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| aspiers | hello | 08:01 |
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| samP | hi o/ | 08:01 |
| aspiers | hi :) | 08:01 |
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| beekhof | hey | 08:03 |
| aspiers | #startmeeting ha | 08:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 20 08:03:39 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is aspiers. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:03 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ha' | 08:03 |
| aspiers | hi everybody, welcome to another HA meeting | 08:03 |
| aspiers | I think I finally got the time right this week! | 08:04 |
| chenpengzi | :) | 08:04 |
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| aspiers | #topic administravia: future meetings | 08:04 |
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| samP | Is beekhof prefer -1h or +2h from current time? | 08:04 |
| aspiers | we may change the time again in the near future, so that it also suits beekhof | 08:05 |
| beekhof | y | 08:05 |
| aspiers | I have collected preferential times from most people so far | 08:05 |
| aspiers | but if you haven't yet sent me your preferred times, please do so | 08:05 |
| * aspiers kicks the meetbot | 08:05 | |
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| aspiers | #action aspiers to figure out a meeting time best for everyone, and submit a review to change the time | 08:06 |
| aspiers | hmm, meetbot died? | 08:06 |
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| beekhof | might be a feature | 08:07 |
| aspiers | hah | 08:07 |
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| aspiers | #help | 08:07 |
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| aspiers | hi ddeja :) | 08:07 |
| ddeja | aspiers: hi | 08:07 |
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| aspiers | sorry, just reporting meetbot issue to #openstack-infra | 08:08 |
| ddeja | aspiers: oh, like two weeks ago... | 08:08 |
| aspiers | ddeja: oh really? | 08:08 |
| ddeja | aspiers: yup | 08:08 |
| ddeja | aspiers: meetbot is definitely not in HA ;P | 08:09 |
| aspiers | haha | 08:09 |
| aspiers | the #openstack-infra status says static.openstack.org is currently being rebuilt | 08:10 |
| aspiers | but that should be unrelated | 08:10 |
| aspiers | jhesketh is taking a look right now | 08:10 |
| aspiers | anyone know any good jokes while we wait? ;-) | 08:11 |
| haukebruno | morning \o/ | 08:11 |
| aspiers | hi haukebruno :) | 08:11 |
| aspiers | jhesketh: if it helps, meetbot is still responsive to private /msg | 08:11 |
| ddeja | aspiers: you probably know that one... https://d21ii91i3y6o6h.cloudfront.net/gallery_images/from_proof/3442/large/1418280711/die-cut-stickers.png | 08:12 |
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| samP | hi haukebruno and ddeja | 08:12 |
| aspiers | ddeja: haha, good one :) | 08:12 |
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| ddeja | hi samP :) | 08:12 |
| ddeja | aspiers: you can actually order such sticker... would be a hit on summit ;) | 08:12 |
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| aspiers | ddeja: great idea | 08:13 |
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| aspiers | ddeja: would make a good hoodie too | 08:13 |
| ddeja | haha, yes :D | 08:13 |
| beekhof | i love it | 08:13 |
| aspiers | even rms / FSF would approve of that | 08:13 |
| aspiers | https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/who-does-that-server-really-serve.en.html | 08:14 |
| ddeja | since we are talking about hoodies and waiting for the meetbot... http://www.redbubble.com/people/dynamitfrosch/works/21125529-git-pull?grid_pos=1&p=t-shirt&style=raglan | 08:14 |
| aspiers | oops, I might get kicked from the channel for sharing anti-cloud propaganda :) | 08:14 |
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| aspiers | lol | 08:15 |
| haukebruno | lol | 08:15 |
| haukebruno | evil one, aspiers | 08:15 |
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| aspiers | I want one of the "Well it worked on Devstack" T-shirts | 08:15 |
| aspiers | jhesketh: any chance of fixing meetbot in next few minutes, or should we just continue the meeting without the bot? | 08:16 |
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| jhesketh | aspiers: I can't see anything obviously wrong with it | 08:16 |
| jhesketh | well not immediately sorry | 08:16 |
| aspiers | #topic test | 08:17 |
| aspiers | it's not dead, it's just resting | 08:17 |
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| aspiers | jhesketh: hmm, well is there a way of feeding the logs back into it later on? | 08:18 |
| odyssey4me | aspiers pining for the fjords? | 08:18 |
| aspiers | jhesketh: or at least putting them on eavesdrop? | 08:18 |
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| jhesketh | aspiers: yeah there shoudl be a way | 08:18 |
| jhesketh | carry on with the meeting I would suggest | 08:19 |
| aspiers | jhesketh: ok will do - thanks a lot! | 08:19 |
| aspiers | odyssey4me: exactly :) or it's just stunned :) | 08:19 |
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| aspiers | alright | 08:19 |
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| aspiers | haukebruno, ddeja, beekhof, samP, beekhof, Dinesh_Bhor: sorry for the distraction - let's resume | 08:20 |
| beekhof | ok | 08:20 |
| aspiers | #topic user story | 08:21 |
| aspiers | so we had some more progress with reviews last week, and now I think there is only one review left to merge | 08:21 |
| aspiers | which is one I submitted to expand the definition of the problem the user story tackles | 08:21 |
| aspiers | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/329964/ | 08:21 |
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| aspiers | please take a look if you can | 08:22 |
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| aspiers | samP: I also talked with some colleagues about the new usage scenarios, and we were wondering if the maintenance mode bit could be covered by pacemaker (crm node maintenance etc.) | 08:23 |
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| samP | aspiers: I would like to know the details. Its in ML or ? | 08:24 |
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| aspiers | samP: no, I was at a team meeting in Germany so I talked to them | 08:24 |
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| beekhof | ok, i'll take a look. but it wont be right now | 08:25 |
| aspiers | samP: to me it seems there are two types of maintenance: reactive and proactive | 08:25 |
| aspiers | beekhof: thanks | 08:25 |
| samP | aspiers: ah, Thank you. Is there any way we can discuss about it? | 08:25 |
| aspiers | samP: reactive is after an unexpected failure | 08:25 |
| aspiers | samP: sure, we can discuss a small bit now, but also on #openstack-ha any time | 08:25 |
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| aspiers | samP: proactive is before any failure | 08:26 |
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| aspiers | samP: and the desired behaviour would probably be different for both | 08:26 |
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| aspiers | samP: one of my colleagues also suggested that the scope of the openstack UI (horizon / CLI / API) is managing stuff inside the cloud, whereas managing cloud infrastructure is the responsibility of vendors | 08:27 |
| aspiers | I think that's a fairly accurate representation of openstack right now, at least | 08:27 |
| aspiers | in which case maybe it doesn't make sense to try to build infrastructure management UIs into openstack | 08:28 |
| aspiers | but I'm not sure | 08:28 |
| samP | aspiers: OK, reactive failures, that would be fine. cause, node have already facing some problems and must do the maintenance anyway. | 08:28 |
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| aspiers | samP: the actions required would be different in reactive case vs. proactive case | 08:29 |
| aspiers | samP: but they both depend a lot on how the cloud was deployed / monitored | 08:30 |
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| samP | aspiers: IMHO yes. lets say you want to do a pre planned maintenance. | 08:30 |
| aspiers | we didn't reach any clear conclusions though | 08:30 |
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| aspiers | shall we quickly discuss the specs? | 08:32 |
| aspiers | I think we could continue the maintenance discussion in #openstack-ha | 08:32 |
| aspiers | #topic specs | 08:32 |
| aspiers | today I finally have free time to continue work on specs | 08:33 |
| aspiers | last 2 weeks I was at workshops in Germany, so didn't have time :( | 08:33 |
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| ddeja | aspiers: Spec repository is set-up, doesn't it? | 08:34 |
| aspiers | ddeja: yes | 08:35 |
| ddeja | ok, cool | 08:35 |
| aspiers | ddeja: sorry, I mean it exists | 08:35 |
| aspiers | ddeja: but I am still setting up the skeleton repo contents | 08:35 |
| ddeja | oh, OK | 08:35 |
| aspiers | ddeja: I will focus on that today, so that other people can benefit ASAP | 08:35 |
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| ddeja | great | 08:35 |
| samP | great, thanks. | 08:35 |
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| aspiers | any other topics people want to discuss? I don't have anything else right now | 08:36 |
| aspiers | #topic AOB | 08:36 |
| aspiers | oh, I talked to the chairman of OpenStack board about the idea of having a dedicated HA track in Barcelona :) | 08:37 |
| aspiers | he said he would look into it | 08:37 |
| ddeja | oh, that's really great :) | 08:37 |
| haukebruno | would be great | 08:37 |
| aspiers | I'll let you all know if there any developments | 08:37 |
| samP | is that for Instance HA or general HA? | 08:37 |
| aspiers | samP: all HA | 08:37 |
| samP | great, | 08:38 |
| aspiers | also, I forwarded my openstack-dev mail about the user story to openstack-operators, and I got one reply privately | 08:38 |
| aspiers | so only two replies in total | 08:38 |
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| aspiers | which is a bit disappointing | 08:38 |
| samP | aspiers: aa yes Jhon for doctor | 08:38 |
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| aspiers | but I think when we have some specs ready it will be a lot easier to promote awareness | 08:38 |
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| aspiers | any other topics? if not we can close the meeting | 08:39 |
| samP | aspiers: sorry it was Tomi for Nokia ( Doctor team) | 08:39 |
| aspiers | samP: yes, that was one of the replies | 08:40 |
| aspiers | the other one was private, unfortunately I can't say who | 08:40 |
| aspiers | ok no more topics, so let's close | 08:42 |
| aspiers | as usual if you think of anything, please raise on #openstack-ha | 08:42 |
| aspiers | #endmeeting | 08:42 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 20 08:42:48 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:42 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/2016/ha.2016-06-20-08.03.html | 08:42 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/2016/ha.2016-06-20-08.03.txt | 08:42 |
| haukebruno | thanks aspiers | 08:42 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/2016/ha.2016-06-20-08.03.log.html | 08:42 |
| haukebruno | ah, meeting bot is back :p | 08:42 |
| beekhof | no-one wanted to take potshots about my blog post? | 08:43 |
| samP | thank you all | 08:43 |
| aspiers | beekhof: give me some time ;-) | 08:43 |
| samP | yeh...the bot is back | 08:43 |
| beekhof | :) | 08:43 |
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| ddeja | thanks all | 08:43 |
| aspiers | oh, meetbot, where were you all that time? | 08:43 |
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| jhesketh | aspiers: as best as I can tell the meetbot never left... why it didn't respond to your other commands though I'm not sure | 08:44 |
| * jhesketh isn't very familiar with meetbot sorry | 08:44 | |
| aspiers | jhesketh: yeah it's weird. does it have any internal logs? | 08:44 |
| jhesketh | nothing helpful | 08:44 |
| aspiers | jhesketh: wow, it actually *did* honour my #foo commands | 08:45 |
| aspiers | as seen here http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/2016/ha.2016-06-20-08.03.html | 08:45 |
| aspiers | it just didn't respond to them or change the channel topic | 08:45 |
| jhesketh | right | 08:45 |
| aspiers | jhesketh: maybe it lost topic changing permissions? | 08:46 |
| jhesketh | odd | 08:46 |
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| aspiers | jhesketh: e.g. freenode-related issue? | 08:46 |
| aspiers | jhesketh: since the channel topic didn't change at the beginning/end of the meeting either | 08:47 |
| aspiers | jhesketh: it wasn't just #topic which failed to change it | 08:47 |
| jhesketh | right | 08:47 |
| jhesketh | aspiers: your hunch might be right... I can't see meetbot in the access list for some reason | 08:49 |
| jhesketh | #startmeeting test | 08:50 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 20 08:50:25 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jhesketh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:50 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:50 |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'test' | 08:50 |
| jhesketh | #endmeeting | 08:50 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 20 08:50:35 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:50 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/test/2016/test.2016-06-20-08.50.html | 08:50 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/test/2016/test.2016-06-20-08.50.txt | 08:50 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/test/2016/test.2016-06-20-08.50.log.html | 08:50 |
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| anteaya | #startmeeting third-party | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 20 15:00:44 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 15:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 15:00 |
| anteaya | hello | 15:00 |
| mmedvede | o/ | 15:00 |
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| asselin | hi | 15:01 |
| anteaya | hey mmedvede and asselin | 15:02 |
| anteaya | how are you today? | 15:02 |
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| anteaya | some person was trying to ping me last week in -infra asking how to set up third party ci, nick started with 'r' | 15:03 |
| anteaya | did either of you talk to anyone new this week that you recall? | 15:03 |
| anteaya | they had disappeared from channel before I could reply to them | 15:03 |
| anteaya | so I'm guessing Europe based? | 15:03 |
| mmedvede | anteaya: reduxio asked a couple of questions on #openstack-third-party-ci | 15:03 |
| asselin | reduxio? | 15:04 |
| anteaya | that is the person yeah | 15:04 |
| anteaya | did they make any progress? | 15:04 |
| anteaya | they didn't really ask a question in infra, they just said can anyone help me, so noone replied | 15:04 |
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| mmedvede | anteaya: asked about nodepool errors, I gave a couple of hints of what can be wrong, so there is progress | 15:05 |
| anteaya | yay progress | 15:05 |
| anteaya | and yay asking about help with actual errors | 15:06 |
| anteaya | glad it hear it | 15:06 |
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| anteaya | thank you mmedvede | 15:06 |
| anteaya | anything to discuss today? | 15:06 |
| mmedvede | not from me. But I want to express general yay for jenkins going away | 15:06 |
| anteaya | mmedvede: general yay acknowledged :) | 15:07 |
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| anteaya | #info mmedvede is happy with our jenkins-less world | 15:07 |
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| mmedvede | mainly because we have problems with jenkins, so being able to have no jenkins at some point is nice | 15:08 |
| anteaya | yup, I hear that | 15:08 |
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| anteaya | how long do you think before you can run jenkins free? | 15:08 |
| mmedvede | I think we'll at least wait for zuul v3 | 15:08 |
| anteaya | okay fair enough | 15:08 |
| anteaya | asselin: anything you what to chat about today? | 15:09 |
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| anteaya | I'm assuming there is nothing pressing from asselin | 15:10 |
| anteaya | well I don't have anything myself | 15:10 |
| anteaya | any objection to me closing the meeting? | 15:11 |
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| asselin | sorry, in another meeting. | 15:11 |
| asselin | nothing pressing | 15:11 |
| anteaya | asselin: yep no worries | 15:11 |
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| anteaya | asselin: thanks | 15:11 |
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| anteaya | thanks for being here and see you next week | 15:12 |
| anteaya | #endmeeting | 15:12 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 15:12 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 20 15:12:16 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:12 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-06-20-15.00.html | 15:12 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-06-20-15.00.txt | 15:12 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-06-20-15.00.log.html | 15:12 |
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| rakhmerov | #startmeeting Mistral | 16:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 20 16:01:33 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rakhmerov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral' | 16:01 |
| rakhmerov | hi all | 16:01 |
| d0ugal | Hello! | 16:01 |
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| ddeja | rakhmerov: o/ | 16:01 |
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| rakhmerov | hi | 16:02 |
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| mgershen | hi | 16:02 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: just saw your conversation about meeting time | 16:02 |
| d0ugal | :) | 16:02 |
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| rakhmerov | :) | 16:02 |
| rakhmerov | there was an idea to have 2 meetings, bi-weekly | 16:02 |
| mgershen | 2 meetings is a lot | 16:03 |
| rakhmerov | but honestly I didn't get a lot of feedback on convenient time for different locations | 16:03 |
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| rakhmerov | no, I mean one week - for Asia/Europe and another week for North America | 16:03 |
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| rakhmerov | dunno, maybe we will make it | 16:04 |
| mgershen | sorry | 16:04 |
| rakhmerov | np | 16:04 |
| d0ugal | This is fine, I might just need to leave a bit early today. | 16:04 |
| rakhmerov | as we now have more people I would actually ask you to vote for convenient time slots | 16:04 |
| rakhmerov | soon | 16:04 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: np | 16:04 |
| rakhmerov | ok, let's start then | 16:04 |
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| d0ugal | rakhmerov: k, maybe we can do a vote on the mailing list | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | first of all, I have to apologize again for not sending you a notice last time that we wouldn't have a meeting | 16:05 |
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| rakhmerov | d0ugal: yes, there's already a thread but it's kind of obsolete now, I'll need to check if the slots that I suggested ~ 2 months ago are still available | 16:06 |
| rakhmerov | I'll check that | 16:06 |
| rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov: check time slots for bi-weekly meetings again | 16:06 |
| d0ugal | Thanks | 16:06 |
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| rakhmerov | #topic Current status (progress, issues, roadblocks, further plans) | 16:07 |
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| rakhmerov | my status: I spent last week mostly on reviews, IRC and doing some internal stuff, also researched a lot of Keystone stuff including Federation API and auth plugins | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | also finished Custom Actions API spec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/325769/ | 16:09 |
| rakhmerov | so please review | 16:09 |
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| rakhmerov | as far as that spec, I don't think it's possible to fill it with more details at this stage so I guess particular method signatures etc. is out of its scope | 16:10 |
| ddeja | my status: Write unit tests for kombu driver for alternative RPC API and fix some bugs while doing so - they are ready for review I guess + done some reviews (not a lot of unfortunately) | 16:10 |
| rakhmerov | ddeja: finally, I'm gonna have time tomorrow to review these patches | 16:10 |
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| ddeja | rakhmerov: thanks | 16:10 |
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| mgershen | I have some bugs and blueprints on me, but I haven't started them (working on internal stuff). If anyone needs them and want to work on them now, just let me know. | 16:11 |
| ddeja | I'd like to apologise that it took me this long... | 16:11 |
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| rakhmerov | ddeja: that's totally fine, the task is pretty hairy IMO | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | mgershen: do you expect to start with them any time soon? | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | if not too soon we may want to give part of your tasks to someone else | 16:12 |
| rakhmerov | please let me know once you know | 16:13 |
| mgershen | rakhmerov: it might take 2 weeks | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | ooh, ok | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | mgershen: let's talk offline tomorrow about that | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | jpeeler, d0ugal: any updates from your side guys? | 16:14 |
| mgershen | rakhmerov: sure | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: I saw your patch today, left my comments | 16:14 |
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| d0ugal | I've mostly been working on the TripleO side of things, but I did manage to start on https://bugs.launchpad.net/mistral/+bug/1568541 | 16:15 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1568541 in Mistral "action-update API on non existing action - creates action instead of returning 404" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Dougal Matthews (d0ugal) | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | I guess we discussed that already | 16:15 |
| d0ugal | I'll continue that and expect to have a new version soon | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | ok, awesome | 16:15 |
| d0ugal | Yup, nothing else to say about my patch yet :) | 16:15 |
| jpeeler | i haven't started working on mistral fully yet, so no direct status yet | 16:15 |
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| rakhmerov | ok | 16:15 |
| d0ugal | jpeeler: You have been working on the TripleO workflows which is somewhat related :) | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | jpeeler: just for my records, what time zone are you in? | 16:15 |
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| rakhmerov | yeah :) | 16:16 |
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| jpeeler | d0ugal: true... it's sort of hard to know what's relevant to report | 16:16 |
| d0ugal | indeed. | 16:16 |
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| jpeeler | i've been working on adding zaqar messaging to some of our workflows. since i'm pretty new still, this has been helpful in learning mistral in general. | 16:17 |
| jpeeler | rakhmerov: EST | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | well, I'm personally also interested in those Mistral related activities | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | jpeeler: ok, so it's early morning for you now | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | got it | 16:18 |
| jpeeler | ok that's good to hear. didn't want to assume anything. and it's 12:18 PM for me now, fwiw | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | yeah, I see | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | not too early | 16:18 |
| ddeja | but in a lunch time ;) | 16:19 |
| rakhmerov | let's move on to the next topics? | 16:19 |
| d0ugal | +1 | 16:19 |
| rakhmerov | ooh, so is our meeting stealing your lunch? ;) | 16:19 |
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| rakhmerov | that's pretty bad :) | 16:19 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Custom Actions API spec | 16:20 |
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| rakhmerov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/325769/ | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | so, again: I hope it's kind of finished although someone may want to see more details to be able to start working on it | 16:21 |
| rakhmerov | but I'd like to review it again | 16:21 |
| rakhmerov | hoping that we'll agree on it soon | 16:21 |
| * d0ugal adds to review list for tomorrow | 16:21 | |
| rakhmerov | once it happens I'd like to get you involved in helping with this | 16:22 |
| jpeeler | yeah i'll read over it too | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:22 |
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| rakhmerov | so basically, I was going to ask who could be volunteers for this | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | I know that rbrady wants to help with this | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | not sure who else of you is directly interested | 16:23 |
| rakhmerov | I see a number of work items that we could spread among us | 16:23 |
| d0ugal | I would like to help | 16:23 |
| ddeja | I *may* be able to help, but not sure how long I will be dealing with RPC API, so I do not want to declare anything right now | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: yeah, I think it's directly related to you | 16:24 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: Yup :) | 16:24 |
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| rakhmerov | ddeja: thanks! Let's focus on RPC first, I hope we can knock it down soonish | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | the reason I'm paying that much attention to this topic is its importance | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | no need to repeat probably | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | ok, so rbrady, d0ugal and potentially ddeja are ready to help with Custom Actions API | 16:26 |
| jpeeler | if it's a three person job, i could also help | 16:26 |
| jpeeler | s/three/four | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | #info rbrady, d0ugal and potentially ddeja are ready to help with Custom Actions API | 16:26 |
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| rakhmerov | #info and jpeeler | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | :) | 16:26 |
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| rakhmerov | jpeeler: yeah, I think we could split it | 16:27 |
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| rakhmerov | even if we couldn't this kind of work requires as much feedback as possible anyway | 16:27 |
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| rakhmerov | we're working an API, it should be as thoughtfully designed as possible | 16:28 |
| d0ugal | +1 | 16:28 |
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| rakhmerov | we need to be posting a lot info on ML as well to get a wider feedback | 16:28 |
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| rakhmerov | so on one hand we need to be active with that, but not sacrificing quality at the same time | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | (trying to inspire you) | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | :) | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | (and myself, too) | 16:29 |
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| rakhmerov | ok | 16:29 |
| * ddeja feels inspired | 16:29 | |
| rakhmerov | :)) | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | ddeja: thanks man! | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | ok, nothing else on this topic | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | #topic Automated testing for OpenStack actions | 16:30 |
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| rakhmerov | this is a topic that we wanted to discuss with hparekh but seems like he didn't make it to the meeting | 16:31 |
| d0ugal | Sounds like an interesting topic | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | he had some ideas on how we can automate testing of the whole bunch of OpenStack actions that we have | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | yeah | 16:31 |
| d0ugal | I would like a way to automate testing workflows, which is sort-of related :) | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | he wrote me an email about possible approaches (~ an hour ago), but I didn't read it yet | 16:32 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: what workflows? | 16:32 |
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| rakhmerov | well, yes, that's the next level I guess | 16:32 |
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| d0ugal | rakhmerov: Just any workflows. There is no easy way to automate testing or even validating them | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | the reason it was brought up is because people keep coming in to our IRC and claiming that Mistral doesn't work! | 16:33 |
| d0ugal | lol | 16:33 |
| ddeja | rakhmerov: I kind of understand them... Remember my first time with mistral ;) | 16:34 |
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| rakhmerov | because they try some stuff and that really now always works, and in most cases it turns out that it's about not working OpenStack actiosn | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | not Mistral itself | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | ddeja: yep | 16:34 |
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| rakhmerov | I know | 16:34 |
| d0ugal | ddeja: did it not work? :) | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | I clearly realize that's painful | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | you all know how these actions look like from implementation perspective | 16:35 |
| ddeja | d0ugal: yup. Took me sometime to make it work despite the fact that I had some OpenStack background | 16:35 |
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| rakhmerov | they are dynamically generated with using those mapping.json file that we have to support manually | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | and if some APIs change we have to react | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | so | 16:35 |
| rakhmerov | it would be really cool if we could test them automatically | 16:36 |
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| rakhmerov | at some gate | 16:36 |
| rakhmerov | may be at least not on every commit, I don't know | 16:36 |
| rakhmerov | because I can imagine how many tests that would be | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | or maybe we could create multiple gates, a gate per a service (e.g. for Nova) | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | or maybe we could take a representative subset of actions per service | 16:37 |
| d0ugal | They should probably be non-voting gates | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | (just brainstorming now actually) | 16:37 |
| ddeja | I guess the last one would be best | 16:37 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: I think so, yes | 16:38 |
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| rakhmerov | ddeja: yep, maybe | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | one more important thing here | 16:38 |
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| ddeja | Just write some workflows that would use core openstack-clients and test them | 16:38 |
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| rakhmerov | at some point we will move OpenStack actions to a separate subproject | 16:38 |
| rakhmerov | and I think it's ok if that subproject's gates will take long to complete | 16:39 |
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| rakhmerov | because it won't hard core Mistral development | 16:39 |
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| rakhmerov | ddeja: yes | 16:39 |
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| rakhmerov | d0ugal: btw, as far as workflow, do you mean some real-life workflows that use some OpenStack stuff? | 16:40 |
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| d0ugal | rakhmerov: Yup | 16:40 |
| rakhmerov | or you're mostly talking about workflow capabilities? | 16:40 |
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| rakhmerov | if latter, that's covered well in unit tests and we also planned to write a number of functional tests | 16:41 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: Real life workflows. We don't have a good approach to testing and validating them in TripleO | 16:41 |
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| rakhmerov | d0ugal: I see | 16:41 |
| d0ugal | It is a tricky problem :) | 16:41 |
| rakhmerov | I bet | 16:41 |
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| rakhmerov | well, the first thing that comes to my mind is standing up a production-like environment | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | but that is probably a hard thing to do | 16:42 |
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| d0ugal | rakhmerov: Yeah, we have that and it works quite well, but it will probably only ever cover the main path, lots of edge cases wont be tested | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | and run tests against it, but making sure we do a proper clean up after tests etc. | 16:42 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: right, I see what you're saying | 16:43 |
| rakhmerov | hm.. yeah | 16:43 |
| d0ugal | ... but I don't want to side track the meeting :) | 16:43 |
| d0ugal | it is just something I am thinking about | 16:43 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: that's fine | 16:43 |
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| rakhmerov | d0ugal: share your ideas pls if you get them | 16:43 |
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| rakhmerov | one fundamental problem I see here is that most workflows take long | 16:44 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: Will do. I'll find some time to write them to the list | 16:44 |
| d0ugal | Ideally I would really like a way to run a workflow with mocked services | 16:44 |
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| rakhmerov | so that if we decide to test all various paths it'll be no good ) | 16:45 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: hm... that is interesting | 16:45 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: I think it's actually a complex problem meaning that the ultimate goal is to have more confidence in workflows that we deal with and because of that it's not only automated tests but also other means that would help to have that confidence | 16:46 |
| rakhmerov | validation tools, graphical tools that provide some assistance when designing them | 16:47 |
| rakhmerov | etc. etc | 16:47 |
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| rakhmerov | more convenient ways to debug workflows and find errors | 16:47 |
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| rakhmerov | the last one is especially important | 16:47 |
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| d0ugal | +1 | 16:47 |
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| d0ugal | rakhmerov: I spoke with rbrady about some of this, so maybe we can chat again about it at the meeting next week. | 16:48 |
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| rakhmerov | absolutely | 16:48 |
| rakhmerov | yes, please guys share any ideas | 16:48 |
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| rakhmerov | I have a bunch of them in my head ) | 16:49 |
| d0ugal | haha, I'm sure :) | 16:49 |
| rakhmerov | just don't know how to find resources to help with all that | 16:49 |
| rakhmerov | but some of that is already in progress | 16:49 |
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| rakhmerov | it's kind of a mystery for you probably but hopefully we'll make an announcement relatively soon | 16:50 |
| d0ugal | Should we move onto open discussion? | 16:50 |
| d0ugal | I guess we already are :) | 16:50 |
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| rakhmerov | by "we" I mean Nokia | 16:50 |
| rakhmerov | ok, yes | 16:50 |
| d0ugal | oh, that sounds interesting | 16:50 |
| rakhmerov | #action rakhmerov: read Hardik's email about testing OS actions and share with the team | 16:51 |
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| rakhmerov | #topic Open Discussion | 16:51 |
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| rakhmerov | d0ugal: yeah :) I saw a little myself but once finished it will be a bomb! | 16:52 |
| rakhmerov | no kidding | 16:52 |
| rakhmerov | I'm not allowed to tell more though atm | 16:53 |
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| d0ugal | hah, so you just tease us :) | 16:53 |
| ddeja | I have one topic: Since alternative RPC layer is done (for better or worse) I would like to start working on tagging each message for processing type (at-least-once vs at-most-once). Are you guys OK with this? | 16:53 |
| rakhmerov | yes!! | 16:53 |
| rakhmerov | ddeja: yes, I'm ok | 16:53 |
| rakhmerov | just be ready to fix something in your patches | 16:54 |
| rakhmerov | if needed | 16:54 |
| ddeja | rakhmerov: yeah, sure | 16:54 |
| rakhmerov | I feel like I'm done for today, nothing else from my side | 16:55 |
| ddeja | I'm also done | 16:55 |
| * d0ugal is done | 16:56 | |
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| rakhmerov | mgershen, jpeeler? | 16:56 |
| jpeeler | all good here | 16:56 |
| rakhmerov | jpeeler: I hope you will still have your lunch :)) | 16:56 |
| rakhmerov | ok, guys | 16:56 |
| jpeeler | ha, i'm going to go do that now! | 16:56 |
| rakhmerov | thanks a lot for joining today | 16:56 |
| rakhmerov | you have a great time during the week ) | 16:57 |
| rakhmerov | bye | 16:57 |
| d0ugal | Thanks! | 16:57 |
| ddeja | bye | 16:57 |
| d0ugal | bte | 16:57 |
| d0ugal | bte! | 16:57 |
| d0ugal | bye! | 16:57 |
| * d0ugal is also done, he can't type | 16:57 | |
| rakhmerov | #endmeeting | 16:57 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 16:57 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 20 16:57:42 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:57 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2016/mistral.2016-06-20-16.01.html | 16:57 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2016/mistral.2016-06-20-16.01.txt | 16:57 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2016/mistral.2016-06-20-16.01.log.html | 16:57 |
| mgershen | bye! | 16:58 |
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| matjazp | #startmeeting training-guides | 17:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 20 17:01:44 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is matjazp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'training_guides' | 17:01 |
| matjazp | hi all | 17:01 |
| matjazp | roll call | 17:01 |
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| matjazp | anyone here for the team meeting? | 17:06 |
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| matjazp | #info meeting canceled, next meeting in 2 weeks, 20016/7/4 | 17:10 |
| matjazp | ups a typo | 17:10 |
| matjazp | #undo | 17:10 |
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| matjazp | #info meeting canceled, next meeting in 2 weeks, 2016/7/4 | 17:10 |
| matjazp | #endmeeting | 17:11 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 20 17:11:43 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:11 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2016/training_guides.2016-06-20-17.01.html | 17:11 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/training_guides/2016/training_guides.2016-06-20-17.01.txt | 17:11 |
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| piet_ | user committee meeting? | 18:00 |
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| emagana | Do we have quorum for UC meeting? | 19:06 |
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| emagana | #startmeeting uc | 19:07 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 20 19:07:33 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is emagana. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 19:07 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 19:07 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'uc' | 19:07 |
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| emagana | Starting this late but it seems that we do not have quorum. | 19:07 |
| emagana | In stand-by mode! | 19:08 |
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| emagana | Find a bit pointless to talk to myself! :-) | 19:12 |
| emagana | #action emagana send an email to all UC members and WG representatives to attend the meeting. | 19:13 |
| emagana | #endmeeting | 19:13 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 20 19:13:19 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 19:13 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/uc/2016/uc.2016-06-20-19.07.html | 19:13 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/uc/2016/uc.2016-06-20-19.07.txt | 19:13 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/uc/2016/uc.2016-06-20-19.07.log.html | 19:13 |
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| krotscheck | #startmeeting app_ecosystem_wg | 22:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jun 20 22:00:03 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krotscheck. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 22:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 22:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: app_ecosystem_wg)" | 22:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'app_ecosystem_wg' | 22:00 |
| krotscheck | Agenda: | 22:00 |
| krotscheck | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/2016_June_20_App_Ecosystem_Workgroup | 22:00 |
| krotscheck | Roll call, who's here? | 22:00 |
| craigs | Craig | 22:01 |
| krotscheck | Hey there, craigs! | 22:01 |
| craigs | Hi | 22:01 |
| krotscheck | docaedo is probably lurking... | 22:01 |
| Patifa | Patricia | 22:01 |
| krotscheck | Anyone know Sean, Caleb, and/or Marcela's IRC handles? | 22:02 |
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| krotscheck | Alright, let's get started. | 22:03 |
| krotscheck | #topic Logistics: iCal feed | 22:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Logistics: iCal feed (Meeting topic: app_ecosystem_wg)" | 22:03 | |
| krotscheck | First thing- when scheduling this meeting, I noticed that the iCal feed on eavesdrop.openstack.org says the IRC meeting is next week, not this one. | 22:03 |
| krotscheck | Since other teams use this to schedule their own meetings, and it could result in a conflict, we should probably fix this. Does anyone want to volunteer to submit a patch to the meetings project? | 22:04 |
| docaedo | hello! | 22:04 |
| krotscheck | Hi docaedo! | 22:04 |
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| Patifa | hi docaedo :D | 22:04 |
| docaedo | krotscheck: I can do that | 22:04 |
| krotscheck | Sweet! | 22:04 |
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| docaedo | krotscheck: good catch, I thought I had it set right w/r/t which weeks, but I'll switch it up | 22:05 |
| krotscheck | #action docaedo Fix our meeting iCal date. | 22:05 |
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| krotscheck | #topic Firstapp Progress: jclouds | 22:05 |
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| krotscheck | craigs: Anything to report? | 22:05 |
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| craigs | The getting started, introduction, scaling out and durability chapters are all covered. I still need to add instructions on how to get going with maven and add the block storage code. | 22:06 |
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| craigs | I being Martin Paulo | 22:06 |
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| JohnSimpson-Inte | #topic rollcall | 22:06 |
| * krotscheck peers at JohnSimpson-Inte | 22:06 | |
| krotscheck | craigs: Got it, does he report his progress through you, or will he be joining these meetings? | 22:07 |
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| craigs | I will ask if he can join, he has not attended in general and I am not sure why | 22:07 |
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| krotscheck | craigs: Alright- I'll mark that segment as Craig (obo Martin) for now | 22:07 |
| krotscheck | craigs: Do you know what is timeline is for getting the project completed? | 22:08 |
| krotscheck | *his | 22:08 |
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| * krotscheck waves at mbonell :) | 22:08 | |
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| craigs | No I do not have any date | 22:09 |
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| krotscheck | craigs: Alright, would you mind asking him for that? In the meantime we'll move on. | 22:09 |
| craigs | yep | 22:10 |
| krotscheck | #topic Firstapp progress: OpenStack.Net | 22:10 |
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| krotscheck | Anyone know if Carolyn has a representative here? | 22:10 |
| krotscheck | (or if she's around?)_ | 22:10 |
| craigs | She does not attend | 22:10 |
| krotscheck | Unfortunate. We'll mark that as no progress reported and then move on. | 22:11 |
| krotscheck | #topic Firstapp progress: shade | 22:11 |
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| Patifa | mbonell? | 22:12 |
| krotscheck | mbonell: I saw your updates to the etherpad. Anything in particular you'd like to highlight? | 22:12 |
| * krotscheck wonders if calebb is listening | 22:12 | |
| vhdiaz | marce? | 22:13 |
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| krotscheck | She might be behind a netsplit. | 22:13 |
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| notmars | Marcella need some notification activated when her nick is written :) | 22:14 |
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| krotscheck | Marcela ran tests on Caleb's most recent patch (today). She also submitted patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/331760/ which coveres the "make it durable" section | 22:14 |
| docaedo | (offtopic, but per my earlier action item, feel free to review: https://review.openstack.org/331863) | 22:14 |
| krotscheck | And, I believe, that completes the shade example. | 22:14 |
| krotscheck | So \o/ mbonell! | 22:15 |
| krotscheck | Moving on to fog... | 22:15 |
| krotscheck | #topic Firstapp progress: fog | 22:15 |
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| krotscheck | Anyone know if Sean's attending? | 22:16 |
| * krotscheck doesn't know what everyone's IRC handle is yet. | 22:16 | |
| krotscheck | Well, mbonell included an update for him: No news, no progress, but he's working on it. | 22:17 |
| craigs | update was sent today "Wish I had some news but no progress yet. It’s proving to be a hectic month for me!" | 22:17 |
| craigs | from Sean | 22:17 |
| vhdiaz | I don't recal seen Sean in the meeting | 22:17 |
| krotscheck | Works. | 22:17 |
| krotscheck | Next | 22:17 |
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| krotscheck | #topic Firstapp status: pkgcloud/openstack-lib | 22:17 |
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| krotscheck | That's mine! | 22:17 |
| krotscheck | The SDK still doesn't have any code, we're currently in heavy design discussions. | 22:18 |
| krotscheck | There are some design specs under review here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/331801/ and here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/331359/, as well as a few others under construction by vkramsikh that will all be discussed wednesday morning. | 22:18 |
| krotscheck | I'm hoping the first portion of FirstApp will land around august. This is mostly because I'll be on vvacation the first half of July | 22:19 |
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| vhdiaz | awesome! | 22:19 |
| krotscheck | If anyone would like to take on some of the work that we're discussing, that'd be great :D. | 22:20 |
| krotscheck | And that's it for me. | 22:20 |
| krotscheck | #topic Firstapp progress: Open Discussion | 22:20 |
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| krotscheck | Are there any firstapp -related things that anyone would like to bring up? | 22:20 |
| vhdiaz | nop | 22:21 |
| notmars | my own pet project is done for the getting started part | 22:21 |
| notmars | (objective-c / ios+watchos+tvos) | 22:21 |
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| krotscheck | notmars: Bruno? | 22:21 |
| notmars | me indeed :) | 22:21 |
| krotscheck | Ahah! | 22:21 |
| krotscheck | I was about to bring you up :) | 22:21 |
| notmars | I'm there | 22:22 |
| notmars | :) | 22:22 |
| krotscheck | notmars: Can you add a section to the agenda regarding the current status then so we can check in with you next week? | 22:22 |
| notmars | of course, working for devstack, Dreamhost, Internap and soon Datacentred (received the credentials today) | 22:22 |
| krotscheck | As an FYI to everyone else, Bruno's trying to figure out how to build an iOS sdk in a way that satisfies OpenStack's open source testing requirements. | 22:23 |
| notmars | and there s that part :) | 22:23 |
| krotscheck | notmars: As a suggestion (and hopefully not a derailment), it looks like Swift will run on linux. You may be able to make faster progress reimplementing in that. | 22:24 |
| notmars | which prove to be quite interesting, currently spawning a gcc objective c config file to see how/if I can do it | 22:24 |
| * krotscheck wishes notmars luck :) | 22:24 | |
| notmars | indeed | 22:24 |
| notmars | I'll check it when it's released | 22:24 |
| notmars | and running | 22:24 |
| krotscheck | Alright, moving on | 22:24 |
| notmars | :) | 22:24 |
| krotscheck | #topic App Hackathon | 22:25 |
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| notmars | we need to invoke Marcella I think | 22:25 |
| krotscheck | vhdiaz, Patifa: I think you two are the best to give an update on this, yes? | 22:25 |
| vhdiaz | yes | 22:25 |
| krotscheck | Since mbonell seems to have timed out. | 22:25 |
| vhdiaz | 2 things: Past Friday I talked to a ong: CodeandoMexico, these guys have government data samples, they want to participate .. That can connect us to the social elements we want to add to our hackathon | 22:26 |
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| krotscheck | oooh, neat! | 22:27 |
| vhdiaz | the other thing is that we received platinum sponsorship from Intel | 22:27 |
| krotscheck | \o/ | 22:27 |
| vhdiaz | We are working on the trainings | 22:27 |
| vhdiaz | This would also make for a great pre-training as the Shade SDK will work cross cloud and we could make a requirement be for the grand prize that it works on 2 or more clouds? | 22:28 |
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| vhdiaz | and We are still pending to secure more sponsors | 22:29 |
| notmars | vhdiaz: still loving the multi cloud idea :) | 22:29 |
| krotscheck | vhdiaz: I submitted the sponsorship request last week for HPE, no word yet on when the OSPO is having its next funding meeting. | 22:29 |
| vhdiaz | ;), it will be awesome to have HPE | 22:29 |
| krotscheck | vhdiaz: Sadly, the do not give me a discretionary budget :D | 22:30 |
| vhdiaz | we sent the prospectus to several telcos.. no answer yet | 22:30 |
| vhdiaz | We need to close on sponsors pretty soon | 22:30 |
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| krotscheck | notmars: ANy chance internap might be interested? | 22:30 |
| notmars | we already said yes :) | 22:30 |
| krotscheck | Oh good! | 22:30 |
| notmars | we're sending someone do the training there | 22:30 |
| notmars | in person | 22:30 |
| notmars | (pre-training sorry) | 22:31 |
| krotscheck | vhdiaz: You reached out to mordred directly for funding, yes? | 22:31 |
| krotscheck | And/or training? | 22:31 |
| vhdiaz | for Training | 22:32 |
| vhdiaz | I understand He said He is willing to come | 22:32 |
| vhdiaz | but I did not ask for funding | 22:33 |
| krotscheck | vhdiaz: Well, he's at RedHat now, you might be able to convince them :) | 22:33 |
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| krotscheck | Does anyone else have corporate connections that could help fund this? | 22:33 |
| vhdiaz | I talked to Maria from RH | 22:33 |
| reed | fund what? | 22:33 |
| * reed scrolls back | 22:33 | |
| vhdiaz | Let me go that way | 22:33 |
| reed | the next hackaton? | 22:34 |
| krotscheck | reed: The Guadalajara App Hackathon | 22:34 |
| krotscheck | vhdiaz: Good call | 22:34 |
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| krotscheck | Hey there, reed! Good to see ya! | 22:35 |
| reed | krotscheck, it's outside of my target, we'll have to pass... if we do one in US/Canada I would sponsor | 22:35 |
| reed | s/if/when | 22:35 |
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| krotscheck | That's unfortunate, but understandable for Dreamhost | 22:36 |
| krotscheck | vhdiaz: Anything else on the App hackthon? Your next meeting's wednesday, yes? | 22:36 |
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| vhdiaz | nop | 22:37 |
| vhdiaz | thanks | 22:37 |
| krotscheck | Alright, moving on. | 22:37 |
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| krotscheck | #topic Barcelona! | 22:37 |
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| krotscheck | On our call last week, i recall someone reaching out to flanders to ask what the actual logistics of the event were, plus what the foundation had planned for training. I don't recall who that was, can someoner efresh my memory? | 22:38 |
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| vhdiaz | me | 22:38 |
| vhdiaz | wip | 22:38 |
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| vhdiaz | no updates, I need to touch base with flanders | 22:38 |
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| krotscheck | vhdiaz: Alrightey. | 22:39 |
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| krotscheck | The conference track nominations are still open. Victor's nominated a few people, but is there anyone here who'd like to be nominated as one of the track chairs? | 22:39 |
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| krotscheck | Categories are available here: https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/categories/ | 22:40 |
| notmars | I'll submit a talk, so abstening on the track chairs :) | 22:40 |
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| krotscheck | mbonello's already been nominated as well. Patifa, any desire to help out? | 22:42 |
| * docaedo nominated himself since he enjoyed the process last summit | 22:42 | |
| Patifa | let me have a look. | 22:42 |
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| krotscheck | Excellent. Ping me and/or victor offline and we'll send up a nomination if you're interested. | 22:42 |
| krotscheck | #topic Hosted IRC Gateway (The Lounge) | 22:43 |
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| krotscheck | docaedo: How's that coming? | 22:43 |
| Patifa | ok | 22:43 |
| vhdiaz | : | 22:43 |
| vhdiaz | :O | 22:43 |
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| docaedo | regarding IRC, I brought it up last week during open comments of infra meeting | 22:43 |
| docaedo | got a few more people looking at the spec | 22:43 |
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| docaedo | planning to do the same tomorrow to see if there's a feeling on whether the spec needs much more before I can request a vote | 22:44 |
| docaedo | also, I have a version of "The Lounge" running on a VM and will gladly give out accounts to anyone interested. It wouldn't be a permanent offering but I could easily leave it up until there's an "official" one available | 22:45 |
| krotscheck | docaedo: How's reception been so far? | 22:45 |
| notmars | docaedo: I'd like one if you can | 22:45 |
| docaedo | Generally positive, and any resistance usually ends with "oh, yeah, this idea makes sense" | 22:45 |
| docaedo | notmars: cool - please email me (doc@aedo.net) and I'll get something back to you in the next day or two :) | 22:46 |
| docaedo | (same goes for anyone else) | 22:46 |
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| krotscheck | Alright, so we'll check in again next week to see how things are going. | 22:47 |
| docaedo | sounds good | 22:47 |
| krotscheck | #topic What is an OpenStack App / WG Charter | 22:47 |
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| docaedo | krotscheck: I think you were going to send me a link to "getting a local version of infra" for puppet manifest testing as well | 22:47 |
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| krotscheck | docaedo: Oh right, i need to write that post. | 22:48 |
| * krotscheck was just going to link https://krotscheck.net/2016/06/01/how-to-simulate-an-openstack-infra-slave.html, but it's a little specific. | 22:48 | |
| krotscheck | #action krotscheck Write howto simulate infra server for docaedo | 22:48 |
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| docaedo | krotscheck: thanks! | 22:48 |
| krotscheck | craigs, docaedo: So on the "What is an app" discussion, have you made any progress on that? | 22:49 |
| docaedo | from what I can see the conversation on the mailing list died out pretty quick | 22:50 |
| craigs | We had transferred that to you, you were going to write up a proposal of what App means to this WG | 22:50 |
| * krotscheck blnks | 22:50 | |
| craigs | Instead of trying to get everyone to try and agree on one definition | 22:50 |
| krotscheck | Right. My bad. Totally fell off my radar. | 22:50 |
| craigs | NP | 22:50 |
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| krotscheck | #action krotscheck Write 'what is an app' synopsis, propose to group. | 22:51 |
| krotscheck | Alright, that's it for that topic I believe. | 22:51 |
| * krotscheck feels sheepish | 22:51 | |
| krotscheck | #topic Open Discussion | 22:51 |
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| krotscheck | We have 9 minutes for open discussion, anyone want to bring something up? | 22:52 |
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| docaedo | for what it's worth, I thought this email asked some really good questions (relevant to what is an app) http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/user-committee/2016-May/000889.html | 22:52 |
| notmars | phpopencloud, are anybody in the team around ? | 22:52 |
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| notmars | do we know anybody working on that at Rackspace ? | 22:52 |
| * rockyg doesn't feel quite so bad now, forgetting to check AIs from IRC meetings | 22:53 | |
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| craigs | I could ask around | 22:54 |
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| notmars | craigs: I'd be interested to chat up with someone | 22:54 |
| * krotscheck left his PHP roots behind 10 years ago. | 22:55 | |
| * notmars too | 22:55 | |
| craigs | We know Jamie is not working on it anymore? | 22:55 |
| notmars | still, I think we shouldn't neglect it :) | 22:55 |
| krotscheck | craigs: The google doc says it needs a new owner. | 22:55 |
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| notmars | which is what I wanted to discuss :) | 22:56 |
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| krotscheck | Does that doc represent the status as of the summit, with "new owner" being post summit?" | 22:56 |
| notmars | i'd want to know if they're gonna support it or not... | 22:56 |
| craigs | I will have to dig through my emails, I assume I had heard from Jamie | 22:56 |
| notmars | craigs: I'll be interested to know | 22:57 |
| krotscheck | Last commit was 8 days ago, I'm going to assume they're supporting it. | 22:58 |
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| craigs | Yep just typing that | 22:58 |
| krotscheck | jamie may not be focused on the firstapp portion of it. | 22:58 |
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| krotscheck | Also, he's in berlin, and right now is a REALLY inconvenient time for him. | 22:58 |
| notmars | oh | 22:58 |
| notmars | we'll wait then :) | 22:59 |
| krotscheck | notmars: How about you reach out to him directly and ask? | 22:59 |
| notmars | I did | 22:59 |
| krotscheck | No answer? | 22:59 |
| krotscheck | (less than a minute left, about to close shop) | 22:59 |
| notmars | fresh from today | 22:59 |
| notmars | so no | 22:59 |
| krotscheck | Got it. Let's wait then. | 23:00 |
| krotscheck | Thanks everyone! | 23:00 |
| notmars | :) | 23:00 |
| krotscheck | #endmeeting | 23:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 23:00 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jun 20 23:00:09 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_ecosystem_wg/2016/app_ecosystem_wg.2016-06-20-22.00.html | 23:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_ecosystem_wg/2016/app_ecosystem_wg.2016-06-20-22.00.txt | 23:00 |
| notmars | tks | 23:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/app_ecosystem_wg/2016/app_ecosystem_wg.2016-06-20-22.00.log.html | 23:00 |
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