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| yamamoto_ | hi | 07:02 |
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| yamamoto_ | #startmeeting networking_midonet | 07:07 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 8 07:07:04 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is yamamoto_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 07:07 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 07:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking_midonet)" | 07:07 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking_midonet' | 07:07 |
| yamamoto_ | #topic Agenda | 07:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Agenda (Meeting topic: networking_midonet)" | 07:07 | |
| yamamoto_ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/NetworkingMidoNet | 07:07 |
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| yamamoto_ | #topic Announcements | 07:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: networking_midonet)" | 07:07 | |
| yamamoto_ | no announcements from me | 07:07 |
| yamamoto_ | #topic Bugs | 07:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: networking_midonet)" | 07:07 | |
| yamamoto_ | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/networking-midonet/ | 07:08 |
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| yamamoto_ | as you may know, the gate is currently broken. | 07:08 |
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| yamamoto_ | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287014/ | 07:09 |
| yamamoto_ | this patch is the blocker. | 07:09 |
| yamamoto_ | if it won't be merged in a timely manner, we can workaround by folding multiple fixes into a single patch, though. | 07:10 |
| yamamoto_ | i'll continue bug deputy as usual | 07:11 |
| yamamoto_ | #topic Open Discussion | 07:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: networking_midonet)" | 07:11 | |
| yamamoto_ | nothing from me. | 07:11 |
| * yamamoto_ waiting for a while before closing the meeting | 07:12 | |
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| yamamoto_ | let's call it a day. | 07:15 |
| yamamoto_ | bye! | 07:15 |
| yamamoto_ | #endmeeting | 07:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 07:15 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 8 07:15:05 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 07:15 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_midonet/2016/networking_midonet.2016-03-08-07.07.html | 07:15 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_midonet/2016/networking_midonet.2016-03-08-07.07.txt | 07:15 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking_midonet/2016/networking_midonet.2016-03-08-07.07.log.html | 07:15 |
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| anteaya | #startmeeting third-party | 08:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 8 08:01:15 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 08:01 |
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| anteaya | hello | 08:01 |
| lennyb__ | hi | 08:01 |
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| anteaya | hi lennyb__ | 08:02 |
| anteaya | how are you today? | 08:02 |
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| lennyb__ | I am fine, fighting with Ironic:). how are you? | 08:02 |
| anteaya | I'm fine, not fighting with ironic | 08:03 |
| anteaya | :) | 08:03 |
| anteaya | what are you doing with ironic? | 08:03 |
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| lennyb__ | we are working on some features over our hardware, so CI is a very important phase. But currently I am trying to get my ironic tempest pass | 08:04 |
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| anteaya | you are working on a ci for ironic? | 08:05 |
| lennyb__ | eventually yes. | 08:05 |
| anteaya | nice | 08:06 |
| anteaya | do you have to meet their current deadlines? | 08:06 |
| anteaya | I think their deadlines are for current drivers | 08:06 |
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| lennyb__ | I've noticed that there is only cisco CI as third party. I am not sure that we will meet the deadlines. | 08:08 |
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| lennyb__ | we are still working on solutions that will satisfy community and our HW :) | 08:08 |
| anteaya | are you in conversation with ironic about the deadlines? | 08:08 |
| anteaya | I'm sorry I didn't know earlier you were putting together an ironic ci | 08:09 |
| anteaya | we could have talked about the deadlines | 08:09 |
| anteaya | this round the deadline was basically create a gerrit account and have it report to the sandbox | 08:09 |
| anteaya | you could have finished it in about 30 minutes | 08:10 |
| anteaya | the report to the sandbox didnt' need to be automated that I saw | 08:10 |
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| anteaya | but the deadline for doing this was m3 which has passed | 08:10 |
| anteaya | this deadline wasn't about having a system in place it was about interacting with the community | 08:11 |
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| lennyb__ | I see. There is always a newer version of openstack :). | 08:12 |
| anteaya | yes | 08:12 |
| anteaya | that is the point of our release cycle | 08:12 |
| anteaya | we are always working on a release | 08:12 |
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| lennyb__ | btw, do I need a new gerrit account for Ironic CI or I can use 'one for all' ? | 08:13 |
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| anteaya | that is a question you would need to ask them | 08:14 |
| anteaya | have you talked to anyone in ironic? | 08:14 |
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| lennyb__ | ok. not yet, I've talked to them about the issues I had. | 08:14 |
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| anteaya | oh? | 08:15 |
| lennyb__ | I also cant 'ask' for CI yet, since our setup not working yet. | 08:15 |
| anteaya | to whom did you speak? | 08:15 |
| anteaya | that is not the point | 08:15 |
| anteaya | the point of the ironic deadline was for you to interect with the ironic team | 08:16 |
| anteaya | so they knew who you are and what you are doing | 08:16 |
| anteaya | having a working setup is not the expectation at this point | 08:16 |
| anteaya | ensuring ironic knows you exist is the point | 08:16 |
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| lennyb__ | I see. I asked questions in irc and got some answers. I did not introduce myself 'properly' | 08:17 |
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| anteaya | please introduce yourself | 08:17 |
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| anteaya | tell them who you are and what you are wanting to do | 08:18 |
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| anteaya | so they can know about you and tell you what you need | 08:18 |
| anteaya | are you in the ironic channel? | 08:18 |
| lennyb__ | yeap, | 08:19 |
| anteaya | well that is good | 08:19 |
| anteaya | I'm glad to hear that | 08:19 |
| anteaya | well mrda is in the ironic channel, or was a short time ago | 08:19 |
| anteaya | introduce yourself to him | 08:20 |
| anteaya | his time zone would overlap yours | 08:20 |
| lennyb__ | ok, thanks. | 08:20 |
| anteaya | I'm sorry I didn't know this before | 08:20 |
| anteaya | I would have encouraged you to contact them before the deadline | 08:20 |
| lennyb__ | you couldn't we started to work on ironic only recently | 08:20 |
| anteaya | oh you don't have a current driver in ironic? | 08:21 |
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| lennyb__ | we suppose to work with ironic 'as is' we have some patches to support our HW, but it's not 'baked' yet | 08:22 |
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| anteaya | I don't understand | 08:23 |
| anteaya | do you have code in ironic master currently? | 08:23 |
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| lennyb__ | not yet | 08:23 |
| anteaya | okay thank you | 08:24 |
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| anteaya | well in that case it might be that the current deadline doesn't apply to you | 08:24 |
| anteaya | but make contact with ironic without delay and find out | 08:24 |
| lennyb__ | ok | 08:25 |
| anteaya | okay thanks | 08:25 |
| anteaya | and I hope your testing goes well | 08:25 |
| lennyb__ | thanks. | 08:25 |
| anteaya | is there anything you would like to talk about today? | 08:26 |
| lennyb__ | nope | 08:26 |
| anteaya | okay | 08:26 |
| anteaya | did you read the logs from the monday 15:00 utc meeting? | 08:26 |
| lennyb__ | not yet, | 08:27 |
| anteaya | we talked about ensuring operators read their email and reply in person to patches if need be | 08:27 |
| anteaya | and we talked about a memory leak issue with zuul | 08:27 |
| anteaya | do you run zuul? | 08:27 |
| lennyb__ | I've seen email regarding zuul, yes I am running it | 08:27 |
| anteaya | have you seen any memory leak issues? | 08:28 |
| lennyb__ | no, but I also wasnt looking for it | 08:28 |
| anteaya | what version of zuul are you running? | 08:29 |
| lennyb__ | 2.1.1.dev121 | 08:29 |
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| anteaya | can you see how much memory it is using? | 08:30 |
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| * lennyb__ checking | 08:30 | |
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| lennyb__ | 1872604 kb | 08:34 |
| anteaya | wow | 08:35 |
| anteaya | well done | 08:35 |
| anteaya | what else can you tell me about your zuul setup | 08:36 |
| anteaya | how often do you restart zuul? | 08:36 |
| lennyb__ | looks like it was restarted recenly | 08:36 |
| anteaya | oh | 08:36 |
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| anteaya | do you know how long ago it was restarted? | 08:37 |
| anteaya | and have you any idea who restarted it? | 08:37 |
| anteaya | how many people administer your ci system? | 08:37 |
| lennyb__ | basically I restarted it once a week. Only me is working with it | 08:37 |
| anteaya | how long ago did you restart it? | 08:38 |
| anteaya | and why do you restart it once a week? | 08:38 |
| lennyb__ | My manager can also work on CI in cases where I am not available. In cases that there are some failures and I am not sure what it is, I am stopping CI, debugging the issue and starting it again | 08:39 |
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| anteaya | what was happening that you started restarting zuul weekly | 08:40 |
| anteaya | it is possible the zuul memory leak is affecting you | 08:42 |
| lennyb__ | it's statistics. I am not 'schedule' this. and more like once every 2 weeks. I can 'check' if you are interested | 08:42 |
| anteaya | I'm interested | 08:42 |
| anteaya | you don't have to do it now | 08:42 |
| lennyb__ | ok, | 08:43 |
| anteaya | but yes we are gathering information from as many folks running zuul as wel can | 08:43 |
| anteaya | because we still are trying to understand where the leak is happening | 08:43 |
| anteaya | so thank you | 08:43 |
| lennyb__ | np | 08:43 |
| anteaya | if you are able to post to the mailing list thread about the zuul memory leak on the infra mailing list that would be wonderful | 08:44 |
| anteaya | thanks | 08:44 |
| anteaya | so that's all I have | 08:44 |
| anteaya | any objection to me closing the meeting? | 08:44 |
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| lennyb__ | ok, no, have a good rest of the night | 08:44 |
| anteaya | thanks | 08:44 |
| anteaya | enjoy your day | 08:44 |
| anteaya | see you next week | 08:45 |
| anteaya | #endmeeting | 08:45 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 8 08:45:05 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-03-08-08.01.html | 08:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-03-08-08.01.txt | 08:45 |
| lennyb__ | you too | 08:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-03-08-08.01.log.html | 08:45 |
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| alex_xu | #startmeeting nova api | 12:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 8 12:00:03 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is alex_xu. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova api)" | 12:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova_api' | 12:00 |
| alex_xu | who is here today? | 12:00 |
| jichen | o/ | 12:00 |
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| Kevin_Zheng | o/ | 12:00 |
| gmann_ | hi | 12:00 |
| * johnthetubaguy lurking | 12:00 | |
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| cdent | o/ | 12:01 |
| alex_xu | sorry, I didn't cleanup the agenda | 12:01 |
| alex_xu | I think we can go to the open direct today | 12:01 |
| alex_xu | #topic open | 12:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open (Meeting topic: nova api)" | 12:01 | |
| alex_xu | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1554440 | 12:02 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1554440 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Show volume attachment exception does not looks good if server is in shelved_offloaded state" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Ghanshyam Mann (ghanshyammann) | 12:02 |
| alex_xu | gmann_: I think this is yours | 12:02 |
| gmann_ | ok | 12:02 |
| gmann_ | alex_xu: yea actually while implementing microversion tests 2.20 in tempest i saw this issue | 12:02 |
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| alex_xu | gmann_: so good we have microversion test in tempest now | 12:03 |
| gmann_ | I wanted to confirm 2 thing- 1. 'device' in volume attachments can be null any time? | 12:03 |
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| gmann_ | alex_xu: sdague yea i updated patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/258391/24 | 12:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | so device has lots of issues, as its only really a guess | 12:03 |
| sdague | gmann_: I'll put that on my review list | 12:03 |
| gmann_ | sdague: Thanks | 12:04 |
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| gmann_ | sdague: also bases patches, hanging long | 12:04 |
| gmann_ | those are for putting all microversion stuff in /lib | 12:04 |
| allen_gao | sdague: would you look at this ? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/289822/ | 12:05 |
| gmann_ | sdague: alex_xu any time mountppoint can be null - https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/api/openstack/compute/volumes.py#L223 | 12:05 |
| alex_xu | allen_gao: would you mind wait a minutes, let's finish gmann_'s agenda first | 12:05 |
| gmann_ | sdague: alex_xu because in tempest, we expect 'device' to be always present in response | 12:05 |
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| allen_gao | alex_xu: sorry | 12:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | so honestly, I think both are wrong | 12:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | kinda | 12:06 |
| gmann_ | sdague: I saw those for shelved offload case | 12:06 |
| alex_xu | allen_gao: no worries :) | 12:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | the API should really have some sort of "empty" value | 12:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | but that is a new microversion | 12:06 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so the tempest test should make that optional, in the mean time | 12:06 |
| johnthetubaguy | ... I think | 12:06 |
| gmann_ | johnthetubaguy: but other than shelved offload state, can it be for any other state? | 12:07 |
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| gmann_ | for v2.1 tempest expect it as mandatory and non none | 12:07 |
| tojuvone | hi, I am here. as of compute API docs | 12:07 |
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| gmann_ | while doing for v2.20 testing i got doubt on those | 12:08 |
| johnthetubaguy | gmann_: I suspect also during the attach, but I am not sure | 12:08 |
| gmann_ | from nova code those can be absent or None but do not know scenario | 12:08 |
| gmann_ | #link https://github.com/openstack/tempest/blob/master/tempest/lib/api_schema/response/compute/v2_1/servers.py#L270-L275 | 12:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | seems like device is optional: https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/compute/api.py#L3132 | 12:09 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, device is optional in the API | 12:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref-compute-v2.1.html#attachVolume | 12:10 |
| johnthetubaguy | when you do attach | 12:10 |
| gmann_ | johnthetubaguy: yea and for virt nova does not honor eve if that is passed | 12:11 |
| gmann_ | johnthetubaguy: but will it be optional in response too, i think while booting instance it gets mounted | 12:11 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, that | 12:11 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so I think its optional in the API, how we display that, is probably bad | 12:12 |
| johnthetubaguy | not sure if that helps | 12:12 |
| gmann_ | humm | 12:12 |
| gmann_ | sdague: johnthetubaguy in that case, we might need to make this optional in tempest schema validation too | 12:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | sounds like the tempest tests are wrong here, and the API is badly designed, as it shouldn't really hide the device like that | 12:13 |
| gmann_ | yea | 12:13 |
| johnthetubaguy | yep, I think thats what I am saying here, needs to be optional | 12:13 |
| gmann_ | johnthetubaguy: ok, Thanks i will change that | 12:14 |
| sdague | gmann_: sure, the schemas in tempest were best effort by oomichi, they weren't official from nova | 12:14 |
| sdague | they very well could be wrong | 12:14 |
| gmann_ | sdague: yea | 12:14 |
| gmann_ | sdague: johnthetubaguy alex_xu second issue is - https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1554440 | 12:14 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1554440 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Show volume attachment exception does not looks good if server is in shelved_offloaded state" [High,Triaged] - Assigned to Ghanshyam Mann (ghanshyammann) | 12:14 |
| gmann_ | not sure though bug or ok | 12:14 |
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| gmann_ | for shelved offload state, mount point will always be none and show attachment trow exception Not Found | 12:15 |
| gmann_ | #link https://github.com/openstack/nova/blob/master/nova/api/openstack/compute/volumes.py#L289 | 12:15 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I think we should return the attachment | 12:15 |
| gmann_ | at least for shelved offload it should just ignore mount point and show response | 12:15 |
| johnthetubaguy | logically the volume is "attached", just the device is missing as its not yet been physically attached | 12:16 |
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| johnthetubaguy | its bad to have list inconsistent | 12:16 |
| alex_xu | so let return None for no mount point? | 12:16 |
| gmann_ | yea, on unselve that will be attached | 12:16 |
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| gmann_ | alex_xu: yea None or just not add like list | 12:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | you want it to appear, to check your API call to attach "happened" I think | 12:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, it should match the list operation, for now, I think | 12:17 |
| alex_xu | +1 | 12:17 |
| johnthetubaguy | this feels like a bug fix, rather than a microversion, but it feels a little boarderline | 12:18 |
| alex_xu | I'm ok without microversion | 12:18 |
| gmann_ | johnthetubaguy: +1 for as bug fix | 12:18 |
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| gmann_ | and that fix for all version i mean not just for v2.20 right? | 12:18 |
| gmann_ | i mean like list, if no mount point then just do not include 'Device' | 12:19 |
| alex_xu | I'm also think of only fix for v2.20, that sounds like more safe, if we think this is borderline | 12:19 |
| johnthetubaguy | include device? I thought we were talking about stopping the 404? | 12:20 |
| johnthetubaguy | ah, sorry, missread I think | 12:20 |
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| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: yea, stop the 404 in 2.20 | 12:20 |
| gmann_ | johnthetubaguy: not include if None same as list | 12:21 |
| gmann_ | alex_xu: but for older version also it is bit inconsistent | 12:21 |
| gmann_ | it is 404 -> 200, should not be issue | 12:21 |
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| johnthetubaguy | that sounds reasonable to me, easier once we have the change up, and think through it | 12:22 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: you mean fix it in all versions? | 12:23 |
| gmann_ | johnthetubaguy: sounds good. I will put patch up early tomorrow. then we can discuss more | 12:23 |
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| johnthetubaguy | possibly fix in all versions, I think its easier to get the code up so we can see the impact | 12:24 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: ok, cool | 12:24 |
| alex_xu | so let's move on | 12:24 |
| gmann_ | yea | 12:25 |
| alex_xu | allen_gao: I think your problem resolved, sdague already +2 your patch | 12:25 |
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| alex_xu | tojuvone: your turn | 12:26 |
| tojuvone | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-api-site/+bug/1554052 | 12:26 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1554052 in openstack-api-site "os-services missing from compute API v2.1" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Tomi Juvonen (tomi-juvonen-q) | 12:26 |
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| tojuvone | So, os-services missing and also was wondering how it is with microversions. Should those api changes also be there? | 12:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | so right now, that doc is only documenting v2.1 (the base version), I think | 12:27 |
| alex_xu | tojuvone: sorry, we don't support microversion in the api-site yet | 12:27 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, what alex_xu said | 12:27 |
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| alex_xu | yea, I think we try to figure out in newton, maybe we will have swagger support | 12:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | now, os-services, was that there before | 12:28 |
| tojuvone | ok, hope there is nothing else then missing than this os-services, I can continue to look this | 12:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: we really, really have to fix that next cycle | 12:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | tojuvone: I though we added a load back in there, did this get dropped somehow? | 12:28 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: yea, otherwise we got another big gap between doc and api | 12:28 |
| johnthetubaguy | thought^ | 12:28 |
| alex_xu | yea, for now, I think we just need load it back | 12:29 |
| tojuvone | I found some work from jichenjc, maybe I can contact him (where I think this was removed) | 12:29 |
| gmann_ | yea, may be misplaced during some updates :) | 12:30 |
| tojuvone | ok, well I look it and good to know the microversion stuff | 12:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think annegentle pinged my about some removals | 12:30 |
| alex_xu | tojuvone: yea, jichen help a lot of on that | 12:30 |
| jichen | tojuvone:I am here | 12:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | we should really make sure there are no removals vs v2.0 | 12:30 |
| johnthetubaguy | I did go back a few months back and double check everything, and added a few back in | 12:31 |
| johnthetubaguy | seems we somehow lost some | 12:31 |
| jichen | tojuvone: I didn't remove service related , as far as I remember .. | 12:31 |
| allen_gao | alex_xu: yea, thank you ;) | 12:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | so I seem some stuff in here: | 12:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | https://github.com/openstack/api-site/commit/2daa7d811b59020c0c5e16137a1f65ec5fa26b73 | 12:32 |
| johnthetubaguy | this one totally makes sense: https://github.com/openstack/api-site/commit/5feaeccde67655db32e64ab408b2a108fbfe5824 | 12:32 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so I guess its where we had added microversion stuff in? | 12:33 |
| johnthetubaguy | those removals seem correct | 12:33 |
| tojuvone | johnthetubaguy: yes, that is microversion | 12:33 |
| jichen | oops, yes, that's made by me | 12:33 |
| jichen | sorry, I forgot this | 12:33 |
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| alex_xu | that won't remove all the os-service doc I guess? | 12:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | jichen: no worries, you have been very busy :) | 12:34 |
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| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: it looks like the existing things are still there, but I am not 100% sure | 12:34 |
| tojuvone | but then there was change on ch_compute-v2.1.xml | 12:34 |
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| johnthetubaguy | ah... | 12:34 |
| johnthetubaguy | so that sounds bad | 12:34 |
| tojuvone | yes, I think os-services-v2.1.wadl is good | 12:35 |
| alex_xu | emm...ok | 12:35 |
| alex_xu | anyway let's add os-services back | 12:35 |
| gmann_ | yea | 12:35 |
| tojuvone | then some api sample was missing after I tried to fix ch_compute-v2.1.xml | 12:35 |
| tojuvone | yep, no need to go further here ;) | 12:35 |
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| alex_xu | tojuvone: if you still have trouble, free to ping me | 12:35 |
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| alex_xu | so I think we can move on | 12:36 |
| * gmann_ curious about api sample missing | 12:36 | |
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| alex_xu | Kevin_Zheng: you have think want to discuss right? | 12:36 |
| Kevin_Zheng | yes | 12:36 |
| Kevin_Zheng | I want to raise a topic | 12:36 |
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| Kevin_Zheng | http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref-compute-v2.1.html#createServer | 12:37 |
| johnthetubaguy | tojuvone: alex_xu: sounds like we all agree on the direction for the docs, so thats the main bits, I guess | 12:37 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: yup | 12:37 |
| tojuvone | johnthetubaguy: yep | 12:37 |
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| Kevin_Zheng | here, we clarified twice about the length limit of injected file content | 12:37 |
| Kevin_Zheng | The maximum limit refers to the number of bytes in the decoded data and not to the number of characters in the encoded data. | 12:38 |
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| Kevin_Zheng | and The file path and contents, text only, to inject into the server at launch. The maximum size of the file path data is 255 bytes. The maximum limit is The number of allowed bytes in the decoded, rather than encoded, data. | 12:38 |
| Kevin_Zheng | the second one is in the chart of create instance parameters | 12:38 |
| Kevin_Zheng | but in the code: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/nova/tree/nova/compute/api.py#n270 | 12:39 |
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| Kevin_Zheng | we are actually checking the base64 encoded data directly | 12:39 |
| Kevin_Zheng | data length will grow after base64 encode | 12:39 |
| Kevin_Zheng | for example 7680 bytes will grow to 10240 | 12:40 |
| Kevin_Zheng | user will have to determain the length of data after encode | 12:40 |
| Kevin_Zheng | and it is inconstant | 12:40 |
| Kevin_Zheng | What should we do? | 12:41 |
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| johnthetubaguy | I think the max has to be on what is input to the API, I think, isn't that correct here? | 12:41 |
| Kevin_Zheng | sorry inconsistant | 12:41 |
| Kevin_Zheng | yes it is, but the doc writes it should be decoded data | 12:41 |
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| Kevin_Zheng | and it will be harder for user to determain the data length after encode | 12:42 |
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| johnthetubaguy | so what does the user pass to the API, its the encoded data, I thought? | 12:43 |
| johnthetubaguy | or is that wrong? | 12:43 |
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| Kevin_Zheng | yes user should pass encoded data | 12:43 |
| alex_xu | yes, user padd to the API with encoded data | 12:43 |
| alex_xu | s/padd/pass... | 12:43 |
| Kevin_Zheng | but for example, using novaclient, | 12:43 |
| Kevin_Zheng | user pass a file to client | 12:44 |
| Kevin_Zheng | client will encode the content | 12:44 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yes, agreed | 12:44 |
| Kevin_Zheng | user will not know the length after encode | 12:44 |
| alex_xu | I guess Kevin_Zheng's point is from end-user which use UI or CLI | 12:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | its the rest API point of view that should be taken here | 12:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | although I am wondering how this has been "wrong" for so long | 12:45 |
| Kevin_Zheng | I think it is not user friendly to let them calculate the encoded length | 12:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | so, the question here is what does the API actually do today | 12:46 |
| Kevin_Zheng | as show the file size will be pretty simple | 12:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | now, we might want to change that, but that is a breaking API change | 12:46 |
| Kevin_Zheng | it checkes the content directly | 12:46 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: agree | 12:46 |
| Kevin_Zheng | yes, as the current allowed size is smaller than the actual limit | 12:47 |
| Kevin_Zheng | the current existed users will not be affected | 12:47 |
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| alex_xu | no, if user talk with two clouds with fix or without fix, this is breaking without microversion | 12:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | right | 12:48 |
| gmann_ | yea, interoperability can be issue | 12:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | well, actually, its a bit more odd | 12:48 |
| Kevin_Zheng | so, should we fix this? | 12:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | you need to list your quotas to work out what is allowed | 12:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | Kevin_Zheng: we should fix the docs, so they are correct, for sure | 12:48 |
| Kevin_Zheng | adding microversion | 12:48 |
| Kevin_Zheng | so we fix doc, not the code? | 12:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | step 1: fix docs | 12:49 |
| Kevin_Zheng | but it will be less user friendly | 12:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | step 2: decide if we want to change newer microversions to be more friendly | 12:49 |
| johnthetubaguy | noting the old behaviour can't chnage | 12:49 |
| alex_xu | +1 | 12:49 |
| Kevin_Zheng | so change the doc to encoded data? | 12:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | we can have a newton spec to discuss this | 12:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | Kevin_Zheng: make sure the docs match the current/existing behaviour, yes | 12:50 |
| Kevin_Zheng | OK, I will do that | 12:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | we should really be sure to add some tests around this | 12:50 |
| Kevin_Zheng | Hmm | 12:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | I do worry if we changed this behaviour by accident at some point | 12:51 |
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| alex_xu | yes | 12:51 |
| alex_xu | Kevin_Zheng: is this ok for you? | 12:51 |
| Kevin_Zheng | yes, I will do it | 12:52 |
| alex_xu | Kevin_Zheng: cool, thanks | 12:52 |
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| Kevin_Zheng | Another question, can we add the support for "locked" filter when list servers? | 12:52 |
| Kevin_Zheng | currently we can only got the information using show API | 12:53 |
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| Kevin_Zheng | it will take forever to check all instances | 12:53 |
| alex_xu | Kevin_Zheng: sounds ok, but I think we can decided that by spec | 12:53 |
| Kevin_Zheng | Hm, sure | 12:53 |
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| johnthetubaguy | don't you get that with the show details api? | 12:54 |
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| gmann_ | Kevin_Zheng: show detail shows that in v2.9 | 12:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | I am wondering why we need it int the regular list | 12:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | gmann_: ah... | 12:54 |
| Kevin_Zheng | I will check that | 12:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, it feels like being in the detail list is the correct thing for locked | 12:54 |
| gmann_ | i feel list should not show all | 12:55 |
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| Kevin_Zheng | I mean we add a filter | 12:55 |
| gmann_ | johnthetubaguy: yea it is in show and detail list both | 12:55 |
| Kevin_Zheng | to filter out all the locked instances | 12:55 |
| johnthetubaguy | gmann_: yeah, that seems correct | 12:55 |
| Kevin_Zheng | like deleted | 12:55 |
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| Kevin_Zheng | I will check that | 12:55 |
| johnthetubaguy | Kevin_Zheng: a filter seems OK, its worth a spec to add that in a microversion | 12:56 |
| gmann_ | cannot that be done with regex, not sure though how exact that will be | 12:56 |
| Kevin_Zheng | johnthetubaguy: hm, I will do that | 12:56 |
| Kevin_Zheng | Thanks all | 12:56 |
| alex_xu | emm...sorry guys, 4 mins left. actually I want to talk about meeting time change | 12:57 |
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| alex_xu | just oomichi can't make this meeting, due to the meeting is 4:00 am for him | 12:57 |
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| gmann_ | alex_xu: ohh | 12:57 |
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| johnthetubaguy | it does feel like we should alternate meeting times | 12:58 |
| alex_xu | so is there any propose for the time, I check the date, I founds really hard find one to propose | 12:58 |
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| johnthetubaguy | maybe its worth a quick doodle poll, or similar? | 12:58 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: emm...that also good idea | 12:58 |
| cdent | doodle++ | 12:58 |
| gmann_ | yea | 12:58 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: yea, just found really hard find out a initial propose time :) | 12:58 |
| johnthetubaguy | maybe pick four times (possibly just think about mirroring the nova meeting times on a different day) | 12:58 |
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| alex_xu | ok, let me try again, I will take care of this. | 12:59 |
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| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: if it helps its 1pm for me right now | 12:59 |
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| johnthetubaguy | alex_xu: I can try help with ideas, ping me if I can help | 12:59 |
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| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: not sure it is ok for gmann_ | 13:00 |
| alex_xu | johnthetubaguy: thanks :) | 13:00 |
| alex_xu | soorry, it's time to close the meeting | 13:00 |
| gmann_ | alex_xu: need to check JST | 13:00 |
| alex_xu | anyway, thanks all! | 13:00 |
| alex_xu | #endmeeting | 13:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 8 13:00:52 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2016/nova_api.2016-03-08-12.00.html | 13:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2016/nova_api.2016-03-08-12.00.txt | 13:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova_api/2016/nova_api.2016-03-08-12.00.log.html | 13:00 |
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| gmann_ | Thansk all | 13:01 |
| haiwei | hi | 13:01 |
| Qiming | #startmeeting senlin | 13:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 8 13:01:47 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Qiming. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: senlin)" | 13:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'senlin' | 13:01 |
| Qiming | halo | 13:01 |
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| haiwei | hi | 13:02 |
| zzxwill | Hello. | 13:02 |
| yanyanhu | hello | 13:02 |
| elynn | o/ | 13:02 |
| Qiming | got some problems updating the meeting agenda page | 13:02 |
| Qiming | sorry | 13:02 |
| Qiming | also got a note from xinhui, she won't be able to join us today, because of some company activities ... parties? | 13:02 |
| Qiming | anyway, let's get started | 13:02 |
| yanyanhu | also can't access it even with proxy | 13:03 |
| Qiming | #topic mitaka work items | 13:03 |
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| yanyanhu | :) | 13:03 |
| Qiming | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/senlin-mitaka-workitems | 13:03 |
| haiwei | me too | 13:03 |
| Qiming | great, site is down, :), not my fault | 13:03 |
| Qiming | I was trying to reach xujun about scalability testing, but haven't got a response yet | 13:04 |
| Qiming | need an update from bran on stress testing | 13:04 |
| yanyanhu | yes, he is not here I think | 13:04 |
| Qiming | I myself spent some time on studying tempest | 13:04 |
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| Qiming | seems tempest is still the way to do api tests, but the code is suggested to live closer to individual projects | 13:05 |
| Qiming | so even we start work on that, we are not supposed to commit to tempest directly, will need to confirm this | 13:05 |
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| yanyanhu | ok | 13:06 |
| haiwei | only some core projects' function test are remained in tempest | 13:06 |
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| Qiming | if the code is to be commited to senlin, then we are still expected to use tempest lib | 13:06 |
| Qiming | tempest lib was a separate project, but recently it has been merged back to tempest | 13:06 |
| Qiming | ... a lot things happen every day | 13:06 |
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| Qiming | haiwei, it will be good if some one from NEC can help explain to us the right direction to go | 13:07 |
| haiwei | you want to add API test? | 13:07 |
| Qiming | I know you have some guys active on that | 13:07 |
| haiwei | yes | 13:07 |
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| Qiming | we are also teaching us the right way to do stress tests | 13:08 |
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| Qiming | api test, stress test and scenario test were all scope of tempest before | 13:08 |
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| haiwei | like I have said in mid-cycle, there is some thing called tempest external plugin | 13:08 |
| Qiming | but I don't know the current situation | 13:08 |
| Qiming | okay, then that is the direction to go for api test | 13:08 |
| Qiming | any idea about stress tests? | 13:09 |
| haiwei | the tempest external plugin is something for scenario test | 13:09 |
| Qiming | are we supposed to invent our own wheel? | 13:09 |
| Qiming | scenario test is different from api tests | 13:09 |
| haiwei | for stress test, not heard it before | 13:09 |
| haiwei | I am not sure if tempest supports it | 13:09 |
| Qiming | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/tempest/tree/tempest/README.rst | 13:09 |
| Qiming | line 24 is about api test | 13:10 |
| Qiming | line 39 is about scenario | 13:10 |
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| Qiming | line 50 is about stress test | 13:10 |
| haiwei | oh, saw it | 13:10 |
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| haiwei | ok, I will ask the tempest guys tomorrow | 13:10 |
| Qiming | not sure that is still the consensus | 13:10 |
| haiwei | or ask him to join Senlin IRC | 13:11 |
| Qiming | if we don't get an answer from them, we have to ask on -dev list | 13:11 |
| haiwei | yes | 13:11 |
| Qiming | okay, either way works | 13:11 |
| Qiming | yanyanhu is still on functional test? | 13:11 |
| Qiming | saw some patches about profile level support to updates | 13:12 |
| yanyanhu | yes. but basic support is almost done | 13:12 |
| Qiming | great | 13:12 |
| Qiming | api surface test is important | 13:12 |
| yanyanhu | yea, that's what I hoped to do, but met some issues | 13:12 |
| Qiming | those are supposed to test how the service fails in addition to how it succeeds | 13:13 |
| yanyanhu | that I don't know how to address | 13:13 |
| Qiming | okay, maybe we need some experts in this field | 13:13 |
| yanyanhu | yes, we need to cover failure cases as well | 13:13 |
| Qiming | testing is supposed to be our focus in the coming weeks | 13:13 |
| Qiming | next, health management | 13:14 |
| Qiming | we have a basic version of health manager and a basic health policy | 13:14 |
| Qiming | need some tests on them to make sure they work, so that at least we can remove line 16 | 13:14 |
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| Qiming | lb based health detection, yanyanhu do you know the progress? | 13:15 |
| yanyanhu | it's done I think | 13:15 |
| yanyanhu | oh, sorry | 13:15 |
| yanyanhu | you mean health detection | 13:15 |
| Qiming | health monitor support part is done | 13:15 |
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| yanyanhu | not sure about it. Just ensure the HM support in lb policy works now | 13:16 |
| Qiming | we need a poller to check it, right? | 13:16 |
| yanyanhu | yep | 13:16 |
| yanyanhu | yes, I think so | 13:16 |
| yanyanhu | the poller need to check the health status of pool member | 13:16 |
| yanyanhu | to decide whether it is active or not | 13:17 |
| Qiming | yesterday, I noticed there have been some talks about HA in this channel, it turns out to be a HA team meeting | 13:17 |
| Qiming | yanyanhu, that is already good because we don't have to check individual nodes | 13:17 |
| yanyanhu | yes | 13:18 |
| Qiming | in that meeting, I gave people a quick update on senlin, what it is doing on HA | 13:18 |
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| Qiming | hopefully, we can work with more people on this to solve some real concerns from enterprise users | 13:18 |
| Qiming | this will also be one of the subtopic in lixinhui's summit presentation | 13:19 |
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| Qiming | she is working very hard on that, yesterday, she was working at 11pm ... | 13:19 |
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| yanyanhu | hard worker :) | 13:19 |
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| Qiming | hope we can have some thing to share soon | 13:20 |
| yanyanhu | she is back from party I think | 13:20 |
| lixinhui_ | yes... | 13:20 |
| Qiming | basic problem is about neutron, lbaas and octavia integration | 13:20 |
| cschulz | Spoke with Marco on HA back a bit. He said that simple restart of failed node was probably place to start. | 13:20 |
| lixinhui_ | sorry for late... | 13:20 |
| Qiming | thanks, cschulz, for the input | 13:20 |
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| Qiming | we are wondering if recovery should be really automated | 13:21 |
| lixinhui_ | nice to catch this | 13:21 |
| Qiming | there were some proponents on auto-recovery, not matter what the "recover" operation is | 13:21 |
| Qiming | we can dig on that when we have some basic working code | 13:22 |
| cschulz | I agree that recover is a process that could be different for different customers. | 13:22 |
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| Qiming | customizability is always desired, however, we have to control the degree to which we want it to be customizable | 13:23 |
| yanyanhu | it really depends on the use case I think. Especially whether the app/service deployed in VM can restore automatically after restarting | 13:23 |
| Qiming | I was thinking of the standby cluster support | 13:24 |
| cschulz | Yes maybe we should have a list of common recovery procedures initially | 13:24 |
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| Qiming | having a standby cluster will speed up 'auto-scaling' and 'recovery' | 13:24 |
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| Qiming | but it will waste some resources for sure, :) | 13:24 |
| cschulz | Depending on the accounting process, it may waste a lot of $ | 13:25 |
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| yanyanhu | some nodes with role of 'backup' | 13:25 |
| Qiming | for nova servers, we can do reboot, rebuild, evacuate, recreate | 13:25 |
| Qiming | in some cases, you will need fencing | 13:26 |
| Qiming | there is no fencing API on openstack, which means, fencing has to be a per-device-model thing | 13:26 |
| cschulz | Yes and in some cases there will be a cluster manager to get informed. | 13:26 |
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| Qiming | exactly, we need a division of the problem domain, work out solutions step by step | 13:27 |
| Qiming | starting from the basics | 13:27 |
| Qiming | how about an etherpad for this? | 13:28 |
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| lixinhui_ | okay | 13:28 |
| cschulz | OK | 13:28 |
| lixinhui_ | will get one up for this discussion | 13:28 |
| Qiming | that way we can collect many inputs | 13:28 |
| Qiming | thanks, lixinhui_ | 13:28 |
| Qiming | let's move on | 13:28 |
| lixinhui_ | :) | 13:28 |
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| Qiming | documentation will be my main focus in the coming weeks | 13:29 |
| Qiming | documenting use cases and the design of policies | 13:29 |
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| Qiming | end-to-end autoscaling story | 13:29 |
| Qiming | I think xinhui is working on one | 13:30 |
| lixinhui_ | I am prototyping this | 13:30 |
| Qiming | https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/summit-schedule/events/7469 | 13:30 |
| lixinhui_ | still some problem with neutron lbaas v2 | 13:30 |
| Qiming | congrat's on your talk being accepted | 13:30 |
| lixinhui_ | thanks for wisdom from all of you | 13:30 |
| Qiming | lixinhui_, any specifics we can help? | 13:31 |
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| lixinhui_ | Thanks for suggestions on alarm side from you and yanyanhu | 13:31 |
| yanyanhu | lixinhui_, can ceilometer generate samples of lbaas v2 pool correctly? | 13:31 |
| lixinhui_ | accoring to my trial based half month ago | 13:32 |
| lixinhui_ | it works | 13:32 |
| lixinhui_ | but recently | 13:32 |
| yanyanhu | nice! | 13:32 |
| lixinhui_ | neutron can not | 13:32 |
| lixinhui_ | create lbaas v2 loadbalancer successfully | 13:32 |
| lixinhui_ | always "pending to create" | 13:32 |
| yanyanhu | a new bug? | 13:33 |
| lixinhui_ | I am blocked by this problem | 13:33 |
| lixinhui_ | need to search more | 13:33 |
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| Qiming | ah, I see, let's spend some time together tomorrow on this | 13:33 |
| yanyanhu | I recalled I met similar issue before, when using lbaas v1 | 13:33 |
| Qiming | seems to me like a VM creation problem | 13:33 |
| yanyanhu | it was caused by incorrect haproxy configuration | 13:33 |
| lixinhui_ | Thanks in advance | 13:33 |
| Qiming | okay, will be online for this tomorrow | 13:34 |
| yanyanhu | basically, the driver of lbaas didn't work correctly | 13:34 |
| Qiming | next, profile for container support | 13:34 |
| yanyanhu | not sure whether this is the problem you met | 13:34 |
| Qiming | the profile part is easy ... | 13:34 |
| Qiming | the difficult part is about scheduling | 13:34 |
| Qiming | when we have new containers to create, we have to specify a 'host' for it | 13:35 |
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| Qiming | (let's pretend we don't have network/storage problems at the moment) | 13:35 |
| haiwei | you will start containers on vms? | 13:35 |
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| Qiming | the 'host' could be a VM, it could be a physical machine | 13:35 |
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| haiwei | ok | 13:35 |
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| Qiming | let's start with container inside VMs, which seems a common scenario today | 13:36 |
| Qiming | the VMs are created by senlin or other services | 13:36 |
| Qiming | we need to do some kind of scheduling | 13:36 |
| Qiming | one option is to introduce mesos-alike framework, including mesos agents into guest images | 13:37 |
| haiwei | If the containers run on vms, there will be two kinds of clusters at the same time | 13:37 |
| Qiming | then we will still need a scheduler, e.g. marathon | 13:37 |
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| Qiming | users don't need to care | 13:37 |
| Qiming | we can manage the hosts for the containers | 13:37 |
| Qiming | in some use cases I heard of | 13:38 |
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| Qiming | people build a huge resource pool to run containers, but that huge resource (vm or physical) pool is transparent to users | 13:38 |
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| Qiming | one option, discussed with yanyanhu today, is to do some resource based 'host' selection | 13:39 |
| Qiming | that will give us a very simple starting point to go forward | 13:39 |
| haiwei | the 'user' does not include cloud operator ? | 13:40 |
| Qiming | we can leverage ceilometer (or others) to monitor per-vm resource availability and find a candidate node to launch the container | 13:40 |
| Qiming | cloud operator will know the underlying cluster of VMs | 13:40 |
| Qiming | they may even need to autoscale this VM cluster to accommodate more containers | 13:41 |
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| Qiming | we can start getting our hands dirty and see if this is just another 'placement' policy | 13:41 |
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| Qiming | btw, congrat's to haiwei's talk proposal being accepted | 13:42 |
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| Qiming | we are gonna help make that presentation a successful one | 13:43 |
| haiwei | currently I can't think out one way to auto-scale containers to the vms which are not controlled by Senlin | 13:43 |
| haiwei | Thank you for the help for session proposal | 13:43 |
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| Qiming | there are two levels of entities to manage | 13:43 |
| Qiming | the VM pool | 13:43 |
| Qiming | the container pool | 13:43 |
| haiwei | I mean that vms seems not under control of Senlin | 13:43 |
| yanyanhu | actually, for that scenario, VM cluster have to be managed by Senlin I think | 13:44 |
| Qiming | well, they may and may not be | 13:44 |
| Qiming | you just need to know their IP | 13:44 |
| Qiming | and possibly some secrets to log into them | 13:44 |
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| Qiming | having senlin manage the two clusters makes total sense to me | 13:45 |
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| Qiming | was just trying to be open minded on this | 13:45 |
| haiwei | ok | 13:45 |
| Qiming | haiwei, can you help revise the specs | 13:45 |
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| Qiming | we can start drilling down the details? | 13:46 |
| haiwei | ok, I will do it | 13:46 |
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| yanyanhu | yes, resource(host) finding progress become necessary if the VM cluster is not created by Senlin | 13:46 |
| Qiming | or if a spec is not the right tool, we can use etherpads as well | 13:46 |
| haiwei | I can't spend much time on that recently, I will try my best to do it | 13:46 |
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| Qiming | we need careful preparations for all the presentations | 13:47 |
| haiwei | yes, indeed | 13:47 |
| Qiming | okay | 13:48 |
| Qiming | last item, rework NODE_CREATE/DELETE | 13:48 |
| Qiming | it has been there for a long time | 13:48 |
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| Qiming | let's keep them there as is, :P | 13:48 |
| Qiming | driver work | 13:49 |
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| yanyanhu | have been done | 13:49 |
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| Qiming | it was much smoother than we had thought | 13:49 |
| yanyanhu | just need a little change in neutron driver | 13:49 |
| Qiming | that was great | 13:49 |
| yanyanhu | yep :P | 13:49 |
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| Qiming | btw | 13:49 |
| lixinhui_ | cool! | 13:49 |
| Qiming | we just relased mitaka-3 milestone for senlin and senlinclient last week | 13:49 |
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| Qiming | that is a milestone for everyone | 13:50 |
| Qiming | thank you all for your contributions during to past months | 13:50 |
| Qiming | we made it | 13:50 |
| Qiming | #topic open discussion | 13:50 |
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| lixinhui_ | Qiming, I remember there is still a patch on senlinclient about check/recover, once | 13:50 |
| lixinhui_ | once you -2 to avoid merge by accidently | 13:51 |
| lixinhui_ | not sure we will merge it or not | 13:51 |
| Qiming | oh, yes | 13:51 |
| lixinhui_ | at that time, the patch is blocked by sdk version | 13:51 |
| Qiming | that one can be unblocked now | 13:52 |
| lixinhui_ | ok | 13:52 |
| Qiming | should have merge it into m-3 | 13:52 |
| haiwei | what about SDK's issue | 13:53 |
| Qiming | sdk version has been bumped into 0.8.1 | 13:53 |
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| yanyanhu | global requirement has been updated | 13:54 |
| Qiming | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/285599/ | 13:54 |
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| Qiming | anything else? | 13:55 |
| yanyanhu | nope from me | 13:55 |
| lixinhui_ | no | 13:55 |
| elynn | no | 13:55 |
| cschulz | no | 13:55 |
| Qiming | thanks everyone for joining | 13:55 |
| haiwei | no | 13:55 |
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| Qiming | good night/day | 13:56 |
| Qiming | #endmeeting | 13:56 |
| lixinhui_ | u2 | 13:56 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 8 13:56:06 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2016/senlin.2016-03-08-13.01.html | 13:56 |
| haiwei | thanks | 13:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2016/senlin.2016-03-08-13.01.txt | 13:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/senlin/2016/senlin.2016-03-08-13.01.log.html | 13:56 |
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| gampel | Hi everyone who is here | 14:00 |
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| zhonghua-lee | hi, gampel | 14:00 |
| gampel | #startmeeting Smaug | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 8 14:01:00 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gampel. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'smaug' | 14:01 |
| gampel | hi zhonghua-lee | 14:01 |
| zhonghua-lee | hi | 14:01 |
| gampel | who is here ? | 14:01 |
| saggi1 | hi | 14:01 |
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| gampel | #info saggiq ,zhonghua-lee , gampel in the meeting | 14:02 |
| xiangxinyong456 | hi | 14:02 |
| yuval | Hey | 14:02 |
| gampel | #info xiangxinyong456 , yuval in the meeting | 14:02 |
| gampel | Welcome Yuval, Please welcome yuval he joined the team this week | 14:03 |
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| zhonghua-lee | welcome | 14:03 |
| gampel | Lets start or should we wait for someone | 14:03 |
| gampel | #topic Smaug API v1.0 | 14:03 |
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| gampel | I am the only one that approved it, please vote so we could merge tomorrow or fix it | 14:04 |
| gampel | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/244756/ | 14:04 |
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| zhonghua-lee | I will go over it later | 14:04 |
| gampel | are there any open issues in the API that someone what to talk about ? | 14:05 |
| gampel | we are Missing operation log will be added in another patch | 14:05 |
| xiangxinyong456 | ok | 14:05 |
| gampel | saggi will you take care of the next patch | 14:05 |
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| zhonghua-lee | looks good, no question | 14:05 |
| xiangxinyong456 | eran | 14:05 |
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| gampel | yes xiangxinyong456: | 14:06 |
| xiangxinyong456 | do you think we need the modify workflow in the version 1? | 14:06 |
| gampel | saggi: ? | 14:06 |
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| saggi1 | gampel: I don't understand the question | 14:07 |
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| gampel | #action saggi send another patch for the operation log | 14:07 |
| gampel | xiangxinyong456: can you please explain i am not sure i understand | 14:08 |
| xiangxinyong456 | ok | 14:08 |
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| xiangxinyong456 | about the update operation | 14:09 |
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| gampel | which update ? | 14:09 |
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| xiangxinyong456 | you know we need add ,delete,select and update on the rest api | 14:10 |
| gampel | yes | 14:10 |
| xiangxinyong456 | for example,modify the plan | 14:10 |
| gampel | whats the work flow modification needed | 14:11 |
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| gampel | when we modify a plan it should be updated to the DB , as i discussed with @chenying in his patch | 14:12 |
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| xiangxinyong456 | e.g. modify the checkpoint | 14:12 |
| gampel | it shoudl be done only in suspended state | 14:12 |
| saggi1 | You can't modify the checkpoint from the api | 14:12 |
| saggi1 | except for changing the status for deletion | 14:12 |
| xiangxinyong | ok | 14:13 |
| gampel | the plan update is not relevant to the checkpoint all ready created we will serialize the plan into the checkpoint | 14:13 |
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| gampel | do you see other work flow modification needed ? | 14:13 |
| saggi1 | gampel: Checkpoint are inherently immutable | 14:13 |
| xiangxinyong | modify trigger? | 14:14 |
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| gampel | I think if we modify a trigger we should update the operation engine | 14:14 |
| gampel | and update the trigger that are registered in the system | 14:15 |
| saggi1 | plans can update but checkpoints are static data in the bank | 14:15 |
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| xiangxinyong | gampel: yeah, we need these workflow. | 14:15 |
| xiangxinyong | saggi:understood | 14:15 |
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| gampel | xiangxinyong: ok i agree can you create a file with all the needed workflow and we could all verify them ? | 14:16 |
| xiangxinyong | ok. we can gather these inforamtion and send to you | 14:17 |
| gampel | #action xiangxinyong will define and verify workflow for update on all the rest API | 14:17 |
| gampel | #topic REST API | 14:17 |
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| gampel | @chenying or @zengchen are here to update | 14:18 |
| gampel | zhonghua-lee: can you update the status of the REST api | 14:18 |
| gampel | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286412/ | 14:18 |
| gampel | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286406/ | 14:18 |
| gampel | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287036/ | 14:19 |
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| gampel | I think it will be good to start with the REST see how we can merge soon | 14:19 |
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| gampel | zhonghua-lee: can you please update the status for @chenying and @zengchen | 14:20 |
| gampel | zhonghua-lee: ? | 14:20 |
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| gampel | xiangxinyong: do you know the status of this patches ? | 14:21 |
| gampel | I review them all i think that they are almost there | 14:21 |
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| zhonghua-lee | gampel: ok | 14:21 |
| zhonghua-lee | chenying, adn chenzeng's work are in good progress | 14:21 |
| gampel | please everyone review today or tomorrow so we can merge them | 14:21 |
| xiangxinyong | gampel: we will | 14:22 |
| gampel | I think we should create priority of all the patches so we could start merging | 14:22 |
| gampel | I think the fisrt to go in should be the REST | 14:22 |
| zhonghua-lee | now, we have much work on UI | 14:22 |
| zhonghua-lee | gampel: totally greee | 14:22 |
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| gampel | Ok next topic | 14:23 |
| gampel | #Protectables status & issues | 14:23 |
| gampel | #topic Protectables status | 14:23 |
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| zhonghua-lee | I think we should think about how to get the child resource | 14:24 |
| zhonghua-lee | right now , we get all volume from volume plug-in | 14:24 |
| zhonghua-lee | it's not easy to understand | 14:25 |
| zhonghua-lee | I think | 14:25 |
| gampel | yes each Protectables retruns its type only on the get_child_r.. | 14:25 |
| saggi1 | zhonghua-lee: We know, it was something we thought about originally when designing the protectables. | 14:25 |
| gampel | we had two option to do it top down or down to top | 14:25 |
| saggi1 | There are two ways. Have the VM Protectable in charge of getting the dependencies of all types | 14:26 |
| saggi1 | or have each type be reponsible for itself. | 14:26 |
| zhonghua-lee | yes, i know why do that but, I think we should change the method name | 14:26 |
| gampel | if this name is confusing no problem | 14:26 |
| saggi1 | zhonghua-lee: I don't mind, do you have a suggestion? | 14:26 |
| gampel | whats your suggestion | 14:26 |
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| zhonghua-lee | saggi1: how about support a method wiht filter function | 14:27 |
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| gampel | I am not sure i understand ? | 14:27 |
| zhonghua-lee | I mean we can use the list_resouce method, and add a filter parameter | 14:28 |
| zhonghua-lee | so that this method can filter resource by parent resource | 14:29 |
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| saggi1 | so changing it to filter_by_parent_resource()? | 14:29 |
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| saggi1 | or list_by_parent_resource()? | 14:30 |
| zhonghua-lee | saggi1:something like that | 14:30 |
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| gampel | we must provide the resource | 14:30 |
| gampel | as a param | 14:30 |
| zhonghua-lee | list_by_parent_resource sounds betterr | 14:30 |
| saggi1 | of course | 14:30 |
| saggi1 | the interface is the same | 14:30 |
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| saggi1 | it's just the name | 14:30 |
| saggi1 | list_by_parent_resource(parent_resource) | 14:30 |
| zhonghua-lee | there are some difference | 14:30 |
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| saggi1 | ? | 14:31 |
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| zhonghua-lee | I think "child resource" means the resource under the parent resource | 14:31 |
| gampel | zhonghua-lee: : I think that what you are proposing is not possible | 14:31 |
| zhonghua-lee | e.g. volume is the child resource of VM | 14:31 |
| saggi1 | dependent | 14:31 |
| zhonghua-lee | gampel: why? | 14:32 |
| gampel | if it is changing the name no problem | 14:32 |
| zhonghua-lee | gampel:it just change the name | 14:32 |
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| gampel | ok so no problem | 14:32 |
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| zhonghua-lee | gampel: it's just my suggestion. | 14:33 |
| gampel | so get_dependent_ .. | 14:34 |
| gampel | I am not sure i follow whats the proposed new name | 14:34 |
| xiangxinyong | get_dependent_by_resource? | 14:34 |
| zhonghua-lee | list_resource_by_parent? | 14:35 |
| yuval | get_dependent_resources() ? | 14:35 |
| gampel | Ok fine with me | 14:35 |
| zhonghua-lee | some like that, whatever do not contain the "child" | 14:35 |
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| gampel | Ok saggi lets vote | 14:36 |
| zhonghua-lee | s/some/something | 14:36 |
| gampel | saggi: whats you view I am fine with both | 14:36 |
| zengyingzhe_ | what's the options? | 14:36 |
| gampel | Hi welcome :) | 14:37 |
| gampel | get_dependent_resources( parent) | 14:37 |
| zengyingzhe_ | sorry i'm late. | 14:37 |
| gampel | and list_resource_by_parent | 14:37 |
| gampel | no problem | 14:37 |
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| gampel | zengyingzhe_: we need an update of the protactable status | 14:37 |
| gampel | Ok lets vote get_dependent_resources( parent) or list_resource_by_parent | 14:38 |
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| saggi1 | I'm partial to get_dependent_resources | 14:39 |
| zengyingzhe_ | get_dependent_resources +1 | 14:39 |
| xiangxinyong | get_dependent_resources | 14:39 |
| yuval | get_dependent_resources | 14:39 |
| gampel | ok we got a winer | 14:39 |
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| gampel | #action rename fetch_child to get_dependent_resources | 14:40 |
| zengyingzhe_ | OK, i'll change this method name tomorrow. | 14:40 |
| gampel | zengyingzhe_: can you please update of the protactable status | 14:40 |
| zengyingzhe_ | you mean at etherpad? | 14:41 |
| gampel | no i mean the patches | 14:41 |
| gampel | #link o ProtectableRegistry https://review.openstack.org/#/c/281783/ | 14:42 |
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| gampel | #link oCinder https://review.openstack.org/#/c/285611/3 | 14:42 |
| gampel | #link Nova https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286542/3 | 14:42 |
| gampel | #link protectable RPC handlers https://review.openstack.org/#/c/285921/ | 14:42 |
| gampel | whats the status and what are we still missing | 14:43 |
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| gampel | zengyingzhe_: ? | 14:44 |
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| zengyingzhe_ | OK, i got it. | 14:44 |
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| saggi | Hi, got disconnected | 14:44 |
| gampel | welcome back | 14:45 |
| zhonghua-lee | right now , nove,cinder plug-in are ready | 14:45 |
| saggi | good jobs! | 14:45 |
| saggi | job | 14:45 |
| zhonghua-lee | how about network,image plug-in? | 14:45 |
| gampel | very good job please ask everyone top review them so we could merge tomorrow | 14:45 |
| gampel | yuval do you want to take glace image | 14:45 |
| yuval | Yes | 14:45 |
| gampel | ok | 14:46 |
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| gampel | networking should be easy as we look at it as one entity | 14:46 |
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| zengyingzhe_ | I'll start to work on rest protectable plugins tomorrow. | 14:46 |
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| xiangxinyong | :) | 14:47 |
| gampel | I think we all ready merged it | 14:47 |
| gampel | @chenying did it | 14:47 |
| zhonghua-lee | gampel:yeah, but after review :) | 14:47 |
| gampel | Lets skip the · Protection Plugin & Service | 14:48 |
| gampel | I think that the developers of that part are not here | 14:48 |
| gampel | #topic UI dashboard status | 14:48 |
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| gampel | xiangxinyong or zhonghua-lee do you what to update on the status | 14:49 |
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| xiangxinyong | i have submit two patches, please review them | 14:49 |
| saggi | xiangxinyong: it's in my queue | 14:49 |
| gampel | yes in mine as well | 14:49 |
| gampel | please ask all tyhe team to review it as well | 14:49 |
| gampel | are there any issues ? | 14:50 |
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| gampel | open issues ? | 14:50 |
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| xiangxinyong | not yet | 14:50 |
| zengyingzhe_ | Has the protectable resource paging issue discussed yet? | 14:50 |
| gampel | let discuss this @chenying include it in his REST patch | 14:51 |
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| gampel | but we can push the RPC and Plugin part to second phase | 14:51 |
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| gampel | xiangxinyong: :) very good job keep us up to date and will try to review | 14:52 |
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| gampel | zengyingzhe_: what do you think | 14:52 |
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| zengyingzhe_ | I don't see why we need paging for protectable resources. | 14:53 |
| xiangxinyong | gampel: np | 14:53 |
| zengyingzhe_ | it's represented as a graph | 14:53 |
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| zengyingzhe_ | right? | 14:53 |
| gampel | yes but the user can access the API of only a Volume lets say and a user could have 10000 | 14:54 |
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| saggi | We might need it if the user has a lot of VMS | 14:54 |
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| saggi | So in the UI we'll need to page it | 14:54 |
| zhonghua-lee | saggi:+1 | 14:54 |
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| zhonghua-lee | especially the method "list_resource" | 14:55 |
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| saggi | For dependencies we might not need ti | 14:55 |
| saggi | since we need to hold them all in memory anyway | 14:55 |
| saggi | but listing could be a problem | 14:55 |
| xiangxinyong | but how to paging for protectable resources in a tree structure? | 14:56 |
| gampel | i agree it is not argent but from user experience and performance it will be required in second phase | 14:56 |
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| xiangxinyong | because the resource is listed by a tree | 14:56 |
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| zengyingzhe_ | this means we must record all resources info in some place, such as DB or memory | 14:57 |
| zhonghua-lee | xiangxinyong: you mean UI? | 14:57 |
| zengyingzhe_ | right now, there's no such implementation. | 14:57 |
| gampel | Yes if the user as 10000 VMs you will have to show all the VMs and it will probebly take a very long time | 14:57 |
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| xiangxinyong | zhonghua-lee: yeah. | 14:57 |
| saggi | Most openstack listing APIs support paging so we just forward it. | 14:57 |
| gampel | I think that we will have to support this but it can be done in second phase | 14:58 |
| zhonghua-lee | xiangxinyong:we can use async loading | 14:58 |
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| xiangxinyong | zhonghua-lee: the resources are listed in a tree. | 14:58 |
| gampel | zengyingzhe_: do you agree | 14:58 |
| xiangxinyong | zhonghua-lee: it is not related with async and sync. | 14:58 |
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| zhonghua-lee | xiangxinyong: what's th problem | 14:58 |
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| zengyingzhe_ | gampel, yes, i'll think through it to find how to implement. | 14:59 |
| gampel | we could open a bug about it so we will not forget and currently be focused on the end to end integration | 14:59 |
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| zengyingzhe_ | sure | 14:59 |
| gampel | so we could merge all teh protactabole patchs | 14:59 |
| zhonghua-lee | gampel:+1 | 14:59 |
| dneary | Sorry - wrong channel | 14:59 |
| xiangxinyong | zhonghua-lee: the resource is listed by parent, i page the whole tree | 15:00 |
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| gampel | #action zengyingzhe_ open a bug about the pagination support in the protactable | 15:00 |
| gampel | sorry thank you every one | 15:00 |
| gampel | our time is done | 15:00 |
| gampel | by end thank you for all the good work | 15:00 |
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| xiangxinyong | 3ks | 15:00 |
| zhonghua-lee | xiangxinyong:let's disucss later | 15:00 |
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| zengyingzhe_ | Thank you all, bye | 15:01 |
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| gampel | #endmeeting | 15:01 |
| xiangxinyong | zhonghua-lee: ok | 15:01 |
| gampel | #endmeeting | 15:01 |
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| cznewt | #topic roll call | 16:10 |
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| cznewt | o/ | 16:10 |
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| liqw | o/ | 16:11 |
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| cznewt | #topic Introduction | 16:11 |
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| cznewt | This meeting for the openstack-salt team | 16:12 |
| iceyao | hi | 16:12 |
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| cznewt | if you're interested in contributing to the discussion, please join #openstack-salt | 16:12 |
| cznewt | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#OpenStack_Salt_Team_Meeting | 16:12 |
| cznewt | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/openstack-salt | 16:12 |
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| cznewt | iceyao: hello | 16:12 |
| cznewt | #topic Review past action items | 16:13 |
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| cznewt | we'll go though items from last meeting, but as most of the members have gone away for today's meeting we'll go to todays issues | 16:14 |
| cznewt | genunix tlo continue researching openstack packaging | 16:15 |
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| cznewt | genunix is way is away fot this week, will forward to next week's meeting | 16:16 |
| cznewt | #action genunix to continue researching openstack packaging | 16:16 |
| cznewt | next topic Research building RPMs using the openstack-ci | 16:17 |
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| cznewt | any news? | 16:17 |
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| cznewt | arif-ali is not present either, postponing till next week's meeting | 16:19 |
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| cznewt | #action Continue to research building RPMs using the openstack-ci | 16:19 |
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| cznewt | Research big tent. Determine which of our salt-formula-* projects should fall under the big tent umbrella, and which of the more host-generic formulas should be pushed up to the salt community | 16:19 |
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| cznewt | this is being handled, we trying to reach salt community on this | 16:20 |
| cznewt | topic, but the problem is that most of the presented formulas already exist in the salt community | 16:21 |
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| cznewt | I'll give resolution when we have some answers | 16:21 |
| cznewt | talk to the -infra team about using the openstack ci pipeline for building RPMs and more discussion needed on testing the RH stack | 16:22 |
| cznewt | Any update on this? | 16:22 |
| cznewt | If not we'll move to today's agenda | 16:23 |
| cznewt | #topic Today's Agenda | 16:23 |
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| liqw | for those who are willing to test openstack-salt formulas and heat stack.. we still provide http://openstack-salt.tcpcloud.eu/develop/quickstart-heat.html | 16:23 |
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| cznewt | iceyao: hello, can you introduce yourself, today's meeting is a little undermanned, as snow has fallen in czech :) | 16:24 |
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| iceyao | I'm from 99cloud and I major in devops now | 16:27 |
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| cznewt | Do you at 99 deploy openstack using salt, or plan on to it? | 16:28 |
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| cznewt | I have some news about heat deployment labs | 16:28 |
| iceyao | yeah, using salt deploy openstack now | 16:28 |
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| cznewt | We have the labs single/cluster ready and tested | 16:29 |
| iceyao | Only on Centos7 | 16:29 |
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| iceyao | cznewt: I can test it | 16:29 |
| cznewt | for ubntu for now, but the redhat based is ready but not tested | 16:30 |
| cznewt | yes, I can give you the password to the lab, so you can deploy the stack to start testing | 16:30 |
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| cznewt | the steps are covered in temporary documentations | 16:30 |
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| cznewt | #link http://openstack-salt.tcpcloud.eu/develop/quickstart-heat.html | 16:31 |
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| cznewt | iceyao: what version do you deploy / what networking? | 16:31 |
| cznewt | at your production deploys | 16:31 |
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| iceyao | Liberty | 16:32 |
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| iceyao | cznewt: I found that doc using heat to deploy | 16:33 |
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| iceyao | it can deploy on baremental centos os ? | 16:33 |
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| cznewt | yes, if you setup the minions in the same way as in the heat-based lab | 16:35 |
| cznewt | this is something we would like to have tested | 16:35 |
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| cznewt | we can give you support if you want to proceed testing on bare metal servers | 16:36 |
| iceyao | I see | 16:36 |
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| cznewt | the setup is centos7 nodes, cluster or single deploy you'll try? | 16:36 |
| iceyao | I'll try aio first | 16:37 |
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| cznewt | and about networking, what plugin do you use? vanilla or some vendor SDN? | 16:38 |
| iceyao | use ovs now | 16:38 |
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| cznewt | #action iceyao to test the centos aio deployment | 16:39 |
| iceyao | Does it suppourt ovs or linux bridge ? | 16:41 |
| cznewt | We'll the support for ovs is a little outdated now, but you're welcome to make it up-2-date | 16:41 |
| Tux_ | +1 | 16:42 |
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| Tux_ | I would like to see ovs work as well | 16:42 |
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| cznewt | #action get the neutron formula with OVS support ready | 16:44 |
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| cznewt | I'll get ready the ticket on launchpad, the OVS support is must have | 16:45 |
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| cznewt | iceyao: when do you plan on testing the aio setup? | 16:46 |
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| cznewt | the current setup works with opencontrail networking | 16:46 |
| iceyao | this week. | 16:47 |
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| iceyao | I may need your help , I'm not familiar with opencontrail | 16:48 |
| liqw | iceyao: if you look at http://openstack-salt.tcpcloud.eu/develop/quickstart-heat.html#testing-lab-at-tcp-cloud there's 'Openstack-salt single setup' which are 3 nodes. maybe it's easier to do the first test on virtual environment (lab). | 16:48 |
| cznewt | yes, the only thing that we'll need to be fixed for centos deloyment is the repository definition | 16:49 |
| iceyao | liqw: thanks | 16:49 |
| cznewt | for now it supports the ubuntu cloud archive repos | 16:50 |
| iceyao | how can I do for repository definition? | 16:50 |
| cznewt | iceyao: we'll get the repo setup ready tomorrow with the heat stack, so it's testable in heat setup | 16:51 |
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| cznewt | iceyao: we are getting short on time, we'll continue to discuss this further on #openstack-salt channel | 16:52 |
| iceyao | ok | 16:53 |
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| cznewt | #action prepare the repositories for redhat deployments | 16:53 |
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| cznewt | iceyao: do you have spare time to get the ovs support in salt formulas fixed? | 16:54 |
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| iceyao | I try my best | 16:55 |
| Tux_ | +1 | 16:56 |
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| cznewt | #action look at getting OVS networking working | 16:57 |
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| iceyao | Can you modify the meeting time next ? I live in Asia/ShangHai | 16:57 |
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| cznewt | well, we have already us/europe members | 16:58 |
| cznewt | what time is it for you? | 16:59 |
| cznewt | the time is up we'll continue at openstack-salt | 16:59 |
| cznewt | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 8 16:59:57 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_salt/2016/openstack_salt.2016-03-08-16.08.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_salt/2016/openstack_salt.2016-03-08-16.08.txt | 17:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_salt/2016/openstack_salt.2016-03-08-16.08.log.html | 17:00 |
| iceyao | what about utc 1400 ? | 17:00 |
| asselin | #startmeeting third-party | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 8 17:00:19 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is asselin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 17:00 |
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| asselin | anyone here for 3rd party working meeting? | 17:01 |
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| mmedvede | hi asselin | 17:01 |
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| * mmedvede was fighting fires | 17:02 | |
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| asselin | hi mmedvede | 17:02 |
| asselin | fires under control? | 17:02 |
| mmedvede | yes | 17:02 |
| asselin | #topic announcements | 17:03 |
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| asselin | any announcements? | 17:03 |
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| asselin | #topic CI Watch | 17:03 |
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| mmedvede | no news since last meeting | 17:04 |
| mmedvede | #link ciwatch unittests review queue https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack-infra/ciwatch+branch:feature/unit-tests+topic:ci-dashboard | 17:04 |
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| asselin | Anything specific? or just review all of them? | 17:05 |
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| mmedvede | I was not merging any of it yet, asselin feel free +2 if you think it works well | 17:05 |
| asselin | will do | 17:05 |
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| mmedvede | asselin: so I realized that we can not merge from master or back to master yet | 17:06 |
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| asselin | oh? what does that mean exactly | 17:06 |
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| mmedvede | there are fixes on master that I'd like to get backported | 17:06 |
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| mmedvede | asselin: you can not push merge commits, need special permissions | 17:07 |
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| * mmedvede looks for patch | 17:07 | |
| asselin | I thought we enabled that | 17:07 |
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| mmedvede | #link https://review.openstack.org/#q,Ie645ef86551de74e3f53b8405e0d00f73f9c9b41,n,z | 17:07 |
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| mmedvede | asselin: no, we did not. And you also need to be a member of ciwatch-release group, which now only has infra in it | 17:08 |
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| asselin | yeah seein ghtat | 17:08 |
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| asselin | ok I can ask about adding us to that | 17:10 |
| asselin | anything else? | 17:10 |
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| mmedvede | no, I think we can finally add some real unit tests next | 17:11 |
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| asselin | ok cool! | 17:11 |
| asselin | #topic Common-CI Solution | 17:11 |
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| asselin | only new issue is that the current docs basically ask users to reuse openstack-infra/system-config | 17:13 |
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| asselin | and this points to some pip sites that aren't recommended or accessible outside of -infra. | 17:13 |
| mmedvede | for install_modules.sh and image building, correct? | 17:13 |
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| asselin | yes | 17:13 |
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| asselin | and install_puppet.sh | 17:14 |
| asselin | but that one is less of a concern than the ones you mention | 17:14 |
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| mmedvede | I see no problems with reusing install_puppet and modules | 17:14 |
| asselin | so there's a need to perhaps make image building more easily reusable by 3rd party folks | 17:14 |
| mmedvede | image building is confusing matters though | 17:14 |
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| mmedvede | there is dib image builds, and there is image update that e.g. uses prepare_node.sh | 17:15 |
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| mmedvede | asselin: we could just say that image building is up to third-party CI maintainers, and see system-config for example | 17:16 |
| asselin | yeah....that's bascially what it says now....but folks are having trouble with 'how to debug and maintain' image builds. | 17:17 |
| mmedvede | another way is to create a separate spec for pulling image building out | 17:17 |
| mmedvede | (I think it is a big effort) | 17:17 |
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| asselin | yeah. Not sure who'd do the work though....maybe if we write the spec we'll find some volunteers to drive the effort? | 17:18 |
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| mmedvede | It is tricky to estimate what it would take. I am familiar with prepare_node way. Less so with dib | 17:20 |
| asselin | it's basically the same thing | 17:21 |
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| mmedvede | yes, both simply running bunch of scripts to get images ready | 17:21 |
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| mmedvede | one of them involves puppet though | 17:22 |
| asselin | they both do, actually | 17:22 |
| mmedvede | they do? I thought dib just used elements | 17:22 |
| asselin | yes, and the element calls puppet :) | 17:22 |
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| mmedvede | do some of those elements apply some puppet manifests from system-config? | 17:22 |
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| asselin | elements are just script snippets. DIB composes them wherease snapshot-images you have to compose them | 17:23 |
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| asselin | yes | 17:23 |
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| asselin | #link https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/project-config/tree/nodepool/elements/puppet/bin/prepare-node | 17:24 |
| mmedvede | you see, for me it is hard to imagine how to abstract image building puppet manifests from system-config. Our images have a lot of custom setup in them | 17:24 |
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| asselin | bascially class {'openstack_project::single_use_slave': needs to be openstackci::signle_use_slave | 17:25 |
| mmedvede | asselin: yes, but it might pull in a whole lot of things with it | 17:26 |
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| asselin | yes, probably need to strip it down a bit | 17:26 |
| mmedvede | it is also very specific for building only particular type of images | 17:26 |
| asselin | these are for the devstack images which (I think) is the common case for 3rd party ci | 17:26 |
| mmedvede | I mean, some people might use different OS, or arch (points finger at self) | 17:27 |
| asselin | actually maybe only this is needed: https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/system-config/tree/modules/openstack_project/manifests/single_use_slave.pp#n43 | 17:28 |
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| asselin | #link but slave_common.pp also looks important: https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/system-config/tree/modules/openstack_project/manifests/slave_common.pp | 17:30 |
| asselin | anyway perhaps these can be done in project-config-example | 17:30 |
| asselin | instead of asking users to copy from project-config | 17:30 |
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| asselin | but we should write a spec to detail the work and get more feedback | 17:32 |
| asselin | #action asselin write a spec to create image builds reusable by 3rd party ci | 17:32 |
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| asselin | #topic Open Discussion | 17:33 |
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| mmedvede | asselin: maybe start with etherpad instead first, just to iterate initial work estimate quicker? | 17:33 |
| asselin | mmedvede, sure, good idea | 17:34 |
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| asselin | anything else to discuss? | 17:34 |
| mmedvede | I have already discussed apparent zuul memory leak during Mon meeting | 17:35 |
| mmedvede | (there is also email thread) | 17:35 |
| mmedvede | So if anyone else experiences higher memory footprint of zuul-server, please speak up | 17:36 |
| asselin | I haven't noticed it on our end. I'll have to check which version we're using | 17:37 |
| mmedvede | it is slow (if it is a leak), about 500Mb a day | 17:37 |
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| mmedvede | so on my VM with 8GB could take a whole week or longer | 17:37 |
| mmedvede | before crashing | 17:38 |
| asselin | we're on this version: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/262579/ | 17:38 |
| mmedvede | #link zuul memory leak thread http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-infra/2016-March/003971.html | 17:38 |
| mmedvede | asselin: what version shows up on the bottom of zuul ui? | 17:39 |
| asselin | Zuul version: | 17:39 |
| asselin | Zuul version: 2.1.1.dev121 | 17:39 |
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| mmedvede | looks like the one before the patch that should fix the leak. So if anything, you should see more problems | 17:41 |
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| mmedvede | asselin: do you know if your zuul gets restarted regurarly? | 17:41 |
| asselin | we did restart it 'regularly' but due to other issues | 17:41 |
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| asselin | which patch fixes the leak? | 17:42 |
| mmedvede | asselin: allegedly fixes the leak | 17:42 |
| asselin | sorry....alegedly :) | 17:42 |
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| mmedvede | #link https://review.openstack.org/#q,I81ee47524cda71a500c55a95a2280f491b1b63d9,n,z | 17:42 |
| mmedvede | asselin: ^ | 17:43 |
| asselin | ok thanks | 17:43 |
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| asselin | anyone else around have something to discuss? | 17:45 |
| mmedvede | I think zuul.o.o just recently got updated to the most recent version, so would be interesting to see if they have the same problem | 17:45 |
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| asselin | yeah. I'm going to pay more attention to ours. | 17:46 |
| asselin | mmedvede, anything else to discuss? | 17:48 |
| mmedvede | no | 17:48 |
| asselin | ok thanks for the good discussion | 17:48 |
| asselin | #endmeeting | 17:49 |
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| mmedvede | thank you asselin | 17:49 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 8 17:49:03 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-03-08-17.00.html | 17:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-03-08-17.00.txt | 17:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-03-08-17.00.log.html | 17:49 |
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| dstanek | it's almost time! | 17:59 |
| bknudson | get ready! | 18:00 |
| dstanek | ping ajayaa, amakarov, ayoung, breton, browne, davechen, david8hu, dolphm, dstanek, edmondsw, ericksonsantos, geoffarnold, gyee, henrynash, hogepodge, htruta, jamielennox, joesavak, lbragstad, lhcheng, marekd, morganfainberg, nkinder, raildo, rodrigods, roxanaghe, samueldmq, shaleh, stevemar, tsymanczyk, topol, vivekd, wanghong, claudiub, rderose, samleon, xek, MaxPC, tjcocozz, jorge_munoz | 18:00 |
| lbragstad | o/ | 18:00 |
| tsymanczyk | \o | 18:00 |
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| ayoung | dstanek, you running it today? | 18:00 |
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| tjcocozz_ | o/ | 18:00 |
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| rodrigods | :) | 18:00 |
| htruta | \o | 18:00 |
| dstanek | ayoung: yep, not much to run so i think that's why stevemar asked me :-) | 18:00 |
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| dolphm | lol | 18:00 |
| gyee | \o | 18:00 |
| ayoung | dstanek, I think he is training a replacement | 18:00 |
| henrynash | howdy! | 18:00 |
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| rodrigods | haha | 18:01 |
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| dstanek | #startmeeting keystone | 18:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 8 18:01:25 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dstanek. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: keystone)" | 18:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' | 18:01 |
| dstanek | #topic there are no topics - any late topics that need discussion? | 18:01 |
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| henrynash | dstanek: I tried to add one thing to the agend (but couldn’t save)... | 18:01 |
| dstanek | many of us are bug squashing today... | 18:01 |
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| dstanek | henrynash: what's the topic? | 18:01 |
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| henrynash | dstanek: just like clarification of the directory structure of unit tests… | 18:02 |
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| henrynash | dstanek: now that we are moving these all around | 18:02 |
| dstanek | #topic just like clarification of the directory structure of unit tests | 18:02 |
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| dstanek | henrynash: fire away | 18:02 |
| bknudson | the test file should be the same as the code file | 18:02 |
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| henrynash | bknudson: example? | 18:03 |
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| bknudson | so if the code is in keystone/resource/backends/sql.py then the test is keystone/tests/unit/resource/backends/test_sql.py | 18:03 |
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| bknudson | then it's easy to find what test file you need to change | 18:03 |
| dstanek | bknudson: I agree that we should be moving that way for all unit tests | 18:04 |
| henrynash | bknudson: and the test_backends.py file sists in the unit/resource dir in your example | 18:04 |
| ayoung | bknudson, so we are not going to push for v2 vs v3 dir under test/unit? | 18:04 |
| ayoung | I'm OK with that | 18:04 |
| dstanek | i'm ok with small tests to get us there. like we have, i think, a keystone/tests/unit/assignment/test_backends.py or something like that | 18:04 |
| ayoung | henrynash, judgement there | 18:04 |
| bknudson | there are integration tests and there are component tests | 18:05 |
| ayoung | henrynash, I'd say put it in keystone/tests/unit/resource/backends/ | 18:05 |
| bknudson | most of our unit tests should be component tests | 18:05 |
| ayoung | test_backend should not be named as such | 18:05 |
| dstanek | ayoung: the old test_backends.py is now gone | 18:05 |
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| ayoung | er..wait, which is the actual executable test file? | 18:05 |
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| ayoung | test_sql, which calls into the common file, whatever that is now, right? | 18:05 |
| bknudson | as in, the tests should test a single component and not cross component boundaries | 18:05 |
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| henrynash | bknudson: agreed | 18:06 |
| dstanek | bknudson: ++ | 18:06 |
| ayoung | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/keystone/tree/keystone/tests/unit/identity/test_core.py right? | 18:06 |
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| ayoung | gonna make it a pain to refactor the fernet-default code, but still worth it. | 18:07 |
| henrynash | bknudson, dstanek: but right now we have test_backends.py (split up it their single components tests) NOT in the , say, resource/backend dir…but i the one above | 18:07 |
| bknudson | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/289058/ is my first stab at a component test for backends. | 18:07 |
| bknudson | well, test_backends is really cross-component tests and not component tests, so it's wrong to begin with | 18:07 |
| marekd | hi! | 18:07 |
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| henrynash | bknduson: even the split up vesions are wroung, iyho? | 18:08 |
| bknudson | test_backends is really testing the manager and not the drivers | 18:08 |
| henrynash | bknudson: ahh, different (and accurate) issue | 18:08 |
| dstanek | henrynash: only in that they do too much in the tests | 18:08 |
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| ayoung | henrynash, all good? | 18:09 |
| bknudson | so what I'd like to see is like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/289058/ where there's tests for the driver interface, and those run on all the drivers | 18:09 |
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| henrynash | dstanek: and many of the unit/component dirst have test_core.py as well | 18:09 |
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| henrynash | what’s that mean to do? | 18:09 |
| bknudson | and then test_backends becomes test_manager and tests the manager with a canonical backend (sql, I guess) | 18:10 |
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| ayoung | if the logic is 100% the same between backeds, it goes in core | 18:10 |
| ayoung | test_sql etc just the one offs and setup code | 18:10 |
| dstanek | henrynash: my ultimate fantasy would be a patter to map from code.py to test_code.py that always works | 18:11 |
| amakarov_ | We should use functional tests for backends | 18:11 |
| bknudson | I should have said test_core not test_manager since the managers live in core.py | 18:11 |
| henrynash | ayoung: ahh, so most of test_backends.py whould end up in test_core.py? | 18:11 |
| ayoung | I'd expect so, yes | 18:11 |
| henrynash | ayoung: right, got it | 18:11 |
| henrynash | dstanek: yep, get it | 18:11 |
| ayoung | so... let's talk Newton | 18:12 |
| dstanek | henrynash: all good? | 18:12 |
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| shaleh | \o | 18:12 |
| henrynash | dstanek: yep thx | 18:13 |
| ayoung | dstanek, I didn't add to the agenda, but we really need to discuss post-mitaka plans | 18:13 |
| dstanek | #topic {fig} newton | 18:13 |
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| ayoung | cool | 18:13 |
| dstanek | ayoung: sounds good to me | 18:13 |
| bknudson | are fig newtons cookies? | 18:13 |
| ayoung | OK, so, between now and the start of N1 opening up, we need to prioritize the basis for the new features we want to land in Newton | 18:13 |
| ayoung | If we wait until the Summit, it won;'t happen | 18:14 |
| ayoung | this is based on what I have seen in all releases from Diablo on forward | 18:14 |
| amakarov_ | ayoung: +1 | 18:14 |
| gyee | ayoung, what's your hit list? | 18:14 |
| ayoung | at this point, onus is on the spec owners to keep them up to date, address issues, and get the specs clean | 18:14 |
| ayoung | for me, that means dynaimc RBAC policy | 18:15 |
| ayoung | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/279379/ | 18:15 |
| ayoung | there are a lot of details to work out in getting a policy framework that actually supports fine grained delegation | 18:15 |
| bknudson | when does N1 open up? | 18:15 |
| gyee | whatever happen to common policy scenarios | 18:15 |
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| shaleh | ayoung: maybe a list of specs should be gathered like we did when Mitaka started | 18:15 |
| ayoung | gyee, that is right up there | 18:15 |
| ayoung | I'll link | 18:15 |
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| ayoung | Common policy https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245629/ | 18:16 |
| gyee | too many chef in the kitchen for that one I guess | 18:16 |
| ayoung | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/245629/ | 18:16 |
| samueldmq | hi, sorry I am late | 18:16 |
| bknudson | looks like N1 will open up Apr 4-8 | 18:16 |
| ayoung | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/279379/ | 18:16 |
| ayoung | gyee, well, I think I want to split common policy into two parts | 18:16 |
| dstanek | ayoung: yes, we should be getting specs approved and ready to work on too | 18:16 |
| ayoung | one is the top level roles, and the second is the fine grained permissions | 18:16 |
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| shaleh | ayoung: makes sense | 18:17 |
| ayoung | also, I need to wake amakarov_ up, but unified delegation needs to start making progress, too, if we want it in | 18:17 |
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| ayoung | and they really are related | 18:17 |
| amakarov_ | I want to come up with something working to the end of March | 18:17 |
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| ayoung | gyee, I think those three, related efforts, are the burning platform. I'd like them in, if experimental, in Newton, so they can be supported in Ocata long term | 18:18 |
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| gyee | ayoung, agreed | 18:18 |
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| shaleh | plus we have the MFA ground work to lay | 18:19 |
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| ayoung | On the dynamic RBAC policy, we are going to need a way to store the policy in the Database. I am leaning towards storing it rule by rule as opposed to blob based | 18:19 |
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| ayoung | henrynash and I have a RBAC talk accepted at this summit. I'd like to be able to lay out the expected future of RBAC at the end of that talk | 18:19 |
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| ayoung | is there anything else that people see as major features desired for Newton or later? | 18:20 |
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| shaleh | what is th status of shadow users? | 18:20 |
| rderose | shadow ldap users | 18:21 |
| rderose | next | 18:21 |
| bknudson | it would be great to have an ldap driver that works with python3 | 18:21 |
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| shaleh | bknudson: ++++ | 18:21 |
| gyee | yeah, stablization, less moving stuff | 18:21 |
| dstanek | we want to finish up shadow users, mfa and better DB upgrades this cycle | 18:21 |
| henrynash | I’ll be working with ayoung on some of the RBAC stuff, but will also be (re)propsoing the reseller phase 2 stuff | 18:21 |
| shaleh | dstanek: *this? | 18:21 |
| dstanek | shaleh: N, i'm already in the future man | 18:22 |
| browne | bknudson: i wouldn't mind helping with that | 18:22 |
| gyee | v2 retirement party | 18:22 |
| shaleh | gyee: ++ | 18:22 |
| ayoung | bknudson, is LDAP Py3 within our control to affect? | 18:22 |
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| dstanek | ayoung: morgan had ideas on a replacement library | 18:23 |
| gyee | versioned endpoints retirement party | 18:23 |
| bknudson | ayoung: I guess we could always for ldappool? | 18:23 |
| bknudson | or we just start over with a new driver that uses ldap3 driver | 18:23 |
| morgan | ldap3 has a pool built in | 18:23 |
| tjcocozz_ | https://pypi.python.org/pypi/ldap3 | 18:23 |
| ayoung | so we ahvea plan, just need to execute on it? | 18:23 |
| morgan | fwiw | 18:23 |
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| shaleh | ldap3 always seemed like the logical choice | 18:24 |
| morgan | i'd ideally ask we write an isolate read-only ldap3 driver | 18:24 |
| morgan | and deprecate all the old ldap code | 18:24 |
| morgan | not try and retrofit things in | 18:24 |
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| morgan | it's a lot of work to make the current stuff ldap3 working | 18:24 |
| bknudson | do we want a spec for ldap3? | 18:24 |
| shaleh | morgan: that does not sound too crazy actually | 18:24 |
| ayoung | morgan, is an sssd based approach viable? | 18:24 |
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| bknudson | I think you can already do sssd? | 18:25 |
| gyee | ayoung, last I checked, sssd wasn't ready for prime time | 18:25 |
| morgan | ayoung: i think it could be separately, but no not as a replacement | 18:25 |
| morgan | ayoung: we need to support ldap-current model, sssd would be a different/separate dirver | 18:25 |
| bknudson | you could use federation for ldap | 18:25 |
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| morgan | we aren't deprecating direct ldap access [if we were it would be easier] | 18:26 |
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| morgan | then SSSD would be more viable. | 18:26 |
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| ayoung | morgan, did we deprecate writable LDAP ? | 18:26 |
| morgan | ayoung: in .. liberty? this cycle? we did | 18:26 |
| morgan | i remember we did. | 18:26 |
| bknudson | this is where it would be nice to have unit tests for the driver interface | 18:27 |
| morgan | it's got a run on it stil. also ldap3 is fully py3 compat | 18:27 |
| gyee | SSSD is not read-only LDAP, just to be cleared | 18:27 |
| ayoung | OK, so we can yank that in +2 from deprecation. At that point, yeah, we can pull a lot of the LDAP code out and toss it | 18:27 |
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| ayoung | gyee, right | 18:27 |
| shaleh | ayoung: if we did most of the work now in N, marked it experimental it could go live in O | 18:27 |
| morgan | i think ldap3 is the right choice fwiw. an sssd alternative would be good to have too long term | 18:27 |
| ayoung | they are two different stages | 18:27 |
| ayoung | morgan, SSSD works now, and several releases back | 18:28 |
| morgan | some deployments are going to get grumpy if we prescribe "needing" binary SSSD to access ldap | 18:28 |
| ayoung | http://adam.younglogic.com/2015/03/key-fed-lookup-redux/ | 18:28 |
| morgan | since we have not gone on record for that. | 18:28 |
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| morgan | and have said we are maintaining the current model when we were previously asked | 18:28 |
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| ayoung | morgan, agreed. Just want to minimize the amount of effort needed for the existing LDAP code | 18:29 |
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| ayoung | IE..rewriting it to yank write access is minimal gain | 18:29 |
| ayoung | but would be a lovely Masters Thesis project, IMHO | 18:29 |
| morgan | existing ldap code can pretty much sit - ldap3 is py3 and isolating the ldap code | 18:29 |
| bknudson | it's the tests that are the problem with converting to ldap3 | 18:30 |
| morgan | since ldap3 has pool capabilities etc | 18:30 |
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| morgan | and ldap3 is far far more pythonic | 18:30 |
| bknudson | and probably config options are going to be different | 18:30 |
| henrynash | ayoung: I’m expecting us to have problems trying to pull the writeable LDAP in +2 anyway….I think it will take longer | 18:30 |
| morgan | also ldap3 is pure python | 18:30 |
| morgan | which is a win | 18:30 |
| dstanek | bknudson: we'll need a new fake! or a better way... | 18:30 |
| ayoung | (driver selection based on [identity]/driver` option is deprecated and will be removed in the "O" release).'), | 18:31 |
| bknudson | if we have real unit tests for identity drivers we don't need a fake ldap like we did, can get away with mock. | 18:31 |
| browne | what about mockldap? | 18:31 |
| ayoung | that is not the same as writable... | 18:31 |
| gyee | I've got this funny feeling that if we are going for this full PCI thingy, writable LDAP may stick around :-) | 18:31 |
| dstanek | browne: mockldap is pretty interesting | 18:32 |
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| bknudson | if mockldap works with ldap3 then that's fine. | 18:32 |
| dstanek | who is going to spec this out? | 18:33 |
| ayoung | Write support for Identity LDAP backends has been deprecated in the M release and will be removed in the O release." | 18:33 |
| tjcocozz_ | mockldap looks like it works with python-ldap | 18:33 |
| bknudson | maybe we'll wind up writing our own mockldap3 | 18:34 |
| gyee | why do we care about mockldap, isn't ldap all func tests? | 18:34 |
| ayoung | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/keystone/commit/?id=99a427833b70164e974c0d17b093dfbce6952813 | 18:34 |
| shaleh | tjcocozz_: yeah, but either a) we help port it to the new lib or b) we come up with a similar layer for ldap3 | 18:34 |
| shaleh | tjcocozz_: either is better than the current fake we are maintaining | 18:35 |
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| bknudson | all reviews should be author stevemar, code-review +2 stevemar, workflow+1 stevemar | 18:35 |
| tjcocozz_ | shaleh, that would be an interesting way of going about it | 18:35 |
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| dstanek | there is also the real fakeldap project | 18:36 |
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| morgan | ayoung: i uh.. no. so we're deprecating SQL driver too? | 18:36 |
| shaleh | like I said a few minutes ago, it sounds like what we need is an etherpad with viable specs for N | 18:36 |
| morgan | ayoung: oh wit nvm. | 18:36 |
| morgan | ayoung: i misread | 18:36 |
| ayoung | Heh | 18:36 |
| morgan | ayoung: nvm... | 18:36 |
| morgan | sigh | 18:36 |
| bknudson | fakeldap looks like python-ldap, too | 18:36 |
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| dstanek | bknudson: hmm... i though it was more of a generic server | 18:37 |
| dstanek | maybe we'll have some work to do | 18:37 |
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| ayoung | this would be a great "Hey I want to get into Keystone" project for a new contributor | 18:37 |
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| dstanek | so do we have a spec or who will write it for ldap? | 18:37 |
| bknudson | I wouldn't want to do the work to write up an ldap3 until we've got tests for the driver interface. | 18:38 |
| bknudson | because the way the drivers are tested now is just going to mean all the tests run 20 times instead of 6 like they do now | 18:38 |
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| ayoung | bknudson, can you won the specs on that, and I'll help find coders? | 18:39 |
| ayoung | won->own | 18:39 |
| bknudson | I can write up a spec | 18:39 |
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| dstanek | #action bknudson to write up a spec for ldap! | 18:40 |
| ayoung | cool. So, any other long term plans for Keystone that we should all be aware of? | 18:40 |
| gyee | ayoung, small things, like revocation event optimization | 18:41 |
| ayoung | gyee, ah, good point | 18:41 |
| ayoung | Fernet default | 18:41 |
| ayoung | I had working code for "liveness" checks replacing many of the revocation events | 18:41 |
| lbragstad | ayoung patch? | 18:42 |
| gyee | better logging to make it easier to monitor | 18:42 |
| shaleh | gyee: I was typing that as you were | 18:42 |
| ayoung | IE. instead of revoke by project, just chekc at token validation time if the project exists and is active | 18:42 |
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| ayoung | lbragstad, sure | 18:42 |
| shaleh | make INFO actually usable for operators | 18:42 |
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| amakarov_ | What about adding missing federation features to the os-cli? Is this job done already? | 18:42 |
| ayoung | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/285134/ Remove unneeded revocation events | 18:42 |
| shaleh | amakarov_: all of the pieces exist now. Someone just needs to synthesize an interface | 18:43 |
| ayoung | amakarov_, I think it is in the CLI, just not in Puppet | 18:43 |
| shaleh | amakarov_: it was on my plan but I am not hacking on federation currently | 18:43 |
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| ayoung | what is missing from CLI? | 18:43 |
| shaleh | ayoung: --use-this-SP | 18:43 |
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| shaleh | ayoung: --with-this-type-of-auth | 18:43 |
| ayoung | shaleh, K2K is not Federation | 18:44 |
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| ayoung | Heh | 18:44 |
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| amakarov_ | ayoung, shaleh: couple of months ago there was no way to register a service provider for ex. | 18:44 |
| marekd | is ksa merged into osc? | 18:44 |
| ayoung | OK, so please tag that stuff as K2K, as calling it Federation is really confusing. | 18:44 |
| amakarov_ | ayoung: got it | 18:44 |
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| gyee | ayoung, what do you call K2K? | 18:44 |
| ayoung | gyee, using Keystone token in one Keystone via SAML to get a Keystone token in another | 18:45 |
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| amakarov_ | gyee: it's when IdP is a Keystone in another cloud | 18:45 |
| ayoung | SP is only there for that case, not basic K2K | 18:45 |
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| ayoung | right, what he said bettern I did | 18:45 |
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| gyee | huh? | 18:46 |
| shaleh | amakarov_: for K2K, the only bit outside of Keystone API is setting up the SAML bits inside shibboleth or whatever. | 18:46 |
| ayoung | gyee, forget it | 18:46 |
| amakarov_ | shaleh: ack, thank you | 18:46 |
| dstanek | #action dstanek to summarize the list of things people mentioned as need in N | 18:47 |
| ayoung | So any other major items we need for Newton ? | 18:47 |
| dstanek | do we have any other topics? | 18:47 |
| gyee | dstanek, that's a bucket-full already! | 18:47 |
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| dstanek | gyee: overflowing | 18:47 |
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| dstanek | what else is new? | 18:48 |
| bknudson | looks like we can skip the summit since we've got it all taken care of | 18:48 |
| dstanek | bknudson: ++ | 18:48 |
| bknudson | we'll be out by the pool | 18:48 |
| shaleh | bknudson: nah, we need to sit together and argue some more. | 18:48 |
| samueldmq | hehe | 18:48 |
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| shaleh | bknudson: come to an agreement. Then have morgan change his mind and derail things. | 18:48 |
| gyee | now we finally have time to wait for Franklin BBQ | 18:48 |
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| dstanek | #open open discussion | 18:48 |
| morgan | shaleh: i've removed my -2s btw | 18:49 |
| morgan | shaleh: but whatever :P | 18:49 |
| shaleh | morgan: for now :-) | 18:49 |
| morgan | shaleh: even told gyee | 18:49 |
| morgan | shaleh: forever. | 18:49 |
| dstanek | morgan: put them back | 18:49 |
| morgan | dstanek: nope. | 18:49 |
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| dstanek | if there's no real work conversation we can call the meeting early | 18:49 |
| morgan | dstanek: mostly cause i can't login to launchpad :P | 18:49 |
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| ayoung | morgan and I are tag teaming to add up to 1 termie | 18:49 |
| lbragstad | i have a question | 18:49 |
| shaleh | morgan: but, I need your disapproval to give me a reason to keep hacking. | 18:49 |
| ayoung | He -2s and I derail conversations in IRC | 18:49 |
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| lbragstad | thoughts on the validity of https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1552795 ? | 18:50 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1552795 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "enhance notification for user events with user name" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Lance Bragstad (lbragstad) | 18:50 |
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| gyee | lbragstad, username is not worldly unique | 18:50 |
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| bknudson | do we still have 2 kinds of notifications? | 18:50 |
| bknudson | cadf and whatever else they're called? | 18:50 |
| lbragstad | bknudson yes - kinda | 18:50 |
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| lbragstad | bknudson you can either have 'basic' or 'cadf' notifications | 18:51 |
| bknudson | does cadf have a field for user name? | 18:51 |
| gyee | but I am also working on https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1537963 | 18:51 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1537963 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "notification not generated for authentication failure with invalid user name" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Guang Yee (guang-yee) | 18:51 |
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| lbragstad | cadf notifications just include information about the initiator i believe? | 18:51 |
| ayoung | BTW, Audit events from Keystone are totally spoofable | 18:51 |
| ayoung | as are any other messages on the bus | 18:51 |
| bknudson | you better protect your bus | 18:52 |
| ayoung | Does anyone protect the bus? | 18:52 |
| gyee | bknudon, non-repudiation is what we need | 18:52 |
| gyee | not about the transport | 18:52 |
| ayoung | gyee, wrong | 18:52 |
| ayoung | it is about the transport, too | 18:52 |
| bknudson | if I could spoof messages I'd start booting instances, too | 18:52 |
| dstanek | where's Keanu when you need him | 18:52 |
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| ayoung | what we need is access control | 18:52 |
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| ayoung | http://adam.younglogic.com/2016/03/what-can-talk-to-what-on-the-openstack-message-broker/ | 18:53 |
| ayoung | ideally, only Keystone would be able to write to the keystone topic | 18:53 |
| ayoung | but writing that as a regex would be frightening | 18:53 |
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| ayoung | we should at a minimun have a keystone rabbit user on localhost | 18:54 |
| gyee | ayoung, still can run into man-in-the-middle | 18:54 |
| ayoung | and set up the acl that only the Keystone user can write to the keystone topic | 18:54 |
| lbragstad | i'm going to put the patch I was working on for adding usernames to notifications on hold then (and review other bug fixes instead) | 18:55 |
| dstanek | there's also message signing | 18:55 |
| ayoung | gyee, nah, not if we configure the broker right | 18:55 |
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| ayoung | broker can enforce that keystone is local and is the only writer, or we need to set up TLS for distrbituted, and use X509 for client auth | 18:55 |
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| ayoung | gyee, simplest case: keystone is a localhost user, only keystone user can write to the keystone topic | 18:56 |
| dstanek | lbragstad: that sounds like a plan; i want to read over that bug | 18:56 |
| ayoung | everything else extends from there | 18:56 |
| lbragstad | dstanek i'd be curious to know what your thoughts are | 18:56 |
| dstanek | lbragstad: that makes two of us | 18:56 |
| ayoung | [{rabbit, [{loopback_users, [guest, keystone]}]}] | 18:56 |
| lbragstad | dstanek seems like it would be easy to bloat the notification | 18:56 |
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| dstanek | lbragstad: yeah, without reading that bug, i'd wonder why that is needed if we have the actual id | 18:57 |
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| lbragstad | Dmitri has some justifications for it | 18:57 |
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| samueldmq | 2 mins left | 18:57 |
| lbragstad | but we also run into cases where usernames are mutable | 18:58 |
| lbragstad | etc... | 18:58 |
| dstanek | ok, i'm going to call it in a min and we can take it to our channel | 18:58 |
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| ayoung | morgan, if only the Keystone user can write to the topic, no spoofs | 18:58 |
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| dstanek | #endmeeting | 18:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 8 18:59:06 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2016/keystone.2016-03-08-18.01.html | 18:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2016/keystone.2016-03-08-18.01.txt | 18:59 |
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| dstanek | get back to work! | 18:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/keystone/2016/keystone.2016-03-08-18.01.log.html | 18:59 |
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| fungi | infra team, assemble! | 18:59 |
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| AJaeger | o/ | 19:00 |
| yolanda | o/ | 19:00 |
| clarkb | systems operational | 19:00 |
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| crinkle | o/ | 19:00 |
| pleia2 | o/ | 19:00 |
| SotK | o/ | 19:00 |
| pabelanger | o/ | 19:00 |
| bkero | o/ | 19:00 |
| jeblair | bzzt *pop* | 19:00 |
| jhesketh | Morning | 19:00 |
| Zara | o/ | 19:00 |
| Clint | o/ | 19:00 |
| tonyb | \o | 19:00 |
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| asselin | 0/ | 19:01 |
| fungi | wow, everyone with their name next to a topic seems to be here! | 19:01 |
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| ianw | o/ | 19:01 |
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| fungi | mordred: SergeyLukjanov: nibalizer: infra meeting starting | 19:02 |
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| fungi | #startmeeting infra | 19:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 8 19:02:30 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is fungi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: infra)" | 19:02 | |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'infra' | 19:02 |
| fungi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 19:02 |
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| fungi | #topic Announcements | 19:02 |
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| fungi | #info It's my extreme pleasure to welcom Paul Belanger (pabelanger) to the infra | 19:02 |
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| fungi | -core team and as an infra-root sysadmin. | 19:02 |
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| fungi | #undo | 19:03 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Info object at 0xa998ed0> | 19:03 |
| fungi | darned stray newlines | 19:03 |
| AJaeger | welcome, pabelanger ! | 19:03 |
| yolanda | congrats pabelanger! | 19:03 |
| fungi | and typos | 19:03 |
| anteaya | congratulations | 19:03 |
| jesusaur | o/ | 19:03 |
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| pleia2 | much deserved, pabelanger :) | 19:03 |
| Zara | :D | 19:03 |
| jeblair | pabelanger: YAY! | 19:03 |
| fungi | #info It's my extreme pleasure to welcome Paul Belanger (pabelanger) to the infra-core team and as an infra-root sysadmin. | 19:03 |
| fungi | that's what i wanted | 19:03 |
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| pabelanger | Thanks! I'm honored to join the team :) | 19:03 |
| SotK | congrats! | 19:03 |
| jhesketh | yay, congrats pabelanger :-) | 19:03 |
| fungi | pabelanger has been with us for years, pioneering some of our first efforts at puppet testing and style normalization | 19:03 |
| cody-somerville | \o_ | 19:04 |
| asselin | pabelanger, congrats! | 19:04 |
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| fungi | helped design and maintain our pbx.openstack.org asterisk service | 19:04 |
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| fungi | has pitched in all over the place really | 19:04 |
| fungi | so just wanted to say thanks! and hopefully the additional responsibility doesn't beat you down too quickly ;) | 19:04 |
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| pabelanger | Happy to help where I can | 19:05 |
| pabelanger | and thanks again | 19:05 |
| mrmartin | congrats | 19:05 |
| fungi | pabelanger: when you get a moment, submit a change to system-config to realize your account on all servers, and we'll try to get a majority of the current infra-root admins to +2 it | 19:05 |
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| pabelanger | fungi: ack | 19:05 |
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| pleia2 | speaking of pabelanger, one of the two infra talks submitted to the summit was accepted: https://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/summit-schedule/events/7337 | 19:06 |
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| pleia2 | "OpenStack Infrastruture for Beginners | 19:06 |
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| anteaya | congratulations | 19:06 |
| yolanda | congrats! | 19:06 |
| fungi | yes, we'll need to make sure we crack open our design summit session brainstorming soon too, probably next week | 19:06 |
| pleia2 | so thanks to him for leading the way on the talk submissions | 19:06 |
| AJaeger | ++ | 19:07 |
| fungi | on that note i've confirmed with ttx and thingee that we'll stick with requesting what we had in tokyo, as far as room allocations | 19:07 |
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| fungi | okay, on with the show | 19:07 |
| fungi | #topic Actions from last meeting | 19:07 |
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| fungi | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2016/infra.2016-03-01-19.15.html | 19:07 |
| fungi | "1. (none)" | 19:07 |
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| fungi | we really don't seem to use #action much any more, likely my fault | 19:07 |
| fungi | #topic Specs approval | 19:07 |
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| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/287577 Create elections.openstack.org | 19:08 |
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| fungi | tonyb: jhesketh: you wanted to talk about this a little? | 19:08 |
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| fungi | is this hoping to get set up in time for elections in a week-ish, or is this for newton? | 19:08 |
| jhesketh | it'd be great to have it for elections this week | 19:08 |
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| fungi | it looks like it has a couple positive roll-call votes already | 19:09 |
| tonyb | The oroginal idea was to use it for this election cycle but I understand if we just trial it this time | 19:09 |
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| tonyb | and use it as the primary source of tinformation in the ocata election | 19:09 |
| anteaya | nominations open friday, right? | 19:09 |
| tonyb | anteaya: right | 19:09 |
| anteaya | what timeline do you want to see for the work on this spec? | 19:09 |
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| anteaya | I think we agree by friday would be tough to do | 19:10 |
| zaro | o/ | 19:10 |
| tonyb | anteaya: sure. It'd be great to have it done for say the opening of the TC nominations | 19:10 |
| jhesketh | to begin with it's just publishing the output of the candidate list, so it's useful but I don't think (and tonyb will correct me if I'm wrong) it'll matter if it appears half way through the election too | 19:10 |
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| tonyb | with is about 2 weeks from now | 19:10 |
| fungi | i'm still leaning more toward having this appear somewhere on governance.o.o, but i think that's an implementation detail. it's not hard to graft in a separate publication tree at a specific url in the vhost config (and saves us adding another subdomain in dns, another ssl cert, et cetera), plus seems more like the logical place for it | 19:10 |
| jhesketh | but yes, it'd be best to have it before opening | 19:10 |
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| anteaya | I'm all for doing great things for elections including communicaiton | 19:11 |
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| tonyb | fungi: I'm coo with that but thought it'd be harder than the proposal, happy to be wrong | 19:11 |
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| fungi | elections are a big part of our governance | 19:11 |
| anteaya | I'm hesitant to do somethign quick or fast as the amount of confusion around elections is high | 19:11 |
| anteaya | do speak up if you disagree with me | 19:11 |
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| jhesketh | anteaya: would this help with any of the confusion? | 19:12 |
| fungi | and the governance site is not called technical-committee.openstack.org but i guess ttx and the tc may object if we put non-tc-controlled content there | 19:12 |
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| anteaya | jhesketh: I'm concerned it would create some rather than alliviating | 19:12 |
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| fungi | anyway, feels like i'm bikeshedding now so i'll stop | 19:12 |
| jhesketh | anteaya: how so? | 19:12 |
| anteaya | I'd be for implimenting this for the fall elections | 19:12 |
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| anteaya | last minute stuff of any kind really throws people | 19:13 |
| anteaya | I'm fine if I'm the minority | 19:13 |
| tonyb | anteaya: I hear you point. | 19:13 |
| bkero | Would it count as last minute if it were announced today? | 19:13 |
| bkero | (but not necessarily live today) | 19:13 |
| anteaya | bkero: it would for me | 19:13 |
| anteaya | and announcing something that isnt' up would create confusion | 19:13 |
| jeblair | maybe we should invite the tc to bikeshed on the proposal and hosting location? | 19:13 |
| tonyb | anteaya: it may be I'm under estimating the level of confusion it'd cause | 19:14 |
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| fungi | can't hurt to bring it up during open discussion in the meeting an hour from now, if there's time | 19:14 |
| anteaya | tonyb: I may be overestimating | 19:14 |
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| fungi | just to let them know the spec has been proposed | 19:14 |
| anteaya | but my position would be this would be great to have in place for next fall | 19:14 |
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| tonyb | anteaya: If it's more appropriate I can talk to you about this after the meeting | 19:15 |
| anteaya | if you like | 19:15 |
| anteaya | but you asked for the infra opinion | 19:16 |
| anteaya | and as a member of infra, I'm offering my opinion | 19:16 |
| tonyb | anteaya: not trying to shut anything down etc just don't want to over stay my welcome | 19:16 |
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| fungi | so anyway, tonyb: jhesketh: timeline aside, you feel like this is ready to go up for final council vote with a spec approval in a couple days? and see if a tc member wants to -1 it calling for further discussion/deferral? | 19:16 |
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| fungi | or give it another week to collect some more opinions/input? | 19:16 |
| jhesketh | fungi: the scope of the spec is small enough (imo) that it could be voted on.. resolving the location and the timing is possibly something that can be done in the spec | 19:17 |
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| jhesketh | sounds like it might be best to get concensus on that before it's approved | 19:17 |
| jhesketh | tonyb: what do you think? | 19:17 |
| tonyb | I'm fine with a week from now. | 19:18 |
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| jeblair | my understanding is this should have minimal impact to the elections process, so i also don't mind if it shows up now, partway through, or after this cycle | 19:18 |
| tonyb | jeblair: correct. | 19:18 |
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| jeblair | but i take anteaya's point, and would suggest that perhaps a soft-launch might be the thing if we do decide to launch it earlier... | 19:19 |
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| zaro | o/~. | 19:19 |
| jeblair | zaro: that's like in an out of the meeting in one line | 19:20 |
| fungi | okay, so let's push to next week, and give the tc members a heads up | 19:20 |
| zaro | oops. had to leave for just a min. | 19:20 |
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| jeblair | i'm happy to volunteer to bring it to the tc's attention | 19:21 |
| fungi | thanks jeblair! | 19:21 |
| fungi | useful to have a tc member participate in our meetings ;) | 19:21 |
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| AJaeger | fungi, time for #action ? | 19:21 |
| fungi | oh, sure | 19:21 |
| hashar | o/ good morning | 19:21 |
| fungi | #action jeblair Give the TC a heads up on "Create elections.openstack.org" spec | 19:22 |
| olaph | o/ | 19:22 |
| fungi | #topic Priority Efforts: Store Build Logs in Swift | 19:22 |
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| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/269928/1/specs/logs-in-afs.rst AFS strategy | 19:22 |
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| jhesketh | so probably not much to discuss during the meeting... just want to get some feedback on comments I put in that review | 19:23 |
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| jeblair | oh, i should respond to that! | 19:23 |
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| jhesketh | (there is also https://review.openstack.org/#/c/254718/ which updates the swift strategy in case we wanted to return to that) | 19:23 |
| fungi | #link https://review.openstack.org/254718 swift strategy update | 19:24 |
| jeblair | and then at some point we're going to have to make a decision. :) | 19:25 |
| jhesketh | yes, that would be helpful | 19:25 |
| jeblair | so it'd be good for folks to read up on both of those and leave questions/thoughts/etc | 19:25 |
| fungi | definitely. anything else on this? | 19:26 |
| jhesketh | not from me, thanks :-) | 19:26 |
| jeblair | i think they're both valid options, so it's a tricky call. | 19:26 |
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| fungi | #topic Gerrit tuning (zaro) | 19:26 |
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| clarkb | ++ to more info on how sharding would give us resiliency and more disk space | 19:27 |
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| zaro | there's a few things here, but probably start with most urgent. the gerrit jvm gc issue? | 19:27 |
| clarkb | yes the gerrit jvm gc issue persists, I think the change to update the timeouts has helped (we no longer fall over consistently through the week only once the GC starts to get bad) | 19:27 |
| zaro | i haven't found a solution to this besides trying to throw more memory at Gerrit. i think that's what we discussed last time as well. | 19:28 |
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| fungi | plan there is to have a plan for a gerrit server rebuild onto a larger flavor, with preemptive announcement about new ip address for companies who have bloched egress for their employees, yeah? | 19:28 |
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| anteaya | I think we were at the point of trying to understand how much memory | 19:28 |
| clarkb | I think what we need to do is determine how much space gerrit needs, boot a new VM of that size, tell people what the new IP will be then switch at some point after people have a chance to update firewalls | 19:28 |
| anteaya | so we could create a new vm and announce the ips | 19:28 |
| clarkb | anteaya: yup, we need to know how big the new VM needs to be | 19:28 |
| anteaya | right | 19:28 |
| anteaya | so how big does the new vm need to be? | 19:29 |
| fungi | last time we did 1 month advance notice, right? | 19:29 |
| anteaya | asselin: was it one month? | 19:29 |
| clarkb | anteaya: I don't think anyone knows | 19:29 |
| anteaya | right | 19:29 |
| anteaya | any guesses? | 19:29 |
| fungi | 12 parsecs? | 19:30 |
| zaro | currently there's 12 Gigs allocated. so i think last i suggested was up it to 20G+? | 19:30 |
| clarkb | currently we are in a 30GB VM with 12GB allocated to the jvm | 19:30 |
| bkero | Any thoughts to overallocating for future-proofing? | 19:30 |
| clarkb | if we go to a 60GB VM we can probably bump the JVM up to at least 30GB | 19:30 |
| zaro | that sounds good. | 19:30 |
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| jeblair | and we actually use 20G of ram | 19:31 |
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| jeblair | including apache, etc... | 19:31 |
| jhesketh | I'm guessing it's not possible to resize the vm or reattach the existing ip to a new one? | 19:32 |
| fungi | the other 10gb is mostly for cache/buffers so we don't have terrible i/o performance | 19:32 |
| clarkb | jhesketh: correct | 19:32 |
| clarkb | jhesketh: resize is not allowed and rax doesn't do floating IPs | 19:32 |
| fungi | clarkb: or at least not on the flavor we're currently using | 19:32 |
| anteaya | fungi: it was one month advance notice: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-February/056508.html | 19:32 |
| clarkb | right, some flavors are resizeable | 19:32 |
| fungi | (maybe due to pvhvm, as jeblair theorized) | 19:32 |
| jeblair | when does xenial come out? | 19:33 |
| fungi | april | 19:33 |
| fungi | something | 19:33 |
| bkero | Usually near the end | 19:33 |
| clarkb | right around summit time | 19:33 |
| clarkb | I think thursday before summit | 19:33 |
| pleia2 | week before summit | 19:33 |
| fungi | april 21 looks like? | 19:33 |
| pleia2 | clarkb: yep | 19:33 |
| pleia2 | fungi: yeah | 19:33 |
| jeblair | maybe we can apt-get dist-upgrade to xenial before we do the switch... | 19:33 |
| fungi | #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XenialXerus/ReleaseSchedule Ubuntu Xenial Release Schedule | 19:33 |
| jeblair | since we'll need to launch the machine soon to reserve the ip | 19:33 |
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| pabelanger | jeblair: do you know if anybody has tried our puppet manifests on Xenial yet? | 19:34 |
| fungi | it would certainly be nice to not have two ip moves for ram increase and distro upgrade | 19:34 |
| clarkb | pabelanger: I doubt it and they likely don't work around systemd | 19:34 |
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| pabelanger | looks like xenial is still on puppet 3.7.2 | 19:34 |
| jeblair | if we decided to do that, we'd have 6-8 weeks to fix it... | 19:34 |
| clarkb | but maybe they do, not sure how well the sysv init compat layer works for compatbility with upstarts sysv compat layer | 19:34 |
| pabelanger | sorry 3.8.4 | 19:35 |
| fungi | pabelanger: well, we use puppetlabs' packages anyway | 19:35 |
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| pabelanger | fungi: right, was curious if they made the jump to puppet 4 like fedora did. Either way, fun times head with systemd | 19:36 |
| yolanda | what will be the policy for upgrading to xenial, in terms of our components, and of nodes for jobs? | 19:36 |
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| zaro | why are we talking about distro upgrade? that seems like more work. | 19:36 |
| fungi | i don't know that we're going to have a policy. we'll be lucky to have more than a loose plan | 19:36 |
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| persia | +1 on upgrades being more work | 19:36 |
| clarkb | zaro: because the next lts happens in about a month too | 19:36 |
| clarkb | zaro: and we will want ot upgrade to xenial at some point | 19:36 |
| hashar | that topic made me come. Might be out of topic but have you considered migrating to Debian Jessie ? (just yes/no no need to fork the discussion) | 19:37 |
| clarkb | zaro: if we combine them we can avoid two ip changes in a short span of time | 19:37 |
| rcarrillocruz | to avoid double migration i guess | 19:37 |
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| clarkb | zaro: but you are right it makes things more complicated | 19:37 |
| rcarrillocruz | we had same situation in gozer on gerrit upgrade | 19:37 |
| rcarrillocruz | to upgrade OS + gerrit or just gerrit | 19:37 |
| fungi | hashar: that's a definite rathole discussion. we can bring it up during open discussion if we have one this time | 19:37 |
| rcarrillocruz | imho, i think os upgrade is a bit tight in terms of schedule | 19:37 |
| jeblair | it's 2x the work if we do them together. it's 4x the work if we do them separately. | 19:37 |
| zaro | well, i remember it took a lot of testing going from precise to trusty | 19:38 |
| hashar | fungi: yeah I guess it is better for out of meeting talks. Thank! | 19:38 |
| fungi | so i suppose it's important to decide if we're going to want to urgently start upgrading systems to xenial (noting that trusty's going to be supported for a long time still and we're even now struggling to finish migrating off precise for many of our servers) | 19:39 |
| jeblair | yes, if we want it to just live on trusty for a few more years, that's fine | 19:39 |
| pabelanger | didn't pleia2 recommend waiting for a bit? | 19:39 |
| anteaya | she did | 19:39 |
| fungi | i'm personally fine if rebuilding review.openstack.org on xenial is a 2017 timeline | 19:39 |
| anteaya | fungi: I support that | 19:40 |
| zaro | +1 | 19:40 |
| jeblair | or 2018, more likely | 19:40 |
| clarkb | and maybe start with precise to xenial jump | 19:40 |
| clarkb | ? | 19:40 |
| pleia2 | it's mostly about when we want to tackle the systemd changes | 19:40 |
| jeblair | clarkb: ++ | 19:40 |
| fungi | well, review.o.o is on trusty now | 19:40 |
| fungi | but sure | 19:40 |
| pleia2 | which is the main thin I'm concerned about WRT our puppet configs | 19:40 |
| fungi | for other systems | 19:40 |
| anteaya | so did we like the idea of a 60GB vm? | 19:40 |
| jeblair | fungi: that's how i took that suggestion | 19:40 |
| anteaya | that was the last/bigggest suggestion I was tracking | 19:40 |
| fungi | yeah, 60gb seemed to have some consensus | 19:41 |
| clarkb | anteaya: it sounded like zaro felt that 30GB jvm would be sufficient? | 19:41 |
| clarkb | zaro: ^ if so the nyes I think 60GB VM will work and we should launch that size | 19:41 |
| fungi | 60gb instance i mean (for 30gb jvm) | 19:41 |
| anteaya | clarkb: and 60GB vm would give us 30GB for the jvm? | 19:41 |
| jhesketh | is this something that we should consider baremetal for? | 19:41 |
| clarkb | anteaya: based on rough napkin math yes at least 30GB for jvm | 19:41 |
| zaro | i think that should work. | 19:41 |
| anteaya | +1 60GB vm | 19:41 |
| jhesketh | and/or given the pain of having to do it more than once, just going for the biggest machine possible? | 19:42 |
| fungi | i'm concerned about additional complexity with baremetal conflating this upgrade for similar reasons that i'm concerned about upgrading to xenial as part of the rebuild | 19:42 |
| hashar | wikimedia Gerrit is on baremetal with 24GB used out of 32GB | 19:42 |
| clarkb | fungi: yes, the images are different for example | 19:42 |
| clarkb | and we can't easily provide our own if necessary, etc | 19:42 |
| anteaya | hashar: gerrit 2.11? | 19:42 |
| pleia2 | fungi: yeah, I was being more cautious about infra-cloud | 19:42 |
| jhesketh | fungi: okay that makes sense | 19:42 |
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| hashar | 14GB being buffers/cache. Wikimedia probably has a similar traffic as your | 19:42 |
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| hashar | anteaya: still 2.8 :( | 19:42 |
| clarkb | and maybe we should look into what is required for resizing | 19:43 |
| * zaro likes jhesketh idea, go big! | 19:43 | |
| clarkb | so that if we do need to resize it is an option | 19:43 |
| jeblair | a 60g vm would probably give us room for 40g or more for java | 19:43 |
| anteaya | hashar: yeah 2.8 has less of a gc issue than 2.11 | 19:43 |
| jeblair | we started using a lot more ram in january | 19:43 |
| fungi | okay, so sounds like we're agreed on the instance size, and nobody's heavily advocating for a non-vm or for lumping in a distro upgrade | 19:43 |
| hashar | anteaya: I guess that is why WMF waits for you to upgrade Gerrit before we even consider doing it ;-} | 19:43 |
| anteaya | hashar: I don't blame you | 19:44 |
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| fungi | do we have an infra-root volunteer to spin up the replacement instance? and a volunteer (can be non-root, or the same person) to write up the announcement about the ip address change once that's done? | 19:44 |
| jeblair | do we know why memory use increased in january? | 19:44 |
| clarkb | jeblair: we upgraded | 19:45 |
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| clarkb | jeblair: it actually started in december | 19:45 |
| anteaya | so if we announce this week, that puts us into the second or third week of april for the migration | 19:45 |
| yolanda | fungi i can do it | 19:45 |
| jeblair | http://cacti.openstack.org/cacti/graph.php?action=zoom&local_graph_id=27&rra_id=4&view_type=&graph_start=1424412872&graph_end=1457466056 | 19:45 |
| anteaya | shall we select a date? | 19:45 |
| clarkb | jeblair: yes we bumped the jvm from 8GB to 12 GB | 19:45 |
| fungi | december the system sat mostly idle while everyone was sipping eggnog | 19:45 |
| anteaya | I'm away 1st week of april, here for the 2nd and 3rd weeks | 19:45 |
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| jeblair | clarkb: ah ok, thanks. | 19:45 |
| clarkb | but the leaking and problems started in decemeber on 8GB | 19:45 |
| fungi | just weren't painful enough for us to bump the jvm up until people came back to work from holidays | 19:46 |
| fungi | yolanda: thanks! | 19:46 |
| anteaya | are folks around the 2nd and 3rd week of april? | 19:46 |
| nibalizer | fungi: re baremetal I agree we shouldn't baremetal lightly | 19:46 |
| clarkb | I will be around pre summit | 19:46 |
| anteaya | or are folks taking time off before teh summit? | 19:46 |
| anteaya | clarkb: thanks | 19:46 |
| zaro | i'm around except for week before summit and during | 19:46 |
| yolanda | i should be | 19:46 |
| anteaya | zaro: great | 19:46 |
| fungi | #agreed Gerrit for review.openstack.org will be moved to a new 60GB virtual machine instance | 19:46 |
| nibalizer | though in my use of onMetal from rax its been straighforward and very much nova like | 19:46 |
| anteaya | so second week of april so zaro is around | 19:47 |
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| anteaya | I'm going to offer Thursday April 14th as a date? | 19:47 |
| fungi | #action yolanda Boot a replacement review.openstack.org and communicate the new IP address and maintenance window in an announcement E-mail | 19:47 |
| nibalizer | thats not great for me | 19:47 |
| olaph | there is definitely a point of diminishing returns in terms of jvm memory size. it can take some doing to find the sweet spot | 19:47 |
| anteaya | nibalizer: what is better? | 19:47 |
| anteaya | nibalizer: are you around that week? | 19:48 |
| zaro | i will be on vacation the week after though. | 19:48 |
| nibalizer | the 7th? | 19:48 |
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| anteaya | I'm away | 19:48 |
| clarkb | we don't all need ot be around if there are enough volunteers | 19:48 |
| nibalizer | ya | 19:48 |
| fungi | my only travel plans are for the summit | 19:48 |
| anteaya | plus that just inside of 4 weeks | 19:48 |
| anteaya | okay if folks want the 7th | 19:48 |
| pleia2 | fungi: same | 19:48 |
| anteaya | April 7th | 19:48 |
| yolanda | ++ | 19:48 |
| fungi | so i can be around whenever up until the saturday before the summit | 19:48 |
| clarkb | lets do 14th | 19:48 |
| pabelanger | WFM | 19:48 |
| pabelanger | either date | 19:48 |
| clarkb | it gives us an extra week, people will be around, etc | 19:48 |
| clarkb | the reason for the lead time is corp firewalls | 19:48 |
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| zaro | 7th is better i think | 19:49 |
| fungi | 14th is good for me. 20:00 utc? earlier? later? | 19:49 |
| clarkb | I am inclined to give them an extra week if we can otherwise they will complain and that whole idea is to avoid their complaining | 19:49 |
| clarkb | zaro: why is that? | 19:49 |
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| zaro | i will be on vacation week after 14th(week before summit) | 19:49 |
| nibalizer | should we just move the ip to a load balancer host? | 19:49 |
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| clarkb | nibalizer: I don't think so | 19:50 |
| nibalizer | that way we can do gerrit moves and upgrades with less disruption | 19:50 |
| fungi | nibalizer: to avoid complaints? | 19:50 |
| fungi | it's our anti-complainment field | 19:50 |
| clarkb | because you still have to do this dance with the load balancer | 19:50 |
| nibalizer | right but haproxy doesn't have memory leaks | 19:50 |
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| zaro | i have no problem with 14th, just know that i won't be around week after. | 19:50 |
| fungi | or bugs of any kind! | 19:50 |
| clarkb | nibalizer: no but haproxy has config updates and os upgrades like everything else | 19:50 |
| nibalizer | fungi: exactly | 19:50 |
| persia | clarkb: Only once: next time will be easier | 19:51 |
| bkero | nibalizer: I think the right way is floating IP | 19:51 |
| bkero | and maybe if we're switching instances we can use that? | 19:51 |
| clarkb | persia: not once, we try to keep things relatively up to date | 19:51 |
| nibalizer | bkero: but we don't have that on rackspace | 19:51 |
| clarkb | bkero: floating IPs don't exist | 19:51 |
| bkero | Ah, I thought that was just for the instance type that it was on | 19:51 |
| fungi | i can see potentially adding a floating ip and naming it something like ssh.review.openstack.org or something, but only having it for the use of people stuck behind firewalls who want us not to change addresses | 19:51 |
| * persia has too much lag and goes back to lurking. The only once was about load balancer IP dancing. | 19:51 | |
| anteaya | nibalizer: is any date the second week of april better for you? | 19:52 |
| anteaya | nibalizer: or is that whole week bad for you? | 19:52 |
| fungi | and even then, if we need to move it to a different region, or a different provider, or rackspace just needs to renumber their networks, we still have this issue | 19:52 |
| nibalizer | anteaya: i don't know what my plans are yet | 19:52 |
| nibalizer | best not to count on me for anything | 19:52 |
| anteaya | okay | 19:52 |
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| clarkb | zaro: what about earlier in the week of the 14th? | 19:52 |
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| clarkb | zaro: say the 12th? | 19:52 |
| fungi | i see making things hard on companies who have draconian egress filtering policies a feature, personally | 19:52 |
| clarkb | or 11th | 19:52 |
| anteaya | we could do the 11th | 19:53 |
| Clint | fungi++ | 19:53 |
| yolanda | fungi what we did for gozer migration is just update dns entries. We had some automated scripts to move the data, then announce the outage, update the database, and update the dns entry to point to the new ip | 19:53 |
| zaro | yes, those all work. just know that i'll be out week after. | 19:53 |
| anteaya | then we have all that week if we have issues | 19:53 |
| anteaya | zaro: yup | 19:53 |
| fungi | the internet does not guarantee ip addresses will stay the same forever. that's why we have dns | 19:53 |
| anteaya | is April 11th bad for anyone | 19:53 |
| anteaya | that knows their schedule | 19:53 |
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| yolanda | having that in an automated way, supposed a small outage really | 19:54 |
| fungi | i can also do monday april 11 | 19:54 |
| jeblair | fungi: dns might catch on some day. | 19:54 |
| anteaya | fungi: awesome | 19:54 |
| rcarrillocruz | yeah, we automated and iterated the script migration dozens of times really | 19:54 |
| anteaya | what time of day do folks like? | 19:54 |
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| anteaya | I like when we start about 1600 or 1700 and have a 4 hour window | 19:54 |
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| anteaya | mysefl | 19:54 |
| fungi | yolanda: the outage for this is really pretty brief anyway. the impact is companies who need to petition their firewall admis through a bunch of red tape to change where they allow ssh traffic to go | 19:54 |
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| anteaya | fungi: how long of an outage do we expect? | 19:55 |
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| yolanda | so we can have an ip reserved and announce that ip publicly with enough time | 19:55 |
| fungi | we can look at how long it was for the trusty upgrade cut-over. my memory says we were down for just a few minutes | 19:55 |
| anteaya | yolanda: yes | 19:55 |
| jeblair | (it's worth noting that users can use https to push changes, but third-party ci systems will still want to use ssh stream events) | 19:55 |
| anteaya | fungi: awesome | 19:55 |
| jeblair | and indeed, we should note that in the ip announcement :) | 19:55 |
| anteaya | so a 30 minute window? | 19:55 |
| jeblair | yolanda: ^ | 19:56 |
| fungi | really, our data is on a cinder volume and in a trove instance. the nova virtual machine instance for review.o.o is itself pretty stateless | 19:56 |
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| yolanda | 30 minute - 1 hour range, to give more room ? | 19:56 |
| jeblair | it's cloud native enterprise java | 19:56 |
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| anteaya | fungi had suggested 20:00 utc earlier | 19:57 |
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| fungi | i don't mind announcing 1 hour. java is enterprise scale so our estimates should be too ;) | 19:57 |
| anteaya | April 11th, 20:00 to 21:00 utc? | 19:57 |
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| clarkb | wfm | 19:57 |
| yolanda | jeblair, i have the numbers from gozer data migration, not from infra. Do you have timings from previous moves? | 19:57 |
| fungi | anteaya: 20:00 is when our usual activity peak starts to wane which is the only reason we tend to gravitate toward then or later | 19:57 |
| clarkb | yolanda: rsync makes it fast | 19:57 |
| hashar | always plan a schedule window larger than anticpiated | 19:57 |
| rcarrillocruz | hashar: ++ | 19:57 |
| anteaya | fungi: yup, makes sense if we expect a short outage | 19:57 |
| yolanda | hashar is wise | 19:58 |
| hashar | worse thing that can happen: maintenance is completed in advance and people praise how good you are doing maintenance | 19:58 |
| pleia2 | hashar: hehe | 19:58 |
| clarkb | keep the delta small ahead of time then rsync copies the difference with services off | 19:58 |
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| clarkb | then update dns | 19:58 |
| hashar | so if you plan 30 minutes, make it 2 hours. So if you screw up something and take 1 hour to recover. You are still done 30 minutes before deadline | 19:58 |
| AJaeger | fungi, two more mins | 19:58 |
| fungi | pabelanger: AJaeger: well, we got to one topic we had held over from last week, but not to either of yours (ubuntu-trusty and constraints job migrations). want to keep them on the agenda for next week? | 19:58 |
| anteaya | fungi: did you want to compose an agreed? | 19:58 |
| hashar | then boss / end users / managers / product folks etc are all happy because you completed it soooo fast | 19:58 |
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| pabelanger | fungi: next week is fine for me | 19:59 |
| AJaeger | fungi, leave it on - let's see how we move forward with constraints... | 19:59 |
| fungi | agreed Gerrit RAM upgrade maintenance scheduled for Monday, April 11, 200:00-21:00 UTC | 19:59 |
| fungi | look good? | 19:59 |
| pleia2 | 200:00 | 19:59 |
| yolanda | fine | 19:59 |
| anteaya | +1 | 19:59 |
| fungi | #agreed Gerrit RAM upgrade maintenance scheduled for Monday, April 11, 20:00-21:00 UTC | 19:59 |
| anteaya | thanks | 19:59 |
| fungi | i picked a day with fewer hours | 20:00 |
| Clint | tick-tock | 20:00 |
| pleia2 | :) | 20:00 |
| hashar | ;-à | 20:00 |
| fungi | those 200-hour days really get to me | 20:00 |
| fungi | thanks everyone! | 20:00 |
| fungi | #endmeeting | 20:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 8 20:00:15 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2016/infra.2016-03-08-19.02.html | 20:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2016/infra.2016-03-08-19.02.txt | 20:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2016/infra.2016-03-08-19.02.log.html | 20:00 |
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| ttx | o/ | 20:00 |
| markmcclain | o/ | 20:00 |
| jhesketh | thanks all! | 20:00 |
| flaper87 | o/ | 20:00 |
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| annegentle | hi | 20:00 |
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| mriedem | o/ | 20:01 |
| russellb | hi | 20:01 |
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| ttx | mestery, lifeless, mordred, dtroyer, jeblair, jaypipes, sdague, dhellmann: around ? | 20:01 |
| sdague | o/ | 20:01 |
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| dhellmann | o/ | 20:01 |
| dtroyer | o/ | 20:01 |
| jaypipes | ......o/ | 20:01 |
| thingee | o/ | 20:01 |
| ttx | #startmeeting tc | 20:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Tue Mar 8 20:01:31 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tc' | 20:01 |
| ttx | Hi everyone! | 20:01 |
| amrith | ./ | 20:01 |
| ttx | Our agenda for today: | 20:01 |
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| jeblair | o/ | 20:01 |
| ttx | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TechnicalCommittee | 20:01 |
| ttx | is Piet around | 20:02 |
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| ttx | he added some topics one week ago | 20:02 |
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| ttx | hmm. | 20:02 |
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| ttx | thingee: do you know what he was looking for ? Adding personas and GUI checklist/heuristic to OpenStack Cross-Project Specifications | 20:03 |
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| thingee | ttx: he's not around, perhaps should start in cross-project. | 20:03 |
| flaper87 | this is the first time I've seen ttx confused at the beginning of a TC meeting | 20:03 |
| * flaper87 writes this date down on a diary | 20:03 | |
| ttx | well, usually the people submitting topics show up | 20:03 |
| thingee | ttx: I heard his talk in the product workgroup midcycle | 20:03 |
| ttx | hmm, ok. Let's skip | 20:04 |
| annegentle | thingee: based on that was TC needed? Or cross project consensus? | 20:04 |
| ttx | The second topic kinda requires to have both mordred and lifeless in the room | 20:04 |
| ttx | and none of them are | 20:04 |
| annegentle | heh | 20:04 |
| jeblair | this is going really fast | 20:04 |
| ttx | looks like it will be a quick one | 20:04 |
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| ttx | let's go back to that one if tey show up | 20:05 |
| ttx | #topic Review of stale governance changes | 20:05 |
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| ttx | I'll skip the first one since that was for mordred too | 20:05 |
| thingee | annegentle: this should be a cross-project discussion | 20:05 |
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| ttx | * Neutron stadium things | 20:05 |
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| thingee | annegentle, ttx I'll reach out to piet | 20:05 |
| ttx | russellb posted an update on those. These reviews are basically stuck until the start of the next cycle | 20:05 |
| flaper87 | russellb: thanks for the update! That was useful :) | 20:05 |
| ttx | Should I abandon them and ask that people re-propose them once it's ready for consideration ? | 20:05 |
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| ttx | We usually only keep things that are ready for TC member voting on the slate | 20:06 |
| russellb | ttx: i guess so | 20:06 |
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| flaper87 | ttx: +1 | 20:06 |
| ttx | ok, I will | 20:06 |
| ttx | * Split out the amended stackforge resolution (https://review.openstack.org/269862) | 20:06 |
| ttx | jeblair: any plans there, or still waiting for more feedback on the initial patchset ? | 20:06 |
| armax | russellb: did I miss the upadte? | 20:06 |
| ttx | armax: that was a summary for the TC, I tink it was sent to the -tc list in reaction to my agenda item | 20:06 |
| russellb | armax: it was by email, just tried to summarize the status, and also indicated that it's on backburner in favor of mitaka release work | 20:06 |
| flaper87 | armax: trying to find the email link | 20:06 |
| russellb | armax: should have CC'd you sorry | 20:07 |
| jeblair | 862 is not really a think we're voting on -- it's something we already voted on... | 20:07 |
| armax | oh, gotcha, thanks | 20:07 |
| sdague | I guess on the general topic of the stadium, is there anything useful that the rest of the TC outside of neutron can do to help move thing along? (either now or in next cycle) | 20:07 |
| flaper87 | armax: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-tc/2016-March/001139.html | 20:07 |
| ttx | jeblair: right, just wondering if I should keep it on the slate | 20:07 |
| russellb | sdague: i've been thinking about that, i'm not sure | 20:07 |
| armax | russellb: no worries, I am good with abandoning thsose for now | 20:07 |
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| armax | flaper87: thanks | 20:07 |
| flaper87 | armax: np | 20:07 |
| russellb | it's mainly a question of whether there's any general criteria we could write down that could have helped guide this | 20:07 |
| ttx | jeblair: or if you wanted to discuss the various suggestions live | 20:07 |
| armax | russellb: we’ll get this resolved as soon as I can spare more mental cycles to the matter | 20:08 |
| armax | russellb: with your help, of course :) | 20:08 |
| russellb | armax: sure, i agree that finalizing mitaka is more important, don't worry about it | 20:08 |
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| flaper87 | ttx: jeblair right, I don't think we need formal vote on that one. Other than making sure the edits are good and annegentle and others are heling with that already | 20:09 |
| flaper87 | I thought I had reviewed that one, though. I must have forgotten to click "review" | 20:09 |
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| jeblair | ttx: well, i thought i did what we talked about in the tc meeting, so if we want to change the approach, discussing it here would be good | 20:09 |
| flaper87 | s/"review"/"post"/ | 20:09 |
| annegentle | jeblair: I did wonder about "why isn't git history good enough" | 20:09 |
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| annegentle | but maybe I missed something | 20:09 |
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| jeblair | annegentle: apparently we as the tc decided it wasn't :) -- i think we decided we'd rather publish resolutions once, as we originally voted on them | 20:10 |
| annegentle | jeblair: ah, voting. ok | 20:10 |
| jeblair | annegentle: so, contrary to reference documentation, resolutions should be considered immutable | 20:10 |
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| ttx | jeblair: yeah, the remaining question is how do we make sure the end result is not confusing to the reader, and this is why I suggested moving the original resolution to a subdirectory | 20:11 |
| jeblair | so i guess the "big" question is whether we should do the approach in that change, or whether we should do what ttx suggests ^ | 20:11 |
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| jeblair | i don't object to that; if folks like it, i can re-propose with that change | 20:11 |
| ttx | the doc build is no longer live, but I remember the published result was pretty confusing | 20:11 |
| flaper87 | tbh, I don't think jeblair patch is confusing | 20:11 |
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| jeblair | the original does link to the updated one, so hopefully you end up at the right place regardless | 20:12 |
| ttx | flaper87: that's because you haven't seen the governance.openstack.org result | 20:12 |
| flaper87 | I'm happy with it. It keeps things in one dir and they are sorted by date anyway so, I'm good | 20:12 |
| flaper87 | ttx: oh, mmh. you got me there | 20:12 |
| jeblair | recheck coming up :) | 20:12 |
| ttx | yep | 20:12 |
| annegentle | ok | 20:13 |
| ttx | recheck recheck | 20:13 |
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| ttx | let's move on to open discussion in the mean time ? | 20:13 |
| ttx | We can discuss best form in open discussion anyway | 20:13 |
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| jeblair | yeah, folks just let me know which style you prefer :) | 20:14 |
| flaper87 | sure | 20:14 |
| ttx | As far as the topic goes, I think this one shouldn't be abandoned | 20:14 |
| jeblair | happy to oblige, just don't want to do it too many times :) | 20:14 |
| ttx | #topic Open discussion | 20:14 |
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| ttx | * Election season coming up | 20:14 |
| ttx | Election officials kicked off the election season: | 20:14 |
| ttx | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/088558.html | 20:14 |
| flaper87 | YAY! | 20:14 |
| ttx | I can't believe it's been 6 months since the last elections. Those sure passed by fast | 20:14 |
| ttx | On the TC side, 7 seats are renewed (jeblair, lifeless, flaper87, markmcclain, jaypipes, dtroyer and myself) | 20:14 |
| ttx | jeblair: you wanted to add something ? | 20:14 |
| russellb | can't believe it? | 20:14 |
| russellb | feels like elections never end | 20:15 |
| flaper87 | russellb: lol | 20:15 |
| jaypipes | is anyone *not* running again? | 20:15 |
| * jaypipes promises to build a wall between OpenStack and AWS and have Amazon pay for it. | 20:16 | |
| flaper87 | jaypipes: does that answer your question? | 20:16 |
| flaper87 | :D | 20:16 |
| jaypipes | flaper87: heh, yep :) | 20:16 |
| dims | lol | 20:16 |
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| jeblair | i'd like to bring the tc's attention to this spec: https://review.openstack.org/287577 | 20:16 |
| jeblair | it was brought up in the infra meeting today | 20:16 |
| markmcclain | jaypipes: are you going to insist that all design sessions start with a pledge to openstack? | 20:16 |
| jeblair | i think it's fairly simple and straightforward, and it's a good idea | 20:16 |
| jaypipes | markmcclain: but of course. | 20:16 |
| flaper87 | jaypipes: will take a look. Thanks for the heads up! | 20:17 |
| russellb | jeblair: seems sane | 20:17 |
| sdague | jeblair: will it make it in time for this go around? | 20:17 |
| sdague | or is this longer term | 20:17 |
| annegentle | I think we shouldn't need another subdomain and governance should suffice | 20:17 |
| jeblair | but i do think it would be good for the tc to ack it, as well as provide feedback on whether we should host it under governance.o.o | 20:17 |
| jaypipes | jeblair: ++ | 20:17 |
| jaypipes | will check into it. | 20:17 |
| ttx | jeblair: I'm good with it being under governance | 20:17 |
| russellb | under governance sounds fine to me. | 20:17 |
| ttx | elections are a by-product of our charter anyway | 20:17 |
| flaper87 | under governance ++ | 20:17 |
| sdague | I'm fine either way | 20:17 |
| fungi | yeah, governance site feels like the right place for election details, but i don't want us to put content there which isn't directly controlled by the tc without some consensus | 20:18 |
| ttx | and election officials run them under formal delegation from the TC | 20:18 |
| sdague | top level makes it a bit more visible | 20:18 |
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| sdague | and there were concerns on turnout | 20:18 |
| flaper87 | It's already confusing to have the many subdomains we have now. IF we can have it under governance, let's do that | 20:18 |
| ttx | fungi: if it's a subdir it sounds fine | 20:18 |
| ttx | then it's clear where the delegation ends | 20:18 |
| dhellmann | we would have to make sure we don't ever add that same subdir to the existing governance repo, or we'd compete with patches publishing to the location | 20:18 |
| fungi | it's trivial enough to graft a publication tree into a subtree of that site. just a line in the vhost config | 20:18 |
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| jeblair | sdague: i'm not sure we got a firm conclusion on whether we should push for it this cycle (time is short), but it doesn't affect the actual process too much, so we should be able to start using it mid-election even, but we don't want to confuse people. we might compromise on a soft-launch this cycle. | 20:19 |
| fungi | dhellmann: nah, it would just get shadowed by the election tree if you did it the way i mentioned, but implementation details anyway | 20:19 |
| dhellmann | fungi : sure, either way we have a potential for overlap. not a big deal, but something to be aware of | 20:19 |
| fungi | yep! | 20:20 |
| sdague | jeblair: yeh, if it's not going to hit before the elections start, seems best to soft launch and not really talk about it until next time | 20:20 |
| ttx | jeblair, fungi: have enough to proceed ? | 20:20 |
| annegentle | agreed on soft launch | 20:20 |
| tonyb | if we use g.o.o would there be links between the rc content and the election content? | 20:20 |
| sdague | just to prevent confusion | 20:20 |
| dhellmann | tonyb : we could add those | 20:20 |
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| tonyb | that's the part I thought would be hard ... | 20:20 |
| dhellmann | tonyb : either to the header, or inline where appropriate, or both. I can work with you on that. | 20:20 |
| tonyb | dhellmann: okay thanks. | 20:20 |
| fungi | hyperlinks are simple. html borrowed them from gopher anyway ;) | 20:20 |
| annegentle | fungi: ha | 20:21 |
| ttx | * Leadership training | 20:21 |
| ttx | gothicmindfood posted an update on that | 20:21 |
| ttx | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/088646.html | 20:21 |
| ttx | Looks like the 'not two consecutive weeks' camp won against the 'not two US travels' camp | 20:21 |
| ttx | she is looking into other dates | 20:22 |
| flaper87 | plus, some of us were already booked before the announcement of the dates went out | 20:22 |
| ttx | comments/remarks ? | 20:22 |
| annegentle | heh I was the only one who lives in Austin :) | 20:22 |
| flaper87 | I think that's great | 20:22 |
| dhellmann | do we have a set of goals for this trip? | 20:22 |
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| gothicmindfood | oh hai. Most people seem pretty cool with June 28/29th | 20:22 |
| ttx | dhellmann: I think colette described the goals well | 20:22 |
| gothicmindfood | so - just fyi to everyone - that's what I'm going to look into and confirm via ML in the next couple days | 20:23 |
| jeblair | something about sandwiches iirc | 20:23 |
| dhellmann | ok, I'm probably behind on email, I'll look for that | 20:23 |
| flaper87 | my only recommendation so far is to not do it in the west coast | 20:23 |
| gothicmindfood | jeblair: definitely sandwiches | 20:23 |
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| gothicmindfood | flaper87: it will be in Ann Arbor, Michigan | 20:23 |
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| sdague | flaper87: it's in Ann Arbor | 20:23 |
| flaper87 | it's way too far and expensive for a 2 days trip | 20:23 |
| ttx | I'm still skeptical of leadership training, but she managed to turn that into a reason why I should go | 20:23 |
| gothicmindfood | unless someone strongly objects to delicious sandwiches. | 20:23 |
| flaper87 | gothicmindfood: ++ | 20:23 |
| flaper87 | w00h00 | 20:23 |
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| jeblair | ttx: she must have taken the course already :) | 20:23 |
| flaper87 | I think I didn't read the location on the email (or wherever it was announced) :D | 20:23 |
| gothicmindfood | ttx: my ninja-psychology is strong this month. :) | 20:23 |
| ttx | gothicmindfood: more like judo | 20:24 |
| russellb | flaper87: a leader would have read it | 20:24 |
| flaper87 | I *have* to go then | 20:24 |
| ttx | alright, next up | 20:24 |
| flaper87 | totally | 20:24 |
| * flaper87 can't miss that training | 20:24 | |
| ttx | mtreinish: you had something to mention ? | 20:24 |
| mriedem | so the leadership training is for TC members? what about those not on the TC? | 20:24 |
| ttx | flaper87: you need more leader foo | 20:24 |
| mtreinish | ttx: yeah | 20:24 |
| russellb | mriedem: thanks for bringing that up. gothicmindfood ^^^ i got that question as well | 20:25 |
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| mtreinish | ttx: I wanted to bring up that in investigating the stable breakages on trove with mriedem we found that they don't really comply with the standard testing interface | 20:25 |
| mriedem | i don't mind being a drone, but | 20:25 |
| ttx | mriedem: yeah, I'm not sold on that too. I think we should grow the next generation of leaders rather than camping on the existing ones | 20:25 |
| mtreinish | and also workaround things like global requirements as it suits their needs | 20:25 |
| mriedem | mtreinish: way to bring me into this... | 20:25 |
| annegentle | ttx: agree | 20:25 |
| jeblair | oh dear | 20:25 |
| flaper87 | mtreinish: o.0 | 20:26 |
| ttx | mriedem, annegentle: but then it's the first editoin and it's more of a test balloon | 20:26 |
| anteaya | mtreinish: thanks for bringing your discovery to the tc | 20:26 |
| mtreinish | and this has been an issue for quite some time | 20:26 |
| flaper87 | mriedem: do you have links to that? I know there's a thread on the m-l | 20:26 |
| flaper87 | erm, mtreinish ^ | 20:26 |
| mtreinish | mriedem: heh, I couldn't not drag you in | 20:26 |
| gothicmindfood | mriedem: it initially, just because of scope, is meant for the TC/members of the board. but if we have extra space, I will definitely let the ML know and ask if anyone else wants to sign up! | 20:26 |
| carolbarrett | ttx: we need to do both. | 20:26 |
| ttx | hmm, let's focus on trove now please | 20:26 |
| mtreinish | flaper87: https://github.com/openstack/trove/blob/master/tox.ini#L12-L16 | 20:26 |
| russellb | oh dear | 20:27 |
| flaper87 | gothicmindfood: just *active* members or are we going to include previous members too? | 20:27 |
| ttx | I'd suggest discussing the scope of leadership training on colette's ML thread | 20:27 |
| amrith | what about trove ;) | 20:27 |
| gothicmindfood | mriedem: it's definitely meant as a first step towards 'doing leadership' for the whole community, so it's not meant to be exclusive, just meant to be a place to start | 20:27 |
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| flaper87 | gothicmindfood: I mean, members up for election in 2 weeks | 20:27 |
| russellb | flaper87: active and previous i believe | 20:27 |
| flaper87 | russellb: don't tell me it was on the email | 20:28 |
| jeblair | gothicmindfood did answer all of these questions in her excellent email :) | 20:28 |
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| flaper87 | hahahhaha | 20:28 |
| gothicmindfood | flaper87: because we're straddling elections with this discussion, and we ostensibly have room for TC+others, it's been basically a given that current TC + future elected TC who are available and interested would be invited | 20:28 |
| russellb | flaper87: it was. | 20:28 |
| anteaya | mtreinish: that is concerning | 20:28 |
| * flaper87 -> head -> desk | 20:28 | |
| flaper87 | mtreinish: thanks for bringing that up | 20:28 |
| dhellmann | amrith : trove is using a version of pymongo not listed in global requirements, can you fix that? | 20:28 |
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| amrith | dhellmann, I can certainly fix that | 20:28 |
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| dhellmann | amrith : there's a custom install line in the tox.ini | 20:29 |
| cdent | Is following global requirements a requirement? | 20:29 |
| amrith | I'm more concerned with some of the 'broad and sweeping' statements that I've heard today about trove. | 20:29 |
| flaper87 | amrith: and, please, in the future let's not do that again. | 20:29 |
| dhellmann | mtreinish : was there anything else? | 20:29 |
| ttx | mtreinish: what other kinds of violations of the project testing interface did you find ? | 20:29 |
| flaper87 | cdent: it is if you're part of the big tent | 20:29 |
| dhellmann | cdent : it is for projects that claim to sync requirements | 20:29 |
| amrith | so I'd like to be more precise. | 20:29 |
| mtreinish | besides the fact that it's really a functional test job, a unit test job, and a sample updater in one tox job (which is just confusing) the functional tests don't conform to the standard testing interface | 20:29 |
| amrith | flaper87, do what? | 20:29 |
| mriedem | trove's test-requirements also uses the troveclient tarball | 20:29 |
| flaper87 | cdent: dhellmann was more precise than I was | 20:29 |
| mtreinish | they don't run with testr or emit subunit (which iirc was part of that doc) | 20:29 |
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| ttx | ew | 20:30 |
| dhellmann | mtreinish : have you raised this with the trove team already? | 20:30 |
| flaper87 | amrith: sorry for being vague. I meant to say that it's not recommended adding pip install calls to tox.ini. It'd be great if you could bring this feedback to the trove team | 20:30 |
| mriedem | testing with trunk clients (unreleased) on stable branch has bit us in the past | 20:30 |
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| mriedem | and is biting us right now actually | 20:30 |
| mriedem | which is why this was coming up | 20:30 |
| mtreinish | mriedem: yeah there's that too, which is just kinda weird | 20:30 |
| sdague | fwiw - this is where that was landed - 4 months ago - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/241754/ | 20:31 |
| mtreinish | dhellmann: not recently, I just found it today | 20:31 |
| amrith | mriedem, I understand some of what you are saying | 20:31 |
| mtreinish | dhellmann: but digging through history this has been a known thing for some time | 20:31 |
| amrith | but you'll also recall that on 2/5 I asked of the community http://openstack.markmail.org/thread/tmy2dema4baoulif | 20:31 |
| amrith | in regards to the bug we've been discussing today | 20:31 |
| mtreinish | dhellmann: like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/54436/ | 20:31 |
| fungi | for clarity, keeping your deliverable repos in sync with openstack/requirements is not strictly a qualifier for inclusion in the big tent, though it is important to, e.g., repos which need care from other cross-project teams who expect some degree of standardization | 20:31 |
| amrith | so, I'm happy to do whatever it takes to make progress but let's be more precise and avoid sweeping generalizations please. | 20:32 |
| amrith | dhellmann, I will push up a change to add pymongo to global requirements. | 20:32 |
| anteaya | the trove ptl is cp16net | 20:32 |
| anteaya | is that person around? | 20:32 |
| mriedem | amrith: pymongo is in g-r | 20:32 |
| ttx | looks like we need to come up with a clear set of things that should be changed | 20:32 |
| amrith | anteaya, cp16net has been off on vacation for some weeks | 20:32 |
| mriedem | it's just not blacklisting or capping whatever version breaks trove | 20:32 |
| dhellmann | anteaya : I think amrith is filling in temporarily | 20:32 |
| mtreinish | fungi: I think it's more problematic if you say you subscribe to and respect g-r and then you don't | 20:33 |
| amrith | so I'm trying to catch a large number of balls that are in the air. | 20:33 |
| fungi | mtreinish: yep | 20:33 |
| anteaya | amrith: oh do you have an idea of when they will return? | 20:33 |
| anteaya | dhellmann: thank you | 20:33 |
| amrith | anteaya, no I don't. | 20:33 |
| anteaya | hmmmm | 20:33 |
| flaper87 | amrith: thanks for filling in for cp16net and attending the meeting | 20:33 |
| amrith | to be clear, the issue that mriedem and I are discussing is not "broken backward compatibility" but rather tests in liberty that are broken in a way that just needs fixing. Tests, not code that customers would use. | 20:34 |
| amrith | there's an ML discussion about this | 20:34 |
| amrith | a change has been proposed. | 20:34 |
| mriedem | amrith: that's not accurate | 20:34 |
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| amrith | ok, mriedem | 20:34 |
| amrith | let's discuss it | 20:34 |
| mriedem | the tests are using troveclient as a user would, | 20:34 |
| mriedem | to create an instance | 20:34 |
| jeblair | we only recently started adding anything to the pti about openstack/requirements, and that was in relation to constraints. we may want to elaborate a bit more in that document. | 20:35 |
| mriedem | it uses a kwarg in the troveclient api that was removed in master troveclient | 20:35 |
| mriedem | which breaks stable | 20:35 |
| fungi | for the record, it looks like this was added 4 months ago as a workaround https://review.openstack.org/241754 | 20:35 |
| mriedem | so yes, the tests are busted, but they are busted b/c a deprecated kwarg was removed from troveclient 2.1.0 | 20:35 |
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| amrith | mriedem, removing the argument in master is fine, I believe | 20:35 |
| mriedem | well, | 20:35 |
| mriedem | it's fine if you're not following backward compat | 20:35 |
| anteaya | fungi: sdague had linked to that in backscroll | 20:35 |
| fungi | they seem to be pinning things in tox.ini instead of requirements lists (and getting them into global requirements) | 20:35 |
| amrith | mriedem, that's not helpful. | 20:35 |
| fungi | ahh, i missed sdague's link. sorry! | 20:36 |
| mriedem | specifically, a spec that lifeless has for backward compat | 20:36 |
| clarkb | mriedem: amrith you also need to use semver | 20:36 |
| mriedem | amrith: basically, the idea being clients and libs are backward compat until the oldest stable branch that uses them are still around | 20:36 |
| sdague | troveclient 2.1.0 was also a semver failure | 20:36 |
| mriedem | yes, that too | 20:36 |
| sdague | but semver wouldn't have helped here anyway | 20:36 |
| mriedem | nope | 20:36 |
| mriedem | constraints would have, but trove unit tests don't use constraints on liberty | 20:36 |
| amrith | sdague, what is semver and is that part of the solution or just something tangential? | 20:37 |
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| dims | amrith : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226157/ - details here | 20:37 |
| amrith | mriedem, please put your comments in review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290069/ | 20:37 |
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| fungi | so on 241754 i'm curious why there was a delay in getting a pin updated in global requirements. it seems that was acknowledged as a challenge in the review comments | 20:37 |
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| amrith | and please, I am trying to get caught up on what is going on so being cryptic and terse is not going to help me do anything | 20:37 |
| anteaya | you have a whole channel of people trying to help you | 20:38 |
| anteaya | perhaps you can express some gratitude to them | 20:38 |
| amrith | anteaya, and I'm happy to take any and all help. | 20:38 |
| dhellmann | amrith : semver is "semantic versioning" and is a way of choosing version numbers to signal the nature of the changes in the release. http://docs.openstack.org/developer/pbr/semver.html | 20:38 |
| mriedem | yeah i'm not trying to be terse, i've given a few options today and spend most of my day on unwinding this | 20:38 |
| amrith | I have a review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290069/ | 20:38 |
| ttx | amrith: semver = major.minor.patch versioning. | 20:38 |
| amrith | which I would appreciate comments in. | 20:38 |
| ttx | if you break backward compat you should increment major | 20:38 |
| dhellmann | amrith : that wouldn't really fix the problem, but you should become familiar with that anyway | 20:39 |
| fungi | i'd certainly like to figure out what challenges projects are encountering getting global requirements updates approved and propagated in a timely fashion. that the workaround got left on the project for months thereafter is a bit secondary i think | 20:39 |
| mriedem | i don't really know what our goal here is for the tc meeting | 20:39 |
| dims | agree fungi | 20:39 |
| amrith | anteaya, I would love for some feedback on my ML request (for help) http://openstack.markmail.org/thread/tmy2dema4baoulif | 20:39 |
| russellb | i was wonder that myself, mriedem | 20:39 |
| flaper87 | mriedem: I was about to say that | 20:39 |
| ttx | OK, so it looks like there are a number of things that should definitely be changed, in Trove's code and practices. Is there reason to believe any of those changes are impossible ? | 20:40 |
| mriedem | personally, as of this morning, i wanted to either cap troveclient in liberty or revert the backward incompat change https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290048/ | 20:40 |
| russellb | sounds like issues have been raised, amrith and trove team need some time to respond and address | 20:40 |
| amrith | thanks, I just saw a mention of "trove" so my ears perked up. | 20:40 |
| flaper87 | I see amrith is trying to catch up with the issue and working on a way to fix it | 20:40 |
| flaper87 | so, I'd say let's give him and the trove team enough time to work on the fix | 20:40 |
| amrith | flaper87, thank you | 20:40 |
| mriedem | well, there are fixes posted, | 20:40 |
| mriedem | it's a question of what's appropriate for end users | 20:40 |
| mriedem | but that can happen in gerrit | 20:40 |
| flaper87 | I'm sure we can follow up on the mailing list and trove's channel if they need more support | 20:40 |
| dhellmann | it would be useful to have a list, maybe mtreinish and mriedem can put together an etherpad or something to help amrithwith tracking | 20:41 |
| amrith | dhellmann, ++ | 20:41 |
| ttx | mriedem: now if there is resistance in fixing the issues, I think we should definitely intervene | 20:41 |
| mriedem | it's in the ML | 20:41 |
| flaper87 | amrith: no, thank you for bearing with us | 20:41 |
| dhellmann | mriedem : ok, that works, too | 20:41 |
| russellb | ttx: ++ | 20:41 |
| mriedem | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/088689.html | 20:41 |
| amrith | and while we're on the subject, dhellmann ttx we need to also discuss another python-toveclient for the FFE | 20:41 |
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| dhellmann | amrith : we can take that out of this meeting | 20:41 |
| amrith | we could, maybe, roll all of these into one resolution. | 20:41 |
| mtreinish | mriedem: well parts are in the ML. Some of the issues I was raising weren't | 20:41 |
| amrith | dims, thanks for the link. | 20:41 |
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| amrith | dhellmann, for now, one request | 20:42 |
| amrith | what do you want re: pymongo? | 20:42 |
| amrith | I see https://github.com/openstack/trove/blob/master/tox.ini#L12-L16 | 20:42 |
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| dhellmann | amrith : use the version listed in the global requirements repo | 20:42 |
| mriedem | we can sort this out in -dev | 20:42 |
| dhellmann | amrith : and declare that you're using that version in the standard requirement list files | 20:42 |
| mriedem | i don't want to derail the tc meeting | 20:42 |
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| dhellmann | mtreinish : if you could follow up to the list with the rest of the issues, that would help | 20:43 |
| anteaya | mriedem: according to the agenda, the agenda had been addressed prior to this item | 20:43 |
| amrith | ok, thx dhellmann | 20:43 |
| mtreinish | dhellmann: well I don't like that because it requires me to do something :) But, sure I can follow up on the ml | 20:43 |
| mriedem | mtreinish: you dealt it | 20:43 |
| ttx | yep, let's bring discussion of the issues to -dev and -release. The Tc is now aware of the issues and will follow up on the resolution | 20:43 |
| ttx | #action ttx to put trove issues and status update on the agenda for next meeting | 20:44 |
| dhellmann | mtreinish : yeah, if you show up here asking for action, be prepared with documentation :-) | 20:44 |
| sdague | there is kind of a meta issue right, if a project core team isn't up on what it means to work on things in an openstack way, and it has to be caught outside and unwound outside of that team, we've got a bigger issue | 20:44 |
| sdague | especially because there is a very finite amount of global catchers time | 20:45 |
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| anteaya | sdague: ++ | 20:45 |
| dhellmann | sdague : Yes, clearly the trove liaisons need to become more active in their respective roles. | 20:45 |
| russellb | depends if the issue is with trove, or that it's hard to keep up with and understand "openstack ways" | 20:45 |
| mriedem | global catchers are like, leaders right? :) | 20:45 |
| flaper87 | sdague: I'd rather assume good faith | 20:45 |
| ttx | also wondering about the PTl situation there | 20:45 |
| sdague | flaper87: I'm not assuming bad faith | 20:45 |
| anteaya | mriedem: ha ha ha | 20:45 |
| edleafe | mriedem: heh | 20:46 |
| flaper87 | sdague: sorry, misread you then! | 20:46 |
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| sdague | I'm saying it's a problem that there ever was a disconnect here | 20:46 |
| sdague | that 2 core reviewers every thought the pymongo pin was a thing | 20:46 |
| flaper87 | sdague: that I agree with | 20:46 |
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| ttx | if a PTL can go off the map without anyone knowing when he will likely be back, around release time... | 20:46 |
| ttx | that's a bit of a concern | 20:47 |
| sdague | sure. We just have to be very careful about deciding that it is mriedem and mtreinish's job to build a detailed fix plan for projects because they found issues | 20:47 |
| russellb | could be a very good reason ... emergencies happen | 20:47 |
| dhellmann | sdague : I'm asking for a list of issues, not fixes | 20:47 |
| sdague | because if that's the case, then people will stop raising issues that they find | 20:47 |
| mriedem | sdague: yeah... | 20:47 |
| sdague | because they don't want to have to own fixing it | 20:47 |
| anteaya | sdague: good point | 20:47 |
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| dhellmann | otoh, you can't just show up here in a TC meeting complaining about a project and not expect anyone to ask for details | 20:47 |
| amrith | ttx, I understand that he let TC know. | 20:47 |
| russellb | ttx: sounds worth following up on | 20:48 |
| amrith | the reasons he's not here are likely not worth airing on IRC | 20:48 |
| anteaya | amrith: do you know when or how? | 20:48 |
| amrith | but I assumed y'all knoew abotu it. | 20:48 |
| fungi | well, in the change which introduced it, the first patchset added it to the requirements list, but a (non-core) reviewer suggested putting it in tox.ini instead, rather than pointing out that there should be a change proposed to openstack/requirements | 20:48 |
| amrith | when/how what? | 20:48 |
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| mtreinish | dhellmann: did I not provide details? | 20:48 |
| anteaya | when the trove ptl communicated wtih the tc | 20:48 |
| ttx | sdague: right, a lot is about education. The Project team guide helps, the Upstream dev track should help too | 20:48 |
| mriedem | fwiw, cp16net has been one of the only people helping with stable branch issues on trove, | 20:48 |
| mriedem | so i've appreciated his work there | 20:48 |
| amrith | anteaya, I don't know | 20:48 |
| mriedem | i didn't realize ht was out | 20:48 |
| mriedem | *he | 20:48 |
| dhellmann | mtreinish : I was responding to sdague, I think you're fine but a summary would be useful | 20:48 |
| amrith | maybe a couple of weeks ago | 20:48 |
| ttx | but there will always be siloed teams doing their own thing thinking it's great | 20:49 |
| amrith | mriedem, I thought I was helping today | 20:49 |
| mriedem | also, if you're not part of gate-tempest-dsvm-full, these things happen in satellite projects | 20:49 |
| amrith | with stable? | 20:49 |
| fungi | oh, wait, worse, the suggestion to just put it in the tox.ini did indeed come from a trove-core reviewer | 20:49 |
| mriedem | amrith: yes, you are after i started the fire alarm :) | 20:49 |
| anteaya | mriedem: good to know he has been helpful to the stable team | 20:49 |
| ttx | amrith: I don't know anything about it... but maybe others do | 20:50 |
| anteaya | fungi: the owner of 241754 is the trove ptl | 20:50 |
| fungi | anteaya: yep | 20:50 |
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| fungi | i'm still hunting for the corresponding global requirements change | 20:51 |
| dhellmann | ttx: I knew cp16net would be out, and amrith was filling in for their release, but I don't think I know the dates (if I do, I don't remember them) | 20:51 |
| flaper87 | I'll try this again. I think the trove issue is going to be handled and we can follow up on that next week. If we want to discuss the "why" this happened, lets try to gather some more data and come with a better analysis and try to find a solution rather than wasting our time trying to find who we should blame | 20:51 |
| cdent | flaper87++ | 20:51 |
| anteaya | flaper87: I don't think we are looking for blame | 20:51 |
| fungi | i'm more interested in finding out what we should blame | 20:51 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I'm not sure doing this live in this meeting is the best way to handle it | 20:51 |
| ttx | ack | 20:51 |
| anteaya | if anything we haven't clearly communicated as a team, so that's on us | 20:51 |
| flaper87 | anteaya: well, unless I'm reading all the messages wrong, that's my impression | 20:52 |
| anteaya | we are trying to understand what happened and when | 20:52 |
| ttx | I think the topic is closed for this week and we'll follow up on progress on fixes next week | 20:52 |
| anteaya | flaper87: that's fine if that is your impression but that is not my motivation | 20:52 |
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| ttx | was there anythig else that people wanted to raise for open discussion ? | 20:52 |
| amrith | flaper87, thank you. | 20:52 |
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| ttx | still no piet, no mordred and no lifeless, so the skipped topics will stay skipped | 20:53 |
| piet | Hey! | 20:53 |
| ttx | hey! | 20:53 |
| * dhellmann notes the time | 20:53 | |
| ttx | #topic UX: Adding personas and GUI checklist/heuristic to OpenStack Cross-Project Specifications (piet) | 20:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "UX: Adding personas and GUI checklist/heuristic to OpenStack Cross-Project Specifications (piet) (Meeting topic: tc)" | 20:53 | |
| ttx | piet: what did you want to propose there ? | 20:54 |
| ttx | in 5 minutes ? | 20:54 |
| piet | I wanted to throw out that we are working on a personas doc for the community | 20:54 |
| piet | Still some discussion on how it relates to the x-project doc for roles | 20:55 |
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| piet | And where the docs should live | 20:55 |
| piet | Thoughts/suggestions are welcome | 20:55 |
| ttx | you mentioned cross-project specs, too ? | 20:55 |
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| ttx | maybe post links to those on the ML, and we could find a home for them ? | 20:56 |
| piet | Sure, but felt like I was getting ahead of myself. It might be, but would like to defer to the TC | 20:56 |
| anteaya | who is the target audience for consuming the personas doc? | 20:56 |
| dhellmann | piet: docs.openstack.org/developer/$reponame ? | 20:56 |
| piet | anteaya Product WG, Foundation and the individual projects | 20:56 |
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| anteaya | thank you | 20:56 |
| piet | Want to pick-up next week? | 20:57 |
| russellb | some kind of written proposal would be helpful | 20:57 |
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| ttx | piet: I would rather start with a ML thread, then engage with the cross-project specs group (led by thingee) | 20:57 |
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| piet | Kk | 20:57 |
| ttx | not sure if the TC would have to get involved (I prefer we stay out of the way whenever possible) | 20:57 |
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| piet | Yeah, but need to let ya'll know what coming down the road | 20:58 |
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| ttx | It's good! Looking forward to your talk btw | 20:58 |
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| piet | We're also working on a spec on trying to drive consistency in anything with a GUI | 20:58 |
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| ttx | piet: that would be a classic cross-project spec ? | 20:59 |
| thingee | piet: engaging with the TC is getting a bit ahead. a lot of stuff like this starts with cross-project consensus so the TC can have better feedback | 20:59 |
| thingee | better feedback/informed | 20:59 |
| piet | thingee I'll reach-out to you later to discuss | 20:59 |
| ttx | alright, anything else, anyone ? | 21:00 |
| ttx | we are out of time anyway | 21:00 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Tue Mar 8 21:00:23 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:00 |
| piet | Cheers | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2016/tc.2016-03-08-20.01.html | 21:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2016/tc.2016-03-08-20.01.txt | 21:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tc/2016/tc.2016-03-08-20.01.log.html | 21:00 |
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