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| JRobinson__ | Hi all, we'll start the APAC docs meeting in about 3 to 5 minutes | 00:27 |
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| loquacities | hi everyone, sorry i'm running late | 00:33 |
| loquacities | #startmeeting docteam | 00:33 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 15 00:33:56 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is loquacities. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 00:33 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 00:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 00:33 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 00:33 |
| loquacities | who's here? | 00:34 |
| lbragstad | o/ | 00:34 |
| JRobinson__ | I'm here o/ | 00:34 |
| loquacities | heya lbragstad | 00:34 |
| loquacities | good to see you :) | 00:34 |
| lbragstad | good to be here! | 00:34 |
| loquacities | might be a quiet meeting, i forgot to send a reminder :S | 00:34 |
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| loquacities | anyone seen kato around recently? | 00:35 |
| bmoss | I'm here too | 00:35 |
| loquacities | heya bmoss | 00:35 |
| bmoss | howdy | 00:35 |
| darrenc | o/ | 00:35 |
| loquacities | heya darrenc | 00:35 |
| darrenc | hiya | 00:35 |
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| loquacities | #topic Action items from the last meeting | 00:36 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action items from the last meeting (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 00:36 | |
| loquacities | #info no action items from the US meeting | 00:36 |
| loquacities | #info from the APAC meeting: loquacities to email CPLs directly this week about install guide participation | 00:36 |
| loquacities | #info i can safely say i did that thing :) | 00:37 |
| JRobinson__ | Yep, saw that email. | 00:37 |
| loquacities | #topic Specs in review | 00:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Specs in review (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 00:37 | |
| JRobinson__ | Install guide progress is happening | 00:37 |
| loquacities | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/docs-specs,n,z | 00:37 |
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| loquacities | just that training guides spec still there | 00:37 |
| JRobinson__ | ^Looks like Julen's spec needs a recheck | 00:37 |
| JRobinson__ | The error is something to do with the README file | 00:37 |
| katomo | o/ | 00:38 |
| loquacities | yeah, i'm not sure what's going on with that one, tbh | 00:38 |
| loquacities | katomo! i was wondering where you were :) | 00:38 |
| katomo | haha | 00:38 |
| loquacities | thanks for joining :) | 00:38 |
| loquacities | #topic Speciality teams | 00:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Speciality teams (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 00:38 | |
| loquacities | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Speciality_Team_Reports | 00:39 |
| loquacities | so, install guide is progressing nicely | 00:39 |
| loquacities | we have reps for all projects now | 00:39 |
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| katomo | yay! | 00:39 |
| loquacities | laurel michaels has put her hand to help with trove, which was the last one | 00:39 |
| JRobinson__ | Good to hear :) | 00:40 |
| loquacities | and we've got the beginnings of some instructions in the contributor guide now | 00:40 |
| loquacities | JRobinson__: did you have a user guides update? | 00:40 |
| JRobinson__ | Just that there will be a US time meeting tomorrow, but the APAC meeting is cancelled for this fortnight. | 00:40 |
| loquacities | ah, ok | 00:41 |
| JRobinson__ | #info No User Guide APAC meeting this fortnight. | 00:41 |
| loquacities | ta | 00:41 |
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| loquacities | oh, i should mention that i'm going over the core team governance for the training guides/labs teams too | 00:41 |
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| loquacities | it turns out the core team lists have gootten quite outdated, so we're trying to come up with a way to better manage that | 00:41 |
| katomo | ah | 00:42 |
| loquacities | katomo: anything on the config/CLI ref? | 00:42 |
| katomo | I'm working on factoring out common configurations into a separete chapter. | 00:42 |
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| loquacities | sweet | 00:42 |
| katomo | It is a first step for Newton. | 00:43 |
| loquacities | oh, did you get my email about the guy who wants to update old versions of the config ref? | 00:43 |
| katomo | We are trying on new auto generation tool for configuration. | 00:43 |
| loquacities | oh, how's that going? | 00:44 |
| katomo | sorry I'm out of office | 00:44 |
| katomo | so, not yet. | 00:44 |
| loquacities | ah, ok, np :) | 00:44 |
| katomo | I will read later | 00:44 |
| katomo | thanks | 00:44 |
| loquacities | ok, let's move on | 00:44 |
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| loquacities | #topic Countdown to release | 00:45 |
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| loquacities | #info 112 days! | 00:45 |
| loquacities | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/NewtonDeliverables | 00:45 |
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| loquacities | personally, i think we're tracking pretty well | 00:45 |
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| loquacities | any questions/comments on anything there? | 00:46 |
| katomo | o/ | 00:46 |
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| loquacities | yay | 00:46 |
| JRobinson__ | I've started the IA plan for the User Guides, so some small progress there | 00:46 |
| katomo | HA Guide? | 00:46 |
| loquacities | nice work JRobinson__ :) | 00:46 |
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| loquacities | oh, good point | 00:47 |
| loquacities | i saw matt posted to the list | 00:47 |
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| loquacities | and the silence was deafening | 00:47 |
| katomo | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2016-June/008733.html | 00:47 |
| loquacities | does anyone here have an opinion? | 00:47 |
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| bmoss_ | sorry, missed the question. Stupid Telstra | 00:47 |
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| loquacities | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2016-June/008733.html | 00:47 |
| katomo | loquacities: I think we need a new lead. | 00:48 |
| loquacities | bmoss_: about the HA guide | 00:48 |
| loquacities | katomo: yeah, i agree with you | 00:48 |
| darrenc | +1 | 00:48 |
| bmoss_ | yep | 00:48 |
| loquacities | but do we have anyone willing to take this thing on? | 00:48 |
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| darrenc | I think the ha guide could be integrated in the ops guide | 00:48 |
| katomo | Unfortunately, I'm full :) | 00:48 |
| loquacities | i guess the easy answer is to kill it and wait to see if a good samaritan comes out of the woodwork | 00:48 |
| loquacities | katomo: that's very true! | 00:48 |
| loquacities | darrenc: yeah, quite possibly | 00:48 |
| katomo | darrenc: agree | 00:48 |
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| loquacities | the trick is working out what's actually relevant and useful | 00:49 |
| lbragstad | if there is anything keystone-specific in the ha guide i can help out | 00:49 |
| loquacities | ok, i might see if i can poke this one a little and see what falls out | 00:49 |
| lbragstad | er keystone-specific that needs clarification * | 00:50 |
| katomo | lbragstad: nice | 00:50 |
| loquacities | #action loquacities to ask Bogdan about killing the HA guide and incorporating into the ops guide | 00:50 |
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| loquacities | in the meantime, we might do what Matt said and mark it as deprecated or something | 00:51 |
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| loquacities | anything else on that topic? | 00:51 |
| katomo | IIRC, Andreas knows the HA specialist from SUSE. | 00:51 |
| loquacities | oh, good tip! | 00:52 |
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| loquacities | ok, let's move on | 00:53 |
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| loquacities | #topic Open discussion | 00:53 |
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| loquacities | wow, the bot is laggy | 00:53 |
| loquacities | anything else? | 00:54 |
| katomo | it's all from me at now. | 00:54 |
| loquacities | cool | 00:54 |
| JRobinson__ | Nothing further to add. | 00:55 |
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| darrenc | nothing from me | 00:55 |
| loquacities | thanks | 00:55 |
| lbragstad | i'm good | 00:55 |
| loquacities | ok, that's it everyone, thank you :) | 00:55 |
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| loquacities | #endmeeting | 00:55 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 15 00:55:32 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 00:55 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2016/docteam.2016-06-15-00.33.html | 00:55 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2016/docteam.2016-06-15-00.33.txt | 00:55 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2016/docteam.2016-06-15-00.33.log.html | 00:55 |
| katomo | thanks, all | 00:55 |
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| darrenc | thanks! | 00:55 |
| loquacities | o/ | 00:55 |
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| JRobinson__ | Thanks everyone. | 00:56 |
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| bmoss | o/ | 00:56 |
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| ricolin | #startmeeting heat | 08:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 15 08:01:31 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ricolin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 08:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 08:01 |
| ricolin | #topic Roll call | 08:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll call (Meeting topic: heat)" | 08:02 | |
| stevebaker | \o | 08:02 |
| ramishra | hi | 08:02 |
| ricolin | o/ | 08:02 |
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| elynn | o/ | 08:02 |
| huangtianhua | :) | 08:02 |
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| ricolin | #topic Adding items to agenda | 08:02 |
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| *** openstack changes topic to "Adding items to agenda (Meeting topic: heat)" | 08:02 | |
| KanagarajM | hi | 08:03 |
| ricolin | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282016-06-15_0800_UTC.29 | 08:03 |
| stevebaker | ricolin: could you add nested-depth event list | 08:03 |
| ricolin | stevebaker: sure | 08:03 |
| ricolin | #topic HOT generator | 08:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "HOT generator (Meeting topic: heat)" | 08:05 | |
| ricolin | https://review.openstack.org/328822 | 08:05 |
| KanagarajM | team, i tried to put the spec for HOT generator ^^ | 08:05 |
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| KanagarajM | this is mainly for generating the HOT template using python API. I and jdob tried to bring up a POC for the same | 08:06 |
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| KanagarajM | i would need your help on reviewing it and if possible planing to push it for n-2 :) | 08:07 |
| ricolin | Will give it a look:) | 08:07 |
| KanagarajM | ricolin, sure. thanks. | 08:07 |
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| ricolin | Maybe also intreasting to getting futher feature over this like Stack template generater on horizon UI:) | 08:09 |
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| KanagarajM | ricolin, yes. that is nice idea ! | 08:09 |
| ricolin | #topic nested-depth event list | 08:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "nested-depth event list (Meeting topic: heat)" | 08:10 | |
| stevebaker | hey, I have a spec-lite bug for this here https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1588561 | 08:10 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1588561 in python-heatclient "event list REST API call should support nested stacks" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Steve Baker (steve-stevebaker) | 08:10 |
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| stevebaker | and the heat and heatclient reviews are ready to go | 08:10 |
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| stevebaker | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:bug/1588561 | 08:11 |
| shardy | o/ | 08:11 |
| shardy | sorry I'm late | 08:11 |
| stevebaker | shardy: oh, perfect timing | 08:11 |
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| stevebaker | shardy: I have a spec-lite bug for this here https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1588561 | 08:11 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1588561 in python-heatclient "event list REST API call should support nested stacks" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Steve Baker (steve-stevebaker) | 08:11 |
| shardy | stevebaker: ah, yeah, I've been planning to pull all your optimization related patches locally and test w/tripleo | 08:12 |
| shardy | or have you already done that? | 08:12 |
| stevebaker | I'm getting 17s vs 1.7s for an event-list with ~800 events | 08:12 |
| stevebaker | shardy: I always test with tripleo, but I'm not creating big overclouds | 08:13 |
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| shardy | stevebaker: ack - I'll re-test anyway, but I don't have access to huge resources either | 08:13 |
| stevebaker | shardy: thats a different series, but zaneb raised an objection https://review.openstack.org/#/c/317220/ | 08:13 |
| ramishra | stevebaker: will give it a try too. | 08:13 |
| shardy | I've been chatting to some folks that do tho, so we can potentially do some large scale tests at some point | 08:14 |
| stevebaker | I need to dig into how much we can get out of sqlalchemy for avoiding hitting the database, which is yak shaving into ripping out all our get session logic :o | 08:14 |
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| ricolin | stevebaker: Maybe you can move https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323614/ out of dependency | 08:15 |
| ricolin | it's a good fix | 08:15 |
| stevebaker | ricolin: yeah, that will at least end up at the front of the series, or on its own | 08:15 |
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| ricolin | stevebaker: nice | 08:16 |
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| shardy | stevebaker: Hmm, ok - I'll give it some thought and comment on the review | 08:17 |
| stevebaker | ta | 08:17 |
| ricolin | #topic external resource | 08:18 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "external resource (Meeting topic: heat)" | 08:18 | |
| ricolin | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/135492/ | 08:18 |
| ricolin | I think after team's review | 08:18 |
| ricolin | hope this series maybe can get merge | 08:19 |
| ricolin | fine move on! | 08:21 |
| ramishra | ricolin: I have a raised the concern on doing deps for external resource in the last meeting, though I'm ok with it going in with latest change. | 08:21 |
| ramishra | though I still don't know why we need to do that. | 08:21 |
| stevebaker | ricolin: but if we waited that change could have its first birthday! | 08:21 |
| ramishra | lol | 08:21 |
| ricolin | ramishra: We do can resloved all deps with external resources | 08:22 |
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| ramishra | not sure I understand, deps of an external resource has no meaning as we don't manage it's lifecycle | 08:23 |
| ricolin | but will require some hard code on all dep function through | 08:23 |
| ramishra | anyway, we should discuss it later. | 08:24 |
| ricolin | sure | 08:24 |
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| ricolin | I'm ok to prevent deps:) | 08:24 |
| ricolin | #topic convergence status | 08:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "convergence status (Meeting topic: heat)" | 08:24 | |
| shardy | I hit https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1592374 yesterday | 08:25 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1592374 in heat "deleting in_progress stack with nested stacks fails with convergence enabled" [High,Confirmed] | 08:25 |
| ramishra | We've not seen any major issues from other projects yet:) | 08:25 |
| ricolin | shardy: since we already turn convergence to default, is there any test from TripleO about that? | 08:25 |
| stevebaker | shardy: is that when deleting just stalls? I'm hitting that | 08:25 |
| shardy | it may or may not be specific to convergence, but turning it off has definitely improved (or possibly fixed) it | 08:25 |
| shardy | stevebaker: yup | 08:26 |
| shardy | stevebaker: specifically it happens every time for me if you delete a stack containing nested stacks that are IN_PROGRESS | 08:26 |
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| shardy | turning off convergence I hit a couple of suspect locking issues on delete, but they may be the other ones already reported that are specific to not-convergence | 08:26 |
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| stevebaker | I hit this yesterday but I see my fix has landed already https://launchpad.net/bugs/1592243 | 08:27 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1592243 in heat "Convergence: nested stacks are not populated with correct nested_depth" [High,Fix released] - Assigned to Steve Baker (steve-stevebaker) | 08:27 |
| shardy | stevebaker: I started a functional test, which appears to reproduce locally but it looks like theres a rack I need to fix before it'll reproduce in the gate: | 08:27 |
| shardy | https://review.openstack.org/329460 | 08:27 |
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| stevebaker | one problem I've seen is with *very* large resource groups (over 500) | 08:27 |
| ricolin | I think I have hit the same issue with using exponential backoff for retry https://review.openstack.org/#/c/328613/ | 08:27 |
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| stevebaker | create/update gets slower and slower as the sync point data grows, which can be mitigated with update policy, but that doesn't apply to delete | 08:28 |
| shardy | stevebaker: FWIW my deletes failed every time with a SoftwareDeploymentGroup of size 4 | 08:28 |
| stevebaker | I'm hoping for ricolin's exp backoff to land soon to see if it helps | 08:29 |
| shardy | ricolin: I'm planning an experimental job for TripleO that enables convergence | 08:29 |
| shardy | ricolin: my local testing indicates it's not ready yet tho | 08:29 |
| ricolin | stevebaker: I can further more reduce the syncpoint access | 08:29 |
| shardy | I suppose we can look at enabling the job anyway tho | 08:29 |
| stevebaker | shardy: yes, that would be good | 08:30 |
| ricolin | stevebaker: but it might took more time to excute | 08:30 |
| ricolin | shardy: cool | 08:30 |
| ramishra | shardy: as tripleo ci does not use heat master and fails back to last commit, if the ci fails, can we not enable convergence and check the periodic jobs for issues? | 08:30 |
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| shardy | ramishra: we've disabled convergence for all tripleo-ci jobs via puppet atm | 08:31 |
| ramishra | yeah, I'm asking can we not just enable it? | 08:31 |
| shardy | ramishra: if one wanted to check with it enabled now, you can simply post a WIP patch to instack-undercloud reverting my patch that turned it off | 08:31 |
| shardy | basically the experimental job will do that via a conditional override of the hieradata inside instack-undercloud that sets convergence_engine | 08:32 |
| shardy | ramishra: No, because I've tested locally and it doesn't work | 08:32 |
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| shardy | we've probably already promoted current-tripleo to beyond the commit which switched convergence on by default | 08:33 |
| shardy | so we can't rely on the periodic job to not promote | 08:33 |
| shardy | and even if we did, I suspect we'd be stuck with an increasingly old heat | 08:33 |
| ramishra | shardy: ok, I was hoping that it's till behind the convergence switch;) | 08:33 |
| ramishra | s/till/still | 08:34 |
| shardy | ramishra: we'll want to keep picking up bugfixes (and new features), so a long-term heat pin won't work for us | 08:34 |
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| shardy | I'll be happy to switch convergence on when we can prove the issues are fixed | 08:34 |
| shardy | but bear in mind, on the single-node undercloud we don't gain a lot of the benefits | 08:34 |
| ramishra | shardy: yeah, I understand | 08:35 |
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| ricolin | #topic open discussion | 08:36 |
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| shardy | I'd appreciate some eyes on these heatclient patches: | 08:36 |
| shardy | https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/python-heatclient+branch:master+topic:bug/1590421 | 08:36 |
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| shardy | basically the osc commands to show template/environment mangle the output due to the cliff formatters | 08:37 |
| shardy | I've proposed what I think is a more sane format | 08:37 |
| shardy | e.g something you can actually cut/paste from | 08:37 |
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| ramishra | I would like some reviews https://review.openstack.org/#/c/294023/. been there for a long time. Was about to abdndon it. Zane suggested to keep it in the queue for it's fate;) | 08:37 |
| stevebaker | shardy: I'll try them out | 08:38 |
| shardy | Similarly, if there are any cliff formatter experts, I could use some help with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/327205/ | 08:38 |
| ricolin | shardy: ramishra: try it out++ | 08:38 |
| shardy | I can't figure out how to format a list of yaml files | 08:38 |
| shardy | I want the name of the file, then a pretty printed yaml content | 08:38 |
| shardy | cliff won't let me do that atm | 08:38 |
| shardy | probably missing something, any help appreciated :) | 08:38 |
| stevebaker | shardy: you don't *have* to use a cliff formatter, you could just print it | 08:39 |
| shardy | stevebaker, ricolin: thanks! | 08:39 |
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| shardy | stevebaker: aha, I wasn't sure if that was the done thing ;) | 08:40 |
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| shardy | that would certainly be easier :) | 08:40 |
| stevebaker | we do it here and there | 08:40 |
| shardy | stevebaker: ack, maybe I'll do that then, thanks! | 08:40 |
| shardy | ramishra: is there any way to break that patch down in size? | 08:40 |
| stevebaker | shardy: also there is yaml markup to denote beginning and end of file in multi file streams - check out the official spec | 08:41 |
| shardy | that's probably not helping wrt attracting reviews IMO | 08:41 |
| shardy | stevebaker: cool, thanks will do | 08:41 |
| ramishra | shardy: it's not complex patch(though looks big), just moved the the some tests around;) | 08:42 |
| ramishra | shardy: If breaking down would help it gettting reviewed, I can spend time to do it:) | 08:42 |
| shardy | ramishra: ack, I'll try to check it out | 08:42 |
| ricolin | Need some help and review on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/280201/ | 08:43 |
| shardy | ramishra: I just think smaller patches tend to more easily attract reviewers, so if there's a logical way to split it, that may help | 08:43 |
| ramishra | shardy: thanks | 08:43 |
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| ricolin | anything else:)? | 08:45 |
| ricolin | going one | 08:45 |
| ricolin | going twice | 08:45 |
| ricolin | #endmeeting | 08:45 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 15 08:45:57 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:46 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2016/heat.2016-06-15-08.01.html | 08:46 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2016/heat.2016-06-15-08.01.txt | 08:46 |
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| ricolin | Thanks guys:) | 08:47 |
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| sigmavirus24 | Requirements meeting soonish? | 11:59 |
| coolsvap | sigmavirus24, yes couple of mins | 11:59 |
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| * tonyb goes to get a beverage for the meeting | 12:00 | |
| coreycb | :) | 12:00 |
| coreycb | #startmeeting requirements | 12:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 15 12:00:22 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is coreycb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'requirements' | 12:00 |
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| coreycb | hi everyone | 12:00 |
| tonyb | o/ | 12:00 |
| coreycb | #topic rollcall | 12:00 |
| coolsvap | o/ | 12:00 |
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| coreycb | ok I think we have prometheanfire, sigmavirus24 here as well | 12:02 |
| prometheanfire | ya, I had to reconnect | 12:03 |
| prometheanfire | freenode was fail | 12:03 |
| coreycb | no problem. just doing roll call. | 12:03 |
| coreycb | ok let's get started then | 12:03 |
| coreycb | #topic Any controversies in the Queue? | 12:03 |
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| sigmavirus24 | o/ | 12:03 |
| coreycb | any issues in the queue this week? | 12:03 |
| tonyb | coreycb: not that I know of | 12:04 |
| prometheanfire | no, queue has gone down too, which is nice | 12:04 |
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| sigmavirus24 | I would just ask that stable requirements cores let other stable cores know when a minimum versino bump is coming down the pike | 12:04 |
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| sigmavirus24 | It surprised some of us when a requirements sync bumped the min version of an oslo lib and we had to track down the originating review | 12:05 |
| sigmavirus24 | Warnings are nice, but that's it | 12:05 |
| tonyb | sigmavirus24: You mean with an email to os-dev or similar? | 12:05 |
| sigmavirus24 | tonyb: yeah, even just with the [stable] tag | 12:05 |
| coreycb | that seems like something that could be automated | 12:06 |
| sigmavirus24 | Also, as a side note, minimum version bumps are not cool on stable branches, so I'd appreciate it if the few reviews that do that don't get comment-less +1s from team members | 12:06 |
| sigmavirus24 | coreycb: right, I mean just as a head's up: "Read this to understand why your next sync is going to hvae a minimum version bump" | 12:06 |
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| tonyb | sigmavirus24: we can try to do that | 12:06 |
| coolsvap | sigmavirus24, good point, we can do that | 12:07 |
| sigmavirus24 | tonyb: let me know if I can help with that | 12:07 |
| coolsvap | tonyb, would you take that as an action item? | 12:07 |
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| tonyb | coolsvap: Sure but it'll be a long time before we do a minimum bump like that | 12:08 |
| coreycb | tonyb, I'll add an action for you then | 12:09 |
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| coreycb | thanks tonyb | 12:09 |
| coolsvap | tonyb, ack! we can revisit it later as well | 12:09 |
| coreycb | #action: tonyb to ensure stable requirements cores let other stable cores know when a min version bump is coming down the pike (e.g email to os-dev or similar, with the [stable] tag) | 12:09 |
| coolsvap | just something which we can also discuss with wider audience when they are available :) | 12:10 |
| coolsvap | or they can get from meeting logs | 12:10 |
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| sigmavirus24 | coolsvap: to be clear, min version bumps should be a very rare occasion. In this case it was security related and absolutely necessary | 12:10 |
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| tonyb | Yeah we try very hard to not do that thing | 12:11 |
| prometheanfire | ya, I've missed that I was reviewing for an older branch once and +1 one, but I try to watch for that | 12:11 |
| prometheanfire | wish gertty called that out louder | 12:11 |
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| * sigmavirus24 too | 12:12 | |
| sigmavirus24 | That's a side note | 12:12 |
| coolsvap | sigmavirus24, ack! | 12:12 |
| coreycb | ok, thanks sigmavirus24 | 12:12 |
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| coreycb | do we have any other points to discuss regarding the review queue this week? | 12:13 |
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| prometheanfire | the tqdm review? | 12:14 |
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| sigmavirus24 | harlowja_: should answer that prometheanfire | 12:14 |
| prometheanfire | do we have a cutoff date for that? | 12:15 |
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| coreycb | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/325527/ | 12:15 |
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| coolsvap | prometheanfire, we at kolla team didnt had this up for discussion | 12:15 |
| coolsvap | i will bring this up in meeting | 12:15 |
| prometheanfire | coolsvap: thanks | 12:15 |
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| coreycb | coolsvap, is the discussion regarding wether or not kolla actually needs tqdm? | 12:16 |
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| coolsvap | coreycb, the patch is up for review but it does not look stable atm with tqdm | 12:16 |
| coolsvap | coreycb, i can say yes | 12:17 |
| coolsvap | the discussion is regarding whether kolla needs tqdm | 12:17 |
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| coolsvap | i will provide update on the review | 12:17 |
| coreycb | coolsvap, ok. I'll give you an action if you don't mind to follow up on that. | 12:17 |
| coolsvap | coreycb, ack | 12:17 |
| coolsvap | i will mostly do it today itself | 12:18 |
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| coreycb | #action coolsvap to follow up on tqdm with kolla team and ensure it's needed or not | 12:18 |
| sigmavirus24 | coolsvap: can you share the related kolla review? | 12:18 |
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| * coolsvap is searching wait | 12:19 | |
| coolsvap | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/325529/ | 12:19 |
| coolsvap | this is the kolla review | 12:19 |
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| sigmavirus24 | thanks coolsvap | 12:22 |
| prometheanfire | added a note to the review requirements side | 12:22 |
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| tonyb | My gut feel is that kolla doesn't need to to be co-installable with OpenSTack services ... it's a deployment tool | 12:22 |
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| coolsvap | sigmavirus24, np | 12:22 |
| tonyb | so we probably can't justify adding it esp. if it isn't active in kolla | 12:22 |
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| coolsvap | tonyb, kolla is following requirements and it is adheres with requirements policies and updates | 12:23 |
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| coolsvap | tonyb, but in this particular review i think we can take a decision in couple of days | 12:24 |
| tonyb | coolsvap: huh there you go ... | 12:24 |
| coolsvap | its in my queue for couple of weeks | 12:24 |
| coolsvap | but i couldn't attend last weeks meeting | 12:24 |
| sigmavirus24 | I tend to agree with tonyb | 12:24 |
| sigmavirus24 | But I'd like to let coolsvap resolve this on the kolla side first | 12:25 |
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| coolsvap | thanks sigmavirus24 tonyb i will update the review as soon as I get the update mostly today after the meeting | 12:26 |
| tonyb | coolsvap: Thanks. | 12:26 |
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| coreycb | ok I think we're ready to move on | 12:27 |
| coreycb | last chance for requirements controversies | 12:27 |
| sigmavirus24 | let's :) | 12:28 |
| coreycb | #topic Tasks from Etherpad | 12:28 |
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| coreycb | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/requirements-tasks | 12:28 |
| coreycb | alright, what's new with requirements tasks? | 12:29 |
| coolsvap | no update from me | 12:30 |
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| sigmavirus24 | Nothing from me, but I haven't been to a meeting in a few weeks | 12:31 |
| coreycb | coolsvap, are you done with all of your reviews for dropping requirements? | 12:31 |
| prometheanfire | 3.13, should be completed by the uc sanity checker tox job I think | 12:31 |
| coolsvap | coreycb, mostly i didn't had time to check it this week | 12:31 |
| coolsvap | but more than 90% its done | 12:31 |
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| coreycb | prometheanfire, awesome, I'll add a note to the etherpad | 12:31 |
| coreycb | coolsvap, cool | 12:32 |
| coolsvap | i will complete it before next meeting | 12:32 |
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| coreycb | coolsvap, sounds good | 12:32 |
| coreycb | anything else? | 12:33 |
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| coreycb | ok let's move on | 12:35 |
| coreycb | coolsvap, should we talk about requirements-cruft today? | 12:35 |
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| coreycb | ok. I think we're done, unless someone has anything? | 12:37 |
| coreycb | thanks for all the discussion today everyone. | 12:37 |
| coreycb | #topic Volunteer for next 2 meetings | 12:37 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Volunteer for next 2 meetings (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 12:37 | |
| coreycb | I'm not sure we'll get 2 weeks worth ,but can someone volunteer to host next weeks meeting? | 12:38 |
| * tonyb o/ | 12:38 | |
| coreycb | tonyb, you win! | 12:38 |
| sigmavirus24 | I can help too if tonyb is away | 12:38 |
| coreycb | sigmavirus24, awesome thanks | 12:39 |
| tonyb | okay so me in +7 sigmavirus24 in +14 :) | 12:39 |
| sigmavirus24 | sure | 12:39 |
| coreycb | excellent | 12:39 |
| coreycb | #topic Open Discussion | 12:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: requirements)" | 12:39 | |
| coreycb | does anyone have anything else? | 12:39 |
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| coolsvap | coreycb, sorry was in different discussion, but no update related to requirement cruft | 12:39 |
| coreycb | coolsvap, no problem | 12:40 |
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| coolsvap | i have updated the meeting agenda for kolla for discussion related to tqdm | 12:42 |
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| coreycb | coolsvap, sounds good thanks | 12:42 |
| coreycb | ok all, thanks for attending! | 12:42 |
| coreycb | #endmeeting | 12:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 12:42 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 15 12:42:33 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 12:42 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2016/requirements.2016-06-15-12.00.html | 12:42 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2016/requirements.2016-06-15-12.00.txt | 12:42 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2016/requirements.2016-06-15-12.00.log.html | 12:42 |
| coolsvap | thanks coreycb | 12:42 |
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| coreycb | coolsvap, np | 12:42 |
| tonyb | Thanks coolsvap | 12:42 |
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| tonyb | thanks coreycb | 12:42 |
| tonyb | stupid tab completion :( | 12:43 |
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| coreycb | tonyb, heh | 12:43 |
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| sigmavirus24 | Thanks coreycb for running | 12:44 |
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| coolsvap | tonyb, :) | 12:44 |
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| joehuang | hi | 13:02 |
| joehuang | #startmeeting tricircle | 13:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 15 13:02:48 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is joehuang. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 13:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tricircle' | 13:02 |
| joehuang | #topic rollcall | 13:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 13:03 | |
| joehuang | #info joehuang | 13:03 |
| longxiongqiu | hi | 13:03 |
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| longxiongqiu | #info longxiongqiu | 13:03 |
| Yipei_ | #info Yipei_ | 13:03 |
| ronghui_1 | #info ronghui | 13:03 |
| zhiyuan | #info zhiyuan | 13:03 |
| Yipei_ | hi, all | 13:03 |
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| joehuang | hi | 13:03 |
| ronghui_1 | hi | 13:03 |
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| joehuang | #topic tempest | 13:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "tempest (Meeting topic: tricircle)" | 13:04 | |
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| joehuang | a patch has been submitted to project-config | 13:04 |
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| joehuang | so the integration test job could be configured in the CI pipeline | 13:05 |
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| joehuang | you will see a new job for each patch submitted except py27 pep8 | 13:05 |
| zhiyuan | what test our tempest test covers currently? | 13:05 |
| joehuang | after the job could be executed, we can add the test cases from tempest case by case | 13:06 |
| zhiyuan | so now it's only a dummy job? | 13:06 |
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| joehuang | currently two type of cases test_volume_get* and test_volume_list* | 13:06 |
| zhiyuan | oh i see | 13:06 |
| joehuang | but the scripts need to be verified after the job can run | 13:06 |
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| joehuang | I checked locally, still some bugs in the post_test_hook.sh | 13:07 |
| joehuang | after the scripts work | 13:07 |
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| joehuang | for xiongqiu's patch like cinder volume type, can use cinder tempest test cases to test the code work or not | 13:08 |
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| longxiongqiu | do i need to write the tempest code for my patch? | 13:09 |
| joehuang | and will list all tempest test cases for nova/cinder/neutron in the scripts but commented, after a new feature added, the corresponding test cases will be un-comment and be executed to test the patch submitted | 13:10 |
| joehuang | no need, just un-comment the corresponding test cases | 13:10 |
| joehuang | then it should be executed in the dvsm_funcational test job | 13:11 |
| longxiongqiu | ok | 13:11 |
| joehuang | #info will list all tempest test cases for nova/cinder/neutron in the scripts but commented, after a new feature added, the corresponding test cases will be un-comment and be executed to test the patch submitted | 13:11 |
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| joehuang | currently it took long time to test your patch after you submitted | 13:12 |
| joehuang | and can not make sure your code work or not | 13:12 |
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| joehuang | any question? | 13:13 |
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| zhiyuan | no | 13:13 |
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| longxiongqiu | but i tested it in my real env, it can work. | 13:14 |
| longxiongqiu | the az_fix patch py27 test failed, have anybody know the reason? | 13:14 |
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| Yipei_ | i have the same problem | 13:15 |
| joehuang | understand, xiongqiu | 13:15 |
| Yipei_ | unit test in py27 fails | 13:16 |
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| longxiongqiu | the az_fix patch test failed in network test part, it is strange, i just changed some cinder volume creation code,not effect network. | 13:16 |
| zhiyuan | you can check the log to see why | 13:17 |
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| joehuang | the log is : Exception: Neutron core_plugin not configured! | 13:17 |
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| joehuang | may be neutron changed something recently | 13:17 |
| longxiongqiu | i have checked, but i don't understand it | 13:17 |
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| joehuang | #link http://logs.openstack.org/24/306224/14/check/gate-tricircle-python27/b0e91a7/console.html | 13:18 |
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| zhiyuan | well, i think our neutron unit test needs to be modified again | 13:19 |
| joehuang | ok, this issue could be checked tomorrow | 13:20 |
| joehuang | #topic cross pod L2 networking and dynamic pod binding | 13:21 |
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| joehuang | hello, after several rounds review | 13:21 |
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| joehuang | these two specifications are close to be merged | 13:21 |
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| joehuang | Yipei, what's feed back from Shinobu | 13:22 |
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| Yipei_ | he gives some comments on the description, and i have already revised and update it | 13:22 |
| joehuang | seems some more concrete comments and easy to address | 13:23 |
| joehuang | no -2 now | 13:23 |
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| joehuang | ok, please keep update, if any issue, please talk to the reviewer and update in time, let's close the spec review soon | 13:24 |
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| Yipei_ | ok, got it | 13:24 |
| joehuang | and Ronghui, how about the cross pod L2 networking spec | 13:24 |
| ronghui_1 | i update the spec | 13:25 |
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| ronghui_1 | and there is also -2 | 13:25 |
| joehuang | ok, please communicate with the reviewer | 13:26 |
| ronghui_1 | ok | 13:26 |
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| joehuang | and have you checked each comment from Shinobu, especially the comment lead to -2? | 13:27 |
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| ronghui_1 | i checked | 13:27 |
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| joehuang | please talk to Shinobu to check to see if some improvement is still missing | 13:28 |
| ronghui_1 | i will mail to Shinobu and for the comment latest | 13:29 |
| ronghui_1 | ok | 13:29 |
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| joehuang | ok | 13:29 |
| joehuang | we need to have the spec being approved before the end of this month, the sooner, the better | 13:30 |
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| joehuang | any comment on these two specs? | 13:31 |
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| ronghui_1 | no | 13:32 |
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| joehuang | ok, how about the development of these two features | 13:32 |
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| zhiyuan | if xiongqiu and ronghui are not familiar with the network stuff, i can take the job to work on cross pod l2 networking | 13:33 |
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| ronghui_1 | that good for us to work and learn | 13:34 |
| joehuang | I saw xiongqiu has submmited several patches, which are also very important to tricircle, good job | 13:34 |
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| longxiongqiu | i am not familiar with network, i can follow zhiyuan when he submit patch, and try to do some work | 13:35 |
| Yipei_ | still reading source code of nova scheduler, i still need more time to study it. | 13:35 |
| zhiyuan | nova scheduler will interact with nova conductor, you can skip this part | 13:35 |
| zhiyuan | you just see how the filter scheduler is loaded and used | 13:36 |
| joehuang | Xiongqiu's way is a good way to dig into tricircle, the more you write code, the more you know how to work on it | 13:36 |
| Yipei_ | host_manager and filter_scheduler? | 13:36 |
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| zhiyuan | yes, yipei | 13:38 |
| Yipei_ | ok, i am studying it | 13:38 |
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| joehuang | ok, keep going | 13:40 |
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| joehuang | #topic policy | 13:40 |
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| joehuang | will submit a patch soon using policy for RBAC API check | 13:41 |
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| longxiongqiu | good | 13:41 |
| joehuang | for API which will not directly forward to bottom OpenStack, policy based RBAC check is needed | 13:41 |
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| joehuang | if the api request will be forwarded to bottom openstack, the bottom openstack can check that | 13:42 |
| joehuang | but this should be done case by case | 13:42 |
| longxiongqiu | like tricircle/api ? | 13:43 |
| joehuang | tricircle API should be checked based on policy | 13:43 |
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| joehuang | currently it's hard coded only admin role is allowed | 13:44 |
| longxiongqiu | yes | 13:44 |
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| longxiongqiu | @joehuang, where can i learn RBAC API check code? | 13:45 |
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| longxiongqiu | like nova or cinder policy | 13:45 |
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| zhiyuan | policy is checked in the api controller | 13:46 |
| joehuang | it's easy for there is one oslo.policy lib | 13:46 |
| joehuang | don't worry about it | 13:46 |
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| joehuang | xiongqiu, you can check our todo list | 13:46 |
| joehuang | and a lot of feature parity is needed in tricircle like vm/volume operations | 13:47 |
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| longxiongqiu | ok | 13:47 |
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| joehuang | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/oslo.policy/ | 13:48 |
| joehuang | ok, any other topics? | 13:48 |
| longxiongqiu | no | 13:48 |
| zhiyuan | no | 13:48 |
| ronghui_1 | no | 13:48 |
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| joehuang | ok, good night | 13:48 |
| joehuang | #endmeeting | 13:49 |
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| ronghui_1 | bye | 13:49 |
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| longxiongqiu | bye | 13:49 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 15 13:49:04 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-06-15-13.02.html | 13:49 |
| zhiyuan | good night | 13:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-06-15-13.02.txt | 13:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-06-15-13.02.log.html | 13:49 |
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| SotK | anyone here for the storyboard meeting? | 15:00 |
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| Zara | hi there | 15:00 |
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| SotK | #startmeeting storyboard | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 15 15:00:56 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is SotK. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 15:01 |
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| anteaya | ah here you are | 15:01 |
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| * ttx lurks but will have a call in a few | 15:01 | |
| SotK | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StoryBoard#Agenda_for_next_meeting Agenda | 15:02 |
| SotK | I don't know of any announcements or urgent things this week | 15:02 |
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| Zara | nope | 15:02 |
| anteaya | the bug sprint | 15:02 |
| SotK | we announced it last week, but can do again | 15:03 |
| anteaya | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/VirtualSprints#StoryBoard_Bug_Sprint | 15:03 |
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| anteaya | thanks | 15:03 |
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| SotK | #info REMINDER: StoryBoard's Bug Sprint is next week, 22nd and 23rd June | 15:03 |
| SotK | #topic In Progress Work | 15:04 |
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| Zara | I didn't get around to updating agenda here | 15:04 |
| SotK | I've finished up the timeline rework patch | 15:04 |
| anteaya | yay! | 15:04 |
| SotK | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/327231/ | 15:04 |
| SotK | Zara made a suggestion to improve it, which I'll implement after this meeting | 15:04 |
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| Zara | :D | 15:05 |
| Zara | just to be pesky. | 15:05 |
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| Zara | as for me, I'm still in review mode and not looking at the gerrit integration right now. I believe anteaya is looking at that. | 15:06 |
| anteaya | I am so | 15:06 |
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| anteaya | so for gerrit integration with mountains of help from zaro answering my silly quesitons, I have a local gerrit instance with the storyboard plugin configured | 15:06 |
| Zara | \o/ | 15:06 |
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| anteaya | it can find the storyboard-dev api and can successfully GET things | 15:07 |
| SotK | :D | 15:07 |
| anteaya | however it can't PUT or POST | 15:07 |
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| anteaya | I just discovered that as of right now the storyboard api requires you to be authenticated to get authenticated | 15:07 |
| anteaya | which may be why the storyboard plugin can't yet complete actions that it needs to be authenticated to do | 15:08 |
| SotK | (or redirects you to its configured openid provider's login page) | 15:08 |
| anteaya | so I will do some gathering of thoughts on the best way to address how the storyboard plugin can become authenticated via the api | 15:08 |
| anteaya | SotK: sorry, what to do you mean? | 15:08 |
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| anteaya | storyboard redirects an api call that needs authentication to the openid provider's login page? | 15:09 |
| anteaya | I'm uncertain of the value of that action in this workflow, but will follow up with others and see what to do next | 15:10 |
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| anteaya | I am hoping to have the storyboard plugin on the review-dev server configured to find the storyboard-dev server for next week's bug event | 15:10 |
| anteaya | that's all I had | 15:10 |
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| anteaya | at this point even without having auth via the api figured out I have confirmed taht the plugin can find the right storyboard instance which hopefully is enough to get it on review-dev | 15:11 |
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| SotK | so the ways to get an access token are (1) create a new access token for your user, which requires you to already have a valid token, or (2) do a GET for `/v1/openid/authorize` with some parameters, which redirects to a provider's login page (for OpenStack that is currently launchpad) for you to provide credentials (the provider redirects back to storyboard and tells it to give you a token on succe | 15:12 |
| SotK | ss) | 15:12 |
| anteaya | ah ha! | 15:12 |
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| anteaya | thank you, I will explore option (2) | 15:12 |
| SotK | if you can string together the requests required for launchpad's login process, you may be able to persuade the API to give you a token | 15:13 |
| SotK | but idk | 15:13 |
| anteaya | well it is worth a shot, I will work in that direction to see what happens | 15:14 |
| anteaya | thank you | 15:14 |
| anteaya | I have no more on this item | 15:15 |
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| SotK | any other in-progress work? | 15:15 |
| Zara | If I'm doing any, I've forgotten it | 15:15 |
| anteaya | he he | 15:15 |
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| SotK | then we're at open discussion already | 15:17 |
| SotK | #topic Open Discussion | 15:17 |
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| Zara | goodness | 15:17 |
| anteaya | wow | 15:17 |
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| Zara | I have nothing to discuss. | 15:17 |
| Zara | well, thanks, sotk, for tidying up s.o.o today | 15:17 |
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| Zara | I have been watching the emails pile up :) | 15:17 |
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| anteaya | I'm keen to start working on the api auth thing | 15:18 |
| anteaya | an thanks SotK for tidying | 15:18 |
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| SotK | yw | 15:18 |
| SotK | I tagged some things as low-hanging-fruit | 15:18 |
| Zara | I'm probably missing context, is there a reason it's impossible to login manually once and then get tokens after that? | 15:18 |
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| SotK | they are of variable low-ness in their hanging | 15:18 |
| SotK | but all fairly low | 15:18 |
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| Zara | oh, and pedro's suggested approach to auth for gerrity things was to give storyboard the ability to have a user whose token never expired | 15:20 |
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| Zara | and use that for automated things | 15:20 |
| anteaya | Zara: it is a plugin | 15:20 |
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| anteaya | that would be reasonable, then the token could be stored somewhere on configuration | 15:20 |
| anteaya | either in puppet heira or in gerrit config | 15:21 |
| anteaya | fungi: ^^ | 15:21 |
| SotK | that would seem sensible to me | 15:21 |
| anteaya | discussing gerrit storyboard plugin auth issue | 15:21 |
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| SotK | you could login manually once to get a token, then use the API to request a token with an extreme length | 15:22 |
| anteaya | would a token that could only be expired manually be safe to use? | 15:22 |
| fungi | so to restate, making sure i've got the proposal correct, we would have a storyboard account for gerrit with a non-expiring token | 15:22 |
| fungi | that is to say, an account in storyboard for gerrit to use | 15:22 |
| SotK | either non-expiring on very long lived | 15:23 |
| Zara | is this storyboard or just storyboard-dev at this point? | 15:23 |
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| fungi | and the reason for that is the gerrit plugin to connect to storyboard doesn't know how to reauthenticate api calls? | 15:23 |
| anteaya | at this point storyboad-dev, but if we are making a design decision it would affect storyboard eventually | 15:24 |
| anteaya | fungi: so far, that is my conclusion, however we could check with zaro to confirm that | 15:24 |
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| fungi | as in it "stops working" after a short while? | 15:25 |
| anteaya | well reauthenticiate or authenticate in the first place with openid | 15:25 |
| anteaya | no, it can't perform any PUT or POST actions, only GET actions | 15:25 |
| fungi | oh, the api authentication relies on openid somehow? | 15:25 |
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| anteaya | and so I am concluding that auth is an issue preventing PUT or POST | 15:25 |
| anteaya | yes it does | 15:25 |
| fungi | i will admit i haven't played with storyboard's api yet | 15:25 |
| anteaya | fair enough, I'm learning myself | 15:26 |
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| anteaya | but SotK believes that I can call out to openid via the storyboard api, but it doesn't sound like he has experience doing so himself | 15:26 |
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| anteaya | and is uncertain of the results | 15:27 |
| fungi | i suppose implementing openid authentication in the plugin is potentially less work than building digest or shared secret auth support into sb? | 15:27 |
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| anteaya | so the discussion moved to long lived token so I pinged you | 15:27 |
| SotK | I did a curl request to get the redirect URL once, but didn't try to chase any further down the rabbit hole | 15:27 |
| anteaya | let me spend some time investigating and will return next week with more facts | 15:27 |
| anteaya | then we can revisit the discussion? | 15:27 |
| fungi | or _was_ less work i guess (sounds like it's implemented now) | 15:27 |
| anteaya | is that fair? | 15:27 |
| anteaya | I don't know yet what is more or less work | 15:28 |
| fungi | sounds reasonable | 15:28 |
| anteaya | great thank you | 15:28 |
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| anteaya | thanks for popping in with no notice fungi | 15:28 |
| fungi | but just to confirm, sb currently only supports openid auth | 15:28 |
| SotK | yes | 15:29 |
| fungi | so any reauthentication the plugin might need to do will have to be new openid callouts | 15:29 |
| fungi | makes sense then, thanks | 15:29 |
| anteaya | fungi: the plugin can get a new token if the old token hasnt' expired yet | 15:29 |
| SotK | fungi: it could create itself a new access token whilst it still had a valid one | 15:29 |
| anteaya | but it has to call out to openid to start the process or if the current token has expired | 15:29 |
| persia | Yes. | 15:30 |
| fungi | and what's our token expiration set for currently? | 15:30 |
| fungi | (sorry if i'm asking things explained earlier) | 15:30 |
| anteaya | in the gui it is one hour, I'm not sure if there is a default for api token creation | 15:30 |
| SotK | there is | 15:30 |
| anteaya | fungi: not to worry, thanks for being involved | 15:30 |
| SotK | its in the puppet manifest, one sec | 15:30 |
| anteaya | SotK: but we can configure the api token default expiration to be whatever we want? | 15:31 |
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| anteaya | storyboard doesn't specify a default? | 15:31 |
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| SotK | the default in the puppet manifest is 1 hour (s.o.o uses the default) | 15:31 |
| SotK | storyboard doesn't specify a default, is defined in the configuration file | 15:32 |
| anteaya | but we could change that via the puppet manifest it sounds like | 15:32 |
| anteaya | oh awesome, thank you | 15:32 |
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| fungi | does the plugin currently support openid, or are you having to authenticate with your browser and then stick something into the plugin config? | 15:33 |
| anteaya | I don't know | 15:33 |
| fungi | oh, so you haven't tested it out successfully yet i guess | 15:33 |
| anteaya | in the plugin config I entered my ubuntuone username (email) and password | 15:33 |
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| fungi | and that worked (at least for an hour)? | 15:33 |
| anteaya | I cant' tell if that was useful or not since that isn't required for GET actions | 15:33 |
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| anteaya | which is all I can confirm it can do at the moment | 15:34 |
| fungi | i see. thanks | 15:34 |
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| anteaya | then I moved to figuring out the api myself for PUT and POST | 15:34 |
| SotK | hmm, what happens with PUTs and POSTs then? | 15:34 |
| anteaya | I don't know | 15:34 |
| fungi | if it turns out that the plugin does work for post operations as well with that configured, then it's presumably already doing an openid dance itself | 15:34 |
| anteaya | I haven't yet figured out how to do a PUT myself yet | 15:34 |
| anteaya | possibly? | 15:35 |
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| fungi | in which case it may simply be sufficient to convince zaro or someone to add reauthentication support into that plugin | 15:35 |
| anteaya | if I can figure out the correct curl commands myself then I can feel armed with the knowledge to look at log files or request them from the storyboard-dev server | 15:35 |
| fungi | sounds good | 15:36 |
| anteaya | yes, that might be the route forward | 15:36 |
| anteaya | thanks | 15:36 |
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| SotK | anteaya: is there a way you can see the response the server gives the plugin? | 15:36 |
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| anteaya | I don't know | 15:36 |
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| anteaya | I don't know what to look for yet so I don't know where to look | 15:36 |
| anteaya | I haven't looked to find where to look for that yet | 15:36 |
| anteaya | on my local gerrit | 15:36 |
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| fungi | if there's no debugging for that (perhaps in the gerrit log files?) then you might have to set up your test deployment to be http-only and use tcpdump to capture the packets for that exchange | 15:37 |
| anteaya | figuring out the api for myself seemed like my first step | 15:37 |
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| anteaya | oh okay I might follow up with you on how to do that after I get an actual api PUT to work for me | 15:37 |
| fungi | happy to help, sure | 15:38 |
| anteaya | that sounds exciting | 15:38 |
| anteaya | thank you | 15:38 |
| fungi | packet sniffers are always exciting | 15:38 |
| anteaya | woooo | 15:38 |
| fungi | (for some definitions of always and exciting at least) | 15:38 |
| anteaya | ha ha ha | 15:38 |
| anteaya | I'm out of things to say here | 15:39 |
| Zara | I'd imagine POSTs will be easier than PUTs to test auth things | 15:39 |
| anteaya | oh okay fair enough | 15:39 |
| anteaya | shows you how much I know about api things | 15:39 |
| * SotK wonders if there has been any progress with identifying blocking issues for migration | 15:39 | |
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| anteaya | well since I consider gerrit storyboard integration very important | 15:40 |
| anteaya | I haven't gone shopping for many opinions until this is in place | 15:41 |
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| anteaya | since once it is in place folks might decide that they are happy and their nits are minor instead of critical | 15:41 |
| anteaya | like when dinner tastes so much better when the waiter keeps your drinks filled | 15:41 |
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| anteaya | I do think having expanded docs on the api will be helpful | 15:43 |
| anteaya | like telling folks where in the gui to find their tokens, that isn't discoverable | 15:43 |
| anteaya | and an example of how to use their token in a curl command | 15:43 |
| anteaya | and how to auth with openid to get a token | 15:43 |
| anteaya | I think these points would be helpful to have in teh api docs | 15:44 |
| anteaya | but that is my personal opinion | 15:44 |
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| anteaya | I also think the utc timestamps thing is important for us to be able to set for infra instances | 15:45 |
| anteaya | Jim was very clear that he wanted that | 15:45 |
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| anteaya | also dhellmann's point about how he wants to use the api | 15:46 |
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| anteaya | if his usecase is covered I think that should be added to the api docs | 15:47 |
| SotK | seems fair, I imagine gerrit integration will make things much better | 15:47 |
| anteaya | now I can't yet figure out how to edit the api docs | 15:47 |
| anteaya | thanks, that is my hope too | 15:47 |
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| anteaya | so I hope that the api docs can in fact contain the information we would like it to contain | 15:48 |
| anteaya | I haven't figured out yet how they are generated | 15:48 |
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| anteaya | so like I said I hope to have the storybroard gerrit integration in place on test servers by next week's bug event and hope to get some initial feedback on it from sprinit participants | 15:49 |
| anteaya | then address the obvious things then take it wider | 15:49 |
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| anteaya | but if we can work on utc timestamps and expanding the api docs in the meantime I think that will be time well spent | 15:51 |
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| * SotK expects so too, I was hoping to look at the timestamp stuff at some point in my pile of timeline reworking | 15:51 | |
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| SotK | any other points to discuss? | 15:54 |
| anteaya | awesome thank you | 15:54 |
| anteaya | I'm happy | 15:54 |
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| Zara | I don't have anything right now | 15:56 |
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| smcginnis | SotK: end meeting? :) | 16:00 |
| SotK | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 15 16:00:09 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2016/storyboard.2016-06-15-15.00.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2016/storyboard.2016-06-15-15.00.txt | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2016/storyboard.2016-06-15-15.00.log.html | 16:00 |
| andrei_perepiolk | no | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | SotK: Thaks, sorry. :] | 16:00 |
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| SotK | sorry :) | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | *thanks | 16:00 |
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| smcginnis | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 15 16:00:42 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | ping dulek duncant eharney geguileo winston-d e0ne jungleboyj jgriffith thingee smcginnis hemna xyang tbarron scottda erlon rhedlind jbernard _alastor_ vincent_hou kmartin patrickeast sheel dongwenjuan JaniceLee cFouts Thelo vivekd adrianofr mtanino yuriy_n17 karlamrhein diablo_rojo jay.xu jgregor baumann rajinir wilson-l reduxio | 16:00 |
| dulek | o/ | 16:00 |
| yuriy_n17 | hi | 16:00 |
| jgregor | Hello! | 16:00 |
| eharney | hi | 16:00 |
| ntpttr | hi | 16:00 |
| aimeeu | 0/ | 16:00 |
| adrianofr | hey | 16:00 |
| jseiler__ | hi | 16:01 |
| jgriffith | o/ | 16:01 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | Hey everyone | 16:01 |
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| erlon | hey | 16:01 |
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| DuncanT | Hi | 16:01 |
| scottda | hi | 16:01 |
| mtanino | hi | 16:01 |
| xyang1 | hi | 16:01 |
| andrei_perepiolk | Hello | 16:01 |
| patrickeast | hi | 16:01 |
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| smcginnis | #topic Announcements | 16:01 |
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| fernnest_ | hi | 16:01 |
| thingee | o/ | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | Just the usual stuff. | 16:01 |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-spec-review-tracking Review tracking | 16:01 |
| jungleboyj | o/ | 16:01 |
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| _alastor_ | o/ | 16:01 |
| diablo_rojo | Hello :) | 16:02 |
| bswartz1 | .o/ | 16:02 |
| andrei_perepiolk | About contributing new driver | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | Still a couple new drivers there I would like to get two cores signed up to make sure they are on track. | 16:02 |
| andrei_perepiolk | yes | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | andrei_perepiolk: Did you have a question about that? | 16:03 |
| andrei_perepiolk | Open-E JovianDSS --- new one | 16:03 |
| erlon | smcginnis: I added the HNAS driver to the botton of the list, is a refactor | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | andrei_perepiolk: Right, do you have a link for the review you can add to that list? | 16:03 |
| smcginnis | erlon: Great, thanks | 16:03 |
| andrei_perepiolk | smcginnis: I think I need some guidelines | 16:03 |
| andrei_perepiolk | not yet | 16:03 |
| andrei_perepiolk | I am in process of setuping CI | 16:03 |
| erlon | scottda: you have done some reviews in that, can you sign in? | 16:04 |
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| e0ne | andrei_perepiolk: can we discuss it after the meeting in the #openstack-cinder channel? | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | andrei_perepiolk: OK, as soon as you have a patch submitted, add it there and we can track it. | 16:04 |
| andrei_perepiolk | yes | 16:04 |
| scottda | erlon: The HNAS stuff? I'll review but I am not core | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-cinder-midcycle Midcycle planning | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | Please add midcycle topics to the etherpad. | 16:04 |
| erlon | scottda: yes, humm no? | 16:04 |
| erlon | scottda: I was pretty sure you where :) | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | And sign up there if you plan on coming so we can plan accordingly. | 16:05 |
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| e0ne | erlon: are you talking about that patch with more than 2k LoC? | 16:05 |
| andrei_perepiolk | e0ne: yes, lets discuss it there | 16:05 |
| erlon | e0ne: yes | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | scottda: I think we were good last week, but anything to add about the midcycle? | 16:05 |
| e0ne | erlon: it will be very hard to review it :( | 16:05 |
| * dulek will be counting on the Google Hangout! | 16:05 | |
| scottda | smcginnis: No, nothing new. We are good to go | 16:06 |
| erlon | e0ne: it caounts almost as a new driver, so I put in the new driver list | 16:06 |
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| e0ne | erlon: it makes sense | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | scottda: Great, looking forward to seeing folks in Ft Collins. | 16:06 |
| adrianofr | e0ne: a big part of it is to increase the test coverage. I think you'll like it :) | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | #topic blueprints to discuss | 16:06 |
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| e0ne | adrianofr: I do:) | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | So I have a few bps marked as Discussion. | 16:06 |
| erlon | e0ne: there was a lot of things we needed to change/add into the driver. We tried to keep the changes in this patch minimal | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | A few of them have been requested to submit a spec for mroe detail. | 16:07 |
| andrei_perepiolk | smcginnis: will you share your opinions with me after meeting in openstack-cinder chat? | 16:07 |
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| e0ne | smcginnis: IMO, we can just drop them | 16:07 |
| erlon | e0ne: and sent other changes in separate patches | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: The ones I listed here? | 16:07 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: yes | 16:07 |
| e0ne | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/create-volume-from-image-file | 16:07 |
| erlon | e0ne: thanks! | 16:07 |
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| smcginnis | andrei_perepiolk: yep | 16:07 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: I don't understand why we should re-implement glance features | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: I definitely agree on that one. | 16:08 |
| eharney | i don't like the idea of this blueprint at all | 16:08 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: and have more bugs that are not about cinder, but about uploading stuff | 16:08 |
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| smcginnis | OK good. I wanted to bring up here just to make sure I wasn't missing a compelling reason for this. | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | I will reject that one. | 16:08 |
| eharney | and file format vulnerabilities which have been an issue in every service handling these things | 16:08 |
| erlon | eharney: +1 | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | The second one has a little more interest for me. | 16:08 |
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| e0ne | eharney: +1 | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/revert-volume-to-snapshot | 16:09 |
| DuncanT | Putting large data transfers into cinder is, if we do it, going to need a significant re-architect... probably a separate http server for data transfers | 16:09 |
| e0ne | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/cinder/+spec/revert-volume-to-snapshot | 16:09 |
| e0ne | :) | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | But not sure if it would be something broadly supported. | 16:09 |
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| smcginnis | It could be useful. Then again, it could be dangerous and add complexity. | 16:09 |
| erlon | smcginnis: I was discussing with him about that in the ML | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | So interested in thoughts on that too. | 16:09 |
| eharney | i'm fairly sure this isn't the first proposal for this feature, right? | 16:09 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: again, it's only IMHO: this feature/flow is good for heat or mistral, not for cinder | 16:09 |
| erlon | smcginnis: there are good reasons to have that, | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | erlon: Oh that's right! I forgot about that. I need to go back and read that thread. | 16:10 |
| DuncanT | Personally I'm against it, I think we've got a set of semantic sand this doesn't add much value | 16:10 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: and if some *cloud* software are depended on volume UUID it's a bad design | 16:10 |
| xyang | smcginnis: regarding create volume from image file, how is this bp different form copy image to volume which we already have? | 16:10 |
| erlon | DuncanT: I think you were in the discusstion as well | 16:10 |
| e0ne | DuncanT: +1 | 16:10 |
| DuncanT | I've comments on the spec about making it universal via implementing it with existing primatives if we do go for it | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | xyang: Bypassing glance and sending an image directly to a volume. | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | eharney: correct, it's not | 16:11 |
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| smcginnis | jgriffith, eharney: So rejected already in the past? | 16:11 |
| patrickeast | so.. for the revert-volume-to-snapshot i thought the decision in the past has always been that you can, by creating a new volume from the snapshot | 16:11 |
| eharney | i think rollback makes a lot of sense from a usability point of view, but i'd have to spend some time on the spec figuring out how practical it is | 16:11 |
| e0ne | jgriffith: you don't want to add more APIs, do you? :) | 16:11 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith has definitely expressed sane opinions on this in the past | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | Honestly given some of the other things we're adding this would seem like the more useful and less problematic of all of them | 16:11 |
| eharney | smcginnis: i assumed it was more that it's just hard and nobody drove it all the way through, but not sure | 16:11 |
| jgriffith | e0ne: that ship has sailed :) | 16:11 |
| bswartz | I know of users who do create-volume from image file (without glance) using existing cinder -- you don't need a new feature for it | 16:11 |
| bswartz | the workflow is: create volume, attach volume, dd, detach volume | 16:12 |
| jgriffith | we've pretty much given up on the "be cloudy" thing... so we should either go all in or not :) | 16:12 |
| patrickeast | jgriffith: haha, fair point | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | bswartz: Right, certainly possible. | 16:12 |
| eharney | i can't tell who is talking about which blueprint here | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: :) | 16:12 |
| e0ne | bswartz: looks like a mistral workflow | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | eharney: Seems to be both, but I'm trying to talk about being able to revert to a snapshot. | 16:13 |
| _alastor_ | what was the "be cloudy" thing that was given up? | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | eharney: sorry, I thought we were just talking about adding restore from snap | 16:13 |
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| smcginnis | _alastor_: That's a bigger philosophical discussion. | 16:13 |
| jgriffith | _alastor_: things like "I don't like the name of the resource, so create a new one" | 16:13 |
| _alastor_ | ok, outside meeting then | 16:13 |
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| jgriffith | smcginnis: true.. nice save! | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | ;) | 16:14 |
| e0ne | jgriffith, _alastor_: the same for UUIDs | 16:14 |
| Swanson | Hello | 16:14 |
| patrickeast | how does the like 're-build' thing for instances work? thats similar to this revert idea, right? | 16:14 |
| jgriffith | e0ne: you're trying to get me into trouble here :) | 16:14 |
| patrickeast | does the instance get the same id? | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | So are folks saying they are against the idea of rolling back to snapshot? | 16:15 |
| DuncanT | re-build is a mess... | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | so... what about this. You allow reset to snapshot, but you don't allow it when the volume is attached | 16:15 |
| e0ne | jgriffith: no, I'm just saying that we don't need to be depended on UUIDs | 16:15 |
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| DuncanT | smcginnis: I'm mildly against | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | Revert would be the same ID. Nothing changes but the data on disk, I would think. | 16:15 |
| jgriffith | I frankly don't think that eve if we do this we should ever do the whole thing of handling attached volumes | 16:15 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: Attached revert for sure we shouldn't allow | 16:15 |
| erlon | smcginnis: yes | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | Definietly no attached. | 16:15 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: That's crazy town | 16:16 |
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| smcginnis | That's just asking for data corruption. | 16:16 |
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| jgriffith | I would be curious how you're going to deal with the various corner cases of CG's etc | 16:16 |
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| eharney | wouldn't rollback perform better, and use less space, than having to clone etc? | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: True, it would have to revert the entire group. | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | eharney: That's the thing I like about the idea. | 16:16 |
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| eharney | smcginnis: the spec lists basically nothing under "Performance Impacts", but that's one of the interesting parts... | 16:17 |
| * DuncanT is also strongly against it unless it can be implemented generically on top of existing driver semantics (but I'm pretty sure it can be) | 16:17 | |
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| erlon | smcginnis: for some BE like mine, revert to a CG is much better from a performace than having to duplicate all volumes in the CG | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | DuncanT: That's the sticker. | 16:17 |
| smcginnis | erlon: Same for a lot of us I think. | 16:17 |
| _alastor_ | If the driver supports rollback natively, will they be able to implement their own rollback rather than relying on cinder's generic implementation? | 16:17 |
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| smcginnis | But then there are some where it defintiely wouldn't work. | 16:17 |
| patrickeast | DuncanT: i don't think we can, it would change some assumptions for the driver methods... surely someone will break :( | 16:18 |
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| jgriffith | I'm not sure why clones would be used in this context as opposed to rollback/merge | 16:18 |
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| bswartz | we are doing revert-to-snapshot in Manila currently and one of the surprising sticking points is that the vast majority of backends which can implement it efficiently can only revert to the most recent snapshot -- reverting to older snapshots requires deleting the more recent ones -- so if you pursue this in cinder you might want to consider that issue | 16:18 |
| erlon | _alastor_: they should | 16:18 |
| Swanson | smcginnis, that isn't true for us is it? | 16:18 |
| eharney | bswartz: good thing to know | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | bswartz: Oh, interesting. | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | _alastor_: yup | 16:18 |
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| smcginnis | Swanson: We can go to any snapshot. | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: huh... wouldn't have thought of that | 16:18 |
| DuncanT | patrickeast: I think it doable, I'm a strong -2 if it can't. Having this only work on some backends would be a disaster | 16:18 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: that's a deal breaker IMO | 16:18 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: +1 on the deal breaker | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | I don't understand why a person wouldn't just create a new volume from the snapshot. | 16:19 |
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| smcginnis | Agreed | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | jungleboyj: :) | 16:19 |
| patrickeast | DuncanT: i guess the really generic one would be blow away the volume and give it a new fake id name like we do with migrations | 16:19 |
| jungleboyj | Isn't that how snapshots are supposed to be used? | 16:19 |
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| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Performance. | 16:19 |
| bswartz | jgriffith: it has to do with the dependencies of the snapshots on disk in most implementations | 16:19 |
| DuncanT | jungleboyj: Performance, quota | 16:19 |
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| jgriffith | jungleboyj: you're getting "cloudy" on me :) | 16:19 |
| eharney | jungleboyj: well for one, then you end up with two volumes, when you wanted one. | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | We can revert to a snapshot instantly. | 16:19 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: performance? | 16:19 |
| patrickeast | smcginnis: depends on the backend... some of us can clone instantly | 16:19 |
| patrickeast | smcginnis: some will be slow either way | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | DuncanT: Ok. | 16:20 |
| eharney | jungleboyj: "supposed to" as in "that's all Cinder lets you do"... | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: ahh.. those that might have to dd or something | 16:20 |
| jungleboyj | eharney: :-) | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | Well... that's life IMO :) | 16:20 |
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| jgriffith | You cna't have it all | 16:20 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: Revert is apparently much faster than create-from-snap on some backends, so the spec writers assure me | 16:20 |
| smcginnis | patrickeast: Clone may be instant, but then reattach, rescan etc can take some time. | 16:20 |
| bswartz | jungleboyj: the theory is that cutting out the middle step is faster in many case -- it's why cinder has a create volume from volume API which is technically duplicating existing functionality | 16:20 |
| smcginnis | But if we can't do attached (which we shouldn't) that does limit the advantage. | 16:20 |
| jgriffith | It is... that's a true statement | 16:20 |
| patrickeast | smcginnis: true, but we said it would have to be detached :( | 16:20 |
| patrickeast | smcginnis: so we lose that part | 16:20 |
| smcginnis | yeah | 16:20 |
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| jungleboyj | Ok, thanks all for the explanation. | 16:21 |
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| smcginnis | OK, great points. I'll not approve that one based on this feedback. | 16:21 |
| eharney | if we don't put in the limitation that bswartz mentioned, doesn't that mean we'd end up with non-linear trees of snapshots? | 16:21 |
| jgriffith | Now I remember why we've always said no on this :) | 16:21 |
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| bswartz | reverting to a snapshot can be dramatically more efficient than creating a new volume from a snapshot, so if the user wants to discard the current volume and go back to the snapshot, it could be worthwhile | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: but to your point, that also means snaps may be deleted | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: lvm is one of those cases | 16:22 |
| DuncanT | eharney: If you think of snaps like that, then yes | 16:22 |
| bswartz | jgriffith: we simply throw an error if the snapshot isn't the most recent one | 16:22 |
| jgriffith | the merge will delete the snap you merged to | 16:23 |
| bswartz | thus forcing you to delete them yourself if that's what you want | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | Eew, bad juju | 16:23 |
| patrickeast | part of the problem here is that we kind of start to get into the device specific details of what a snapshot is... where as we don't really touch that right now | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: no, you're missing my point | 16:23 |
| DuncanT | Sounds like this is getting more and more ugly and special case | 16:23 |
| jgriffith | bswartz: some backends (lvm) auto-delete when you merge back to a snap | 16:23 |
| bswartz | jgriffith: yeah the manager would need to perform the check and veto the operation before it got to the backend | 16:24 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: Since it is an offline (unattach) operation, you can always immediately re-create the snap | 16:24 |
| bswartz | or the API rather | 16:24 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: omg | 16:24 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT: just because you *can* do something doesn't mean you should | 16:24 |
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| smcginnis | :) | 16:24 |
| smcginnis | That's what grown ups always told me. | 16:25 |
| * jgriffith is not a fan of the device swapping magic behind the curtain | 16:25 | |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: I think all backends are going to have to work round semantic weirdnesses like this if we implement this feature | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: LOL | 16:25 |
| jungleboyj | So, I see how this is useful but I think I am in the camp with DuncanT that we need to be able to have a general implementation that will work for everyone. | 16:25 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: I agree. Too many caveats here. | 16:25 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: yeah.. I'm checked out on this one yet again and saying "don't do it" :) | 16:25 |
| bswartz | the utility of a special revert-to-snapshot API is certainly limited | 16:26 |
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| DuncanT | jgriffith: Fair. | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | OK, that's all for that. There are a few other bps but I'll try to get them through in future meetings. | 16:26 |
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| smcginnis | Thanks for the feedback on these. | 16:26 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: that was easy :) | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | reduxio_: You're all set now, right? | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | jgriffith: ;) | 16:26 |
| e0ne | jgriffith: :) | 16:26 |
| reduxio_ | smcginnis: yes I am thanks | 16:26 |
| _alastor_ | I'm in favor provided we get tempest tests to verify that the driver behaves correctly | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | reduxio_: Great! | 16:26 |
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| smcginnis | #topic Open Discussion | 16:27 |
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| scottda | We've been meeting to talk about Cinder testing in the cinder channel | 16:27 |
| scottda | At 1500 UTC Wed (all are welcome) | 16:27 |
| dulek | smcginnis: scottda had another item I think. | 16:27 |
| e0ne | scottda: one comment from my side | 16:27 |
| scottda | It was brought up that maybe we should book time on a meeting channel | 16:27 |
| scottda | e0ne: ? | 16:28 |
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| bswartz | +1 for booking time in an official meeting channel | 16:28 |
| e0ne | scottda: if we'll do it in some -meeting- channel, we can use features like 'action items' 'topics', etc | 16:28 |
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| e0ne | scottda: it's not a big deal right now, but it would be useful | 16:28 |
| scottda | e0ne: I think we can do that in cinder. I was able to "startmeeting" and get the bot | 16:28 |
| dulek | e0ne: Turns out meetbot works also in #openstack-cinder. | 16:28 |
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| e0ne | scottda, dulek: cool! | 16:29 |
| dulek | e0ne: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/test/2016/test.2016-06-15-15.43.log.html | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | My only concern is if it would be a distraction in channel. | 16:29 |
| e0ne | I've missed meeting today:( | 16:29 |
| scottda | The counter-arguement was that it made the efforts more visible by being in cinder channel | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | I don't think so, and I like the visibilty there, but I'm flexible | 16:29 |
| scottda | smcginnis: Yes, last week there was some cross-conversation | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | scottda: Yeah | 16:29 |
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| xyang | I like it in the cinder channel so I won’t forget about it | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | Usually pretty quiet around then in channel. Kinda. | 16:30 |
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| smcginnis | But I'm absolutely fine getting into one of the #opestack-meeting* channels. | 16:30 |
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| scottda | Should we keep it in Cinder for now, and wait and see? Always easiest to do nothing. | 16:30 |
| DuncanT | We can stay on the channel now and move it if it actually causes a problem? | 16:31 |
| eharney | scottda: yes, since nobody has any strong argument | 16:31 |
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| scottda | BTW, with either choice I'll book the meeting time with infra. | 16:31 |
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| scottda | OK, good enough for me. Thanks. | 16:31 |
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| e0ne | scottda, smcginnis: at lease, we have to add this info to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings#Next_meeting page | 16:31 |
| xyang | scottda: if we move to another channel, please ping people in cinder channel when it starts | 16:31 |
| scottda | xyang: No move yet, but I'll ping if we do change. | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | xyang: Good idea | 16:32 |
| xyang | sure | 16:32 |
| e0ne | s/lease/least | 16:32 |
| scottda | e0ne: Yes, I'll do that as well. | 16:32 |
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| e0ne | scottda: thanks | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | scottda: I'm just glad the discussion is happening and it's getting attention. Thanks for driving this. | 16:32 |
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| scottda | smcginnis: np. I love tests. | 16:33 |
| smcginnis | :) | 16:33 |
| e0ne | scottda: noted! | 16:33 |
| scottda | just like eharney | 16:33 |
| smcginnis | You and eharney | 16:33 |
| eharney | :) | 16:33 |
| smcginnis | :D | 16:33 |
| xyang | I have a topic if we are done with tests | 16:33 |
| hemna | since we are talking about testing, I think we should probably add grenade tests to os-brick patches | 16:33 |
| smcginnis | hemna: That is a good idea, given recent events. | 16:33 |
| eharney | hemna: good idea | 16:33 |
| scottda | hemna: I guess so | 16:33 |
| e0ne | hemna: +1. I was thinking about it last night too | 16:34 |
| diablo_rojo | hemna: +1 | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | xyang: Take it away | 16:34 |
| hemna | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/329586/ | 16:34 |
| xyang | np | 16:34 |
| hemna | FYI, reviews on that would be helpful. gus has helped, and I'll make some changes | 16:34 |
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| hemna | xyang, go for it. | 16:34 |
| e0ne | hemna. smcginnis: maybe even we would like to get grenade for cinderclient too | 16:34 |
| diablo_rojo | hemna: I think the patch looks good. Was glad to see Angus's comments | 16:34 |
| xyang | so I am working on generic volume groups. There are a few patches up for review | 16:34 |
| xyang | I have one issue now | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: Not sure how that works | 16:35 |
| xyang | that is how to use the new group APIs for CG stuff | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: We should discuss later though. | 16:35 |
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| xyang | one problem is that we have a group type now which was not there in CG | 16:35 |
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| e0ne | smcginnis: sure, it's good item for the next testing-related meeting | 16:35 |
| xyang | group types: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/320165/ | 16:35 |
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| xyang | groups: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/322459/ | 16:36 |
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| xyang | group snapshots: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/328052/ | 16:36 |
| xyang | so should we create a default group type for existing CGs | 16:36 |
| DuncanT | xyang: Make a magic group type? | 16:36 |
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| xyang | DuncanT: right:) | 16:36 |
| eharney | is group snapshot covered in a spec? | 16:36 |
| DuncanT | xyang: It's ugly but I can't think of anything between | 16:37 |
| DuncanT | xyang: Is there any retype functionality to fix it up later? | 16:37 |
| bswartz | is deprecating/dropping the old APIs a possibility? | 16:37 |
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| xyang | eharney: that is another thing. I have spec for generic volume types but didn’t realize we also need a group snapshot table | 16:37 |
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| xyang | so now I can add those in the exisitng spec or create a new spec for group snapshots | 16:37 |
| DuncanT | bswartz: Officially? No | 16:37 |
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| jgriffith | sigh | 16:38 |
| smcginnis | I thought we were just going to internally redirect the existing CG apis to use the new group mechanism, right? | 16:38 |
| xyang | DuncanT: retype for group type? | 16:38 |
| eharney | well the problem is, when i look at the patch for group snapshots, my main thought is "this seems like it shouldn't exist" | 16:38 |
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| xyang | DuncanT: we could have a default group type for now and provide a way to change type later. maybe as a cinder manage command instead of a retype? | 16:39 |
| eharney | smcginnis: i thought so | 16:39 |
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| xyang | smcginnis: yes, but without a default group type, I can’t do that | 16:39 |
| DuncanT | xyang: Sure, I'm not bothered over the form, it just seems like something you might want to do | 16:39 |
| smcginnis | ok | 16:39 |
| xyang | smcginnis: the existing CGs and CG table does not have group type, so I can’t really use the new one for the old one | 16:39 |
| eharney | but how did that end up with an API where a user creates a group snapshot? | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | xyang: I would like to simplify this a bit if we can maybe | 16:39 |
| jgriffith | xyang: I know you're not going to like this... but honestly; what about going back to just the basics here | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | xyang: just offering the ability to create a group of volumes... period | 16:40 |
| xyang | jgriffith: so that is there | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | xyang: I don't understand all of this business of grouped types, snapshots etc | 16:40 |
| eharney | i don't think that's an API feature that was supposed to be a feature on its own | 16:40 |
| jgriffith | xyang: I know it's there.. my problem is all the baggage and extra stuff that came along with it | 16:41 |
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| xyang | jgriffith: so you mean take one step at a time? | 16:41 |
| jungleboyj | jgriffith: Starting simple definitely would be best. | 16:41 |
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| dulek | jgriffith: How do you want to differentiate between replication and consistency group? | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | xyang: partially, but I also mean the rest of that stuff isn't necessary | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | xyang: to eharney 's point.... | 16:41 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: the point of the groups types is that we're looking at having some APIs that can be calle don some groups but not others, and that needs to be discoverable /somehow/ | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | xyang: if you call a snapshot on a volume in a group, then it just does the right thing and snaps all of them | 16:41 |
| eharney | it's not that it's not necessary or that it's a step at a time thing... it's that that's a feature that we probably specifically don't want | 16:41 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: We have the same issue with volume types now | 16:41 |
| jgriffith | keep things simple | 16:41 |
| hemna | jgriffith, +1 | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: I dont' understand why that's necessary? | 16:42 |
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| hemna | I completely agree. I think we've been adding way too many complicated APIs recently and it's turning into a mess IMHO | 16:42 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: But if it can't do a consistent snapshot, and I as a user can't tell that, there's a problem | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: so you put somethign in extra-specs that says "this works with groups:xyz" | 16:42 |
| jgriffith | done | 16:42 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: But a tenant can't see extraspecs, so can't discover programatically what will or won't work | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: As a user pick a volume-type that supports CG for yor group | 16:43 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT: sigh | 16:43 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: For things like smaug, that means problems and manual per-cloud configs and such | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: I'm saying this is a bad direction | 16:43 |
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| DuncanT | jgriffith: programatic discovery is a bad direction? | 16:43 |
| jgriffith | look... here's the thing. Some clouds will support CG's (for example) some won't | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | that's fine | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | BUT | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | in order to do that safely, IMO it should be abstracted via types and extra-specs | 16:44 |
| ameade | not to be that guys again, but manila is working on share groups right now and doing what jgriffith is saying | 16:44 |
| DuncanT | I'm fine with that, BUT | 16:44 |
| jgriffith | none of that should be in a user facing API | 16:44 |
| ameade | guy* | 16:44 |
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| xyang | ameade: manila will have group_snapshots too. that is in the spec | 16:45 |
| DuncanT | I disagree strongly that a user shouldn't be able to call some API and find out if this cloud supports CGs | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: well we're never going to agree here | 16:45 |
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| bswartz | DuncanT: +1 | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: that's a value add a cloud provider may or may not want to give | 16:45 |
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| ameade | i think they should be able to discover capabilities | 16:45 |
| ameade | but that capability doesnt have to be a separate api | 16:45 |
| jgriffith | ameade: DuncanT they can... it's called documentation!!!! | 16:45 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: Documentation is a terrible solution | 16:46 |
| e0ne | :) | 16:46 |
| ameade | yeah that's not great | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | I just want to remind something... we're not building cloud software for Mirantis, HP, Rax or other | 16:46 |
| dulek | DuncanT: +1 | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | We're building a general platform | 16:46 |
| DuncanT | Can we push this out to a user group or something? They're the people who're hurting | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | alright.. I'm out | 16:46 |
| dulek | jgriffith: Whole openstack it's driving into interoperability. That means also discoverability. | 16:46 |
| jgriffith | I can't push this rope any more | 16:46 |
| Swanson | rabbit goes around the hole five or six times.. | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | dulek: ummm interoperability != discoverability | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | dulek: in fact... interop is WHY I'm saying what I'm saying | 16:47 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: It has to be as soon as you move beyond lowest common denominator | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | dulek: what you all are proposing actually is the antithesis of interop | 16:47 |
| dulek | jgriffith: To do interoperability between different public clouds you need to be able to discover what any of them offer. | 16:47 |
| jgriffith | dulek: no, quite the opposite | 16:48 |
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| jgriffith | dulek: interop means shit just works | 16:48 |
| eharney | not having an API to discover functionality only gets us interoperability if we can ensure that all drivers support the same features... which we know we can't | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | dulek: they're interoperable | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | eharney: thank you!!! | 16:48 |
| hemna | if the API is solid, there is no reason to discover, it just works. | 16:48 |
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| eharney | it will never be "solid" in that way | 16:48 |
| ameade | why not when you create a group snapshot, whether it is consistent or not depends on the extra spec. And if you dont care if it is consistent then you dont specify it | 16:48 |
| smcginnis | I think discoverability is a good thing. We need a base level of expected functionality that anyone can assume on any cloud. But extra functionality can be available. Whether that is known via documentation or code, I guess that's up to the cloud. | 16:48 |
| dulek | hemna: Point is - it isn't. | 16:48 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: dulek what you're suggesting is actually harming interop more than anything else | 16:49 |
| smcginnis | If we can do discoverability without over complicating things, then I think it's a good thing. | 16:49 |
| eharney | not doing discoverability is more complicated than doing it | 16:49 |
| DuncanT | We have a tenant facing API, right now, with no way to discover if it actually works or not. We should fix that before adding any more at all IMO | 16:49 |
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| ameade | for me, i want a consistent api that works between clouds but if one cloud has better capabilities, i want that one | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | ameade: that's almost my point | 16:49 |
| jgriffith | ameade: I'm saying get rid of the CG API's altogether | 16:49 |
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| ameade | yeah i'm totally arguing in the middle of you guys | 16:49 |
| ameade | agreed | 16:49 |
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| hemna | jgriffith, +1 | 16:49 |
| xyang | group_snapshot will be implemented for LVM, every one can support it | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | ameade: if a provider wants to offer that up, then they have a volume-type that says "group:cg-blahblahwhateverthehelltheyneed" | 16:50 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: I could get behind removing CGs as a solution | 16:50 |
| eharney | xyang: so i still have major issues there as i was saying earlier... | 16:50 |
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| jgriffith | xyang: I'm saying that shouldn't exist either | 16:50 |
| dulek | Are we able to move that discussion to ML to get broader attention and be able to share more detailed thoughts? | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | xyang: I'm saying that it should just *work* | 16:50 |
| jgriffith | xyang: if I say "snapshot volume xyz" and when cinder looks (or the backend) at that type info and sees it's part of a group (cg or whatever) it does a cg snapshot | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | done | 16:51 |
| smcginnis | dulek: It would be good to get operator feedback on this. | 16:51 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: But what if you call it on something that can't do a CG snap? | 16:51 |
| jgriffith | we shouldn't be putting in a billion API calls with all kinds of corner cases, special behaviors etc | 16:51 |
| dulek | smcginnis: I was also thinking about API-WG. | 16:51 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT: then it's a snapshot | 16:51 |
| dulek | jgriffith: I can agree on that! :) | 16:52 |
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| DuncanT | jgriffith: That's broken. If I can't tell in code whether they're consistent, it's broken | 16:52 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: and you're not doing CG's then so this whole argument is irrelevant | 16:52 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT: consistency is defined by the snapshots | 16:52 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: If we remove CGs from cinder, then sure, it becomes easy and we've nothing to argue about | 16:52 |
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| jgriffith | so if you can't do consistent snaps then you're not offering cgs anyway so you already lied to your user | 16:53 |
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| xyang | jgriffith: I think what you suggested could work too. driver can still decide how to create the snapshot if the volume is in a generic group | 16:54 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: consistency is a feature of a group of snapshots... If I'm writing a DB service that can be deployed on any cloud (e.g. a heat template) but I need CGs, silent corruption is not a good answer at all | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: on the other hand, if you have a type that says "CG" you damn sure better have it set up to work | 16:54 |
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| dulek | jgriffith: The point is the user should be able to check that universally. | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: then that cloud shouldn't offer you a type that says "CG's" | 16:54 |
| jgriffith | ok, I can't argue this any more | 16:55 |
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| DuncanT | jgriffith: And expecting somebody deploying a heat template to manually check for CGs over estimates your user | 16:55 |
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| smcginnis | jgriffith: OK, I think I missed your earlier point. Definitely if type == CG it absolutely has to have consistency. | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: dulek your proposals don't solve the problem IMO | 16:55 |
| jgriffith | smcginnis: yes | 16:55 |
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| jgriffith | smcginnis: so back in Austin however long ago we talked about "well-known/defined" types | 16:56 |
| smcginnis | If it's type != CG then just individual snapshots. | 16:56 |
| DuncanT | Says "type == CG" *where*? | 16:56 |
| dulek | jgriffith: To be honest I haven't had a proposal, just seen this issue in yours. | 16:56 |
| eharney | handling it all with types sounds like we fix problems for users but just push similar problems to admins instead | 16:56 |
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| smcginnis | Isn't that one of the types of groups a user will be able to create? | 16:56 |
| DuncanT | The name of the type? | 16:56 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: yes, the name | 16:56 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT: and details in the description | 16:56 |
| dulek | jgriffith: Can you automate such discovery? | 16:57 |
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| jgriffith | dulek: just as well as you can capabilities | 16:57 |
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| ameade | in manila we are having those capabilities/extraspecs public | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | dulek: assuming you get providers to agree on what those defs should be | 16:57 |
| dulek | jgriffith: Aren't caps having well-defined names? | 16:57 |
| jgriffith | dulek: not currently... that work was never completed | 16:57 |
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| dulek | jgriffith: Oh. Anyway that was a step in good direction, wasn't it? | 16:58 |
| smcginnis | ameade: Public extra specs? | 16:58 |
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| jgriffith | dulek: yes, for sure | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | ameade: please no... | 16:58 |
| jgriffith | volume-backend-name among others should never be exported | 16:58 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: the names are explicitly documented as freeform. | 16:58 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: And requiring e.g. a heat template user to read and understand the type description is not understanding the level of many of these users | 16:58 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: If we can add a simple API that does "Does this volume type X support CGs? yes/no" then I'm happy | 16:58 |
| DuncanT | with the rest of your proposal | 16:58 |
| ameade | smcginnis: yeah, but i remember we can never agree on semantics | 16:58 |
| dulek | jgriffith: So if we could achieve something like that with volume groups - it would be it. | 16:58 |
| DuncanT | Without that API I think we've a problem | 16:59 |
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| * smcginnis shudders | 16:59 | |
| ameade | smcginnis: at least not explicitly | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | DuncanT: alright, just crate more API's | 16:59 |
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| jgriffith | create | 16:59 |
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| smcginnis | Sorry, we gotta go. We should continue this though. | 16:59 |
| jgriffith | build something nobody can use, maintain or understand | 16:59 |
| smcginnis | Thanks everyone. | 16:59 |
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| bswartz | remember to bring asbestos underwear to the next meeting | 16:59 |
| smcginnis | #endmeeting | 16:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:59 | |
| smcginnis | :) | 16:59 |
| DuncanT | jgriffith: Or add a new attribute to the type that gives this info... I don't care about the exact form | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 15 16:59:58 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | "you risk" building something | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-06-15-16.00.html | 17:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-06-15-16.00.txt | 17:00 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-06-15-16.00.log.html | 17:00 |
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| jgriffith | DuncanT: that's fine | 17:00 |
| jgriffith | oops | 17:00 |
| jlvillal | #startmeeting ironic_qa | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 15 17:00:25 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jlvillal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
| jroll | sup | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic_qa' | 17:00 |
| sambetts | o/ | 17:00 |
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| vdrok | o/ | 17:00 |
| jlvillal | Hello all | 17:00 |
| JayF | o/ | 17:00 |
| rpioso | o/ | 17:00 |
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| jlvillal | As always the agenda is here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic-QA | 17:00 |
| thiagop | o/ | 17:00 |
| jlvillal | #topic Announcements | 17:00 |
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| jlvillal | #info Grenade is a non-voting job for Ironic | 17:01 |
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| devananda | o/ | 17:01 |
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| krtaylor | o/ | 17:01 |
| jlvillal | #info Grenade does not support 'partial' jobs anymore. If a project wants to test rolling upgrades they should use multinode grenade. | 17:01 |
| thiagop | yeah! Congratz, guys! | 17:01 |
| [2]cdearborn | o/ | 17:01 |
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| vdrok | agent partition images job is in place but it's not doing what is expected until this patch is merged - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/329625/ | 17:02 |
| sambetts | jlvillal: well thats going to be a fun one to solve for Ironic | 17:02 |
| jlvillal | #info No meeting next week, due to virtual mid-cycle | 17:02 |
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| jlvillal | Any other announcements? | 17:03 |
| devananda | jlvillal: oh, interesting! | 17:03 |
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| sambetts | I believe the network patches got a green from grenade | 17:03 |
| vdrok | also please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/330087/ I suspect that our gate is broken right now, at least locally it fails | 17:03 |
| jlvillal | Okay, moving on | 17:04 |
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| jlvillal | #topic Grenade | 17:04 |
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| jroll | vdrok: fun, thanks | 17:04 |
| jlvillal | So the good news is that Grenade is up and running. Seems to be working for the most part reliably. I have noticed a few timeout failures. | 17:04 |
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| jlvillal | #info jlvillal to research how to get job statistics and get data on pass/fail ratio of Grenade jobs | 17:05 |
| JayF | pass/fail can be done with openstack health | 17:05 |
| JayF | I can link you to it gimme 1s | 17:05 |
| thiagop | somebody sent a link to JayF earlier this week with a tool that could help that | 17:05 |
| jlvillal | JayF: Awesome :) | 17:05 |
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| jlvillal | So I learned yesterday that 'partial' has been removed from Grenade. | 17:06 |
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| thiagop | I think this is it: | 17:06 |
| thiagop | #link http://status.openstack.org/openstack-health/#/?searchProject=ironic | 17:06 |
| jlvillal | We need to use multinode testing instead. | 17:06 |
| JayF | That doesn't appear to have our grenade jobs in it. | 17:06 |
| jroll | openstack-health only collects gate queue data, not check. grenade isn't in the gate queue | 17:06 |
| JayF | I wonder if check queue or -nv is excluded | 17:06 |
| jroll | :) | 17:06 |
| JayF | that's a major whomp | 17:06 |
| thiagop | Can we path it? :) | 17:07 |
| JayF | but the data is still in graphite.openstack.org, just gotta find the right metrics and graph 'em | 17:07 |
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| thiagop | patch* | 17:07 |
| jroll | no, that's intentional | 17:07 |
| krtaylor | #link ci-watch.tintri.com/project?project=ironic&time=7+days | 17:07 |
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| krtaylor | also this ^^^ | 17:07 |
| jroll | as check queue can fail due to bad code etc | 17:07 |
| thiagop | :( | 17:07 |
| jlvillal | Unbeknownst to me, it appears that vsaienko has been working on something along the lines of multinode Grenade. But I need to talk to him. Maybe vdrok knows more. | 17:07 |
| jlvillal | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/296432/ | 17:07 |
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| jlvillal | If so, that would be great! And vsaienko is a few steps ahead of us on this work :) | 17:08 |
| jlvillal | Thanks for all the links. | 17:08 |
| vdrok | jlvillal: not that I'm aware of | 17:09 |
| jlvillal | #info Grenade status page: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-newton-grenade-whiteboard | 17:09 |
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| jlvillal | vdrok: I saw this posted this morning: | 17:09 |
| jlvillal | <vsaienko> Ironic'ers just a notice, who don't know multitenancy patches passed grenade and multitenancy gate tests https://review.openstack.org/#/c/296432/. I'm kindly asking to review them as it is highest priority for community :). Thanks in advance! | 17:09 |
| jlvillal | And now that I read that, I understand. | 17:10 |
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| vdrok | correct, grenade seems to be pretty stable :) | 17:10 |
| jlvillal | Not multi-node :( But multi-tenant. | 17:10 |
| jlvillal | Duh | 17:10 |
| jlvillal | And darn :( | 17:10 |
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| sambetts | multi-node is a whole other can of worms | 17:10 |
| jroll | sambetts: imagine the networking setup :) | 17:10 |
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| vdrok | yeah, we'll need to significantly change our devstack plugin | 17:11 |
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| jlvillal | Maybe this should be a mid-cycle topic. | 17:11 |
| * rloo thinks rolling upgrades will not make it in newton | 17:11 | |
| JayF | I mean, I wonder if someone will be able to get deep enough into the tech to even make it a useful topic at midcycle | 17:11 |
| * JayF == rloo | 17:11 | |
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| rloo | rloo is definitely not equivalent to JayF | 17:12 |
| * jlvillal adding a proposed topic for mid-cycle | 17:12 | |
| sambetts | ++ | 17:12 |
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| JayF | rloo: just an indication of agreement with your last statement | 17:13 |
| JayF | rloo: and ircism | 17:13 |
| JayF | *an ircism | 17:13 |
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| rloo | JayF: OH :D | 17:13 |
| jlvillal | #info Ironic Grenade multi-node testing added to proposed topics for Ironic mid-cycle | 17:13 |
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| jlvillal | So that is all I got for Grenade. | 17:14 |
| jlvillal | Anything else? | 17:14 |
| jroll | jlvillal: can you send an email by end of week with pass/fail stats? | 17:14 |
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| jlvillal | jroll: Will do | 17:15 |
| jroll | (and preferably stats on why it failed, because that horizon bug or something else) | 17:15 |
| jroll | I want to turn it voting soon | 17:15 |
| jroll | thanks | 17:15 |
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| jlvillal | #topic 3rd Party CI, brought to you by krtaylor | 17:15 |
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| krtaylor | hehheh | 17:15 |
| thiagop | lol | 17:15 |
| jlvillal | krtaylor: Let me know when you are done :) | 17:15 |
| krtaylor | will do | 17:15 |
| krtaylor | so I updated the driver test system table to have the latest stackalytics info | 17:16 |
| krtaylor | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ironic/Drivers#3rd_Party_CI_required_implementation_status | 17:16 |
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| krtaylor | the question is, do we want to add drivers that havent already? | 17:17 |
| krtaylor | drivers in stackalytics show up in driver marketplace | 17:17 |
| krtaylor | so, any that are marked "No" in that column don't appear there | 17:17 |
| jroll | haven't already what? | 17:18 |
| thiagop | I think it is good to have it there, but not community's responsibility | 17:18 |
| jroll | oh | 17:18 |
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| krtaylor | haven't already added themselves | 17:18 |
| jroll | if we feel they're going to be removed this cycle, I don't think it's worth it | 17:18 |
| thiagop | maybe do a rolling call to remember the maintainers is a good ideia | 17:18 |
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| jroll | we do need to update the info in stackalytics for existing things, too | 17:19 |
| krtaylor | well, it boils down to a larger question - what do we do with systems that are testing but have not met the infra requirements | 17:19 |
| thiagop | (remember them that they should put information there, I mean) | 17:19 |
| rloo | i am probably wrong, but i thought that jroll (and then krtaylor offered) was going to add the drivers to stackalytics | 17:19 |
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| krtaylor | I can, but is it really our job? | 17:19 |
| krtaylor | isn't that a vendor thing? | 17:19 |
| thiagop | krtaylor: ++ | 17:19 |
| jroll | rloo: indeed | 17:19 |
| jroll | well | 17:19 |
| JayF | I mean honestly, upstream pays the price in questions in channel, on ml, etc if the info isn't updated | 17:20 |
| jroll | with my PTL hat on, I would like ironic's info in the marketplace to be accurate | 17:20 |
| krtaylor | I think all the community drivers are represented | 17:20 |
| JayF | so regardless whose responsibility it is, it's better for the info to be accurate | 17:20 |
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| jlvillal | +1 for accurate marketplace data. As keep having people ask me about it. | 17:20 |
| krtaylor | ok, I can push a patch to make stackalytics current, but I don't want to maintain that for all the third party vendors | 17:21 |
| jroll | it's our responsibility to ensure accuracy, whether we do it or push vendors to do it | 17:21 |
| krtaylor | they should do that for themselves | 17:21 |
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| thiagop | sambetts: CIMC is different of pxe_iscsi_cimc? | 17:21 |
| sambetts | thiagop: ? | 17:22 |
| jroll | also, it isn't up to date currently for community drivers | 17:22 |
| rloo | i seem to recall anita's concern about stackalytics is that any vendor can push whatever they want. so she wasn't sure how reliable that was. | 17:22 |
| jroll | e.g. agent_ipmitool is in more than juno | 17:22 |
| jroll | rloo: indeed | 17:22 |
| thiagop | sambetts: on the wiki krtaylor sent, there is a CIMC and pxe_iscsi_cimc drivers. Are they different? | 17:22 |
| jroll | anyway, glad to see the wiki updated | 17:23 |
| jroll | I'll add to my todo list to verify it independently, and I can handle the stackalytics stuff | 17:23 |
| sambetts | thiagop: no, I'm not sure why we're listed twice there | 17:23 |
| rloo | is the info in stackalytics similar to the info tracked in the 3rd-party page? | 17:24 |
| krtaylor | oops, my bad, listed them twice, I'll fix that thiagop | 17:24 |
| jroll | rloo: yes | 17:24 |
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| thiagop | krtaylor: maybe UCSM and pxe_ucs too...?! | 17:24 |
| sambetts | thiagop, krtaylor: yup | 17:24 |
| rloo | jroll: so maybe someone could automate (yay, another bot) updating stackalytics with the data in 3rd party page. | 17:24 |
| jroll | rloo: hrm | 17:25 |
| rloo | "intern" comes to mind. | 17:25 |
| thiagop | rloo: I think the 3rd party page has some information about "our" requirements that stackalytics don't | 17:25 |
| krtaylor | well, maybe we can use that page as the master list, once all test systems have fulfilled all their infra requirements | 17:25 |
| thiagop | rloo: lol | 17:25 |
| krtaylor | thiagop, right | 17:25 |
| * sambetts personally thinks the interface provided by stackalytics is more useful than the wiki page | 17:25 | |
| krtaylor | ++ | 17:25 |
| thiagop | The good in stackalytics is that it updates the CI status automagically | 17:26 |
| krtaylor | like I said a summit, I was just using the wiki table as a way to keep track of the systems and where they are in meeting the requirements | 17:26 |
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| rloo | it just seems silly to have humans manually updating stackalytics if the info is already avail elsewhere. | 17:26 |
| krtaylor | thiagop, but it is not a reliable status | 17:26 |
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| sambetts | this is the "offical" third party systems page https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/ThirdPartySystems | 17:27 |
| krtaylor | rloo, but the info in stackalytics is mined for marketplace | 17:27 |
| thiagop | krtaylor: the wiki is still useful, until we move to the status were putting the CI online is requirement for merging new drivers (is that the intended future, right?) | 17:27 |
| krtaylor | sambetts, exactly, that link is in the requirements | 17:27 |
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| krtaylor | thiagop, it is the requirement (see spec) | 17:28 |
| rloo | krtaylor: i'm not questioning whether stackalytics should have data. i'm just wondering how we can be efficient about getting that data to stackalytics. | 17:28 |
| jroll | I think the clear answer there is have vendors do it | 17:28 |
| jroll | BUT | 17:28 |
| jroll | it's really out of whack right now and needs someone to clean it up | 17:29 |
| jroll | especially community drivers | 17:29 |
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| krtaylor | every system must satisfy infra requirements *and* ironic requirements (see spec) | 17:29 |
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| krtaylor | jroll, I understand that viewpoint, but it is also an indicator if the system is doing the right thing in the community | 17:29 |
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| rloo | jroll: so *after* stackalytics is in sync (volunteer please), we ask vendors to keep it up to date? | 17:29 |
| jroll | krtaylor: I don't understand what you mean | 17:30 |
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| krtaylor | jroll, what I mean is, the vendor should care enough about their driver to list it in stackalytics | 17:30 |
| krtaylor | if they don't, should we? | 17:31 |
| jroll | krtaylor: sure, what I'm actually referring to is ensuring the data is accurate | 17:31 |
| jroll | also | 17:31 |
| krtaylor | oh, not if it is listed in the first place, gotcha | 17:31 |
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| jroll | from a project marketing standpoint, we do want to say "hey this works ona bunch of hw" | 17:32 |
| jroll | if someone comes to the marketplace wondering if we do iLO, and iLO isn't listed, then we lost a user | 17:32 |
| jroll | right? | 17:32 |
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| jroll | so honestly we should hold ourselves responsible for ensuring the data is accurate and there in the first place | 17:32 |
| cdearborn | is it documented anywhere how to make a driver show up in the marketplace? | 17:32 |
| devananda | it also reflects poorly on us, as a project and a community, if that data is inaccurate | 17:32 |
| jroll | maybe that means bugging $vendor to do it until they do | 17:32 |
| jroll | maybe it means doing it ourselves | 17:33 |
| krtaylor | cdearborn, yes, link is above the table | 17:33 |
| devananda | jroll: ++ | 17:33 |
| jroll | I lean toward doing a first pass myself | 17:33 |
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| jroll | once it's accurate, it's easy to keep up to date | 17:33 |
| thiagop | I think that information should be unified to a single source at some point in time | 17:33 |
| cdearborn | can you post a link to the page with the table | 17:33 |
| * thiagop dislikes scripts | 17:33 | |
| * devananda thinks we also need to document how to keep it up to date | 17:33 | |
| thiagop | not now, but in the future | 17:33 |
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| jroll | cdearborn: one better, https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/DriverLog#How_To:_Add_a_new_driver_to_DriverLog | 17:34 |
| thiagop | devananda: +1 | 17:34 |
| krtaylor | jroll, thats the problem with wikis, the info get stagnant quickly | 17:34 |
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| jroll | krtaylor: yeah, wikis are terrible, we should stop using them | 17:34 |
| krtaylor | cdearborn, https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Ironic/Drivers#3rd_Party_CI_required_implementation_status | 17:34 |
| jroll | krtaylor: but, drivers don't get added or removed often, so I disagree with that assertion | 17:34 |
| cdearborn | jrol, krtaylor: thx much! | 17:34 |
| jroll | np | 17:34 |
| jlvillal | And last I recall new users had a difficult time getting an account on the Wiki, due to spam control. | 17:35 |
| jroll | so anyway, I'll do a pass on stackalytics at some point, can't promise it will be soon though | 17:35 |
| * jroll volunteers | 17:35 | |
| krtaylor | jroll, fair enough, I'll push a patch and then we'll see how big aload it is to keep it up to date, learn as we go | 17:35 |
| thiagop | maybe we should start thinking of something that works with the driver composition reform, since it tends to increase the number of combinations | 17:35 |
| krtaylor | ok, better yet! | 17:35 |
| jroll | krtaylor: or that works :) | 17:35 |
| krtaylor | hehheh | 17:35 |
| jroll | krtaylor: context, I'm going afk for a week or two after midcycle, so | 17:35 |
| krtaylor | I like rloo 's idea to automate it somehow | 17:36 |
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| krtaylor | jroll, imho, I think we should do this in a group then, to make sure what is there is accurate, because I don't know the state of everything | 17:37 |
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| rloo | maybe a midcycle topic/thing-to-do? | 17:38 |
| jroll | krtaylor: yeah, let's start with a WIP gerrit review and we can chime in | 17:38 |
| jroll | or that | 17:38 |
| krtaylor | the info need to be complete in the table before we push a patch, stackalytics folks require a complete record | 17:38 |
| jroll | uh | 17:38 |
| jroll | what? | 17:38 |
| jroll | we'll complete it before we ask them to merge it :) | 17:39 |
| jroll | or are they against more than one patchset | 17:39 |
| krtaylor | sure, np, it will just be -1ed by them until it is complete | 17:39 |
| jroll | yeah, that's totally fine, hence the WIP | 17:39 |
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| krtaylor | ok, so I'll push a WIP patch today | 17:40 |
| jroll | that's really the goal, get ironic people to review it and suggest what needs to be added | 17:40 |
| jroll | nice, thanks, maybe send it to the ML to ask people to jump in | 17:40 |
| rloo | thx krtaylor | 17:40 |
| krtaylor | then we can throw darts at it in channel or in the virtual midcycle | 17:40 |
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| jroll | ++ | 17:40 |
| jroll | thank you | 17:40 |
| * rloo saves her darts for other things | 17:40 | |
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| krtaylor | so...anything else for third party CI topics? | 17:41 |
| thiagop | I have an item | 17:41 |
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| thiagop | I was thinking about submitting a talk on 3rd party CI deployment for Barcelona's Summit and I'd like to herd some cats that would like to share their expertise | 17:42 |
| thiagop | anyone interested? | 17:42 |
| jroll | ooo a panel would be cool | 17:42 |
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| krtaylor | hm, panel | 17:42 |
| jlvillal | A panel you can have 5 people. 4 for the panel and 1 moderator. A talk can only have two people. From when I looked. | 17:43 |
| thiagop | or that :) | 17:43 |
| sambetts | that would be cool! | 17:43 |
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| krtaylor | panel wouldn't be as good to show slides to clarify points | 17:43 |
| thiagop | Then, can I write sambetts and krtaylor on my list of interested folks? | 17:44 |
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| krtaylor | thiagop, I am interested, or I would like to get one of my team members to look at it | 17:44 |
| thiagop | jroll: do you do 3rd party or just community? | 17:44 |
| jroll | thiagop: the latter | 17:45 |
| rloo | would it be useful to have people that did 3rd party CI for other projects? are the issues the same regardless of ironic or neutron or ... ? | 17:45 |
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| sambetts | rloo: some issues are some issues aren't | 17:45 |
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| thiagop | rloo: I don't know many people from other projects. I was thinking on something more Ironic related, but if we can expand would be yet more awesome | 17:46 |
| thiagop | *from other projects that do 3rd party CI* | 17:46 |
| krtaylor | so, we have had third party BoF's before | 17:46 |
| thiagop | Nobody from iLO CI here? :D | 17:46 |
| sambetts | rloo: high level CI infra is normally the same accross third party CIs, but the bottom of the stack is where things get werid for Ironic because of talking to real hardware etc | 17:46 |
| thiagop | sambetts: +1 | 17:47 |
| rloo | sambetts: ok. | 17:47 |
| krtaylor | they do share a majority of the infrastructure, but ironic has new problems to conquer with machine pools (instead of VMs) | 17:47 |
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| vdrok | thiagop: it's Nisha or stendulker | 17:48 |
| vdrok | from ilo | 17:48 |
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| thiagop | so, to move it on. If somebody else is interested, please ping me on the main channel. | 17:48 |
| thiagop | I'll ping them, thanks vdrok | 17:48 |
| krtaylor | thiagop, will do, thanks | 17:48 |
| krtaylor | anything else? | 17:49 |
| krtaylor | so, lets move on ... jlvillal ? | 17:49 |
| * jlvillal thinks this has been a new time record for 3rd party CI topic ;) | 17:49 | |
| krtaylor | hehheh | 17:49 |
| jlvillal | Thanks! | 17:49 |
| jlvillal | #topic Open Discussion | 17:49 |
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| jlvillal | If anyone has anything, speak up now | 17:50 |
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| jlvillal | Okay, I think we are done. | 17:50 |
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| jlvillal | Thanks everyone! | 17:50 |
| jlvillal | #endmeeting | 17:50 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Jun 15 17:50:47 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2016/ironic_qa.2016-06-15-17.00.html | 17:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2016/ironic_qa.2016-06-15-17.00.txt | 17:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2016/ironic_qa.2016-06-15-17.00.log.html | 17:50 |
| thiagop | Thanks | 17:50 |
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| jroll | thanks jlvillal | 17:52 |
| jlvillal | :) | 17:52 |
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| notmyname | swift team meeting time | 21:00 |
| notmyname | #startmeeting swift | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 15 21:00:20 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'swift' | 21:00 |
| notmyname | who's here for the swift team meeting? | 21:00 |
| cschwede | o/ | 21:00 |
| m_kazuhiro | o/ | 21:00 |
| jrichli | . | 21:00 |
| cutforth | o/ | 21:00 |
| acoles | here | 21:00 |
| dmorita | hi | 21:00 |
| tdasilva | hello | 21:00 |
| hosanai | o/ | 21:00 |
| kmARC | o/ | 21:00 |
| timburke | o/ | 21:00 |
| mathiasb | o/ | 21:01 |
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| kota_ | hello | 21:01 |
| notmyname | hello, everyone | 21:01 |
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| notmyname | not a ton on the agenda today | 21:01 |
| notmyname | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift | 21:01 |
| notmyname | but let's get started | 21:01 |
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| torgomatic | . | 21:02 |
| notmyname | #topic rolling upgrade / translation bug | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rolling upgrade / translation bug (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:02 | |
| notmyname | cschwede: quick status check on these. any change from last week? | 21:02 |
| cschwede | nothing new… | 21:02 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:02 |
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| notmyname | #topic hackathon | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "hackathon (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:02 | |
| acoles | cschwede: sorry I think I need to review your gettext patch again | 21:02 |
| notmyname | #link https://www.eventbrite.com/e/openstack-swift-july-2016-hackathon-tickets-25913773795 | 21:02 |
| notmyname | please sign up for the hackathon and get a hotel room soon, if you're planning on coming | 21:03 |
| cschwede | acoles: no worries, crypto is more important right now | 21:03 |
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| ntata | hello | 21:03 |
| notmyname | #topic crypto status | 21:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "crypto status (Meeting topic: swift)" | 21:04 | |
| notmyname | crypto-review is up and ready to be reviewed. I've updated http://not.mn/swift/swift_community_dashboard.html to reflect that :-) | 21:04 |
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| tdasilva | lol | 21:04 |
| kota_ | lol | 21:04 |
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| kota_ | that's only crypto reviews | 21:05 |
| notmyname | soft freeze on master while this is being reviewed. we'll reevaluate the freeze at the end of next week, based on where we are with the reviews | 21:05 |
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| notmyname | kota_: exactly! that's what you should be doing ;-) | 21:05 |
| jrichli | that's great! | 21:05 |
| acoles | I pushed a new version of all the patches about an hour ago | 21:05 |
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| notmyname | acoles: thank you for managing that | 21:05 |
| acoles | notmyname: kota_ IS doing it | 21:05 |
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| notmyname | acoles: I know. he's great! | 21:05 |
| jrichli | yes, thanks kota_! | 21:06 |
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| kota_ | ;-) | 21:06 |
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| acoles | I am trying to leave a reply to every comment, so as to track them, but if I miss one please don't take it personally, just leave the comment again | 21:06 |
| notmyname | everyone who reviews the crypto-review branch is great. so if you want to be great too, get to reviewing! ;-) | 21:06 |
| acoles | Think I worked through approx 100 comments in last 24 hours! | 21:06 |
| notmyname | acoles: are the logistics working for you so far? is it an ok process? | 21:06 |
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| acoles | notmyname: kindof. I have burnt myself with rebases once or twice :/ but that's me being dumb/tired | 21:07 |
| kota_ | acoles: you're great | 21:07 |
| tdasilva | kota_: +1000 | 21:07 |
| notmyname | acoles: anything I can do or others can to do help out with that side of things? | 21:08 |
| notmyname | (or anything we can stop doing that's causing you pain?) | 21:08 |
| jrichli | yes, acoles is awesome | 21:08 |
| acoles | there is a risk that I push new patches and miss recent comments on the last version (that happened to torgomatics comments this evening) | 21:08 |
| acoles | I have a lag because I am running tests on every patch in chain before pushing | 21:08 |
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| acoles | so again, please just leave the same comment or point out to me to g olook at an older version | 21:09 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:09 |
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| timburke | ...which, from all those Verified+1 emails just now, seems to be paying off | 21:09 |
| notmyname | how's everyone else doing with the crypto reviews? any issues, questions, or otherwise? | 21:09 |
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| torgomatic | sort of wondering why we have a Putter and a MIMEPutter isntead of just one thing, but I'm working onit | 21:10 |
| cschwede | i think the current work is already awesome, just digging into the details right now | 21:10 |
| acoles | torgomatic: we definitely don't have a BasePutter ;) | 21:11 |
| notmyname | some of the stuff is somewhat opaque to me right now, since I'm not a crypto expert at all (eg I've been looking at the iv/key derivation). hard for me to know if that's good or now | 21:11 |
| notmyname | *not | 21:11 |
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| notmyname | any suggestions on how to tackle the crypto bits? anything better than read the code and think hard? | 21:13 |
| acoles | torgomatic: IIRC I think maybe all replicated policy requests *could* just use a MimePutter but I only made those needing footers use a MimePutter ? | 21:13 |
| cschwede | i’m neither a crypto expert, but so far all the crypto stuff makes a lot of sense to me - I read a few more papers to lock into details and it looks good to me so far | 21:14 |
| jrichli | notmyname: I am open to provide an info I have - just let me know what would be best | 21:14 |
| kmARC | jrichli: correct me if I'm wrong but te crypto-related parts have already been reviewed by cca. | 21:14 |
| acoles | maybe we can get some of jrichli's colleagues in Zurich to review? | 21:14 |
| notmyname | cschwede: oh, so I'll add in "go read academic papers" ;-) | 21:14 |
| kmARC | we probably can get him to have another look on it | 21:14 |
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| jrichli | kmARC: yes, it would be a good idea to have cca take a look now. some things may have changed a little | 21:15 |
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| acoles | jrichli: actually did you let cca know that he is named as author on the patch, so he may well want to review it ;) | 21:15 |
| kota_ | cschwede: oh, if you have recommended papers, they're great to catch up the detail. | 21:15 |
| acoles | cca == C Cachin right? | 21:15 |
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| kota_ | (or wrote down into docs at review-6?) | 21:16 |
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| jrichli | acoles: that's right! and yes, that's right. | 21:16 |
| cschwede | kota_: i’ll have a look and try to provide a few links until Friday | 21:16 |
| kmARC | OK. Tomorrow I'll talk to him, hopefully by the time you guys wake up he'd have had a look :) | 21:16 |
| kota_ | s/wrote/will be written) | 21:16 |
| kota_ | cschwede: thanks! | 21:16 |
| notmyname | kmARC: thanks | 21:16 |
| notmyname | anything else from anyone about the crypto-review branch (code or process)? | 21:17 |
| acoles | kmARC: thanks | 21:17 |
| notmyname | ok, let's move on | 21:18 |
| notmyname | #topic docs added to our repo | 21:18 |
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| notmyname | annegentle: you added this topic about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312315/ | 21:18 |
| annegentle | o/ holla | 21:19 |
| notmyname | and also https://review.openstack.org/#/c/330070/ was just added | 21:19 |
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| notmyname | s/added/proposed/ | 21:19 |
| annegentle | responding to Donaugh's questions on the review now, and wanted to bring this forward at a meeting to be sure I can answer questions | 21:19 |
| notmyname | seems that there's been some good conversation in gerrit | 21:19 |
| annegentle | I put a few more links in the commit message to provide additional context, good questions | 21:19 |
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| notmyname | in general, I like the idea of docs about a project being owned/managed by that project | 21:20 |
| annegentle | yes, swift has been culturally that way for ages | 21:21 |
| notmyname | but some of the logistical stuff is what I'm curious about (where stuff gets published and when, how to manage/update, etc). the stuff asked in gerrit | 21:21 |
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| annegentle | the job itself will build to developer.openstack/api-ref/object-storage/ | 21:22 |
| annegentle | then we'll need an .htaccess redirect 301 from http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref-objectstorage-v1.html | 21:22 |
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| annegentle | other teams are working out kinks before redirecting | 21:22 |
| notmyname | ok | 21:22 |
| notmyname | I supposed that's similar to the install guide too? | 21:22 |
| annegentle | We're also working on how the navigation works for multiple APIs, http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-June/096972.html | 21:23 |
| annegentle | notmyname: yeah, ideally we don't give a worse document after redirecting. | 21:23 |
| annegentle | and ultimately the theme will better match the rest of the docs like https://api.os.gra.ham.ie/compute/ which we are still reviewing | 21:24 |
| annegentle | #info REST API docs moving in-tree to project repos | 21:24 |
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| annegentle | #info Once https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312315/ lands with its dependent build patch, API reference info is published to developer.openstack/api-ref/object-storage/ | 21:25 |
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| annegentle | #info Working on new styling and nav, refer to https://api.os.gra.ham.ie/compute/ and http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-June/096972.html | 21:25 |
| notmyname | annegentle: thanks for answering our questions. FYI responses might be slower until we get the crypto stuff merged | 21:26 |
| annegentle | I think that covers the questions. | 21:26 |
| acoles | is there a plan to add a gate job for the new tox api-ref env? If so can we get a gate job in zuul *first* using a placeholder api-ref env then these patches will pass/fail that in the gate? | 21:26 |
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| annegentle | acoles: yep, need to update with Depends-on: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313015/ | 21:26 |
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| annegentle | acoles: based on reviews in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313015/ I guess they need the content to land first? | 21:26 |
| annegentle | acoles: perhaps you can work that out with infra | 21:27 |
| notmyname | well, maybe someone can investigate that after crypto. not before | 21:28 |
| acoles | annegentle: is that a non-voting job? sorry, yaml i snot my first language. | 21:28 |
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| acoles | is not* | 21:28 |
| annegentle | acoles: I believe these are non-voting, yes. | 21:28 |
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| notmyname | if non-voting, then if we land it first, we should see it pass with the proposed docs patch | 21:29 |
| annegentle | acoles: though I'm not completely clear on whether it can be reviewed on say docs-draft | 21:29 |
| notmyname | and the initial failures wouldn't matter | 21:30 |
| acoles | annegentle: well if infra are waiting for the swift patch then we can't have DependsOn in the swift patch | 21:30 |
| notmyname | annegentle: what's docs-draft? | 21:30 |
| annegentle | acoles: Andreas (Ajaeger) said "This is waiting for the swift patch to merge first - and once that is in, this needs another +A." | 21:30 |
| annegentle | notmyname: for example http://docs-draft.openstack.org/15/312315/8/check/gate-swift-docs/e90d607//doc/build/html/ | 21:30 |
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| annegentle | notmyname: which I guess is a gate job but teams set it to non-voting if they want it to | 21:31 |
| notmyname | since your patch sets up a new doc tree, it's not related to what's created in that docs-daft version | 21:31 |
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| acoles | annegentle: right, when you said " need to update with Depends-on: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313015/" I assumed you meant update the swift patch, but that would prevent it merging before 313015 gets a +A (I think?) | 21:32 |
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| notmyname | so either they could be unified (same tree and/or same conf.py) or a new gate job defined for it | 21:32 |
| annegentle | notmyname: sure, what I mean is that there's no "draft" build right now | 21:32 |
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| notmyname | acoles: you're suggesting swapping the dependency, right? so land the -infra patch frist, then the swift patch. that way we have a gate job before the docs | 21:33 |
| annegentle | notmyname: these have new jobs defined in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/313015/ -- what I don't know is if the template contains gate jobs | 21:33 |
| annegentle | acoles: I'd like that too | 21:33 |
| acoles | notmyname: that's what I'd prefer | 21:33 |
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| annegentle | acoles: notmyname: I'll follow up with Andreas to see if we can get that. | 21:33 |
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| annegentle | anything else? | 21:34 |
| notmyname | acoles: yeah, that sounds completely reasonable. we already know that what was originally proposed didn't build, so it's good to catch that in the CI job | 21:34 |
| notmyname | annegentle: thanks | 21:34 |
| acoles | notmyname: exactly ;) | 21:34 |
| annegentle | thanks | 21:34 |
| notmyname | #topic open discussion | 21:35 |
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| notmyname | anything else from anyone this week? | 21:35 |
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| notmyname | ok, great! | 21:36 |
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| notmyname | thanks everyone for coming. thanks for working on swift | 21:36 |
| notmyname | #endmeeting | 21:37 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2016/swift.2016-06-15-21.00.html | 21:37 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2016/swift.2016-06-15-21.00.txt | 21:37 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/swift/2016/swift.2016-06-15-21.00.log.html | 21:37 |
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