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| aspiers | hi ddeja | 07:59 |
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| ddeja | hello | 08:00 |
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| aspiers | I guess samP is about to join | 08:00 |
| ddeja | cool | 08:01 |
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| aspiers | #startmeeting ha | 08:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon May 23 08:03:43 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is aspiers. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ha)" | 08:03 | |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ha' | 08:03 |
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| aspiers | OK samP only has 10 minutes but I don't think we need long today anyway | 08:04 |
| aspiers | I guess he will join any second | 08:04 |
| samP_ | sorry guys | 08:04 |
| aspiers | no problem :) | 08:04 |
| aspiers | #topic specs and user story | 08:04 |
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| aspiers | we can keep it very quick | 08:04 |
| aspiers | I don't have much to report anyway | 08:04 |
| aspiers | since I was too busy last week | 08:04 |
| aspiers | but today I plan to fully review the user story and start writing specs | 08:04 |
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| aspiers | I think the nova-specs template should be fine | 08:05 |
| aspiers | #link https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/nova-specs/specs/newton/template.html can be reused for writing our specs | 08:05 |
| samP_ | have you attend to VoIP meeting morning? | 08:05 |
| ddeja | I was on sick leave last two weeks so I didn't do much, unfortunately | 08:05 |
| samP_ | with PWG team? | 08:05 |
| aspiers | ddeja: sorry to hear that | 08:05 |
| aspiers | samP_: I thought PWG meeting was tonight? | 08:06 |
| samP_ | ah.. ok | 08:06 |
| aspiers | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/product-team is the PWG meetings details | 08:06 |
| aspiers | there is 10 minutes allocated for the HA VM user story | 08:07 |
| ddeja | this week I'll mostly be focused on Mistral, since Renat asked me to cover the problem of ACK after message is processed | 08:07 |
| aspiers | so I will try to make sure they have up to date info | 08:07 |
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| ddeja | aspiers: cool | 08:07 |
| aspiers | samP_: did you start writing any specs yet? | 08:07 |
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| aspiers | I think I will start drafting via etherpad and add links from https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-instance-ha | 08:08 |
| samP_ | I start VM monitoring sepc. But I coulnt finish it | 08:08 |
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| aspiers | samP_: cool, could you provide a link to it? | 08:09 |
| aspiers | samP_: or copy/paste into a new etherpad? | 08:09 |
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| aspiers | e.g. https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-instance-ha-vm-monitoring-spec | 08:09 |
| samP_ | Sorry, I cant do it now. | 08:09 |
| aspiers | samP_: no rush, I mean when you have time :) | 08:09 |
| samP_ | I will share it tomorrow. | 08:09 |
| aspiers | great, thanks! | 08:09 |
| aspiers | ddeja: so you have the host recovery spec assigned to you | 08:10 |
| ddeja | aspiers: yup | 08:10 |
| aspiers | ddeja: is that still OK? | 08:10 |
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| ddeja | totaly | 08:10 |
| aspiers | great | 08:10 |
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| aspiers | let's use that nova-specs template | 08:10 |
| aspiers | I was also wondering if we should create a blueprint | 08:10 |
| samP_ | aspiers: +1 | 08:11 |
| aspiers | it's not clear to me where blueprints fit into the new workflow | 08:11 |
| aspiers | I tried to find docs on that but failed | 08:11 |
| samP_ | +1 for use nova spec | 08:11 |
| ddeja | from what I understand | 08:11 |
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| ddeja | usage of blueprints depends on particular projects | 08:11 |
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| aspiers | yes that was my understanding too | 08:11 |
| aspiers | i.e. some projects use blueprints, some use specs, and some use both - right? | 08:12 |
| ddeja | yup | 08:12 |
| samP_ | nova use both | 08:12 |
| aspiers | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/nova/_sources/kilo.blueprints.txt | 08:12 |
| aspiers | but this does not exist for later releases | 08:12 |
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| ddeja | but that doesn't mean that nova is not using blueprints | 08:14 |
| aspiers | true, they are still using them | 08:14 |
| aspiers | AFAICS | 08:14 |
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| aspiers | ah, http://docs.openstack.org/developer/nova/blueprints.html seems to be the latest | 08:17 |
| samP_ | Really sorry guys. I have to leave now. I will check the log when I come back. so, catch you all in openstack-ha. | 08:17 |
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| aspiers | although nova is a slightly bigger project than ours ;-) | 08:17 |
| aspiers | samP_: no problem at all, thanks for joining! | 08:18 |
| samP_ | ddeja: get well soon...take care | 08:18 |
| ddeja | samP_: thanks! | 08:18 |
| samP_ | ok then.. | 08:18 |
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| ddeja | aspiers: from what I see, nova always have blueprints for new features | 08:19 |
| ddeja | and sometimes specs | 08:19 |
| aspiers | ddeja: yes it seems so | 08:19 |
| aspiers | ddeja: any thoughts on whether we should also use blueprints? | 08:19 |
| aspiers | I guess that would be tied to a particular project | 08:19 |
| aspiers | which maybe we should avoid for now | 08:19 |
| aspiers | since we already discussed moving specs around when we understand their per-project impact better | 08:20 |
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| ddeja | I guess for now we should just use specs | 08:20 |
| aspiers | I am probably over-thinking this though :) | 08:20 |
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| aspiers | yes that should be fine | 08:20 |
| aspiers | nova changes are bigger and more complicated | 08:20 |
| ddeja | we can write blueprint if writing a spec started to be too complicated | 08:20 |
| aspiers | exactly | 08:20 |
| ddeja | OK, cool | 08:21 |
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| ddeja | do we have anything else on agenda? ;) | 08:22 |
| aspiers | I don't think so | 08:22 |
| aspiers | :) | 08:22 |
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| aspiers | #topic AOB | 08:22 |
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| aspiers | seems noone else is here either | 08:23 |
| ddeja | yup | 08:23 |
| aspiers | I hope I can join the PWG meeting tonight | 08:23 |
| ddeja | I'm pretty sure that I couldn't | 08:23 |
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| aspiers | OK, well if I do, I can report back, e.g. on #openstack-ha | 08:24 |
| ddeja | cool | 08:25 |
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| aspiers | alright, if there's nothing else shall we close the meeting for today? | 08:25 |
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| ddeja | I guess so | 08:25 |
| aspiers | ok | 08:25 |
| aspiers | see you on IRC :) | 08:26 |
| aspiers | #endmeeting | 08:26 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon May 23 08:26:11 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:26 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/2016/ha.2016-05-23-08.03.html | 08:26 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/2016/ha.2016-05-23-08.03.txt | 08:26 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/2016/ha.2016-05-23-08.03.log.html | 08:26 |
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| boris-42 | amaretskiy: ping | 14:10 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets__: ping | 14:10 |
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| ikhudoshyn | ыгз | 14:10 |
| ikhudoshyn | sup | 14:10 |
| boris-42 | hi | 14:10 |
| amaretskiy | hi | 14:11 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: hi | 14:11 |
| boris-42 | #startmeeting rally | 14:11 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon May 23 14:11:09 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is boris-42. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:11 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:11 |
| rvasilets__ | Hi | 14:11 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rally' | 14:11 |
| stpierre | hey | 14:11 |
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| boris-42 | #topic 1 seems like we need job for existing users | 14:11 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "1 seems like we need job for existing users (Meeting topic: rally)" | 14:11 | |
| boris-42 | https://bugs.launchpad.net/rally/+bug/1584765 | 14:11 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1584765 in Rally "AttributeError when using "existing_users" context" [Undecided,New] | 14:11 |
| boris-42 | ^ this sounds like very bad =( | 14:11 |
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| ikhudoshyn | andreykurilin just told we do test it in gates | 14:12 |
| ikhudoshyn | how could this happen | 14:12 |
| ikhudoshyn | ? | 14:12 |
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| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: btw where is andrey? | 14:13 |
| ikhudoshyn | he's OOO | 14:14 |
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| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: we are not testing with existing users | 14:14 |
| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: we are testing with existing users only samples validation not running them | 14:14 |
| ikhudoshyn | ic | 14:14 |
| ikhudoshyn | i'd take the issue, others seem to be busy | 14:15 |
| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: so we need gate job to check that it works | 14:15 |
| rvasilets__ | Previous we discussed to create separate job at rally-ci, no? | 14:15 |
| ikhudoshyn | sure | 14:15 |
| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: I would create a job with neutron enabled | 14:15 |
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| boris-42 | rvasilets__: ikhudoshyn this doesn't require usage of rally-ci | 14:16 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets__: ikhudoshyn I would prefer jenkins job | 14:16 |
| ikhudoshyn | got it. will do | 14:16 |
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| ikhudoshyn | looks like we don't have too much to discuss | 14:18 |
| boris-42 | stpierre: do you have something to disucss? | 14:18 |
| boris-42 | #topic open discussion | 14:18 |
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| stpierre | nope | 14:18 |
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| ikhudoshyn | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/167060/ -- not urgent yet it's waiting for yr eyes | 14:18 |
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| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: ya it's quite important | 14:19 |
| boris-42 | I will try | 14:19 |
| ikhudoshyn | tnx | 14:19 |
| boris-42 | to review it soon | 14:19 |
| rvasilets__ | Me too | 14:19 |
| amaretskiy | please take look at trends report patches | 14:19 |
| amaretskiy | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/294125/ | 14:19 |
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| boris-42 | amaretskiy: ok | 14:21 |
| boris-42 | I think we can finish meeting | 14:21 |
| boris-42 | see you next week | 14:21 |
| boris-42 | #endmeeting | 14:21 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon May 23 14:21:26 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:21 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2016/rally.2016-05-23-14.11.html | 14:21 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2016/rally.2016-05-23-14.11.txt | 14:21 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2016/rally.2016-05-23-14.11.log.html | 14:21 |
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| anteaya | #startmeeting third-party | 15:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon May 23 15:03:41 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:03 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 15:03 |
| anteaya | hello | 15:03 |
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| anteaya | thank you lennyb | 15:03 |
| lennyb | :) | 15:03 |
| mmedvede | o/ | 15:04 |
| anteaya | infra is having an operating system upgrade sprint this week | 15:04 |
| anteaya | I was in mid-patch | 15:04 |
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| lennyb | anteaya, I see at #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/ThirdParty that there are still 0800 utc meeting | 15:04 |
| anteaya | thanks for the tap on the shoulder lennyb | 15:04 |
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| anteaya | lennyb: thank you | 15:04 |
| anteaya | I'll clean that up | 15:04 |
| lennyb | anteaya: you prevented me from doing it twice a week :) | 15:05 |
| anteaya | lennyb: you were getting so good at it | 15:05 |
| anteaya | :) | 15:05 |
| anteaya | infra is having a sprint this week: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/VirtualSprints#Infra_Trusty_Upgrade | 15:05 |
| anteaya | newcomers welcome | 15:05 |
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| anteaya | does anyone have anything they would like to discuss this week? | 15:05 |
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| lennyb | if it's only you and me again, I will let you go to infra | 15:06 |
| anteaya | mmedvede: is here too | 15:06 |
| anteaya | mmedvede: thanks for doing the meeting last week | 15:06 |
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| mmedvede | anteaya: you're welcome | 15:07 |
| lennyb | mmedvede: did you use/worked with docker? | 15:07 |
| anteaya | we just disabled a personal account leaving CI comments on cinder patches: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/319965/1 | 15:07 |
| mmedvede | lennyb: no, I have not yet | 15:07 |
| anteaya | so if you see it show up again, let us know | 15:07 |
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| asselin | good morning | 15:07 |
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| anteaya | lennyb: you are doing investigations with docker are you not? | 15:07 |
| anteaya | asselin: morning | 15:07 |
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| lennyb | anteaya: yes. we are checking if we ca move our ci to dockers. | 15:08 |
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| anteaya | how is your investigation coming along? | 15:08 |
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| lennyb | to many issue :( | 15:09 |
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| anteaya | :( | 15:10 |
| lennyb | since it's not 'pure vm' and using host kernel there are a lot of modules and libs that are in conflict. but we are still on it | 15:10 |
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| anteaya | go you | 15:10 |
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| anteaya | anyone else doing anything with containers or looking at doing anything with containers? | 15:11 |
| lennyb | i am in contact with wznoinsk | 15:12 |
| anteaya | awesome | 15:12 |
| anteaya | is wznoinsk also doing some of this kind of work? | 15:12 |
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| mmedvede | we'd like to, but right now too swamped with just maintaining existing CI | 15:12 |
| anteaya | mmedvede: I understand | 15:13 |
| anteaya | lennyb: did you end up posting about this to a mailing list? | 15:13 |
| anteaya | I think we discussed you doing so but I can't remember if you did | 15:13 |
| lennyb | anteaya: no, not yet. | 15:13 |
| anteaya | ah did we discuss you doing so? | 15:13 |
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| lennyb | anteaya: yes. | 15:14 |
| anteaya | ah okay | 15:14 |
| anteaya | glad my memory is still intact | 15:14 |
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| anteaya | so I do think a mailing list post would draw from a wider audience to see who else is going this direction | 15:14 |
| anteaya | when you feel like posting something | 15:15 |
| lennyb | anteaya: sure | 15:15 |
| anteaya | thanks | 15:15 |
| anteaya | any more on the topic of containers? | 15:15 |
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| anteaya | does anyone have any other topic they would like to discuss today? | 15:17 |
| anteaya | does anyone have any objection to me closing the meeting? | 15:17 |
| mmedvede | does anyone has problems with their zuul-merger recently? | 15:18 |
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| anteaya | mmedvede: thank you | 15:18 |
| lennyb | mmedvede: what kind of? | 15:18 |
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| mmedvede | it often hangs while trying to get nova patches | 15:18 |
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| anteaya | mmedvede: have you something you can share in a paste? | 15:18 |
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| mmedvede | i.e. you'll notice that merge queue is not getting smaller, and then when you check process list, one of 'ssh review.o.o' subprocesses is hanging/taking too long | 15:19 |
| anteaya | mmedvede: do you know when this began? | 15:19 |
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| lennyb | I saw it a while ago ( about month ago ) | 15:19 |
| mmedvede | anteaya: I noticed about a week ago | 15:19 |
| anteaya | hmmm | 15:20 |
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| mmedvede | anteaya: I suspect it could be either our connection, or review.o.o being overwhelmed | 15:20 |
| anteaya | have either of you looked at zuul bugs to see if anything has been filed? | 15:20 |
| lennyb | nope | 15:20 |
| anteaya | mmedvede: either way it would be good to document what you are seeing | 15:20 |
| anteaya | mmedvede: would you be willing to file a zuul story on it? | 15:20 |
| ociuhandu | anteaya: we seem to have issues if the load is low, ssh connection seem to timeout but not get closed. Thoug, we’re still investigating this issue so I wouldn’t say for sure it’s a zuul bug, yet | 15:20 |
| anteaya | ociuhandu: okay fair enough | 15:21 |
| ociuhandu | hi all, btw :) | 15:21 |
| anteaya | ociuhandu: hello | 15:21 |
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| anteaya | ociuhandu: is your system the same system mmedvede is talking about? | 15:21 |
| anteaya | or a different one? | 15:21 |
| mmedvede | anteaya: ok. Asked in case someone sees it. We also have more patches now, I am trying to add more zuul-mergers | 15:21 |
| ociuhandu | different one | 15:22 |
| anteaya | mmedvede: yup, makes sense | 15:22 |
| mmedvede | it is definitely not what ociuhandu is talking about, as it happens when there are many patches | 15:22 |
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| anteaya | okay yeah if different systems are seeing issues with zuul mergers then it is worth documenting something somewhere | 15:22 |
| mmedvede | although I did see during slow times zuul also stops enqueueing patches sometimes | 15:22 |
| anteaya | since the zuul, zuul merger, zuul launcher work is ongoing | 15:22 |
| mmedvede | worth noting we are pinning zuul, so any new work should not affect it | 15:23 |
| anteaya | is there a thread on the infra mailing list about this? | 15:23 |
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| anteaya | or would that be the best place to document some things? | 15:23 |
| lennyb | mmedvede: I saw something similar, also /var/log/zuul/*log have size of 0 in such cases | 15:23 |
| anteaya | I suspect jeblair is interested in hearing your experiences | 15:23 |
| anteaya | and would like a chance to hear details and follow up | 15:23 |
| mmedvede | no, I did not want to start thread until I know it is not something with upstream | 15:24 |
| anteaya | if load is an issue then that needs to be conveyed | 15:24 |
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| anteaya | mmedvede: okay, well if 3 different systems are having zuul issues | 15:24 |
| anteaya | I do think that is something that jeblair would like to know about | 15:24 |
| anteaya | how should we share that information? | 15:25 |
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| mmedvede | anteaya: I know that the "solution" would be to update to latest zuul first | 15:25 |
| anteaya | mmedvede: okay fair enough | 15:25 |
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| ociuhandu | in our case, we’ll start a thread once we confirm the cause, as we have 2 environments in 2 datacenters and while both have the issue, one of them is showing it more frequently (i.e. once every 1-2 days, vs, less than once a week on the other one) | 15:25 |
| mmedvede | because we pin, anything I can provide would probably be of little value | 15:26 |
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| mmedvede | unless the problem is due to review.o.o | 15:26 |
| anteaya | hmmmm | 15:26 |
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| anteaya | mmedvede: it might be, but we have no way of investigating without having something filed | 15:26 |
| mmedvede | if it is due to review.o.o , I expected more people to have that problem | 15:26 |
| anteaya | I'm not sure where jeblair is this week so don't know when/if he will see these meeting logs | 15:26 |
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| anteaya | mmedvede: maybe they do | 15:27 |
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| anteaya | but maybe like you they don't want to say anything | 15:27 |
| mmedvede | hehe | 15:27 |
| anteaya | so this is why I think at least a thread on the infra mailing list would be useful here | 15:27 |
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| mmedvede | anteaya: ok, I'll try a couple of things first, and might start a thread | 15:28 |
| anteaya | mmedvede: thank you | 15:28 |
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| anteaya | I appreciate you mentioning the issue | 15:28 |
| anteaya | anything more on this topic? | 15:28 |
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| anteaya | any objection to me closing the meeting? | 15:29 |
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| anteaya | oh sorry, any other topic anyone would like to discuss? | 15:29 |
| anteaya | I forgot to ask that question | 15:29 |
| mmedvede | not from me. Thanks ociuhandu, lennyb for the information | 15:29 |
| anteaya | mmedvede: thanks for bringing up the topic | 15:30 |
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| ociuhandu | no other points from me, thanks | 15:30 |
| anteaya | ociuhandu: thank you | 15:30 |
| lennyb | nope | 15:30 |
| anteaya | now I'll ask, does anyone object to me closing the meeting? | 15:30 |
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| ociuhandu | no | 15:31 |
| lennyb | no, see you all next week | 15:31 |
| anteaya | thank you all | 15:31 |
| anteaya | I appreciate your attendance and participation | 15:31 |
| anteaya | see you next week | 15:31 |
| anteaya | #endmeeting | 15:31 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon May 23 15:31:39 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-05-23-15.03.html | 15:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-05-23-15.03.txt | 15:31 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-05-23-15.03.log.html | 15:31 |
| ociuhandu | thanks anteaya, bye all | 15:31 |
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| rakhmerov | #startmeeting Mistral | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon May 23 16:01:54 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rakhmerov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 16:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral' | 16:02 |
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| rakhmerov | hi | 16:02 |
| rbrady | hey! | 16:02 |
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| rakhmerov | rbrady: how are you? | 16:02 |
| mgershen | o/ | 16:03 |
| ddeja | Hi | 16:03 |
| rbrady | rakhmerov: doing well | 16:03 |
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| rakhmerov | ddeja: hi | 16:04 |
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| rakhmerov | mgershen: hi ) | 16:04 |
| hparekh_ | hi' | 16:04 |
| rakhmerov | hi hi ) | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Review Action items | 16:05 |
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| d0ugal | o/ | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | 1. rakhmerov: check if PyPi allows to rename releases | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | yes, it does but I still didn't do it | 16:06 |
| rakhmerov | was doing something else | 16:06 |
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| rakhmerov | #topic Current status (progress, issues, roadblocks, further plans) | 16:06 |
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| rakhmerov | let's quickly tell our updates, if any | 16:07 |
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| rakhmerov | my status: doing a huge refactoring in Mistral engine, it's challenging but 100% required, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317879/ | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | most of the tests already started passing | 16:08 |
| hparekh_ | working on mistral-fail-transition-message. | 16:08 |
| mgershen | I still didn't get the chance to complete the test for validate action cli call | 16:08 |
| ddeja | My status: Not many work unfortunately, I still didn't recover fully and I didn't come back to office. But I have take a look into old patches implementing own RPC layer. I'm starting to working on rebasing them from Wednesday | 16:08 |
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| rakhmerov | mgershen: I suggest you add a test in a separate patch, IMO it's ok in case of functional tests | 16:08 |
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| rakhmerov | ddeja: ok, sure. Take care of yourself and get better | 16:09 |
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| mgershen | OK, I'll push later today or tomorrow. | 16:09 |
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| rakhmerov | ddeja: once you're back, find me in IRC and we'll discuss your next steps | 16:09 |
| rbrady | I worked on the bug 1581649 for a while. I eventually reverted TripleO to use eventlet again for now and will come back to this bug once the other integration tasks are done | 16:10 |
| openstack | bug 1581649 in Mistral "Action Execution Response Timeout" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1581649 - Assigned to Ryan Brady (rbrady) | 16:10 |
| ddeja | rakhmerov: Thanks, I'm ok now and starting regular work from Wednesday, so I hope to push this case much faster :) | 16:10 |
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| d0ugal | rakhmerov: Is there a description of the refactoring goals/plans? | 16:10 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: there's a bunch of blueprints that together explain what needs to be fixed | 16:10 |
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| d0ugal | rakhmerov: k, I'll take a look. It would be good to reference them in the commit message | 16:11 |
| mgershen | ddeja: feel better | 16:11 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: yes, sure. It's just not complete yet, but you're right. I'll insert all needed info | 16:11 |
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| rakhmerov | for example, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-engine-error-handling | 16:12 |
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| d0ugal | rakhmerov: thanks :) | 16:12 |
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| rakhmerov | once I started it I realized that a lot of things need to be improved | 16:12 |
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| rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov: add all necessary info (links to BPs and bugs) to engine refactoring patch | 16:13 |
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| rakhmerov | one more thing, kong also sent a patch to enforce upper constraints, now we're trying to backport it into stable/mitaka | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | because now this branch is stuck due to new version of oslo.messaging | 16:14 |
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| rakhmerov | #topic Discuss what should be finalized in Newton-1 | 16:15 |
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| rakhmerov | here's what's assigned to Newton-1: https://launchpad.net/mistral/+milestone/newton-1 | 16:16 |
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| rakhmerov | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-alternative-rpc | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | ddeja: I'll move it to Newton-2 for now | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | and reassign it to you | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | ok? | 16:16 |
| ddeja | rakhmerov: OK | 16:17 |
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| rakhmerov | honestly, I'm not even sure if we'll get it done in Newton-2 but if we do it would be awesome | 16:17 |
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| rakhmerov | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-custom-actions-api | 16:18 |
| ddeja | rakhmerov: I hope it can be done in Newton-2, a lot of work is already done | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | same here, just one week left in N-1 so need to move it to N-2 too | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | hope so | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | rbrady: with Actions API, technically we can start working on it | 16:19 |
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| rakhmerov | at least writing some minimal spec with goals, approaches etc. | 16:19 |
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| rakhmerov | like we discussed, I can propose an initial spec before the end of N-2 and then we'll complete it and decide who's going to contribute and how | 16:20 |
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| rakhmerov | obviously we'll not finish it during a week but I think N-2 looks feasible | 16:21 |
| rakhmerov | we discussed this BP internally and decided that it's a high priority thing for us too | 16:21 |
| rakhmerov | I mean Nokia | 16:21 |
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| rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov: propose an initial spec for Custom Actions API | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-fail-transition-message | 16:23 |
| rakhmerov | hparekh_: I think this one will be done | 16:23 |
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| rakhmerov | tell me if I'm wrong | 16:23 |
| hparekh_ | rakhmerov: yrah it will be done in N-1 | 16:23 |
| rakhmerov | ok, great | 16:24 |
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| rakhmerov | I just updated its status | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-priority-task-scheduler | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | this one is on Winson (StackStorm) but he's now working on a different task so this one will be moved to a later milestone | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | I even think it should be N-3 for now | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/validate-ad-hoc-action-api | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | I expect that this one will be done in N-1 | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | mgershen: seems like there's not too much left on it | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | right? | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | fix a client a little bit and functional tests | 16:26 |
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| mgershen | I think I can move this to done now | 16:27 |
| mgershen | The client is a different project | 16:27 |
| rakhmerov | formally yes | 16:27 |
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| mgershen | What do you think? Should I? The code is In for the API | 16:28 |
| rakhmerov | for now, I'd keep it "IN PROGRESS" because we don't pay too much attention to a client project at LP | 16:28 |
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| rakhmerov | if you move it to done then please make sure there's a BP at a client LP project | 16:28 |
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| rakhmerov | so that we know how to track it | 16:29 |
| mgershen | Ok | 16:29 |
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| rakhmerov | as far as other BPs, I'm confident that they will be done | 16:29 |
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| mgershen | If It doesn't have to wait for the test, there is no problem | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | except UI BPs that I first need to discuss with a UI developer (he's not here) | 16:29 |
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| rakhmerov | as far as bugs | 16:30 |
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| rakhmerov | it'd be good to fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/mistral/+bug/1581649 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/mistral/+bug/1584731 in N-1 | 16:31 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1581649 in Mistral "Action Execution Response Timeout" [High,New] - Assigned to Ryan Brady (rbrady) | 16:31 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1584731 in Mistral "Intermitent ActionExecution not found" [Critical,New] | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | we've already done some investigation with rbrady on the first one and know approximately where the problem is | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | seems like it's an issue with eventlet under Apache | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | as far as the second one, any volunteers? | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | :) | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | I think it's something relatively simple | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | hparekh: do you think you'll have capacity this week to look at it? | 16:33 |
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| rakhmerov | or early next week | 16:33 |
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| hparekh | yeah sure I will finish my bp then i can look into it sure | 16:34 |
| rbrady | rakhmerov: I plan on taking another go at it towards the end of this week, but I'm definitely open to help or collaborating | 16:34 |
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| rakhmerov | hparekh: ok, assigned to you | 16:34 |
| hparekh | rakhmerov ok | 16:35 |
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| rakhmerov | rbrady: yes, thanks. I actually didn't understand something | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | you said that you switched back to Apache | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | but it does not work with Apache | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | I may have misunderstood you | 16:35 |
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| rbrady | rakhmerov: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/319262/ | 16:36 |
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| rakhmerov | ooh, I see | 16:36 |
| rakhmerov | thanks | 16:36 |
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| rakhmerov | anyway, I'd like to solve this since a lot of people will be stumbling on it | 16:37 |
| rbrady | rakhmerov: this should keep tripleo undercloud working for now, but the idea is apache would be a better place to serve it like nova and keystone | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:37 |
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| rakhmerov | mgershen: Michal, please also look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/mistral/+bug/1581514 once you have 30 mins | 16:38 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1581514 in Mistral "Misinterpretation of action execution state by ActionExecutionsController" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Michal Gershenzon (michal-gershenzon) | 16:38 |
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| rakhmerov | it's pretty simple and we can fix it sooner than later | 16:38 |
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| rakhmerov | as far as other bugs, I'll move 2-3 to N-2 as they won't be finished this week | 16:39 |
| mgershen | rakhmerov: sure np | 16:39 |
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| rakhmerov | https://bugs.launchpad.net/mistral/+bug/1484521, https://bugs.launchpad.net/mistral/liberty/+bug/1424461 | 16:40 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1484521 in Mistral "wait-before and retry policies directly call task_handler.run_existing_task() method via RPC" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Renat Akhmerov (rakhmerov) | 16:40 |
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| openstack | Launchpad bug 1424461 in Mistral "Published vars lost for complex parallel join" [High,Confirmed] - Assigned to Renat Akhmerov (rakhmerov) | 16:40 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, let's move to the next topic | 16:41 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Discuss Newton-2 scope | 16:41 |
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| rakhmerov | https://launchpad.net/mistral/+milestone/newton-2 | 16:42 |
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| rakhmerov | there will be several additions as a legacy of N-1 | 16:42 |
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| rakhmerov | for now, I'd like to discuss 4-5 major things probably that we need to tackle in N-2 | 16:43 |
| rakhmerov | I'll select BPs based on that and on the next meeting we need to discuss that again in details and assign tasks | 16:44 |
| rakhmerov | so, the thing #1 - Custom Actions API | 16:44 |
| rakhmerov | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-custom-actions-api | 16:44 |
| rakhmerov | it causes a lot of pain already and it needs to be done sooner because it's a serious gap in API | 16:45 |
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| rakhmerov | no matter whether it's a Python API or not | 16:45 |
| rakhmerov | I realized that probably we'll have to move that Python API (as well as probably some other stuff) into a separate subproject | 16:46 |
| rakhmerov | like mistral-common | 16:46 |
| rakhmerov | or something like this | 16:46 |
| rakhmerov | but we'll discuss it in the spec | 16:46 |
| d0ugal | I would like to help with this if I can | 16:46 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: sure, if you can please attend the next meeting | 16:47 |
| rbrady | rakhmerov: do you want to start a spec patch or want one of use to do it? | 16:47 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: will do | 16:47 |
| rbrady | s/use/us/ | 16:47 |
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| rakhmerov | rbrady: if you have time, please go ahead | 16:47 |
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| rakhmerov | it doesn't matter who starts it | 16:47 |
| rbrady | rakhmerov: ack | 16:47 |
| rakhmerov | kind of related to this: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-separate-openstack-actions | 16:48 |
| rakhmerov | I think it's important too | 16:48 |
| * d0ugal reads | 16:48 | |
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| d0ugal | oh, I hadn't seen that one. Sounds like a great plan. | 16:49 |
| rakhmerov | btw, this all comes from my head based on our summit discussions but if you disagree with something pls disagree out loud ) | 16:49 |
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| rakhmerov | d0ugal: yeah, there's many reasons why it should be done, better sooner | 16:49 |
| rakhmerov | assigned it to N-2 | 16:50 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, what else | 16:50 |
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| rakhmerov | I'd finally like to propose a spec for API v3: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-api-v3 | 16:51 |
| rakhmerov | it's been going on for a long time, I see that we need to start improving usability | 16:52 |
| rakhmerov | speaking of API v3, I don't mean workflow language | 16:52 |
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| rakhmerov | language is ok, although we're planning a number of small additions to it (backwards compatible) | 16:52 |
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| rbrady | it would be great to expand that spec. it's not entirely clear from the lp description | 16:53 |
| rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov: Propose a spec for API v3 in N-2 | 16:53 |
| rakhmerov | rbrady: yeah-yeah, true | 16:53 |
| rakhmerov | I already started making some notes on what we need to fix in API v2 but I didn't sort them out yet | 16:53 |
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| rakhmerov | will try to share soon | 16:54 |
| rbrady | ack | 16:54 |
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| rakhmerov | most likely, we'll also need https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-multi-region-support | 16:55 |
| rakhmerov | soon | 16:55 |
| rakhmerov | will assign it to N-2 too | 16:55 |
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| rakhmerov | there's also one thing that I'd like to do: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-logo | 16:57 |
| rakhmerov | :) | 16:57 |
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| rakhmerov | but we need a designer here I guess | 16:58 |
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| rakhmerov | anyway, share your ideas! | 16:58 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: I know who to ask :) | 16:58 |
| rbrady | rakhmerov: I know a designer (the one who made the tripleo logo) | 16:58 |
| d0ugal | jrist: ^ | 16:58 |
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| d0ugal | rbrady: ha, snap. | 16:58 |
| rbrady | yes, jrist! | 16:58 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: ooh, that would be awesome | 16:58 |
| jrist | haha | 16:58 |
| rbrady | rakhmerov: how did Mistral get its name? | 16:59 |
| jrist | designer might be a stretch | 16:59 |
| d0ugal | I joked to jrist on Friday that he should make a Mistral logo, so I am glad one is wanted :) | 16:59 |
| rakhmerov | ok, we're running out of time. I'll propose more BPs and bugs till the next meeting, let's discuss more next time | 16:59 |
| d0ugal | +1 | 16:59 |
| rakhmerov | rbrady: it was an idea of one of my managers at Mirantis :) | 16:59 |
| rakhmerov | I don't know how it came up, I guess just because the word itself is pretty beautiful | 17:00 |
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| d0ugal | Yeah, it's a cool name | 17:00 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: haha, you really discussed that?? ) | 17:00 |
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| d0ugal | rakhmerov: Yup, because he just done a logo for my python usergroup | 17:00 |
| d0ugal | anyway... time up :) | 17:00 |
| rakhmerov | hahaha )) | 17:00 |
| rakhmerov | awesome | 17:00 |
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| rakhmerov | yes, thanks for joining guys | 17:00 |
| rakhmerov | bye | 17:01 |
| rakhmerov | #endmeeting | 17:01 |
| d0ugal | Thanks! | 17:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon May 23 17:01:05 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:01 |
| ddeja | bye | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2016/mistral.2016-05-23-16.01.html | 17:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2016/mistral.2016-05-23-16.01.txt | 17:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2016/mistral.2016-05-23-16.01.log.html | 17:01 |
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| mgershen | Bye | 17:01 |
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| ryanpetrello | #startmeeting astara | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon May 23 18:00:22 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ryanpetrello. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| markmcclain | o/ | 18:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'astara' | 18:00 |
| ryanpetrello | o/ markmcclain | 18:00 |
| ryanpetrello | adam_g rods eric_lopez | 18:00 |
| rods | o/ | 18:01 |
| adam_g | o/ | 18:01 |
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| ryanpetrello | so what's up this week? | 18:05 |
| ryanpetrello | adam_g fixed the oslo messaging thing :) | 18:06 |
| ryanpetrello | thanks for digging into that | 18:06 |
| eric_lopez | sorry - little late | 18:06 |
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| ryanpetrello | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/319443/ | 18:06 |
| ryanpetrello | adam_g, does this affect older versions of astara? | 18:07 |
| ryanpetrello | i.e., will we need to backport anything? | 18:07 |
| adam_g | ryanpetrello: it shouldn't, one sec let me check global-requirements | 18:07 |
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| ryanpetrello | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317696/ got backported to kilo and liberty, which fixes an issue we saw last week | 18:08 |
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| markmcclain | upper constraings has 4.6.1 which should be ok | 18:08 |
| adam_g | yea | 18:08 |
| adam_g | so | 18:08 |
| adam_g | it should be fine in the gate | 18:08 |
| markmcclain | we still have this easy one hanging around | 18:09 |
| markmcclain | #link : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304927/ | 18:09 |
| adam_g | but the actually requirements.txt has uncapped oslo.messaging, so anyone installing from stable branches without using constraints will have issues | 18:09 |
| markmcclain | yeah... wonder if we should propose cap? | 18:09 |
| adam_g | we could backport the messaging fix, i dont think we'll be able to cap them | 18:09 |
| markmcclain | except we can't backport because of dep on oslo.service | 18:10 |
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| adam_g | hmmm | 18:10 |
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| adam_g | markmcclain: you mean b/c we introduce a new requirement? | 18:11 |
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| markmcclain | adam_g: yeah | 18:11 |
| adam_g | ugh | 18:11 |
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| adam_g | one option would be to come up with a modified backport | 18:12 |
| adam_g | that doesn't use oslo.service | 18:12 |
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| adam_g | or, block the master patch and modify it to drop the oslo.service usage | 18:13 |
| markmcclain | yeah I think that might be doable | 18:13 |
| adam_g | backport that, then update master to use oslo.service (if we wanted it) | 18:13 |
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| markmcclain | I was also going to stand up an isolated env and make sure oslo.service is not installed by our current dependency set | 18:13 |
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| adam_g | one sec | 18:14 |
| adam_g | i can do that right quick | 18:14 |
| markmcclain | ok.. so we might be in luck | 18:14 |
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| markmcclain | the current stable/mitaka installs oslo.service | 18:14 |
| adam_g | ryanpetrello: what do you think about putting the brakes on merging 319443 ? | 18:14 |
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| ryanpetrello | wfm if we want to push pause | 18:15 |
| markmcclain | so we might be able to backport the change by first fixing the error in the undeclared dep in stable | 18:15 |
| markmcclain | and then backporting the actual change | 18:15 |
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| markmcclain | that would keep the history of why we did things clear.. thtoughts? | 18:15 |
| adam_g | markmcclain: what do you mean, fixing undeclared dep? | 18:15 |
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| markmcclain | When installing stable/mitaka in fresh env here's the current packages | 18:16 |
| markmcclain | #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/498240/ | 18:16 |
| markmcclain | we're implicitly relying on it (guessing a drive-by dep on some other oslo lib) | 18:17 |
| markmcclain | so we could explicitly declare it as a requirement for stable and then backport the fix | 18:17 |
| markmcclain | it wouldn't break anyone because it's already being installed | 18:17 |
| adam_g | yea | 18:18 |
| adam_g | WFM | 18:18 |
| adam_g | ill add +W back to the original fix then | 18:18 |
| * ryanpetrello thumbs up | 18:18 | |
| ryanpetrello | is this an issue pre-mitaka | 18:19 |
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| adam_g | ryanpetrello: only when using oslo.messaging >5.x | 18:19 |
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| ryanpetrello | k | 18:19 |
| adam_g | ryanpetrello: mitaka + liberty's requirements dont declare an upper version constraint on oslo.messaging, so pip installing it currently would get you the newer 5.x oslo.msg that would break you | 18:19 |
| ryanpetrello | right | 18:20 |
| adam_g | BUT the upper-constraints.txt pins it to 4.x in stable/mitaka, so it gives us the illusion everything is working | 18:20 |
| adam_g | ... in the gate | 18:20 |
| adam_g | *sigh* | 18:20 |
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| adam_g | so after that messaging fix is landed, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317744/ should fix the appliance image builds in the -src jobs | 18:21 |
| adam_g | and our gate should be happy across the board | 18:21 |
| adam_g | ill keep an eye and recheck that once the other merges | 18:21 |
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| ryanpetrello | awesome | 18:22 |
| ryanpetrello | thanks for this, adam_g :D | 18:22 |
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| adam_g | no prob | 18:22 |
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| ryanpetrello | any other updates from anybody? | 18:24 |
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| adam_g | not much from me, those breakages occupied most of my time last week | 18:24 |
| markmcclain | just to random fixups I mentioned earlier | 18:25 |
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| adam_g | mestery put up https://review.openstack.org/#/c/319447/ which adds a vagrant config to spinup astara devstack. i dont use vagrant so if someone who does wants to look it over, that'd be cool | 18:25 |
| markmcclain | I was working through it earlier this morning | 18:26 |
| markmcclain | thinking we might want to tweak a bit of the readme since virtualbox virt-in-virt is painfully slow since it's all emulated | 18:27 |
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| adam_g | coool. im too married to my homegrown kvm + qcow2 snapshots + nfs mounted /opt/stack to kick tires on vagrant | 18:27 |
| ryanpetrello | heh | 18:27 |
| ryanpetrello | okay, sounds like we're done | 18:28 |
| ryanpetrello | o/ | 18:28 |
| phil_h | I have been asked to present Astara to the OpenStack Ansible folks this Thursday | 18:28 |
| markmcclain | phil_h: cool | 18:28 |
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| phil_h | They have been looking at using Octavia | 18:29 |
| adam_g | phil_h: oh cool. to give an overview of it, or present ansible integration? | 18:29 |
| phil_h | I have been pushing Astara to the Rackspack folks | 18:29 |
| phil_h | I need to get some more info in the morning | 18:29 |
| phil_h | I'll let Eric know and he can pass it on to anyone else that is interested | 18:30 |
| adam_g | neat | 18:30 |
| adam_g | thanks | 18:30 |
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| eric_lopez | phil_h: lets talk I've been playing with OSAD to figure out the architecture | 18:30 |
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| phil_h | If we can get them into astara using loadbalancers then we can push them all the way into astara in hte furture | 18:31 |
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| phil_h | Yes, lets talk later today | 18:32 |
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| phil_h | call me or send me a message | 18:33 |
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| ryanpetrello | #endmeeting | 18:33 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/astara/2016/astara.2016-05-23-18.00.html | 18:33 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/astara/2016/astara.2016-05-23-18.00.txt | 18:33 |
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| emagana | Hello All! | 19:02 |
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| emagana | #startmeeting uc | 19:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon May 23 19:02:14 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is emagana. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:02 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'uc' | 19:02 |
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| emagana | Who do we have in the meeting? | 19:02 |
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| shamail | Here (but slightly distracted) | 19:03 |
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| emagana | n.p. shamail thanks for attending | 19:03 |
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| piet | o/ | 19:03 |
| emagana | I am wondering if this time is bad for people.. | 19:03 |
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| emagana | Hi piet | 19:04 |
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| emagana | I have not received any request to change it.. | 19:04 |
| piet | Howdy! | 19:04 |
| emagana | #topic Review the initial draft for UC charter creation | 19:04 |
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| emagana | #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1QmLOeseAkjBWM_TXsUeKBErNaSHnuZp81II0T71ARfo/edit?usp=sharing | 19:04 |
| emagana | Thank piet for your comments. I am still waiting for more feedback | 19:05 |
| shamail | I have some feedback that I will be glad to share here. Is this okay or should I add to doc later? | 19:05 |
| piet | Can you give some detail around the charter? | 19:05 |
| emagana | The plan is to collect more feedback this week and request to the Board of directors a change in the Governance page to include UC charter | 19:05 |
| piet | Is this an update to the charter? | 19:05 |
| emagana | shamail: directly in the document will be better but feel free to add anything here. | 19:06 |
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| shamail | I'll go back in and add to doc but couple of things. | 19:06 |
| shamail | 1) we need Enterprise under functional teams | 19:06 |
| emagana | piet: Yes. My goal is to reinforce the position of the Uc in the community and therefore all the people contributing.. we are all part of the OpenStack community | 19:06 |
| piet | Kk | 19:07 |
| shamail | 2) Do we feel okay with specifying the UC constituents without first running numbers to find how many would be eligible with the agreed upon criteria? | 19:07 |
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| emagana | shamail: I think we did that already and the numbers were fine so far. | 19:07 |
| shamail | +1 thanks | 19:07 |
| shamail | The definition looks great and the overall charter is well made too. Great work! | 19:08 |
| emagana | We have not said that if you are granted with AUC you will get a ticket free for the OpenStack Summit. We need to get into that after we complete this document. | 19:08 |
| shamail | +1 | 19:08 |
| shamail | Travel plan funding vs general ticket might be a good approach to consider | 19:08 |
| emagana | There are some part that we need still to define: | 19:08 |
| emagana | 1) Number of members of the UC | 19:09 |
| emagana | 2) Voting process | 19:09 |
| emagana | I want to start with creation under the: http://governance.openstack.org/ | 19:09 |
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| shamail | +1 | 19:10 |
| emagana | We are trying to make TC and UC very similar in structure but different in goals and approaches | 19:10 |
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| emagana | any other feedback? | 19:10 |
| shamail | I'll give feedback in doc this week. I think an email asking for more feedback once the patch is up would be good too | 19:10 |
| emagana | #action emagana send an email requesting for feedback | 19:11 |
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| emagana | ok.. moving on.. | 19:12 |
| emagana | #topic Review WG & Functional Teams | 19:13 |
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| emagana | Based on the document I would like to start the definition of the WGs vs Functional Teams | 19:13 |
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| emagana | actually not the definition but the clasification | 19:13 |
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| emagana | and also I would like to review that all WGs and Teams are actually active and impediments-free | 19:14 |
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| shamail | The classification looks good but it will require existing teams to be renamed | 19:14 |
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| emagana | shamail: That's ok. We can do that really easily. | 19:14 |
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| shamail | Initially, we were using working groups (similar to functional teams in your doc) and working teams (temporal) | 19:15 |
| emagana | I want to start with clearing the list. For instance. Is Telco really a separate group or it falls under the Product Working Group | 19:15 |
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| emagana | In my opinion I want to see it as part of the PWG | 19:16 |
| shamail | It really has been operating under PWG lately | 19:16 |
| shamail | They have suspended weekly meetings I believe | 19:16 |
| shamail | sgordon: thoughts? | 19:16 |
| emagana | Actually, I have been thinking about exchange WG for Functional Teams. The number of changes are renaming will be less and also less confusiong for people.. | 19:17 |
| shamail | +1 | 19:17 |
| shamail | I think functional teams defined "task oriented" groups begter | 19:18 |
| shamail | Better* | 19:18 |
| piet | Question about telco | 19:18 |
| emagana | piet: go ahead? | 19:19 |
| piet | Trying to understand why telco would be rolled into PWG while the others would not | 19:19 |
| emagana | I have others in mind as well piet it just happens that Telco is the first one in #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/UserCommittee#Working_Groups_and_Teams | 19:19 |
| shamail | That group chose to operate that way Piet | 19:19 |
| piet | Kk | 19:19 |
| emagana | but for instance I have the same question for Enterprise Working Group | 19:20 |
| shamail | enterprise does other activities outside of requirements definition | 19:20 |
| emagana | actually, only these two I would like to see them under the same PWG unbrella | 19:20 |
| shamail | emagana: they can't be rolled in because they also do success stories, booklets, ISV enablement, etc. These activities do not align with the PWG charter | 19:20 |
| emagana | umbrella* | 19:20 |
| shamail | Enterprise is the one I was speaking about | 19:20 |
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| emagana | PWG should do all that in my opinion | 19:21 |
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| shamail | We can discuss more but I think that would dilute the teams efficiency | 19:22 |
| emagana | why? | 19:22 |
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| emagana | I believe we have a lot of groups.. check out the attendance to this meeting. | 19:22 |
| emagana | It is hard to help and support all of them.. | 19:22 |
| shamail | EWG and PWG do have regular attendance (from different people)... There is some overlap in membership as well | 19:23 |
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| shamail | Can I send you an email on this topic? I have to drop off :( I'm at a conference | 19:24 |
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| piet | shamail which conference? | 19:24 |
| emagana | actually, you shamail and carol are the chairs for these teams, should be easy to merge them.. | 19:24 |
| emagana | shamail: Yes, please let's follow up over email. | 19:25 |
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| shamail | CloudFoundry Summit | 19:25 |
| emagana | nice! | 19:25 |
| shamail | Thanks emagana!! | 19:25 |
| shamail | See you later | 19:25 |
| piet | Are there app developers attending? | 19:25 |
| emagana | ok.. I think it will be hard to discuss one by one. | 19:25 |
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| emagana | #action emagana reach out all WGs and Teams chairs and discuss their activities | 19:26 |
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| emagana | I will ask jproulx and ShillaSaebi to help on this! | 19:27 |
| emagana | #topic Community “code of conduct” | 19:27 |
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| emagana | There were some question on: #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/user-committee/2016-May/000815.html | 19:28 |
| emagana | to update the CoC | 19:28 |
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| emagana | and it seems that the Diversity Working Group is working on that. So, we should be fine. | 19:29 |
| emagana | That's all I have in the agenda. Any other topic? | 19:30 |
| emagana | #topic Open Discussion | 19:30 |
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| piet | Newp | 19:30 |
| emagana | thanks all! | 19:30 |
| emagana | #endmeeting | 19:30 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon May 23 19:30:56 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:30 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/uc/2016/uc.2016-05-23-19.02.html | 19:30 |
| piet | Coolio | 19:30 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/uc/2016/uc.2016-05-23-19.02.txt | 19:31 |
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