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| thinrichs | Hi all. | 00:01 |
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| thinrichs | It's *actually* now time for Congress | 00:01 |
| ramineni_ | thinrichs: hi | 00:02 |
| thinrichs | ramineni, masahito: ekcs, tsandall, and I just had the meeting | 00:02 |
| masahito | hi | 00:02 |
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| thinrichs | because we forgot about daylight savings in the US | 00:02 |
| thinrichs | So we'll have it again. | 00:02 |
| thinrichs | At the proper time. | 00:02 |
| thinrichs | I think this problem happens to me every 6 months. :) | 00:02 |
| masahito | :) | 00:02 |
| thinrichs | Here is the agenda… | 00:03 |
| madhumohan | hi | 00:03 |
| thinrichs | madhumohan: hi! Long time no see. | 00:03 |
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| thinrichs | madhumohan: glad to have you! | 00:03 |
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| thinrichs | 1. Congress-related talks at the Austin summit | 00:04 |
| thinrichs | 2. PTL election season | 00:04 |
| thinrichs | 3. Status updates | 00:04 |
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| thinrichs | For (1) I'll refer everyone to the log. | 00:04 |
| thinrichs | There are 4 back-to-back talks related to Congress. | 00:04 |
| thinrichs | on Thu in Austin. | 00:04 |
| thinrichs | fabiog, masahito, JK are all giving talks that in some way mention congress | 00:05 |
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| thinrichs | Then there's a talk on watcher, which is similar to Congress in that it monitors the state of other openstack projects. | 00:05 |
| thinrichs | But it runs some optimization algorithms to improve overall usage of resources. | 00:05 |
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| thinrichs | (Forgot to start the meeting…) | 00:06 |
| thinrichs | #startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting | 00:06 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 17 00:06:44 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is thinrichs. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:06 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:06 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'congressteammeeting' | 00:06 |
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| thinrichs | Note for those reading the logs: we're having a 2nd instance of the meeting since some of us forgot about daylight savings. | 00:07 |
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| thinrichs | Here are the details about the congress talks… | 00:08 |
| thinrichs | Thu 28 11:00a - 11:40a | 00:08 |
| thinrichs | Enforcing Application SLAs with Congress and Monasca (fabiog) | 00:08 |
| thinrichs | Thu 28 11:50a-12:30 | 00:08 |
| thinrichs | Congress in NFV-based Mobile Cellular Network Fault Recovery (masahito) | 00:08 |
| thinrichs | Thu 28 1:30-2:10p | 00:08 |
| thinrichs | Policy Canvas: Draw your policies for OpenStack services (JK) | 00:08 |
| thinrichs | Thu 28 2:20-3:00p | 00:08 |
| thinrichs | Watcher a Resource Manager for OpenStack: Plans for the N-release and beyond (Congress sibling) | 00:08 |
| thinrichs | Mark them down on your calendars so you don't miss out. | 00:08 |
| fabig | hi sorry guys I am late | 00:08 |
| thinrichs | fabig: no problem | 00:08 |
| thinrichs | I was just pointing out that you've got a talk in Austin about Monasca and Congress | 00:08 |
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| thinrichs | Also for Austin... | 00:09 |
| thinrichs | We have been allocated 3 working sessions: smaller rooms where we can have design discussions amongst the team and possibly a few others. | 00:09 |
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| thinrichs | We also have 1 fishbowl room: a larger one where the goal is to get broader participation | 00:09 |
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| thinrichs | When asked about what we'd use it for I suggested having a discussion about different integrations with other projects: Monasca for sure, possibly Nova, Keystone | 00:10 |
| fabig | thinrichs: maybe having the policy delegation to other project could be a good topic too | 00:11 |
| thinrichs | fabig: yep | 00:11 |
| fabig | thinrichs: like how to instruct Nova or Neutron to enforce something that Congress has set-up | 00:11 |
| thinrichs | fabig: yep | 00:11 |
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| thinrichs | I think there's plenty to discuss | 00:12 |
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| thinrichs | Any questions/comments? | 00:13 |
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| masahito | thinrichs: Mainly what day's we have room? | 00:14 |
| masahito | s/day's/days/ | 00:14 |
| thinrichs | masahito: we don't know about the rooms yet, | 00:14 |
| masahito | thinrichs: got it. | 00:15 |
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| thinrichs | but I did request our rooms not to be scheduled at the same time as any of those talks | 00:15 |
| thinrichs | #topic PTL elections | 00:16 |
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| madhumohan | Is remote participation feasible this time for the design summits? | 00:16 |
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| thinrichs | madhumohan: usually not, just because there aren't phones, video-conference equipment | 00:16 |
| thinrichs | etherpad is possible, of course | 00:17 |
| thinrichs | and I think that's what most teams do, | 00:17 |
| thinrichs | but it's also pretty difficult to keep the etherpad up to date with the discussion that's happening | 00:17 |
| thinrichs | What we usually do is put the topics into the etherpad so that people can put their questions/comments about the topic into the etherpad. | 00:18 |
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| thinrichs | Then we can be sure to discuss them and try to capture the part of the discussion relevant to that question in the etherpad. | 00:18 |
| thinrichs | I was thinking we'd spend 1 session on the distributed architecture, working out any details that are left. | 00:19 |
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| thinrichs | And then 1 session on how we might use that architecture to deploy Congress with HA and high-throughput. | 00:20 |
| ekcs | is it feasible to do a public livestream? | 00:20 |
| ekcs | then others can follow and participate via etherpad / irc | 00:20 |
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| thinrichs | ekcs: there aren't usually phones/vidoe, which would mean someone would try to (furiously) transcribe the discussion into the etherpad | 00:21 |
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| ekcs | I mean livestream by webcam/microphone sent out over internet | 00:21 |
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| tsandall | you could have a laptop in the room with a hangout open | 00:22 |
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| tsandall | but i guess there's no infrastructure for that so it be pretty best-effort... | 00:22 |
| ekcs | yea just comes down to how much bandwidth we’ll have. | 00:22 |
| thinrichs | And how flakey the hotel wireless is | 00:23 |
| thinrichs | So we'll need to play it by ear once we get there, | 00:23 |
| ekcs | got it. | 00:23 |
| thinrichs | but we can definitely set up the etherpads in advance | 00:23 |
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| thinrichs | Moving on… | 00:24 |
| thinrichs | #topic PTL election | 00:24 |
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| thinrichs | PTL election season is here. | 00:24 |
| thinrichs | I'm running again this cycle, but if anyone else is interested in running, please do so. | 00:24 |
| thinrichs | I'm happy to talk with people about what is entailed, how much work is involved, etc. | 00:24 |
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| thinrichs | Just let me know either now, by email, whatever | 00:24 |
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| thinrichs | Deadline is soon, so don't wait. | 00:25 |
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| thinrichs | Questions, comments? | 00:25 |
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| thinrichs | #topic Mitaka release | 00:26 |
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| thinrichs | I see no code in review that should be merged before mitaka. | 00:27 |
| thinrichs | Does anyone know of any bugs that need to be fixed before Mitaka? | 00:27 |
| thinrichs | More generally, how is your testing going? | 00:27 |
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| ramineni_ | thinrichs: im trying to get that congress_ha tempest tests working , but strangely it works fine in local env, but fails in gate | 00:28 |
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| thinrichs | ramineni_: are those the tests that spin up another instance of Congress? | 00:29 |
| ramineni_ | thinrichs: yes | 00:29 |
| thinrichs | Are you running it locally and using a virtualenv? | 00:29 |
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| ramineni_ | thinrichs: not using venev | 00:30 |
| thinrichs | If you run ./run_tempest -N … then you're NOT using a virtualenv | 00:30 |
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| ramineni_ | thinrichs: actually both, i tried with tox too, which uses venev .. then also it works | 00:30 |
| ramineni_ | thinrichs: both commands owrk in my env | 00:30 |
| thinrichs | In the gate, tempest always runs in a virtualenv | 00:30 |
| thinrichs | Hmmm. | 00:30 |
| thinrichs | Permissions? | 00:31 |
| ramineni_ | thinrichs: ill check on that again, resolved some issues related to tests , but havent got fully functional yet | 00:31 |
| thinrichs | Does the 2nd Congress instance start up properly? | 00:31 |
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| ramineni_ | thinrichs: ya, i can see the pid, ill add some logging again to get the deatils why it fail in gate | 00:32 |
| thinrichs | ramineni_: sounds good. | 00:33 |
| ramineni_ | thinrichs: it would have been esier , if it fails in local env too :) | 00:33 |
| thinrichs | I don't have any better advice for you. | 00:33 |
| thinrichs | When I ran into this, I found the most important thing in making progress was figuring out how to make it fail locally | 00:33 |
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| thinrichs | ramineni_: let me know if you want to bounce ideas off someone. That can get frustrating quickly, so don't hesitate to reach out. | 00:34 |
| ramineni_ | thinrichs: sure, thanks | 00:35 |
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| thinrichs | masahito: how's your testing going? Had a chance to do some manual testing of the push driver? | 00:35 |
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| masahito | I tested push-driver and overall it works well. | 00:36 |
| thinrichs | masahito: cool! | 00:36 |
| masahito | I just find one bug that already resolved. | 00:36 |
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| thinrichs | ekcs was asking if we had a script of manual tests that we run before a release | 00:37 |
| thinrichs | I said I'd try to record some of the manual tests that I run. | 00:37 |
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| thinrichs | It'd be good if we had a couple push tests too. | 00:37 |
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| thinrichs | masahito: do we have a CLI command for pushing data into the server? | 00:38 |
| masahito | no | 00:38 |
| thinrichs | masahito: Unless there's a reason we don't want that CLI command, let's add one in Newton. | 00:39 |
| masahito | because we don't have an impl for push driver | 00:39 |
| thinrichs | We don't have any drivers that let you push data in? | 00:40 |
| masahito | right. | 00:40 |
| thinrichs | How did you test it? | 00:40 |
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| masahito | ooh. I have one that I've not pushed to gerrit yet. | 00:40 |
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| masahito | I mean we don't have any driver in *master* of Congress community. | 00:41 |
| thinrichs | Is it a lot of code? Does it make sense to merge even a really simple one by Mitaka? | 00:41 |
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| ekcs | I wonder if it’s easy to make a TestPushDriver. | 00:42 |
| masahito | The driver is related to my presentation. | 00:42 |
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| thinrichs | I was thinking that a simple driver where people can push whatever data, and then write policy over that data. | 00:43 |
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| thinrichs | I think we'd just need to implement a driver with 1 method, right? | 00:43 |
| thinrichs | The only tricky bit was computing the schema. | 00:43 |
| thinrichs | But we could hack something in for that. | 00:44 |
| masahito | It's not a lot of code, but the schema of its translator isn't fixed yet. | 00:44 |
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| masahito | thinrichs: right. | 00:45 |
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| thinrichs | masahito: can you take an action item to explain what is necessary to the rest of us, so we can figure out whether to add something? | 00:45 |
| thinrichs | Maybe start a thread on the mailing list | 00:46 |
| masahito | thinrichs: got it. | 00:46 |
| thinrichs | We need to make the decision soon, and I think having a simple push driver in place would be worth the risk of a bug. | 00:46 |
| thinrichs | #action: masahito will follow up on whether to add a push driver for Mitaka | 00:46 |
| thinrichs | Anyone else have anything for Mitaka? | 00:47 |
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| ekcs | I just ran into this: This bug hasn't quite been fixed completely. When I use an unknown name before the :, I get the misleading "rule already exists error" | 00:47 |
| ekcs | https://bugs.launchpad.net/congress/+bug/1553433 | 00:47 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1553433 in congress ""Rule already exists" error when using non-existent named parameter" [Undecided,Fix released] - Assigned to Anusha (anusha-iiitm) | 00:47 |
| thinrichs | I'm planning to do some manual testing this week. | 00:47 |
| ekcs | Not exactly sure what's the correct behavior because when we use an unknown name we don't know whether it's a datasource or not. | 00:47 |
| ekcs | I'll re-open the bug when we're done. | 00:47 |
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| thinrichs | ekcs: Rejecting the rule is correct, but it's a misleading error message? | 00:48 |
| ekcs | yup. like this. | 00:48 |
| ekcs | $ openstack congress policy rule create classification ' | 00:48 |
| ekcs | a :- blah:w(id=y)' | 00:48 |
| ekcs | Rule already exists::(1008) Rule already exists (HTTP 409) (Request-ID: req-f5b5f25a-40cc-4278-ad7b-cc49d9a72779) | 00:48 |
| thinrichs | What if you insert... | 00:48 |
| thinrichs | a :- blah:p(x) | 00:49 |
| thinrichs | Same problem? | 00:49 |
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| thinrichs | That is, is this related to column refs or not? | 00:49 |
| ekcs | That works fine. The issue is we can’t do column ref elimination. | 00:49 |
| ekcs | you did a fix that rejects any column references outright for something that’s a policy table. | 00:50 |
| ekcs | and give this message. $ openstack congress policy rule create classification 'a :- action:w(id=y)' | 00:50 |
| ekcs | Syntax error for rule::Literal action:w(id=y) uses column references, but 'action' does not reference a datasource policy (HTTP 400) | 00:50 |
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| thinrichs | I'd think we'd want the same error message for your case, right? | 00:51 |
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| ekcs | but the fix didn’t apply to unknown name before the : | 00:51 |
| thinrichs | Seems like there's a case we're missing then. | 00:51 |
| ekcs | Right. | 00:51 |
| thinrichs | Got it. | 00:51 |
| thinrichs | So that should be a simpl-ish fix. | 00:51 |
| thinrichs | Right? | 00:51 |
| ekcs | think so. | 00:51 |
| thinrichs | Sounds good. | 00:51 |
| thinrichs | Let's open it up for discussion the last few minutes. | 00:52 |
| thinrichs | #topic open discussion | 00:52 |
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| thinrichs | Almost forgot... | 00:53 |
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| thinrichs | Our outstanding items before being ready with the Mitaka release... | 00:54 |
| thinrichs | 1. ekcs's fix | 00:54 |
| thinrichs | 2. masahito's push driver | 00:54 |
| thinrichs | 3. thinrichs's testing pass | 00:54 |
| thinrichs | 4. other testing | 00:54 |
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| thinrichs | If we're all still busy testing, there's no pressure to cut a release candidate and open master for non-mitaka commits. | 00:55 |
| thinrichs | So I'd propose working through at least 1 and 3 before cutting a release candidate. | 00:55 |
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| thinrichs | If (1) and (3) go well, we go ahead and cut the release branch and reopen master. | 00:56 |
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| thinrichs | How does that sound? | 00:56 |
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| ekcs | souds good. | 00:56 |
| thinrichs | masahito, ramineni_, tsandall, fabig: what do you think? | 00:57 |
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| masahito | sounds good. | 00:57 |
| fabig | +1 | 00:57 |
| ramineni_ | sounds good | 00:57 |
| tsandall | +1 | 00:57 |
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| thinrichs | Good. | 00:57 |
| thinrichs | Anything else to discuss with our remaining 3 minutes? | 00:58 |
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| thinrichs | Thanks all! | 00:59 |
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| thinrichs | Just noticed: only hours left to become a PTL candidate! | 00:59 |
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| thinrichs | #endmeeting | 01:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 17 01:00:57 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 01:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2016/congressteammeeting.2016-03-17-00.06.html | 01:01 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2016/congressteammeeting.2016-03-17-00.06.txt | 01:01 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/congressteammeeting/2016/congressteammeeting.2016-03-17-00.06.log.html | 01:01 |
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| ujuc | hi | 13:00 |
| katomo | Hi! | 13:01 |
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| doug-fish | hello | 13:01 |
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| ianychoi | Hi! | 13:01 |
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| Daisy | #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting | 13:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 17 13:01:40 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Daisy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:01 |
| Daisy | Sorry for the late | 13:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 13:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting' | 13:01 |
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| corin-fr | hi | 13:02 |
| adiantum | hi | 13:02 |
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| -amotoki- lurks | 13:02 | |
| Daisy | sorry | 13:03 |
| Daisy | Just in openstack-infra, talking about the login issue. | 13:03 |
| Daisy | ok. Let's start | 13:03 |
| Daisy | We have a big team today. | 13:03 |
| Daisy | #topic Mitaka translation update | 13:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Mitaka translation update (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Meeting)" | 13:04 | |
| Daisy | I know we are all blocked by the login issue. | 13:04 |
| Daisy | Hope we can fix it tonight. | 13:04 |
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| Daisy | ianychoi have submitted a roll back patch. | 13:04 |
| Daisy | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/293998 | 13:05 |
| katomo | thanks, ianychoi | 13:05 |
| Daisy | So at least, we can rollback. | 13:05 |
| Daisy | because of the time difference, infra guys wake up but zanata guys sleep. | 13:05 |
| Daisy | so, the last choice is to rollback. | 13:05 |
| ianychoi | katomo, it is my pleasure. (So late for my identification that openstackid production version was changed..) | 13:06 |
| ujuc | 👍 | 13:06 |
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| Daisy | Today there are 5 projects have RC1 cut | 13:07 |
| doug-fish | ianychoi: congrats on becoming the i18n team infra expert! | 13:07 |
| Daisy | and 3 of them have discussed with me or within ML about the release plan. | 13:07 |
| adiantum | ianychoi: kudos =) | 13:07 |
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| Daisy | All of the 3 projects plan to make RC2 cut next week. I'm trying to negotiate. I'm trying to have them cut RC2 in March 28. | 13:09 |
| ianychoi | doug-fish and adiantum Thanks :) | 13:09 |
| Daisy | All the projects are server projects. I think UI projects like Horizon may be a little late. That's fine. | 13:10 |
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| katomo | hm | 13:11 |
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| Daisy | All the projects which have RC1 cut now are server projects. | 13:11 |
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| Daisy | How is the translation progress then? Do you have problem to finish them by March 28 ? Any questions with the translation plan ? | 13:13 |
| Daisy | btw, the translation website is still under going. It's not ready now. | 13:13 |
| katomo | good progress in Japanese. | 13:13 |
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| Daisy | thanks, katomo . | 13:14 |
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| Daisy | any problems working with IBM translators ? | 13:14 |
| amotoki | do you all really need alternative translation check site? | 13:14 |
| adiantum | good progress on high priority projects in russian | 13:14 |
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| Daisy | thank you, adiantum | 13:14 |
| Daisy | amotoki: you mean, translation check website ? | 13:15 |
| amotoki | yes. I am sharing it with japanese team | 13:15 |
| katomo | Daisy: works well. we talk at our Gitter chat room. | 13:15 |
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| corin-fr | Good progress for French too, thanks to IBM translators, | 13:15 |
| amotoki | it is sometimes down but works most time | 13:15 |
| Daisy | amotoki: you mean, you can provide an alternative translation check site ? | 13:15 |
| Daisy | thank yo, corin-fr | 13:16 |
| Daisy | s/yo/you | 13:16 |
| amotoki | Daisy: yes | 13:16 |
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| Daisy | wow, if you can, that's great! | 13:16 |
| ujuc | +1 <~~ | 13:16 |
| amotoki | Daisy: one limitation is it is not periodically update | 13:16 |
| amotoki | *updated | 13:16 |
| katomo | amotoki: good suggestion, thanks | 13:16 |
| Daisy | it's acceptable, I think. | 13:16 |
| corin-fr | At first, we had misunderstanding because IBM translators wanted to "book" some projects for themselve only, but that was discussed and seems ok now.. | 13:16 |
| katomo | me, too | 13:17 |
| Daisy | corin-fr: thanks for the communication. I understood. There is few experience for IBM translators to work in community. We need to coach them. | 13:17 |
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| amotoki | for japanese case, we are in a phase to push translations. | 13:18 |
| katomo | corin-fr: same situation in Japanese team :) But we talked. | 13:18 |
| amotoki | in the next step, we need to explore how we can improve translation quality through reivews. | 13:18 |
| Daisy | I think after the first week IBM translators understood the situation. I think they will like the community working styles. More volunteers, less management. | 13:18 |
| amotoki | we don't have enough resources with project knowledge.... | 13:19 |
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| Daisy | amotoki: any ideas with Horizon release plan ? | 13:21 |
| amotoki | Daisy: i haven't checked it yet, but perhaps we will have RC1 this week or early next week | 13:21 |
| amotoki | doug-fish: do you have any information? | 13:21 |
| Daisy | amotoki: ok. | 13:21 |
| doug-fish | amotoki: your understanding is the same as mine - there are a few key bugs left to fix | 13:22 |
| Daisy | amotoki: I think the translation of UI projects can be reviewed from the translation check website. I have no ideas how to test server side messages. Maybe doug-fish have some experiences. | 13:22 |
| amotoki | Daisy: doug-fish: anyway, we will coordinate RC2 date with david-lyle. perhaps the week of Mar 28. | 13:22 |
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| doug-fish | Daisy: in fact, we | 13:23 |
| doug-fish | ve never tested server side messages - just review | 13:23 |
| Daisy | ok, doug-fish | 13:23 |
| Daisy | I know IBM have translation test. Are there translation tests for server side messages ? | 13:23 |
| amotoki | IMO, for server side project, checking their context in the soruce code is most efficient way to review | 13:24 |
| doug-fish | Daisy: the translation test focused on the UI | 13:24 |
| Daisy | ok, got it, doug-fish. Thank you. | 13:24 |
| doug-fish | I don't know of any tests that were performed for server side messages | 13:24 |
| doug-fish | I wrote the test plan, so I'm pretty certain that's the case :-) | 13:24 |
| Daisy | As I know, Zanata doesn't show the locations. Am I right ? | 13:25 |
| katomo | amotoki: I think so, too | 13:25 |
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| Daisy | I mean, the location of the English strings. | 13:25 |
| katomo | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/i18n/check_translation.html | 13:25 |
| amotoki | Daisy: yes at now | 13:25 |
| adiantum | Daisy: you mean code file and line? | 13:26 |
| katomo | amotoki wrote good doc. | 13:26 |
| amotoki | i wrote http://docs.openstack.org/developer/i18n/translation_tips.html | 13:26 |
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| Daisy | maybe we can design a program to feedback translations back into source file, wild imagine. | 13:27 |
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| doug-fish | Daisy: what kind of feedback would you provide? | 13:27 |
| Daisy | doug-fish: I mean, put the translated string back into source file. So reviewers can review how translations fit in the source code. | 13:28 |
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| doug-fish | oh I see | 13:28 |
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| Daisy | doug-fish: just amotoki suggested to review server side translations by checking their context in the source code. | 13:29 |
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| Daisy | Let me change the topic to open discussion | 13:30 |
| amotoki | the reason I suggested so is because most strings in server side projects are exception messages or config strings. | 13:30 |
| Daisy | amotoki: does it mean, only developers who understand the source code can do the review ? | 13:31 |
| doug-fish | inside IBM our reviews focused on reviewing those strings for typos and grammar errors. I'm not sure we'd have identified improper context correctly | 13:31 |
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| amotoki | Daisy: i don't think so, but for better quality it is innevitable. | 13:31 |
| katomo | doug-fish: got it. | 13:32 |
| amotoki | from my experience when I reviewed IBM contribution in LIberty, grammer and types check was not sufficient. | 13:32 |
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| Daisy | amotoki: I think if a pure reviewer , who knows language but don't know the codes, cannot do the context based review. | 13:32 |
| ianychoi | Hmm.. but maybe IBM translators have seen lots of server side messages.. This knowledge would be so helpful I think. | 13:33 |
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| ianychoi | Daisy, can we ask the liasion for server side message contexts? | 13:34 |
| doug-fish | amotoki: this translation community is very special - having individuals who are both technical experts and language experts is a rare situation, which should result in a very good outcome | 13:34 |
| Daisy | ianychoi: IBM translators are pure language translators. I don't think they have more knowledge of OpenStack than you. | 13:34 |
| ianychoi | I see :) | 13:34 |
| amotoki | doug-fish: Daisy: i know it. | 13:34 |
| Daisy | #topic open discussions | 13:34 |
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| amotoki | doug-fish: Daisy: this is the reason I help a lot around UI translations. | 13:35 |
| doug-fish | ianychoi: one of our translators has taken initiative to ask in IRC channels about context for messages ... I'd like to share what she discovered | 13:35 |
| doug-fish | is there an appropriate forum for that? | 13:35 |
| ianychoi | doug-fish, I see, thanks! :) | 13:35 |
| Daisy | doug-fish: you can open an etherpad page, maybe. | 13:35 |
| amotoki | collaboration of pure translators and developers is important. | 13:35 |
| doug-fish | oh that's a good idea | 13:36 |
| Daisy | agree, amotoki | 13:36 |
| ianychoi | +1, amotoki | 13:36 |
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| katomo | yep | 13:36 |
| Daisy | the question is how to connect them ? | 13:36 |
| adiantum | +1 | 13:36 |
| Daisy | how to connect developers and translators. | 13:36 |
| Daisy | ? | 13:36 |
| ujuc | +1 | 13:37 |
| amotoki | in addition, (pure) translators can have technical knowledges through checking openstack-manuals. | 13:37 |
| Daisy | If developers would like to take some translation jobs, like you, things will be very easy. | 13:37 |
| katomo | conversation :) | 13:37 |
| Daisy | amotoki: I agree. | 13:37 |
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| amotoki | openstack-manuals have both english and translated version and they are well reviewed compared to other translations I think. | 13:38 |
| Daisy | amotoki: as I know, some Chinese translators regards translating openstack-manuals as the first step to because they want to learn openstack. | 13:38 |
| doug-fish | I've shared some of the questions and answers here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-translation-segment-descriptions | 13:39 |
| Daisy | amotoki: as I know, some Chinese translators regards translating openstack-manuals as the first step to learn openstack. | 13:39 |
| doug-fish | I know there are more | 13:39 |
| amotoki | Daisy: agree. that's good point | 13:39 |
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| amotoki | in my experience, half or more of quality comes from good understanding in technical areas. | 13:40 |
| katomo | Daisy: yeah, let's translate more docs! | 13:40 |
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| katomo | amotoki: I agree | 13:41 |
| Cristina | Hi! | 13:41 |
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| ianychoi | Hi, Cristina ! | 13:41 |
| amotoki | without technical knowledge (regardless of deeper or not) translators cannot choose appropriate words/terms. | 13:41 |
| Daisy | doug-fish: wow. I think the translator is very responsible. | 13:41 |
| ujuc | hi~ | 13:42 |
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| doug-fish | I've been working with Martine off and on since I started at IBM nearly 20 years ago | 13:42 |
| katomo | Hi, Cristina! | 13:42 |
| doug-fish | she is very detailed and thorough! | 13:42 |
| Daisy | yes, I can see. | 13:42 |
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| amotoki | btw, i would like to discuss about glossary management. | 13:43 |
| Daisy | amotoki: ok. please. | 13:44 |
| katomo | 15 mins :) | 13:44 |
| amotoki | It is about a general process. I don't want to cover context topic (I raised) now. | 13:44 |
| amotoki | how can we update Zanata glossary? | 13:44 |
| amotoki | we have glossaries in gerrit. | 13:44 |
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| amotoki | i want to know how zanata and git repo are synced. | 13:44 |
| Daisy | admin can pack the po files into a zip file, and then upload. | 13:44 |
| doug-fish | -- where are the glossaries in gerrit? | 13:44 |
| amotoki | doug-fish: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/i18n/tree/i18n/locale | 13:45 |
| Daisy | there is no command line support in current version. I don't know if they have in the later version. | 13:45 |
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| katomo | I'd like to use Jenkins jobs to sync with git repo | 13:45 |
| doug-fish | thanks! | 13:45 |
| katomo | hm, no command line... | 13:45 |
| corin-fr | is this documented somewhere ? the process you just described ? | 13:45 |
| amotoki | the i18n team suggested to use git/gerrit for glossary management, but there is no description on the process. | 13:46 |
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| amotoki | for example, how to add a new glossary entry, how to sync entries between the master and language version of glossary, how to update per-language glossary? | 13:46 |
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| amotoki | even though we need to do something manually, the process should be documented. | 13:47 |
| Daisy | http://docs.zanata.org/en/release/user-guide/glossary/upload-glossaries/ | 13:47 |
| corin-fr | yes, that's what I try to understand, how to add/correct entry and sync it... | 13:47 |
| Daisy | we should improve the documents. | 13:48 |
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| amotoki | Can only Zanata admin update the glossaries? | 13:48 |
| amotoki | if so, Zanata admin folks should document it. | 13:48 |
| amotoki | Only they can document it. | 13:48 |
| katomo | http://docs.zanata.org/en/release/user-guide/glossary/glossary-roles-permissions/ | 13:49 |
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| Daisy | katomo: good link. | 13:49 |
| corin-fr | from the link above, do I understand that this is a "all language" import ? | 13:49 |
| corin-fr | a local team can't update by itself ? | 13:49 |
| Daisy | in the future version, there should be another role: glossary admin who can also have the edit right of glossary. | 13:49 |
| katomo | corin-fr: yes, at now | 13:50 |
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| amotoki | so what can each lang coordinator do about their glossary? | 13:51 |
| katomo | On next version, we can each language glossary | 13:51 |
| katomo | *can have | 13:51 |
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| amotoki | I understand the CURRENT Zanata limitation, but the i18n team should provide a way that each language team can control it. | 13:52 |
| amotoki | (even though it is a manual process) | 13:52 |
| corin-fr | yes please | 13:52 |
| Daisy | I think we need a dedicated meeting for glossary discussion. How about we start from the process design and then we review them together ? | 13:53 |
| adiantum | may be using git and git review for glossary management? | 13:53 |
| adiantum | Daisy: +1 | 13:53 |
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| katomo | +1 | 13:53 |
| Daisy | adiantum: that's the initial thoughts. That's why we use git to store glossary. | 13:53 |
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| corin-fr | +1 | 13:54 |
| ianychoi | +1 | 13:54 |
| Daisy | so who would like to design the process ? | 13:54 |
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| Daisy | open an Etherpad page and document the process in mind. And then, we plan a dedicated meeting to discuss on that. | 13:54 |
| amotoki | in gerrit review, what we can do is just to trust each language coordinator and avoid random update of glossary. | 13:54 |
| katomo | If we can wait until next week, I can. | 13:54 |
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| Daisy | Thank you, katomo | 13:55 |
| Daisy | It's not an urgent work. | 13:55 |
| Daisy | We are still in Mitaka translation now. | 13:55 |
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| amotoki | Daisy: katomo: could you two write down what we can do now? | 13:55 |
| Daisy | ok, amotoki . I can do that. | 13:55 |
| katomo | Daisy: okay, thanks. I'll write draft on Etherpad. | 13:56 |
| amotoki | Daisy: thanks. I think it is important to clarify what we can do now. | 13:56 |
| Daisy | Thank you, katomo . Share the link with me. So I can document what we can do. | 13:56 |
| ianychoi | Thanks for katomo +1 | 13:56 |
| corin-fr | yes, thanks katomo | 13:56 |
| adiantum | katomo: thank you =) | 13:57 |
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| amotoki | katomo: thanks | 13:57 |
| Daisy | ok. the time is up for today's meeting. | 13:57 |
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| katomo | okay, thanks, all. see you soon. | 13:58 |
| ianychoi | Thank you all! :) | 13:58 |
| amotoki | thanks | 13:58 |
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| Daisy | Thank you. It's so nice to talk with you. Hope the login issue can be fixed tonight. :) | 13:58 |
| Daisy | See you soon. | 13:58 |
| adiantum | thank you all! | 13:58 |
| corin-fr | thanks, bye! | 13:58 |
| Daisy | #endmeeting | 13:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 17 13:58:43 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2016/openstack_i18n_meeting.2016-03-17-13.01.html | 13:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2016/openstack_i18n_meeting.2016-03-17-13.01.txt | 13:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2016/openstack_i18n_meeting.2016-03-17-13.01.log.html | 13:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 17 15:00:33 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gordc. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| sileht | o/ | 15:02 |
| ildikov | o/ | 15:02 |
| liusheng | o/ | 15:02 |
| llu-laptop | o/ | 15:02 |
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| gordc | let's go and keep this short | 15:03 |
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| gordc | #topic release candidate blockers | 15:03 |
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| gordc | i'm trying to cut a release candidate for us but currently blocked by gate | 15:03 |
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| gordc | currently i'm planning to tag what we have as is. | 15:03 |
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| gordc | has anyone run into any issuess? | 15:04 |
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| gordc | i'll take crickets as a no | 15:05 |
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| gordc | feel free to raise to ML or mark bugs as critical/high if you see anything weird | 15:05 |
| gordc | nadya: did you ever test this? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/275741/ | 15:06 |
| patchbot | gordc: patch 275741 - ceilometer - improve notification processing | 15:06 |
| gordc | sileht: if you can take a look at it to see if it makes sense. we can backport it if anything. | 15:07 |
| gordc | #topic summit planning | 15:07 |
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| nadya | gordc: yes, I did | 15:07 |
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| nadya | gordc: ah, it's another one | 15:07 |
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| gordc | yeah, it's a bigger change. but i'm not sure it's absolutely necessary but feel free to review and we can backport | 15:08 |
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| gordc | re: summit | 15:08 |
| nadya | gordc: let me try to do it tomorrow. I found that the agent works much better with 1 thread for executor instead of 64 | 15:08 |
| nadya | gordc: ok, I will | 15:08 |
| gordc | i created a etherpad for people to put their design session ideas: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-telemetry-summit-planning | 15:09 |
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| gordc | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-telemetry-summit-planning | 15:09 |
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| gordc | i included all the stuff we didn't finish this cycle in case we want to rediscuss anything | 15:09 |
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| gordc | i'll let the next PTL create voting mechanism. | 15:09 |
| gordc | any question regarding summit? | 15:10 |
| gordc | we have the same amount of sessions as previous summits | 15:10 |
| gordc | #topic open discussino | 15:11 |
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| gordc | #topic open discussion | 15:11 |
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| gordc | awesome. we're done quick. | 15:11 |
| gordc | just an fyi, you have a few hours to put your name in for PTL. | 15:12 |
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| gordc | right now we have two candidates so lucky us, we get to vote | 15:12 |
| nadya | two? | 15:12 |
| nadya | Julien and? | 15:12 |
| gordc | llu-laptop: | 15:12 |
| nadya | ah, cool | 15:13 |
| gordc | good luck to everyone who volunteers. pm for my bank account info | 15:13 |
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| gordc | going to close this off in a few | 15:14 |
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| sileht | gordc, is that your last meeting, or you have 1 left ? | 15:15 |
| gordc | sileht: hmm. i might need to do one more? | 15:15 |
| gordc | need to see when voting ends | 15:15 |
| sileht | gordc, let's drink next week so ;) | 15:15 |
| gordc | :) | 15:16 |
| gordc | drinking in a few.. i'll keep it going until next week | 15:16 |
| KrishR | gordc: thanks for your great work! | 15:16 |
| gordc | voting ends next week after this meeting | 15:16 |
| gordc | so i'll probably be around for however short the meeting is. | 15:16 |
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| gordc | KrishR: thanks | 15:17 |
| gordc | alright. let's close it off until next week | 15:17 |
| ildikov | KrishR: +1 :) | 15:17 |
| gordc | please raise stuff if needed | 15:17 |
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| gordc | thanks everyone! | 15:17 |
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| gordc | #endmeeting | 15:17 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 17 15:17:37 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:17 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telemetry/2016/telemetry.2016-03-17-15.00.html | 15:17 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/telemetry/2016/telemetry.2016-03-17-15.00.txt | 15:17 |
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| oomichi | #startmeeting qa | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 17 17:01:17 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oomichi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: qa)" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 17:01 |
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| oomichi | hi, hi who's here for today? | 17:01 |
| dmellado | o/ | 17:01 |
| raildo | o/ | 17:01 |
| jordanP | hi | 17:02 |
| oomichi | andreaf, sdague, dtroyer, afazekas: around? | 17:02 |
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| rodrigods | o/ | 17:02 |
| oomichi | ok, well lets go through the agenda | 17:02 |
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| dpaterson | o/ | 17:02 |
| oomichi | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Proposed_Agenda_for_March_17th_2016_.281700_UTC.29 | 17:03 |
| oomichi | ^^^ is today agenda | 17:03 |
| oomichi | #topic Specs Reviews | 17:03 |
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| oomichi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/qa-specs,n,z | 17:04 |
| hogepodge | o/ | 17:04 |
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| oomichi | most active specs come from andreaf | 17:04 |
| oomichi | and the other specs are not so active now | 17:04 |
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| dmellado | yep, I owe you some reviews, will try to have that done tomorrow ;) | 17:04 |
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| oomichi | andreaf's ones seem good for me, and I will check the other ones later for cleanup | 17:05 |
| oomichi | dmellado: cool, thanks in advance :-) | 17:05 |
| jordanP | "Add bp tempest-resources" has not been updated for 3 weekens now | 17:05 |
| jordanP | there's a couple of minor comments to address | 17:05 |
| oomichi | jordanP: ah, nice point. but I prefer it :\;) | 17:05 |
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| oomichi | jordanP: ok, will catch andreaf later if we can update for merging | 17:06 |
| oomichi | #action oomichi will catch andreaf for updating tempest-resources bp | 17:06 |
| oomichi | now it is nice time to prepare austin summit, so please propose your idea as spec if having | 17:07 |
| oomichi | does anyone have anything on this topic? | 17:07 |
| oomichi | ok, then lets move on | 17:08 |
| oomichi | #topic Priority Items | 17:08 |
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| oomichi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-qa-priorities | 17:08 |
| oomichi | that is the summary of previous summit | 17:09 |
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| jordanP | topic #10 is "Finalize ssh-auth bp" I think it's an interesting one and we shouldn"t drop it | 17:09 |
| jordanP | hum... jlanoux is not here | 17:09 |
| oomichi | jordanP: ok, do you know current status of that? | 17:09 |
| dmellado | do you think that it'd be on time for mitaka? maybe we should postpone to N1 | 17:09 |
| jordanP | problem is, I don"t know what's missing | 17:10 |
| oomichi | jordanP: heh | 17:10 |
| jordanP | I think/thought, the overall goal is to enable ssh_validation in the gate | 17:10 |
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| jordanP | at the moment, ~6/7 tests are skipped because ssh validation is False in the gate | 17:11 |
| oomichi | jordanP: do we have experimental jobs for enabling that? | 17:11 |
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| dmellado | if not, having one coupled with the changes would be great | 17:12 |
| oomichi | it is nice to check current situation by enabling them temporary | 17:12 |
| jordanP | yes one experiemental job is configured with ssh_validation = True | 17:12 |
| ylobankov | we have the following job gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-full-ssh | 17:12 |
| oomichi | ah, cool | 17:12 |
| oomichi | ylobankov: ah, I see. | 17:12 |
| ylobankov | As far as I know all ssh related tests are enabled there | 17:12 |
| jordanP | yes, that would be great to know how ofter these tests fail | 17:13 |
| jordanP | anyway, let's ping jlanoux and/or andreaf when they are back | 17:13 |
| dmellado | in any case we'll need jflanoux feedback | 17:13 |
| oomichi | yeah, I tried to add some debugging log for ssh thing, but andreaf -1d because we have the job ;) | 17:13 |
| oomichi | jordanP: yeah, will do | 17:14 |
| jordanP | maybe next step is to make that job non voting but that will use a lot of resources | 17:14 |
| oomichi | do we have another items for this topic? | 17:14 |
| oomichi | jordanP: what kind of resource? | 17:15 |
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| oomichi | does that come from andreaf's spec? | 17:15 |
| dmellado | I guess he means in terms on infra ones | 17:15 |
| jordanP | yes, jenkins slave | 17:15 |
| jordanP | VMs | 17:16 |
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| oomichi | jordanP: I got it. yeas, it is necesary to make such job as non-voting | 17:16 |
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| oomichi | ok, lets move to the next topic | 17:17 |
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| oomichi | #topic Tempest | 17:17 |
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| oomichi | raildo: hi | 17:17 |
| raildo | oomichi: hey | 17:18 |
| oomichi | raildo: the first one is your turn :-) | 17:18 |
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| raildo | it will be quicly :) | 17:18 |
| oomichi | can you introduce that? | 17:18 |
| raildo | hi guys, on Mitaka, Keystone team decided to deprecate API v2.0, | 17:18 |
| raildo | since the API v3 it's now the stable API version, this job gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-identity-v3-only-full test this API v3 behavior in the tempest. | 17:18 |
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| raildo | we can see the current job behavior here: http://status.openstack.org/openstack-health/#/job/periodic-tempest-dsvm-neutron-identity-v3-only-full-master?groupKey=project&resolutionKey=hour&duration=P1M so, since this job are running for a while (more that 6 months) and looking in this current behavior, I’m here to propose this job to be voting and add it in the gate too. | 17:18 |
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| raildo | sorry, I'm working most of my time on Keystone, and here to ask for help/tips on this job that Impact our job on it | 17:19 |
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| oomichi | raildo: do you have any patches for qa or infra noww? | 17:19 |
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| oomichi | s/noww/now/ | 17:19 |
| raildo | oomichi: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292894/ | 17:19 |
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| oomichi | raildo: most this team members dont have +2 for infra patches | 17:21 |
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| dmellado | raildo: besides that, you'll need to update this patch, won't you? | 17:21 |
| raildo | dmellado: yes, I just keep the patch wip, to wait for this meeting | 17:21 |
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| raildo | dmellado: following the Andras suggestion... | 17:22 |
| raildo | Andreas* | 17:22 |
| jordanP | I am fine with making it voting | 17:22 |
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| dmellado | same here, seems pretty stable and looks reasonable to me | 17:22 |
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| oomichi | yeah, the job seems stable now | 17:22 |
| dmellado | raildo: could you update the patch as per Andreas comments? I'll review it afterwards | 17:23 |
| raildo | great, so I'll fix the Andreas comments and send a new patch set today | 17:23 |
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| oomichi | raildo: cool, thanks in advance | 17:23 |
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| raildo | dmellado: sure, I'll ping you today :) | 17:23 |
| raildo | thanks guys! | 17:23 |
| oomichi | ok, the next is mine | 17:23 |
| dmellado | np raildo ;) | 17:23 |
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| oomichi | I am proposing to remove negative tests from tempest now | 17:24 |
| jordanP | raildo, but you should be aware that some project (Heat, Nova at least) can only deal with keystone v2 | 17:24 |
| jordanP | raildo, have a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-novaclient/+bug/1522402 | 17:24 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1522402 in python-novaclient "Novaclient does not support v3 Keystone API" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Andrey Kurilin (andreykurilin) | 17:24 |
| jordanP | Keystone is not done with v2 yet | 17:24 |
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| raildo | jordanP: yes, I'm aware on this too, we are working to fix this v2/v3 issues | 17:25 |
| rodrigods | jordanP, hmm ppl need to hurry, v2 is under deprecation | 17:25 |
| jordanP | making v3 job voting is great, but don"t forget that most users/projects are stuck with v2 | 17:25 |
| andreykurilin | jordanP: novaclient works with keystone v3, but it doesn't have several default values :) | 17:25 |
| dstanek | oomichi: that sort of confused me. what is the mission for tempest exactly? | 17:25 |
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| oomichi | dstanek: that is integration tests, not corner case tests | 17:25 |
| htruta | jordanP: we are working on improving this support for v3 in a lot of projects | 17:26 |
| jordanP | rodrigods, ppl won't hurry. Heat and Nova can only speak v2 so Keystone should support v2 longer | 17:26 |
| jordanP | htruta, that's good to know | 17:26 |
| htruta | jordanP: v2 won't be removed before Q | 17:26 |
| rodrigods | long deprecation period :P | 17:26 |
| jordanP | ok, back to negative tests then | 17:26 |
| oomichi | dstanek: most negative tests are corner case tests, I am fine to keep some negative tests which are not conner | 17:27 |
| dstanek | oomichi: so no failure scenarios? | 17:27 |
| htruta | jordanP: our next step is to create other gates (even as non-voting) in services like nova, to more accurately identify those issues | 17:27 |
| jordanP | I thin they don"t hurt and some of them are useful | 17:27 |
| rodrigods | ++ | 17:27 |
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| oomichi | dstanek: sorry, what does mean that? | 17:27 |
| dmellado | oomichi: about that I was reading your email and agree on jordanP comments, what would you expect to gain removing them? | 17:27 |
| oomichi | dmellado: nice point. | 17:28 |
| rodrigods | services aren't ready yet to host these kinds of tests too | 17:28 |
| oomichi | there are several merits | 17:28 |
| dstanek | oomichi: for example, maybe in the middle of running an operation keystone isn't available and the service retries. (this is just a strawman) | 17:28 |
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| oomichi | one is to clarify what project problem on the gate by separating tests | 17:28 |
| oomichi | with tempest plugin interface | 17:28 |
| jordanP | oomichi, but the negative tests only take 150 seconds max | 17:29 |
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| jordanP | this is not where we should spend effort | 17:29 |
| ylobankov | For me keeping negative tests in the Tempest tree is not so bad | 17:29 |
| jordanP | we risk to introduce coverage gap, API regression just to save 150 seconds... | 17:29 |
| oomichi | jordanP: 150 sec for all tests | 17:29 |
| jordanP | yes, the 450 negatives tests we have | 17:29 |
| oomichi | oh, nice point | 17:30 |
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| oomichi | then it is reasonable to keep them | 17:30 |
| dmellado | also oomichi | 17:30 |
| dmellado | you were mentioning about having those in each component's repo | 17:30 |
| rodrigods | good | 17:30 |
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| jordanP | negative tests do catch some API consistency. For instance here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/278383/ | 17:30 |
| dmellado | but not every component has alrady them | 17:30 |
| oomichi | is it nice to add more negative tests later? | 17:30 |
| rodrigods | jordanP, ++ | 17:30 |
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| dmellado | s/alrady/already | 17:31 |
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| dmellado | so I think that maybe we could agree on new ones going to each component repo | 17:31 |
| rodrigods | example of API break: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292827/ | 17:31 |
| dmellado | but we'll maintain the ones that we have until them | 17:31 |
| rodrigods | that would be difficult to have if we had this test before | 17:31 |
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| jordanP | well I don't think we should add more. The contrary, we should say no to negative tests by default, but if they are really useful (that's hard to judge, I know) then maybe accept them | 17:31 |
| oomichi | jordanP: it is possible that even if implementing that with tempest plugin | 17:31 |
| oomichi | jordanP: about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/278383/ | 17:32 |
| rodrigods | jordanP, oomichi, can accept while we don't have the infra in the services? | 17:32 |
| jordanP | yes sure. Tempest plugins are great, projects should transition to that | 17:32 |
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| rodrigods | i mean, if the service can't run tests from the tempest plugin yet? | 17:32 |
| jordanP | rodrigods, we need to start to say "no, please do that in your tempest-plugin" | 17:32 |
| oomichi | rodrigods: what project? | 17:33 |
| rodrigods | keystone, for instance | 17:33 |
| jordanP | otherwise projects won't move/adopt the plugin model | 17:33 |
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| dmellado | in terms of that, and sorry for the offtopic, I'd appretiate reviews on the WIP for the neutron one: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/274023/ | 17:33 |
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| rodrigods | jordanP, makes sense | 17:33 |
| rodrigods | but... we would lose some tests during the process | 17:34 |
| dstanek | jordanP: where can i find docs for making a tempest-plugin? | 17:34 |
| oomichi | dmellado: ok, wil check it | 17:34 |
| dmellado | dstanek: | 17:34 |
| dmellado | it's on the tempest dev doc | 17:34 |
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| jordanP | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/tempest/plugin.html | 17:34 |
| dmellado | there you are | 17:34 |
| jordanP | https://opensource.com/business/15/10/creating-a-tempest-plugin-for-openstack | 17:34 |
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| dmellado | jordanP: so there's even an article about that... xD | 17:35 |
| rodrigods | do you have cycles to help on that front dstanek? | 17:35 |
| dstanek | rodrigods: yes | 17:35 |
| jordanP | I will start to softly -1 patches that add long running tests and that aren"t integration/multi project tests | 17:35 |
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| dmellado | but what about the scenario tests | 17:35 |
| dmellado | would it make sense to move them too, to the 'closest' project? | 17:36 |
| rodrigods | dstanek, great, let's start to make this than | 17:36 |
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| rodrigods | dmellado, don't think the idea is to move | 17:36 |
| dstanek | rodrigods: i'll read through the docs tonight | 17:36 |
| rodrigods | but to not add | 17:36 |
| jordanP | dmellado, same. Scenarios are great, we need more of them. But if someone wants to add a 3minutes scenarios that only use Neutron or only Cinder, I would say no | 17:36 |
| dstanek | jordanP: thanks for the links | 17:36 |
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| rodrigods | dstanek, same here | 17:36 |
| oomichi | jordanP: yeah, agree | 17:36 |
| dmellado | jordanP: my concern on that is that we'd need to move some other stuff | 17:37 |
| dstanek | has any project started creating tempest plugins for thier integration testing? | 17:37 |
| jordanP | dteselkin, manila is a good example | 17:37 |
| dmellado | such as creating servers | 17:37 |
| dmellado | to the project 'scenario manager' | 17:37 |
| oomichi | dstanek: ironice also is doing now | 17:37 |
| dmellado | and that's when I think thins start getting blurry | 17:37 |
| dmellado | would it be neutron? nova? | 17:37 |
| dmellado | would neutron need to have nova methods in such 'manager' | 17:38 |
| dmellado | ? | 17:38 |
| oomichi | dmellado: not yet because they are core | 17:38 |
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| jordanP | they can use the current scenario manager | 17:38 |
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| oomichi | dmellado: on current rule, all tests of core projects are kept in tempest | 17:38 |
| dstanek | dmellado: i imagine that this will be somewhat difficult for complicated scenarios | 17:38 |
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| dmellado | dstanek: that's my concern | 17:39 |
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| dmellado | oomichi: then why have we moved tests to neutron, for instance? | 17:39 |
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| oomichi | dmellado: if we need to implement more negatvie tests for them, that would be necessary | 17:40 |
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| rodrigods | jordanP, i'll be working on adding tempest plugins support in keystone, but seems ok to get this in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/294165/ ? | 17:40 |
| dmellado | oomichi: I see | 17:40 |
| dmellado | oomichi: but for instance let's say I'd like to move this scenario test to | 17:40 |
| dmellado | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/217177/ | 17:40 |
| dmellado | neutron repo | 17:41 |
| dmellado | as it uses a neutron feature | 17:41 |
| dmellado | would the plugin handle that? | 17:41 |
| dmellado | maybe I'm missing something on it but there's where I see blurryness ;) | 17:41 |
| oomichi | dmellado: I am not sure at this time | 17:41 |
| jordanP | me neither. But I would say yes | 17:41 |
| jordanP | we shouldn't remove tests from Tempest. But new tests should be added to the projects' repo | 17:42 |
| oomichi | dmellado: but I guess ironice scenario tests have been moved to the repo, so it would be possible | 17:42 |
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| dmellado | oomichi: jordanP cool from now, I'll be helping draft this so I'll get back to you about the process, to see if we could draft some guidelines ;) | 17:42 |
| oomichi | dmellado: I will check the code later | 17:42 |
| dmellado | thanks oomichi ;) | 17:42 |
| oomichi | dmellado: I want to help it for that :) | 17:43 |
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| dmellado | awesome! | 17:43 |
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| dmellado | should we move to next topic now? | 17:43 |
| oomichi | are there any topic now? | 17:44 |
| oomichi | ok, lets move on | 17:44 |
| jordanP | wait, what did we agree about negative tests ? | 17:44 |
| jordanP | :) | 17:44 |
| dmellado | lol | 17:44 |
| dmellado | we're keeping them, aren't we? | 17:44 |
| jordanP | I'll wait for the future PTL to say :) | 17:44 |
| oomichi | jordanP: oh, nice point. how about discussing more it on -dev? | 17:44 |
| jordanP | again ? :) | 17:45 |
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| jordanP | I thought we had the discussion already | 17:45 |
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| oomichi | at least, more negative tests are recommended to add with tempest plugin | 17:45 |
| jordanP | yeah sure | 17:45 |
| jordanP | but what about existent ones ? :) | 17:45 |
| hogepodge | defcore has negative tests as part of the standard, and at our last meeting we decided to not remove them from the standard | 17:45 |
| dmellado | oomichi: jordanP from my point of view we should keep existing ones, and add next ones to their projects | 17:45 |
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| jordanP | dmellado, I agree with you | 17:46 |
| oomichi | the existing ones attract more negative tests | 17:46 |
| ylobankov | dmellado jordanP I agree with you | 17:46 |
| jordanP | then let's say -2 to the new ones | 17:46 |
| jordanP | "please do this in a plugin" | 17:47 |
| oomichi | jordanP: ok, I agree with you | 17:47 |
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| dmellado | sounds like a deal then ;) | 17:47 |
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| oomichi | ok, let's move on | 17:47 |
| jordanP | yes | 17:48 |
| oomichi | #topic DevStack + Grenade | 17:48 |
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| dmellado | hogepodge: that would mean that maybe on the next refstack list the plugins will be have to be taking into consideration | 17:48 |
| dmellado | s/taking/taken | 17:48 |
| dmellado | ;) | 17:48 |
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| hogepodge | dmellado: we're already looking at plugins, and apparently advisory neutron api calls were moved out of tempest recently | 17:48 |
| hogepodge | s/calls/tests/ | 17:49 |
| dmellado | hogepodge: exactly | 17:49 |
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| oomichi | any one have items about this topic? | 17:50 |
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| oomichi | about devstack and grenade | 17:50 |
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| oomichi | ok, lets move on | 17:51 |
| oomichi | #topic Austin Summit | 17:51 |
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| oomichi | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-qa-summit-topics | 17:51 |
| oomichi | the link is for getting ideas for austin summit :) | 17:51 |
| oomichi | it is great to add more ideas on that ;) | 17:52 |
| oomichi | QA team has 4fishballs and 4 working spaces | 17:52 |
| oomichi | meaning 8 slots | 17:52 |
| dmellado | oomichi: would those be for talks or just conversations/workshops? | 17:53 |
| oomichi | dmellado: for discussion of next features | 17:53 |
| dmellado | then let's add a tempest plugin one ;) | 17:53 |
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| oomichi | dmellado: "what is necessary for tempest plugin" or something? | 17:54 |
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| dmellado | sounds totally fine | 17:54 |
| jordanP | tempest-plugin is almost a done deal. We need adoption know | 17:54 |
| jordanP | *now | 17:54 |
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| oomichi | jordanP: yeah, but more readable doc or something is good for adoption. | 17:55 |
| rodrigods | examples | 17:55 |
| jordanP | and a reference implmentation | 17:55 |
| jordanP | yeah examples | 17:55 |
| dmellado | jordanP: I'm saying this as I'm getting ton of questions about that | 17:55 |
| oomichi | yeah, nice | 17:55 |
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| dmellado | from other team's folks, who'd be the users and approvers in the end | 17:56 |
| oomichi | dmellado: that seems nice, can you add it ? | 17:56 |
| oomichi | on the etherpad | 17:56 |
| dmellado | sure | 17:56 |
| oomichi | dmellado: thanks | 17:56 |
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| oomichi | do anyone want to talk about the summit? | 17:57 |
| oomichi | ok, lets move on | 17:57 |
| dmellado | oomichi: about the bbq? ;) | 17:57 |
| oomichi | dmellado: BBQ? | 17:57 |
| dmellado | just joking, but we should organize something there ;) | 17:57 |
| oomichi | dmellado: ah, hehe, I see ;) | 17:58 |
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| oomichi | austin is the best place, I guess ;) | 17:58 |
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| oomichi | #topic Critical Reviews | 17:58 |
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| ylobankov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/275497/ | 17:59 |
| oomichi | are there any patches to be reviewed? | 17:59 |
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| oomichi | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/275497/ | 17:59 |
| ylobankov | not critical, but it is simple patch | 17:59 |
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| ylobankov | and nobody reviews it :( | 17:59 |
| oomichi | ylobankov: I reviewed the similar patch.. | 18:00 |
| rodrigods | not critical too, i have some | 18:00 |
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| dmellado | ylobankov: added to my queue | 18:00 |
| * oomichi de-ja-bu | 18:00 | |
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| oomichi | rodrigods: please :) | 18:00 |
| oomichi | oh, sorry time comes | 18:00 |
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| oomichi | thanks all | 18:00 |
| oomichi | #endmeeting | 18:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 17 18:00:51 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2016/qa.2016-03-17-17.01.html | 18:00 |
| dmellado | thanks! | 18:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2016/qa.2016-03-17-17.01.txt | 18:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2016/qa.2016-03-17-17.01.log.html | 18:00 |
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| jordanP | I have to go | 18:01 |
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| rtheis | osc meeting today? | 19:04 |
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| terrylhowe | o/ | 19:06 |
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| stevemar | o/ | 19:07 |
| stevemar | rtheis: terrylhowe should be | 19:07 |
| stevemar | dtroyer: o/ | 19:07 |
| stevemar | rtheis terrylhowe dtroyer #dstproblems | 19:07 |
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| stevemar | rtheis and terrylhowe we can start without our leader :O | 19:08 |
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| terrylhowe | sure, maybe he’ll be along, I was mostly planning on lurking though | 19:08 |
| stevemar | terrylhowe: we'll keep it short-ish | 19:08 |
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| stevemar | #startmeeting openstackclient | 19:09 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 17 19:09:02 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is stevemar. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:09 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:09 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstackclient' | 19:09 |
| stevemar | dtroyer, dhellmann, stevemar, terrylhowe, lhcheng, dstanek, rtheis, MeganR << ping for osc meeting | 19:09 |
| * dhellmann listens partially | 19:09 | |
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| stevemar | i think osc is long overdue for a bug triage | 19:10 |
| stevemar | but that's aside the point | 19:11 |
| stevemar | let's do reviews / bugs / open discussion | 19:11 |
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| rtheis | bug triage ... yes that would be good | 19:11 |
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| rtheis | sorry, I was drifting off to a review | 19:12 |
| stevemar | rtheis: we could do it together at the summit, or maybe all go on hangouts and do it together | 19:12 |
| stevemar | rtheis: it's all good :) | 19:12 |
| stevemar | #topic reviews | 19:12 |
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| stevemar | rtheis: speaking of reviews, any you have in mind? | 19:12 |
| stevemar | any i should put on my queue that are ready to go? | 19:12 |
| rtheis | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292541/ | 19:13 |
| stevemar | ah yeah | 19:13 |
| stevemar | i saw that earlier | 19:13 |
| stevemar | i still want to create a basic osc plugin package | 19:13 |
| rtheis | Trying to better understand OSC plugin for neutron stadium transition | 19:13 |
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| stevemar | it just works (TM) | 19:13 |
| rtheis | what would the osc plugin package contain? | 19:14 |
| stevemar | everything under common and tests/common | 19:14 |
| stevemar | rtheis: i hadn't updated it in a year :( https://github.com/stevemart/osc-base | 19:15 |
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| rtheis | Idea is for plugins to include that in requirements.txt? | 19:16 |
| stevemar | rtheis: a lot of projects/plugins ended up either calling osc.common.utils.find_resource or... copying and pasting the entire thing | 19:16 |
| stevemar | yeah, include osc-base in requirements instead of full OSC | 19:16 |
| stevemar | (for a plugin) | 19:16 |
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| rtheis | I've seen a mix of plugins including OSC in requirements, test-requirements or neither | 19:16 |
| stevemar | so they don't pull in every single dependency we do | 19:16 |
| stevemar | yeah, thats dangerous | 19:16 |
| rtheis | what should be done today? | 19:17 |
| stevemar | maybe dhellmann has some thoughts on that? | 19:17 |
| stevemar | rtheis: i think plugins should be listing it in requirements | 19:17 |
| rtheis | ok | 19:17 |
| stevemar | but jeez that is a huge dependency | 19:17 |
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| rtheis | yes | 19:18 |
| terrylhowe | sure is the simplest thing to do; it would confusing if osc was installed without something and someone tried to use it | 19:18 |
| terrylhowe | I wrote a plugin a while back and that is what I did | 19:18 |
| stevemar | thats the other side... all these plugins *need* osc to work | 19:18 |
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| stevemar | so... they should like osc as a dependency | 19:18 |
| dhellmann | yeah, listing osc in the requirements for a plugin makes sense | 19:19 |
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| dhellmann | it also gives them a place to declare the version of osc they work with | 19:19 |
| stevemar | dhellmann: yeah, i should send an email blast to all osc plugins telling them to do that | 19:20 |
| dhellmann | stevemar : ++ | 19:20 |
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| stevemar | #action stevemar to send mailing list blast to osc consumers | 19:20 |
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| stevemar | what... action didn't work.. damn | 19:20 |
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| stevemar | oh well :) | 19:20 |
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| stevemar | if folks go and use osc in requirments.txt then creating an osc_base package is pointless | 19:21 |
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| stevemar | rtheis: any other reviews? | 19:21 |
| rtheis | nothing else | 19:21 |
| stevemar | i think i had one... | 19:22 |
| stevemar | we've got https://review.openstack.org/#/c/276350/ chalked up | 19:22 |
| stevemar | apparently it needs a new KSA release to work | 19:22 |
| stevemar | but we can't release that til after RC period happens | 19:23 |
| terrylhowe | important stuff, but broken atm | 19:23 |
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| stevemar | terrylhowe: rtheis i think once that merges we'll have to do a major version bump | 19:24 |
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| stevemar | and warn everyone that things may not be backward compatible | 19:24 |
| terrylhowe | probably a good idea stevemar | 19:24 |
| stevemar | i'm wondering if we can rename our project at the same time :D | 19:24 |
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| stevemar | drop the python- | 19:24 |
| rtheis | stevemar: seems like that patch set should have a release note then | 19:24 |
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| stevemar | rtheis: oh for sure | 19:24 |
| stevemar | rtheis: hehe, thanks for the comment on the patch | 19:25 |
| rtheis | yw | 19:26 |
| stevemar | i think there is more to be removed, mordred had a similar patch | 19:26 |
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| stevemar | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/225318/1 | 19:26 |
| stevemar | anyone brave enough to tackle that patch? :) | 19:28 |
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| rtheis | not I :) | 19:29 |
| stevemar | damn | 19:29 |
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| stevemar | #bugs | 19:29 |
| stevemar | #topic bugs | 19:29 |
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| rtheis | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/276350/ would go in first ? | 19:29 |
| stevemar | any major bugs to talk about? | 19:29 |
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| rtheis | then https://review.openstack.org/#/c/225318/ ? | 19:29 |
| stevemar | rtheis: i believe the two are doing the same thing | 19:30 |
| rtheis | ok | 19:30 |
| rtheis | I don't have any major bugs to discuss | 19:31 |
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| stevemar | the bugs looks mostly OK | 19:31 |
| stevemar | i somewhat regret going along with the bug per command | 19:31 |
| stevemar | its creating a lot of bugs :) | 19:31 |
| rtheis | yeah | 19:31 |
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| terrylhowe | the only reason I started that is so people could jump in and work on things | 19:32 |
| rtheis | hopefully that should be wrapping up for network | 19:32 |
| stevemar | but.. it's alright, everyone is kinda working on them, so it's cool | 19:32 |
| stevemar | yeah, of all the problems to have it's one i can live with | 19:32 |
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| stevemar | #topic open discussion | 19:32 |
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| stevemar | anything else? | 19:32 |
| stevemar | i think by now dtroyer has the info on the amount of workrooms/ fishbowls / meetups we'll have at the summit | 19:33 |
| stevemar | and any other summit-y details | 19:33 |
| rtheis | stevemar: do you know the schedule for those ? | 19:33 |
| stevemar | rtheis: not yet, probably won't come out for another week or two | 19:34 |
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| rtheis | ok | 19:34 |
| stevemar | i haven't been told anything for keystone yet | 19:34 |
| stevemar | oh sheel is still working | 19:34 |
| stevemar | that's not good, it's super late for him | 19:34 |
| stevemar | he is trying to fill the gap for cinder commands | 19:34 |
| sheel | stevemar: hey | 19:35 |
| stevemar | sheel: hey! | 19:35 |
| stevemar | sheel: we have the openstackclient meeting at this time | 19:35 |
| rtheis | yeah, looks of good stuff going in these days | 19:35 |
| stevemar | sheel: it's super late for you :\ | 19:35 |
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| rtheis | * lots | 19:35 |
| sheel | stevemar: yeah | 19:35 |
| rtheis | I don't have any other topics | 19:36 |
| stevemar | sheel: did you have anything you wanted to chat about ? i don't want to keep you up unnecessarily | 19:36 |
| sheel | stevemar: I think no | 19:36 |
| sheel | stevemar: thanks | 19:36 |
| stevemar | sheel: alright, i'll just review your patches :) | 19:36 |
| sheel | stevemar: thank you... | 19:36 |
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| sheel | :) | 19:36 |
| stevemar | np | 19:36 |
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| stevemar | terrylhowe: rtheis: anything else? | 19:37 |
| rtheis | nope | 19:37 |
| stevemar | we can cut this early and throw tomatoes at dtroyer for skipping | 19:37 |
| terrylhowe | nothing here :) | 19:37 |
| stevemar | alright, proceed with pelting our ptl with plump tomatoes | 19:37 |
| stevemar | #endmeeting | 19:38 |
| rtheis | :) | 19:38 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 17 19:38:00 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:38 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2016/openstackclient.2016-03-17-19.09.html | 19:38 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2016/openstackclient.2016-03-17-19.09.txt | 19:38 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstackclient/2016/openstackclient.2016-03-17-19.09.log.html | 19:38 |
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| mriedem | #startmeeting nova | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Mar 17 21:00:31 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mriedem. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| tonyb | o/ | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:00 | |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 21:00 |
| jaypipes | o................/ | 21:00 |
| rlrossit | o/ | 21:00 |
| alaski | o/ | 21:00 |
| * Vek waves | 21:00 | |
| melwitt | o/ | 21:00 |
| doffm | o/ | 21:00 |
| jichen | o/ | 21:00 |
| dansmith | o/ | 21:00 |
| auggy | o/ | 21:00 |
| bauzas | \o | 21:00 |
| jlvillal | o/ | 21:00 |
| DuncanT | Hi | 21:00 |
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| cdent | o/ | 21:00 |
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| mriedem | hi! | 21:01 |
| mriedem | #link agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 21:01 |
| mriedem | #topic Release Status | 21:01 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Release Status (Meeting topic: nova)" | 21:01 | |
| mriedem | #info RC1 released, Hard String Freeze, open master for Newton | 21:01 |
| mriedem | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/089554.html | 21:01 |
| mriedem | #info Apr 4-8, Release week | 21:01 |
| mriedem | #link http://docs.openstack.org/releases/schedules/mitaka.html | 21:01 |
| sarafraj | o/ | 21:02 |
| mriedem | Looking out for release critical bugs, potential release blocker | 21:02 |
| mriedem | #link mitaka-rc-potential bugs https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bugs?field.tag=mitaka-rc-potential | 21:02 |
| mriedem | there are 2 in there right now | 21:02 |
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| dims | o/ | 21:02 |
| mriedem | dansmith: were we going to wait for the xen live migration stuff? | 21:02 |
| raildo | o/ | 21:02 |
| mriedem | didn't sound like it | 21:02 |
| bauzas | mriedem: yeah mdbooth is working on the second one | 21:02 |
| mriedem | bauzas: yup | 21:02 |
| dansmith | mriedem: I think john wants the bottom two patches in for that | 21:02 |
| dansmith | mriedem: I think the refactoring should wait | 21:03 |
| mriedem | dansmith: ok | 21:03 |
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| mriedem | the aggregates one is in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/293393/ | 21:03 |
| mriedem | so that leaves https://review.openstack.org/#/c/293085/ ? | 21:03 |
| mriedem | or also https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292937/ ? | 21:04 |
| dansmith | also the one above | 21:04 |
| dansmith | yeah, the current bottom two | 21:04 |
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| mriedem | # link xenapi live migration fixes https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:lm-fix | 21:04 |
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| mriedem | #link xenapi live migration fixes https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:lm-fix | 21:04 |
| mriedem | #info land the bottom 2 changes for rc2 | 21:04 |
| mriedem | ok, i'll take a look at the 2 +2'ed ones tonight | 21:04 |
| bauzas | so all of them need to be backported | 21:05 |
| bauzas | ? | 21:05 |
| mriedem | no | 21:05 |
| bauzas | oay | 21:05 |
| mriedem | they are regressions in mitaka | 21:05 |
| mriedem | the other stuff is refactor | 21:05 |
| bauzas | mmm, okay, let's discuss that offline | 21:05 |
| bauzas | I was a bit afraid of 5 changes to be backported :) | 21:05 |
| mriedem | we're also waiting for translations for rc2 right? | 21:05 |
| bauzas | yup | 21:05 |
| mriedem | do we know when those show up? | 21:06 |
| dansmith | I thought auggy said 1.5 weeks for that | 21:06 |
| mriedem | next week i heard? | 21:06 |
| dansmith | so not wait | 21:06 |
| mriedem | oh geez | 21:06 |
| bauzas | auggy: have you discussed with the i18n team ? | 21:06 |
| auggy | 10 days after rc1 | 21:06 |
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| mriedem | yikes | 21:06 |
| auggy | since that's the hard string freeze | 21:06 |
| auggy | yeah, that's their official party line | 21:06 |
| mriedem | so, those go into rc3? | 21:06 |
| dansmith | we should not delay rc2 that long I think | 21:06 |
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| thomasem | o/ | 21:06 |
| dansmith | since it has real things in it to be tested | 21:06 |
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| bauzas | agreed | 21:06 |
| bauzas | ops can still check RC1 tho | 21:06 |
| dansmith | as much as I hate to have an rc3 | 21:06 |
| dansmith | bauzas: not xen ops | 21:07 |
| auggy | np, i was going to bring that up, because they are asking when we think they'll get merged | 21:07 |
| mriedem | auggy: the translations? | 21:07 |
| bauzas | dansmith: well, yup | 21:07 |
| auggy | yeah | 21:07 |
| mriedem | probably as soon as they show up | 21:07 |
| auggy | and i suggested RC2 will likely go out next week | 21:07 |
| auggy | they said that's too short of time | 21:07 |
| bauzas | auggy: maybe a first zanata change for RC2 could be nice | 21:07 |
| mriedem | so those go into rc3 then | 21:07 |
| mriedem | we also have translations for stable branches, not sure if that would be an option or not though | 21:08 |
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| mriedem | it would kind of suck to release mitaka with a bunch of missing translations | 21:08 |
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| mriedem | anyway, let's focus on the 2 rc blocker bugs right now | 21:08 |
| bauzas | ... and possibly others to come :) | 21:08 |
| mriedem | #info new newton review priorities etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-priorities-tracking | 21:08 |
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| mriedem | i've been slowly moving things over from the mitaka etherpad and updating it | 21:09 |
| mriedem | but for this week, i'd suggest most people just ignore that | 21:09 |
| mriedem | anything else for release status? | 21:09 |
| mriedem | #topic bugs | 21:09 |
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| mriedem | #link gate status http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/gate.html | 21:09 |
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| mriedem | things are quiet as far as i know | 21:09 |
| mriedem | i have a patch up in infra to remove the gate-tempest-dvsm-full-ceph job since it's redundant with the ceph plugin job | 21:10 |
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| mriedem | we want to get the ceph plugin job voting in nova soonish after the release is done | 21:10 |
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| dansmith | the ceph plugin job has been consistently 5% under base failure rate | 21:10 |
| mriedem | oh it merged https://review.openstack.org/#/c/293130/ | 21:11 |
| dansmith | which is awesome | 21:11 |
| dansmith | for like two weeks now | 21:11 |
| mriedem | yeah, just waiting on the mirror updates i think | 21:11 |
| mriedem | i'll let jbernard harass clarkb about that | 21:11 |
| mriedem | but let's not harass clarkb this week | 21:11 |
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| dansmith | yeah, there has been some gentle prodding | 21:11 |
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| auggy | the only thing i want to point out with translations is we are not the only project affected, the hard timeline of 10 days after RC1 is across the board | 21:12 |
| mriedem | auggy: yeah | 21:12 |
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| mriedem | i don't think it's really news | 21:12 |
| mriedem | or shouldn't be | 21:12 |
| auggy | well it is to me cuz i'm new ;) | 21:12 |
| mriedem | #link third party ci status http://ci-watch.tintri.com/project?project=nova&time=7+days | 21:12 |
| mriedem | auggy: you're no longer new | 21:12 |
| mriedem | i don't have anything for 3rd party ci status | 21:12 |
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| mriedem | vmware seems out to lunch for days at a time | 21:12 |
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| mriedem | i've been poking random nfv ci people on expanding their test runs when patches come up for review | 21:13 |
| mriedem | like resize | 21:13 |
| tjones_zzzz | yes it is - we are ahving some infra issues | 21:13 |
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| mriedem | yeah, just fyi for people | 21:14 |
| mriedem | i poke tjones_zzzz and she pokes random vmware person :) | 21:14 |
| tjones_zzzz | yep | 21:14 |
| tjones_zzzz | glad to be of service ;-) | 21:14 |
| mriedem | #topic reminders | 21:14 |
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| mriedem | #help need volunteers for a week of bug skimming duty https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/BugTriage#Weekly_bug_skimming_duty | 21:14 |
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| mriedem | markus_z and auggy are doing a lot of this themselves | 21:15 |
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| mriedem | i've been trying to stay on top of some of the 'new' stuff each day, since a lot of it comes in as invalid | 21:15 |
| mriedem | 'keystone doesn't start, it's nova's problem!' | 21:15 |
| mriedem | but we need help in this area | 21:15 |
| auggy | we also have bug maintenance tasks that we could use help on - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/nova-bugs-team | 21:15 |
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| bauzas | yeah we need to check new bugs actually more than once per day | 21:16 |
| mriedem | yeah, i reached out to some of the bug smashing organizers in asia and asked them to get people in the 1000 UTC nova bugs meeting | 21:16 |
| mriedem | because markus said no one was showing up to that one | 21:16 |
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| mriedem | yet bug smashing is apparently a big deal for companies after the 3rd milestone :/ | 21:16 |
| mriedem | anywho | 21:17 |
| mriedem | #info no db migrations until https://review.openstack.org/#/c/289450/ is landed | 21:17 |
| mriedem | #topic stable branch status | 21:17 |
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| mriedem | #link stable/liberty https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/liberty,n,z | 21:17 |
| mriedem | #link stable/kilo https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/kilo,n,z | 21:17 |
| mriedem | notable kilo bug, | 21:18 |
| mriedem | #link regression for cve fix in kilo https://review.openstack.org/#/c/294205/ | 21:18 |
| mriedem | we backported some cve fixes and the kilo one was busted i guess, so ^ is to fix that | 21:18 |
| mriedem | i was halfway through it when the meeting started, but could use help | 21:18 |
| tonyb | There are few in that list that could do with another +2 as they're backported by mriedem and I'm not quitre comforatbale fast-tracking them .... | 21:18 |
| mriedem | i've been neglecting kilo reviews, some day we really need to just bring the -2 hammer through there | 21:19 |
| mriedem | and start abandoning stuff | 21:19 |
| tonyb | mriedem: I'll help with that kilo issue | 21:19 |
| mriedem | tonyb: thanks | 21:19 |
| bauzas | mriedem: so, Kilo is not yet EOL planned, right? | 21:19 |
| mriedem | bauzas: there is a date, | 21:19 |
| mriedem | but there is also a summit session for that | 21:20 |
| tonyb | bauzas: I think it's up for discussion in Austin | 21:20 |
| bauzas | with Mitaka going into the bus | 21:20 |
| bauzas | okay | 21:20 |
| bauzas | good to know | 21:20 |
| mriedem | bauzas: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/stable-branch-eol-policy-newton | 21:20 |
| mriedem | light bedtime reading | 21:20 |
| bauzas | woah | 21:20 |
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| bauzas | I prefer Twilight | 21:20 |
| * bauzas jk | 21:21 | |
| mriedem | right... | 21:21 |
| mriedem | #topic stuck reviews | 21:21 |
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| mriedem | there aren't any, and right now i don't think we'd care | 21:21 |
| mriedem | #topic open discussion | 21:21 |
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| mriedem | there is one item | 21:21 |
| tonyb | How's the MTU one going? | 21:21 |
| mriedem | #link austin design summit session ideas https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-summit-ideas | 21:21 |
| mriedem | tonyb: the MTU one is coming along, i haven't looked at it yet today | 21:21 |
| mriedem | it should be backportable | 21:22 |
| mriedem | tonyb: assuming you're talking about the vhost user one? | 21:22 |
| tonyb | mriedem: ok | 21:22 |
| tonyb | mriedem: yeah that one | 21:22 |
| mriedem | so there are already a lot of things in the design summit etherpad | 21:22 |
| mriedem | but check it out if you care or have things to bring up | 21:23 |
| mriedem | anyone else have anything for open discussion? | 21:23 |
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| mriedem | oh, another reminder | 21:23 |
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| mriedem | if you have specs to re-propose for newton, start doing that now | 21:23 |
| mriedem | #info start re-proposing specs from mitaka to newton now | 21:23 |
| mriedem | specifically things that are trivial re-approvals | 21:23 |
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| mriedem | i.e. approved in mitaka but weren't completed | 21:24 |
| mriedem | i'd like to hit the ground running on those in early newton | 21:24 |
| mriedem | while we have mitaka momentum | 21:24 |
| mriedem | ok, now, anything else? | 21:24 |
| dansmith | dear god please no | 21:24 |
| dansmith | I mean.. no. | 21:24 |
| mriedem | on that note, | 21:24 |
| mriedem | ttyl | 21:25 |
| mriedem | #endmeeting | 21:25 |
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| jaypipes | ciao | 21:25 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Mar 17 21:25:03 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:25 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2016/nova.2016-03-17-21.00.html | 21:25 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2016/nova.2016-03-17-21.00.txt | 21:25 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2016/nova.2016-03-17-21.00.log.html | 21:25 |
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| auggy | chow! | 21:25 |
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| HenryG | I am guessing there isn't going to be a neutron-drivers meeting? | 22:02 |
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| ihrachys | that's what I was also wondering | 22:03 |
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| dougwig | daylight savings, late. | 22:23 |
| dougwig | for no meeting, apparently. | 22:23 |
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| HenryG | You need to use a UTC calendar | 22:24 |
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| anteaya | HenryG: I agree | 22:24 |
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| haleyb | HenryG: 22:00 UTC is 6pm EDT :-p | 22:25 |
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| ihrachys | haleyb: so tell me, has it occurred already, or it's still due in e.g. 30 mins? | 22:27 |
| ihrachys | I am confused | 22:27 |
| HenryG | ihrachys: it was supposed to start 27 minutes ago | 22:27 |
| ihrachys | HenryG: I also think so | 22:27 |
| haleyb | what Henry said | 22:27 |
| ihrachys | since it's as per UTC | 22:27 |
| dougwig | i do, but outlook has a stupid bug. for the eavesdrop .ics files, it converts to the local timezone and then sets up the series. and because it's from the ics, then WILL NOT LET YOU EDIT IT. sigh. | 22:28 |
| ihrachys | ok so it's just that chairs are unaware of their TZ? | 22:28 |
| dougwig | ihrachys: armax is in india. | 22:28 |
| ihrachys | dougwig: I won't ask you why you use outlook. I am afraid of the answer. :P | 22:29 |
| dougwig | ihrachys: ha, fair point. stupid exchange server, and too many meetings. nothing else can keep it straight. | 22:29 |
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| HenryG | haleyb: vote for this proposal: http://boston.cbslocal.com/2016/03/10/massachusetts-time-zone-new-england-daylight-savingtime/ | 22:31 |
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