah, i'm not working on it. and i don't think heat wants to do it (no one replied when i asked about it last week)15:19
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_nadya_gordc: I think I will be able to work on this soon15:20
gordc_nadya_: sure if you like. feel free to takeover my patch (or start from scratch)15:20
_nadya_gordc: ok, cool15:20
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gordc#topic aodh - list vs search15:21
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gordcliusheng: go for it15:21
liushenggordc: ok, I have a change try to drop the mandatory of "--type" in alarm list command15:22
liushengdo you have any thoughts about that ?15:22
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gordci don't mind dropping mandatory type. i think my question is what we want to do with list vs search15:23
gordcwant to see if anyone has an opinion on this.15:23
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_nadya_liusheng: what's the reason of dropping --type?15:24
ildikovdoes list with query equal to search15:24
gordcdisclaimer: the format was taken from gnocchiclient15:24
liushengyes, support query filters in "aodh alarm list" or support complex query in alarm search15:24
liushengin ceilometercliet, we supportted both15:24
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liusheng_nadya_: I think it is not reasonable to force users specifying --type if they just want to list alarms15:25
_nadya_liusheng: I see, agreed15:26
liusheng_nadya_: and, may be users want to get all the alarms in "ALARM" state and regardless the type15:26
_nadya_liusheng: so the question "what filters should be supported in alarm list and alarm search"?15:27
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liusheng_nadya_: no, we have support almost all the query filters by "alarm search" (complex query), so gordon think we don't need duplicated functionaities in "alarm list"15:28
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gordc_nadya_: so in gnocchiclient, list doesn't really have any filters (just how much details are shown). search is what you use to filter15:29
gordcliusheng: i think it's confusing to have query in both list and search. we should unify them.15:29
gordceither a) move all filtering capability to search15:30
liushengbut it has been already supportted in aodh-api :)15:30
gordcor b) drop search and move everythin to list15:30
gordcright so there will be --query and --complex-query options... but they should both be under same command.15:31
gordcit just seems confusing to have list --query and search --query15:31
gordcor maybe that's just me.15:31
ildikovI tend to agree that it causes confusion15:31
ildikovit looks momre reasonable under search15:31
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liushenggordc: I thinks it is better to support filters in alarm list, maybe we can support them both temporally ?15:32
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gordcliusheng: drop alarm search command then?15:32
ildikovwhat if we call query as filter for alarm list?15:32
_nadya_got it. IIUC, "list" and "search" both return the list of results. Tend to agree that these commands look very similar15:32
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gordc_nadya_: right15:33
liushenggordc: since we have plan to support pagination in the future, yes, I think pagination and filtering query is enough15:33
ildikovand keep complex-query for search or pick one and stick with that15:33
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liushengwhat do you think ?15:33
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gordcare we dropping alarm search command? i don't mind this.15:34
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gordci think right now it's not obvious what diff between list --query|filter vs search --query is...15:34
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ildikovI would drop list, but I think it's just a matter of taste :)15:35
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liushenggordc: I prefer that, but I respect all of your opinions15:36
gordcwe should drop one, or leave all filtering (complex and regular) capabilities in search15:36
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gordcgnocchiclient uses second approach15:37
gordci think most clients for other projects, use first approach.15:37
ildikovdo we have any intention to keep these clients similar?15:37
liushengagree, if we just support "alarm list" without any parameter, it is equal to "alarm search" with no parameter specified15:37
ildikovI mean what is under Telemetry umbrella15:37
_nadya_+1 to drop one. but the question is in backward-compatibility. Do we care about it? or aodhclient is a new one and we don't want to mantain ceilometer alarming there?15:38
gordcildikov: no plans. i just happened to build aodhclient off gnocchiclient becuase it was using all the latest libs15:38
gordc_nadya_: i think we can ignore backward-compatbility (for now) :)15:39
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ildikovgordc: sure, I meant that you referred to it as it uses the second approach so we might keep aodhclient similar so that who uses both knows what to expect15:39
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liushengfor  backward-compatibility, we need support both :)15:39
gordcildikov: right. or if you use one, you get get confused.lol15:40
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ildikovhmm, maybe we can still do things now quickly and tell people that they don't remember correctly that aodhclient supported this or that... ;)15:40
ildikovgordc: why would I use only one? ;)15:41
gordcliusheng: i don't have a recommendation, maybe defer to ML?15:42
gordcunless someone has a strong opinion righ tnow15:42
gordcright now*15:43
liushenggordc: OK, I will open a thread in ML15:43
gordcliusheng: thanks!15:43
gordc#topic ceilometer topics15:43
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_nadya_yep, it would be better to discuss it in ML15:43
gordcanything here?15:43
ifat_afekyou switched to ceilometer topic, but can I take 2 min to talk about aodh-vitrage integration? or should I do it in ML?15:44
gordcwe have nothing for ceilometer anyways15:44
gordc#topic aodh+vitrage integration15:44
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gordcifat_afek: go for it15:45
ifat_afekso we started working on aodh-vitrage integration. basically, it has 3 parts:15:45
ifat_afek1. vitrage should periodically query aodh alarms. this seems quite straight forward15:45
ifat_afek2. vitrage should be notified whenever an aodh alarm state is changed. this is more complicated, and we decided to implement it at a later stage15:45
ifat_afek3. vitrage should trigger deduced alarms (vitrage alarms) in aodh. this is also not trivial15:45
ifat_afekI created two blueprints, for #1 and #3. I will be happy to get your feedback about them.15:45
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ifat_afekthere is much more information in vitrage wiki page:
gordcifat_afek: cool cool, we can comment on the specs15:47
gordci think #2 is possible since we have zaqar notifier but i haven't really tried15:47
ifat_afekgordc: that would be great, thanks15:47
ifat_afekwe do plan to implement #2, but for now we will focus on 1 and 315:48
gordccool cool, so i guess aodh devs can comment there.15:49
liushengifat_afek: hi, thanks, what is main reason for periodically querying aodh alarms ?15:49
_nadya_ifat_afek: will vitrage create it's own alarms in aodh?15:49
ifat_afekliusheng: we would like to have all aodh alarms in vitrage for rca and deduced alarms calculations. and doing periodic query seems easier than getting notifications about changes...15:49
ifat_afek_nadya_: we would like to do this. this is the purpose of the #315:50
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liushengifat_afek: will look the specs, thanks :)15:51
ifat_afekliusheng: great, thanks!15:52
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gordccool cool. open discussion?15:52
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gordc#topic open discussion15:52
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gordcjust an fyi, ~1 week until PTL self-nominations if anyone is interested.15:52
gordcthat's all i have15:53
liushengdo you have any plan about the Bug smash ? :-)15:53
gordcliusheng: not formally. we have a lot of bugs though in aodh/ceilometer/gnocchi :)15:53
liushenggordc: :)15:55
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gordcsorry folks, i have to run to a meeting. we all good?15:55
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gordccool cool.15:56
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gordcthanks everyone again15:56
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emaganahello folks.. anyone for the Networking Guide meeting?15:59
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Sam-I-Amemagana: moo?16:00
emaganaSam-I-Am: Yes! One more16:00
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emagana#startmeeting networking-guide16:03
openstackMeeting started Thu Mar  3 16:03:16 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is emagana. Information about MeetBot at
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'networking_guide'16:03
emaganalet's go for it.16:03
emaganaIt seems that we have minimal attendence today16:03
emaganabut we have had a lot of activity on gerrit which is good.16:04
emaganaAnyway.. let's go quickly over this one.16:04
emagana#topic Announcements16:04
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emaganaSam-I-Am: ANything?16:04
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emaganaBTW. I want you to give a quick update on the neutron mid cycle but a bit later..16:04
Sam-I-Amnot much. mostly focusing on the install guide. also working on some neutron things like fixing mtu.16:05
emaganalet's move directly to the update16:05
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emagana#topic neutron mid-cycle update16:05
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emaganaSam-I-Am: Do you want to share the highlights?16:05
Sam-I-Ami think armax sent a pretty detailed post to the mailing list16:06
Sam-I-Ambut one of the big things for us (docs) was fixing mtu16:06
Sam-I-Amthats been a problem for a looooong time16:06
emaganaindeed he did..16:06
Sam-I-Amsecond to that, i had a chance to help a few people learn how to contribute to docs16:06
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emaganalet me try to find out the link to his email16:06
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Sam-I-Amso we're seeing contributions from neutron folks now16:06
emaganayou bet me16:08
emaganaThat is great and yes I have seen more contributions..16:08
Sam-I-Amits nice16:09
emaganaI am happy about the MTU action items  ;-)16:09
Sam-I-Amstill need to update the scenarios for mitaka :/16:09
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emaganaIf you need help, let me know. If you start with one I can help with others and get more people to help as well16:10
emaganaanything else on this topic?16:11
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Sam-I-Amnothing from me16:11
emaganaok.. moving on16:11
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emaganaanything to chat about previous action items?16:12
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emaganafor instance: Clean up file names and references to meet conventions - Update16:12
Sam-I-Ami think i mostly finished that16:12
emaganaSam-I-Am: great!16:13
Sam-I-Amhowever, i'm starting to think we need a little reorganization of content to match whats coming in16:13
emaganaWhat about: Modify legacy and L3HA scenarios to support attaching VMs to public/external/provider networks?16:13
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Sam-I-Amthats not done16:13
Sam-I-Amthats a lot of work16:13
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emaganalet's keep it as WIP  :-)16:14
Sam-I-Amprobably post install guide at this point16:14
Sam-I-Ammight be a backport to the mitaka guide16:14
emaganasounds good!16:14
Sam-I-Amthe day job has me booked solid16:14
emagana#topic Open Agenda16:14
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emaganaI want to know if Sam-I-Am can help on merging this one:16:15
emaganalooks ready to go from my point of view..16:15
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Sam-I-Ami'd have to look at it more closely16:17
emaganait's ok16:17
emaganatake your time16:17
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emaganathat's all I have for Open Agenda. Anything from anyone? (which means Sam-I-Am  :-)16:17
Sam-I-Amlooks close though16:17
Sam-I-Amnothing else here16:17
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emaganaok.. let's close this one..16:18
emaganaThanks Sam-I-Am16:18
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mtreinish#startmeeting qa17:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Mar  3 17:00:47 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mtreinish. Information about MeetBot at
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mtreinishhi, who's here today?17:00
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mtreinishtoday's agenda:17:01
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mtreinishoomichi, andreaf: around?17:02
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mtreinishok, let's get started17:02
mtreinish#topic Specs Reviews17:02
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oomichimtreinish: hi17:03
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mtreinishwe've got a few open spec reviews (I think some of that is the fallout from the code sprint last week)17:03
mtreinishit'd be good if people put some eyes on those when they get a chance17:03
mtreinishdoes anyone have any open spec review they'd like to discuss?17:04
jordan__I don't (just to say I am reading thisà17:04
oomichimtreinish: one thing17:04
oomichimtreinish: what is "Move reintegrate-tempest-lib spec to implemented" ?17:04
mtreinishoomichi: the bp is closed so that is just house keeping to say its done :)17:05
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oomichithe code of tempest-lib is already merged into tempest now. so what is that?17:05
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mtreinishoomichi: it just moves the file into the implemented subdir17:05
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oomichimtreinish: ah, ok. the spec should be approved soon :-)17:05
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mtreinishjordan__: which one are you reading?17:06
jordan__(reading the channel)17:07
mtreinishah, ok17:07
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mtreinishdoes anyone have anything else to discuss on this topic?17:07
oomichinothing from me17:08
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mtreinishok, lets move on then17:08
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mtreinish#topic Priority Items17:09
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mtreinishso IIRC mitaka-3 is this week17:09
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mtreinishlooking at the priority list there are 3 items listed for M317:10
mtreinishtempest cli, resource configuration, and finish plugin decomposition for non base layer projects17:10
dpatersonI am getting back on wrapping run next week17:11
dpatersonthat should close cli bp when completed17:11
mtreinishI'm assigned that last 1 and it's still in progress. We're down to just trove, heat, ceilo, and sahara in tree iirc17:11
mtreinishdpaterson: ok, cool17:12
mtreinishfor tempest that is, I need to check the plugins in devstack and grenade too17:12
oomichiservice client thing also should be shifted to M3 now, will make sumarry for the next meeting17:12
mtreinishI still hope to have that finished by the end of the cycle17:12
mtreinishoomichi: ok, thanks17:13
jordan__I thought ceilo was done17:13
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oomichimtreinish: yeah, that should be done17:13
jordan__there's at least a WIP somewhere17:13
mtreinishjordan__: they have the patches up to add a plugin17:13
mtreinishbut nothing to remove it from the tempest side17:13
mtreinishif the plugin patches landed we can go ahead and remove the tempest code17:13
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oomichiironic code still exist in tempest side even if they implemented it in project side.17:14
jordan__mtreinish, do you have a link to that plugin patch ?17:15
oomichidoes that(removing the code from temest) depend on each project policy or something?17:15
mtreinishoomichi: sigh, I forgot about that. Ok, 1 more project to add to the list of people I need to harass17:15
devanandaoomichi: we have to leave it there for stable branch testing17:15
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oomichidevananda: yeah, that is a nice point.17:16
mtreinishdevananda: no you don't, you just need to install the plugin against tempest in the venv17:16
mtreinishand add that to your stable jobs17:16
mtreinishjordan__: so I just checked the base plugin landed already in ceilo, but there are no tests17:16
devanandamtreinish: stable branches of ironic do not have the plugin17:16
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devanandamtreinish: oh, i see. install master ironic in a venv alongside tempest, and use that to test stable ironic? ... interesting17:16
mtreinishdevananda: yes17:17
mtreinishdevananda: that's how tempest does it because it's branchless17:17
devanandajroll: ^17:17
mtreinishdevananda: it's part of the reason I always advocate making the tempest plugin live in a seperate project (it makes that much easier)17:17
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devanandamtreinish: huh, well, I believe we followed the docs, which didn't suggest that. </sigh>17:18
jrolldevananda: mtreinish: yeah, this is on my list to investigate this week17:18
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oomichimtreinish: interesting idea17:18
mtreinishdevananda: I can add that to the docs (I guess I forgot to add that suggestion when I wrote them)17:18
jrollbut yeah, once we fix this bit, we can drop the ironic code from tempest17:19
devanandamtreinish: it makes sense. thanks :)17:19
oomichithis kind of thing will be helpful for the other projects also17:19
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mtreinishok, is there anything else to discuss on this topic?17:20
oomichithe one point is that we need to run stable tests if changing master tempest-like tests on each project17:20
oomichion the above mtreinish's idea.17:20
oomichifor checking tempest-like test change works for stable branch17:21
mtreinishoomichi: well I thought we decided in yvr that it was a project level decision to define there own stable testing policy for this17:21
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oomichimtreinish: yeah, that should17:22
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oomichibut the stable team is different from project core team now, that also is difficult to maintain each project repo17:23
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mtreinishlike we were making a bright line on things we were going to worry about (and those were things with in tree tests)17:23
oomichiyeah, nice to discuss it on your doc patch ;-)17:24
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jlanouxmtreinish: jordan__ Now that tempest_lib is back in Tempest, what's going on with the migration? Shall we still migrate things in tempest.lib?17:24
mtreinishwell sort of, the stable team is even smaller than qa (I'm involved in both) and it's the same self service approach for the most part17:24
jordan__jlanoux, yes. as far as i know17:25
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jordan__that's what I read in the spec17:25
mtreinishjlanoux: yes, to continue getting the advantages of code updates you should change tempest_lib to tempest.lib17:25
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mtreinishbut the old tempest-lib repo isn't ever going away, it just won't get updates17:25
jlanouxmtreinish: jordan__ ok - thanks17:26
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mtreinishok, I think we should move on to the next topic now17:26
mtreinish#topic Tempest17:26
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mtreinishtosky: you put an item in the agenda for this right?17:27
toskymtreinish: dmellado did it, he couldn't attent now17:27
toskyso I can talk about it17:27
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toskyif you don't have other points for that topic17:27
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mtreinishtosky: go ahead, you're on the agenda so you get to go first :)17:28
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toskyso briefly: this could be just a downstream (packaging) problem, but an opinion is highly appreciated17:28
toskyin RDO we are starting to package test code in separate subpackages (usually service-tests), this include the code which uses the Tempest Plugin interface17:29
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jordan__(I have to go now, sorry. Opinion needed here:
toskyand what happens is that the entry point for the plugin interface, coming from setup.cfg, ends up in a common package with the code (like, python-<servicename>)17:30
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mtreinishjordan__: ok, no worries17:30
toskyif you have just that one, without <servicename>-tests, and you run testr list-tests (or tempest cli), then testr complains with an exception17:31
mtreinishtosky: right because you added an entrypoint without any code for that path17:31
toskyexactly: the exception was added explicitly:
openstackLaunchpad bug 1474765 in tempest "Discovery ignores plugin errors" [Medium,Fix released] - Assigned to Marc Koderer (m-koderer)17:31
mtreinishso the load_tests hook tries to import that code during discovery and it can't17:31
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toskythe possible annoyance is that if you just install openstack-tempest, you basically need to manually install all the packages with tests even if you don't need to use them, and having the tempest rpm depend on all the -tests package is a bit complicated to maintain17:32
toskyso the question is whether you could suggest a solution, or if you think it's not a real problem (just documentation on our side), etc17:33
mtreinishtosky: I'm not sure we want to change that. I think being explicit and failing when you can't use a plugin because it doesn't work for whatever reason is better17:33
toskyyes, I understand that17:34
mtreinishwhen you think about using this in any automated testing if you install a broken plugin and it just logs a warning and moves on you'll get successful results even though your tests didn't run17:34
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mtreinishI think we can try to make this more clear in the tempest docs and the runtime failure more obvious (if it's not already)17:34
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mtreinishbut I think erring on the side of failure is the correct behavior17:35
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toskyyes, I guess there is no way to distinguish an intended failure (because the code is not installed by choice)17:35
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toskyand it's not possible to split the entry points in a subpackage17:36
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toskyokidoki, thanks for clarifying this17:36
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mtreinishtosky: well you could patch it out of sahara and add a separate setup.cfg to your tests package17:37
toskyuhm , with just the entry point17:37
mtreinishbut this kinda of complexity is the other part of why I advocate doing tempest plugins in seperate projects/repos17:37
toskynot sure it's possible with rpm, the splitting of packages is done at "installation" time17:37
toskyI see, right17:38
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mtreinishtosky: yeah, I think you'd have to get a bit clever in the spec file. It would require moving a bunch of stuff around17:38
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mtreinishit's doable I think, but probably not worth it17:38
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mtreinishok, is there anything else to discuss on tempest this week?17:41
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mtreinishok, then let's move on17:42
mtreinish#topic Devstack + Grenade17:42
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mtreinishdoes anyone have anything to discuss on devstack or grenade this week?17:42
mtreinishdtroyer, sdague: ?17:43
mtreinishsc68cal: ?17:43
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sc68calI think we have a patch up to do a DVR multinode grenade job17:43
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sc68caloh. It merged.17:44
mtreinishsc68cal: heh17:44
mtreinishwell I was gonna a make a joke about the failure rate on that job, but I guess we can look it up now :)17:44
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sc68calI am hoping to be pleasantly surprised17:45
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mtreinishok, is there anything else on this topic?17:46
sc68calthat's all I have so far. Devstack neutron refactor is still in progress. I'm at the point where I need to create the networks that tempest expects for running tests17:46
sc68calwithout making it as messy as neutron-legacy17:46
mtreinishsc68cal: oh fun, I tried digging into the neutron-legacy side for that a month or so ago when we had a gate failure on tempest's network usage17:47
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mtreinishso I'm really looking forward to not staring at it for an hour and coming up with basically nothing to show for it :)17:47
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mtreinishok, lets move on17:48
mtreinish#topic Critical Reviews17:48
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mtreinishdoes anyone have any open reviews they'd like to get extra eyes on?17:49
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mtreinishwell I have 2 quick ones this week:17:50
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mtreinishalthough dims is the only other active +2 on that 2nd link17:50
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mtreinishok, if there aren't any other reviews I'll open the floor17:52
mtreinish#topic Open Discussion17:52
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jlanouxquick question: what is the status on nova network?17:52
mtreinishin the last ~7min does anyone have a topic not on the agenda they'd like to discuss?17:52
mtreinishjlanoux: like when is it going away?17:53
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jlanouxmtreinish: yes or is it ok to move nova network calls to neutron ones in Tempest?17:53
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mtreinishjlanoux: we need to support both for the forseeable future. It's not even deprecate yet17:54
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jlanouxmtreinish: okidoki17:54
mtreinishand we also have to support the stable branches17:54
jlanouxok - thanks17:54
toskyquick question (maybe) when a set of API tests is moved outside tempest to a project repository17:54
mtreinishso even if it were to go away in newton (which would be 6months too fast) we couldn't get rid of it in tempest until mitaka-eol17:55
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oomichissh timeout thing.17:55
oomichican we discuss it now?17:55
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toskydo you suggest, or at least would you not be against, a procedure which involve importing the history of that code in the project repository, instead of a dump of the last version? Did anyone do it?17:55
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mtreinishtosky: you should use master tests of everything just venv isolate tempest and the plugin and run it against a stable service17:56
mtreinishoomichi: we can, but there are only ~3min left :)17:56
toskymtreinish: it's not about running it, it's about the procedure of moving the code17:57
oomichithe ssh timeout happens on scenario tests only without api tests now.17:57
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oomichibut as discussion, have we already seen the reason why that happens on scenario tests only?17:57
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mtreinishoomichi: we don't run ssh on api tests in the default configuration17:57
mtreinishtosky: I'm not sure I understand what you're asking about17:58
oomichimtreinish: ah, I see the point.17:58
toskymtreinish: when you move the code, you usually just dump the last version of the moved code in a review; I'd like to keep the history instead17:58
jlanouxoomichi: you can look at the non-voting ssh job for data17:58
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oomichijlanoux: ah, thanks. will dig it later deeply17:59
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mtreinishtosky: oh, so editing history is never the right thing to do17:59
jlanouxoomichi: np17:59
mtreinishit messes everything up, and it doesn't work in the upstream system17:59
toskymtreinish: and that's not the thing I want to do :)17:59
oomichijlanoux: so the conculusion is just network problem, right?17:59
mtreinishtosky well we've got 10 secs, so let's pick this up in -qa17:59
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mtreinishok, we're at time18:00
oomichijlanoux: not ssh problem18:00
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mtreinishthanks everyone18:00
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stevemardtroyer: gonna be a few minutes late for the meeting18:58
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dtroyerstevemar: roger18:59
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dtroyer#startmeeting openstackclient19:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Mar  3 19:00:51 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is dtroyer. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:00
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dtroyerHi all… who is here for OSC meeting?19:01
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navidpI am19:01
singhjsame here19:02
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dtroyerLet's get started…19:03
dtroyer#topic reviews19:03
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dtroyerAnyone have specific reviews to talk about?19:03
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navidpI have auth migration from ksc to ksa
rtheisI think a recent nova API validation change broke osc and nova aggregate create19:04
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dtroyeris that blocking more than just OSC?19:05
rtheisThis patch should unblock the gate and we can look at reverting once nova is fixed19:05
rtheisI'm not aware of others being blocked19:05
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dtroyerthe linked bug looks to be totally different19:06
rtheisI asked on openstack-nova channel but no response19:06
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rtheisyeah, but it resulted in which I *think* is the cause19:07
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dtroyerThe last time we went down a path like this they basically didn't want to do anything to the client lib..this time I don't think they'll be able to ignore it of the nova CLI is affected too19:07
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dtroyerok, I see now at the bottom…19:08
dtroyerI +2'd it, poke stevemar when he shows up…or after check run completes19:09
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rtheiswill do19:09
dtroyerI've been looking at that this morning, haven't posted my comments yet19:09
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dtroyerI went down the rabbit hole of looking at my previous attempts to do this…they all involved varying amounts of occ pain19:10
dtroyerI like that you're not going there yet19:10
navidpdtroyer, thanks, wanted to check the approach i took confirms19:10
dtroyerI posted my comments…basically you're changing OSC's TokenEndpoint class in an incompatible way19:11
navidpi thought if it would get accepted then we can start deprecating osc plugins or else19:11
dtroyerwe'll probably never remove OSC's TokenEndpoint, jamielennox doesn't like it and we can't use his version19:11
dtroyerOSCGenericPassword may be able to go away soon19:12
dtroyerit probably already can' although the problem it works around is still in the wild19:12
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navidpI used admin token for osc token endpoint as i compared it to the ksc.19:13
navidpdtroyer, do you want to add deprecation for osc_password ?19:14
rtheishow does this related to ?  two different fixes to same problem?19:14
dtroyermonty's goes way far and attempts to (in an incompatible way) move everything to occ19:14
dtroyerI've tried that three times myself already19:15
dtroyersince that was written.  also, it's way old19:15
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dtroyera lot in occ has changed since then, I'm not sure how much of that stevemar took into account in his rebase19:15
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navidpI thought this way we can initiate it and go further step by step without breaking everything.19:16
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dtroyernavidp: exactly.  but we also need to make sure we have tests to ensure we don't break compatibility19:16
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dtroyerany other reviews?19:17
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navidpdtroyer, sure and thanks19:18
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rtheissinghj: I plan to take a look today19:18
singhjjust need to get this signed off on soon , 'port list' and 'port set' depend on it19:18
singhjrtheis: thanks19:18
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rtheisLast I checked it look pretty good19:19
rtheisany specific concerns?19:19
dtroyerI had not gotten back to that one today yet…19:19
rtheissinghj ^19:19
singhjrtheis: nothing from me19:19
dtroyersinghj: will do after a bit, it was just details left for me19:20
brad_behlertheis already has reviewed the one I just posted and +2'd it, and at least one other patch depends on it so I was hoping to merge it today.19:20
singhjdtroyer: cool, thanks19:20
rtheisbrad_behle: thanks for making those changes19:21
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dtroyerbrad_behle: I don't think I've looked at it closely yet, will add to the list19:21
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brad_behlertheis: thanks for the reviews, that subnet create has taken a while, a lot of parms to get right and documented19:22
brad_behledtroyer: thanks!19:22
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dtroyercreates are often hard like that…19:22
* dtroyer started with server create back in the day19:22
rtheisno other reviews from me19:23
dtroyerI wanted to bring up
dtroyerone question I have is about adding a 'backup' action19:23
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dtroyerwe already have it as an object name19:24
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dtroyeralso, I'm not aure how this differs from server image breate19:24
dtroyer(aside from the obvious calls-a-different-manager-method)19:24
dtroyerI am wondering if anyone else things having an object and action with the same name might be confusing19:25
dtroyeralso, 'server backup' is actually what is being created:  server backup create19:25
rtheisgood question ... I do think it is confusing19:25
dtroyerthe existing 'bakcup' object may need to be qualified too…I think it is a volume now?19:26
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dtroyerok,  any other reviews?19:27
rtheisI'll add this one to the review list19:27
dtroyer#topic bugs19:28
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dtroyerHow about bugs that need attention?19:28
openstackrtheis: Error: malone bug 1543335 not found19:28
rtheisI think this is a security bug that is private19:29
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dtroyerit is, the question is who determines the default interface to use in that case?19:30
dtroyercould be ksc?19:30
dtroyeralso, we don't have security bugs in this fashion normally because there is nothing that OSC does that can'tbe done with curl19:31
rtheisI wanted to run it by stevemar  too19:31
dtroyerAPI-wise anyway19:31
rtheismaybe filed against wrong project19:31
dtroyerwell, it's logical to start with the thing you are using…we need to decide if it's OSc or ksc chosing which interface to use19:32
dtroyerby default19:32
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dtroyerany other bugs?19:33
rtheisnothing else19:34
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dtroyer#topic open discussion19:35
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dtroyerWhat is on your minds?19:36
rtheishuman vs machine readable output:  and
openstackLaunchpad bug 1524624 in python-neutronclient "result should not be changed by column formatter when JSON/YAML format is specified" [Low,Won't fix] - Assigned to Akihiro Motoki (amotoki)19:36
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rtheissounds like cliff 2.0 has some features to address this19:36
rtheisI know we do a lot of formatting dicts and lists when showing or listing resources19:37
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dtroyerit does?  I just proposed a flag to cliff for marking formatters as machine-parsable or not19:37
dtroyerdid I miss something already there?19:37
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dtroyerI think we go ahead with Brandon's fix for now though…although that hard-coded table name is ugly19:38
dtroyeraaaaand…this is something that we should extend to all of the other areas we re-format returned data from the responses19:39
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dtroyerbut not yet…not with a hard-coded name in it19:39
rtheishow do we extend this ?  sorry I'm a little slow to catch up on this19:40
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dtroyermany other commands re-format returned dicts and lists for output to de-pythonize them19:41
rtheisdefine our formatters as not human readable?19:41
dtroyerthat is part a, yes19:41
dtroyerpart b is checling for machine-parsable in the commands themselves19:41
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rtheisshould I open a bug for this or blueprint?19:41
dtroyeryour choice.  if you want to make a list and track progress against it that is easier to do as a bp19:42
rtheiswe would need cliff 2.0 or later too?19:43
dtroyerwhenever my proposed review is merged and released, yes19:43
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rtheisok, I'll get a bp opened19:44
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navidpdtroyer, about ksa admin token class, it will return a token endpoint plugin_class at
navidpregardin the comment
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navidpor I make a mistake here ?19:45
dtroyermy point is simply that ksa doesn't have a class that does the right thing for us, we have to make it ourselves.19:46
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navidpdtroyer, ok got it19:46
dtroyerbecause we have existing behaviour that ksa doen't want to handle19:46
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rtheisOn a related note to output formatting ... ... is the osc output compatibility promise for column and field names only?19:47
dtroyerat one point (long ago) I said that there was no promise regarding output at all19:48
dtroyernow we can't go that far19:48
dtroyerI'm torn, but column names do get used in scripts, etc as -c arguments so we should at least make note of them19:49
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dtroyerok, if there isn't anything else, I'll close before stevemar comes and makes us listen to the Blue Jay's spring training woes19:50
rtheisnothing else19:50
MeganRI'm good - please close  :)19:50
rtheisI say go Twins19:50
dtroyerdo I have to send you a world series shirt too rtheis?19:51
dtroyerok, thanks everyone!19:52
rtheissure `87 or `91 world series would be awesome :)19:52
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bauzasnova meeting ?21:01
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mriedemis there a meeting today?21:02
markuszshould be21:02
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dansmithmah, can it21:02
mriedem#startmeeting nova21:02
openstackMeeting started Thu Mar  3 21:02:37 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mriedem. Information about MeetBot at
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'nova'21:02
mriedemdansmith: never!21:02
tonybbuit I have an open discussion item!21:02
mriedem#link agenda
tonybmriedem: +121:02
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mriedemreal mature21:03
mriedem#topic release status21:03
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mriedemMar 1-3, Mitaka-3 and feature freeze, Final release for client libraries, Soft String Freeze, etc.21:03
tonybdansmith: so talking then?21:03
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mriedem#link release schedule
dansmithtonyb: ouch21:03
bauzasso, m3 landed21:03
mriedemjohnthetubaguy was -2ing things today21:03
mriedemLooking out for release critical bugs, potential release blocker21:04
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mriedem#link release blocker bugs
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mriedemi think we have a few already21:04
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mriedem#link review focus list
tonyband add mitaka-backport-potential21:05
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mriedemnote new section "Mitaka-RC blockers" has a gerrit query for mitaka blocker patches21:05
bauzas has some RC blockers already21:05
mriedemstep off bro!21:05
mriedemyeah, i haven't seen that yet21:05
* bauzas yawms21:05
mriedemi was doing bug triage today though and there is at least one api regression it looks like21:05
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mriedemany questions on the release?21:06
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markusztonyb: mitaka-rc-potential21:06
tonybmarkusz: that too.21:06
mriedemmarkusz: yeah, that first21:06
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mriedemanything that doesn't make the rc becomes backport potential21:06
mriedem#topic bugs21:06
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markuszyeah, makes sense21:06
mriedem#link gate status
jaypipesgrr my Nova meeting calendar events are reversed still :(21:06
tonybmarkusz: I was thinking of bugs that we see now that aren't good for the RC stage but we want to land in mitaka once it's stable/mitaka21:06
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tonybjaypipes: use the one true ical :D21:07
mriedemso, gate status21:07
mriedemwe made the ceph job non-voting earlier in the week21:07
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mriedemthere was an updated librados package on 2/24 which made the failure rate on the ceph job jump to 25%21:07
tonybs/octiava/nova :(21:07
mriedemcan we school jay on how to use a calendar after the meeting pleasE?21:07
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mriedemjbernard is working on getting the ceph plugin job into the QA program21:08
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mriedemsince that uses upstream packages for trusty from ceph.org21:08
mriedemb/c apparently trusty 14.04 LTS is using an EOL branch for ceph packages21:08
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mriedemwhich is, not great21:08
dansmithnot just that,21:08
mriedemb/c we can't get fixes backported,21:08
dansmithbut EOL architecture apparentl;y21:09
mriedemjamespage and co are working on patching that librados package in 14.0421:09
mriedemso once that's done we can make the ceph job voting again, or make the plugin job voting, whichever comes first21:09
mriedemthat's the only gate news i have21:09
mriedem#link 3rd party ci status
mriedemi think hyper-v is back online now that live migration is fixed for them21:10
mriedemclaudiub|2: ^ right?21:10
mriedemi don't know of any other news there21:10
mriedemthere are a couple of critical bugs in the agenda21:10
mriedembut those should just be marked as rc potential21:10
claudiub|2thanks for the reviews.21:10
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mriedemand they are, just checked21:11
mriedemwe have a general reminder about bug skimming duty21:11
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mriedemthere were ~35 new bugs this morning when i started looking, i think that's down to around 20 now21:11
mriedemmost are invalid/garbage so it's not to ohard21:12
mriedem*too hard21:12
bauzasthanks for this21:12
mriedem#link stable branch status
mriedemnova is clearish21:12
auggythanks mriedem!21:12
mriedemthe only big news on stable for nova is that we have kilo unblocked now that lifeless relesaed fixtures 1.2.121:12
mriedemthanks to tonyb for pushing on that21:12
tonybmriedem: well you made it happen21:12
mriedem*we* made it happen :)21:13
mriedemcue sappy music21:13
markusztake a room21:13
auggythere's no ewe in we?21:13
mriedemre: liberty21:13
mriedem#link liberty reviews,n,z21:13
mriedemi've not done a great job on pushing for a liberty release, maybe next week21:13
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mriedembut we could use help on reviewing anything open for liberty, there isn't much21:14
mriedemand then hopefully cut a release soon21:14
mriedemlast thing on stable,21:14
mriedemif you're doing bug triage or reviewing a change for a bug fix and see that the bug was opened awhile back, or reported against what is now a stable branch,21:14
mriedemplease mark it as *-backport-potential21:14
mriedemor nominate for the stable release21:14
mriedemthe neutron team has been skimming merged changes each friday to see backport candidates, and i don't really feel like doing that,21:15
mriedembut it means we have to be better about identifying and taggings bugs when they are fixed or triaged21:15
markuszmriedem: ok, understood21:15
mriedemit helps the stable team see what can be backported21:15
auggymarkusz: should we maybe add a note about that to the bug docs?21:15
mriedemauggy: yeah, that would be helpful21:15
auggyi can take that as an action item21:15
mriedemsince we have a template21:15
mriedem#action auggy to update the nova bug template with a note about backport potential tagging21:15
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mriedemanything else for bugs?21:16
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mriedemskipping stuck reviews since there is nothing on the agenda21:16
mriedem#topic open discussion21:16
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mriedem1. Would like to help with the l18n team, we need a CPL:
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mriedem#help i18n team needs a nova liaison21:17
tonybWhat does that really mean for novw?21:17
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mriedemgood question21:17
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mriedemi guess it's detailed in
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mriedembasically, let the i18n team know when our string freeze is21:18
mriedemreview translation updates21:18
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mriedemit says it should be a core but i don't think that's necessary21:18
tonybokay, the core reviewer things is a bit limiting21:18
mriedemi don't think that's necessary21:18
mriedemwe don't require cores for other CPL things21:18
bauzasI don't see the need for a core21:19
mriedemthere is a ML thread on that, you could reply in kind21:19
mriedem'geez i would but i'm not a core so sorry!'21:19
mriedemmoving on21:19
mriedem2. (thomasem): Quick update on Libvirt/LXC gate effort21:19
bauzasthe only need would be for the zanata patches, but the CPL could just ping the cores21:19
mriedemthomasem isn't around21:20
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mriedemhe's been pung21:20
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mriedempanged is dirty21:20
mriedemthomasem: go21:20
thomasemEssentially, I'm back on it. Filed a bug here:
openstackLaunchpad bug 1552740 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Nova hard reboot fails to mount logical volume (LVM + libvirt-lxc)" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Thomas Maddox (thomas-maddox)21:21
thomasemfor one of the problems21:21
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thomasemI was pulled on to some other things recently, so didn't get back to looking at the libvirt lxc gate issues again until this week. So, more progress to come.21:21
mriedemthomasem: i saw you noted that ubuntu kernel bug in there21:21
mriedemthomasem: is it less of a problem with a newer kernl?21:21
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thomasemAble to recreate some of these issues in devstack, though it's still kind of hacky.21:21
thomasemmriedem: yeah, I haven't seen it on another kernel. I was going to start testing with some newer kernels next21:22
thomasemTo see if it's a kernel problem, libvirt problem, etc.21:22
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mriedemthomasem: ok21:22
mriedemcould also try a fedora job....but that might have problems of it's own21:23
mriedembut it would be much newer libvirt21:23
thomasemYeah, Dimitry is helping me out with testing on CoreOS, may try Fedora next.21:23
thomasemSorry, CentOS21:23
thomasemnot CoreOS21:23
thomasemGot containers on the mind.21:23
tonybwhich libvirt version?21:23
mriedemok, well thanks for pusuing this21:23
thomasemAnyway, more to come. Just wanted y'all to know I'm still looking @ it.21:23
thomasemAnd that I _do_ very much care about fixing it. Just taking a long time since it's a bit more complicated.21:24
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mriedemyes, it sounds like it certainly does suck21:24
thomasemAnd so on... prod isues, like the one I'm in the middle of right now. :)21:24
mriedemso thanks for taking that bullet21:24
thomasemYou bet!21:24
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mriedemlast item21:24
mriedem3. (tonyb) Testing bleeding-edge libvirt in the gate status and call for help21:24
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tonybSo markusz and I have a devstack plugin that will install the UCA version of libviert and qemu21:25
mriedemdidn't markusz agree to help at the mid cycle?21:25
tonybin order to add that to the gate it needs to be on git.o.o21:25
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tonybwhat I need to know is shoudl this start of as a nove "deliverable"21:25
markuszyep, I can work on that tomorrow (finally)21:25
mriedemmaybe you two should get a room21:26
tonyband can I get a potential core team21:26
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tonybmarkusz: and I is a little sparse21:26
mriedemthis has to be in the compute program?21:26
tonybmriedem: no21:26
tonybit can go anywhere21:26
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bauzasit doesn't need to be an official project, right?21:27
tonybQA would be my first choice but I wanted to discuss it here to come up with a plan that will work21:27
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bauzasI mean, not in the projects.yaml21:27
tonybbauzas: It seems it does :/21:27
mriedemso, the ceph plugin is a thing21:27
mriedemthat we use in the gate21:27
mriedemi'd try to follow what they did21:27
mriedemor need to do21:27
bauzasjust adding the project to openstack doesn't mean you need to have it in the big tent21:27
tonybbauzas: Ahh no but it does need to be in project-config/*21:27
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bauzastonyb: you can have a project in project-config and not in the big tent, you knoxwx21:28
mriedemthere was talk an hour or so ago in -infra about the ceph plugin being part of the QA program21:28
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tonybmriedem: Ah okay I'll read the scroolback21:28
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mriedemi honestly don't know what's needed,21:28
mriedembut it sounds like we should at least talk to mtreinish21:28
tonybbauzas: sure but it needs a core team so I'm here askign for help :)21:28
tonybmriedem: okay I'll ping him21:28
mriedemit's a separate repo right?21:29
bauzasso, that's pretty old but
tonybmriedem: yeah21:29
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tonybbauzas: yeah that's out of date :(21:29
bauzas^ that is how to add a new project not really in the big tent21:29
mriedemoh, i think sdague brought something up about that in the infra channel about the ceph plugin21:29
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mriedembasically devstack core team has core on the ceph plugin21:29
mriedemand it would be in the QA program21:29
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bauzastonyb: you can create your own team and still not be in projects.yaml21:29
mriedemtonyb: so, let's talk to sdague and mtreinish21:30
dimstonyb mriedem : all enable_plugin(s) i see in project-config seem to be on our git -
bauzasno really need to ask for it IMHO21:30
tonybmriedem: I was hoping sdague woudl be here ;P21:30
mriedemtonyb: i'm sure danpb would probably be on board as a core for this21:30
mriedemsdague dropped a smoke bomb and vanished about an hour ago21:30
bauzastonyb: see for example the blazar project as a (defunct) example21:30
mriedemyeah, i'm not sure why we couldn't have a devstack plugin in tree either21:30
mriedema bunch of projects do that21:30
tonybmriedem: markusz thought of that21:31
dimsmriedem : because you are limited to just one plugin21:31
tonybmriedem: the plugin is generic enough to be of use to neutron21:31
dimsyou can't have more than one21:31
tonybto adding it to nova seems like a bad idea21:31
mriedemhuh, weird21:31
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tonybI think markusz and I have a plan21:32
markuszdun dun duuuuun21:32
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mriedemwell, idk, you could always start in tree, get it working and then split it out for others to use21:32
bauzastonyb: honestly, I just think that you should just create your project and add CI jobs without really thinking about which service to be within21:32
tonybbauzas: right21:32
tonybbauzas: that's what I'm doing21:32
tonybbauzas: I was just trying to find a coer team >221:32
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bauzastonyb: heh, that's another concern :)21:33
tonybbauzas: I just [hrased the opening statement badly21:33
mriedemi can't be core on a devstack repo, so kind of a non-starter21:33
bauzastonyb: I was thinking you were asking how to create a new projectr21:33
dimstonyb : start with you, when someone shows up with a patch, add them in :)21:33
mriedemget the devstack core team to grandfather it in21:33
Vekheh :)21:33
mriedemanyway, we should sort this out after the meeting21:33
mriedemand it's kind of moot w/o sdague21:34
mriedem#action tonyb to talk to sdague about a libvirt devstack plugin thing + core team21:34
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mriedemsound good?21:34
mriedemok, any other open discussion items?21:35
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mriedemalright, let's end it21:35
mriedemthanks everyone21:35
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armaxhi there21:59
armaxit looks like mestery, carl_baldwin and dougwig won’t be making to the drivers meeting21:59
armaxamotoki doesn’t look to be around22:00
ihrachys_bring on the apocalypse22:00
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armaxso it’s looks like it’s just me, HenryG and kevinbenton to the party22:00
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armaxso the options are two22:00
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armaxwe either have it and talk postmortem22:00
armaxor we go back to hacking22:00
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armaxI leave the choice to the crowd22:00
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armaxif there’s any22:01
* jschwarz has an agenda to push so I'm for the first option22:01
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armaxjschwarz: you can always take the offline route22:01
jschwarzI don't mind if we can have a short one (it's 1 after midnight)22:01
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jschwarzaye, but what's the fun in that armax? ;-)22:01
armaxjschwarz: that’s right! go to sleep man!22:01
jschwarzI filed an RFE - we can discuss it offline if you want22:02
kevinbentonlet's have the meeting22:02
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armaxHenryG: ping22:02
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armax#startmeeting neutron_drivers22:02
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armaxhello folks, so today22:03
armaxbeing in the middle of feature freeze week22:04
armaxI’d rather focus on what we have pending inflight rather than talk about proposed RFE's22:04
armaxfor those of you who thinks there’s an urgency to the matter, consider filing them as release blockers and target RC1 for the wider team’s attention22:04
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armaxbut do not abuse :)22:05
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armaxwe should switch gear now and ensure that we release something rock-solid22:06
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HenryGAre we going to set milestone tags on the alembic branches this release? Or are we going to stop doing that?22:06
armaxPlease have a look at a couple of reminders I sent out22:06
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armaxHenryG: I think so, but I’d defer the answer to ihrachys22:07
ihrachys_sorry my net is flacky. what's the question22:07
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HenryGihrachys_: Are we going to set milestone tags on the alembic branches this release? Or are we going to stop doing that?22:07
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kevinbentonugh, reading assignmenets!?!?22:07
armaxkevinbenton: ?22:08
kevinbentonarmax: the email links :)22:08
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armaxoh yes22:08
armaxkevinbenton: reading assignments!22:08
ihrachys_HenryG: yeah, I guess we want it indeed so that you can refer release by name22:08
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armaxihrachys: I suppose we have to do the marking as soon as Newton opens up22:09
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armaxHenryG, ihrachys: right?22:09
HenryGarmax: actually, it must go in with the mitaka final release22:10
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ihrachys_armax: I think before final. honestly, I need to wrap up my head again to reason about it. I lost context there somewhat.22:10
amotokiwe did it just before the release.22:10
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HenryGThe problem is external projects. Several don't do it, so their branches aren't tagged.22:11
ihrachys_ok right. we need to define neutron_milestone tags before final.22:11
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armaxso, this is something for rc1?22:11
armaxlet’s file a bug and target it for rc122:11
HenryGI'll do that22:11
armaxgo HenryG22:12
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ihrachys_HenryG: can we maybe enforce failure when milestone used but not every project has it?22:12
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HenryGihrachys_: TBH, I don't know when or how these tags are used in reality, which makes it hard for me to decide such a thing22:13
armaxihrachys_: let’s take this offline22:13
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ihrachys_ok let's have it discussed in the bug HenryG will report22:14
HenryGihrachys_: ack22:14
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armaxgood point though22:14
armaxevery cycle we risk to forget to do this22:14
ihrachys_if we have some release docs, we may need to update them22:15
armaxihrachys_: to document this trick you mean?22:15
ihrachys_I will take a look at it tomorrow. we may [want to] have some step by step pre-release guide for PTL/drivers22:15
armaxihrachys_: that’ll be great22:15
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armaxI am going to document the postmortem proposal I put together in the last day or two22:16
armaxyou reminded me about that22:16
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armaxin fact, let me jump right into that, as we are in feature freeze and folks may wonder what to do for the stuff that’s in flight but not landed completed yet22:17
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armaxI put a patch up for review in the specs repo:
armaxthat captures blueprints/RFE’s for the Mitaka release cycle22:18
armaxconsider it a collective sign-off22:18
armaxif you see your name in there, please comment and provide input/status updates22:18
armaxif you don’t see something that should be there, comment nonetheless22:18
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armaxbased on the exent of what’s left to do, you may be granted or denied a FFE22:19
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armaxif you’re denied a FFE, but still think there’s a need to get something merged, file a bug that covers only the part you’re willing to merge for Mitaka and target it for RC122:20
armaxif a bug is already filed, target it for RC1 and we’ll look at it22:20
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armaxremember that docs are key to a successful adoption of the work you so hard sweat for22:21
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armaxso write docs, from devref to user content for the networking guide22:22
armaxany questions?22:22
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ihrachys_all clear22:23
kevinbentonso all FFE discussion is happenon on the post mortem review?22:23
armaxI’d like so, this way there’s total transparancy and traceability of the discussion22:23
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armaxany other question?22:24
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HenryGno questions, I like it22:25
armaxif not, let’s take the next few minutes to talk about somethign I wanted to mention for a while22:25
armaxI may or may not be the next PTL22:25
armaxif I am, I’d like to have a better balance between features and stability/usability improvements in Netwon22:26
armaxif I am not, then I don’t care :)22:26
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armaxwhat I mean, is that we’d need to emphasize effort on stuff that didn’t succeed in Mitaka22:27
armaxand we’ll probably only take a handful of new features22:27
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HenryGYou risk being viewed as a tyrant :)22:28
ihrachys_I will support you depending on whether my features are in :P22:28
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armaxwell, use your vote with judgement is all I can tell you :)22:28
armaxon the other end, I’d like to draw a line in the sand and stop allowing orchestration-like requests22:28
ihrachys_jokes apart, I am fine with stricter approach for a cycle.22:28
kevinbentonno campaign speeches during office!22:29
armaxget-me-a-network, cascade-delete were probably the last ones to be allowed22:29
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armaxkevinbenton: I am not campaigning!22:29
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armaxkevinbenton: I am writing my will!22:29
kevinbentonwe're going to make Neutron great again22:29
kevinbentonarmax: how do you draw the line for orchestration?22:30
armaxkevinbenton: when was it great, just idle curiosity?22:30
armaxkevinbenton: no more!22:30
armaxkevinbenton: eg. this one:
openstackLaunchpad bug 1552631 in neutron "[RFE] Bulk Floating IP allocation" [Undecided,New]22:30
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armaxkevinbenton: I know we have a weird bulk support in the api22:31
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kevinbentonarmax: right22:31
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armaxbut honestly, I don’t trust it at all22:31
kevinbentonarmax: does L3 HA count as orchestration?22:31
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armaxkevinbenton: I said, let’s draw a line22:31
kevinbentonarmax: i ask because we have some resources that depend on creating subresources22:31
armaxkevinbenton: the past is the past :)22:31
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kevinbentonarmax: no, i just mean would l3 ha count as orchestration if it was proposed now22:32
armaxkevinbenton: probably not22:32
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kevinbentonarmax: so some stuff is obviously 'orchestratish'22:32
armaxkevinbenton: it’s built on top of existing building blocks, but in itself is something that you can’t easily build with those building blocks alone22:32
kevinbentonarmax: so maybe the litmus test is that if creating one thing requires the creation of many things, that's okay?22:33
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armaxI’d say we should ask ourselves the question as to whether we can build richer abstraction on top of the existing API without crossing the boundary22:34
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armaxsome stuff may be in a grey area and we’ll use judgement on a case by case basis22:36
kevinbentonsounds good22:36
armaxbut some are easily assessed22:36
kevinbentonjust checking to see if you had something specific in mind22:36
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amotokifor example does bulk support like the above violate the line?22:38
armaxamotoki: I would like to say yet22:38
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amotokiyeah it depends how many api calls we need to somethign22:39
armaxthis can be debated for many hours22:39
armaxbut the roundtrip is hardly where the bottleneck lies22:39
amotokiif it requires tens of API calls it might be worth considered but agree in this case22:40
haleybarmax: we have customers that want to allocate contiguous FIPs, so you seem to have found a topic of interest :)22:40
armaxas I said, we can use judgement, but we should be stricter to what we are going to allow from here on out22:40
kevinbentonhaleyb: are they admin?22:40
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kevinbentonhaleyb: if so, they can specify the floating address they want22:41
kevinbentonif not, too bad, so sad :)22:41
haleybkevinbenton: no, they just want them contiguous for SG reasons22:41
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armaxhaleyb: I think that’s a bad idea22:41
* haleyb doesn't want to derail, just inform what he's heard22:41
armaxhaleyb: what’s the reason for needing the IP’s to be contiguous?22:41
kevinbentoni imagine so they can do allow rules based on prefix or something?22:42
haleybarmax: one SG call, for say a /29 or /2822:42
kevinbentonhaleyb: can't they use the feature of security groups to just allow from that security group?22:42
kevinbentonhaleyb: instead of based on IPs?22:42
haleybcustomers are weird is my only answer22:43
armaxhaleyb: I don’t want to say yes to weird requests22:43
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kevinbentonhmm, maybe there is a usability thing we can improve here22:43
armaxbut we can discuss in more details when we see this show up on our radar22:43
kevinbentonif we can make floating IPs part of a security group, then they could do this with security groups22:43
haleybpeople want to think they own something, and a /2X is something22:43
kevinbentoneven a bulk floating IP allocate couldn't guaruntee a contiguous block22:45
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kevinbentonbecause it might race with another request22:45
armaxkevinbenton: nop indeed22:45
armaxkevinbenton: besides the point here is22:45
armaxin order to gain something you may have to give up something else22:46
salv-orlandohaleyb: if customers like that - then tell them they can't use the broadcast and network address of that slice ;)22:46
armaxyou can’t have it all22:46
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armaxso some discussions become educational22:46
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armaxas to why certain things shouldn’t be done for the side effect they cause22:47
haleyband maybe things like this are extensions that people enable in their own private clouds...22:47
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armaxwe’re getting closer to the top of the hour22:47
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armaxif there’s nothing else to cover, I give you all ~10 mins back, we’ll resume the usual drivers schedule from next week22:48
kevinbentonarmax for president 2012!22:49
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