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| aspiers | got to nip out for a sec - might be a few minutes late for the meeting, sorry! | 06:55 |
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| aspiers | back | 07:03 |
| haukebruno | morning aspiers | 07:03 |
| aspiers | morning haukebruno :) | 07:03 |
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| haukebruno | i'm back too :/ had a lot of private stuff the last time. sorry | 07:03 |
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| aspiers | no problem | 07:04 |
| aspiers | anyone else around? | 07:05 |
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| aspiers | bogdando maybe? :) | 07:07 |
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| aspiers | beekhof? | 07:07 |
| aspiers | #startmeeting ha | 07:07 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 13 07:07:55 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is aspiers. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 07:07 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 07:07 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ha' | 07:07 |
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| aspiers | OK, let's start anyway | 07:08 |
| samP | hi | 07:08 |
| aspiers | oh hi samP! :) | 07:08 |
| samP | sorry late response | 07:08 |
| aspiers | no problem :) | 07:08 |
| aspiers | I was late too :) | 07:08 |
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| samP | just came back after 1week+ vacation | 07:08 |
| aspiers | nice :) | 07:09 |
| aspiers | I guess the user story is a good place to start today | 07:09 |
| aspiers | #topic HA VMs user story | 07:09 |
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| aspiers | so, pretty much all my reviews got merged I think | 07:09 |
| aspiers | I also sent a mail to openstack-dev@ (cc product-wg@) about how to handle the extra usage scenarios | 07:09 |
| aspiers | but no responses yet :-/ | 07:10 |
| samP | Thanks, I read the mail | 07:10 |
| aspiers | I was thinking that we should just go ahead and rebase the existing review, and submit 4 extra user stories | 07:10 |
| aspiers | so that we have the 4 scenarios covered by 5 user stories: one for each, plus also in the existing HA VMs story, like we discussed | 07:11 |
| aspiers | does that sound OK? | 07:11 |
| haukebruno | +1 | 07:11 |
| aspiers | in fact, that could all be done within the same existing review | 07:11 |
| samP | as long as they are mentioned in the main story, I am OK with extra 4 stories | 07:12 |
| aspiers | samP: exactly | 07:12 |
| aspiers | putting them in the same review would make sense, because we would need to cross-link between the main story and the other 4 | 07:12 |
| aspiers | and also we want to minimise overlap | 07:12 |
| aspiers | so that the main story focuses on the HA-specific side | 07:12 |
| aspiers | I had another idea on this | 07:13 |
| aspiers | unfortunately only after sending the mail I realised I should have cc'd openstack-operators :-/ | 07:13 |
| aspiers | since these user stories are very strongly focused on operators | 07:13 |
| aspiers | maybe we will get more feedback that way | 07:14 |
| aspiers | should I forward my original mail to that list? | 07:14 |
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| samP | aspiers; yes I think that would be a good idea | 07:14 |
| aspiers | OK | 07:14 |
| haukebruno | also +1, I'm on that list too and I guess more feedback (in general) is always better :p | 07:14 |
| aspiers | #action aspiers to forward original user story email to openstack-operators | 07:15 |
| aspiers | I have some more small changes to submit to the main story | 07:15 |
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| aspiers | I will try to submit them this morning | 07:15 |
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| aspiers | #topic specs | 07:16 |
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| aspiers | I'm sorry I didn't make much more progress on the specs recently | 07:16 |
| aspiers | I still have a draft of the first one I am doing though | 07:16 |
| aspiers | again I hope to submit one soon | 07:16 |
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| samP | me nether, I will try to complete them this week | 07:16 |
| aspiers | I think it's pretty important to get these done soon | 07:16 |
| aspiers | as they are required for agreeing on how to proceed with code | 07:17 |
| aspiers | this week we have our team workshop in Germany, so I have limited time :-/ | 07:17 |
| aspiers | maybe in the evenings, I don't know | 07:17 |
| samP | aspiers: yes +1 | 07:17 |
| aspiers | ok | 07:17 |
| aspiers | #topic Pacemaker vs. systemd | 07:17 |
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| aspiers | I'm not sure if you saw beekhof's latest blog? | 07:18 |
| aspiers | #link http://blog.clusterlabs.org/blog/2016/next-openstack-ha-arch | 07:18 |
| aspiers | he makes some good points, but I do not agree with everything | 07:18 |
| aspiers | beekhof knows this already ;-) as I have discussed this topic with him in great detail in the past | 07:18 |
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| aspiers | personally I think it's really important to have application-level monitoring for active/active services | 07:19 |
| aspiers | otherwise for example keystone could hang, and noone would notice | 07:19 |
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| aspiers | my proposal (which I have mentioned before) is to change the OCF RAs so that they wrap service(8) | 07:19 |
| aspiers | this avoids the divergence which he mentioned in the blog, and also avoids unnecessary duplication of service config data and start/stop/restart logic | 07:20 |
| aspiers | whilst adding decent monitoring | 07:20 |
| haukebruno | I don't know about the general discussion, but yes: +1 for application-level monitoring. a running service doesn't mean a healthy service in so many cases | 07:20 |
| aspiers | I hope to write a spec on this also sometime soon, in my fictional free time | 07:20 |
| aspiers | haukebruno: exactly | 07:21 |
| samP | +1 for application-level monitoring | 07:21 |
| aspiers | I don't quite understand why he thinks avoiding divergence of HA from non-HA cases is more important than proper app-level monitoring and recovery | 07:21 |
| aspiers | he mentions nagios and sensu for monitoring, but AFAIK they won't do proper automatic recovery | 07:22 |
| aspiers | anyway, I'm sure this debate is just getting started ;-) | 07:22 |
| aspiers | #topic AOB | 07:23 |
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| aspiers | anything else anyone wants to discuss? | 07:23 |
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| aspiers | oh, I forgot one important thing! | 07:23 |
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| aspiers | #topic nova service-disable of failing nova-compute | 07:23 |
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| aspiers | samP: are you on the users@clusterlabs.org list? | 07:24 |
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| aspiers | beekhof proposed that we call nova service-disable *every* stop, not just the final one when Pacemaker won't attempt any more restarts of the resource on that node: | 07:25 |
| aspiers | #link | 07:25 |
| aspiers | oops | 07:26 |
| aspiers | #link http://clusterlabs.org/pipermail/users/2016-June/003218.html | 07:26 |
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| aspiers | oh that's unfortunate | 07:26 |
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| samP_ | sorry, cutoff from the net ;) | 07:26 |
| aspiers | no problem :) | 07:27 |
| aspiers | did you see my question? | 07:27 |
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| samP_ | sorry, no | 07:27 |
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| aspiers | beekhof proposed that we call nova service-disable *every* stop, not just the final one when Pacemaker won't attempt any more restarts of the resource on that node | 07:27 |
| aspiers | http://clusterlabs.org/pipermail/users/2016-June/003218.html | 07:27 |
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| aspiers | and it looks like the proposed new pacemaker feature won't make it into 1.1.15 now | 07:27 |
| aspiers | that's my guess anyway | 07:28 |
| aspiers | I think I'm OK with calling it every time, if you are | 07:28 |
| aspiers | this approach came from masakari, so I wanted to get your thoughts | 07:28 |
| aspiers | the service-disable would need to be called with a timeout, and any failures ignored | 07:28 |
| samP_ | does it mean, call nova service-disable before service stop at host (every time)? | 07:29 |
| aspiers | otherwise we could get fencing from a failed stop | 07:29 |
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| aspiers | samP_: yes, but also when the service fails | 07:29 |
| aspiers | samP_: since then Pacemaker will still call stop | 07:29 |
| aspiers | IIRC | 07:29 |
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| aspiers | for nova-compute I think we could set migration-threshold=1 anyway | 07:30 |
| aspiers | I'm not sure there is much benefit to trying to restart 2 or more times | 07:30 |
| aspiers | this would avoid service flapping | 07:30 |
| aspiers | what do you think? | 07:31 |
| samP_ | Its looks ok. I think this would do no harm. | 07:32 |
| haukebruno | some other flapping (network or rabbitmq maybe) could cause in "unneeded" migration, if migration-threshold=1 | 07:32 |
| aspiers | haukebruno: there is no migration in this case, because nova-compute is active/active | 07:32 |
| aspiers | haukebruno: it just means that nova-compute on that host is dead and disabled | 07:33 |
| haukebruno | can't remember the correct case now, but in the past we had a stopped nova-compute sometimes because of something (everythings works as expected, we just restarted nova-compute) | 07:33 |
| aspiers | samP_: OK, we can try it | 07:33 |
| haukebruno | ah aspiers sorry, with a/a I agree | 07:33 |
| aspiers | haukebruno: yes, in that case we definitely want to try to restart once | 07:33 |
| aspiers | but I think more than once is maybe unnecessary | 07:33 |
| haukebruno | yes | 07:34 |
| aspiers | if it takes >= 2 restart attempts to work then probably something is badly wrong anyway | 07:34 |
| aspiers | in which case we maybe can't rely on the service even if it starts correctly | 07:34 |
| aspiers | e.g. it might die again soon | 07:34 |
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| haukebruno | of course, if needed, 1 retry should be enough | 07:35 |
| aspiers | samP_: is that a change you could easily try in masakari? | 07:35 |
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| samP_ | aspiers: I can try | 07:36 |
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| aspiers | so it seems I got the meeting time wrong ... AGAIN :-( | 07:38 |
| aspiers | I think we are one hour early | 07:39 |
| aspiers | sorry, I was confused since I am currently in Germany | 07:39 |
| samP_ | Think no harm to others, cause no other meeting on Monday at 0700 UTC | 07:39 |
| aspiers | right | 07:40 |
| aspiers | luckily :) | 07:40 |
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| haukebruno | ah lol, from my calendar view the time time was correct | 07:40 |
| haukebruno | so WHAT exactly is the right time? | 07:40 |
| aspiers | but maybe bad for ddeja etc. who are expecting it in the next hour | 07:40 |
| samP_ | its 0800 UTC | 07:40 |
| aspiers | haukebruno: we changed it to 8am UTC | 07:40 |
| aspiers | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/307002/ | 07:41 |
| haukebruno | ah fucking summer-/winter time... everytime the same confusion. Ok, i'll update my calendar too | 07:41 |
| aspiers | hehe | 07:41 |
| aspiers | #topic time of meeting | 07:41 |
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| aspiers | maybe we need to change it anyway | 07:41 |
| aspiers | beekhof requested another time, since this time is impossible for him | 07:41 |
| aspiers | I will try to work out a better time for everyone | 07:42 |
| samP_ | I think we should do this discussion after 0800 UTC so, deja and others can comment | 07:42 |
| aspiers | agreed | 07:42 |
| aspiers | any earlier is difficult for me too | 07:43 |
| aspiers | #action aspiers to figure out a meeting time which works for everyone | 07:43 |
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| aspiers | haukebruno, samP_: please could you let me know which times of day/week work for you? | 07:43 |
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| samP_ | our previous time was 0900 UTC, which is 1800 in Japan (JST) was OK for me. | 07:44 |
| haukebruno | would be ok for me too | 07:44 |
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| haukebruno | in general I am ok with anything from 0400 to 2000 UTC | 07:45 |
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| aspiers | OK thanks | 07:45 |
| aspiers | I think 0900 UTC is probably also difficult for beekhof | 07:45 |
| aspiers | maybe he can do later, but I will try to find out | 07:46 |
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| samP_ | So, 0100UTC to 0900UTC would be totally OK for me. | 07:47 |
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| aspiers | samP_: OK great, thanks. I've just emailed beekhof | 07:48 |
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| aspiers | I'll announce if there are any changes | 07:49 |
| aspiers | actually, I'd just add you all as reviewers on the gerrit review :) | 07:49 |
| aspiers | then you can +1 / -1 the proposal | 07:49 |
| aspiers | #topic AOB | 07:49 |
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| aspiers | alright, I suggest we close the meeting now - we could always restart in 10 minutes for a short discussion if e.g. ddeja appears :) | 07:50 |
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| aspiers | but I'm open to other suggestions too :) | 07:50 |
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| samP_ | sure, I ll be there | 07:50 |
| haukebruno | yep. me too \o/ | 07:50 |
| aspiers | cool :) thanks guys! | 07:51 |
| aspiers | #endmeeting | 07:51 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 13 07:51:49 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 07:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/2016/ha.2016-06-13-07.07.html | 07:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/2016/ha.2016-06-13-07.07.txt | 07:51 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/2016/ha.2016-06-13-07.07.log.html | 07:51 |
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| samP_ | aspiers: For the meeting time discussion, what gerrit review you add everyone? could you pls pass the link? | 08:06 |
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| aspiers | samP_: I'm waiting for response from beekhof before submitting | 08:06 |
| aspiers | but I will add you as a reviewer when I submit | 08:07 |
| aspiers | for sure :) | 08:07 |
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| rsjethani | are we again changing meeting time? | 08:13 |
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| samP_ | ah..got it. Then it would be fine. I think, we will receive it when you submit it. | 08:13 |
| samP_ | rsjethani: there was a discussion about changing the meeting time. | 08:14 |
| rsjethani | ok. | 08:14 |
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| samP_ | aspiers will submit a change to gerrit, and every one can comment on what time you are convenient. | 08:15 |
| samP_ | would be some thing like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/307002/ | 08:15 |
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| aspiers | rsjethani: sorry, I did not mean to change the meeting time today, but I got confused :-( | 08:18 |
| aspiers | rsjethani: you can read the logs, and please let me know if there is anything else you would like to discuss | 08:19 |
| aspiers | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/2016/ha.2016-06-13-07.07.html | 08:19 |
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| rsjethani | aspiers: its fine you don't have to feel guilty about it ;) | 08:21 |
| rsjethani | aspiers: Yes i will go through the logs | 08:21 |
| rsjethani | thanks | 08:21 |
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| amaretskiy | #startmeeting Rally | 14:04 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 13 14:04:23 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is amaretskiy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 14:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rally' | 14:04 |
| amaretskiy | hi all! | 14:04 |
| andreykurilin | o/ | 14:04 |
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| ikhudoshyn | o/ | 14:05 |
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| boris-42 | hi hi | 14:05 |
| andreykurilin | sdague dims: are you here?) | 14:06 |
| amaretskiy | we have single topic in agenda | 14:06 |
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| amaretskiy | #topic Class RallyException does not provide i18n good enough without subclassing - we still have to use gettext in this case to split i18n part of message from non-translated args | 14:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Class RallyException does not provide i18n good enough without subclassing - we still have to use gettext in this case to split i18n part of message from non-translated args (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 14:06 | |
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| amaretskiy | please look at my small WIP patch that shows the problem and how it can be solved | 14:07 |
| amaretskiy | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/328978/ | 14:07 |
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| andreykurilin | amaretskiy: unfortunately, i18n is not configured for rally | 14:07 |
| ikhudoshyn | I'll take a look | 14:07 |
| amaretskiy | the problem is explicit use of RallyException | 14:07 |
| andreykurilin | we need someone how will finish integration at first | 14:08 |
| ikhudoshyn | but I'd rather avoid all the gettext magic | 14:08 |
| amaretskiy | yes, it's not configured right now | 14:08 |
| amaretskiy | but we use i18n in code | 14:08 |
| ikhudoshyn | maybe just use i18n properly? | 14:08 |
| amaretskiy | the problem is that explicit use of RallyException causes i18n problem, at least if we have translated part of message + not translated args | 14:09 |
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| amaretskiy | and RallyException.__init__ is not ready for backward compatible fix | 14:09 |
| ikhudoshyn | let's do not use rallyexcaption explicitly | 14:10 |
| boris-42 | hm | 14:10 |
| amaretskiy | the main question is: whether is is Ok to raise RallyException explicitly at all? The opposite case is *always* subclass it (and have hundreds of exceptions in rally.exceptions | 14:10 |
| amaretskiy | I think that explicit use is good | 14:11 |
| amaretskiy | but we have i18n problem | 14:11 |
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| andreykurilin | creating new exception only for one usage is a wrong direction | 14:11 |
| boris-42 | +1 | 14:11 |
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| boris-42 | so I would rahter have a Exceptions that we can raise | 14:11 |
| amaretskiy | moreover, if we event translate message and pass it to RallyException, like "raise RallyException(_("some message"))" | 14:11 |
| amaretskiy | then gettext is calle dtwice | 14:12 |
| amaretskiy | *called twice | 14:12 |
| andreykurilin | we it will call it twice? | 14:12 |
| andreykurilin | *why | 14:12 |
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| andreykurilin | I do not got it:) | 14:12 |
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| andreykurilin | from my point of view, the message will be translated on _() step | 14:13 |
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| amaretskiy | andreykurilin: 1) gettext in raise RallyException(_("some message")) and 2) at https://github.com/openstack/rally/blob/master/rally/exceptions.py#L37 | 14:13 |
| andreykurilin | our RallyException does not do any magic around it | 14:13 |
| andreykurilin | amaretskiy: ` super(RallyException, self).__init__(self.msg_fmt % kwargs)` doesn't translate anything | 14:13 |
| amaretskiy | https://github.com/openstack/rally/blob/master/rally/exceptions.py#L29 | 14:13 |
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| andreykurilin | we should edit only L29 to not do a translation | 14:14 |
| andreykurilin | that is all | 14:14 |
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| amaretskiy | so, I've explained the problem - we can not split translated and non-translated parts of message in explicit invokation | 14:14 |
| amaretskiy | *invocation | 14:14 |
| amaretskiy | any ideas? | 14:14 |
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| andreykurilin | `_("%s") % "asdasd"` will not translate anything except "%s" | 14:15 |
| andreykurilin | so everything is ok | 14:15 |
| ikhudoshyn | do not do _() in RallyException | 14:15 |
| andreykurilin | +1 | 14:15 |
| boris-42 | @amaretskiy that's bad we need to fix it somehow | 14:15 |
| andreykurilin | it doesn't do anythin | 14:15 |
| ikhudoshyn | call _explicitly in each exception raised | 14:15 |
| andreykurilin | +1 | 14:15 |
| amaretskiy | the idea is using gettext inside rally.exceptions | 14:16 |
| ikhudoshyn | explicit is better than implicit | 14:16 |
| amaretskiy | how about my patch? | 14:16 |
| boris-42 | @andreykurilin @ikhudoshyn @amaretskiy ^ so maybe we can just write hacking rule? | 14:16 |
| ikhudoshyn | boris-42: which one? | 14:16 |
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| boris-42 | to check that "call _explicitly in each exception raised" | 14:18 |
| ikhudoshyn | +1 | 14:18 |
| ikhudoshyn | like that ^^ | 14:18 |
| ikhudoshyn | and avoid any magic | 14:18 |
| amaretskiy | boris-42: is this good to call gettext while raising RallyException, not iside its __init__ ? | 14:19 |
| amaretskiy | boris-42: we have to import i18n everywhere | 14:19 |
| amaretskiy | in this case | 14:19 |
| andreykurilin | amaretskiy: we already do it | 14:19 |
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| ikhudoshyn | i'm ok with the above | 14:20 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: so we can import in in exception module | 14:20 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: andreykurilin why this should produce any problems ^ ? | 14:20 |
| amaretskiy | boris-42: we can not do this properly in rally.exceptions | 14:20 |
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| amaretskiy | boris-42: class RallyException can not translate message correctly in this cas | 14:21 |
| amaretskiy | e*case | 14:21 |
| amaretskiy | *case | 14:21 |
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| amaretskiy | okay, so, call gettext explicitly in place where we raise RallyException | 14:22 |
| boris-42 | okay I will think about this a bit more when I wake up ;) | 14:22 |
| andreykurilin | amaretskiy: basically, I like the solution from your patch | 14:22 |
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| andreykurilin | ok, I think this topic finished | 14:23 |
| amaretskiy | boris-42: the problem is that we can not raise RallyException without gettext, for example: raise RallyException("Error for %(key)", key="foo") | 14:23 |
| amaretskiy | this is not possible | 14:23 |
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| amaretskiy | ok, let it be finished :) | 14:24 |
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| andreykurilin | amaretskiy: for this case boris-42 proposed hacking rule | 14:24 |
| amaretskiy | #topic Free discussion | 14:24 |
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| boris-42 | amaretskiy: can we discuss requirements | 14:24 |
| andreykurilin | but it will not help for `msg = "asdfasdf"; raise RallyException(msg)` | 14:24 |
| boris-42 | @amaretskiy ^ | 14:24 |
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| amaretskiy | andreykurilin: that is why my patch is better approach | 14:25 |
| andreykurilin | agrred | 14:25 |
| andreykurilin | agree | 14:25 |
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| amaretskiy | #topic Requirements job | 14:26 |
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| boris-42 | So guys I am trying to remove jobs | 14:26 |
| amaretskiy | let's finally make a desicion :) | 14:26 |
| boris-42 | to not check rally requirements | 14:26 |
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| boris-42 | basically 2 problems | 14:26 |
| boris-42 | 1) it makes us hard to cut releaes each 3 weeks | 14:27 |
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| boris-42 | 2) we don't want to break gates with new versions of libs, without our control | 14:27 |
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| andreykurilin | sdague's comment from #openstack-dev channel: | 14:28 |
| andreykurilin | > using fixed versions in requirements.txt basically makes it unpackagable by distros | 14:28 |
| andreykurilin | > which... is fine I guess, but the team should realize that's what they are doing | 14:28 |
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| boris-42 | @andreykurilin hm good point | 14:28 |
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| boris-42 | @andreykurilin maybe we should think a bit more about this lol | 14:29 |
| andreykurilin | let me try to ping dims and sdague again :) | 14:29 |
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| boris-42 | andreykurilin: I will discuss today this with dims | 14:31 |
| andreykurilin | boris-42: maybe we should not use fixed version, but use max and min versions instead? | 14:31 |
| clarkb | or use constraints? | 14:32 |
| clarkb | constraints exists to solve this problem | 14:32 |
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| andreykurilin | clarkb: constraints just check one version from many of possible matchers | 14:33 |
| andreykurilin | so it can not guarantee that project requirements is not broken | 14:33 |
| clarkb | correct it is there yo expose a complete known good | 14:34 |
| clarkb | but there may be other valid dep lists as well | 14:34 |
| clarkb | constraints allows distros to have flexibility while restricting testing to a known set | 14:34 |
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| andreykurilin | clarkb: it sounds like we have fixed version of requirements but you can try to use another version for your own risk :) | 14:35 |
| boris-42 | clarkb: so the thing is that we need at least to have upperconstraints | 14:35 |
| boris-42 | clarkb: for all libs | 14:35 |
| boris-42 | clarkb: at release tie | 14:36 |
| boris-42 | time* | 14:36 |
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| boris-42 | clarkb: and exclude versions that we know that are broken | 14:36 |
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| andreykurilin | clarkb: also, current openstack requirements process doesn't allow to do something like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252407/1/requirements.txt before release | 14:39 |
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| clarkb | andreykurilin: I never said use openstack requirements | 14:41 |
| andreykurilin | :) | 14:41 |
| clarkb | just use pip constraints | 14:41 |
| clarkb | completely different concerns | 14:41 |
| boris-42 | clarkb: ya constraints makes sense | 14:41 |
| boris-42 | clarkb: fixed versions bad idea | 14:41 |
| boris-42 | clarkb: thanks for suggestion | 14:41 |
| andreykurilin | clarkb: today I learned something new. thanks:) | 14:42 |
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| andreykurilin | will read about pip constrains | 14:42 |
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| boris-42 | @amaretskiy back to open discussion? | 14:44 |
| amaretskiy | yes | 14:44 |
| amaretskiy | #topic Free discussion | 14:45 |
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| andreykurilin | I have one topic:) | 14:45 |
| andreykurilin | *topic :) | 14:45 |
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| andreykurilin | I want to extend current schema of ExistingEngine | 14:45 |
| andreykurilin | we have `endpoint_type` var there | 14:45 |
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| andreykurilin | and I want to propose one more variable - `keystone_endpoint_type` | 14:46 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: btw what about Nata from mailing list? | 14:46 |
| andreykurilin | Nata? | 14:46 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: seems like he has some deep issues | 14:46 |
| boris-42 | Nate* | 14:46 |
| andreykurilin | one moment | 14:46 |
| amaretskiy | boris-42: I'm currently writing an answer to Nata, however there are no concrete solution from me | 14:46 |
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| amaretskiy | *Nate | 14:46 |
| andreykurilin | yeah, it a bit related | 14:47 |
| andreykurilin | so we have several problems | 14:47 |
| andreykurilin | let me describe them | 14:47 |
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| andreykurilin | 1) we do not transmit endpoint_type to keystone at all. maybe keystoneclient changed name of variable or we used wrong argument name from the start of rally:) | 14:48 |
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| andreykurilin | also keystoneclient ignores unknown arguments, so we did not received any AttributeError | 14:48 |
| andreykurilin | 2) default endpoint_type for keystone is admin, for other services is public | 14:49 |
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| andreykurilin | so when I tried to transmit endpoint type in correct way to keystoneclient, it failed | 14:49 |
| boris-42 | oh | 14:49 |
| boris-42 | omg | 14:50 |
| andreykurilin | yeah | 14:50 |
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| andreykurilin | for most clouds `endpoint_type=public` will break kc, `endpoint_type=admin` or `endpoint_type=None` will break other services | 14:50 |
| andreykurilin | that is why I propose to add one more variable to deployment config:) | 14:51 |
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| andreykurilin | maybe it should be auth_endpoint_type | 14:51 |
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| andreykurilin | or something like that | 14:51 |
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| andreykurilin | proofs you can find at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/320056/ | 14:52 |
| amaretskiy | sounds good | 14:52 |
| andreykurilin | just look at different patch-sets | 14:52 |
| boris-42 | @andreykurilin can you write email to mailing list | 14:52 |
| andreykurilin | no:) I'm afraid | 14:52 |
| andreykurilin | lol | 14:52 |
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| andreykurilin | What kind of mail you want? The answer to Nate or question about default endpoint_type for every service? | 14:53 |
| andreykurilin | boris-42: ^ | 14:54 |
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| boris-42 | answer to Nate | 14:54 |
| boris-42 | that we are working=) | 14:54 |
| andreykurilin | ok ok | 14:54 |
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| andreykurilin | boris-42: btw, maybe the correct solution will be move all clients to use keystoneclient session object. it should handle endpoint_type=None and work for all services. | 14:55 |
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| andreykurilin | in such way openstackclient works | 14:56 |
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| boris-42 | andreykurilin: so maybe | 14:56 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: and unify how all clients works | 14:56 |
| andreykurilin | but it requires some volunteer, since I have not enough time:( | 14:56 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets__: ^ | 14:57 |
| boris-42 | rvasilets__: maybe you can be volunteer? | 14:57 |
| andreykurilin | rvasilets__: he is on pto :) | 14:57 |
| andreykurilin | boris-42: rvasilets is on pto | 14:57 |
| andreykurilin | vacation:) | 14:57 |
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| boris-42 | andreykurilin: he didn't say anything so he is agree LOL +) | 14:58 |
| andreykurilin | lol | 14:58 |
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| ikhudoshyn | that's how democracy works lol | 14:58 |
| andreykurilin | perfect | 14:58 |
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| amaretskiy | + | 14:58 |
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| boris-42 | =) | 14:59 |
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| andreykurilin | boris-42: I'll try to find someone in our regular irc channel before rvasilets return | 15:00 |
| andreykurilin | ok, it looks like we do not have time | 15:00 |
| andreykurilin | amaretskiy: let's end the meeting | 15:00 |
| amaretskiy | #endmeeting | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 13 15:00:29 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2016/rally.2016-06-13-14.04.html | 15:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2016/rally.2016-06-13-14.04.txt | 15:00 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2016/rally.2016-06-13-14.04.log.html | 15:00 |
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| anteaya | #startmeeting third-party | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 13 15:00:58 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 15:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 15:01 |
| anteaya | hello | 15:01 |
| lennyb | hey | 15:01 |
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| anteaya | hey lennyb | 15:01 |
| anteaya | how are you today? | 15:01 |
| lennyb | I am still ok :). How are you? | 15:02 |
| anteaya | glad to hear it | 15:02 |
| asselin_ | good morning | 15:02 |
| anteaya | good thanks | 15:02 |
| anteaya | morning asselin_ | 15:02 |
| mmedvede | o/ | 15:02 |
| mmedvede | morning all | 15:03 |
| anteaya | hey mmedvede | 15:03 |
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| anteaya | does anyone have anything they would like to discuss today? | 15:03 |
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| mmedvede | everyone aware of new recommended recheck syntax for third-party CIs? | 15:04 |
| * mmedvede looking for doc patch | 15:04 | |
| anteaya | there is no recommended syntax | 15:04 |
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| mmedvede | #link third-party recheck syntax recommendation https://review.openstack.org/#/c/327065/ | 15:05 |
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| anteaya | thanks for letting me know, I will follow up on this | 15:05 |
| mmedvede | there was no recommended syntax I think, so every CI came up with their own. So this should allow to have sanity | 15:06 |
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| clarkb | the recommendation was to honor 'recheck' | 15:06 |
| anteaya | clarkb: thank you | 15:07 |
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| anteaya | mmedvede: as clarkb says we did have a recommendation | 15:07 |
| mmedvede | every third-party CI should trigger recheck on "recheck", and restrict CI-specific recheck to a namespace | 15:07 |
| anteaya | third party ididn't want to impliment that | 15:07 |
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| anteaya | mmedvede: no, our recomendation did not include a resitrition | 15:07 |
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| mmedvede | anteaya: I am talking about the new recommendation. | 15:08 |
| anteaya | mmedvede: yes I'm saying that infra had a recommendation | 15:08 |
| anteaya | and that is still our recommendation | 15:08 |
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| anteaya | this patch, merged without my knowledge does not reflect infra concencsous on the topic | 15:09 |
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| lennyb | mmedvede: by <system>: recheck you mean ci system name as it documented on #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ThirdPartySystems/ ? | 15:09 |
| mmedvede | ok. It was not enough, because it did not specify a uniform way to only trigger a specific CI system | 15:09 |
| anteaya | mmedvede: right because triggering a specificy ci system is not a good idea | 15:10 |
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| mmedvede | lennyb: that I do not know. I think it is just some keyword for a CI system that could be specified in that CI's comment | 15:10 |
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| mmedvede | anteaya: I think there was a discussion on why it is not a good idea? | 15:11 |
| mmedvede | I remember something | 15:11 |
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| anteaya | yes | 15:11 |
| anteaya | long ago when we tried to work on this | 15:11 |
| mmedvede | anteaya: our usecase - our CI fails, but jenkins does not, so we want only recheck ours | 15:11 |
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| anteaya | right | 15:12 |
| anteaya | recheck | 15:12 |
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| lennyb | mmedvede: you can run zuul enqueue for this case | 15:12 |
| mmedvede | lennyb: you can, but then your CI would comment twice for now apparent reason | 15:13 |
| mmedvede | I thought that was against recommedations | 15:13 |
| mmedvede | *no apparent reason | 15:13 |
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| anteaya | this is the first I am aware of this patch | 15:13 |
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| anteaya | so I will consult with other folks in infra and ask them to comment on the patch | 15:14 |
| anteaya | sorry I wasn't aware of it prior to it being merged | 15:14 |
| anteaya | thanks for bringing it up | 15:14 |
| lennyb | mmedvede: p.s. I have also a small python script to rerun a specific job if you are interested | 15:14 |
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| mmedvede | I do not remember what is the downside of standardizing the syntax. I understand that it is bad when a CI not triggered on "recheck". The patch is more about standard for CI-only recheck | 15:15 |
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| mmedvede | lennyb: nice, I can probably use it. I've been using zuul enqueue myself | 15:16 |
| anteaya | that's okay I'll get some of the original rationale down in a form we can reference with a url | 15:16 |
| anteaya | or find it | 15:16 |
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| mmedvede | anteaya: thank you | 15:16 |
| anteaya | sorry this wasn't clear earlier | 15:16 |
| anteaya | I'll do what I can to fix | 15:16 |
| anteaya | thanks again for bringing it to my attention | 15:16 |
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| mmedvede | to make it clear, I like the patch for common syntax | 15:17 |
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| anteaya | mmedvede: I understand, thanks for stating your position clearly | 15:17 |
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| anteaya | does anyone have anything more on this topic? | 15:17 |
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| anteaya | does anyone have any other topic they would like to discuss? | 15:19 |
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| lennyb | mmedvede: #link http://paste.openstack.org/show/515748/ | 15:20 |
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| lennyb | anteaya: i have nothing to discuss | 15:20 |
| mmedvede | nothing from me | 15:20 |
| anteaya | lennyb: thank you | 15:20 |
| mmedvede | thanks lennyb | 15:20 |
| anteaya | mmedvede: thanks | 15:20 |
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| anteaya | any objection to me closing today's meeting? | 15:20 |
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| anteaya | thank you all for your kind attendance and participation, I appreciate it | 15:25 |
| anteaya | see you next week | 15:25 |
| anteaya | #endmeeting | 15:25 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 13 15:25:58 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:26 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-06-13-15.00.html | 15:26 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-06-13-15.00.txt | 15:26 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-06-13-15.00.log.html | 15:26 |
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| d0ugal | No Mistral meeting? | 16:04 |
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| ddeja | #startmeeting Mistral | 16:10 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 13 16:10:29 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ddeja. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:10 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:10 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral' | 16:10 |
| ddeja | Hi all | 16:10 |
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| rbrady | o/ | 16:11 |
| jpeeler | hi | 16:11 |
| d0ugal | Hey! | 16:11 |
| ddeja | rakhmerov is unable to join, but we can have the meeting anyway | 16:11 |
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| ddeja | and since the only action item was on him, we can move on to review action items | 16:11 |
| ddeja | #topic review action items | 16:12 |
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| hparekh_ | Hi | 16:12 |
| ddeja | sorry, to current status ;) | 16:12 |
| ddeja | #topic Current status (progress, issues, roadblocks, further plans) | 16:12 |
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| rbrady | it looks like there has been some feedback on the custom api spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/325769/ | 16:13 |
| ddeja | My status: done some reviews; I'm working on alternative RPC - it seems to be working, but I still want to add some tests to it before merging it | 16:14 |
| rbrady | if anyone else has time these week to review it and add feedback it would be good | 16:14 |
| hparekh_ | my status: reviewed some patches. worked on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-customize-authorization and https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mistral/+spec/mistral-murano-actions | 16:14 |
| ddeja | rbrady: I'll try | 16:14 |
| d0ugal | My status: I need to update my progress on this small bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/mistral/+bug/1568541 | 16:15 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1568541 in Mistral "action-update API on non existing action - creates action instead of returning 404" [Medium,New] - Assigned to Dougal Matthews (d0ugal) | 16:15 |
| d0ugal | I'll do that on the bug itself :) | 16:15 |
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| ddeja | thanks, I guess thats statuses from everybody | 16:17 |
| ddeja | #topic Custom Actions API spec | 16:17 |
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| ddeja | It was discussed last week, (and I wasn't there), but in case someone have something to add, thats the moment ;) | 16:18 |
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| ddeja | but for now reviewing the spec would do the job, am I right rbrady? | 16:18 |
| d0ugal | ddeja: It will be hard to discuss without Renat | 16:18 |
| d0ugal | Yeah, more reviews would be good | 16:18 |
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| rbrady | yes, more reviews, more ideas/opinions | 16:19 |
| d0ugal | and then I think there needs to be a discussion about the feedback and next steps | 16:19 |
| ddeja | OK | 16:19 |
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| ddeja | #topic Open discussion | 16:19 |
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| ddeja | I have one small open - if you guys have time please look on the patches that I've been rebasing for a while | 16:20 |
| d0ugal | ddeja: Link? | 16:20 |
| ddeja | In my opinion they are ready to merge, but I'm probably wrong :) | 16:20 |
| ddeja | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/329042/ | 16:20 |
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| ddeja | this one, one 3 more related to it | 16:21 |
| ddeja | d0ugal ^ | 16:21 |
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| hparekh_ | ddeja: I will look into it :) | 16:21 |
| ddeja | hparekh_: thanks | 16:21 |
| d0ugal | I'll take a look tomorrow, planning a look through the Mistral reviews in the morning | 16:22 |
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| ddeja | OK. I would not like to merge it before Renat look on them, but I'm pretty sure that there is some place for improvements :) | 16:22 |
| d0ugal | heh, sure | 16:22 |
| d0ugal | I can't +2 anyway :) | 16:23 |
| ddeja | OK, so if there is nothing else, I'll count to 10 and end the meeting | 16:23 |
| d0ugal | Fine with me | 16:23 |
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| d0ugal | Thanks ddeja for starting it :) | 16:24 |
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| ddeja | d0ugal: np, I sometimes chair HA-group meeting ;) | 16:24 |
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| rbrady | thanks ddeja! | 16:24 |
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| ddeja | OK, thanks all and see you next week! | 16:25 |
| hparekh_ | thanks ddeja and all !! | 16:25 |
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| ddeja | bye | 16:25 |
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| ddeja | #endmeeting | 16:25 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 13 16:25:54 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:25 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2016/mistral.2016-06-13-16.10.html | 16:25 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2016/mistral.2016-06-13-16.10.txt | 16:25 |
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| rods | #startmeeting astara | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 13 18:00:21 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rods. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'astara' | 18:00 |
| rods | ryanpetrello had a conflict today, so I'm filling in | 18:00 |
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| rods | I guess that's it | 18:13 |
| rods | #endmeeting | 18:13 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 13 18:13:20 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:13 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/astara/2016/astara.2016-06-13-18.00.html | 18:13 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/astara/2016/astara.2016-06-13-18.00.txt | 18:13 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/astara/2016/astara.2016-06-13-18.00.log.html | 18:13 |
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| HenryG | Hello neutrinos | 21:00 |
| mlavalle | o/ | 21:00 |
| johndperkins | hi! | 21:00 |
| dasm | o/ | 21:00 |
| haleyb | hi | 21:00 |
| slaweq | hello | 21:00 |
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| salv-orlando | aloha | 21:00 |
| kevinbenton | hi | 21:00 |
| ihrachys | ahoj | 21:00 |
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| HenryG | #startmeeting networking | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 13 21:00:39 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is HenryG. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 21:00 |
| njohnston | o/ | 21:00 |
| HenryG | Our PTL is still goofing off on a beach somewhere. | 21:00 |
| hoangcx | hi | 21:01 |
| HenryG | Let's keep this short. | 21:01 |
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| fnaval | hi | 21:01 |
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| Sam-I-Am | hellloooo, and moo. | 21:01 |
| hichihara | hi | 21:01 |
| HenryG | The agenda for today: | 21:01 |
| HenryG | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings | 21:01 |
| HenryG | #topic Announcements | 21:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: networking)" | 21:01 | |
| HenryG | The mid-cycle is August 17-19 in Cork, Ireland. | 21:01 |
| HenryG | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-neutron-midcycle | 21:02 |
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| HenryG | Please add your name/nick to the etherpad if you plan to attend. | 21:02 |
| HenryG | Any other announcements? | 21:02 |
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| HenryG | #topic blueprints | 21:03 |
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| HenryG | I have nothing specific, just raising awareness. | 21:03 |
| HenryG | #link https://launchpad.net/neutron/+milestone/newton-2 | 21:03 |
| HenryG | Existing assignments for newton: | 21:03 |
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| HenryG | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/newton/+assignments | 21:04 |
| HenryG | If you are an assignee or approver for a blueprint please work together to ensure the BP whiteboard is up-to-date. | 21:04 |
| HenryG | N-2 is in about one month. | 21:04 |
| HenryG | #link http://releases.openstack.org/newton/schedule.html | 21:04 |
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| HenryG | Does anyone have a specific BP or RFE to discuss today? | 21:04 |
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| kevinbenton | vlan-aware-vms | 21:05 |
| HenryG | what about it? | 21:05 |
| kevinbenton | there was a mailing list thread about changes to nova/os-vif | 21:05 |
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| kevinbenton | however, i wasn't aware of any required changes to those components | 21:05 |
| kevinbenton | carl_baldwin: you started the thread, can you elaborate a bit? | 21:06 |
| * mestery walks in really late | 21:06 | |
| HenryG | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-June/097025.html | 21:06 |
| kevinbenton | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-June/097025.html | 21:06 |
| kevinbenton | whoops, HenryG beat me to it | 21:06 |
| kevinbenton | if we do require a change to os-vif it's going to be a big risk to actually getting this feature completed | 21:07 |
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| carl_baldwin | kevinbenton: There has been a lot of discussion around it. | 21:07 |
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| carl_baldwin | kevinbenton: From Sean Mooney's reply, it looks it might need to be modified to create a (trunk) bridge if it doesn't exist. | 21:08 |
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| kevinbenton | carl_baldwin: i see, but even then we could workaround by creating the trunk bridge on the L2 agent automatically | 21:09 |
| carl_baldwin | kevinbenton: Other proposals suggested a little more intrusive change, like plugging patch ports, etc. | 21:09 |
| carl_baldwin | kevinbenton: I think the issue there is the race to plugin in to it. | 21:09 |
| kevinbenton | carl_baldwin: ok. if that's the only bit that is needed then it's not too big of a deal | 21:10 |
| kevinbenton | carl_baldwin: there are always backup options for that (let nova plug it into br-int and then we move it to a trunk bridge we create | 21:11 |
| kevinbenton | ) | 21:11 |
| kevinbenton | if we can't get something into os-vif in time | 21:11 |
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| carl_baldwin | kevinbenton: Yeah. | 21:11 |
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| carl_baldwin | kevinbenton: I think the list made it apparent that the changes there should be minimized, especially in the short term. | 21:11 |
| carl_baldwin | s/list/thread/ | 21:11 |
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| kevinbenton | ok, that's all i had for that topic | 21:12 |
| HenryG | thanks kevinbenton and carl_baldwin | 21:12 |
| HenryG | #topic Bugs | 21:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: networking)" | 21:12 | |
| HenryG | Last week the bug deputy was ajo | 21:13 |
| HenryG | (I think) | 21:13 |
| HenryG | Anything to report, ajo ? | 21:13 |
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| HenryG | I guess it's night time in his time zone | 21:14 |
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| HenryG | Any critical or high bugs we should discuss? | 21:14 |
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| dougwig | does the dhcp numbering count? | 21:15 |
| kevinbenton | no | 21:16 |
| dougwig | no, it doesn't count, or no, you don't want a holy war on this fine monday? | 21:16 |
| kevinbenton | no, i don't think it counts | 21:16 |
| kevinbenton | it's not blocking anything | 21:16 |
| kevinbenton | so from a bug perspective it's not high/critical | 21:16 |
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| HenryG | This week the deputy is dasm | 21:18 |
| dasm | Aye, aye, captain! | 21:18 |
| HenryG | The next unassigned week is July 4. Any takers? It should be a quiet week. | 21:18 |
| dougwig | i'll be camping. | 21:19 |
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| HenryG | We'll ask for volunteers again at the next meeting. | 21:20 |
| johndperkins | I'll do it | 21:20 |
| Sam-I-Am | dougwig: what is this nature thing | 21:20 |
| HenryG | johndperkins: great! thanks! | 21:20 |
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| dougwig | Sam-I-Am: it's where i play with my solar install and watch an ammeter all day. | 21:20 |
| johndperkins | np | 21:20 |
| Sam-I-Am | dougwig: you going to go vegan on me too? | 21:20 |
| mlavalle | lol | 21:21 |
| HenryG | #topic Docs | 21:21 |
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| HenryG | Sam-I-Am? | 21:21 |
| Sam-I-Am | hey! | 21:21 |
| HenryG | You're up! | 21:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | still improving the networking guide | 21:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | some folks have been working on existing content, such as subnet pools and address scopes | 21:22 |
| HenryG | good to hear | 21:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | i'm sort of working on restructuring the guide because too many things are ending up in 'advanced config' | 21:22 |
| Sam-I-Am | so expect that section to go away | 21:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | there will probably be a section of well-baked features including config, and another section for more experimental features | 21:23 |
| Sam-I-Am | experimental means its either new, not well-tested, doesnt have sufficient docs, or isnt particularly easy to deploy | 21:24 |
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| Sam-I-Am | we'll see how it turns out... hopefully have a patch up this week, and if its too messy, take it to a list | 21:25 |
| dasm | Sam-I-Am: "Feature Classification Framework"? | 21:25 |
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| njohnston | That sounds like a good differentiation; somewhat subjective, but highly useful | 21:25 |
| kevinbenton | what does 'well-tested' mean in this case? | 21:25 |
| Sam-I-Am | kevinbenton: deployable outside of devstack :) | 21:26 |
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| Sam-I-Am | as in, not "works in devstack" | 21:26 |
| Sam-I-Am | or if its something that needs multi-node to be useful, testing in a multi-node env | 21:26 |
| kevinbenton | right, so we have multi-node jobs now | 21:26 |
| kevinbenton | so what i'm getting at | 21:26 |
| kevinbenton | is if it has good testing coverage in tree | 21:27 |
| Sam-I-Am | well, we do to some extent | 21:27 |
| kevinbenton | is that good | 21:27 |
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| Sam-I-Am | i think it depends what it is, and might involve working with the developers to see how much it was tested outside of automation | 21:27 |
| Sam-I-Am | like... did anyone scale it | 21:28 |
| kevinbenton | so the concern i have is that this is going to become very subjective quickly | 21:28 |
| kevinbenton | but we can always lay out guidelines later if there is a disagreement | 21:29 |
| njohnston | +1 | 21:29 |
| Sam-I-Am | i dont really have answers. a lot of it is how thorough are the docs for actually deploying whatever it is | 21:29 |
| Sam-I-Am | something with "set this flag in devstack" is not going to get out of the experimental section | 21:30 |
| kevinbenton | yeah, i'm fine with the deployment docs requirement. that's pretty easy | 21:30 |
| kevinbenton | to see what is required | 21:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | i would like users of the guide to have some basic expectations of what they're deploying | 21:30 |
| Sam-I-Am | either way, look for a simpler organization to the guide - intro content, standard config, experimental config, and some misc stuff. | 21:31 |
| kevinbenton | makes sense | 21:31 |
| dasm | Sam-I-Am | there will probably be a section of well-baked features including config, and another section for more experimental features | 21:32 |
| dasm | Sam-I-Am: are you talking about Feature Classification Framework? | 21:32 |
| dasm | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/324048/ | 21:32 |
| Sam-I-Am | right now i think everything going into 'adv config' is scaring people away from trying not-so-complex features | 21:32 |
| kevinbenton | Sam-I-Am: +1 | 21:32 |
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| Sam-I-Am | dasm: yeah, unless there's more to it | 21:33 |
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| HenryG | Thanks Sam-I-Am | 21:33 |
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| dasm | Sam-I-Am: there are some plans to move it to oslosphinx: https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslosphinx/+bug/1592128 | 21:33 |
| HenryG | One more docs thing ... | 21:33 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1592128 in oslosphinx "Feature Classification Framework" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Ankur (ankur-gupta-f) | 21:33 |
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| HenryG | sorry dasm | 21:34 |
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| dasm | HenryG: no problem. I just sent info and finished. Proceed | 21:34 |
| HenryG | dasm: thanks for the info | 21:34 |
| HenryG | One more docs thing ... | 21:34 |
| HenryG | Note that the api-ref for Neutron is now in neutron-lib! | 21:35 |
| HenryG | #link https://review.openstack.org/327510 | 21:35 |
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| HenryG | Thanks to amotoki for that. | 21:35 |
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| HenryG | Now we can start correcting and fleshing our API reference docs. | 21:35 |
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| Sam-I-Am | this is using the new api stuffs? | 21:35 |
| HenryG | yep | 21:35 |
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| Sam-I-Am | cool, glad to see that | 21:36 |
| Sam-I-Am | so how has moving the api stuff in-tree helped? | 21:36 |
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| Sam-I-Am | or has it helped... | 21:36 |
| HenryG | It just merged. | 21:36 |
| dasm | nice job amotoki. Thanks | 21:37 |
| HenryG | The advantage is mostly that it is now RST. | 21:37 |
| Sam-I-Am | well, yeah | 21:37 |
| Sam-I-Am | but i guess you can also include changes to it in code patches | 21:37 |
| Sam-I-Am | so, less overhead? | 21:37 |
| HenryG | right | 21:38 |
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| Sam-I-Am | cool. gives me some good feedback... and ideas. | 21:38 |
| Sam-I-Am | out of curiosity, would having the networking guide in-tree increase contributions? | 21:39 |
| Sam-I-Am | basically ops/user docs | 21:39 |
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| HenryG | Sam-I-Am: Not sure. Let's see how the api-ref goes. | 21:39 |
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| Sam-I-Am | HenryG: okey dokey | 21:40 |
| Sam-I-Am | that's all from meeeeee | 21:40 |
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| HenryG | Thanks Sam-I-Am | 21:40 |
| HenryG | Any other docs items? | 21:40 |
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| HenryG | #topic Open Discussion | 21:41 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: networking)" | 21:41 | |
| njohnston | How is the neutron-api project coming along? I haven't heard much about it since the summit, but IIRC adoption of it was part of the requirements for eligibility to remain in the stadium. | 21:42 |
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| rtheis | FYI: OSC 2.6.0 was released with more network support (see https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/osc-neutron-support for status) | 21:42 |
| rtheis | Also osc-lib is now available and can be used for neutronclient's OSC plugin | 21:43 |
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| hichihara | rtheis: Cool | 21:43 |
| HenryG | njohnston: Last I heard from armax is he will use neutron-lib as the home for the neutron-API | 21:43 |
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| njohnston | HenryG: OK. So still pretty much future-tense at this point, you think? | 21:44 |
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| HenryG | njohnston: at this point, yes. | 21:45 |
| njohnston | HenryG: Thanks! That sets my expectations. | 21:45 |
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| HenryG | rtheis: thanks, and I would like to remind folks to get into the habit of using "openstack network ..." instead of "neutron ..." now. | 21:46 |
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| Sam-I-Am | ^ this | 21:47 |
| Sam-I-Am | well, networking service i guess | 21:47 |
| HenryG | Sam-I-Am: I meant at the CLI | 21:47 |
| Sam-I-Am | oh, yeah that too :) | 21:48 |
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| manjeets | HenryG: already to that habit of using openstack ** instead of neutron ** | 21:49 |
| HenryG | manjeets: +1 | 21:50 |
| Sam-I-Am | trying to convert all docs to using 'openstack' if possible | 21:50 |
| HenryG | that must be painful | 21:50 |
| Sam-I-Am | da | 21:51 |
| twm2016 | Hi everyone, I would like to introduce myself. My name is Trevor, I met some of you at the summit in Austin, and I will be *trying to actively contribute to "openstack networking" where I can. :) | 21:51 |
| HenryG | Welcome twm2016 ! | 21:51 |
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| hichihara | twm2016: welcome :) | 21:51 |
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| Sam-I-Am | hello | 21:52 |
| njohnston | twm2016: Greetings! I thought your nick was a reference to ye olde xwindows window manager 'twm'. | 21:52 |
| twm2016 | I'm looking forward to getting to know all of you. I hate my nick, I missed the naming convention when creating an account. | 21:52 |
| twm2016 | - I wanted to match my gerrit username. If you all must know its my initials plus the year I registered. | 21:53 |
| twm2016 | oh well, I hope some of you have seen my code reviews and found them useful. I look forward to getting to know all of you better | 21:54 |
| HenryG | twm2016: freenode nicks are nothing. Just create another. | 21:54 |
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| njohnston | +1 | 21:54 |
| twm2016 | HenryG: Thanks, I guess I'll do that ( action item? ) haha | 21:54 |
| HenryG | OK, everybody gets 5 minutes back. | 21:54 |
| HenryG | #endmeeting | 21:54 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:54 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 13 21:54:58 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2016/networking.2016-06-13-21.00.html | 21:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2016/networking.2016-06-13-21.00.txt | 21:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2016/networking.2016-06-13-21.00.log.html | 21:55 |
| Sam-I-Am | thx | 21:55 |
| * Sam-I-Am uses his 5 mins wisely | 21:55 | |
| dasm | thanks. | 21:55 |
| hoangcx | Bye bye | 21:55 |
| hichihara | bye | 21:55 |
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