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Mustella?09:52
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dhellmann#startmeeting releaseteam14:01
openstackMeeting started Fri May 27 14:01:44 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is dhellmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:01
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:01
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'releaseteam'14:01
dhellmanncourtesy ping: ttx, dims, lifeless, tonyb, stevemar, fungi14:01
dhellmannIf you would like for me to add you to the courtesy ping please say so14:01
dhellmannour agenda is at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-relmgt-tracking14:02
fungiheyhey14:02
dhellmannunder R-1914:02
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dhellmannhi, fungi!14:02
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ttxo/14:02
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dhellmannI'm going to go out of order to let fungi drop off if he wants after...14:02
dhellmann#topic automation update (fungi)14:02
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dhellmannI think our goal was to have the special nodes set up for N2, right?14:03
fungithe very brief update is that i'm setting aside a good chunk of today away from our server upgrades sprint to get the signing slave work implemented14:03
fungiyep14:03
dhellmanncool14:03
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fungiso i should have some progress to show for next meeting14:03
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dhellmannone small thing changed since the summit, in that now when we release a lib we also submit a patch to the requirements repo to update the constraints14:03
dhellmannI think you said these nodes would have all the gerrit credentials in place to do that?14:04
fungioh, cool, i know we'd discussed that as a possibility in the past14:04
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dhellmannthe current implementation introduces a bunch of merge conflicts, so I may redo it, we'll see, but at least now we don't need folks to remember to do it by hand14:04
fungiyeah, we'll need a gerrit account capable of pushing tags, so also pushing a change for constraints isn't a big deal14:04
dhellmannthat's what I figured, thanks for confirming14:04
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dhellmannI'm just using "git review" to submit it now, is that going to work in the gate, too?14:05
dhellmannsorry, in CI14:05
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fungiyep14:05
dhellmannperfect14:05
fungithat's actually what our current proposal jobs do anyway14:05
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dhellmannI hoped as much :-)14:05
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dhellmannok, is there anything you need from us?14:06
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funginot at present. i think i have a good chunk to hack on before i'm blocked on anything release-side14:06
dhellmannsounds good14:06
dhellmannmoving on then14:06
dhellmann#topic remaining tasks for N-114:06
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dhellmannwe have a short list with a bunch of notes14:06
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dhellmann#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-relmgt-plan14:07
ttxdid add some context there14:07
dhellmann#info (ttx/dhellmann) audit the projects like this for their release model tags14:07
ttxright so I went through the list and see14:07
dhellmannI was reading over the notes for this earlier today14:07
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ttxI think we should standardize for Horizon plugins and leave the rest undefined14:07
ttxfor the time being14:08
ttx3 options on how to handle the horizon stuff14:08
dhellmannyeah, that makes sense -- we have enough of them to suggest consistency14:08
dhellmannyou list 3 options there14:08
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dhellmannI like option 2 or 3, I think14:08
ttxthe first one is to skip defining type:horizon-plugin and encourage everything to be shipped within same deliverable14:09
ttxsince about a third already do that14:09
ttxBut that will likely be painful version-wise for little gain14:09
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dhellmannI agree14:09
ttxbetween 2 and 3 the question is... should we push for release model alignment at all ?14:09
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dhellmannwhat benefit does aligning give us?14:10
ttxI'm not sure we should push, but it seems valuable to point out the inconsistency and check if it's not an oversight14:10
dhellmannand why does aligning for a horizon plugin make more sense than for say a client lib?14:10
dhellmannsure, that makes sense14:10
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dhellmannso 3, with a nudge to align?14:10
ttxon a case-by-case basis14:10
dhellmannI guess that's 2 but with a soft touch14:11
ttxyeah, just a check that the model actually reflects what the people want14:11
dhellmannok14:11
ttxlow-prio for N214:11
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dhellmannyep14:11
ttxI can take both14:12
dhellmannok. I added them to https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-relmgt-plan14:13
ttxThat is all I think is necessary for Newton on that topic14:13
dhellmannline 113 and 11414:13
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dhellmann#info N1 TODO review projects with cycle-based models to ensure they are all set up for relmgt to manage their releases (dims)14:13
dhellmanndims, did you have a chance to look at this?14:13
dimshi dhellmann : nope. time slipped away this week. will bounce it to top of my heap for next week14:14
dhellmannok, sounds good14:14
dhellmann#info N1 TODO does merging stable tags into the master branch confuse reno?14:15
dhellmannI did not get to this.14:15
dhellmannI'm going to PyCon next week, so I'm unlikely to do it before the N1 date, but it'll be at the top of my N2 priority list14:15
dhellmann#info N1 TODO (ttx) write a spec proposing how locking stable/newton without changing ACLs might work14:15
dhellmannit sounds like that's in a similar situation14:15
ttxI'll post something early next week14:16
dhellmannwe have time, so I'm not worried14:16
ttxI may work on it today actually14:16
dhellmannok, good14:16
dhellmannthat covers our n1 tasks, and I think we're actually in pretty good shape -- we did most of the things we needed, and the things that are slipping aren't necessarily critical14:16
dhellmann#topic N1 schedule14:17
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dhellmannas I mentioned, I'll be at PyCon next week. I'm flying back Thursday, and should have wifi (cross your fingers) to help with tagging14:17
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dimsdhellmann : ack, i'll help process releases14:18
dhellmanngreat, thanks, dims14:18
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dhellmannMy goal for this milestone is to do as little as possible to advertise the deadline, aside from the weekly email and one more email next Wednesday. Then we'll see how the liaisons and PTLs do with filing their milestone tag request, for a milestone where missing doesn't matter too much.14:18
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dims:)14:19
dhellmanndoes that seem reasonable?14:19
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dhellmannis there anything else we need to line up before next thursday?14:19
ttxyes, we want to use that as a data point to send ultimatums to disconnected teams to get their act together or we'll consider removing them14:19
ttx(at TC level)14:19
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dhellmannif we're going to go that far, I should include that in the deadline email14:20
ttx(we'll use mitaka final as another data point, absence of meetings too etc)14:20
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ttxso it's not the only data point14:20
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ttxjust 'yet another sign'14:20
dhellmannso how about I say that missing N1 and N2 deadlines would be grounds for the release team to suggest that the tc consider removing the project?14:21
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dhellmannand that only applies to the release:cycle-with-milestone teams14:21
ttxif that was the release team suggesting it, sure... but it's just a data point amongst others that me and thingee expect to use to send warnings to a number of projects that are already in the red zone14:22
dhellmannor do we want to say that all teams need to be preparing releases for n1?14:22
ttxcommunications-wise14:22
ttxso I'm not sure a warning from the release team is necessary14:22
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dhellmannthe warning will come from elsewhere?14:23
ttxif missing n1 is the first issue we wouldn't send anything14:23
dhellmannok, so we'd warn around n214:23
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ttxdhellmann: It would come from the TC. we'll suggest a warning to a number of teams based on past issues14:23
dhellmannmakes sense -- let's see if we need to worry about warnings at all14:23
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dhellmannok, so just the normal email about the schedule for now14:24
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ttxthat's why we delayed those warnings to post-n114:24
ttxto have yet another data point14:24
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dhellmannwe should think about the non-milestone release models and what we expect from those teams, too14:24
dhellmannok, anything else for n1?14:25
ttxnope14:25
dhellmann#topic priority reviews14:25
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dhellmannI had a few here, but some merged14:25
dhellmannit looks like the django-openstack-auth release may be needed to unblock horizon https://review.openstack.org/#/c/322152/14:25
dhellmannbased on something I saw on the ML earlier today14:25
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dhellmannif they're ready for a release later today, we should probably consider it even though it's friday14:26
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ttx+114:26
dhellmannwill either of you be available for that? I'm flying today...14:26
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ttxI'll probably be off by the time that is ready14:27
ttxand at the very least unable to handle any fallout14:27
ttxso if it's just me safer to skip14:27
dhellmannok, if it's really late they can wait for monday anyway (or I'll do it Sunday since I expect to be online then)14:27
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dhellmannI'll check in over the weekend or monday morning14:28
dhellmannthat segues nicely into the next topic14:28
dhellmann#topic Spread out release days across team members14:28
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dhellmannttx, I think you added this one?14:28
ttxyeah, so I added that because I slack on releasing14:28
ttxI figured we could try to have a specific day where we handle stuff14:28
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dhellmannthat's definitely worth trying14:29
ttxthat way the others are mostly off-duty14:29
ttxWe have 3 days (Tue-Wed-Thu14:29
ttx)14:29
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ttxGiven my position on the globe I should probably not take Thursday14:29
ttxTuesdays are generally busy for me14:30
ttxbut I can certainly be on-├Ęcall on Wednesday14:30
ttxit's just a "barring anything else, I should be the one processing release requests on that day"14:30
dhellmannok, I can do Tuesday or Thursday14:30
dhellmannright14:31
ttxTuesday also happens to be the busiest day with backlog14:31
dhellmannI'll take Tuesday, since I do try to release some of the backlog on Mondays as well14:31
dhellmanndims, can you take the lead on Thursdays?14:31
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dimsdhellmann : sure, let's try14:32
dhellmanncool, thanks14:32
ttxThe idea is that unless specifically pinged (absences etc) you should be able to ignore releases requests on off-days14:32
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dimsi can definitely help with things late in the day any day of the week if things pile up14:32
ttxIf you can't do, it's your duty to pass the torch14:32
dhellmanndims : would you prefer to split tue/thu with me where I do mornings and you do afternoons?14:33
ttxRight, my day being generally earlier than others, I expect some releases requests to pile up on Wednesday evening too14:33
dimsdhellmann : just thu is fine14:33
dhellmannok, that's simpler14:33
dhellmannlet's give this a try for a couple of weeks and see how it goes14:33
dhellmanngood suggestion, ttx14:33
ttxdhellmann: that should improve our general reactivity I think14:33
ttxAnd also force me to do my share14:33
dhellmann:-)14:33
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ttxbecause currently I'm more like.. "someone will pick them up"14:34
dhellmannI won't publish a schedule for now, so we can see how it goes and adjust if needed14:34
ttxalways something else more urgent to do14:34
dims:)14:34
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dhellmannright14:34
dhellmannok, that's the end of our formal agenda14:34
dhellmann#topic open discussion14:34
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dhellmannis there anything else we need to cover this week?14:34
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ttxnope14:35
dhellmannheh, now that I've promised to do tuesdays, I'll be speaking next tues so may need someone to help cover14:35
ttxhaha14:35
dhellmannwe'll see -- I should be able to do some work while listening to other talks14:35
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dimslol14:35
dimsdhellmann : if you can do a +2 and ping me on the review, i can do the legwork14:36
dhellmannok, that sounds good14:36
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ttxdhellmann: we are still good on single-review for release approvals, right14:37
dhellmannttx: yeah, although I've been waiting for the stable team to review the stable releases14:37
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ttxok, noted14:37
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dhellmannI figure when we have the automation done, we'll give them +2 and then they can help out with stable releases, but there's no sense in getting them set up with the tooling in the mean time14:38
dhellmannthey have enough other work on their plates14:38
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dhellmanntonyb agreed with that general plan, I think14:38
dhellmannok, if there's nothing else we can call the meeting done early14:39
dhellmannI leave for the airport in about 2 hours, so I'll be in and out between now and then, but ping me if you need something14:40
dhellmannthanks!14:40
dhellmann#endmeeting14:40
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