Thursday, 2016-05-26

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pabelanger	thinrichs: no, I was doing some server maintenance and had to stop meetbot	00:02
pabelanger	I've started it back up	00:03
pabelanger	thinrichs: sure be good now	00:03
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thinrichs	pabelanger: ok. thanks.	00:04
thinrichs	My agenda this week is just to go over status updates.	00:04
thinrichs	masahito: want to go first?	00:04
pabelanger	thinrichs: you'll need to reissue startmeeting	00:04
thinrichs	#startmeeting CongressTeamMeeting	00:05
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thinrichs	Agenda for the week is to go over status updates.	00:05
thinrichs	masahito: want to start?	00:05
masahito	sure	00:05
masahito	I pushed a new tempest test for push type driver this week.	00:06
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masahito	and for dse2, I'm working to remove self.running defined in deepsix	00:07
masahito	that's from my side.	00:08
thinrichs	Looks like the tempest test is failing devstack tests in an odd way.	00:08
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thinrichs	Any idea why?	00:08
thinrichs	#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/319173/	00:08
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thinrichs	Hmmm…I remember seeing the db_sync test failing in another review recently	00:09
ekcs	I've been looking at it too, but I don't know.	00:09
ramineni_	thinrichs: ya, its failing in my patch also	00:09
ramineni_	same error	00:10
thinrichs	Have we broken sync somehow?	00:10
ekcs	Last time I saw the same failure, it passed on recheck.	00:10
ekcs	Seems to be non-deterministic somehow. because it passes in jenkins check and then immediately after fails in jenkins gate.	00:11
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ramineni_	thinrichs: hmm , relica congress service fails to start here	00:11
ramineni_	replica**	00:12
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thinrichs	ramineni_: did you find that in the logs/screen-congress.txt.gz file or somewhere else?	00:13
thinrichs	http://logs.openstack.org/73/319173/6/gate/gate-congress-dsvm-api/63e2b50/logs/screen-congress.txt.gz	00:13
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thinrichs	BTW just noticed an error when polling keystone:	00:13
thinrichs	#link http://logs.openstack.org/73/319173/6/gate/gate-congress-dsvm-api/63e2b50/logs/screen-congress.txt.gz#_2016-05-25_23_39_34_555	00:13
ramineni_	thinrichs: i reproduced in my env and relica service itself fails to start saying DatasourceNameInUSe error ,	00:14
ramineni_	thinrichs: i could investigate more yesterday, ill try to debug today	00:14
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ramineni_	culdn´t *	00:15
thinrichs	ramineni_: that sounds like a race condition bug to me. More investigation is definitely worthwhile.	00:15
ramineni_	thinrichs: ya, will check today	00:15
masahito	thinrichs: yes. I'll check it, too.	00:15
thinrichs	ramineni_, masahito: great!	00:15
thinrichs	masahito: is self.running just unnecessary and needs to be removed, or is it causing problems?	00:16
masahito	I found one problem.	00:16
masahito	datasource service starts before DseNode starts the service	00:17
masahito	because old deepsix uses self.running but new dataservice uses self._running to manage its status.	00:18
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thinrichs	got it. Thanks.	00:19
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thinrichs	ramineni_: want to give a status update?	00:19
ramineni_	thinrichs: ok	00:19
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ramineni_	thinrichs: Migration of test-congress got merged this week. I tried to test congress with backend driver rabbit, it worked without any issue	00:20
ramineni_	thinrichs: so raised a patch to make it cnfigurable	00:20
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ramineni_	thinrichs: but the HA tests are failing irrespective of the driver	00:21
thinrichs	ramineni_: cool that we're working with rabbit!	00:21
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thinrichs	ramineni_: which HA tests are failing? The ones that test the synchronizer?	00:21
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ramineni_	thinrichs: yes	00:21
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ramineni_	thinrichs: and also, we need to migrate synchronizer	00:22
ramineni_	to dse2	00:22
ramineni_	thinrichs: i think its not done	00:22
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thinrichs	I wouldn't be surprised if the synchronizer were broken	00:23
thinrichs	I don't think anyone dug into making sure it was working.	00:23
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ramineni_	thinrichs: so raised a bug to track it	00:23
thinrichs	In fact, we may need to rework it since there's no longer a datasource manager.	00:23
ramineni_	thinrichs: yes	00:23
thinrichs	ramineni_: makes sense to have a bug	00:23
thinrichs	ramineni_: anything else?	00:24
ramineni_	thinrichs: no, done from my side	00:24
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thinrichs	ekcs: you're up	00:25
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thinrichs	Maybe he stepped away for a moment.	00:27
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thinrichs	I've just pushed the Upgrade instructions to the readme.	00:27
ekcs	Sorry something went wrong with my client =(	00:28
thinrichs	We had someone ask for them, and I couldn't find the instructions elsewhere.	00:28
ekcs	had to restarte	00:28
thinrichs	Did I miss them?	00:28
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thinrichs	ekcs: no problem. I'm just mentioning the Upgrade instruction patch.	00:28
ekcs	I'd never seen them.	00:29
thinrichs	I think the only thing we need to do really is run the DB schema migration scripts	00:29
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ekcs	anyway my status update.	00:31
ekcs	I revamped the HA spec, incorporating ideas in comments and proposing a simpler way to do replicated deployment (symmetric nodes with driver deactivation). #link: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/318383/ Also continuing to read up on Pacemaker and HAProxy to understand the details. And still trying to get connected with someone at my organization who can lend me his Pacemaker experience and expertise.	00:31
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ekcs	It's a whole complicated mess when you get down to the nitty gritty =o	00:32
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thinrichs	ekcs: I failed to get you comments—my apologies. I'll do it this week.	00:32
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ekcs	that's all from me.	00:33
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thinrichs	HA isn't easy. That's part of why we wanted to make progress on the DSE2 so that we had a more concrete feel for how it would work.	00:34
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thinrichs	Another round or two of comments on the spec before next week then.	00:35
thinrichs	That's it from me too.	00:35
thinrichs	#topic open discussion	00:35
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thinrichs	Anything else to discuss this week?	00:35
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thinrichs	Let's finish up early then.	00:37
thinrichs	Thanks all!	00:37
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thinrichs	#endmeeting	00:37
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masahito	bye	00:39
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oomichi	#startmeeting qa	17:00
openstack	Meeting started Thu May 26 17:00:20 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is oomichi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.	17:00
openstack	Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.	17:00
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: qa)"		17:00
openstack	The meeting name has been set to 'qa'	17:00
hogepodge	o/	17:00
oomichi	hi	17:00
dmellado	hi \o	17:00
jordanP	hi	17:00
fnaval	o/	17:00
mtreinish	o/	17:00
oomichi	who's here today?	17:00
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oomichi	ah, so fast "hi" from many people :-)	17:01
jordanP	hehe	17:01
oomichi	#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Agenda_for_May_26th_2016_.281700_UTC.29	17:01
oomichi	^^^ today agenda	17:01
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oomichi	ok, lets start the meeting	17:01
oomichi	#topic Specs Reviews	17:02
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andreaf	o/	17:02
oomichi	#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/qa-specs,n,z	17:02
oomichi	so there are specs which contain red mark	17:02
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oomichi	meaning -1	17:02
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oomichi	does anyone want to discuss an open spec review?	17:03
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vishnoianil	#info vishnoianil	17:03
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mtreinish	oomichi: I think probably should abandon specs > 1yr old	17:03
oomichi	I will update tempest-resource spec later anyways	17:03
mtreinish	if they have a -1	17:03
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mtreinish	or a -2	17:03
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oomichi	mtreinish: +1 for doing that as cleanup	17:03
mtreinish	looking at the list about 1/2 look very stale	17:04
dmellado	oomichi: yes, there are some from 2014	17:04
oomichi	at least 2 years ago	17:04
mtreinish	dmellado: heh	17:04
jordanP	yep abandoning those would be great	17:04
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oomichi	ok, I will do that later with some comments	17:04
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oomichi	#action oomichi will drop very old specs which not updated 1 years	17:04
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* dmellado is guilty of one, but can't abandon it due to gerrit issues, though		17:05
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oomichi	are there any discussion here?	17:05
mtreinish	I -1'd https://review.openstack.org/#/c/314704/ this morning mostly because I think it's too soon to adopt that project	17:05
mtreinish	but getting other opinions on that would be good too	17:06
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oomichi	mtreinish: are you owner of this spec now?	17:07
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mtreinish	oomichi: no, I just rebased it after I reorganized the dir structure a little	17:07
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oomichi	mtreinish: this test seems useful for deployers, but it seems different from the gate(devstack)	17:08
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jordanP	yep I kinda agree. Not because it's too soon but because it's not typical enough, imo. Most OS clouds run with "default" policy and it could add complexity to support those use cases. And they have the option of running tempest with users that have the permitted/expected permissions	17:08
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mtreinish	oomichi: right it's an extra project for testing custom policy configurations in real deployments	17:09
oomichi	mtreinish: we are using default policy	17:09
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jordanP	yeah, it feels like it doesn't really belong to tempest	17:09
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mtreinish	jordanP: it's not for tempest, he's asking it be adopted as a seperate qa project	17:09
jordanP	ahh by bad	17:09
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oomichi	mtreinish: interesting :-)	17:10
oomichi	mtreinish: will you use tempest from the separated project like refstack?	17:10
mtreinish	oomichi: no, it's a tempest plugin	17:10
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dmellado	mtreinish: but from the gate perspective, would this make sense?	17:10
oomichi	mtreinish: ah, I see	17:10
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dmellado	I mean, would you change the default policy there?	17:11
mtreinish	dmellado: no, not at all. We test with the defaults in the gate I don't expect that to change. This would just be an extra thing for people who want to test their custom things	17:11
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dmellado	got it	17:11
oomichi	mtreinish: that means testers need to pass their own policy to the test project before testing?	17:12
mtreinish	dmellado: although for this projects own gate testing, maybe it would do some weird custom setups :)	17:12
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oomichi	mtreinish: oh, that would be huge custom setup	17:13
dmellado	;)	17:13
dmellado	that'd be interesting to see	17:13
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mtreinish	oomichi: no, see: https://github.com/rlrossiter/cinnamon-role/blob/master/README.md#how-to-use it uses a modified preprov creds to indicate what creds to use on which tests	17:13
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oomichi	mtreinish: that seems testers need to write the test code?	17:15
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oomichi	I am seeing the sample code	17:15
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mtreinish	oomichi: you can write your own test code, or reuse existing tests	17:16
oomichi	mtreinish: the existing tests	17:16
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fnaval	this is interesting as it can be used with role based access type tests	17:17
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oomichi	mtreinish: yeah, nice to reuse tempest tests with small costom code	17:17
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mtreinish	personally I think this is a useful util, because custom policy is something I've hit on every production cloud I've encountered so I'm sure they'd like a simple mechanism to test it works	17:17
oomichi	mtreinish: yeah, I agree. policy tends to be customized on each cloud	17:18
oomichi	then original tempest is difficult to be passed on the default	17:19
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oomichi	that is a nice project for them	17:19
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oomichi	are there any topics about specs?	17:20
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oomichi	lets move to the next topic	17:20
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hogepodge	mtreinish: oomichi: trying to wrap my head around that topic from an interop perspective	17:20
hogepodge	will think about it and comment later	17:20
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mtreinish	hogepodge: oh custom policy is the worst for interop	17:20
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mtreinish	hogepodge: it makes it next to impossible (you can just plain turn apis off)	17:21
oomichi	#topic Tempest	17:21
mtreinish	but it's something that exists and people use it	17:21
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mtreinish	and this plugin wouldn't be something you could use for defcore anyway	17:21
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oomichi	yeah, it will be a nice project for interop	17:21
hogepodge	mtreinish: yup, my opinion is if you modify default policy you aren't openstack any more	17:21
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jordanP	that's bold	17:22
hogepodge	(From a trademark and interop perspective... but let's move on)	17:22
oomichi	there are many dev items as the agenda	17:22
oomichi	#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Agenda_for_May_26th_2016_.281700_UTC.29	17:23
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oomichi	Id like to check the status	17:23
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oomichi	andreaf: the doc cleanpup is already done?	17:23
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oomichi	tempest cli seems good progress	17:24
andreaf	oomichi: i've done a couple of patches but there's more to be done possibly	17:24
oomichi	andreaf: ok, I got it. thanks for doing that	17:24
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oomichi	dmellado: how about test class hierarchy?	17:24
mtreinish	oomichi: things on the cli are moving:	17:24
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mtreinish	#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/tempest-run-cmd	17:25
mtreinish	that starts the basics of the run command	17:25
mtreinish	it'll be expanded from there	17:25
dmellado	oomichi: we drafted a list of helpers to decide upon	17:25
dmellado	https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Y241ELbiM0djdFeII8mAiL8ZEQZwpBQlsV_2xbJUMMQ/edit?pref=2&pli=1#gid=0	17:25
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dmellado	and there's a patch around	17:25
oomichi	mtreinish: yeah, good progress	17:25
mtreinish	although those patches are blocked on me pushing an os-testr release (which I'm gonna do today)	17:25
dmellado	https://review.openstack.org/#/c/320495/2	17:25
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dmellado	but I haven't had time to do upstream due to internal work, almost since Austin, so I'd love to get some more folks on this	17:25
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mtreinish	dmellado: you probably can pull horizon off that list, david-lyle has been working on ripping that out into a plugin	17:26
oomichi	dmellado: thank you also	17:26
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oomichi	dmellado: we need more patch for removing neutron wrappers?	17:26
dmellado	oomichi: I was thinking about maybe some of the Intel folks to help	17:26
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dmellado	oomichi: will check the list and update it, will ping you about that	17:26
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oomichi	dmellado: cool :-)	17:27
dmellado	mtreinish: thanks for the info	17:27
andreaf	oomichi: OO wrappers are a separate topic, there is a patch WIP on that #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/320495/	17:27
mtreinish	dmellado: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/tempest-horizon/	17:27
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dmellado	mtreinish: ack, I'll pull them off ;)	17:27
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andreaf	dmellado, mtreinish: done	17:28
dmellado	about the tempest plugins too, should we try to enforce the projects to move them to split repos?	17:28
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dmellado	I see a ton of benefits from that	17:29
dmellado	but this was offtopic in here, so sorry ;)	17:29
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oomichi	dmellado: yeah, that is a nice recommendation for using it as branchless	17:29
dmellado	oomichi: exactly	17:29
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dmellado	if we tie tempest tests to a branched project, they wouldn't be branchless anymore	17:29
mtreinish	dmellado: we already strongly recommend it. We're not really in a position to force it	17:29
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mtreinish	the way the plugin interface is constructed there really isn't a mechanism to enforce only seperate repos	17:30
oomichi	mtreinish: yeah, right. they can implement the own tests as they like	17:30
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jordanP	we should enforce separate repos imo	17:31
jordanP	*shouldnt	17:31
dmellado	mtreinish: I'm aware on that we can't enforce it, as of now,and I was wondering if there's any kind of track	17:31
dmellado	about the number of in-tree vs repo plugin projects	17:31
dmellado	jordanP: in any case it's not like if we can ;)	17:32
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jordanP	yeh	17:32
andreaf	dmellado: in tree is the vast majority atm	17:32
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dmellado	andreaf: ack, thanks!	17:33
mtreinish	dmellado: http://codesearch.openstack.org/?q=tempest.test_plugins&i=nope&files=setup.cfg&repos=	17:33
mtreinish	that's every tempest plugin in openstack projects	17:33
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mtreinish	there are tempest plugins outside of openstack too	17:34
oomichi	(sorry, my pc was freezed just before..)	17:34
fnaval	i'm currently have an open review for a tempest plugin as well for neutron-lbaas	17:34
dmellado	mtreinish: interesting, but I'm fine with that data, thanks too!	17:34
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andreaf	mtreinish: I've seen that code search before	17:34
hogepodge	mtreinish: well, that list includes every plugin but isn't all plugins? I don't think defcore has actually written one :-D	17:35
dmellado	fnaval: out of curiosity, did you get ping on that by acruz?	17:35
fnaval	dmellado: it was by a few folks from that channel	17:35
dmellado	fnaval: would you mind putting the link on the commit?	17:35
hogepodge	(oh nevermind, it's just in the search list) sry	17:35
mtreinish	hogepodge: it shows every project on gerrit that has a plugin merged	17:36
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fnaval	amuller and emeilino i think: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/321087/	17:36
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oomichi	fnaval: are you working for cleaning neutron-lbaas now?	17:36
fnaval	i still have to make modifications on post_test_hook.sh	17:36
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oomichi	fnaval: I guess the project has a lot of duplicated code from tempest	17:36
fnaval	oomichi: i'm working on neutron-lbaas testing efforts mostly	17:37
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fnaval	oomichi: oh, that was cleaned up awhile back	17:37
oomichi	fnaval: great :)	17:37
fnaval	with the tempest to tempest-lib back to tempest thing	17:37
fnaval	=)	17:37
fnaval	i became quite well versed with tempest after that ordeal	17:37
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fnaval	not sure if we're following the list on the meeting wiki: but I wanted to bring up the name filitering with auth feature	17:38
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dmellado	fnaval: let me know if I can help you on that	17:38
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fnaval	dmellado: the setting up the tempestplugin? sure, i'll take note	17:38
oomichi	fnaval: yeah, please go ahead	17:39
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oomichi	fnaval: maybe this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/284273	17:39
fnaval	so, i've made significant progress with it and thanks for everyone's comment	17:39
fnaval	im unsure of the protocol of picking up tasks so I basically want to make sure that it is a feature that is wanted in tempest	17:39
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fnaval	i fear that it might not get in because it wasn't 'approved' by the cores or ptls	17:40
fnaval	i'm still getting used to the process so please forgive any errors that I may make along the way	17:40
oomichi	hogepodge: are you done about interopthing on the agenda today?	17:40
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fnaval	#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/284273	17:41
fnaval	so it should be ready for review ^^	17:41
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hogepodge	oomichi: just refactoring or moving the tests in that list I dropped in the agenda	17:41
mtreinish	fnaval: I think it's probably a valid patch, it's just going through the review process can take some time	17:41
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fnaval	also not sure if i should have brought it up in this section of the meeting or under the critical reviews part	17:41
mtreinish	fnaval: I -1'd that this morning there is a backwards incompat change	17:41
hogepodge	that require admin access. So they need to move, or be refactored where possible to not require admin. I hope to push the initial patches soon	17:42
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fnaval	mtreinish: cool - i'll take a look and ping you if I have any issues	17:42
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mtreinish	hogepodge: ok cool, I'll keep an eye out for it	17:44
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mtreinish	ok, oomichi is having network issues. I think we should move on	17:44
jordanP	yes, 15min left :)	17:44
mtreinish	although I don't think anyone can change topics but chair	17:44
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mtreinish	#topic Devstack + Grenade	17:44
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mtreinish	well does anyone have anything to talk about devstack or grenade this week?	17:45
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mtreinish	(even if the topic didn't update)	17:45
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mtreinish	ok. I'll take that as a no	17:46
mtreinish	then let's move on to the next topic	17:46
mtreinish	#topic OpenStack-Health	17:46
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* oomichi back from networking issue.. :-(		17:47
mtreinish	the only update I have on this for today is we're now also polling elasticsearch	17:47
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mtreinish	it uses elastic-recheck to search for known bugs on failed runs and report that on the ui	17:47
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mtreinish	the only place doing that is the table on the home page right now	17:47
mtreinish	but it'll be expanded in the future	17:47
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mtreinish	that was all I had on openstack-health	17:48
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mtreinish	is there anything else on this topic?	17:48
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mtreinish	ok, let's move on then	17:50
mtreinish	#topic Critical Reviews	17:50
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mtreinish	oomichi: ^^^ you need to do that to make it official, since you're the only chair	17:50
jordanP	not a critical review but a general reminder about review process: we should be hard/though on code duplication. If someone tries to add a new utility method like _delete_volume or _create_volume_type, chances are that they are reinvinting the wheel	17:50
mtreinish	does anyone have any reviews they'd like to get extra eyes on?	17:51
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oomichi	#topic Critical Reviews	17:51
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mtreinish	jordanP: yeah, has there been more proliferation of that kinda thing?	17:51
* oomichi back again..		17:51
andreaf	#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226297/	17:51
jordanP	I can't really say but it's bugs me a lot when I see those kind of things	17:51
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fnaval	#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/284273	17:52
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jordanP	it usualy never pass but we have to stay alert	17:52
jordanP	fnaval, what about it ?	17:52
jordanP	mtreinish, left a valid comment imo	17:53
fnaval	although it has a -1 at the moment, any other comments would be great	17:53
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andreaf	jordanP: yes this goes along the effort of refactoring and consolidating all the helpers around in scenario as well	17:53
jordanP	I don"t like it because I like to group args together, but he's right	17:53
fnaval	something that mtreinish may not have picked up	17:53
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oomichi	jordanP: yeah, and sometime this kind of thing tend to become the same as corresponding project implementation	17:54
dmellado	jordanP: +1 about that and that's something we'll try to tackle at the refactor too	17:54
oomichi	then tempest code is different between projects tests	17:54
oomichi	sometimes	17:54
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fnaval	jordanP: I don't disagree on it; but it's something that I don't fully understand and need to find out why	17:55
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jordanP	it's python, kwargs can also be filed "positionnaly"	17:56
jordanP	(sorry it's hard to explain)	17:56
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fnaval	ah ok. if the kwargs being passed in are positional vs keyword.	17:57
fnaval	then it breaks.	17:57
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jordanP	yeah, have a look at this code:	17:58
jordanP	In [1]: def a(b,c):	17:58
jordanP	...: print b,c	17:58
jordanP	...:	17:58
jordanP	In [2]: a(c=1, b=2)	17:58
jordanP	2 1	17:58
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oomichi	jordanP: nice explanation :-)	17:58
jordanP	(though it's not exactly related to your patch but informative too)	17:58
andreaf	oomichi: I had one last topic on the agenda that we did not cover, but it's a bit late, maybe next week - about name for service client methods	17:58
oomichi	yeah, nice to talk about it after the meeting	17:59
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oomichi	sorry for my today leading	17:59
oomichi	the time comes	17:59
fnaval	but doesn't the **kwargs expect the params being passed in to be a dict? and that order doesn't matter?	17:59
fnaval	jordanP: in your code snippet, I still see that as valid	18:00
oomichi	please talk remaining on qa channel if we have	18:00
oomichi	#endmeeting	18:00
*** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings \|\| https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings"		18:00
openstack	Meeting ended Thu May 26 18:00:21 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)	18:00
openstack	Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2016/qa.2016-05-26-17.00.html	18:00
openstack	Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2016/qa.2016-05-26-17.00.txt	18:00
fnaval	thanks	18:00
openstack	Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2016/qa.2016-05-26-17.00.log.html	18:00
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rtheis	osc meeting time...	19:00
rtheis	dtroyer_zz: did you survive the storm?	19:00
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rtheis	anyone here for osc meeting?	19:02
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rtheis	osc meeting going once ...	19:04
rtheis	osc meeting going twice ...	19:05
dtroyer_zz	I'm apparently in-n-out	19:05
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dtroyer_zz	let's cancel, I'm not on a reliable connection	19:05
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rtheis	dtroyer_zz: sounds good	19:05
rtheis	stay safe and hope you have a nice weekend	19:06
dtroyer_zz	you too	19:06
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dansmith	#startmeeting nova	20:59
openstack	Meeting started Thu May 26 20:59:57 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is dansmith. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.	20:59
openstack	Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.	20:59
*** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: nova)"		21:00
openstack	The meeting name has been set to 'nova'	21:00
rlrossit	o/	21:00
melwitt	o/	21:00
dansmith	I am religiously opposed to the pre-ping, so I'm not doing it	21:00
takashin	o/	21:00
bauzas	\o	21:00
jroll	\o	21:00
gagehugo	/o/	21:00
edleafe	\o	21:00
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* edleafe admires dansmith's convictions		21:00
dansmith	seven people isn't even quorum, right? guess we have to cancel?	21:01
alaski	o/	21:01
bauzas	heh	21:01
doffm	./	21:01
dansmith	#topic Release News	21:01
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woodster_	o/	21:01
auggy	o/	21:01
scottda	hi	21:01
dansmith	#link Newton release schedule: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Newton_Release_Schedule	21:01
dansmith	#info June 2: newton-1, non-priority spec approval freeze	21:01
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dansmith	anyone have anything here?	21:01
dansmith	obviously the upcoming deadline should be on everyone's minds	21:02
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dansmith	I've been trying to do mostly reviews this week including specs	21:02
dansmith	which has me in a great mood	21:02
bauzas	++	21:02
dansmith	(sarcasm)	21:02
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dansmith	moving on in 10 seconds	21:02
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* auggy just always assume dansmith == sarcasm		21:02
dansmith	#topic Bugs	21:02
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dansmith	bugs, we have 'em	21:03
dansmith	the gate has been pretty good recently I think	21:03
tonyb	the EU/APC bugs meeting moved ....	21:03
dansmith	#link check queue gate status http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/index.html	21:03
dansmith	tonyb: oh? to when or where?	21:03
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bauzas	2 hours earlier AFAIR	21:03
bauzas	like 0700UTC	21:04
bauzas	tonyb: correct?	21:04
tonyb	2 hours earlier	21:04
tonyb	#link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#Nova_Bugs_Team_Meeting	21:04
dansmith	#info EU/APAC bugs meeting moved -2 hours	21:04
dansmith	cool, thanks	21:04
bauzas	well, 0700UTC is not really EU-friendly, but whatever... :)	21:04
dansmith	#link http://ci-watch.tintri.com/project?project=nova&time=7+days	21:05
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dansmith	I think xenserver CI is back on track, right?	21:05
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bauzas	I saw some thread about the Intel CI	21:05
dansmith	also of note for this section is that DB2 CI went away sometime in the past, intentionally, and isn't coming back	21:05
tonyb	bauzas: 0800, but yeah 1000 was better	21:05
dansmith	we celebrated with a removal of all the super annoying DB2isms from the migrations	21:05
tonyb	celebrated is that code?	21:06
jroll	\o/	21:06
dansmith	anything else here? any critical bugs to highlight?	21:06
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auggy	i just had another item, markus_z mentioned he'd be expiring old open bug reports, details in this ML post - http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/095654.html	21:06
dansmith	ah yes, thanks	21:06
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dansmith	#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/095654.html	21:07
bauzas	very old bugs :)	21:07
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auggy	Automatic closing of 185 bug reports which are older than 18 months in the week R-13	21:07
bauzas	18 months is just prehistory	21:07
dansmith	people on twitter informed me that we're bad for doing this, but the rest of the people that do actual work all agreed this was a good plan	21:07
bauzas	ranting on twitter is just not a fair game	21:08
dansmith	anything else on bugs?	21:08
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tonyb	I think we're bad but it's the least terrible option	21:08
dansmith	heh	21:08
tonyb	just so dan can include IRC in the list of bad places ;P	21:08
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dansmith	#topic Reminders	21:09
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dansmith	#link Newton review focus list: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-priorities-tracking	21:09
dansmith	if you're not looking at that to know what to review, you should be	21:09
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dansmith	if you're not updating it for your subteam, then you can't complain	21:09
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dansmith	#info We have 59 approved blueprints: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/newton - 6 are completed, 5 have not started, 3 are blocked	21:09
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* dansmith giggles at 59 approved		21:10
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dansmith	and, final reminder:	21:10
dansmith	#help https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/BugTriage#Weekly_bug_skimming_duty Volunteers for 1 week of bug skimming duty?	21:10
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dansmith	looks like there were a couple people for this week	21:11
dansmith	next week needs some non-US not-holiday-having people to sign up	21:11
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dansmith	if you're interested in helping, put your name on that list.. no license or proof of insurance required	21:11
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auggy	also if you have questions on what it entails, feel free to ask me or markus_z	21:12
dansmith	any other reminders?	21:12
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dansmith	alrighty then	21:12
dansmith	#topic Stable branch status	21:12
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dansmith	#link Stable branch status: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/stable-tracker	21:12
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dansmith	just before the meeting I looked at the two open stale branch bug lists:	21:13
dansmith	#link stable/mitaka: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/mitaka,n,z	21:13
dansmith	#link stable/liberty: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova+branch:stable/liberty,n,z	21:13
dansmith	nothing looked too badly on fire there	21:13
tonyb	heeh 'stale' ;P	21:13
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dansmith	anyone need to highlight something?	21:13
dansmith	tonyb: heh, oops, but not really :D	21:13
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auggy	trumpian slip	21:14
dansmith	tonyb: certainly you have something important and profound to say about stable things?	21:14
tonyb	dansmith: Umm yeah ;P	21:14
dansmith	my, how profound!	21:14
* dansmith contemplates deeply		21:14
tonyb	just the normal ... the queue is a little long but I'll start on that today	21:14
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tonyb	more reviews is good	21:15
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tonyb	the gate is fine	21:15
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dansmith	woot	21:15
tonyb	kilo is dying but not dead	21:15
* dansmith hands tonyb some heavier artillery to finish it off		21:15
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tonyb	:)	21:15
dansmith	#topic Subteam Highlights	21:15
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bauzas	people always love to loose kilo(s)	21:15
dansmith	alaski: say things	21:15
tonyb	bauzas: boom tish	21:15
alaski	melwitt is helping to push on devstack changes around transport_url	21:16
bauzas	:D	21:16
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alaski	which will help with our migration commands to cellsv2	21:16
bauzas	tonyb: too hard for people using imperial metrics, I guess	21:16
alaski	we discussed a potential race condition, and then found a solution	21:16
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alaski	tons of stuff to review	21:16
alaski	fin	21:16
dansmith	nice	21:16
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dansmith	edleafe: say fewer things	21:16
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edleafe	dansmith: ...	21:17
dansmith	perfect	21:17
bauzas	ROFL	21:17
dansmith	edleafe: anything to actually report on scheduler?	21:17
edleafe	still some conflict over fixed vs dynamic resource classes, etc	21:18
jroll	this took longer than laski, gw dansmith	21:18
dansmith	jroll: heh	21:18
edleafe	maybe some more eyes on https://review.openstack.org/312696	21:19
edleafe	^^ dynamic resource class spec	21:19
dansmith	yeah, I need to look at that and rain some hate	21:19
jroll	++ for d-r-c	21:20
* jroll kinda needs that		21:20
dansmith	edleafe: anything else? you're holding up the schedule	21:20
* dansmith cracks himself up		21:20
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jroll	lol	21:21
edleafe	I thought this was async	21:21
edleafe	nah, that's it	21:21
dansmith	okay cool	21:21
dansmith	I'm guessing PaulMurray isn't around	21:21
dansmith	anyone want to say things about live migration?	21:21
dansmith	I know that a bunch of storage pool stuff is getting worked out right now,	21:21
dansmith	we've landed a good number of cleanups, the spec is under review, and folks are stacking up refactor patches like nobody's business	21:22
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dansmith	okay then	21:22
dansmith	I think sdague is EOD.. alex_xu are you around to say things about API?	21:23
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auggy	or oomichi ?	21:23
dansmith	auggy: I'm a meeting agenda literalist	21:23
auggy	didn't mean to rain on your parade ;)	21:23
bauzas	I guess they were still targeting at the api-ref changes	21:24
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dansmith	moshele isn't around to talk about sriov things, so we'll skip that	21:24
dansmith	bauzas: yep, and I know oomichi has the patch up to remove 2.0, discussion about timing to follow	21:24
dansmith	gibi: notifications? anything?	21:24
bauzas	dansmith: orly? I'd so happy to use my axe	21:25
bauzas	(for the v2.0 removal patch)	21:25
dansmith	bauzas: yeah	21:25
dansmith	okay, well, let's move on.. this is taking way too long	21:25
dansmith	#topic Stuck Reviews	21:25
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rlrossit	dansmith: :(	21:25
dansmith	#undo	21:25
bauzas	FWIW, impressive progress on api-ref http://burndown.dague.org/	21:25
openstack	Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Topic object at 0xb3bbd50>	21:25
dansmith	rlrossit: more things to say?	21:25
rlrossit	both specs in 1 nova, 1 oslo	21:25
rlrossit	syjulian working on oslo schema generation	21:26
rlrossit	gibi working on most of the transformation work	21:26
* rlrossit is done		21:26
dansmith	okay cool, thanks	21:26
dansmith	#topic Stuck Reviews	21:26
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dansmith	There are none listed on the wiki	21:26
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dansmith	also, I personally surveyed every open nova review before the meeting and have deemed none to be stuck	21:26
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dansmith	#topic Open Discussion	21:27
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jroll	ohai, I have a thing	21:27
dansmith	jroll: ironic serial console... did you see someone from NEC put up a spec for this?	21:27
dansmith	I added you to it earlier today	21:27
jroll	dansmith: yes, there's a spec, I don't think we need a spec	21:27
dansmith	the spec is pretty detail-free so having no spec is mostly equivalent to me	21:27
dansmith	cool	21:28
jroll	dansmith: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/319507/ right?	21:28
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dansmith	jroll: you're just trolling for approval?	21:28
jroll	well, johnthetubaguy said the next step is add to agenda	21:28
dansmith	jroll: that's the one	21:28
jroll	so I did	21:28
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jroll	approval would be cool, should be pretty trivial code	21:28
dansmith	alaski: you're the only other approver here.. you cool with that? if so I'll stamp	21:28
alaski	yes, I'm good	21:28
jroll	ironic start-console $node_id; return (host, port)	21:29
jroll	<3	21:29
jroll	thanks y'all	21:29
yuikotakadamori_	jroll, that's right, thank you	21:29
dansmith	cool	21:29
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dansmith	alaski: you had a thing	21:29
alaski	yes, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/320416	21:29
alaski	this ties into the live-migrate refactor that was discussed at the summit	21:29
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alaski	but it would change the error returns from the API	21:30
dansmith	okay I'm thinking maybe sdague and PaulMurray as reviewers here, but neither are around	21:30
alaski	as in, it would no longer check preconditions on computes before returning a response	21:30
alaski	yes, they would be good to get input from	21:30
alaski	I mostly want to get consensus on supporting two paths, or just changing the error conditions	21:31
alaski	and I'd rather not support two paths	21:31
dansmith	yeah	21:31
alaski	anyone with interest please comment on the review	21:31
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dansmith	and it should mostly be admin-facing api at this point, so.. probably not a huge deal	21:32
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dansmith	I hate to keep using that excuse, but..	21:32
alaski	yes	21:32
alaski	and errors would surface via instance-actions	21:32
alaski	so they're not invisible	21:32
bauzas	alaski: that's not what I understand when reading the spec or I'm wrong	21:32
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alaski	bauzas: it changes the two calls into compute nodes to be casts	21:32
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dansmith	alaski: so, that does mean you're not guaranteed that a migration has been started when you return from the call	21:33
dansmith	which might make some HA people twitchy	21:33
dansmith	you should be able to monitor that it started through other mechanisms, but...	21:34
bauzas	alaski: oh, I see, what he calls 'blocking' is the call from conductor to compute, not API to conductor	21:34
alaski	bauzas: yes	21:34
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alaski	dansmith: I'd have to look, but we may not make that guarantee today either	21:34
dansmith	ah, okay, based on above	21:34
dansmith	okay cool	21:34
bauzas	I think we're already async on the API side	21:34
alaski	it's the prechecks that block	21:34
bauzas	that's just the conductor blocking for a while because of the compute limbo callds	21:35
dansmith	okay, so anyway, comments requested on the review.. anything else we should discuss here/	21:35
auggy	i have one quick thing	21:35
dansmith	auggy: I mean about this	21:35
alaski	nope, just wanted awareness since it ties into something we agreed to do.	21:35
auggy	oh sorry	21:35
dansmith	auggy: we have one more thing on the list before we move on	21:35
alaski	and it's sort of a large change	21:35
* alaski sits down		21:35
dansmith	takashin: you have a re-approval spec you want	21:35
takashin	#link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/add-swap-volume-notifications	21:35
dansmith	takashin: that is a link to the blueprint, do you have a spec too?	21:35
takashin	It was approved for Mitaka. I would like to make it be approved for Newton.	21:36
takashin	Yes.	21:36
takashin	Sorry.No.	21:36
dansmith	takashin: okay I don't see one	21:36
dansmith	okay	21:36
dansmith	I guess it was specless?	21:36
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takashin	Yes.It was specless.	21:37
dansmith	alaski: I don't think I've seen this before or know anything about it, but it's just adding a few notifications, so I guess we're good?	21:37
alaski	yeah, seems totally non contentious	21:38
melwitt	it seems okay to me	21:38
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dansmith	okie dokie, done	21:38
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dansmith	okay that's the end of the list of open discussion things.. auggy you had a thing?	21:38
takashin	Thank you.	21:38
dansmith	hopefully a very very short thing?	21:38
auggy	last week i updated the Mentorship wiki page with tasks for new contributors - https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Mentoring	21:38
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auggy	it's still incomplete but if you have things to add, either let me know and i'll do it or feel free to add them	21:39
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auggy	that's all :)	21:39
dansmith	alright	21:39
dansmith	anything else from anyone?	21:39
dansmith	anyone?	21:39
dansmith	anyone?	21:39
dansmith	beuller?	21:40
esnyder	newbie meta question about spec approval process	21:40
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dansmith	esnyder: shoot	21:40
esnyder	is it appropriate to be proposing specs with api changes where upstream dependencies are still up in the error, or is that always bad form?	21:40
esnyder	(re https://review.openstack.org/#/c/310050/)	21:41
dansmith	esnyder: the up in the air bit here is the VSOCK stuff?	21:41
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esnyder	yes	21:41
dansmith	right, so because that has to filter down to us through the kernel, qemu, and libvirt at least,	21:42
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dansmith	and then the distros,	21:42
dansmith	approving that before things are much closer to being consumable is not likely to happen, IMHO	21:42
esnyder	exactly; we're just trying to keep as much parallel motion going as possible, but don't want to be out of turn here	21:42
esnyder	ok, thanks	21:42
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dansmith	yep, and that's cool.. I also appreciate the desire the use 9p as the proving ground,	21:43
alaski	a backlog spec might be more appropriate for now to capture discussion, and then move to a full spec when dependencies are in place	21:43
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dansmith	it's just that 9p has a lot of bad issues for nova, etc that it's not really a viable alternative even for a PoC I think	21:43
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dansmith	alaski: yeah, although I think they mostly have things fleshed out, so just merging the spec when the time is right is probably fine too	21:43
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dansmith	alaski: it's not like they have an idea and no plan to do it, they're just waiting for the goodness to get finished in another community so it can filter down to us	21:44
alaski	sure. the backlog spec just avoids the -2 parade at the end of the cycle	21:44
dansmith	alaski: or we could -2 it now .. but yeah :)	21:44
dansmith	either way	21:44
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alaski	yeah, just mentioning it as an alternative	21:44
esnyder	so i should just move it from newton/approved to newton/backlog?	21:45
dansmith	yup	21:45
dansmith	esnyder: you can if you want	21:45
alaski	esnyder: it's an option, not necessary	21:45
esnyder	ok, thanks for the feedback	21:45
dansmith	okay, anything else/	21:45
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dansmith	this has been the worst "shortest meeting ever" attempt, so I apologize for that	21:45
dansmith	I blame all the people showing up and talking	21:45
bauzas	we should look at the logs and point out names	21:46
dansmith	they know who they are	21:46
* auggy hides		21:46
edleafe	I tried to be quiet	21:46
tonyb	shush!	21:46
dansmith	edleafe: yeah, you were part of the solution	21:46
dansmith	okay, I believe we're done here.. someone second my motion to adjourn	21:46
edleafe	+2	21:47
bauzas	+2	21:47
tonyb	seconded	21:47
alaski	seconded	21:47
auggy	i concur	21:47
* claudiub prepares tumble weeds		21:47
dansmith	excellent, consensus	21:47
dansmith	#endmeeting	21:47
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openstack	Meeting ended Thu May 26 21:47:15 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4)	21:47
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openstack	Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2016/nova.2016-05-26-20.59.txt	21:47
openstack	Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2016/nova.2016-05-26-20.59.log.html	21:47
bauzas	snap, I'm on the podium :/	21:47
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ihrachys	quack	21:59
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dougwig	o/	22:00
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dougwig	armax: ping?	22:01
armax	hello	22:01
armax	#startmeeting neutron_drivers	22:01
openstack	Meeting started Thu May 26 22:01:46 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is armax. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.	22:01
openstack	Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.	22:01
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openstack	The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers'	22:01
HenryG	o/	22:02
dougwig	o	22:02
carl_baldwin	o/	22:02
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boden	o/	22:02
dougwig	/	22:02
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ihrachys	quack	22:02
dougwig	slow wave, i guess.	22:02
amuller	hiya	22:02
amotoki	hi	22:02
armax	hello everyone!	22:03
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armax	sorry I am a bit late	22:03
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armax	let’s dive in!	22:03
armax	but before we do	22:03
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armax	checkpoint before the first milestone	22:04
armax	we have a few blueprints targeted for N-1	22:04
armax	#link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/newton-1	22:05
armax	if we can get eyes on specs	22:05
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armax	make sure they are given extensive review!	22:06
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armax	#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/neutron-specs,n,z	22:07
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armax	you guys still with me	22:07
armax	?	22:07
ihrachys	yeap	22:08
njohnsto_	here	22:08
HenryG	indeed	22:08
amotoki	yeah	22:08
armax	ok good	22:08
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carl_baldwin	sorry, was looking at a spec.	22:09
armax	carl_baldwin: that’s a good one!	22:09
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ihrachys	huh. so we lost armax? :)	22:12
HenryG	armax are you still with us?	22:12
amuller	he just rejoined	22:12
amuller	armax_:	22:12
armax_	what did I miss?	22:13
armax_	lousy wifi	22:13
armax_	sorry	22:13
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carl_baldwin	Didn't miss anything. We were waiting for you.	22:13
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armax	good	22:13
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armax	before we go and dive in the list of triaged bugs	22:14
armax	I also wanted to get a feel from you on how we think we’re doing, and whether there’s ways we can refine the process	22:15
armax	I should probably extend the question on the ML	22:15
armax	and ask for larger feedback, but I wanted to see if you had any general suggestion/complain/feedback	22:15
HenryG	As usual we have too many things to get done. It might be time to set priorities for Newton?	22:16
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armax	setting priorities is tricky because people don’t tend to follow them!	22:17
dougwig	nsh in sfc. done.	22:17
carl_baldwin	Everyone's got their own set.	22:17
ihrachys	^ what the gentleman just said :(	22:17
HenryG	yeah, when will I learn?	22:17
armax	and it’s down to how well a group of folks work together to get a feature to completion	22:17
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armax	HenryG: in principle I think we already provide some degree of guidance on what RFEs are accepted and which aren’t	22:18
* ihrachys also notes that apart from features, we are not looking good on gate front. but that's maybe not for this forum.		22:18
armax	taking into account the existing workload	22:18
armax	ihrachys: what do you mean?	22:18
dougwig	ihrachys: i think it is, because if we're not handling maintenance, we should not be adding.	22:18
armax	can’t drop a bomb like this and run away :)	22:19
ihrachys	armax: recheck is everyone's friend lately. functional, api, tempest, all kinds of failures	22:19
HenryG	functional is the worst a.t.m.	22:19
armax	functional is terrible	22:19
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armax	I am this close to make it non voting again	22:19
ihrachys	HenryG: pg-full is 30% rate	22:19
armax	but as far as the gate is concerned	22:20
armax	http://status.openstack.org//openstack-health/#/	22:20
HenryG	ihrachys: it is non-voting but I have it on my list of things to fix	22:20
armax	the failure rate is at >96%	22:20
armax	which is pretty good all things considered	22:20
dougwig	i think you mean success rate.	22:21
armax	dougwig: right	22:21
armax	sorry	22:21
ihrachys	maybe gate, but definitely not check queue. or I am especially lucky.	22:21
armax	ihrachys: I don’t see any uncaterogized api failures	22:22
armax	http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/data/uncategorized.html	22:22
amuller	there's a fix for the functional gate issue https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317369/	22:22
armax	ihrachys: check queue biggest offender is functional	22:22
armax	for sure	22:22
amuller	by Jakub, just +1'd by Terry today	22:22
armax	the thing with the functional job is that we need to figure out a way to keep it stable, that’s not the first time that it goes wild and it’s tricky to understand why	22:23
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amuller	I don't know if there's anything to generalize or learn here	22:24
armax	anyhow, I think we digressed enough but ihrachys that’s a good point, hopefully the weekly checkpoint will continue to keep us in check	22:24
amuller	Jakub worked on it for a few weeks until he found out the root cause, which was a production bug in the ovsdb native code (Not a test only thing)	22:24
amuller	it was complicated and took a lot of time	22:24
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armax	amuller: so how close is it to merging?	22:26
amuller	armax: the current patchset should be very close	22:26
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armax	amuller: ok, I’ll keep an eye on it	22:27
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armax	if I look at grafana	22:27
armax	#link http://grafana.openstack.org/dashboard/db/neutron-failure-rate	22:28
armax	I have see nothing startling besides pg, and functional	22:28
armax	and fullstack	22:28
armax	but only functional (in check) is disruptive	22:28
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armax	ok let’s park this for now	22:29
armax	ihrachys: thanks for bringing it up	22:29
HenryG	There does not appear to be any consistency in the PG failures, last time I looked.	22:29
armax	bug #1552680	22:30
openstack	bug 1552680 in neutron "[RFE] Add support for DLM" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1552680 - Assigned to John Schwarz (jschwarz)	22:30
armax	any update on this one?	22:30
armax	not yet I gather	22:30
armax	bug #1559978	22:30
openstack	bug 1559978 in neutron "[RFE] log segmentation_id over threshold for monitoring" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1559978	22:30
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armax	anyone has had the chance to look into it?	22:31
armax	btw I am looking at this list	22:31
carl_baldwin	(crickets)	22:31
armax	#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.status%3Alist=Triaged&field.tag=rfe	22:31
armax	minus the BGP ones	22:31
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ihrachys	well, I briefly looked at it, but I guess we need ajo_ to chime in addressing latest comments	22:32
armax	ok	22:32
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armax	bug #1560963	22:33
openstack	bug 1560963 in neutron "[RFE] Minimum bandwidth support (egress)" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1560963 - Assigned to Rodolfo Alonso (rodolfo-alonso-hernandez)	22:33
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armax	is this something the QoS team think is in scope?	22:34
armax	I would think so, under certain premises	22:34
ihrachys	I think yes, they are discussing it, for egress for now.	22:34
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ihrachys	ingress is shelved	22:35
ihrachys	there is a spec for that RFE	22:35
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ihrachys	from API perspective, very straightforward	22:35
carl_baldwin	#link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.status%3Alist=Triaged&field.tag=rfe+-l3-bgp+&field.tags_combinator=ALL	22:35
carl_baldwin	^ Removes BGP ones.	22:35
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armax	carl_baldwin: nice one, I’d rather see the BGP ones vetted and moved out of the way for real but that’s a start :	22:36
armax	:)	22:36
amotoki	are BGP ones waiting for feedback from L3 team? can we mark them as Confirmed until discussions start?	22:36
carl_baldwin	armax: We're almost there. tidwellr and I did some prioritization of them yesterday. Just not sure what to do with the lower priority ones.	22:37
carl_baldwin	Yes, I'll mark them as confirmed for now.	22:37
armax	carl_baldwin: ok	22:37
armax	ihrachys: ok so let’s iterate on the spec with the assumption that we agree something will have to be done	22:38
ihrachys	+	22:38
armax	bug #1563879	22:38
openstack	bug 1563879 in neutron "[RFE] DVR should route packets to Instances behind the L2 Gateway" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1563879	22:38
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armax	in a nutshell if I a have two neutron networks connected via a dvr router	22:40
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armax	and one of these two networks is the result of a logical segment + an unmanaged segment, the nodes on the unmanaged segments won’t be able to reach out the other network via the DVR routerr	22:41
armax	which seems like like a gap	22:41
carl_baldwin	agreed	22:43
amotoki	I agree with armax's comment in the bug.	22:43
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armax	ok	22:44
carl_baldwin	+1	22:44
armax	bug #1577488	22:44
openstack	bug 1577488 in neutron "[RFE]"Fast exit" for compute node egress flows when using DVR" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1577488	22:44
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carl_baldwin	We discussed a lot yesterday. Did we reach conclusion?	22:45
armax	carl_baldwin: we being?	22:46
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carl_baldwin	all the people	22:46
armax	or you mean last week?	22:46
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armax	carl_baldwin: all the openstack people?	22:46
carl_baldwin	Yes, last week.	22:46
dougwig	it was our 'go' last week.	22:46
armax	it sounds to me that the rfe is invalid	22:47
carl_baldwin	I thought we agreed that a router could do fast exit if it isn't doing SNAT.	22:47
armax	but it has unveiled that the ext_gw_mode extension and the address_scope extensions are conflicting	22:47
carl_baldwin	I think that is, at most, a documentation issue.	22:48
armax	in other words you can address the RFE’s use case employing address scopes	22:48
armax	and in that case toggling the enable_snat flag on the router is ineffective	22:48
carl_baldwin	That's true.	22:48
armax	so we would want to a) document the issue; b) make sure this condition is caught when a dumb user is expecting things to happen when they won’t and raise an error	22:49
carl_baldwin	Matching address scopes does render enable_snat ineffective.	22:49
armax	if that’s the conclusion I’d state that on the RFE bug and mark it invalid	22:49
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carl_baldwin	All that's good but it still doesn't get you fast exit from the DVR router without some work.	22:50
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armax	carl_baldwin: is there anything that doesn’t need work when it comes to DVR?	22:50
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armax	the other option is to turn this RFE into a regular bug fix	22:51
armax	I mean bug report	22:51
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amotoki	do you mean DVR needs a work to support NAT mode based address scope?	22:51
tidwellr	amotoki: that's effectively what I was thinking this rfe would solve	22:52
carl_baldwin	DVR sends traffic to the snat namespace when there is no floating IP, even when there is no SNAT. This rfe is an enhancement to get a fast exit path. That's not a bug.	22:52
carl_baldwin	It is a change in behavior from today. Hence RFE.	22:53
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armax	carl_baldwin: but without address scope though, right?	22:54
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carl_baldwin	armax: I'm not following.	22:55
armax	carl_baldwin: me neither	22:55
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carl_baldwin	Let's take it up later.	22:55
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armax	ok	22:56
armax	we’re nearly at time	22:56
dougwig	how many can make it to the ireland meetup?	22:56
armax	I don’t see any activity on bug 1580588	22:57
openstack	bug 1580588 in neutron "[RFE] use network's dns_domain to generate dns_assignment" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1580588 - Assigned to Miguel Lavalle (minsel)	22:57
carl_baldwin	armax: I think Miguel is tapped for now.	22:57
amuller	dougwig: too early to tell, I think people need to check travel budgets etc	22:57
carl_baldwin	dougwig: I need to check on travel	22:57
armax	dougwig: ditto, though I have no conflict for that week	22:58
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carl_baldwin	armax: How do we put an RFE on the back-burner?	22:58
njohnst__	^^ what he said	22:58
carl_baldwin	armax: Confirmed?	22:58
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armax	carl_baldwin: which one?	22:59
armax	#endmeeting	22:59
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carl_baldwin	armax: The most recent one you linked	22:59
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armax	carl_baldwin: confirmed would do I guess	22:59
carl_baldwin	armax: ack, done	23:00
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armax	carl_baldwin: thanks	23:01
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armax	thanks everyone	23:01
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