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| JRobinson__ | Hi all, the APAC docs meeting is set to start in about 15 minutes. | 00:15 |
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| loquacities | hi! who do we have for the docs meeting? | 00:30 |
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| JRobinson__ | o/ morning | 00:30 |
| loquacities | hiys JRobinson__ | 00:31 |
| loquacities | hiya* | 00:31 |
| katomo | ! | 00:31 |
| loquacities | hi katomo | 00:32 |
| katomo | hi,loquacities,JRobinson__ | 00:32 |
| loquacities | #startmeeting docteam | 00:32 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 1 00:32:22 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is loquacities. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:32 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:32 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 00:32 |
| loquacities | should be a short one today, i think | 00:32 |
| katomo | yeah | 00:32 |
| loquacities | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 00:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from the last meeting (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 00:32 | |
| loquacities | none that i can see | 00:33 |
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| loquacities | #topic Specs in review | 00:33 |
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| loquacities | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/docs-specs,n,z | 00:33 |
| loquacities | the install guide spec merged last week | 00:33 |
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| loquacities | so we just have a training guides one outstanding | 00:33 |
| katomo | hm | 00:33 |
| loquacities | i haven't looked at that one yet | 00:33 |
| katomo | :) | 00:34 |
| loquacities | we also merged the arch guide one last week, too | 00:34 |
| loquacities | #topic Speciality teams | 00:34 |
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| loquacities | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Speciality_Team_Reports | 00:34 |
| katomo | I'm working on Config Reference bugs | 00:35 |
| loquacities | #info Install Guide work items are here now: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/InstallGuideWorkItems | 00:35 |
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| loquacities | and we have the install guide naming poll up too | 00:35 |
| loquacities | #info Install Guide poll http://goo.gl/forms/t9lf8Lv9NXW142lv1 | 00:35 |
| katomo | many votes? | 00:36 |
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| loquacities | yeah, 30 so far | 00:36 |
| JRobinson__ | #info please vote for a new Install Guide name | 00:36 |
| katomo | good | 00:36 |
| loquacities | 27% for OpenStack Installation Tutorial | 00:36 |
| bmoss | \o/ | 00:36 |
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| loquacities | 20% for OpenStack Evaluation Setup Guide | 00:36 |
| katomo | morning, bmoss | 00:36 |
| JRobinson__ | It's a good start for having the poll open for just under a week | 00:36 |
| loquacities | 17% for Basic Install Guide | 00:36 |
| bmoss | hi katomo! | 00:36 |
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| loquacities | i think Basic Install Guide has to be ruled out, because it's not emphasising the training aspect | 00:37 |
| loquacities | and i like OpenStack Evaluation Setup Guide except for the obvious fact that it's a real mouthful | 00:37 |
| loquacities | (i'm just thinking of being at Summit and having to say it over and over again for four days straight ;) | 00:37 |
| katomo | hmm | 00:37 |
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| bmoss | yeah. It also sounds like something a company might use for evaluating OpenStack. Which it isn't. | 00:38 |
| JRobinson__ | Also the acronym is OSESG, which is hard to say | 00:38 |
| loquacities | "oh ses guh"? ;) | 00:38 |
| katomo | :) | 00:38 |
| loquacities | bmoss: +1 | 00:38 |
| loquacities | anyway, how's the config ref coming along katomo? | 00:38 |
| loquacities | i saw your patches for fixing those formatting issues | 00:39 |
| katomo | good progress | 00:39 |
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| loquacities | cool | 00:39 |
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| loquacities | any other speciality team updates? | 00:39 |
| JRobinson__ | I've begun speaking to the magnum team | 00:40 |
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| loquacities | JRobinson__: oh, cool! | 00:40 |
| loquacities | magnum have been very engaged so far this cycle | 00:40 |
| JRobinson__ | They're still working on their User Guide, but the plan is to present it to users and admins (which is a broad strokes, general summary) | 00:40 |
| JRobinson__ | I'm talking with them about helping with reformatting to fit docs conventions when they're ready | 00:41 |
| loquacities | neat | 00:41 |
| katomo | great | 00:41 |
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| loquacities | #topic Countdown to release | 00:41 |
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| loquacities | 126 days to go! | 00:42 |
| loquacities | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/NewtonDeliverables | 00:42 |
| loquacities | #info ops and arch guide stuff is well underway | 00:42 |
| loquacities | #info install guide is lagging a bit, mostly because i need to talk to andreas about next steps | 00:42 |
| loquacities | #info install guide is also lagging because i need more interest from the CPLs | 00:43 |
| loquacities | #action loquacities to email CPLs directly this week about install guide participation | 00:43 |
| loquacities | #info user guides is proceeding, but needs more hands as well | 00:44 |
| loquacities | wow, plurals are hard | 00:44 |
| loquacities | i think that's most of the highlights | 00:44 |
| loquacities | any other observations on newton deliverables? | 00:44 |
| loquacities | nope? | 00:45 |
| loquacities | right, moving on | 00:45 |
| katomo | nothing from me | 00:45 |
| loquacities | #topic Open discussion | 00:45 |
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| loquacities | so the only other thing i have is that bmoss and i have a meeting with some UX/UI people today | 00:45 |
| loquacities | so something might fall out of that | 00:45 |
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| JRobinson__ | I also had one point I wanted to mention | 00:46 |
| JRobinson__ | So on the mailing list there was a discussion on docs contributors reviewing new information from devs - one of the options was after a patch is up, docs team making changes, and then pushing their own patches up. | 00:46 |
| JRobinson__ | And then the developer does a final check. | 00:46 |
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| JRobinson__ | ^the docs team makes changes, that shouldr ead | 00:47 |
| JRobinson__ | ^read | 00:47 |
| loquacities | yep? | 00:48 |
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| JRobinson__ | Anyway, I didn't realyl have question on the idea, just wanted to bring it up in open discussion since it might be a process that I could trial with potential user guide additions | 00:48 |
| JRobinson__ | ^really | 00:48 |
| loquacities | i think if devs would like us to do that, they should just indiicate it in the review | 00:49 |
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| loquacities | and that then gives us 'permission' (in a way) to stamp all over it | 00:49 |
| JRobinson__ | okay, a good idea. | 00:49 |
| loquacities | i wouldn't do it without checking first, though | 00:49 |
| JRobinson__ | I would definitely check in and detail the idea first | 00:50 |
| darrenc | I agree, they can add docs ppl to the review | 00:50 |
| loquacities | +1 | 00:50 |
| loquacities | i mean, we already do this to some extent anyway | 00:50 |
| katomo | yep | 00:50 |
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| loquacities | i know especially with new contributors there's a few times i've just taken a patch and cleaned up the english | 00:50 |
| loquacities | as long as we all keep talking to each other, it'll all work out | 00:51 |
| loquacities | ok, anything else? | 00:51 |
| JRobinson__ | that was all | 00:51 |
| loquacities | cool, thanks for mentioning it | 00:51 |
| JRobinson__ | Thanks for the discussion on that point :) | 00:51 |
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| katomo | thanks | 00:52 |
| loquacities | cool, thanks everyone :) | 00:52 |
| bmoss | thanks! | 00:52 |
| darrenc | thanks | 00:52 |
| loquacities | #endmeeting | 00:52 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 1 00:52:25 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 00:52 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2016/docteam.2016-06-01-00.32.html | 00:52 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2016/docteam.2016-06-01-00.32.txt | 00:52 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2016/docteam.2016-06-01-00.32.log.html | 00:52 |
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| JRobinson__ | thanks all o/ | 00:52 |
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| njohnston | Hello all. It's FWaaS time! | 03:59 |
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| njohnston | #startmeeting fwaas | 04:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 1 04:00:06 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is njohnston. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 04:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 04:00 |
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| njohnston | I would make SridarK #endmeeting | 04:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 1 04:01:12 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 04:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fwaas/2016/fwaas.2016-06-01-04.00.html | 04:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fwaas/2016/fwaas.2016-06-01-04.00.txt | 04:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fwaas/2016/fwaas.2016-06-01-04.00.log.html | 04:01 |
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| ramishra | #startmeeting heat | 08:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 1 08:00:47 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ramishra. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 08:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 08:00 |
| ramishra | #topic roll call | 08:01 |
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| skraynev | o/ | 08:03 |
| KanagarajM | hi | 08:03 |
| duvarenkov | hi | 08:03 |
| huangtianhua | o/ | 08:03 |
| ramishra | stevebaker: around? | 08:03 |
| ramishra | we need the convergence guys to discuss the bugs | 08:05 |
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| ramishra | ok | 08:05 |
| ramishra | #topic adding items to agenda | 08:06 |
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| ramishra | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282016-06-01_0800_UTC.29 | 08:06 |
| ramishra | any more items? I've added a few | 08:06 |
| ramishra | #topic n1 status, milestone tagging? | 08:08 |
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| ramishra | #link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/newton-1 | 08:08 |
| skraynev | we probably discussed some part of them already ;) | 08:09 |
| skraynev | so let's share it with other guys ;) | 08:09 |
| ramishra | yep, the link is above | 08:09 |
| ramishra | I've moved a few bps and bugs to n2 | 08:09 |
| ramishra | Not sure if anyone has any concerns. | 08:09 |
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| ramishra | FYI, this is the milestone week | 08:10 |
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| ramishra | KanagarajM: I assume bug #1346742 is fixed already or something is left? | 08:11 |
| openstack | bug 1346742 in heat "resource sql table column 'nova_instance' is misleading" [Low,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1346742 - Assigned to Kanagaraj Manickam (kanagaraj-manickam) | 08:11 |
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| KanagarajM | yeah i wanted to ask about it | 08:11 |
| ricolin | O/ | 08:12 |
| KanagarajM | it has the last part to decide on | 08:12 |
| ramishra | ok, let's move it to n2 | 08:12 |
| elynn | o/ | 08:12 |
| KanagarajM | ok | 08:12 |
| ramishra | ricolin: hi what about bug #1454401 | 08:13 |
| openstack | bug 1454401 in heat "get_file doesn't work in the global environment" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1454401 - Assigned to Rico Lin (rico-lin) | 08:13 |
| ricolin | Miss previous part | 08:13 |
| ricolin | what about it? | 08:14 |
| ramishra | should we move it to n2? I assume that patch is still in review | 08:14 |
| ricolin | Yes | 08:14 |
| ricolin | still under review | 08:14 |
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| stevebaker | hi! | 08:15 |
| ricolin | Let me Move to n2 then | 08:16 |
| ramishra | skraynev: bug #1570908, we wanted to land after convergence cancel-update is fixed | 08:16 |
| openstack | bug 1570908 in heat "Cancel update action for stack is failed with nova server" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1570908 - Assigned to Oleksii Chuprykov (ochuprykov) | 08:16 |
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| skraynev | ramishra: yeah. I know about it and looks like Oleksii has not solution for convergence part right now | 08:17 |
| skraynev | so may be make sense to move to n2 too | 08:17 |
| ramishra | ok done | 08:17 |
| ramishra | I don't know stevebaker's plans for bug #1578854 | 08:18 |
| openstack | bug 1578854 in heat "resource-list makes SQL calls for every resource which is a nested stack" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1578854 - Assigned to Steve Baker (steve-stevebaker) | 08:18 |
| ramishra | I assume there are still few patches in review | 08:18 |
| stevebaker | the last one in the series does a Closes Bug https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323614/ | 08:18 |
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| skraynev | ramishra: we need to figure out status for remaining bugs during next day and then post patch with new tag | 08:19 |
| ramishra | stevebaker: ok, I'll leave it then;) | 08:19 |
| stevebaker | I think its ready for review | 08:19 |
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| ramishra | skraynev: now there are only convergence bugs and bug #1524013 | 08:20 |
| openstack | bug 1524013 in heat "Arbitrarily-large resource properties should be allowed in events" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1524013 - Assigned to Crag Wolfe (cwolfe) | 08:20 |
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| ramishra | skraynev: yeah we'll leave them for therve | 08:21 |
| skraynev | ok. | 08:21 |
| skraynev | looks like we have not any patch for two triaged bugs | 08:21 |
| skraynev | may be will be better to move them too | 08:22 |
| skraynev | ? | 08:22 |
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| skraynev | ramishra: ^ | 08:22 |
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| ramishra | skraynev: I think I've seen one patch for bug #1501192, not sure why it's not reflected here though | 08:22 |
| openstack | bug 1501192 in heat "Convergence: optimize RPC calls to worker" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1501192 - Assigned to Anant Patil (ananta) | 08:22 |
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| ramishra | moved | 08:23 |
| ramishra | moving on | 08:24 |
| skraynev | ramishra: thx | 08:24 |
| ramishra | #topic convergence default, status | 08:24 |
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| ramishra | I'm not sure what's the update after the last meeting wrt magnum, murano and sahara | 08:24 |
| ramishra | skraynev: I think you wanted to do some checking with murano team, right? | 08:25 |
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| ramishra | anant does not seem to be around. | 08:26 |
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| skraynev | ramishra: As I remember they decided to add job, but I have not fresh update about it. I will ask them today. Probably we will get some results later during preparation for n2 | 08:27 |
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| ramishra | skraynev: ok | 08:28 |
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| ricolin | https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1529567 | 08:29 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1529567 in heat "Convergence: Add waiting time throttle for sync point" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Anant Patil (ananta) | 08:29 |
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| ricolin | Need more comments on this one | 08:29 |
| ricolin | would really like to see it get merged | 08:29 |
| ramishra | I think there was a patch from shardy to override the default for tripleo | 08:29 |
| ramishra | I'm not able to locate that now | 08:30 |
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| ramishra | IMO, we should make convergence the default in n1, we'll have enough time in the cycle to fix issues;) | 08:31 |
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| ramishra | ok, let's move on | 08:32 |
| ramishra | #topic open discussion | 08:33 |
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| ramishra | If there is nothing to discuss, then probably we can end the meeting and move back to #heat? | 08:36 |
| skraynev | + | 08:36 |
| ricolin | +1 | 08:36 |
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| ramishra | ok | 08:36 |
| ramishra | #endmeeting | 08:36 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 1 08:36:38 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:36 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2016/heat.2016-06-01-08.00.html | 08:36 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2016/heat.2016-06-01-08.00.txt | 08:36 |
| stevebaker | \o | 08:36 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2016/heat.2016-06-01-08.00.log.html | 08:36 |
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| tonyb | #startmeeting requirements | 11:59 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 1 11:59:59 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tonyb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 12:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'requirements' | 12:00 |
| tonyb | Roll call Who's here for the requirements meeting? | 12:00 |
| coolsvap | Hello | 12:00 |
| coreycb | o/ | 12:00 |
| * coolsvap is | 12:00 | |
| tonyb | I think dims is sleeping, prometheanfire is on vacation | 12:01 |
| dirk | Hey | 12:01 |
| tonyb | dirk: hey. | 12:02 |
| * dirk is on vacation as well | 12:02 | |
| tonyb | dirk: Wel thanks for being here then :) | 12:02 |
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| tonyb | Anything in the review queue that stands out? | 12:03 |
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| tonyb | coolsvap: has a bunch of cruft cleaning reviews up | 12:03 |
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| coolsvap | yes | 12:03 |
| dirk | There was a ping recently | 12:03 |
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| dirk | https://review.openstack.org/315348 | 12:04 |
| dirk | I am not sure what this one is waiting for.. | 12:05 |
| tonyb | dirk: Yeah .... doug/dims to review it | 12:05 |
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| dirk | I'm still trying to find time to go through coolsvap 's reviews | 12:05 |
| dirk | But family is first this week.. | 12:05 |
| tonyb | dirk: good plan | 12:05 |
| coolsvap | dirk, sure take your time :) | 12:06 |
| tonyb | I'm also looking at coolsvap's reviews when I get free cycles | 12:06 |
| coolsvap | i just got some free and uploaded the reviews | 12:06 |
| * tonyb wonders if 315348 is blocking anything? | 12:06 | |
| tonyb | coolsvap: Thanks. That kind of curation takes time and energy | 12:07 |
| dirk | tonyb I guess it does - there is no reason given though | 12:08 |
| coolsvap | tonyb, can you add action-item to dims/dhellman to review patch 315348 | 12:08 |
| dirk | For me it makes sense to cherry pick it although it probably is outside stable policy | 12:09 |
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| tonyb | #action dims, dhellmann to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/315348/ | 12:09 |
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| tonyb | Yeah but requirements doesn't have the stable:follow-policy tag so we can be flexible | 12:10 |
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| tonyb | also for requirements we *really* want a single code base regardless of the branch | 12:10 |
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| tonyb | it's the data that matters | 12:10 |
| dirk | +1 | 12:11 |
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| coolsvap | yeah | 12:11 |
| * tonyb was thinking abotu how to spilt the code from the data earlier today | 12:11 | |
| tonyb | can't say I got very far but it's there as a thing to do ... | 12:12 |
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| tonyb | Anything else for general reviews? | 12:13 |
| dirk | Not from me | 12:13 |
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| coolsvap | no | 12:13 |
| tonyb | okay .... | 12:13 |
| tonyb | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/requirements-tasks | 12:13 |
| tonyb | any of the 16 or so todo items to talk about? | 12:14 |
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| tonyb | coolsvap: You're the only one game enough to put your name next to an item | 12:14 |
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| tonyb | coolsvap: how's that going? | 12:14 |
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| coolsvap | tonyb, remove-cruft is in good progress | 12:15 |
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| coolsvap | i think by next meeting i will have upto 100% done | 12:16 |
| tonyb | coolsvap: great! | 12:16 |
| coolsvap | i have updated the https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/requirements-cruft for details of the packages | 12:16 |
| coolsvap | which are removed | 12:16 |
| tonyb | coolsvap: thanks. | 12:17 |
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| coolsvap | i am still new to requirements, reviews are most appreciated | 12:17 |
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| tonyb | coolsvap: +1 | 12:19 |
| coreycb | coolsvap, I took a pass on several from an ubuntu perspective, hopefully that is useful | 12:19 |
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| coolsvap | coreycb, yeah | 12:20 |
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| tonyb | anything else for the uber todo list? | 12:21 |
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| coolsvap | nothing more from my side | 12:22 |
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| tonyb | open discussion? | 12:23 |
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| coolsvap | tonyb, that is very useful | 12:24 |
| tonyb | It's a little tricky as the Requirements class rewrites the specificatons which makes the diff bigger | 12:24 |
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| tonyb | also I'm not 100% certain we want to do it but it's a fun little script | 12:25 |
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| coolsvap | tonyb, yeah i think it should be useful considering some package conflicts i have seen in current remove-cruft reviews | 12:26 |
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| tonyb | coolsvap: my worry is that this will break horribly if it merges | 12:27 |
| dirk | Tonyb I actually started that ages ago but ran out of time | 12:27 |
| coolsvap | tonyb, once you have some thing ready lets put it on review | 12:27 |
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| coolsvap | lets test it locally for a month or so as a dry run | 12:28 |
| tonyb | coolsvap: will poxix_ipc suddenly cause the bot to fail? | 12:28 |
| coolsvap | and improve | 12:28 |
| tonyb | Sure | 12:28 |
| coolsvap | tonyb, i did not get context for the poxix_ipc question earlier | 12:29 |
| dirk | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/207629/ | 12:29 |
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| tonyb | coolsvap: It was poorly worded | 12:29 |
| dirk | Ah, toabctl actually started that | 12:29 |
| dirk | So, yes, it will cause an issue with the bot | 12:29 |
| dirk | Didn't.het around fixing that yet | 12:29 |
| coolsvap | dirk, i will take a grab at it some time in this week | 12:30 |
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| dirk | Cool, be happy to review it | 12:31 |
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| tonyb | Ahh yeah that thing. | 12:31 |
| dirk | So far something else was always more urgent to do :-/ | 12:31 |
| tonyb | :/ | 12:31 |
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| tonyb | Anyone else? | 12:32 |
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| coolsvap | nothing else from my side | 12:33 |
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| tonyb | dirk, coreycb ? | 12:33 |
| dirk | Nothing from me today | 12:33 |
| coreycb | tonyb, nothing from me, thanks | 12:33 |
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| tonyb | okay I'll end the meeting then | 12:34 |
| tonyb | Thanks everyone | 12:34 |
| tonyb | #endmeeting | 12:34 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 1 12:34:20 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 12:34 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2016/requirements.2016-06-01-11.59.html | 12:34 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2016/requirements.2016-06-01-11.59.txt | 12:34 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2016/requirements.2016-06-01-11.59.log.html | 12:34 |
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| joehuang | hello | 13:00 |
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| zhiyuan | hello joe | 13:00 |
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| Yipei | hi, all | 13:00 |
| longxion_ | hi joe | 13:00 |
| joehuang | hi | 13:00 |
| joehuang | #startmeeting | 13:00 |
| openstack | joehuang: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 13:00 |
| joehuang | #startmeeting tricircle | 13:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 1 13:01:02 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is joehuang. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 13:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tricircle' | 13:01 |
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| joehuang | #topic rollcall | 13:01 |
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| joehuang | #info joehuang | 13:01 |
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| zhiyuan | #info zhiyuan | 13:01 |
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| Yipei | #info Yipei | 13:01 |
| longxion_ | #info longxiongqiu | 13:02 |
| joehuang | #topic tempest | 13:02 |
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| joehuang | just submit a patch for tempest to discover tricircle tempest plugin | 13:03 |
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| ronghui_1 | #Ronghui | 13:03 |
| ronghui_1 | #info Ronghui | 13:03 |
| ronghui_1 | hello | 13:03 |
| joehuang | tempest is for system test, that means Tricircle is tested as a running system | 13:04 |
| joehuang | hi ronghui | 13:04 |
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| joehuang | not like unit test, the Tricircle is not running | 13:05 |
| longxion_ | @joe you mean tricircle now need support unit test and tempest? | 13:05 |
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| joehuang | after several patchces, we need to enable tempest test | 13:06 |
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| joehuang | in fact, tempest can test Nova/Cinder/Neutron, and these test cases should work for Tricircle too | 13:07 |
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| joehuang | but because we have not finished all functions, so we need to select some test cases to be executed | 13:07 |
| joehuang | in tricircle tempest plugin | 13:08 |
| longxion_ | ok | 13:08 |
| joehuang | for example, for cinder volume type, there are already some test cases in Cinder Tempest, we can reuse that | 13:09 |
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| joehuang | ok, later we can continue discuss about the tempest and how to enable it for new features | 13:11 |
| longxion_ | ok, i will find it in cinder code | 13:11 |
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| joehuang | #topic L2 networking, pod binding and volumetype | 13:12 |
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| ronghui_1 | i update the spec and there is review replay "-2" but there is no change requests | 13:13 |
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| ronghui_1 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304540/ | 13:13 |
| ronghui_1 | patch set 23 | 13:13 |
| joehuang | dont worry, Shinobu will go through the new patch set | 13:14 |
| joehuang | he may remove -2 if he think the patch is ok | 13:14 |
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| zhiyuan | for l2 gateway, i have successfully deployed l2 gateway services in devstack and connected VMs in one host to the l2 gateway in another host. will start try the remote l2 gateway feature tomorrow | 13:14 |
| ronghui_1 | ok thank for all of you guys | 13:15 |
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| joehuang | great news | 13:15 |
| joehuang | could share the link for the code | 13:15 |
| joehuang | #info successfully deployed l2 gateway services in devstack and connected VMs in one host to the l2 gateway in another host. | 13:15 |
| zhiyuan | but l2 gateway require vtep simulator whose installation package is only available for version 15.04 or higher if using Ubuntu | 13:16 |
| longxion_ | great for shared code | 13:16 |
| joehuang | there is some limitation here | 13:17 |
| ronghui_1 | that is not good news for us | 13:17 |
| zhiyuan | #link https://github.com/oferby/networking-l2gw/tree/HA4 | 13:17 |
| ronghui_1 | we need to update our Ubuntu | 13:17 |
| longxion_ | but we can learn how to code | 13:17 |
| ronghui_1 | yes | 13:17 |
| zhiyuan | repos for l2 gateway plugin | 13:17 |
| ronghui_1 | i will update the Ubuntu tomorrow | 13:17 |
| zhiyuan | or you can compile the code ... | 13:17 |
| ronghui_1 | to the version 16 | 13:17 |
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| Yipei | is there any guide for compiling the code? | 13:18 |
| zhiyuan | #link https://github.com/openvswitch/ovs/blob/master/vtep/README.ovs-vtep.md | 13:18 |
| zhiyuan | link for vtep simulator | 13:19 |
| zhiyuan | i am also writting a summary how to try l2 gateway | 13:19 |
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| ronghui_1 | great | 13:20 |
| zhiyuan | l2 gateway doesn't need to run with your openstack, so you can just add a new VM | 13:20 |
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| zhiyuan | no need to upgrade your VM which runs openstack | 13:20 |
| ronghui_1 | got it | 13:21 |
| Yipei | OK, got it. | 13:21 |
| ronghui_1 | u mean run another devstack to run the L2 gateway? | 13:21 |
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| zhiyuan | no, l2 gateway is just a openvswitch-vtep plus a vtep simulator | 13:22 |
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| zhiyuan | nothing to do with openstack | 13:22 |
| ronghui_1 | ok | 13:23 |
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| zhiyuan | your l2 gateway agent in your openstack talks to the openvswith-vtep service | 13:23 |
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| ronghui_1 | yes | 13:24 |
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| joehuang | but L2GW plugin needs to be installed | 13:25 |
| joehuang | sorry, this could be done next step | 13:25 |
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| joehuang | make data plane work first | 13:25 |
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| zhiyuan | yes, you need to install it in your openstack but l2 gateway plugin is pure python | 13:26 |
| zhiyuan | easy to instll | 13:26 |
| zhiyuan | s/instll/install | 13:26 |
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| Guest_74577 | Allah is doing | 13:26 |
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| zhiyuan | after i finish the experiment i will send out the summary | 13:27 |
| Guest_74577 | galaxies are not doing Allah is doing | 13:27 |
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| ronghui_1 | waiting for ur summary | 13:28 |
| Guest_74577 | oceans are not doing Allah is doing | 13:28 |
| zhiyuan | then you can try it in your own environment | 13:28 |
| ronghui_1 | ok | 13:28 |
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| joehuang | great to see Yipei also submit a patch today | 13:29 |
| Yipei | Shinobu gives a lots of comments about the new patch, i will update it tomorrow. | 13:29 |
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| Yipei | for the framework, i still don't have much idea, is there any code i can refer to? | 13:30 |
| joehuang | review is to help the quality | 13:30 |
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| zhiyuan | maybe refer to nova scheduler filter? | 13:32 |
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| longxion_ | @joehuang for volumetype patch, is there have an suggestion for me? | 13:32 |
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| Yipei | OK, i will try | 13:33 |
| joehuang | I'll review it tomorrow morning for your new update | 13:33 |
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| joehuang | is Guest_74577 a robot | 13:34 |
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| longxion_ | yes | 13:34 |
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| joehuang | Yipei, you can start from bug fix first | 13:35 |
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| joehuang | and refer to nova scheduler and cinder scheduler | 13:36 |
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| Yipei | OK, i will try. | 13:36 |
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| Yipei | dose my spec file miss any function or technical details? i think more technical details may help design the framework | 13:37 |
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| Yipei | i will try to fix the bugs next week and go on updating the spec file | 13:38 |
| Guest_74577 | nobody can get angry at you without the permission of allah | 13:38 |
| Yipei | along with trying to design the framework | 13:39 |
| joehuang | you can learn nova source code like http://www.aboutyun.com/thread-10121-1-1.html | 13:39 |
| Yipei | OK, thanks a lot for the link | 13:39 |
| joehuang | it's not the new one | 13:39 |
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| joehuang | just learn how to search, knowledge is in the internet | 13:40 |
| Yipei | maybe i can help me understand the rationale | 13:40 |
| joehuang | ok, any other topics? | 13:40 |
| Yipei | OK, i will do some research on cinder/nova scheduler | 13:41 |
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| Yipei | no for me | 13:41 |
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| longxion_ | no for me , please review for volumetype, glade to see more comments | 13:41 |
| Guest_74577 | fan is not doing Allah is doing | 13:41 |
| joehuang | ok, let's end the meeting | 13:42 |
| ronghui_1 | also no for me | 13:42 |
| joehuang | #endmeeting | 13:42 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 1 13:42:29 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:42 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-06-01-13.01.html | 13:42 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-06-01-13.01.txt | 13:42 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-06-01-13.01.log.html | 13:42 |
| ronghui_1 | waiting for the new comments | 13:42 |
| joehuang | bye | 13:42 |
| ronghui_1 | bye | 13:42 |
| zhiyuan_ | bye | 13:42 |
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| notmorgan | pleia2: nice. | 14:19 |
| notmorgan | pleia2: thanks :) | 14:19 |
| pleia2 | sure thing | 14:20 |
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| ttx | sleep definitely helps though | 14:58 |
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| SotK | anyone around for storyboard? | 15:00 |
| Zara | storyboard is not doing, storyboard meeting is doing | 15:00 |
| Zara | or something | 15:00 |
| Zara | I'm here, anyway | 15:00 |
| SotK | #startmeeting storyboard | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 1 15:00:47 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SotK. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 15:00 |
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| SotK | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StoryBoard#Agenda_for_next_meeting Agenda | 15:01 |
| SotK | Are there any announcements I have forgotten? | 15:02 |
| betherly | o/ | 15:02 |
| francoblanco | o/ | 15:02 |
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| Zara | er, I'm on holiday until Tues | 15:02 |
| Zara | starting tomorrow | 15:02 |
| Zara | maybe not worth an annoucment... but too late! it has been announced! | 15:03 |
| Zara | oh, and voting is open on the task-tracking spec, for the interested! | 15:03 |
| Zara | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/314185/ | 15:03 |
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| SotK | I also don't think there are any urgent items | 15:04 |
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| SotK | #topic In Progress Work | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "In Progress Work (Meeting topic: storyboard)" | 15:05 | |
| SotK | I sent some patches to add some UI bits for teams | 15:05 |
| Zara | yes! | 15:05 |
| SotK | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack-infra/storyboard-webclient+branch:master+topic:teams | 15:06 |
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| Zara | I have tested them and they seem fine, but we need more reviews. :) | 15:06 |
| SotK | I also sent some small patches to fix small bugs/inconsistency in places | 15:06 |
| Zara | \o/ | 15:07 |
| betherly | ok cool ill review some stuff later :) | 15:07 |
| Zara | double \o/ | 15:07 |
| SotK | thanks betherly :) | 15:07 |
| Zara | it's stuff like making subscriptions more consistent ('subscribe' button on all detail pages, not just stories) and clearing up the warnings in the console | 15:08 |
| francoblanco | Just fyi I submitted a small patch to address an issue I spotted when installing storyboard using the documentation. | 15:08 |
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| Zara | (so lots of little niggles for people who spend a bunch of time with storyboard; thanks again!) | 15:09 |
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| Zara | yes, thanks, francoblanco, I should get to that after the meeting (my backlog is always long, sorry!) | 15:09 |
| SotK | indeed, thanks :) | 15:09 |
| Zara | how did the patch-submission process go? | 15:09 |
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| francoblanco | Pretty smoothly thanks :) | 15:10 |
| Zara | yay | 15:10 |
| francoblanco | That's what I said! | 15:10 |
| Zara | :) | 15:10 |
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| Zara | I've been ostensibly looking at gerrit integration, but mostly reviewing | 15:11 |
| Zara | so I went back to zaro's gerrit plugin, and spent some time seeing how it works, infra have offered help in setting thigns up around it (eg: using review-dev to test with, so I don'thave to spin up a new gerrit) | 15:11 |
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| Zara | I haven't got round to actually using it, just reading the code. | 15:12 |
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| Zara | so at this point I'm wondering: is it better to dive in there, or get my bot working as much as possible, then just translate? | 15:13 |
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| Zara | the advantage of the latter approach is that I'm familiar with things, and it can be generalised beyond gerrit in theory. the disadvantage is that it means duplicating work for the gerrit bot later | 15:13 |
| Zara | when we do it properly with the plugin | 15:13 |
| SotK | whichever will be quicker is probably best for now I think | 15:14 |
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| persia | Whichever has implementors expecting to deploy it would be my recommendation (if both, then I think the original plan is best) | 15:14 |
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| persia | (in that, while work towards understanding something is a worthy goal, if nobody plans to deploy, rework ends up being necessary) | 15:15 |
| SotK | thats true | 15:15 |
| Zara | yeah, the gerrit plugin has the advantage in that it's ready-to-deploy. the disadvantage is it's harder to point to as an example for people seeking to update storyboard from other review tools. | 15:16 |
| Zara | because it's gerrit-specific. really I should spend an afternoon with it and see how far I get, I think. | 15:16 |
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| Zara | #info Zara will set up the gerrit plugin with review-dev and a test instance and have a play around | 15:19 |
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| Zara | any other in-progress work? | 15:20 |
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| SotK | I guess not | 15:22 |
| SotK | #topic PWG Dashboard Team Introduction and Epics (shamail) | 15:22 |
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| shamail | Hi! | 15:22 |
| betherly | been away on holiday and still dealing with everything since im back. will get back on schedule with things next week | 15:22 |
| SotK | hi shamail! | 15:22 |
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| shamail | The team isn't on today but I wanted to let you know that we have potentially 3-4 people from the PWG dashboard team who will start joining the storyboard meetings: Marcela, Teresita, Viridiana, Aaron (OpenStack Foundation). They will be researching how to get started working on storyboard and will be glad to help with the "epics" requirement. | 15:22 |
| shamail | They joined last week but didn’t introduce themselves so I just wanted to provide an intro/FYI | 15:23 |
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| Zara | np betherly :) | 15:23 |
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| shamail | Are there any pointers/references for the storyboard stack or “getting started” that we could leverage? | 15:24 |
| Zara | that's nice to hear; the easiest way they can get started is by asking in #storyboard :) | 15:24 |
| Zara | it's better not to wait for the weekly meetings | 15:24 |
| shamail | Thanks Zara | 15:24 |
| shamail | I’ll pass the information along :) | 15:24 |
| SotK | there is also http://docs.openstack.org/infra/storyboard/install/development.html | 15:24 |
| shamail | Thanks SotK! | 15:25 |
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| shamail | That’s all I had for today, I am hoping they become regular attendees/participants. | 15:25 |
| Zara | yeah, most of our work and discussion happens in #storyboard so while we can link to things here, it's way easier for everyone if they get in the habit of chatting in the channel | 15:25 |
| shamail | +1 | 15:25 |
| shamail | Thanks for your time! | 15:26 |
| Zara | np :) are they here now? | 15:26 |
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| shamail | They are not, they can stop by #storyboard later in the week to introduce themselves | 15:26 |
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| Zara | heh, cool, I look forward to it! :) | 15:27 |
| shamail | :] | 15:27 |
| * SotK too | 15:27 | |
| Zara | say hi to them for us | 15:28 |
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| shamail | Will do! | 15:28 |
| Zara | anyone for anything else? | 15:29 |
| Zara | oh hang on SotK is chair this week | 15:29 |
| SotK | :) | 15:29 |
| SotK | I guess we should move on to open discussion now then! | 15:29 |
| SotK | #topic Open Discussion | 15:29 |
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| Zara | oh, other thing I should have linked before | 15:30 |
| Zara | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/StoryBoard | 15:30 |
| Zara | that's I think the only place where we say 'come to #storyboard if you want to work on it' | 15:30 |
| Zara | but since that's pretty essential... yeah | 15:31 |
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| SotK | we should add it to http://docs.openstack.org/infra/storyboard/contributing.html too | 15:32 |
| Zara | ooh, yes, nice catch | 15:32 |
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| shamail | Thanks Zara and SotK, i’ll pass on all the linksQ | 15:34 |
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| Zara | np :) do they have irc set up with a bouncer so that they're generally available? that'd probably be the best start, if not | 15:37 |
| shamail | I don’t think they do | 15:39 |
| shamail | I’ll let them know that its a good idea | 15:39 |
| * shamail remembers that his bouncer went offline awhile ago… Probably needs to get it back up and running. | 15:39 | |
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| Zara | heh, yeah, I don't think I'd survive without one any more! xD | 15:40 |
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| Zara | I'm on 61 irc windows... | 15:41 |
| * Zara tries to think of any points she's missed... | 15:41 | |
| shamail | lol | 15:41 |
| shamail | I’m only on 8-9 | 15:41 |
| Zara | I probably only *use* that many, tbh | 15:42 |
| Zara | I think I've covered everything I wanted to cover, does anyone have anything else? | 15:42 |
| * SotK doesn't | 15:42 | |
| shamail | Nothing from me | 15:42 |
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| Zara | argh I'm chairing your meeting again, sorry sotk | 15:43 |
| SotK | s'ok | 15:43 |
| * SotK is a sleepy chair today | 15:43 | |
| shamail | Take care! | 15:43 |
| Zara | you too! | 15:43 |
| SotK | indeed! | 15:43 |
| SotK | if anyone remembers a point, come to #storyboard | 15:43 |
| SotK | #endmeeting | 15:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:43 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 1 15:43:47 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2016/storyboard.2016-06-01-15.00.html | 15:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2016/storyboard.2016-06-01-15.00.txt | 15:43 |
| betherly | thanks all! | 15:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2016/storyboard.2016-06-01-15.00.log.html | 15:43 |
| SotK | thanks all | 15:43 |
| francoblanco | Bye! | 15:44 |
| Zara | \o/ | 15:44 |
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| smcginnis | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 1 16:00:01 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:00 | |
| Swanson | Hello. | 16:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | ping: dulek duncant eharney geguileo winston-d e0ne jungleboyj jgriffith thingee smcginnis hemna xyang tbarron scottda erlon rhedlind jbernard _alastor_ vincent_hou kmartin patrickeast sheel dongwenjuan JaniceLee cFouts Thelo vivekd adrianofr mtanino yuriy_n17 karlamrhein diablo_rojo jay.xu jgregor baumann rajinir wilson-l | 16:00 |
| patrickeast | hi | 16:00 |
| eharney | hi | 16:00 |
| e0ne | hi Team! | 16:00 |
| kmartin | hello | 16:00 |
| wilson-l | hi | 16:00 |
| scottda | Hola | 16:00 |
| cFouts | hi | 16:00 |
| mtanino | hi | 16:00 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: Thanks | 16:00 |
| geguileo | Hi | 16:00 |
| tbarron | hi | 16:00 |
| ntpttr | hey all | 16:00 |
| yuriy_n17 | hi! | 16:00 |
| DuncanT | Hi | 16:00 |
| xyang1_ | hi | 16:00 |
| baumann | Hello! | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings Agenda | 16:00 |
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| smcginnis | Hey everyone! | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | #topic Announcements | 16:01 |
| Swanson | Hi Dr. Nick! | 16:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:01 | |
| smcginnis | Not too much today. | 16:01 |
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| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-spec-review-tracking Review tracking | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | Please use that link for tracking out priorities for this cycle. | 16:01 |
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| smcginnis | Reviewers please pay attention to areas we've identified as priorities for Newton. | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | Gerrit dowtime this Friday for project renames. | 16:02 |
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| smcginnis | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/095691.html | 16:02 |
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| smcginnis | Friday 2016-06-03 at 20:00 UTC | 16:02 |
| jungleboyj | Hello all. | 16:02 |
| rajinir | o/ | 16:02 |
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| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-cinder-midcycle Midcycle Etherpad | 16:02 |
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| karthikp | o/ | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | If you are planning on going to the midcycle please add your name to the list in the etherpad. | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | And reserve your hotel room if you haven't already. | 16:03 |
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| smcginnis | And please start putting down ideas for topics to cover. | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | #topic Migrate volume between backends in an async way | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Migrate volume between backends in an async way (Meeting topic: Cinder)" | 16:04 | |
| smcginnis | wilson-l: Hi | 16:04 |
| wilson-l | hello | 16:04 |
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| wilson-l | the main intention of the spec is trying to give the target backend a chance to perform the migration | 16:04 |
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| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312853 Async migrate spec | 16:04 |
| wilson-l | since now we always send the migration task to the source backend and the target backend will never have the chance to perform the migration | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | wilson-l: How would the target backend be able to do this? | 16:05 |
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| hemna | hi | 16:06 |
| diablo_rojo | Hello :) | 16:06 |
| wilson-l | we assume one driver can call other driver's interface | 16:06 |
| sheel | hi | 16:06 |
| wilson-l | directly or undirectly | 16:06 |
| DuncanT | smcginnis: Several backend can do transparent read-though to a different lun while copying the data from that lun | 16:07 |
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| e0ne | wilson-l: IMO, it should be done via RPC | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | So only between two backends of the same driver type? | 16:07 |
| DuncanT | smcginnis: In principle, any iSCSI source can be used | 16:07 |
| wilson-l | yea this is what I'm thinking about | 16:07 |
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| wilson-l | For now only support the same driver type | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | Seems... complicated. | 16:08 |
| e0ne | DuncanT: what about FC and RBD-based drivers? | 16:08 |
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| scottda | wilson-l: And this is an optimization to make the volume available more quickly? | 16:09 |
| wilson-l | If the backends are connected hrough FC | 16:09 |
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| DuncanT | e0ne: AFAIK no bankend currently supports that | 16:09 |
| e0ne | :( | 16:10 |
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| kmartin | it would need to be the same driver type for us as the backend needs to have some additional configuration to support this | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | I could conceivably do this with FC. | 16:10 |
| DuncanT | e0ne: If a backend added support then it could be called. | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | Not sure I would really want to though. | 16:10 |
| kmartin | the 3PAR FC driver can support this | 16:10 |
| wilson-l | scottda: can make the volume attachable more quickly | 16:10 |
| xyang | wilson-l: are you going to call a storage backend API to achieve that? | 16:10 |
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| DuncanT | e0ne: Adding a migration-to-ceph gateway would be a fun thing to code | 16:10 |
| mtanino | How user knows which combination of backend storages are avairable for this async migration? | 16:11 |
| wilson-l | xyng: through RPC api | 16:11 |
| e0ne | DuncanT: yes, we've already have something like that | 16:11 |
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| xyang | wilson-l: which method in the driver will be called? | 16:11 |
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| DuncanT | e0ne: Nice! Open code? | 16:11 |
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| e0ne | DuncanT: I mean migration to ceph code in cinder | 16:11 |
| eharney | yes, this sounds like it overlaps w/ the generic migration code a bit | 16:12 |
| DuncanT | e0ne: I mean transparent read-though live migration code | 16:12 |
| xyang | wilson-l: migrate_volume? | 16:12 |
| e0ne | DuncanT: oh, got it! | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | xyang: New call, migrate_volume_target() | 16:12 |
| xyang | smcginnis: thanks | 16:12 |
| jungleboyj | Concern seems to be that this is very complicated for limited benefit? | 16:13 |
| mtanino | eharney: I guess so. | 16:13 |
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| smcginnis | I think we would need a flag returned if it's able to be immediately attached or not. | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | Some can probably do that. | 16:13 |
| eharney | jungleboyj: i agree, but i'm thinking i need time to digest the spec | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | But for others this would just be an optimized data migration to avoid the whole read/dd/write data movement. | 16:13 |
| e0ne | DuncanT: we have to ask jbernard and eharney to help with it | 16:13 |
| * smcginnis will have to read through this spec in more detail | 16:14 | |
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| mtanino | smcginnis: I think so too. Use backend functionality to migrate a volume. | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | mtanino: Could be much more optimized that way, especially between like backends. | 16:14 |
| jungleboyj | The good news is the design doesn't impact those that don't support it, but it isn't clear how easy it is for those who do support it to expose it. | 16:14 |
| WenjunWang | i think it's better to let backend to implement the migrate function for the same backend,just like clone volume in one backend. | 16:14 |
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| e0ne | how it it different from current backend-specific migrations implementation? | 16:15 |
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| smcginnis | jungleboyj: I agree. | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: I think by being able to interact with the other backend driver. Is that right wilson-l? | 16:15 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: sounds too complicated and very backend speciffic for me | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: I have the same concern. | 16:16 |
| wilson-l | xyng: initialize_connection, terminate_connection | 16:16 |
| wilson-l | xying: Mostly are these two methods | 16:16 |
| wilson-l | For more details, we can comment directly on that patch | 16:16 |
| wilson-l | I just rtse it up | 16:16 |
| wilson-l | raise | 16:16 |
| wilson-l | let the target backend to perform the migration can make it possible to attach the volume to server for real use when the migration is under going | 16:16 |
| wilson-l | just need to give it a chance | 16:16 |
| wilson-l | But currently it never have have the chnce | 16:16 |
| wilson-l | s/chnce/chance | 16:17 |
| DuncanT | My main concern with this is adding the testing | 16:17 |
| e0ne | DuncanT: +2 | 16:18 |
| xyang | wilson-l: I saw that you listed VMAX. I asked VMAX team to take a look of the spec but what they can do seems different from your description. I think I need to re-read your spec again. | 16:18 |
| DuncanT | We're once again showing with the live backup stuff that if it isn't in the gate tests it gets broken | 16:18 |
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| e0ne | we don't have migarions tests yet | 16:18 |
| mtanino | yes... | 16:18 |
| scottda | I'm working on migration tests now. | 16:18 |
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| mtanino | scottda: will be added Cinder internal tempest? | 16:19 |
| wilson-l | xying: a new method named like migrate_volume_target will be called | 16:19 |
| scottda | mtanino: No, we want to test migration with a volume attached , which calls Nova swap_volume... | 16:19 |
| e0ne | my colleague works on snapshot backup tests | 16:19 |
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| xyang | wilson-l: ok, I’ll take a look again | 16:19 |
| scottda | mtanino: And that should run for Nova and Cinder patches in the gate | 16:20 |
| mtanino | scottda: I see. | 16:20 |
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| smcginnis | OK, let's review and comment on the spec patch. | 16:20 |
| scottda | mtanino: I'd like to see it run in gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-full, which both Nova and Cinder run. | 16:20 |
| smcginnis | wilson-l: Anything else before we move on? | 16:20 |
| wilson-l | smcginnis: thanck! | 16:20 |
| xyang | e0ne: that is for internal tempest? | 16:20 |
| smcginnis | wilson-l: Thank you. | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | #topic Move nova/encryptors to os-brick | 16:21 |
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| smcginnis | lixiaoy1: Hey | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: I will get the storwize team to look as well. | 16:21 |
| e0ne | xyang: not sure yet. it will be in tempest or in cinder code treee | 16:21 |
| lixiaoy1 | hey | 16:21 |
| xyang | e0ne: ok | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Thanks, the more different backends we have input on the better. | 16:21 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: ++ | 16:21 |
| lixiaoy1 | Thank Duncan for the comments. And currently what I need is review | 16:21 |
| e0ne | xyang: from my pov, it's ok to get them in cinder | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/247372/ os-brick encryptors patch | 16:22 |
| xyang | e0ne: is your co-working going to work on other tempest tests for backup too? | 16:22 |
| e0ne | xyang: yes | 16:22 |
| lixiaoy1 | as this patch is prerequisite of encrypted volume, it is in in os-brick, all patches for encrypted volume are failed without the patch | 16:22 |
| xyang | e0ne: cool | 16:22 |
| e0ne | xyang: we've got some covegare results | 16:22 |
| e0ne | xyang: I'm going to share it tomorrow | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | lixiaoy1: Looks like nova has some issues yet? | 16:22 |
| xyang | e0ne: great, I’d like to see what else we need so we add enought coverage | 16:23 |
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| lixiaoy1 | danpb added comments, and he agreed to do it. | 16:23 |
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| e0ne | xyang: afair, we've got a good enough coverage, I don't have the link for doc right now:( | 16:23 |
| e0ne | xyang: I'll ping you tomorrow with update | 16:24 |
| xyang | e0ne: sure, thanks! | 16:24 |
| hemna | lixiaoy1, so nova is ok with the encryptors in os-brick now ? | 16:24 |
| lixiaoy1 | I think so. | 16:25 |
| hemna | ok I'll take a look at the patch again | 16:26 |
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| lixiaoy1 | hemna: thank you! | 16:26 |
| lixiaoy1 | hemna: I also added a test script based on your diediedie test | 16:26 |
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| smcginnis | lixiaoy1: Great, anything else on this topic? | 16:28 |
| lixiaoy1 | no, thanks | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | lixiaoy1: Thank you. | 16:29 |
| lixiaoy1 | my pleasure | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | #topic Open Discussion | 16:29 |
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| smcginnis | The floor is open... | 16:29 |
| scottda | smcginnis: I put something on the agenda (late)... | 16:29 |
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| scottda | To discuss whether extensions should be version-able | 16:30 |
| hemna | lixiaoy1, so, I would also like to see a CI tests reporting on os-brick patches for the encryptors | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | scottda: Weird, I just refreshed. | 16:30 |
| scottda | It came up with this review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312063/ | 16:30 |
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| hemna | lixiaoy1, if possible | 16:30 |
| scottda | We can move many extensions to core (I'd like to do this work, but have not yet started) | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312063/ | 16:30 |
| scottda | But many extensions are not supported by all backends, and therefore should not be moved to core. | 16:30 |
| scottda | Should extensions be versionable? Discuss.... | 16:31 |
| e0ne | scottda: do we have a list of them? | 16:31 |
| smcginnis | scottda: Any idea how nova and others are handling this? | 16:31 |
| geguileo | scottda: I think any extension that is going to be moved to core should be versionable | 16:31 |
| smcginnis | I would think they have the same issue. | 16:31 |
| e0ne | scottda: yes, they should be done as microversions | 16:31 |
| xyang | I don’t think nova has extensions any more | 16:31 |
| scottda | e0ne: No, but should be possbible to come up with from support matrix | 16:31 |
| hemna | e0ne, why? there is no api change | 16:31 |
| lixiaoy1 | hemna: About CI, I will investigate. | 16:31 |
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| smcginnis | xyang: So how do they handle non-core functionality? Just try it and see if it works? | 16:31 |
| hemna | this is just an internal change that doesn't affect the cinder API | 16:31 |
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| scottda | geguileo: But what about extensions that cannot be moved to core? | 16:32 |
| hemna | lixiaoy1, ok thank you. | 16:32 |
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| e0ne | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/move-cinder-extensions-to-core | 16:32 |
| xyang | I don’t know about nova. I remember they have a support matrix about hypervisors | 16:32 |
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| DuncanT | hemna: The linked review is an API change | 16:32 |
| geguileo | scottda: Good question :-) | 16:32 |
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| dulek | Nova is also suffering a little from capabilities problems. See http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-March/090927.html | 16:33 |
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| geguileo | scottda: I would let them do versioning as well, but that's just my opinion | 16:33 |
| DuncanT | Does anybody actually turn off any of the extensions? | 16:33 |
| hemna | DuncanT, ok that's a description and name change. I'm replying to the discussion of moving extensions to core | 16:33 |
| dulek | They plan to report possible actions per vm it seems. | 16:33 |
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| DuncanT | hemna: Ah, yes, they should be transparent | 16:33 |
| hemna | I don't think it's a need for microversion change | 16:34 |
| hemna | just move them. | 16:34 |
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| e0ne | AFAIK, we decided to move them as microversion and redirect from old urls should work | 16:34 |
| scottda | This is not about moving extensions to core | 16:34 |
| dulek | We should probably just report capabilities per volume type. We've started that discussion at the summit. That way we can just move all the extensions to core and keep things discoverable. | 16:34 |
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| smcginnis | Yeah, if it doesn't change the API itself, just how it's implemented internally, I think we can just move them. | 16:34 |
| scottda | It is about extensions that remain extensions, because they are not core features | 16:34 |
| scottda | i.e. CGs | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | But if the public API changes, then we need to microversion them. | 16:34 |
| hemna | the non moveable extensions stay | 16:34 |
| hemna | I'm not sure what the issue is then | 16:35 |
| xyang | another thing is we are going with generic groups, and CG will be deprecated eventually | 16:35 |
| DuncanT | As far as I can tell, everybody ships with all of the standard extensions turned on, so we gain nothing by them not being in core | 16:35 |
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| hemna | xyang, but since CGs have been in, we may deprecate them, but I don't think we can ever remove them | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | Anyone here run a cloud where you disable any of the extensions? | 16:35 |
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| scottda | hemna: The issue came up because xyang pointed out that in manila (and other services?) extensions were not version-able, by tradition. | 16:35 |
| DuncanT | xyang: We just change the internal implementation of the current CG calls but keep them | 16:35 |
| e0ne | DuncanT: fair enough | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | It anyone reads the logs and has input, please ping me. | 16:35 |
| xyang | hemna: DuncanT: we can do that too. not sure if microversion on top of that will make it better or worse | 16:36 |
| hemna | scottda, ok that's a different problem :) | 16:36 |
| scottda | IMO, we should be able to version extensions. | 16:36 |
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| e0ne | scottda: +1 | 16:36 |
| smcginnis | scottda: Is there a reason we can't? | 16:36 |
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| hemna | well | 16:36 |
| scottda | also IMO, things that are not supported by everyone should remain extensions. | 16:36 |
| DuncanT | Just get rid of extensions IMO | 16:36 |
| hemna | so, I guess it depends on what you mean by version | 16:37 |
| sheel | DuncanT: +1 | 16:37 |
| scottda | smcginnis: No, there is not any reason we cannot | 16:37 |
| hemna | microversions are changes to the Cinder API | 16:37 |
| xyang | scottda: I just checked with bswartz and and cknight and they said there is no real reason not to version extension | 16:37 |
| hemna | extensions aren't part of the cinder API proper | 16:37 |
| DuncanT | You can' tell from the outside if they're extensions or not | 16:37 |
| hemna | it's a grey area | 16:37 |
| xyang | it’s just that all extension APIs in Manila have been moved to core | 16:37 |
| hemna | DuncanT, true | 16:37 |
| geguileo | hemna: But they are part of the Cinder API from the user's perspective | 16:37 |
| DuncanT | geguileo: +1 | 16:37 |
| DuncanT | THis internal split between core and extension is entirely crazy and meaningless | 16:38 |
| hemna | DuncanT, +1 | 16:38 |
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| hemna | I don't see the point of the extensions really | 16:38 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: I remember conversations in the past about getting rid of them. | 16:38 |
| geguileo | DuncanT: +1 | 16:38 |
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| DuncanT | smcginnis Yup | 16:38 |
| hemna | the cinderclient has to expose them | 16:38 |
| hemna | and yet, they can theoretically get disabled on the cinder side | 16:38 |
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| hemna | confusion ensues | 16:38 |
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| sheel | for reference https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/move-cinder-extensions-to-core | 16:38 |
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| dulek | We have extensions call, which actually lists what is an extension and what's not. Only names, not endpoints however… | 16:39 |
| scottda | Are there deployers who disable extensions? I would think some might... | 16:39 |
| guitarzan | scottda: yes, but you can do the same thing with policy | 16:39 |
| DuncanT | We used to in public cloud, but not HOS | 16:39 |
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| bswartz | oh crap I forgot about meeting | 16:39 |
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| dulek | guitarzan: Oh, right, CGs are disabled also by policies… | 16:39 |
| guitarzan | it doesn't really matter if internally they're extensions or not | 16:39 |
| xyang | bswartz: your name was called:) | 16:40 |
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| guitarzan | on the other hand, we also have some of our own admin-y extensions | 16:40 |
| DuncanT | bswartz: The most interesting bit is still happening | 16:40 |
| guitarzan | so extension functionality is super important | 16:40 |
| sheel | smcginnis: conversation link for movement of extensions https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/move-cinder-extensions-to-core | 16:40 |
| scottda | OK, so one think might be getting that review in, and allowing a microversion...another would be getting rid of extensions (which is a large bit of work).\ | 16:40 |
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| geguileo | scottda: +1 | 16:40 |
| DuncanT | guitarzan: Allowing vendors to add extensions seems worth keeping, but getting rid of all the in-tree ones makes sense | 16:40 |
| sheel | for now we should microversion them and later on we can move to core | 16:40 |
| guitarzan | DuncanT: sure, I don't care at all where the in tree code lives | 16:41 |
| smcginnis | sheel: Thanks, that was above. :) | 16:41 |
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| bswartz | DuncanT: you just said was I was going to say | 16:41 |
| scottda | If we are going to move to core (later), we should definately microversion now. | 16:41 |
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| guitarzan | extension vs "core api" doesn't matter at all | 16:41 |
| hemna | I think it's useful to have the extensions plumbing in place, so others can add their custom stuffs to Cinder for their deployment. But stuff that gets checked into the cinder codebase seems to make sense to make part of core. | 16:41 |
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| smcginnis | guitarzan: Very good points. | 16:41 |
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| geguileo | hemna: I agree | 16:41 |
| e0ne | hemna: +1 | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | hemna: Yeah, that makes sense to me. | 16:42 |
| guitarzan | that being said, changing the routes for all of these calls might not make sense | 16:42 |
| guitarzan | because you can't *not* support the old routes anyway | 16:42 |
| DuncanT | We should keep a dummy extension in tree to keep the plumbing tested and testable | 16:42 |
| hemna | personally, all of the routing and the API+extensions structure is horribly confusing and painful to navigate | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: Yes! | 16:42 |
| scottda | OK. Is there any controversy here? Current reviews/code that is in an extension could/should be microversioned....Moving extensions to core would come later (with a lot of work to code/review/test) | 16:43 |
| hemna | DuncanT, yah that's basically what I think too. | 16:43 |
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| DuncanT | scottda: I'm fine with that plan in either order. | 16:43 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: That is a good idea. | 16:43 |
| geguileo | scottda: No controversy on my part :-) | 16:43 |
| DuncanT | I think bswartz was of the opinion/experience that moving into core was fairly easy and mechanical (which is what I'd expect) | 16:44 |
| jungleboyj | scottda: I think that makes sense. | 16:44 |
| scottda | OK, thanks. The main goal was to get past that CG API review.. | 16:44 |
| scottda | DuncanT: I've looked at it. Simple, but not easy. It's a lot of code. | 16:44 |
| DuncanT | But adding the version stuff before they're moved has no downsides I can see | 16:44 |
| bswartz | yeah once you have microversions, you can safely move extensions into core -- old clients can continue to use extensions but new clients can use core APIs | 16:45 |
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| smcginnis | Anything else... | 16:46 |
| scottda | smcginnis: Nope | 16:46 |
| diablo_rojo | don't think so | 16:47 |
| smcginnis | Thanks. | 16:47 |
| smcginnis | GOing once... | 16:47 |
| smcginnis | Going twice... | 16:47 |
| smcginnis | Thanks everyone! | 16:47 |
| geguileo | Thanks | 16:47 |
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| diablo_rojo | Thanks smcginnis :) | 16:47 |
| e0ne | see you next week | 16:47 |
| wilson-l | thanks | 16:47 |
| smcginnis | #endmeeting | 16:47 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 1 16:47:40 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:47 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-06-01-16.00.html | 16:47 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-06-01-16.00.txt | 16:47 |
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| jungleboyj | Thanks! | 16:47 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-06-01-16.00.log.html | 16:47 |
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| krtaylor | #startmeeting ironic_qa | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 1 17:00:45 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krtaylor. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ironic_qa)" | 17:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic_qa' | 17:00 |
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| vdrok | o/ | 17:00 |
| rpioso | \o | 17:00 |
| TheJulia | o/ | 17:01 |
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| krtaylor | hi everyone, I'm hosting again this week, jlvillal is out today | 17:01 |
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| rloo | hi | 17:01 |
| krtaylor | The agenda is at: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic-QA | 17:01 |
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| rajinir | o/ | 17:02 |
| cdearborn | o/ | 17:02 |
| krtaylor | not much change in the agenda from last week | 17:02 |
| krtaylor | #topic Announcements | 17:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: ironic_qa)" | 17:02 | |
| krtaylor | so does anyone have any announcements? | 17:02 |
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| thiagop | I have about OneView CI | 17:03 |
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| krtaylor | thiagop, the floor is yours | 17:03 |
| thiagop | is it here or on the Third Party topic? | 17:03 |
| sambetts | o/ | 17:03 |
| krtaylor | if specific to CI, lets do it there | 17:03 |
| thiagop | right :) | 17:03 |
| * jroll is late but hear | 17:04 | |
| * jroll is here, even | 17:04 | |
| krtaylor | hehheh | 17:04 |
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| krtaylor | well if none, lets move on | 17:04 |
| krtaylor | #topic Grenade | 17:04 |
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| krtaylor | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-newton-grenade-whiteboard | 17:04 |
| krtaylor | anyone have status? remaining fixes? | 17:05 |
| rloo | i added the current status for today. | 17:05 |
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| rloo | did we drop the ball on reviewing the patches? | 17:05 |
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| rloo | the 8 patches from last week didn't get merged yet :-( | 17:06 |
| krtaylor | yeah, looks like those same 8 are stuck | 17:06 |
| * jroll promises to review soon | 17:06 | |
| rloo | does anyone know ? | 17:06 |
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| * rloo feels bad too | 17:06 | |
| jroll | I haven't actually checked if they're getting reviews | 17:06 |
| vdrok | there is one more to ironicclient | 17:06 |
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| vdrok | will add it to whiteboard | 17:06 |
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| rloo | vdrok: link? please add to whiteboard. thx. | 17:06 |
| thiagop | I'll try to get some on my queue too, although I'm not core | 17:06 |
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| rloo | cores aren't magical. everyone can review. | 17:07 |
| sambetts | myself, and Vasyl have been working to try and fix the source problems of some of the patches we've had to write to make grenade work, e.g. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323851/ | 17:07 |
| vdrok | yeah ^^ | 17:07 |
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| rloo | sambetts: so if that works, we don't need some of the other patches? is it clear which patches won't be needed, or whatever? | 17:07 |
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| rloo | sambetts: I mean, what do you think reviewers should be reviewing? | 17:08 |
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| krtaylor | can we just abandon unneeded patches (if any) ? | 17:09 |
| sambetts | rloo: I need to update the commit message with more info and closes-bug etc, but hopfully with that patch (we're working to prove it works right now) we shouldn't need to do the extra reboots of nova compute during our upgrade process | 17:09 |
| thiagop | rloo: are you sure cores aren't magical? :) | 17:09 |
| krtaylor | cool | 17:09 |
| rloo | sambetts: cool. | 17:09 |
| vdrok | but these extra reboots are already merged | 17:09 |
| rloo | thiagop: i can only speak for myself :D | 17:09 |
| krtaylor | hehheh | 17:09 |
| vdrok | so it's not going to reduce the number of patches to review :( | 17:09 |
| rloo | vdrok: ok, got it. so if this new patch works, you'd undo the one that does the reboot. | 17:10 |
| vdrok | ++ | 17:10 |
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| sambetts | :'(, I'm going to try and look through the remaining ones and attempt to work out if there are more problems we can solve without bandaids | 17:10 |
| thiagop | suggestion: keep patches that should be reviewed on top on the whiteboard | 17:10 |
| jroll | they are | 17:10 |
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| krtaylor | ok, so patch review everyone! | 17:11 |
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| rloo | so there are two sets of patches. the first set to get ironic grenade working. | 17:11 |
| rloo | then another set for ironic grenade to work with other projects | 17:11 |
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| rloo | what's the difference? | 17:12 |
| rloo | it actually sez 'to fix ironic grenade to various projects' | 17:12 |
| vdrok | rloo, second section can be removed I think, it's history | 17:12 |
| jroll | I think they're the same list | 17:12 |
| jroll | yeah | 17:12 |
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| rloo | OH! i'll go through later then and actually LOOK at them and clean it up :) | 17:12 |
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| krtaylor | anything else for grenade? | 17:13 |
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| rloo | did we discuss last week, once these patches are in. then what? | 17:13 |
| jroll | then we make the jobs non-voting, and shortly after voting | 17:14 |
| rloo | jroll: ok | 17:14 |
| rloo | and then we add more to the testing? like do we need something for multitenant networking? | 17:14 |
| vdrok | as for this nova thing with deletion in ironic virt driver, are we going to do something about it? | 17:14 |
| jroll | we need to make sure multitenant networking passes grenade :) | 17:14 |
| rloo | jroll: ok, so nothing new to be added, just that the code changes will pass. | 17:15 |
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| jroll | I'm not sure about testing the switch to multitenant from flat | 17:15 |
| jroll | yeah | 17:15 |
| jroll | vdrok: the ML thing? | 17:15 |
| rloo | jroll: thx | 17:15 |
| vdrok | yep | 17:15 |
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| jroll | I kind of liek sean's suggestion there | 17:15 |
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| rloo | is this the cleaning/resource avail issue? | 17:16 |
| jroll | yes | 17:16 |
| * jroll still needs to reply there | 17:16 | |
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| krtaylor | anything else for grenade? | 17:17 |
| vdrok | seems that's all :) | 17:17 |
| jroll | well | 17:17 |
| rloo | here's the ML link: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/096125.html | 17:18 |
| jroll | do other people like the suggestion of a separate cleaning test (probably without nova)? | 17:18 |
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| rloo | jroll: yes, we should have separate test | 17:18 |
| jroll | or should we continue on ML | 17:18 |
| jroll | yay | 17:18 |
| rloo | well, we should continue on ML. | 17:18 |
| jroll | k | 17:18 |
| vdrok | jroll, btw, I think vsaienko asked about an experimental job for cleaning and infra said no | 17:19 |
| rloo | is that blocking anything vdrok? | 17:19 |
| vdrok | nope, not right now | 17:19 |
| jroll | vdrok: well, that's a test that uses the normal tests with nova but enables cleaning | 17:19 |
| rloo | vdrok: ok, just the nova tempest tests fail when ironic is enabled. | 17:19 |
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| jroll | I'd like us to separate the jobs for the "nova scenario tests" from the "ironic api tests" | 17:20 |
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| jroll | have only one or two of the nova tests, and ironic api tests can cover most of the driver differences and such | 17:20 |
| vdrok | jroll, ah, gotcha | 17:20 |
| * jroll will write this up | 17:20 | |
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| krtaylor | ok, anything else for grenade? :) | 17:21 |
| jroll | we can probably move on :) | 17:21 |
| rloo | ++ | 17:22 |
| krtaylor | #topic Functional testing | 17:22 |
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| krtaylor | not much movement here, anyone? | 17:22 |
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| jroll | so we haven't really worked on / talked about this for a while, seems people aren't very interested | 17:22 |
| jroll | can we just drop it? :) | 17:22 |
| rloo | do we want functional tests? | 17:22 |
| krtaylor | yes, but agree that it is a lower priority | 17:22 |
| thiagop | Maybe we can put it back on the list when this work starts | 17:22 |
| krtaylor | ++ | 17:23 |
| krtaylor | I'll nuke it for now | 17:23 |
| rloo | so no work has been done wrt functional tests? | 17:23 |
| jroll | if we split out the api test jobs, those become very close to the same thing | 17:23 |
| vdrok | we have tests for client which basically trigger our API, maybe they can be considered as functional for ironic too? :) | 17:23 |
| krtaylor | jroll, agreed, and a great start | 17:23 |
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| krtaylor | vdrok, didn't you have a patch proposing that? | 17:24 |
| vdrok | krtaylor, not sure what you mean, we have a bunch of them here - https://github.com/openstack/python-ironicclient/tree/master/ironicclient/tests/functional | 17:24 |
| thiagop | jroll: food for thought: we want it on tempest api tests or inside ironic (ironic/tests/functional)? | 17:24 |
| jroll | thiagop: /shrug? | 17:25 |
| jroll | idk | 17:25 |
| jroll | I haven't thought much about these | 17:25 |
| thiagop | We don't have to decide it now | 17:25 |
| vdrok | thiagop, I think the idea is to do it without devstack and all the other things, just ironic rabbit and DB | 17:25 |
| krtaylor | right, anyway, we can probably move on | 17:25 |
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| krtaylor | #topic 3rd party CI | 17:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "3rd party CI (Meeting topic: ironic_qa)" | 17:26 | |
| krtaylor | thiagop, you had a question? | 17:26 |
| thiagop | announcement: OneView CI is on a new infra (using puppet-openstackci) | 17:27 |
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| thiagop | reduced 65% in testing time | 17:27 |
| krtaylor | yes! | 17:28 |
| jroll | yay | 17:28 |
| thiagop | That should help, but we still need to work on the full deploy test | 17:28 |
| sambetts | wow?! | 17:28 |
| jroll | does it not deploy an instance yet? | 17:28 |
| krtaylor | what is your bottleneck? | 17:28 |
| rloo | so what is the amount of time now? | 17:28 |
| thiagop | The previous infra were deploying, but the new one is on the cloud | 17:28 |
| thiagop | we need to find out how to do the pipes to use real blades there | 17:29 |
| thiagop | the power and management tests were running in about 2hs, now in 45min | 17:29 |
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| rloo | thiagop: wow! | 17:30 |
| krtaylor | please document what you did to optimize, btw, we also reduced time a bunch by caching | 17:30 |
| jroll | nice | 17:30 |
| thiagop | (our previus devstack script really sucked...) | 17:30 |
| krtaylor | thats similar to our time, great! | 17:30 |
| sambetts | \o/ I'd love to hear the optimizations my full tempest run takes 1hr 30 | 17:30 |
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| sambetts | (full tempest being Ironic tempest) | 17:31 |
| sambetts | :-P | 17:31 |
| thiagop | Next sprint will be interesting | 17:31 |
| krtaylor | ? | 17:31 |
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| thiagop | our spring, I mean | 17:31 |
| thiagop | sprint* | 17:31 |
| thiagop | (3 weeks) | 17:31 |
| krtaylor | ah | 17:31 |
| rloo | thiagop: you mean your internal/downstream sprint? | 17:32 |
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| thiagop | rloo: yes. We are targetting to have pipes + Ironic tempest in the beginning of July | 17:33 |
| thiagop | so we can kill the old infra completely | 17:33 |
| rloo | thiagop: :) | 17:33 |
| thiagop | me -> done; Thanks krtaylor | 17:34 |
| krtaylor | thiagop, cool, thanks for the status! | 17:34 |
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| krtaylor | so, I also wanted to bring up the email thread about a wiki problem found by folks wanting to change the state in the third party driver table, if you have a problem, let me now and I'll change it for you | 17:35 |
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| thiagop | ack | 17:36 |
| krtaylor | it seems it is a problem for member that havn't been around very long | 17:36 |
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| krtaylor | the wiki registration was shut down to protect from bots, so let me know, I'll be happy to keep it updated | 17:36 |
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| krtaylor | alright, anything else CI related? | 17:37 |
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| krtaylor | #topic Open Discussion | 17:37 |
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| krtaylor | I'll give everyone a couple of minutes, else close meeting at 40 after | 17:39 |
| thiagop | Are we moving out of the wiki or just consolidating info for now? | 17:40 |
| krtaylor | plan is to move into documentation | 17:40 |
| krtaylor | I have started the draft for that | 17:40 |
| thiagop | right | 17:40 |
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| krtaylor | hope to push a patch for docs very soon | 17:40 |
| krtaylor | it will start small, but we can go from there | 17:41 |
| krtaylor | anything else? | 17:42 |
| krtaylor | thanks everyone, good meeting | 17:42 |
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| jroll | thanks :) | 17:42 |
| krtaylor | #endmeeting | 17:43 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 17:43 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 1 17:43:15 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:43 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2016/ironic_qa.2016-06-01-17.00.html | 17:43 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2016/ironic_qa.2016-06-01-17.00.txt | 17:43 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2016/ironic_qa.2016-06-01-17.00.log.html | 17:43 |
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| notmyname | swift team meeting time | 21:00 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 1 21:00:21 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
| notmyname | who's here for the swift team meeting? | 21:00 |
| mattoliverau | o/ | 21:00 |
| bkeller` | o/ | 21:00 |
| ntata | hello | 21:00 |
| joeljwright | hey | 21:00 |
| jrichli | hello | 21:00 |
| dmorita | hi | 21:00 |
| hosanai | o/ | 21:00 |
| cutforth | o/ !buenos dias! | 21:00 |
| timburke | hi | 21:00 |
| pdardeau | o/ | 21:00 |
| kmARC | hi | 21:00 |
| tdasilva | eu | 21:00 |
| sgundur1 | hi | 21:00 |
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| mmotiani | hi | 21:00 |
| mmotiani | o/ | 21:01 |
| cschwede | o/ | 21:01 |
| gmmaha | o/ | 21:01 |
| mathiasb | hi | 21:01 |
| notmyname | welcome everyone. good group today :-) | 21:01 |
| acoles | here | 21:01 |
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| torgomatic | woo | 21:01 |
| notmyname | agenda is at | 21:01 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:01 |
| notmyname | I want to skip around just a bit to put the cschwede things up front (it's latest for him, I think) | 21:02 |
| kota_ | hello | 21:02 |
| notmyname | #topic rolling upgrade tests update | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rolling upgrade tests update (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:02 | |
| cschwede | notmyname: oh, thx a lot! :) | 21:02 |
| notmyname | cschwede: first up is status on the rolling upgrades tests. seems there was some conversation yesterday | 21:02 |
| hurricanerix | \o/ | 21:03 |
| notmyname | cschwede: anything blocking on our side or that you need help with here? | 21:03 |
| cschwede | not much news here, rebased and answered a few comments this morning, test passes, failures are not related to my patch (IMO) | 21:03 |
| cschwede | no, thx, nothing to do right (except getting reviews) | 21:03 |
| notmyname | ok, thanks for patiently workign on that | 21:03 |
| notmyname | #topic translation bugs | 21:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "translation bugs (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:03 | |
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| notmyname | cschwede: last week you volunteered to look in to tests that would find translation issues | 21:04 |
| notmyname | eg https://bugs.launchpad.net/swift/+bug/1580678 | 21:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1580678 in OpenStack Object Storage (swift) "UnicodeDecodeError when rebalancing a ring" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Christian Schwede (cschwede) | 21:04 |
| cschwede | that was fun… i have a patch with some improved tests, as well as a fix for the issue itself: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323950/ | 21:04 |
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| notmyname | great | 21:04 |
| notmyname | side note, why do we have a nonvoting neutron test in our gate again? | 21:05 |
| notmyname | something to look in to later | 21:05 |
| acoles | cschwede: thanks | 21:05 |
| notmyname | cschwede: ok, so with patch 323950 we need reviews? | 21:05 |
| patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323950/ - swift - Refactor locale tests and unicode issue | 21:05 |
| cschwede | yes, please | 21:05 |
| notmyname | thanks for working on this | 21:06 |
| notmyname | cschwede: anything else to bring up on this for this week? | 21:06 |
| cschwede | you’re welcome! | 21:06 |
| cschwede | notmyname: not from my side, thx | 21:06 |
| notmyname | great. any questions from anyone else for cschwede? | 21:07 |
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| notmyname | #topic crypto update | 21:08 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "crypto update (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:08 | |
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| notmyname | looks like good progress this week | 21:08 |
| notmyname | acoles: jrichli: where are we today? | 21:08 |
| notmyname | #link https://trello.com/b/63l5zQhq/swift-encryption | 21:08 |
| notmyname | the todo list is very short now | 21:08 |
| acoles | similar to last week...still need some reviews to land final patches on feature/crypto, the priority list is up to date https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Swift/PriorityReviews | 21:09 |
| acoles | there is nothing on the todo list that stops us moving to crypto-review imo, just the outstanding reviews | 21:09 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:09 |
| notmyname | since -infra will need an actual SHA from which to base a crypto-review branch (and because it's historically been a very simple, fast process) I'll get that set up as soon as we have these patches landed | 21:10 |
| acoles | with one exception perhaps, the more I hae worked on the code the more I have become uncomfortable with the interface to the keymaster (the callback) | 21:10 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:11 |
| acoles | but I'll put together a patch for us to discuss any change there | 21:11 |
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| acoles | notmyname: is that a SHA from master? | 21:11 |
| notmyname | yes | 21:11 |
| notmyname | acoles: it doesn't matter too much as long as we avoid obvious merge conflicts | 21:12 |
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| notmyname | eg if we're pretty certain there aren't any patches that will land on master that will cause a conflict, we could do it for master HEAD now. | 21:12 |
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| acoles | k. what about conflicts that happen after we start the release branch - we merge from master to crypto-review and rebase? | 21:13 |
| notmyname | on these 4 listed patches, what are you looking for? if they come in with the crypto_review branch, they'll be reviewed there. do you need in-depth review now, or can they go ahead and land these 4 as long as they're "reasonably good" | 21:13 |
| notmyname | acoles: we do our best to avoid landing stuff that would cause a conflict :-) | 21:14 |
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| acoles | notmyname: I have been wondering exactly that, whether I land the remaining patches and we take it up on crypto-review | 21:14 |
| acoles | notmyname: there is an issue that tdasilva spotted on https://review.openstack.org/320579 that we should resolve | 21:15 |
| tdasilva | acoles: yeah, i was wondering if that would need a fix on master? | 21:15 |
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| acoles | tdasilva: both I think, on master the req.etag thing should be fixed (or removed), on crypto we need to do the right thing with the override headers. starting point is a test for a ranged copy if we don't have one already | 21:17 |
| tdasilva | acoles: agree | 21:17 |
| clayg | ranged copy is crazy | 21:17 |
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| notmyname | tdasilva: are you looking at a ranged copy test? | 21:18 |
| acoles | notmyname: let's give it a day or so, try to sort that ^^ and hopefully get some more reviews | 21:18 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:18 |
| clayg | I think webdav defined COPY verb - i wonder if they have any words on how to reject COPY requests with a Range header? | 21:18 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: haven't started yet, but I can start looking after this... | 21:18 |
| notmyname | acoles: and think on the "land if reasonable" for the rest of them. it would be wonderful to have a start on the for-review patch chain by the end of the week | 21:19 |
| acoles | tdasilva: I made a simple change to functional.tests.TestFile.testCopy locally | 21:19 |
| acoles | notmyname: sure, there's likely some I can just land, cleanup stuff, tests etc | 21:20 |
| notmyname | anything else about crypto from anyone? | 21:20 |
| acoles | clayg: ack. maybe we should start to reject them. | 21:20 |
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| kota_ | acoles, clayg: if we would start to reject it, does slo range work? | 21:22 |
| clayg | kota_: seems orthogonal | 21:22 |
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| torgomatic | it'd still work; a ranged GET will work, just a ranged COPY wouldn't | 21:22 |
| clayg | acoles: if there is a reasonable and useful defined behavior that's implementable I'm not against having them - but as a client it's not obvious to me what I'd be requesting? | 21:22 |
| kota_ | clayg: ok, probably, I should look at the problem more deeply. | 21:23 |
| clayg | kota_: you and me both brother! | 21:23 |
| clayg | I was just throwing stuff out there - not doing a thing has to be easier than doing a thing - well maybe not... dunno | 21:23 |
| torgomatic | agreed; it started out as a thing that nobody explicitly coded up but happened to do something seemingly sane, but then you get into the edge cases... | 21:23 |
| timburke | clayg: ranged copies make sense enough: apply range to source, copy to destination | 21:24 |
| clayg | torgomatic: some part of the http spec says you can just ignore range headers right? | 21:24 |
| clayg | ... as a server | 21:24 |
| clayg | timburke: and for multi-range? | 21:24 |
| clayg | timburke: you want a mime document? | 21:24 |
| torgomatic | clayg: yeah, you can... the spec also says they're only for GET requests :) | 21:24 |
| clayg | torgomatic: BOOM! | 21:24 |
| kota_ | timburke: does swift3 use ranged copy? | 21:24 |
| torgomatic | of course, the spec doesn't contain the COPY verb anywhere, so we're sort of on our own there | 21:24 |
| timburke | clayg: well, yeah, that part's stupid. which is probably part of why S3 limits copies to a single range | 21:25 |
| notmyname | I was about to say "let's think on it for next week", but torgomatic just dropped the rfc bomb on us | 21:25 |
| timburke | kota_: yep, but only for multipart upload parts | 21:25 |
| kota_ | timburke: I don't have clear memory but I brought COPY range discussion seeing your patch. | 21:25 |
| acoles | IIRC we had this discussion before and kota added some doc or comment somewhere to flag up that we used the Range header on non-GETs | 21:25 |
| * torgomatic is helping, maybe? | 21:25 | |
| clayg | timburke: S3 supports it is probably not the worse as signal as anything that clients have a use-case for it :D | 21:25 |
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| clayg | timburke: didn't realize S3 had ranged copy requests - i'll try to dig up the docs | 21:26 |
| timburke | torgomatic: if we just look at the spec, we should probably just reject all COPY requests :P | 21:26 |
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| torgomatic | technically correct is the best kind of correct! ;) | 21:26 |
| notmyname | it seems like there's more reading and thinking to be done about this | 21:26 |
| notmyname | so I'll add it as a topic for next week, and we'll come back with new thinking | 21:27 |
| timburke | clayg: see http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AmazonS3/latest/API/mpUploadUploadPartCopy.html#mpUploadUploadPartCopy-requests-request-headers | 21:27 |
| clayg | timburke: server-side copy is obviously useful - you're being snarky - but having a ill defined api is not helpful to clients | 21:27 |
| clayg | timburke: see being helpful is nice! | 21:27 |
| notmyname | let's move on | 21:28 |
| notmyname | #topic pyeclib/liberasurecode status | 21:28 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "pyeclib/liberasurecode status (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:28 | |
| notmyname | tdasilva: I think status is "done" right? | 21:28 |
| notmyname | everythign migrated | 21:28 |
| notmyname | new releases tagged | 21:28 |
| acoles | we at least pop the Range header for a post-as-copy :) | 21:28 |
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| tdasilva | everything migrated and we have a new release, but I"m still working on gate jobs | 21:29 |
| notmyname | need to put some words in bitbucket, but that's it | 21:29 |
| notmyname | ah, ok. the gate jobs | 21:29 |
| tdasilva | yeah, we also need to figure out what to do with PR and issues on bitbutcket | 21:29 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: thanks for working on this and getting these moved | 21:29 |
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| notmyname | anything from tsg or kevin about that? | 21:29 |
| tdasilva | also zaitcev had a question on the tag so I wanted to clarify | 21:29 |
| kota_ | tdasilva: hopefully I'd like to add doc for how to contribute likely Swift does | 21:30 |
| tdasilva | previous releases had a v, like v1.1.0, openstack-infra asked to drop the v for pyeclib | 21:30 |
| tdasilva | so i dropped for liberasurecode too | 21:30 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: i have not heard from kevin or tsg, will ping them again | 21:31 |
| notmyname | ok, thanks | 21:31 |
| tdasilva | kota_: yeah, sounds good :) | 21:31 |
| notmyname | clayg: did you get everything you needed this (last?) week from those libraries? new tags/releases? | 21:31 |
| clayg | notmyname: i'm trying to build with all the new depends now - no new information - hopefully everythign is wonderful! | 21:32 |
| notmyname | I'm sure it is :-) | 21:32 |
| notmyname | #topic symlinks | 21:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "symlinks (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:32 | |
| tdasilva | on the gate jobs, i'm trying to write some custom jobs, that would build liberasurecode and then test pyeclib. I thought we could have two jobs, one that builds libEC from master and another that builds libEC from a stable tag | 21:32 |
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| notmyname | #undo | 21:32 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Topic object at 0x7f2dd3b0ea10> | 21:32 |
| notmyname | cool | 21:33 |
| tdasilva | does that sounds like a sane plan? | 21:33 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: nice. I'm interested in that too, since I'm starting to look at what it takes to do basically the same thing with golang | 21:33 |
| torgomatic | someone should put a __unicode__ on that Topic object | 21:33 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: ok, i might ping you then cause you might already know some stuff i don'tk now | 21:33 |
| timburke | torgomatic: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/272727/ | 21:33 |
| patchbot | timburke: patch 272727 - openstack-infra/meetbot - Add __str__ methods for items | 21:33 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: thanks | 21:34 |
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| notmyname | torgomatic: of course timburke already has a patch for it | 21:34 |
| tdasilva | lol | 21:34 |
| notmyname | #topic symlinks | 21:34 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "symlinks (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:34 | |
| notmyname | tdasilva: did I mistakenly leave this on the agenda for this week? | 21:34 |
| notmyname | or is there new stuff to discuss? | 21:34 |
| tdasilva | i think so | 21:34 |
| tdasilva | no updates | 21:34 |
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| notmyname | ok :-) | 21:35 |
| tdasilva | unless somebody wants to ask something | 21:35 |
| notmyname | #topic patch 317475 | 21:35 |
| patchbot | notmyname: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317475/ - swift - Send correct size in POST async update for EC object | 21:35 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "patch 317475 (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:35 | |
| notmyname | looks like kota_ just approved this, so that's great | 21:35 |
| kota_ | \o/ | 21:35 |
| acoles | thanks kota_ and timburke | 21:35 |
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| notmyname | #topic other | 21:35 |
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| notmyname | a couple of general updates | 21:36 |
| notmyname | golang discussion has mostly stopped on the ML, from what I can see | 21:36 |
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| notmyname | next week's tuesday TC meetign will take it up again | 21:36 |
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| notmyname | today I'm feeling ok with the current state of the conversation | 21:36 |
| notmyname | in other news, yesterday the TC approved a resolution that says that defcore tests must live in tempest (not a tempest plugin | 21:37 |
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| pdardeau | boo! | 21:37 |
| notmyname | this means that our in-tree tests cannot be used to validate something calling itself "swift" is actually swift or not | 21:37 |
| hurricanerix | notmyname are they going to maintain them? | 21:37 |
| notmyname | hurricanerix: yes, by definition, since the QA team is the only one with +2 access | 21:38 |
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| notmyname | so any tests that can validate a defcore defined capability must be reimplemented in tempest | 21:38 |
| notmyname | there was an email just a few minutes ago about this, from the defcore team | 21:38 |
| cschwede | hurricanerix: that shouldn’t stop us from submitting improved tests (if required) | 21:38 |
| mattoliverau | So we can submit a big patch to tempest with all our tests ;P | 21:38 |
| notmyname | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-June/096417.html | 21:39 |
| notmyname | cschwede: right | 21:39 |
| notmyname | mattoliverau: probably not ;-) | 21:39 |
| ntata | :( | 21:39 |
| hurricanerix | cschwede just now we have to watch two repos to make sure the tests they create are correct. | 21:39 |
| hurricanerix | what happens if we fix a bug, and it causes their tests to fail =) | 21:40 |
| tdasilva | but a test in tempest is not necessarily a "defcore test" is that correct? | 21:40 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: correct | 21:40 |
| tdasilva | hurricanerix: or vice versa | 21:40 |
| cschwede | hurricanerix: well, tempest already has swift tests for a long time - someone had to fix them anyways | 21:40 |
| notmyname | test has to be in tempest, then it can be submitted for inclusion in the defcore definition | 21:40 |
| notmyname | overall, this isn't really much of a change from the way things have been all along | 21:40 |
| tdasilva | who drives that process? | 21:41 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: the defcore subcommittee | 21:41 |
| cschwede | and it’s mostly API tests, there shouldn’t be too many changes/fixes | 21:41 |
| ntata | notmyname, who takes the initiative to make sure tests in tempest are up to date with swift code base? | 21:41 |
| clayg | hurricanerix: we shouldn't break tempest - they're a client like anyone else | 21:41 |
| clayg | if our api used to work one way and then stops its probably an indication we're doing something wrong | 21:42 |
| notmyname | yep | 21:42 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: hopefully someone from swift community is in the defcore object storage subcommittee ??? | 21:42 |
| timburke | ...as long as they aren't testing some under-specified API, like including Range headers with COPY :P | 21:42 |
| tdasilva | timburke: haha | 21:42 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: no, it's a board thing. I get pinged occasionally | 21:42 |
| clayg | timburke: YOU'RE ON FIRE! | 21:42 |
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| notmyname | actually, ntata identified the real issue. who takes initiative and keeps it up to date | 21:42 |
| notmyname | I think it's like it is now: basically some intersection of us or the tempest team. so mostly us, but we don't look at those too often | 21:43 |
| notmyname | and that's the way it will keep working | 21:43 |
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| notmyname | we're not planning on breaking anything, but there could be a lot more coverage there than there is now | 21:44 |
| hurricanerix | will we have to submit tests to tempest when new features are implemented? or will that qa/qe team do that? | 21:44 |
| notmyname | hurricanerix: likely us. I wouldn't count on the tempest team to do it | 21:44 |
| hurricanerix | so when we review things, we also have to search tempest reviews to see if there is a matching new tempest test? =) | 21:45 |
| clayg | hurricanerix: you and timburke are like peas in a pod today | 21:45 |
| notmyname | hurricanerix: no. no more than you do today | 21:45 |
| tdasilva | yeah, and then there's also interesting stuff like this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/272062/ | 21:45 |
| patchbot | tdasilva: patch 272062 - tempest - Fix checks for content length in object storage te... | 21:45 |
| clayg | tdasilva: is that sill going!? | 21:45 |
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| notmyname | so if you want to read all about it, you can see it at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312718/ (including my opposition). | 21:46 |
| patchbot | notmyname: patch 312718 - governance - add resolution explaining which tests we think def... (MERGED) | 21:46 |
| tdasilva | clayg: not sure, patch was last updated 13 days ago | 21:46 |
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| notmyname | last thing I wanted to bring up this week was a crazy idea I had last night. right now we normally want 2 +2s on a patch and sometimes are ok with 1 +2. it's a social norm. what if we swapped that? normally be fine with 1 +2 and sometimes get 2 +2s. would that help people feel better about the speed of progress and the ability to get stuff to happen? | 21:48 |
| notmyname | it's something I wanted to bounce off of people and maybe get people to think about | 21:48 |
| notmyname | but not something I wanted to make a decision on today | 21:49 |
| cschwede | hmm, for many patches i really like to see 2 +2s - that’s a great level of confidence for things that could break clusters at night… | 21:49 |
| clayg | notmyname: second set of eyes is good - almost always | 21:49 |
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| mattoliverau | yeah, will need to think about that. I like we can 1 +2 on obvious things, but 2 x +2 means 2 sets of eyes are looking and finding things the other missed... ok I mean I missed :) | 21:50 |
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| clayg | notmyname: to my knowledge no one has ever been "repremanded" for a +A you're the first +2 - so folks judgement seems to be working there | 21:50 |
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| clayg | notmyname: I would suggest we continue to encourage folks to +A when appropriate | 21:50 |
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| tdasilva | notmyname: in your data crunching, have you found that what slows down reviews is the second +2 or the first? | 21:51 |
| clayg | reprimanded - that's a weird word | 21:51 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: that's a good question, and I haven't | 21:51 |
| acoles | +2/-1 from two cores is not infrequent, and reassures me of the value of review | 21:51 |
| cschwede | only small things (typos, docs maybe, addons to tests without other modifications and similar things) should require one +2 - IMO | 21:51 |
| clayg | notmyname: i like your out of the box thinking tho! | 21:51 |
| clayg | but basically - we're all scardy cats :D | 21:52 |
| mattoliverau | lol | 21:52 |
| notmyname | heh | 21:52 |
| joeljwright | I don't need that kind of pressure!! | 21:52 |
| acoles | clayg: yeah, there's nowhere to hide if you solo +A ;) | 21:52 |
| joeljwright | :) | 21:52 |
| clayg | rofl | 21:52 |
| clayg | acoles: share the blame baby! | 21:52 |
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| notmyname | yeah, that's how I expected everyone to react :-) | 21:52 |
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| clayg | but seriosuly - +A when appropriate | 21:52 |
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| mattoliverau | notmyname was just checking we we're all listening :P | 21:52 |
| acoles | how about 3 +2's ?? :P | 21:52 |
| tdasilva | notmyname: I could swear we had this convo some time back | 21:52 |
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| notmyname | yeah, I agree that the second +2 is very nice. but also I think that we don't +A simple things as often as we could and most of the time there's a 2nd +2 with no disagreement | 21:53 |
| notmyname | tdasilva: yeah, maybe so | 21:53 |
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| acoles | tdasilva: it's notmyname's way of reminding us to do our jobs ;) | 21:53 |
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| tdasilva | lol | 21:53 |
| clayg | acoles: everyon must +2 everything daly - the beatins will continue until merge rate improves | 21:53 |
| notmyname | heh, ok. like I said, just a conversation starter :-) | 21:54 |
| joeljwright | clayg: :D | 21:54 |
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| notmyname | tdasilva shared this with me earlier today. it's really interesting in light of our global community and how we normally think and interact. good stuff to read https://hbr.org/2015/12/getting-to-si-ja-oui-hai-and-da | 21:54 |
| notmyname | anything else from anyone this week? | 21:55 |
| clayg | notmyname: let's track "time from +2 to +A" independently as something we'd like to improve - and +2 to -1 as a reminder why the second +2 matters? | 21:55 |
| notmyname | clayg: I can do that :-) | 21:55 |
| acoles | quick fyi there is a proposal to add a non-voting functional test job that uses keystone with only v3 API , patch 313659 | 21:55 |
| patchbot | acoles: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313659/ - openstack-infra/project-config - Run Swift functional tests in Identity v3-only | 21:55 |
| acoles | I anticipate it will pass, I think swift tests already only use the v3 API | 21:56 |
| acoles | it's aprt of a cross-project effort to finally deprecate the v2 API | 21:57 |
| notmyname | that's good to know | 21:57 |
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| notmyname | so if nothing else... | 21:57 |
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| notmyname | thanks for coming everyone. keep up the great work on swift | 21:58 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 21:58 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 1 21:58:18 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2016/swift.2016-06-01-21.00.html | 21:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2016/swift.2016-06-01-21.00.txt | 21:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2016/swift.2016-06-01-21.00.log.html | 21:58 |
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