Wednesday, 2016-03-09

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JRobinson__Good Morning all,00:15
JRobinson__We're aiming to start the APAC docs meeting in about 15 minutes.00:15
loquacitiesJRobinson__: you're a gem, thank you :)00:15
JRobinson__np loquacities00:15
JRobinson__Just saw the time.00:16
katomogood morning, JRobinson__, loquacities00:17
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loquacitieshello katomo!00:17
loquacitiesgood to see you :)00:18
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loquacitiesok, let's get this party started!00:29
loquacities#startmeeting docteam00:29
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loquacitieswho have we got here today?00:29
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JRobinson__JRobinson__, o/00:30
bmosshey hey00:30
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loquacitieshiya tonyb :P00:31
loquacitieshi katomo00:32
loquacitiesok, i can call that quorum :P00:32
loquacities#topic Action items from the last meeting00:32
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loquacitiesi think the only one recently was for me to find a release manager00:32
loquacitieswhich i am happy to report i have done00:32
loquacitiesand not just one, but two!00:32
loquacitieswe're meeting tonight, so more on that to come, i guess00:33
loquacities#topic Specs in review00:33
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loquacitiesthere are only two, both are to add content to the install guide00:33
loquacities#link (trove)00:33
loquacities#link (magnum)00:34
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loquacitiesi think we probably need to start discussing in more depth about an extra added install guide (we did discuss this a couple of summits ago)00:34
loquacitiesbut that's a summit topic00:34
loquacitiesany questions on specs?00:34
asettleSorry I'm late, forgot I hadn't joined the irc channel (very smart)00:34
loquacitiesor on adding content to the install guide00:34
loquacitiesasettle: hiya :)00:35
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asettleWhat did I miss? Sorry.00:35
loquacitiesasettle: just the link to the current specs00:35
JRobinson__The trove spec looks good00:36
loquacitiesyeah, i don't have a theoretical problem with adding content to the install guide00:36
loquacitiesit's just the maintenance00:36
bmossmaybe a Core Services Install Guide and a Optional Services Install Guide00:36
loquacitiesso having our core install guide (as it is now), but then adding another book that doesn't have the same testing requirements might be an option00:36
loquacitiesbmoss: exactly00:36
bmossI think a summit discussion is a good idea00:37
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asettleOh I like.00:37
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asettleThanks loquacities for hte catch up :)00:37
loquacitiesmore on summit planning later, though00:37
loquacitieslet's move on00:37
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loquacities#topic Speciality teams00:37
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loquacitiesthe most exciting thing to report is about the API guides00:37
loquacities#topic API guides now have a  way to publish HTML from swagger00:38
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loquacitieswhich basically means fairy-slipper can be considered 'feature complete'00:38
loquacitiesoops, i topicd instead of infod00:38
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loquacities#info API guides now have a  way to publish HTML from swagger00:39
loquacitiesany other speciality team updates?00:39
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loquacitiesok, let's move on00:40
JRobinson__The User Guide items are going okay00:40
loquacitiesJRobinson__: cool!00:40
loquacitiesany chance you'll be done by mitaka?00:40
JRobinson__that's all, and we're having a meeting tomorrow on the patch under review00:40
JRobinson__I'm still confident we can complete the reorg, and edit the Cloud Admin content be mitaka.00:40
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JRobinson__^by mitaka00:40
katomoJRobinson__: great00:41
loquacitiesdarrenc: any progress update on the arch guide reorg?00:41
JRobinson__then that's one item down. Checking the content accuracy is the next goal, or one of the next goals.00:41
darrencyes, bmoss are working on some arch guide bugs during the bug smash00:42
darrencand I*00:42
loquacitieshow's it looking?00:42
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bmossIt's going well.00:42
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darrenc3 bugs in progress00:43
bmossMore editing required than I anticipated. It hasn't been as simple as copy/paste00:43
loquacitieschances of finishing by mitaka?00:43
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loquacitiesbmoss: that's the story of the arch guide, i think ;)00:43
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darrencPerhaps halfway in the next release cycle00:44
loquacitiesok, let's move on00:44
loquacities#topic Countdown to release00:44
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loquacities28 days!00:44
loquacities#info Release Managers - Brian & Olga00:45
loquacitiesas mentioned earlier00:45
loquacitiesthanks for stepping upo :)00:45
bmossisn't there a movie about 28 days?00:45
loquacities#info Install Guide testing00:46
loquacitiesso, i note that sam-i-am isn't here00:46
loquacitiesbut we were chatting yesterday, and apaprently there's some keystone problems00:46
asettlebmoss: oh no00:46
katomoguide update by sam-i-am looks good progress00:46
loquacitieswhich seems to be par for the course00:46
loquacitiesso i'll be chasing that up with keystone today00:47
loquacitiesyeah, the testing matrix is looking sad though:
bmossvery sad00:48
loquacitiesi really would like to get the cross-project liaisons more involved in this process00:48
asettleloquacities: so... my potential intern is keen to do that00:48
loquacitiesasettle: can they start last week?00:48
loquacitiesthere are also seems to be some problem with heat, but it could be a packaging problem00:49
loquacitiesyet again, the RDO testing repos are apparently not in great shape00:50
loquacitiesbut, this is my job to poke around a little more today00:50
loquacitiesif you know of anyone who might be willing to jump in and do even a little bit of testing, please ping them00:50
asettleloquacities: I'll ask ;)00:51
loquacitiesthanks :)00:51
bmossI should be able to start testing soon00:51
loquacitiesbmoss: that'd be awesome, thank you00:51
bmossno worries00:51
loquacitiesanything else on release activities?00:51
loquacitiesok, let's move on00:52
bmossloquacities, just about the rel manager meeting00:52
loquacitiesbmoss: yep?00:52
bmossI think it is actually scheduled for tomorrow afternoon, not today00:52
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loquacitiesbmoss: oh, you're right00:52
loquacitiesmy bad00:52
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loquacitiesit's in my calendar correctly00:53
bmossno worries. Just want to make sure we're all there. :)00:53
loquacities#topic Summit Planning00:53
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loquacities#info ATC passes are now all out00:53
loquacitiesi also note that the ATC discount expires today-ish00:53
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loquacitiesso you probably want to go and register if you haven't already done so00:53
loquacities#info Speakers were announced this week00:54
loquacitiesthere's also a schedule up00:54
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loquacities#info Room allocations requested, TBA00:54
loquacitieshopefully we'll hear on room allocations real soon now00:54
JRobinson__ATC passes I think are set to run out on March 11 at the latest -  not sure of the time zone, so today-ish is a good time to complete that.00:54
loquacitiesonce that happens, i'll note in the newsletter, and in this meeting00:54
loquacitiesany questions on summit prep?00:55
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loquacitiesoh, i should mention that i'm intending to run for docs PTL again, too00:56
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loquacitiesnominations open next week, and i'd love your support00:56
asettleLink us ;)00:56
loquacitiesthere's no link  yet00:56
loquacitiesi have to actually write my nomination before i can submit it ;)00:56
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loquacities#topic Open discussion00:58
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loquacitiesanything else?00:58
katomonothing from me00:58
loquacitiescool, thanks katomo00:58
bmossI'm good00:59
JRobinson__All good here00:59
loquacitiesok, thanks for your time everyone00:59
loquacitiesand remember: install guide needs your love!00:59
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katomothanks, all01:00
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JRobinson__Thanks everyone o/01:00
asettleThanks loquacities :)01:00
loquacitiesthanks all o/01:00
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dguitarbiterluethi: ping10:32
rluethidguitarbite: sup10:33
dguitarbitejulenl: hi10:33
julenlhere I am :)10:33
dguitarbite#startmeeting training-labs10:33
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dguitarbite#topic release-cycle10:34
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dguitarbiteI had a chat with dhellmann on Monday evening (CET) where he clarified the release cycle and version numbering for training-albs10:34
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rluethik? I didn't know there was such a thing.10:35
dguitarbiterluethi: Its to make the process more clear and simpler also follow existing trends for a proper release cycle.10:35
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dguitarbiteI would like to get our teams vote on the model that made the most sense.10:35
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rluethiis there a link?10:36
dguitarbiteno, Ill tell you about it now.10:36
julenlwell.. but we cover all the release cycles...10:36
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julenlit does not make much sense to make a "training-labs Liberty"10:36
dguitarbiteso, starting with release cycle: We have one big release every 6 months10:37
dguitarbiteand we decided to have a milestone in the middle every 3 months, this milestone would be the point where we shift our focus on the guest side scripts10:38
dguitarbitefor the next release in sync with install-guides team.10:38
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dguitarbiteso we have a release ==> branch + tag (tags would provide stable points for our users)10:38
dguitarbitemilestone ==> Another tag10:38
dguitarbiteSo the intermediary release should ideally freeze the work on lib and scripts for the last release on the master and then start working on the next release.10:40
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dguitarbiteThis also allows us to have a logical version numbering.10:40
dguitarbitethe version numbering is X:Y:Z where X=> Major release (Liberty, Mitaka) Y => Milestones Z => Bug Fixes and Backporting10:41
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rluethiI currently don't see a reason to oppose this, but the implications are unclear to me.10:42
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dguitarbiterluethi: It makes the release process simpler and also provides our users with better way to consume our stable releases.10:43
julenldoes it involve creating a new repository for each release?10:44
rluethiMost of our merged patches are things we want our users to have ASAP instead of having them wait for a release.10:44
rluethiBut if we keep building trunk packages for every changeset merged, I don't see a problem (yet).10:44
rluethijulenl: certainly not a repo, probably a branch.10:44
dguitarbitejulenl: No, just a branch10:44
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dguitarbiteWe tag the branch for stable releases like 1.1.0 which means that the users should have a stable release at that tag10:45
dguitarbiteat present we are just branching10:45
julenlI see...10:46
dguitarbitethe problem with just branching is that, all the backports that would potentially break the cluster are considered as stable release.10:46
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dguitarbiteWith a tag we can differentiate this10:46
julenlwhat about naming the releases after the last openstack release supported?10:46
rluethiwell, usually the tip of each branch is already the best, most stable version of each release.10:46
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julenlthat makes sense10:47
rluethinot sure what a release that is going to add to that.10:47
dguitarbiteyes, this is correct10:48
dguitarbiterluethi: I agree with you but that means a lot of work to make sure that the stable branch is really stable.10:48
dguitarbiteIf we have release tags10:48
rluethiLet's try it I guess and see how it plays out.10:49
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dguitarbiterluethi: yes, we should try it out10:49
dguitarbiteI would say that the release team has the experience which we should exploit rather than learning it the hard way10:50
dguitarbiteSince we are going to publish the training-labs website soon, it makes sense to be prepared :)10:50
dguitarbiteAnything against the version numbering?10:50
julenlnot from my side10:51
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rluethiI don't have enough information to be for it or against it. Let's try it.10:51
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dguitarbiterluethi: ok, Ill send a patch to the right repositories. For the team it should not change anything.10:52
dguitarbiteWe are just adding tags at a point the cluster is the most stable on every branch except the master :)10:52
julenlI guess it will make it fit better within the rest of the projects, using a similar approach10:52
dguitarbitejulenl: Yes.10:52
dguitarbiterluethi: My apologizes if I am not able to explain properly.10:53
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dguitarbiterluethi: ping? May be we could have a short call today evening so I can explain this to you much better with --verbose -vvv10:54
rluethidguitarbite: NP. It may also be due to my being constantly distracted.10:55
* dguitarbite same here10:55
dguitarbiteso next topic?10:55
dguitarbite#topic summit-talks10:55
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rluethinext :/10:55
julenlany news on that?10:55
dguitarbiteUnfortunately both the training-labs talks were rejected.10:55
julenlwhat? :O10:56
dguitarbiteI have another talk which got accepted so that means that I will go for the summit.10:56
julenlwhere did you see that?10:56
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dguitarbiteI got an email from the foundation. May be I misread something.10:56
* dguitarbite digging through the emails10:56
rluethiI got the email, too.10:57
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julenlhmm... i didn't10:57
* dguitarbite sigh** with releif10:57
julenlwhen was that?10:57
rluethiSaves me two weeks of vacation and a bundle of money. Yay me.10:57
dguitarbitejulenl: how about your talk? Can you try to search with the email domain speakersupport@openstack.org10:57
dguitarbiterluethi: Yay! I dont want to go but have to go :\10:58
julenlhmm... I didn't get any message yet...10:58
dguitarbitejulenl: Ok, may be they are still considering your talk. Best of luck :).10:59
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dguitarbitejulenl: But we can hangout in Austin for sure :)10:59
dguitarbiteSo next topic?10:59
dguitarbite#topic any-other-beezneez?10:59
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julenlouf course! :)10:59
dguitarbitejulenl: :D11:00
julenlabout that bug on OSX11:00
julenlI just tried the latest version and it worked fine for me11:00
dguitarbitewhat is the bug?11:00
dguitarbiteOr I did not read the email's yet11:01
* dguitarbite is busier than he knows11:01
openstackLaunchpad bug 1471753 in openstack-training-labs "Lab provisioning failed on OS X" [Undecided,Incomplete]11:01
rluethiI edited our bugs and I will close them if we don't get confirmation that they are still relevant.11:01
dguitarbiterluethi: Alright, lets wait for a couple of days may be a week or so. We dont have to close the bug immediately. We dont have to confirm the bug :).11:02
rluethialso, we have a few patches waiting for review.11:03
rluethithere's also the zip file issue.11:03
rluethiand mitaka.11:03
julenlwell... I kind of, unconfirmed it. It worked for me, but I am used OSX Mavericks11:03
dguitarbiterluethi: The zip file issue will be fixed. I have to use gzip instead of zip11:03
dguitarbiteJust need some free time and then Ill fix it :).11:03
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dguitarbitejulenl: Yes, may be its a specific race for his environment. May be he is overloading his system or something. For me things work fine but I have a Skylake chip with MacBook 1211:04
rluethidguitarbite: That will not work. I added a comment to the review explaining that.11:04
dguitarbiterluethi: I will review your patches soon. I am sorry. And also for the gzip patch I will update it.11:05
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rluethidguitarbite: you cannot use gzip. doesn't work for that use case.11:05
dguitarbiteTHe problem is that I have to use find to feed the **correct** files11:05
dguitarbiterluethi: I know :).11:05
dguitarbiterluethi: Ill fix it.11:05
rluethidguitarbite: how?11:05
dguitarbiteusing find to push the required files to gzip11:06
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rluethidguitarbite: I don't see how this could possibly work. did you try it?11:07
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dguitarbiterluethi: Trying it out. Sorry for the vague replies, Ill update the patch and you can see it for yourself :)11:07
dguitarbiterluethi: But I'm sure it will work.11:08
rluethiI am really curious now.11:08
* dguitarbite Should have seen it coming 11:08
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rluethiI have the Mitaka port pretty much ready.11:08
dguitarbiterluethi: Wow! That is awesome. I have to also do finish the release cycle thingy11:08
rluethiAt least I can launch a VM.11:08
julenlWow! :)11:08
dguitarbite#action dguitarbite fix zip file generation.11:08
dguitarbite#action dguitarbite Finish release model for training-labs11:09
rluethiI found a few bugs in the install-guide in the process.11:09
dguitarbite#action rluethi push mitaka patch soon11:09
dguitarbite#action dguitarbite finish work with training-labs landing page11:09
rluethiOne is rather odd, I need to submit a bug and have it confirmed.11:09
dguitarbitejulenl: So do you want to take up something?11:09
julenlif there's something I can do... sure11:09
julenlI am still trying to get that execution flow11:10
dguitarbitejulenl: What ever interests you. So for now we could focus on Mitaka release and then start merging some nice features from BOMBSI11:10
julenldguitarbite: ok...11:10
dguitarbitejulenl: awesome. Lets sync up soon.11:11
dguitarbiteok, anything else? I really need to rush.11:11
julenlrluethi: ping me when you have something I can test11:11
rluethijulenl: will do.11:11
dguitarbiterluethi: please push the mitaka patch asap so we could all test it :)11:11
julenlone last little thing11:11
dguitarbitejulenl: You could also start testing and reviewing all the patches on gerrit11:11
dguitarbitejulenl: shoot11:12
julenldguitarbite: yes... I still have to find out how to do that11:12
dguitarbitejulenl: Ok, I can give you some pointers it should be easy :)11:12
julenlI was thinking of an idea for some sort of "rebranding"11:12
dguitarbitejulenl: Yes, I'm agnostic to the names. As long as they make sense, I'm open to any suggestions.11:13
julenlosbash performs the installation mainly by executing the code remotely via ssh11:13
julenlno no... wait.. :P11:13
* rluethi is waiting.11:14
julenlso, maybe I could try to present BOMSI as a ISO based installer, while osbash would be more like a ssh and bash based configuration manager11:14
julenlwhat do you think?11:14
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julenlby they way, if someone wants to give it a try, I just tested on clean ubuntu and suse, and it worked...11:15
dguitarbitejulenl: I would like the approach of this integration but I would be against creating ISO's may be the UI part and the bootable flashdrives :D11:15
rluethi"configuration manager" can mean a hundred things.11:15
rluethiby the way, on Windows we don't use ssh (because it's not there by default)11:16
julenldguitarbite: sure11:16
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julenlrluethi: Hmm... you are right, I should think more about that11:17
rluethiThere may be reasons to have an option for building ISOs, but we need to study the pros and cons.11:17
dguitarbitejulenl: How about discussing this in more detail? So we are clear on what you mean by config. manager and more. Lets have a chat later on IRC and decide the meeting.11:17
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julenldguitarbite: sure, let's do that11:17
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dguitarbiteAwesome. So lets wrap up today. Ill shoot an email.11:18
dguitarbiteBye guys.11:18
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dguitarbite#action dguitarbite review rluethi's patches.11:18
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Yipeihi, all13:00
joehuanghello, all13:00
Yipeihi Joe13:00
joehuanghi, Khayam, first to meet you here13:01
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KhayamDid you saw my reply on
joehuangnot yet13:01
KhayamI am a little confuse about writing test for exception.13:01
joehuangfor I was attending OpenStack bugsmash these two days in Chengdu13:01
joehuangok, please13:02
BeanZhanghi, all13:02
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joehuangHi Bean13:02
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BeanZhangHi, joe13:02
joehuanglet's start the meeting13:02
KhayamI think a functional test for blank input already checks this13:02
joehuang#startmeeting tricircle13:02
openstackMeeting started Wed Mar  9 13:02:41 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is joehuang. Information about MeetBot at
Pengfei__Hi joe13:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.13:02
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joehuanghi Pengfei13:02
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joehuang#topic rollcall13:02
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joehuang#info joehuang13:03
Khayambecause funtion will automatically return a response incase of invalid input13:03
Yipei#info Yipei13:03
BeanZhang#info Bean13:03
Pengfei__#info Pengfei13:03
liuhaixiaHi, joe13:03
liuhaixiaHi, Pengfei13:03
joehuanghi Haixie13:03
joehuangsorry Haixia13:04
joehuangto Khayam, yes13:04
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joehuangas to exception test, just use a fake function to raise exception, and check to see if the caller can catch and print correct logging including stack trace13:05
liuhaixiaI have a research on VTN, it can bridge multiple different vlans to a vBridge. Thus can realize vlan l2 networking accross openstacks.13:07
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joehuanggreat news, haixia13:07
liuhaixiaBut it seems to require hardware switch to support.13:07
joehuangno software solution?13:08
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liuhaixiasoftware solution can be supported, but I really don't kown if it can support vxlan.13:08
joehuangto Khayam, what I am afraid is that some parameter in Log.exception has not been initialized when using in the log.Exception13:09
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liuhaixiaI asked somebody, still cann't get futher information.13:09
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joehuangto Khayam, if some variable is used without initilization, a new excetion will be throw and exit13:10
joehuangYou mean VTN can connect two VLAN to one L2 network13:11
liuhaixiaI have another concern, even vtn support L2 bridging with software. We need to replace bottom agent  with ODL. May some features will be lost.13:11
joehuangbut can't make sure these two VLAN will be bridged with VxLAN13:11
liuhaixiayes, joe. it's my concern.13:11
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joehuangthis is a little bit too heavy13:12
joehuangPengfei and Bean, do you have some new ideas about L2 networking across pods13:12
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Khayamthanks. let me know if anyone is interesterd in linuxcon tokyo from july 13 to 1513:13
BeanZhangI have no idea for the moment13:14
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joehuangok. we may discuss it tomorrow in #openstack-tricircle13:14
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joehuangL2GW has uploaded code for review13:14
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Pengfeiwe may need to familiar with neutron first.13:15
joehuangbut not sure it support software L2GW or not currently13:15
PengfeiI have write a blog last week, and add it in the FAQ of wiki.13:15
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BeanZhanglast week, i have installed the devstack and tricircle with virtualbox13:15
BeanZhangand review the code commited by Pengfei13:16
BeanZhangI have encountered a problem when i reboot the host with devstack. I run ./, but it didn’t work.13:16
BeanZhangRun ./ and ./, it echos Error: Service g-api is not running, Error: Service g-reg is not running, [ERROR] /home/stack/git/devstack/functions-common:1646 More details about the above errors can be found with screen, with ./rejoin-stack.sh13:16
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BeanZhangMaybe it’s the devstack’s issue or tricircle’s issue. Then i run ./, ./clean, rm -rf /opt/stack/*, reboot the host and ./ again. It works.13:16
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liuhaixiaI have a idea.Maybe we can bridge vlan and vxlan with  some softeware instance, like L2GW. But we need to have a little change to the bottom.13:16
BeanZhangDo you have any good method to deal with the problem when the devstack doesn’t work ?13:16
openstackLaunchpad bug 1479475 in Magnum "Document recovery steps if devstack host restart" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Vilobh Meshram (vilobhmm)13:17
zhiyuan_pengfei: i found you add a link to, but that link is not permanent13:17
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Pengfeiso what I need to do?13:17
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BeanZhangit will expire in 30 days13:17
joehuangto Haixia, what's change? it would be better to use un-touched bottom openstack, or some package could be installed from git repository13:18
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zhiyuan_pengfei: maybe put the content directly in your blog?13:19
Pengfeiok~ thanks for your suggestion.13:19
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liuhaixiahi, joe, I know what you mean.13:20
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liuhaixiaSo we have to keep research on it.13:20
BeanZhangAny one has good suggestions?13:20
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liuhaixiaHi, pengfei, do you have any ideas on L2 networking accross openstack?13:21
joehuangI think we can start design the framework for different L2 networking cross pods13:21
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joehuangand first use shared VLAN for demonstration of the framework13:22
Pengfeino ideas...囧13:22
liuhaixiahi, joe, you mean overlay and vlan, we can design differently?13:22
zhiyuan_beanzhang: works well for me sometimes after host reboots, if problem occurs, you need to check the log to find out why...13:22
liuhaixiaI know.13:22
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joehuanga frame work with different driver for different L2 netwoking solution13:22
liuhaixiayeah, for vlan, we can use this first.13:23
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BeanZhangin OVS_BRIDGE_MAPPINGS=bridge:br-bridge,externn:br-ext13:24
joehuangbut the first driver is shared VLAN, than means, to create a network with same VLAN segment id in bottom pods13:24
BeanZhangThe externn is misspelled?13:24
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joehuanghi Bean, please file a bug and fix it13:25
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zhiyuan_joe: so the hosts in the bottom pods need to be in the same network? I mean, connected to the same physical switch?13:27
zhiyuan_for shared VLAN mode13:27
liuhaixiafor the second driver is different vlan. We can keep searching for existing solutions for bottom. But if there's doesn't yet, what should we do?13:27
joehuangyes if the switch doen't support VxLAN gateway function13:28
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PengfeiHow can we begin formally writing codes? Are there some tutorials about such as how to name the function and what python library to import for using?13:28
joehuangif hardware switches support VxLAN gateway function, like TOR as VTEP13:28
joehuangthen we have to configure the TOR with 1:1 VLAN to VxLAN mapping13:29
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joehuangthen no need for different pods must connect to same switch13:29
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joehuangone pod one switch, but switches are interconnected with VxLAN for VLAN segment13:30
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joehuangIf not ,then pods must connect to same switch for the shared VLAN13:31
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joehuangis it clear?13:31
zhiyuan_pengfei: you mean coding style?13:31
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joehuangthe VLAN to VxLAN configuration in TOR or core switch should be configured mannually if we want deploy different pod connecting to different switch13:32
liuhaixiaI know what you mean. But I have some other concerns. It's usually used with port hierachy binding. Vlan is 'local vlan', and maybe have some conflict to existing vxlan networks.13:33
Pengfeithanks a lot!13:33
liuhaixiaas what I did in agile controller.13:33
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joehuangis there any open source agile controller version13:33
liuhaixiaBut maybe there's other methods can implement what you said.13:33
liuhaixiaIt's not open.13:34
liuhaixiaEnterprise line's product.13:34
joehuangyes, shared VLAN can help us to do this13:34
joehuangno controller needed13:34
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liuhaixiajoe, I will have a deep research on it.13:34
joehuangit should be  shared VLAN segment id exactly13:35
joehuangok, please13:35
liuhaixiaif anybody interest on it , please contact me.13:35
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joehuangto pengfei, for coding style, you can use pep8 or flake8 to check your style13:36
zhiyuan_simply run "tox -epep8"13:36
liuhaixiajoe, xiaojie  have some researches on L3 netwoking. shall we have a talk on it today?13:36
joehuangsudo tox -epep813:37
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joehuangto Haixia, please13:37
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joehuangto Yipei, how about you13:38
Pengfeithanks to joe and zhiyuan, I will read about it13:38
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joehuangif you use pycharm, wrong coding style could be promopted instantly13:39
YipeiI have some finding when fixing the bug of devstack of installation on two nodes.13:39
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YipeiSimply setting OS_REGION_NAME as RegionOne on node2 does not work on my vm13:39
joehuangok, can it work now13:39
liuhaixiajoe, xiaojie have some problems with wireless.  I will doi.13:39
joehuangto Haixia, ok13:40
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liuhaixiaThirst one, there's a bug fix for router, to suport vxlan to other routers.13:40
Yipeithe two nodes share one keystone13:40
liuhaixiaby add flooding vtep list or by multicast to suport this.13:41
joehuangto Haixia, I noticed it13:41
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liuhaixiayeah, but i think some limits.13:41
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YipeiWhen create_XXXX_accounts, it is required to go for keystone in RegionOne to verify whether the orperation is legal. Because node1 and node2 share the same keystone service.13:41
Yipeiis it correct?13:41
joehuangbut it's freezed in Mitaka, and can't support DVR currently13:41
liuhaixiaif pods num is large, flooding list will be increaing.13:42
liuhaixiayeah, I konw.13:42
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liuhaixiaeven it supports DVR, i really don't think flooding is a good method.13:42
joehuangThey assume only one13:42
joehuangto Yipei, I am afraid you installed two independent regions with shared KeyStone, but no Tricircle insatlled13:43
Yipeii install devstack on two nodes with tricircle13:44
Yipeibut when booting vm, i encounter some problems13:44
joehuangto Yipei, could follow Pengfei's blog? He has installed two nodes and L3 networking successfully13:44
Yipeiyes, i read it13:44
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joehuangHi, all I think we have a lot to discuss, as more and more items are doing13:46
Yipeibut simply setting OS_REGION_NAME as RegionOne on node2 does not work on my vm13:46
liuhaixiaSecond one, with  port hierachy binding,  vlan and vxlan mapping is 1:1, if router use shared vlan and it's mapped to  vxlan. So tenants cann't be isolated for the same vxlan.13:46
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liuhaixiabut if router or tenants used diffent vlan, 4096 is the limit.13:46
YipeiI need to switch the OS_REGION_NAME to RegionTwo when necessary, during installing devstack on node2.13:46
Yipeiwhen uploading image to glance, we need to set the OS_REGION_NAME as RegionTwo, since node2 has its own glance service.13:46
joehuangto Yipei, use shared Glance now13:47
joehuangno need 1:1 for hierarchy port binding13:48
Yipeibut i need to it will have some problems when executing upload_image13:48
zhiyuan_i think glance services are disabled in node2 from the config sample13:48
joehuangok, let's move the talk to #openstack-tricircle tomorrow13:48
joehuangthe time is limited13:48
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joehuangto Haixia, we can discuss your concerns tomorrow in #openstack-tricircle13:49
liuhaixiait also on 1:00 pm UTC?13:49
joehuangWe need to keep online in #openstack-tricircle, so that more frequently communication13:49
joehuangno time limitation if we are online13:50
BeanZhangYipei, github tricircle Cross-pod L3 networking with DevStack, from my perspective, there is no RegionTwo13:50
liuhaixiaoh, I know.13:50
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BeanZhangJust RegionOne, Pod1, Pod213:50
Yipeii know, pod2 i mean13:50
joehuangto Bean, agree +113:50
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Pengfeito Bean, agree +113:51
joehuangok, let's conclude the meeting and continue discssion in #openstack-tricircle13:51
joehuangsee you13:51
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Yipeisee you13:51
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SotKAnyone here for the storyboard meeting?14:59
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ZaraI AM15:00
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SotK#startmeeting storyboard15:00
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SotK#link Agenda15:00
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SotKI don't know of any announcements or urgent items, so unless there is dissent we'll go straight to in progress work!15:01
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Zarafine by me15:01
SotK#topic In Progress Work15:02
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SotK#info SotK is working on "automatic worklists"15:02
SotKhey betherly15:02
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SotKautomatic worklists are going pretty well, they're working now15:02
Zarahi betherly! glad you could make it! :)15:02
ZaraI'm so happy automatic worklists are working at last!15:03
SotKjust working on getting the UI sort of presentable15:03
Zarathey've been a far-off dream for so long15:03
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SotKthen I'll write a UI that allows lanes in boards to be automatically populated15:03
SotK(but they won't be reorderable)15:03
Zaraokay, are you going to send the first bit to gerrit in between?15:03
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Zaraand yeah, agree, if people wanna reorder auto lanes, deal with it when it comes15:03
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Zaracan I get an eta on anything?15:05
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SotKauto worklists patches - this evening or maybe tomorrow if I get too hungry15:06
SotKboards - hopefully by the end of the week, maybe early next week (not expecting this to be too difficult)15:06
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ZaraI laughed out loud at 'if I get too hungry'15:06
ZaraI'm adding 2 weeks to your boards estimate15:06
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ZaraI'm excited, anyway!15:07
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* SotK too15:09
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* SotK wonders what else is in progress15:10
Zara(don't wear yourself out; aiui you're working late on thurs anyway)15:10
Zaraer, well, according to agenda, I'm working on serach15:10
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Zarabut in practice, that's been parked this week while I've been reviewing15:10
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Zaraand also because much of the automatic worklists work overlaps with search/filter15:11
ZaraI did rework
Zaraso that now removes the button except on mobiles15:11
Zarawhere it moves to the top right, and hopefully the formatting is neat this time15:12
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Zara#info Zara reworked a tiny search patch15:12
* SotK will test it when he's made things automatic15:12
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Zarayeah, that's my other reason for not getting too into it; if I upload wip stuff, nobody's free to review in detail15:13
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Zaraother things...15:13
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ZaraI've started looking at task-metadata again, because UI for task-links wasn't loved15:13
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Zaraas it required removing 'priority' button15:14
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Zaraand also doesn't really use everything to its full potential15:14
Zaraby which I mean, task 'links' are the same in the back end as story descriptions15:14
Zarameaning you could also use them to comment directly on tasks, paste multiple links, etc15:14
Zaraso now I'd rather do it as a button that opens a modal, even though I'd rather get to a link with 1 click than two15:15
Zaraif it gets really irritating, we'll separate it out somehow, I guess15:15
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Zara#info Zara has been working on a modal for task metadata in the story view15:15
Zaralet me know if you're blocked and I may pester you if I'm stuck; I don't want to hold anything up on the automatic boards/worklists side15:16
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Zaraso far I have a modal that can't show anything, a really weird button to link to it, and a close button that doesn't work15:17
Zara~just another wednesday~15:17
SotKbetter than nothing at all :D15:17
Zarahahaha, easy to say when you haven't seen it! :D15:17
Zarabut yeah, it should be cool once it works15:18
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ZaraI think I'll have to rewrite the back end patches so that they refer to 'metadata' instead of 'links'15:18
Zaranot sure whether I should call everything links first, then rewrite, or make things inconsistent, then rewrite15:18
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* SotK would probably go for the second option15:19
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Zarafigured I might as well ask now15:19
Zaraalternative is to just change all the backend patches first15:19
Zarathat is procrastinating15:20
Zaraso yeah, sorry, been distracted by meetings and bad network this week, not done as much developing as I'd like15:20
Zarathat's me done15:20
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SotKany other in progress stuff?15:21
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Zaraer, your comments stuff15:21
ZaraI guess15:21
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SotKoh yeah15:21
SotKI made a quote button which is merged15:22
SotKI made a permalink button that doesn't work15:22
SotKI'll try to make it work at some point15:22
SotKI made a patch to support threading in the backend15:22
SotKsupporting it in the frontend will be more complex though15:22
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Zarahah, still, nice to merge it so we don't have to dig it up later15:23
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Zaraif anyone wants to take a glance at that15:23
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SotKI also sent a patch to allow worklists and boards to be browsed by story and/or task id15:23
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Zaraoh yeah, merge conflict currently15:24
SotKwhich makes it possible to show a list of boards/worklists containing a story on the story detail view15:24
* persia is very excited about that one15:24
SotK(same for tasks)15:24
Zaradoes anyone know what the conflict is?15:25
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ZaraI am interested but haven't looked at it yet because of the conflict.15:25
SotKyeah, we merged the archive cards thing15:25
SotKso the patch doesn't apply cleanly15:25
SotKI'll fix it up when I get home15:25
Zaraokay, please try not to die under a mountain of work15:26
* SotK does his best15:26
Zaraif there's stuff I can help with, shout15:26
Zaraand I will run away-- I mean, I'll see what I can do15:26
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SotKAnything else?15:27
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Zaranothing here15:28
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betherlylooking into d3 and angular graphs and experimenting but nothing solid to push yet :)15:29
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SotKsounds promising :)15:30
Zarasounds exciting :) feel free to share weird WIP stuff or whatever (though I don't know how easy that is to do)15:30
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* SotK guesses we can safely move on now15:32
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SotK#topic Infra Email Config15:33
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SotKIt seems one of the patches was -1'd pending documentation15:33
Zarayeah, I left it in there because it's still waiting, don't have much to add15:33
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SotKif there's nothing to add, then we'll carry on :)15:34
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Zarawell, I was gonna say that, given that infra are so overloaded that it takes a month to update the patches as-they-are, I think we should assume we won't be surprised with comprehensive docs soon.15:35
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* SotK also assumes that15:35
anteayawho are you waiting for for docs?15:35
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anteayaare you waiting for someone to write docs or review a docs patch?15:35
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Zaraanteaya: jeblair was asked to document the structure used in one of the patches he's written so far15:36
Zarathat one15:36
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anteayadid he agree to document the structure?15:37
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Zarano, there's been no update agreeing or disagreeing as far as I know15:37
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Zaraso I don't know that the -1 has stopped anyone from merging the patch as-is, but nobody had merged it before that15:38
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Zaraoh, sorry, I linked the wrong one15:38
Zarahang on15:38
anteayaso on 331 I suggest fixing the error and submitting a new patch15:39
anteayait has been several weeks15:39
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jeblairoh, ha15:39
jeblairi'm not going to document that15:39
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anteayathere's jeblair15:40
jeblairexim has a manual15:40
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jeblairi'm not sure why i would rewrite it15:40
Zarahi! :) ha, thanks for clarifying that.15:40
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anteayajeblair: can you add a comment to 270329 stating that for nibalizer's benefit?15:40
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jeblairi did15:40
anteayawonderful thank yoi15:40
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SotKthanks jeblair15:41
anteayasorry I was slow15:41
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Zarayes, thank you for that. :) appreciate you going out of your way to help like this, fwiw.15:41
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anteayaso maybe someone can bring that comment to nibalizer's attention and perhaps he can re-review15:42
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nibalizerim about15:43
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Zaraphew, I was about to mention it in #infra but didn't want to spam if you got gerrit notifications! :)15:43
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Zarahas just been updated in reference to -115:44
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Zarathanks, everyone :)15:45
anteayamordred just approved it15:45
anteayathanks mordred15:45
SotKthanks folks :)15:46
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SotK#topic Public Test Instance15:46
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SotKso, I resurrected the frankenstoryboard at
* SotK has no idea what branches that is running, since I did it about 5 minutes before the meeting15:47
* Zara peers at SotK15:48
SotKwe probably need a better long-term solution I'd guess15:48
anteayaoh this is the storyboard used to have a test instance under infra and doesn't anymore, right?15:48
SotKI don't know if it ever actually had a test instance under infra15:48
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Zarayeah, this one was never under infra, at least15:48
anteayawas there never a storyboard-dev?15:49
ZaraI don't know.15:49
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anteayaI had thought we had a conversation and I thought I recall you saying so15:49
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SotKI think there was plans for one, but there was never one that I saw15:49
anteayadoesn't matter15:49
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anteayaI don't know as there are plans15:49
anteayabut I think there should be plans15:49
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Zarayeah, I would have been referring to this if I talked about a public dev instance, but it's not the same as a storyboard-dev under infra, so sorry if I caused any confusion there15:49
* SotK thinks so too15:49
anteayato that end, how do folks feel if someone creates a spec for a storyboard-dev server15:49
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anteayaand offers that up to infra15:50
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anteayaZara: I probably mis-remembered15:50
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Zara:) there's a chance there's already a spec somewhere, if it's something that needs a spec. There is a story for it somewhere...15:51
anteayadid I take this topic in a direction other than what folks intended?15:51
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ZaraI'm not sure either of us will get on to writing a spec unless we already have a clear idea of what should be in it, which might be going in a circle?15:52
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anteayamostly I'm saying I don't think infra knows storyboard wants a dev instance, so a spec is a good way to communicate that15:52
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anteayaZara: can you start an etherpad with a spec draft and I can help fill it out?15:52
anteayayou or SotK15:53
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Zaraanteaya: yes, we can, though we might not be able to put much thought in until next week15:53
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Zaraso a very drafty draft, yes15:53
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anteayanext week is fine15:53
anteayadrafty drafts are fine15:53
anteayaI just think it is a way forward for infra to know you want this15:54
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anteayaif indeed you do want this15:54
anteayasorry if I'm putting words in your mouth15:54
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* SotK believes we do want this15:54
anteayaoh good15:54
SotKI want this anyway xD15:54
anteayaso whatever works for you15:54
anteayaand pull me in so I can do the things I said I will do15:55
Zaraokay. :) I do want this, I just also can't promise I'll have time to do this and things I've already committed to.15:55
anteayafair enough15:55
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Zarauntil next week, but if that's fine then that's fine! :D15:55
Zara5 minutes left btw15:55
anteayaSotK: do you think we will get to open discussion? I have an item for open discussion15:56
anteayaZara: that's fine15:56
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SotKif we're done on this topic, then yes, briefly :)15:56
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SotKI think we've reached consensus now anyway15:56
SotK#topic Open Discussion15:57
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SotKgo ahead anteaya15:57
anteayawho is going to be attending summit in Austin?15:57
* anteaya looks at Zara and SotK15:57
Zarathis we do not know yet, should know by the end of the week15:57
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Zarawe've been lax in organising things15:57
anteayakeep me posted please15:57
anteayayou have your summit passes, yes?15:58
ZaraI do15:58
SotKI also do15:58
anteayathen it is just a matter of flights and hotels15:58
anteayagreat, so when you know let me know15:58
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SotKwill do :)15:58
anteayaI'm looking forward to seeing you both, if possible15:58
anteayathat's all I had15:58
Zarayw, looking forward to seeing you, too! :)15:59
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Zara1 minute left... if there's anything else, I guess -> #storyboard15:59
* SotK agrees15:59
SotKthanks for your time everyone :)15:59
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smcginnis#startmeeting Cinder16:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'cinder'16:00
diablo_rojoHello :)16:00
smcginnisHey everyone16:00
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smcginnisCourtesy ping: dulek duncant eharney geguileo winston-d e0ne jungleboyj jgriffith thingee smcginnis hemna xyang tbarron scottda erlon rhedlind jbernard vincent_hou kmartin patrickeast sheel dongwenjuan JaniceLee cFouts Thelo vivekd adrianofr mtanino yuriy_n1716:00
gouthamrhello o/16:00
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kprabhuHi All, My name is Karthik and I joined the Cinder team last week.16:01
smcginnis#topic Announcements16:01
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smcginniskprabhu: Welcome!16:01
thingeewelcome kprabhu !16:01
scottdakprabhu: welcome16:01
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e0nekprabhu: welcome!16:01
smcginnisM-3 was cut last week.16:01
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smcginnisWe are quickly running up to RC-1.16:01
PoornimaHello everyone16:02
smcginnis#link Release Schedule16:02
e0nesmcginnis: do we have any blockers for RC1?16:02
geguileokprabhu: Welcom16:02
smcginnise0ne: Not that I have identified yet.16:02
e0neit's good:)16:02
smcginnisThere are a lot of good bug fixes out there.16:02
smcginnisBut so far nothing has popped up as super critical that I would consider a blocker.16:03
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smcginnisBut feel free to bring any to my attention if anyone knows of one.16:03
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smcginnisSo just a reminder that our focus at this point should be testing and bug fixes.16:03
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smcginnisOn that note..16:03
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smcginnisthere's the bug smash going on right now.16:04
smcginnisYou might see some new folks submitting patches.16:04
smcginnisPlease help with reviews if you can.16:04
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smcginnisWe have a few outstanding replication v2.1 patches in the works.16:05
smcginnisReminder that those are being treated as bug fixes.16:05
smcginnisSo I definitely don't want someone that implemented v2 to be left out with 2.116:05
smcginnisBut if they aren't updated before RC, we will need to disable v2 implementations.16:05
smcginnisAnd fix your cloning if you need to. :P16:06
jgriffithsmcginnis: I'm hoping to write mine today16:06
smcginnisjgriffith: Oh good! I thought you were going to wait.16:06
smcginnisjgriffith: That will be good to have broad support.16:06
xyang1smcginnis: is there a bug opened for cloning16:07
jgriffithYeah, we landed a good number of them :)16:07
diablo_rojoWho all has reviews out there that need to be looked at?16:07
smcginnisxyang1: I opened ~25 bugs yesterday.16:07
xyang1smcginnis: ok:)16:07
dulekJust small reminder on RPC version bump patches. I think we're planning to merge them just before RC-1.16:07
smcginnisdulek: Yes! Thanks!16:07
smcginnisReminder of the review inbox at the bottom of the wiki:
smcginnisThere's a section in there for bug fixes that should get attention.16:08
smcginnisDuncanT: You still around?16:08
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smcginnisLooks like no.16:08
smcginnisOn the agenda DuncanT has a topic on volumes in error taking up quota.16:09
smcginnisWe'll cover that next week.16:09
smcginnis#topic Functional tests job for Cinder16:09
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smcginnise0ne: Hey16:09
e0newe introduce functional tests some time ago16:10
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e0nelet's run them against every patch16:10
e0neI think we're OK to make new job votig, because they were a part of unit tests in the past16:11
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smcginnise0ne: So the second link there is to add the job.16:11
eharneyplease start it as non-voting for at least a few days first16:11
e0nesmcginnis: yes16:12
smcginnisIf anyone has any comments on that, please take a look and comment there.16:12
e0neeharney: why?16:12
jgriffitheharney: +1 especially at this stage of the release16:12
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jgriffithwe don't want to be the ones that "break the world" :)16:12
eharneye0ne: because it's a new test environment and something is bound to go wrong, and we're right at the end of a cycle16:12
smcginnise0ne: Good point ^16:12
smcginnisIt _should_ be safe, but at this point in the cycle we need to be extra careful.16:12
geguileoeharney: +116:12
sheeleharney: +116:12
e0neeharney, jgriffith, smcginnis: ok, sounds reasonable16:12
e0neI'll update the patch16:13
smcginnise0ne: Then we can switch it over to voting once we switch over to Newton.16:13
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smcginnis#topic Functional tests job for python-brick-cinderclient-ext16:13
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smcginnise0ne: I'm assuming this is along the same lines?16:13
e0nedo we want to make it non-voting too?16:14
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smcginnise0ne: I think we are safer with that one.16:14
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smcginnisSince it's a client library extension, we've already cut final client libs.16:14
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smcginnisSo anything now just impacts Newton.16:14
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smcginnisSo I'm fine with that one going voting right away.16:15
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e0nehemna: hi16:15
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smcginnise0ne: Great, anything else on these topics?16:15
e0neso, please, review (Introduce functional tests for python-brick-cinderclient-ext)16:15
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e0neno, I'm done16:15
smcginnise0ne: Thanks!16:15
smcginnis#topic Open Discussion16:16
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smcginnisSmall agenda today.16:16
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smcginnisBut I'm sure we can find something to rat hole on. ;)16:16
smcginnisAnyone have anything?16:16
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smcginnisWow, short meeting.16:17
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hemnadid you mention the create_cloned_volume thingy?16:17
e0newhat about design session proposals?16:17
hemnathat we found yesterday?16:17
smcginnishemna: I mentioned it. I didn't go into it though. ;)16:17
Swansonhemna, my patch is in.  Go review it.16:17
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hemnaSwanson, will do16:17
smcginnisBut I should maybe say a little more...16:17
Swansonhemna, That worked!16:17
smcginnisI submitted bugs.16:17
Swansonhemna, thanks!16:18
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hemnanp :)16:18
sheelsmcginnis: are these bugs are on high priority for mitaka?16:18
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smcginnisBut if you did not see then, please make sure if you have a volume driver that it handles a different size than the source.16:18
smcginnissheel: They would be very nice to get fixed.16:18
eharneyso i recall this detail being discussed at one point16:18
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smcginnisBut since it appears a lot of these have been like this from the beginning16:18
eharneywas there not a method where we do this by calling extend after the clone?16:19
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smcginnisI don't think they are blockers or anything.16:19
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sheelsmcginnis: ok16:19
smcginniseharney: That's always a possiblity.16:19
smcginniseharney: And I won't say more on that.16:19
eharneyjust for the sake of argument, if that existed, you wouldn't have to fix 20 drivers...16:19
* smcginnis bites his tongue16:19
eharneybut i'm not sure why we didn't do that16:19
hemnaeharney, we discussed this in channel yesterday16:19
Swansoneharney, because madness.16:20
Poornimasince I am new to cinder anyone has small or low hanging fruits16:20
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sheeleharney: +1, we should find common way if possible...16:20
hemnaeharney, but basically the driver api is the same as create_volume16:20
hemnadrivers are supposed to look into the volume object to ensure the size is used.16:20
jgriffitheharney: some drivers can't extend IIRC16:20
hemnaand the reference driver shows what folks can/supposed to do.16:21
hemnajgriffith, in fact, I'm not sure our drivers can :(  we are trying workarounds.16:21
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sheelreference driver means LVM?16:21
jgriffitheharney: which was why it was in the driver and not a manager add on.  Not saying that's right, just saying that's what i think they did16:21
hemnasheel, yah16:21
eharneymakes sense16:21
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jgriffithhemna: we can deprecate the feature too?16:22
eharneyany chances of covering this with a tempest test at some point?16:22
hemnaI'd like too :)16:22
hemnaso for argument's sake16:22
Poornimasmcginnis, how about including this test in tempest plugin16:22
hemnasay we can't make it work in one of our drivers16:22
hemnaI think we are going to be forced to raise in the function16:22
* jgriffith has always found it kinda weird to do implicitly on clone anyway. But we still have the extend API call, so that's another can'o worms16:22
hemnaotherwise the volume object in the DB thinks the volume is the wrong size.16:23
eharneyhemna: i think you'd have to, not much else you can do16:23
hemnaeharney, yah :(16:23
jgriffithhemna: so I think this is somewhat easy to half fix16:23
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smcginnisIf we can make the interface more explicit16:23
jgriffithhemna: just return success info for extend, if manager doesn't get that, return back to original size16:23
jgriffithwe did exactly that at one point I thought16:24
smcginnisthe drivers that can optimize by starting with the larger size can handle it in one call16:24
Swansonextend has to be getting used now as 75% of the drivers didn't do it in the clone.  So raising is probably peachy.16:24
smcginnisand the ones that can't can be extended after the fact.16:24
hemnajgriffith, meaning a model update for the old size ?16:24
jgriffithhemna: yes16:24
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hemnawe can log a warning and model update I suppose16:24
hemnaextend might work later on for that same volume16:24
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jgriffithhemna: not saying it's the best answer, I would need to look at it again.  But I think we can certainly make it at least report correctly16:25
hemnathat would be better than putting the volume in error state16:25
hemnaI Think....16:25
jgriffithhemna: I'll take a look after I eat some Cheesecake16:25
jgriffithhemna: one other thing to consider... since we now have a handle to get capabilities16:26
jgriffithhemna: we could check extend-on-clone and immediately return error if one tries clone with extend16:26
jgriffithI honestly like that better.... just don't send the call or introduce any guess work16:26
jgriffithand rather than fix all the drivers that don't implement it, just add the capability to the drivers that do support it16:27
hemnaI think that'd be fine16:27
jgriffithsmcginnis: eharney thoughts ^16:27
smcginnisThat's a lot cleaner to me.16:27
smcginnisI like16:27
jgriffithok, I'll volunteer to work on that16:27
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eharneysounds good16:27
smcginnisjgriffith: Thanks!16:27
smcginnisAnything else? Or should we free up the channel and get back to it?16:28
eharneyi would like to see if we can get a tempest test to cover some of this16:28
jungleboyjjgriffith: That does sound cleaner.16:28
jgriffithsmcginnis: it'll be my shot of espresso after my cheesecake16:28
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smcginniseharney: Yes. We obviously don't test that well right now.16:28
smcginnisHah! Love it.16:28
jgriffitheharney: +116:28
smcginnisAlright. I think we can get back to work. Thanks everyone!16:29
* jungleboyj needs an espresso16:29
jungleboyjsmcginnis: Thanks!16:29
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jlvillalHello everyone.17:00
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jlvillalAs always the agenda is at:
jlvillal#topic Announcements17:00
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jlvillalI don't have any announcements. Does anyone else have anything?17:01
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jlvillalUK in the house :)17:01
jlvillalOkay, moving on ...17:02
jlvillal#topic Grenade testing of Ironic17:02
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jlvillal#info Work continues. Currently at stage where we see failures in booting the bare-metal node.17:03
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jlvillalSo mgould and I have both seen in the bare-metal node where it fails to network boot.17:03
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jlvillal#info Patch submitted in master to fix regression in stable/liberty. Once lands in master, will propose backport to stable/liberty:
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jlvillal#info Patch submitted to place bare-metal log files into the log directory for /opt/stack/old/ logfiles.
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jlvillalSo work continues, but slowly. Each run takes about 30-60 minutes depending on the system it runs on.17:05
jlvillalI don't have anything else to add.  Any questions or comments?17:06
* mgould has nothing to add - mostly been working on other things for the last few days17:06
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jlvillalmgould: Thanks for your help though. As John McClane says in Die Hard, "Welcome to the party pal" :P17:06
* jlvillal will do old 80's movie references...17:07
jlvillalOkay moving on...17:07
jlvillal#topic Functional testing of Ironic17:07
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jlvillalAnyone have any updates?17:07
mjturek1I hate to sound like a skipping record but still not much progress on functional. One thing I did do was look for a tempest test that might work as a good starting point for functional testing.17:07
mjturek1that being said, I'm not sure there is one, it's a lot of api testing and the big deployment test17:08
jlvillal #info Not much progress this week. Some research was done by mjturek1 on tempest tests.17:08
mjturek1does anyone have any suggestions here as to a test that could excercise the api and conductor? maybe port-update?17:08
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jlvillalmjturek1: I'm not sure. I haven't looked at them closely. Might be a good question for the general channel.17:09
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mjturek1jlvillal: will do17:09
jlvillalmjturek1: I would imagine dtantsur or lucasgomes would be good resources.17:09
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jlvillalOkay, moving on.17:09
mjturek1cool cool17:09
jlvillal#topic 3rd Part CI (krtaylor)17:09
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krtayloro/  sorry I 'm late17:09
krtaylorno progress to report this week17:10
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jlvillalkrtaylor: I noticed someone had posted a question to the mailing list on 3rd Party CI. Did you have time to respond?17:10
krtayloryes, I saw that, will respond today17:10
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krtayloralthough, it does beg the question17:10
krtaylorhow are we going to verify that they can receive events17:11
jlvillal#info No updates for this week.  krtaylor will respond to email question about 3rd Party CI17:11
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jlvillalkrtaylor: blind faith on our part?17:11
krtaylorhehheh, yeah17:11
sambettskrtaylor: you can se we are ;)17:11
jlvillalI'm not sure. Since we can't tell until they actually respond to the events.17:11
jlvillalLike the (in)famous Cisco 3rd Party CI ;)17:12
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krtaylorright, sandbox it the place unless they already have a reporting system, still not a bad idea to start there17:12
jlvillalkrtaylor: Anything else?17:13
krtaylornope, not this week17:13
jlvillalOkay moving on17:13
jlvillal#topic Open Discussion / General QA topics17:13
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jlvillalThe floor is open.17:13
jlvillalAnyone have anything?17:13
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jlvillal#info If anyone wants to work on Grenade testing, feel free to contact jlvillal17:14
jlvillalI'll give it one more minute of silence before ending meeting.17:14
[1]cdearbornAt Dell, we're ready to start on the next milestone for 3rd party CI17:14
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jlvillalOh great.  krtaylor ^^^17:15
[1]cdearbornand wondering if anyone has pointers to docs on network config, how to run tests, etc17:15
sambetts[1]cdearborn: what sort of info do you need?17:15
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krtaylor[1]cdearborn, we have just gone through all this in our team17:15
[1]cdearbornwell, for the hardware setup, how many networks are required, any special HW config17:16
krtaylor[1]cdearborn, I am trying to get it documented17:16
krtaylormjturek1, maurosr ^^^17:16
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[1]cdearbornthat would be great! thx17:16
mjturek1[1]cdearborn: are you testing on actual hardware as targets?17:16
[1]cdearbornyes, that is the objective17:17
mjturek1okay cool, yeah we're planning to get the documentation moving for that scenario17:17
krtayloryou also might be interested in what we are doing for baremetal pool management17:17
sambettsI have 3 physical networks in my testing infrastructure17:17
[1]cdearbornwe got a pile of new hardware and our lab guy wan't to know how it needs to be wired up/configed17:17
[1]cdearbornkrtaylor, absolutely!17:18
sambettsI'm running an openstack nodepool provider for managing all my devstack VMs, which are each handed a real server to try to boot17:19
sambettsusing Ironic17:19
sambettsWe are very nearly running, the jobs keep running into issues install the python packages while running devstack at the moment tough17:19
[1]cdearbornsambetts, that sounds similar to the setup that we currently have - nodepool on a VM17:19
mjturek1[1]cdearborn: networking wise, you'll need your management interface hooked up for each node and an interface to deploy to17:20
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mjturek1by management interface, I mean ipmi capable interface17:20
[1]cdearbornmjturek1, ok, so 2 networks: ipmi & provisioning17:20
mjturek1yep yep17:20
[1]cdearbornso what are the tests that are run?17:21
sambettsyou also need a network so that jenkins can talk to the slave17:21
sambettsunless thats going to run over one of the other two networks17:21
mjturek1[1]cdearborn: api tests on the dsvm then a big deployment test17:21
sambettsmjturek1: are you using the tempest suite?17:21
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mjturek1sambetts: we're using ironic's tempest plugin17:22
maurosrwe are, all the tests migrated from tempest to ironic's tree17:22
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sambettsI was aiming to run the same jobs as run by the Ironic gate, but just with the driver swapped out17:22
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jlvillalmgould:   Makes me wonder....17:22
openstackLaunchpad bug 1554908 in Ironic "baremetal machine fail in local boot in virtualbox " [Undecided,New] - Assigned to bin Yu (froyo-bin)17:22
[1]cdearbornsambetts, yes, that makes sense - does the gate just run some tempest ironic tests?17:23
mjturek1sambetts: not sure that will work with the current upstream tree. We had to patch a bunch and some of those are still in review17:23
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mjturek1right maurosr ^?17:23
jlvillalmgould: But not sure. As we are inside virtualbox and we are using QEMU I think. So not virtualbox inside virtualbox.17:23
sambetts[1]cdearborn: yes, they run the tempest suite with the regex baremetal or ironic17:23
[1]cdearbornsambetts, thx17:24
maurosryeah, using devstack, made us do some customizations in devstack and ironic mainly17:24
sambettsmjturek1: Oh interesting, do they do driver specific things then?17:24
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mjturek1sambetts: 'they' being the patches? or the tests?17:25
sambettsthe tests17:25
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mgouldjlvillal, yep, we're using QEMU inside virtualbox17:25
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sambettsI've been running devstack with the IRONIC_IS_HARDWARE=True flag to get my devstack setup running17:26
maurosrwell one of the test is deployment scenario, so it does driver specific things17:26
mgouldor QEMU inside QEMU17:26
maurosrusing pxe and ipmitool17:26
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maurosrthe changes we need on driver level were made here:
sambettsmaurosr: I thought that it would just do a deployment? e.g. nova boot, wait for active, check for ssh17:26
[1]cdearbornthx very much all, this gives me a base understanding and a place to start.  Much appreciated!17:27
mjturek1maurosr: these changes were power specific I thought17:27
mgouldjlvillal, I'll look to see if I get the same error on QEMU-inside-QEMU...17:27
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maurosrmjturek1: it is17:27
maurosr(I think I'm missunderstanding somethign here)17:27
jlvillalmgould: Thanks. My gut feeling is probably not an issue for us.17:27
mjturek1sambetts: you're deploying to x86 hardware, am I mistaken?17:28
sambettsmjturek1: yup17:28
mjturek1okay cool, so test wise I think everything is merged17:28
sambetts[1]cdearborn: feel free to ping me if you've got any questions, I'm still working through ours but I'm getting a pretty good understanding17:28
mgouldjlvillal, yeah, that doesn't look like our issue17:28
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mjturek1what I think isn't merged is some devstack stuff17:28
mjturek1maurosr: we should get a list together of what needs to merge for baremetal testing17:29
mjturek1(on baremetal targets that is)17:29
maurosrjust a second17:29
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vdrokmgould, jlvillal local boot works fine in qemu, just tried that today17:30
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sambettsmjturek1, maurosr: these changes sound interesting, I'd like to see them if possible, I've been planning an addtion to ironic devstack to aid in alternate driver deployments so I'd like to make sure I'm not duplicating anything17:30
jlvillalvdrok: Thanks17:30
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mjturek1sambetts, definitely. we'll work on getting you a list of patches we're using17:31
sambettsmjturek1: awesome :D17:31
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jlvillalI'm going to go ahead and end the meeting. Feel free to keep discussing things.17:32
mjturek1sambetts: actually that shouldn't be too hard. We have them in our pre_test_hook17:32
maurosrright, given our last build ( ) I would say we need this patches : which are not merged17:32
jlvillalBut I want to let people feel free to leave if they so wish.17:32
mjturek1jlvillal: sure17:32
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openstackMinutes (text):
sambettsI would love all us Third Party CI devs to sit down at some point during the summit if people are around to just have a chat about what each other is doing so that we can optimise the process17:32
krtaylorwe can move to #openstack-ironic17:32
jlvillal+1 to move to #openstack-ironic.17:33
jlvillalGet more people involved, I think.17:33
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kcalman+1 to Third Party CI devs sit down at summit17:34
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skraynev__#startmeeting heat20:00
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skraynev__#topic rollcall20:00
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randallburtand me too20:00
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skraynev__zaneb: ping20:01
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skraynev__markvan: hi20:01
zaneboh hey it's that week20:01
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skraynev__zaneb: yes :)20:02
skraynev__#topic Adding items to agenda20:02
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stevebakerskraynev__: deprecating old heat commands20:03
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skraynev__stevebaker: sure. added20:04
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skraynev__#topic Using 1.0.0 heatclient for creating stable/mitaka branch20:04
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skraynev__I think, that it's ok20:05
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skraynev__and want to ask does anybody have another candidates ?20:05
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stevebakerI haven't checked, is there any bug fixes in review or landed since 1.0.0 which justifies a 1.0.1?20:05
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skraynev__stevebaker: honestly me too...20:06
skraynev__wait a se20:06
markvanI have the one template validate one out there20:06
skraynev__wait a sec20:06
stevebakerthese have landed
stevebakermarkvan: since that is a feature it will need to be in 1.1.020:07
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skraynev__stevebaker: I see 3 patches after 1.0.020:08
stevebakermarkvan: which can be released soon but I assume we've missed the boat to make heatclient stable/mitaka branch be based off a 1.120:08
jdobis there an idea on when a 1.1.0 would be? is that aligned to Newton's release or not necessarily20:08
skraynev__1 - update requirements20:08
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stevebakerjdob: whenever we want to20:08
skraynev__stevebaker: 1 is not important20:09
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skraynev__3 is just fix for test20:09
skraynev__there is only one useful fix is 220:09
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skraynev__Fixed exceptions handling in stacks deleting20:10
skraynev__stevebaker: IMO it's strange to do 1.0.1 after one fix....20:10
stevebakerand its a low impact issue, I'm fine with branching on 1.0.020:10
skraynev__ ;)20:10
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skraynev__then I will send reply to Doug about our decision20:11
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skraynev__#topic Heat installation issue20:12
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skraynev__ping sam-i-am20:13
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jdobskraynev__ for what it's worth, a 1.0.1 release (even for one fix) might be easier on packagers20:13
jdob(sorry, I got that comment in late; we can continue that in #heat)20:13
stevebakerjdob: I don't think that fix is worth it20:13
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jdobgotcha; I didn't actually look at it, that was just a general sentiment on whether or not to increment a .z release20:14
skraynev_it was network disconnect...20:14
stevebakersam is not here20:14
jdobskraynev_ don't forge tto move back to skraynev__ to be able to end the meeting20:14
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jdob(ran into that last week in tripleo's meeting)20:15
skraynev__I hope, that now it works again20:15
jdobyou should be good to go20:15
skraynev__ok... then I just want to ask take a look on bug20:15
openstackLaunchpad bug 1554533 in heat "Trustee sections should support auth_type option" [High,Confirmed]20:15
skraynev__shardy mentioned, that he left comment and...20:16
skraynev__it looks like we need more details for further work.20:17
skraynev__so I think we may skip this item and just talk about it tomorrow with shardy20:17
skraynev__#topic RC1 status20:17
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skraynev__jdob: p.s. thx for the reminder about changing nick ;)20:18
skraynev__rc1 is planned on the next week20:18
skraynev__our FFE is mostly ok. We wait merge patch for infra:
skraynev__also please review
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markvanskraynev__: yup, I think those two are ready now, thx20:20
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skraynev__experimental job for legacy engine  works fine...20:21
stevebakerskraynev__: zoiks, waiting 130 minutes seems a little extreme20:21
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skraynev__markvan: what about convergence case? I have seen, that it failed20:21
skraynev__by timeout. again ...20:21
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markvanyeah, it has never gotten far enough to run the new test case20:22
stevebakermarkvan: ok, so we don't know how long it takes to run yet?20:22
markvan130 is from what the current lbaas folks are using20:22
skraynev__stevebaker: yes. I know about it. as markvan  teach me it happens due to long installation Octavia20:23
markvanRunning it locally, it take 4-8 minutes  (first spin up a lb)20:23
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markvanyeah, adding octavia pushes devstack install >20 minutes20:23
skraynev__stevebaker: so as I understand we spent most time for devstack preparation20:23
stevebakerinteresting, why does octavia take so long to install?20:24
skraynev__stevebaker. markvan: also I start thinking about running lbaas test in separate job in N20:24
stevebakeris it not on the test images already?20:25
markvanoctavia downloads the amphora images20:25
stevebakerare amphora images hosted on openstack infra?20:25
markvannot sure20:25
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stevebakerlike here?
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markvanI can check into those images20:27
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stevebakerok, 20 minutes is quite a hit, lets see what we can do about that20:28
skraynev__stevebaker: remember, that we have 1 week for it, so we need to do it soon ;)20:29
skraynev__markvan: ^20:29
skraynev__so please pay attention on all suggestions on review20:29
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stevebakerok, we could raise the timeout for now. Maybe the timeout value can be templated so that other jobs that don't install Octavia can be lower20:30
skraynev__also I will start moving all high/medium bugs without assigner to N120:30
jdobskraynev__, the RC1 bugs are accurate for Importance, right? i don't have anything on that list and should have time to take some on, I just wanted to double check that the high ones are actually high20:30
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skraynev__jdob: there is one free High bug, which probably will be took by shrady... so I think your help will need with review20:32
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skraynev__all in progress bugs20:32
skraynev__also feel free to check statuses of not "In progress" bugs20:32
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skraynev__if you think, that will be better to move some bug to N, please ping me and point on it20:33
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skraynev__stevebaker: hm... I have left same comment about isolation existing jobs from timeout for lbaas v220:35
stevebakerskraynev__: ok20:35
skraynev__markvan: can you do it in the same patch ^ ?20:36
skraynev__try to split it , I mean20:36
markvanI would rather do it with a follow up patch, to get the test running now20:36
skraynev__looks like more people want it, so I tend to ask you do it20:36
markvanWhat I worry about is that the lbaas v1 job is also timing out, but just not that often20:37
stevebakermarkvan: but is it timing out due to failure or just taking a while to run20:37
markvanstevebaker: I did not see any failure in the ones I looked at, was about 90% thru the tests when it timed out20:38
markvanand the reason seemed to be a longer then usualy (<20 min)  devstack install20:39
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markvanso that could have been just a devstack install issue20:39
stevebakermarkvan: ok, if those timeouts were not caused by a particular test stalling then it sounds like we need to raise the timeout in the short term and spend some effort on reducing run times next20:40
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markvanyeah, I think once we get the test running, and see the actual times, it will help with the division of labor20:41
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skraynev__markvan: how about two separate patches - increase timeout for small value, as stevebaker suggested and another patch with adding "special" timeout for lbaaas v 2 tests?20:41
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markvanskraynev__: sure, I can do that20:42
skraynev__markvan: please post patches and add us on review ;)20:42
skraynev__#topic template-validate heat-template gate broke20:42
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openstackLaunchpad bug 1554380 in heat "heat-template zuul faliure" [High,New] - Assigned to Kanagaraj Manickam (kanagaraj-manickam)20:43
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markvanthe gate is using heat template-validate to run against all templates in the project20:44
skraynev__KanagarajM: is not here as I understand, but looks like his fix failed with another error20:44
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markvanwas using a hack to ignore the services not being there, only heat is available in this devstack.20:44
stevebakerIts possible we should make this job non-voting while we sort this out20:45
skraynev__markvan: ops. I missed, that fix was proposed by you. sorry20:45
markvanyeah, basic question, is there a way to "validate" all these templates without any more input?20:45
stevebakerand use human-eye based validation just so things can land again20:45
skraynev__and then fix gate and turn back it to voting...20:46
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markvanstevebaker: yup, I think this needs to be non-voting or just disabled, as I don't think it was validating much to begin with.20:46
skraynev__markvan: I prefer temporary non-voting20:46
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stevebakermarkvan: lets make it non-voting - the validation of template structure was useful20:46
skraynev__validation is still need, IMO and should be fixed20:46
markvank, I can push a patch for nv20:46
skraynev__markvan: yeah. please ;)20:46
jdobi thought template-validate intentionally didn't contact other services20:47
skraynev__#topic deprecation old CLI20:47
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skraynev__stevebaker: do you want to discuss it as plan for N ?20:47
stevebakerjdob: possibly heat refactoring means validate and preview use the same validation paths20:47
skraynev__stevebaker: you are right.20:48
jdobstevebaker, ok, i'll ask you more after the meeting, since I was't sure if that was a bug or intentional20:48
stevebakerwe need a plain for how to deprecate the old heat commands now that 1.0.0 is out20:48
neelashah1+1 stevebaker20:49
skraynev__stevebaker: what exactly you want clarify ?  I think we may do it in the same way as keystone client20:49
stevebakerI suggest that someone puts together a commit which prints a deprecation warning that includes what the new command is20:49
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skraynev__i.e. add some global warning  with reference on openstack client20:49
skraynev__stevebaker: if nobody mind, we can take it20:50
stevebakerbut I see no reason to have a plan for actually deleting the old commands. And old commands can get improvements as long as the new commands get the same improvements20:50
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skraynev__stevebaker: in this case we need some short guide line like: if you improve osc, please add it to old cli ?20:51
stevebakerhowever my question is how should we update the docs which reference heat commands? Its going to take a while for 1.0.0 to propagate and be installed. When do pages like this switch over?
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skraynev__neelashah1, markvan: guys if you don't mind, I will take task with adding deprecation warnings.20:52
markvanskraynev__: k20:52
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skraynev__neelashah1, markvan: but if we don't propose any chnges after week, feel free to do it ;)20:52
skraynev__markvan: thank you20:52
jdobskraynev__, if you are busy with RC stuff I can do it (i was going to volunteer for it too)20:52
stevebakerskraynev__: no, osc commands can improve without adding them to the old cli. But any change which improves the old cli needs a -1 review unless the osc command has the same thing20:52
neelashah1skraynev_ : Ok, thanks20:52
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skraynev__stevebaker: and again, IMO, we should document this approach20:53
jdobstevebaker, what about simply saving the existing pages as < 1.0 and adding new pages with the 1.0 stuff?20:53
jdobprobably wouldn't hurt to give all of those docs a read through for polishing up in the process20:53
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jdoband then a link at the top of the pages "For < 1.0 client, click here"20:54
markvanstevebaker: yeah, but I still push back a bit on changing the old cli, unless good reason not to only go into osc20:54
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jdobtoo bad we don't use readthedocs, I like their version support20:54
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skraynev__stevebaker: I'd prefer to mention both cases : old CLI and new OSC20:54
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stevebakermarkvan: yeah, some pushback would be justified. Often they wouldn't even be aware of the new commands20:54
skraynev__markvan: except bug fixes, I suppose20:55
markvanyes, valid bugs are fine for a while20:56
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skraynev__stevebaker: I think, that the best way is to add one page with all migrations old CLI ->> equal command in OSC20:56
stevebakerjdob: there is the cli-reference too,
skraynev__and then update old pages by using new OSC20:56
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jdobskraynev__ i like the idea of a one page guide for existing users20:57
stevebakerskraynev__: like have a note at the top of any page which has heat commands pointing them to the mapping if they don't have 1.0.0 yet20:57
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skraynev__stevebaker: +120:57
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jdobstevebaker, so oyou're ok with a "look at this mapping" instead of having both side by side in the same docs? I agree with that20:58
jdobi'd like to avoid mixing them on the same page20:58
stevebakerjdob: yeah, side by side would be some clutter20:58
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markvanskraynev__: fyi I added patch to cli doc to have in include ocs plugins (include new heat), just need to get versions bumped now to pick it up20:58
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stevebaker#action Add a page to for new cli -> old cli mapping20:58
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markvanskraynev__: all of it will it gen'd from the cli help and will appear under the ocs page20:59
stevebakermarkvan: where is this page?21:00
stevebakertimes up21:00
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jdobstevebaker, what about the larger effort of updating all of the pages? is that going to be a blueprint? spec-lite?21:00
markvanstevebaker: #link
stevebakerjdob: bah, lets just do it21:00
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jdobkk, lemme know if i can help out and how you'd want to coordinate that21:00
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jdobok, we should end this and skraynev seems to be having network issues21:01
jdobit's #endmeeting right?21:01
skraynev_jdob: yes21:01
stevebakerwe're not the chair21:01
markvanstevebaker: #link
patchbotmarkvan: patch 256117 - openstack-doc-tools - Add additional openstack client plugins (MERGED)21:01
skraynev_I know :(21:01
jdoboh, there you are, I was gonna move to skraynev__ and do it21:01
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jdobi've seen that work before :)21:01
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skraynev_jdob: not for now :(((21:02
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notmynameso what's going on?21:03
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skraynev_notmyname: hi. sorry. I had a network issue and was disconnected as result I can not relogin with correct nick name21:03
skraynev_and end meeting :(21:03
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skraynev_notmyname: YEAH21:03
jdobthere you go21:03
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notmynamegreat :-)21:04
notmynameok, swift time21:04
skraynev__notmyname: sorry for the delay21:04
notmynameno worries21:04
notmyname#startmeeting swift21:04
openstackMeeting started Wed Mar  9 21:04:29 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'swift'21:04
notmynameswift team meeting time. who's here?21:04
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notmynamegreat to see everyone21:05
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notmynameI want to keep this week's meeting fairly short21:05
notmyname#topic hackathon summary21:05
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notmynamelast week was the hackathon in bristol21:06
notmynameacoles: thank you, again, for hosting and all the work you put in21:06
notmynameit was a fantastic week21:06
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kota_so great21:06
dmoritaIt was nice to see you guys21:06
acolesthanks, we were glad to host you all21:06
pdardeauawesome work acoles!21:06
notmynameI'd like to spend most of the meeting tim on this topic to hear from everyone (and share with those who weren't there)21:07
notmynamewhat did you like? what can we improve? what are you happy got done? etc21:07
notmynamepersonally, I found huge benefit in the conversations about the community itself. I've got several things to work on about how to track things, what to track, what *not* to track, etc. thank you for all your input21:08
notmynameI'm also really happy that fast-post and the ops runbook docs landed21:08
mattoliveraufree baby sitting or birthing facilities for those of us who were home-ridden just in case :P21:08
notmynamemattoliverau: we'll work on that for next time :-)21:09
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acoleswe missed mattoliverau21:09
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acolesnotmyname: agree, discussions about community and process were good21:09
notmynamewhat was another thing that happened last week that you enjoyed or found benefit in?21:10
acolesalso good to get consensus on container sync patches21:10
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pdardeauas newcomer to community, insight/learning that's not possible via irc21:11
notmynameI'll be bugging people about those in the days to come to see if we can get the container stuff into the next release21:11
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pdardeauand meeting people in person!21:11
jrichliseems like we planned out the topics pretty well.  maybe the last couple days were harder to know what was being discussed when21:11
* mattoliverau is looking forward to some summaries cause it sounds like he missed alot.21:11
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kota_jirichli: exactly21:12
notmynameyeah, it did feel like a bunch of topics got piled intot he last day21:12
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notmynamemattoliverau: mostly we were in a room and talked. then we all went to a different room and talked and ate. then we went to a different room and talked and had beer21:13
jrichlidont forget the bus rides!21:13
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jrichligood conversations there21:13
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acolesmattoliverau: and rarely we went to individual rooms and slept :)21:13
mattoliveraunotmyname: thanks :P Now I'm up to speed :P21:14
acolesoh yeah, the bus could have been better :/21:14
mattoliverauacoles: lol21:14
notmynameso acoles provided us a bus to and from the HPE office. and we all rode it together instead of everyone coming and going at different times21:14
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notmynamethe bus had the unintentional side effect of fostering a lot of good conversations it seems21:14
jrichliacoles got a scare one day - was gonna order a bunch of taxis21:14
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acolessingle replica bus is not robust21:15
notmynamehere's one summary thing that happend21:15
mattoliveraumultiple taxis are eventually consistant :P21:15
notmynamewe spent a lot of time talking about long review times21:15
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acolesmattoliverau: lol21:15
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notmynameand the result is (1) prioritization of reviews is very imported instead of just number of patches reviewed. and (2) *good* reviews are very important to encourage21:16
mattoliveraunotmyname: so a long review on long reviews?21:16
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acolesdid clayg write something up about good reviews? i saw something, on github maybe, is it on gerrit?21:17
notmynamealso another think I'll try to facilitate going forward are some different ways to communicate with each other like voice and/or video chat. probably around a specific topic21:17
notmynameacoles: yep21:17
mattoliverauyeah, the reviewer guidelines21:17
acolesit looked great21:17
jrichlisounded like we are gonna accept any form of communicating a design for now : you dont *have* to write a spec, right?21:17
notmynamestill in progress, but definitely a good idea to have21:17
patchbotnotmyname: patch 287616 - swift - Adding review guidelines21:18
notmynameso, other things talked about include global cluster improvements (including container sync). we made good progress there I hear21:19
notmynameanyone want to give a better summary on that?21:19
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notmynamenot everyone at once ;-)21:19
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kota_ah yeah21:20
notmynameI can give it a try21:20
tdasilvabasically what I got from that is that we will continue to spend time improving obth21:20
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notmynameah, good. go kota_ and tdasilva :-)21:20
acoleswe reviewed use cases, pros/cons of container sync and global clusters, and agreed both were valuable features21:20
tdasilvaas they help with different use cases21:20
acolesand both have some deficiencies which people are working on fixing21:21
mattoliveraucool, +1 to that21:21
kota_yup, and i think we need something like table for users which staff is suitable for you use case in upstream docs.21:21
tdasilvaunderstanding the pros/cons was very valuable to me21:21
tdasilvakota_: +121:21
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kota_i have a picture for the white board and am willing to write down in docs in the future.21:22
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mattoliverauyeah andy was really excited after that topic and started getting container sync into openstack-ansible21:22
notmynamekota_: great :-)21:22
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notmynamewe also talked about notifications, and that quickly went into the metadata search use case21:22
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notmynameand we talked with the searchlight team21:22
notmynamethe idea we came up with is something like container sync (its mechanisms to poll the container DBs) to directly feed the indexer instead of a message bus21:23
mattoliveraugreat, seems to be hugh community interest in that one and I wasn't even there21:23
notmyname(like rabbit)21:23
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notmynamejoel and tim worked with alex on client docs and have some stuff in progress there21:23
notmynameanything else to bring up?21:23
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acolesthere was a session on RBAC and policy which I missed21:24
notmynameright. me too :-(21:24
acolesanyone here attend that?21:24
notmynameho_away: ?21:24
ho_awayacoles: we had a great explanation from donagh for it :-)21:24
acolesho_away: oic. i must ask him for a replay!21:24
tdasilvathanks to jrichli and acoles on the the crypto status update21:25
tdasilvaI think we also got a good plan on how we see it landing on master21:25
notmynameyeah! the goal for crypto is to have a reasonably good feature branch by the summit21:25
notmyname(and merging shortly thereafter)21:25
notmynamejrichli: acoles: do I remember correctly?21:25
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jrichlinotmyname: yes! and review the COPY as mw patches21:25
acolesnotmyname: yes21:25
acolesoh yeah, tdasilva gave great overview of whats happening with COPY moving to middleware21:26
notmynamethat hasn't landed yet? ;-)21:26
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mattoliveraulol, I was going to make the same joke :P21:26
acolesi saw some more +1 on one patch, thanks reviewers!21:26
mattoliverautdasilva: typey typey21:27
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notmynamemattoliverau: I think it's on us reviewers now!21:27
tdasilvamattoliverau: it's done...i'm just waiting for reviews :(21:27
ho_awayacoles: yeah, he gave us a good explanation why it is important (i also learned from it)21:27
mattoliveraudamn.. thats on me then :P21:27
acolesmattoliverau: and clayg was badgering to get concurrent gets landed21:27
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tdasilvawhat's typey typey for "go review"21:27
acolesstarey starey21:28
notmynameoverall, to say again, it was a great week and very productive21:28
tdasilvajust in general...I liked the way we chose the topics to discuss in Austin better than this time...just my 2 cents...21:28
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notmynamethank you to everyone who attended, and I hope everyone else will be at the next one :-)21:28
notmynametdasilva: that's good to know. I'll have to buy some more dot stickers ;-)21:28
tdasilvanotmyname: hehehe...i think letting people rank what's important and focusing on that was nice21:29
tdasilvai guess it goes with the whole rocks and sands anology21:29
notmynameyeah, I think I liked that better too.21:29
notmynameok, in the interest of time, I want to move on to some general stuff21:30
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notmyname#topic general summary of things21:30
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notmyname(how's that for a generic topic)21:30
notmynameI dont' want to discuss the per-release vs per-commit docs for swiftclient this week21:30
notmynamewe just cut a release last week, so frankly it doesn't matter too much now21:30
notmynameI'm learning some about how they are built, so I think we may be able to have the best of both21:31
notmynamespeaking of releases...21:31
notmynamewe just did swiftclient 3.0.0, and that will be the final one (baring any security issues) for mitaka21:31
notmynameand for swift itself, we'll have one more release scheduled for mitaka21:31
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notmynameour final date for that is the week of march 2821:32
notmynamebut I'll likely try to do it sooner than later21:32
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notmynameie next week or the week after21:32
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notmynamelater this week i'll start to organize the starred patches for what we should try to get in21:33
notmynamespeaking of starred patches...21:33
notmynamecommunity dashboard seems to be doing one of it's jobs...21:33
notmynameonly 8 unreviewed patches right now!21:33
notmynameyou all gave me a lot of feedback last week, so I'll be updating this page in the future21:34
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notmyname(specifically about measuring review vs owner timings21:34
kota_maybe a bunch of unreviewd patches got conflicted with current master :/21:34
notmynameand finally, (at least in the US) the daylight saving time starts this weekend, but we still will meet next week at 2100UTC21:35
notmynameso for some of you, the meeting time will change. pay attention :-=)21:35
notmynameand that's all I have for this week21:36
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notmynameanything else (please keep patch begging in -swift)21:36
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notmynametdasilva: go21:37
notmynameok, fine21:37
notmynamethanks for coming. thank you for your work on swift21:37
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