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qwebirc90633Help required Openstack neutron04:55
qwebirc90633IP is not getting assigned to OpenStack VM instance interface04:56
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reedipqwebirc90633: better put up your queries on the IRC Channel #openstack-neutron05:03
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qwebirc90633ok thanks05:07
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skraynev#startmeeting Heat07:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Mar  2 07:00:04 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is skraynev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.07:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.07:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Heat)"07:00
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'heat'07:00
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ochuprykovhi07:01
KanagarajMhi07:01
ricolino/07:01
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skraynevhi folks :)07:01
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skraynev#topic Adding items to agenda07:02
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skraynev#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282016-03-02_0700_UTC.2907:02
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skraynevany suggestions?07:03
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skraynevok.07:05
skraynev#topic heatclient 1.0.0 release07:05
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skraynevAccording this etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-support-python-openstackclient07:06
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skraynevthere are three patches, that will be good to merge. So please review them.07:06
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skraynevI plan to post 1.0.0 release tag, when all these patches are landed07:07
skraynevshardy KanagarajM ricolin tiantian ^07:07
tiantiansure, will have a look:)07:07
ricolinon it07:07
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KanagarajMmorning i have looked at +2 most of them.07:08
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pas-hao/07:09
skraynevYeah. I have seen ;)07:09
skraynevpas-ha: welcome ;) nice to see you07:09
skraynev#topic M3 status07:09
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ricolin16 hours to go07:10
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skraynevafter looking on status for patches https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/sfc-heat07:11
shardyhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1539069 looks like it should probably be marked as not affecting heat instead of wont fix?07:11
openstackLaunchpad bug 1539069 in Aodh "CeilometerAlarmTest is failing intermittently" [High,Fix released] - Assigned to Julien Danjou (jdanjou)07:11
shardyit's a bit confusing saying we won't fix an issue with our own tests ;)07:12
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ricolin+107:12
ramishrahi all07:13
skraynevI think, that it's very risky to wait this BP. Also LBaAS v2 mostly is merged, but I'd like to see release notes for it plus functional test. So I think it may some kind of FFE, because the main part of code is merged07:13
skraynevshardy: ok. could you please set the coirrect status?07:13
skraynev*correct07:13
skraynevI had a doubts when set it.07:13
skraynevramishra: hi.07:13
shardyskraynev: sure, done!07:14
skraynevshardy: thx ;)07:14
ramishrasorry I'm little late07:14
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skraynevramishra: np. you did not miss something important07:17
shardyThere are a lot of triaged/confirmed bugs which are medium, I guess we can start bumping those not in-progress to RC1?07:17
skraynevshardy: yeah. You read my thoughts :)07:17
skraynevI wanted to ask; is it ok to move the not Inprogress bugs to Rc107:18
skraynevand also other In Progress ,which is not merged till todays evening07:18
ramishraskraynev: for sfc-heat, I don't see a spec, is the bp approved? Did we agree to introduce new resource plugins using spec-lite rather than full spec?07:19
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ramishraor no spec;)07:19
skraynevramishra: it has not spec in Heat, Mohankumar told, that he did not do it, because he Mentioned neutron spec.07:20
skraynevI asked him to do it, but I am not sure, what he decided about it07:20
shardyskraynev: we need to evaluate each of the high in-progress bugs to check which are important enough to block m3 on, then bump everything else to RC107:20
shardywe've got 46 not-landed bugs, so we'll have to bump a lot of them I think ;)07:21
stevebakerhi, sorry I'm late07:22
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shardyhey stevebaker07:22
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skraynevstevebaker: hey. we already discussed heatclient. there are 3 patches on review with one +2. and I think, when they be merged I will propose 1.0.007:23
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skraynevshardy: agree.07:23
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stevebakerskraynev: releasing on those 3 sounds good07:23
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stevebakerreviews on the High bugs in m-3 would be good07:25
skraynevstevebaker: shardy: I have moved most part of bugs to rc107:28
skraynevfuh... not it looks better ;)07:28
stevebakerheh, its not so bad ;)07:29
shardyheh, nice :)07:29
ricolincheers!07:30
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ramishrawhat about some convergence High bugs, can we not move them to RC1 too or we want them to be fixed in m3? some have patches  with merge conflicts.07:31
skraynevI think, that we have time before the todays evening , i.e. Wed 17.00 UTC07:31
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skraynevI think, that I will propose m3 near of this time07:32
skraynevramishra: if patches are in merge conflict - then we need to move to rc1, because imo it may take more time for fixing/re-review/merging07:33
skraynevramishra: could you please move such bugs?07:33
tiantianhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1533074 about this bug, only need to approve the patch for backport to liberty07:34
openstackLaunchpad bug 1533074 in heat "Can't create nova server with subnet and fixed_ip" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to huangtianhua (huangtianhua)07:34
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tiantianhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/274307/07:36
ramishrashardy: can we move this https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1528958 to RC1?07:36
openstackLaunchpad bug 1528958 in heat "SoftwareDeployments -> SoftwareDeploymentGroup update is destructive" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Rico Lin (rico-lin)07:36
skraynevtiantian: hm.. IMO it should be Fix released already. if it's merged in master07:36
shardyramishra: Yes, although I'd like to see it fixed before we cut the RC if possible07:37
shardyIIRC ricolin has a patch up already07:37
skraynevtiantian: +A, also I have updated status for bug. thx07:38
ricolintrue07:38
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shardywithout that it's impossible to move away from the deprecated SoftwareDeployments name, and I'd like to change all the names in the tripleo-heat-templates to non-deprecated ones07:38
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skraynevramishra: let's try to review it during today07:38
ricolinskraynev: there is actually four patchs need to be merge in OSC bp07:39
skraynevricolin: hm... I am not sure, because the main patches are mentioned here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-support-python-openstackclient07:40
ricolincheck the end of that file:)07:40
ricolinopenstack orchestration service list : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/285909/07:41
ricolinfour!07:41
ricolin:)07:41
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skraynevricolin: lol. it's bonus07:44
skraynevwhy is it at the end of list ?!07:44
skraynev#topic Open discussion07:44
stevebakerricolin: its done, anything else now is a bonus07:44
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ricolinlol07:45
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skraynevSo plan to bump m3 todays or tomorrow early morning (depends on rate of review in releases repo)07:47
skraynevsame for 1.0.007:47
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stevebaker+107:48
ricolin+1:)07:48
skraynevif you have any suggestions/questions, please do it now or to be silent forever ;)07:48
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shardy+107:50
skraynevnice.07:52
skraynevif we have not something else ,I suggest to finish and go to review remains patches ;)07:53
shardy+107:53
ricolin+1!07:53
skraynevok ;)07:54
skraynev#endmeeting07:54
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skraynevthank you all07:54
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shardy /window 2309:09
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BobBall#startmeeting XenAPI09:31
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openstackMeeting started Wed Mar  2 09:31:00 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is BobBall. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.09:31
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.09:31
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'xenapi'09:31
BobBalljohnthetubaguy, huanxie, jianghuaw ping09:31
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BobBallMorning / afternoon everyone09:31
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huanxiehello BobBall09:31
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huanxieHello johnthetubaguy09:31
BobBall#topic Blueprints / reviews09:31
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BobBallSo - johnthetubaguy - is it time to start reviewing specs for Newton yet? :)09:32
jianghuawjohnthetubaguy and Bob: Good morning.09:32
BobBallWe've got a few specs already up for review09:32
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huazhihaoGood morning John and Bob09:33
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BobBallGood afternoon all :)09:33
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BobBallJust waiting for johnthetubaguy to realise he's in here :)09:34
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johnthetubaguyyeah, I am running around for mitaka-3 right now09:35
BobBallWho has specs / BPs ready for review in Newton?  Could you add the links here?09:35
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BobBallAh - do you want to postpone this meeting for 1 week perhaps johnthetubaguy ?09:36
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BobBallI know it's normally fortnightly, but we can move this meeting to the same time next week so you can focus on the release critical fun09:36
jianghuawlink: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/274045/09:36
jianghuawthis spec is for " Xenapi: a new VDI store via streaming"09:36
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johnthetubaguyBobBall: just ping me for things where you need me09:37
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BobBalljohnthetubaguy: Pretty much all of this meeting is where we need input from you, since we have daily sync ups within the team.09:38
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BobBallI'll postpone for 1 week and send out a new invitation.09:38
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johnthetubaguywell, you can keep going, with slightly delayed responses, if that helps09:39
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huazhihaoI got another vhd BP https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/bare-vhd-image09:40
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BobBallI think it's best if we let you focus on the release johnthetubaguy - but thanks.09:40
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BobBallanything urgent to raise huazhihao, jianghuaw or huanxie?09:40
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huazhihaoI am totally fine09:41
johnthetubaguyfor new specs, next week is probably better09:41
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huanxieBobBall and johnthetubaguy, I have modified the nova/neutron race condition according to your comments https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241127/, please help have a review when you are available09:42
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BobBallthanks huanxie - I will review today.09:42
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BobBallLet's close here then09:43
BobBallWill see if we can have a meeting in 1 week's time (rather than a fortnight)09:43
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BobBall#endmeeting09:43
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rluethiping dguitarbite10:30
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dguitarbiteping10:32
dguitarbiteCan you host the meeting?10:32
dguitarbiterluethi: ??10:33
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dguitarbite#startmeeting training-labs10:34
openstackMeeting started Wed Mar  2 10:34:04 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is dguitarbite. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.10:34
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.10:34
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: training-labs)"10:34
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'training_labs'10:34
dguitarbiteHello guys, roll call.10:34
julenHi guys10:34
rluethisorry, I am getting distracted.10:34
rluethihere (for now)10:34
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dguitarbitehello10:35
dguitarbiterluethi: no worries :)10:35
rluethihi jule10:35
rluethihi julen10:35
dguitarbite#topic tarballs and website10:35
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dguitarbite#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/281721/10:36
dguitarbiteThis one is important change which needs to get merged first. This patch allows us to publish required tarballs10:36
rluethiAnything missing for it to move forward?10:36
dguitarbiteNot from our side. The patch is correct, builds are passing and I got a thumbs up from Andreas. They are waiting to get consensus from their core team.10:37
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dguitarbiteOur goal is to get this merged at-least 1-2 weeks prior to the summit. In case we have to give the talks, I would personally like people to be able to check the webpage for training-labs and the tarballs.10:39
julenone question about the website... rluethi proposed to include that "flow chart" into the website. How could I do it?10:39
rluethiIf there is a lack of consensus on their core team, is there anything we can provide to help them with the decision?10:39
dguitarbiteNot yet. I was being told that its just a matter of following their policy and the patch should be in as soon as they have a discussion about the same.10:39
dguitarbitejulen: I dont understand "flow chart"10:39
rluethijulen: you can do it in text or make a graph. Whatever you find useful. Preferably in a format that is easy to view and update.10:40
julenaha... so, just embed it within the current website, right?10:40
julendguitarbite, the "flow chart", so, some kind of schema which explains which parts are getting executed during a default run10:41
dguitarbitejulen: We could discuss this on the docs channel. I would prefer this to go into the documentation : docs folder under training-labs10:42
julensomething like: get args, install base, generate virtual networks, ...10:42
rluethijulen: yes, the wiki is easy to change for anyone.10:42
julenaha, sure10:42
rluethijulen: you can make a separate subpage for it.10:42
julengood10:42
dguitarbiteWiki sounds like a better idea for this! Since the webpage is not exactly under our control and its better to keep it short and simple in there :).10:43
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dguitarbiteOk, moving on. What should be the next topic?10:44
rluethipatches under review is always a favorite10:45
dguitarbiteAlright10:45
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dguitarbite#topic current-patches10:45
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dguitarbite#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/training-labs+status:open10:45
dguitarbiteSo apart from the i386 patch, I have tested them once, read the code and from my side it looks good to me.10:46
dguitarbitejulen: You can start reviewing the patches too :) Also a great way to start learning and getting more familiar with training-labs10:46
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rluethii386 is not quite ready yet, but I will remove the -2 soonish, I hope.10:48
julensure! I tried, but I didn't know how to proceed10:48
rluethijulen: basically, try the patch, read the code, comment on anything that you find.10:48
julenbut how do I mark it as "OK"10:49
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rluethijulen: you need a user on the side. do you have a login?10:49
julenyes10:49
rluethiof course, you already posted a patch. silly me.10:49
dguitarbiterluethi: yes he does, he sent the very first patch :)10:49
julen:)10:50
dguitarbite#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286894/10:50
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dguitarbitejulen: If you click on the reply button, you will get a message box and see two sections below the msg box10:50
dguitarbiteCode-Review and Workflow10:50
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dguitarbiteCode-Review +1/0/-1 :: Looks good to me/Abstaining or Just commenting/ Needs some fixes (ofcourse mentioning the reason for -1 is ideal)10:51
rluethimentioning the reason for -1 is _required_.10:52
dguitarbiteWorkflow is for getting the status of current work. Workflow -1 may be to say that you want to work more or there is a dependency etc.10:52
dguitarbiterluethi: Not sure if it is enforced by Gerrit but in general its always nice to explicitly clarify why you want to give a -110:52
rluethiI require it :).10:52
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rluethiHow are you supposed to fix something if someone doesn't explain their -1?10:53
dguitarbiterluethi: Yes, I will make sure I give -1 and -2 with __required hidden so you need to make an explicit call ;)10:53
dguitarbiterluethi: I agree with you. But on gerrit you can always give -1/-2 without a comment. Which may be a bit sad though.10:53
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rluethijulenl: don't worry, just try it out, nobody will bite your head off. you'll get the hang of it quickly.10:55
dguitarbiterluethi: +110:55
dguitarbitejulen: I hope I did not scare you or confuse you.10:55
julensure not :P10:56
julenI will try to learn about that later10:56
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dguitarbiterluethi: Whats your take on the current open reviews10:57
rluethiSome are dependencies. I need them to be able to feed further patches into the queue.10:58
rluethi(because I don't like patch stacks on gerrit)10:58
dguitarbiterluethi: I understand. I reviewed all of them :)10:58
rluethithey still need workflow.11:00
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dguitarbiterluethi: Ohh, I am waiting for your +2's remember that we agreed to do 2 +2's?11:01
dguitarbiteor I should not wait for that?11:01
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rluethiI added them.11:03
rluethii will try to review julen's patch tonight.11:03
dguitarbiteOhh, I merged his patch. Its changing the readme.11:04
julenit was just to add the actual command. When I used osbash for the first time I had to find it out from your presentation...11:05
rluethiAt first glance, it seemed to remove a colon that might have been needed. I didn't have time to check.11:05
dguitarbiteThe indent is more important for code blocks but you may be right about ::'s11:06
julenaha! I thought that colon was a typo...11:07
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dguitarbiteSo the double colon is for multi-line code blocks to respect the line breaks. We dont need it for the current entries are just one liners.11:08
dguitarbiteMove on?11:08
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rluethigo ahead11:08
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dguitarbite#any other buisness11:08
* dguitarbite should hang himself11:08
dguitarbite#topic any_other_buiz11:08
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dguitarbiteAnything else that we should think/talk about?11:09
rluethiI'm good.11:09
rluethiLet's keep in touch.11:09
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dguitarbiteYes, I shall have a lot more time for the next two months at least.11:10
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dguitarbiteSee you next week. Nice seeing you all here :). And julen welcome to our team :).11:10
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rluethiyup. see you all soon.11:11
dguitarbite#end-meeting11:11
julenthanks! see you..11:11
dguitarbite#end meeting11:11
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dguitarbite#endmeeting11:12
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zhiyuanhi joe, before the meeting, i just would like to talk something about the security group12:54
joehuanghi,zhiyuan12:55
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joehuangpls12:55
zhiyuanas yili said, remote_group_id is directly used now12:55
zhiyuanif two networks are attached to the same router, l2 proxy will create the remote port12:55
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zhiyuanin each pod12:56
joehuangyes, but I think in real case, maybe only "default"12:56
joehuangwe can check to see the remote group id used in production12:56
zhiyuanyeah, but it's a bit weird that even though the network doesn't across pods, the remote port is created12:57
joehuanghas to do so for the SEG12:57
zhiyuanthan network, subnet also needs to be created12:58
zhiyuans/than/then12:58
joehuangsomething waste, but have to do so12:58
zhiyuanok, what about Tricircle? when to implement like that?12:59
zhiyuanafter we support cross-pod L2?12:59
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joehuangwe can discuss with yili, about is there any other remote group id used12:59
zhiyuanok12:59
joehuangI think current implementation is ok12:59
joehuangin Tricircle13:00
zhiyuanfine, so let's come back to our weekly meeting13:00
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joehuangok13:00
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joehuang#startmeeting tricircle13:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Mar  2 13:00:52 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is joehuang. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.13:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.13:00
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Pengfeihello joehuang and zhiyuan13:01
joehuangok, it works today13:01
joehuanghi pengfei13:01
zhiyuanhi pengfei13:01
Yipeihi all13:01
joehuanghi yipei13:01
joehuang#topic rollcall13:01
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joehuang#info joehuang13:02
zhiyuan#info zhiyuan13:02
Pengfeithanks for your support! and the L3 cross pod works!13:02
Yipei#info Yipei13:02
Pengfei#info Pengfei13:02
joehuanggreat, it's a quite good news, you can play it now13:02
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zhiyuancool!13:03
Pengfeithe virtualbox promiscous mode need to reboot, so after reboot and re stack.sh it works13:03
joehuangthe virtualbox is running in server or desktop13:03
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Pengfeiin server13:04
Pengfeiusing x11 to connect13:04
joehuangLinux based13:04
Pengfeiubuntu 14.0413:04
joehuangor windows based13:04
joehuangok13:04
joehuangit's a good idea to use virtual box to setup two nodes environment13:05
zhiyuanvirtualbox is free and easy to install, so good to hear that Tricircle can be depolyed on virtualbox13:05
Pengfeihia,hia~13:05
joehuangcould you write a blog to have a summary of such an installation story13:05
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Pengfeibingo!13:05
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zhiyuanand then add a link in our wiki and readme13:06
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joehuang#action summary of two nodes installation in virtualbox13:06
joehuanghi, xiaojie13:06
xuxiaojiehi13:06
joehuangcould you have a short introduction13:07
PengfeiNo problems! and I will also implement the verify_cross_pod_install.sh13:07
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Pengfeihi~13:07
joehuanggood !13:07
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joehuangZhiyuan has submitted two SEG patches, please review the patches13:08
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Pengfeiwhat's your develop environment? VMs or native servers?13:09
joehuangvms running above ESXi, managed by vCenter13:09
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joehuangand I also submitted the quota-set patch, your comment pls13:09
zhiyuancoding on PC, then upload to server to test13:09
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Pengfeii see.13:10
joehuanglet's look at the agenda of today13:11
joehuang1. Progress of To-do list review: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/TricircleToDo13:11
joehuangand just have a short summary of the progress for zhiyuan and mine13:12
joehuangPengfei finished the installation13:12
joehuanghow about Yipei?13:12
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Yipeii still try to fix the bug of devstack, by the way, i find another bug of devstack13:12
joehuanginteresting13:12
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Yipei#link https://github.com/openstack-dev/devstack/commit/29f1ebb6885c22e94a225ba16a268aa26f60131c13:13
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joehuangdo you use clean os to install devstack13:13
Yipeiyes13:13
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joehuangthe link is not accessible13:14
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zhiyuancan access under vpn13:14
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joehuangok, you can report this bug to devstack13:15
Yipeiok13:15
zhiyuanyipei, according to the patch, entry point is used, maybe you can update your nova code and try again13:15
joehuanghi haixia13:15
Yipeiok13:15
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joehuangok, Yipei, go on please13:16
zhiyuanyipei, you can check the "setup.cfg" file in your nova folder, to see if filter_scheduler is defined13:16
Yipeiok13:16
joehuangentry_point section?13:17
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Yipeino, it is not defined13:17
zhiyuanyes, if filter_scheduler is defined, can use it for shourt13:17
zhiyuans/shourt/short13:17
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Yipeiin which section? entry_point section?13:18
joehuangok13:18
joehuangI think so13:18
zhiyuanoh yes, it's defined in the latest nova code13:18
zhiyuancheck https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/setup.cfg13:19
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zhiyuan filter_scheduler = nova.scheduler.filter_scheduler:FilterScheduler13:19
zhiyuanLn 19613:19
Pengfeijust now, i find http://docs.openstack.org/developer/tricircle is 404...13:19
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joehuangHi, pengfei you are write, no doc yet13:20
joehuangsorry right13:20
zhiyuanhttps://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Tricircle link for wiki13:20
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Pengfeiok~13:21
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Yipeii see13:21
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joehuangYipei, please continue your installation and discuss issue in #openstack-tricircle if needed13:21
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Yipeiok13:21
joehuangnext topic is reliable async.  job13:22
joehuang#topic reliable async. job13:22
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joehuanghi, zhiyuan, pls13:22
zhiyuani have written a proposal in our design doc(hosted by google doc)13:23
joehuang#link https://docs.google.com/document/d/18kZZ1snMOCD9IQvUKI5NVDzSASpw-QKj7l2zNqMEd3g/edit13:23
zhiyuanthe brief idea is to save job entry in database, and each time only one worker is allowed to operate one specific resource13:24
joehuangaddress race condition by DB record level lock13:25
zhiyuanyes, other worker just create a new job entry for that resource with a new timestamp13:25
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liuhaixiasorry13:26
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joehuangwelcome haixia13:26
xuxiaojiehi, haixia13:27
liuhaixiasomething wrong with my wireless network13:27
joehuangmy concerns is that old expired job should be purged automaticly13:27
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joehuangespecially successful job13:27
zhiyuanyes, job entry in "success" and "new"(not the latest one) status can be removed13:28
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joehuanghi, zhiyuan, should we have timer in xjob to pickup some orphan job?13:28
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zhiyuani think so, since if the latest job fails, we need to redo it13:29
joehuangor only triggered by async task from api server13:29
joehuangso please update the doc with how these jobs will be started13:30
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zhiyuanok, so we need a special worker who is responsible to redo failed job13:30
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joehuangok, others can comment on the async. design, and check to see if something not included13:31
zhiyuanyes, I just would like to say that, pls comment on the doc13:31
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joehuangso next topic, cross pod L2 networking13:31
joehuang#topic cross pod L2 networking13:32
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joehuanghi, pengfei and haixia, you are all interested in L2 networking13:32
joehuangwould you mind sharing your ideas?13:32
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joehuang#action update the doc with how these async. jobs will be started13:34
liuhaixiahow does bottom openstacks connect l2 netwoks? with overlay netwoks,i think l2gw will implement in future.13:34
liuhaixiahi,joehuang,13:34
joehuangVxLAN later13:34
joehuanghi haixia, please13:35
joehuangand could you introduce yourself for a while13:35
joehuangthis is the first time we meet here13:35
liuhaixiabut how does vlan connect across openstack?13:35
liuhaixiai am studying on it13:35
liuhaixiahi,13:36
joehuangeven for VLAN, I think we can also use what implemented in L2 networking with share VLAN13:36
joehuangtwo openstacks, same VLAN network means same L2 network across pod13:36
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joehuangand we can use physical VxLAN gateway to connect two same segment VLAN into one L2 network13:37
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joehuangbut it rely on physical networking device13:38
joehuangI am not sure it's clear or not13:38
liuhaixiaall. i am an engineer in huawei.for recent years,working on sdn for l2 and l3 netwoks in datacenter.13:38
joehuangfor this way, the number of cross openstack L2 networking will be quite limited13:39
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joehuangthanks haixia13:40
joehuanghi, pengfei, your ideas on cross pod L2 networking?13:40
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Pengfeisorry, i do something just now13:41
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Pengfeii know a little about the knowledge with this, maybe i need to think more13:42
liuhaixiai am sorry for reacting  so slowly, for i have to join meeting with my cellphone13:42
joehuangit's hard mode13:42
liuhaixiadoes vtn can sovle this?13:42
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zhiyuani think so, i am using vpn now13:43
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joehuangyes, VPN used13:43
liuhaixiai bought vpn,13:43
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joehuangok, for L2 networking, some rough design were added in the google doc, please review and let's talk next time to see which one we start first, and how to work on it13:45
joehuangthe last topic, quota management, just one patch submitted13:46
BeanZhangHi, all13:46
joehuangmore patch needed for quota control13:46
BeanZhangsorry for late13:46
joehuangHi Bean, longtime no see13:46
BeanZhangi just finish an interview13:46
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BeanZhangpls continue13:47
joehuangplease review the patch, thanks13:47
joehuangany other topics?13:48
zhiyuannot for me13:48
Yipeino for me13:48
BeanZhangok, i will try to review13:48
joehuangthanks13:48
BeanZhangno topic for me13:48
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joehuangso let's conclude the meeting13:49
joehuang#endmeeting13:49
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openstackMeeting ended Wed Mar  2 13:49:21 2016 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)13:49
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joehuangbye13:49
zhiyuanbye~13:49
Pengfeibye~13:49
Yipeibye13:49
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BeanZhangbye~13:49
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Zaraanyone around for the storyboard meeting?14:59
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betherlyo/14:59
SotKo/14:59
Zarait starts in 1 minute, 1 minute remaining14:59
Zara:D14:59
betherlyhey i got there before SotK today!14:59
Zarawell done!14:59
Zarathere's a prize14:59
betherlythats gotta be a first :p14:59
betherlyYAY!14:59
Zarathe prize is feeling great about yourself15:00
Zaraenjoy15:00
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betherlylol!15:00
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Zarawho wants to chair15:00
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SotK#startmeeting storyboard15:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Mar  2 15:00:51 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is SotK. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
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SotK#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StoryBoard Agenda15:01
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Zara(oh, in the time it took me to correct my typo in #startmeeting storyborad...)15:01
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SotKsorry :)15:01
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Zara:) I don't *think* we have any announcements15:01
SotKI can make you chair if you like :)15:01
Zaranah, I'm fine15:02
SotKheh, ok15:02
SotKI don't think we have announcements either15:02
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SotKany urgent things?15:02
Zaranothing new15:02
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Zarawe still have no dev instance, I'm tempted to artificially bump the urgency so something happens15:04
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Zarabut that'd be mean15:04
SotKoops15:04
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SotK#action SotK to sort out a dev instance soon15:04
SotK#topic In Progress Work15:05
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SotK#info Worklists and Boards is still ongoing15:05
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Zara(re: dev instance, if it's still 'soon' next weds, I'll request specifics.)15:05
SotK#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+topic:due-dates Due Dates patches15:06
SotK(fair enough)15:06
Zara\o/15:06
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Zarathere are lots!15:06
betherlydefiniton due-dates patches?15:06
betherlyie is that things that have urgency to them?15:07
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persiaRather, it is a set of patches to allow people to indicate that a given task has a date.15:07
persiaIt might be a near date (urgent) or a far date (e.g. release goal)15:07
betherlyahhh yes. my bad15:07
Zaraheh, yeah, there's some context here: https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/200047615:07
betherlyi did know that. having a brain malfunction15:07
Zaranp, I can see how the sentence was ambiguous xD15:07
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betherlyawesome thanks for the link Zara15:08
Zarahm, I should link it for the logs15:08
Zara#link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/200047615:08
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Zarathe api patches are merged (except the archiving cards patch, iirc), so the above are the UI patches15:09
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SotKI'm looking at automatic worklists today, with success so far :D15:09
persia\o/15:09
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Zarayes, \o/ \o/ \o/!15:10
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SotKanything else in progress?15:12
ZaraI've mainly been reviewing this week.15:13
Zaraboolean search has been merged, though!15:13
Zaraoh, this is still in review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/278987/15:13
Zara#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/278987/15:13
Zarathat's the patch which changes header 'search' to 'jump to...' and removes the magnifying glass, in an attempt to limit search confusion15:14
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betherlyoh awesome ill review that now15:14
SotK\o/ thanks betherly15:14
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betherlythat was an easy review lol! 2 lines of code and html at that :D15:15
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Zaraand then current plan is to make header 'search' work more like the tags search does currently, with the titles as criteria15:15
Zara\o/15:15
Zaraso that's what I'll be looking at either late this week or early next week15:15
Zaradepending on how due dates review goes, I think15:15
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betherlyis the plan then to remove the search navigation from the left?15:16
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Zarayes, I'd like to remove it now; I need to rework the other search patch15:16
betherlyok cool15:16
Zarabecause otherwise mobile users have no nice way to search15:16
betherly++15:17
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Zara#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/279204/15:17
Zarawe talked in the comments there, another thing to do at the end of this week/start of next week, thanks for reminding me15:17
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Zarabut yeah, mainly reviewing. some of the earlier due-date patches need some reviews, btw15:19
Zara#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/278508/615:20
Zara#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/284275/415:20
Zaraall others depend on those so I'm just making sure they don't get forgotten about15:20
Zara(sorry to go back to earlier topic)15:20
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Zarathat's what I'm up to at the moment, anyway.15:21
SotKanything else?15:22
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ZaraI don't think so. there are other vague things on the horizon but I don't think I'll be doing much beyond review, and search patches, before next meeting15:23
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Zaraanyone else?15:24
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betherlyill try and make a start on the flow diagram for the about page and keep looking into solutions for how to go about it15:24
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Zaracool, thanks :D15:25
* SotK is excited for that15:25
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betherlyyay15:26
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SotK#topic Email Config15:28
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* SotK doesn't know what to do about this15:29
Zaraneither do I. :/ I'm acting as a human notifications service in the meantime15:29
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SotKwe could poke some more, or ask to take over the patch if any of us had time to test it/figure out whats wrong15:30
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Zarayeah, I think I'll poke in infra; I don't think I have time to learn puppet and test and work out what's going on. :(15:31
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Zaraespecially since last time I tried to take over a patch, everything went up in flames15:31
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SotKsounds good to me15:32
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SotK#topic UX Meetup15:35
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SotK#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/storyboard-ux-meetup15:35
SotKthanks for coming betherly :)15:35
persiaHurrah: the topic for which I've been waiting.  It seems folk discussed "bugs" vs. "tasks".  This seems to come up a lot.  What is the difference?15:35
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* persia has seen lots of arguments over "bug" vs. "feature" in the past, and doesn't want any metadata to express this without *very* clear semantic distinctions and consensus on the utility of the information to some consumer.15:37
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betherlywas a great day yesterday thanks for having me SotK Zara15:37
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betherlypersia: so tasks are requests and things to do15:38
* SotK personally thinks they are both mostly the same thing: "a thing that requires work to be done to achieve a goal"15:38
betherlybugs are issues that are blockers or just things that need fixing15:38
qwebirc93330Hello, is there a cutoff upto when the code from master will be included in mitaka/stable?15:39
persiabetherly: So, if something "needs fixing", isn't this a representation of a request to do something?15:39
betherlyso for example, with the ironic-ui, a task might be to 'add a node' functionality15:39
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persiaIf something is "blocking", doesn't that mean someone should do something, and so be requested?15:39
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betherlybut a bug might be that the 'add a node' functionality exists but isnt working correctly15:39
persiaAh, so perhaps you are differentiating between "regression" and "non-regression"?15:39
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persiaAs in, something that used to do something doesn't is a "bug" and something that has never done it would be a "feature"?15:40
betherlyyes exactly. or an addition to something that already exists15:40
persiaWHich is the "addition"?15:40
betherlybut a bug is an issue with something that exists that isnt working correctly15:40
Zara(to me, bug vs feature is a distinction to make at the story level, and tasks are 'things to do' in both features and bugs. so I don't think of it in terms of tasks vs bugs, and the discussion didn't change my mind on that.)15:40
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* SotK agrees that if we distinguish, it should be at the story level15:41
persiaTo me, a story should be written to describe desired behaviour, and it doesn't much matter whether someone tried to implement it before or not, as long as it isn't working today.15:41
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persiaOr rather, as long as we can tell whether it works as described today.15:41
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persiaNow, I'm arguing against any "bug" vs. "feature" vs. "task", etc. distinction, but to be clear, some of the arguments I've seen in the past include needing to differentiate on whether something is a regression, needing to differentiate on whether something is planned/unplanned, needing to differentiate whether a request comes from users vs. product management, etc.15:43
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Zaraqwebirc93330: storyboard follows the independent release model; it's continuous delivery. does that help?15:43
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persiaI'd be happy to hear other potential discriminators, and perhaps we could reflect some or all of them, but let's be careful to be clear, so different consumers don't interpret things differently, and argue about whether a given flag should be set.15:44
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* SotK thinks tags could provide a bunch of that if used properly15:45
SotKi.e. if you are product management making a request, add a tag which signifies that15:45
Zarayeah, I personally am fine with people just using tags.15:45
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Zaraif enough people want to use the same ones, we look at making a special bit of metadata for them, but only then15:45
persiaAre there parts of the "bugs vs. tasks" discussion from yesterday that can7t be implemented with tags?15:45
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SotKI think there was a desire to be able to show dependencies somehow15:47
betherlyim just thinking of going back to launchpad in particular where we submit bugs and blueprints seperately15:47
SotK"we can't do B whilst bug A exists"15:47
Zarayeah, tasks that block other tasks.15:47
betherlybut ye i guess could be done with tags15:47
betherlyyep dependencies is a good idea to have for sure15:47
betherlyhow to display that though is a hard one15:47
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persiaLP doesn't support dependencies: it's something that was argued extensively for years, and actively blocked by some of the LP product folk.15:48
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persiaI'm not entirely opposed to them, but it is important to understand precisely what is being expressed.15:48
ZaraI think it can get very complicated fast, where most of the time people just end up remembering what their blockers are anyway, or reading a comment in the description.15:48
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Zaratheoretically you could use the 'link' field in a task to link to a blocking task and not bother modelling it any deeper than that.15:49
persiaDo "links" have a text field where someone can describe the relation?  If so, that provides flexibility.15:49
persiaAlthough it makes it hard to search for tasks that are blocked, or are not blocked.15:50
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ZaraI'm not sure that's a problem. people generally want to know 'is this specific task I'm interested in blocked?'. the exception is maybe a manager, who'd want to know if people on their team were blocked, but I think they'd have other primary channels for that.15:52
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persiaTo me, unblocked is the more interesting seach, from the perspective of "how can I (realisitically) help?"15:53
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SotKperhaps allowing a story/task (idk where we want to model dependency) to have an arbitrary list of other tasks/stories they depend on, and if that list has contents that aren't "merged", the story/task is blocked15:54
Zaralinks don't currently allow a user to add extra text information, but we could extend them easily enough (technically a user can put whatever text they like in a link, but extra text would then stop the link from functioning as a link, because it's just wrapped in <a> tags).15:55
* SotK can see a task needing a link and also being blocked15:55
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ZaraI'd really rather not model dependency at all15:56
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Zarait seems like a lot of hassle for very little gain, since I think most cases would be solved by a 'btw we're blocked by x' next to the task15:56
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Zaraworst case scenario, you end up chasing a load of links in a circle, which will probably be a problem with modelling it too15:57
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* SotK would be equally happy with saying "put links in the description if you want them", but that doesn't allow searching15:58
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Zarasimilarly, I think asking 'where can I help' on irc is always going to be better.15:58
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Zaranearly out of time15:59
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SotKwe can continue in #storyboard if people want, our time is up15:59
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Zarasnappish15:59
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SotK#endmeeting15:59
*** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings"15:59
openstackMeeting ended Wed Mar  2 15:59:39 2016 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)15:59
openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2016/storyboard.2016-03-02-15.00.html15:59
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2016/storyboard.2016-03-02-15.00.txt15:59
betherlythanks all15:59
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2016/storyboard.2016-03-02-15.00.log.html15:59
SotKthanks betherly15:59
SotK+ all15:59
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smcginnis#startmeeting Cinder16:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Mar  2 16:00:17 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'cinder'16:00
smcginnisCourtesy ping: dulek duncant eharney geguileo winston-d e0ne jungleboyj jgriffith thingee smcginnis hemna xyang tbarron scottda erlon rhedlind jbernard vincent_hou kmartin patrickeast sheel dongwenjuan JaniceLee cFouts Thelo vivekd adrianofr mtanino yuriy_n1716:00
jungleboyjo/16:00
geguileosmcginnis: Thanks16:00
eharneyhi16:00
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e0nehi16:00
patrickeastHi16:00
cFoutshi16:00
dulekHi!16:00
tbarronhi16:00
geguileoHi16:00
yhayashihello16:00
vincent_houhi16:00
mtaninohi16:00
smcginnisHey all16:00
akerro/16:00
DuncanTHi16:00
adrianofr_Hi16:00
sheelhello all16:00
thingeeo/16:00
scottdahey16:00
jgregorHello!16:00
diablo_rojoHello :)16:00
baumannHello!16:00
ntpttrHi16:00
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smcginnis#topic Release status16:01
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jgriffithaloha16:01
Swansonhi16:01
smcginnisYesterday was our published feature freeze for Cinder.16:01
smcginnisI will be cutting M-3 as soon as a couple final patches finish working through gate.16:01
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dulekWhee! :)16:02
smcginnis:)16:02
smcginnisWe can still accept bug fixes, but we need to start locking down and focusing on final testing and RC prep.16:02
e0negood news!16:02
smcginnisSo reviewers, please keep that in mind.16:02
sheel๐Ÿ‘16:03
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smcginnisThere are a lot of good patches out there right now, but we need to start deciding if it is worth getting in M or safer to wait.16:03
* thingee starts marking reviews accordingly16:03
smcginnisAt the end of this week is also soft string freeze.16:03
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smcginnisSo even for those bug fixes we want in - please start to pay attention to unnecessary string changes.16:04
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smcginnisOur translation folks already have an impossible job as it is.16:04
smcginnisSo if we can help limit that load at all, it will be good.16:04
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smcginnisOK, that's all I really had to say. Any questions or other things anyone wants to point out?16:05
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dulekI haven't read a confirmation on RPC version bumps.16:05
dulekSo these patches will be allowed just before RC-1?16:05
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DuncanTWe said we'd keep accepting cheesecake driver patches through feature freeze, right?16:05
smcginnisdulek: I think that's probably safest. You think so?16:05
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smcginnisDuncanT: Correct. Repl patches should be treated as bug fixes at this point.16:06
dulekIt won't be end of the world if we end up not merging them, but it would be cool to clean up before the release.16:06
smcginnisBut the sooner we can help work those through, the better.16:06
smcginnisdulek: I agree.16:06
duleksmcginnis: I'm okay. I would love some help with testing - if anyone is willing to help.16:06
jgriffithdulek: +116:06
smcginnis#topic A lot of TODO tags in cinder code16:07
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smcginnissheel: Hey16:07
sheelsmcginnis: hey16:07
sheelhello all16:07
sheelactually this is regarding TODO tags present in the cinder code16:07
sheelI think its more than 100 places where we could see these TODO16:07
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smcginnisI think we did a push at the beginning of Juno IIRC.16:07
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sheelsome are really important to follow16:08
smcginnisjgriffith: Hah, there's no hiding for you!16:08
sheelbut some can be removed16:08
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jgriffithstupid initials16:08
sheeljgriffith: haha16:08
eharneyreally important TODOs should have bugs written16:08
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sheeleharney: +!16:08
* flip214 has 14 in the one driver, ouch16:08
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geguileoeharney: What if those TODOs are for future releases?16:08
sheeltotal 110 +16:08
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geguileoLike things that are marked TODO because they are related to rolling upgrades changes16:09
sheelSo, we can create bug and add then to outreachy16:09
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geguileoThat require multiple releases changes16:09
smcginnisgrep -R TODO cinder/* --include="*.py" | grep jdg | wc -l16:09
smcginnisOnly 1016:09
dulekgeguileo: I guess we can start creating bugs after the release.16:09
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smcginnisdulek: +116:09
dulekBut most of rolling-upgrades related TODOs are like free commits.16:09
sheel10 are there in dell driver only16:10
flip214is there some other tag that should be used for reminders?16:10
dulekSo I think these will be cleared pretty fast. ;)16:10
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sheelsmcginnis: hehe16:10
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jgriffithLOL16:10
geguileodulek: I have a good bunch of TODOs in my job distribution patches16:10
smcginnisI blame Swanson16:10
jungleboyjOh how the tide can turn.16:10
SwansonSwanson: TODO means not going to happen, right?16:10
flip214of course, pushing a commit that removes these comments is easy, but I, for my part, put them in for a reason... ;)16:10
smcginnisI do think it's good to review these every once in a while.16:11
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smcginnisThere are a few different types.16:11
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smcginnisSome that really do need to be addressed.16:11
smcginnisSome that are just notes that really we should try to improve something at some point in the future.16:11
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sheelsmcginnis: is it ok to assign respective members and decide if bug creation is required or removal is ok16:11
smcginnisAnd some that are just notes that it should be done, but it's not likely worth the effort to make it happen.16:11
SwansonIf they've been in there for a couple releases and nothing has happened then it isn't a problem and they can be deleted.16:11
smcginnissheel: Yeah, I think that would be good.16:11
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jgriffithSwanson: haha.. there are some that I ported from Nova Volume in there still16:12
sheeljgriffith: plz stare at me..16:12
sheeljgriffith: haha16:12
smcginnisDidn't we do an etherpad in Juno for all of the tags to track and make sure they were all at least inspected?16:12
sheel*dont stare16:12
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jgriffithsheel: :)16:12
e0nesmcginnis: we did16:12
dulekjgriffith: I love the ones from "inital fork from nova". :D16:12
smcginnise0ne: I don't recall - did that work well?16:13
geguileodulek: lol16:13
jgriffithdulek: I'm getting to them... :)16:13
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smcginnisjgriffith: Hah, right!16:13
e0nesmcginnis: not sure, because we can't remove all TODO's16:13
jgriffithsheel: so if you're interested and nobody (looks at smcginnis ) objects...16:13
jgriffithsheel: maybe it would be good to compile a list/ehterpad and start there16:13
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sheeljgriffith: yes its ok16:14
jgriffithI agree with eharney that some should probably be bugs, but I know a bunch are just editorial16:14
dulekjgriffith: It's smart you're using different IRC and TODO handles. It took me a while to figure out these weren't added by some guy from Nova.16:14
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smcginnisjgriffith: I think that would be good.16:14
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sheeljgriffith: i will be behind you all to get informatino about these TODOs16:14
jgriffithdulek: LOL.. that *used* to be my irc handle till some evil doer registered it before me16:14
sheeljgriffith: for bug creatino and all16:14
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sheelhope its ok to go like this16:15
sheel?16:15
jgriffithsheel: sounds reasonable to me16:15
jgriffithsheel: we can even just mark some as "remove" and be done with it16:15
sheeljgriffith: ok ๐Ÿ‘16:15
smcginnissheel: Good plan.16:15
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dulek+116:15
smcginnissheel: Anything else to discuss here?16:15
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sheelsmcginnis:  :)16:15
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sheelsmcginnis: :)16:16
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smcginnisWe can discuss more in channel as we work through them.16:16
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smcginnissheel: Thanks for bringing it up.16:16
smcginnis#topic API working group is changing microversion headers16:16
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sheelsmcginnis: no its done i think16:16
smcginnisscottda: Hi16:16
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scottdaHi16:17
scottdaSo, the api working group is about to merge a patch that changes guidance on microversion headers:16:17
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smcginnis#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/243414/ API guidelines16:17
scottdahttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/243414/16:17
sheelmultiple headers16:17
scottdaI've bug and patch for this:16:17
scottda#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/155194116:17
openstackLaunchpad bug 1551941 in Cinder "api microversion header should conform to new guidlines" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Scott DAngelo (scott-dangelo)16:17
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scottda#link https://review.openstack.org/28690116:18
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scottdaPatch should be un-WIP'ed soon. I just want to add a unit test or two.16:18
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scottdaThis is a string change, so should be in before string freeze. And certainly before release.16:18
scottdaSo, "Heads Up Reviewers"16:18
smcginnisscottda: Thanks. We definitely should follow the api-wg direction.16:19
sheelscottda: +116:19
jgriffithscottda: smcginnis just to clarify....16:19
jgriffithscottda: smcginnis where does this fall in with M, freeze dates etc etc16:19
smcginnisI think it's a bug fix, so we have a little time. Not much though.16:20
scottdajgriffith: It should be fixed in M, before we ship with old style header16:20
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scottdaAnd is a string change, so should be ahead of string freeze.16:20
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jgriffithOk, cool16:20
scottdaThat's it. Just something that popped up yesterday. I'm done.16:20
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smcginnisscottda: Thanks16:20
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smcginnis#topic Testing Cinder with Latest Oslo code16:21
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smcginnisjungleboyj: You're up cap'n.16:21
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jungleboyjsmcginnis: Thanks.16:22
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jungleboyjSo, Oslo now has periodic tests they can run with the latest Oslo libraries that makes sure that their changes don't break anything.16:22
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jungleboyjThe reached out to the Liaisons to ask if the projects wanted to add this testing.16:22
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jungleboyjI don't see any reason not to do it but wanted to make people aware here.16:23
jungleboyjBetter chance to avoid Oslo merging anything that breaks us in the future.16:23
smcginnisjungleboyj: Would be good to have a better chance of finding breaking changes sooner.16:23
jgriffithjungleboyj: make it so16:24
patrickeastIs there any downside? Seems like we definitely would want to do it16:24
e0nejungleboyj: it's a great idea to have such tests16:24
jungleboyjsmcginnis: jgriffith Cool.  That was what I figured people would say.16:24
jungleboyje0ne: Not aware of any.16:24
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jungleboyjI will follow up and make it happen.16:24
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smcginnisjungleboyj: Thanks for the heads up. I do think it will be a good thing.16:25
smcginnisjungleboyj: Anything else on that or oslo in general?16:25
jungleboyjsmcginnis: Agreed.  I will let you all know when it is happening.16:25
e0nejungleboyj: do you know why https://review.openstack.org/#/c/284150/ is abandoned?16:25
e0nedims: ^^16:25
jungleboyjsmcginnis: No other Oslo news right now.  They are locked down for Mitaka at this point.16:25
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jungleboyje0ne: Not sure.  Would have to follow up with dims_16:26
smcginnisjungleboyj: Good, hopefully we start to have a little stability now that library freeze is passed.16:26
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smcginnise0ne: I had the impression that was just a test patch.16:26
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duleke0ne: Wasn't it a single DO-NOT-MERGE patch to try out the libs?16:27
smcginnis#topic Open discussion16:27
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jgriffithsmcginnis: I've got one :)16:27
e0nesmcginnis, dulek: thanks, looks you're right16:27
smcginnisAnyone other than jgriffith?16:27
smcginnis:P16:27
sheelsmcginnis: I have some questions...16:27
e0ne:)16:27
vivekdsmcginnis: i've got one16:27
vivekd:-)16:27
smcginnisjgriffith: What's up? :)16:27
jgriffithhttp://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/088007.html   http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/088007.html and http://docs-draft.openstack.org/81/286981/1/check/gate-cinder-docs/e2a244e//doc/build/html/devref/attach_detach_conventions.html16:27
smcginnisvivekd: You're next.16:28
vivekdok16:28
jgriffithI know it's not an M thing, but I'd like it if folks could take a look at those things.  In particular the direction I would like to go in this WIP:  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/284867/16:28
jgriffiththat's all16:28
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smcginnisWould be very nice if we can get that sorted once and for all in N.16:28
vivekdi'll start after jgriffith is done16:28
jgriffithvivekd: I'm done :)16:29
sheel:)16:29
scottdajgriffith: Can I add you to the Interested Persons list https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-nova-api-changes16:29
vivekdi've a proposal on cinder service topics configurability.16:29
e0nejgriffith: thanks for the patch! I'll take a look on it  and test later this week16:29
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jgriffithscottda: sure16:29
vivekdi see that we've volume_topic, backup_topic as config options to let users configure the topics that the respective service nodes listen on.16:29
jgriffithe0ne: cool... note that the idea is to just stop the connector passing stuff and just eventually return an attachment ID16:29
smcginnisjgriffith: You just filed a bug on the topic thing, right?16:30
jgriffithe0ne: sheel the "todo's" in the code should explain it :)16:30
vivekdbut from dulek comment @ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286976/16:30
vivekdi see that the conf values of topics are never used in the code.16:30
e0nejgriffith: so, I can't -1 for TODO's? :(16:30
vivekdand that i think is enough evidence that no one really uses that feature.16:30
smcginnisvivekd: Oh yeah, that's the one I was thinking of.16:30
vivekdmy opinion is that these features are not really adding any value.16:30
jgriffithvivekd: :)16:30
vivekdso can we remove that feature - "configurability of topics"?16:31
Swansonjgriffith,  I'm changing the todo's to note:16:31
dulekvivekd: I'm also confused on how to approach everything correctly.16:31
lixiaoy11https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1301888 this one is about topic16:31
openstackLaunchpad bug 1301888 in Cinder "cinder services doesn't honor _topic setting in config" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Lisa Li (lisali)16:31
smcginnisAnyone with background on topic usage and why we might want it?16:31
vivekdthat will reduce the confusion16:31
sheelSwanson: let me compile, is it ok to do it in one go16:31
jgriffithis lixiaoy11 here?16:31
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smcginnislixiaoy11: Thanks!16:31
lixiaoy11jgriffith: yes16:31
jgriffithvivekd: smcginnis I was talking with lixiaoy11 about this last night16:31
jgriffithOh... yeah.. there you are :)16:32
jgriffithsorry16:32
vivekdi tried to look through git logs but cuoldnt figure out much16:32
dulekSo my perception when commenting on vivekd's patch was we should fix it.16:32
geguileovivekd: Are you sure it is not being used?16:32
geguileovivekd: I kind of think it is...16:32
dulekAnd let services to connect to configured topics.16:32
vivekdyes geguileo16:32
lixiaoy11vivekd: there is problem in the codes that we don't hornor topic16:32
jgriffithgeguileo: so I tried setting it last night and it blows everything up16:32
dulekgeguileo: World breaks when you change volume_topic. ;)16:32
Poornimafolks anything I can do to move ahead https://review.openstack.org/#/c/235752/16:32
jgriffithgeguileo: if you set it you get no rpc16:32
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* jgriffith thinks he had a TODO to implement that after moving it from nova-volume :)16:33
vivekd:-)16:33
smcginnis:)16:33
geguileoShouldn't we fix that?16:33
dulekNow if we drop these config options instead of fixing that - is it making things easier for anyone?16:33
smcginnisgeguileo: Either fix or remove.16:33
DuncanTPoornima: I'm looking at a bug in that very code patch now, as it happens, so I'd like to see them run somewhere16:33
geguileoI think fixing is the right direction16:33
smcginnisI guess at this point, I'm looking for justification why not to just remove.16:33
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jgriffithdulek: I'd say yes... because it's one lest edge case that we ignore16:34
smcginnisIt's obviously not being used if no one noticed until now that it's broken.16:34
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DuncanTIf they've never worked, remove them16:34
mtaninogeguileo: hi, If you have a chance, could you visit the LIO backport patch? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283085/16:34
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vivekd+1 DuncanT16:34
DuncanTWe've got too many already16:34
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smcginnisDuncanT: That's kinda what I'm thinking.16:34
dulekOkay, if anyone will propose a patch removing them I'll comment if I would be able to justify a use case.16:34
jgriffithI'd at the very least mark it as deprecated like right *NOW*16:34
lixiaoy11DuncanT: at least in liberty, and now it doesn't work,  +116:35
PoornimaDuncanT, sure since new to cinder would like to checkin api flow16:35
dulekRight now the only one would be having two Cinder deployments on single RabbitMQ.16:35
vivekdi can submit a patch to remove them smcginnis dulek16:35
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jgriffiththen consider just removing it altogether, unless we find out that the problem is just that none of us are configuring things correctly :)16:35
dulekWell, maybe it's a valid use case, but since it wasn't possible in the pastโ€ฆ16:35
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lixiaoy11vivekd: I think you can take the above bug16:35
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DuncanTPoornima: I think we need to go through the cinder tempest tests and split out the ones that should gate everybody .v. the ones that should only gate cinder, and make a new gate job for the latter16:36
smcginnisRemove, and if someone comes along needing that functionality we can add it then. Once we know someone actually needs/wants it.16:36
DuncanTPoornima: It's going to be a Newton timeframe task though16:36
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tbarrondo we know that this never worked? or just that it doesn't work now?16:36
dulekWhat about deprecation period? It wasn't working, so we can skip it?16:36
vivekdok smcginnis16:36
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tbarronthere are lots of customers out there running juno ...16:37
jgriffithDuncanT: +1 to further elaborate, my thought was any test you can run with just [cinder, mysql, keystone, rabbit]  and possibly Glance16:37
DuncanTCan anybody test it on juno/kilo? See how long it's been broken16:37
jgriffithDuncanT: next iteration would be SWIFT I suppose for the backup stuff16:37
PoornimaDuncanT, alright do we have a bug created for it or ill create a new bug16:37
smcginnisdulek: I'm thinking if it really was non-functional it doesn't need to be deprecated.16:37
DuncanTjgriffith: For some tests, sure, for this you'd need swift and barbican too16:37
smcginnisIt kind of implicitly has been in that case.16:38
jgriffithDuncanT: like I said... "next" iteration16:38
jgriffith:)16:38
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DuncanTjgriffith: I think there's certainly room for a bunch of tests that run on a very cutdown system, for sure16:38
dulektbarron: Just looked through "initial commit out of nova". No, it wasn't working since Grizzly.16:38
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tbarrondulek: ty!16:38
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dulektbarron: I mean yes, it wasn't working since Grizzly. :P16:38
DuncanTdulek: Terminate with prejudice then IMO16:38
smcginnisDuncanT: +116:38
jgriffithdulek: I wasn't joking when I said I had a TODO for that16:39
jgriffith:(16:39
tbarrondulek: yeah, that's how I understood you16:39
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DuncanT'git blame' says it is all jgriffith's fault16:40
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dulek:) Thanks for raising this up vivekd, I should have proposed an agenda item instead of commenting on your patch with solution.16:40
vivekd:-)16:40
jgriffithdamn you GiT!16:40
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vivekdnp dulek16:40
smcginnisHah!16:40
vivekd:-)16:40
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smcginnisAnything else? Or should we get 19 minutes back to review bug fixes and do testing? :)16:41
sheelok guys, if  done, could i go ahead with my queries ?16:41
mmandelCan I please get 1 more core to review this change? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/238722/16:41
sheelsmcginnis: i am there16:41
lixiaoy11I have one16:41
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smcginnissheel: GO ahead16:41
sheelsmcginnis: jgriffith  and all other members : do we have any notes for below16:41
sheel1. migration procedure - for testing purpose.16:42
sheel2. how to setup multi backends (multiple cinder nodes), backup nodes, ceph nodes....16:42
sheel3. how can we fake drivers...16:42
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sheelAs I used to have lot of suggestions, I want to propose them to add to trainings16:42
eharneymmandel: i was reviewing that patch, i'll look at it again today16:42
smcginnisDocumentation?!16:42
smcginnis:)16:42
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mmandeleharney: great, thanks very much!16:42
sheelsmcginnis: yup16:42
duleksheel: #1 is definitely in devref16:42
sheeldulek: great, could you give a pointer16:43
duleksheel: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/cinder/devref/migration.html16:43
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sheeldulek: thanks16:43
sheelAlso, why we add this to devref and all...why dont we add these topics to openstack trainings ?16:43
thingeea little neat program I found if you're a vim user... rst live rendering https://github.com/Rykka/InstantRst16:44
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vincent_houFor anything regarding migration, you can find me.16:44
sheelmeans any specific agenda behind this16:44
sheelthingee: yep, thats cool, i refered it today16:44
vincent_houI wrote http://docs.openstack.org/developer/cinder/devref/migration.html16:44
jgriffiththingee: oh, nice!16:44
smcginnisthingee: Nice! Missed the dev tools at the midcycle. :)16:44
thingeekeep in mind that the python server part has a bug, but I made a pullrequest https://github.com/Rykka/instant-rst.py/pull/1116:44
sheelvincent_hou: cool, btw I meant db migration16:45
vincent_housheel: oh.16:45
sheelany pointers to below :16:45
sheel2. how to setup multi backends (multiple cinder nodes), backup nodes, ceph nodes....16:45
sheel3. how can we fake drivers...16:45
dulekWeren't there more opens to talk through before presenting dev tools? :)16:45
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smcginnissheel: What openstack trainings were you referring to?16:46
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sheelsmcginnis: openstack/training-guides16:46
jungleboyjsheel: Multi-backend configuration is documented if you google for multi-backend configuration.16:46
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smcginnissheel: Would be good to have something in there. I'm not sure who does those though.16:47
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sheeljungleboyj: i tried...but some misses..could not successed..16:47
smcginnisOr if folks even know about them much. They're fairly new IIRC.16:47
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jungleboyjsheel: Come to our presentation at the Summit.  ;-)16:48
sheelI sew Mike Prez added for IRC tool @ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286941/16:48
sheeljungleboyj: I am planning...I voted for your presentation..16:48
sheeljungleboyj: :)16:48
diablo_rojosheel :)16:48
sheel:)16:49
jungleboyj:-)16:49
sheeljungleboyj: may be you can leak your presentation even before summit...16:49
sheeljungleboyj: haha16:49
sheeljungleboyj: I would take that reference for setup :)16:50
jungleboyjTalk to diablo_rojo16:50
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sheeljungleboyj: diablo_rojo: sure16:50
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jungleboyj:-)16:50
Poornimasheel, does those include developer training :)16:50
sheelok, one more point  left16:51
sheelhow can we fake drivers..16:51
sheelPoornima: I will share link16:51
sheelPoornima: https://github.com/openstack/training-guides16:52
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sheelsmcginnis: ok, I am asking specifically... is there any way to fake dell driver for testing code on my hp laptop :)16:53
Poornimasheel, cool thx16:53
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Swansonsheel, No, buy a storage center.16:53
sheelsmcginnis: I am interested in participating in driver code in cinder....so eager to no16:53
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sheelSwanson: I will think when i will be 60+. will have some money till then at least for buying :)16:54
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sheelSwanson:  :)16:54
sheelSwanson: means there is no other way, right?16:54
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smcginnisSome vendors supply an array simulator.16:54
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smcginnisTheoretically you could run that on your laptop and use it as a Cinder backend.16:55
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dulekxyang1: Don't we have FakeDriver/GateDriver?16:55
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xyang1dulek: yes16:55
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sheelsmcginnis: ok16:56
sheelxyang1: dulek: any pointer16:56
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xyang1dulek: it is fake_driver under tests16:56
sheel*dulek have almost every answer...great16:56
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sheelxyang1: ohk..16:57
smcginnis3 minutes. Anything else we need to hold the meeting channel for?16:57
sheelI am done16:57
flip214a free beer would be nie16:58
flip214*nice16:58
smcginnisThanks everyone.16:58
geguileoThanks everyone16:58
smcginnisflip214: ;)16:58
jungleboyjThanks.16:58
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smcginnis#endmeeting16:58
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jlvillal#startmeeting ironic_qa17:00
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openstackMeeting started Wed Mar  2 17:00:03 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is jlvillal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:00
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jlvillalHello everyone.17:00
jlvillalThe agenda is at: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic-QA17:00
mjturek1hey o/17:00
cdearborno/17:00
jlvillal#topic Announcements17:00
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jlvillalI don't have any announcements.17:01
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jlvillalDoes anyone else?17:01
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jlvillalOkay, moving on17:02
jlvillal#topic Grenade testing17:02
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jlvillalSo I made some progress since last week's meeting.17:02
mgouldo/17:02
jlvillalHad to work around a regression issue in stable/liberty17:02
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sambettso/17:03
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jlvillal#info There is a regression issue in stable/liberty: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1549095  jlvillal will likely propose a work-around patch for the issue.17:03
openstackLaunchpad bug 1549095 in Ironic "devstack fails while running Ironic grenade job: init__() got an unexpected keyword argument 'token'" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to John L. Villalovos (happycamp)17:03
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jlvillal#info Have not come to a solution on how to make Grenade only test baremetal things. A solution that is acceptable to be pushed upstream is not yet found. Have a working local solution (jlvillal)17:04
jlvillal#info Test harness that jlvillal developed: https://github.com/JohnVillalovos/devstack-gate-test17:04
rpiosoo/17:05
jlvillal#info Current status is can get devstack test to pass the stable/liberty portion. It then fails when it goes to the next step in the process.17:05
jlvillalI have not had much time so far this week to make additional progress17:05
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jlvillalI know mgould had been doing some work on it.17:05
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jlvillalmgould: Anything to add? Any ideas on cause of current failure?17:06
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jlvillalmgould: ?17:07
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* jlvillal knows mgould said he was attending another meeting. So he might not have our full attention :)17:07
jlvillalI don't have anything else on Grenade testing. Any questions?17:07
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mgouldsorry, just saw the notification :-)17:07
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mgouldI've also been hacking on grenade, but have no progress to report17:08
jlvillalThanks for the update.17:08
jlvillalOkay moving on then17:08
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jlvillal#topic Functional testing17:08
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jlvillalAny updates from anyone?17:08
mjturek1Not much progress. we're hoping to do some work on it today, but have been a bit sidetracked unfortunately :(17:08
* jlvillal looks at mjturek1 :)17:08
mjturek1heheh17:08
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mjturek1today is our designated functional testing day though17:08
jlvillalI unfortunately understand getting side-tracked.17:08
mjturek1heheh17:08
jlvillal#info No updates this week.17:09
jlvillalOkay then moving on if nothing else17:09
jlvillal#info 3rd Party CI17:09
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jlvillal#undo17:10
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jlvillal#topic 3rd Party CI17:10
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jlvillalI don't see krtaylor here17:10
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jlvillalDoes anyone have any 3rd Party CI updates17:10
jlvillalI noticed that sambetts aka cisco is now commenting/voting17:11
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sambettsCisco Ironic CI is hooked up and reponding to patches, it is returning Failed because we're still working on the jobs, but we're close :D17:11
jlvillalMaybe it is cisco aka sambetts...17:11
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jlvillal#info Cisco Ironic CI is hooked up and reponding to patches, it is returning Failed because we're still working on the jobs, but we're close :D17:11
jlvillalsambetts: Awesome! :)17:12
jlvillalAnything else from anyone?17:12
sambettsit needs some slight modification too, because we should be triggering 2 jobs per patch because we've got 2 drivers17:12
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sambettsCIMC and UCSM17:12
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maurosrjlvillal: at IBM's CI we're testing silent with upstream patches, there is just one internal network adjustment to be made and we will watch to see if jobs are stable to turn on commenting on the patches17:12
jlvillal#info IBM's CI is testing silently with upstream patches, there is just one internal network adjustment to be made and they will watch to see if jobs are stable to turn on commenting on the patches17:13
sambettsmaurosr: Thats awesome :D17:13
jlvillalmaurosr: Thanks17:13
jlvillalAny other updates?17:13
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jlvillalOkay, moving on then.17:14
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jlvillal#topic Open Discussion / General QA topics17:14
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jlvillalThe floor is open.17:14
jlvillalIf anyone has something to discuss feel free.17:14
kcalmanI had a question17:14
kcalmanIs anyone actually testing hardware at this point?17:15
jlvillalkcalman: That is the goal of the 3rd Party CI17:15
maurosrI have a review request https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+branch:master+topic:bug/1546706 this 3 patches fixes #1546706 which is something we need to get our tests running17:15
jlvillalOne of the goals, I believe.17:15
kcalmanI am aware of that, I am wondering if anyone is there yet17:16
sambettskcalman: Our CI will be, it will be against real Cisco UCS, under control of either the Ironic UCSM Driver or Ironic CIMC Driver17:16
maurosrkcalman: we're (IBM, report on patches will start next friday or monday hopefully)17:16
sambettskcalman: we're very close, and I've had manual runs working, just need to get the automation setup for the jobs17:16
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jlvillal#info Review request to get CI working: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+branch:master+topic:bug/1546706 the 3 patches fixes #1546706 which is something needed to get IBM CI tests running17:17
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jlvillalNot sure if maurosr is running on real hardware or not.17:18
maurosrwe are jlvillal17:18
maurosryou can see a successful run here if you want http://dal05.objectstorage.softlayer.net/v1/AUTH_3d8e6ecb-f597-448c-8ec2-164e9f710dd6/c2/ibm-devstack-gate/79/579/1/check/imported:gate-tempest-dsvm-ironic-pxe_ipmitool-vivid/f329e4a/17:18
jlvillalThanks17:18
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jlvillalAny other questions or comments?17:19
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kcalmanOK, thanks17:19
jlvillalAll right. I think we are done.17:20
jlvillalThanks for attending everyone!17:20
jlvillal#endmeeting17:20
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prosunfpatwa: hi Farhan18:35
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ShillaSaebi #startmeeting docteam19:00
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ShillaSaebihi everyone19:01
ShillaSaebianyone here for the docs meeting19:01
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ShillaSaebifor some reason im having trouble starting the meeting, going to try again19:01
ShillaSaebi#startmeeting docteam19:01
openstackMeeting started Wed Mar  2 19:01:30 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is ShillaSaebi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:01
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'docteam'19:01
ShillaSaebiah it was the space19:01
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AJaegero/19:01
gmolsonHi!19:01
ShillaSaebihello AJaeger19:01
ShillaSaebihi!19:02
emaganahello ShillaSaebi19:02
njohnstono/19:02
AJaegergood evening, everybody19:02
emaganaHello All!19:02
ShillaSaebialright, better attendance already19:02
lwilliams_o/19:02
ShillaSaebimust be the time change19:02
ShillaSaebithats good news19:02
ShillaSaebiI did a little big of reading up and looks like the APAC meeting last week didn't have much of an attendance so that ended early19:03
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ShillaSaebiand we were still rearranging our time for the US one so my agenda may be a bit light19:03
ShillaSaebijust want to give a heads up about that19:03
ShillaSaebi#topic Action items from the last meeting19:04
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ShillaSaebithere are none that are noted19:04
ShillaSaebiso thats a quick one unless someone wants to bring something up19:04
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ShillaSaebi#topic Specs in Review19:04
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ShillaSaebi#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/docs-specs,n,z19:05
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ShillaSaebiand none listed19:05
ShillaSaebi:)19:05
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annegentleo/ sorry I'm late19:05
ShillaSaebihello annegentle!19:06
ShillaSaebiWe haven't really gone through much and the agenda is pretty light19:06
annegentlecool19:06
annegentleand, whew19:06
ShillaSaebiWas just going through action items (none) and specs in review (none)19:06
annegentleperfect19:06
ShillaSaebiyeah and good news, we have a much bigger attendance!19:06
ShillaSaebihappy about the time change19:06
ShillaSaebi#topic Speciality teams19:07
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ShillaSaebiLana has been collecting the speciality team reports on this etherpad since the beginning of the year19:07
ShillaSaebiit's been working great and it also gives us a better place to link to for this info19:07
ShillaSaebiGenerally Lana will ask for updates on Wednesday, to be completed by around noon by friday19:08
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ShillaSaebifeel free to view the link for all the updates on the specialty teams19:08
ShillaSaebi#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Speciality_Team_Reports19:08
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ShillaSaebiand if anyone is here from the specialty teams, we can go through any additional updates you would like to bring up19:08
emaganaI am here from the networking guide19:08
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emaganabut our meeting will happen this Thursday, so I do not have too much to report but the fact that neutron team had last week the mid-cycle and Matt was representing Docs there19:09
gmolsonI am here from User Guide. For User Guide team, we are making progress on moving content from the Admin User Guide to the Cloud Admin Guide. Dashboard content is complete, and part 1 of command-line content is in progress.19:10
* AJaeger saw some new reviews coming in for the networking guide which is great19:10
emaganaWe also have good traction on new chapter and other areas for the networking guide that are looking good19:10
emaganaYes! It is looking better AJaeger19:10
annegentlethat's awesome emagana19:10
ShillaSaebithats great news19:10
emaganaI need to invest more time in reviews!!!  :-)19:10
ShillaSaebishould we post a link so that we can go through them19:11
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ShillaSaebiwe have a few cores here :)19:11
AJaegerShillaSaebi: no need to post links, just wanted to point it out19:12
ShillaSaebiok awesome19:12
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ShillaSaebithanks AJaeger19:12
ShillaSaebialright anything else on the specialty teams?19:12
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emaganaShillaSaebi: I want to gain my corerole  ;-)19:13
ShillaSaebiWe will be having the arch/ops guide team meeting tomorrow so I don't have much to update as of now19:13
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AJaegerShillaSaebi: I'd love to get rid of XML - how's OPS guide conversion moving forward?19:13
ShillaSaebiwe haven't started the conversion for the ops guide yet19:14
AJaegerDo you have now all answers and can form a plan?19:14
ShillaSaebiwe are waiting for hte N release19:14
ShillaSaebithe*19:14
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AJaegerShillaSaebi: please do prepare for it - I'd like to obsolete our XML toolchain.19:14
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ShillaSaebiyes we are on the same page19:15
ShillaSaebiwe need some help too19:15
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ShillaSaebiwe've sent a few e-mails out with a call for help but haven't received much response19:15
ShillaSaebiany response in fact19:15
annegentleplease oh please19:15
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annegentleoh please19:15
annegentle:)19:15
AJaeger;)19:15
ShillaSaebiyeah we can try again or maybe send a reminder for our meeting tomorrow19:16
annegentleI have to give huge props to krotscheck for helping with the flat HTML files from Swagger19:16
ShillaSaebikudos krotscheck!19:16
ShillaSaebithat's awesome19:16
krotscheckthanks!19:16
annegentle#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286659/19:16
* AJaeger agrees - was just seeing some good discussion...19:16
annegentlethat will also help deprecate the XML toolchain completely19:17
annegentlesuper happy19:17
ShillaSaebiyay19:17
AJaegerplease oh please!19:17
ShillaSaebiheh19:17
annegentleAJaeger: heee19:17
emaganaannegentle: +219:17
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ShillaSaebigreat!19:18
ShillaSaebianything else on the specialty teams?19:18
ShillaSaebiok moving along19:19
ShillaSaebi#topic Countdown to release!19:19
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ShillaSaebiwe are roughly 6 weeks away till the new release19:19
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annegentleand tomorrow is feature freeze right? and soft string freeze also19:20
annegentle#link http://releases.openstack.org/mitaka/schedule.html19:20
AJaegerdo we have anybody that wants to act as some kind of "release coordinator"?19:20
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ShillaSaebi#link http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/launch?iso=20160407T00&p0=1440&msg=OpenStack+Mitaka+Launch+Date&font=cursive19:21
annegentleAJaeger: oh yes, great opportunity19:21
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AJaegerWe need somebody that coordinates that all pages are updated and documents are published in time.19:21
annegentleit's a good chance to see how releases go and be the docs point of contact. AJaeger and I would back you up of course19:21
ShillaSaebithat does sound like a great opportunity19:22
AJaeger#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/Release19:22
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annegentle#info Looking for a docs release coordinator for Mitaka.19:22
AJaegerthat one contains most (hopefully all) information and I'm happy to review that together with anybody that wants to help19:22
ShillaSaebihow much time does it usually take roughly?19:22
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annegentle#info Release week is April 4-819:22
AJaegerShillaSaebi: it depends on what needs doing - if it's just coordination or doing many changes as well...19:23
annegentleShillaSaebi: It's an intense week but for coordination really just being an organized on-top-of-things person, ya know?19:23
AJaegerI think a couple of hours during release week but also a bit coordination before19:23
annegentleAJaeger: yeah that sounds right19:23
ShillaSaebiI would do it if I could but we have an internal OpenStack summit I am organizing that week at Comcast19:23
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ShillaSaebiHow about we send something to the ML19:24
AJaegerand we don't need to do the release notes AFAIU19:24
annegentleShillaSaebi: nice19:24
annegentleAJaeger: yeah that's a good point about release notes19:24
ShillaSaebiOk that can be my action item19:24
AJaegerShillaSaebi: give that Action item to send the note to loquacities ;)19:24
annegentleShillaSaebi: loquacities should be sending something -- hee AJaeger we think alike19:24
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AJaeger;)19:24
ShillaSaebiok I thought the same thing19:24
ShillaSaebiat the exact same time19:25
ShillaSaebi"wait a min...."19:25
AJaeger;)19:25
annegentlehee hee19:25
ShillaSaebi#action loquacities to send an e-mail to find volunteer for release coordination19:25
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ShillaSaebi#action: loquacities to send an e-mail to find volunteer for release coordination19:26
ShillaSaebiahhh sorry19:26
ShillaSaebi#action loquacities: send an e-mail to find volunteer for release coordination19:27
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ShillaSaebiok i hope that worked19:27
ShillaSaebiit doesnt look like it did19:27
annegentleI thought the first one should have, hmm19:27
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ShillaSaebiok maybe it did19:27
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annegentleShillaSaebi: you can do #undo if you think one should be removed but I think the first is fine19:28
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ShillaSaebi#undo #action: loquacities to send an e-mail to find volunteer for release coordination19:29
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AJaegerlet loquacities send the mail several times, if there's no volunteer directly ;)19:29
ShillaSaebiwoo ok19:29
ShillaSaebiwe should be ok19:30
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ShillaSaebi#undo #action loquacities: send an e-mail to find volunteer for release coordination19:30
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ShillaSaebiok i think i removed 2 out of the 319:30
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ShillaSaebi1 can stay19:30
annegentlecool19:30
annegentle:)19:30
ShillaSaebilearn something new everyday19:31
ShillaSaebiok so lets move along19:31
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ShillaSaebi#topic Open discussion19:31
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ShillaSaebiAs I mentioned, the agenda is kind of short today so if there is anything anyone wants to bring up, feel free to do so now19:31
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annegentleI was gonna ask who all is coming to Austin for the Summit?19:32
ShillaSaebime!19:32
annegentleShillaSaebi: woo!19:33
ShillaSaebiyeah looking forwad to it19:33
annegentleI think I'll be taking the train in every day :)19:33
ShillaSaebithat's awesome19:33
annegentleAJaeger: are you able to come to Austin?19:33
AJaegerannegentle: not yet confirmed - will figure out by next week19:33
annegentleI think we find out about talk proposals next week, yeah?19:33
ShillaSaebiyes19:33
AJaegerannegentle: that as well...19:33
annegentleAJaeger and I have been track chairing, anyone else?19:33
ShillaSaebiThe week of March 7th19:34
ShillaSaebime too19:34
annegentleyeah19:34
annegentlecool what track ShillaSaebi?19:34
ShillaSaebiwe got our stuff finished on Sunday night19:34
ShillaSaebiops track19:34
annegentlewhew!19:34
annegentlethat was huge19:34
* AJaeger How to Contribute19:34
emaganasame here.. for the networking track19:34
annegentlenice19:34
ShillaSaebicool!!19:34
ShillaSaebiI am looking forward to the summit and it's my first time in TX19:34
ShillaSaebiAlthough everyone tells me that Austin is a different world inside TX19:34
emaganasome many good things about Austin that I am looking forward to finding out!19:35
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ShillaSaebidefinitely19:36
annegentleit is ShillaSaebi :)19:36
ShillaSaebi:)19:36
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ShillaSaebianything else anyone wants to bring up?19:36
annegentleI don't have anything else but would like to ask AJaeger a q in #openstack-doc if that's okay :)19:36
ShillaSaebiI must say that I am much more pleased with this new time19:36
AJaegerShillaSaebi: let's vote on that ;)19:36
ShillaSaebithanks for your help with that annegentle19:37
ShillaSaebihahahaha19:37
ShillaSaebiit's up to you AJaeger19:37
ShillaSaebi:)19:37
gmolsonyes - thanks for thew new time!19:37
ShillaSaebiprops to annegentle for spearheading that movement19:37
ShillaSaebialright if nothing else, thanks all for joining19:37
AJaegerLet's finish up...19:37
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AJaegerthanks, ShillaSaebi for chairing!19:37
ShillaSaebianytime have a great week all!19:38
ShillaSaebi#endmeeting19:38
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