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| gmann | #startmeeting qa | 09:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 16 09:00:02 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is gmann. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'qa' | 09:00 |
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| gmann | hi who's here for today? | 09:00 |
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| andreaf | o/ | 09:01 |
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| gmann | andreaf: hi | 09:01 |
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| andreaf | gmann: hi | 09:01 |
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| gmann | let's wait some time to join more people | 09:01 |
| gmann | andreaf: looks like only we two are here today :) | 09:05 |
| andreaf | masayukig, mkoderer around? | 09:05 |
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| andreaf | yes it looks like so | 09:05 |
| gmann | masayukig: is out today for health checkup he mentioned | 09:05 |
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| andreaf | well if no-one else joins I'm not sure we should be running the meeting | 09:06 |
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| gmann | yea, just wait for more 2-3 min then we can cancel today one | 09:06 |
| andreaf | jordanP and afazekas don't seem to be online either | 09:06 |
| gmann | yea | 09:06 |
| dmellado | sorry I'm late | 09:07 |
| dmellado | Hi andreaf gmann | 09:07 |
| gmann | dmellado: hi | 09:07 |
| jlanoux_ | o/ | 09:08 |
| gmann | jlanoux_: hi | 09:08 |
| gmann | i think we have enough people now, we can start? and can finish early | 09:08 |
| dmellado | +1 | 09:09 |
| gmann | let's start | 09:09 |
| gmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Agenda_for_April_21st_2016_.280900_UTC.29 | 09:09 |
| gmann | ^^ today agenda | 09:09 |
| dmellado | gmann: april 21? | 09:10 |
| gmann | ops | 09:10 |
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| gmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/QATeamMeeting#Agenda_for_June_16th_2016_.280900_UTC.29 | 09:10 |
| gmann | #topic Specs Reviews | 09:10 |
| gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/qa-specs,n,z | 09:10 |
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| gmann | looks like all open spec are with review | 09:11 |
| gmann | anyone want to bring any specific spec | 09:11 |
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| gmann | if no then let's move | 09:12 |
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| gmann | #topic Tempest | 09:12 |
| gmann | we will discuss newton priority item here as listed in agenda | 09:13 |
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| gmann | andreaf: first one is yours - Remote client debuggability (andreaf) | 09:13 |
| andreaf | gmann: well we always have the full list of priorities in the agenda, not sure we should keep it | 09:13 |
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| dmellado | I think we could drop it, and bring only the updates maybe | 09:14 |
| mkoderer | hi | 09:14 |
| gmann | andreaf: humm, or we track the current ongoing items from them | 09:14 |
| dmellado | hi mkoderer | 09:14 |
| gmann | mkoderer: hi | 09:14 |
| gmann | dmellado: yea | 09:14 |
| gmann | so just discuss the items from people here | 09:14 |
| gmann | andreaf: you have anything to update from priority items? | 09:15 |
| gmann | andreaf: one is client refactor i think | 09:15 |
| gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest+branch:master+topic:bp/client-manager-refactor | 09:15 |
| andreaf | gmann: I don't have updates on remote clients debuggability, it's done for API tests - but the approach is different between API and scenario tests - I'm waiting on the scenario cleanup to happen before I can do that | 09:15 |
| gmann | andreaf: ok | 09:16 |
| dmellado | Then that'll be my turn then I guess :D | 09:16 |
| gmann | dmellado: yea we will come on your items | 09:16 |
| dmellado | from my side, I've been unable to allocate *any* time upstream since I came back from Austin, so I'm on best-effort on the scenario cleanup | 09:16 |
| dmellado | could we get some more volunteers in order to tackle that? | 09:17 |
| dmellado | (I've been promised more time, though, but don't want to overpromise...) | 09:17 |
| gmann | dmellado: which one? scenario cleanup? | 09:17 |
| dmellado | gmann: scenario cleanup, yep | 09:17 |
| dmellado | test class hierarchy, basically | 09:17 |
| gmann | dmellado: we have spec approved for that right or any etherpad about what all needed | 09:18 |
| dmellado | I don't want to stop anyone, althought I'll try my best it might not depend on me | 09:18 |
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| dmellado | gmann: there was an document on the methods that would need check-up | 09:18 |
| andreaf | dmellado: perhaps you could go to the ML asking for volunteers? | 09:18 |
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| dmellado | andreaf: will do | 09:18 |
| dmellado | andreaf: wouldn't you have the link around? | 09:18 |
| dmellado | can't find it now | 09:18 |
| gmann | yea that will be nice to get more people | 09:18 |
| gmann | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-tempest-squash-class-hierarchy | 09:19 |
| dmellado | gmann: I'll send an email to the ML with the links and formatting | 09:19 |
| gmann | dmellado: Thanks | 09:19 |
| andreaf | #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Y241ELbiM0djdFeII8mAiL8ZEQZwpBQlsV_2xbJUMMQ/edit?usp=sharing | 09:19 |
| dmellado | btw, and offtopic (sorry) is there any final time/date for the mid cycle | 09:20 |
| dmellado | I'd make it there and will try to make up the most of it | 09:20 |
| gmann | dmellado: mkoderer updated wiki for that | 09:20 |
| gmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/QAInfraNewtonSprint | 09:20 |
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| gmann | mkoderer: that is final dates and place right? | 09:20 |
| andreaf | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/QAInfraNewtonSprint | 09:21 |
| mkoderer | gmann: yes | 09:21 |
| dmellado | oh, nice | 09:21 |
| dmellado | I was waiting for an email on the ML | 09:21 |
| dmellado | but will sign myself there | 09:21 |
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| dmellado | thanks gmann mkoderer | 09:21 |
| gmann | mkoderer: cool | 09:21 |
| mkoderer | so I have booked two meeting rooms | 09:21 |
| mkoderer | and tried to put all needed information in the wiki | 09:21 |
| mkoderer | just let me know if somethine is missing | 09:21 |
| gmann | mkoderer: Thanks may be oomichi will send on ML | 09:22 |
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| gmann | mkoderer: sure, Thanks for that, happy to go Germany first time | 09:22 |
| mkoderer | gmann: will be fun | 09:22 |
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| gmann | yea | 09:23 |
| gmann | ok, let's move on | 09:23 |
| gmann | not sure about Neutron OO wrappers | 09:23 |
| andreaf | that merged yesterday https://review.openstack.org/#/c/320495/ | 09:23 |
| gmann | jlwhite : hockeynut started anything on this | 09:23 |
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| gmann | andreaf: oh nice, i did not notice those :) | 09:24 |
| gmann | next tempest-lib/plugin | 09:25 |
| andreaf | regarding documentation I did not have time to do a complete check yet, it will be an ongoing effort through the cycle for me | 09:25 |
| gmann | andreaf: ok, any specific thing we need to do on priority on doc | 09:25 |
| andreaf | gmann: no, the most urgent are done | 09:25 |
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| andreaf | gmann: on tempest-lib I've been working on migrating the client manager to lib | 09:26 |
| gmann | andreaf: ok, Thanks. and yea we can keep updating those on finding | 09:26 |
| gmann | andreaf: yea, i did not get time today to look into those. i will try tomorrow | 09:26 |
| andreaf | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest+branch:master+topic:bp/client-manager-refactor+is:mergeable | 09:26 |
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| andreaf | on tempest CLI, the workspace manager landed as well as initial support for un | 09:27 |
| andreaf | run | 09:27 |
| gmann | yea, that is nice | 09:27 |
| andreaf | mtreinish has a couple of patches up for run extensions | 09:28 |
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| andreaf | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest+branch:master+topic:bp/tempest-run-cmd | 09:28 |
| gmann | yea, after that i think we can adopt new workflow in gate and have our cmd tested on gate | 09:29 |
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| gmann | on service client migration, oomichi is working on image one and me on identity one | 09:30 |
| gmann | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/tempest+branch:master+topic:bp/consistent-service-method-names | 09:30 |
| dmellado | gmann: long work on that ;) | 09:31 |
| gmann | one issue(may not be) i found on identity is most of the list APIs does not support query of limit,marker | 09:31 |
| gmann | except list_tenants | 09:31 |
| gmann | i ran on my local env but doc state about that | 09:31 |
| gmann | so i will not add query param to those list method in service clients and raise bug on doc | 09:32 |
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| gmann | and if they support that then we can make change to service client which i think would not cause backward incompatibity (which adds kwargs) | 09:32 |
| gmann | which i think should be ok for all? | 09:33 |
| dmellado | +1 | 09:34 |
| andreaf | gmann: I'm not sure having kwargs in those already would be an issue | 09:34 |
| gmann | andreaf: yea there is no issue, and that is another option | 09:34 |
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| gmann | if we send limit query keystone just ignore as of now | 09:34 |
| gmann | so should we go with that, m ok for both way | 09:35 |
| andreaf | having kwargs allows test to try and send unexpected content to the API :) | 09:35 |
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| gmann | andreaf: yea, that is one benefit. ok lets go with kwargs which doc also states that | 09:36 |
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| gmann | next item - microversions testing (compute) | 09:37 |
| gmann | this one i need to start and cover as many as we can in Newton as nova has around 30 version up till now | 09:38 |
| gmann | and issue here is schema versioning we need to do if higher microversion tests are being added | 09:38 |
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| gmann | if we have all lower version tests we can avoid such situation | 09:39 |
| gmann | ok, thats all on those. | 09:40 |
| gmann | anything on Tempest or we move to next topic | 09:40 |
| andreaf | I'm trying to get pre-prov creds used in the gate | 09:41 |
| gmann | #topic DevStack + Grenade | 09:41 |
| gmann | andreaf: yah yea, saw mail. +1 on that | 09:41 |
| gmann | andreaf: you will try on neutron job first or layer4 ? | 09:42 |
| andreaf | gmann: after discussing with mtreinish we decided to start with layer4 because that runs on tempest only | 09:42 |
| andreaf | once we further prove stability we can move to other jobs | 09:42 |
| gmann | andreaf: yea nice point | 09:42 |
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| andreaf | so I tested pre-prov creds with layer4 tests and I found one role missing for heat tests | 09:43 |
| andreaf | fix is in #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/330252/ | 09:43 |
| andreaf | it's a very simple change, reviews are welcome :) | 09:43 |
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| gmann | nice, ll check right after meeting | 09:43 |
| gmann | andreaf: and at end we will be having around half using dynamic and half using pre-provisioned one right? | 09:43 |
| andreaf | gmann: that's my hope. pre-prov creds can help prevent regressions on resource cleanup, but we need to start running the cleanup script in dry mode in the gate to make that easier to troubleshoot in case it happens | 09:45 |
| gmann | andreaf: ok, dry mode will help in that | 09:45 |
| gmann | andreaf: one issue i faced on pre-provisioned account in Austin summit when we tried to run tempest with init workspace | 09:46 |
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| gmann | i think i talked to you may be, there was some issue on releasing the accounts | 09:47 |
| gmann | but i forgot totally, i will try to reproduce that if i can | 09:47 |
| andreaf | gmann: ok let me know | 09:48 |
| gmann | sure | 09:48 |
| andreaf | time's flying, we should probably move on | 09:49 |
| gmann | yea | 09:49 |
| gmann | we will skip devstack one if nobody has anything on those | 09:49 |
| dmellado | yep | 09:49 |
| gmann | openstack-health too? as masayukig mtreinish are not here | 09:49 |
| gmann | or andreaf you have anything on this | 09:49 |
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| andreaf | nothing from my side | 09:50 |
| gmann | ok | 09:50 |
| gmann | #topic Critical Reviews | 09:50 |
| gmann | most of priority review we talked, apart from them any other review anyone want to bring up | 09:50 |
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| gmann | #topic QA mid-cycle meetup | 09:52 |
| gmann | i think we already talked on this | 09:52 |
| gmann | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/QAInfraNewtonSprin | 09:52 |
| gmann | thanks mkoderer again | 09:52 |
| gmann | we will jump to open | 09:52 |
| gmann | #topic Open Discussion | 09:52 |
| andreaf | ok just one note on the client manager from my side | 09:53 |
| gmann | andreaf: sure | 09:53 |
| andreaf | since not all clients are in tempest.lib yet, the initial client manager for lib will only contain those migrated already | 09:53 |
| andreaf | because I don't want to have something in lib that depends on clients in tempest - changing that later would break backward compatibility | 09:54 |
| gmann | andreaf: yea that make sense. | 09:54 |
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| gmann | and gradually we can keep adding migrated one | 09:54 |
| andreaf | also I started preparing the stable client manager in lib_manager.py on tempest side because I want to make sure the interface looks good before it's moved to tempest.lib | 09:55 |
| andreaf | for now it only includes clients in tempest, I will add an interface to register extra clients from plugin later in the patch series | 09:55 |
| dmellado | sounds good, also if that affects another tempest plugins, they can migrate that later too | 09:55 |
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| gmann | andreaf: and do we want any plugin to adopt that before migrating this to lib ? | 09:56 |
| andreaf | dmellado: yes I'm maintaining manager.Manager same as before for plugins that already use that for now - so they are not broken by my changes | 09:57 |
| gmann | to avoid any interface change in lib | 09:57 |
| andreaf | once the stable manager is in lib plugins can start to migrate to it and we can then drop manager.Manager | 09:57 |
| gmann | can we ask any plugin to adopt new one and test new interface throughly while in tempest | 09:57 |
| andreaf | basically I'm having to maintain backward compatibility on non-stable classes for a bit to be nice to plugins - since we didn't have a stable client manager ready in time | 09:58 |
| gmann | andreaf: i was thinking before migraion to lib | 09:58 |
| andreaf | gmann: well but then they will have to change twice | 09:58 |
| gmann | andreaf: yea thats true but that will make sure all our interface works well | 09:58 |
| andreaf | gmann: and until it's on lib side it can change so they may be broken by changes | 09:59 |
| gmann | may be we can volunteer on those to update twice | 09:59 |
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| andreaf | gmann: it would be good to have a set of changes making the switch in the plugins for testing purposes | 09:59 |
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| gmann | yea, once we are ready to migrate then first test with 1 plugin then migrate | 10:00 |
| gmann | i can talk to mistral or congress one, my team mates work in those | 10:00 |
| dmellado | gmann: yep, also I was speaking with the mistral guys | 10:00 |
| dmellado | to modify the plugin | 10:00 |
| dmellado | as it didn't have the skip_checks there | 10:00 |
| andreaf | gmann: thanks | 10:00 |
| dmellado | and is quite small | 10:01 |
| andreaf | well, I guess we are at time | 10:01 |
| dmellado | so it'd be great to have it for testing | 10:01 |
| gmann | dmellado: sure let me know which one i can ask | 10:01 |
| gmann | ok time up, sorry guys | 10:01 |
| andreaf | we can continue in the qa room | 10:01 |
| gmann | let's switch to qa | 10:01 |
| dmellado | sure | 10:01 |
| gmann | yea | 10:01 |
| gmann | thanks all | 10:01 |
| gmann | #endmeeting | 10:01 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 16 10:01:34 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 10:01 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2016/qa.2016-06-16-09.00.html | 10:01 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2016/qa.2016-06-16-09.00.txt | 10:01 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/qa/2016/qa.2016-06-16-09.00.log.html | 10:01 |
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| katomo | #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Meeting | 13:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 16 13:00:14 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is katomo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:00 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_meeting' | 13:00 |
| katomo | who is here for I18n meeting? | 13:00 |
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| katomo | hi jftalta | 13:03 |
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| katomo | hi ianychoi_phone | 13:04 |
| jftalta | hi katomo | 13:04 |
| katomo | seems 3 people here | 13:04 |
| katomo | let's start | 13:05 |
| jftalta | ok | 13:05 |
| katomo | today, i dont have topic. | 13:05 |
| katomo | do you have any topic? | 13:05 |
| katomo | oops, I have ! | 13:06 |
| jftalta | Translations priorities ?... | 13:06 |
| katomo | good | 13:06 |
| ianychoi_phone | Hi :) | 13:06 |
| katomo | #topic translation priorities | 13:06 |
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| katomo | at now, we have priority at https://translate.openstack.org/ . | 13:06 |
| katomo | is it work for your team? | 13:07 |
| jftalta | Is the page up to date ? | 13:07 |
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| ianychoi_phone | I think so | 13:08 |
| katomo | sure | 13:08 |
| jftalta | ok, good. | 13:08 |
| jftalta | I guess the french team need some guidance about priorities | 13:08 |
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| katomo | hm | 13:09 |
| katomo | how? | 13:09 |
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| jftalta | But it's ok if Zanata home page is up to date. | 13:10 |
| katomo | okay | 13:11 |
| jftalta | What about the Horizon test machine ? | 13:11 |
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| katomo | working... but, need more time. | 13:11 |
| jftalta | Seems to be painfull... | 13:12 |
| katomo | eumel8 and elz is working on it. | 13:12 |
| jftalta | ok | 13:12 |
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| katomo | yeah | 13:12 |
| katomo | it's a hard work | 13:12 |
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| katomo | moving on next topic | 13:12 |
| jftalta | yes, I'm aware of it | 13:13 |
| katomo | #topic making core | 13:13 |
| katomo | I talked with amotoki | 13:13 |
| katomo | we think it is better to have more core members. | 13:13 |
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| jftalta | more core members ? | 13:14 |
| katomo | yes | 13:15 |
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| katomo | on Gerrit (Git review), core can use +2 +A | 13:15 |
| katomo | we have docs on i18n repos | 13:15 |
| jftalta | ok, I understand | 13:16 |
| katomo | core member review the patch for i18n repo | 13:16 |
| katomo | so, I added ianychoi_phone | 13:16 |
| ianychoi_phone | One question: are core member and core reviewer the same? | 13:16 |
| katomo | also, I'd like to add jftalta and eumel8 | 13:16 |
| katomo | oops | 13:16 |
| katomo | yes, core member = core reviewer, I say. | 13:17 |
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| ianychoi_phone | I see thanks! | 13:17 |
| ianychoi_phone | +1, for eumel8 | 13:17 |
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| katomo | jftalta: okay? | 13:17 |
| jftalta | Does this imply a big workload ?... | 13:18 |
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| katomo | I think it is low workload | 13:18 |
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| katomo | we have a few patches for i18n repo | 13:19 |
| jftalta | In that case, it's ok for me to :) | 13:19 |
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| katomo | and, we need more review, but review is not a mandatory | 13:19 |
| katomo | jftalta: thanks | 13:20 |
| jftalta | you're welcome | 13:20 |
| katomo | #topic open discussions | 13:20 |
| katomo | any other topic? | 13:20 |
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| jftalta | not more topic for me. | 13:21 |
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| katomo | okay. it is a short meeting. | 13:22 |
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| ianychoi_phone | katomo: does https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-i18n/+bug/1586041 solved? | 13:22 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1586041 in openstack i18n "Incorrect PO-Revision-Date in some translation files for aodh project" [High,In progress] - Assigned to KATO Tomoyuki (kato-tomoyuki) | 13:22 |
| katomo | thanks to join the meeting, fjtalta, ianychoi_phone | 13:22 |
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| katomo | hm | 13:22 |
| ianychoi_phone | I think it was the important one on the last meeting | 13:22 |
| katomo | working | 13:22 |
| katomo | almost done. | 13:23 |
| ianychoi_phone | Okay thanks :) | 13:23 |
| ianychoi_phone | Wow yep | 13:23 |
| katomo | but, we need Zanata patch for solving the cause | 13:23 |
| ianychoi_phone | Hmm... But it needs Zanata upgrade I think | 13:23 |
| katomo | because it is reproducable when we create newton branch. | 13:24 |
| katomo | yes | 13:24 |
| ianychoi_phone | Yep thanks for kind explanation! | 13:24 |
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| ianychoi_phone | No more from me | 13:24 |
| katomo | I will talk with Alex later. | 13:24 |
| jftalta | Zanata australian team will provide the path or the new version ?... | 13:24 |
| jftalta | patch | 13:24 |
| ianychoi_phone | Yep i think so | 13:25 |
| katomo | I'm not sure | 13:25 |
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| ianychoi_phone | Hmm.. | 13:25 |
| katomo | but, they are working on it with https://zanata.atlassian.net/browse/ZNTA-1145 | 13:25 |
| jftalta | ok | 13:25 |
| ianychoi_phone | Okay | 13:25 |
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| katomo | thanks, again | 13:26 |
| katomo | #endmeeting | 13:26 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 16 13:26:49 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:26 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2016/openstack_i18n_meeting.2016-06-16-13.00.html | 13:26 |
| ianychoi_phone | Thanks you katomo and jftalta ! | 13:26 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2016/openstack_i18n_meeting.2016-06-16-13.00.txt | 13:26 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/2016/openstack_i18n_meeting.2016-06-16-13.00.log.html | 13:26 |
| katomo | see you | 13:27 |
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| mriedem | #startmeeting nova | 14:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 16 14:01:06 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mriedem. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'nova' | 14:01 |
| claudiub | o/ | 14:01 |
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| jroll | \o | 14:01 |
| lxsli | o/ | 14:01 |
| _diana_ | o/ | 14:01 |
| BobBall | o/~ | 14:01 |
| PaulMurray | o/ | 14:01 |
| edleafe | \o | 14:01 |
| takashin | o/ | 14:01 |
| dansmith | yo | 14:01 |
| andrearosa | hi | 14:01 |
| gibi_ | o/ | 14:01 |
| MikeG451_ | o\ | 14:01 |
| auggy | o/ | 14:01 |
| gagehugo | o_/ | 14:01 |
| moshele | hi | 14:01 |
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| lyarwood | o/ | 14:01 |
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| sahid | o/ | 14:01 |
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| woodster_ | o/ | 14:02 |
| macsz | o/ | 14:02 |
| mnestratov|2 | o/ | 14:02 |
| * bauzas hopes not to see a lot of UK guys here :p | 14:02 | |
| macsz | :D | 14:02 |
| mriedem | alright let's get started | 14:02 |
| mriedem | #link meeting agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Nova#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 14:02 |
| mriedem | #topic release news | 14:02 |
| mriedem | #link Newton release schedule: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/Newton_Release_Schedule | 14:02 |
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| johnthetubaguy | bauzas: heh, I had to think quite hard what I was meant to be doing | 14:02 |
| mriedem | #info June 30: non-priority feature freeze (2 weeks from today) | 14:03 |
| mriedem | We have 100 approved blueprints: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/newton - 17 are completed, 16 have not started, 2 are blocked | 14:03 |
| mriedem | last week we had 86 approved blueprints, then johnthetubaguy and i did some spec/LP syncing | 14:03 |
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| mriedem | way more than we can possibly get done, which shouldn't come as a surprise | 14:03 |
| mriedem | looking back over mitaka and liberty we approved around the same number, but implemented ~60 | 14:04 |
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| mriedem | just noting that for context | 14:04 |
| mriedem | any questions about the release? | 14:04 |
| johnthetubaguy | +1 on mriedem's comments there | 14:04 |
| mriedem | #topic bugs | 14:04 |
| mriedem | i guess the topic thingy isn't working | 14:05 |
| mriedem | gate status looks ok | 14:05 |
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| mriedem | i'm not aware of any blocking issues there | 14:05 |
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| mriedem | 3rd party CI status - BobBall - looks like xenserver CI is OK again? | 14:05 |
| BobBall | I think so :) | 14:06 |
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| mriedem | mnestratov|2: any updates on the virtuozzo compute CI? | 14:06 |
| dansmith | what about | 14:06 |
| dansmith | yeah that :) | 14:06 |
| mnestratov|2 | mriedem: work in progress | 14:06 |
| dansmith | mnestratov|2: thanks for being responsive on this! | 14:06 |
| mnestratov|2 | i hope we will start it again today | 14:06 |
| mriedem | mnestratov|2: ok, sounds good | 14:06 |
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| mriedem | i don't see anyone from vmware around | 14:07 |
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| mriedem | but tjones was reporting issues in last week's meeting | 14:07 |
| mriedem | critical bugs - i'm not aware of any | 14:07 |
| mriedem | is auggy here? | 14:07 |
| auggy | i am! | 14:08 |
| mriedem | she is | 14:08 |
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| auggy | i'm not aware of any critical bugs, but i haven't been keeping track | 14:08 |
| mriedem | aunnam_: sneti: any critical bugs this week? | 14:08 |
| mriedem | ^ is on bug skimming duty | 14:08 |
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| mriedem | alright moving on | 14:08 |
| mriedem | #topic reminders | 14:08 |
| mriedem | #link Newton review focus list: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-priorities-tracking | 14:08 |
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| mriedem | general reminder to please keep that up to date | 14:08 |
| mriedem | #help https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Nova/BugTriage#Weekly_bug_skimming_duty Volunteers for 1 week of bug skimming duty? | 14:09 |
| mriedem | looks like we need people for next week | 14:09 |
| mriedem | open/new bugs are creeping up, 27 new in my view this morning | 14:09 |
| mriedem | usually when i complain about bug backlog sdague goes wild but he's on vacation | 14:10 |
| bauzas | okay, I'll see how I can help | 14:10 |
| mriedem | bauzas: thanks, i'll try to triage a few today too | 14:10 |
| mriedem | and we can high five later | 14:10 |
| * bauzas digs for his launchpad cape | 14:10 | |
| mriedem | #topic stable branch status | 14:10 |
| mriedem | nova mitaka 13.1.0 was released this week | 14:10 |
| mriedem | which contains a CVE fix | 14:10 |
| mriedem | and a bunch of other good fixes | 14:11 |
| mriedem | not much else for stable branch news | 14:11 |
| mriedem | #topic subteam highlights | 14:11 |
| mriedem | there wasn't a cells meeting this week, but there is plenty to review | 14:11 |
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| mriedem | so check https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-priorities-tracking for cells patches | 14:11 |
| mriedem | sounds like the aggregates migration patches are moving along | 14:11 |
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| mriedem | and melwitt has started on instance groups migration | 14:12 |
| mriedem | still need someone to start on quotas migrations though | 14:12 |
| mriedem | scheduler, | 14:12 |
| mriedem | edleafe: highlights from scheduler meeting? | 14:12 |
| mriedem | cdent: ^ | 14:12 |
| cdent | loads of generic-resource-pools code pending https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/generic-resource-pools+status:open | 14:12 |
| edleafe | with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/326440 | 14:12 |
| edleafe | ugh | 14:12 |
| edleafe | Still focusing on cdent's series on resource providers / allocation / inventory - starts with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/326440 | 14:13 |
| edleafe | Live migrate multiple host spec still being reviewed, but now with POC code | 14:13 |
| mriedem | so, | 14:13 |
| edleafe | that's about it | 14:13 |
| mriedem | why are we reviewing that spec? | 14:13 |
| edleafe | mriedem: mainly for direction | 14:14 |
| mriedem | but are people expecting that to be approved for newton? | 14:14 |
| mriedem | or just looking to ocata? | 14:14 |
| edleafe | no | 14:14 |
| mriedem | ah, ok | 14:14 |
| edleafe | it's like the qualitative stuff | 14:14 |
| edleafe | we want the discussion on the spec | 14:14 |
| edleafe | but we know it's ocata at the earliest | 14:14 |
| mriedem | ok, makes sense, plus i'm sure this is fodder for the midcycle | 14:14 |
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| edleafe | I could move it to backlog if that makes things clearer | 14:15 |
| mriedem | no ocata is fine | 14:15 |
| edleafe | mriedem: yeah, that too | 14:15 |
| bauzas | ocata looks honestly the most reasonable | 14:15 |
| mriedem | 50% of newton is going to be ocata right now :) | 14:15 |
| mriedem | so yeah | 14:15 |
| mriedem | moving on - thanks guys | 14:15 |
| bauzas | either way, we are on track with what we agreed | 14:16 |
| edleafe | bauzas: but if we don't discuss now, ocata won't be possible | 14:16 |
| mriedem | PaulMurray: live migration meeting highlights? | 14:16 |
| cdent | on the resource providers stuff, near the end of that stack is the API WIP, which might benefit from some early review as, by design, it is not using nova.wsgi, and will probably rub some people funky, so we need to reach agreement sooner than later | 14:16 |
| PaulMurray | most of the issues are around CI | 14:16 |
| PaulMurray | mriedem, probably has a better grasp of that than me | 14:16 |
| mriedem | we have a patch for testing the stack with imagebackend 'flat' | 14:16 |
| PaulMurray | NFS and ceph CI broken on xenial | 14:16 |
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| mriedem | yeah we're excluding nfs/ceph in the live migration job for a week | 14:17 |
| * PaulMurray xenial = 16.04 | 14:17 | |
| mriedem | to see how stable the 'normal' scenario is | 14:17 |
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| mriedem | tdurakov has a fix for the nfs setup issue, but we're holding off o nit | 14:17 |
| mriedem | PaulMurray: anything else? | 14:18 |
| PaulMurray | Storage pools work is progressing but worries around testing due to CI | 14:18 |
| bauzas | I thought infra wasn't supporting xenial ? | 14:18 |
| PaulMurray | same as above | 14:18 |
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| mriedem | bauzas: they have been for a few weeks now | 14:18 |
| PaulMurray | manual testing being done as well | 14:18 |
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| mriedem | we moved the live migration multinode job to xenial in the hopes that newer libvirt/qemu would solve some of the bugs | 14:18 |
| PaulMurray | not to mention being able to test new features..... | 14:19 |
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| PaulMurray | not much else to report on | 14:19 |
| mriedem | yeah, i'd like to see a tempest test for live migrating a rescue instance before that code lands, for example | 14:19 |
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| PaulMurray | mriedem, paul_carlton is working on it | 14:20 |
| bauzas | mriedem: k | 14:20 |
| mriedem | but if we can figure out that the live migration job in it's basic config is stable(ish) then we can talk about adding that to the check queue, at least non-voting | 14:20 |
| * PaulMurray that's all the paul_carltons | 14:20 | |
| mriedem | ok, moving on, thanks Paul | 14:21 |
| mriedem | api, sdague is out | 14:21 |
| mriedem | alex_xu: around? | 14:21 |
| mriedem | i was at that one, | 14:21 |
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| mriedem | we mostly talked about the api proxy deprecation work, gmann has started on that | 14:21 |
| mriedem | and we talked about the extension removal spec, which sdague also posted in the ops and dev ML | 14:21 |
| mriedem | sdague has also started working on folding the various extensions back into the main paths | 14:22 |
| mriedem | e.g. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/327188/ | 14:22 |
| mriedem | the idea being agree on how that's done with one extension (disk-config in this case), then others can start doing other extensions following that pattern | 14:23 |
| mriedem | api-ref conversion is still happening too, albeit somewhat slowly | 14:23 |
| mriedem | moshele: sriov/pci meeting highlights? | 14:24 |
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| moshele | yes, so regrading CI | 14:24 |
| rbradfor | mriedem, I try to give api-ref a few hours a week just to see move | 14:24 |
| moshele | Mellanox CI with containers didn't work for us | 14:24 |
| mriedem | rbradfor: <3 | 14:24 |
| moshele | many issues with containers so now we just looking on SR-IOV CI with multinode | 14:25 |
| moshele | for the pci migration | 14:25 |
| moshele | we several patches for fixing pci migration and revert migration pci: Update binding:profile for SR-IOV ports - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242573/21 Fix revert on migration with SR-IOV - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/326174 Allocate PCI devices on migration: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/328983/4 | 14:26 |
| moshele | also we found that resize and migration are racy because we don't update the resource usage and we wait for periodic task and this tix should solve it Update available resources before confirm stage https://review.openstack.org/#/c/327356/ | 14:27 |
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| moshele | we need to so more manual testing on migration and migration revert I plan to do it next week | 14:27 |
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| mriedem | ok, sounds good. multinode CI for this stuff would be amazing. | 14:28 |
| mriedem | moshele: anything else? | 14:29 |
| moshele | I update the etherpad with patches that are ready for core review https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-priorities-tracking | 14:29 |
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| mriedem | ok, thanks moshele | 14:30 |
| mriedem | gibi_: was there a notifications meeting this week? | 14:30 |
| gibi_ | yes, there was | 14:30 |
| gibi_ | notification transformation work is ongoing | 14:30 |
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| gibi_ | the first step, moving the notification code to separate package, has been merged | 14:30 |
| gibi_ | the example notification transformations are up on review | 14:31 |
| gibi_ | some of them is already waiting for core review | 14:31 |
| gibi_ | see https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-nova-priorities-tracking L211 | 14:31 |
| gibi_ | besides that | 14:31 |
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| gibi_ | people are jumped on the low hangig fruit to transform similar notifications | 14:31 |
| gibi_ | we have about 10 transformation patch proposed | 14:32 |
| gibi_ | subteam is reviewing those | 14:32 |
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| gibi_ | but they are quite easy patches | 14:32 |
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| mriedem | i'll be honest that the wrap_exception one confused me | 14:33 |
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| mriedem | but i didn't stare at it too long | 14:33 |
| rlrossit_ | mriedem: just ask, I'm more than willing to explain :) | 14:33 |
| gibi_ | me too | 14:33 |
| gibi_ | :) | 14:33 |
| mriedem | #action mriedem to have a heart to heart with rlrossit_ this afternoon about that wrap_exception change | 14:33 |
| mriedem | anything else? | 14:34 |
| rlrossit_ | <3 | 14:34 |
| gibi_ | that is all I think | 14:34 |
| mriedem | ok, thanks | 14:34 |
| mriedem | #topic stuck reviews | 14:34 |
| mriedem | there was nothing in the agenda | 14:34 |
| mriedem | anything someone needs to bring up there? | 14:34 |
| mriedem | #topic open discussion | 14:34 |
| mriedem | nothing on the agenda so i'll open it up | 14:34 |
| auggy | o/ | 14:35 |
| mriedem | \o | 14:35 |
| auggy | i've been pointing new contributors at the api-ref project, so just a heads up if you see folks asking in #nova | 14:35 |
| auggy | that's all :) | 14:35 |
| mriedem | they have | 14:35 |
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| mriedem | and i point them at the wiki :) | 14:35 |
| mriedem | or at you | 14:35 |
| auggy | ha, yeah thanks :) | 14:36 |
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| auggy | well i meant about api-ref stuff | 14:36 |
| mriedem | mostly questions like, how will i know i've done it correctly and it's perfect? | 14:36 |
| mriedem | the -2 hammer of sass will let you konw | 14:36 |
| mriedem | that's how | 14:36 |
| mriedem | any other items for open discussion | 14:36 |
| mriedem | ? | 14:36 |
| andrearosa | implementation for non priority specs is ready with no reviews (actually just one): https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bp/detach-boot-volume and the code-freeze is coming. | 14:36 |
| auggy | ah ok, I will update the Mentoring wiki page with a reminder to review the dev process and a link to what reviews are etc | 14:36 |
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| mriedem | andrearosa: is there a tempest test for that? | 14:37 |
| andrearosa | in the last change yes | 14:37 |
| andrearosa | nope | 14:37 |
| andrearosa | sorry | 14:37 |
| andrearosa | I have to check | 14:37 |
| mriedem | andrearosa: i want a tempest test on something like that before we land it | 14:37 |
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| andrearosa | mriedem: ack | 14:37 |
| mriedem | honestly i've spent most of the last week ironing out the tempest test for the get-me-a-network series and already flushed out race bugs in neutron because of it | 14:38 |
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| mriedem | so when we say in specs that we'll add tempest tests for things, i really want to stick to doing that before actually landing code | 14:38 |
| mriedem | because i want to see tempest passing on a change first | 14:38 |
| andrearosa | makes sense | 14:38 |
| mriedem | andrearosa: i'm not trying to pick on you | 14:39 |
| mriedem | i'm just beating a drum | 14:39 |
| mriedem | ok, anything else? | 14:39 |
| mriedem | then let's end early, thanks everyone | 14:40 |
| mriedem | #endmeeting | 14:40 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 16 14:40:09 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2016/nova.2016-06-16-14.01.html | 14:40 |
| bauzas | _o/ | 14:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2016/nova.2016-06-16-14.01.txt | 14:40 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/nova/2016/nova.2016-06-16-14.01.log.html | 14:40 |
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| amuller | <(^.^)> | 22:00 |
| ihrachys_ | oink | 22:01 |
| HenryG | has armax delegated a chair? | 22:01 |
| amuller | indeed | 22:01 |
| amuller | armax asked me to lead this particular session due to crappy wifi conditions | 22:01 |
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| amuller | kevinbenton: dougwig: carl_baldwin: ping | 22:01 |
| carl_baldwin | o/ | 22:02 |
| kevinbenton | \o | 22:02 |
| njohnston | should we #startmeeting? | 22:02 |
| * dasm quietly sitting in corner, and looking at Drivers | 22:02 | |
| amuller | #startmeeting | 22:02 |
| openstack | amuller: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee' | 22:02 |
| amuller | ugh | 22:02 |
| amuller | I have no idea what I'm doing | 22:02 |
| kevinbenton | NOOB! | 22:02 |
| kevinbenton | :) | 22:02 |
| amuller | #startmeeting drivers thingie | 22:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 16 22:02:51 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is amuller. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:02 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'drivers_thingie' | 22:02 |
| amuller | perfect | 22:02 |
| kevinbenton | that won't archive correctly :( | 22:03 |
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| amuller | #stopmeeting | 22:03 |
| amuller | #endmeeting | 22:03 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 16 22:03:34 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 22:03 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/drivers_thingie/2016/drivers_thingie.2016-06-16-22.02.html | 22:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/drivers_thingie/2016/drivers_thingie.2016-06-16-22.02.txt | 22:03 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/drivers_thingie/2016/drivers_thingie.2016-06-16-22.02.log.html | 22:03 |
| amuller | #startmeeting neutron_drivers | 22:03 |
| kevinbenton | you want "neutron_drivers" | 22:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Jun 16 22:03:47 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is amuller. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:03 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'neutron_drivers' | 22:03 |
| ihrachys_ | what a mess | 22:03 |
| amuller | Hi everyone | 22:03 |
| ihrachys_ | ahoj! | 22:04 |
| amuller | We are gathered here today to go over https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.status%3Alist=Confirmed&field.tag=rfe | 22:04 |
| amuller | please run the query again I updated some states just a minute ago | 22:04 |
| amotoki | hi | 22:04 |
| amuller | First on my list is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1505631 | 22:04 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1505631 in neutron "[RFE] QoS VLAN 802.1p Support" [Wishlist,Confirmed] - Assigned to Reedip (reedip-banerjee) | 22:04 |
| carl_baldwin | Not Triaged? | 22:04 |
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| amuller | I'm looking at comment 8 | 22:05 |
| amuller | If Miguel our QoS czar thinks this makes sense for N | 22:05 |
| amuller | I think we should approve it, and if resources become an issue we flip it back to our backlog | 22:06 |
| ihrachys_ | I don't think it will happen in N | 22:06 |
| ihrachys_ | but he | 22:06 |
| ihrachys_ | *but hey.. | 22:06 |
| amuller | No I don't either | 22:06 |
| amuller | But the work should start | 22:06 |
| njohnston | In the QoS meeting we talked about it, and we said interest is low | 22:06 |
| amuller | njohnston: Is there any interest from anyone to actually push it? | 22:06 |
| ihrachys_ | the general idea is fine, so I guess it's the matter of volunteers. | 22:07 |
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| njohnston | amuller: not AFAIK | 22:07 |
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| amuller | njohnston: OK, I'll clear the assignee | 22:08 |
| amuller | So we'll keep this in its current state, I'll attach eavsdrop to make it clear we're looking for an assignee for this one | 22:08 |
| njohnston | sounds good | 22:08 |
| amuller | next up bypassing BGP is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1566520 | 22:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1566520 in neutron "[RFE] Upgrade controllers with no API downtime" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 22:09 |
| njohnston | tornado warning just got issues for this area, so if I drop it's OK, I either lost power or I'm dead | 22:09 |
| amuller | ihrachys_: ^ | 22:09 |
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| ihrachys_ | oh well, I missed some Armando's comments there and was not responsive :-x | 22:10 |
| ihrachys_ | amuller: should we skip so that I can give some details for the next meeting? | 22:10 |
| amuller | Isn't this the case of the work already being underway with both contributors and reviewers? | 22:10 |
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| ihrachys_ | amuller: partially. it's multi facet feature though, and we started work on some pieces only | 22:11 |
| amuller | Do we want to approve this, or would further discussions / a spec be required? | 22:11 |
| amuller | ihrachys_: Do you want to scope the work for the N cycle explicitly? | 22:11 |
| ihrachys_ | there is a map of the effort as .svg file attached there | 22:11 |
| amuller | ok | 22:11 |
| ihrachys_ | amuller: I think armax wants me to describe strategy for API/HA | 22:11 |
| ihrachys_ | the API thingy, it won't be a piece to choke in N for sure | 22:11 |
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| ihrachys_ | but I guess it's a huge topic to start discussing it right now | 22:12 |
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| ihrachys_ | I just need to sit and give it some thought and reply to armax | 22:12 |
| amuller | ihrachys_: I'll flip the bug to 'Triaged' to signal it's under active discussion | 22:12 |
| ihrachys_ | amuller: ok | 22:12 |
| amuller | Make sense? | 22:12 |
| ihrachys_ | amuller: btw for objects stuff, there is a separate RFE | 22:12 |
| ihrachys_ | amuller: and that one is long approved | 22:13 |
| amotoki | makes sense for triagged | 22:13 |
| ihrachys_ | fyi, the objects RFE: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1541928 | 22:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1541928 in neutron "Adopt oslo.versionedobjects for core resources (ports, networks, subnets, ...)" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Rossella Sblendido (rossella-o) | 22:13 |
| carl_baldwin | +1 | 22:13 |
| ihrachys_ | hm, doesn't seem like it's marked as rfe, whateve | 22:14 |
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| amuller | Action item is on ihrachys_ to provide more details on the 'no downtime' RFE | 22:14 |
| amuller | next up is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1578989 | 22:14 |
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| openstack | Launchpad bug 1578989 in neutron "[RFE] Strict minimum bandwidth support (egress)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 22:14 |
| amuller | Reported by ajo | 22:14 |
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| amuller | He told me he might be awake for this meeting, let's see if he succeeded :) | 22:14 |
| ihrachys_ | I think that requires nova scheduler work. did it happen? | 22:15 |
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| amuller | It also requires https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1560963 which is still in progres in Neutron | 22:15 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1560963 in neutron "[RFE] Minimum bandwidth support (egress)" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Rodolfo Alonso (rodolfo-alonso-hernandez) | 22:15 |
| amuller | so, nothing to do about it yet | 22:15 |
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| njohnston | and it's also approved | 22:16 |
| njohnston | I think there is some progress there | 22:16 |
| amuller | njohnston: it's two separate RFEs | 22:16 |
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| amuller | anyway really nothing to discuss here as it's blocked by ongoing efforts | 22:16 |
| amuller | moving on | 22:16 |
| amuller | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1579068 | 22:16 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1579068 in neutron "[RFE] VXLAN multicast groups distribution in linuxbridge" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 22:16 |
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| amuller | Seems to me like Sean is OK with the general idea and we should iterate on the patch. Thoughts? | 22:17 |
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| kevinbenton | i'm not sure if this should just be config driven or if we should have an API | 22:18 |
| kevinbenton | i'm okay with the feature | 22:19 |
| amuller | Ahh, that is a detail that should be decided out side of the patch :) | 22:19 |
| kevinbenton | i can see why you might need more fine-grained control to match config of network devices | 22:19 |
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| kevinbenton | amuller: well not necessarily | 22:19 |
| kevinbenton | amuller: if its API, it moves beyond linux bridge | 22:19 |
| kevinbenton | and sort of makes the target vxlan address for multicast more 'first class'\ | 22:20 |
| kevinbenton | right now it's just a small linux bridge config option | 22:20 |
| kevinbenton | which is maybe okay to continue with | 22:20 |
| kevinbenton | i would say approve it | 22:20 |
| kevinbenton | we can start with config option | 22:20 |
| kevinbenton | will be small and non-invasive | 22:20 |
| amuller | new config options aren't free though, if there is a possible intention to deprecate the option and introduce a new API... | 22:21 |
| amuller | we should probably know ahead of time and go with either an option or an API | 22:21 |
| amuller | unless the option is required in both cases? | 22:21 |
| kevinbenton | no, i'm not sure i see the value in a new API quite yet | 22:21 |
| dougwig | o/, sorry i'm late | 22:22 |
| kevinbenton | the OVS community has shown no interest in optimizing broadcast traffic via multicast | 22:22 |
| kevinbenton | so it's mainly linux bridge specific right now | 22:22 |
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| amuller | kevinbenton: I understand | 22:22 |
| HenryG | I don't see the usefulness of an API for this | 22:22 |
| amotoki | with config option, can a feature requested achieved? is there any need to specify some information from outside? | 22:22 |
| kevinbenton | amotoki: RFE can be fulfilled with just config for linux bridge | 22:23 |
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| amuller | any objections to move forward then? | 22:23 |
| amotoki | kevinbenton: so i agree to start it with config | 22:23 |
| kevinbenton | HenryG: i think the main thing would be getting a data model describing it for interoperability between ML2 drivers | 22:23 |
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| kevinbenton | HenryG: API itself isn't too useful | 22:24 |
| HenryG | An API kind of implies you can turn it on and off. I'd think you just want to enable it and be done. | 22:24 |
| kevinbenton | HenryG: API would allow you to set a VNI's multicast address | 22:25 |
| HenryG | kevinbenton: Then add an API for just that. | 22:25 |
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| kevinbenton | HenryG: what else did you think we were talking about? | 22:25 |
| amuller | HenryG: it would only be applicable to the LB agent though, kevinbenton was pointing out that there is no ongoing work for OVS for this | 22:25 |
| * HenryG rereads the rfe | 22:26 | |
| kevinbenton | use case is they want to set multicast addresses for VNIs | 22:26 |
| carl_baldwin | It seems strange to only add it for LB. Doesn't it? | 22:26 |
| kevinbenton | carl_baldwin: right | 22:27 |
| kevinbenton | carl_baldwin: which is why i was thinking a better generic approach would be useful | 22:27 |
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| carl_baldwin | Shouldn't it be scoped to a network instead of an agent? | 22:27 |
| kevinbenton | carl_baldwin: but OVS won't be able to use it | 22:27 |
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| kevinbenton | carl_baldwin: yes, it's really a property of the segment | 22:27 |
| kevinbenton | carl_baldwin: or maybe the port binding to that segment | 22:28 |
| carl_baldwin | This is starting to make a little more sense. | 22:28 |
| amotoki | looking at the description of RFE, it looks this wants to configure multicast groups for VNI *ranges*. | 22:28 |
| carl_baldwin | "OVS won't be able to use it" ?? | 22:28 |
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| kevinbenton | carl_baldwin: OVS does not support multicast targets for VXLAN | 22:29 |
| kevinbenton | carl_baldwin: and there was no interest from the community last time i emailed the list about it | 22:29 |
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| carl_baldwin | kevinbenton: ok | 22:29 |
| kevinbenton | #link http://openvswitch.org/pipermail/discuss/2016-January/019897.html | 22:30 |
| kevinbenton | ovs thread about that | 22:30 |
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| kevinbenton | but getting side tracked a bit now | 22:30 |
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| amuller | since this is LB specific for now, we can start with a config option | 22:30 |
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| amuller | if this becomes generally applicable we can revisit | 22:30 |
| kevinbenton | i don't think we have the bandwidth to try to include it in the data model anyway this cycle | 22:30 |
| kevinbenton | so i'm okay with config option | 22:30 |
| carl_baldwin | Right, I'm over on that side (okay with config option) now. | 22:30 |
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| amuller | Going in 3... | 22:31 |
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| amuller | alright | 22:31 |
| amuller | next up https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1580149 | 22:32 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1580149 in neutron "[RFE] Rename API options related to QoS bandwidth limit rule" [Wishlist,Confirmed] - Assigned to Slawek Kaplonski (slaweq) | 22:32 |
| ihrachys_ | oh that one is very controversial | 22:32 |
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| amuller | heh | 22:32 |
| ihrachys_ | ajo wants to consider the following solution: https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1586056 | 22:32 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1586056 in neutron "[RFE] Improved validation mechanism for QoS rules with port types" [Wishlist,Confirmed] - Assigned to Slawek Kaplonski (slaweq) | 22:32 |
| amuller | Yeah, I love that one | 22:32 |
| njohnston | Yes, the one ihrachys_ just linked to would solve a number of issues | 22:33 |
| ihrachys_ | specifically, introducing a qos specific API to determine which API features are available | 22:33 |
| ihrachys_ | which seems to me like reimplementing /extensions API endpoint, in a way | 22:33 |
| ihrachys_ | though it is not exactly the mapping of /extensions since it's per-port type. | 22:34 |
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| amuller | ihrachys_: I think part of the problem is that with ML2, you can't have mech drivers expose extensions, only the plugin itself | 22:35 |
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| ihrachys_ | amuller: right. that's why the port-type part. | 22:35 |
| amuller | ihrachys_: If you could expose extensions per mech driver, we could have SRIOV / LB / OVS expose higher resolution QoS related extensions | 22:35 |
| amuller | without a new API | 22:35 |
| ihrachys_ | amuller: the original approach we took in Liberty for qos was that supported rule types == common subset of rules supported by all drivers | 22:35 |
| kevinbenton | i thought they could? | 22:35 |
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| kevinbenton | ml2 has a whole extension manager thing | 22:36 |
| ihrachys_ | kevinbenton: but not to define API extensions available to specific ports? | 22:37 |
| amuller | ihrachys_: to specific ports or to the sriov/ovs/lb mech drivers? | 22:37 |
| kevinbenton | ihrachys_: no, just to define API extensions in general | 22:37 |
| ihrachys_ | kevinbenton: yes. the problem is, some drivers may support rule X while others don't | 22:37 |
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| ihrachys_ | afaik atm unknown rules are just ignored | 22:38 |
| amuller | this reminds me of an old bug I reported https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1450067 | 22:38 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1450067 in neutron "Server with ML2 & L3 service plugin exposes dvr extension even if OVS agent is unused" [Low,Confirmed] | 22:38 |
| ihrachys_ | amuller: ports bound to drivers. I guess that's the right wording? | 22:38 |
| amuller | If you run the L3 service plugin, it exposes DVR as supported, even if you're running ML2 with LB | 22:39 |
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| amuller | here, the QoS service plugin exposes the 'qos' extension, without regard to specific rule types and the loaded ML2 mech drivers compatability | 22:39 |
| ihrachys_ | I honestly prefer keeping API simple even if it means not exposing some features to users. just allow those rules that are supported by all drivers (as was originally intended during L) | 22:39 |
| ihrachys_ | amuller: we have /rule_types API for qos that returns the list of supported rules | 22:39 |
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| ihrachys_ | it's just that we don't enforce the set when creating rules | 22:40 |
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| amuller | right | 22:40 |
| ihrachys_ | and I believe we should just enforce that | 22:40 |
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| kevinbenton | so you would need like a /rule_types?port_id=<port> | 22:40 |
| ihrachys_ | as for the issue of additional attributes, that is a usual case of API extensions as for any other resources | 22:40 |
| ihrachys_ | kevinbenton: sort of | 22:40 |
| amuller | dougwig: Did you handle something similar in LBaaS? I remember specific health checks not being supported by haproxy but the API happily returning 200 | 22:41 |
| ihrachys_ | or better, ?vnic_type= | 22:41 |
| kevinbenton | well vnic_type wouldn't even be enough | 22:41 |
| kevinbenton | linux bridge and OVS are same VNIC type, aren't they? | 22:41 |
| kevinbenton | 'normal' | 22:41 |
| ihrachys_ | yeah. maybe ajo assumed the port is bound, so you know the driver. | 22:42 |
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| kevinbenton | who calls this API, just admins? | 22:43 |
| ihrachys_ | kevinbenton: users of the API | 22:43 |
| kevinbenton | because regular users don't know anything about the port binding details | 22:43 |
| ihrachys_ | kevinbenton: API is usually admin_only, but that can be changed with policy.json | 22:43 |
| kevinbenton | so don't expect them to query based on what they can't see :0 | 22:43 |
| kevinbenton | :) | 22:43 |
| kevinbenton | https://github.com/openstack/neutron/blob/496f1f75e8b97c486ebdcb1e505d71656398026c/etc/policy.json#L83-L86 | 22:44 |
| kevinbenton | can't depend on any of that | 22:44 |
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| ihrachys_ | kevinbenton: it would be great if you can point that out in RFE | 22:45 |
| amuller | ihrachys_: you're suggesting that the API will be better about validation and NACKing requests, right? In which case users don't have to query | 22:45 |
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| ihrachys_ | amuller: yes. expose only things that will consistently work for all ports. if backend does not support a thing, just don't allow it. then it's only a matter of detecting if the rule type is available, and then using it for anything | 22:46 |
| amuller | ihrachys_: what happens if you configue both the OVS and LB mech drivers but only have OVS agents? | 22:47 |
| amuller | like devstack does | 22:47 |
| dougwig | amuller: in lbaas, we raise Unsupported() exceptions in drivers for API calls that are valid, but the backend doesn't support it. | 22:47 |
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| ihrachys_ | amuller: you will have access to rule types that are common for LB and OVS. which is afaik atm all two rule types we have | 22:47 |
| amuller | ihrachys_: right, I'm saying in a general manner that if something is applicable to OVS but not to LB, your suggestion would be to deny that request, even if LB is not actually used | 22:48 |
| amuller | ihrachys_: assuming we're interested in a long term solution we will not have to revisit next cycle | 22:48 |
| ihrachys_ | amuller: well, I say it's a wrong configuration if you load a driver that is not used, and hence it's ok to kick you in *aas | 22:48 |
| amuller | hah | 22:48 |
| amuller | ihrachys_: the other counter example would be to have OVS on some nodes and SRIOV on others | 22:49 |
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| kevinbenton | yeah, i'm not sure least common denominator makes sense | 22:49 |
| ihrachys_ | that's a better example | 22:49 |
| amuller | ihrachys_: and trying to apply a rule on an OVS port, with that rule not applicable to SRIOV | 22:49 |
| amuller | ihrachys_: I was trying to build up | 22:50 |
| amuller | ihrachys_: In that case we would want to mark the rule type as generally A-OK, but deny the request in case the rule is added to a policy that is bound to an SRIOV port | 22:51 |
| amuller | ihrachys_: which is similar to what is done in LBaaS land | 22:51 |
| kevinbenton | and then refuse to bind a port if it has unenforcable qos policies | 22:52 |
| ihrachys_ | how does the user know the driver that handles the port? or it's a matter of calling to API and check the result? | 22:53 |
| ihrachys_ | 'if it fails, apparently it's not supported'? | 22:53 |
| kevinbenton | yep :/ | 22:53 |
| ihrachys_ | nice | 22:54 |
| amuller | ihrachys_: I say that phase 1 is better validation, 'it it fails it's not supported' as you put it, and a possible phase 2 is to add a query-API | 22:54 |
| ihrachys_ | I think we have some thoughts on the matter, and we should capture something in RFE. | 22:54 |
| ihrachys_ | amuller: I am definitely to postpone query-API if that's an option. | 22:55 |
| amuller | I'll dump this eavsdrop in the RFE, I'll let Miguel respond | 22:55 |
| amuller | We don't have all stakeholders here | 22:55 |
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| kevinbenton | steakholder -> http://i.imgur.com/IxMX0sR.jpg | 22:56 |
| ihrachys_ | :)) | 22:56 |
| amuller | I thought we could sneak in a potentially simple one for last | 22:56 |
| amuller | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1580327 | 22:56 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1580327 in neutron "[RFE] Neutron Feature Classification" [Wishlist,Confirmed] - Assigned to Ankur (ankur-gupta-f) | 22:56 |
| amuller | It's essentially more docs | 22:57 |
| kevinbenton | NOT RELATED TO NEUTRON CLASSIFIER | 22:57 |
| kevinbenton | was very confused at first reading the problem statement :) | 22:57 |
| ihrachys_ | amuller: I think it's good as long as it's up to date | 22:57 |
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| ihrachys_ | amuller: updating the page should be a part of pre-release preparation steps | 22:58 |
| kevinbenton | so Sam-I-Am was talking about something like this in the main meeting | 22:58 |
| amotoki | we can start it and re-spin to improve them. | 22:58 |
| kevinbenton | i would rather have this than it being an ad-hoc decision in the docs | 22:58 |
| amuller | Who is the target audience for this? | 22:59 |
| ihrachys_ | I think it's safe to approve and allow folks to code | 22:59 |
| amuller | It isn't develoeprs it? Why is it in dev-ref then? | 22:59 |
| amuller | is it*? | 22:59 |
| amuller | oh wow I cannot spell | 22:59 |
| ihrachys_ | amuller: I suspect just because it's easier to update it | 22:59 |
| amotoki | i think it is better to catch up what happens in nova | 22:59 |
| kevinbenton | i think devref is okay and then docs can pull directly from it | 23:00 |
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| kevinbenton | because docs is talking about classifying feature stability as well | 23:00 |
| amuller | sounds like double work :( | 23:00 |
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| amuller | why not contribute an initial version to the network-guide, then add feature stability or whatever columns people want? | 23:01 |
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| ihrachys_ | time! | 23:01 |
| amuller | ihrachys_: party pooper | 23:01 |
| kevinbenton | amuller: docs cores != neutron cores | 23:01 |
| amuller | anyway, I think we should approve as we seem to be ok with the high level intent, the destination of the docs can be discussed in the patch | 23:01 |
| kevinbenton | amuller: hard to have reviewers vouch for stability claims | 23:01 |
| kevinbenton | SGTM | 23:02 |
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| amuller | Thank you everyone | 23:02 |
| amuller | #sendmeeting | 23:02 |
| amuller | ok | 23:02 |
| amuller | #endmeeting | 23:02 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Jun 16 23:02:24 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2016/neutron_drivers.2016-06-16-22.03.html | 23:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2016/neutron_drivers.2016-06-16-22.03.txt | 23:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/neutron_drivers/2016/neutron_drivers.2016-06-16-22.03.log.html | 23:02 |
| amuller | I'll post logs to each RFE | 23:04 |
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| kevinbenton | amuller: thx | 23:06 |
| amuller | kevinbenton: Thank you :) | 23:07 |
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