Wednesday, 2016-05-18

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JRobinson__Hi all, the OpenStack docs APAC meeting is set to start in about 15 minutes.00:15
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loquacities#startmeeting docteam00:30
openstackMeeting started Wed May 18 00:30:22 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is loquacities. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.00:30
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'docteam'00:30
loquacitieshi! who's here?00:30
JRobinson__Morning o/00:31
loquacitiesheya JRobinson__00:31
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loquacitiesJRobinson__: if it's just you and me, i might take my germs back to bed :S00:32
JRobinson__loquacities, makes sense. It's very quiet > >00:33
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loquacitiesit does appear so00:33
rstarmerI popped in to say hello00:33
loquacitiesoh hi rstarmer :)00:33
rstarmerhello all (or both :)00:34
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loquacitiesany questions or anything i can help with, since we're here?00:34
rstarmernothing on my end.00:34
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loquacitiesoh hi katomo00:34
loquacitiesthat makes four00:35
katomohi loquacities00:35
loquacitieswe can probably call that a quorum00:35
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JRobinson__katomo, rstarmer o/00:35
loquacitieslet's burn through this real quick :)00:35
loquacities#topic Action items from the last meeting00:35
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loquacitiesi don't believe we have any00:35
loquacities#topic Specs in review #link,n,z00:35
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JRobinson__This is the first since summit00:35
loquacities#link (Docs Contributor Guide Reorganization)00:35
JRobinson__There is a contributor guide spec ^00:36
loquacitiesJRobinson__: yes, but the US meeting was last week00:36
JRobinson__that needs review00:36
loquacitiesyes, it seems good to me, and can probably be merged, i think00:36
JRobinson__loquacities, very true! I'm behind a bit.00:36
loquacitiesJRobinson__: you and me both ;)00:36
loquacities#link (Newton Install Guide)00:36
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loquacitiesthis looks like it has broad agreement now, too00:36
loquacitiesjust needs some core love00:36
loquacitieswould be nice to get that merged this week00:36
loquacitiesany questions on specs?00:37
katomonothing from me00:37
loquacitiesright, moving on ...00:37
rstarmernothing from me either.00:37
loquacities#topic Speciality teams: #link
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JRobinson__is it a pair of +2 and 1 +1 to merge?00:37
loquacitiesJRobinson__: at least one +1, one +2, and one +2A00:37
JRobinson__loquacities, thanks I was getting confused00:38
loquacitiesit's the same as regular reviews00:38
loquacitiesalthough we do expect one of the +2s to come from the speciality team lead00:38
loquacitiesif possible00:38
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rstarmeradded a +1 for good measure.00:38
loquacitiesok, current speciality team reports are in the link00:39
loquacitiesthanks rstarmer :)00:39
loquacitiesi only have two pieces of news here:00:39
loquacities#info Install Guide: meeting has been rebooted:
loquacities#info Blair Bethwaite is now looking after the Hypervisor tuning guide00:39
loquacitiesanything else on speciality teams?00:39
JRobinson__I'm aiming to restart User Guide meetings tomorrow00:40
katomonone at now00:40
JRobinson__I have an agenda to update by end of today.00:40
loquacitiesJRobinson__: ok, cool00:40
JRobinson__and email notice to send out00:40
loquacities#topic Countdown to release:00:40
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loquacities#info 140 days!00:40
loquacitiesso the newton deliverables have their own wiki page00:41
loquacitiesplease try and keep it up to date00:41
loquacitiesi'll do the same when i write the newsletter on fridays00:41
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loquacitiesanything on newton deliverables?00:41
loquacitiesok, moving on00:42
loquacities#topic Open discussion00:42
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loquacitiesany final points?00:42
JRobinson__none from me00:42
loquacitiesnice quick one00:42
rstarmerall good :)00:42
katomoRemove the Python SDK source files from openstack-manuals, move the files to the api-site ?00:43
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katomoIn my understand, this is a final step of user guides reorg/00:44
loquacitiesoh, what needs to happen there?00:44
JRobinson__katomo, I'm not sure of the status of this move with the API conversion00:44
JRobinson__hmm, the links are 404 and not found.00:45
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katomodo we need to talk with Anne?00:46
loquacitiesanne would be the best bet00:46
loquacitiesmaybe drop her an email?00:46
JRobinson__I'm drafting one now00:46
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katomoso quick :)00:46
loquacitiesok, is that everything then?00:46
katomonone from me00:47
loquacitieseasy, thanks for coming :)00:47
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openstackMeeting ended Wed May 18 00:47:12 2016 UTC.  Information about MeetBot at . (v 0.1.4)00:47
openstackMinutes (text):
katomothanks, all00:47
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JRobinson__o/ thanks everyone00:49
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therve#startmeeting heat08:00
openstackMeeting started Wed May 18 08:00:14 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is therve. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.08:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'heat'08:00
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therve#topic Roll call08:00
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thervetiantian ricolin08:01
skraynevtherve: I can help with hosting, but would like to give a chance to other guys ;)08:02
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therve#topic Adding items to agenda08:03
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therve#topic Make grenade non-voting08:03
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therveOkay, I added this08:03
therveI'm getting more and more annoyed with the grenade job08:04
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therveI feel that's it's the one that's failing the most08:04
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therveAnd never because of actual Heat changes AFAICT08:04
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stevebakeris it running non heat tests?08:04
ramishrayeah, most of the time it's the tempest tests08:04
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thervestevebaker, Yeah08:05
therveAlso, it relies on devstack to work on 2 versions08:05
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therveWhich is too much to ask apparently08:05
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stevebakerhow about we start by only running the heat tempest tests08:05
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thervestevebaker, It wouldn't really fix the issues with devstack08:06
stevebakerI realise that doesn't solve devstack version issues08:06
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ramishratempest smoke tests, not heat related are the normal failures08:06
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shardyo/ sorry I'm late08:06
therveHum I guess the latest one was because of tempest though08:06
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therveMaybe one step would be to disable vpnaas08:06
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therveI've learnt that it's on maintenance mode, and it's a easy target for the failures we've had recently08:07
ramishraIMO, not a good idea to just abandon it, probably we need to find a way to make it stable?08:07
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stevebakerwe could turn off every service which is not involved in the heat tempest tests08:08
therveramishra, So what do you think of removing vpnaas?08:08
ramishrawe can skip all neutron tempest tests08:08
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skraynevtherve: I thought, that we have a plan to remove all heat non-related tests from tempest job08:08
skraynevpotentially and for grenade job too08:08
stevebakerskraynev: by then tempest will be able to run tests from the heat tree08:09
stevebakerskraynev: so there can be way more heat tests running in grenade08:09
skraynevtherve: I don't see an important reason to execute tests from other projects on our gates08:09
ramishraskraynev: its the devstack-gate running the tempest smoke tests after upgrade08:09
therveskraynev, That's fair08:09
skraynevstevebaker: yeah. it make sense for me08:09
stevebakerespecially ones which don't depend on heat08:09
ramishrathat normally fails08:09
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thervevpnaas is involved in our tests though08:09
therveFor now08:10
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skraynevtherve: is it difficult to disable it for our gates ?08:10
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therveI don't think so08:11
therve#addchair ricolin08:11
skraynevI can take a look on it, but if someone already know what need to do...08:11
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therveHum :)08:12
stevebakerhash chair08:12
therve#chair ricolin08:12
openstackCurrent chairs: ricolin therve08:12
ramishraI tried disabling neutron tests for the job
ramishrabut it seems project-config changes does not work with Depends-On.08:13
therveramishra, Should we do that all the time ?08:13
therveYeah it doesn't08:13
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therveAnyway have to, sorry08:13
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ricolinI will take over then:)08:14
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ricolinneed more discuss on this topic?08:16
ramishraAFAIK, there is no way to disable a specific test08:16
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ramishraso out best option is to disable neutron tests if we want rather than making the job non-voting08:16
stevebakerthere must be, we'll be using it extensively when tempest runs our in tree tests08:16
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ramishrastevebaker: you mean disabling specific test in devstack-gate?08:17
stevebakerramishra: I mean specifying which tests tempest should run08:18
skraynev+1 for stevebaker's suggestion08:19
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ramishrastevebaker: job specific? I don't know how to do it.08:19
ricolinIs it make sense to seperate into two gate? Heat tempest gate (voting) and other(non-voting)?08:19
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stevebakerwhy have the other at all?08:20
skraynevricolin: more jobs more time for execution ;)08:20
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stevebakerramishra: there must be something in the project config for that job which allows specifying what tests to run08:21
ricolinThen we can really choose just run HEAT tempest, like stevebaler suggest08:21
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skraynevramishra: I see, that in project-config we have such line08:23
skraynevexport DEVSTACK_GATE_TEMPEST_REGEX="orchestration"08:23
skraynevfor apache job...08:24
skraynevmay be we may do the same for other?08:24
skraynevramishra: hm.. and it really uses only heat related tests
skraynevlet's use it for grenade08:26
stevebakerand it should be possible to set OVERRIDE_ENABLED_SERVICES to a much smaller list of services08:26
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ricolin#topic Spec-lite review:
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openstackLaunchpad bug 1582837 in heat "Add resource IDs as an attribute on ResourceGroup" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Jay Dobies (jdob)08:27
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ricolinWhat about this one?08:28
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shardyDon't we already have a refs attribute that does this?08:29
* shardy looks at the bug08:29
stevebakershardy: the description says the refs attribute is a list not a map08:29
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shardystevebaker: shouldn't we just make SoftwareDeploymentGroup work with a list?08:30
shardythen it'll also work with ASG IIRC08:30
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stevebakerthere is a reason it needs maps - I think they key is used as the resource name inside the group08:31
shardystevebaker: We could have it also accept a list, e.g via a different property, and just increment using the index as the resource name?08:31
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shardythat would also make it much easier if you want to join multiple groups of servers into one big SoftwareDeploymentGroup for "allnodes" type actions08:32
shardyvs map_merging a bunch of conflicting keys08:32
stevebakershardy: we would end up with deployment group members having different indexes/names to their corresponding resource group members - that would be hella confusing08:32
stevebakershardy: having a name->name mapping makes the association more obvious08:33
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shardyHmm, maybe08:33
shardythen we need to make repeat capable of generating a map I guess08:33
shardyso we can generate a merged map for multiple ResourceGroups08:33
shardy{Controller0: <id>, Compute0: <id>} etc08:33
shardy+1 for jdob's spec-lite then I guess08:36
shardywith a request for enabling map_merge/repeat to join the resulting maps for multiple resource groups08:36
stevebakerhe may need to explore the consequences a bit more08:36
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shardyIf we do this, we should add the same attribute to ASG I think08:37
stevebakershardy: +108:37
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stevebakershall we move on to general biz?08:43
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ricolin#topic Open discussion08:43
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ricolinsorry for that, not aware that I'm off line08:44
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ricolinCould someone review on
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KanagarajMstevebaker, nova_instance -> physcail_resource_id, splitted into two after your comment. kindly have a look.08:45
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stevebakerI've started a couple of performance improvement series 1.
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stevebakerKanagarajM: ok, thanks08:46
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KanagarajMstevebaker, for other one schema change, we need to decide on.08:48
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shardy_I had a question re heatclient and event --follow on-failure behavior08:48
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shardy_I added recently which includes the deployment ID in the event reason08:48
shardy_I'm wondering if adding an option to show the resource associated with a failed resource/event when in --follow mode would be a generally useful thing08:49
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shardy_my main requirement is doing a deployment-show when a deployment resource fails, but we could extend it to be more general08:49
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stevebakerricolin: there may be some standard exponential backoff logic you can re-use in that change08:50
shardy_stevebaker: I know you started looking at this, does it make sense to revive your work, and/or add this to heatclient?08:50
ramishraWould appreciate some reviews for and
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stevebakershardy_: yes, once the failures command exists by itself it would be good to have an event list option to print the same failure format on a resource failure08:51
ricolinstevebaker: Sure, althrough during summit, some discussion point to that we can ignore for Exponential backoff08:52
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shardy_stevebaker: Ok, cool - basically I want it to dump the stderr out every time we have a deployment FAILED08:52
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stevebakershardy_: my original aim was for tripleoclient to just run the failures command on stack failure08:52
shardy_stevebaker: yeah, we can do that, I was just thinking it's a more generally useful thing08:52
stevebakershardy_: this does that already in its own command
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stevebakeroh, wait, wrong client08:53
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shardy_stevebaker: thanks, will check it out - OK if I rebase it so I can test?08:54
stevebakersure thing08:54
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skraynevguys, regarding decision on summit
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skraynevmake rally job periodical08:55
stevebakerskraynev: how do we see the results of a periodic job?08:55
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ricolinusing a heat patch to point to a gate job patch(add rally)?08:57
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skraynevstevebaker: umm.. I forgot to find this info08:58
skraynevwait a sec08:58
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stevebakeroo, shiny08:59
skraynevlooks like this link should work ^08:59
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stevebakertimes up09:00
ricolintime's up09:00
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ricolinback to heat:)09:01
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Yipeihi, my connection is not stable13:01
joehuanglet's start the tricircle meeting13:01
joehuang#startmeeting tricircle13:01
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joehuanghello, Zhiyuan is attending the OSCON in Austin, USA13:01
joehuangso he will not attend the meeting13:02
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joehuangand he will have a joint session with google engineer to talk about tricircle and ubernets(Kubernets cluster federation) in OSCON13:03
joehuang#topic rollcall13:03
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joehuang#info joehuang13:03
Ronghui#info Ronghui13:03
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Yipei#info Yipei13:03
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joehuang#topic cross pod L2 networking and dynamic pod binding13:04
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joehuangwe have several round review of these specifications13:05
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joehuangdo you have any questions in implementation and comments13:05
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Yipeii submit a patch to add resource_affinity_tag13:07
Yipeibut encounter following errors13:07
YipeiIt is likely that your change has a merge conflict. You may resolve it in the working tree now as described above and then run 'git review' again, or if you do not want to resolve it yet (note that the change can not merge until the conflict is resolved) you may run 'git rebase --abort' then 'git review -R' to upload the change without rebasing.13:07
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Ronghuiwait for a moment  qiongqiu's network is not stable13:08
joehuangbecause your base has been changed13:08
joehuangyou have to do the code rebase13:08
joehuangand you'd better to have your own branch, but not directly modified in the master branch13:09
Yipeiyes, i create a new branch13:09
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joehuangyou can try  'git rebase --abort'13:11
joehuangbefore you run this command13:11
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joehuangplease backup your modification13:11
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joehuangthen git clone the latest code13:11
joehuangand create your own branch and switch to this branch13:12
Yipeiok, got it13:12
joehuangthen edit your code, and test it13:12
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joehuangafter everything is ok, including pep8, py27 test...13:12
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Yipeiok, got it13:13
joehuangthen git add/commit/review13:13
Yipeii execute git commit -a -amend13:13
Yipeithen git review13:13
joehuangno, for the first time, don't use -amend13:14
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lxqhi. Sorry for late13:16
joehuangyou are welcome13:17
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Yipeii think i still need to do some research on measurement13:17
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joehuangmeasurement is not the key13:20
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joehuangthe key is the framework13:20
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lxqis dynamic pod bingding visible to end user?13:22
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joehuangit's not visible to end user13:23
joehuangonly admin can query the binding information13:23
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lxqyou mean it is just suppled to admin?13:23
lxqok, i understand13:23
joehuangany doubts on L2 networking?13:24
RonghuiL2 networking is so complex ~13:24
Ronghuithat is our feeling13:24
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joehuangyes, it's a little complex13:25
joehuangwhat's the concrete issues for you13:26
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Ronghuifirst  should we have to change the network model of pod  for text different use case13:27
joehuangit's configuration to use vlan or vxlan, of course if vlan is used, you have to make the provider network support this13:29
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joehuangthere are lots of bugs reported recently13:30
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joehuangwould you like to fix some of them13:31
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joehuangthrough the bug fix, and try to run tricircle, you will become family with the code13:32
lxqok,i will try it13:32
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joehuangsorry, familar13:32
joehuanggood to see the new patches from you13:34
joehuangso any other topics?13:36
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Ronghuii have a question13:36
Ronghuiabout the dynamic pod bingding13:36
joehuangand Yipei, please register a blueprint in for dynamic pod binding13:37
Ronghuiwhen the dynamic pod bingding happend , whether it is effect on VMs?13:37
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joehuangand link the bp in the spec commit message, just like that in cross pod L2 networking13:38
joehuangjust for later new provisioned VMs/Volumes13:38
joehuang#action register a blueprint in for dynamic pod binding13:38
joehuang#action link the bp in the spec commit message and spec, just like that in cross pod L2 networking13:39
joehuangmore questions, ronghui?13:39
RonghuiA situation occurred13:39
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Ronghuithat  at the same PM13:39
Ronghuithe VM will in different pod ?13:40
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joehuangwhat's PM, you mean baremetal machine? or physical server?13:40
Ronghuiphysical server13:41
joehuangno physical server only belongs to one bottom pod13:41
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joehuangno, physical server only belongs to one bottom pod13:41
Ronghuibefore dynamic pod bingding the PM will in pod1 bingding on AZ113:41
Ronghuibut bottom pod not only belongs to one AZ13:42
Yipei@joe, there already exists a blueprint of dynamic-pod-binding13:42
joehuangno, one pod only inside one AZ13:42
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Ronghuii mean that  bottom pod not just belongs to one AZ13:42
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joehuangok, please add link in the spec13:43
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joehuangand commit message13:43
Ronghuiit just belongs to one AZ but the bingding will change the belong to13:43
joehuangone bottom pod just belongs to one AZ13:44
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joehuangno, the binding is about the relationship of tenant and pod13:44
Yipeii am not allowed to edit the spec url13:44
Ronghuiwhen dynamic pod bingding happened it also not change?13:44
joehuangto Yipei, you need to change the asignee13:45
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joehuangto Ronghui, yes13:45
RonghuiAZ>>>>>pod>>>>tenent    the change happened in pod>>>>>tenent?13:46
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joehuanga tenant can be bound to different pod in different AZ13:47
joehuangyou can read the google doc blueprint for the relationship of these concepts13:47
Ronghuiok  i know13:47
Ronghuii confuse the migration and bound..13:48
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joehuangok, let's end the meeting13:48
Yipeihow to change the assignee13:48
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joehuanghave you log on to the site, if yes, you should be able to add yourself as the asignee13:49
Yipeiyes i have logged on the site13:49
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joehuangI have asigned the bp to you13:50
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joehuangok, see you13:51
Yipeii works13:51
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SotKanyone here for the storyboard meeting?15:01
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SotK#startmeeting storyboard15:01
anteayaI can be here15:01
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shamailhi everyone15:01
openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'storyboard'15:01
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Zarahi shamail! :D15:01
SotK#link Agenda15:01
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shamailo/ Zara & anteaya!15:02
SotKhi shamail :)15:02
anteayahey shamail15:02
shamailHi SotK15:02
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SotK#topic Announcements15:02
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SotKWe almost have a dev server set up!15:02
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SotKI don't think we have any urgent items at the moment, so on to in progress work15:03
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SotK#topic In Progress Work15:03
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SotKWe discussed complex priorities at length after the meeting last week15:03
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ZaraSotK is finding the logs now15:04
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SotKI've not actually got round to doing any more work on it since then15:04
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ZaraI think it'd be good if those who want the feature could give more input on the kind of information they'd like to have available at a glance vs after asking for it specifically15:05
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Zaraso anyone interested in visualisation of complex priorities, it's a good time to give thoughts on that over the next few weeks15:05
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anteayathank you15:06
shamailWhat is the best format for sharing?15:06
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Zaradiscussion in #storyboard, to begin with15:06
shamailmailing list or IRC meeting?15:06
anteayayeah discussing in the channel I think would be fine15:07
Zaranp :)15:07
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anteayaI don't think you need to wait for a meeting15:07
SotKI agree15:07
Zarayeah, the project channel is logged15:07
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Zaraso things won't be lost15:07
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SotKI've started looking at Teams, now that the first pass of private stories is merged15:08
SotKso far I've determined that the GET part of the teams API works15:08
anteayayay private stories is merged15:09
anteayaSotK: awesome15:09
Zaraso that just leaves PUT, POST and DELETE?15:09
SotKI'm assuming they work too, we will find out soon15:09
anteayaSotK: have you had a chance to test the others yet?15:09
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anteayaSotK: ah cool15:09
anteayahopefully we will have the dev server up soon15:10
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Zaracool, thanks for looking into this15:10
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anteayaZara: did you want to say anything about the gerrity bits?15:10
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ZaraI started trying to make some operator docs, for quickly spinning up a storyboard instance15:10
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anteayayay docs15:10
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Zaratried with ansible, failed, tried with puppet, failed, journey so far recorded here:15:11
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Zarathe puppet errors are similar to the things fungi's finding with trying to set up a dev instance15:11
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Zaraso hopefully as that gets untangled I might be able to revisit it15:11
Zara(I have 0 puppet :))15:11
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fungii have 0.5 puppet15:11
anteayaZara: nice work on the investigation15:12
anteayaZara: and I agree it will be nice once docs are in place for folks to spin up their own instance15:12
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Zarayeah, at the moment they can do it using the developer docs, but it's quite longwinded15:12
* SotK agrees15:12
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Zara#info Zara tried and failed to make some quickstart operator docs, will come back to it pending puppet progress15:14
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anteayafailed with notes15:14
Zarayes :)15:15
Zaraso in the meantime, I've started looking at integrating StoryBoard with gerrit again15:15
anteayayay storyboard and gerrit15:15
Zaramainly just remembering what my old proof of concept did15:15
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Zaraso that still needs to do a few things to work as a proof of concept, even before it can be scaled up15:16
anteayawe did talk about this bit at the mid-cycle15:16
SotK#link!/story/2000584 details how we think gerrit commit messages should work15:16
anteayawe even drew things on a whiteboard15:16
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anteayafungi: we identified that using task/id is a better way forward than story id15:16
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anteayafungi: this will include a commit message syntax change15:17
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anteayabut it makes more sense as the task is the thing that is tracked and has status updated as well as an assignee15:17
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anteayaso it made sense to us that the task/id is the thing that starts being used for linking the bits together15:18
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fungianteaya: sure. we'll likely still stick with the term "bug" from a commit perspective15:18
anteayayup, that can work15:19
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fungibut i agree that being able to close out independent tasks in a story for the same project with different commits is an improvement over lp15:19
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anteayabut right now we use: Story: <story_id> in the commit message15:19
fungithat was a transitional thing while we're still also using lp15:19
anteayabut that would be very hard to map back to something with a status change in storyboard15:19
anteayaah, I missed that point then15:19
anteayathank you15:19
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anteayaso glad we are not stuck on that15:20
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anteayaso use the bug syntax but use the task/id from storyboard instead of the launchpad-id for the bug15:20
Zarawould we want an interim story-task: <task_id> ? or just jump straight to only using storyboard task ids?15:20
fungithe plan has always been to switch to having Closes-Bug et al refer to storyboard (stories? tasks? whatever) once we switch completely15:20
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anteayafungi: ah great, that makes it easy15:21
SotKthat makes sense to me15:21
anteayafungi: was that part of a spec anywhere that I might reference?15:21
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fungithe main hiccup there will be that our import associates existing lp bug numbers with storyboard story ids, so links for existing bug references might get weird15:21
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fungianteaya: i don't think so... did teh spec mention using "story" as a header in commit messages at all?15:22
anteayaso the migration testing will need to look out for this case and create some form of way to address it15:22
fungii wonder if there's a way to disambiguate story ids from task ids15:22
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anteayafungi: I don't know, I will look it up, but you saying so in the meeting log is good enough as an artifact for my purposes, thank you15:23
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SotKI don't think there is a way to do that at the moment15:23
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SotKthey're both just numbers and have the potential to overlap15:24
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anteayaokay so right now story ids and task ids can overlap15:24
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anteayain the db schema there is a table for stories and a separate table for tasks15:24
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anteayaand each table just has a column called id15:25
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anteayaand it sounds like the ids can be anything15:25
anteayain terms of how many digits they use15:25
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anteayafungi: storyboard currently has 5 open specs and I searched for the word commit in them and came up empty in all 515:28
anteayafungi: so going with there is no spec that talks about commit message syntax15:28
SotKyeah, I'm not sure we have a spec about gerrit integration anywhere15:28
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SotKbetherly isn't around this week, and I don't know how far she's got with things, so I guess we'll move onto discussion15:31
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anteayasounds good15:32
SotK#topic Product WG/Cross-Project Dashboard (shamail)15:32
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shamailThanks for this opportunity15:32
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shamailFor reference, I want to share the link to the PWG dashboard again:
shamailWe had a meeting last week to discuss evaluating the various platforms available (or scheduled to be available) in the community which includes Storyboard and Phabricator.15:32
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shamailWe decided that a good starting point would be to share our scope/objective and then determine if everyone thinks it aligns with the scope/objective for storyboard as a next step.15:33
shamailThe dashboard that we prototyped is a read-only page that simply helps us visualize a relationship between artifacts, in the existing dev workflow, that are independent.15:33
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fungi(btw, changes 318174 and 318180 should _hopefully_ fix the current dev server snakeoil cert puppeting)15:34
shamailWe don’t intend to enter any new data (even comments) on that page.  Given that objective… do we still feel that there might be potential to add this work to storyboard?15:34
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anteayafungi: thank you15:34
shamailWhat are your thoughts?15:35
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anteayashamail: thanks for taking the time to evaluate the options15:35
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shamailnp anteaya, FWIW I will be starting a discussion with infra on where should the dashboard live once we ensure we have determined whether it needs its own home15:36
anteayashamail: sure thank you, I think that is a good conversation to have15:36
shamailI was worried about whether our objective/scope was clearly provided at the summit15:36
anteayashamail: well Zara is trying to compose a question about that15:36
Zarashamail: does the PWG have a summary of what it wants to achieve with the dashboard anywhere? it'd be handy to see why people want this information to be non-interactive, etc...15:36
shamailThe name needs to change since it is very confusing (it includes both story and tracker in the name, lol.. it is neither)15:37
anteayashamail: she is sitting beside me at the storyboard mid-cycle15:37
anteayashamail: ah naming the bits, so much fun15:37
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* fungi is happy to have the "where and when" discussion on hosting that dashboard at your convenience, if it turns out to be a separate implementation. can just be an ad hoc discussion in #openstack-infra15:38
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shamailSounds good fungi…15:38
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shamailThe wiki doesn’t contain much15:38
shamailSo here is what I found:
shamailThis gives an overview of the artifacts we are trying to build the contextual relationship for15:39
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shamailI will take an action item to summarize our requirements and percieved benefits from having a non-interactive view15:39
anteayashamail: here is where we are having difficulty, we don't understand the story of the dashboard15:39
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anteayaso we can see the artifacts you selected, but so far are a bit thin on the rational for why those were the artifacts selected15:40
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shamailOne of our goals was to not add any additional burden in the development workflow so if we could keep using existing artifacts (rather than create new ones) we felt it would reduce the net burden of our workflow15:40
anteayashamail: if that makes sense15:40
shamailanteaya: It totally does15:40
anteayashamail: oh good, thank you15:40
shamailI think we have shared what it does but not why we want it15:40
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anteayayeah, don't worry about creating additional burden15:41
sparkycollierso if I understand correctly the purpose is to get the product working group an easy way at a glance to track progress on development work that's deemed of high interest to the group?15:41
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anteayafocus on what you want from the tool15:41
shamailThe main purpose for the dashboard in the PWG is that we will be working on items that might include multiple cross project specs and specs/bps across multiple projects15:41
anteayasparkycollier: that seems to be my understand so far, yes15:41
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shamailWe needed a way to “at a glance” see the status of all the related artifacts for a given user story and the last date of activity so we can ask for more help if progress stalls15:42
anteayasparkycollier: trying to understand a bit of the backstory of why these are the artifacts selected to get a bigger picture on their workflow15:42
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shamailsparkycollier: +1, that is the main purpose15:42
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Zarathanks for the link to the repo :) I guess one thing I'm wondering about is how the important fields were decided. eg: there's a description of fields used in the tracker, but I'd be intersted to see the place where those fields were decided upon as the ones to use15:43
sparkycolliersounds like a useful thing :)15:43
Zarabecause I think that'd give a lot of context on people's needs15:43
Zaraand that way, we can identify where things overlap with storyboard15:43
shamailanteaya: The reason these artifacts are represented is because they are all a part of the existing development workflow15:43
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anteayasparkycollier: yes, I think there is agreement this is useful, I think the storyboard folks are trying to get the bits they need to be able to provide what suits the needs of the group15:44
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fungithis sounds similar to ttx's idea of an "epic" as an aggregation of multiple stories in storyboard15:44
shamailZara: Can you clarify a bit on the request?  Do you want to know why we included cross project specs, blueprints, etc. or why we chose certain names for the fields?15:44
* SotK suspects our vague not-yet-existing concept of epics maps approximately to these cross-project user stories15:44
SotKheh, fungi beat me15:44
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shamailfungi: That is a good way to look at it… the user stories that PWG generates are epics… We have been writing them and saving them in our repository for about a year.15:45
sparkycollierthanks anteaya I'm a little late to the party15:45
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Zarashamail: it's more general than that, as a first step I'd like to find the place where I can see the PWG choosing the relevant fields. then I can ask questions about the discussions there once I've caught up.15:45
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anteayasparkycollier: I saw you join, was trying to catch you up without being obvious, glad you could make it :)15:45
Zaraotherwise we'll end up asking questions people have already answered :)15:45
shamailI think there are two points of intersection between PWG and storyboard… one is the topic we are discussing: the dashboard but the other might be where are actual user stories reside long-term15:46
SotKshamail: I expect our eventual implementation of epics would fit the usecase your dashboard solves pretty nicely (though I'd like them to not be readd-only)15:46
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fungigiven that blueprints are more or less superseded by specs now which projects are treating as just more git repos with commits, you could for example have a story which has spec tasks and then additional stories which cover different major implementation aspects, and track their progress and related code review changes as a roll-up into the epic structure15:46
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SotKfungi: that is how I picture things working without blueprints too15:46
fungithe lightweight shim we get from blueprints in launchpad today are easily already covered by just having a "story" in storyboard associated with the spec15:47
shamailWhat are the plans around implementing epics?  Is that something planend to be worked on this cycle?15:47
fungithe workflow infra's used so far for its specs actually just sticks with a single story, since tasks in storyboard can be more diverse and granular than lp's bugtasks, but i can see possibly tracking multiple related specs in an epic that way too15:48
shamailThe relationship that we would prefer is that an epic could be attached to multiple cross project specs (or directly to project level specs) and then we could associate  project-level specs with cross-project specs15:48
SotKwe don't have any plans for when to work on epics yet afaik15:48
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Zarashamail: the dashboard source review comments might be helpful to us, if there's a link15:49
shamailLet me find it15:49
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fungithough it sounds like some of the question is would developer involvement be turned away if they showed up willing to write the epic implementation15:49
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SotKpeople willing to do the work are welcome, but I think it should be designed first15:50
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anteayaI think having a design session for epics, either at a mid-cycle or summit would be in order15:51
fungiagreed, the design work would need to be written up and reviewed by the current sb devs and any other interested parties15:51
shamailI will have to find the git repo and share it with you later, I know it’s at but I can’t find the exact location atm15:51
anteayathis mid-cycle we have been focused on items that would put is in line with dev/tc needs15:51
fungiwouldn't need to be an inp-erson design session15:51
fungii don't think15:51
anteayalike private stories, teams and gerrit integration15:51
Zara+2 more contributors always welcome (especially on the js side!)15:51
anteayafungi: okay, but designed15:52
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SotKI'd be delighted with someone providing a spec for me to review about epics15:52
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anteayawe mentioned epics at this mid-cycle but had a lot of other task with priority15:52
fungialso the other important part of that dashboard seems to be progress tracking. so probably some model for how you figure out what progress on a task/story/epic is (just divide by the number of  identified tasks and increment as each task reaches a closed state?)15:52
shamailHere is a wiki page with our workflow and overview of the different activities related to user story implementation15:52
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anteayashamail: so we agree that this is not the source code, yes?15:53
SotKfungi: I would imagine so, although I have doubts over how "real" those percentages will be15:53
shamailWe are using user stories which have mandatory fields (such as user story, usage scenario, justification, etc.) and then we are leveraging (after agreement) to help find developers and implement using standard development workflow in the community15:53
ZaraSotK: right, tasks can vary in complexity15:54
anteayashamail: okay thanks15:54
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fungiSotK: yeah, i think if something like that wasn't positioned as a "percentage" but just tracked number of tasks done/remaining or something, it could be a suitable compromise15:54
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fungitrying to map actual estimated effort per task onto a timeline gets into all sorts of nasty business logic we'd be better off avoiding15:55
persiaI would prefer task counts for open, in review, and closed, as three numbers.15:55
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fungipersia: makes sense. the bar chart is likely what makes it seem like a linear thing15:55
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fungiwhich definitely gets misleading15:56
anteayafungi: yes number of tasks done of total is already in line with functionality they completed for persia to be able to see priorities of tasks in subscribed work lists15:56
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shamailCount is fine (versus %), the main goal there is to see how many items are associated with a given user story and the date of last activity (to be able to quickly gauge if a few specs are blocking the overall user story)15:56
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fungianteaya: persia: oh, excellent!15:57
Zarait'd be good to fix our 'updated' field to give something relevant15:57
shamailThe challenge is that we are already in-flight with user stories15:57
shamailand need a way to track them relatively soon15:57
Zaraso improving the 'updated' field is a concrete thing a new contributor could help with15:57
betherlyhi! update on stuff is that I'm almost ready to push outline of tutorial. sorry didn't come into meeting earlier! shifted my hours and called it a day early today to get ready for holidays15:57
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Zarabetherly: np, I thought you were on holiday already! :D15:58
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shamailDoes it make sense for us to share how we came up with the fields, work on determining a path to epics, but host this prototype somewhere inside infra in the interim to have a tool immediately?15:58
Zarabetherly: but brilliant!15:58
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shamailWhich could be decommissioned once epics are closer15:58
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anteayashamail: well currently storyboard is actively developed by two developers full time with some additional help from other folks15:58
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fungishamail: if teh longer term goal is to help get similar functionality into storyboard (e.g. by piggybacking on what the epic concept would provide) then using hosting/using that poc you have in the short term seems perfectly fine to me15:58
betherlyZara: nope leave tomorrow but shifted hours so I had time to pack lol :)15:58
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anteayashamail: we can understand deadlines but thus far priorities have been for tasks that will put storyboard in line with developer expectations to be selected as the task tracking tool by the tc15:59
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shamailanteaya: Totally understand.  That is why I suggested hosting the prototype somewhere until epics can be designed and then started.15:59
SotKalmost out of time folks15:59
Zarabetherly: really glad the outline's nearly ready, anyway :)15:59
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* SotK agrees with fungi in general16:00
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shamailWe have a current need for a solutin as well :(16:00
anteayashamail: yes, the openstack community as a whole has had a need for about a year16:00
anteayashamail: so I totally understand the position16:00
SotKour time is up, lets continue in #storyboard if so desired :)16:00
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smcginnisSotK: Hah, no worries. :)16:01
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smcginnisCourtesy ping dulek duncant eharney geguileo winston-d e0ne jungleboyj jgriffith thingee smcginnis hemna xyang tbarron scottda erlon rhedlind jbernard _alastor_ vincent_hou kmartin patrickeast sheel dongwenjuan JaniceLee cFouts Thelo vivekd adrianofr mtanino yuriy_n17 karlamrhein diablo_rojo jay.xu jgregor baumann rajinir16:01
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smcginnis#link Agenda16:01
Swansonjungleboyj, they finally found out about the kickbacks?16:01
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jungleboyjSwanson: ;-)16:02
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smcginnis#topic Announcements16:02
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smcginnisJust want to point out we are two weeks out from the N-1 milestone.16:02
smcginnisNo extra deadlines for Cinder for that, but it is a good checkpoint.16:02
smcginnisDefinitely any new drivers should be submitting code by then, hopefully.16:03
smcginnisAlso, good progress on reviewing specs.16:03
smcginnisThose seem to be moving along a little smoother than last cycle at this point.16:03
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smcginnisIt would be great if we can stick to our spec freeze at N-2, but I know that's not always possible.16:04
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smcginnis#topic Check 'thin_provisioning_support' in extra specs16:04
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smcginnisNo name, but I believe that was you xyang1 ?16:04
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xingyangSome backends can do thin and thick in the same pool. The existing scheduler logic is pro thin.  It does not work well for thick.16:05
xingyangIf a driver reports thin_provisioning_support=True, it uses the thin logic. This could potentially lead to over provisioning if the user is creating a thick volume.16:05
xingyangSo the patch proposes to check extra specs to decide whether to use thin or thick logic.16:05
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hemnaour driver can do both thin and thick in the same pool16:06
smcginnisSince thin would be the default, would it be better to have the spec call out thick?16:06
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smcginnishemna: Ours as well.16:06
xingyanghemna: ours too16:06
jgriffithCan we not make this so hard16:06
smcginnisWell, technically everything is thin, but we can preallocate to make it "thick".16:06
eharneyis this patch ensuring that the driver actually does this, or just that the scheduler is using this for calculation of free space?16:06
xingyangjgriffith: suggestion?16:06
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jgriffithJust do one or the other16:06
Swansonsmcginnis, technically we just do thin.16:06
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jgriffithor make up some fancy calculations in your driver16:07
xingyangjgriffith: currently we allow both, but the scheduler does not work right16:07
jgriffithxingyang: Yeah, I get it16:07
jgriffithI'm saying just have thin-pools and thick-pools16:07
smcginnisjgriffith: Only problem I have with that is I have one pool.16:07 on create in the driver ?16:07
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jgriffithjust because a backend can do something doesn't mean Cinder shojld care about it16:08
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eharneyor that we should provide it to a user for them to care about it16:08
jgriffithsmcginnis: so the admin picks :)16:08
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jgriffithone or the other16:08
DuncanTjgriffith: Not having to have pools and letting the space be shared across two types is rather nicer, I'd have thought16:08
xingyangjgriffith: we currently allow that16:08
xingyangjgriffith: now we suddently make it a restriction?16:08
smcginnisSince I am only thin provisioned, the only way I can provide thick provisioning is for it to be explicitly requested.16:08
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jgriffithxingyang: yes, that's my point16:09
DuncanTjgriffith: Not sure if it is nice enough to make the code complex though16:09
eharneythe code in this area already needs some work16:09
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smcginnisBut I suppose we can just say we can't provide thick. Or provide out own extra spec.16:09
jgriffithsmcginnis: +1 for extra-spec16:09
jgriffithjust create thin and thick types16:10
xingyangjgriffith: but that will be removing the functionality?16:10
hemnaours is driven by extra specs16:10
hemnathin vs. thick16:10
hemnabut that can still happen on the same pool.16:10
patrickeastim confused, isn't all this already driven by specs?16:10
jgriffithhemna: horray!  That's how it should be IMO16:10
hemnapatrickeast, +116:10
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patrickeastthe scheduler code is just so that it can decide when a backend has free space or not16:10
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xingyanghemna: I see that your driver reports thin_provisioning_support and thick_provisioning_support to True16:11
patrickeastnothing to do with how the volume actually got created16:11
xingyangpatrickeast: there is flaw in the scheduler logic16:11
eharneypatrickeast: i was confused about that too16:11
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smcginnispatrickeast: So isn't that the key point here? This patch tries to make the scheduler aware of that and do the right evaluation.16:11
smcginnisWhich it can't really do otherwise.16:11
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patrickeastyea, which seems like a nice de-duplication instead of all the drivers calculating virtual free space or something in their update stats call, right?16:12
smcginnisSo if we report thin and allow over provisioning, and they send down an exta spec requesting thick, it kind of messes some things up.16:12
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patrickeasti guess i'm not sure why this is controversial16:12
hemnapatrickeast, +116:12
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smcginniseharney: I think you had the original objection here.16:13
xingyangHow about I write a spec and hopefully explain things better?16:13
tbarronxingyang: +116:13
eharneymy main objection is that this was written as a bug but it's not clear whether it's actually a bug... or what the use case is etc16:13
geguileopatrickeast: But drivers will still need to calculate it and send it back16:14
eharneythis code is already overly complex and we don't need to make it worse without being totally clear on what's going on16:14
smcginnisxingyang: Seems a little overkill, but that may help with the communication and understanding here.16:14
Swansonxingyang, +116:14
smcginniseharney: Fair point.16:14
diablo_rojoxingyang: I think that sounds good. Just to get us all on the same page16:14
xingyangsmcginnis: seems that we are not on the same page, so a spec may help, or it could be worse:)16:14
diablo_rojoxingyang: +116:14
tbarronthis could be an opportunity to refactor that code and make it clearer16:14
eharneya bug about "the user wanting the volume to be thick or thin" isn't a bug to me, because that isn't something for the user to care about IMO16:14
geguileotbarron: +116:14
e0netbarron>: good point16:15
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eharneyso yes, i'm all for speccing out how this is all supposed to work and seeing how we can improve it16:15
smcginnistbarron: That would be a good outcome if nothing else from this.16:15
diablo_rojoeharney: Yeah I don't think the user should know about that really, right?16:15
eharneydiablo_rojo: right16:15
xingyangtbarron: I was trying to avoid going through the same spec review that I had to go thru in Kilo:)16:15
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smcginnis#action xingyang to write spec for thin provisioning details16:15
tbarronthere are a lot of double negatives in that code now :)16:15
xingyangtbarron: but you wouldn’t let me escape:(16:15
smcginnisIt's a trap!16:16
tbarronxingyang: :)16:16
diablo_rojotbarron: Two wrongs make a right, right? :)16:16
jungleboyjxingyang: Run!16:16
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tbarronwrong, wrong!16:16
smcginnisdiablo_rojo: That's not incorrect. :)16:16
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diablo_rojosmcginnis: :)16:16
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smcginnisxingyang: Good enough?16:16
eharneysounds good to me16:16
xingyangsmcginnis: yes16:16
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* jungleboyj loves double negatives.16:16
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smcginnis#topic Integrate Castellan for key management16:17
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smcginnisAnother one with no name on it.16:17
kfarrThat one was mine!16:17
smcginniskfarr: Great, all yours!16:17
kfarrTo give a little history, when the Cinder volume encryption feature was implemented, identical key manager interface code was introduced into both Nova add Cinder16:17
kfarrThe key manager interface code was copied over into a new library Castellan, with the intent that Castellan would replace the key manager code in Cinder and Nova and be used for key manager needs in other projects.16:17
kfarrThe code to integrate Castellan into Nova has already merged:
kfarrBut there's been a lot more discussion on the Cinder spec:
kfarrCinder code here: (dependent on this bug fix:
kfarrSo to help things along, I wanted to have this discussion real-time over chat, to answer any questions or comments16:18
smcginnisSame link for the cinder spec and the nova one htere.16:18
kfarrone sec16:18
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kfarrcinder spec:
smcginnis#link Cinder castellan patch16:19
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smcginnis#link Cinder castellan spec16:19
smcginniskfarr: Thanks16:19
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kfarrI believe DuncanT had a -1 on it?16:19
DuncanTSo my comment here is the same as it was initially: I want the conff key manager to be behind castellan, so we can remove it entirely from the cinder code and so that more of the castalan code path gets exercised in the gate16:19
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hemnakfarr, what about this patch in os-brick to add the encryptors support ?
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kfarrDuncanT the way that it's been refactored though the ConfKeyManager still uses Castellan16:20
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smcginnisDuncanT: So no in depth thought on my part, but patrickeast's comment on there makes some sense to me.16:21
lixiaoy11hemna: integrate Castellan is to move code duplication about keymanager16:21
smcginnisDuncanT: Do you think that's acceptable?16:21
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hemnaok, just they key management then.16:22
smcginnisSo is the os-brick patch still needed?16:22
DuncanTsmcginnis: Given the initial answer was 'we don't like the conf key manager, it isn't going into castallan since it isn't secure', it seemed like the second step would never happen16:22
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* smcginnis needs to read up on these again16:22
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kfarrsmcginnis hemna, I believe the os-brick patch is still needed16:23
lixiaoy11smcginnis:  yes, os-brick patch is a step to attach encrypted volume. it is needed16:23
smcginnisOK, thanks.16:23
smcginnisDuncanT: OK, I remember some of the comments there.16:23
hemnakfarr, ok coolio.16:23
smcginnisDuncanT: Should that hold up the whole effort though?16:23
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smcginnisNot sure, just asking.16:24
DuncanTIt started to read as 'castalan is a library to abstract away key management. Except that key manager, which we don't like, so you're still going to have to have a second abstraction layer to get that one', which is daft16:24
DuncanTI think it should hold it up, yes, since it is pretty fundamental16:24
kfarrDuncanT did you get a chance to look at the code, not just the spec?16:24
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DuncanTkfarr: I've not looked at it for a while16:25
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lixiaoy11smcginnis: DuncanT: as it is reasonable to not put ConfKeyManager in Castellan. If we put it into some other olso library, seems it needs time to do it.16:26
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smcginnisWhere would it go? If it's used by both, I agree it should not be duplicated.16:26
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kfarrThe ConfKeyManager is only used by Nova and Cinder in DevStack16:27
DuncanTlixiaoy11: I don't want two layers of key manager abstraction in cinder, it's daft - I don't care if we keep it in-tree as a castallan plugin if that is doable, I just don't want using confkey to bypass castalan16:27
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kfarrDuncanT I wouldn't call it a second abstraction layer16:28
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DuncanTkfarr: I do, looking at the code16:28
kfarrDuncanT With the refactoring, the ConfKeyManager becomes an implementation of the Castellan key manager interface16:29
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DuncanTkfarr: I'll look at the code again16:29
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DuncanTkfarr: and get back to you ASAP16:29
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kfarrOk, did anyone else have comments about it?  I don't want to take up too much of the meeting time16:30
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kfarrsmcginnis, since DuncanT will follow up on the spec later, I suppose it's time for the next agenda item?16:32
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smcginniskfarr: OK, thanks for bringing it up here. Looks like it definitely could use some more attention.16:32
DuncanTkfarr: At a glance it might be that the spec and the code don't quite agree, with the code being good. If so, it should be very easy to ammend the spec to be totally clear16:32
DuncanTkfarr: I'll spend some time on it after the meeting16:33
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smcginnisDuncanT: Thanks!16:33
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smcginnis#topic Release new python-cinderclient16:33
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kfarrThanks DuncanT!16:33
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smcginnisNo one wants to put there names on things this week I guess. :)16:33
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DuncanTThis was a topic I added16:33
smcginnisBut yeah, we probably need to.16:33
smcginnisDuncanT: :)16:33
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smcginnisAnyone aware of anything outstanding we should try to get in?16:34
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smcginnisI can get a release requested this afternoon otherwise.16:34
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DuncanTBut I've nothing to say that isn't in the agenda - I don't know of anything outstanding for mataka servers, and I want a release without too much newton support in it, ideally16:34
smcginnisYeah, I think I had planned on getting one sooner, then waited for something, then by the time that made it got distracted. :/16:35
smcginnisSo I really should get that going.16:35
smcginnisI did take a look at the outstanding reviews.16:35
smcginnisNothing looked critical to me, so if anyone is aware of anything please ping me on it soon.16:35
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smcginnisBut it did bring to my attention - we could really use some more reviews on client patches.16:36
smcginnisThere are a lot sitting out there that could use some eyes.16:36
aimeeuI'll take a look fwiw16:36
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smcginnisaimeeu: Thanks!16:36
smcginnis#action smcginnis to request new python-cinderclient release16:37
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diablo_rojosmcginnis: I can review some tongiht16:37
smcginnisdiablo_rojo: Cool, thanks!16:37
smcginnis#topic Open Discussion16:37
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e0nei've got one question16:37
smcginnisThe floor is open. Anyone got some bikeshedding? :)16:37
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e0neeharney proposed
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e0nepersonally, I like this idea, but there was a lot of tbarron's patches with fake IDs16:38
karthikpHi, I could use some help suggestion and review16:38
e0newhat solution will we prefer?16:38
smcginnisSeems in general where it doesn't really matter it's good to use the fakes. Where we want to be able to untangle what happened, we want unique IDs.16:39
smcginnistbarron: Any thoughts on that Mr. UUID? :)16:39
jgriffithsmcginnis: but you can use the fakes as unique no?16:39
tbarronthe fake IDs were just a step in the right direction, not the final story16:39
jgriffithsmcginnis: there's a pretty long list of fakes that are unique16:40
smcginnisjgriffith: I thought so...16:40
e0nesmcginnis: both approaches are good, but  should we use them together?16:40
tbarronit was a way to get us past the invalid uuids16:40
jgriffithI'm not saying I have a preference one way or the other16:40
jgriffithjust saying that either way *should* work16:40
e0nejgriffith: but eharney proposed to use unique IDs16:40
smcginnistbarron, eharney: So can we switch these over to use unique fakes?16:40
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tbarronwe had no real hope of getting that much code done and putting in a ratchet by doing all of them unique I thought at least16:40
jgriffithe0ne: yes, I'm saying you could do the same thing:  fake_uuids.Fake1, .... Fake316:40
jgriffithget it?16:40
tbarronbut I have no problem with making progress on that front now16:41
e0nejgriffith: oh.. good idea:)16:41
smcginnisThere are multiple UUIDs in there, so each could use its own unique one.16:41
DuncanTUnique and distinctive if not actually fake (deadbeef etc) sounds good to me16:41
smcginnisBasically what jgriffith is saying. :)16:41
jgriffithagain, I'm fine with either approach.  I just don't know what's best in terms of organizing and keeping things clear going forward16:41
* dulek thinks smcginnis made a mistake by asking for bikeshedding.16:41
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tbarrondulek: +1 :)16:42
smcginnisGotta get it out at some point. :)16:42
* DuncanT is building an actual bikeshed at the weekend, but we've already bought the paint16:42
dulekOh, better here than in specs. ;)16:42
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smcginnisDuncanT: What color? :D16:42
tbarronDuncanT: it's not too late!16:42
DuncanTArmy green - it was cheap16:42
jgriffithSo you can make a list of "fakebackup-1 ..... n" and just ref them16:42
tbarronDuncanT: once you paint it you can't change the color for two cycles16:42
smcginnisDuncanT: Hah, popular color over there I suppose. :)16:42
smcginnistbarron: LOL16:43
jgriffithsome day I'd like to seed a prng and just generate repeatable ID's rather than have a list... but whatever16:43
diablo_rojosmcginnis: LOL16:43
DuncanTjgriffith: Got it. Thanks.16:43
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smcginnisjgriffith: Would be nice to have repeatable generated IDs rather than maintaining the long list.16:44
jgriffithor hell... just make FAKE_UUIDS[xxxxxx......zzzzzz]  and in the tests use "FAKE-UUID[0]" [1] or whatever16:44
smcginnisBut meh16:44
DuncanTjgriffith: I'd personally have put an eyeballable prefix on them (c0ffee, deadbeef, feed, whatever) but it's a small thing16:44
jgriffithDuncanT: prefix on the UUID?  That defeats the whole point no?16:44
jgriffithwhatever.. I shouldn't dreail convo here ;)16:44
jgriffithderail even :)16:45
DuncanTjgriffith: The first few digits of the uuid, not an actual prefix16:45
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cFoutsDuncanT +116:45
DuncanTjgriffith: If all fake UUIDs start badc-0ffe-eXXX-XXXX-XXXX then it's easy to spot when they're leaking16:46
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jungleboyjDuncanT: That makes sense.16:47
smcginnisBad coffee? That's terrible.16:47
DuncanTor badc-0deX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXX if you want to be pointed16:47
jungleboyjsmcginnis: Certainly don't want that leaking.16:47
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tbarronso, has anyone been running cinder with zookeeper under tooz lately?16:48
tbarronnice weather here16:48
smcginnistbarron: Have you tried it?16:49
smcginnistooz that is.16:49
tbarronsmcginnis: not with zk underneath16:49
e0neDuncanT: +1, I like this proposal16:49
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dulektbarron: I don't think we've converted any locks to actually use Tooz.16:50
smcginnistbarron: Me neither.16:50
dulektbarron: That's probably badly advertised in the release notes…16:50
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DuncanTtbarron: If you're interested in testing, I can give you a fault injection patch than will give you a good chance of finding breakage16:50
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smcginnisShameless plug: I'd love feedback on to know if I'm completely off the rails.16:51
tbarrondulek: yeah, i'm just getting a sense of where we are (and personally am avoiding uuids at any cost)16:51
smcginnisIf that goes through, there are some follow up patches I would like to do.16:51
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smcginnisLike using the output of "tox -e gendriverlist" to make this sane:
dulektbarron: bluex is the person to ask on status. Not sure when he'll be online.16:51
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smcginnisNot even sure what the page is supposed to be conveying.16:51
diablo_rojosmcginnis: I think interface checks would be good16:51
tbarrondulek: ty!16:52
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diablo_rojosmcginnis: Your demo at the summit showed how useful they can be.16:52
smcginnisDocs too. We can point new driver developers to the sphynx output of cinder.interface classes.16:52
* dulek wanted to look into Tooz stuff this week, but still gets distracted.16:52
smcginnisdiablo_rojo: Cool, glad it at least made some sense. :D16:52
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diablo_rojosmcginnis: Seemed like a pretty easy way to get tons of info about all the drivers16:53
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DuncanTsmcginnis: I've been meaning to get to that patch, will try harder16:53
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DuncanTsmcginnis: IT certainly seems to achieve good things16:53
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smcginnisI'm thinking so, but I certainly have a biased view. ;)16:53
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smcginnisAnything else?16:55
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smcginnisK, thanks everyone.16:55
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jlvillalHello everyone17:00
mjturek1o/ hey17:00
jlvillalAs always the agenda is at:
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jlvillal#topic Announcements17:01
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* thiagop watches more than participate :)17:01
jlvillalI will save my Grenade related announcements until the Grenade section17:01
jlvillalAny other announcements from anyone?17:01
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jlvillalNo audio bridge this week, as an FYI17:02
jlvillalWill move on in 10 seconds if no response :)17:02
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jlvillal#topic Grenade17:02
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jlvillal#info Great work and progress this week on Grenade!!!17:03
rlooCLAP CLAP17:03
jlvillal#info Big thanks to vsaienko and vdrok for their work.17:03
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jlvillal#info vsaienko's network patch  was the big key in unblocking us17:04
* jlvillal thinks vdrok was involved in that too...17:04
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vdrokjlvillal: in all the other things except that networking bit :)17:05
jlvillal#info jlvillal does not understand exactly the patch and why we need to create a second network. Hoping to get a better description from vsaienko. But it fixes things :)17:05
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jlvillal#info Ironic Grenade whiteboard:
sambettsSo seeing this patch got me thinking, should we be running devstack + ironic with not a real flat neutron network ?17:06
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jlvillalWe are working on the list of patches that have got Grenade to pass. Trying to get them merged into various projects.17:06
jlvillal#info jlvillal has a goal (possibly unrealistic) to have Grenade working by end-of-next week.17:07
vdroksambetts: what exactly do you mean?17:07
jlvillalsambetts: I'm not sure.17:07
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jlvillalsambetts: I guess I want to get what we have working to be merged. And then we can work on enhancements later.17:07
rloojlvillal: so with the patches that are 'in flight', we are fairly sure that once they land, grenade will be working for ironic?17:07
jlvillalsambetts: But I don't understand the question/suggestion17:07
sambettswe are sort of "fudging" the networking in devstack right now (going behind neutrons back and connecting into a tenant network), and I was wondering what would happen if we run ironic as intended, by turning off tenant networking and running a flat network17:08
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jlvillalrloo: We have a pretty good feeling about it. vdrok and vsaienko got a green test pass early today in Jenkins.17:08
vdrokrloo: I'm running all of them (I hope) locally so will see17:08
sambettswould it try to make a new tenant network if we aren't using it17:08
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rloojlvillal, vdrok, vsaienko: awesome!17:09
mjturek1jlvillal: is there a list of the in-flight patches? The only one I know of that isn't merged is
mjturek1ahhh thanks17:09
vdrokjlvillal: that was false positive - n-cpu failed, and because we were running only baremetal test after the upgrade we didn't notice it, only api tests were run17:09
rloosambetts: good question. probably worth investigating.17:10
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jlvillalvdrok: Ah and oh :(  But I still feel pretty good. A lot of progress has happened this week and we are very very close now.17:10
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rloosambetts: but fudging is good :)17:10
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jlvillalLike the 2nd to the last line of the script is current failure.17:10
rloosambetts: (for now anyway)17:10
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sambettsrloo: I'm just wondering if these patches are actually required if we made our devstack deployment work that way :/17:11
jlvillalsambetts: No objections from me and exploring that area. I will defer to you and others on networking stuff.17:11
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jlvillals/me and exploring/me on exploring/17:11
* jlvillal does not understand enough about neutron and how things should be done :(17:11
sambettsjlvillal: These are the settings I have in my devstack config in my CI to make devstack setup a flat network to work with Ironic
jlvillalsambetts: Can you add that to the whiteboard? as an FYI or something?17:12
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jlvillal#info sambetts has a devstack config for a flat network setup for Ironic:
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jlvillalSo overall I think we are in a good place. Still a fair amount of work to be done.17:13
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jlvillalHave to work on getting the patches merged into various projects and probably responding to review comments on the patches.17:13
vdroksambetts: AIUI, grenade case is special as greanade creates a new net during resource create phase and tries to boot servers in it, in usual devstack run there is no such problem, and it will still be doing so no matter how we setup devstack17:14
jlvillalOverall I feel quite good about where we are today compared to last week.17:14
jlvillalAny questions/comments about the Grenade stuff?17:15
jlvillalWe still need to keep pushing forward and get it finished.17:15
sambettsvdrok: what I'm thinking though is if you define a flat network, then making a new network doesn't make sense because a flat network normally maps onto the real world, so I wondered if it would leave it alone17:15
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jlvillalsambetts: The resource phase creates this new network and then has nova use it. Outside of the devstack stuff.17:16
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jlvillalsambetts: Look in grenade/projects/*/ files   Especially 50_neutron and 60_nova.17:16
devanandaone thing to consider with the grenade network things -- how _should_ this work, when we introduce proper neutron integration and multitenant network support?17:16
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sambettsisn't grenade aware of what was previously defined though?17:16
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devanandait sounds like there are two options right now in how we're implementing grenade support17:16
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vdroksambetts: it tries to create things itself to check that upgrade went smoothly and everything newly created is preserved17:17
devanandaI'm curious if one of htem will set us up better for the neutron integration and upgrade testing to that17:17
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jlvillalI don't know. At the moment I want to continue on to get grenade working. Making it better in the future is good. But getting it working is 1st priority to me. Then improving it without breaking it.17:18
sambettsvdrok: right but we currently don't support multitenant networking so should we be fudging testing it? If our current real world deployment is a flat networks which can't just pop out of thin air should be be testing that case17:19
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vdroksambetts: yes, we should not :) but ironic is different from all the other projects in this case I guess17:19
vdrokI guess grenade itself should be changed17:20
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sambettsdoes grenade not have support for if Q_USE_PROVIDER_NETWORKING=True is turned on?17:20
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jlvillalsambetts: git grep Q_USE_PROVIDER_NETWORKING   comes back with nothing in grenade17:21
vdrokI think it will do whatever is said in local.conf17:21
vdrokwhatever is written to local.conf by grenade plugin settings17:22
devanandajlvillal: that's sort of my question. if we get grenade working with a fudged network setup that is not how we actually recommend it to be deployed, how do we go from that to proper multitenant network testing?17:22
jlvillalI want to continue on with our current course of action to get basic grenade functionality working.17:22
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jlvillaldevananda: I worry that we will get derailed for a long time if we change plans.17:22
devanandajlvillal: perhaps I missed it in catching up on this. what is the current course of action w.r.t. network setup?17:23
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devanandathanks, reading17:23
jlvillalI am worried about:
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jlvillalI would like to get something working. Then improve it.  iterate.17:24
devanandajlvillal: agreed. I'm not suggesting perfection, but would prefer we also don't do something that prevents upgrades :)17:24
devanandait may be that we just introduce a new test17:24
devanandawhen multitenant network support lands, we need to know that we can still do flat networks too17:24
vdrokdevananda: so we'll be testing upgrade for both flat-flat and flat-multitenant?17:25
jlvillalThat is fine with me. I just want to get to that grenade test up and running. Then we have a base that we can improve upon and make sure it keeps working.17:25
devanandavdrok: flat->flat && multitenant->multitenant17:25
vdrokah, ok17:25
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devanandagrenade doesn't need to cover flat->multitenant migration in tests ... I'm not even sure we need to support that migration path, or what it would look like for a deployer right now ...17:26
vdrokyep, that would be harder17:27
jlvillal#info Contine to get grenade working. Need to figure out how to test upgrades for flat to flat and multitenant to multitenant. jlvillal would prefer that happen after grenade is up and running.17:27
devanandajlvillal: ++17:27
jlvillalAny other questions/comments?17:28
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jlvillalOkay moving on :)17:28
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jlvillalThanks for all the good feedback :)17:28
jlvillal#topic Functional testing17:28
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jlvillal#info No progress as focus has been on Grenade work.17:28
jlvillalUnless someone has been working on it???17:29
* jlvillal assumes not17:29
jlvillal#topic 3rd Party Testing (krtaylor)17:29
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* jlvillal hands the mic and #info action to krtaylor :)17:29
krtaylorsure, not much to report, I should update the requirements status table in the driver wiki17:29
krtaylorbut I did push
krtaylorbased on some discussions17:30
krtayloraround new drivers17:30
rlookrtaylor: don't know if this has already been discussed but at the summit, you had mentioned that you needed help/info for something (i don't remember what).17:30
rlookrtaylor: are you blocked on anything?17:30
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krtaylorrloo, that was for the status table17:30
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krtaylorrloo, but I think I need to send email for correctness17:31
krtaylorand get responses, then I'll start organizing a doc patch17:31
rlookrtaylor: ok. i think there is some other driver list that OpenStack has, but to get into it, one has to put their driver via stackalytics?17:31
* rloo fuzzy on the details (if that wasn't obvious)17:32
krtayloryes, their driver list, that is input for the marketplace17:32
* krtaylor learned that at summit17:32
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rlookrtaylor: right. so we probably need to put a list of things-to-do for driver maintainers/marketeers/whatever.17:32
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krtaylorrloo, well, in the spec we decided not to, but hm...17:33
krtaylormaybe we need to update that17:33
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krtaylorbased on the marketplace input17:33
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devananda++ to having a document for what driver-maintainers are expected to do17:33
devanandaright now, it's institutional knowledge at best, which means it reallyshould be written down17:33
rlookrtaylor: 'spec' is not user documentation.17:33
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devanandaand yea, not a spec17:34
rajinirwe noticed, dell drac driver is missing17:34
devanandabut actually in our docs/ tree17:34
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sambettsI think this aligns with the conversation we had about what makes a 3rd party CI verified too17:34
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krtayloryes, all good input for the doc, but not replacement for17:34
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rloorajinir: i could be wrong but i thought someone ping'ed jroll about that driver being missing and he said he'd do 'something' about it (more fuzziness)17:35
rajinirthat must be chris dearborn17:35
rloorajinir: possibly and probably :)17:36
cdearbornyes, i pinged jroll about it, and he said that what was listed in the marketplace was very old and out of date, and that he was trying to get to updating it this week17:36
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krtaylorum, drac is there17:36
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krtaylorrajinir, sambetts among others, I need email on what to change specifically17:36
krtaylordrac ->
cdearbornkrtaylor: it's not listed here:
krtaylorok, yeah, thats the driver log add17:37
sambettsDidn't work out at the summit that market place pulls from stackalyics?17:37
sambettsDidn't we *17:37
krtayloryes, see scrollback :)17:37
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sambettsah :)17:38
sambettsmissed that17:38
krtaylorand that we need to document that17:38
krtaylorI agree, I'll get on it17:38
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krtaylor#info krtaylor will get email thread going about wiki driver completeness17:39
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krtaylor#info krtaylor will add information about the need for drivers to add to stackalytics to be listed in marketplace17:40
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krtaylorok, jlvillal seems like we are winding down on CI17:40
krtayloranything else?17:40
jlvillalNot from me17:41
jlvillalOkay moving on then. Thanks krtaylor17:41
jlvillal#topic Open Discussion17:41
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jlvillalAnything anyone wants to discuss?  Now is your chance.17:41
jlvillalI'll give it another minute of silence before ending the meeting...17:42
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jlvillalThanks everyone for attending.17:43
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notmynameswift meeting time21:00
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notmynamehello patchbot21:00
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notmynamewho's here for the swift meeting?21:00
* onovy 21:00
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notmynameagenda this week is21:02
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notmynameok, we can get started I think21:04
notmynamenot a ton on the agenda this week21:04
notmyname#topic crypto update21:04
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notmynameacoles: jrichli: what's going on this week with crypto?21:04
acoleswell, the todo list has been going down and there's a bunch of patches waiting review21:05
acolesthe top 3 are on priotity reviews page21:05
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acolesincluding one that needs no crypto knowledge to review, patch 31692421:05
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patchbotacoles: - swift (feature/crypto) - crypto - make some probe tests compatible with crypto21:05
acoleswe now have copy middleware and therefore func tests pass and we have crypto in pipeline for jenkins functional test jobs on feature/crypto :)21:06
acolesand if that patch 316924 lands then we have a good story on probe tests21:07
patchbotacoles: - swift (feature/crypto) - crypto - make some probe tests compatible with crypto21:07
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acolesjrichli has been collatingsome questions for "crypto experts" to validate our final choices over how we handle key and iv, ready for final review21:08
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notmynamegood. jrichli when/how is that happening?21:08
jrichlithe strategy involves both etherpad and the doc in review21:09
jrichliand some email and pings on IRC21:09
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jrichlii wasn't planning on a meeting yet - got to get everyone on same page on what we are doing now first, i guess21:10
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jrichliwe'll decide from then if a meeting needs to happen.  prob will21:10
acolesnotmyname: so although we are closer to being ready for final review, in that tasks are being addressed at a good rate, we have a review backlog to get through on feature/crypto before I can start to prepare for a feature/crypto-review branch21:11
notmynamelooking at the TODO list on the trello page, the only one that looks tricky is the PUT is really post-as-copy21:11
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notmynameacoles: ok. you're reading my mind. I was going to ask that :-)21:11
acolesnotmyname: ah,  i wanted to raise that for opinions here21:11
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acolescurrently a post-as-copy will cause a previously unencrypted object body to get encrypted (as it is copied), which differs from a fast-post21:12
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notmynameright. makes sense21:12
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acoleswe think we know how to prevent that (more code!) but question is do we care? on one hand I feel it is inconsistent wrt fast post, on other hand clients cannot tell, its an internal anomaly21:13
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acolesand I could even buy an argument that if something is unencrypted and we get chance to encrypt it then we should!21:14
notmynamewhat's the end result? a POST may or may not be (re-)encrypted?21:14
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notmynamebut otherwise everything works?21:14
acolesan already encrypted object will always remain encrypted after a POST, an unencrypted object will become encrypted by post-as-copy21:15
jrichlibut not fast-post21:15
torgomaticdoesn't matter to me... you copy A to B, GET B, and A's contents come back21:15
torgomaticwhat's not to like?21:15
notmynameand unencrypted object with fast-post will have encrypted metadata and listing info?21:15
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acolesotherwise it all works, and client cannot tell21:15
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jrichlinotmyname: yes21:16
acolesnotmyname: just encrypted metadata, thelisting etag does not change on a fast-post21:16
notmynamemy gut reaction is that I'm completely fine with crypto only ever working with fast-post. so yeah, sounds like a non-issue to me. it Just Works21:16
jrichliok, partly right ;-)21:16
acolesI am obviously biased towards not writing more code.21:17
notmynameI mean that I would be fine if you told me that crypto is broken with post-as-copy. so I'm definitely ok with it working with both fast-post and post-as-copy, evne if they have slightly different internal effects21:17
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notmynameyes! definitely write less code :-)21:17
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acolesok. any contrary opinions?21:18
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jrichlisince we are going in that direction anyway, i will also bring up the fact that it has been expressed that those that really want to ensure all data is encrypted will no be starting with pre-existing unencrypted objs21:18
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jrichliso, just more reason not to write more code!21:18
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notmynameacoles: I don't hear any21:19
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mattoliverauIf you've turned on encrypted you want things encrytpted.. if you have objects taht aren't if they start being encrypted even partially then that's what you want.. so I think its ok21:19
acolesnotmyname: that's helpful, that was probably one of the bigger/trickier remaining todo's.21:19
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notmyname#agreed crypto doesn't need to detect if a PUT is from a POST-as-COPY21:19
jrichliand now its the easiest!21:19
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acolesnotmyname: coding todo's that is, we have lots of reviewing todo's ;)21:20
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notmynameok, so the top 3 reviewing todos are the ones on the priority reviews page?21:20
jrichlii know!  i keep adding to my list to review throughout the day - the stack is not shrinking21:20
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acolesnotmyname: yes, and i know I have mentioned it before but I'd really appreciate feedback on patch 316924 (probe test changes) because if the approach I have there is not acceptable then I need to think really hard21:21
patchbotacoles: - swift (feature/crypto) - crypto - make some probe tests compatible with crypto21:21
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jrichliacoles: added to the top of my stack21:22
acolesand thinking is even harder than coding!21:22
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timburkeacoles: the approach seems sane to me. i should actually run the probe tests for that one...21:22
notmynameacoles: jrichli: thanks for the update21:23
notmynamenow speaking of priority reviews...21:23
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notmyname#topic review the reviews21:23
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notmynamelooking at
notmynamelast week we had some busted probetests21:23
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notmynameI think those are all ok now, right?21:23
jrichlithose problems were fixed, but i have had more lately - but it might just be me21:24
acolesI reviewed something to fix a probe test today, testing expirer21:24
kota_ah, yeah, that's my fault.21:24
acolespatch 31816721:24
patchbotacoles: - swift (feature/crypto) - crypto - test varying proxy pipeline configs21:24
acolesno not that! sorry21:25
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kota_patch 31591821:25
patchbotkota_: - swift - Fix probe failure and small things21:25
acolesyes, that ^^21:25
notmynamegot it21:25
notmynameI'll make sure that's on the priority reviews page, too21:25
jrichlii saw that one, and i ran with those changes to see if my issues were fixed.  seems like i still had issues, but i will test that again and leave comments.21:26
notmynamemakes me think we should reexamine getting the probetests running in the gate21:26
notmynamejrichli: thanks21:26
acolesjrichli: i think it could be racey as it is now21:26
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notmynamepatch 238799 has some comments and has a merge conflict21:26
patchbotnotmyname: - swift - Change schedule priority of daemon/server in config21:26
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notmynameonovy: is it something peter will be able to look at again?21:27
notmynamepeterlisak: ^21:27
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notmynameok, I'm going to assume "no" then21:28
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notmynamewe might need to bug someone to take that over. mattoliverau were your review comments something that would be reasonable to write and push over the current version?21:29
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notmynamemattoliverau: ok. might be good to do that in order to move it forward21:30
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notmynameI'll also add patch 317475 to the priority page. looks like a rather ugly bug21:30
patchbotnotmyname: - swift - Send correct size in POST async update for EC object21:30
notmynameacoles: thanks for picking that one up21:31
mattoliveraunotmyname: let me take a look at it again. If no one else will I'll rebase and push up a new patchset and we can take it from there.21:31
acolesnotmyname: i caused it :/21:31
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notmynameacoles: but importantly you're solving it :-)21:31
notmynamecontainer sync and crypto stuff on the priority reviews page i'll leave as-is21:32
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notmynamesomewhat related to the priority reviews page (and as a small status update from me)...21:33
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notmynameif you haven't seen it already, I added a new section to
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notmynamethe "needs follow-up" is a list of patches that has had reviews but doesn't have any reviews on the current patch set21:34
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notmynameie stuff where the patch owner has been doing stuff but is likely waiting on reviews21:34
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notmynameand although not published in a web page or irc bot yet, I've also built on that to build some personalized lists21:35
notmyname(I talked about this some in bristol)21:35
notmynameso eg stuff that you own that has a negative review or stuff that youv'e starred but haven't reviewed21:36
notmynameand I'll be working on some more complicated things like stuff you've previously negatively reviewed but has a new patch set21:36
notmynameall sorted by the community stars. etc etc21:36
notmynamestill WIP :-)21:36
notmyname#topic next release21:37
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notmynameI'd like to have a release *before* we land crypto21:37
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notmynameor rather, not wait until crypto lands to do a release21:38
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notmynameAFAICT patch 317475 is the biggest thing not landed that should21:38
patchbotnotmyname: - swift - Send correct size in POST async update for EC object21:38
notmynamebut if there's other stuff, please let me know21:38
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notmynamedoes that sound reasonable? any reason to rush one out now or wait until crypto lands?21:39
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notmynamenobody is very chatty today ;-)21:40
mattoliverausounds reasonable. Sorry -ETOOEARLY :P21:41
mattoliverauwas just looking at open patches21:41
kota_hehe, nothing special to push for it :)21:41
notmynameok, a couple of miscellaneous things before talking about the state of golang21:41
notmyname#topic misc stuff21:41
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notmynameyesterday was swift's "birthday". six years in production21:41
notmynameit's pretty cool, I think. and the fact it's still a thing that people are using and taking into account is a huge testament to the people who are writing and reviewing the code. thanks for your work21:43
notmynamehas anyone tried putting swift on 16.04 yet? I've been putting together a new SAIO on 16.0421:43
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notmynamefor me, it's working pretty well so far. just a couple of weird new things that I need to transcribe into the SAIO docs, but nothing major21:44
mattoliverauI haven't yet.21:44
notmynamewell I was still on precise so I figured after 4 years it was a good time to upgrade :-)21:45
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notmynamequick note about the hackathon21:45
mattoliverauI tried an openstack-ansible AIO on 16:04 and had some issues, but they I think is me and nothing to do with Swift. :)21:45
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notmynamebasic info is july 11-14 in san antonio. rackspace is sponsoring and hurricanerix is doing all the logistics coordination21:46
mattoliverauthanks hurricanerix!21:46
notmynamelike normal, we'll have an eventbrite page set up for registrations and likely some sort of cap on how many21:46
hurricanerixmattoliverau np21:46
notmynameI'm working with hurricanerix to get all those details21:46
mattoliverauhmm, that sounds like I'll be flying home on my birthday.. that's exciting :P21:47
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notmynamethanks hurricanerix :-)21:47
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notmynamemattoliverau: maybe you'll have 2 if you time it right?21:47
joeljwrightgood luck hurricanerix!21:47
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mattoliveraunotmyname: wrong way. there is a chance I'd miss it :P21:47
hurricanerixthanks, jrichli gave me her checklist, which is making this much easier.21:47
acolesmattoliverau: do that every year and stay forever young21:47
notmynameI'll pass out more info on the hackathon as we have it21:48
mattoliveraulol, yeah if your birthday day doesn't actually happen, do I get to stay younger?21:48
notmynameof course!21:48
notmyname#topic what's up with the whole golang conversation?21:48
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hurricanerixand if anybody has any questions or requests, feel free to pm/email me21:48
notmynameso there's been a *huge* mailing list thread and several rather intense IRC meeting discussions21:48
notmynamenothing is "decided" per-se, but many of the cross-project teams are working on figuring the details of what supporting golang means21:49
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notmynameeg we've got to figure out how we identify dependencies and have some sort of reproducable builds. and how to run golang tests in the -infra environment. and how to find and build docstring-style docs21:50
notmynamestuff like that21:50
notmynameso those are going well, I think21:50
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notmynamethe TC meeting this week, however, was...interesting21:50
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notmynamebasically it very quickly got steered from "do we support golang" to "what *is* openstack and is it ok to actually have a dataplane service project in openstack or not"21:51
notmynamethere will likely be another (very long) email thread about this question in the near future21:52
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notmynamemattoliverau: yeah. wow21:52
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redboI still say we were here first, and they should be the ones to leave.21:52
nadeemha ha21:52
mattoliverauredbo: rofl21:52
notmynameI actually don't htink anyone is going to leave :-)21:52
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notmynameso, because there's a whole lot of different things being said, I wanted to be available to answer any questions you have about it, if you've been paying attention21:53
nadeembut reading through tc meeting seems like some guys want Swift to leave openstack21:53
bkeller`i think it's more of they want the front-end of swift to stay, but the back-end (which we'd be porting to go) should be its own separate service21:54
notmynamenadeem: I'm not sure that's the case. I do think there's some misconceptions and a perception that "swift is different"21:54
notmynamebkeller`: and that's the misconception, I think. where the (rather arbitrary) line between front-end and back-end is21:54
nadeemyep true21:54
notmynameso that's part of what I'm trying to work with a few people on the TC and in defcore about21:55
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notmynameas of now, with the current defcore standard, you can run swift on top of some other system and still pass defcore. however, that doesn't mean swift is an object storage provisioning service21:56
nadeemnotmyname: I would say you did a good job on all of this.21:56
notmynamenadeem: thanks. still trying to figure out most of it as I go :-)21:56
notmynameif anyone does have concerns, please feel free to ask me publicly or privately. concerns with either what other people are saying or with what i'm saying21:57
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redboDoes that mean all the other projects would have to spin off their default backends?  Like keystone's mysql backend and cinder's lvm backend?21:57
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notmynameredbo: actually i think the extreme conclusion is that swift would become like mysql or lvm (a service that is used but not part of openstakc)21:57
notmynamenow, I don't htink that will actually happen, but it is the logical conclusion of one answer21:58
notmynameredbo: at least, that's how ttx presented it in the TC meeting21:58
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notmynamepersonally, I'm not sure why this conversation needs to be had or needs to be had at this particular time. I'm not sure of the actual problem that's being solved or the issue that's actually broken21:59
notmynamethere are about zero people who have actually approached me to talk about these things, although i have had several people relay these things to me anonymously21:59
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notmynameso in general, stuff is happening. we;ll see where it goes. I'm not particularly worried about swift's place in openstack in the future22:00
notmynameand I'd be happy to talk with you if you want to go over it more22:00
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mattoliverausorry I'm dumbfounded with the craziness.22:00
notmynameheh. me too, sometimes :-)22:01
notmynamelooks like we're over time22:01
mattoliveraunotmyname: thanks as always for being the voice and taking the swift fight22:01
pdardeaunotmyname: maybe we can have group therapy at hackathon ;)22:01
joeljwrightnotmyname: I'll second that - thanks22:01
notmynamethank you for your participation and work on swift. 6 years now!22:01
notmynamepdardeau: lol22:01
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redboI've been working on it for 7 years :(22:01
notmynameI appreciate your support :-)22:02
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notmynameredbo: 6.5 for me :-)22:02
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