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gmann#startmeeting qa09:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Jun 16 09:00:02 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is gmann. Information about MeetBot at
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'qa'09:00
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gmannhi who's here for today?09:00
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gmannandreaf: hi09:01
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andreafgmann: hi09:01
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gmannlet's wait some time to join more people09:01
gmannandreaf: looks like only we two are here today :)09:05
andreafmasayukig, mkoderer around?09:05
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andreafyes it looks like so09:05
gmannmasayukig: is out today for health checkup he mentioned09:05
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andreafwell if no-one else joins I'm not sure we should be running the meeting09:06
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gmannyea, just wait for more 2-3 min then we can cancel today one09:06
andreafjordanP and afazekas don't seem to be online either09:06
dmelladosorry I'm late09:07
dmelladoHi andreaf gmann09:07
gmanndmellado: hi09:07
gmannjlanoux_: hi09:08
gmanni think we have enough people now, we can start? and can finish early09:08
gmannlet's start09:09
gmann^^ today agenda09:09
dmelladogmann: april 21?09:10
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gmann#topic Specs Reviews09:10
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gmannlooks like all open spec are with review09:11
gmannanyone want to bring any specific spec09:11
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gmannif no then let's move09:12
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gmann#topic Tempest09:12
gmannwe will discuss newton priority item here as listed in agenda09:13
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gmannandreaf: first one is yours - Remote client debuggability (andreaf)09:13
andreafgmann: well we always have the full list of priorities in the agenda, not sure we should keep it09:13
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dmelladoI think we could drop it, and bring only the updates maybe09:14
gmannandreaf: humm, or we track the current ongoing items from them09:14
dmelladohi mkoderer09:14
gmannmkoderer: hi09:14
gmanndmellado: yea09:14
gmannso just discuss the items from people here09:14
gmannandreaf: you have anything to update from priority items?09:15
gmannandreaf: one is client refactor i think09:15
andreafgmann: I don't have updates on remote clients debuggability, it's done for API tests - but the approach is different between API and scenario tests - I'm waiting on the scenario cleanup to happen before I can do that09:15
gmannandreaf: ok09:16
dmelladoThen that'll be my turn then I guess :D09:16
gmanndmellado: yea we will come on your items09:16
dmelladofrom my side, I've been unable to allocate *any* time upstream since I came back from Austin, so I'm on best-effort on the scenario cleanup09:16
dmelladocould we get some more volunteers in order to tackle that?09:17
dmellado(I've been promised more time, though, but don't want to overpromise...)09:17
gmanndmellado: which one? scenario cleanup?09:17
dmelladogmann: scenario cleanup, yep09:17
dmelladotest class hierarchy, basically09:17
gmanndmellado: we have spec approved for that right or any etherpad about what all needed09:18
dmelladoI don't want to stop anyone, althought I'll try my best it might not depend on me09:18
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dmelladogmann: there was an document on the methods that would need check-up09:18
andreafdmellado: perhaps you could go to the ML asking for volunteers?09:18
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dmelladoandreaf: will do09:18
dmelladoandreaf: wouldn't you have the link around?09:18
dmelladocan't find it now09:18
gmannyea that will be nice to get more people09:18
dmelladogmann: I'll send an email to the ML with the links and formatting09:19
gmanndmellado: Thanks09:19
dmelladobtw, and offtopic (sorry) is there any final time/date for the mid cycle09:20
dmelladoI'd make it there and will try to make up the most of it09:20
gmanndmellado: mkoderer updated wiki for that09:20
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gmannmkoderer: that is final dates and place right?09:20
mkoderergmann: yes09:21
dmelladooh, nice09:21
dmelladoI was waiting for an email on the ML09:21
dmelladobut will sign myself there09:21
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dmelladothanks gmann mkoderer09:21
gmannmkoderer: cool09:21
mkodererso I have booked two meeting rooms09:21
mkodererand tried to put all needed information in the wiki09:21
mkodererjust let me know if somethine is missing09:21
gmannmkoderer: Thanks may be oomichi will send on ML09:22
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gmannmkoderer: sure, Thanks for that, happy to go Germany first time09:22
mkoderergmann: will be fun09:22
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gmannok, let's move on09:23
gmannnot sure about Neutron OO wrappers09:23
andreafthat merged yesterday
gmannjlwhite : hockeynut started anything on this09:23
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gmannandreaf: oh nice, i did not notice those :)09:24
gmannnext tempest-lib/plugin09:25
andreafregarding documentation I did not have time to do a complete check yet, it will be an ongoing effort through the cycle for me09:25
gmannandreaf: ok, any specific thing we need to do on priority on doc09:25
andreafgmann: no, the most urgent are done09:25
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andreafgmann: on tempest-lib I've been working on migrating the client manager to lib09:26
gmannandreaf: ok, Thanks.  and yea we can keep updating those on finding09:26
gmannandreaf: yea, i did not get time today to look into those. i will try tomorrow09:26
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andreafon tempest CLI, the workspace manager landed as well as initial support for un09:27
gmannyea, that is nice09:27
andreafmtreinish has a couple of patches up for run extensions09:28
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gmannyea, after that i think we can adopt new workflow in gate and have our cmd tested on gate09:29
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gmannon service client migration, oomichi   is working on image one and me on identity one09:30
dmelladogmann: long work on that ;)09:31
gmannone issue(may not be) i found on identity is most of the list APIs does not support query of limit,marker09:31
gmannexcept list_tenants09:31
gmanni ran on my local env but doc state about that09:31
gmannso i will not add query param to those list method in service clients and raise bug on doc09:32
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gmannand if they support that then we can make change to service client which i think would not cause backward incompatibity (which adds kwargs)09:32
gmannwhich i think should be ok for all?09:33
andreafgmann: I'm not sure having kwargs in those already would be an issue09:34
gmannandreaf: yea there is no issue, and that is another option09:34
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gmannif we send limit query keystone just ignore as of now09:34
gmannso should we go with that, m ok for both way09:35
andreafhaving kwargs allows test to try and send unexpected content to the API :)09:35
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gmannandreaf: yea, that is one benefit. ok lets go with kwargs which doc also states that09:36
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gmannnext item - microversions testing (compute)09:37
gmannthis one i need to start and cover as many as we can in Newton as nova has around 30 version up till now09:38
gmannand issue here is schema versioning we need to do if higher microversion tests are being added09:38
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gmannif we have all lower version tests we can avoid such situation09:39
gmannok, thats all on those.09:40
gmannanything on Tempest or we move to next topic09:40
andreafI'm trying to get pre-prov creds used in the gate09:41
gmann#topic DevStack + Grenade09:41
gmannandreaf: yah yea, saw mail. +1 on that09:41
gmannandreaf: you will try on neutron job first or layer4 ?09:42
andreafgmann: after discussing with mtreinish we decided to start with layer4 because that runs on tempest only09:42
andreafonce we further prove stability we can move to other jobs09:42
gmannandreaf: yea nice point09:42
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andreafso I tested pre-prov creds with layer4 tests and I found one role missing for heat tests09:43
andreaffix is in #link
andreafit's a very simple change, reviews are welcome :)09:43
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gmannnice, ll check right after meeting09:43
gmannandreaf: and at end we will be having around half using dynamic and half using pre-provisioned one right?09:43
andreafgmann: that's my hope. pre-prov creds can help prevent regressions on resource cleanup, but we need to start running the cleanup script in dry mode in the gate to make that easier to troubleshoot in case it happens09:45
gmannandreaf: ok, dry mode will help in that09:45
gmannandreaf: one issue i faced on pre-provisioned account in Austin summit when we tried to run tempest with init workspace09:46
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gmanni think i talked to you may be, there was some issue on releasing the accounts09:47
gmannbut i forgot totally, i will try to reproduce that if i can09:47
andreafgmann: ok let me know09:48
andreaftime's flying, we should probably move on09:49
gmannwe will skip devstack one if nobody has anything on those09:49
gmannopenstack-health too? as masayukig mtreinish are not here09:49
gmannor andreaf you have anything on this09:49
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andreafnothing from my side09:50
gmann#topic Critical Reviews09:50
gmannmost of priority review we talked, apart from them any other review anyone want to bring up09:50
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gmann#topic QA mid-cycle meetup09:52
gmanni think we already talked on this09:52
gmannthanks mkoderer again09:52
gmannwe will jump to open09:52
gmann#topic Open Discussion09:52
andreafok just one note on the client manager from my side09:53
gmannandreaf: sure09:53
andreafsince not all clients are in tempest.lib yet, the initial client manager for lib will only contain those migrated already09:53
andreafbecause I don't want to have something in lib that depends on clients in tempest - changing that later would break backward compatibility09:54
gmannandreaf: yea that make sense.09:54
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gmannand gradually we can keep adding migrated one09:54
andreafalso I started preparing the stable client manager in on tempest side because I want to make sure the interface looks good before it's moved to tempest.lib09:55
andreaffor now it only includes clients in tempest, I will add an interface to register extra clients from plugin later in the patch series09:55
dmelladosounds good, also if that affects another tempest plugins, they can migrate that later too09:55
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gmannandreaf: and do we want any plugin to adopt that before migrating this to lib ?09:56
andreafdmellado: yes I'm maintaining manager.Manager same as before for plugins that already use that for now - so they are not broken by my changes09:57
gmannto avoid any interface change in lib09:57
andreafonce the stable manager is in lib plugins can start to migrate to it and we can then drop manager.Manager09:57
gmanncan we ask any plugin to adopt new one and test new interface throughly  while in tempest09:57
andreafbasically I'm having to maintain backward compatibility on non-stable classes for a bit to be nice to plugins - since we didn't have a stable client manager ready in time09:58
gmannandreaf: i was thinking before migraion to lib09:58
andreafgmann: well but then they will have to change twice09:58
gmannandreaf: yea thats true but that will make sure all our interface works well09:58
andreafgmann: and until it's on lib side it can change so they may be broken by changes09:59
gmannmay be we can volunteer on those to update twice09:59
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andreafgmann: it would be good to have a set of changes making the switch in the plugins for testing purposes09:59
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gmannyea, once we are ready to migrate then first test with 1 plugin then migrate10:00
gmanni can talk to mistral or congress one, my team mates work in those10:00
dmelladogmann: yep, also I was speaking with the mistral guys10:00
dmelladoto modify the plugin10:00
dmelladoas it didn't have the skip_checks there10:00
andreafgmann: thanks10:00
dmelladoand is quite small10:01
andreafwell, I guess we are at time10:01
dmelladoso it'd be great to have it for testing10:01
gmanndmellado: sure let me know which one i can ask10:01
gmannok time up, sorry guys10:01
andreafwe can continue in the qa room10:01
gmannlet's switch to qa10:01
gmannthanks all10:01
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katomo#startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting13:00
openstackMeeting started Thu Jun 16 13:00:14 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is katomo. Information about MeetBot at
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting'13:00
katomowho is here for I18n meeting?13:00
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katomohi jftalta13:03
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katomohi ianychoi_phone13:04
jftaltahi katomo13:04
katomoseems 3 people here13:04
katomolet's start13:05
katomotoday, i dont have topic.13:05
katomodo you have any topic?13:05
katomooops, I have !13:06
jftaltaTranslations priorities ?...13:06
ianychoi_phoneHi :)13:06
katomo#topic translation priorities13:06
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katomoat now, we have priority at .13:06
katomois it work for your team?13:07
jftaltaIs the page up to date ?13:07
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ianychoi_phoneI think so13:08
jftaltaok, good.13:08
jftaltaI guess the french team need some guidance about priorities13:08
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jftaltaBut it's ok if Zanata home page is up to date.13:10
jftaltaWhat about the Horizon test machine ?13:11
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katomoworking... but, need more time.13:11
jftaltaSeems to be painfull...13:12
katomoeumel8 and elz is working on it.13:12
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katomoit's a hard work13:12
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katomomoving on next topic13:12
jftaltayes, I'm aware of it13:13
katomo#topic making core13:13
katomoI talked with amotoki13:13
katomowe think it is better to have more core members.13:13
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jftaltamore core members ?13:14
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katomoon Gerrit (Git review), core can use +2 +A13:15
katomowe have docs on i18n repos13:15
jftaltaok, I understand13:16
katomocore member review the patch for i18n repo13:16
katomoso, I added ianychoi_phone13:16
ianychoi_phoneOne question: are core member and core reviewer the same?13:16
katomoalso, I'd like to add jftalta and eumel813:16
katomoyes, core member = core reviewer, I say.13:17
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ianychoi_phoneI see thanks!13:17
ianychoi_phone+1, for eumel813:17
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katomojftalta: okay?13:17
jftaltaDoes this imply a big workload ?...13:18
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katomoI think it is low workload13:18
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katomowe have a few patches for i18n repo13:19
jftaltaIn that case, it's ok for me to :)13:19
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katomoand, we need more review, but review is not a mandatory13:19
katomojftalta: thanks13:20
jftaltayou're welcome13:20
katomo#topic open discussions13:20
katomoany other topic?13:20
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jftaltanot more topic for me.13:21
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katomookay. it is a short meeting.13:22
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ianychoi_phonekatomo: does solved?13:22
openstackLaunchpad bug 1586041 in openstack i18n "Incorrect PO-Revision-Date in some translation files for aodh project" [High,In progress] - Assigned to KATO Tomoyuki (kato-tomoyuki)13:22
katomothanks to join the meeting, fjtalta, ianychoi_phone13:22
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ianychoi_phoneI think it was the important one on the last meeting13:22
katomoalmost done.13:23
ianychoi_phoneOkay thanks :)13:23
ianychoi_phoneWow yep13:23
katomobut, we need Zanata patch for solving the cause13:23
ianychoi_phoneHmm... But it needs Zanata upgrade I think13:23
katomobecause it is reproducable when we create newton branch.13:24
ianychoi_phoneYep thanks for kind explanation!13:24
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ianychoi_phoneNo more from me13:24
katomoI will talk with Alex later.13:24
jftaltaZanata australian team will provide the path or the new version ?...13:24
ianychoi_phoneYep i think so13:25
katomoI'm not sure13:25
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katomobut, they are working on it with
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katomothanks, again13:26
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ianychoi_phoneThanks you katomo and jftalta !13:26
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mriedem#startmeeting nova14:01
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edleafe  \o14:01
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* bauzas hopes not to see a lot of UK guys here :p14:02
mriedemalright let's get started14:02
mriedem#link meeting agenda
mriedem#topic release news14:02
mriedem#link Newton release schedule:
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johnthetubaguybauzas: heh, I had to think quite hard what I was meant to be doing14:02
mriedem#info June 30: non-priority feature freeze (2 weeks from today)14:03
mriedemWe have 100 approved blueprints: - 17 are completed, 16 have not started, 2 are blocked14:03
mriedemlast week we had 86 approved blueprints, then johnthetubaguy and i did some spec/LP syncing14:03
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mriedemway more than we can possibly get done, which shouldn't come as a surprise14:03
mriedemlooking back over mitaka and liberty we approved around the same number, but implemented ~6014:04
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mriedemjust noting that for context14:04
mriedemany questions about the release?14:04
johnthetubaguy+1 on mriedem's comments there14:04
mriedem#topic bugs14:04
mriedemi guess the topic thingy isn't working14:05
mriedemgate status looks ok14:05
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mriedemi'm not aware of any blocking issues there14:05
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mriedem3rd party CI status - BobBall - looks like xenserver CI is OK again?14:05
BobBallI think so :)14:06
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mriedemmnestratov|2: any updates on the virtuozzo compute CI?14:06
dansmithwhat about14:06
dansmithyeah that :)14:06
mnestratov|2mriedem: work in progress14:06
dansmithmnestratov|2: thanks for being responsive on this!14:06
mnestratov|2i hope we will start it again today14:06
mriedemmnestratov|2: ok, sounds good14:06
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mriedemi don't see anyone from vmware around14:07
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mriedembut tjones was reporting issues in last week's meeting14:07
mriedemcritical bugs - i'm not aware of any14:07
mriedemis auggy here?14:07
auggyi am!14:08
mriedemshe is14:08
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auggyi'm not aware of any critical bugs, but i haven't been keeping track14:08
mriedemaunnam_: sneti: any critical bugs this week?14:08
mriedem^ is on bug skimming duty14:08
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mriedemalright moving on14:08
mriedem#topic reminders14:08
mriedem#link Newton review focus list:
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mriedemgeneral reminder to please keep that up to date14:08
mriedem#help Volunteers for 1 week of bug skimming duty?14:09
mriedemlooks like we need people for next week14:09
mriedemopen/new bugs are creeping up, 27 new in my view this morning14:09
mriedemusually when i complain about bug backlog sdague goes wild but he's on vacation14:10
bauzasokay, I'll see how I can help14:10
mriedembauzas: thanks, i'll try to triage a few today too14:10
mriedemand we can high five later14:10
* bauzas digs for his launchpad cape14:10
mriedem#topic stable branch status14:10
mriedemnova mitaka 13.1.0 was released this week14:10
mriedemwhich contains a CVE fix14:10
mriedemand a bunch of other good fixes14:11
mriedemnot much else for stable branch news14:11
mriedem#topic subteam highlights14:11
mriedemthere wasn't a cells meeting this week, but there is plenty to review14:11
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mriedemso check for cells patches14:11
mriedemsounds like the aggregates migration patches are moving along14:11
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mriedemand melwitt has started on instance groups migration14:12
mriedemstill need someone to start on quotas migrations though14:12
mriedemedleafe: highlights from scheduler meeting?14:12
mriedemcdent: ^14:12
cdentloads of generic-resource-pools code pending
edleafe with
edleafeStill focusing on cdent's series on resource providers / allocation / inventory - starts with
edleafeLive migrate multiple host spec still being reviewed, but now with POC code14:13
edleafethat's about it14:13
mriedemwhy are we reviewing that spec?14:13
edleafemriedem: mainly for direction14:14
mriedembut are people expecting that to be approved for newton?14:14
mriedemor just looking to ocata?14:14
mriedemah, ok14:14
edleafeit's like the qualitative stuff14:14
edleafewe want the discussion on the spec14:14
edleafebut we know it's ocata at the earliest14:14
mriedemok, makes sense, plus i'm sure this is fodder for the midcycle14:14
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edleafeI could move it to backlog if that makes things clearer14:15
mriedemno ocata is fine14:15
edleafemriedem: yeah, that too14:15
bauzasocata looks honestly the most reasonable14:15
mriedem50% of newton is going to be ocata right now :)14:15
mriedemso yeah14:15
mriedemmoving on - thanks guys14:15
bauzaseither way, we are on track with what we agreed14:16
edleafebauzas: but if we don't discuss now, ocata won't be possible14:16
mriedemPaulMurray: live migration meeting highlights?14:16
cdenton the resource providers stuff, near the end of that stack is the API WIP, which might benefit from some early review as, by design, it is not using nova.wsgi, and will probably rub some people funky, so we need to reach agreement sooner than later14:16
PaulMurraymost of the issues are around CI14:16
PaulMurraymriedem, probably has a better grasp of that than me14:16
mriedemwe have a patch for testing the stack with imagebackend 'flat'14:16
PaulMurrayNFS and ceph CI broken on xenial14:16
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mriedemyeah we're excluding nfs/ceph in the live migration job for a week14:17
* PaulMurray xenial = 16.0414:17
mriedemto see how stable the 'normal' scenario is14:17
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mriedemtdurakov has a fix for the nfs setup issue, but we're holding off o nit14:17
mriedemPaulMurray: anything else?14:18
PaulMurrayStorage pools work is progressing but worries around testing due to CI14:18
bauzasI thought infra wasn't supporting xenial ?14:18
PaulMurraysame as above14:18
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mriedembauzas: they have been for a few weeks now14:18
PaulMurraymanual testing being done as well14:18
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mriedemwe moved the live migration multinode job to xenial in the hopes that newer libvirt/qemu would solve some of the bugs14:18
PaulMurraynot to mention being able to test new features.....14:19
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PaulMurraynot much else to report on14:19
mriedemyeah, i'd like to see a tempest test for live migrating a rescue instance before that code lands, for example14:19
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PaulMurraymriedem, paul_carlton is working on it14:20
bauzasmriedem: k14:20
mriedembut if we can figure out that the live migration job in it's basic config is stable(ish) then we can talk about adding that to the check queue, at least non-voting14:20
* PaulMurray that's all the paul_carltons14:20
mriedemok, moving on, thanks Paul14:21
mriedemapi, sdague is out14:21
mriedemalex_xu: around?14:21
mriedemi was at that one,14:21
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mriedemwe mostly talked about the api proxy deprecation work, gmann has started on that14:21
mriedemand we talked about the extension removal spec, which sdague also posted in the ops and dev ML14:21
mriedemsdague has also started working on folding the various extensions back into the main paths14:22
mriedemthe idea being agree on how that's done with one extension (disk-config in this case), then others can start doing other extensions following that pattern14:23
mriedemapi-ref conversion is still happening too, albeit somewhat slowly14:23
mriedemmoshele: sriov/pci meeting highlights?14:24
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mosheleyes, so regrading CI14:24
rbradformriedem, I try to give api-ref a few hours a week just to see move14:24
mosheleMellanox CI with containers didn't work for us14:24
mriedemrbradfor: <314:24
moshelemany issues with containers so now we just looking on SR-IOV CI with multinode14:25
moshelefor the pci migration14:25
moshelewe several patches for fixing pci migration and revert migration   pci: Update binding:profile for SR-IOV ports -  Fix revert on migration with SR-IOV - Allocate PCI devices on migration:
moshelealso we found that resize and migration are racy because we don't update the resource usage and we wait for periodic task and this tix should solve it Update available resources before confirm stage
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moshelewe need to so more manual testing on migration and migration revert I plan to do it next week14:27
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mriedemok, sounds good. multinode CI for this stuff would be amazing.14:28
mriedemmoshele: anything else?14:29
mosheleI update the etherpad with patches that are ready for core review
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mriedemok, thanks moshele14:30
mriedemgibi_: was there a notifications meeting this week?14:30
gibi_yes, there was14:30
gibi_notification transformation work is ongoing14:30
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gibi_the first step, moving the notification code to separate package, has been merged14:30
gibi_the example notification transformations are up on review14:31
gibi_some of them is already waiting for core review14:31
gibi_see L21114:31
gibi_besides that14:31
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gibi_people are jumped on the low hangig fruit to transform similar notifications14:31
gibi_we have about 10 transformation patch proposed14:32
gibi_subteam is reviewing those14:32
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gibi_but they are quite easy patches14:32
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mriedemi'll be honest that the wrap_exception one confused me14:33
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mriedembut i didn't stare at it too long14:33
rlrossit_mriedem: just ask, I'm more than willing to explain :)14:33
gibi_me too14:33
mriedem#action mriedem to have a heart to heart with rlrossit_ this afternoon about that wrap_exception change14:33
mriedemanything else?14:34
gibi_that is all I think14:34
mriedemok, thanks14:34
mriedem#topic stuck reviews14:34
mriedemthere was nothing in the agenda14:34
mriedemanything someone needs to bring up there?14:34
mriedem#topic open discussion14:34
mriedemnothing on the agenda so i'll open it up14:34
auggyi've been pointing new contributors at the api-ref project, so just a heads up if you see folks asking in #nova14:35
auggythat's all :)14:35
mriedemthey have14:35
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mriedemand i point them at the wiki :)14:35
mriedemor at you14:35
auggyha, yeah thanks :)14:36
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auggywell i meant about api-ref stuff14:36
mriedemmostly questions like, how will i know i've done it correctly and it's perfect?14:36
mriedemthe -2 hammer of sass will let you konw14:36
mriedemthat's how14:36
mriedemany other items for open discussion14:36
andrearosaimplementation for non priority specs is ready with no reviews (actually just one):  and the code-freeze is coming.14:36
auggyah ok, I will update the Mentoring wiki page with a reminder to review the dev process and a link to what reviews are etc14:36
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mriedemandrearosa: is there a tempest test for that?14:37
andrearosain the last change yes14:37
andrearosaI have to check14:37
mriedemandrearosa: i want a tempest test on something like that before we land it14:37
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andrearosamriedem: ack14:37
mriedemhonestly i've spent most of the last week ironing out the tempest test for the get-me-a-network series and already flushed out race bugs in neutron because of it14:38
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mriedemso when we say in specs that we'll add tempest tests for things, i really want to stick to doing that before actually landing code14:38
mriedembecause i want to see tempest passing on a change first14:38
andrearosamakes sense14:38
mriedemandrearosa: i'm not trying to pick on you14:39
mriedemi'm just beating a drum14:39
mriedemok, anything else?14:39
mriedemthen let's end early, thanks everyone14:40
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HenryGhas armax delegated a chair?22:01
amullerarmax asked me to lead this particular session due to crappy wifi conditions22:01
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amullerkevinbenton: dougwig: carl_baldwin: ping22:01
njohnstonshould we #startmeeting?22:02
* dasm quietly sitting in corner, and looking at Drivers22:02
openstackamuller: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee'22:02
amullerI have no idea what I'm doing22:02
amuller#startmeeting drivers thingie22:02
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kevinbentonthat won't archive correctly :(22:03
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amuller#startmeeting neutron_drivers22:03
kevinbentonyou want "neutron_drivers"22:03
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers'22:03
ihrachys_what a mess22:03
amullerHi everyone22:03
amullerWe are gathered here today to go over
amullerplease run the query again I updated some states just a minute ago22:04
amullerFirst on my list is
openstackLaunchpad bug 1505631 in neutron "[RFE] QoS VLAN 802.1p Support" [Wishlist,Confirmed] - Assigned to Reedip (reedip-banerjee)22:04
carl_baldwinNot Triaged?22:04
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amullerI'm looking at comment 822:05
amullerIf Miguel our QoS czar thinks this makes sense for N22:05
amullerI think we should approve it, and if resources become an issue we flip it back to our backlog22:06
ihrachys_I don't think it will happen in N22:06
ihrachys_but he22:06
ihrachys_*but hey..22:06
amullerNo I don't either22:06
amullerBut the work should start22:06
njohnstonIn the QoS meeting we talked about it, and we said interest is low22:06
amullernjohnston: Is there any interest from anyone to actually push it?22:06
ihrachys_the general idea is fine, so I guess it's the matter of volunteers.22:07
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njohnstonamuller: not AFAIK22:07
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amullernjohnston: OK, I'll clear the assignee22:08
amullerSo we'll keep this in its current state, I'll attach eavsdrop to make it clear we're looking for an assignee for this one22:08
njohnstonsounds good22:08
amullernext up bypassing BGP is
openstackLaunchpad bug 1566520 in neutron "[RFE] Upgrade controllers with no API downtime" [Wishlist,Confirmed]22:09
njohnstontornado warning just got issues for this area, so if I drop it's OK, I either lost power or I'm dead22:09
amullerihrachys_: ^22:09
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ihrachys_oh well, I missed some Armando's comments there and was not responsive :-x22:10
ihrachys_amuller: should we skip so that I can give some details for the next meeting?22:10
amullerIsn't this the case of the work already being underway with both contributors and reviewers?22:10
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ihrachys_amuller: partially. it's multi facet feature though, and we started work on some pieces only22:11
amullerDo we want to approve this, or would further discussions / a spec be required?22:11
amullerihrachys_: Do you want to scope the work for the N cycle explicitly?22:11
ihrachys_there is a map of the effort as .svg file attached there22:11
ihrachys_amuller: I think armax wants me to describe strategy for API/HA22:11
ihrachys_the API thingy, it won't be a piece to choke in N for sure22:11
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ihrachys_but I guess it's a huge topic to start discussing it right now22:12
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ihrachys_I just need to sit and give it some thought and reply to armax22:12
amullerihrachys_: I'll flip the bug to 'Triaged' to signal it's under active discussion22:12
ihrachys_amuller: ok22:12
amullerMake sense?22:12
ihrachys_amuller: btw for objects stuff, there is a separate RFE22:12
ihrachys_amuller: and that one is long approved22:13
amotokimakes sense for triagged22:13
ihrachys_fyi, the objects RFE:
openstackLaunchpad bug 1541928 in neutron "Adopt oslo.versionedobjects for core resources (ports, networks, subnets, ...)" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Rossella Sblendido (rossella-o)22:13
ihrachys_hm, doesn't seem like it's marked as rfe, whateve22:14
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amullerAction item is on ihrachys_ to provide more details on the 'no downtime' RFE22:14
amullernext up is
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openstackLaunchpad bug 1578989 in neutron "[RFE] Strict minimum bandwidth support (egress)" [Wishlist,Confirmed]22:14
amullerReported by ajo22:14
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amullerHe told me he might be awake for this meeting, let's see if he succeeded :)22:14
ihrachys_I think that requires nova scheduler work. did it happen?22:15
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amullerIt also requires which is still in progres in Neutron22:15
openstackLaunchpad bug 1560963 in neutron "[RFE] Minimum bandwidth support (egress)" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Rodolfo Alonso (rodolfo-alonso-hernandez)22:15
amullerso, nothing to do about it yet22:15
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njohnstonand it's also approved22:16
njohnstonI think there is some progress there22:16
amullernjohnston: it's two separate RFEs22:16
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amulleranyway really nothing to discuss here as it's blocked by ongoing efforts22:16
amullermoving on22:16
openstackLaunchpad bug 1579068 in neutron "[RFE] VXLAN multicast groups distribution in linuxbridge" [Wishlist,Confirmed]22:16
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amullerSeems to me like Sean is OK with the general idea and we should iterate on the patch. Thoughts?22:17
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kevinbentoni'm not sure if this should just be config driven or if we should have an API22:18
kevinbentoni'm okay with the feature22:19
amullerAhh, that is a detail that should be decided out side of the patch :)22:19
kevinbentoni can see why you might need more fine-grained control to match config of network devices22:19
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kevinbentonamuller: well not necessarily22:19
kevinbentonamuller: if its API, it moves beyond linux bridge22:19
kevinbentonand sort of makes the target vxlan address for multicast more 'first class'\22:20
kevinbentonright now it's just a small linux bridge config option22:20
kevinbentonwhich is maybe okay to continue with22:20
kevinbentoni would say approve it22:20
kevinbentonwe can start with config option22:20
kevinbentonwill be small and non-invasive22:20
amullernew config options aren't free though, if there is a possible intention to deprecate the option and introduce a new API...22:21
amullerwe  should probably know ahead of time and go with either an option or an API22:21
amullerunless the option is required in both cases?22:21
kevinbentonno, i'm not sure i see the value in a new API quite yet22:21
dougwigo/, sorry i'm late22:22
kevinbentonthe OVS community has shown no interest in optimizing broadcast traffic via multicast22:22
kevinbentonso it's mainly linux bridge specific right now22:22
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amullerkevinbenton: I understand22:22
HenryGI don't see the usefulness of an API for this22:22
amotokiwith config option, can a feature requested achieved? is there any need to specify some information from outside?22:22
kevinbentonamotoki: RFE can be fulfilled with just config for linux bridge22:23
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amullerany objections to move forward then?22:23
amotokikevinbenton: so i agree to start it with config22:23
kevinbentonHenryG: i think the main thing would be getting a data model describing it for interoperability between ML2 drivers22:23
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kevinbentonHenryG: API itself isn't too useful22:24
HenryGAn API kind of implies you can turn it on and off. I'd think you just want to enable it and be done.22:24
kevinbentonHenryG: API would allow you to set a VNI's multicast address22:25
HenryGkevinbenton: Then add an API for just that.22:25
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kevinbentonHenryG: what else did you think we were talking about?22:25
amullerHenryG: it would only be applicable to the LB agent though, kevinbenton was pointing out that there is no ongoing work for OVS for this22:25
* HenryG rereads the rfe22:26
kevinbentonuse case is they want to set multicast addresses for VNIs22:26
carl_baldwinIt seems strange to only add it for LB.  Doesn't it?22:26
kevinbentoncarl_baldwin: right22:27
kevinbentoncarl_baldwin: which is why i was thinking a better generic approach would be useful22:27
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carl_baldwinShouldn't it be scoped to a network instead of an agent?22:27
kevinbentoncarl_baldwin: but OVS won't be able to use it22:27
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kevinbentoncarl_baldwin: yes, it's really a property of the segment22:27
kevinbentoncarl_baldwin: or maybe the port binding to that segment22:28
carl_baldwinThis is starting to make a little more sense.22:28
amotokilooking at the description of RFE, it looks this wants to configure multicast groups for VNI *ranges*.22:28
carl_baldwin"OVS won't be able to use it" ??22:28
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kevinbentoncarl_baldwin: OVS does not support multicast targets for VXLAN22:29
kevinbentoncarl_baldwin: and there was no interest from the community last time i emailed the list about it22:29
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carl_baldwinkevinbenton: ok22:29
kevinbentonovs thread about that22:30
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kevinbentonbut getting side tracked a bit now22:30
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amullersince this is LB specific for now, we can start with a config option22:30
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amullerif this becomes generally applicable we can revisit22:30
kevinbentoni don't think we have the bandwidth to try to include it in the data model anyway this cycle22:30
kevinbentonso i'm okay with config option22:30
carl_baldwinRight, I'm over on that side (okay with config option) now.22:30
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amullerGoing in 3...22:31
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amullernext up
openstackLaunchpad bug 1580149 in neutron "[RFE] Rename API options related to QoS bandwidth limit rule" [Wishlist,Confirmed] - Assigned to Slawek Kaplonski (slaweq)22:32
ihrachys_oh that one is very controversial22:32
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ihrachys_ajo wants to consider the following solution:
openstackLaunchpad bug 1586056 in neutron "[RFE] Improved validation mechanism for QoS rules with port types" [Wishlist,Confirmed] - Assigned to Slawek Kaplonski (slaweq)22:32
amullerYeah, I love that one22:32
njohnstonYes, the one ihrachys_ just linked to would solve a number of issues22:33
ihrachys_specifically, introducing a qos specific API to determine which API features are available22:33
ihrachys_which seems to me like reimplementing /extensions API endpoint, in a way22:33
ihrachys_though it is not exactly the mapping of /extensions since it's per-port type.22:34
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amullerihrachys_: I think part of the problem is that with ML2, you can't have mech drivers expose extensions, only the plugin itself22:35
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ihrachys_amuller: right. that's why the port-type part.22:35
amullerihrachys_: If you could expose extensions per mech driver, we could have SRIOV / LB / OVS expose higher resolution QoS related extensions22:35
amullerwithout a new API22:35
ihrachys_amuller: the original approach we took in Liberty for qos was that supported rule types == common subset of rules supported by all drivers22:35
kevinbentoni thought they could?22:35
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kevinbentonml2 has a whole extension manager thing22:36
ihrachys_kevinbenton: but not to define API extensions available to specific ports?22:37
amullerihrachys_: to specific ports or to the sriov/ovs/lb mech drivers?22:37
kevinbentonihrachys_: no, just to define API extensions in general22:37
ihrachys_kevinbenton: yes. the problem is, some drivers may support rule X while others don't22:37
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ihrachys_afaik atm unknown rules are just ignored22:38
amullerthis reminds me of an old bug I reported
openstackLaunchpad bug 1450067 in neutron "Server with ML2 & L3 service plugin exposes dvr extension even if OVS agent is unused" [Low,Confirmed]22:38
ihrachys_amuller: ports bound to drivers. I guess that's the right wording?22:38
amullerIf you run the L3 service plugin, it exposes DVR as supported, even if you're running ML2 with LB22:39
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amullerhere, the QoS service plugin exposes the 'qos' extension, without regard to specific rule types and the loaded ML2 mech drivers compatability22:39
ihrachys_I honestly prefer keeping API simple even if it means not exposing some features to users. just allow those rules that are supported by all drivers (as was originally intended during L)22:39
ihrachys_amuller: we have /rule_types API for qos that returns the list of supported rules22:39
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ihrachys_it's just that we don't enforce the set when creating rules22:40
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ihrachys_and I believe we should just enforce that22:40
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kevinbentonso you would need like a /rule_types?port_id=<port>22:40
ihrachys_as for the issue of additional attributes, that is a usual case of API extensions as for any other resources22:40
ihrachys_kevinbenton: sort of22:40
amullerdougwig: Did you handle something similar in LBaaS? I remember specific health checks not being supported by haproxy but the API happily returning 20022:41
ihrachys_or better, ?vnic_type=22:41
kevinbentonwell vnic_type wouldn't even be enough22:41
kevinbentonlinux bridge and OVS are same VNIC type, aren't they?22:41
ihrachys_yeah. maybe ajo assumed the port is bound, so you know the driver.22:42
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kevinbentonwho calls this API, just admins?22:43
ihrachys_kevinbenton: users of the API22:43
kevinbentonbecause regular users don't know anything about the port binding details22:43
ihrachys_kevinbenton: API is usually admin_only, but that can be changed with policy.json22:43
kevinbentonso don't expect them to query based on what they can't see :022:43
kevinbentoncan't depend on any of that22:44
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ihrachys_kevinbenton: it would be great if you can point that out in RFE22:45
amullerihrachys_: you're suggesting that the API will be better about validation and NACKing requests, right? In which case users don't have to query22:45
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ihrachys_amuller: yes. expose only things that will consistently work for all ports. if backend does not support a thing, just don't allow it. then it's only a matter of detecting if the rule type is available, and then using it for anything22:46
amullerihrachys_: what happens if you configue both the OVS and LB mech drivers but only have OVS agents?22:47
amullerlike devstack does22:47
dougwigamuller: in lbaas, we raise Unsupported() exceptions in drivers for API calls that are valid, but the backend doesn't support it.22:47
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ihrachys_amuller: you will have access to rule types that are common for LB and OVS. which is afaik atm all two rule types we have22:47
amullerihrachys_: right, I'm saying in a general manner that if something is applicable to OVS but not to LB, your suggestion would be to deny that request, even if LB is not actually used22:48
amullerihrachys_: assuming we're interested in a long term solution we will not have to revisit next cycle22:48
ihrachys_amuller: well, I say it's a wrong configuration if you load a driver that is not used, and hence it's ok to kick you in *aas22:48
amullerihrachys_: the other counter example would be to have OVS on some nodes and SRIOV on others22:49
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kevinbentonyeah, i'm not sure least common denominator makes sense22:49
ihrachys_that's a better example22:49
amullerihrachys_: and trying to apply a rule on an OVS port, with that rule not applicable to SRIOV22:49
amullerihrachys_: I was trying to build up22:50
amullerihrachys_: In that case we would want to mark the rule type as generally A-OK, but deny the request in case the rule is added to a policy that is bound to an SRIOV port22:51
amullerihrachys_: which is similar to what is done in LBaaS land22:51
kevinbentonand then refuse to bind a port if it has unenforcable qos policies22:52
ihrachys_how does the user know the driver that handles the port? or it's a matter of calling to API and check the result?22:53
ihrachys_'if it fails, apparently it's not supported'?22:53
kevinbentonyep :/22:53
amullerihrachys_: I say that phase 1 is better validation, 'it it fails it's not supported' as you put it, and a possible phase 2 is to add a query-API22:54
ihrachys_I think we have some thoughts on the matter, and we should capture something in RFE.22:54
ihrachys_amuller: I am definitely to postpone query-API if that's an option.22:55
amullerI'll dump this eavsdrop in the RFE, I'll let Miguel respond22:55
amullerWe don't have all stakeholders here22:55
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kevinbentonsteakholder ->
amullerI thought we could sneak in a potentially simple one for last22:56
openstackLaunchpad bug 1580327 in neutron "[RFE] Neutron Feature Classification" [Wishlist,Confirmed] - Assigned to Ankur (ankur-gupta-f)22:56
amullerIt's essentially more docs22:57
kevinbentonwas very confused at first reading the problem statement :)22:57
ihrachys_amuller: I think it's good as long as it's up to date22:57
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ihrachys_amuller: updating the page should be a part of pre-release preparation steps22:58
kevinbentonso Sam-I-Am was talking about something like this in the main meeting22:58
amotokiwe can start it and re-spin to improve them.22:58
kevinbentoni would rather have this than it being an ad-hoc decision in the docs22:58
amullerWho is the target audience for this?22:59
ihrachys_I think it's safe to approve and allow folks to code22:59
amullerIt isn't develoeprs it? Why is it in dev-ref then?22:59
amulleris it*?22:59
amulleroh wow I cannot spell22:59
ihrachys_amuller: I suspect just because it's easier to update it22:59
amotokii think it is better to catch up what happens in nova22:59
kevinbentoni think devref is okay and then docs can pull directly from it23:00
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kevinbentonbecause docs is talking about classifying feature stability as well23:00
amullersounds like double work :(23:00
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amullerwhy not contribute an initial version to the network-guide, then add feature stability or whatever columns people want?23:01
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amullerihrachys_: party pooper23:01
kevinbentonamuller: docs cores != neutron cores23:01
amulleranyway, I think we should approve as we seem to be ok with the high level intent, the destination of the docs can be discussed in the patch23:01
kevinbentonamuller: hard to have reviewers vouch for stability claims23:01
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amullerThank you everyone23:02
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amullerI'll post logs to each RFE23:04
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kevinbentonamuller: thx23:06
amullerkevinbenton: Thank you :)23:07
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