Thursday, 2016-03-10

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bryan_attthinrichs: i've been here also00:08
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thinrichsHi all.  Anyone see this message?00:09
ramineni_yes00:09
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masahitoyes00:09
ekcsthinrichs: yes I see it.00:09
thinrichsGreat.00:09
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thinrichsNot much on the agenda today.00:09
masahitothat's from my side.00:09
thinrichsFirst a reminder that the Austin summit registration prices increase Mar 11 (if I remember right).00:09
thinrichs2 days from now.00:10
thinrichsmasahito: I didn't see your status update.  Mind giving me the highlights?00:10
masahitogot it.00:10
thinrichs(Seems we had a weird partitioning again—I couldn't see what anyone else was saying.)00:10
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masahitothinrichs: I tested congress for Mitaka release and accepted my presentation.00:11
masahitohttps://www.openstack.org/summit/austin-2016/summit-schedule/events/719900:11
masahitothat's highlight.00:11
thinrichsCongratulations!00:12
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thinrichsI'm looking forward to it.00:12
masahitoThe title will be slightly changed because of some reasons, but the topic of it won't be changed.00:13
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thinrichsWhile we're on the topic of Austin, I requested 3 working rooms just like at the last summit.00:14
thinrichsBut there are 11 more teams requesting space this summit, so we'll see if we can get all those rooms.00:14
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thinrichsThere's supposedly more room in Austin than Tokyo.00:14
thinrichsramineni_: want to give a status update?00:15
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ramineni_thinrichs: yes00:16
ramineni_thinrichs: I also did some testing around, and raised some patches for bugs reported00:16
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thinrichsramineni_: any noteworthy bugs?00:17
ramineni_thinrichs: now our tempest should be stable as propably all the outstanding tempest changes are merged now00:17
thinrichsmasahito: same question to you00:17
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thinrichsramineni_: great!  Thanks for keeping on top of that.  Gate failures due to tempest changes can really hurt the team's overall productivity.  But you've kept us moving along!00:18
ramineni_thinrichs: no, didnt find any critical ones as such00:18
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thinrichsMoving on then.00:19
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thinrichsekcs: progress report?00:19
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ekcsBeen doing testing. I encountered 500 errors on policy creation & deletion, I couldn't reproduce them once I restarted congress.00:20
ekcsCould be a database connection issue. I want to investigate further at some point, but probably not a priority right now.00:20
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thinrichsNo clue as to how to replicate?  That sounds like it could be a race condition.00:21
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thinrichsWe changed around quite a bit of code at the API layer, so there could easily be a subtle bug.00:22
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ekcsI don’t think it’s race condition because it was very consistent. Until I restarted congress then it’s not there.00:22
thinrichsDid you find the problem in the logs so we know where the error happened?00:22
ekcsYes.00:22
ekcsI see the exception and stack trace in logs.00:22
ekcsThe bugs are here if anyone interested: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/155470700:23
openstackLaunchpad bug 1554707 in congress "500 when deleting policy" [Undecided,Invalid]00:23
ekcshttps://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/155471200:23
openstackLaunchpad bug 1554712 in congress "create policy fails" [Undecided,Invalid]00:23
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thinrichsThe first one looks like potentially a real problem.  Like a type mismatch.00:25
thinrichsTrying to figure out why that would disappear after a restart00:25
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thinrichsDid you try inserting/deleting elements into the database directly to see if you could replicate?00:26
ekcsSecond one (create) I can see how that would disappear because db connection re-established and synchronize no longer fails.00:26
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ekcsfirst one (delete) I don’t understand either why it would go away.00:26
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ekcsthinrichs: no. Not sure what you’re suggesting.00:27
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thinrichsBoth the 500s are caused by the same error: that event.target is a string but is expected to be an object.00:28
ekcsthinrichs: say create policy. then delete it from db. then delete policy from congress?00:28
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ekcsthinrichs: Yup.00:29
ekcsI can dig further if that’s desirable.00:29
thinrichsekcs: these feel like real bugs (probably the same real bug).00:29
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thinrichsekcs: I'll mark these as critical so we make sure to figure out what's happening00:30
thinrichsekcs: it'd be great if you could dig into it a bit.00:30
ekcsgot it.00:30
thinrichsMaybe even just manually looking through the code path for create/delete policy to figure out how that event.target might not be an object.00:30
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ekcsok00:31
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thinrichsekcs: off the top of my head, I'm surprised there's any mention of events when we are creating/deleting policies00:32
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thinrichsekcs: definitely ping me if you want help00:32
ekcsok got it.00:32
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thinrichsI'll do a quick update.00:33
thinrichsWorked a bit on one of the bugs ramineni_ found00:33
thinrichsThat code seems more or less ready...00:33
thinrichsAt least for more review00:34
thinrichs#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/289650/00:34
thinrichsAlso last week I did the release of Mitaka3 for both the server and client.00:34
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thinrichsBeen waiting to do a round of testing til this first batch of bug fixes goes in.00:35
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thinrichsI think that's about it.00:35
thinrichsLet's open up for discussion.00:36
thinrichs#topic open discussion00:36
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thinrichsAnyone have anything?00:36
bryan_attI have a quick update00:36
bryan_attI've been spending most of my time getting the OPNFV Brahmaputra release out the door, and automating the Congress install on it.00:36
thinrichsbryan_att: meant to ask if you had resolved that glacne problem00:36
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bryan_attI sent logs about the issue I reported about glance images not showing up in the glance table.00:37
bryan_attIn my Ravello deploy the same issue did not occur. I will try to repeat it on my NUC deploy using the JOID and Apex OPNFV installers. Also the list of issues I reported earlier will be re-tested and if they are still there, send to the list individually.00:37
bryan_att(I have a working install of OPNFV B on Ravello with Congress and my test webapp for it. I'll be using that for demos and testing while I'm at ONS next week.)00:37
bryan_attMy Congress install script is now totally automated, though still in bash. I'm getting Puppet training so I can implement it in Puppet. That will be the common install tool I will focus on across OPNFV installer projects.00:38
bryan_attthat's about it00:38
thinrichsbryan_att: Lots of progress!00:38
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thinrichsbryan_att: I saw your email with the logs about glance.00:38
thinrichsmasahito, ramineni_: did either of you get a chance to look at the logs?00:38
thinrichsNothing stood out to me as pointing toward a solution.00:38
bryan_attif it reappears I will send additional logs00:39
thinrichsbryan_att: that'd be great!00:39
masahitoI took a glance the log.00:39
masahitoIt looks like the client works well.00:39
bryan_attyes, just doesn't send any image rows!00:40
thinrichsEverything but that.  :)00:40
ramineni_looks like sync didnt happen yet?00:40
bryan_attI tried the test after a few hours and the same result00:41
thinrichsThat could easily do it.  But I thought we would pull the data immediately if we hadn't already pulled it.00:41
ramineni_bryan_att: ya, did you see any errors in congress log while polling data?00:42
bryan_attno, none that stood out but I will look closer00:42
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ramineni_ohok00:42
bryan_attThe #1 unique thing here is that I am running Congress in an LXC container on the main OpenStack controller node.00:42
thinrichsOff the top of my head I don't remember this: do we have the --trace option available for the row list command?00:43
thinrichsThat would at least print out the search it's trying to do.00:43
thinrichsThough maybe for a basic datasource list query that won't help much.00:43
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thinrichsOh, but I just remembered we have a writeup on how to debug these kinds of problems…00:44
bryan_attI'll try that (--trace) also.00:44
thinrichs#link https://congress.readthedocs.org/en/latest/troubleshooting.html#datasource-troubleshooting00:44
bryan_attsorry for taking so much time - thanks for the ideas and help!00:44
thinrichsThat's for the datasource one in particular.00:44
thinrichsbryan_att: our pleasure.  It's wonderful getting feedback from real users!!00:45
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bryan_atttrying to get there...00:45
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thinrichsAny other topics for discussion?00:46
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ekcsthinrichs: Back to the event.target, do you know if they are meant to be strings or objects or either?00:46
ekcsI see this comment in agnostic:00:46
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ekcs    def _update_obj(self, events, theory_string):00:47
ekcs        """Apply events.00:47
ekcs        Checks if applying EVENTS is permitted and if not00:47
ekcs        returns a list of errors.  If it is permitted, it00:47
ekcs        applies it and then returns a list of changes.00:47
ekcs        In both cases, the return is a 2-tuple (if-permitted, list).00:47
ekcs        Note: All event.target fields are the NAMES of theories, not00:47
ekcs        theory objects.  theory_string is the default theory.00:47
ekcs        """00:47
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ekcsMy best guess right now is they’re always meant to be strings. the failure occors because of a simple mistake of trying to use it as an object. But the line is reached so rarely.00:48
thinrichsI imagine the comment is correct: that event.target is a string.  Though quite possibly later we destructively modify that field and turn it into an object.00:48
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thinrichsekcs: would make sense.  What I don't understand is why update_obj is called during a create_policy.00:49
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ekcsreached so rarely because policy creation/teletion doesn’t lead to disabled events normally.00:49
thinrichsI wonder if there's a cascading delete: delete the policy results in deleting all the rules in the policy.00:49
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ekcsok that’s helpufl. iall look forther.00:49
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thinrichsLast thoughts?00:50
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ekcsthinrichs: another quci question.00:51
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thinrichsekcs: ok00:51
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ekcswhich code section is responsible for ordering the evaluation of rules so that eg negated literals are only evaluated when ground.00:52
ekcsis it in topdown?00:52
thinrichsDefinitely not topdown.  We do it statically.00:53
thinrichsI think it's in agnostic.py:Runtime._update_obj_datalog00:53
thinrichsYou'll see the update_would_cause_errors00:53
ekcshmm ok. thanks.00:54
thinrichsActually… it's the update() call in that function,00:54
thinrichswhich is implemented in nonrecursive.py,00:54
thinrichswhich then calls compile.reorder_for_safety00:54
ekcsok.00:54
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thinrichsThanks all!00:55
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gmann#startmeeting qa08:59
openstackMeeting started Thu Mar 10 08:59:36 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is gmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.08:59
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.08:59
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gmannhi, who all here today?08:59
dmelladoo/ Hi gmann ;)09:00
jlanouxhi09:00
masayukigo/09:00
gmanndmellado: jlanoux masayukig hi09:00
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jordanPhi o/09:01
dmelladohey jordanP09:01
gmannjordanP: hi09:01
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gmannlet's start09:01
gmannhttps://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Proposed_Agenda_for_March_10th_2016_.280900_UTC.2909:01
gmann^^ today agenda:09:02
gmann#topic Specs Reviews09:02
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gmann#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/qa-specs,n,z09:02
gmannSo we have many specs ready for review09:02
gmannI saw andreaf ready for client refactor one as per his discussion with mtreinish09:03
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jordanPandreaf, is pretty active09:03
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gmann#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/92804/09:03
gmannI still needs to look09:03
dmelladoI'll need to have a look too09:03
gmannmasayukig  is already +209:03
gmanngreat09:03
gmanndmellado: Thanks09:03
dmelladoadded myself as a reviewer, will try to find some time today09:03
gmannI will put this in list may be tomorrow if i get time09:04
masayukiggmann: yeah, it's a nice spec, i think09:04
gmannmasayukig: yea09:04
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gmannand second priority one from code sprint was resource.yaml one09:05
gmann#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/173334/09:05
gmannI think andreaf and John started working on that09:05
gmannbut not sure ab out spec is updated accordingly or not09:06
gmannwe can check later09:06
gmannsaw patches already for that -09:06
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gmann#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/tempest-resources09:06
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gmannanyways let's check with andreaf later09:07
dmelladosouds good to me09:07
gmannany other spec anyone want to discuss09:07
masayukigI +A'ed to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/266094/ (Centralized Workspaces) today, actually.09:08
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dmelladowell, not a spec but I'd like to discuss some patches about the consistent-services-names09:08
dmelladowe can do that later in the tempest section09:08
gmannmasayukig: ok, i did not even look into that09:08
gmannmasayukig: can you briefly describe that09:09
gmanndmellado: yea we will discuss in Tempest topic09:09
masayukiggmann: ok,09:09
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masayukigit's introducing a manager for tempest workspaces.09:10
jordanPI don"t even know what a tempest workspace is09:10
jordanPand the BP doesn't describe it either09:11
gmannjordanP: we can initialize the tempest folder/workspace and run tests in that09:11
jordanPbut that's fini, that BP seems rather small and doesn't have a lot of impact on the rest of tempest09:11
gmannin isolated manner with diff diff conf09:11
jordanP*fine09:11
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gmannjordanP: i see09:11
gmannmasayukig: so tempest workspace register command is same as tempest init ?09:12
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masayukigno, i don't think so09:12
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dmelladowhat would the difference be?09:12
dmelladowould it have a separated .testrepository?09:13
gmannmasayukig: in example it created another workspace named 'staging' in parallel to 'devstack'09:13
masayukigwe can manage workspaces with the command.09:13
dmelladoI'll read the spec alter but it'd be great have that summarized ;)09:13
gmanndmellado: yes, separate .testrepository, separate testr run  separate tempest.conf09:13
masayukigoops,09:13
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masayukiggmann: true.09:13
gmannmasayukig: so with tempest init we used to create separate workspace09:14
gmannmasayukig: what i understood with that spec is, it enables to manage workspace like rename, list etc09:14
gmannmasayukig: but did not get Register means and how it is different than tempest init09:15
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masayukiggmann: 'tempest init' makes a workspace and register it to a .tempest.09:15
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jordanPmaybe we should move on ? :)09:16
masayukiggmann: I think we don't have it yet, so we need a register command, probably.09:16
gmannmasayukig: i see, tempest init too register09:16
masayukigjordanP: gmann: yeah, let's move on09:16
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gmannmasayukig: ok09:16
gmannjordanP: yea:)09:16
gmannanything on spec ?09:17
gmann#topic Priority Items09:17
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gmann#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-qa-priorities09:17
gmannfirst one is mine - Tempest Microversion support09:17
gmannFramework is ready in tempest and i have added patches to move it to tempest/lib09:18
gmann#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/284387/09:18
gmannadded release notes and library interface doc09:18
gmannplease review09:18
gmannand along with that modifying compute service clients to support microversion09:19
dmelladowill do09:19
gmannall set here  -https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/api-microversions-testing-support+status:open09:19
gmanndmellado: Thanks09:19
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gmannwe run v2.2 tests already on gate09:19
gmannand v2.10 and v2.20 patches are up09:19
gmannall works fine09:20
gmann#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/258391/09:20
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gmannjlanoux: i updated that patch and it hits in 2.20 version now09:20
gmannits ready to review09:20
gmannhoping to merge all framework patch soon so that we can implement other microversion too09:21
jlanouxgmann: Yeah, that looks good - thanks. I might need to change the scenario a bit but that's cool it's working!09:21
gmannIt is for M1 but got too delayed09:21
gmannjlanoux: please add comment about that.09:21
gmannthat will helpful09:21
jlanouxgmann: will do09:21
gmannjlanoux: Thanks09:22
gmannnext is - Health Dashboard09:22
gmannmasayukig: you want to talk anything on that09:22
masayukigok,09:22
gmannmay be new feature.09:22
gmannwhich is always helpful for debugging09:23
masayukighttp://status.openstack.org/openstack-health/ is the dashboard page.09:23
masayukig(but now, it has something wrong..)09:23
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gmannyea taking time to load09:24
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masayukiganyway, now, we are improving UI to useful for debuging etc.09:24
gmannok09:24
gmannI saw this-  "Failed Tests in Last 10 Failed Runs"09:25
masayukigadded fancy bar graphs to project status, failed job informations, etc.09:25
gmannthat will give failed tests of last 10 failure of same tests or job09:26
masayukigso if you have comments/feedbacks, please notify to the IRC channel, adding bug, emails09:26
gmannmasayukig: sure, thanks09:26
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masayukigbug page is https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-health09:26
gmann#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-health09:27
gmannI will check new graph once it is loaded.09:27
masayukiggmann: thanks, that's all from me.09:27
gmannmasayukig: Thanks.09:27
gmannnext is  - -Service Client Migrations09:27
gmannwe will take in Tempest topic as dmellado mentioned09:28
dmelladoon this we're pretty much done09:28
dmelladohttps://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-tempest-service-clients09:28
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gmanndmellado: yea, but still lot of client s we need to move09:28
gmannits huge work so might take more time09:28
dmelladogmann: maybe we should open an etherpad for that too09:28
dmelladoadding it to the split one09:29
gmanndmellado: i think same etherpad is for that09:29
dmelladoon this I'd appreciate comments on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/286573/09:29
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dmelladofor the tokens_client and token09:29
dmelladoand we should think about 'what to do' with the remaining non-applicable to split methods09:30
dmelladoat least for keystone09:30
gmanndmellado: yea, i still feel to keep it in identity client09:30
dmelladoI've been keeping it there for comments, but if we all agree on that I'll abandon the patches09:30
gmannwe should keep those in common clients like identity_client for all generic interface for keystone API09:30
gmannany other suggestion?09:31
dmelladosounds fine for me09:31
gmannanyways let's oomichi too have a look into those09:31
gmannand once we will split almost all then we can have better view about remaining methods09:31
dmelladosure, anyway gmann, as you said, huge work so it'll get delayed09:31
gmanndmellado: yea09:32
dmelladobut we can start migrating keystone as it is now ;)09:32
dmelladoany more topic on tempest?09:32
gmanndmellado: sure, but before that we can iterate the interface are all cleanup as per all points in that etherpad09:32
dmelladogmann: +109:32
gmannand start migrating those and review carefully there09:32
gmannlets move on09:33
gmannnext in priority item is  - Tempest Lib Migrations09:33
gmannjlanoux: anything you have on ssh thing09:33
gmannothersie we directly move on to  - Tempest CLI Improvements09:33
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dmelladoon that, I'd like to revisit the tempest-config stuff I posted. I think it'll be great to have this integrated, but it won't go for mitaka09:34
dmelladoso we can discuss that in the Austin sessions09:34
gmanndmellado: auto generation of config ?09:35
dmelladogmann: yep, I sent an email about this before to the ML09:35
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gmannyea, ok09:35
gmannlet's talk on Tempest CLI Improvements09:35
gmannanything on this. may be masayukig you again :)09:36
dmelladothat'd be integrated on tempest-cli09:36
dmelladothat's why I brought it on here09:36
dmelladoDPaterson was also intereseted, but anyway, I'll bring this later on ;)09:36
gmanndmellado: honesty saying i still on same side but yea lets discuss later09:36
jlanouxgmann: I think we're about to close the bp with andreaf09:37
gmannjlanoux: ok09:37
masayukiggmann: dmellado: yeah, old commands were already integrated.09:37
gmannmasayukig: yea, i always use cleanup :)09:37
dmelladomasayukig: cool ;)09:38
gmannwhich is very helpful for me as i always do CTR C on running tests09:38
gmannlet's move on to next topic09:38
gmann#topic Tempest09:38
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gmannone i have on this09:38
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gmanni still need to add big for that09:38
gmannactually there are failure hitting on plugin tests in many projects09:39
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gmannthat was due to fwaas tempest plugin has import error09:39
gmann#link http://logs.openstack.org/50/289650/4/check/gate-congress-dsvm-api/6a27be7/console.html09:39
dmelladoyep just saw it on #openstack-infra09:39
gmannfix is already up for fwaas09:39
gmann#https://review.openstack.org/#/c/290983/09:39
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gmannbut here issue is if any plugin has import error etc it will leads all plugin tests to fail09:40
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gmannwhile discovery the tests import error hits09:40
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dmelladogmann: so if it hits discovery error then all the tests fail?09:41
gmannmy suggestion is to make that log only and say ok this plugin has error and run others09:41
gmanndmellado: yea error in listing the tests09:41
dmellado+1 on that, there was something similar happening in sahara, IIRC09:41
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gmannbasically any plugin should not lead error to other plugins if they do not run that09:41
gmannI am checking where we can hadnle that better09:42
gmanni will add bug and put fix if i found good09:42
gmannthats all on that09:42
dmelladoI'm working on the neutron tempest plugin09:42
dmelladoand would appreciate reviews on this09:42
gmanndmellado: you want to discuss09:42
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dmelladohttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/274023/09:42
gmanndmellado: cool09:43
dmelladoas there's some stuff already done by amuller but couldn't get him to comment09:43
dmelladothanks in advance!09:43
gmanndmellado: any issue you are facing or all going fine09:43
dmelladojust not really sure about the config part09:43
dmelladoit works, I've tested it but unsure on the integration for the config part09:43
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gmanndmellado: ok, you can check other example and ping if still you face issue09:44
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dmelladogmann: I followed heat/manila09:44
gmanndmellado: main issue i observed for those is if config are register twice09:44
dmelladobut in this specific case for neutron my doubts are for that09:44
gmanndmellado: you have patch up for that?09:45
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dmelladogmann: could you comment there? I'll fix and follow with patchsets ;)09:45
gmanndmellado: on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/274023/ ?09:45
dmelladoyep, please09:45
gmanndmellado: but that is just adding dir structure09:45
gmannno config register i can see09:45
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dmelladooh, got a local one09:46
dmelladoI'll push it and pls comment on the config stuff09:46
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dmelladoor I can follow-up on the main qa channel09:46
gmanndmellado: if you can put up even WIP there i can check09:46
dmelladono worries09:46
gmanndmellado: sure, Thanks09:46
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gmannanything else on Tempest?09:46
dmelladonothing from my side ;)09:47
gmannok. let's directly jump to Critical Reviews09:47
gmann#topic Critical Reviews09:47
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gmannany critical review here?09:47
gmannI will add microversion patches again :)09:48
gmann#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/api-microversions-testing-support+status:open09:48
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masayukiggmann: I added me as a reviewer for them :)09:49
gmannmasayukig: Thanks09:49
gmannon base patch, took time on autodoc thing.09:49
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gmannfinally it was on shape :)09:50
gmanngood suggestion by mtreinish.09:50
gmann#topic open discussion09:50
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gmannanything else needs to be discussed from anyone09:50
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gmannwe still have ~9 min09:51
dmelladowill there be a bbq at Austin? xD09:51
gmann:)09:51
masayukigdmellado: nice :)09:51
dmelladobesides joking, is there any plan to set up a meeting there, like you did at Tokyo?09:52
gmanndmellado: nice idea, may be but we can see during summit planing09:52
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dmelladocool ;)09:53
gmannmainly for AI for PTL (mtreinish ) :P09:53
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masayukigdmellado: I think we had like it every summit.09:53
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gmannok. let's close the meeting09:54
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gmannThanks All for joining09:54
gmann#endmeeting09:54
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jordanPthanks09:54
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masayukigthanks all09:54
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2016/qa.2016-03-10-08.59.txt09:54
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dmelladothanks ;)09:54
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johnthetubaguy#startmeeting Nova14:00
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openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
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markus_zO714:00
johnthetubaguyhello all14:00
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johnthetubaguyI will start cut and pasting, while folks roll in14:00
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johnthetubaguy#topic Release Status14:00
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johnthetubaguy#info Mar 14-18, RC1 target week, Hard String Freeze, open master for Newton14:01
johnthetubaguy#link http://docs.openstack.org/releases/schedules/mitaka.html14:01
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johnthetubaguy#info please use the mitaka-rc-potential bug tag if you spot regressions, but issues, etc https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=mitaka-rc-potential14:01
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johnthetubaguylets try co-ordinate where to focus outside of that bug list in the usual way14:02
johnthetubaguy#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-priorities-tracking14:02
johnthetubaguycool, any release-ey questions while we are in this bit?14:02
markus_zThat etherpad has a gerrit query for open patches for "mitaka-rc-blockers".14:02
johnthetubaguybasically, I am hoping we can tag on tuesday next week, then open for newton14:02
mriedemwow rc1 is next week already14:02
johnthetubaguymriedem: yeah, its crazy tight this time around14:03
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johnthetubaguymriedem: gives us all more practice at backporting bugs to stable14:03
mriedemriiight14:03
BobBallbug fixes* (hopefully) :D14:03
johnthetubaguyBobBall: heh14:03
markus_z:)14:03
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johnthetubaguyanyways, that sounds like we are all on the same page14:04
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johnthetubaguymoving forward14:04
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johnthetubaguy#topic bugs14:04
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mriedem#link "new" bugs https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?search=Search&field.status=New&orderby=-datecreated&start=014:04
markus_z#info 1 critical bug 1552303 with open change https://review.openstack.org/#/c/287363/14:04
openstackbug 1552303 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Block live migrations are broken when nova calculates live migration type by itself" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1552303 - Assigned to Pawel Koniszewski (pawel-koniszewski)14:04
johnthetubaguymarkus_z: I was thinking we should nip through the currently tagged bugs, make sure they are all progressing?14:04
johnthetubaguycool, I just -1ed that one, but its progressing14:05
markus_zjohnthetubaguy: I did 1 hour ago, half has patches half not14:05
markus_zhttp://bit.ly/1pi5yHt14:05
johnthetubaguymarkus_z: OK, cools14:05
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markus_zI can post on the ML with details?14:06
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johnthetubaguymarkus_z: that works14:06
johnthetubaguyso quick thing14:06
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johnthetubaguythe top one is a blocker, for sure14:07
johnthetubaguyI want to dig into that API one, but we can do that in the API meeting if needed14:07
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johnthetubaguythe others seem less like blockers, but they are all things we should try and merge if we can14:07
mriedemi don't think https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1549814 is a blocker14:07
openstackLaunchpad bug 1549814 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Metadata caching is fundamentally broken" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Dan Smith (danms)14:07
markus_zAh, the first one got already merged 5 minutes ago14:08
johnthetubaguymriedem: yeah, I think we drop the tag there, given the recent discussion on that one14:08
johnthetubaguyOK, so I am happy with that list, I think14:08
thomasemHey there14:09
johnthetubaguyOK, so lets move on to the open discussion then14:10
johnthetubaguy#topic Open Discussion14:10
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johnthetubaguyso I see a note from rdopiera about process14:10
bauzasmarkus_z: in case you want some automatic dash, lemme know, I did that for the NFV dash 1 year before14:10
johnthetubaguyrdopiera: did mriedem markus_z and my replies on the ML help with that question?14:10
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markus_zbauzas: I'll ping you after the meeting14:10
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rdopierajohnthetubaguy: yes, definitely14:11
johnthetubaguyrdopiera: cool, it might be worth adding an extra FAQ style entry for your question, if you think that would help others14:11
johnthetubaguyso any more burning issues we should discuss14:12
johnthetubaguyreno notes are slowing landing I think, bauzas is pushing on lots of those14:12
johnthetubaguywe should get those in before we tag, ideally14:12
johnthetubaguyoh, python-novaclient14:12
rdopierajohnthetubaguy: it might be worth to mark them somehow, because they are usually also easy to review, so reviewers might want them14:12
bauzasI need to review again14:12
johnthetubaguy#info dhellmann is going to create the stable branch for python-novaclient14:12
rdopierajohnthetubaguy: using the 'refactor' word in the title sounds like a good idea14:13
johnthetubaguywell, his team, and their scripts, but anyways, sounds like thats all happening14:13
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rdopieraoops, sorry, slow typing14:13
johnthetubaguyrdopiera: that could work, similar to the trivalpatch tag, have another one for refactoring14:13
dhellmannjohnthetubaguy : as part of creating the branch, we'll also push a change to add a "mitaka" page to your release notes. It should be another easy review.14:13
johnthetubaguydhellmann: awesome, sounds good, I saw the note on the need to review the output of that carefully14:14
dhellmannyeah, whitespace is hard14:14
johnthetubaguydhellmann: ack!14:14
mriedemwhat's the link to the reno etherpad again for nova?14:15
mriedembauzas: ^14:15
bauzas#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-milestone-reno14:15
johnthetubaguyah, so good point14:16
johnthetubaguyif you find a patch thats a blocker, like reno, but not a bug14:16
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johnthetubaguythere is a section in here14:16
johnthetubaguy#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-priorities-tracking14:16
mriedembauzas: does "New notes since the last milestone" mean those are already done?14:16
johnthetubaguy#info please put any blocker patches in here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-nova-priorities-tracking14:16
bauzasmriedem: I just provided those to make sure people can look at them14:17
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bauzasmriedem: but sometimes we could be thinking one reno note is missing, but someone already provided a follow-up patch adding the reno file14:17
mriedemyeah14:17
johnthetubaguycool14:18
johnthetubaguythanks all14:18
bauzasmriedem: that said, I need to modify the etherpad, some calls are bad (still using m-2)14:18
johnthetubaguyI will let you all get back to reviewing those critical mitaka patches!14:18
johnthetubaguyso I should do a call out about that14:19
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johnthetubaguy#help if you added code that had a release note, please double check we have the reno note in place14:20
johnthetubaguythanks14:20
johnthetubaguy#endmeeting14:20
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gordc#startmeeting telemetry15:00
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gordccool let's go15:02
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gordc#topic recurring: roadmap items (new/old/blockers)15:02
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gordcfrom what i'm tracking. all our FFE items are merged.15:02
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gordcboth the timestamp delta transformer and tempest15:03
gordcr-mibu: thanks for the effort15:03
r-mibunp :)15:03
gordcr-mibu: do you have plans to enable it in gate?15:03
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r-mibunot yet15:03
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r-mibubut will try it before the summit15:03
gordcr-mibu: ok. but from code POV. all is complete?15:04
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ityaptinHi!15:04
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r-mibuyes as migrate existing code from tempest15:04
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gordcr-mibu: cool cool. good to hear. i guess we can close the bps for now then.15:04
r-mibunow, we can enhance test cases15:04
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r-mibuyep, i already closed bps on launchpad today15:05
gordcr-mibu: yeah, it'll be alot easier now that we can manage the tests ourselves15:05
gordcr-mibu: perfect!15:05
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idegtiarov_o?15:05
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gordc#topic mitaka blockers15:06
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gordcany blockers we should be aware of based on testing so far?15:06
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r-mibuqq, should we remove deprecated codes and options?15:06
gordc(also if you do find high/critical issues, feel free to raise to list as well)15:06
gordcr-mibu: it depends15:07
gordcr-mibu: deprecation policy means we need to keep it for at least one fully cycle15:07
r-mibuok, i have conern about alarming function15:07
gordcr-mibu: what do you want to remove?15:07
r-mibunot all major installers are ready to aodh15:07
silehtceilometer-alarm ?15:08
r-mibuyep15:08
gordcthat is already gone...15:08
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sileht:D15:08
r-mibuok, never mind15:08
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gordcr-mibu: i believe rdo is still using ceilometer-alarms? pradk_ ?15:09
silehtgordc, yes I think15:09
pradk_gordc, well packstack now supports aodh15:09
pradk_gordc, tripleo support in progress15:09
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gordcr-mibu: in this case, i feel like it's above and beyond support. if you don't want to move to Aodh, you probably need to get support elsewhere.15:10
r-mibuit's ok, i want to move to aodh15:10
r-mibuevent-alarm :)15:10
gordctbh, i don't want slow down upstream dev to support downstream requirements.15:11
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gordcr-mibu: sounds good15:11
r-mibui just want to drop ceilo-alarm without fights ;-p15:11
gordc:)15:11
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gordccdent has a speech about upstream supporting downstream15:12
gordcno fights needed.15:12
cdentit's not a speech15:12
cdentit's a screed15:12
ildikovit was deprected for Liberty already IIRC15:13
liushengshould we still recommend ceilometerclient as alarming client this release ?15:13
ildikovwe can always use this as an excuse15:13
gordcildikov: yep15:13
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gordcliusheng: err... possibly? i haven't tested aodhclient much yet.15:14
gordcliusheng: what are you thoughts?15:14
gordcdo you think aodhclient is ready or do you think big changes will still happen?15:14
ildikovgordc: what about Heat?15:15
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gordcildikov: it's still on ceilometerclient. the switch was way too big when i tried to apply aodhclient15:15
liushenggordc: I agree, I am worry the upstream applications don't adapt the aodhclient now :(15:15
silehtheat still use ceilometerclient, so we need to deprecated quickly to inform haet to move the aodhclient15:15
gordchttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/284985/15:16
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silehtgordc, woot !15:16
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gordcsileht: i gave up on it. just fyi.lol15:16
ildikovit seems we need to stick with ceilometerclient for now15:16
gordc_nadya__: do you still plan on taking it over?15:16
_nadya__gordc: yep, I plan15:16
gordcildikov: yeah :(15:16
ildikovgordc: agreed on :(15:16
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liushengsince there are different usages between ceilometerclient and aodhclient15:17
gordcsileht: you can have a look at the patch (i was kind of guessing and replacing s/ceilometer/aodh/)15:18
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silehtgordc, the patch looks hudge15:18
gordcliusheng: yeah, so i guess we need to keep ceilometerclient around for now.15:18
gordcsileht: it is. that's why i gave up on trying for Mitaka.15:18
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gordcsileht: also, i wasn't exactly sure what i was doing.lol15:19
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silehtgordc, I known, we are all developers15:19
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liushengI also mean not only heat as the alarm users :)15:19
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gordcsileht: lol15:20
gordcliusheng: right. so yeah, i guess officially keep using  ceilometerclient but you can start trying aodhclient.15:20
gordcliusheng: we will need to tag aodhclient as well. is the latest release ok for mitaka or do you want to wait for something?15:21
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liushenggordc: nothing, I just concern15:22
gordcliusheng: kk. not a big deal since nothing is dependent on it right now15:23
gordcany other dicussion items for Mitaka?15:23
ildikovI will check the install guide as well15:23
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gordcjust an fyi, i'm taking the latest releases of ceilometermiddleware and ceiloemterclient as stable/mitaka15:24
ildikovI saw aodhclient package for SUSE for instance, but I will add a note that it is not fully functional yet15:24
gordcildikov: cool cool. i wonder what release they built from15:24
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gordc0.1.0 and 0.2.0 i believe are missing a good chunk of functionality15:24
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ildikovgordc: that's a good question, I will try to check that as well15:25
gordckk.15:25
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gordc#topic open discussion15:26
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gordcjust an fyi, openstack math says we're diverse (for now): https://review.openstack.org/#/c/289283/15:27
gordcthat's all i have. will close this in a few if we're all happy15:28
gordcthanks folks.15:29
ildikovgood to know we're diverse :)15:29
_nadya__what?15:29
liushengthanks15:29
_nadya__what doest it mean for us?15:29
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gordc_nadya__: it just means we have more than 2 companies contributing? it's just numbers for managers to do very very high-level review of projects15:30
ildikov_nadya__: I doubt it would mean too much in practice15:30
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_nadya__ook :)15:31
gordccool cool. keep on testing folks.15:31
gordc#endmeeting15:31
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rtheisosc meeting time?19:01
jicheno/19:02
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dtroyerHeyo19:06
dtroyer#startmeeting openstackclient19:06
openstackMeeting started Thu Mar 10 19:06:24 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is dtroyer. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:06
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:06
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'openstackclient'19:06
dtroyerlooks like a good turnout so far, let's get started...19:06
dtroyer#topic reviews19:07
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dtroyerThere has been a good bit of activity this week, any specific reviews that need highlighting?19:07
rtheishttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/290785/ is good for team awareness19:08
rtheisthanks dtroyer19:08
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dtroyerI added the rest that I wrote lastnight before 'quickdraw' stevemar did his edits...19:09
rtheisnice19:09
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dtroyerso there is anow a general section too that should just show what we currently do19:09
dtroyera new***19:09
dtroyerI think we need to keep doing these docs as the tribal knowledge is exposed with all of the newer contributions19:10
dtroyerwhich, btw, is fantastic!19:10
rtheisI agree19:10
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dtroyerI'm hoping to even write some code again soon ;)19:11
dtroyerok, I'll throw out one thing that I brought up in the last day or so19:11
rtheishttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/290138/ ... this is still a WIP but I was interested in opinions on the command object name.  It is currently "segment" but am considering a change to "network segment".19:12
dtroyerhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/288441/ and another? review around 'ip floating' work19:12
dtroyer(will come back to mine, reading rtheis comment)19:12
dtroyerthat needs a deeper read, but yeah, I think 'network segment' is a clearer resource name19:13
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rtheisdtroyer: thanks19:14
dtroyerthat create command may take some thinking too ;)19:14
rtheisyeah, neutron team is still working out API details.19:15
dtroyerso this is totally new?19:15
rtheisyes19:15
rtheisREST API is still a WIP19:15
dtroyerrequest #1 - don't allow the user to specify the ID (similar to how flavors work)19:15
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dtroyerI say that because —segmenetation-id looks liek it might be that?19:16
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rtheisI think I need to change the name on that since it isn't a resource UUID19:16
dtroyerI wondered if I misunderstood what it was...19:17
rtheisit is a vlan ID when vlan used19:17
dtroyerbut thanks, the ability to suss out the CLI when the REST API is still in development is nice, we can hopefully make it better from a user perspecive early on19:17
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rtheisneutron team will probably want this command in python-neutronclient as an OSC plugin ... which I'm looking at now19:18
dtroyeruh, we don't use neutronclient and I don't want to re-add it.19:19
dtroyerbut yeah, a plugin should work ok19:19
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dtroyerany more there?19:20
rtheisnothing else19:20
dtroyerback to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/288441/ then19:20
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dtroyerI remarked in that review, or the other one I can't find ATM about how the 'ip floating' (and ip fixed too) resources are poorly formed commands19:21
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* dtroyer did that early one19:21
rtheishere's the other https://review.openstack.org/#/c/26239719:22
dtroyerI think we should go ahead and fix what needs fixing with them, we need to maintain compatability, but this might be a case where we re-implement them as 'floating ip' and 'fixed ip' with the more consistent comamnd structure19:22
dtroyerI didn't want my comments to seem like we shouldn't move forward here19:22
dtroyerit does raise the situation where we might want to look at command aliases again19:23
dtroyerbut in this case I want to change the arguements19:24
rtheisip floating delete, list and show refactors have merged already ... did you want to back those out?19:25
dtroyerno, we should finish that work19:25
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dtroyerbut changes, such as making pool optional, should wait19:25
dtroyerthere are a couple of things in those commands I did wrong initially19:25
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rtheisok, so keep the refactor going but save incompatible changes for re-implemented commands ?19:27
dtroyeryes19:27
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rtheisapply new commands to network and compute or just network19:28
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dtroyerboth19:28
rtheisok19:28
dtroyerwe'll be supporting nova-net for some time yet19:29
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dtroyerwhen the refactor is complete, I'll take a stab at the new parser configuration…19:29
rtheisthe release notes for the refactor claim that Command ``ip floating delete`` is now available for neutron network.19:29
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rtheissimilar for list and show19:29
rtheisdid these not work for neutron before...I haven't tried19:30
dtroyerI thought they had not been implemented yet19:30
rtheisNot with direct calls to neutron, but wasn't sure if they were pass through nova to neutron like security groups19:31
dtroyerI think they were19:32
rtheisok19:32
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dtroyerany other reviews to talk about?19:33
dtroyerok, how about…19:34
dtroyer#topic bugs19:34
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rtheisI think it would be good to fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+bug/155430219:35
openstackLaunchpad bug 1554302 in python-openstackclient "Error message improvement in OSC commands" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Tang Chen (tangchen)19:35
rtheisTang noted that he hasn't found a way to improve it in the bug description19:36
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dtroyeryes, we rely too much on the exception-from-HTTP-resposnse19:36
dtroyerthis is another reason I wrote up that doc about command errors19:36
rtheiscurious if anyone has ideas on how to fix19:36
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dtroyerit'll take a bit of work to create the list of exceptions/error messages to look for19:37
singhjwhat are some other instances when that error is returned?19:37
dtroyerand is complicated by the non-standard way many errors are returned…ie, they are not specified in the APi and are subject to change19:37
singhjI know that the extensions missing case is one19:37
dtroyerthe API WG has spent time with trying to nail error handling down a bit at the REST level, we would benefit greatly from services doing that19:38
dtroyerI do think, though, a generic bug like this isn't so useful…how do we know when it is closed?19:38
rtheisIf we focus on network case, there is often error message details available19:39
dtroyerJas, the extensions missing is another example of where we need to add specific error handling in commands19:39
rtheisneutronclient will extract those19:39
dtroyerright, but they are subject to change IIRC, they are not considered part of the API contract19:39
dtroyerwe can best-effort those, and that's about it for now19:40
rtheisok19:40
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dtroyerwhen we do, we should put a copy of the reference error message in a comment so if/when it changes we know what was used to generate the detection code19:40
dtroyerthis is something else that should go in that doc I proposed yesterday, once we sor tit out19:41
rtheis+119:42
singhjso you guys are planning to map the returned messages with something the user will get?19:42
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dtroyerWhen the response from the server isn't so useful to the end user, yes19:43
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dtroyerand we have a lot of that right now19:43
dtroyerit varies per service since they mostly vary to some degree19:44
dtroyerin other bug news, I'm going to combine https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+bug/1554892 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+bug/1554893, this is just breaking things apart too far.  plus, it should be part of the volume blueprint19:46
openstackLaunchpad bug 1554892 in python-openstackclient "Add support for Un-manage Volume(Stop managing a volume) " [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Sheel Rana (ranasheel2000)19:46
openstackLaunchpad bug 1554893 in python-openstackclient "Add support for manage volume functionality" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Sheel Rana (ranasheel2000)19:46
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rtheissounds good19:46
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dtroyerany others?19:47
rtheisnothing else from me19:47
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dtroyer#open discussion19:49
dtroyer#topic open discussion19:49
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dtroyerWhat else shanll we talk about?19:49
* dtroyer spelling-fail too19:49
rtheishttp://logs.openstack.org/75/286275/7/check/check-osc-plugins/b23e206/console.html  ... "Some commands overlap..." is the error for check-ose-plugins job19:50
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dtroyergood grief19:50
rtheisstevemar ^19:50
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rtheiswondering about stevemar's plan on how we should resolve these errors19:51
dtroyerthey detect errors in other repos19:51
rtheisI wasn't sure who to contact19:51
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dtroyerand I see some that look like they really don't follow our reccommended structure19:52
dtroyerI think the error message there could be more helpful19:52
rtheisyeah19:52
dtroyerthat might make a nice afternoon diversion19:52
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dtroyerI also think there is a limit to how far we can expect to police outside commands like this19:53
dtroyertime to re-draw the layer map and make a cutoff maybe?19:53
rtheispossibly, yes.  When I get some time, I'll try looking into the error19:55
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dtroyeranything else?19:56
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rtheisnothing else from me19:56
singhjfor the extension error message issue, I had some ideas19:56
dtroyerok19:57
singhjmaybe keep track of which options need which extension19:58
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singhjand upon error, check if required extensions exist19:58
singhjvia client.find_extension(ext)19:58
dtroyerkeeping track is a great idea19:58
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dtroyerwhat do you do different though if the extenion exists but there was a failire?19:59
rtheissinghj: related code that may help here: https://github.com/openstack/python-openstackclient/blob/master/openstackclient/common/availability_zone.py#L15119:59
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singhjwell I was planning to catch the exception locally and checking and then just raising it up again if it weren't the reason19:59
dtroyerah, yes, ok19:59
rtheissinghj: you could also check the extension if the option was specified to know before making the request20:00
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dtroyerI think I'd rather handle the error and incur the overhead only then rather than on every call20:01
rtheisas long as users have access to list extensions20:01
dtroyerwe're at time…continue in -sdks?20:01
dtroyer#endmeeting20:01
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armaxyoyo21:59
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carl_baldwinyoyo21:59
armaxdougwig, kevinbenton, amotoki, carl_baldwin, HenryG, mestery22:00
armaxhi22:00
dougwigo/22:00
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armaxis there appetite for a (quick) drivers team?22:00
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ihrachyso/22:00
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armaxihrachys: you’re gonna age really quickly!22:00
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* njohnston loiters in this general direction22:01
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armaxor at least hope you’re not an early bird22:01
kevinbenton\o22:01
kevinbentono/22:01
armax#startmeeting neutron_drivers22:01
amullerhiho22:01
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njohnstono/22:01
armaxok, before we dive in22:01
armaxa brief announcement22:01
armaxmestery has decided to step down due to other committments22:02
armax#link https://review.openstack.org/#/admin/groups/464,members22:02
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kevinbenton:'(22:02
armaxwe all hail to Cesar22:02
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armaxpraise his legacy22:02
carl_baldwin:(22:02
dougwigfrom drivers, core, release manager, ?22:02
dougwigneutron?22:02
armaxthis comes at a good time22:02
armaxdougwig: don’t freak out22:02
armaxjust the drivers team22:03
dougwigno, it was just a question. :)22:03
armaxfor now, I guess anyway22:03
kevinbentonoh, good22:03
armaxsorry, I posted a link22:03
kevinbentoni thought he was quitting everything22:03
armaxto the drivers team22:03
armaxI would not make that announcement here now would I?22:03
armaxcome on guys22:03
armaxbe sharp!22:03
armax:)22:03
dougwigoh, it's our fault you were unclear.  i see.  :)22:03
kevinbentonwell if it was from everything this would be a good place to announce it anyway :)22:03
armax:)22:03
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armaxmestery has decided to step down from the drivers team due to other committments22:04
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kevinbenton:'(22:04
armaxbetter?22:04
dougwigmuch22:04
jreevesprecision is a virtue22:05
ihrachysbreaking change. someone please revert.22:05
carl_baldwinStill not good news but not as bad22:05
armaxsomeone goes another one comes22:05
armaxwe’ll look into extending the team22:05
kevinbentoni would like to nominate armax22:05
armaxand if any of you on the drivers team as of today wants to take a leave of absence22:06
armaxplease reach out to me22:06
* armax too22:06
kevinbentonack22:06
armaxbear in mind that if the drivers team dries up, this means we switchs to bug fixes22:06
armaxand no longer accept features :)22:06
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armaxI leave you to figure out whether I am kidding or not22:07
dougwigi've lost the ability to tell when you're kidding.22:07
armaxI am coy that way22:07
kevinbentondougwig: i think armax has too22:07
armaxkevinbenton: PTL-dom does that to you22:08
armaxanyhoo22:08
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armaxone thing I wanted to mention today was handling deprecation of config variables and behavior in a way that’s more trackable22:09
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armaxright now the process is pretty loose22:09
armaxin that we may decide to issue a deprecation warning, we usually follow up one/two cycles for removal22:10
armaxwe release note etc22:10
armaxand we sometimes reach out for operator/user feedback22:11
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armaxbut it’s difficult right to see really quickly what we decided to deprecate in any given cycle and what countermeasure we provide22:11
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amuller#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/291360/22:12
armaxamuller: attaboy22:12
armaxyou must have though: ‘dude get to the point'22:12
amuller:)22:12
armaxthought22:13
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dougwigas someone who recently upgraded a cloud from juno -> kilo -> liberty, i will add that we openstack devs deprecate config flags WAY TOO FRIGGING OFTEN. it's a royal pain.22:13
armaxbut that’s only the first step22:13
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armaxright, and we need to manage the communication and feedback a little better22:13
dougwigand avoid just doing it for cosmetic reason.22:14
armaxwe were almost dropping the ball on this one22:14
armaxhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/150235622:14
openstackLaunchpad bug 1502356 in neutron "max_fixed_ips_per_port appears to be unnecessary" [Low,Fix released] - Assigned to Kevin Benton (kevinbenton)22:14
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armaxand I stumbled upon it by ‘accident’22:14
armaxnow we’re still trying to figure out what to do on this one, but for starter this didn’t have a release note22:14
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kevinbentonrelease notes didn't exist22:14
armaxkevinbenton: they did22:15
armaxkevinbenton: it’s mitaka22:15
kevinbentononly in an abstract sense :)22:15
armaxkevinbenton: and reno was already in place22:15
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ihrachyskevinbenton: then that should have been partial fix ;)22:15
armaxkevinbenton: I am not blaming you22:15
armaxkevinbenton: we are only human22:15
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armaxkevinbenton: we’re bound to make mistakes, that’s why we have code janitors and trivial fixers22:15
* carl_baldwin thought kevinbenton was more than human.22:16
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kevinbentonhttps://github.com/openstack/neutron/commit/271d3c1faed1103cc7489323728edaa037709e0d22:16
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kevinbentoni request the court heretoforth read the commit date22:16
armaxand I think that in the best possible way22:16
kevinbentonon said patch22:16
kevinbentonand then the merge date of this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/230696/22:16
kevinbenton:)22:16
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kevinbentonI PLEAD THE 5TH!22:17
armaxkevinbenton: dude, no-one is putting you to trial!22:17
armax:)22:17
amullerkevinbenton: I think the 5th was removed from the stadium22:17
armaxkevinbenton: you’re the one pleading guilty with all this fuss!22:17
armax:)22:17
armaxI am only taking that as an example22:17
* ihrachys is amuzed by his own comment at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/230696/1//COMMIT_MSG22:17
njohnstonIf the gate fits, you must commit!22:18
kevinbentonnjohnston: ha!22:18
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armaxwhat counts is that we got this in time22:18
kevinbentonihrachys: whoops, forgot to add the docimpact22:18
kevinbenton:)22:18
armaxso kevinbenton you’re guilty and charged if you don’t follow up now!22:18
kevinbentonarmax: but release notes didn't exist. i think there is something that says you can't be charged for something that wasn't illegal when you did it!22:19
armaxyou did add the it22:19
ihrachyskevinbenton: not that one; you actually added docimpact22:19
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* kevinbenton will write a release note for this22:19
armaxam I talking jibberish?22:19
* dougwig wonders when the yak shaving about reno merging will stop.22:19
* carl_baldwin notes this still sounds like a trial but it shouldn't.22:19
armaxit clearly isn’t :)22:20
armaxI seek your opinion on the matter22:20
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armaxand I wonder if you think that closing a potential loophole is worth pursuing22:21
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carl_baldwinI think that providing better communication and avoiding dropping the ball is good.22:22
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armaxwe need to figure out a sane way to do that, but that’s the intention22:23
dougwigknowing kevin, he's probably writing the reno patch right now rather than talking about it.22:23
armaxmost likely22:23
amullerarmax: did you have a process in mind?22:24
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armaxI haven’t formulated one yet, but I think it would go down like this22:24
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armaxwe’ll have period checks/updates (on a per-milestone basis?) on what’s been deprecated/removed in any given cycle22:25
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armaxI’ll put together a script to pull this stuff from gerrit and launchpad22:26
amullerjust using the launchpad API, assuming we have the deprecation tag in place22:26
amuller?22:26
armaxamuller: right22:26
amullerthen send an email to openstack-operators with the list?22:26
armaxyes, and watching the bug reports for feedback too22:26
armaxin case it shows up there22:26
amullerI think that's more than reasonable, it's a pretty light weight process22:27
armaxihrachys: so let’s figure out how to integrate this in your patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/291288/22:27
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armaxlet’s all praise ihrachys for starting this by the way22:27
armaxihrachys: or I can simply follow up22:28
ihrachysarmax: you are absolutely welcome to do while I will maybe sleep22:28
amullerihrachys++22:28
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armaxam I, aren’t I?22:28
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armax:)22:28
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armaxI did expand on deputy duties already here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/291361/22:29
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armaxihrachys: people don’t seem to like you22:30
armaxonly amuller praised22:30
armaxihrachys: sorry22:30
ihrachysarmax: that's ok, they are just too shy of my magnificence22:30
armaxihrachys: it might be it22:30
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carl_baldwinattaboy ihrachys22:31
armaxok, one more thing I had in mind before I let you get back to your busy lives22:31
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armaxdoes anyone of you have an update on rossella_s’ script to pull up a release dashboard?22:31
ihrachysI remember she was working on getting it hosted and triggered in infra22:32
armaxlast time I recall infra gave us a mechanism to publish the dashboard periodically22:32
armaxihrachys: can I get a status update?22:32
armaxrossella_s: ^22:32
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ihrachys#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/284281/22:32
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armaxcool, I’ll dig into it22:32
armaxthanks ihrachys22:32
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ihrachysI don't have details, but I guess we wait for that to merge22:33
armaxunderstood22:33
ihrachysyour weight in infra circles may help to get it in ;)22:33
armaxthen we can make changes to the script that generates the dashboard and everything works automagically?22:33
dougwigi've still got it hosted in the meantime.22:33
armaxthanks dougwig22:33
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ihrachysarmax: probably. honestly, we better ask Rossella ;) I can get to her with that when she comes here to Brno on Mon :)22:34
armaxihrachys: sure22:35
armaxok, I have nothing else on my plate22:35
dougwigthat dashboard in infra will be nice going forward.22:36
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armaxyup22:36
armaxremember that next week we’ll cut RC122:36
armaxso if there’s anything critical to be released22:37
dougwigafter that, COKE1, then PEPSI122:37
* dougwig goes back into his hole.22:37
armaxplease scrub your gerrit/launchpad dashboards22:37
armaxto make sure we have nothing that falls through the cracks22:37
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armaxdougwig: come back22:37
armaxanything else?22:38
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carl_baldwinNot from me.  Anxious to go scrub.22:38
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armaxtwo22:39
armaxthree22:39
armaxbye then22:39
armax#endmeeting22:39
ihrachysciao22:39
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