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| rvasilets | #startmeeting Rally | 14:02 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon May 16 14:02:19 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rvasilets. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 14:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rally' | 14:02 |
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| andreykurilin | o/ | 14:02 |
| rvasilets | Hi to all | 14:02 |
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| rvasilets | boris-42, stpierre | 14:03 |
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| rvasilets | amaretskiy, | 14:04 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets: hi | 14:04 |
| amaretskiy | hi | 14:04 |
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| rvasilets | Looks like our meeting will be short | 14:04 |
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| rvasilets | #topic Review request | 14:05 |
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| rvasilets | Okey the only topic is mine | 14:05 |
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| rvasilets | I want more review | 14:05 |
| rvasilets | First https://review.openstack.org/#/c/283180/ its hanging from 27th april | 14:06 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets: everybody wants more review+) | 14:06 |
| rvasilets | Second https://review.openstack.org/#/c/314536/ this is the fix to the high priority bug | 14:06 |
| rvasilets | Third https://review.openstack.org/#/c/315657/ As I understand the only reasonable patch in future coming release | 14:07 |
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| rvasilets | eom | 14:07 |
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| andreykurilin | ok | 14:08 |
| andreykurilin | I have several topics | 14:08 |
| rvasilets | Okey | 14:08 |
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| andreykurilin | "usage of global-requirements" | 14:08 |
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| rvasilets | #topic usage of global-requirements | 14:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "usage of global-requirements (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 14:08 | |
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| boris-42 | andreykurilin: so that's good topic | 14:09 |
| andreykurilin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/316794/ | 14:09 |
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| boris-42 | andreykurilin: however as far as I understand as far as we use devstack | 14:09 |
| andreykurilin | boris-42: no | 14:09 |
| andreykurilin | :) | 14:09 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: we have to use global requirments | 14:09 |
| andreykurilin | I had a talk with jd__ today | 14:10 |
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| andreykurilin | gnocchiclient do not use g-r | 14:10 |
| andreykurilin | and everything is ok | 14:10 |
| andreykurilin | telemetry team has an 2 years experience without usage of g-r | 14:11 |
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| boris-42 | andreykurilin: sooo | 14:11 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: than maybe it's time to think about it=) | 14:11 |
| andreykurilin | yeah:) | 14:11 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: we would be able to do upper constraits as well | 14:12 |
| andreykurilin | yeah | 14:12 |
| andreykurilin | we need it | 14:12 |
| andreykurilin | for releases | 14:12 |
| andreykurilin | first of all, if we decided to abandon g-r for Rally, we will need to sync latest requirements(which are in g-r) with our list | 14:12 |
| andreykurilin | we will need to implement several small jobs | 14:13 |
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| andreykurilin | but it should not be a hard task | 14:13 |
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| andreykurilin | I propose to think a bit about g-r. what are advantages and disadvantages of its usage | 14:14 |
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| andreykurilin | and discuss this topic at the next meeting | 14:14 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: so does ceilometer have this jobs? | 14:14 |
| rvasilets | I though that if we are OPenStack that we should use g-r | 14:15 |
| rvasilets | *we must | 14:15 |
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| andreykurilin | rvasilets: I think it was an old requirement which was rejected while moving to "big tent" | 14:15 |
| andreykurilin | rvasilets: now, we have an ability to reject g-r | 14:15 |
| andreykurilin | boris-42: I don't know | 14:16 |
| rvasilets | Ou, really) Then I have nice improvements to Rally logic =) | 14:16 |
| andreykurilin | boris-42: I think we can ask jd__ to share his workflow about requirements. | 14:16 |
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| rvasilets | Who is he? | 14:16 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets: andreykurilin btw I would prefer to remove pbr and testr | 14:16 |
| andreykurilin | heh | 14:17 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets: andreykurilin and use directly setuptools and pytest | 14:17 |
| boris-42 | that will make rally work on windows | 14:17 |
| rvasilets | That was one from my suggestions) | 14:17 |
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| andreykurilin | rvasilets: http://stackalytics.com/?user_id=jdanjou | 14:18 |
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| andreykurilin | boris-42: yeah, I think we will be able to reject pbr | 14:18 |
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| rvasilets | lol Core in: pbr | 14:18 |
| andreykurilin | yeah:) | 14:18 |
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| boris-42 | andreykurilin: so I think like not supporting windows is a good reason+) | 14:19 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: to make things simpler | 14:19 |
| rvasilets | yes | 14:19 |
| rvasilets | And we will be able to rempve some extra code | 14:20 |
| rvasilets | like percentile | 14:20 |
| rvasilets | or LockedDict | 14:20 |
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| andreykurilin | ok, let's think a bit more about g-r, talk with redixin about implementation of new jobs | 14:21 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets: why do you want to remove Lockeddict? | 14:21 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets: to add more useless dependendinces ?) | 14:22 |
| andreykurilin | boris-42: I think, rvasilets means usage of external libraries for such stuff | 14:22 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: that is very bad patterns | 14:22 |
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| boris-42 | pattern | 14:22 |
| boris-42 | we should use as less as possible libs | 14:23 |
| boris-42 | and depend on less things | 14:23 |
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| rvasilets | boris-42, okey boss but for persentile its reasonable! | 14:23 |
| rvasilets | there is better implementation though C in numpy | 14:23 |
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| boris-42 | rvasilets: numpy btw is very very haevy package | 14:24 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets: and is it stream algorithm? | 14:24 |
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| rvasilets | Talking only about percentile: In numpy its faster | 14:25 |
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| rvasilets | No its not streaming | 14:25 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets: then it's bad non working for us algorithm | 14:26 |
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| rvasilets | boris-42, then numpy developer is not so clever | 14:26 |
| andreykurilin | lol | 14:27 |
| andreykurilin | let's move to the next topic | 14:27 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets: oh god | 14:27 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets: you need a car | 14:27 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets: but here is motocycle | 14:27 |
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| boris-42 | rvasilets: but I don't need motocycle | 14:27 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets: oh developer of motocycle are not so clever | 14:27 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets: WTF man?? | 14:27 |
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| boris-42 | rvasilets: we can use only streaming algorithms otherwise, we won't scale | 14:28 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets: if they don't have such implementaiton, we can't use it | 14:28 |
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| rvasilets | Okey lets move | 14:30 |
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| rvasilets | what the topic? | 14:30 |
| andreykurilin | glossary | 14:30 |
| amaretskiy | + | 14:30 |
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| rvasilets | #topic Glossary | 14:30 |
| andreykurilin | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/266389/ | 14:30 |
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| andreykurilin | first of all I want ask all of you to review this patch | 14:30 |
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| amaretskiy | http://docs-draft.openstack.org/89/266389/10/check/gate-rally-docs/bc530ca//doc/build/html/glossary.htmlÑŠ | 14:31 |
| amaretskiy | http://docs-draft.openstack.org/89/266389/10/check/gate-rally-docs/bc530ca//doc/build/html/glossary.html | 14:31 |
| andreykurilin | It describes most of base terms of Rally | 14:31 |
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| andreykurilin | While reviewing some terms, I found that we have at least one bad term | 14:31 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: i'll try to review it soon | 14:31 |
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| andreykurilin | "type" in task component | 14:32 |
| rvasilets | #link http://docs-draft.openstack.org/89/266389/10/check/gate-rally-docs/bc530ca//doc/build/html/glossary.html | 14:32 |
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| andreykurilin | This entity relates only to arguments not to full task | 14:32 |
| andreykurilin | Imo, we should rename it to something like arguments_type or param_type | 14:32 |
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| andreykurilin | Any ideas? | 14:33 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: nothing for now | 14:34 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: what I would prefer is to finish first refactoring of input task format | 14:34 |
| rvasilets | I don't have ideas for now | 14:34 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: that is the source of evil | 14:34 |
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| boris-42 | andreykurilin: btw I have a topic | 14:35 |
| amaretskiy | porposal: rename rally.task.types.ResourceType -> rally.task.arguments.Argument | 14:35 |
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| boris-42 | amaretskiy: I talked on firday to AppFormix | 14:35 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: ^ | 14:35 |
| andreykurilin | amaretskiy: sounds better | 14:35 |
| boris-42 | they are interested in 2 things | 14:35 |
| andreykurilin | boris-42: they want to contribute to rally? | 14:35 |
| andreykurilin | :) | 14:35 |
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| boris-42 | aaS | 14:35 |
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| boris-42 | & helping with making rally able to benchmark non openstack envs | 14:36 |
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| andreykurilin | cool | 14:36 |
| amaretskiy | I'm being ready to start implementing AaS for last year :) | 14:36 |
| andreykurilin | aaaS - anything as a service :D | 14:36 |
| andreykurilin | boris-42: Do they need a spec for aas or some chat will be enough? | 14:37 |
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| rvasilets | We are all ready) | 14:38 |
| amaretskiy | boris-42: lets just start implementing RaaS, I'm ready | 14:38 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: and what about services base?) | 14:38 |
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| amaretskiy | boris-42: I has reviewed this today | 14:39 |
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| boris-42 | amaretskiy: okay maybe we should start | 14:39 |
| amaretskiy | boris-42: I remember we have a spec | 14:40 |
| amaretskiy | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/182245/ | 14:40 |
| amaretskiy | we have to revive it | 14:40 |
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| rvasilets | reborn of an old manuscript) | 14:42 |
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| boris-42 | amaretskiy: yep | 14:42 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: so we need to complete it | 14:43 |
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| amaretskiy | boris-42: I take it | 14:43 |
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| rvasilets | Okey its more similar to the Open discussion anything else related to Glossary? | 14:44 |
| andreykurilin | nothing from me | 14:44 |
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| rvasilets | boris-42, amaretskiy ^ | 14:45 |
| boris-42 | nothing from me | 14:45 |
| amaretskiy | I think we have to merge base version of glossary to finally get it available in docs, and improve it later in another patches | 14:45 |
| amaretskiy | nothing from me | 14:45 |
| rvasilets | #topic Free discussion | 14:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Free discussion (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 14:46 | |
| rvasilets | feel free to flood=) | 14:46 |
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| andreykurilin | it looks like we can finish meeting | 14:49 |
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| rvasilets | #endmeeting | 14:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 14:51 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon May 16 14:51:24 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2016/rally.2016-05-16-14.02.html | 14:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2016/rally.2016-05-16-14.02.txt | 14:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2016/rally.2016-05-16-14.02.log.html | 14:51 |
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| mmedvede | #startmeeting third-party | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon May 16 15:00:26 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mmedvede. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 15:00 |
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| mmedvede | anyone around for third-party CI meeting? | 15:01 |
| asselin__ | good morning. I'm around. | 15:01 |
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| mmedvede | asselin__: morning | 15:01 |
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| kcalman | o/ | 15:02 |
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| mmedvede | hi kcalman | 15:03 |
| lennyb | hi | 15:03 |
| kcalman | Hi there | 15:03 |
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| mmedvede | yay, more people! hi lennyb | 15:03 |
| lennyb | mmedvede, hi. | 15:04 |
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| mmedvede | anyone has anything to discuss? I did not see anything on ML that was of interest for our CI | 15:04 |
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| lennyb | I've just wanted to let you know about this #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/devstack/+bug/1581922 bug. | 15:06 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1581922 in devstack "rping fails when no IP address on the port" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Lenny (lennyb) | 15:06 |
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| lennyb | we are also checking the proposed fix | 15:06 |
| lennyb | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/315758/ | 15:06 |
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| mmedvede | thanks lennyb | 15:08 |
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| mmedvede | so that is related to having a special OVS config? | 15:10 |
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| lennyb | mmedvede, no, we do not define public_interface in the local.conf, so this caused the problem. | 15:10 |
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| mmedvede | ok, moving on | 15:12 |
| mmedvede | kcalman: sorry I did not see you in the past meetings, are you starting a new CI, or maintaining an existing one? | 15:13 |
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| kcalman | I have been here for a couple of monthes,though not saying much. | 15:14 |
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| kcalman | I am seeting up a hardware CI for Ironic | 15:14 |
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| kcalman | and could use a little mentoring ;-) | 15:15 |
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| mmedvede | kcalman: that is cool! where are you at right now? | 15:15 |
| kcalman | At Dell in Austin | 15:15 |
| kcalman | TX | 15:16 |
| lennyb | kcalman: interesting, we will start doing it in a couple of weeks. We had 1 server doing some APIs for now | 15:16 |
| kcalman | I think we met at the summit | 15:16 |
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| mmedvede | kcalman: oh, I meant in the process of setting up, what stage are you in :) | 15:16 |
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| mmedvede | kcalman: hi neighbor! I am in Austin | 15:16 |
| kcalman | we have the no-op gerrit gate job and zull/Jenkins set up | 15:16 |
| kcalman | But I need som guidance configuring hardware networking | 15:17 |
| kcalman | s/zull/zuul/ | 15:17 |
| lennyb | kcalman, sorry, not there yet. | 15:17 |
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| mmedvede | kcalman: we have setup an Ironic CI (no me personally, krtaylor leads an effort), and have it working | 15:18 |
| lennyb | kcalman, we installed Jenkins Slave and were running ironic-tempest-plugin | 15:18 |
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| kcalman | can anyone suggest some documentation that would provide an overview of setting up a 3rd party hardware CI? | 15:19 |
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| mmedvede | kcalman: there is a blog post describing how-level how we did it https://developer.ibm.com/opentech/2016/04/20/ironic-continuous-integration-testing-with-hardware-pool-management/ | 15:20 |
| mmedvede | kcalman: I am not aware of "Official hardware CI" docs | 15:20 |
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| mmedvede | *hi-level | 15:21 |
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| mmedvede | *high-level (argh) | 15:21 |
| kcalman | Excellent! | 15:21 |
| kcalman | Besides me, is there much call for that kind of thing? | 15:22 |
| mmedvede | One problem that required custom solution is hardware pool management, which is described in the post | 15:22 |
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| mmedvede | kcalman: If you mean the doc, then it would be useful. The problem is that, iirc, there is still needs to be support added (e.g. in devstack), to use it as is for ironic HW tests | 15:25 |
| kcalman | Thanks, lennyb, mmedvede, and krtaylor, I hope you don't mind if I contact you off-line or on the #openstack-ironic chat? | 15:25 |
| lennyb | sure | 15:26 |
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| mmedvede | kcalman: sounds good | 15:26 |
| kcalman | About how many active hardware CI projects are there now, do you think? | 15:26 |
| mmedvede | 3 at minimum, it looks like :) | 15:27 |
| kcalman | I thought there were more... | 15:27 |
| krtaylor | kcalman, sure! | 15:27 |
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| mmedvede | krtaylor: thx for showing up in here | 15:29 |
| mmedvede | kcalman: there are definitely more HW projects | 15:29 |
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| mmedvede | kcalman: thanks for bringing it up, great to hear more people working on ironic hardware CIs | 15:30 |
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| krtaylor | mmedvede, I always lurk :) | 15:30 |
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| kcalman | So, do you think lack of a primer document is holding them back, or are they just quiet? | 15:30 |
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| mmedvede | I do not know, I think not everyone speaks up what they are working on, or attends the meetings | 15:31 |
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| mmedvede | anybody has more topics for today? | 15:33 |
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| krtaylor | kcalman, feel free to comment on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304683/ | 15:35 |
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| kcalman | I will be lookingh into that this week, thanks | 15:35 |
| krtaylor | kcalman, we will have a few more things to add later, but any feedback would be appreciated | 15:36 |
| mmedvede | #link Initial commit for MoltenIron https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304683 | 15:36 |
| krtaylor | thanks! | 15:36 |
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| mmedvede | any objections to ending the meeting? | 15:37 |
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| kcalman | I'm good, thanks | 15:38 |
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| mmedvede | thank you everyone for attending | 15:40 |
| mmedvede | #endmeeting | 15:40 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon May 16 15:40:23 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:40 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-05-16-15.00.html | 15:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-05-16-15.00.txt | 15:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-05-16-15.00.log.html | 15:40 |
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| anteaya | mmedvede: thank you | 15:49 |
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| mmedvede | anteaya: you're welcome | 15:52 |
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| rakhmerov | #startmeeting Mistral | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon May 16 16:01:31 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rakhmerov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral' | 16:01 |
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| rakhmerov | hi | 16:02 |
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| rakhmerov | who is here? | 16:02 |
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| rbrady | o/ | 16:02 |
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| mgershenzon | O/ | 16:02 |
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| rakhmerov | hi guys | 16:03 |
| rbrady | :) | 16:03 |
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| rakhmerov | 1 sec | 16:03 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, let's start | 16:04 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Review action items | 16:04 |
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| rakhmerov | no items ) | 16:04 |
| rakhmerov | #Current status (progress, issues, roadblocks, further plans) | 16:04 |
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| rakhmerov | let's quickly tell our updates, if any | 16:04 |
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| rakhmerov | my status: working on several blueprints at the same time | 16:05 |
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| rakhmerov | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-engine-error-handling | 16:05 |
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| rakhmerov | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-action-result-processing-pipeline | 16:06 |
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| rakhmerov | it all came to the need to do pretty serious refactoring in Mistral engine | 16:07 |
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| rakhmerov | will get it done this week, | 16:07 |
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| ddeja | hey guys | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | besides that, other small activities like fixing gates, dealing with oslo.messaging issue (again) | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | hi Dawid | 16:07 |
| rakhmerov | please let us know if you have any updates | 16:08 |
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| rakhmerov | I'm planning to work on custom actions API after my current tasks | 16:08 |
| ddeja | unfortunetely no - I spend last week on sick leave but I'm starting to feeling better so I hope to be back at work tommorow or on Wednesday | 16:09 |
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| rbrady | rakhmerov: I'd like to contribute to that bp as well | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | ddeja: ooh, ok, I hope get better soon | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | rbrady: ok, sure | 16:09 |
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| rakhmerov | rbrady: do you think we need to create a spec for that? | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | we can discuss what we do together and you can actually take it | 16:10 |
| rakhmerov | or part of it | 16:10 |
| rbrady | rakhmerov: it might be a good idea and allow us a way to solicit more feedback | 16:10 |
| rbrady | rakhmerov: ack | 16:10 |
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| rbrady | rakhmerov: I had wanted to start on it by now, but I ran into a bug that's taking my time (more on that in the open discussion) | 16:11 |
| rakhmerov | rbrady: yes, my only concern is that I think when writing a spec it's usually hard to predict all cool things that you can come up with when actually implementing it | 16:11 |
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| rakhmerov | so maybe we need a spect but w/o an attempt to make it too detailed | 16:11 |
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| rbrady | rakhmerov: agreed. in a agile world the spec is a minimum viable product plan | 16:11 |
| rakhmerov | only reflect main things and leave opportunities for extention | 16:12 |
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| rakhmerov | rbrady: we're on the same page then | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | perfect | 16:12 |
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| rakhmerov | let's move to the following topic then | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | #Discuss versioning issue | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | subtitle: The latest one is 2.0.0 but "pip install mistral' installs 2015.1.0 since it's greater | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | I just wanted to discuss with the team the best approach to solve this issue | 16:13 |
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| rakhmerov | we have multiple versions on PyPi: including 2015.1.0 which is actually older than 2.0.0 | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | because we used to have year based versioning | 16:14 |
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| rakhmerov | but then we switched to regular schema | 16:14 |
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| rbrady | rakhmerov: do we know of anyone currently still depending on 2015.1.0? | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | and now if people use "pip install mistral" they get 2015.1.0 version because it's greater | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | rbrady: that's the exact issue :) | 16:15 |
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| rakhmerov | If I knew that nobody was using it I'd just remove it | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | so maybe you came across a similar situation? | 16:16 |
| rbrady | rakhmerov: removing it is one way to conduct a survey of who's using it | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | what do people usually do? | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | survey? | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | how? | 16:16 |
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| rakhmerov | in ML? | 16:16 |
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| rbrady | rakhmerov: if you remove it from pypi, people may reach out to ask where it went. | 16:17 |
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| rbrady | rakhmerov: mailing list is probably a good option | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | yeah | 16:17 |
| ddeja | maybe we could just rename the old versions? | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | there's also an option to remove 2015.1.0 and re-release it under say 1.2.0 | 16:17 |
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| rakhmerov | ddeja: I need to check if PyPi allows that | 16:18 |
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| rakhmerov | but generally what rbrady says makes sense to me, if they find that it's removed they would likely just ask where it is | 16:19 |
| rakhmerov | and what they should use instead | 16:19 |
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| rakhmerov | and if it's possible to keep it but under a different name then it would be ok | 16:19 |
| ddeja | yeah, I'm ok with that | 16:19 |
| rakhmerov | I think | 16:19 |
| rakhmerov | hm.. ok, let me check it after it | 16:19 |
| rbrady | what policy does mistral have for supporting previous releases? | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | rbrady: only previous stable version | 16:20 |
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| rakhmerov | 2015.1.0 is not supported already | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | it's a year old | 16:20 |
| mgershenzon | I think if we rename that release, the new name should look similar to humans. | 16:21 |
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| rakhmerov | mgershenzon: ideally yes, but how? | 16:21 |
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| rakhmerov | somehow we need to transform 2015.1.0 to something like 1.1.1 | 16:21 |
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| rakhmerov | don't know how | 16:22 |
| rbrady | is there a specific place on pypi where it displays older releases? I do not see it at https://pypi.python.org/pypi/mistral | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov: check if PyPi allows to rename releases | 16:22 |
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| mgershenzon | Maybe with concatenation? Adding "0." at the beginning. Is that a legal version? | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | yes, there's an admin interface | 16:23 |
| rakhmerov | mgershenzon: not sure, need to check | 16:23 |
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| rakhmerov | you know, seems like it's possible to rename it | 16:23 |
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| rakhmerov | via PyPi UI | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | I just checked it | 16:24 |
| rbrady | just as an average user, I'm not sure if they are able to see the release through the web ui at all. using the search I can only find mistralclient | 16:24 |
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| mgershenzon | 0.2015.1looks similar to me, if we can't concatenate the full version. | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | rbrady: yeah, it's a bug in PyPi | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | they are working on it | 16:24 |
| ddeja | rbrady: you can list all of the version of package after adding "/json" to the end of pypi URL | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | a bunch of packages are not searchable although they exist | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | ddeja: ooh really? | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | that's cool | 16:25 |
| ddeja | it gives pure json | 16:25 |
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| rakhmerov | ok | 16:25 |
| ddeja | with a lot of stuff like all package versions ;) | 16:25 |
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| rakhmerov | alright, I think I'll just rename it. Just need to pick a good name and announce it in ML I guess | 16:26 |
| rbrady | with the policy of only supporting the previous stable version, removing anything prior to 1.0.0 should be okay then | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | and be ready to get piled with rotten tomatoes from our senior community members ) | 16:27 |
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| rakhmerov | rbrady: yes, I was just thinking about potential users who might be using it in some production clouds of older versions (kilo) | 16:28 |
| mgershenzon | If we can rename, it is better than deleting | 16:28 |
| rbrady | ack | 16:28 |
| rakhmerov | yep | 16:28 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, I think it's kind of solved | 16:28 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Discuss what to do with "at-least-once" | 16:28 |
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| rakhmerov | some background | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | oslo team recently released oslo.messaging 5.0.0 :) | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | and it broke our dirty hack in rpc.py | 16:29 |
| ddeja | Oh | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | that was needed to implement at-least-once delivery | 16:29 |
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| rakhmerov | ddeja: yeah :( | 16:30 |
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| rakhmerov | but that's the consequence that we were aware of from the very beginning | 16:30 |
| ddeja | (I was hoping for the oslo team to not be this fast) | 16:30 |
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| rakhmerov | the bad thing is that their classes and interfaces changed significantly and we need to spend time again to understand how to apply a similar hack | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | ddeja: yeah, me too | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | but it is what it is | 16:31 |
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| rakhmerov | so for now I sent a patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/316578/ to remove that hack until we find a solution | 16:31 |
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| rakhmerov | options: 1) research their new code and do a similar hack 2) finally implement our rpc layer based on direct access to amqp | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | there's the 3rd: keep pushing that change to oslo.messaging to support at-least-once | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | here's my opinion: I don't like 1) and would prefer to go with 2) | 16:33 |
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| ddeja | +1 | 16:34 |
| mgershenzon | What about 3? Do we have a chance? | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | on my estimation it would take ~1 month to implement it, especially given that we already have patches that do that mostly | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | we can reexamine them and reuse if possible | 16:34 |
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| rakhmerov | mgershenzon: I think yes, but it will be a long process and we should be doing it in parallel | 16:34 |
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| ddeja | yup, using own rpc layer is still kind of hacky | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | ddeja: actually I was going to suggest you be working on that RPC impl ) | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | ddeja: why? | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | why hacky? | 16:35 |
| ddeja | I was just going to say that after we have our own implementation we still should push on oslo | 16:36 |
| rakhmerov | yes, true | 16:36 |
| ddeja | so we can eventually start using it fully | 16:36 |
| ddeja | becouse from my perspective it's better if openstack project uses only oslo messaging, not their own solution | 16:36 |
| ddeja | but i totaly agree that option 2 is better than 1 :) | 16:37 |
| mgershenzon | +1 | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | but here's my thinking: we could make it configurable so that we explicitly declare that "Ok, we give you a choice to use either oslo.messaging based RPC impl but you won't get at-least-once or you can use AMQP directly with all bells and wistles" | 16:37 |
| ddeja | yup | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | ddeja: yeah, right | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | another reason I'm saying this: we already spent a year trying to push it into oslo :) | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | w/o any luck | 16:38 |
| ddeja | I'm only thinking if we are going to support only rabbit in our layer? | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | new people come to oslo, new ptls etc. and we have to start over again and again | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | ddeja: I think we should start with a flexible design in Mistral itself | 16:39 |
| rakhmerov | what I mean is basically: | 16:39 |
| rakhmerov | our RPC layer is nothing else but ~10 methods | 16:39 |
| rakhmerov | im rpc.py | 16:39 |
| ddeja | sure | 16:39 |
| rakhmerov | it could be just an interface (or abstract class) | 16:39 |
| ddeja | ok | 16:40 |
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| rakhmerov | and for it we could have different implementations like: amqp (could be actually splitted by driver types: say pika and kombu), zero mq, qpid | 16:40 |
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| ddeja | ok, cool | 16:41 |
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| rakhmerov | in practice, most of the time we'll need just rabbit (e.g. with pika) | 16:41 |
| rakhmerov | but we'll have a pattern how to easily create new ones | 16:41 |
| rakhmerov | ddeja: btw, that would allow us to implement that per-task delivery much easier | 16:41 |
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| rakhmerov | we could just have it in our design in the first place | 16:42 |
| ddeja | I guess I can start with implementation, starting later this week, or in worst case scenario - from Monday | 16:42 |
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| rakhmerov | it's basically just another param in our rpc methods | 16:42 |
| ddeja | rakhmerov: yup | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | ddeja: great! | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | ddeja: just one question | 16:42 |
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| rakhmerov | I remember that it was pretty urgent for you to get that hack in | 16:42 |
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| rakhmerov | and I wonder if it's critically important to keep it in the code for that month or so while we're working on a good solution? | 16:43 |
| rakhmerov | I mean for you | 16:43 |
| ddeja | not really | 16:43 |
| ddeja | it was more about beeing in release | 16:43 |
| rakhmerov | ok, then that's good ) | 16:43 |
| rakhmerov | yeah | 16:43 |
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| rakhmerov | ddeja: as an option, I'd suggest to restore that hack (in a different form) in your own fork, if needed | 16:44 |
| rakhmerov | if it's badly needed I can even help with it | 16:44 |
| rakhmerov | but it'd be better not to have in master | 16:44 |
| ddeja | there is no need for it on master branch ;) | 16:44 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:45 |
| ddeja | Mitaka is OK | 16:45 |
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| rakhmerov | ok | 16:45 |
| rakhmerov | I feel a relief ) | 16:45 |
| ddeja | the only thing is to make sure this feature would be also present in Newton :) | 16:45 |
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| rakhmerov | ddeja: ok, then ping me when you start working on it, we could first discuss those patches that we have and think over the plan | 16:46 |
| rakhmerov | ddeja: it's feasible, I'm confident | 16:46 |
| rakhmerov | one way or another | 16:46 |
| rakhmerov | we just need to keep working on it | 16:46 |
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| hparekh__ | hi | 16:47 |
| rakhmerov | okey, deal | 16:47 |
| rakhmerov | hparekh__: hey ) | 16:47 |
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| ddeja | rakhmerov: I'll look at those patches first and I will for sure let you know after | 16:47 |
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| hparekh__ | my status is working on that bp | 16:47 |
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| hparekh__ | filtering one | 16:47 |
| rakhmerov | ddeja: yeah, it's not that trivial and I already have some experience with that so please communicate | 16:47 |
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| hparekh__ | will post patch soon | 16:48 |
| rakhmerov | hparekh__: ok, just wanted to ask you about your status ) | 16:48 |
| rakhmerov | hparekh__: I reviewed your patch partially | 16:48 |
| rakhmerov | sorry for the delay, will complete tomorrow | 16:48 |
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| hparekh__ | ok no issue | 16:49 |
| rakhmerov | hparekh__: and I cherry picked that patch you pointed to | 16:49 |
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| rakhmerov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/316961/ | 16:49 |
| rakhmerov | I hope it'll help | 16:49 |
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| rakhmerov | to fix stable/liberty | 16:49 |
| hparekh__ | oh ok :) | 16:49 |
| mgershenzon | Do we have a spec to show the Oslo guys? | 16:50 |
| rakhmerov | mgershenzon: there is an abandoned spec but honestly I haven't fully read it myself ) | 16:50 |
| mgershenzon | I'm talking about our implementation of at least once | 16:50 |
| rakhmerov | I'll find a patch | 16:50 |
| rakhmerov | mgershenzon: yeah, right | 16:50 |
| rakhmerov | I'll find it and give a link to you | 16:51 |
| rakhmerov | let me do it right away actually... | 16:51 |
| rakhmerov | 20 sec | 16:51 |
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| rakhmerov | here it is: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/256342/ | 16:51 |
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| rakhmerov | as you can see there was a huge huge huge discussion | 16:52 |
| rakhmerov | and as a result it got abandoned | 16:52 |
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| rakhmerov | #topic Open Discussion | 16:53 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 16:53 | |
| rbrady | https://bugs.launchpad.net/mistral/+bug/1581649 | 16:53 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1581649 in Mistral "Action Execution Response Timeout" [Undecided,New] | 16:53 |
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| mgershenzon | We can create a spec on mistral | 16:53 |
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| rbrady | TripleO devs have run into this issue with Mistral. I saw it at summit and thought it might just be affecting me | 16:54 |
| rakhmerov | mgershenzon: yep | 16:54 |
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| rakhmerov | rbrady: yeah, I remember you told me | 16:54 |
| rbrady | but it's essentially blocking our integration efforts atm | 16:54 |
| rakhmerov | let me assign it to Newton-1 | 16:54 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, we can check it tomorrow | 16:55 |
| ddeja | rbrady: is theere a workflow definition included in the bug? | 16:55 |
| rakhmerov | it must be something simple | 16:55 |
| rbrady | it's affecting all workflow calls | 16:55 |
| ddeja | hm, interesting | 16:56 |
| rbrady | often the api isn't responding in time | 16:56 |
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| ddeja | can it be due to ongoing executions? | 16:56 |
| rbrady | because we're getting the same error with the mistral cli, the api directly with curl or javascript calls | 16:56 |
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| rakhmerov | ok | 16:57 |
| rbrady | ddeja: how many calls would I have to make to stop mistral from executing? at this point it's a handful of calls | 16:57 |
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| rbrady | ddeja: I've tried restarting the mistral services and it has no apparent effect. I still cannot get a consistent result | 16:58 |
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| rakhmerov | rbrady: it's really weird, I've never seen people encounter this.. | 16:59 |
| rakhmerov | rbrady: make sure to specify as much info as possible about how to reproduce it | 16:59 |
| ddeja | rbrady: I don't know. I'm just wondering if this may be result of lack of resources on the physical servers | 16:59 |
| rakhmerov | and your environment | 16:59 |
| rakhmerov | ddeja: yeah, that's what I thought, just a matter of environment or something | 16:59 |
| rakhmerov | but it needs to be looked at more closely.. | 17:00 |
| rbrady | I can setup a bluejeans session or google hangout and share my screen if anyone wants to inspect the environment | 17:00 |
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| rakhmerov | rbrady: yeah, I'd be happy too but it's the midnight for me now :) | 17:00 |
| rakhmerov | maybe tomorrow | 17:00 |
| rakhmerov | ooh, shoot... | 17:00 |
| rakhmerov | we need to end the meeting | 17:00 |
| rakhmerov | rbrady: we'll take care of this issue | 17:01 |
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| rakhmerov | have to close the meeting | 17:01 |
| rakhmerov | thanks for joining! | 17:01 |
| rakhmerov | bye | 17:01 |
| hparekh__ | thanks | 17:01 |
| mgershenzon | Bye | 17:01 |
| rakhmerov | #endmeeting | 17:01 |
| ddeja | bye | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:01 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon May 16 17:01:45 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2016/mistral.2016-05-16-16.01.html | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2016/mistral.2016-05-16-16.01.txt | 17:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2016/mistral.2016-05-16-16.01.log.html | 17:01 |
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| matjazp | #startmeeting training-guides | 17:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon May 16 17:02:10 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is matjazp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: training-guides)" | 17:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_guides' | 17:02 |
| matjazp | roll call | 17:02 |
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| ianychoi_phone | Hi | 17:03 |
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| matjazp | hey ianychoi_phone | 17:04 |
| matjazp | you're typing on the phone? | 17:04 |
| matjazp | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/training-guides-meeting-agenda | 17:04 |
| ianychoi_phone | Strangely, I cannot input enter key on my computer | 17:04 |
| matjazp | standard agenda, I guess | 17:05 |
| matjazp | Is you keyboard broken? | 17:05 |
| ianychoi_phone | I think so... hmm | 17:05 |
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| ianychoi_phone | Yep standard :) How have u been? | 17:05 |
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| matjazp | ok, so we can perhaps be short, so you don't have to type a lot on the phone | 17:05 |
| matjazp | ianychoi_phone: ok, and you? | 17:05 |
| ianychoi_phone | Yep Me too | 17:06 |
| matjazp | lets start with your review | 17:06 |
| matjazp | #topic training guides | 17:06 |
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| matjazp | I looked at your patch | 17:06 |
| matjazp | nice | 17:06 |
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| matjazp | its quite a big one too | 17:06 |
| matjazp | you could easily slice it to smaller pieces | 17:07 |
| matjazp | maybe it would be easier to review too | 17:07 |
| ianychoi_phone | Thanks:) But I need to enhance it | 17:07 |
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| ianychoi_phone | Yep, thanks for your good suggestion! | 17:07 |
| matjazp | sure, but you got the ball rolling and that what counts | 17:07 |
| matjazp | anyway, as I said in the review and on the ML - links to the Docs is encouraged, not just allowed | 17:08 |
| ianychoi_phone | I primarily focused on converting from xml to rst, but yep I need to change some content. For example, we should mention openstack-client | 17:08 |
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| ianychoi_phone | I met Lana on the last summit :) | 17:09 |
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| matjazp | yes, how was it? | 17:09 |
| ianychoi_phone | Nice! She also attended i18n meetup | 17:09 |
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| ianychoi_phone | It seems that other parts such as install-guide have some goals.. | 17:10 |
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| matjazp | Lana mentioned that they want to enhance Upstream training, which is awsome | 17:11 |
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| ianychoi_phone | The meetup focused on those goals, but I briefly talked with her, and she also encouraged training-guide stuffs :) | 17:11 |
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| matjazp | As I see it, there will also be a lot of smaller Upstream trainings around the globe.. I know that Marton is organising one in June in Budapest (Hungary) | 17:11 |
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| ianychoi_phone | I agree with that. At least, someone needs to update content with last Austin upstream training.. | 17:12 |
| ianychoi_phone | Yep! Hope that Hungary upstream training will be successful! | 17:12 |
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| matjazp | ok, but we deviated from the Training guides | 17:13 |
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| ianychoi_phone | Yep.. h | 17:14 |
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| matjazp | you can just clean your patch a bit and we'll merge it and restructure with smaller patches | 17:14 |
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| ianychoi_phone | Okay. I will reflect your comment first. Then I will enhance it with other patches | 17:15 |
| matjazp | in the future, you can just slice the topic into smaller chunks and submit reviews. I hope that will ease the review so other can contribute | 17:15 |
| ianychoi_phone | Thanks for the suggestion! | 17:15 |
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| ianychoi | Yep, I am come back:) | 17:17 |
| matjazp | #info steady progress on the Training guides | 17:17 |
| matjazp | oh, you fixed the Enter key :) | 17:17 |
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| ianychoi | I rebooted my computer :) | 17:17 |
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| matjazp | ? never heard that just one key stopped working... :) | 17:18 |
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| ianychoi | Strangely, alphabets worked but other keys (enter, tab, function keys, ...) did not work.. | 17:18 |
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| ianychoi | Anyway, I will update my patch very soon first, and update it later with other patches. Is it okay? | 17:19 |
| matjazp | sure, thanks for contributing | 17:19 |
| matjazp | move on? | 17:19 |
| ianychoi | It's my pleasure:) okay! | 17:19 |
| matjazp | #topic upstream training | 17:19 |
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| matjazp | #info there were some talk at the Austin Summit about contributing to the Upstream training | 17:20 |
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| ianychoi | Some talks? | 17:21 |
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| matjazp | hmm.. not the talk at the summit, but they were discussing changes at the Upstream training | 17:21 |
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| ianychoi | Yes. Positive changes will make upstream training content better :) | 17:22 |
| matjazp | #undo | 17:22 |
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| matjazp | #info Lana and Brian offered to expand the Upstream training with feedback from Austin Upstream training session | 17:23 |
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| matjazp | that's better wording, I hope | 17:24 |
| ianychoi | :) Nice! | 17:24 |
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| matjazp | I should ping them a bit, as a friendly reminder... Or maybe we can help if they give us raw feedback info | 17:25 |
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| matjazp | move on? | 17:25 |
| ianychoi | What kind of feedbacks were from Austin upstream training? If we know the feedback, then we can change upstream training! | 17:25 |
| catlook | one bit of feedback, it was hard to hear the presenter, since the mic wasn't used much | 17:26 |
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| catlook | also, it seemed like half the folks tried to follow along, and the rest just did their own thing | 17:26 |
| ianychoi | Thanks, catlook! | 17:27 |
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| matjazp | catlook: Thanks. it happens if the group is heterogenous with prior knowledge | 17:28 |
| matjazp | catlook: what about the material itself? | 17:29 |
| catlook | Mind you ,I think it served it's purpose. Maybe next time set it up like a min-conf, witha key note or two and then break out sessions with individual leaders | 17:29 |
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| matjazp | ok, thanks. I'll start a thread in Docs ML about feedback so we can enhance it | 17:30 |
| catlook | sure! | 17:30 |
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| ianychoi | Okay nice! | 17:30 |
| ianychoi | Last Tokyo upstream training were successful I think. I do not know too much how Austin upstream training accomplished, but there might have several factors... | 17:30 |
| matjazp | #info matjazp starts a thread on ML about Upstream training feedback | 17:30 |
| matjazp | #undo | 17:30 |
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| matjazp | #action matjazp starts a thread on ML about Upstream training feedback | 17:31 |
| catlook | The lego exercise was awesome lesson on how OS works together and individually | 17:31 |
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| matjazp | #info Upstream training feedback from catlook: presenter was hard to hear (better mic/not using them) | 17:33 |
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| ianychoi | matjazp, one question: who are in upstream-training@openstack.org ? Are you in upstream-training@openstack.org ? | 17:33 |
| ianychoi | I am not sure, but including upstream-training@openstack.org mailing list for discussions will be also nice I think. | 17:34 |
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| matjazp | #info Upstream training feedback from catlook: half trainees tried to follow along, and the rest just did their own thing | 17:34 |
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| matjazp | #info Upstream training feedback from catlook: change format to min-conf, with a key note or two and then break out sessions with individual leaders | 17:35 |
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| matjazp | catlook: thanks again, useful stuff! | 17:35 |
| catlook | you betcha! | 17:35 |
| ianychoi | +1 thanks, catlook ! | 17:36 |
| matjazp | ianychoi: no I'm not. | 17:36 |
| matjazp | catlook: if you remember anything else, we're here to listen :) | 17:36 |
| catlook | THat was most of it. My goal was to get through the contribution process, end-to-end, and become an ATC. Success :) And I learned more about OS, in the process, also good! | 17:37 |
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| matjazp | ianychoi: It's the contact for the Training session oganizers | 17:38 |
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| matjazp | catlook: exactly the point of the Upstream training :) | 17:38 |
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| matjazp | to help you with onboarding stuff | 17:39 |
| matjazp | ok, move to the aob? | 17:39 |
| ianychoi | To change upstream training materials better, I think we also need to discuss with Upstream training session organizers. How about also including the mailing list for discussions? | 17:40 |
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| matjazp | Sure, That's why I'll start a ML thread. I hope to get more feedback | 17:41 |
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| ianychoi | +1 | 17:41 |
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| ianychoi | Okay, then nothing more on this topic | 17:41 |
| matjazp | #topic aob (any other business) | 17:42 |
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| matjazp | anything else to discuss? | 17:42 |
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| ianychoi | Nothing too much.. for aob | 17:43 |
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| matjazp | wrap it up then? | 17:44 |
| ianychoi | Agree :) Thanks for today meeting! | 17:44 |
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| matjazp | ianychoi catlook : thanks for your time, see you! | 17:44 |
| matjazp | bye all | 17:44 |
| ianychoi | bye all! | 17:44 |
| catlook | :) | 17:45 |
| matjazp | #endmeeting | 17:45 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon May 16 17:45:21 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:45 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2016/training_guides.2016-05-16-17.02.html | 17:45 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2016/training_guides.2016-05-16-17.02.txt | 17:45 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2016/training_guides.2016-05-16-17.02.log.html | 17:45 |
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| ryanpetrello | #startmeeting astara | 18:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon May 16 18:01:47 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ryanpetrello. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:01 |
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| adam_g | o/ | 18:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'astara' | 18:01 |
| ryanpetrello | hey adam_g :D | 18:01 |
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| ryanpetrello | markmcclain rods eric_lopez | 18:02 |
| markmcclain | o/ | 18:02 |
| elo | hola | 18:02 |
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| rods | o/ | 18:03 |
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| ryanpetrello | glad to see everybody :D | 18:04 |
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| ryanpetrello | not much on my end, just tracking a few bugs | 18:04 |
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| ryanpetrello | https://bugs.launchpad.net/astara/+bug/1580756 stupidnic brought this up in our IRC channel the other day | 18:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1580756 in Astara "Default MASQUERADE Rule is too Broad" [Undecided,New] | 18:04 |
| ryanpetrello | though I haven't had a chance to dig yet | 18:05 |
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| markmcclain | I added a comment on this | 18:05 |
| ryanpetrello | we also found a minor bug in DreamCompute that affects astara kilo-liberty | 18:05 |
| ryanpetrello | I'll be filing an astara bug for it today and working on a patch | 18:05 |
| ryanpetrello | it *doesn't* affect mitaka; adam_g inadvertently fixed it while working on something else :) | 18:05 |
| markmcclain | for interop reasons we'll need to add support for snat extension | 18:05 |
| adam_g | ryanpetrello, w00t | 18:05 |
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| ryanpetrello | thx markmcclain - can you turn that comment into a descriptive blueprint? | 18:07 |
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| markmcclain | yeah... I can fill it out more | 18:07 |
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| ryanpetrello | I talked to dhellmann about adding the "release-managed" tag to our repos, and apparently that's potentially going away | 18:08 |
| adam_g | ryanpetrello, did you have some Q's about old blueprints? | 18:08 |
| ryanpetrello | adam_g, I did | 18:08 |
| ryanpetrello | let's chat about it today (or this week) | 18:08 |
| adam_g | sure | 18:09 |
| ryanpetrello | there are one or two where I want to confirm the state of them w/ you | 18:09 |
| ryanpetrello | a few I think are mostly done/implemented, but just wanted to make sure | 18:09 |
| adam_g | k | 18:09 |
| ryanpetrello | anybody else have any updates? | 18:09 |
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| rods | nothing here | 18:09 |
| elo | nothing here | 18:09 |
| ryanpetrello | adam_g or markmcclain ? | 18:10 |
| adam_g | not much here. working on rebasing some old func tests i wrote, and getting them passing against master | 18:10 |
| markmcclain | nothing else from me | 18:10 |
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| ryanpetrello | alright, perfect | 18:10 |
| ryanpetrello | thanks everyone | 18:10 |
| ryanpetrello | #endmeeting | 18:10 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon May 16 18:10:53 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:10 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/astara/2016/astara.2016-05-16-18.01.html | 18:10 |
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| armax | hello | 20:59 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 20:59 |
| haleyb | hi | 20:59 |
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| dougwig | O/ | 20:59 |
| hichihara | hi | 20:59 |
| regXboi | o/ | 21:00 |
| kevinbenton | hi | 21:00 |
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| yamahata | hello | 21:00 |
| blogan | hi! | 21:00 |
| regXboi | \o/ | 21:00 |
| armax | #startmeeting networking | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon May 16 21:00:48 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is armax. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 21:00 |
| sc68cal | o/ | 21:00 |
| njohnsto- | o/ | 21:00 |
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| armax | welcome to this exciting episode of the networking saga | 21:01 |
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| regXboi | who's got the drumroll? | 21:01 |
| armax | regXboi: I thought you did? | 21:01 |
| Sukhdev | hello | 21:01 |
| regXboi | heh - not me :) | 21:02 |
| armax | #announcements | 21:02 |
| armax | #topic Announcements | 21:02 |
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| armax | a reminder that we are well within the N-1 milestone | 21:02 |
| armax | a reminder of the schedule | 21:03 |
| armax | #link http://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html | 21:03 |
| armax | please familiarize yourselves with the deadlines | 21:03 |
| armax | especially for those of you who have cross-projets items to deal with | 21:03 |
| Swami | hi | 21:04 |
| Sukhdev | It is July 4th for N1, right? | 21:04 |
| armax | no | 21:04 |
| regXboi | uh... no - try memorial day (or 5/30 if you prefer) | 21:04 |
| armax | right | 21:04 |
| * carl_baldwin notices that's two weeks away! | 21:04 | |
| * regXboi is in the same boat | 21:05 | |
| armax | another calendar worth keeping in mind is the one about mid-cycle sprints | 21:05 |
| armax | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints | 21:05 |
| Sukhdev | wow!! I did not know it was so close - thanks for pointing it our armax | 21:05 |
| armax | Sukhdev: np that’s what I am here for! | 21:05 |
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| Sukhdev | armax : are we going to have any neutron sprint? | 21:06 |
| armax | I think HenryG (who may not attend this meeting) is working on flushing out details for a Neutron mid-cycle | 21:06 |
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| mlavalle | armax: so no neutron mid-cycle scheduler yet? | 21:06 |
| mestery | I can confirm HenryG is in fact fleshing those details out | 21:06 |
| armax | which is most likely gonna be sometime mid-August | 21:07 |
| regXboi | me whistles an air | 21:07 |
| armax | stay tuned | 21:07 |
| Sukhdev | looks like IBM may be hosting, right mestery ? | 21:08 |
| mestery | Sukhdev: That's what we're aiming for :) | 21:08 |
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| Sukhdev | mestery : I must be mind reader :-) | 21:08 |
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| armax | since we’re two weeks away from N-1, it wouldn’t be fair if I did not remind the current status of the milestone | 21:09 |
| armax | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/newton/+assignments | 21:09 |
| armax | or | 21:10 |
| armax | #link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/newton-1 | 21:10 |
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| armax | as you can see virtually 0% of RFE and Blueprints have been implemented, but that’s typical | 21:11 |
| armax | I had a question on blueprint https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/+spec/ml2-ovs-qos-with-dscp | 21:11 |
| njohnsto- | yes? | 21:11 |
| armax | njohnsto-: is the fullstack patch the only one outstanding? | 21:12 |
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| njohnsto- | Yes, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/288392 is the only one outstanding. I'll fix that up. | 21:13 |
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| armax | njohnsto-: ok, thanks | 21:13 |
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| armax | any other announcements/reminders? | 21:13 |
| armax | looks like there aren't | 21:14 |
| armax | #topic Bugs | 21:15 |
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| armax | looks like fullstack and functionals are still untamed beasts | 21:16 |
| armax | anyone cares to comment? We also had a couple gate breakages last week | 21:16 |
| haleyb | yes, some is due to this, https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1578866 | 21:16 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1578866 in OpenStack Identity (keystone) "Race condition between token validation and revocation API causes intermittent gate failures." [High,In progress] - Assigned to Lance Bragstad (lbragstad) | 21:16 |
| kevinbenton | time to disable and go back to unit tests :) | 21:16 |
| amuller | jlibosva is investigating and making progress on the functional job issue | 21:17 |
| armax | I just noticed that the integrated dashboard on grafana http://grafana.openstack.org/dashboard/db/neutron-failure-rate?panelId=5&fullscreen broke due to some recent change | 21:17 |
| lbragstad | o/ we're (the keystone team) iterating on a fix for ^ now | 21:17 |
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| amuller | related to the ovsdb probe | 21:17 |
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| * armax is probably to be blamed | 21:17 | |
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| armax | amakarov: shoot | 21:18 |
| armax | amuller: shoot | 21:18 |
| armax | er sorry | 21:18 |
| haleyb | lbragstad: thanks, i do get the bug updates :) | 21:18 |
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| lbragstad | haleyb cool - we hope to have it resolved soon | 21:19 |
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| amuller | armax: I was talking about https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1567668 | 21:19 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1567668 in neutron "Functional job sometimes hits global 2 hour limit and fails" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Jakub Libosvar (libosvar) | 21:19 |
| armax | amuller: ack | 21:19 |
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| armax | as far as Gate configuration goes | 21:20 |
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| armax | we recently made grenade multi voting and gating | 21:21 |
| sc68cal | woo | 21:21 |
| armax | we’ll continue on the journey towards improving our multinode coverage | 21:21 |
| armax | in the gate | 21:21 |
| sc68cal | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/neutron-multinode-jobs-newton | 21:22 |
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| armax | thanks sc68cal | 21:22 |
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| amuller | Speaking of testing, I did want to point people's attention and energy towards http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/094997.html ([openstack-dev] [Neutron][QA] Call to action - Neutron/Tempest API tests dedup). So far we have one volunteer, thank you Zhi Chang, we need a few more :) | 21:23 |
| armax | thanks amuller | 21:23 |
| armax | haleyb: anything else you’d like to add? | 21:24 |
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| haleyb | armax: the bugs were pretty light, mostly low priority | 21:25 |
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| armax | this week’s deputy is hichihara | 21:26 |
| hichihara | Yeah :) | 21:26 |
| armax | anyone interested in helping out next week? | 21:26 |
| armax | to stay on top of the bugs that keep piling up? | 21:26 |
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| armax | alternatively we can stop merging code, and surely the bug reports will slow down | 21:27 |
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| * armax leaves people to wonder if he’s serious | 21:27 | |
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| sc68cal | +1 full gate freeze | 21:27 |
| * regXboi is happy to supply the dry ice | 21:27 | |
| * carl_baldwin doesn't think that'll stop the bugs for a while. | 21:28 | |
| armax | carl_baldwin: there’s a long tail to deal with | 21:28 |
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| armax | so any volunteer for next week? | 21:29 |
| kevinbenton | O/ | 21:30 |
| carl_baldwin | I could do it. | 21:30 |
| armax | carl_baldwin: thanks | 21:30 |
| armax | kevinbenton: would you like to have a go the week after? | 21:30 |
| kevinbenton | Sure | 21:30 |
| armax | thanks folks | 21:31 |
| armax | #action carl_baldwin deputy for the week of 23rd | 21:31 |
| armax | #action kevinbenton deputy for the week of 30th | 21:31 |
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| armax | after bugs we typically go to docs etc | 21:32 |
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| armax | one thought that floated around during the summit was to talk about two special efforts we’re trying to pull together | 21:32 |
| armax | one is the client side transition to OSC | 21:32 |
| armax | the other one is completing the keystone v3 transition | 21:33 |
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| * sc68cal nodes that lib/neutron forces keystone v3 | 21:33 | |
| sc68cal | *notes | 21:33 |
| armax | I wonder if any of you find beneficial touching on these two on a regular basis | 21:33 |
| sc68cal | https://github.com/openstack-dev/devstack/blob/master/lib/neutron#L155 | 21:34 |
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| sc68cal | whoops that's for nova | 21:34 |
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| armax | it looks like we have neither rtheis nor amotoki in the channel | 21:35 |
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| armax | but I see dasm | 21:36 |
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| dougwig | the *aas/osc plan seemed a little weird. | 21:37 |
| dougwig | i can find amotoki offline, though | 21:37 |
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| armax | dougwig: what do you mean? | 21:37 |
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| dougwig | the general discussion was, in python-neutronclient or in the server repos. being in the server repos makes more sense, but then you pull in all the server deps on install. i was going to suggest that we start having -client repos for individual items, so we can break the monolith and not require pulling in server stuff. | 21:38 |
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| armax | dougwig: I suppose the argument against having individual client repos for each server side extension is that it’s probably not worth at this point? | 21:40 |
| dougwig | for lb/fw/vpn it would seem to be, but maybe that's because i already inherently think they're "different enough", and should only be there optionally if they're installed. | 21:41 |
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| dougwig | rarely have i been able to cause such silence. | 21:43 |
| armax | dougwig: from a user point of view it seems that the localtion of the client extension is not so much of an issue | 21:43 |
| armax | dougwig: assumed that everything is accessed through openstacklient | 21:43 |
| dougwig | it's more about aligning the responsibility of the code with the team that's making it. but then, i know i've always been on the side of "repos are cheap". | 21:44 |
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| amuller | dougwig: distro folks feel the pain =p | 21:44 |
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| armax | dougwig: I think this is a topic that’s gonna self-correct over time | 21:45 |
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| armax | well if there’s nothing else on docs we can move to | 21:46 |
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| ivc_ | what if we make api discoverable by client? something hateoas'ish? | 21:46 |
| armax | #topic Open Discussion | 21:46 |
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| dougwig | lively meeting this week. | 21:48 |
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| armax | ivc_: that’s a rather broad statement, but I think client capabilities and how these are implemented are two separate topics | 21:48 |
| njohnsto- | yeah, seriously | 21:48 |
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| armax | probably I have gone past my expiration date as a chair of these | 21:48 |
| * regXboi wonders if it's just still post austin hangover | 21:49 | |
| armax | or it’s just one of those where people are heads down working on what they are working | 21:49 |
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| amuller | dougwig: let's talk about deprecating something really popular | 21:49 |
| armax | if that’s the case, then we can all get 10 mins back and continue our errands | 21:49 |
| dougwig | we need to bring up ML3 or v3 api or microversioning or something. | 21:49 |
| haleyb | We're all multi-tasking waiting for someone to use our nick | 21:49 |
| kevinbenton | haleyb: interrupt driven participation | 21:49 |
| amuller | dougwig: so when are you deprecating Octavia and creating the new LBaaS thing? | 21:50 |
| regXboi | kevinbenton: you mean there's another model? | 21:50 |
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| kevinbenton | I thought Octavia was being shut down completely? | 21:50 |
| dougwig | amuller: i deleted it already. screw the packagers. | 21:50 |
| kevinbenton | And it's features rolled into fwaas | 21:50 |
| armax | let’s please not spread misinformation | 21:50 |
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| armax | come on, let’s call it a day | 21:51 |
| armax | #endmeeting | 21:51 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon May 16 21:51:06 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:51 |
| armax | thanks everyone | 21:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2016/networking.2016-05-16-21.00.html | 21:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2016/networking.2016-05-16-21.00.txt | 21:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2016/networking.2016-05-16-21.00.log.html | 21:51 |
| dougwig | later | 21:51 |
| njohnsto- | thanks armax | 21:51 |
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| amuller | dougwig: ouch | 21:51 |
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| docaedo | Anyone here yet for the App Ecosystem WG meeting? | 21:59 |
| mbonell | hi cris | 22:00 |
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| * CraigSterrett Craig is here | 22:00 | |
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| GheRivero | o/ | 22:00 |
| docaedo | mbonell, GheRivero, CraigSterrett - hello! | 22:00 |
| docaedo | #startmeeting app_ecosystem_wg | 22:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon May 16 22:00:42 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is docaedo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'app_ecosystem_wg' | 22:00 |
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| docaedo | I recently got off a plane and found wifi, glad the timing worked out :) | 22:01 |
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| leong | o/ | 22:01 |
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| leong | hellow | 22:01 |
| docaedo | CraigSterrett: do you have a link to the agenda handy? | 22:02 |
| docaedo | leong: hello! | 22:02 |
| qwebirc83432 | Hello | 22:02 |
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| CraigSterrett | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/2016_May_16_App_Ecosystem_Workgroup | 22:02 |
| docaedo | thanks! | 22:02 |
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| CraigSterrett | Guess there wasn't anything in that etherpad | 22:03 |
| docaedo | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/2016_May_11_App_Ecosystem_Workgroup Last Weeks meeting agenda | 22:03 |
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| docaedo | Nice thing about an IRC meeting is that meetingbot will give us a nice set of minutes (including attendees, who talked, etc.) | 22:04 |
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| CraigSterrett | that was a separate meeting where we just went over the plans for FirstApp | 22:05 |
| docaedo | so anyone who is here for the meeting (now that it started) should say hello, or wave with a "o/" | 22:05 |
| CraigSterrett | But I can give an update if you like | 22:05 |
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| docaedo | ah no, I was not at that meeting, I just saw it was the last one when I was looking around for the agenda for this week | 22:05 |
| annegentle | o/ hi | 22:05 |
| GheRivero | o/ | 22:05 |
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| leong | o/ | 22:06 |
| CraigSterrett | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/2016_May_9_App_Ecosystem_Workgroup | 22:06 |
| CraigSterrett | That is the last one | 22:06 |
| docaedo | Hopefully we'll see John here :) | 22:06 |
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| docaedo | Let's start with status updates from last week | 22:07 |
| docaedo | #topic status updates | 22:07 |
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| docaedo | CraigSterrett, do you have a quick recap of the "plans for the fistapp" meeting? | 22:07 |
| mbonell | o/ | 22:07 |
| docaedo | (and sorry to put you on the spot suddenly!) | 22:07 |
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| CraigSterrett | I have heard back from Carolyn Van Slyck and she has said she will work on the .NET Firstapp | 22:08 |
| docaedo | thats good news! | 22:08 |
| CraigSterrett | and also Jamie Hannaford has agreed to work on the pkgcloud | 22:08 |
| CraigSterrett | Flanders was supposed to check on jcloud | 22:08 |
| CraigSterrett | I have not heard back on that one yet | 22:08 |
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| docaedo | Sounds like pretty good progress here though, thanks | 22:09 |
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| CraigSterrett | The plan is to also try and complete one for Python using a OpenStack SDK either shade or python-openstack | 22:09 |
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| leong | As far the FirstApp is concerned, i think the next step is: 1. Finished up shade. 2. .NET with OpenStack.NET. 3. Java with jcloud | 22:10 |
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| leong | ps: not listed in order | 22:10 |
| CraigSterrett | Yep I agree | 22:10 |
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| mbonell | :Craig, do you have any update from Caleb? | 22:10 |
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| leong | so we already have Caroyln Van Slyck covering OpenStack.NET | 22:10 |
| docaedo | good to see all of those progressing, and nice to know they can happen in parallel | 22:11 |
| GheRivero | I can help with shade | 22:11 |
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| CraigSterrett | No I fogot to get ahold of Caleb | 22:11 |
| CraigSterrett | I will do that today | 22:11 |
| mbonell | ok, thanks | 22:11 |
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| leong | docaedo, do you want to mark that as an agreement as in the irc notes | 22:12 |
| mbonell | Caleb will help with shade, he attended the wg session in austin | 22:12 |
| docaedo | #chair leong | 22:12 |
| openstack | Current chairs: docaedo leong | 22:12 |
| johncallaghan | sorry for being late and no etherpad | 22:12 |
| docaedo | johncallaghan: no problem, great to see you here! | 22:12 |
| johncallaghan | glad to be here. | 22:13 |
| docaedo | leong: not sure which part you want to make an agreement so I made you co-chair so meetingbot will listen to you ;) | 22:13 |
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| johncallaghan | it may be a short stay as I am being pulled out in a couple of minutes. | 22:13 |
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| leong | following up from the FirstApp meeting on May 11, i think we agree to finish up shade for python | 22:14 |
| leong | then also work on jCloud (java) and OpenStack.NET (.NET) | 22:14 |
| docaedo | Maybe that should be then: | 22:14 |
| johncallaghan | leong, can you lead today? | 22:14 |
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| leong | these are the 3 priority for this cycle (First App) | 22:14 |
| docaedo | #action finish work on first app tutorial for shade | 22:14 |
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| leong | ok | 22:14 |
| docaedo | #action Begin working on jcloud (java) and OpenStack.NET for First App tutorial | 22:14 |
| johncallaghan | thanks | 22:15 |
| leong | docaedo +1 | 22:15 |
| docaedo | BTW I should have started out first with a big thank you to everyone for taking the leap into IRC for this meeting, hopefully it'll prove to be a productive communication channel for us! | 22:15 |
| annegentle | did Liang Bo want to work with Carolyn on .NET? | 22:15 |
| annegentle | (seeing that name in the spreadsheet) | 22:16 |
| CraigSterrett | He said he doesn't have any time to work on it now | 22:16 |
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| leong | so someone need to follow up the status of FirstApp for Shade, OpenStack.NET and jCloud | 22:16 |
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| CraigSterrett | I am taking that on | 22:18 |
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| leong | thank craig | 22:18 |
| annegentle | ok thanks for checking, Craig! | 22:18 |
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| leong | #action CraigSterrett to follow the FirstApp status for Shade, jCloud and OpenStack.NET | 22:18 |
| leong | i think that's should be all for the FirstApp update? | 22:19 |
| leong | anymore to discuss with respect to FirstApp? | 22:19 |
| CraigSterrett | Nope | 22:19 |
| leong | what's next for the status update? | 22:19 |
| leong | Hackathons? | 22:20 |
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| CraigSterrett | The next hackathon will be in Mexico, but unfortunately that meeting is going on right now, so thats where Victor is | 22:20 |
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| docaedo | ah that makes sense | 22:20 |
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| mbonell | yes, I'm in both meetings haha | 22:20 |
| mbonell | :p | 22:21 |
| annegentle | hee mbonell | 22:21 |
| leong | oh.. ok.. that's let's put this to next meeting review | 22:21 |
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| docaedo | I have a quick status update re: IRC | 22:21 |
| CraigSterrett | LOL I was just going to say you could give an update | 22:21 |
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| leong | #action Victor to update the App Hackathon status | 22:21 |
| docaedo | We have this meeting time slot reserved for every other week | 22:21 |
| mbonell | expect our updates for next week ;) | 22:21 |
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| leong | anything else from status updates? | 22:22 |
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| docaedo | I have been buried with work this week and did not get to write the spec yet for hosting an IRC setup for people, but will get to it no later than end of next week | 22:22 |
| docaedo | The spec is for hosting "the lounge" and the testing on small scale has been going great, so I have high hopes it will provide a VERY easy entry point for people who aren't familiar with IRC | 22:22 |
| leong | can I put that as an AR for you, docaedo :-) | 22:22 |
| docaedo | #action Aedo to submit spec for OpenStack Infra to host "The Lounge" IRC client by 5/27 | 22:23 |
| annegentle | how's the Python SDK work rolling along? | 22:23 |
| leong | sound god :) | 22:23 |
| leong | annegentle, do you mean the FirstApp for Python? | 22:23 |
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| leong | For python: the libcloud is complete, the next step for Python is Shade | 22:24 |
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| CraigSterrett | I had another AR from lastweek, To come up with a definition of what an OpenStack app is | 22:25 |
| annegentle | leong: more specifically, the Python SDK, FirstApp for that, is shade preferred? | 22:25 |
| CraigSterrett | I sent an initial "what is an app" to Flanders Chris and Victor but didn't hear back. Figured I would try to get a few people to somewhat agree before blasting it to the community | 22:25 |
| leong | CraigSterrett, you might want extend that email to the maillist | 22:26 |
| annegentle | #link https://github.com/openstack/python-openstacksdk | 22:26 |
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| annegentle | that one ^^ | 22:26 |
| docaedo | CraigSterrett: Sorry about not responding, I'll see if I can get my thoughts together for a response soon | 22:27 |
| docaedo | I think it's OK to just share the thread and cause lots of thrashing (that is the OpenStack way I think!) | 22:27 |
| CraigSterrett | We do not have anybody working on the python-openstack SDK | 22:27 |
| leong | annegentle, i didn't see that in the previous meeting, is anyone interested creating the FirstApp for python-openstacksdk? | 22:27 |
| docaedo | Super short version though, the more I think about it the more I believe Murano is the only project trying to support such a thing as a *distributable* OpenStack app | 22:27 |
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| johncallaghan | I must go, glad to see this is getting good participation. Thanks Leong and Everyone! | 22:28 |
| annegentle | leong: oh, looks like http://developer.openstack.org/draft/firstapp-openstacksdk is the draft, and Christian is listed on the spreadsheet. Looks like it's being tracked. | 22:28 |
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| annegentle | mbonell: I also wanted to follow up on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/292537/ -- can you address reviewer comments or would you like me to? | 22:29 |
| leong | CraigSterrett and docaedo, i would suggest to forward the "openstack app" discussion to maillist when you are ready | 22:30 |
| docaedo | +1 | 22:30 |
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| leong | #action CraigSterrett & docaedo to extend the "openstack app" discussion to maillist when ready | 22:30 |
| mbonell | annegentle: go ahead please | 22:31 |
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| leong | anything else for status update? | 22:31 |
| docaedo | nothing from me | 22:31 |
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| CraigSterrett | Nothing from me | 22:31 |
| annegentle | mbonell: okie doke | 22:32 |
| leong | we don't have agenda for today... so what else we need to discuss next? | 22:32 |
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| leong | any specific topic that the team want to discuss here? | 22:33 |
| docaedo | We can do: | 22:33 |
| docaedo | #topic Open discussion | 22:33 |
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| docaedo | (just for the sake of organization) | 22:34 |
| leong | good one :) | 22:34 |
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| leong | question: is next meeting also irc meeting? | 22:34 |
| CraigSterrett | no voice, we alternate | 22:34 |
| docaedo | no, next one is phone, and we'll alternate week by week | 22:34 |
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| leong | oh.. ok.. | 22:34 |
| leong | so is John the chair for next meeting? | 22:35 |
| CraigSterrett | yes | 22:35 |
| CraigSterrett | We do need to work on what training we are planning for Spain | 22:35 |
| CraigSterrett | are we going to do a training class based on firstapp | 22:35 |
| leong | you mean Barcelona Summit? | 22:35 |
| CraigSterrett | yeah | 22:36 |
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| leong | i think we can have a brainstorm session for that, maybe in the next meeting? | 22:36 |
| leong | or if anyone has a suggestion here? | 22:37 |
| CraigSterrett | guess not | 22:38 |
| mbonell | today I'll deliver an small workshop in guadalajara http://www.meetup.com/OpenStack-GDL/events/229034031/ | 22:38 |
| leong | #action team to brainstorm what training should be provided at Barcelona Summit | 22:38 |
| carolbarrett_ | As we create more training, we should look at ways we can enable openstack users groups to use the content and deliver local training | 22:38 |
| docaedo | Flanders did give some guidance on this as well, regarding the app dev dojo stuff | 22:38 |
| mbonell | my objective is also find the proper way to deliver this trainig for barcelona | 22:38 |
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| leong | the dojo is train the trainer.. i think flander has plan for that | 22:39 |
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| mbonell | yep, train the trainer was the objective in austin, the next step is the dojo (training) | 22:40 |
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| docaedo | ah ok, I thought he was pushing for that model though (with people grouped into 5s, etc.) | 22:40 |
| docaedo | BTW I added Craig and John's IRC nics as chairs for future meetings: https://review.openstack.org/317120 | 22:41 |
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| docaedo | I left myself in there as an unofficial fallback :) | 22:41 |
| leong | anyone following up with Flander on the dojo? | 22:42 |
| CraigSterrett | I have an update from Caleb on FirstApp for Shade: It is correct that I was the main contributor for that piece of the firstapp repo. I have started on the Swift part of the tutorial, I have not had time to finish it though, I hope to finish it in the next week and then get it reviewed, but I'm not sure if I will be able to. Bruno has given me an account on his cloud for testing, so that's what I'm using | 22:43 |
| annegentle | I'd like to work on "deploying apps on OpenStack" as a training session, what do you all think? | 22:43 |
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| docaedo | annegentle: I think that would be great! What are you thinking about for the deployment (and packaging) approach? | 22:43 |
| CraigSterrett | That is where have got stuck on what is an app. Deploying apps on OpenStack means so many different things to different people | 22:44 |
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| annegentle | docaedo: lots of sections: heat/Orchestration, puppet/chef/ansible (w/heat if needed), containers (docker, mesos, kubernetes) | 22:46 |
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| annegentle | docaedo: images, murano, as possibilities, then best practices around perf/testing/security/12factors/etc | 22:47 |
| annegentle | what do you think CraigSterrett ? | 22:47 |
| docaedo | annegentle: love it - I've been thinking a *lot* about that stuff for a while too, will help you if I can find any extra time | 22:47 |
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| mbonell | looks very complete! | 22:47 |
| CraigSterrett | I agree I think that it would be good | 22:48 |
| leong | The Enterprise WG is working on a series of workload reference architecture (3-tier, ecommerc, media, big data) and with sample heat for deploying on openstack | 22:48 |
| annegentle | docaedo: CraigSterrett: ok, cool, def. starting to write. | 22:48 |
| annegentle | leong: that would be great! | 22:48 |
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| annegentle | sorry, I have to run, but thanks for the feedback/input | 22:49 |
| annegentle | and for moving to IRC, helps me in my timezone anyway | 22:49 |
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| leong | we have 11 mins left.. anything else to discuss? | 22:50 |
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| CraigSterrett | Do we have anybody to work up a proposal for the training suggested by Anne? I wasn't sure if she was offering | 22:50 |
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| leong | i think we can follow up that discussion in the "brainstorming" session next meeting | 22:51 |
| CraigSterrett | ok | 22:51 |
| mbonell | yep | 22:51 |
| docaedo | That sounds like a good plan | 22:51 |
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| leong | i believe i have added that as one of the action item | 22:51 |
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| leong | #action team to brainstorm what training should be provided at Barcelona Summit | 22:52 |
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| leong | #action follow up with annegentle proposal "deploying app on openstack" | 22:52 |
| leong | any other open? | 22:53 |
| mbonell | no | 22:53 |
| CraigSterrett | no | 22:53 |
| docaedo | nothing here | 22:53 |
| leong | we shall "talk" next week then :) | 22:53 |
| mbonell | see you! | 22:53 |
| docaedo | Looking forward to it! | 22:53 |
| leong | thank you everyone! | 22:53 |
| CraigSterrett | bye | 22:53 |
| docaedo | thanks! | 22:53 |
| leong | #endmeeting | 22:53 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon May 16 22:53:56 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:53 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_ecosystem_wg/2016/app_ecosystem_wg.2016-05-16-22.00.html | 22:53 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_ecosystem_wg/2016/app_ecosystem_wg.2016-05-16-22.00.txt | 22:54 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_ecosystem_wg/2016/app_ecosystem_wg.2016-05-16-22.00.log.html | 22:54 |
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