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| dhellmann | #startmeeting releaseteam | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Fri Apr 1 14:01:22 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dhellmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: releaseteam)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'releaseteam' | 14:01 |
| ttx | o/ | 14:01 |
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| dhellmann | courtesy ping: ttx, dims, lifeless, ajiang | 14:01 |
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| dhellmann | that should have been AJaeger | 14:01 |
| dhellmann | our agenda is under R-1 in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-release-tracking | 14:02 |
| dhellmann | #topic dead links on mitaka page | 14:02 |
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| dhellmann | thanks for doing that review, ttx | 14:02 |
| dhellmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/dude-where-are-my-tarballs | 14:02 |
| ttx | I have to admit I found more than I expected | 14:02 |
| dhellmann | we have some fixes in the queue already, some are easy | 14:02 |
| dhellmann | #info fix tarball base setting for a few projects: https://review.openstack.org/300457 | 14:02 |
| dhellmann | some are harder | 14:02 |
| dhellmann | #info drop unpublished murano-apps: https://review.openstack.org/300473 | 14:03 |
| dhellmann | I don't know if we want to do that, or just turn their tarball link setting to "none" | 14:03 |
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| dhellmann | I added that setting for one of the deployment projects (ansible or puppet?) since they don't build tarballs | 14:03 |
| dhellmann | what do you think? delist or just turn off the links? | 14:04 |
| ttx | checking 300457 | 14:04 |
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| ttx | +2 | 14:04 |
| ttx | looking at murano-apps | 14:05 |
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| ttx | We could no-tarball it | 14:05 |
| ttx | as a first step | 14:05 |
| dhellmann | yeah, that feels better, I'll make that update | 14:05 |
| ttx | then discuss with PTL if it makes sense to even list | 14:06 |
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| ttx | what about monasca-thresh | 14:06 |
| dhellmann | yeah, same for astara | 14:06 |
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| dhellmann | I was going to treat monasca-thresh the same way, but haven't submitted that one | 14:07 |
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| ttx | feels like an oversight in the case of monasca-thresh, not even sure how functional monasca is without it | 14:08 |
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| dhellmann | they have a bunch of missing parts to their release build, I need to discuss with rolland when he comes online | 14:08 |
| dhellmann | yeah | 14:08 |
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| ttx | murano-apps is a different animal | 14:08 |
| ttx | it probably has no jobs on purpose | 14:08 |
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| dhellmann | what is that? | 14:09 |
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| ttx | hmm | 14:09 |
| ttx | so monasca-thresh is a Java component | 14:09 |
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| dhellmann | hmm, I don't think we even know how to publish that | 14:10 |
| ttx | (cue told you so music about accepting Java bits without toolchain to handle them) | 14:10 |
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| dhellmann | yeah | 14:11 |
| dhellmann | I see a couple of options: | 14:11 |
| dhellmann | 1. no-tarball | 14:11 |
| ttx | dhellmann: yeah, so no-tarball them and then open another review to just drop it from "mitaka" | 14:11 |
| dhellmann | 2. delete entirely | 14:11 |
| dhellmann | 3. build the "tag but don't show" feature | 14:11 |
| ttx | personally I don't think something without a proper job to build a source code tarball can be "released" | 14:11 |
| dhellmann | wfm | 14:11 |
| dhellmann | if we're going to delete it, there's no need to no-tarball them, right? | 14:12 |
| ttx | so I'll +2 the removal from mitaka, but will let the PTL defend themselves before | 14:12 |
| dhellmann | ah | 14:12 |
| ttx | sure. I just want to remove the 404 | 14:12 |
| ttx | immediately | 14:12 |
| dhellmann | sure | 14:12 |
| ttx | and then decide what is the long-term solution | 14:12 |
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| dhellmann | are we talking removing all of monasca, or just thresh? | 14:13 |
| ttx | murano-apps is a collection of murano packages, which is a bit specific too | 14:13 |
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| ttx | just thresh... | 14:13 |
| ttx | I bet people can find it somewhere else like on maven | 14:14 |
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| ttx | which is why nobody bothered to create tarball jobs | 14:14 |
| ttx | also source code is kind of a dirty thing in Java land. they release jars | 14:14 |
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| dhellmann | ah | 14:15 |
| * dhellmann is ignorant of these things | 14:15 | |
| ttx | don't even get me started | 14:15 |
| dhellmann | let's keep moving, then :-) | 14:15 |
| dhellmann | #info add missing release jobs: https://review.openstack.org/300474 | 14:15 |
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| dhellmann | those are the projects where it seemed to make sense to add the missing jobs | 14:15 |
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| dhellmann | looks like there's a validation failure, so I'll keep working on that | 14:18 |
| ttx | for fun, http://ttx.re/the-real-problem-with-java-in-linux-distros.html | 14:18 |
| dhellmann | #info add validation for release jobs: https://review.openstack.org/300492 and https://review.openstack.org/300493 | 14:18 |
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| ttx | bit old, still valid :) | 14:18 |
| dhellmann | there's sample of the combined validation output in http://paste.openstack.org/show/492734 | 14:18 |
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| dhellmann | I should probably not require the jobs when we have tarball mode set to none, so I'll add that as a third patch | 14:18 |
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| dhellmann | is there anything else on the links topic? | 14:18 |
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| ttx | does that cover them all ? | 14:18 |
| ttx | do we have a fix for monasca-log-api | 14:19 |
| dhellmann | oh, I missed that one at the top | 14:19 |
| dhellmann | I'll no-tarball that, too | 14:19 |
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| ttx | What about monasca-ceilometer | 14:20 |
| ttx | not in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300474 | 14:20 |
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| ttx | intentional ? | 14:20 |
| dhellmann | ah, andreas pointed out they didn't have the venv setting in tox, so I'll treat it the same as log-api | 14:20 |
| ttx | ok | 14:20 |
| ttx | They also don't have the zuul layout thing I suspect | 14:21 |
| dims | o/ fashionably late. sorry | 14:21 |
| dhellmann | probably | 14:21 |
| dhellmann | hi, dims | 14:21 |
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| dhellmann | unfortunately I often don't see rolland on irc, so I'll try email to contact him | 14:21 |
| dhellmann | ttx, should I copy you or openstack-dev on that email since I won't be around a lot of next week? | 14:22 |
| dhellmann | I'll send it to the dev list, no reason not to do this publicly | 14:22 |
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| ttx | ack | 14:22 |
| dhellmann | ok, moving on then | 14:23 |
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| dhellmann | #topic cinder | 14:23 |
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| dhellmann | I asked yesterday on irc and the cinder cores I could find seemed surprised that they might need an rc3 | 14:23 |
| dhellmann | smcginnis wasn't online at the time | 14:23 |
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| ttx | well, they don't need it that much | 14:23 |
| dhellmann | I expect they'll want a patch release after the final for those translations | 14:23 |
| dhellmann | yeah | 14:23 |
| ttx | could have been useful to refresh translations to pick up Wed/Thu | 14:23 |
| ttx | but not critical if they missed | 14:24 |
| dims | ++ | 14:24 |
| ttx | a bit worrying that they would not be available/around though | 14:24 |
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| dhellmann | the thing with master is concerning, but can be dealt with | 14:24 |
| ttx | yeah, I just don't want to forget about it | 14:24 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I'm not sure about the story there | 14:24 |
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| dhellmann | ok, it's noted on the dashboard, too | 14:25 |
| dhellmann | do you think we need to push them to deal with merging the patch? | 14:25 |
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| ttx | it's like every time you think you can propose both master and stable/mitaka (saying master will merge anytime now) it takes ages to merge in master and merges straight away in stable | 14:25 |
| dhellmann | maybe we should encourage them to use depends-on | 14:26 |
| ttx | which is why I try to strictly enforce the "must merge in master first" rule | 14:26 |
| dhellmann | I wonder if that works across branches of the same repo | 14:26 |
| ttx | dhellmann: well no | 14:26 |
| ttx | dhellmann: we use teh same changeID | 14:26 |
| dhellmann | oh, right | 14:26 |
| dims | right, won't help | 14:26 |
| ttx | and wouldn't prevent them from merging anyway | 14:26 |
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| dhellmann | last cycle we met with ptls regularly, this cycle not at all | 14:27 |
| dhellmann | maybe next cycle we need to do a pre-release meeting near the end of the cycle? | 14:27 |
| dhellmann | "we won't process your release until you come around and have this chat" | 14:27 |
| ttx | what we need is some kind of magic check that would look into a stable change and check that it's a straight backport (or has a #different_but_this_is_normal warning tag in the commit message) | 14:27 |
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| ttx | that way you wouldn't unintentionaly shoot yourself in the foot | 14:28 |
| dhellmann | what about just a check that looks for the cherry-pick in the commit message, and requires a change with that id in master? | 14:28 |
| ttx | not sure what the solution is, but that's something we should discuss | 14:28 |
| dhellmann | it wouldn't have to look at the contents | 14:28 |
| ttx | that would be great already | 14:29 |
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| dims | ttx : dhellmann : how about language in the bot adding a snippet saying "This change should be merged in master first before you approve in stable"? | 14:29 |
| ttx | you need a way to disable it though, some patches just don't get to master (like different translations) | 14:29 |
| dims | so at least they have a heads up | 14:29 |
| dims | y | 14:29 |
| ttx | let's brainstorm that in postmortem / in Austin | 14:29 |
| * dhellmann adds a note to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-relmgt-plan | 14:29 | |
| dims | ++ | 14:29 |
| ttx | nothing we can change now | 14:30 |
| dhellmann | ttx: if there's no cherry-pick reference in the commit message, the check would pass | 14:30 |
| dims | y too late | 14:30 |
| ttx | although watching stable/mitaka now that we are in pre-reelase freeze for "accidental" merges would be good too | 14:30 |
| dhellmann | yeah, we should -2 everything in the branch I guess | 14:30 |
| ttx | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/branch:stable/mitaka+is:merged | 14:30 |
| ttx | looking good so far, only a few translations merged in cinder | 14:31 |
| dhellmann | ttx, if I -2 the pending patches I won't be around to lift the ban | 14:31 |
| dhellmann | do you want to do it? | 14:31 |
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| ttx | or we can revert spurious things | 14:31 |
| dhellmann | or do you want to leave it open, and revert anything if we end up needing a release? | 14:31 |
| dhellmann | yeah | 14:31 |
| dhellmann | let's do that, less work up front | 14:31 |
| ttx | -2 is a bit task-intensive and brittle, since that relies in regular reviews | 14:32 |
| dhellmann | more for the team that doesn't follow the rules | 14:32 |
| dhellmann | right | 14:32 |
| dhellmann | ok, moving on... | 14:32 |
| dhellmann | #topic other fires | 14:32 |
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| dhellmann | do we know of anything else, or was this just in case something came up? :-) | 14:32 |
| ttx | just in case something came up | 14:32 |
| dhellmann | ok | 14:32 |
| ttx | or I forgot something important | 14:33 |
| dhellmann | #topic step-by-step release week actions | 14:33 |
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| ttx | that were just the fires I could see | 14:33 |
| dhellmann | how about if we work these steps out in the etherpad so I don't have to try to copy them over in the right order? | 14:33 |
| ttx | ok, so for here I'd like to know what we'll have to do next week | 14:33 |
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| ttx | ack | 14:33 |
| dhellmann | there's already a "release tasks" section under R-0 | 14:33 |
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| dims | dhellmann : "unfreeze requirements in master" | 14:34 |
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| dims | LOL i wish | 14:34 |
| dims | (password typing repeatedly) | 14:35 |
| * dhellmann might temporarily turn off the passphrase on his gpg key for that step | 14:35 | |
| dhellmann | ttx, there shouldn't be any races because it will be one patch to the releases repo | 14:35 |
| ttx | ah. | 14:36 |
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| dhellmann | I may need to send that announcement a bit earlier than usual | 14:38 |
| ttx | what time would you send it ? | 14:38 |
| ttx | dhellmann: the old process took about 7 hours to run with all the Launchpad stuff | 14:39 |
| dhellmann | well you said "shortly before 10" and I might want to do it closer to 9? | 14:39 |
| ttx | which is why we'd wait around 10am CT anyway to do it | 14:39 |
| ttx | but we can certainly have a more precise hour | 14:39 |
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| ttx | ok, let's target 9am CT | 14:39 |
| dhellmann | yeah, if I'm up early CT to do the first couple of steps, I'd like to just announce right away so I can go back to my holiday :-) | 14:39 |
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| dhellmann | 9 seems like a safe upper bound, sure | 14:40 |
| dims | :) | 14:40 |
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| dhellmann | we can prep the patch to switch to released today and then approve it next week | 14:40 |
| dhellmann | the series status, that is | 14:40 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: "update acls for stable/mitaka service projects to allow changes from the team stable maintainers (revert previous change)" | 14:41 |
| ttx | that's https://review.openstack.org/#/c/298866/ right | 14:41 |
| dims | do we have to do anything on launchpad? | 14:41 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: I thought it was the +2 rights? | 14:42 |
| dhellmann | ttx: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292781/ | 14:42 |
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| ttx | oh, the tagging rights | 14:42 |
| ttx | right so that's a different thing | 14:43 |
| dhellmann | we want to give them +2 but keep tagging | 14:43 |
| dhellmann | yeah, it may not be a straight revert, we might want to prepare those patches today, too | 14:43 |
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| ttx | dhellmann: I fear those will need rebasing by next week | 14:44 |
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| dhellmann | probably | 14:44 |
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| dhellmann | rebasing will be faster than figuring it out from scratch | 14:45 |
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| ttx | Ack ,added prep to the "before Thursday" section | 14:46 |
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| * ttx checks out old release cheat sheets for things we are forgetting | 14:47 | |
| dhellmann | yeah, I'll do that today and prepare them as a patch series so the rebasing will go more smoothly next week | 14:47 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: we should open the g-r repo, I'll remove my -2s there today | 14:47 |
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| ttx | oh haven't done that yet ? | 14:47 |
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| dhellmann | no, I've been letting it slide because of late releases and folks weren't pushing for it | 14:48 |
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| ttx | adding everything I can think of | 14:49 |
| dhellmann | yeah | 14:49 |
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| dhellmann | this feels like a complete list, ttx | 14:52 |
| ttx | dhellmann: could you be more explicit as to when you will be fully unavailable next week ? | 14:52 |
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| dhellmann | let me look at the calendar, just a sec | 14:52 |
| ttx | so taht I know when to wait for you and when to just make a call | 14:53 |
| dhellmann | we travel monday night, so I'll have some email Monday | 14:53 |
| ttx | dims: what is your availability looking like next week ? | 14:53 |
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| dhellmann | tuesday I'll have email on my phone and a laptop that night (european time) | 14:53 |
| ttx | if we get broken by library updates it will more likely be over the weekend | 14:53 |
| dims | ttx : i'll be around all week | 14:53 |
| dhellmann | I'll have access again at some point wednesday evening | 14:54 |
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| dhellmann | I'm planning to work thursday morning until 9-10 | 14:54 |
| dhellmann | I'll be up early to get an early start | 14:54 |
| ttx | could you add that to the etherpad ? | 14:54 |
| dhellmann | sure | 14:54 |
| ttx | oh, and.. no library release on our side | 14:55 |
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| ttx | will have plenty enough risk with the things beyond our control | 14:56 |
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| dims | y | 14:56 |
| ttx | dhellmann: it doesn't look too bad, definitely doable if there is no unexpecetd failure somewhere | 14:56 |
| dims | i have znc setup, so now i can check for my nick when i get back online too | 14:56 |
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| dhellmann | ttx: direct email to me will always buzz my phone, irc is going to be trickier | 14:57 |
| ttx | dims: thx a lot for your availability btw, 3 people is not too much :) | 14:57 |
| dhellmann | my travel access to irc right now is not great because of the new laptop | 14:57 |
| dhellmann | yeah, dims, thank you for helping so much! | 14:57 |
| ttx | dhellmann: you can pm me you phone number and I can text you in case of horrible urgency | 14:57 |
| dhellmann | ttx: absolutely | 14:58 |
| dims | my pleasure | 14:58 |
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| dhellmann | I have a call starting in a minute, so I should close us out | 14:59 |
| dhellmann | see you in #openstack-release | 14:59 |
| dhellmann | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Fri Apr 1 14:59:19 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2016/releaseteam.2016-04-01-14.01.html | 14:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2016/releaseteam.2016-04-01-14.01.txt | 14:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/releaseteam/2016/releaseteam.2016-04-01-14.01.log.html | 14:59 |
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