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| JRobinson__ | Good Morning all, | 00:15 |
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| JRobinson__ | We're aiming to start the APAC docs meeting in about 15 minutes. | 00:15 |
| loquacities | JRobinson__: you're a gem, thank you :) | 00:15 |
| JRobinson__ | np loquacities | 00:15 |
| JRobinson__ | Just saw the time. | 00:16 |
| katomo | good morning, JRobinson__, loquacities | 00:17 |
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| loquacities | hello katomo! | 00:17 |
| loquacities | good to see you :) | 00:18 |
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| loquacities | ok, let's get this party started! | 00:29 |
| loquacities | #startmeeting docteam | 00:29 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 9 00:29:31 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is loquacities. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:29 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:29 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 00:29 |
| loquacities | who have we got here today? | 00:29 |
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| JRobinson__ | JRobinson__, o/ | 00:30 |
| bmoss | hey hey | 00:30 |
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| loquacities | hiya tonyb :P | 00:31 |
| katomo | hi | 00:31 |
| loquacities | hi katomo | 00:32 |
| darrenc | hi | 00:32 |
| loquacities | ok, i can call that quorum :P | 00:32 |
| loquacities | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 00:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from the last meeting (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 00:32 | |
| loquacities | i think the only one recently was for me to find a release manager | 00:32 |
| loquacities | which i am happy to report i have done | 00:32 |
| loquacities | and not just one, but two! | 00:32 |
| loquacities | we're meeting tonight, so more on that to come, i guess | 00:33 |
| loquacities | #topic Specs in review | 00:33 |
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| loquacities | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/docs-specs,n,z | 00:33 |
| loquacities | there are only two, both are to add content to the install guide | 00:33 |
| loquacities | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290053/ (trove) | 00:33 |
| loquacities | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/289994/ (magnum) | 00:34 |
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| loquacities | i think we probably need to start discussing in more depth about an extra added install guide (we did discuss this a couple of summits ago) | 00:34 |
| loquacities | but that's a summit topic | 00:34 |
| loquacities | any questions on specs? | 00:34 |
| asettle | Sorry I'm late, forgot I hadn't joined the irc channel (very smart) | 00:34 |
| loquacities | or on adding content to the install guide | 00:34 |
| loquacities | asettle: hiya :) | 00:35 |
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| asettle | What did I miss? Sorry. | 00:35 |
| loquacities | asettle: just the link to the current specs | 00:35 |
| loquacities | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/docs-specs,n,z | 00:35 |
| JRobinson__ | The trove spec looks good | 00:36 |
| loquacities | yeah, i don't have a theoretical problem with adding content to the install guide | 00:36 |
| loquacities | it's just the maintenance | 00:36 |
| bmoss | maybe a Core Services Install Guide and a Optional Services Install Guide | 00:36 |
| loquacities | so having our core install guide (as it is now), but then adding another book that doesn't have the same testing requirements might be an option | 00:36 |
| loquacities | bmoss: exactly | 00:36 |
| bmoss | snap | 00:37 |
| loquacities | :) | 00:37 |
| bmoss | I think a summit discussion is a good idea | 00:37 |
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| loquacities | agreed | 00:37 |
| asettle | Oh I like. | 00:37 |
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| asettle | Thanks loquacities for hte catch up :) | 00:37 |
| loquacities | more on summit planning later, though | 00:37 |
| loquacities | let's move on | 00:37 |
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| loquacities | #topic Speciality teams | 00:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Speciality teams (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 00:37 | |
| loquacities | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Speciality_Team_Reports | 00:37 |
| loquacities | the most exciting thing to report is about the API guides | 00:37 |
| loquacities | #topic API guides now have a way to publish HTML from swagger | 00:38 |
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| loquacities | which basically means fairy-slipper can be considered 'feature complete' | 00:38 |
| loquacities | oops, i topicd instead of infod | 00:38 |
| bmoss | \o/ | 00:38 |
| loquacities | #undo | 00:38 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Topic object at 0xaeb1490> | 00:38 |
| loquacities | #info API guides now have a way to publish HTML from swagger | 00:39 |
| loquacities | any other speciality team updates? | 00:39 |
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| loquacities | ok, let's move on | 00:40 |
| JRobinson__ | The User Guide items are going okay | 00:40 |
| loquacities | JRobinson__: cool! | 00:40 |
| loquacities | any chance you'll be done by mitaka? | 00:40 |
| JRobinson__ | that's all, and we're having a meeting tomorrow on the patch under review | 00:40 |
| JRobinson__ | I'm still confident we can complete the reorg, and edit the Cloud Admin content be mitaka. | 00:40 |
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| JRobinson__ | ^by mitaka | 00:40 |
| loquacities | awesome | 00:41 |
| katomo | JRobinson__: great | 00:41 |
| loquacities | darrenc: any progress update on the arch guide reorg? | 00:41 |
| JRobinson__ | then that's one item down. Checking the content accuracy is the next goal, or one of the next goals. | 00:41 |
| darrenc | yes, bmoss are working on some arch guide bugs during the bug smash | 00:42 |
| darrenc | and I* | 00:42 |
| loquacities | how's it looking? | 00:42 |
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| bmoss | It's going well. | 00:42 |
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| darrenc | 3 bugs in progress | 00:43 |
| bmoss | More editing required than I anticipated. It hasn't been as simple as copy/paste | 00:43 |
| loquacities | chances of finishing by mitaka? | 00:43 |
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| loquacities | bmoss: that's the story of the arch guide, i think ;) | 00:43 |
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| darrenc | Perhaps halfway in the next release cycle | 00:44 |
| loquacities | cool | 00:44 |
| loquacities | ok, let's move on | 00:44 |
| loquacities | #topic Countdown to release | 00:44 |
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| loquacities | 28 days! | 00:44 |
| loquacities | #info Release Managers - Brian & Olga | 00:45 |
| loquacities | as mentioned earlier | 00:45 |
| loquacities | thanks for stepping upo :) | 00:45 |
| bmoss | isn't there a movie about 28 days? | 00:45 |
| loquacities | up* | 00:45 |
| asettle | Erp | 00:45 |
| loquacities | #info Install Guide testing | 00:46 |
| loquacities | so, i note that sam-i-am isn't here | 00:46 |
| bmoss | sam-i-isn't? | 00:46 |
| loquacities | but we were chatting yesterday, and apaprently there's some keystone problems | 00:46 |
| loquacities | lol | 00:46 |
| asettle | bmoss: oh no | 00:46 |
| katomo | guide update by sam-i-am looks good progress | 00:46 |
| loquacities | which seems to be par for the course | 00:46 |
| katomo | hm | 00:46 |
| loquacities | so i'll be chasing that up with keystone today | 00:47 |
| loquacities | yeah, the testing matrix is looking sad though: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/MitakaDocTesting | 00:47 |
| bmoss | very sad | 00:48 |
| katomo | oh | 00:48 |
| loquacities | i really would like to get the cross-project liaisons more involved in this process | 00:48 |
| asettle | loquacities: so... my potential intern is keen to do that | 00:48 |
| loquacities | asettle: can they start last week? | 00:48 |
| loquacities | there are also seems to be some problem with heat, but it could be a packaging problem | 00:49 |
| loquacities | yet again, the RDO testing repos are apparently not in great shape | 00:50 |
| loquacities | but, this is my job to poke around a little more today | 00:50 |
| loquacities | if you know of anyone who might be willing to jump in and do even a little bit of testing, please ping them | 00:50 |
| asettle | loquacities: I'll ask ;) | 00:51 |
| loquacities | thanks :) | 00:51 |
| bmoss | I should be able to start testing soon | 00:51 |
| loquacities | bmoss: that'd be awesome, thank you | 00:51 |
| bmoss | no worries | 00:51 |
| loquacities | anything else on release activities? | 00:51 |
| loquacities | ok, let's move on | 00:52 |
| bmoss | loquacities, just about the rel manager meeting | 00:52 |
| loquacities | bmoss: yep? | 00:52 |
| bmoss | I think it is actually scheduled for tomorrow afternoon, not today | 00:52 |
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| loquacities | bmoss: oh, you're right | 00:52 |
| loquacities | my bad | 00:52 |
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| loquacities | it's in my calendar correctly | 00:53 |
| bmoss | no worries. Just want to make sure we're all there. :) | 00:53 |
| loquacities | #topic Summit Planning | 00:53 |
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| loquacities | #info ATC passes are now all out | 00:53 |
| loquacities | i also note that the ATC discount expires today-ish | 00:53 |
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| loquacities | so you probably want to go and register if you haven't already done so | 00:53 |
| loquacities | #info Speakers were announced this week | 00:54 |
| loquacities | there's also a schedule up | 00:54 |
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| loquacities | #info Room allocations requested, TBA | 00:54 |
| loquacities | hopefully we'll hear on room allocations real soon now | 00:54 |
| JRobinson__ | ATC passes I think are set to run out on March 11 at the latest - not sure of the time zone, so today-ish is a good time to complete that. | 00:54 |
| asettle | Awesome | 00:54 |
| loquacities | once that happens, i'll note in the newsletter, and in this meeting | 00:54 |
| loquacities | any questions on summit prep? | 00:55 |
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| loquacities | oh, i should mention that i'm intending to run for docs PTL again, too | 00:56 |
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| loquacities | nominations open next week, and i'd love your support | 00:56 |
| asettle | Link us ;) | 00:56 |
| loquacities | there's no link yet | 00:56 |
| bmoss | \o/ | 00:56 |
| loquacities | i have to actually write my nomination before i can submit it ;) | 00:56 |
| katomo | :) | 00:57 |
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| loquacities | #topic Open discussion | 00:58 |
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| loquacities | anything else? | 00:58 |
| katomo | nothing from me | 00:58 |
| loquacities | cool, thanks katomo | 00:58 |
| bmoss | I'm good | 00:59 |
| loquacities | great! | 00:59 |
| JRobinson__ | All good here | 00:59 |
| asettle | Ditto | 00:59 |
| loquacities | ok, thanks for your time everyone | 00:59 |
| loquacities | and remember: install guide needs your love! | 00:59 |
| loquacities | ;) | 00:59 |
| katomo | :) | 01:00 |
| loquacities | #endmeeting | 01:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 9 01:00:06 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:00 |
| katomo | thanks, all | 01:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2016/docteam.2016-03-09-00.29.html | 01:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2016/docteam.2016-03-09-00.29.txt | 01:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2016/docteam.2016-03-09-00.29.log.html | 01:00 |
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| JRobinson__ | Thanks everyone o/ | 01:00 |
| asettle | Thanks loquacities :) | 01:00 |
| loquacities | thanks all o/ | 01:00 |
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| bmoss | cyall | 01:01 |
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| dguitarbite | rluethi: ping | 10:32 |
| rluethi | dguitarbite: sup | 10:33 |
| dguitarbite | julenl: hi | 10:33 |
| julenl | here I am :) | 10:33 |
| dguitarbite | #startmeeting training-labs | 10:33 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 9 10:33:18 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dguitarbite. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 10:33 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 10:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: training-labs)" | 10:33 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_labs' | 10:33 |
| dguitarbite | Hello | 10:33 |
| rluethi | hi | 10:34 |
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| dguitarbite | #topic release-cycle | 10:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "release-cycle (Meeting topic: training-labs)" | 10:34 | |
| dguitarbite | I had a chat with dhellmann on Monday evening (CET) where he clarified the release cycle and version numbering for training-albs | 10:34 |
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| rluethi | k? I didn't know there was such a thing. | 10:35 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: Its to make the process more clear and simpler also follow existing trends for a proper release cycle. | 10:35 |
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| dguitarbite | I would like to get our teams vote on the model that made the most sense. | 10:35 |
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| rluethi | is there a link? | 10:36 |
| dguitarbite | no, Ill tell you about it now. | 10:36 |
| julenl | well.. but we cover all the release cycles... | 10:36 |
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| julenl | it does not make much sense to make a "training-labs Liberty" | 10:36 |
| dguitarbite | so, starting with release cycle: We have one big release every 6 months | 10:37 |
| dguitarbite | and we decided to have a milestone in the middle every 3 months, this milestone would be the point where we shift our focus on the guest side scripts | 10:38 |
| dguitarbite | for the next release in sync with install-guides team. | 10:38 |
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| dguitarbite | so we have a release ==> branch + tag (tags would provide stable points for our users) | 10:38 |
| dguitarbite | milestone ==> Another tag | 10:38 |
| dguitarbite | So the intermediary release should ideally freeze the work on lib and scripts for the last release on the master and then start working on the next release. | 10:40 |
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| dguitarbite | This also allows us to have a logical version numbering. | 10:40 |
| dguitarbite | the version numbering is X:Y:Z where X=> Major release (Liberty, Mitaka) Y => Milestones Z => Bug Fixes and Backporting | 10:41 |
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| rluethi | I currently don't see a reason to oppose this, but the implications are unclear to me. | 10:42 |
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| dguitarbite | rluethi: It makes the release process simpler and also provides our users with better way to consume our stable releases. | 10:43 |
| julenl | does it involve creating a new repository for each release? | 10:44 |
| rluethi | Most of our merged patches are things we want our users to have ASAP instead of having them wait for a release. | 10:44 |
| rluethi | But if we keep building trunk packages for every changeset merged, I don't see a problem (yet). | 10:44 |
| rluethi | julenl: certainly not a repo, probably a branch. | 10:44 |
| dguitarbite | julenl: No, just a branch | 10:44 |
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| dguitarbite | We tag the branch for stable releases like 1.1.0 which means that the users should have a stable release at that tag | 10:45 |
| dguitarbite | at present we are just branching | 10:45 |
| julenl | I see... | 10:46 |
| dguitarbite | the problem with just branching is that, all the backports that would potentially break the cluster are considered as stable release. | 10:46 |
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| dguitarbite | With a tag we can differentiate this | 10:46 |
| julenl | what about naming the releases after the last openstack release supported? | 10:46 |
| rluethi | well, usually the tip of each branch is already the best, most stable version of each release. | 10:46 |
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| julenl | that makes sense | 10:47 |
| rluethi | not sure what a release that is going to add to that. | 10:47 |
| dguitarbite | yes, this is correct | 10:48 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: I agree with you but that means a lot of work to make sure that the stable branch is really stable. | 10:48 |
| dguitarbite | If we have release tags | 10:48 |
| rluethi | Let's try it I guess and see how it plays out. | 10:49 |
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| dguitarbite | rluethi: yes, we should try it out | 10:49 |
| dguitarbite | I would say that the release team has the experience which we should exploit rather than learning it the hard way | 10:50 |
| dguitarbite | Since we are going to publish the training-labs website soon, it makes sense to be prepared :) | 10:50 |
| dguitarbite | Anything against the version numbering? | 10:50 |
| julenl | not from my side | 10:51 |
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| rluethi | I don't have enough information to be for it or against it. Let's try it. | 10:51 |
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| dguitarbite | rluethi: ok, Ill send a patch to the right repositories. For the team it should not change anything. | 10:52 |
| dguitarbite | We are just adding tags at a point the cluster is the most stable on every branch except the master :) | 10:52 |
| julenl | I guess it will make it fit better within the rest of the projects, using a similar approach | 10:52 |
| dguitarbite | julenl: Yes. | 10:52 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: My apologizes if I am not able to explain properly. | 10:53 |
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| dguitarbite | rluethi: ping? May be we could have a short call today evening so I can explain this to you much better with --verbose -vvv | 10:54 |
| rluethi | dguitarbite: NP. It may also be due to my being constantly distracted. | 10:55 |
| * dguitarbite same here | 10:55 | |
| dguitarbite | so next topic? | 10:55 |
| dguitarbite | #topic summit-talks | 10:55 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "summit-talks (Meeting topic: training-labs)" | 10:55 | |
| rluethi | next :/ | 10:55 |
| julenl | any news on that? | 10:55 |
| dguitarbite | Unfortunately both the training-labs talks were rejected. | 10:55 |
| julenl | what? :O | 10:56 |
| dguitarbite | I have another talk which got accepted so that means that I will go for the summit. | 10:56 |
| julenl | where did you see that? | 10:56 |
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| dguitarbite | I got an email from the foundation. May be I misread something. | 10:56 |
| * dguitarbite digging through the emails | 10:56 | |
| rluethi | I got the email, too. | 10:57 |
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| julenl | hmm... i didn't | 10:57 |
| * dguitarbite sigh** with releif | 10:57 | |
| julenl | when was that? | 10:57 |
| rluethi | Saves me two weeks of vacation and a bundle of money. Yay me. | 10:57 |
| dguitarbite | julenl: how about your talk? Can you try to search with the email domain speakersupport@openstack.org | 10:57 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: Yay! I dont want to go but have to go :\ | 10:58 |
| julenl | hmm... I didn't get any message yet... | 10:58 |
| dguitarbite | julenl: Ok, may be they are still considering your talk. Best of luck :). | 10:59 |
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| dguitarbite | julenl: But we can hangout in Austin for sure :) | 10:59 |
| dguitarbite | So next topic? | 10:59 |
| dguitarbite | #topic any-other-beezneez? | 10:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "any-other-beezneez? (Meeting topic: training-labs)" | 10:59 | |
| julenl | ouf course! :) | 10:59 |
| dguitarbite | julenl: :D | 11:00 |
| julenl | about that bug on OSX | 11:00 |
| julenl | I just tried the latest version and it worked fine for me | 11:00 |
| dguitarbite | what is the bug? | 11:00 |
| dguitarbite | Or I did not read the email's yet | 11:01 |
| * dguitarbite is busier than he knows | 11:01 | |
| julenl | #link: https://bugs.launchpad.net/labs/+bug/1471753 | 11:01 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1471753 in openstack-training-labs "Lab provisioning failed on OS X" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 11:01 |
| rluethi | I edited our bugs and I will close them if we don't get confirmation that they are still relevant. | 11:01 |
| julenl | good | 11:02 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: Alright, lets wait for a couple of days may be a week or so. We dont have to close the bug immediately. We dont have to confirm the bug :). | 11:02 |
| rluethi | also, we have a few patches waiting for review. | 11:03 |
| rluethi | there's also the zip file issue. | 11:03 |
| rluethi | and mitaka. | 11:03 |
| julenl | well... I kind of, unconfirmed it. It worked for me, but I am used OSX Mavericks | 11:03 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: The zip file issue will be fixed. I have to use gzip instead of zip | 11:03 |
| dguitarbite | Just need some free time and then Ill fix it :). | 11:03 |
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| dguitarbite | julenl: Yes, may be its a specific race for his environment. May be he is overloading his system or something. For me things work fine but I have a Skylake chip with MacBook 12 | 11:04 |
| rluethi | dguitarbite: That will not work. I added a comment to the review explaining that. | 11:04 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: I will review your patches soon. I am sorry. And also for the gzip patch I will update it. | 11:05 |
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| rluethi | dguitarbite: you cannot use gzip. doesn't work for that use case. | 11:05 |
| dguitarbite | THe problem is that I have to use find to feed the **correct** files | 11:05 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: I know :). | 11:05 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: Ill fix it. | 11:05 |
| rluethi | dguitarbite: how? | 11:05 |
| dguitarbite | using find to push the required files to gzip | 11:06 |
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| rluethi | dguitarbite: I don't see how this could possibly work. did you try it? | 11:07 |
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| dguitarbite | rluethi: Trying it out. Sorry for the vague replies, Ill update the patch and you can see it for yourself :) | 11:07 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: But I'm sure it will work. | 11:08 |
| rluethi | I am really curious now. | 11:08 |
| * dguitarbite Should have seen it coming | 11:08 | |
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| rluethi | I have the Mitaka port pretty much ready. | 11:08 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: Wow! That is awesome. I have to also do finish the release cycle thingy | 11:08 |
| rluethi | At least I can launch a VM. | 11:08 |
| julenl | Wow! :) | 11:08 |
| dguitarbite | #action dguitarbite fix zip file generation. | 11:08 |
| dguitarbite | #action dguitarbite Finish release model for training-labs | 11:09 |
| rluethi | I found a few bugs in the install-guide in the process. | 11:09 |
| dguitarbite | #action rluethi push mitaka patch soon | 11:09 |
| dguitarbite | #action dguitarbite finish work with training-labs landing page | 11:09 |
| rluethi | One is rather odd, I need to submit a bug and have it confirmed. | 11:09 |
| dguitarbite | julenl: So do you want to take up something? | 11:09 |
| julenl | if there's something I can do... sure | 11:09 |
| julenl | I am still trying to get that execution flow | 11:10 |
| dguitarbite | julenl: What ever interests you. So for now we could focus on Mitaka release and then start merging some nice features from BOMBSI | 11:10 |
| julenl | dguitarbite: ok... | 11:10 |
| dguitarbite | julenl: awesome. Lets sync up soon. | 11:11 |
| dguitarbite | ok, anything else? I really need to rush. | 11:11 |
| julenl | rluethi: ping me when you have something I can test | 11:11 |
| rluethi | julenl: will do. | 11:11 |
| dguitarbite | rluethi: please push the mitaka patch asap so we could all test it :) | 11:11 |
| julenl | ah! | 11:11 |
| julenl | one last little thing | 11:11 |
| dguitarbite | julenl: You could also start testing and reviewing all the patches on gerrit | 11:11 |
| dguitarbite | julenl: shoot | 11:12 |
| julenl | dguitarbite: yes... I still have to find out how to do that | 11:12 |
| dguitarbite | julenl: Ok, I can give you some pointers it should be easy :) | 11:12 |
| julenl | I was thinking of an idea for some sort of "rebranding" | 11:12 |
| dguitarbite | julenl: Yes, I'm agnostic to the names. As long as they make sense, I'm open to any suggestions. | 11:13 |
| julenl | osbash performs the installation mainly by executing the code remotely via ssh | 11:13 |
| julenl | no no... wait.. :P | 11:13 |
| * rluethi is waiting. | 11:14 | |
| julenl | so, maybe I could try to present BOMSI as a ISO based installer, while osbash would be more like a ssh and bash based configuration manager | 11:14 |
| julenl | what do you think? | 11:14 |
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| julenl | by they way, if someone wants to give it a try, I just tested on clean ubuntu and suse, and it worked... | 11:15 |
| dguitarbite | julenl: I would like the approach of this integration but I would be against creating ISO's may be the UI part and the bootable flashdrives :D | 11:15 |
| rluethi | "configuration manager" can mean a hundred things. | 11:15 |
| rluethi | by the way, on Windows we don't use ssh (because it's not there by default) | 11:16 |
| julenl | dguitarbite: sure | 11:16 |
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| julenl | rluethi: Hmm... you are right, I should think more about that | 11:17 |
| rluethi | There may be reasons to have an option for building ISOs, but we need to study the pros and cons. | 11:17 |
| dguitarbite | julenl: How about discussing this in more detail? So we are clear on what you mean by config. manager and more. Lets have a chat later on IRC and decide the meeting. | 11:17 |
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| julenl | dguitarbite: sure, let's do that | 11:17 |
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| dguitarbite | Awesome. So lets wrap up today. Ill shoot an email. | 11:18 |
| dguitarbite | Bye guys. | 11:18 |
| julenl | bye | 11:18 |
| rluethi | bye | 11:18 |
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| dguitarbite | #action dguitarbite review rluethi's patches. | 11:18 |
| dguitarbite | #endmeeting | 11:18 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 9 11:18:51 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 11:18 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_labs/2016/training_labs.2016-03-09-10.33.html | 11:18 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_labs/2016/training_labs.2016-03-09-10.33.txt | 11:18 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_labs/2016/training_labs.2016-03-09-10.33.log.html | 11:18 |
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| joehuang | hi | 13:00 |
| Yipei | hi, all | 13:00 |
| joehuang | hello, all | 13:00 |
| Khayam | hi | 13:00 |
| Yipei | hi Joe | 13:00 |
| joehuang | hi, Khayam, first to meet you here | 13:01 |
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| Khayam | Did you saw my reply on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/274006/ | 13:01 |
| joehuang | not yet | 13:01 |
| Khayam | I am a little confuse about writing test for exception. | 13:01 |
| joehuang | for I was attending OpenStack bugsmash these two days in Chengdu | 13:01 |
| joehuang | ok, please | 13:02 |
| BeanZhang | hi, all | 13:02 |
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| joehuang | Hi Bean | 13:02 |
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| BeanZhang | Hi, joe | 13:02 |
| joehuang | let's start the meeting | 13:02 |
| Khayam | I think a functional test for blank input already checks this | 13:02 |
| BeanZhang | ok | 13:02 |
| joehuang | #startmeeting tricircle | 13:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 9 13:02:41 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is joehuang. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:02 |
| Pengfei__ | Hi joe | 13:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tricircle' | 13:02 |
| joehuang | hi Pengfei | 13:02 |
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| joehuang | #topic rollcall | 13:02 |
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| joehuang | #info joehuang | 13:03 |
| Khayam | because funtion will automatically return a response incase of invalid input | 13:03 |
| Yipei | #info Yipei | 13:03 |
| Pengfei__ | #help | 13:03 |
| BeanZhang | #info Bean | 13:03 |
| Pengfei__ | #info Pengfei | 13:03 |
| liuhaixia | Hi, joe | 13:03 |
| liuhaixia | Hi, Pengfei | 13:03 |
| joehuang | hi Haixie | 13:03 |
| joehuang | sorry Haixia | 13:04 |
| joehuang | to Khayam, yes | 13:04 |
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| joehuang | as to exception test, just use a fake function to raise exception, and check to see if the caller can catch and print correct logging including stack trace | 13:05 |
| Khayam | ok | 13:07 |
| liuhaixia | I have a research on VTN, it can bridge multiple different vlans to a vBridge. Thus can realize vlan l2 networking accross openstacks. | 13:07 |
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| joehuang | great news, haixia | 13:07 |
| liuhaixia | But it seems to require hardware switch to support. | 13:07 |
| joehuang | :( | 13:07 |
| joehuang | no software solution? | 13:08 |
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| liuhaixia | software solution can be supported, but I really don't kown if it can support vxlan. | 13:08 |
| joehuang | to Khayam, what I am afraid is that some parameter in Log.exception has not been initialized when using in the log.Exception | 13:09 |
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| liuhaixia | I asked somebody, still cann't get futher information. | 13:09 |
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| joehuang | to Khayam, if some variable is used without initilization, a new excetion will be throw and exit | 13:10 |
| joehuang | You mean VTN can connect two VLAN to one L2 network | 13:11 |
| liuhaixia | I have another concern, even vtn support L2 bridging with software. We need to replace bottom agent with ODL. May some features will be lost. | 13:11 |
| liuhaixia | yes, | 13:11 |
| joehuang | but can't make sure these two VLAN will be bridged with VxLAN | 13:11 |
| liuhaixia | yes, joe. it's my concern. | 13:11 |
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| joehuang | this is a little bit too heavy | 13:12 |
| joehuang | Pengfei and Bean, do you have some new ideas about L2 networking across pods | 13:12 |
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| Khayam | thanks. let me know if anyone is interesterd in linuxcon tokyo from july 13 to 15 | 13:13 |
| BeanZhang | I have no idea for the moment | 13:14 |
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| joehuang | ok. we may discuss it tomorrow in #openstack-tricircle | 13:14 |
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| joehuang | L2GW has uploaded code for review | 13:14 |
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| Pengfei | we may need to familiar with neutron first. | 13:15 |
| joehuang | but not sure it support software L2GW or not currently | 13:15 |
| Pengfei | I have write a blog last week, and add it in the FAQ of wiki. | 13:15 |
| Pengfei | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Tricircle | 13:15 |
| joehuang | Great! | 13:15 |
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| BeanZhang | last week, i have installed the devstack and tricircle with virtualbox | 13:15 |
| BeanZhang | and review the code commited by Pengfei | 13:16 |
| BeanZhang | I have encountered a problem when i reboot the host with devstack. I run ./rejoin_stack.sh, but it didn’t work. | 13:16 |
| BeanZhang | Run ./unstack.sh and ./stack.sh, it echos Error: Service g-api is not running, Error: Service g-reg is not running, [ERROR] /home/stack/git/devstack/functions-common:1646 More details about the above errors can be found with screen, with ./rejoin-stack.sh | 13:16 |
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| BeanZhang | Maybe it’s the devstack’s issue or tricircle’s issue. Then i run ./unstack.sh, ./clean, rm -rf /opt/stack/*, reboot the host and ./stack.sh again. It works. | 13:16 |
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| liuhaixia | I have a idea.Maybe we can bridge vlan and vxlan with some softeware instance, like L2GW. But we need to have a little change to the bottom. | 13:16 |
| BeanZhang | Do you have any good method to deal with the problem when the devstack doesn’t work ? | 13:16 |
| BeanZhang | https://bugs.launchpad.net/magnum/+bug/1479475 | 13:17 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1479475 in Magnum "Document recovery steps if devstack host restart" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Vilobh Meshram (vilobhmm) | 13:17 |
| zhiyuan_ | pengfei: i found you add a link to paste.openstack.org, but that link is not permanent | 13:17 |
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| Pengfei | so what I need to do? | 13:17 |
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| BeanZhang | it will expire in 30 days | 13:17 |
| joehuang | to Haixia, what's change? it would be better to use un-touched bottom openstack, or some package could be installed from git repository | 13:18 |
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| zhiyuan_ | pengfei: maybe put the content directly in your blog? | 13:19 |
| Pengfei | ok~ thanks for your suggestion. | 13:19 |
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| liuhaixia | hi, joe, I know what you mean. | 13:20 |
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| liuhaixia | So we have to keep research on it. | 13:20 |
| BeanZhang | Any one has good suggestions? | 13:20 |
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| liuhaixia | Hi, pengfei, do you have any ideas on L2 networking accross openstack? | 13:21 |
| joehuang | I think we can start design the framework for different L2 networking cross pods | 13:21 |
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| joehuang | and first use shared VLAN for demonstration of the framework | 13:22 |
| Pengfei | no ideas...囧 | 13:22 |
| liuhaixia | hi, joe, you mean overlay and vlan, we can design differently? | 13:22 |
| zhiyuan_ | beanzhang: rejoin-stack.sh works well for me sometimes after host reboots, if problem occurs, you need to check the log to find out why... | 13:22 |
| liuhaixia | I know. | 13:22 |
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| joehuang | a frame work with different driver for different L2 netwoking solution | 13:22 |
| liuhaixia | yeah, for vlan, we can use this first. | 13:23 |
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| BeanZhang | ok | 13:24 |
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| BeanZhang | in https://github.com/openstack/tricircle/blob/master/devstack/local.conf.node_2.sample OVS_BRIDGE_MAPPINGS=bridge:br-bridge,externn:br-ext | 13:24 |
| joehuang | but the first driver is shared VLAN, than means, to create a network with same VLAN segment id in bottom pods | 13:24 |
| BeanZhang | The externn is misspelled? | 13:24 |
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| joehuang | hi Bean, please file a bug and fix it | 13:25 |
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| BeanZhang | OK | 13:25 |
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| zhiyuan_ | joe: so the hosts in the bottom pods need to be in the same network? I mean, connected to the same physical switch? | 13:27 |
| zhiyuan_ | for shared VLAN mode | 13:27 |
| liuhaixia | for the second driver is different vlan. We can keep searching for existing solutions for bottom. But if there's doesn't yet, what should we do? | 13:27 |
| joehuang | yes if the switch doen't support VxLAN gateway function | 13:28 |
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| Pengfei | How can we begin formally writing codes? Are there some tutorials about such as how to name the function and what python library to import for using? | 13:28 |
| joehuang | if hardware switches support VxLAN gateway function, like TOR as VTEP | 13:28 |
| joehuang | then we have to configure the TOR with 1:1 VLAN to VxLAN mapping | 13:29 |
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| joehuang | then no need for different pods must connect to same switch | 13:29 |
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| joehuang | one pod one switch, but switches are interconnected with VxLAN for VLAN segment | 13:30 |
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| joehuang | If not ,then pods must connect to same switch for the shared VLAN | 13:31 |
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| joehuang | is it clear? | 13:31 |
| zhiyuan_ | pengfei: you mean coding style? | 13:31 |
| Pengfei | yes | 13:31 |
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| zhiyuan_ | pengfei: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/hacking/ | 13:32 |
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| joehuang | the VLAN to VxLAN configuration in TOR or core switch should be configured mannually if we want deploy different pod connecting to different switch | 13:32 |
| liuhaixia | I know what you mean. But I have some other concerns. It's usually used with port hierachy binding. Vlan is 'local vlan', and maybe have some conflict to existing vxlan networks. | 13:33 |
| Pengfei | thanks a lot! | 13:33 |
| liuhaixia | as what I did in agile controller. | 13:33 |
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| joehuang | is there any open source agile controller version | 13:33 |
| liuhaixia | But maybe there's other methods can implement what you said. | 13:33 |
| liuhaixia | It's not open. | 13:34 |
| liuhaixia | Enterprise line's product. | 13:34 |
| joehuang | yes, shared VLAN can help us to do this | 13:34 |
| joehuang | no controller needed | 13:34 |
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| liuhaixia | joe, I will have a deep research on it. | 13:34 |
| joehuang | it should be shared VLAN segment id exactly | 13:35 |
| joehuang | ok, please | 13:35 |
| liuhaixia | if anybody interest on it , please contact me. | 13:35 |
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| joehuang | to pengfei, for coding style, you can use pep8 or flake8 to check your style | 13:36 |
| zhiyuan_ | simply run "tox -epep8" | 13:36 |
| liuhaixia | joe, xiaojie have some researches on L3 netwoking. shall we have a talk on it today? | 13:36 |
| joehuang | sudo tox -epep8 | 13:37 |
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| joehuang | to Haixia, please | 13:37 |
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| joehuang | to Yipei, how about you | 13:38 |
| Pengfei | thanks to joe and zhiyuan, I will read about it | 13:38 |
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| joehuang | if you use pycharm, wrong coding style could be promopted instantly | 13:39 |
| Yipei | I have some finding when fixing the bug of devstack of installation on two nodes. | 13:39 |
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| Yipei | Simply setting OS_REGION_NAME as RegionOne on node2 does not work on my vm | 13:39 |
| joehuang | ok, can it work now | 13:39 |
| Yipei | yes | 13:39 |
| liuhaixia | joe, xiaojie have some problems with wireless. I will doi. | 13:39 |
| joehuang | to Haixia, ok | 13:40 |
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| liuhaixia | Thirst one, there's a bug fix for router, to suport vxlan to other routers. | 13:40 |
| Yipei | the two nodes share one keystone | 13:40 |
| Yipei | #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/489778/ | 13:40 |
| liuhaixia | by add flooding vtep list or by multicast to suport this. | 13:41 |
| joehuang | to Haixia, I noticed it | 13:41 |
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| liuhaixia | yeah, but i think some limits. | 13:41 |
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| Yipei | When create_XXXX_accounts, it is required to go for keystone in RegionOne to verify whether the orperation is legal. Because node1 and node2 share the same keystone service. | 13:41 |
| Yipei | is it correct? | 13:41 |
| joehuang | but it's freezed in Mitaka, and can't support DVR currently | 13:41 |
| liuhaixia | if pods num is large, flooding list will be increaing. | 13:42 |
| liuhaixia | yeah, I konw. | 13:42 |
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| liuhaixia | even it supports DVR, i really don't think flooding is a good method. | 13:42 |
| joehuang | They assume only one | 13:42 |
| liuhaixia | yeah~ | 13:43 |
| joehuang | to Yipei, I am afraid you installed two independent regions with shared KeyStone, but no Tricircle insatlled | 13:43 |
| Yipei | yes | 13:43 |
| Yipei | i install devstack on two nodes with tricircle | 13:44 |
| Yipei | but when booting vm, i encounter some problems | 13:44 |
| joehuang | to Yipei, could follow Pengfei's blog? He has installed two nodes and L3 networking successfully | 13:44 |
| Yipei | yes, i read it | 13:44 |
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| joehuang | Hi, all I think we have a lot to discuss, as more and more items are doing | 13:46 |
| Yipei | but simply setting OS_REGION_NAME as RegionOne on node2 does not work on my vm | 13:46 |
| liuhaixia | Second one, with port hierachy binding, vlan and vxlan mapping is 1:1, if router use shared vlan and it's mapped to vxlan. So tenants cann't be isolated for the same vxlan. | 13:46 |
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| liuhaixia | but if router or tenants used diffent vlan, 4096 is the limit. | 13:46 |
| Yipei | I need to switch the OS_REGION_NAME to RegionTwo when necessary, during installing devstack on node2. | 13:46 |
| Yipei | when uploading image to glance, we need to set the OS_REGION_NAME as RegionTwo, since node2 has its own glance service. | 13:46 |
| joehuang | to Yipei, use shared Glance now | 13:47 |
| joehuang | no need 1:1 for hierarchy port binding | 13:48 |
| Yipei | but i need to it will have some problems when executing upload_image | 13:48 |
| zhiyuan_ | i think glance services are disabled in node2 from the config sample | 13:48 |
| joehuang | ok, let's move the talk to #openstack-tricircle tomorrow | 13:48 |
| Yipei | ok | 13:48 |
| joehuang | the time is limited | 13:48 |
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| joehuang | to Haixia, we can discuss your concerns tomorrow in #openstack-tricircle | 13:49 |
| liuhaixia | ok. | 13:49 |
| liuhaixia | it also on 1:00 pm UTC? | 13:49 |
| joehuang | We need to keep online in #openstack-tricircle, so that more frequently communication | 13:49 |
| joehuang | no time limitation if we are online | 13:50 |
| BeanZhang | Yipei, github tricircle Cross-pod L3 networking with DevStack, from my perspective, there is no RegionTwo | 13:50 |
| liuhaixia | oh, I know. | 13:50 |
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| BeanZhang | Just RegionOne, Pod1, Pod2 | 13:50 |
| Yipei | i know, pod2 i mean | 13:50 |
| joehuang | to Bean, agree +1 | 13:50 |
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| Yipei | RegionTwo->pod2 | 13:51 |
| Pengfei | to Bean, agree +1 | 13:51 |
| joehuang | ok, let's conclude the meeting and continue discssion in #openstack-tricircle | 13:51 |
| BeanZhang | ok | 13:51 |
| joehuang | see you | 13:51 |
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| joehuang | #endmeeting | 13:51 |
| zhiyuan_ | bye | 13:51 |
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| Yipei | see you | 13:51 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 9 13:51:46 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-03-09-13.02.html | 13:51 |
| BeanZhang | see you~ | 13:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-03-09-13.02.txt | 13:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-03-09-13.02.log.html | 13:51 |
| Pengfei | bye~ see you | 13:51 |
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| SotK | Anyone here for the storyboard meeting? | 14:59 |
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| Zara | I AM | 15:00 |
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| Zara | ALWAYS | 15:00 |
| Zara | RAIN OR SHINE | 15:00 |
| SotK | #startmeeting storyboard | 15:00 |
| Zara | NIGHT OR DAY | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 9 15:00:22 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SotK. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 15:00 |
| SotK | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StoryBoard Agenda | 15:00 |
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| SotK | I don't know of any announcements or urgent items, so unless there is dissent we'll go straight to in progress work! | 15:01 |
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| Zara | fine by me | 15:01 |
| SotK | #topic In Progress Work | 15:02 |
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| betherly | o/ | 15:02 |
| SotK | #info SotK is working on "automatic worklists" | 15:02 |
| SotK | hey betherly | 15:02 |
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| SotK | automatic worklists are going pretty well, they're working now | 15:02 |
| Zara | hi betherly! glad you could make it! :) | 15:02 |
| Zara | yayyyyyyy | 15:02 |
| Zara | I'm so happy automatic worklists are working at last! | 15:03 |
| SotK | just working on getting the UI sort of presentable | 15:03 |
| Zara | they've been a far-off dream for so long | 15:03 |
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| SotK | then I'll write a UI that allows lanes in boards to be automatically populated | 15:03 |
| SotK | (but they won't be reorderable) | 15:03 |
| Zara | okay, are you going to send the first bit to gerrit in between? | 15:03 |
| SotK | yes | 15:03 |
| Zara | cool | 15:03 |
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| Zara | and yeah, agree, if people wanna reorder auto lanes, deal with it when it comes | 15:03 |
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| Zara | can I get an eta on anything? | 15:05 |
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| SotK | auto worklists patches - this evening or maybe tomorrow if I get too hungry | 15:06 |
| SotK | boards - hopefully by the end of the week, maybe early next week (not expecting this to be too difficult) | 15:06 |
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| Zara | I laughed out loud at 'if I get too hungry' | 15:06 |
| Zara | I'm adding 2 weeks to your boards estimate | 15:06 |
| Zara | :P | 15:07 |
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| Zara | I'm excited, anyway! | 15:07 |
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| * SotK too | 15:09 | |
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| * SotK wonders what else is in progress | 15:10 | |
| Zara | (don't wear yourself out; aiui you're working late on thurs anyway) | 15:10 |
| Zara | er, well, according to agenda, I'm working on serach | 15:10 |
| Zara | *search | 15:10 |
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| Zara | but in practice, that's been parked this week while I've been reviewing | 15:10 |
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| Zara | and also because much of the automatic worklists work overlaps with search/filter | 15:11 |
| Zara | I did rework https://review.openstack.org/#/c/279204/ | 15:11 |
| Zara | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/279204/ | 15:11 |
| Zara | so that now removes the button except on mobiles | 15:11 |
| Zara | where it moves to the top right, and hopefully the formatting is neat this time | 15:12 |
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| Zara | #info Zara reworked a tiny search patch | 15:12 |
| * SotK will test it when he's made things automatic | 15:12 | |
| Zara | :D | 15:12 |
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| Zara | yeah, that's my other reason for not getting too into it; if I upload wip stuff, nobody's free to review in detail | 15:13 |
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| Zara | other things... | 15:13 |
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| Zara | I've started looking at task-metadata again, because UI for task-links wasn't loved | 15:13 |
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| Zara | as it required removing 'priority' button | 15:14 |
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| Zara | and also doesn't really use everything to its full potential | 15:14 |
| Zara | by which I mean, task 'links' are the same in the back end as story descriptions | 15:14 |
| Zara | meaning you could also use them to comment directly on tasks, paste multiple links, etc | 15:14 |
| Zara | so now I'd rather do it as a button that opens a modal, even though I'd rather get to a link with 1 click than two | 15:15 |
| Zara | if it gets really irritating, we'll separate it out somehow, I guess | 15:15 |
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| Zara | #info Zara has been working on a modal for task metadata in the story view | 15:15 |
| Zara | let me know if you're blocked and I may pester you if I'm stuck; I don't want to hold anything up on the automatic boards/worklists side | 15:16 |
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| Zara | so far I have a modal that can't show anything, a really weird button to link to it, and a close button that doesn't work | 15:17 |
| Zara | ~just another wednesday~ | 15:17 |
| SotK | better than nothing at all :D | 15:17 |
| Zara | hahaha, easy to say when you haven't seen it! :D | 15:17 |
| Zara | but yeah, it should be cool once it works | 15:18 |
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| Zara | I think I'll have to rewrite the back end patches so that they refer to 'metadata' instead of 'links' | 15:18 |
| Zara | not sure whether I should call everything links first, then rewrite, or make things inconsistent, then rewrite | 15:18 |
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| * SotK would probably go for the second option | 15:19 | |
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| Zara | okay | 15:19 |
| Zara | figured I might as well ask now | 15:19 |
| Zara | alternative is to just change all the backend patches first | 15:19 |
| Zara | but | 15:19 |
| Zara | that is procrastinating | 15:20 |
| Zara | so yeah, sorry, been distracted by meetings and bad network this week, not done as much developing as I'd like | 15:20 |
| Zara | END OF LONG SUMMARY | 15:20 |
| Zara | that's me done | 15:20 |
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| SotK | any other in progress stuff? | 15:21 |
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| Zara | er, your comments stuff | 15:21 |
| Zara | I guess | 15:21 |
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| SotK | oh yeah | 15:21 |
| SotK | I made a quote button which is merged | 15:22 |
| SotK | I made a permalink button that doesn't work | 15:22 |
| SotK | I'll try to make it work at some point | 15:22 |
| SotK | I made a patch to support threading in the backend | 15:22 |
| Zara | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/288997/ | 15:22 |
| SotK | supporting it in the frontend will be more complex though | 15:22 |
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| Zara | hah, still, nice to merge it so we don't have to dig it up later | 15:23 |
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| SotK | indeed | 15:23 |
| Zara | if anyone wants to take a glance at that | 15:23 |
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| SotK | I also sent a patch to allow worklists and boards to be browsed by story and/or task id | 15:23 |
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| Zara | oh yeah, merge conflict currently | 15:24 |
| Zara | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/288910/ | 15:24 |
| SotK | which makes it possible to show a list of boards/worklists containing a story on the story detail view | 15:24 |
| * persia is very excited about that one | 15:24 | |
| SotK | (same for tasks) | 15:24 |
| Zara | does anyone know what the conflict is? | 15:25 |
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| Zara | I am interested but haven't looked at it yet because of the conflict. | 15:25 |
| SotK | yeah, we merged the archive cards thing | 15:25 |
| SotK | so the patch doesn't apply cleanly | 15:25 |
| SotK | I'll fix it up when I get home | 15:25 |
| Zara | okay, please try not to die under a mountain of work | 15:26 |
| * SotK does his best | 15:26 | |
| Zara | if there's stuff I can help with, shout | 15:26 |
| Zara | and I will run away-- I mean, I'll see what I can do | 15:26 |
| SotK | :D | 15:27 |
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| SotK | Anything else? | 15:27 |
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| Zara | nothing here | 15:28 |
| Zara | betherly? | 15:28 |
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| betherly | looking into d3 and angular graphs and experimenting but nothing solid to push yet :) | 15:29 |
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| SotK | sounds promising :) | 15:30 |
| Zara | sounds exciting :) feel free to share weird WIP stuff or whatever (though I don't know how easy that is to do) | 15:30 |
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| * SotK guesses we can safely move on now | 15:32 | |
| betherly | :) | 15:32 |
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| SotK | #topic Infra Email Config | 15:33 |
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| SotK | It seems one of the patches was -1'd pending documentation | 15:33 |
| Zara | yeah, I left it in there because it's still waiting, don't have much to add | 15:33 |
| Zara | yeah | 15:33 |
| Zara | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/270331/ | 15:33 |
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| SotK | if there's nothing to add, then we'll carry on :) | 15:34 |
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| Zara | well, I was gonna say that, given that infra are so overloaded that it takes a month to update the patches as-they-are, I think we should assume we won't be surprised with comprehensive docs soon. | 15:35 |
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| * SotK also assumes that | 15:35 | |
| anteaya | who are you waiting for for docs? | 15:35 |
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| anteaya | are you waiting for someone to write docs or review a docs patch? | 15:35 |
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| Zara | anteaya: jeblair was asked to document the structure used in one of the patches he's written so far | 15:36 |
| Zara | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/270331/ | 15:36 |
| Zara | that one | 15:36 |
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| anteaya | did he agree to document the structure? | 15:37 |
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| Zara | no, there's been no update agreeing or disagreeing as far as I know | 15:37 |
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| Zara | so I don't know that the -1 has stopped anyone from merging the patch as-is, but nobody had merged it before that | 15:38 |
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| Zara | oh, sorry, I linked the wrong one | 15:38 |
| Zara | hang on | 15:38 |
| anteaya | so on 331 I suggest fixing the error and submitting a new patch | 15:39 |
| Zara | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/270329/ | 15:39 |
| anteaya | it has been several weeks | 15:39 |
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| jeblair | oh, ha | 15:39 |
| jeblair | i'm not going to document that | 15:39 |
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| jeblair | http://www.exim.org/exim-html-current/doc/html/spec_html/index.html | 15:40 |
| anteaya | there's jeblair | 15:40 |
| jeblair | exim has a manual | 15:40 |
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| jeblair | i'm not sure why i would rewrite it | 15:40 |
| Zara | hi! :) ha, thanks for clarifying that. | 15:40 |
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| anteaya | jeblair: can you add a comment to 270329 stating that for nibalizer's benefit? | 15:40 |
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| jeblair | i did | 15:40 |
| anteaya | wonderful thank yoi | 15:40 |
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| SotK | thanks jeblair | 15:41 |
| anteaya | sorry I was slow | 15:41 |
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| Zara | yes, thank you for that. :) appreciate you going out of your way to help like this, fwiw. | 15:41 |
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| anteaya | so maybe someone can bring that comment to nibalizer's attention and perhaps he can re-review | 15:42 |
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| nibalizer | im about | 15:43 |
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| Zara | phew, I was about to mention it in #infra but didn't want to spam if you got gerrit notifications! :) | 15:43 |
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| Zara | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/270329/ | 15:44 |
| Zara | has just been updated in reference to -1 | 15:44 |
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| Zara | thanks, everyone :) | 15:45 |
| anteaya | mordred just approved it | 15:45 |
| anteaya | thanks mordred | 15:45 |
| SotK | thanks folks :) | 15:46 |
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| SotK | #topic Public Test Instance | 15:46 |
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| SotK | so, I resurrected the frankenstoryboard at http://storyboard.sotk.co.uk/ | 15:47 |
| * SotK has no idea what branches that is running, since I did it about 5 minutes before the meeting | 15:47 | |
| * Zara peers at SotK | 15:48 | |
| SotK | we probably need a better long-term solution I'd guess | 15:48 |
| anteaya | oh this is the storyboard used to have a test instance under infra and doesn't anymore, right? | 15:48 |
| SotK | I don't know if it ever actually had a test instance under infra | 15:48 |
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| Zara | yeah, this one was never under infra, at least | 15:48 |
| anteaya | was there never a storyboard-dev? | 15:49 |
| Zara | I don't know. | 15:49 |
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| anteaya | I had thought we had a conversation and I thought I recall you saying so | 15:49 |
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| SotK | I think there was plans for one, but there was never one that I saw | 15:49 |
| anteaya | doesn't matter | 15:49 |
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| anteaya | I don't know as there are plans | 15:49 |
| anteaya | but I think there should be plans | 15:49 |
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| Zara | yeah, I would have been referring to this if I talked about a public dev instance, but it's not the same as a storyboard-dev under infra, so sorry if I caused any confusion there | 15:49 |
| * SotK thinks so too | 15:49 | |
| anteaya | to that end, how do folks feel if someone creates a spec for a storyboard-dev server | 15:49 |
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| anteaya | and offers that up to infra | 15:50 |
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| anteaya | Zara: I probably mis-remembered | 15:50 |
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| Zara | :) there's a chance there's already a spec somewhere, if it's something that needs a spec. There is a story for it somewhere... | 15:51 |
| anteaya | did I take this topic in a direction other than what folks intended? | 15:51 |
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| Zara | I'm not sure either of us will get on to writing a spec unless we already have a clear idea of what should be in it, which might be going in a circle? | 15:52 |
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| anteaya | mostly I'm saying I don't think infra knows storyboard wants a dev instance, so a spec is a good way to communicate that | 15:52 |
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| anteaya | Zara: can you start an etherpad with a spec draft and I can help fill it out? | 15:52 |
| anteaya | you or SotK | 15:53 |
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| Zara | anteaya: yes, we can, though we might not be able to put much thought in until next week | 15:53 |
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| Zara | so a very drafty draft, yes | 15:53 |
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| anteaya | next week is fine | 15:53 |
| anteaya | drafty drafts are fine | 15:53 |
| anteaya | I just think it is a way forward for infra to know you want this | 15:54 |
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| anteaya | if indeed you do want this | 15:54 |
| anteaya | sorry if I'm putting words in your mouth | 15:54 |
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| * SotK believes we do want this | 15:54 | |
| anteaya | oh good | 15:54 |
| SotK | I want this anyway xD | 15:54 |
| anteaya | cool | 15:54 |
| anteaya | so whatever works for you | 15:54 |
| anteaya | and pull me in so I can do the things I said I will do | 15:55 |
| Zara | okay. :) I do want this, I just also can't promise I'll have time to do this and things I've already committed to. | 15:55 |
| anteaya | fair enough | 15:55 |
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| Zara | until next week, but if that's fine then that's fine! :D | 15:55 |
| Zara | 5 minutes left btw | 15:55 |
| anteaya | SotK: do you think we will get to open discussion? I have an item for open discussion | 15:56 |
| anteaya | Zara: that's fine | 15:56 |
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| SotK | if we're done on this topic, then yes, briefly :) | 15:56 |
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| SotK | I think we've reached consensus now anyway | 15:56 |
| SotK | #topic Open Discussion | 15:57 |
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| anteaya | o/ | 15:57 |
| SotK | go ahead anteaya | 15:57 |
| anteaya | thanks | 15:57 |
| anteaya | who is going to be attending summit in Austin? | 15:57 |
| * anteaya looks at Zara and SotK | 15:57 | |
| anteaya | :) | 15:57 |
| Zara | this we do not know yet, should know by the end of the week | 15:57 |
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| Zara | we've been lax in organising things | 15:57 |
| anteaya | keep me posted please | 15:57 |
| Zara | okay | 15:58 |
| anteaya | you have your summit passes, yes? | 15:58 |
| Zara | I do | 15:58 |
| SotK | I also do | 15:58 |
| anteaya | good | 15:58 |
| anteaya | then it is just a matter of flights and hotels | 15:58 |
| Zara | yup | 15:58 |
| anteaya | great, so when you know let me know | 15:58 |
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| SotK | will do :) | 15:58 |
| yuriy_n17 | Hi | 15:58 |
| anteaya | I'm looking forward to seeing you both, if possible | 15:58 |
| anteaya | thanks | 15:58 |
| anteaya | that's all I had | 15:58 |
| Zara | yw, looking forward to seeing you, too! :) | 15:59 |
| anteaya | :) | 15:59 |
| SotK | +1 | 15:59 |
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| Zara | 1 minute left... if there's anything else, I guess -> #storyboard | 15:59 |
| * SotK agrees | 15:59 | |
| SotK | thanks for your time everyone :) | 15:59 |
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| SotK | #endmeeting | 15:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:59 | |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 9 15:59:47 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2016/storyboard.2016-03-09-15.00.html | 15:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2016/storyboard.2016-03-09-15.00.txt | 15:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2016/storyboard.2016-03-09-15.00.log.html | 15:59 |
| smcginnis | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 9 16:00:09 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| diablo_rojo | Hello :) | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | Hey everyone | 16:00 |
| jseiler | hi | 16:00 |
| kmartin | hi | 16:00 |
| jgregor | Hello! | 16:00 |
| baumann | Hello! | 16:00 |
| cfouts | hi | 16:00 |
| geguileo | Hi | 16:00 |
| mc_nair | hey | 16:00 |
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| scottda | hi | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | Courtesy ping: dulek duncant eharney geguileo winston-d e0ne jungleboyj jgriffith thingee smcginnis hemna xyang tbarron scottda erlon rhedlind jbernard vincent_hou kmartin patrickeast sheel dongwenjuan JaniceLee cFouts Thelo vivekd adrianofr mtanino yuriy_n17 | 16:00 |
| tbarron | hi | 16:00 |
| xyang1 | hi | 16:00 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:00 |
| eharney | hi | 16:00 |
| mtanino | hi | 16:00 |
| gouthamr | hello o/ | 16:00 |
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| patrickeast | Hey | 16:01 |
| dulek | o/ | 16:01 |
| kprabhu | Hi All, My name is Karthik and I joined the Cinder team last week. | 16:01 |
| thingee | o/ | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | #topic Announcements | 16:01 |
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| smcginnis | kprabhu: Welcome! | 16:01 |
| thingee | welcome kprabhu ! | 16:01 |
| yuriy_n17 | hi | 16:01 |
| scottda | kprabhu: welcome | 16:01 |
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| fernnest | hi | 16:01 |
| e0ne | kprabhu: welcome! | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | M-3 was cut last week. | 16:01 |
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| smcginnis | We are quickly running up to RC-1. | 16:01 |
| ntpttr | hi | 16:02 |
| Poornima | Hello everyone | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | #link http://releases.openstack.org/mitaka/schedule.html Release Schedule | 16:02 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: do we have any blockers for RC1? | 16:02 |
| geguileo | kprabhu: Welcom | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: Not that I have identified yet. | 16:02 |
| e0ne | it's good:) | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | There are a lot of good bug fixes out there. | 16:02 |
| Swanson | hi | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | But so far nothing has popped up as super critical that I would consider a blocker. | 16:03 |
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| smcginnis | But feel free to bring any to my attention if anyone knows of one. | 16:03 |
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| smcginnis | So just a reminder that our focus at this point should be testing and bug fixes. | 16:03 |
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| smcginnis | On that note.. | 16:03 |
| jgriffith | LOL | 16:03 |
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| smcginnis | there's the bug smash going on right now. | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | You might see some new folks submitting patches. | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | Please help with reviews if you can. | 16:04 |
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| vincent_hou | OK | 16:04 |
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| smcginnis | We have a few outstanding replication v2.1 patches in the works. | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | Reminder that those are being treated as bug fixes. | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | So I definitely don't want someone that implemented v2 to be left out with 2.1 | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | But if they aren't updated before RC, we will need to disable v2 implementations. | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | And fix your cloning if you need to. :P | 16:06 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: I'm hoping to write mine today | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: Oh good! I thought you were going to wait. | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: That will be good to have broad support. | 16:06 |
| xyang1 | smcginnis: is there a bug opened for cloning | 16:07 |
| jgriffith | Yeah, we landed a good number of them :) | 16:07 |
| diablo_rojo | Who all has reviews out there that need to be looked at? | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | xyang1: I opened ~25 bugs yesterday. | 16:07 |
| xyang1 | smcginnis: ok:) | 16:07 |
| dulek | Just small reminder on RPC version bump patches. I think we're planning to merge them just before RC-1. | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | dulek: Yes! Thanks! | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | Reminder of the review inbox at the bottom of the wiki: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Cinder | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | There's a section in there for bug fixes that should get attention. | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: You still around? | 16:08 |
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| smcginnis | Looks like no. | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | On the agenda DuncanT has a topic on volumes in error taking up quota. | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | We'll cover that next week. | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | #topic Functional tests job for Cinder | 16:09 |
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| smcginnis | e0ne: Hey | 16:09 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:09 |
| e0ne | we introduce functional tests some time ago | 16:10 |
| e0ne | #link https://review.openstack.org//267801/ | 16:10 |
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| e0ne | let's run them against every patch | 16:10 |
| e0ne | #link https://review.openstack.org/287115/ | 16:10 |
| e0ne | I think we're OK to make new job votig, because they were a part of unit tests in the past | 16:11 |
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| smcginnis | e0ne: So the second link there is to add the job. | 16:11 |
| eharney | please start it as non-voting for at least a few days first | 16:11 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: yes | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | If anyone has any comments on that, please take a look and comment there. | 16:12 |
| e0ne | eharney: why? | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | eharney: +1 especially at this stage of the release | 16:12 |
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| jgriffith | we don't want to be the ones that "break the world" :) | 16:12 |
| eharney | e0ne: because it's a new test environment and something is bound to go wrong, and we're right at the end of a cycle | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: Good point ^ | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | It _should_ be safe, but at this point in the cycle we need to be extra careful. | 16:12 |
| geguileo | eharney: +1 | 16:12 |
| sheel | eharney: +1 | 16:12 |
| e0ne | eharney, jgriffith, smcginnis: ok, sounds reasonable | 16:12 |
| e0ne | I'll update the patch | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: Then we can switch it over to voting once we switch over to Newton. | 16:13 |
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| smcginnis | #topic Functional tests job for python-brick-cinderclient-ext | 16:13 |
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| smcginnis | e0ne: I'm assuming this is along the same lines? | 16:13 |
| e0ne | yes | 16:14 |
| e0ne | do we want to make it non-voting too? | 16:14 |
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| smcginnis | e0ne: I think we are safer with that one. | 16:14 |
| e0ne | :) | 16:14 |
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| smcginnis | Since it's a client library extension, we've already cut final client libs. | 16:14 |
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| smcginnis | So anything now just impacts Newton. | 16:14 |
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| smcginnis | So I'm fine with that one going voting right away. | 16:15 |
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| e0ne | great! | 16:15 |
| hemna | mornin | 16:15 |
| e0ne | hemna: hi | 16:15 |
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| smcginnis | e0ne: Great, anything else on these topics? | 16:15 |
| e0ne | so, please, review https://review.openstack.org/265811 (Introduce functional tests for python-brick-cinderclient-ext) | 16:15 |
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| smcginnis | +1 | 16:15 |
| e0ne | no, I'm done | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: Thanks! | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | #topic Open Discussion | 16:16 |
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| smcginnis | Small agenda today. | 16:16 |
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| smcginnis | But I'm sure we can find something to rat hole on. ;) | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | Anyone have anything? | 16:16 |
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| smcginnis | Wow, short meeting. | 16:17 |
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| hemna | did you mention the create_cloned_volume thingy? | 16:17 |
| e0ne | what about design session proposals? | 16:17 |
| hemna | that we found yesterday? | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | hemna: I mentioned it. I didn't go into it though. ;) | 16:17 |
| hemna | ok | 16:17 |
| Swanson | hemna, my patch is in. Go review it. | 16:17 |
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| hemna | Swanson, will do | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | But I should maybe say a little more... | 16:17 |
| Swanson | hemna, That worked! | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | I submitted bugs. | 16:17 |
| Swanson | hemna, thanks! | 16:18 |
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| hemna | np :) | 16:18 |
| sheel | smcginnis: are these bugs are on high priority for mitaka? | 16:18 |
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| smcginnis | But if you did not see then, please make sure if you have a volume driver that it handles a different size than the source. | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | sheel: They would be very nice to get fixed. | 16:18 |
| eharney | so i recall this detail being discussed at one point | 16:18 |
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| smcginnis | But since it appears a lot of these have been like this from the beginning | 16:18 |
| eharney | was there not a method where we do this by calling extend after the clone? | 16:19 |
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| smcginnis | I don't think they are blockers or anything. | 16:19 |
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| sheel | smcginnis: ok | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | eharney: That's always a possiblity. | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | eharney: And I won't say more on that. | 16:19 |
| eharney | just for the sake of argument, if that existed, you wouldn't have to fix 20 drivers... | 16:19 |
| * smcginnis bites his tongue | 16:19 | |
| eharney | but i'm not sure why we didn't do that | 16:19 |
| hemna | eharney, we discussed this in channel yesterday | 16:19 |
| Swanson | eharney, because madness. | 16:20 |
| Poornima | since I am new to cinder anyone has small or low hanging fruits | 16:20 |
| eharney | ok? | 16:20 |
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| sheel | eharney: +1, we should find common way if possible... | 16:20 |
| hemna | eharney, but basically the driver api is the same as create_volume | 16:20 |
| hemna | drivers are supposed to look into the volume object to ensure the size is used. | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | eharney: some drivers can't extend IIRC | 16:20 |
| hemna | and the reference driver shows what folks can/supposed to do. | 16:21 |
| hemna | jgriffith, in fact, I'm not sure our drivers can :( we are trying workarounds. | 16:21 |
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| eharney | ok | 16:21 |
| sheel | reference driver means LVM? | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | eharney: which was why it was in the driver and not a manager add on. Not saying that's right, just saying that's what i think they did | 16:21 |
| hemna | sheel, yah | 16:21 |
| sheel | ok | 16:21 |
| sheel | thanks | 16:21 |
| eharney | makes sense | 16:21 |
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| jgriffith | hemna: we can deprecate the feature too? | 16:22 |
| eharney | any chances of covering this with a tempest test at some point? | 16:22 |
| hemna | I'd like too :) | 16:22 |
| hemna | so for argument's sake | 16:22 |
| Poornima | smcginnis, how about including this test https://review.openstack.org/#/c/235752/ in tempest plugin | 16:22 |
| hemna | say we can't make it work in one of our drivers | 16:22 |
| hemna | I think we are going to be forced to raise in the function | 16:22 |
| * jgriffith has always found it kinda weird to do implicitly on clone anyway. But we still have the extend API call, so that's another can'o worms | 16:22 | |
| hemna | otherwise the volume object in the DB thinks the volume is the wrong size. | 16:23 |
| eharney | hemna: i think you'd have to, not much else you can do | 16:23 |
| hemna | eharney, yah :( | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | hemna: so I think this is somewhat easy to half fix | 16:23 |
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| smcginnis | If we can make the interface more explicit | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | hemna: just return success info for extend, if manager doesn't get that, return back to original size | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | we did exactly that at one point I thought | 16:24 |
| smcginnis | the drivers that can optimize by starting with the larger size can handle it in one call | 16:24 |
| Swanson | extend has to be getting used now as 75% of the drivers didn't do it in the clone. So raising is probably peachy. | 16:24 |
| smcginnis | and the ones that can't can be extended after the fact. | 16:24 |
| hemna | jgriffith, meaning a model update for the old size ? | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | hemna: yes | 16:24 |
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| hemna | ok | 16:24 |
| hemna | we can log a warning and model update I suppose | 16:24 |
| hemna | extend might work later on for that same volume | 16:24 |
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| jgriffith | hemna: not saying it's the best answer, I would need to look at it again. But I think we can certainly make it at least report correctly | 16:25 |
| hemna | ok | 16:25 |
| hemna | that would be better than putting the volume in error state | 16:25 |
| hemna | I Think.... | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | hemna: I'll take a look after I eat some Cheesecake | 16:25 |
| smcginnis | :) | 16:25 |
| hemna | :) | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | hemna: one other thing to consider... since we now have a handle to get capabilities | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | hemna: we could check extend-on-clone and immediately return error if one tries clone with extend | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | I honestly like that better.... just don't send the call or introduce any guess work | 16:26 |
| hemna | yah | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | and rather than fix all the drivers that don't implement it, just add the capability to the drivers that do support it | 16:27 |
| hemna | I think that'd be fine | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: eharney thoughts ^ | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | That's a lot cleaner to me. | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | I like | 16:27 |
| e0ne | +1 | 16:27 |
| jgriffith | ok, I'll volunteer to work on that | 16:27 |
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| eharney | sounds good | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: Thanks! | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | Anything else? Or should we free up the channel and get back to it? | 16:28 |
| eharney | i would like to see if we can get a tempest test to cover some of this | 16:28 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: That does sound cleaner. | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: it'll be my shot of espresso after my cheesecake | 16:28 |
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| smcginnis | eharney: Yes. We obviously don't test that well right now. | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | Hah! Love it. | 16:28 |
| jgriffith | eharney: +1 | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | Alright. I think we can get back to work. Thanks everyone! | 16:29 |
| * jungleboyj needs an espresso | 16:29 | |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Thanks! | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | #endmeeting | 16:29 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 9 16:29:44 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:29 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-03-09-16.00.html | 16:29 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-03-09-16.00.txt | 16:29 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-03-09-16.00.log.html | 16:29 |
| geguileo | Thanks! | 16:29 |
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| jlvillal | #startmeeting ironic_qa | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 9 17:00:02 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jlvillal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic_qa)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic_qa' | 17:00 |
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| jlvillal | Hello everyone. | 17:00 |
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| jlvillal | As always the agenda is at: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic-QA | 17:00 |
| [1]cdearborn | o/ | 17:00 |
| jlvillal | #topic Announcements | 17:00 |
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| jlvillal | I don't have any announcements. Does anyone else have anything? | 17:01 |
| sambetts | o/ | 17:01 |
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| mgould | o/ | 17:01 |
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| jlvillal | UK in the house :) | 17:01 |
| jlvillal | Okay, moving on ... | 17:02 |
| jlvillal | #topic Grenade testing of Ironic | 17:02 |
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| jlvillal | #info Work continues. Currently at stage where we see failures in booting the bare-metal node. | 17:03 |
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| jlvillal | So mgould and I have both seen in the bare-metal node where it fails to network boot. | 17:03 |
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| mjturek1 | \o | 17:04 |
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| jlvillal | #info Patch submitted in master to fix regression in stable/liberty. Once lands in master, will propose backport to stable/liberty: https://review.openstack.org/279270 | 17:04 |
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| jlvillal | #info Patch submitted to place bare-metal log files into the log directory for /opt/stack/old/ logfiles. https://review.openstack.org/290171 | 17:05 |
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| jlvillal | So work continues, but slowly. Each run takes about 30-60 minutes depending on the system it runs on. | 17:05 |
| jlvillal | I don't have anything else to add. Any questions or comments? | 17:06 |
| * mgould has nothing to add - mostly been working on other things for the last few days | 17:06 | |
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| jlvillal | mgould: Thanks for your help though. As John McClane says in Die Hard, "Welcome to the party pal" :P | 17:06 |
| * jlvillal will do old 80's movie references... | 17:07 | |
| jlvillal | Okay moving on... | 17:07 |
| jlvillal | #topic Functional testing of Ironic | 17:07 |
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| jlvillal | Anyone have any updates? | 17:07 |
| mjturek1 | I hate to sound like a skipping record but still not much progress on functional. One thing I did do was look for a tempest test that might work as a good starting point for functional testing. | 17:07 |
| mjturek1 | that being said, I'm not sure there is one, it's a lot of api testing and the big deployment test | 17:08 |
| jlvillal | #info Not much progress this week. Some research was done by mjturek1 on tempest tests. | 17:08 |
| mjturek1 | does anyone have any suggestions here as to a test that could excercise the api and conductor? maybe port-update? | 17:08 |
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| jlvillal | mjturek1: I'm not sure. I haven't looked at them closely. Might be a good question for the general channel. | 17:09 |
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| mjturek1 | jlvillal: will do | 17:09 |
| jlvillal | mjturek1: I would imagine dtantsur or lucasgomes would be good resources. | 17:09 |
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| jlvillal | Okay, moving on. | 17:09 |
| mjturek1 | cool cool | 17:09 |
| mjturek1 | thanks | 17:09 |
| jlvillal | #topic 3rd Part CI (krtaylor) | 17:09 |
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| krtaylor | o/ sorry I 'm late | 17:09 |
| krtaylor | no progress to report this week | 17:10 |
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| jlvillal | krtaylor: I noticed someone had posted a question to the mailing list on 3rd Party CI. Did you have time to respond? | 17:10 |
| krtaylor | yes, I saw that, will respond today | 17:10 |
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| jlvillal | Thanks. | 17:10 |
| krtaylor | although, it does beg the question | 17:10 |
| krtaylor | how are we going to verify that they can receive events | 17:11 |
| jlvillal | #info No updates for this week. krtaylor will respond to email question about 3rd Party CI | 17:11 |
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| jlvillal | krtaylor: blind faith on our part? | 17:11 |
| krtaylor | hehheh, yeah | 17:11 |
| sambetts | krtaylor: you can se we are ;) | 17:11 |
| jlvillal | I'm not sure. Since we can't tell until they actually respond to the events. | 17:11 |
| jlvillal | Like the (in)famous Cisco 3rd Party CI ;) | 17:12 |
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| krtaylor | right, sandbox it the place unless they already have a reporting system, still not a bad idea to start there | 17:12 |
| jlvillal | krtaylor: Anything else? | 17:13 |
| krtaylor | nope, not this week | 17:13 |
| jlvillal | Okay moving on | 17:13 |
| jlvillal | #topic Open Discussion / General QA topics | 17:13 |
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| jlvillal | The floor is open. | 17:13 |
| jlvillal | Anyone have anything? | 17:13 |
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| jlvillal | #info If anyone wants to work on Grenade testing, feel free to contact jlvillal | 17:14 |
| jlvillal | I'll give it one more minute of silence before ending meeting. | 17:14 |
| [1]cdearborn | At Dell, we're ready to start on the next milestone for 3rd party CI | 17:14 |
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| jlvillal | Oh great. krtaylor ^^^ | 17:15 |
| [1]cdearborn | and wondering if anyone has pointers to docs on network config, how to run tests, etc | 17:15 |
| sambetts | [1]cdearborn: what sort of info do you need? | 17:15 |
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| krtaylor | [1]cdearborn, we have just gone through all this in our team | 17:15 |
| [1]cdearborn | well, for the hardware setup, how many networks are required, any special HW config | 17:16 |
| krtaylor | [1]cdearborn, I am trying to get it documented | 17:16 |
| krtaylor | mjturek1, maurosr ^^^ | 17:16 |
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| [1]cdearborn | that would be great! thx | 17:16 |
| mjturek1 | [1]cdearborn: are you testing on actual hardware as targets? | 17:16 |
| [1]cdearborn | yes, that is the objective | 17:17 |
| mjturek1 | okay cool, yeah we're planning to get the documentation moving for that scenario | 17:17 |
| krtaylor | you also might be interested in what we are doing for baremetal pool management | 17:17 |
| sambetts | I have 3 physical networks in my testing infrastructure | 17:17 |
| [1]cdearborn | we got a pile of new hardware and our lab guy wan't to know how it needs to be wired up/configed | 17:17 |
| [1]cdearborn | krtaylor, absolutely! | 17:18 |
| sambetts | I'm running an openstack nodepool provider for managing all my devstack VMs, which are each handed a real server to try to boot | 17:19 |
| sambetts | using Ironic | 17:19 |
| sambetts | We are very nearly running, the jobs keep running into issues install the python packages while running devstack at the moment tough | 17:19 |
| sambetts | though | 17:19 |
| [1]cdearborn | sambetts, that sounds similar to the setup that we currently have - nodepool on a VM | 17:19 |
| mjturek1 | [1]cdearborn: networking wise, you'll need your management interface hooked up for each node and an interface to deploy to | 17:20 |
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| mjturek1 | by management interface, I mean ipmi capable interface | 17:20 |
| [1]cdearborn | mjturek1, ok, so 2 networks: ipmi & provisioning | 17:20 |
| mjturek1 | yep yep | 17:20 |
| [1]cdearborn | so what are the tests that are run? | 17:21 |
| sambetts | you also need a network so that jenkins can talk to the slave | 17:21 |
| sambetts | unless thats going to run over one of the other two networks | 17:21 |
| mjturek1 | [1]cdearborn: api tests on the dsvm then a big deployment test | 17:21 |
| sambetts | mjturek1: are you using the tempest suite? | 17:21 |
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| mjturek1 | sambetts: we're using ironic's tempest plugin | 17:22 |
| maurosr | we are, all the tests migrated from tempest to ironic's tree | 17:22 |
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| sambetts | I was aiming to run the same jobs as run by the Ironic gate, but just with the driver swapped out | 17:22 |
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| jlvillal | mgould: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1554908 Makes me wonder.... | 17:22 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1554908 in Ironic "baremetal machine fail in local boot in virtualbox " [Undecided,New] - Assigned to bin Yu (froyo-bin) | 17:22 |
| [1]cdearborn | sambetts, yes, that makes sense - does the gate just run some tempest ironic tests? | 17:23 |
| mjturek1 | sambetts: not sure that will work with the current upstream tree. We had to patch a bunch and some of those are still in review | 17:23 |
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| mjturek1 | right maurosr ^? | 17:23 |
| jlvillal | mgould: But not sure. As we are inside virtualbox and we are using QEMU I think. So not virtualbox inside virtualbox. | 17:23 |
| sambetts | [1]cdearborn: yes, they run the tempest suite with the regex baremetal or ironic | 17:23 |
| [1]cdearborn | sambetts, thx | 17:24 |
| maurosr | yeah, using devstack, made us do some customizations in devstack and ironic mainly | 17:24 |
| sambetts | mjturek1: Oh interesting, do they do driver specific things then? | 17:24 |
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| mjturek1 | sambetts: 'they' being the patches? or the tests? | 17:25 |
| sambetts | the tests | 17:25 |
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| mgould | jlvillal, yep, we're using QEMU inside virtualbox | 17:25 |
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| sambetts | I've been running devstack with the IRONIC_IS_HARDWARE=True flag to get my devstack setup running | 17:26 |
| maurosr | well one of the test is deployment scenario, so it does driver specific things | 17:26 |
| mgould | or QEMU inside QEMU | 17:26 |
| maurosr | using pxe and ipmitool | 17:26 |
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| maurosr | the changes we need on driver level were made here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/185987/ | 17:26 |
| sambetts | maurosr: I thought that it would just do a deployment? e.g. nova boot, wait for active, check for ssh | 17:26 |
| [1]cdearborn | thx very much all, this gives me a base understanding and a place to start. Much appreciated! | 17:27 |
| mjturek1 | maurosr: these changes were power specific I thought | 17:27 |
| mgould | jlvillal, I'll look to see if I get the same error on QEMU-inside-QEMU... | 17:27 |
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| maurosr | mjturek1: it is | 17:27 |
| maurosr | (I think I'm missunderstanding somethign here) | 17:27 |
| jlvillal | mgould: Thanks. My gut feeling is probably not an issue for us. | 17:27 |
| mjturek1 | sambetts: you're deploying to x86 hardware, am I mistaken? | 17:28 |
| sambetts | mjturek1: yup | 17:28 |
| mjturek1 | okay cool, so test wise I think everything is merged | 17:28 |
| sambetts | [1]cdearborn: feel free to ping me if you've got any questions, I'm still working through ours but I'm getting a pretty good understanding | 17:28 |
| mgould | jlvillal, yeah, that doesn't look like our issue | 17:28 |
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| mjturek1 | what I think isn't merged is some devstack stuff | 17:28 |
| mjturek1 | maurosr: we should get a list together of what needs to merge for baremetal testing | 17:29 |
| mjturek1 | (on baremetal targets that is) | 17:29 |
| maurosr | just a second | 17:29 |
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| vdrok | mgould, jlvillal local boot works fine in qemu, just tried that today | 17:30 |
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| sambetts | mjturek1, maurosr: these changes sound interesting, I'd like to see them if possible, I've been planning an addtion to ironic devstack to aid in alternate driver deployments so I'd like to make sure I'm not duplicating anything | 17:30 |
| jlvillal | vdrok: Thanks | 17:30 |
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| mjturek1 | sambetts, definitely. we'll work on getting you a list of patches we're using | 17:31 |
| sambetts | mjturek1: awesome :D | 17:31 |
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| jlvillal | I'm going to go ahead and end the meeting. Feel free to keep discussing things. | 17:32 |
| mjturek1 | sambetts: actually that shouldn't be too hard. We have them in our pre_test_hook | 17:32 |
| maurosr | right, given our last build (http://dal05.objectstorage.softlayer.net/v1/AUTH_3d8e6ecb-f597-448c-8ec2-164e9f710dd6/pkvmci/ironic/47/290547/1/check-silent/gate-tempest-dsvm-ironic-pxe_ipmitool/c966bf4/ ) I would say we need this patches : http://paste.openstack.org/show/489887/ which are not merged | 17:32 |
| jlvillal | But I want to let people feel free to leave if they so wish. | 17:32 |
| mjturek1 | jlvillal: sure | 17:32 |
| jlvillal | #endmeeting | 17:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:32 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 9 17:32:37 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:32 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2016/ironic_qa.2016-03-09-17.00.html | 17:32 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2016/ironic_qa.2016-03-09-17.00.txt | 17:32 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2016/ironic_qa.2016-03-09-17.00.log.html | 17:32 |
| sambetts | I would love all us Third Party CI devs to sit down at some point during the summit if people are around to just have a chat about what each other is doing so that we can optimise the process | 17:32 |
| krtaylor | we can move to #openstack-ironic | 17:32 |
| jlvillal | +1 to move to #openstack-ironic. | 17:33 |
| jlvillal | Get more people involved, I think. | 17:33 |
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| kcalman | +1 to Third Party CI devs sit down at summit | 17:34 |
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| skraynev__ | #startmeeting heat | 20:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 9 20:00:08 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is skraynev__. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 20:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 20:00 |
| skraynev__ | #topic rollcall | 20:00 |
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| randallburt1 | o/ | 20:00 |
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| ochuprykov | hi | 20:00 |
| randallburt | and me too | 20:00 |
| stevebaker | \o | 20:00 |
| skraynev__ | :) | 20:01 |
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| skraynev__ | zaneb: ping | 20:01 |
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| skraynev__ | ramishra | 20:01 |
| markvan | hello | 20:01 |
| skraynev__ | markvan: hi | 20:01 |
| zaneb | oh hey it's that week | 20:01 |
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| jdob | o/ | 20:01 |
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| skraynev__ | zaneb: yes :) | 20:02 |
| skraynev__ | #topic Adding items to agenda | 20:02 |
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| skraynev__ | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282016-03-09_2000_UTC.29 | 20:02 |
| stevebaker | skraynev__: deprecating old heat commands | 20:03 |
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| Drago1 | o/ | 20:03 |
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| skraynev__ | stevebaker: sure. added | 20:04 |
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| skraynev__ | #topic Using 1.0.0 heatclient for creating stable/mitaka branch | 20:04 |
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| skraynev__ | I think, that it's ok | 20:05 |
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| skraynev__ | and want to ask does anybody have another candidates ? | 20:05 |
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| stevebaker | I haven't checked, is there any bug fixes in review or landed since 1.0.0 which justifies a 1.0.1? | 20:05 |
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| skraynev__ | stevebaker: honestly me too... | 20:06 |
| skraynev__ | wait a se | 20:06 |
| markvan | I have the one template validate one out there | 20:06 |
| skraynev__ | wait a sec | 20:06 |
| stevebaker | these have landed http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/python-heatclient/commit/?id=7c1e7b05f44657e8ed59e2ec7f95c3c09e845226 http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/python-heatclient/commit/?id=3da649d71480a89782e2d8e1d7d6c9069a1c4c78 | 20:07 |
| markvan | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/288725/ | 20:07 |
| stevebaker | markvan: since that is a feature it will need to be in 1.1.0 | 20:07 |
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| skraynev__ | stevebaker: I see 3 patches after 1.0.0 | 20:08 |
| stevebaker | markvan: which can be released soon but I assume we've missed the boat to make heatclient stable/mitaka branch be based off a 1.1 | 20:08 |
| jdob | is there an idea on when a 1.1.0 would be? is that aligned to Newton's release or not necessarily | 20:08 |
| skraynev__ | 1 - update requirements | 20:08 |
| skraynev__ | 2. https://github.com/openstack/python-heatclient/commit/7c1e7b05f44657e8ed59e2ec7f95c3c09e845226 | 20:08 |
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| skraynev__ | 3. https://github.com/openstack/python-heatclient/commit/3da649d71480a89782e2d8e1d7d6c9069a1c4c78 | 20:08 |
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| stevebaker | jdob: whenever we want to | 20:08 |
| jdob | kk | 20:08 |
| skraynev__ | stevebaker: 1 is not important | 20:09 |
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| skraynev__ | 3 is just fix for test | 20:09 |
| skraynev__ | there is only one useful fix is 2 | 20:09 |
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| skraynev__ | Fixed exceptions handling in stacks deleting | 20:10 |
| skraynev__ | stevebaker: IMO it's strange to do 1.0.1 after one fix.... | 20:10 |
| stevebaker | and its a low impact issue, I'm fine with branching on 1.0.0 | 20:10 |
| skraynev__ | cool | 20:10 |
| skraynev__ | ;) | 20:10 |
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| skraynev__ | then I will send reply to Doug about our decision | 20:11 |
| stevebaker | +1 | 20:11 |
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| skraynev__ | #topic Heat installation issue | 20:12 |
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| skraynev__ | ping sam-i-am | 20:13 |
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| jdob | skraynev__ for what it's worth, a 1.0.1 release (even for one fix) might be easier on packagers | 20:13 |
| jdob | (sorry, I got that comment in late; we can continue that in #heat) | 20:13 |
| stevebaker | jdob: I don't think that fix is worth it | 20:13 |
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| skraynev_ | doh | 20:14 |
| jdob | gotcha; I didn't actually look at it, that was just a general sentiment on whether or not to increment a .z release | 20:14 |
| skraynev_ | it was network disconnect... | 20:14 |
| stevebaker | sam is not here | 20:14 |
| jdob | skraynev_ don't forge tto move back to skraynev__ to be able to end the meeting | 20:14 |
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| jdob | (ran into that last week in tripleo's meeting) | 20:15 |
| skraynev__ | I hope, that now it works again | 20:15 |
| jdob | you should be good to go | 20:15 |
| skraynev__ | ok... then I just want to ask take a look on bug | 20:15 |
| skraynev__ | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1554533 | 20:15 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1554533 in heat "Trustee sections should support auth_type option" [High,Confirmed] | 20:15 |
| skraynev__ | shardy mentioned, that he left comment and... | 20:16 |
| skraynev__ | it looks like we need more details for further work. | 20:17 |
| skraynev__ | so I think we may skip this item and just talk about it tomorrow with shardy | 20:17 |
| skraynev__ | #topic RC1 status | 20:17 |
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| skraynev__ | jdob: p.s. thx for the reminder about changing nick ;) | 20:18 |
| jdob | :) | 20:18 |
| skraynev__ | #link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/mitaka-rc1 | 20:18 |
| skraynev__ | rc1 is planned on the next week | 20:18 |
| skraynev__ | our FFE is mostly ok. We wait merge patch for infra: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287836/1 | 20:19 |
| skraynev__ | also please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/237608/14 | 20:19 |
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| markvan | skraynev__: yup, I think those two are ready now, thx | 20:20 |
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| skraynev__ | experimental job for legacy engine works fine... | 20:21 |
| stevebaker | skraynev__: zoiks, waiting 130 minutes seems a little extreme | 20:21 |
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| skraynev__ | markvan: what about convergence case? I have seen, that it failed | 20:21 |
| skraynev__ | by timeout. again ... | 20:21 |
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| markvan | yeah, it has never gotten far enough to run the new test case | 20:22 |
| stevebaker | markvan: ok, so we don't know how long it takes to run yet? | 20:22 |
| markvan | 130 is from what the current lbaas folks are using | 20:22 |
| skraynev__ | stevebaker: yes. I know about it. as markvan teach me it happens due to long installation Octavia | 20:23 |
| markvan | Running it locally, it take 4-8 minutes (first spin up a lb) | 20:23 |
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| markvan | yeah, adding octavia pushes devstack install >20 minutes | 20:23 |
| skraynev__ | stevebaker: so as I understand we spent most time for devstack preparation | 20:23 |
| stevebaker | interesting, why does octavia take so long to install? | 20:24 |
| skraynev__ | stevebaker. markvan: also I start thinking about running lbaas test in separate job in N | 20:24 |
| stevebaker | is it not on the test images already? | 20:25 |
| markvan | octavia downloads the amphora images | 20:25 |
| stevebaker | are amphora images hosted on openstack infra? | 20:25 |
| markvan | not sure | 20:25 |
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| stevebaker | like here? http://tarballs.openstack.org/heat-test-image/ | 20:25 |
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| markvan | I can check into those images | 20:27 |
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| stevebaker | ok, 20 minutes is quite a hit, lets see what we can do about that | 20:28 |
| skraynev__ | stevebaker: remember, that we have 1 week for it, so we need to do it soon ;) | 20:29 |
| skraynev__ | markvan: ^ | 20:29 |
| skraynev__ | so please pay attention on all suggestions on review | 20:29 |
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| stevebaker | ok, we could raise the timeout for now. Maybe the timeout value can be templated so that other jobs that don't install Octavia can be lower | 20:30 |
| skraynev__ | also I will start moving all high/medium bugs without assigner to N1 | 20:30 |
| jdob | skraynev__, the RC1 bugs are accurate for Importance, right? i don't have anything on that list and should have time to take some on, I just wanted to double check that the high ones are actually high | 20:30 |
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| skraynev__ | jdob: there is one free High bug, which probably will be took by shrady... so I think your help will need with review | 20:32 |
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| skraynev__ | all in progress bugs | 20:32 |
| jdob | ok | 20:32 |
| skraynev__ | also feel free to check statuses of not "In progress" bugs | 20:32 |
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| skraynev__ | if you think, that will be better to move some bug to N, please ping me and point on it | 20:33 |
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| skraynev__ | stevebaker: hm... I have left same comment about isolation existing jobs from timeout for lbaas v2 | 20:35 |
| stevebaker | skraynev__: ok | 20:35 |
| skraynev__ | markvan: can you do it in the same patch ^ ? | 20:36 |
| skraynev__ | try to split it , I mean | 20:36 |
| markvan | I would rather do it with a follow up patch, to get the test running now | 20:36 |
| skraynev__ | looks like more people want it, so I tend to ask you do it | 20:36 |
| markvan | What I worry about is that the lbaas v1 job is also timing out, but just not that often | 20:37 |
| stevebaker | markvan: but is it timing out due to failure or just taking a while to run | 20:37 |
| markvan | stevebaker: I did not see any failure in the ones I looked at, was about 90% thru the tests when it timed out | 20:38 |
| markvan | and the reason seemed to be a longer then usualy (<20 min) devstack install | 20:39 |
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| markvan | so that could have been just a devstack install issue | 20:39 |
| stevebaker | markvan: ok, if those timeouts were not caused by a particular test stalling then it sounds like we need to raise the timeout in the short term and spend some effort on reducing run times next | 20:40 |
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| markvan | yeah, I think once we get the test running, and see the actual times, it will help with the division of labor | 20:41 |
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| skraynev__ | markvan: how about two separate patches - increase timeout for small value, as stevebaker suggested and another patch with adding "special" timeout for lbaaas v 2 tests? | 20:41 |
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| markvan | skraynev__: sure, I can do that | 20:42 |
| skraynev__ | markvan: please post patches and add us on review ;) | 20:42 |
| skraynev__ | #topic template-validate heat-template gate broke | 20:42 |
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| skraynev__ | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1554380 | 20:43 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1554380 in heat "heat-template zuul faliure" [High,New] - Assigned to Kanagaraj Manickam (kanagaraj-manickam) | 20:43 |
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| markvan | the gate is using heat template-validate to run against all templates in the project | 20:44 |
| skraynev__ | KanagarajM: is not here as I understand, but looks like his fix failed with another error | 20:44 |
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| markvan | was using a hack to ignore the services not being there, only heat is available in this devstack. | 20:44 |
| stevebaker | Its possible we should make this job non-voting while we sort this out | 20:45 |
| skraynev__ | markvan: ops. I missed, that fix was proposed by you. sorry | 20:45 |
| markvan | yeah, basic question, is there a way to "validate" all these templates without any more input? | 20:45 |
| stevebaker | and use human-eye based validation just so things can land again | 20:45 |
| skraynev__ | and then fix gate and turn back it to voting... | 20:46 |
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| markvan | stevebaker: yup, I think this needs to be non-voting or just disabled, as I don't think it was validating much to begin with. | 20:46 |
| skraynev__ | markvan: I prefer temporary non-voting | 20:46 |
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| stevebaker | markvan: lets make it non-voting - the validation of template structure was useful | 20:46 |
| skraynev__ | validation is still need, IMO and should be fixed | 20:46 |
| markvan | k, I can push a patch for nv | 20:46 |
| skraynev__ | markvan: yeah. please ;) | 20:46 |
| jdob | i thought template-validate intentionally didn't contact other services | 20:47 |
| skraynev__ | #topic deprecation old CLI | 20:47 |
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| skraynev__ | stevebaker: do you want to discuss it as plan for N ? | 20:47 |
| stevebaker | jdob: possibly heat refactoring means validate and preview use the same validation paths | 20:47 |
| skraynev__ | stevebaker: you are right. | 20:48 |
| jdob | stevebaker, ok, i'll ask you more after the meeting, since I was't sure if that was a bug or intentional | 20:48 |
| stevebaker | we need a plain for how to deprecate the old heat commands now that 1.0.0 is out | 20:48 |
| neelashah1 | +1 stevebaker | 20:49 |
| skraynev__ | stevebaker: what exactly you want clarify ? I think we may do it in the same way as keystone client | 20:49 |
| stevebaker | I suggest that someone puts together a commit which prints a deprecation warning that includes what the new command is | 20:49 |
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| skraynev__ | i.e. add some global warning with reference on openstack client | 20:49 |
| skraynev__ | stevebaker: if nobody mind, we can take it | 20:50 |
| stevebaker | but I see no reason to have a plan for actually deleting the old commands. And old commands can get improvements as long as the new commands get the same improvements | 20:50 |
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| skraynev__ | stevebaker: in this case we need some short guide line like: if you improve osc, please add it to old cli ? | 20:51 |
| stevebaker | however my question is how should we update the docs which reference heat commands? Its going to take a while for 1.0.0 to propagate and be installed. When do pages like this switch over? http://docs.openstack.org/developer/heat/getting_started/create_a_stack.html | 20:51 |
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| skraynev__ | neelashah1, markvan: guys if you don't mind, I will take task with adding deprecation warnings. | 20:52 |
| markvan | skraynev__: k | 20:52 |
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| skraynev__ | neelashah1, markvan: but if we don't propose any chnges after week, feel free to do it ;) | 20:52 |
| skraynev__ | markvan: thank you | 20:52 |
| jdob | skraynev__, if you are busy with RC stuff I can do it (i was going to volunteer for it too) | 20:52 |
| stevebaker | skraynev__: no, osc commands can improve without adding them to the old cli. But any change which improves the old cli needs a -1 review unless the osc command has the same thing | 20:52 |
| neelashah1 | skraynev_ : Ok, thanks | 20:52 |
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| skraynev__ | stevebaker: and again, IMO, we should document this approach | 20:53 |
| jdob | stevebaker, what about simply saving the existing pages as < 1.0 and adding new pages with the 1.0 stuff? | 20:53 |
| jdob | probably wouldn't hurt to give all of those docs a read through for polishing up in the process | 20:53 |
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| jdob | and then a link at the top of the pages "For < 1.0 client, click here" | 20:54 |
| markvan | stevebaker: yeah, but I still push back a bit on changing the old cli, unless good reason not to only go into osc | 20:54 |
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| jdob | too bad we don't use readthedocs, I like their version support | 20:54 |
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| skraynev__ | stevebaker: I'd prefer to mention both cases : old CLI and new OSC | 20:54 |
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| stevebaker | markvan: yeah, some pushback would be justified. Often they wouldn't even be aware of the new commands | 20:54 |
| skraynev__ | markvan: except bug fixes, I suppose | 20:55 |
| markvan | yes, valid bugs are fine for a while | 20:56 |
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| skraynev__ | stevebaker: I think, that the best way is to add one page with all migrations old CLI ->> equal command in OSC | 20:56 |
| stevebaker | jdob: there is the cli-reference too, http://docs.openstack.org/cli-reference/heat.html | 20:56 |
| skraynev__ | and then update old pages by using new OSC | 20:56 |
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| jdob | skraynev__ i like the idea of a one page guide for existing users | 20:57 |
| stevebaker | skraynev__: like have a note at the top of any page which has heat commands pointing them to the mapping if they don't have 1.0.0 yet | 20:57 |
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| skraynev__ | stevebaker: +1 | 20:57 |
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| jdob | stevebaker, so oyou're ok with a "look at this mapping" instead of having both side by side in the same docs? I agree with that | 20:58 |
| jdob | i'd like to avoid mixing them on the same page | 20:58 |
| stevebaker | jdob: yeah, side by side would be some clutter | 20:58 |
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| markvan | skraynev__: fyi I added patch to cli doc to have in include ocs plugins (include new heat), just need to get versions bumped now to pick it up | 20:58 |
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| stevebaker | #action Add a page to http://docs.openstack.org/developer/heat/#using-heat for new cli -> old cli mapping | 20:58 |
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| markvan | skraynev__: all of it will it gen'd from the cli help and will appear under the ocs page | 20:59 |
| stevebaker | markvan: where is this page? | 21:00 |
| stevebaker | times up | 21:00 |
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| jdob | stevebaker, what about the larger effort of updating all of the pages? is that going to be a blueprint? spec-lite? | 21:00 |
| markvan | stevebaker: #link http://docs.openstack.org/cli-reference/openstack.html | 21:00 |
| stevebaker | jdob: bah, lets just do it | 21:00 |
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| jdob | kk, lemme know if i can help out and how you'd want to coordinate that | 21:00 |
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| jdob | ok, we should end this and skraynev seems to be having network issues | 21:01 |
| jdob | it's #endmeeting right? | 21:01 |
| skraynev_ | jdob: yes | 21:01 |
| stevebaker | we're not the chair | 21:01 |
| markvan | stevebaker: #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/256117/ | 21:01 |
| patchbot | markvan: patch 256117 - openstack-doc-tools - Add additional openstack client plugins (MERGED) | 21:01 |
| skraynev_ | I know :( | 21:01 |
| jdob | oh, there you are, I was gonna move to skraynev__ and do it | 21:01 |
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| jdob | i've seen that work before :) | 21:01 |
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| skraynev_ | jdob: not for now :((( | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | so what's going on? | 21:03 |
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| skraynev_ | notmyname: hi. sorry. I had a network issue and was disconnected as result I can not relogin with correct nick name | 21:03 |
| pdardeau | o/ | 21:03 |
| skraynev_ | and end meeting :( | 21:03 |
| notmyname | fun | 21:03 |
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| skraynev_ | notmyname: YEAH | 21:03 |
| jdob | there you go | 21:03 |
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| skraynev__ | #endmeeting | 21:04 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 9 21:04:09 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:04 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2016/heat.2016-03-09-20.00.html | 21:04 |
| skraynev__ | yes | 21:04 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2016/heat.2016-03-09-20.00.txt | 21:04 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2016/heat.2016-03-09-20.00.log.html | 21:04 |
| notmyname | great :-) | 21:04 |
| notmyname | ok, swift time | 21:04 |
| skraynev__ | notmyname: sorry for the delay | 21:04 |
| notmyname | no worries | 21:04 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Mar 9 21:04:29 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:04 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:04 |
| notmyname | swift team meeting time. who's here? | 21:04 |
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| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:04 |
| pdardeau | o/ | 21:04 |
| cutforth | o/ | 21:04 |
| jrichli | o/ | 21:04 |
| dmorita | o/ | 21:04 |
| ho_away | o/ | 21:04 |
| jlhinson | o/ | 21:04 |
| tdasilva | helo! | 21:04 |
| minwoob | o/ | 21:04 |
| kota_ | \o/ | 21:04 |
| awelleck | o/ | 21:04 |
| acoles | hi | 21:05 |
| gmmaha | o/ | 21:05 |
| sgundur | hi | 21:05 |
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| notmyname | great to see everyone | 21:05 |
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| notmyname | I want to keep this week's meeting fairly short | 21:05 |
| notmyname | #topic hackathon summary | 21:05 |
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| notmyname | last week was the hackathon in bristol | 21:06 |
| notmyname | acoles: thank you, again, for hosting and all the work you put in | 21:06 |
| notmyname | it was a fantastic week | 21:06 |
| jrichli | +1 | 21:06 |
| ho_away | +1 | 21:06 |
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| kota_ | so great | 21:06 |
| dmorita | It was nice to see you guys | 21:06 |
| acoles | thanks, we were glad to host you all | 21:06 |
| pdardeau | awesome work acoles! | 21:06 |
| ntata | o/ | 21:07 |
| notmyname | I'd like to spend most of the meeting tim on this topic to hear from everyone (and share with those who weren't there) | 21:07 |
| notmyname | what did you like? what can we improve? what are you happy got done? etc | 21:07 |
| siva_krishnan | o/ | 21:07 |
| notmyname | personally, I found huge benefit in the conversations about the community itself. I've got several things to work on about how to track things, what to track, what *not* to track, etc. thank you for all your input | 21:08 |
| notmyname | I'm also really happy that fast-post and the ops runbook docs landed | 21:08 |
| mattoliverau | free baby sitting or birthing facilities for those of us who were home-ridden just in case :P | 21:08 |
| mattoliverau | +1-- | 21:08 |
| mattoliverau | +100 | 21:09 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: we'll work on that for next time :-) | 21:09 |
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| acoles | we missed mattoliverau | 21:09 |
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| siva_krishnan | :-D | 21:09 |
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| mmotiani | \o/ | 21:09 |
| acoles | notmyname: agree, discussions about community and process were good | 21:09 |
| notmyname | what was another thing that happened last week that you enjoyed or found benefit in? | 21:10 |
| acoles | also good to get consensus on container sync patches | 21:10 |
| notmyname | yep | 21:10 |
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| pdardeau | as newcomer to community, insight/learning that's not possible via irc | 21:11 |
| notmyname | I'll be bugging people about those in the days to come to see if we can get the container stuff into the next release | 21:11 |
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| pdardeau | and meeting people in person! | 21:11 |
| jrichli | seems like we planned out the topics pretty well. maybe the last couple days were harder to know what was being discussed when | 21:11 |
| * mattoliverau is looking forward to some summaries cause it sounds like he missed alot. | 21:11 | |
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| kota_ | jirichli: exactly | 21:12 |
| notmyname | yeah, it did feel like a bunch of topics got piled intot he last day | 21:12 |
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| notmyname | mattoliverau: mostly we were in a room and talked. then we all went to a different room and talked and ate. then we went to a different room and talked and had beer | 21:13 |
| jrichli | dont forget the bus rides! | 21:13 |
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| jrichli | good conversations there | 21:13 |
| notmyname | right | 21:13 |
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| acoles | mattoliverau: and rarely we went to individual rooms and slept :) | 21:13 |
| mattoliverau | notmyname: thanks :P Now I'm up to speed :P | 21:14 |
| acoles | oh yeah, the bus could have been better :/ | 21:14 |
| mattoliverau | acoles: lol | 21:14 |
| notmyname | so acoles provided us a bus to and from the HPE office. and we all rode it together instead of everyone coming and going at different times | 21:14 |
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| notmyname | the bus had the unintentional side effect of fostering a lot of good conversations it seems | 21:14 |
| jrichli | acoles got a scare one day - was gonna order a bunch of taxis | 21:14 |
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| acoles | single replica bus is not robust | 21:15 |
| mattoliverau | lol | 21:15 |
| notmyname | here's one summary thing that happend | 21:15 |
| mattoliverau | multiple taxis are eventually consistant :P | 21:15 |
| notmyname | we spent a lot of time talking about long review times | 21:15 |
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| acoles | mattoliverau: lol | 21:15 |
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| notmyname | and the result is (1) prioritization of reviews is very imported instead of just number of patches reviewed. and (2) *good* reviews are very important to encourage | 21:16 |
| mattoliverau | notmyname: so a long review on long reviews? | 21:16 |
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| acoles | did clayg write something up about good reviews? i saw something, on github maybe, is it on gerrit? | 21:17 |
| notmyname | also another think I'll try to facilitate going forward are some different ways to communicate with each other like voice and/or video chat. probably around a specific topic | 21:17 |
| notmyname | acoles: yep | 21:17 |
| mattoliverau | yeah, the reviewer guidelines | 21:17 |
| acoles | it looked great | 21:17 |
| jrichli | sounded like we are gonna accept any form of communicating a design for now : you dont *have* to write a spec, right? | 21:17 |
| notmyname | still in progress, but definitely a good idea to have | 21:17 |
| notmyname | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287616/ | 21:18 |
| patchbot | notmyname: patch 287616 - swift - Adding review guidelines | 21:18 |
| notmyname | so, other things talked about include global cluster improvements (including container sync). we made good progress there I hear | 21:19 |
| notmyname | anyone want to give a better summary on that? | 21:19 |
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| notmyname | not everyone at once ;-) | 21:19 |
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| kota_ | ah yeah | 21:20 |
| notmyname | I can give it a try | 21:20 |
| tdasilva | basically what I got from that is that we will continue to spend time improving obth | 21:20 |
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| notmyname | ah, good. go kota_ and tdasilva :-) | 21:20 |
| acoles | we reviewed use cases, pros/cons of container sync and global clusters, and agreed both were valuable features | 21:20 |
| tdasilva | as they help with different use cases | 21:20 |
| acoles | and both have some deficiencies which people are working on fixing | 21:21 |
| mattoliverau | cool, +1 to that | 21:21 |
| kota_ | yup, and i think we need something like table for users which staff is suitable for you use case in upstream docs. | 21:21 |
| tdasilva | understanding the pros/cons was very valuable to me | 21:21 |
| tdasilva | kota_: +1 | 21:21 |
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| kota_ | i have a picture for the white board and am willing to write down in docs in the future. | 21:22 |
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| mattoliverau | yeah andy was really excited after that topic and started getting container sync into openstack-ansible | 21:22 |
| notmyname | kota_: great :-) | 21:22 |
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| notmyname | we also talked about notifications, and that quickly went into the metadata search use case | 21:22 |
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| notmyname | and we talked with the searchlight team | 21:22 |
| notmyname | the idea we came up with is something like container sync (its mechanisms to poll the container DBs) to directly feed the indexer instead of a message bus | 21:23 |
| mattoliverau | great, seems to be hugh community interest in that one and I wasn't even there | 21:23 |
| notmyname | (like rabbit) | 21:23 |
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| notmyname | joel and tim worked with alex on client docs and have some stuff in progress there | 21:23 |
| notmyname | anything else to bring up? | 21:23 |
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| acoles | there was a session on RBAC and policy which I missed | 21:24 |
| notmyname | right. me too :-( | 21:24 |
| acoles | anyone here attend that? | 21:24 |
| notmyname | ho_away: ? | 21:24 |
| ho_away | acoles: we had a great explanation from donagh for it :-) | 21:24 |
| acoles | ho_away: oic. i must ask him for a replay! | 21:24 |
| tdasilva | thanks to jrichli and acoles on the the crypto status update | 21:25 |
| tdasilva | I think we also got a good plan on how we see it landing on master | 21:25 |
| notmyname | yeah! the goal for crypto is to have a reasonably good feature branch by the summit | 21:25 |
| notmyname | (and merging shortly thereafter) | 21:25 |
| notmyname | jrichli: acoles: do I remember correctly? | 21:25 |
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| jrichli | notmyname: yes! and review the COPY as mw patches | 21:25 |
| acoles | notmyname: yes | 21:25 |
| tdasilva | lol | 21:26 |
| acoles | oh yeah, tdasilva gave great overview of whats happening with COPY moving to middleware | 21:26 |
| notmyname | that hasn't landed yet? ;-) | 21:26 |
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| mattoliverau | lol, I was going to make the same joke :P | 21:26 |
| acoles | i saw some more +1 on one patch, thanks reviewers! | 21:26 |
| mattoliverau | tdasilva: typey typey | 21:27 |
| jrichli | :-) | 21:27 |
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| notmyname | mattoliverau: I think it's on us reviewers now! | 21:27 |
| tdasilva | mattoliverau: it's done...i'm just waiting for reviews :( | 21:27 |
| ho_away | acoles: yeah, he gave us a good explanation why it is important (i also learned from it) | 21:27 |
| mattoliverau | damn.. thats on me then :P | 21:27 |
| tdasilva | lol | 21:27 |
| acoles | mattoliverau: and clayg was badgering to get concurrent gets landed | 21:27 |
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| tdasilva | what's typey typey for "go review" | 21:27 |
| acoles | starey starey | 21:28 |
| notmyname | overall, to say again, it was a great week and very productive | 21:28 |
| tdasilva | just in general...I liked the way we chose the topics to discuss in Austin better than this time...just my 2 cents... | 21:28 |
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| notmyname | thank you to everyone who attended, and I hope everyone else will be at the next one :-) | 21:28 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: that's good to know. I'll have to buy some more dot stickers ;-) | 21:28 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: hehehe...i think letting people rank what's important and focusing on that was nice | 21:29 |
| tdasilva | i guess it goes with the whole rocks and sands anology | 21:29 |
| notmyname | yeah, I think I liked that better too. | 21:29 |
| notmyname | ok, in the interest of time, I want to move on to some general stuff | 21:30 |
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| notmyname | #topic general summary of things | 21:30 |
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| notmyname | (how's that for a generic topic) | 21:30 |
| mattoliverau | nice | 21:30 |
| notmyname | I dont' want to discuss the per-release vs per-commit docs for swiftclient this week | 21:30 |
| notmyname | we just cut a release last week, so frankly it doesn't matter too much now | 21:30 |
| notmyname | I'm learning some about how they are built, so I think we may be able to have the best of both | 21:31 |
| notmyname | speaking of releases... | 21:31 |
| notmyname | we just did swiftclient 3.0.0, and that will be the final one (baring any security issues) for mitaka | 21:31 |
| notmyname | and for swift itself, we'll have one more release scheduled for mitaka | 21:31 |
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| notmyname | our final date for that is the week of march 28 | 21:32 |
| notmyname | but I'll likely try to do it sooner than later | 21:32 |
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| notmyname | ie next week or the week after | 21:32 |
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| notmyname | later this week i'll start to organize the starred patches for what we should try to get in | 21:33 |
| notmyname | speaking of starred patches... | 21:33 |
| notmyname | community dashboard seems to be doing one of it's jobs... | 21:33 |
| notmyname | http://not.mn/swift/swift_community_dashboard.html | 21:33 |
| notmyname | only 8 unreviewed patches right now! | 21:33 |
| notmyname | you all gave me a lot of feedback last week, so I'll be updating this page in the future | 21:34 |
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| notmyname | (specifically about measuring review vs owner timings | 21:34 |
| kota_ | maybe a bunch of unreviewd patches got conflicted with current master :/ | 21:34 |
| notmyname | and finally, (at least in the US) the daylight saving time starts this weekend, but we still will meet next week at 2100UTC | 21:35 |
| notmyname | so for some of you, the meeting time will change. pay attention :-=) | 21:35 |
| notmyname | and that's all I have for this week | 21:36 |
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| notmyname | anything else (please keep patch begging in -swift) | 21:36 |
| tdasilva | lol | 21:36 |
| notmyname | 3... | 21:36 |
| notmyname | 2... | 21:37 |
| notmyname | 1... | 21:37 |
| tdasilva | wait | 21:37 |
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| tdasilva | jk | 21:37 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: go | 21:37 |
| notmyname | ok, fine | 21:37 |
| notmyname | done | 21:37 |
| notmyname | thanks for coming. thank you for your work on swift | 21:37 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 21:37 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Mar 9 21:37:53 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:37 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2016/swift.2016-03-09-21.04.html | 21:37 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2016/swift.2016-03-09-21.04.txt | 21:37 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2016/swift.2016-03-09-21.04.log.html | 21:37 |
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