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oneswig#startmeeting scientific_wg09:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Jul  6 09:00:40 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is oneswig. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.09:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.09:00
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oneswig#link agenda for today (such as it is) https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Scientific_working_group#IRC_Meeting_July_6th_201609:01
oneswigHello ...09:01
oneswig#topic roll call09:01
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oneswigAnyone remember the new time?09:01
ptrlvYes, good morning. Peter here.09:02
priteauGood morning oneswig09:02
oneswigGreetings!09:02
oneswigI had a message from Blair, he's likely to be joining late09:03
davehgood morning, this is a much more civilised time for us UK people :)09:03
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oneswigGreat, more the merrier09:04
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james_Hi james@sanger09:04
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oneswigOK, lets get going09:05
oneswigI just messaged with bauzas and hopefully he'll be joining later to talk Blazar, let's defer discussion on that if we can09:06
oneswig#topic Bare metal09:07
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oneswigDo we have anyone else with an interest here (apart from me)?09:07
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davehinterested but no experience yet09:07
apdibbosame here09:08
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ptrlvthe previous minutes linked to a youtube vid09:08
daveh(other than using RH Director to deploy overclouds)09:08
priteauA lot of interest for Chameleon obviously09:08
ptrlvcan you summarise that vid quickly?09:08
dariovHello!09:08
priteauand experience as well09:08
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oneswigptrlv: can you remind me of the link... was it the chameleon talk?09:09
ptrlvyes09:09
oneswigdariov: hi, welcome09:09
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ptrlvhttp://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2016/scientific_wg.2016-06-28-21.01.html09:09
oneswigAh, right, Kate Keahey's talk from the summit09:10
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oneswigSome of the interesting follow-up from that talk I heard of was the issues with scheduling access (blazar) and issues with managing bare metal serial consoles.09:11
oneswigpriteau: do you know if there was any progress on serial consoles?  I still don't have them managed through Ironic on our deployment09:11
priteauoneswig: I saw a little activity on the Gerrit topics in the past two weeks, but not much. On our side we just shipped new features for Chameleon and will now get back to evaluate serial console09:12
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priteauI may have more information by the end of July, once we are able to test the patches proposed on Gerrit09:13
verdurinSorry I'm late - Central Line ate my homework09:13
oneswigpriteau: OK thanks I'll keep tracking that myself, would hope to have some more experience to report in about the same timeframe09:14
oneswigverdurin: hi!09:14
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oneswigWe've had some curious problems this week with bare metal and Dell kit that might be worth sharing09:15
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oneswigUsing RH director (ie TripleO), the Ironic python agent ramdisk was unable to cope with the long start time of the raid09:16
oneswigAlso have some projects underway to configure Dell BIOS and RAID config ... via Ansible...09:17
oneswigAlso came across a really excellent tool for identifying discrepancies in Ironic introspection data using a tool called cardiff09:18
verdurinoneswig: if you can share those, perhaps they can be generalized e.g. to Lenovo too?09:18
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priteauWe would love to learn more about your experience with BIOS config09:18
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oneswigverdurin: it's using the iDRAC interface, I suspect that's unique to Dell alas?09:18
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apdibbocould it be done using the redfish interfaces?09:19
priteauoneswig: Are you using the PXE DRAC Driver?09:19
ptrlvoneswig: still useful given we likely procure Dell stuff09:19
oneswigpriteau: share and enjoy!  Will keep you updated.  Yes we (sometimes) use pxe_drac but it's not solid09:19
verdurinSadly redfish support is embryonic at best for many vendors09:20
oneswigapdibbo: Is that the interface for OCP?  Sounds good to me.  I'm building the modules on Ironic's python-dracclient but they ought to be transferrable09:20
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priteauWhat's the current link to cardiff? I found this with Google, but the GitHub link is a 404: https://www.redhat.com/archives/rdo-list/2015-April/msg00188.html09:20
oneswigI think it's part of python-hardware09:20
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apdibbooneswigh: we are using the redfish interface to collect some info, it was initially from OCP but has been picked up pretty well by Dell and Supermicro09:21
oneswigthen it's hardware-cardiff09:21
oneswigapdibbo: thanks I'll look out for that, is it also possible to modify settings through redfish on those bioses?09:22
apdibbooneswig: I believe so09:22
oneswigapdibbo: Interesting, will check09:23
oneswigAOB for bare metal?09:23
priteau#link https://github.com/redhat-cip/hardware09:23
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oneswigOK lets roll on09:24
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oneswig#topic parallel filesystems09:24
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oneswigI don't have anything myself here.  We intend to connect our deployment to a new (external) lustre store later today.  The two have not met yet.09:25
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b1airoevening09:26
davehwe have not connected Openstack and Lustre yet either, concerns over security i.e. no multi-tenant in Lustre (same concerns as accessing NFS from instances)09:26
oneswigHi b1airo09:26
oneswig#chair b1airo09:26
openstackCurrent chairs: b1airo oneswig09:26
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b1airoreally need to get my irc bouncer setup again - missing the history09:27
b1airospeaking of HPFS by the sound of it?09:27
oneswigdaveh: Right.  Our policy is to put the filesystem on a provider network visible only to the project using it09:27
b1airooneswig, ours too09:27
davehso... each filesystem is used by a single project? we have shared filesystems which makes life... more interesting09:27
alogahi sorry for being late09:27
oneswigb1airo: yes, just covered bare metal and cooling down with hpfs :-)09:27
alogaon a colliding meeting09:28
oneswigdaveh: agreed - not my area alas09:28
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oneswigaloga: hi, thanks for coming09:28
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alogaFYI we are using GPFS09:28
alogawith some nasty and ugly workarounds09:28
oneswigaloga: In OpenStack?  Can you share the config?09:28
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ptrlvhas anyone got their hands dirty with AWS EFS announce recently?09:28
alogaoneswig: we're running sun grid engine worker nodes as OpenStak instances09:29
b1airothis is in Indigo aloga ?09:29
alogab1airo: nope09:29
alogab1airo: this is internally at out CSIC infrastructure09:29
dariovptrlv, planning to do so in the future09:29
oneswigptrlv: not on my radar unfortunately09:29
verdurinexperimentally we've tried a similar per-project provider network isolation approach with GPFS09:29
ptrlv#link https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/amazon-elastic-file-system-shared-file-storage-for-amazon-ec2/09:29
alogab1airo: we are a scientific datacenter: WLCG, astrophysics, bioinformatics, engineering, etc.09:29
dariovptrlv: hopefully by september I think09:30
alogab1airo: we have two different infrastructures, an HPC one and a HTC one09:30
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alogathe HTC one is running on top of OpenStack since long09:30
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alogawith access to our GPFS cluster09:30
oneswigaloga: Do the two infrastructures share a common gpfs filesystem?09:30
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alogaoneswig: no09:31
alogaoneswig: the HPC one goes over infiniband09:31
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oneswigaloga: is there a need to share datasets between them, if so how?09:31
alogaoneswig: no, they are separated, as they have different entry policies09:32
b1airoverdurin, you said experimentally - did it work out?09:32
oneswigb1airo: perhaps he's gone on the central line again? :-)09:34
oneswig(perhaps you missed that bit...)09:35
b1airooh, flakely connection?09:35
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b1airo"flakely"... what?09:35
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b1airo:-)09:35
oneswighomework excuse!09:35
b1airoso aloga, is your hpc using openstack too?09:36
* bauzas waves09:36
oneswigShall we move on?09:36
oneswigHi bauzas09:36
alogab1airo: nope09:36
oneswigthanks for joining09:36
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oneswig#topic accounting and scheduling09:36
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alogab1airo: although there are plans on the sight :)09:37
oneswigWe have had some interesting discussions recently09:37
oneswigand they have often included Blazar for resource reservation management09:37
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oneswigBlue sky stuff: Sometimes with how it might (in theory) be combined with preemtible instances (OPIE) to good effect09:38
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verdurinb1airo: it works in testing, we're reluctant to roll out more widely yet09:38
bauzasFWIW, Blazar would need a certain amount of effort for catching-up with the latest Nova API09:38
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b1airoaloga, sounds good - perhaps an announcement when the summit comes to you (though i guess you are in madrid?)09:39
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alogab1airo: actually 400km north :-P09:39
alogab1airo: Santander, over the sea09:39
oneswigpriteau: did you have any success with moving your patches upstream for blazar?09:40
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oneswigbauzas: how far out of date do you think it is?09:40
priteauoneswig: I haven't had the time to push any yet, but I am working on this now09:40
bauzasoneswig: so, there are 2 backends09:41
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bauzasoneswig: one is basically using aggregates, and those haven't really changed09:42
bauzasoneswig: that's the backend you use when you want to do a full host reservation09:42
bauzasoneswig: the problem is with the other backend, used for instance reservation09:42
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bauzasoneswig: it was using an old compute v2.0 extension mechanism that has been deprecated09:43
priteau(in Chameleon we use the first backend)09:43
oneswigpriteau: is this problem familiar to you and is it part of your changes?09:43
bauzasso, tbh, I see the functionality broken09:43
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bauzasoneswig: one way to solve the problem could be to deprecate that Blazar API resource, and only allow to reserve hosts09:44
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priteauoneswig: We are not using the instance reservation feature at all, and haven't made any fixes to it09:44
bauzasparticularly if the Chameleon project isn't really using ity09:44
oneswigbauzas: so for bare metal hosts we'd use the first backend only, and that's effectively partitioning off an entire nova compute node in the virtualised case?09:45
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priteaubauzas: Do you know if OPNFV is using or intending to use instance reservation?09:45
bauzasoneswig: I'd say reserving an host would make more sense from a baremetal PoV09:45
bauzaseven if the Ironic driver conceptualizes that differently09:46
bauzaspriteau: I haven't heard about OPNFV intending to use Blazar yet09:46
b1airoi think the instance reservation use-case would be the most popular generally09:46
b1airoi.e., for general purpose science clouds09:47
bauzasthat's a valid concern09:47
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b1airothere is often a need to provide some fraction of the resource as guaranteed capacity to projects doing time blocked things like training courses and so forth09:47
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bauzasI'm just expressing the point that I'm pretty sure it won't work with the latest Nova release :)09:48
oneswigbauzas: there was some discussion on the constraint that Blazar effectively manages its own partitioned group of nova computes.  I think I'm getting to understand the issue behind that now but is there a way around it so that we might be able to get higher utilisation?09:48
bauzasoneswig: well, the problem is that you're in a cloud, right?09:48
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b1airoat the moment we achieve this in NeCTAR by manually manipulating host aggregates, but that really sucks because it puts an admin in the critical path and means resources are usually held idle for a long time09:48
bauzasoneswig: so you can't really control which workloads will run in the future09:49
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b1airobauzas, yes understood re. api compatibility, thanks for raising that09:49
bauzasoneswig: that's why the host reservation backend used aggregates, to isolate a full group of hosts we could control09:49
bauzasthat said, the instance reservation backend was working totally differently09:50
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bauzaswithout really isolating groups of hosts09:50
oneswigbauzas: right, but it reminds me of other circumstances where a block of resource gets scheduled on demand, somehow we get there...09:50
bauzasthe instance reservation backend was basically spawning an instance, and then shelving it09:50
bauzasand then unshelving it on purpose (when the lease started)09:51
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b1airooh wow, and that worked?09:52
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oneswigbauzas: there's been some discussion previously on the possibility of alternatively preempting running instances according to some policy to make way for a resource reservation.  Any hope for that?09:53
b1airoseems like there must be some overlap between the scheduler mechanism opie is proposing for preemptible instances and what would be needed for reservations09:53
dariovbauzas: but that would lock all the resources even when the instance is shelved, right?09:53
bauzasb1airo: well, the problem with shelve offload is that nova frees up the resource usage09:53
bauzasb1airo: that's not a problem for Nova, but that's a problem for Blazar09:54
bauzasb1airo: that means that when you unshelve the instance, you would then reschedule the instance to another host09:54
bauzaswith no guarantee that you'll have enough capacity by this time09:54
bauzasdariov: resources are locked only when you shelve an instance, not when you shelve offload it09:55
bauzasdariov: you could say "easy, let's just shelve the instance without offloading it"09:56
b1airomay as well just suspend it then09:56
bauzasdariov: but then, the host would need to support the added capacity for the instance that is going to be used only in 1 month09:56
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dariovbauzas: yep, that was my concern09:57
bauzasdariov: suspend doesn't really differ from the active state, except that your VM is paused09:57
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b1airoi think we can agree shelving might have been a convenient hack, but it's not an adequate solution to this problem09:57
bauzasthat's why I'm particularly thinking that it's kinda necessary to allocate a certain amount of resources (hosts or whatever else) for Blazar09:58
alogayes, but even if you reserve those resources for blazar, they are going to be infrautilized09:58
bauzasbecause you need to control and guarantee that you'll be able to spawn the instances when the lease will start09:58
alogaas there will be periods when the hosts will be empty, right?09:58
bauzasaloga: I agree09:58
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oneswigUnfortunately we are out of time09:59
bauzasaloga: well, of course, that depends on your lease management system09:59
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b1airobauzas, for us i think if we could backfill those hosts with preemptible workload we'd be happy for a while, but ultimately i think both reservations and preemption are things we'd like to see built into nova scheduler09:59
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oneswigbauzas: any thoughts on that?09:59
dariovbauzas: that’s where preemptible instances come to the rescue09:59
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alogab1airo: +109:59
alogawe struggle to get our resources near 100% utilization10:00
bauzasb1airo: well, that's an open point that can't be solved by the time we have :)10:00
b1airointeresting food for thought, but doing anything with nova scheduler has seemed fraught for a few cycles at least10:00
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oneswigSorry all, we must release the channel - perhaps shelve the discussion...10:00
b1aironice one oneswig10:01
alogashelve offload or just shelve? :P10:01
oneswigThanks all!  Until next time10:01
oneswig#endmeeting10:01
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openstackMinutes:        http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2016/scientific_wg.2016-07-06-09.00.html10:01
b1airoi think it is still free after this actually, but yes, i need to eat10:01
openstackMinutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2016/scientific_wg.2016-07-06-09.00.txt10:01
openstackLog:            http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/scientific_wg/2016/scientific_wg.2016-07-06-09.00.log.html10:01
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b1airothanks very much all10:01
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alogathanks b1airo oneswig bauzas dariov et al.10:02
priteauthanks10:02
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davehoneswig: I'd be interested to talk to anyone at your end re Lustre/Openstack if they have hints/war stories... thanks10:03
b1airodaveh, we @Monash have some of those too10:03
b1airoand oneswig - we need to sync up pretty soon to organise that talk proposal10:03
oneswigdaveh: I can put you in touch10:03
oneswigb1airo: crikey, good point10:03
davehthanks both: dh3@sanger.ac.uk10:04
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b1airocertainly got some interest from others, shall i chuck some notes in a doc and share with you and Wojciech?10:04
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oneswigb1airo: yes please10:05
oneswigover and out10:06
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Guest_94845Allah is doing11:49
Guest_94845sun is not doing Allah is doing11:49
Guest_94845moon is not doing Allah is doing11:49
Guest_94845stars are not doing Allah is doing11:50
Guest_94845planets are not doing Allah is doing11:50
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Guest_94845galaxies are not doing Allah is doing11:50
Guest_94845oceans are not doing Allah is doing11:51
Guest_94845mountains are not doing Allah is doing11:51
Guest_94845trees are not doing Allah is doing11:51
Guest_94845mom is not doing Allah is doing11:51
Guest_94845dad is not doing Allah is doing11:51
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Guest_94845boss is not doing Allah is doing11:51
Guest_94845job is not doing Allah is doing11:52
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Guest_94845dollar is not doing Allah is doing11:52
Guest_94845degree is not doing Allah is doing11:52
Guest_94845medicine is not doing Allah is doing11:52
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Guest_94845customers are not doing Allah is doing11:52
Guest_94845you can not get a job without the permission of allah11:52
Guest_94845you can not get married without the permission of allah11:53
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Guest_94845nobody can get angry at you without the permission of allah11:53
Guest_94845light is not doing Allah is doing11:53
Guest_94845fan is not doing Allah is doing11:53
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Guest_94845businessess are not doing Allah is doing11:54
Guest_94845america is not doing Allah is doing11:54
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Guest_94845fire can not burn without the permission of allah11:54
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Guest_94845knife can not cut without the permission of allah11:55
Guest_94845rulers are not doing Allah is doing11:55
Guest_94845governments are not doing Allah is doing11:55
Guest_94845sleep is not doing Allah is doing11:56
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Guest_94845hunger is not doing Allah is doing11:56
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Guest_94845food does not take away the hunger Allah takes away the hunger11:56
Guest_94845water does not take away the thirst Allah takes away the thirst11:56
Guest_94845seeing is not doing Allah is doing11:57
Guest_94845hearing is not doing Allah is doing11:57
Guest_94845seasons are not doing Allah is doing11:57
Guest_94845weather is not doing Allah is doing11:57
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Guest_94845humans are not doing Allah is doing11:58
Guest_94845animals are not doing Allah is doing11:58
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Guest_94845the best amongst you are those who learn and teach quran11:58
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Guest_94845one letter read from book of Allah amounts to one good deed and Allah multiplies one good deed ten times11:59
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prometheanfireo/12:00
Guest_94845hearts get rusted as does iron with water to remove rust from heart recitation of Quran and rememberance of death12:00
Guest_94845heart is likened to a mirror12:01
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Guest_94845when a person commits one sin a black dot sustains the heart12:02
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Guest_94845to accept Islam say that i bear witness that there is no deity worthy of worship except Allah and Muhammad peace be upon him is his slave and messenger12:04
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Guest_94845read book http://www.fazaileamaal.com12:05
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Guest_94845read book http://www.muntakhabahadith.com12:05
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Guest_94845need spiritual teacher visit http://www.alhaadi.org.za12:06
Guest_94845allah created the sky without any pillars12:06
Guest_94845allah makes the sun rise from the east and Allah makes the sun set in the west12:07
Guest_94845allah makes the day into the night and Allah makes the night into the day12:08
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Guest_94845allah gives life and Allah gives death12:08
Guest_94845all creation are useless,worthless,hopeless12:09
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Guest_94845can not do12:10
Guest_94845can not benefit12:10
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Guest_94845can not harm12:10
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Guest_94845allah is the doer of each and everything12:11
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Guest_94845when Allah wants us to stand we stand12:11
Guest_94845when Allah wants us to sit we sit12:11
Guest_94845i am not doing Allah is doing12:11
Guest_94845you are not doing Allah is doing12:11
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Guest_94845atom bomb is not doing Allah is doing12:12
Guest_94845rice is not doing Allah is doing12:12
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Guest_94845all creation get together can not create one grain of rice12:12
Guest_94845all humans get together can not stop rain12:13
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Guest_94845all humans get together can not make anybody hungry12:13
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Guest_94845all humans get together can not move sun one second up or down12:14
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Guest_94845we can not count the hair on our head12:14
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Guest_94845we can not count the rain drops12:15
Guest_94845we can not count the particles of sand12:16
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Guest_94845medicine has no power to cure12:16
Guest_94845two people take same medicine one passes away and one does not12:17
Guest_94845degree has no power to give job12:17
Guest_94845many people have degrees but do not have jobs12:17
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Guest_94845sustenance does not depend on effort12:18
Guest_94845one person is working is working very much but is earning very less12:18
Guest_94845other person is working very less but is earning very much12:19
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joehuanghello13:01
Yipei_hi13:01
huangdongfenghi13:01
zhiyuanhi13:02
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joehuang#startmeeting tricircle13:02
openstackMeeting started Wed Jul  6 13:02:17 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is joehuang. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.13:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.13:02
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'tricircle'13:02
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joehuang#topic rollcall13:02
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joehuang#info joehuang13:03
zhiyuan#info zhiyuan13:03
Yipei_#info Yipei13:03
huangdongfeng#info dongfeng13:03
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joehuanghello Nova api 2.0 will be deprecated soon13:04
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joehuangso tricircle needs to call Nova 2.1 api too13:04
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joehuanghello, could you see the pacth in tricircle "bump to Nova 2.1"?13:06
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Yipei_yes, i saw it13:06
joehuangonly a little update is needed for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/324226/13:06
Administrator_hello13:07
Administrator_:)13:07
joehuangAdministrator_, who are you?13:07
zhiyuancould you change your nick name?13:08
joehuangyou can use /NICK to change to your name13:08
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zhiyuanshall we update the patch for zhengzhenyu, or send him a mail?13:08
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ronghui01hello13:09
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joehuanghello, my network connection was broken for a while13:12
joehuangI contacted zhengyu, he is very busy, would someone update the commit message, then the patch could be merged soon13:12
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ronghui01i can try it13:14
joehuanghello, can you see my message, I am afraid offline again13:14
joehuanggood!13:14
joehuanghi, Ronghui13:14
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ronghui01i will update the commit message which from zhiyuan's suggest in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/324226/13:16
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joehuanggood, thank you ronghui.13:17
ronghui01that's ok:)13:17
joehuang#action bump to Nova 2.1 in Tricircle13:17
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joehuangthere are some bugs reported in launch pad : https://bugs.launchpad.net/tricircle13:17
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Yipei_i take one, but still learn to how to fix it13:18
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zhiyuanok, so you can assign the bug to you13:19
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Yipei_yes, i did. in #1562441, we need to use different ipv4 addresses belong to all kinds of addresses, respectively?13:23
zhiyuanhi joe, maybe you can try irssi in our server13:23
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joehuangmy link was broken again13:24
joehuangto Zhiyuan, I remember this bug " #1566184"  has been fixed in your patch?13:24
longxiongqiuhi13:24
joehuanghi xiongqiu13:24
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zhiyuanno, my patch has not changed the static bridige network CIDR yet13:25
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joehuanghello, this bug is "when getting client for top region, 'top' should be replaced with a constant"13:26
joehuangok13:26
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zhiyuanyes, i think that's another bug.13:27
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zhiyuan1562441 is about the static CIDR13:28
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joehuangI think dongfeng can start from fixing some bugs which is easy to work on13:28
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huangdongfengoh, I am beginning to learn the devstack and tricircle. but i can try with the help of Yipei.13:30
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joehuanggood, how about the issue you shared in the mail-list13:30
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huangdongfengzhiyuan helped me fix it.13:31
zhiyuanoh yes, you can submit a patch to modify the configuration sample13:31
joehuanggood, you can submit a patch and fix it in the trunk13:31
huangdongfengok, i can't log onto the openstack today, i will do as soon.13:32
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joehuang#action fix the local.conf.sample13:33
joehuangthere is one interesting patch in Neutron which will be helpful for L2 networking across OpenStack13:33
joehuanghttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/282180/13:34
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joehuangAdd Unicast Flooding Vteps to Provider Network13:34
joehuangThis patch will be very helpful if the L2 network only needs to across very limited OpenStack instances13:35
joehuangfor it uses flooding for BUM13:35
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joehuangwe can add this patch into watch list, and update cross pod l2 networking if needed13:37
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zhiyuanwith this patch, host in OpenStack can directly connect to l2 gateway in the other OpenStack via VxLAN tunnel. in our previous solution, host needs to first connect to local l2 gateway, then to remote l2 gateway13:38
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joehuangyes, it provides the possibility to extend L2 network to remote site13:39
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joehuangthe only issue is that if there are a list of remote VTEP, then a multicast will happen, if the local can learn which remote VTEP reponds, and send later patcket to this vtep only13:40
joehuangthen it will work in list of VTEPs13:41
joehuangother wise, I am afraid that the packets will be replicated to multiple destination, and always, this is unecessary13:42
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joehuanglet's keep watching on this patch.13:43
zhiyuanit depends on how the patch is implemented13:43
zhiyuanyes13:43
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joehuangagree13:43
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zhiyuan_it seems that joe lost connection again13:55
zhiyuan_he asks me to end the meeting today13:55
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joehuang#endmeeting13:55
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vkramskikh#startmeeting javascript14:00
vkramskikhhmm, doesn't seem to work :(14:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Jul  6 14:00:22 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is vkramskikh. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.14:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.14:00
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vkramskikhoh it does14:00
vkramskikhhi everyone14:00
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vkramskikhwho's there?14:00
azemlyanovhello there14:00
vkramskikh#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/javascript-meeting-2016-07-0614:00
cardeoisHello14:00
jaranovichhi!14:01
vkramskikhhere is the agenda for this meeting14:01
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jprivardhello14:01
vkramskikhnot so many things to discuss, so feel free to add your items14:01
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vkramskikh#topic ES2015 & Build approach14:01
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larainemahello14:02
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vkramskikhI've created a spec for transpiler integration and build/testing approaches14:02
vkramskikh#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/332458/14:02
vkramskikhfeel free to review14:02
vkramskikhI've used modules/technologies that we agreed to use on the last meeting14:02
betherlyo/14:02
cardeoisyep sounds good14:02
vkramskikhjasmine, karma, babel14:02
cardeoishowever I did a checkout of this review14:03
vkramskikhthe only thing which we didn't discuss is the tool which builds browser version of the library14:03
cardeoisand npm install takes around 480MB14:03
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cardeoisI mean node_modules, is that acceptable? and are you reproducing this?14:03
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vkramskikhthe most popular modules for this are Browserify and Webpack14:04
vkramskikhI've chosen Webpack since I have experience with it14:04
cardeoisAs for the browser version I think webpack is the best choice right now14:04
azemlyanovwhat's the builder? webpack?14:04
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cardeoisI have experience with Browserify and if I'm not mistaking they say on their repo to use webpack now14:04
azemlyanovbrowserify is much simpler tool14:04
cardeoisIt's more modular14:04
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vkramskikhcardeois: what did you install to get 480MB of node_modules?14:05
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azemlyanovtranspiler is heavy, it's dev deps, not prod deps14:05
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vkramskikhjust checked Fuel's node_modules - it uses babel, webpack and lots of other stuff - it takes 175MB14:06
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cardeoisvkramskikh sorry I'm wrong I did checkout this review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/334268/and did `npm install`14:06
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vkramskikhBabel is heavy, yes14:06
vkramskikhbut since 6.8 it takes less space14:06
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vkramskikhbecause before 6.8 it has dependency on Babel 5 to compile itself14:06
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vkramskikhcardeois: interesting, I'll check it14:07
vkramskikhBTW, are you using NPM3?14:07
cardeoisBut it uses babel 6.1014:07
cardeoisno but if I use npm3, it's smaller yes14:07
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vkramskikhNPM3 has dedupe functionality enabled by default, which results in much smaller node_modules14:08
vkramskikhso, does anyone has any objections against using webpack?14:08
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cardeoisyeah however is that a problem to force using npm3 or something?14:08
vkramskikhI'll wait for 1 minute14:08
cardeoisnope webpack is good for me14:08
azemlyanovno real competitors to webpack now14:08
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jaranovich+1 for webpack14:09
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vkramskikhcardeois: don't think so, and AFAIR Ubuntu Xenial has NPM314:09
vkramskikh#agreed Use Webpack for creating browser version of js-openstack-lib14:10
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vkramskikhI'll try to create some PoC by the next week with karma/jasmine/webpack/babel14:11
vkramskikh#topic Open Discussion14:11
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vkramskikhso, does anyone have any more topics to discuss?14:11
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azemlyanovwhat's the status of fetch?14:11
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vkramskikhit's ready for reviewing :)14:12
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cardeoisBut isn't it already done in this review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/334268/ ? (the PoC)14:12
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vkramskikhcardeois: I didn't review it yet, will take a look14:13
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cardeoisyeah it contains webpack/jasmine/karma/babel all you want14:13
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vkramskikhawesome, maybe I'll take it over and resolve your comments since krot_vaca_jul19 is on vacation :)14:14
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cardeoisok14:14
cardeoisFor open discussion, I have some questions, I could ask them in openstack-javascript but as everybody's there14:14
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cardeoisI started with jprivard to understand how to setup a devstack gate14:14
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cardeoisfirst item will be to add a functionnality (or integration) test in js-openstack-lib that our gate job will call, does that make sense?14:15
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vkramskikhI think yes14:16
cardeoisAs no test setup is done yet should I depend on an existing review? (Sorry but I'm very new to all this opensource process)14:16
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vkramskikhcardeois: it seems the only option14:16
cardeoisok cool14:16
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cardeoisAlso, a lot of python projects are using tempest to run the tests, We are using javascript though, so I guess we don't want to integrate with tempest?14:17
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vkramskikhI have no idea. we wanted to be a pure JS repo, though we already use sphinx for docs which is a python library14:18
cardeoisok I'll try to find out by myself then, thanks anyway14:19
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vkramskikhI saw on the previous meeting there was a discussion about adopting Node6. Could anyone remind me why we need it?14:20
vkramskikhto get rid of transpiler for node version of the library?14:20
vkramskikhor just because it will have LTS status by October?14:20
cardeoisMaybe yes, but node6 even if it will be LTS is not LTS yet14:21
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cardeoisAnd we need to support previous LTS node4. But yeahh the goal was to get all new functionnalities from node614:21
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vkramskikhif it's about ES2016 features, it appears to be not really necessary as Babel covers most of the cases14:22
vkramskikhexcept some rarely used features like Proxies - they're just not polyfillable14:23
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larainemai have talked with krostcheck, he wanted the new features from node6, but we also need to support previous node414:23
cardeoisok14:23
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msmolsorry for being late14:24
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vkramskikhmsmol: we don't have many topics to discuss today, so it's time for open discussion14:24
cardeoisyeah so we can get a compromise: Use node6 features that babel can transpile14:25
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vkramskikhdoes anyone else have anything to discuss? if no, I'll close the meeting in 1 minute14:27
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msmolnothing on my end14:28
cardeoisI have a last question for open discussion. We are starting to support cloud.yaml format (as JSON) so we can initiate communications with openstack. However, if we use our lib in server side and we want to keep the token, shouldn't we support a way to load our lib from a auth-token or something? My point being if a client has a server with sessions using our lib, how to we keep14:28
cardeoisthe connection?14:28
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cardeoismaybe it's a bad use of our lib I don't know, but in the apps at my job, we often store the catalog and token in session, so new request calls from browsers can reuse the token14:30
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azemlyanovI think lib and http server are different things14:30
vkramskikhcardeois: you want to initialize the library using existing token instead of username/password?14:30
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azemlyanovI think both are ok14:31
cardeoisas an alternative yes14:31
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vkramskikhi think we should support it14:31
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cardeoisyeah otherwise people using our lib in an http server will find our lib not that useful, or will hack it to find their way14:32
cardeoisThat's what we did a long time ago with python-novaclient14:32
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vkramskikhour dummy sample keystone client already supports initialization with both token and username/password14:32
vkramskikhhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/332461/1/src/identity/index.js@3714:32
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cardeoisoh alright, didn't see that14:32
azemlyanovI think http servers are in python and nobody happy with node http servers14:33
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vkramskikhok, if we still have anything to discuss, let's do it in #openstack-javascript14:35
vkramskikhbye!14:35
vkramskikh#endmeeting14:35
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SotKAnyone around for storyboard?15:04
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anteayaI am here15:04
SotK#startmeeting storyboard15:04
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openstackMeeting started Wed Jul  6 15:04:30 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is SotK. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:04
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:04
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SotKApologies if I disappear at any point, my internet is misbehaving today15:04
* anteaya nods15:04
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SotK#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/StoryBoard Agenda15:05
SotKI don't think there is anything urgent or announcement-like15:05
anteayaI can't think of anything15:05
SotK#topic In Progress Work15:06
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SotKI sent a patch to make editing and deleting comments configurable and disabled by default15:06
anteayathank you15:06
SotK#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/338165/15:06
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anteayafungi: ^^ if you could be so kind as to add that to your review queue15:07
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SotKI also updated the webclient patch which adds a UI for editing to cause it to be disabled by default too15:07
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SotK#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/333418/15:08
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ttxo/15:08
anteayaI guess in the api docs, I can just say these features are disabled by default: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/338165/3/storyboard/api/v1/timeline.py15:09
anteayaand skip the examples for the docs15:09
anteayawelcome ttx15:09
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* SotK is happy with that15:10
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SotKhi ttx15:10
anteayaokay great, thank you15:10
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anteayaI'll add that to my current timeline api docs patch after the meeting15:10
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SotKI hope to update my "complex priorities" patch after the meeting at last15:11
anteayawhat is the description of complex priorities?15:11
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SotK#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312666/15:11
anteayasorry I haven't been following that feature15:11
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anteayaI guess the complex priorities feature would be of interest to folks who do realeases and such15:13
anteayattx does the above patch suit your needs?15:13
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anteayaor the rationale for the change at the very least?15:13
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SotKthat patch is intended to provide a way to see in the story view if (and how) relevant things in that story are to people who's priorities you care about15:15
anteayaoh I missed this adds something to the story view15:15
anteayaI have been enjoying how uncluttered the story view has been personally15:15
anteayaand if I wanted clutter, I could look at worklists or boards15:16
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* SotK can't see how else such a thing can be achieved, without hiding priority behind a button click15:17
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anteayaI'm wondering what would happen if it could be seen in the subscription view15:17
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anteayathen if I am subscribed to a story I might get a window or pop up or expansion box with this information15:18
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SotKhm, but then you'd have to subscribe to a story in order to see its effective priority15:18
anteayayes15:18
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anteayabut isn't that the point?15:18
ttxlooking15:18
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anteayaif I want to see how important this story is to other people, shouldn't I say I want that by subscribing to the story?15:19
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SotKno, you subscribe to other people's worklists (their expression of priority/importance)15:19
SotKessentially saying "tell me if I'm looking at something $person cares about"15:20
anteayaoh so if I don't subscribe to other people's worklists I don't have to see this?15:20
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anteayaI thought that was the point of the worklist?15:20
anteayaif I subscribe to someone else's work list then I can see what is on the worklist and the priority given to it in the worklist15:21
anteayacan I not?15:21
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anteayaand I'm emailed of changes to that worklist, am I not?15:21
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ttxstruggling to see the change in draft (400: GET https://storyboard-dev.openstack.org/api/v1/worklists: Unknown argument: "subscriber_id")15:22
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SotKah yeah, it depends on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/335458/ now15:23
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ttxanteaya: basically this is saying that there is no single "priority" valid for everyone. We can use custom lists to express that15:23
ttxand sort them to express local priority15:23
anteayattx: is this helpful for you?15:24
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ttxanteaya: that was one of the design ideas around original StoryBoard. I wouldn't consider it a must-have personally, but it's hard to change down the line.15:24
anteayattx if you want this then that's fine15:24
anteayaI do note it will be difficult to share what you are looking at with others via a url, since you view is customized to you15:25
anteayaor I believe it will15:25
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anteayanecessitating the need for screenshots to share what you are looking at if you question it15:25
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anteayabut if that would help the release team, then okay15:26
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ttxanteaya: like I said, that was part of the original design ideas. Since then I'm not the primary customer though15:26
ttxso we may discover that most project teams are in love with flat priority15:27
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anteayaoh15:27
ttxand would rather keep that one displayed as well15:27
anteayaI haven't been soliciting opinions until after the api docs have examples15:27
ttxI still think it's sound design... but not 100% sure that helps in the "must-have before OpenStack migration" front15:27
anteayasince that is our biggest stumbling point via adoption for folks who use the api15:28
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anteayayeah I don't know how to collect thoughts on this15:28
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anteayaas I am concerned finding a microcosim to discuss won't get any further than the api docs need expanding15:29
anteayahence my priority to expand the api docs and _then_ collect opinions15:29
anteayaso I don't know what to say here15:29
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SotKit'll be easier to bring back flat priorities if people can't work without them, than to change to this model in future I believe15:30
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anteayaSotK: well as long as you are open to the idea that this feature may be requested to be reverted in future15:31
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anteayauntil I can get the api docs finished so they are usable and get some feedback from folks, I simply don't know15:31
anteayaon that note I am hoping to get 80% of the api doc examples in place by the end of the week15:32
anteayathere are some commands I can't run as I am not admin, I'm grateful for admin help on those patches so I can include the correct commands15:33
anteayaand thank you for reviews15:33
anteayahttps://review.openstack.org/#/q/topic:expand-api-docs15:33
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* SotK will look at the project commands today too15:34
anteayathanks so much15:34
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anteayaI'll respin the tasks patch after the meeting15:34
SotKthanks :)15:35
anteaya:)15:35
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SotKI think that's all the in progress stuff I'm sure of the status of15:36
SotK#topic Open Discussion15:36
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anteayathat's all I had15:36
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anteayafrom what little feedback I have been hearing I think folks that have been looking at storyboard recently are really happy15:36
anteayaI think the gerrit integration really helps a lot, I think zaro is still away15:37
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SotKthat is good news :)15:37
anteayaI'll talk to him once he returns and see where we are, it is possible that a puppet run overwrote his manual configuration of the plugin on review-dev15:37
anteayathanks, yes I am encouraged15:38
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anteayaso right now gerrit integration on dev server might not be working, I haven't tested it myself though15:38
anteayathat's all I have for open discussion15:39
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SotKhopefully when zaro returns we can get the puppetry for it merged15:40
anteayathat also would be awesome15:40
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SotKanyone got anything else?15:45
anteayaI have nothing else15:45
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SotKI shall end the meeting then, thanks for coming folks!15:47
SotK#endmeeting15:47
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smcginnis#startmeeting Cinder16:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Jul  6 16:00:07 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'cinder'16:00
smcginnisping dulek duncant eharney geguileo winston-d e0ne jungleboyj jgriffith thingee smcginnis hemna xyang tbarron scottda erlon rhedlind jbernard _alastor_ vincent_hou kmartin patrickeast sheel dongwenjuan JaniceLee cFouts Thelo vivekd adrianofr mtanino yuriy_n17 karlamrhein diablo_rojo jay.xu jgregor baumann rajinir wilson-l reduxio wanghao thrawn01 chris_morrell16:00
SwansonHello16:00
jungleboyjHello.16:00
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geguileoHi! o/16:00
adrianofrhey16:00
smcginnisJust in case...16:00
thrawn01o/16:00
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smcginnis#chair jungleboyj16:00
openstackCurrent chairs: jungleboyj smcginnis16:00
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smcginnis#chair xyang116:00
rdxnoamקךךם16:00
rdxnoamhello16:00
openstackCurrent chairs: jungleboyj smcginnis xyang116:00
tbarronhi16:00
jungleboyjsmcginnis: What does that mean?16:01
savihouHello16:01
xyang1smcginnis: why so many chairs?:)16:01
jseilerhi16:01
thingeeo/16:01
SwansonToo many cooks.16:01
smcginnisjungleboyj, xyang1: In case my internet connection goes out, just wanted to add someone else to be able to at least stop the meeting. :)16:01
xyang1ok:)16:01
erlonhi16:01
smcginnis#topic Announcements16:02
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jungleboyjsmcginnis: Gotcha.16:02
smcginnisSame stuff. Please take a look at the review focus etherpad.16:02
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smcginnisI've checked on the new drivers and divided them between the ones with CI reporting and the ones without.16:02
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smcginnisReally kind of a surprising number of them in total.16:02
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smcginnis#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-spec-review-tracking Review tracking16:03
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smcginnis#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-spec-review-tracking Midcycle planning16:03
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smcginnisPlease add topics to the midcycle planning etherpad.16:03
smcginnis#undo16:04
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smcginnis#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-cinder-midcycle Midcycle planning16:04
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smcginniscorrect one :) ^^16:04
smcginnisOK, that's all I have for announcements.16:04
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rdxnoamsmcginnis: Hi, I don't see my company (reduxio) in your list - though we've commited a patch (driver) and are in the process of setting up the CI16:04
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smcginnisrdxnoam: OK, I must have missed that. Please add a link to the driver list.16:05
smcginnis#topic Config categorization16:05
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smcginnis#link http://paste.openstack.org/show/520980 Proposal16:05
smcginnisthrawn01: Hi16:05
thrawn01o/16:05
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smcginnisthrawn01: So this is something nova has done?16:06
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smcginnisOr rather, is doing.16:06
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thrawn01yes, part of this is in progress16:06
thingeelink to previous review or something?16:06
smcginnis#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/295543/9/specs/categorized-configuration-options.rst Nova spec16:07
thrawn01some of it is still waiting on oslo patches16:07
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eharneyi suspect this is problematic until we also sort out the handling of [DEFAULT] vs backend sections issues we've been discussing recently16:07
thingeesmcginnis, thrawn01 is there actually code progress review link within nova?16:07
thingeeactual*16:07
thingeebesides the spec16:08
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thingeeeharney: +116:08
thrawn01there are several moving parts to this spec16:08
jungleboyjeharney: +1 ...16:08
smcginnisthrawn01: So it would be changes in oslo_config that would then require changes in each project?16:08
geguileoeharney: +116:08
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thingeesmcginnis, thrawn01 is there actually code progress review link within nova?16:08
jungleboyjCan we figure out what we want to do there with this in mind and then tackle this?16:08
xyang1eharney: seems overlapping with patrickeast's work16:08
geguileoThe reorder of the sample file is a feature that should be added to oslo16:09
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jungleboyjI think our config options need a lot of care and feeding.  Going to need to do it little by little though.16:09
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smcginnisjungleboyj: +116:09
jungleboyjgeguileo: +116:09
diablo_rojojungleboyj: +116:09
thrawn01thingee: I'm looking for the centralize config patch, which I think is already merged, but I'mn not great at finding this stuff16:09
diablo_rojogeguileo: +116:09
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dulekthrawn01: Is that one of the patches centralizing configs: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/258984/ ?16:09
thingeethrawn01: ok, if you're familiar with the code, maybe git blame would help16:10
thingeejust a sha or something to look at previous work would be great16:10
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thrawn01lol, I don't have the nova code checked out =(16:10
thingeedulek: looks like a piece of it. thanks16:11
dulekSo IMO that's cool refactoring, but not a number one priority.16:11
thingeesomeone mentioned patrickeast is doing something similar?16:11
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smcginnisthrawn01: I think some of this looks interesting. I would want to wait until the oslo changes.16:12
dulekDefinitely we can benefit in looking through configuration options to see if we haven't any that don't make sense anymore.16:12
thingeexyang1: ^?16:12
dulekOption descriptions also need some care.16:12
xyang1thingee: patrickeast is doing something with default group16:12
smcginnisdulek: All good points.16:12
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diablo_rojodulek: +116:12
xyang1patrickeast: around?16:12
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geguileothingee: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/330767/16:12
jungleboyjsmcginnis: ++16:12
thingeegeguileo: thank you thank you16:12
jungleboyjGood for the Oslo work to get in first.16:13
dulek"Adopt Option Groups IE: 'common', 'driver', 'volume', 'solidfire'" - that's probably related to eharney's deprecation of not using enabled_backends.16:13
rdxnoamsmcginnis: Added the reduxio driver to the list as you requested. I have some questions on the process of final approval. Please ping me when you're ready as i don't want to interrupt the meeting flow16:13
thrawn01dulek: I think it's very similar, I don't really see option groups as a priority, just wanted some dissucsion around it16:13
smcginnisrdxnoam: Sure, will follow up later.16:13
thingeeso glancing at the two different proposals it seems like patrickeast's is more focused on shared configs between backends16:14
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winston-dthrawn01: I found this particular interesting and seems useful from deployer point of view: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo.config/+spec/option-interdependencies16:14
smcginnisthrawn01: Thanks for bringing it up. It helps that we are aware of the effort.16:14
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smcginniswinston-d: Oh, good one. I hadn't seen that.16:14
thingeexyang1: not sure if they actually conflict.16:14
jungleboyjthrawn01: Thanks for making us aware.  :-)  Good to be able to plan ahead.16:15
thingeexyang1: thrawn01's proposal seems to be share configs with respect to projects16:15
thingeeam I understanding that right thrawn01 ?16:15
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thrawn01not really *sharing* config options, mostly the organization of said options.16:15
xyang1thingee: sure, I am just saying they are related16:16
winston-dsmcginnis: unfortunately, that blueprint is marked as obsolete 'Obsolete: We just use "related options:" in the normal help text'16:16
thingeexyang1: got it16:16
thrawn01the goal being, better orginzation and descriptions of options, and presentation of options to end users16:16
smcginniswinston-d: Yeah, noticed that after reading through.16:16
thingeeyeah I'm board. agree with the dependencies on the oslo side maybe cuttin' it close16:16
smcginnisthrawn01: I like that as the end goal.16:16
thingeeI'm on board*16:16
smcginnisthingee: And bored? :P16:17
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thrawn01lol16:17
thingeeespecially if there's no code yet on the cinder side produced to depend on the oslo stuff16:17
smcginnisthrawn01: Cool, anything else on this for now?16:17
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winston-dI'm on board as well, but 'better orginzation and descriptions' is very high level goal and I'm wondering how we can technically achieve that16:18
jungleboyjI think tackling the backend vs default issues is the higher priority right now.16:18
thrawn01maybe a priority of what I should focus on, out of the changes I was proposing.16:18
smcginnisjungleboyj: Agree16:18
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winston-dinstead of depending on developers to be good with docs.16:18
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smcginniswinston-d: We know that's never going to happen. :)16:18
thrawn01I'm refering to these proposals http://paste.openstack.org/show/520980/16:18
thrawn01someone had mentioned _class options where planned for removal?16:19
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smcginnisthrawn01: Not aware of that. Could be.16:20
smcginnisthrawn01: Is the oslo deprecated thing new?16:20
thrawn01yes16:20
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smcginnisthrawn01: That one may be a good target to start with if it's available.16:21
winston-dthrawn01: 'Prosoed change' session of the spec here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/295543/9/specs/categorized-configuration-options.rst16:21
thrawn01k, will do, I'll wait on the other items.16:21
winston-dthrawn01: i see only 1st bullet item is a technically achieveable goal.16:22
winston-dthe rest looks like still relies on people16:22
smcginnisthrawn01: Anything else to discuss here for now?16:23
thrawn01no, I'm good thanks all for the feedback16:23
winston-dthrawn01: we can discuss offline, of course.16:23
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smcginnisthrawn01: OK, thanks for raising it.16:23
smcginnis#topic Migrate volume between backends in an async way16:23
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smcginniswilson-l: Hi, you're up.16:23
thrawn01winston-d: thanks, I would like to pick your brain on "Improving the sample file" but thats about it16:23
wilson-lhi :-)16:24
smcginnis#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312853/ Spec16:24
wilson-lI have commit a patch for proof-of-concept: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/334923/16:24
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diablo_rojothrawn01: I have done some work with improving the sample file as well if you wanted to chat about it.16:24
smcginnis#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/334923 Proof of concept16:24
wilson-lnot a full-blown patch, just a proof-of-concept16:24
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thrawn01diablo_rojo: awesome16:24
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smcginniswilson-l: I need to read through the latest rev of the spec.16:25
smcginniswilson-l: Are there any points you wanted to specifically discuss here?16:26
wilson-lnot really much:-)16:26
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wilson-lmaybe we can revisit it again16:26
smcginniswilson-l: OK, just raising awareness then. Since this has an impact on backends - driver maintainers, it's probably worth your time to review and see what this will mean to you.16:27
smcginniswilson-l: OK, thank you.16:27
hemnawilson-l, do we have a spec ?16:27
jungleboyjhemna: There is one out there.16:28
smcginnisheman: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312853/16:28
wilson-lwe have discussed the spec ago16:28
hemnasweet16:28
hemnathnx16:28
smcginnishemna: ^^ oops16:28
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smcginnis#topic Open Discussion16:28
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smcginnisAny other topics?16:28
hemnathis sounds like something like the old c-data service discussion could solve16:29
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smcginnishemna: That topic does keep coming up.16:29
hemnayup16:29
hemnawe really could use it for lots of stuffs16:29
smcginnishemna: I think if a backend can handle it effeciently then that should be the first place.16:29
* dulek think that he actually never been part of that. Just heard stories…16:29
smcginnishemna: But having a data service to handle things like this could be good.16:29
hemnayah I think so16:29
thingeesmcginnis: is that on the topic for midcycle?16:30
hemnaman, if only I had a job, I would love to take that on16:30
smcginnisdulek: I think it's probably been a year or so since it was last discussed.16:30
winston-dDoes manila actual have something like c-data?16:30
jungleboyjhemna: Yeah, that discussion as been dead for a while.  :-(16:30
smcginnisthingee: Not sure, but it probably should be.16:30
xyang1winston-d: yes, bur that is a generic solution16:30
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smcginnisRight before we discuss taskflow again. :D16:30
xyang1the proposal here is driver specific, not generic16:30
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erlonwinston-d: manila uses c-data for migration, I think since, Mitaka16:31
smcginnis:)16:31
* dulek starts to feel good about joining mid-cycle only remotely… ;)16:31
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winston-dxyang1: right, wilson's proposal is driver specific but since hemna brought up c-data, that was supposed to be generic.16:31
sheel:)16:31
diablo_rojodulek: Lol :)16:31
xyang1winston-d: sure, that will be different from wilson's16:32
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winston-dxyang1: yeah.16:32
smcginnisAdded to the etherpad for the midcycle.16:32
mtaninodulek: ;)16:32
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sheel👍16:32
jungleboyjdulek: No fair muting us to avoid the fun.16:33
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smcginnisAnything else?16:33
smcginnisOK, thanks eveyone.16:34
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jungleboyjThanks!16:34
diablo_rojoThanks :)16:34
xyang1thanks16:34
winston-dthx!16:34
wilson-lthanks16:34
smcginnis#endmeeting16:34
geguileoThanks16:34
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jlvillal#start_meeting ironic_qa17:00
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jlvillal#startmeeting ironic_qa17:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Jul  6 17:00:17 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is jlvillal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.17:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.17:00
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jlvillalHello everyone17:00
rpiosoo/17:00
jlvillalAs always the agenda is at: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic-QA17:00
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jlvillal#topic Announcements17:01
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jlvillalI don't have any announcements this week17:01
cdearborno/17:01
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jlvillalAnyone have anything to announce?17:01
rajiniro/17:02
jlvillalOkay moving on17:02
jlvillal#topic Multi-node Grenade17:02
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jlvillal#info Whiteboard with current status: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-newton-grenade-whiteboard17:02
jlvillal#info vsainko has proposed some devstack patches: https://review.openstack.org/33438217:03
jlvillal#info Trying to get multi-node to work with Ironic first. Then do Grenade.17:03
jlvillalAny questions?17:04
jlvillalI will be testing it this week.17:04
jlvillalIt would be great to have other people involved :)17:05
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jlvillalOkay moving on17:05
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jlvillal#topic Grenade testing for Ironic Inspector17:05
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jlvillalIs there anyone here to talk about it?17:05
vdrokI think it's done17:05
jlvillalThanks. I think I will delete this agenda item. Since the person working on it doesn't seem to show up. Plus if it is done, no need to talk about it.17:06
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jlvillal#topic 3rd Party CI (krtaylor)17:06
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jlvillalI don't think krtaylor is here today.17:07
jlvillalAny updates from anyone?17:07
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jlvillalOkay moving on17:08
jlvillal#topic Open Discussion17:08
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jlvillalAnyone?17:08
vdrokvsaienko is out, so I'll proxy his question here17:08
vdrokit's possible to run tempest several times on different configurations of ironic in a single job17:08
jlvillalvdrok, What question?17:09
vdrokdo we want to do this to save some time on setting up devstack?17:09
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vdroklike, run the tests on coreos, then switch to tinyipa and run again17:09
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jlvillalvdrok, Sounds like a good plan to me. If we can save time.17:09
jlvillalvdrok, I know JayF was working on gate improvements too.17:10
vdrokchanges to project-config would be minimal17:10
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jlvillalAt least I think he was.17:10
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jlvillalBut speeding up the gate sounds good to me. Though the grenade job is slow and not sure how to speed that up.17:10
vdrokyeah, I think it can be useful, but we need to think about which configs to test combined, they should be somehow similar :)17:10
jlvillalvdrok: But maybe we have fewer jobs that run longer. But not as long as grenade?17:11
vdrokotherwise debugging can become hard17:11
vdrokjlvillal: I think we can run tempest 2 times for sure while grenade is running :)17:11
jlvillalYeah, the debugging I do worry about. How easy will it be to know what stage we are in.17:11
rajinirOn the similar thought, can we reuse the devstack setup for different hardware nodes in a single build?17:11
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vdrokjlvillal: the idea is to continue if first run fails of course17:12
vdrokand accumulate the errors17:12
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vdrokrajinir: we're talking about the gate, no hw there :)17:12
vdrokbut it's possible to change nodes driver too17:13
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jlvillalvdrok, Sounds good. But for debugging. Make sure we can easily tell which part of the tempest steps we are in.  For example, knowing we are in tinyipa vs coreos.  Etc...17:13
vdrok++17:13
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jlvillalI think it sounds interesting. The main benefit I would see is just fewer jobs, but they run longer. Not sure if that is a big benefit or not...17:13
rajinirvdrok: Could be hard to to separate the logs if one of them failed and one passes17:14
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rajinirvdrok: How much time does this save?17:14
vdrokrajinir: yeah, but in this case we have some freedom as the script doing reconfiguration will be in our repo17:14
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vdrokso we can print whatever we want to console/some logs17:15
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vdrokI think the devstack setup takes ~20 minutes17:15
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vdrokso maybe 15 minutes if we combine 2 jobs and reconfig does not take too much time17:16
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rajinirvdrok: +1 anything to save the time17:16
vdrokit can, if we eg decide to completely recerate all the vms17:16
jlvillalvdrok, Sounds interesting. Maybe a proof-of-concept would be good.17:16
vdrokyup17:16
vdroknothing else from me :)17:17
jlvillal#info vdrok and vsaienko are exploring idea of running tempest multiple times, so can reuse the devstack setup in the gate. Might be able to reduce the number of gate jobs.17:17
jlvillalAnything else from anyone?17:17
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jlvillalOkay, thanks everyone.17:18
jlvillal#endmeeting17:18
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Sam-I-Amis there a docs meeting today?19:01
Sam-I-Amor did i somehow get off schedule19:02
strigaziI think so19:02
DevonBoatwrightNo. It's today19:02
DevonBoatwrightShilla needs to start the meeting19:02
DevonBoatwrightI can run it but I can't start ut19:02
vhowardsup19:02
DevonBoatwrightit19:02
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Sam-I-Amhmm, i dont see her19:02
rosmaitaDevonBoatwright: are you sure you can't start it?19:03
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DevonBoatwrightNo. She had another meeting... but was going to sign in and start it19:03
DevonBoatwrightHang on.. let me see19:03
Sam-I-Ami think anyone can start it19:03
DevonBoatwright#startmeeting19:03
rcaballeromxOk.19:03
openstackDevonBoatwright: Error: A meeting name is required, e.g., '#startmeeting Marketing Committee'19:03
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DevonBoatwrightNo... I run the arch guide meeting and had to be made a moderator or something19:03
DevonBoatwright#startmeeting DocTeamMeeting19:03
openstackMeeting started Wed Jul  6 19:03:50 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is DevonBoatwright. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.19:03
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.19:03
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'docteammeeting'19:03
DevonBoatwrightOH YEA!19:03
rosmaitathere you go!19:03
Sam-I-Ami think its called 'docteam'19:04
DevonBoatwrightDid I give it the correct name?19:04
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rosmaitaworks for me19:04
DevonBoatwrightYea. I hope it saves the logs in the correct place. Want me to end and restart?19:04
Sam-I-Amyeah19:04
DevonBoatwrightok19:04
DevonBoatwright#endmeeting19:04
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DevonBoatwright#startmeeting docteam19:05
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'docteam'19:05
Sam-I-Amyay19:05
strigaziIs there an agenda?19:06
rcaballeromxHello everyone.19:06
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DevonBoatwrightYes...19:06
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DevonBoatwright#topic action items from last meeting19:06
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DevonBoatwrightDo we have anything to revisit from the last meeting?19:07
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Sam-I-Amprobably have to look at the meeting log if no one wrote them down in the agenda19:08
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DevonBoatwrightI am looking at it right now. Playing catch up. heh19:08
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njohnstono/19:09
DevonBoatwrightSo it kind of looks like this is the same agenda from last meeting19:10
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DevonBoatwrightYep. It's the same agenda. How should we proceed19:10
vhowardhey nate19:10
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ShillaSaebihi guys19:11
ShillaSaebisorry im late19:11
Sam-I-Amhi19:11
ShillaSaebihda another meeting that was overlapping with this one, that happened to end early :)19:11
rcaballeromxHi19:11
DevonBoatwrightSo, Shilla, the agenda has not been updated?19:11
DevonBoatwrightIT's the same meeting agenda as last week19:11
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ShillaSaebitheres an APAC meeting which was last week19:11
ShillaSaebithis is the US version19:11
ShillaSaebiwe meet bi-weekly19:12
ShillaSaebisame agenda typically for both meetings19:12
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ShillaSaebi#topic Action items from the last meeting19:12
DevonBoatwrightok. Well, the topic right now is action items from the last meeting19:12
DevonBoatwrightYea.19:12
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ShillaSaebithere were no action items from the last meeting19:13
ShillaSaebiunless i am missing anything19:13
ShillaSaebifrom the APAC meeting, Lana was to e-mail CPLs about install guide participation19:14
ShillaSaebithat was done19:14
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ShillaSaebiI am not sure how the outcome went19:14
Sam-I-Amheh, that'll be interesting19:14
ShillaSaebi:)19:15
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ShillaSaebiok #topic Specs in review19:15
ShillaSaebi#link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/docs-specs,n,z19:15
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rcaballeromxAny questions regarding the UI guidelines spec?19:16
ShillaSaebinot fro mme19:16
ShillaSaebinot from me*19:16
rcaballeromx#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/337202/5/specs/newton/ui-guidelines.rst19:17
rcaballeromxAlexandra and I are working on it.19:17
rcaballeromxIf you have any suggestions please let us know.19:17
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ShillaSaebiok will do19:17
ShillaSaebithank yo u!19:18
rcaballeromxNP19:18
ShillaSaebi#topic Speciality teams19:18
ShillaSaebi#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Speciality_Team_Reports19:18
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ShillaSaebiplease take a look at the specialty team reports19:18
Sam-I-Amnothing much from networking. i was on vacation for 2 weeks.19:18
ShillaSaebiif you lead/organize one of the specialty teams, feel free to update here19:18
Sam-I-Amtrying to get caught up... and its not too much fun19:18
ShillaSaebii can imagine19:18
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ShillaSaebiyou must have a million emials19:19
ShillaSaebiemails* gah whats wrong with my spelling today, typing too fast i guess19:19
Sam-I-Amyeah, close to a million19:19
Sam-I-Ami'm at #719:19
ShillaSaebii can imagine19:19
ShillaSaebigood luck catching up19:19
ShillaSaebithat sounds like fun!19:19
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ShillaSaebion the operations/arch guide front, we are looking for more architects and operators to help with these guides19:19
ShillaSaebiwe've tried the ML19:19
DevonBoatwrightWe've joined a couple teams to try to recruit but not much luck on that front19:20
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rcaballeromxThe UX personas content should be complete by EoW. I was interrupted by a higher priority but that is done now.19:20
ShillaSaebiwe are not having members of thespecialty team join various operator meetings to try to get some help19:20
ShillaSaebicool19:20
DevonBoatwrightnot.. or now?19:20
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Sam-I-Ami'd bet now19:22
DevonBoatwrightI think she means we are now joining meetings.. because we have joined meetings. lol19:22
ShillaSaebiwas that question directed for me19:22
rcaballeromxYes.19:22
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DevonBoatwrightYEa19:22
ShillaSaebioh sorry, now19:23
DevonBoatwrightlol. :)19:23
ShillaSaebi#topic Countdown to release19:23
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ShillaSaebi◦ #link http://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/launch?iso=20161006T00&p0=1440&msg=OpenStack+Newton+Launch+Date&font=slab19:23
ShillaSaebi91 days19:23
ShillaSaebi#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/NewtonDeliverables19:24
ShillaSaebianything on that?19:25
Sam-I-Amnot here19:25
rcaballeromxditto19:25
ShillaSaebimmkay19:25
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ShillaSaebi#topic Open discussion19:26
ShillaSaebiForgot to ask what happened with the HA-Guide M19:26
ShillaSaebie-mail you sent out?19:26
ShillaSaebi@Sam-I-Am19:26
ShillaSaebi#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2016-June/008733.html19:26
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* Sam-I-Am looks19:27
Sam-I-Amno one responded to it19:27
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ShillaSaebiyeah and i noticed the last time the specialty team update was provided was back in March19:28
ShillaSaebiit's been a while19:28
rcaballeromxCan we discuss switching from 'code-block:: console' to 'prompt:: bash #' ?19:28
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Sam-I-Ammaybe...19:29
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ShillaSaebisure let me just provide a quick update back on the HA-guide topic19:29
ShillaSaebiat the APAC meeting, after looking at the logs again, it looks like Lana was to ask Bogdan about killing the HA guide19:30
ShillaSaebiand then maybe incorporating it into the ops guide19:30
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ShillaSaebi"in the meantime, we might do what Matt said and mark it as deprecated"19:30
ShillaSaebiso thats a start19:30
Sam-I-Amcool19:31
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ShillaSaebiok so switching from 'code-block:: console' to 'prompt:: bash #' ?19:31
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rcaballeromxI really like the way promp works but it does involve a ton of work.19:32
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rcaballeromxAny thoughts?19:32
ShillaSaebii would recommend starting a thread on the docs ML on this19:32
rcaballeromxThere is.19:32
Sam-I-Amisnt there a discussion thread now?19:32
ShillaSaebioh can you send me the link19:33
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ShillaSaebii must have missed that one19:33
rcaballeromxBetter way to display shell commands19:33
ShillaSaebiwhat was most of the consensus19:33
* rcaballeromx looking for the link...19:33
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rcaballeromx#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2016-July/008808.html19:34
Sam-I-Ampranav gave a reason for not using it (yet)19:34
Sam-I-Ambut other than that, it seems like a good idea19:35
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rcaballeromxI agree with Pranav. The change is more convinient than necessary.19:36
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rcaballeromxI am just doubtful that it is the best use of our time.19:36
ShillaSaebimy only concern would be installing the extension19:37
ShillaSaebii haven't caught up on all the emials yet though19:37
ShillaSaebibut if we have that part down then i am not opposed to it at alll19:37
ShillaSaebiright like if its low prio19:37
Sam-I-Amthere are definitely higher prio items19:38
rcaballeromxI see we are all of a similar opinion then.19:38
rcaballeromxThank you!19:39
ShillaSaebiyeah i mean if we have the time/resources that are willing to help then i don't have a prob w/it19:39
ShillaSaebi:)19:39
ShillaSaebiyep19:39
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ShillaSaebianything else anyone wants to bring up?19:39
ShillaSaebigoing once19:40
ShillaSaebigoing twice19:40
Sam-I-Amwell19:40
Sam-I-Amsort of19:41
ShillaSaebigo for it19:41
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Sam-I-Amsome meetings ago, i brought up the fact that we're seeing fewer and fewer docs contributions from projects... and the big tent isnt exactly helping19:41
strigazisome do :)19:42
Sam-I-Amwell, yeah :)19:42
Sam-I-Ambut many dont. most don't.19:42
dustinsAnd some wait until the very end of a cycle19:42
dustins(not that it's right, mind you :) )19:42
rosmaitaa lot of docs have been moved in-tree to the projects, though19:42
Sam-I-Amsome smaller projects lack the resources... but i'm mainly concerned about the large, long-standing projects19:43
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rcaballeromxAre specific docs people assigned to each project?19:43
Sam-I-Amrosmaita: yeah, that might help further reduce the barriers to contributions19:43
Sam-I-Amno, there arent enough docs people to do 1:119:43
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rcaballeromxI meant for the 13 core projects.19:44
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Sam-I-Amso thats sort of what i have in mind... move more docs into the project repos, and then provide services for those projects either helping review docs, or going in and fixing them.... then we use docs.openstack.org as a way to tie them all together into something coherent19:44
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rcaballeromxI fully agree!19:45
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strigazi+119:45
Sam-I-Amit would sort of be an opt in/out thing, but it does not allow 'no docs'19:45
Sam-I-Amwhich seems to be the problem now19:45
rcaballeromxThey could rally devs and enforce quality and consistency of content.19:45
rosmaita+119:45
Sam-I-Ami think we'll have a lot more consistency/quality maintenance to do... it depends on the project, the dev, etc.19:45
Sam-I-Ama lot of stuff in the devrefs is... bad.19:46
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rcaballeromxWe should also create clear guidelines of what is acceptable vs. what's not.19:46
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rcaballeromxYou can count me in on that effort.19:46
Sam-I-Amunfortunately, i think all of our conventions scare a lot of devs away19:46
rcaballeromxThey would not have to deal with them. The doc person of the project would.19:47
Sam-I-Amso it would be more like devs contributing technically accurate content, then either going the extra mile to make it look nice, or asking docs to help19:47
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Sam-I-Ami brought this up with the nova ptl and he'd like to bring it up at his mid-cycle... sort of test the waters19:48
rcaballeromx+119:48
Sam-I-Amwe might also want to get sean dague on board when he returns... someone who is generally good at pushing new ideas19:48
rcaballeromxWe can provide devs with templates, and try to avoid flooding them with conventions.19:49
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Sam-I-Amyeah, stuff like that is where we'd really fit in19:49
Sam-I-Amseems like the api ref movement to project repos is getting a lot of attention19:49
rosmaitawell, speaking for glance, that would be really helpful (templates and reviews)19:49
rosmaitathe api-ref will need a good look-over for consistency with other projects19:50
rcaballeromxIMO we should not be creating the content, just reviewing it and providing devs with tools for them to create it.19:50
Sam-I-Am^ this19:50
Sam-I-Amopenstack has gotten too big for the docs team to write content19:50
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Sam-I-Amunless we also happen to be involved with a project (like me and neutron)19:50
rcaballeromxEven then I bet it is very challenging and a lot of work.19:51
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Sam-I-Amso... dev contributes content, tags some sort of docs liaison in the review (or the docs team tracks patches with some sort of tag in the commit message) .... go.19:51
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rcaballeromxDevs should tag the project's doc maintainer.19:51
Sam-I-Ami'll probably throw something on the dev ML here in a couple days19:51
Sam-I-Amfire up some discussion19:52
Sam-I-Amjust figured i'd toss it out here19:52
Sam-I-Am(so maybe i'm not nuts)_19:52
rcaballeromxCopy me, please.19:52
Sam-I-Amrcaballeromx: are you on the dev ml?19:52
rcaballeromxI can be in a minute. :)19:52
Sam-I-Amcool. it'll be a couple days before i fire it off - still buried from vacation19:53
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Sam-I-Amthats it from me!19:53
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* rcaballeromx has nothing more to add.19:53
DevonBoatwrightAnything else ot bring up?19:54
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rosmaitais there any kind of style guide specificlly for the api-ref ?19:54
rosmaitai know some people are developing sphinx stanzas for it, was wondering where that's being tracked19:55
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DevonBoatwrightDoes anyone know? I'm not sure.19:56
Sam-I-Amyeah, there is somewhere19:56
Sam-I-Amyou might want to ask anne gentle19:56
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rosmaitaok, thanks19:56
Sam-I-Amshe's sort of been heading it up19:56
Sam-I-Amthere's also a few projects implementing it like keystone, so check with steve martinelli19:56
Sam-I-Ami think neutron is too... and nova.19:56
Sam-I-Amsean dague might also be good19:57
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DevonBoatwrightSo we have 3 more minutes...19:58
Sam-I-Amaight, i gotta roll19:58
rcaballeromxMe too.19:58
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Sam-I-Amgood meeting, nice seeing more people here19:58
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DevonBoatwrightOK. I think we'll wrap up then. Thanks for joining today everyone!19:58
DevonBoatwrightDef a productive meeting.19:58
DevonBoatwrightSee you all next time!19:58
DevonBoatwright#endmeeting19:58
rcaballeromxYes, see you!19:58
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krot_vaca_jul19#startmeeting app_ecosystem_wg20:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Jul  6 20:00:02 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is krot_vaca_jul19. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.20:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.20:00
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krot_vaca_jul19Hello everyone, who made it?20:00
mbonellhi :)20:00
uxdanielleHi there!20:00
krot_vaca_jul19Woo, peoples!20:00
rockygo/20:00
krot_vaca_jul19Many greetings from... uh... "Sunny" scotland.20:00
krot_vaca_jul19(For very, very broad definitions of "Sunny")20:00
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krot_vaca_jul19Agenda:20:01
krot_vaca_jul19#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/2016_July_6_App_Ecosystem_Workgroup20:01
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krot_vaca_jul19#topic Logistics20:01
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craigsHI20:01
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krot_vaca_jul19Looks like we're successfully holding this meeting, so item one is done.20:01
docaedoo/20:01
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krot_vaca_jul19Does anyone konw if notmars is planning on joining us?20:02
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calebbo/20:02
Patifao/20:02
mbonellnot sure20:02
krot_vaca_jul19Alright, we'll ask him later.20:03
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krot_vaca_jul19It looks like the "What is an app" discussion has died down, does anyone have any last words they'd like to get in before Patifa summarizes everything and comes up with a final draft?20:03
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Patifaflanders last email kinda summarizes the conversation. right?20:04
krot_vaca_jul19It really does20:04
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Patifalets just give it another week to see if anyone adds to it.20:06
krot_vaca_jul19Patifa: Works for me. Frankly, I'd be happy to stick with flanders' summary.20:06
PatifaMe too.. ;)20:06
mbonellwhere will be it published? in our wiki?20:07
mbonellWhat is an app - discussion20:07
krot_vaca_jul19However, I'm not really ok pushing this out another week. The topic needs to be settled so we don't get distracted.20:07
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krot_vaca_jul19However, we haven't really clearly communicated what the deadlines are on that topic. So how about someone (volunteer?) sends out an email saying: "We're closing this discussion in a week, drafting a final, and submitting that for approval".20:08
Patifao/20:08
krot_vaca_jul19mbonell: YEs, I expect it'll be on the wiki.20:08
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mbonellok20:09
krot_vaca_jul19We have a volunteer! Any major disagreements on this before we move on?20:09
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krot_vaca_jul19#action Patifa Send out email clearly communicating deadline and closure of "What is an app" discussion, and followup process for approval.20:09
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krot_vaca_jul19Ok, moving on.20:10
krot_vaca_jul19#topic FirstApp: jclouds20:10
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PatifaDeadlin monday? Before the meeting/20:10
Patifa?20:10
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craigsI don't have an update on jclouds or .NET20:11
krot_vaca_jul19Patifa: I think so- use the meeting to introduce it to the group, then send us with homework to review it.20:11
krot_vaca_jul19craigs: Got it. Martin's going to be joining the converstaion next week, yes?20:11
craigsI did hear on php-opencloud and Jamie says he cannot support it20:11
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craigsYes Martin said that he would start attending20:11
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krot_vaca_jul19craigs: That's good to hear.20:12
krot_vaca_jul19(On php20:12
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krot_vaca_jul19Alright, let's see if we can get an update from him next week.20:13
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krot_vaca_jul19#topic FirstApp: Shade20:13
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krot_vaca_jul19mbonell: Looks like you're working on the scaling-out portion now?20:13
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mbonellyep, scaling out section is WIP20:13
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mbonellmy goal is to complete shade by the end of july20:14
krot_vaca_jul19WOOHOO!20:14
* krot_vaca_jul19 does a little dance20:14
mbonelland then it will be ready for the go20:14
mbonellno more drafts :p20:14
krot_vaca_jul19:D20:14
krot_vaca_jul19Excellent.20:14
docaedombonell: that's great!20:14
calebbwhat is left to be done for shade?20:14
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mbonellcalebb: just validation, testing20:15
mbonellminior bugs20:15
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calebbahhh, ok, I saw you had a issue on shade's storyboard about the object metadata thing, that's fixed on master, but hasnt been in a shade release yet20:16
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mbonellsome TODOs20:16
mbonellyes, I was me :)20:16
krot_vaca_jul19Sounds like you two have it well in hand.20:16
mbonell;)20:17
krot_vaca_jul19ANything else before we move on?20:17
Patifa\o/20:17
mbonellnop, let's move on20:17
krot_vaca_jul19#topic FirstApp: Fog20:17
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krot_vaca_jul19Sean? You here?20:17
* krot_vaca_jul19 is guessing not.20:18
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krot_vaca_jul19Does anyone have an update form Sean?20:18
mbonellnop20:18
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craigsnope20:18
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krot_vaca_jul19Ok.20:19
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krot_vaca_jul19#topic FirstApp: JavaScript20:19
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krot_vaca_jul19No update from me, mostly because I've been on vacation and wasn't able to attend the meeting this morning.20:19
krot_vaca_jul19There's patches landing, I just have no idea what they are :)20:19
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krot_vaca_jul19Any questions?20:20
krot_vaca_jul19Ok, moving on.20:21
krot_vaca_jul19#topic FirstApp: PHP20:21
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krot_vaca_jul19Jamie has said that he can't support it. Does anyone else have th etime to do this?20:21
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* krot_vaca_jul19 listens to crickets.20:22
mbonellhahaha20:22
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krot_vaca_jul19Ok, this brings up an interesting question.20:22
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krot_vaca_jul19At what point do we abandon something, and what does abandoning an effort look like?20:22
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Patifathat is an interesting question.20:23
craigsYeah don't know how20:23
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docaedoIn this case I would say it's pretty clear there's little to no interest in continuing, but the effort would be "on hold" until a PHP developer steps forward to help20:24
craigs Just update the spreadsheet as on hold20:24
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krot_vaca_jul19On hold? Or shall we remove it entirely?20:24
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docaedois there a draft of the document in play anywhere?20:25
krot_vaca_jul19#link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/224987/20:26
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rockygI think I'd put in "needs a volunteer" rather than on hold20:26
docaedorockyg: that's better :)20:26
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Patifapaused - need a volunteer20:27
mbonellyes20:27
craigshttps://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/144933220:27
openstackLaunchpad bug 1449332 in openstack-manuals "FirstApp: Add php-opencloud support" [Medium,Confirmed]20:27
Patifabecause all the other need volunteers..20:27
Patifaeven the ones that are not on hold20:28
krot_vaca_jul19Righto, that works for me.20:28
krot_vaca_jul19Everyone ok with "Paused - need a volunteer"?20:28
mbonell+220:28
rockyg++20:29
docaedomaybe the foundation can sponsor an "doc bounty" and we offer some lovely gift to encourage more volunteers?20:29
krot_vaca_jul19I like bounties :)20:29
mbonellboth links are in the spreadsheet?20:29
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krot_vaca_jul19I don't see the bug link in the spreadsheet20:29
krot_vaca_jul19#link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18Zj2JU0jR4hy8y1HxFl30gTEGeqgBjc6hqv0ZAByVYo/edit#gid=020:30
craigsyep should add it20:30
krot_vaca_jul19Now it is.20:30
krot_vaca_jul19Ok, moving on20:30
krot_vaca_jul19#topic FirstApp: IOpenStack20:30
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krot_vaca_jul19notmars is not here!20:30
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krot_vaca_jul19Moving on.20:31
krot_vaca_jul19#topic App Hackathon20:31
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vhdiazo/20:32
vhdiazWe have addressed the training schedule for October20:32
mbonellAug20:33
krot_vaca_jul19Woot!20:33
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vhdiaz:P thinking ahead in the summit ...20:33
vhdiazAug*20:33
vhdiazthere are pending items to define with the foundation to have budget support for couple of the trainers...20:33
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vhdiazOpen: I need to consult @notmars about the cloud for the event20:34
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vhdiazat this time We have not received confirmation from OSIC if they will sponsor the cloud...20:34
vhdiazso I am now chcking public cloud options...20:35
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vhdiazWe may need to pay for that :(20:35
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krot_vaca_jul19vhdiaz: Is there no free-developer-instances program out there we can piggyback on?20:35
vhdiazI don't think a free instance can support the main event20:36
krot_vaca_jul19vhdiaz: Alternatively, http://trystack.org/20:36
vhdiazWe are looking for free instances for the training...20:36
craigstrystack is very limited in what it will give you for resources20:36
rockygtrystack?20:36
vhdiazthat is my point..20:36
mbonelltrystack is not an option20:36
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vhdiazWe will have 200 participants... my assumption is that We need a more robust solution20:37
rockygwe should try for att.  They claim they have a solution;-)20:37
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krot_vaca_jul19This seems like a pretty big problem that needs to be addressed quickly.20:38
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krot_vaca_jul19I know I cannot rely on HPE for resources at this time, because politics.20:38
rockygyeah, but it would be great press for any Public Cloud Provider to host it....20:38
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krot_vaca_jul19rockyg: Does huawei have anything they can offer?20:39
vhdiazIt will be a very public event20:39
rockygOur cloud is in China :(20:39
reedvhdiaz, the question is 'how much public will it be'?20:39
rockygI'll check around, though.20:39
krot_vaca_jul19rockyg: No cloud in that new research office in Belleveu?20:39
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krot_vaca_jul19*bellevue20:39
vhdiazThis falls into the 'in kind cloud sponsorship" to public cloud providers...  who can bring many more of their customer clients... to these public clouds20:40
rockygNot yet.  Well, so far as I know.  I haven't even gotten 5 machines for a cloud here in Santa Clara R&D20:40
krot_vaca_jul19vhdiaz: You mentioned reaching out to notmars and Internap?20:40
vhdiazyes20:40
rockygI *will* send an email to those who supposedly can decide, though.20:40
vhdiazOSIC and Internap20:40
krot_vaca_jul19rockyg: Thank you! :D20:41
rockygLocation is Guadalajara, right20:41
vhdiazwas ideal, in order to bring 'multi-cloud' experience20:41
rockyg?20:41
krot_vaca_jul19This really seems like it's what OSIC was made for.20:41
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vhdiazyes20:41
mbonellhaha20:41
reedvhdiaz, what's the communication plan of the event? is there a way it can be made quite international?20:41
rockygI'd ask what the connectivity is like to China, but......ahem20:41
vhdiaz:s20:41
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reedwhat's OSIC?20:42
vhdiazthe event is going to be in a big university20:42
krot_vaca_jul19#link https://osic.org/20:42
vhdiazI cannot answer the question.. but We can test ahead20:42
vhdiazOpen Stack Innovation Center20:42
rockygThere is actually a publick cloud provider in Queretaro, MX20:43
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docaedoI thought OSIC was about testing deployments at scale, so users of OSIC just get dedicated metal and have to deploy their own OpenStack cloud on the nodes they get?20:43
krot_vaca_jul19reed: Is DreamCompute an option?20:43
vhdiazthat is exactly right,  that will be the next step <- contacing local providers... ask them if they want to participate, or pay them..20:43
krot_vaca_jul19docaedo: There's an optino to have them install openstack for you?20:44
krot_vaca_jul1915 minute warning20:44
reedkrot_vaca_jul19, I am so swamped right now with things to do that I'm not sure it's worth the investment for me20:44
* reed practice shamless honesty here20:44
krot_vaca_jul19reed: Understood.20:44
docaedokrot_vaca_jul19: oh nice! I did not know that (though some folks are coming to the OpenStack PDX meetup in a few weeks to tell us EVERYTHING about OSIC)20:44
krot_vaca_jul19reed: Is there someone else at DreamHost that we can pester?20:44
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krot_vaca_jul19docaedo: Soooooo.... what you're saying is that you're oging to talk to OSIC people in PDX in a few weeks on vhdiaz's behalf? :D20:45
krot_vaca_jul19reed: (Trying every angle ;) )20:45
vhdiaz:p20:45
vhdiazThat helps...20:45
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rockygAlso, Internap might be a good one to hit up.....20:45
docaedohahaha I can send an email even sooner than that20:45
vhdiazI am speaking to a few folks as well20:45
vhdiazInternap is key20:46
vhdiazthat is why I need to speak to notmars20:46
krot_vaca_jul19Ok then. vhdiaz- you've got plenty of contacts via this group already that you can take advantage of if Internap doesn't work out.20:46
reedkrot_vaca_jul19, I am the best person here, i can make the decision but the problem is that I am going to be also the one that needs to extract value from the effort :)20:46
reedand if I don't have time to do the latter (get the value) the former makes no sense20:46
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rockygso, my AI is to send an email after I get off this meeting.20:46
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vhdiazthanks20:47
krot_vaca_jul19rockyg: Thanks! Keep vhdiaz in the loop.20:47
rockygWill do.20:47
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krot_vaca_jul19Moving on.20:48
krot_vaca_jul19#topic Barcelona20:48
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rockygexpected number of hackers - 200.  How many vm's of what size expected?20:48
krot_vaca_jul19So, just a quick summary of last week: Flanders wrote up a big proposal to the foundation right before last week's meeting, and we as yet have no update on that.20:49
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krot_vaca_jul19He's also said that anything on a training track that he organizes is very likely not going ot be bound by the July 15th deadline, so we can relax on that.20:49
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krot_vaca_jul19I'll keep bringing this topic up in the agenda so we can keep abreast of what's going on.20:49
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krot_vaca_jul19Any questions before we move on?20:50
krot_vaca_jul1910 minute warning20:50
rockygI think we will again need to line up the cloud providers sooner rather than later for that20:50
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krot_vaca_jul19rockyg: True, but I expect that'll be a bit easier seeing as it's attached to the summit.20:51
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krot_vaca_jul19Also, we can make flanders do that :)20:51
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krot_vaca_jul19#topic Hosted IRC: The Lounge20:51
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rockyg++20:51
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docaedoHi!20:52
krot_vaca_jul19Hi docaedo!20:52
docaedonot much progress this last week - the next action is for me to try to write the auth component20:52
* krot_vaca_jul19 provided docaedo with a summary of the auth things that we need to support.20:52
docaedoI did dig in some, and saw the auth flow for thelounge based on an LDAP auth piece that's merging soon20:52
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docaedoit's not super complicated but I've never written anything in JS ;)20:53
docaedoon action I have though:20:53
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docaedo#action Aedo to update "hosted IRC spec" to indicate authentication will be against openstack ID, with that code yet to be written20:53
krot_vaca_jul19Excellent, thanks for the update. Any questions?20:54
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docaedono, what you shared was useful, thanks20:54
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krot_vaca_jul19Alright!20:54
krot_vaca_jul19#topic Open Discussion20:54
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krot_vaca_jul19uxdanielle needs note takers!20:54
rockygdocaedo, you might check with the refstack folks.  They wrote a server that validates with OSID20:54
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rockygMight be js20:55
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uxdanielleYes! Interviews are happening (maybe as soon as tomorrow) and I just found out I'm not allowed to record the sessions ;)20:55
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rockygouch!20:55
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docaedorockyg: I will, I know some of those fine people as we get our paystubs from the same person ;)20:55
docaedorockyg: thanks for the pointer20:55
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mbonellqq, are we going to have a BoF session for Barcelona?20:55
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rockygnp!20:56
rockygWe should20:56
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krot_vaca_jul19mbonell: Let's! Do we need to submit a proposal?20:56
mbonellyep20:56
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krot_vaca_jul19uxdanielle: You can't record them?20:56
Patifanope20:56
uxdanielleNope, would need consent, and that's complicated :P20:57
krot_vaca_jul19Oh. Hrm.20:57
mbonell:o20:57
krot_vaca_jul19It always gest annoyting when the lawyers get involved.20:57
mbonellpatifa: for20:57
uxdanielleSo anyone is welcome to join and write down what is said/what they think is important. I believe Patricia will collect email addresses and I'll send any interested parties the meeting invite as they are scheduled (5 sessions)20:57
Patifaso we need volunteers to take notes on the ehter pad20:57
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krot_vaca_jul19uxdanielle, Patifa: I am interested, however I am also time constrained.20:57
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krot_vaca_jul19mbonell: When does that proposal need to be submitted, by July 15th?20:58
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Patifavolunteers will have the chance to ask questions too, right uxdanielle20:58
uxdanielleThat is correct!20:58
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Patifaand/or add comments to the notes.20:59
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krot_vaca_jul19Ok, we're out of time. Outstanding discussion needs to go to the list.20:59
Patifaall that is required is that who ever listens to the interview helps take notes20:59
krot_vaca_jul19Patifa: Definitely send me an invite then.20:59
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rockygfor BoF, 7/15  But, it doesn20:59
rockyg't20:59
docaedo(times up)20:59
krot_vaca_jul19Thanks everyone!20:59
Patifaok20:59
rockygtake much to write up the abstract for a BoF21:00
krot_vaca_jul19#endmeeting21:00
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mbonellbyes!21:00
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uxdanielleBye! :)21:00
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notmynameswift team meeting time21:00
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notmyname#startmeeting swift21:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Jul  6 21:00:46 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is notmyname. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.21:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.21:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'swift'21:00
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notmynamewho's here for the swift team meeting?21:00
timburkeo/21:00
mmotianiHi21:00
mathiasbo/21:00
cschwedeo/21:01
torgomaticprobably that other guy is21:01
kei_yamao/21:01
hurricanerixo/21:01
pdardeauo/21:01
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jrichlihere21:01
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sgundur1hi21:01
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notmynamehello, everyone. welcome!21:02
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notmynameI've been out since friday, so I'm just catching up to everything that's going on :-)21:02
m_kazuhiroo/21:02
notmynameagenda for this week's meeting is21:02
notmyname#link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Swift21:02
tdasilvahello21:02
notmyname#topic hackathon next week21:03
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notmynamenext week is the swift hackathon in san antonio21:03
mattoliverau\o/21:03
notmyname#link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift_SA_hackathon_201621:03
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notmynamethere's the etherpad we're using to collect topics21:03
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notmynamelike normal, we'll start off with collecting these and prioritizing them. I'll be bringing dot stickers again :-)21:04
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notmynameand, like always, it looks like there's a lot of great stuff to discuss21:04
notmynamelogistic info for the hackathon is at21:04
notmyname#link https://www.eventbrite.com/e/openstack-swift-july-2016-hackathon-tickets-2591377379521:04
notmynameand by now you should have your plane tickets and hotel booked21:04
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notmynamehurricanerix is taking care of us during the week21:05
notmynameany questions from anyone about hackathon logistics?21:05
hurricanerixYes, if anybody needs anything please let me know.21:05
notmynamehurricanerix: anything to add or any questions you need answered before we all show up?21:05
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hurricanerixAlso if anybody requires a vegetarian lunch/dinner option, please let me know so I can coordinate it.21:06
tdasilvawhat's the best mode of transportation from airport to hotel?21:06
hurricanerix(preferably by the end of the meeting)21:06
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mattoliverauin texas..21:06
tdasilvabus, train, uber?21:06
mattoliverautdasilva: I'm going to to uber21:06
hurricanerixtdasilva probably uber,21:06
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notmynamehurricanerix: what about the shuttle I've heard about?21:07
hurricanerixbut the hotel isn't that far from the airport21:07
tdasilvamattoliverau, hurricanerix, cool thanks!21:07
mattoliverautdasilva: if your staying the aloft, then they have a shuttle.. but I get in at aruond midnight.21:07
mattoliverauno shuttle then21:07
notmynamehurricanerix: oh, sorry. I was thinking about getting to RAX from the casle21:07
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tdasilvamattoliverau: shuttle from airport to hotel?21:07
hurricanerixnotmyname the hotel runs a shuttle to rax21:07
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hurricanerixi think mattoliverau knows more about that than me though21:07
mattoliverauyup, aloft shuttle can pick you up from airport21:07
notmynamehttp://www.aloftsanantonioairport.com/transportation21:08
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tdasilvanotmyname: thanks21:08
cschwedethx!21:08
mattoliveraualoft shuttle can take you to many places for free, you just book/ask.. but they only go a certain radius. but airport and RAX are definite cause I've used them21:09
notmynameif someone has a vegetarian preference for meals, please speak up now in this meeting or ping hurricanerix privately (now). he needs a count for coordinating meals21:10
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hurricanerixAlso, we will be taking everyone here Wed at 6PM,21:10
hurricanerixhttps://goo.gl/maps/fMKtZCzbVmM221:10
mattoliveraucool21:10
mathiasbwhat time do we start on monday morning? 9am at RAX?21:11
notmynamemathiasb: yep!21:11
notmynamehurricanerix: are you staying with us at the aloft for the week?21:11
timburkeme gusta cocina mexicana!21:11
hurricanerixnotmyname yes!21:11
notmynamehurricanerix: I'm not seeing any calls for veg. preference in here, so I hope people are pinging you somewhere else21:12
hurricanerixIf anybody needs/wants my contact info, PM me and I will send it to you.21:12
pdardeauif mahatic is coming, i think she's vegetarian21:13
notmynameshe is. good call pdardeau21:13
pdardeauso are some of the OSIC folks (3 of them)21:13
pdardeauthe ones not saying anything21:13
notmynameheh21:13
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mattoliveraulol, maybe they want BBQ and you ruined it :P21:14
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mmotianihurricanerix: I am vegetarian :)21:14
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notmynameanything else on the hackathon from anyone?21:15
notmynameplease continue to add stuff to the etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift_SA_hackathon_201621:15
hurricanerixpdardeau mmotiani thanks!21:15
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notmynameand if anything else comes up, please feel free to ping hurricanerix or myself21:15
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notmyname#topic crypto status21:16
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notmynamewe've had this on the agenda for soooo long21:16
notmyname...and it's done!21:16
mattoliverau\o/21:17
notmynamethank you, again, to acoles for coordinating the patch chain21:17
notmynameand everyone who wrote and reviewed the code21:17
acolesnotmyname: it was...interesting ;)21:17
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acolesyes, thanks to all the reviewers!21:17
notmynamenow that it's done, there's a feeling of "now what?" or "what's next?"21:18
notmynamefor the rest of this week (before the hackathon), we need to look at the stuff that was on hold while we were waiting for crypto to land21:18
notmynameeg some of the small py3 things, the docs imports, the unicode bugs that came up. stuff like that21:19
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timburkeand the various follow-ups that shook out of crypto review21:19
notmynameyeah21:19
notmynameonce we get those things taken care of (mostly I'm looking at the "needs final approval to land" section on the review dash, I'd like to cut a swift release21:20
acolesI noted some crypto "foloow-up" tasks on the trello board during review https://trello.com/b/63l5zQhq/swift-encryption (I may have missed some)21:20
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notmynamegreat21:20
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notmynamethere's good stuff there21:21
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notmynamelonger term, there's a few "big things" that are on the horizon. in no particular order they include...21:21
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notmynamegolang work -> goal of improving replication and object server performance21:22
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notmynamecontainer sharding21:22
notmynamestorage tiering/migrations21:22
notmynameand of course there's all the "normal" bugs and features21:22
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notmynamenext week, I'd like to talk about the prioritization of these and what we need to call them "done"21:24
notmynameI'm not sure exactly what that conversation will look like since we haven't ever done anything quite like that before, but I'm pretty sure we've done stuff like that with our respective employers before21:24
notmynamebut there's plenty to do to keep us all busy for quite some time :-)21:25
notmynameany questions or thoughts on that right now?21:25
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tdasilvaprioritization sounds like a positive thing to do, +1 to that :)21:26
tdasilvanotmyname: any update on the searchlight integration?21:26
tdasilvais all being done by the searchlight team?21:27
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notmynamegood question. I don't have anything at the moment, although I know timur here at swiftstack has done some level of work21:27
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notmyname#topic open discussion21:28
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timburkemight be worth pinging timur in #openstack-swift later21:28
notmynamecschwede: any updates on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/304465/ or https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323950/21:28
patchbotnotmyname: patch 304465 - openstack-infra/devstack-gate - Use subnodes for Swift storage nodes in a multinod...21:28
patchbotnotmyname: patch 323950 - swift - Refactor locale tests and fix unicode issue21:28
tdasilvatimburke: will do21:28
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cschwedenotmyname: clayg had a look into the unicode issue21:29
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cschwedeno update on the other one (subnode testing)21:29
notmynameok21:29
notmynamenow that crypto's done, I'll try to follow up more with it21:29
cschwedeprobably need to discuss the unicode thing next week, seems to be a larger hidden issue...21:30
notmynameyeah21:30
cschwederelated to logging21:30
notmynameanything else from anyone?21:30
notmynameok. let's call it early this week21:30
tdasilvaI've been adding some thoughts on symlinks here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/swift_symlinks it would be great to get the opinion of others...21:30
notmynamelooking forward to seeing you next week in san antonio21:31
acolescschwede: I found some more places late today where I think we could get unicode errors :/ I may push a dependent review to your patch with some tests21:31
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jrichlitdasilva: great.  i can take a look21:31
timburkedon't forget to give swiftclient some love! there was a message on the dev mailing list that led to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/335615/21:31
patchbottimburke: patch 335615 - python-swiftclient - Fix unicode issues in tempurl command21:31
* notmyname needs to go afk for just a bit, so will go ahead and close the meeting. feel free to keep discussing21:31
cschwedeacoles: thx! yeah, i think there are more spots…21:31
notmyname#endmeeting21:32
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