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| ddeja | #startmeeting ha | 08:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 11 08:01:00 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ddeja. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: ha)" | 08:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ha' | 08:01 |
| samP | hi/ | 08:01 |
| ddeja | Hi all! | 08:01 |
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| samP | any news from PWG about instance HA? | 08:02 |
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| ddeja | I don't have any info | 08:03 |
| samP | They are planning midcycle on end of Aug with ops-meetup | 08:03 |
| ddeja | I guess aspiers would have some info, but he would be available next week | 08:03 |
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| ddeja | #topic current status | 08:04 |
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| ddeja | My status: Most of my patches in mistral merged, one patch to write | 08:04 |
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| ddeja | then I'll start testing | 08:05 |
| ddeja | that's all from my side | 08:05 |
| samP | gret.. | 08:05 |
| ddeja | samP: something to report? | 08:05 |
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| samP | sorry, couldnt get much time this week | 08:05 |
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| ddeja | no problem :) | 08:05 |
| ddeja | #topic AOB (any other business) | 08:06 |
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| ddeja | I have nothing for this week | 08:06 |
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| samP | watch the PWG topics for next midcycle | 08:06 |
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| ddeja | #action ddeja to watch PWG topics | 08:06 |
| ddeja | :) | 08:06 |
| masahito | hi | 08:06 |
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| ddeja | masahito: \o | 08:07 |
| ddeja | masahito: there is not much to talk this week, but if you have someting for open discussion feel free to raise :) | 08:07 |
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| masahito | ddeja: nothing from my side :-) | 08:08 |
| ddeja | OK | 08:08 |
| samP | note to aspiers: submit the talk proposal :0 | 08:09 |
| samP | :) | 08:09 |
| ddeja | samP: yup, I wrote him separe email about it | 08:09 |
| ddeja | separate* | 08:09 |
| samP | ok then, thanks | 08:09 |
| ddeja | yup. Next week Adam should be back so I hope there would be more people | 08:10 |
| ddeja | so thank you and see you next week :) | 08:10 |
| samP | sure, thank you.. | 08:10 |
| ddeja | #endmeeting | 08:10 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 11 08:10:44 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:10 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/2016/ha.2016-07-11-08.01.html | 08:10 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/2016/ha.2016-07-11-08.01.txt | 08:10 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ha/2016/ha.2016-07-11-08.01.log.html | 08:10 |
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| rvasilets_ | #startmeeting Rally | 14:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 11 14:02:45 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rvasilets_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 14:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'rally' | 14:02 |
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| rvasilets_ | amaretskiy, ikhudoshyn andreykurilin__ boris-42 | 14:03 |
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| rvasilets_ | hi ^ | 14:03 |
| amaretskiy | hi | 14:03 |
| ikhudoshyn | o/ | 14:03 |
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| andreykurilin | o/ | 14:04 |
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| boris-42 | hi hi | 14:04 |
| rvasilets_ | Okey looks like almost all are here | 14:04 |
| rvasilets_ | #topic [amaretskiy] Rally-as-a-Service demonstration | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "[amaretskiy] Rally-as-a-Service demonstration (Meeting topic: Rally)" | 14:05 | |
| rvasilets_ | [amaretskiy] We have Rally-as-a-Service demonstration - let's discuss it and decide 1) if this demo implementation is good? and 2) do we need a spec based on this demo? | 14:05 |
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| rvasilets_ | amaretskiy, words to you | 14:05 |
| amaretskiy | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/336636/ | 14:05 |
| amaretskiy | The commit message worth all my words :) please take a look to it | 14:05 |
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| amaretskiy | I wish you review this patch!!! | 14:06 |
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| amaretskiy | and give feedback if this implementation is good and we can proceed to have a merge-candidate patch | 14:06 |
| amaretskiy | and, if required, a spec for RaaS | 14:07 |
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| amaretskiy | eom | 14:07 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: I haven't chance yet | 14:07 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: however I like the amount of the code | 14:08 |
| boris-42 | =) | 14:08 |
| amaretskiy | great!!!!!!! | 14:08 |
| rvasilets_ | Oh, this is the huge patch and I beliave its important to review it as quick as possible) | 14:08 |
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| amaretskiy | the major part of this patch is supporting code that is not a body of proposal, so real amount of code is even lesser | 14:09 |
| rvasilets_ | Do we have blockers for that patch? | 14:09 |
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| amaretskiy | we do not have blockers | 14:10 |
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| amaretskiy | we could decide if we need a Spec | 14:10 |
| amaretskiy | boris-42 ^ | 14:10 |
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| boris-42 | amaretskiy: so I don't think that we need a spec | 14:11 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: let's keep it on review for now | 14:11 |
| amaretskiy | great | 14:11 |
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| rvasilets_ | Okey any questions for that topic? ikhudoshyn andreykurilin | 14:12 |
| andreykurilin | no | 14:12 |
| ikhudoshyn | we don't want to publish an API for RaaS right | 14:12 |
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| ikhudoshyn | ? | 14:12 |
| ikhudoshyn | only our client <-> our service? | 14:12 |
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| andreykurilin | hm.. | 14:12 |
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| rvasilets_ | I thought we should... | 14:12 |
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| ikhudoshyn | otherwise we'd better have a spec/doc for the API to make sure it is designed properly | 14:13 |
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| amaretskiy | ikhudoshin, i do not understand the question | 14:13 |
| ikhudoshyn | changing existing api after it gets published would be such a pain | 14:13 |
| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: actually we are going to publish | 14:13 |
| ikhudoshyn | boris-42: so we'd better have it (the API) done right from the 1st attempt | 14:13 |
| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: we can call it actually experimental | 14:14 |
| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: and change in any way | 14:14 |
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| ikhudoshyn | sounds reasonable | 14:14 |
| amaretskiy | ikhudoshyn: RaaS API is something stable and should be unchanged/versioned | 14:14 |
| ikhudoshyn | ok i'm fine with that | 14:14 |
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| amaretskiy | we could change public API during the beta period | 14:14 |
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| ikhudoshyn | well it SHOULD be stable and unchanged/versioned | 14:15 |
| rvasilets_ | Okey then I believe we are #agreed To review Raas patch | 14:15 |
| amaretskiy | sure | 14:15 |
| ikhudoshyn | yet supporting multiple versions is not an easy task | 14:15 |
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| ikhudoshyn | so i'm just about be sure that we're absolutely ok with the API | 14:16 |
| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: amaretskiy so it is going to be expertimental | 14:16 |
| boris-42 | for a while | 14:16 |
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| boris-42 | plus we are going to review it in patch | 14:16 |
| ikhudoshyn | as boris-42 said we could keep it 'experimental' for a while | 14:16 |
| ikhudoshyn | yup | 14:16 |
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| boris-42 | it is better then reviewing it in spec | 14:16 |
| boris-42 | =) | 14:16 |
| ikhudoshyn | (y) | 14:16 |
| amaretskiy | ikhudoshyn: sure. Ut's enough to add an api_version parameter to RaaS | 14:17 |
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| amaretskiy | *It's | 14:17 |
| ikhudoshyn | amaretskiy: )) you're straight as a ruler ) | 14:17 |
| amaretskiy | KISS-way :) | 14:17 |
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| ikhudoshyn | it's enough indeed) but it'd be better to avoid unnesecary versions at all | 14:18 |
| amaretskiy | sure | 14:18 |
| * ikhudoshyn thub's up | 14:18 | |
| andreykurilin | btw, why we need public API? why not leave compatibility at rally-as-a-python-lib layer ? | 14:18 |
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| ikhudoshyn | andreykurilin: that was my initial Q | 14:18 |
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| andreykurilin | :) | 14:19 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: it would be good to allow people to work with rally via "curl" | 14:19 |
| andreykurilin | oh... | 14:19 |
| amaretskiy | agree 100% :) | 14:19 |
| boris-42 | so they won't need to install rally to use rally service | 14:19 |
| ikhudoshyn | "API first" | 14:19 |
| ikhudoshyn | )) | 14:19 |
| andreykurilin | boris-42: imo, it is better to split rally to rally-api and rallyclient to decrease requirements of rallyclient and suggest to install rallyclient allways | 14:20 |
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| andreykurilin | *rally-api will provide both api and client styff; rallyclient will be just sync of code from rally-api project | 14:21 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: there is no rally client | 14:22 |
| rvasilets_ | Split rally?) Looks like openstack way) | 14:22 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: there is rally | 14:22 |
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| andreykurilin | I dislike curl approach at all | 14:22 |
| andreykurilin | :) | 14:22 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: spliting rally and rally client will be nightmare | 14:22 |
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| amaretskiy | andreykurilin: "curl" meand urllib/requests/etc.... | 14:22 |
| amaretskiy | *means | 14:22 |
| ikhudoshyn | boris-42: if there's no rally client then how does one gonna use RaaS? | 14:22 |
| andreykurilin | i got it | 14:22 |
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| andreykurilin | amaretskiy: i got what curl means:) | 14:23 |
| amaretskiy | even web browser | 14:23 |
| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: so there is only one bash implmenetation of client | 14:23 |
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| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: no matter what you are using local/remote rally | 14:23 |
| ikhudoshyn | boris-42: "pip install rally" just to connect to RaaS? | 14:23 |
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| andreykurilin | boris-42: it should not be a nightmare. just simple script which will copy files from rally.cmd and rally.api to separate repository | 14:24 |
| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: and as amaretskiy said we won't be able to create web tier without API that is accessable via HTTP | 14:24 |
| ikhudoshyn | i'm personally fine with that but people won't get it | 14:24 |
| boris-42 | ikhudoshyn: or use local | 14:24 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: think a bit more | 14:24 |
| andreykurilin | I'm not saying that it is a good idea:) but I dislike support of public api:) | 14:24 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: you have to support it | 14:25 |
| ikhudoshyn | andreykurilin: people love API | 14:25 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: otherwise no web UI | 14:25 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: integration will look like crap | 14:25 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: and how you are going to do smooth changes in api | 14:25 |
| andreykurilin | so we need to start thinking about versioning, publishing our API and testing based on "curl" | 14:25 |
| ikhudoshyn | andreykurilin: sure | 14:26 |
| boris-42 | because client/server code are on different servers | 14:26 |
| boris-42 | .kl | 14:26 |
| andreykurilin | and we need to start doing it right now, since it is a hard topic | 14:27 |
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| boris-42 | andreykurilin: amaretskiy seems like we need spec | 14:27 |
| amaretskiy | if rally-client means another repository/project/pip-package then I would vote No | 14:28 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: I was already thinking about this splitting rally and rally client | 14:28 |
| amaretskiy | boris-42: ok | 14:28 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: and it was shitty idea =) | 14:28 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: ^ | 14:28 |
| amaretskiy | but spec requires your reviews | 14:28 |
| andreykurilin | as soon as we start provide public API, even if it experimental, we will unable to change it. We will have +100500 bug reports, since R-a-a-S is a hot topic | 14:28 |
| amaretskiy | of demo | 14:28 |
| andreykurilin | and everybody wants it | 14:28 |
| boris-42 | it didn't work for us because Rally should have only one CLI for both Rally local installation & Rally remove installation | 14:28 |
| amaretskiy | please review demo and let's decide if proposal is good for spec | 14:28 |
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| boris-42 | andreykurilin: otherwise it will be just mess with requrimenets | 14:29 |
| boris-42 | amaretskiy: e.g. rally package it self won't work | 14:29 |
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| andreykurilin | ok, let's forget about splitting api and cli:) | 14:29 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: without rally-clinet and vise versa | 14:29 |
| amaretskiy | good | 14:29 |
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| andreykurilin | boris-42 amaretskiy: I don't think that spec will help match. It is easier to discuss stuff with implementation:) | 14:30 |
| andreykurilin | *will help a lot | 14:30 |
| amaretskiy | sure | 14:30 |
| amaretskiy | so, spec or not to spec? :) | 14:31 |
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| ikhudoshyn | amaretskiy: not right now ) | 14:32 |
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| amaretskiy | ok :) | 14:32 |
| andreykurilin | +1 for ikhudoshyn:) | 14:32 |
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| ikhudoshyn | we'd review the patch and dicsuss cons if any, then maybe spec | 14:32 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: ok, so in any case try in mind to split rally and rally-cli in separated repo | 14:32 |
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| boris-42 | andreykurilin: and understand how painful is that | 14:32 |
| boris-42 | =) | 14:32 |
| andreykurilin | boris-42: I'll try;) | 14:33 |
| amaretskiy | okay. I wait your reviews and being ready to start a spec :) | 14:33 |
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| andreykurilin | next topic? | 14:34 |
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| ikhudoshyn | we dont have any | 14:34 |
| andreykurilin | I have one:) | 14:34 |
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| ikhudoshyn | ok) | 14:34 |
| andreykurilin | so it is just an announcement | 14:34 |
| ikhudoshyn | i actually do , too | 14:34 |
| rvasilets_ | We don't have topics more | 14:35 |
| rvasilets_ | #topic Open discussion | 14:35 |
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| andreykurilin | Last week a have a bit of free time and started writing release notes | 14:35 |
| andreykurilin | I suppose we will have a release this week | 14:35 |
| rvasilets_ | ))) | 14:35 |
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| andreykurilin | so let's concentrate on bug-fixes and move merge of huge changes to next week | 14:36 |
| andreykurilin | it doesn't mean that we should ignore huge changes:) | 14:36 |
| andreykurilin | just not merge them | 14:36 |
| ikhudoshyn | there won't be any huge changes from me this week, i promise | 14:36 |
| andreykurilin | :D | 14:36 |
| ikhudoshyn | ) | 14:36 |
| andreykurilin | eom | 14:36 |
| ikhudoshyn | one from me | 14:36 |
| boris-42 | andreykurilin: ok | 14:37 |
| ikhudoshyn | a kind reminder stable and should be unchanged/versioned | 14:37 |
| ikhudoshyn | oops | 14:37 |
| ikhudoshyn | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/297020/ | 14:37 |
| ikhudoshyn | db refactoring is waiting for more eyes | 14:37 |
| amaretskiy | I will review this soon | 14:37 |
| ikhudoshyn | pls dont mind if its green - i'm working on migrations | 14:38 |
| rvasilets_ | Last week my eyes was tiered but I believe they are ready this week) | 14:38 |
| ikhudoshyn | .. if its green or red | 14:38 |
| ikhudoshyn | eom | 14:38 |
| rvasilets_ | or yellow) | 14:38 |
| andreykurilin | ok, I'll try to fing time this week | 14:38 |
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| rvasilets_ | amaretskiy, boris-42 what about to finish the meeting | 14:39 |
| amaretskiy | + | 14:39 |
| boris-42 | + | 14:39 |
| andreykurilin | boris-42: btw, my plans about release, do not mean that you can ignore patch about services... | 14:39 |
| ikhudoshyn | + | 14:39 |
| rvasilets_ | Ok? thx to all | 14:39 |
| rvasilets_ | See you next time #endmeeting | 14:39 |
| rvasilets_ | #endmeeting | 14:40 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 11 14:40:01 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2016/rally.2016-07-11-14.02.html | 14:40 |
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| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2016/rally.2016-07-11-14.02.txt | 14:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/rally/2016/rally.2016-07-11-14.02.log.html | 14:40 |
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| anteaya | #startmeeting third-party | 15:06 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 11 15:06:29 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is anteaya. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:06 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: third-party)" | 15:06 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'third_party' | 15:06 |
| anteaya | thanks lennyb | 15:06 |
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| anteaya | I was deep in figuring out storyboard apis | 15:06 |
| anteaya | :) | 15:06 |
| mmedvede | hi anteaya | 15:07 |
| anteaya | how are you today, mmedvede? | 15:07 |
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| mmedvede | all good, thanks | 15:07 |
| anteaya | oh I'm so glad | 15:07 |
| anteaya | nice day here | 15:07 |
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| anteaya | had a deer on my lawn last night for the longest time | 15:07 |
| anteaya | does anyone have anything they would like to discuss today? | 15:08 |
| mmedvede | lots of deer and rabbit around where I am | 15:08 |
| mmedvede | :) | 15:08 |
| anteaya | mmedvede: nice | 15:08 |
| anteaya | :) | 15:08 |
| anteaya | I love watching them | 15:08 |
| wznoinsk | hi there | 15:08 |
| anteaya | hey wznoinsk | 15:09 |
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| anteaya | #info http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-July/098992.html pin nodepool | 15:09 |
| wznoinsk | hi anteaya | 15:09 |
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| anteaya | so have you all read asselin__'s post to dev about pinning nodepool? | 15:09 |
| anteaya | wznoinsk: nice to see you | 15:09 |
| asselin__ | hi. i'm here but double-booked. | 15:10 |
| wznoinsk | anteaya, good to be here ;-) even tho still on vacation | 15:10 |
| anteaya | asselin__: thanks for the post to dev | 15:10 |
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| anteaya | wznoinsk: oh my, well glad you are here but I hope you enjoy vacation | 15:10 |
| anteaya | does anyone have anything they would like to discuss today? | 15:11 |
| mmedvede | I have a question regarding OpenStack infra monitoring | 15:11 |
| anteaya | mmedvede: go ahead | 15:11 |
| mmedvede | (trying to set something up myself) | 15:11 |
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| mmedvede | does the team use any automated notification system? | 15:11 |
| anteaya | no | 15:11 |
| mmedvede | or looked into having one? | 15:11 |
| anteaya | humans are much faster than any automated notifaction system | 15:12 |
| wznoinsk | anteaya, don't mind this little break to get back and set my mind into a technical mode | 15:12 |
| anteaya | we have purposely not wanted any automatic notification system | 15:12 |
| anteaya | none of the infra team has a pager, nor do we want one | 15:12 |
| lennyb | mmedvede: what are you looking for? | 15:12 |
| anteaya | wznoinsk: fair enough | 15:12 |
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| anteaya | some infra team member purposely choose to work in this environment as a way of leaveing a pager behind | 15:13 |
| wznoinsk | anteaya, this maybe due to amount of notifications teams may get and get around to do the 'really important' ones, isn't it? | 15:13 |
| mmedvede | I ideally am looking for alerts being sent to irc, triggered by anomaly detection in metrics | 15:13 |
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| anteaya | wznoinsk: well there a a couple of reasons, one is a lifestyle choice, when our infra folks are online they are responding to things in channel as fast as possible | 15:13 |
| anteaya | when they are offline, they really need to be offline | 15:13 |
| mmedvede | anteaya: agree on no pager. I am talking about irc alerts | 15:13 |
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| wznoinsk | mmedvede, what monitoring system you have as the source of these alerts? | 15:13 |
| anteaya | mmedvede: what kind of alerts? | 15:14 |
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| mmedvede | wznoinsk: none yet. was considering graphite-beacon initially (simple thresholds trigger a script that sends irc message) | 15:14 |
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| mmedvede | anteaya: any sorts of alerts, e.g. zuul lost connection to OpenStack gerrit | 15:15 |
| mmedvede | anteaya: but my question is mostly to find out if infra considered any tooling (as generally you chose good tools :) ) | 15:15 |
| anteaya | zuul would reconnect then would it not, if it lost a connection to gerrit? | 15:15 |
| anteaya | ah, well our irc bots are in need of an overhaul | 15:16 |
| anteaya | but noone has had the time & interest to do it | 15:16 |
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| anteaya | as our irc bots are fraught with issues I think due to threading which requires us to pin a bot to a server | 15:16 |
| anteaya | then if the server goes down we lose the bot | 15:16 |
| anteaya | so in terms of irc messaging tool I believe that infra does not feel we are using the latest bright and shiny | 15:17 |
| wznoinsk | mmedvede, can an event be used (like running an arbitrary command) when alert occurs in graphite? | 15:17 |
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| mmedvede | wznoinsk: yes, but you need external tool (e.g. graphite-beacon) | 15:18 |
| wznoinsk | on the other hand, the more puzzles in the 'notification' system the mroe prone it is it will not work in some cases | 15:19 |
| wznoinsk | my setup was nagios + nagstamon (windows app that sits on your desktop/systray and makes flashing/noise when nagios sees someting bad) | 15:19 |
| mmedvede | anteaya: ok, that is more or less what I thought | 15:19 |
| anteaya | mmedvede: it is an interesting discussion, I'm curious as to your motivation for it, what are you looking to fix or address? | 15:20 |
| wznoinsk | I'd recommend something as simple as that for notification + externally hosted script to check the monitoring system (nagios, graphite) itself ;-) | 15:20 |
| mmedvede | wznoinsk: I found nagios so far hard to manage | 15:20 |
| wznoinsk | mmedvede, I'm not promoting nagios in any form (it's just what I was used to and didn't want to learn new monitoring tool back then) | 15:21 |
| mmedvede | anteaya: main motivation is to react quickly to things going wrong. we do not have downstream users to complain, so sometimes it takes awhile to catch things | 15:21 |
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| wznoinsk | bad wording, again: I like nagios, but the above was just an example of noitification simplicity (to avoid problems with the notification system itself) | 15:22 |
| anteaya | mmedvede: ah for your personal use, yes that makes sense | 15:22 |
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| anteaya | mmedvede: um, how many of your tools send you email alerts on failures? | 15:23 |
| mmedvede | wznoinsk: I understand what you are saying :) | 15:23 |
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| wznoinsk | mmedvede, good ;-) | 15:24 |
| mmedvede | anteaya: I did not configure emails on failure. I think after awhile you would start ignoring them, as noise | 15:24 |
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| anteaya | well we are talking about a system for you to know when your system is failing, are we not? | 15:24 |
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| anteaya | if the tools have the ability to email you, have you tried to figure out how to get that feature to work for you? | 15:25 |
| lennyb | mmedvede: we send emails on 5 failures | 15:25 |
| mmedvede | anteaya: I thought you meant CI failures | 15:25 |
| mmedvede | like jenkins test failed | 15:25 |
| anteaya | I don't want your emails | 15:25 |
| anteaya | but I thought we were talking about solving a problem you have | 15:26 |
| anteaya | so get your tools to email you | 15:26 |
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| anteaya | and you can configure it as you see fit, as lennyb suggests | 15:26 |
| mmedvede | lennyb: that works to a degree, but you might wait 5 hours before you get email | 15:26 |
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| mmedvede | anteaya: getting a tool to email is not a problem. Main puzzle piece is what to use to decide when to send an alert | 15:27 |
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| mmedvede | there are a lot of options | 15:27 |
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| lennyb | mmedvede: correct. my assumption is that a single failure is a developer responsibility, if there are a number of failures, that probably means that the problem is my CI. I still have in my todo list a script to compare my CI failure to the others | 15:28 |
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| anteaya | mmedvede: ah, yes I do agree | 15:28 |
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| watanabe_isao | anteaya, do we have a way to know if the zuul of infra CI is down ASAP? I'm thinking maybe that is mmedvede 's question? | 15:29 |
| anteaya | mmedvede: is that your question? | 15:30 |
| wznoinsk | mmedvede, does graphite have a configuration on how many attempts a check has to fail before its marked as a WARNING/CRITICAL? | 15:30 |
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| mmedvede | watanabe_isao: I brought up our CI's zuul as example | 15:31 |
| mmedvede | there are many more things we need to monitor, zuul was one of them that misbehaves frequently | 15:31 |
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| mmedvede | wznoinsk: graphite is not monitoring tool, it is aggregation. So it does not have alerts | 15:31 |
| mmedvede | wznoinsk: so someone wrote graphite-beacon to monitor graphite metrics | 15:32 |
| watanabe_isao | mmedvede, I see. Well in my third party CI zuul hungs before due to some issue, and I need to check it every day now, which is a nightmare. | 15:32 |
| mmedvede | (there are many others) | 15:32 |
| wznoinsk | mmedvede, is that the graphite youre talking about ? http://graphiteapp.org/ ? | 15:32 |
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| anteaya | mmedvede: well it sounds like there is no existing thing that does what you are looking for, my suggestion would be to put something in an etherpad that specificies _exactly_ what you want, since we seem to be getting lost guessing due to generalities | 15:32 |
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| mmedvede | wznoinsk: in the context of OpenStack infra - http://graphite.openstack.org/ | 15:33 |
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| anteaya | then once you get a few people to read the etherpad who can then repeat back what you say you need such that they understand what you want, post to the infra list | 15:33 |
| anteaya | since I will be honest, currently I don't know what it is you want | 15:33 |
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| mmedvede | anteaya: it is ok, I know what I want to try already. And this discussion confirmed I did not missed some obscure super-cool tool everyone is using | 15:34 |
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| anteaya | ah that was the point of this conversation | 15:34 |
| anteaya | okay great | 15:34 |
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| anteaya | glad you got what you needed | 15:34 |
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| anteaya | and yeah, I don't think you are missing out in any of the latest hotness | 15:35 |
| anteaya | does anyone have anything more for this discussion? | 15:35 |
| watanabe_isao | anteaya, are we only talking about 3rd party tol here? May I ask something about devstack-gate? | 15:35 |
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| anteaya | watanabe_isao: you can ask | 15:35 |
| anteaya | this is the third-party meeting | 15:36 |
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| mmedvede | we use devstack-gate (some of us) | 15:36 |
| anteaya | so anything you ask will be viewed in the context of third party operators and their activitiese | 15:36 |
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| wznoinsk | mmedvede, ok - I was only reading the 'about' section of graphite, sometimes it's hard to tailor a tool for data collecting/metrics for the monitoring/notifications purposes... would graphite be your only source of data you want to alert/notify on? or would you want to monitor output of different kinds (i.e.: particular processes on a machine, run a completely custom check etc.) ? | 15:36 |
| watanabe_isao | Does anyone considered about a mid_test_hook? | 15:36 |
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| mmedvede | wznoinsk: right now it seems graphite (statsd metrics) is a good way to aggregate everything | 15:37 |
| anteaya | what do you want a test hook to do in the middle of a test? | 15:37 |
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| watanabe_isao | With is used to execute some commands before tempest | 15:37 |
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| mmedvede | watanabe_isao: do you mean after devstack, but before tempest? | 15:37 |
| watanabe_isao | anteaya, to set up the environment, like add a node to ironic. | 15:38 |
| watanabe_isao | mmedvede, yes | 15:38 |
| wznoinsk | watanabe_isao, if you're thinking what I think you're thinking about you probably want to use local.sh that devstack itself runs at the very end | 15:38 |
| mmedvede | watanabe_isao: we actually have ironic job that does something like that | 15:38 |
| watanabe_isao | wznoinsk, I know it also can e.x. add the node to ironic | 15:38 |
| mmedvede | we use pre_test_hook to create config with baremetal node information | 15:39 |
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| watanabe_isao | wznoinsk, for example you want to add a node to ironic as late as you can. But devstack install takes too long time. | 15:40 |
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| wznoinsk | mmedvede, when I think about it... I agree, I could probably tailor nearly all of my custom scripts to output some form of metric to graphite... monitoring tools usually have graphing tools built-in tho... my main aim is to monitor, alert/notify 2nd to see historical graphs hence I use nagios | 15:41 |
| wznoinsk | watanabe_isao, sorry, I can't help you here, don't use Ironic here yet | 15:42 |
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| mmedvede | watanabe_isao: we considered adding node later, but for POC job ended up de-facto adding it before devstack | 15:42 |
| wznoinsk | but shouldn't a stacked node, given OS_URL and other links to the controller/keystone, register itself up (note: lack of Ironic knowledge here) | 15:42 |
| watanabe_isao | wznoinsk, it's ok. well in my use case, I also want to run some local scripts before tempest | 15:42 |
| mmedvede | watanabe_isao: did you consider a devstack plugin? | 15:42 |
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| watanabe_isao | mmedvede, no just some local scripts. | 15:43 |
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| watanabe_isao | mmedvede, but it is a good point I think. | 15:44 |
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| anteaya | anything more on this topic or the monitoring one? | 15:45 |
| anteaya | we seemed to be doing both at the same time | 15:45 |
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| anteaya | does anyone have anything else they would like to discuss today? | 15:46 |
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| wznoinsk | anteaya, we've agreed with moshele from Mellanox to submit a barcelona talk abstract about SRIOV/NFV CI setups we have... we both use openstackci toolset... I'd like to bring it up with os infra guys, is tomorrows 3rdparty WG meeting a good one for this? | 15:46 |
| watanabe_isao | anteaya, one more on ci-watch, please. | 15:46 |
| watanabe_isao | wznoinsk, you first. | 15:47 |
| wznoinsk | watanabe_isao, go with yours, given the time | 15:47 |
| watanabe_isao | wznoinsk, thanks | 15:47 |
| watanabe_isao | anteaya, does any of us going to give ci-watch a filter? | 15:48 |
| anteaya | what filter might they give? | 15:48 |
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| mjturek1 | hey all mmedvede is on his way back. Lost power and is reconnecting | 15:49 |
| anteaya | mjturek1: thank you | 15:49 |
| mjturek1 | np! | 15:49 |
| watanabe_isao | anteaya, my CI in cinder is always at below, and I don't want to see some CI's result. I'm talking about a filter to stop showing some results. | 15:50 |
| anteaya | ah filter out results you don't want | 15:50 |
| watanabe_isao | anteaya, yes. | 15:50 |
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| anteaya | watanabe_isao: well the ci-watch code is using gerrit, so you could offer a patch | 15:50 |
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| anteaya | even if you aren't sure of the code, write a clear commit message saying what you want the patch to do, and hopefully kind reviewers can help you get the patch in shape | 15:51 |
| watanabe_isao | anteaya, got it. Currently it is just a idea. will do it. | 15:51 |
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| anteaya | #link http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/third-party-ci-tools/ | 15:52 |
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| anteaya | I believe that is the repo | 15:52 |
| anteaya | great, more on this or shall we move to wznoinsk's question? | 15:52 |
| watanabe_isao | anteaya, thank you. yes. please go. | 15:53 |
| anteaya | thanks | 15:53 |
| anteaya | wznoinsk: you are up | 15:53 |
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| anteaya | wznoinsk: I believe your question was about making the infra team aware of a talk you have submitted? | 15:54 |
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| anteaya | well a few things, I personally don't endorse anyone else's talk proposal, lest I be inindated with requests | 15:55 |
| wznoinsk | you, os infra, guys would know best what community is looking for about 3rdparty CI setups so I wanted to have a chat about our yet-general sriov/nfv CI talk in barcelona on tomorrows 3rd party WG meeting | 15:55 |
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| anteaya | if you want to discuss the content of the proposal prior to proposing that is fine, you can ask questions in the infra channel | 15:56 |
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| anteaya | if you want the whole team to discuss something (both men and women, not just the guys) then you can add an agenda item to the infra team meeting: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 15:56 |
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| wznoinsk | ok, I'll share more on nthis soon then | 15:57 |
| anteaya | I have a lot of meetings already and am hard pressed to attend more | 15:57 |
| anteaya | I can't speak for other infra team members but if there is someone you would like to invite you are welcome to ask them | 15:57 |
| anteaya | thanks | 15:58 |
| anteaya | 15:58 | |
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| wznoinsk | nope, thanks | 15:58 |
| anteaya | thank you | 15:58 |
| anteaya | anyone with anything else today? | 15:58 |
| anteaya | about 1 minutes remaining | 15:58 |
| anteaya | 1 minute | 15:59 |
| watanabe_isao | anteaya, sorry that I'm new to this meeting. Do we have another meeting, tomorrow? | 15:59 |
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| anteaya | watanabe_isao: thanks for attending, glad you have you | 15:59 |
| anteaya | watanabe_isao: all openstack meetings are listed here: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/ | 15:59 |
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| anteaya | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#Third_Party_Meeting | 16:00 |
| anteaya | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#Third_Party_Working_Group_Meeting | 16:00 |
| anteaya | those would be the links you are looking for | 16:00 |
| anteaya | and time to end | 16:00 |
| watanabe_isao | anteaya, ohhh, | 16:00 |
| watanabe_isao | Third Party Working Group Meeting | 16:00 |
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| anteaya | thank you everyone see you next week | 16:00 |
| anteaya | #endmeeting | 16:00 |
| watanabe_isao | anteaya, I see. Thank you. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 11 16:00:46 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-07-11-15.06.html | 16:00 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-07-11-15.06.txt | 16:00 |
| anteaya | watanabe_isao: thank you | 16:00 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/third_party/2016/third_party.2016-07-11-15.06.log.html | 16:00 |
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| rakhmerov | #startmeeting Mistral | 16:04 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 11 16:04:33 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rakhmerov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:04 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Mistral)" | 16:04 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'mistral' | 16:04 |
| rakhmerov | hi | 16:04 |
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| ddeja | o/ | 16:04 |
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| mgershenzon | o/ | 16:04 |
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| Ravikiran_K | o/ | 16:05 |
| hparekh_ | hi | 16:05 |
| rakhmerov | ok, let's start | 16:05 |
| rbrady | o/ | 16:05 |
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| rakhmerov | #topic Current status (progress, issues, roadblocks, further plans) | 16:05 |
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| rakhmerov | my status: worked on KeyCloak authentication (done), finished some work on error handling (done), started working on Actions API | 16:06 |
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| rakhmerov | please write a couple of words about your status | 16:06 |
| ddeja | My status: Finished work on alternative RPC layer, waiting for review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/340450/ | 16:07 |
| hparekh_ | my status : Currently busy with some other stuff. Can not get much time. So I have just reviewed some patches. | 16:07 |
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| rakhmerov | ddeja: great work ) | 16:07 |
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| rakhmerov | I'll review it tomorrow first thing | 16:07 |
| mgershenzon | still internal stuff :( | 16:08 |
| d0ugal | Hey | 16:08 |
| ddeja | rakhmerov: thanks :) Still I have testing to do | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | hparekh_: ok, if you want some Mistral work please talk to me | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | ok | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: hi ) | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: any updates? | 16:08 |
| rakhmerov | we're telling our statuses | 16:08 |
| hparekh_ | rakhmerov: yeah, ok sure I will ping you | 16:09 |
| d0ugal | I've mostly been busy with other work but I did try to work on https://bugs.launchpad.net/mistral/+bug/1597640 | 16:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1597640 in Mistral "with-items does not process ad-hoc action default values" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Dougal Matthews (d0ugal) | 16:09 |
| d0ugal | until I got stuck :) | 16:09 |
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| rakhmerov | d0ugal: ok, I'll try to help you | 16:10 |
| rakhmerov | np | 16:10 |
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| rbrady | I've been busy with other work, but started looking at how to implement custom-actions-api | 16:10 |
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| rakhmerov | rbrady: I started doing some work on it | 16:11 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: Thanks. I am travelling a bit this week and at EuroPython next week so it probably wont be done for n-2 unless somebody else wants to try | 16:11 |
| rakhmerov | I want to discuss it in the next topic | 16:11 |
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| rakhmerov | d0ugal: we'll see, ok. Thanks for letting us know | 16:11 |
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| rakhmerov | so, there's basically one important topic from my side that I'd like to discuss | 16:11 |
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| rakhmerov | #topic Custom Actions API | 16:12 |
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| rakhmerov | I started working on it, as of now I created a separate repo and am sketching up python packages and modules that we'll need to implement | 16:12 |
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| rakhmerov | it is not shared yet, I need to add it as a new project | 16:13 |
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| rakhmerov | after I share it, you can take part of this work | 16:13 |
| rakhmerov | so, question | 16:13 |
| rbrady | rakhmerov: ack | 16:13 |
| d0ugal | Neat, would be very cool to see how much you have done | 16:13 |
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| rakhmerov | not really much :) | 16:13 |
| d0ugal | aww, I hoped it would be finished ;) | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | just a template of the project with packages and modules according to the spec | 16:14 |
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| rakhmerov | :)) | 16:14 |
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| rakhmerov | so question: Name of the subproject with Actions API? | 16:14 |
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| rakhmerov | initially I thought mistral-common, but it was refused during spec discussion | 16:14 |
| rakhmerov | and somebody just proposed mistral-actions-api | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | which is ok to me, it's pretty precise etc. | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | but.. | 16:15 |
| ddeja | I guess it's ok | 16:15 |
| d0ugal | So, just to be clear, this is a Python library that will be used be projects that have custom Mistral actions. | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | but :) | 16:15 |
| d0ugal | I think -api is redundant. mistral-actions? | 16:15 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: yes, exactly right | 16:15 |
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| rakhmerov | but! | 16:15 |
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| rakhmerov | we now got one more similar thing that should be also taken care of | 16:15 |
| hparekh_ | rakhmerov: mistral-actions-lib ? | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | pluggable YAQL functions | 16:16 |
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| rakhmerov | so, now we can plug in new YAQL functions in a similar way | 16:16 |
| d0ugal | mistral-lib? | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | and they need to have sort of API as well, stable, documented etc. | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: yes, this is what I would like to propose | 16:16 |
| rakhmerov | mistral-lib | 16:16 |
| rbrady | +1 for mistral-lib | 16:17 |
| ddeja | mistral-oslo? :D | 16:17 |
| ddeja | (joking) | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | meaning that it's going to be a storage for shared routines | 16:17 |
| d0ugal | That matches openstackclient: https://github.com/openstack/osc-lib | 16:17 |
| ddeja | +1 for mistral-lib | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | ddeja: well, it'd be too tough :)) | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | there's also neutron-lib for example | 16:17 |
| rakhmerov | etc. | 16:17 |
| d0ugal | Yup | 16:17 |
| d0ugal | I was just finding that one :) | 16:18 |
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| rakhmerov | so if no objections, I'll create a new repo tomorrow and make it live in CI etc. | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | objects, comments? | 16:18 |
| hparekh_ | mistral-lib sounds good +1 | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | objections.. | 16:18 |
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| d0ugal | +1 from me | 16:18 |
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| mgershenzon | +1 | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | ok, deal | 16:18 |
| rakhmerov | second question: OK to use mistral-extra to store OpenStack actions? What changes do we need in its structure? | 16:19 |
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| d0ugal | I think it is okay, but I don't think the name is very clear. | 16:19 |
| rakhmerov | it's a little bit early to work on it may be but we could do some preparations here as well | 16:19 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: yeah, but it already exists | 16:19 |
| d0ugal | Indeed, that is why it is okay :-D | 16:20 |
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| rakhmerov | and it's supposed to have various kinds of Mistral additions | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | :) | 16:20 |
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| rakhmerov | d0ugal: but I share your concern | 16:20 |
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| rakhmerov | that's why I'm discussing it | 16:20 |
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| ddeja | I guess it is OK. But it have to be stated somewhere in docs that openstack action are stored there | 16:20 |
| rakhmerov | yes, absolutely agree | 16:21 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: I would prefer a more descriptive name like mistral-openstack-actions because "extra" could mean anything | 16:21 |
| ddeja | and also there should be mechanism to install just some of them, for exmaple, only nova related actions | 16:21 |
| d0ugal | Yeah, if it is documented well enough it will be fine | 16:21 |
| ddeja | then it would really be mistral 'extras' | 16:21 |
| rakhmerov | ddeja: yeah, I thought about a script similar to how we used to install modules from oslo-incubator | 16:21 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:21 |
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| rakhmerov | because of that, I'm working on these two patches: | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/340346/ | 16:22 |
| d0ugal | mistral-extra is easy because it is there, we can always rename it later if we really want :) | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/340334/ | 16:22 |
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| rakhmerov | but they are not finished yet | 16:22 |
| d0ugal | cool | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | the second one is about restructuring the repo itself | 16:22 |
| rakhmerov | the first one removes python jobs from CI (it's very rough yet, I'll have to learn more about it) | 16:23 |
| rakhmerov | so | 16:23 |
| rakhmerov | if you are all ok to use this repo (given that we'll adjust docs well etc.) I'd like to ask you to review these patches and provide your early comments | 16:24 |
| rakhmerov | after this is done, somebody will be able to take over OpenStack actions | 16:24 |
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| rakhmerov | not necessarily just one person | 16:24 |
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| d0ugal | +1 sounds good to me | 16:25 |
| mgershenzon | rakhmerov: no one else will push code at that time, right? | 16:25 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: btw, I'm totally ok to create a new repo if we make sure that this idea with mistral-extra doesn't work well for some reason | 16:25 |
| rbrady | rakhmerov: +1 | 16:25 |
| hparekh_ | +1 | 16:25 |
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| rakhmerov | mgershenzon: yeah, these are just initial steps, I want to make sure that the ball is rolling | 16:26 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: Do you think it will ever be used for anything else? A generic name could be useful | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | and everything is set up for parallel work | 16:26 |
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| d0ugal | rakhmerov: but if it will only ever be used for openstack actions, then why not use a more specific name? | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: I'm not a fan of too precise name for the repo because I imagine that we'll want to create some other actions | 16:26 |
| rakhmerov | like AWS actions or something like that | 16:27 |
| d0ugal | right | 16:27 |
| rakhmerov | there maybe many types of those actions | 16:27 |
| d0ugal | mistral-actions maybe? | 16:27 |
| rakhmerov | and it seems like it's a not a good option to create a repo every time | 16:27 |
| d0ugal | I agree, that was just an example of something with more meaning than "extras" | 16:27 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: yeah, I'd prefer mistral-actions over mistral-openstack-actions | 16:28 |
| rakhmerov | yes | 16:28 |
| d0ugal | but I am totally fine with mistral-extras. | 16:28 |
| d0ugal | For me it will always be hidden behind packaging and I wont notice most of the time :) | 16:28 |
| mgershenzon | do we have to remove the python jobs from CI? | 16:28 |
| rakhmerov | and btw, after we'll decouple them and move into a separate repo it'll be an easy thing to move them anywhere else, if needed | 16:28 |
| d0ugal | mgershenzon: I think this does that: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/340346/ | 16:28 |
| rakhmerov | d0ugal: yes, right | 16:29 |
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| mgershenzon | d0ugal: thanks | 16:29 |
| d0ugal | rakhmerov: but if you ask me to bikeshed, I can bikeshed :-D | 16:29 |
| rakhmerov | :) | 16:30 |
| d0ugal | I think everyone is generally okay with mistral-extras, so I'd stick with that for now. | 16:30 |
| rakhmerov | yes, let's do this | 16:30 |
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| rakhmerov | if you're ok then let's move to the next topic | 16:30 |
| d0ugal | +1 | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | ok, thanks | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | well, I actually don't have anything else from my side | 16:31 |
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| rakhmerov | that's all I wanted to bring up | 16:31 |
| rakhmerov | any specific things from you guys? | 16:32 |
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| d0ugal | Nothing from me. | 16:32 |
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| rakhmerov | #topic Open Discussion | 16:32 |
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| rakhmerov | ok, if there's nothing else then I'd suggest we save time and end the meeting | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | :) | 16:33 |
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| ddeja | I would like to ask for reviews :) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/340450/ | 16:33 |
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| rakhmerov | ddeja: I'll do it | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | anything else? | 16:33 |
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| rakhmerov | counting to 10 and close the meeting | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | 1 | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | 2 | 16:33 |
| ddeja | I know, but if someone else have time I'll apriciate :) | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | 3 | 16:33 |
| hparekh_ | Nothing from me | 16:33 |
| rakhmerov | 4 | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | 5 | 16:34 |
| mgershenzon | no | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | 6 | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | 7 | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | 8 | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | 9 | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | 10 | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | thanks! | 16:34 |
| rbrady | :) | 16:34 |
| d0ugal | Thanks rakhmerov | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | bye and have a good week | 16:34 |
| hparekh_ | thanks | 16:34 |
| rakhmerov | #endmeeting | 16:34 |
| ddeja | thanks all! | 16:34 |
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| mgershenzon | thanks bye! | 16:34 |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 11 16:34:26 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:34 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/mistral/2016/mistral.2016-07-11-16.04.html | 16:34 |
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| ryanpetrello | #startmeeting astara | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 11 18:00:12 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ryanpetrello. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'astara' | 18:00 |
| markmcclain | o/ | 18:00 |
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| ryanpetrello | adam_g rods | 18:01 |
| ryanpetrello | o/ | 18:01 |
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| ryanpetrello | not much on my end - got a bug fix squashed that was affecting a customer of ours last week | 18:02 |
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| rods | o/ | 18:02 |
| rods | not much from me | 18:02 |
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| markmcclain | ah.. nothing from me | 18:02 |
| ryanpetrello | nothing else new to report here - newton 2 is this week | 18:02 |
| ryanpetrello | so I'll probably be cutting releases in the next day or so | 18:03 |
| markmcclain | cool | 18:03 |
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| ryanpetrello | okay, calling it then | 18:03 |
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| * regXboi listens for the intro music | 20:58 | |
| dougwig | o/ | 20:58 |
| armax | regXboi: hang on | 20:58 |
| johndperkins | hi | 20:58 |
| armax | regXboi: you unleashed a beast | 20:58 |
| armax | now I am busy | 20:58 |
| boden | howdy o/ | 20:58 |
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| johnsom | o/ | 20:59 |
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| Sam-I-Am | yo | 20:59 |
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| regXboi | armax: I've got another beast to chase today as well :) | 20:59 |
| sbelous | hi there | 20:59 |
| yamahata | hello | 21:00 |
| annp | Hello | 21:00 |
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| hichihara | hi | 21:00 |
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| armax | #startmeeting networking | 21:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 11 21:00:23 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is armax. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 21:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 21:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: networking)" | 21:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'networking' | 21:00 |
| blogan | hello | 21:00 |
| njohnston | o/ | 21:00 |
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| mlavalle | o/ | 21:00 |
| HenryG | o/ | 21:00 |
| Sam-I-Am | yo yo yo | 21:00 |
| * regXboi is still listening for the intro music | 21:00 | |
| regXboi | \o | 21:00 |
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| * ihrachys lurks | 21:00 | |
| dougwig | regXboi: you'll be waiting awhile. | 21:00 |
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| armax | hello to everybody | 21:01 |
| mlavalle | regXboi: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qP-NglUeZU | 21:01 |
| armax | welcome to milestone week | 21:01 |
| armax | agenda for today | 21:01 |
| regXboi | mlavalle: seriously?!?! | 21:02 |
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| armax | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings | 21:02 |
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| dasm | o/ | 21:02 |
| armax | I trust ihrachys is on top of everything, but let’s not digress | 21:02 |
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| armax | #topic Announcements | 21:02 |
| ihrachys | WAT | 21:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: networking)" | 21:02 | |
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| armax | ihrachys: you are the release emperor are you not? | 21:03 |
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| ihrachys | oh ok, not everything. | 21:03 |
| armax | ihrachys: relax | 21:03 |
| armax | ihrachys: your time will come | 21:03 |
| armax | (to freak out) | 21:03 |
| armax | anyhoo | 21:03 |
| armax | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings#Announcements_.2F_Reminders | 21:03 |
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| mlavalle | it is a little too late for ihrachys. He may be stressed out | 21:04 |
| armax | so, a few reminders | 21:04 |
| armax | …kind reminders | 21:04 |
| armax | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/neutron/newton/+assignments | 21:04 |
| armax | if you are on that list | 21:04 |
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| armax | please make sure you do your job | 21:04 |
| armax | as approver | 21:04 |
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| armax | or assignee | 21:05 |
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| armax | which primarily involves reviewing code/specs associated with teh blueprint/RFE | 21:05 |
| * regXboi coninues to play a marotte carrying jester | 21:05 | |
| armax | and update the BP whiteboard to reflect the latest status of the feature | 21:05 |
| armax | let’s make sure that by the end of N-2 we got an updated snapshot of what’s going on | 21:06 |
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| armax | I see that a few things are rather stale | 21:07 |
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| armax | for any questions, please feel free to ask | 21:09 |
| armax | if you are an assignee and your approver doesn’t support you | 21:09 |
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| armax | please reach out and we can figure out a solution together | 21:09 |
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| armax | ok moving on | 21:11 |
| armax | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-July/099046.html | 21:11 |
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| armax | this is a light thread you may want to be aware of | 21:11 |
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| armax | each project has been asked to come up with a project mascot | 21:11 |
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| dougwig | is the mushroom cloud taken yet? | 21:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah | 21:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | hahahaha | 21:12 |
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| armax | as soon as I learn more, I’ll share it with the team so that we can find out a mascot for Neutron | 21:12 |
| dougwig | or a tire on fire? | 21:12 |
| johnsom | Walrus? | 21:12 |
| blogan | http://www.chicagonow.com/art-talk-chicago/files/2011/06/radioactive-man-up-and-atom.png | 21:12 |
| Sam-I-Am | dougwig: you and i were thinking the same thing | 21:12 |
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| njohnston | since a neutron has 2 down and 1 up quark, I thought about something like this: http://imgur.com/9AsnYrP | 21:12 |
| regXboi | njohnston: I was going to say a three-d of that | 21:13 |
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| johnsom | #link http://www.openstack.org/project-mascots | 21:13 |
| regXboi | with u and d and assign colors | 21:13 |
| Sam-I-Am | actually, the logo should have booze somewhere | 21:13 |
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| armax | johnsom: it’s gotta probably an animal or animals that evoke something network-y | 21:13 |
| blogan | redwood trees | 21:13 |
| ihrachys | fish in a net :) | 21:13 |
| johnsom | I was purely kidding... | 21:14 |
| Sam-I-Am | that derailed quickly... | 21:14 |
| armax | I am delighed to see people’s responses on the things that matter our release! | 21:14 |
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| armax | nicely done | 21:14 |
| regXboi | armax: you expected otherwise? | 21:14 |
| * regXboi shakes head | 21:14 | |
| armax | regXboi: of course not | 21:14 |
| njohnston | Why do something productive when we can bikeshed and yak shave AT THE SAME TIME | 21:14 |
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| Sam-I-Am | we bike shed really well | 21:14 |
| armax | regXboi: we should probably have more of these announcements to keep the meetings lively | 21:14 |
| dasm | armax: ++ | 21:14 |
| johnsom | I was streamlining the process by picking an animal that no one will fight us for.... | 21:15 |
| * regXboi rotflmao | 21:15 | |
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| armax | ok | 21:16 |
| armax | let’s move on | 21:16 |
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| Sam-I-Am | next! | 21:16 |
| * Sam-I-Am waits for precious docs | 21:16 | |
| armax | #topic Blueprints | 21:16 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Blueprints (Meeting topic: networking)" | 21:16 | |
| armax | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings#Blueprints | 21:16 |
| regXboi | hey... bugs before docs :) | 21:17 |
| armax | since we’re about to get into the last milestone of the cycle | 21:17 |
| armax | please be aware that things are going to get busier than average, the gate is gonna jam more easily etc | 21:17 |
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| armax | remember that the last week of August is the last useful time to get in your client and lib dependencies in | 21:19 |
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| armax | even though we can stretch ourselves an extra couple of weeks after that as far as Neutron itself goes | 21:19 |
| dougwig | though not with neutron-lib | 21:19 |
| armax | dougwig: neutron-lib included | 21:20 |
| armax | because that goes into g-r | 21:20 |
| armax | anything that doesn’t make into neutron-lib, python-neutronclient, python-openstack-client, oslo-* is likely deferred to Ocata | 21:20 |
| dougwig | as in, we can't stretch n-l. it depends on global requirements changes and such, just like other libs. | 21:20 |
| armax | unless there’s a good reason for it | 21:20 |
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| armax | also if your pending work has DB schema changes and API changes | 21:21 |
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| armax | please make sure you flag them ahead of time to your approver or the PTL, whether I happen to be both or not :) | 21:22 |
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| armax | any question? | 21:23 |
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| armax | looks like we’re square | 21:24 |
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| armax | let’s sse how many of us are gonna get bitten by this | 21:24 |
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| armax | #topic Bugs | 21:24 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bugs (Meeting topic: networking)" | 21:24 | |
| armax | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Network/Meetings#Bugs_and_Gate_failures | 21:25 |
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| armax | there are a few gate failures | 21:26 |
| armax | #link v | 21:26 |
| armax | #undo | 21:26 |
| openstack | Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Link object at 0x7f5bc000d3d0> | 21:26 |
| armax | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bugs?field.tag=gate-failure | 21:26 |
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| armax | some of them look stale | 21:27 |
| johnsom | The DIB one is really stale | 21:27 |
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| armax | if you’re the deputy, please make sure to have a look at http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/data/uncategorized.html to see if there are new ones to be reported | 21:27 |
| blogan | ill be bug deputy for the rest of this week | 21:28 |
| armax | blogan: thanks | 21:29 |
| armax | the functional job looks it’s acting up again | 21:29 |
| armax | #link http://grafana.openstack.org/dashboard/db/neutron-failure-rate?panelId=6&fullscreen | 21:29 |
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| armax | also sc68cal | 21:30 |
| armax | is proposing grenade+dvr voting in the gate | 21:30 |
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| ihrachys | ++ for getting it sooner than later in the cycle | 21:30 |
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| armax | the dvr multinode compared to the non dvr one seems a bit more edgy | 21:31 |
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| armax | the long term plan is to drop the non-dvr multi jobs in the gate so it’d be nice to see whether there’s soemthing to worry about | 21:31 |
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| armax | now that we’re going into N-3 | 21:32 |
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| armax | please be particularly careful about reports/patches that deprecate or touch config options | 21:32 |
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| armax | these need a release note typically | 21:33 |
| dasm | what is the rule of thumb? every time when something gets deprecated or removed, it's needed to have reno? | 21:33 |
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| armax | I’d say yes | 21:34 |
| armax | we want to be careful on how we message the change to our users | 21:34 |
| armax | one more thing | 21:35 |
| * regXboi wanders out early to run errands before stores close | 21:35 | |
| armax | typically a DocImpact may be redundant if we have a release note added | 21:35 |
| Sam-I-Am | regXboi: you live in the middle of nowhere? :) | 21:35 |
| * regXboi waves as he sneaks out | 21:36 | |
| Sam-I-Am | depends on the nature of the patch | 21:36 |
| regXboi | Sam-I-Am: store closes at 5:30 pm | 21:36 |
| Sam-I-Am | release notes are not docs | 21:36 |
| armax | DocImpact in commit message generates a bug in the docs | 21:36 |
| armax | project | 21:36 |
| armax | my point being | 21:36 |
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| hichihara | Do we need reno when removing something according with deprecation? | 21:36 |
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| Sam-I-Am | we could make rel notes a lot more informative, but that requires me (or someone in docs) keeping up with them | 21:37 |
| armax | if you think the change requires changes to the docs, then make sure you fix the doc bug too :) | 21:37 |
| armax | or help the bug triage process | 21:37 |
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| armax | hichihara: adding a note in the patch and take it out afterwards is better than not having it at all | 21:38 |
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| armax | any comment/question? | 21:38 |
| armax | we got covered for bug deputy for next week thanks to mlavalle | 21:39 |
| hichihara | armax: I got it. | 21:39 |
| armax | we’re still drowning a bit | 21:39 |
| mlavalle | armax: yes, I am on the hook next week | 21:39 |
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| armax | since Newton started we have 700+ bugs filed and <300 fixed | 21:39 |
| Sam-I-Am | i'm always here if you're wondering if something needs docs | 21:39 |
| armax | Sam-I-Am: ack | 21:39 |
| armax | someone wants to volunteer for the week of the 25th? | 21:40 |
| dougwig | i'll be fishing in alaska, so i'd be a bad choice that week. :) | 21:40 |
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| Sam-I-Am | dougwig: satellite wifi, sir :) | 21:40 |
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| Sam-I-Am | youcannotescape | 21:41 |
| njohnston | I'll be sheep-wrangling at the county fair, so I'll have to wait for August | 21:41 |
| armax | dougwig: what Sam-I-Am said :) | 21:41 |
| Sam-I-Am | njohnston: isnt that what we do here? | 21:41 |
| armax | ok let’s move on | 21:41 |
| dougwig | heh, i've done it 3 times already, but i'll cover if no one else steps up. | 21:41 |
| armax | #topic Docs | 21:41 |
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| Sam-I-Am | hey! | 21:41 |
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| Sam-I-Am | so, i was off for two weeks... and actually stayed away from the computer | 21:41 |
| armax | Sam-I-Am: your thread doesn’t seem was very well received | 21:41 |
| armax | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-July/099012.html | 21:42 |
| Sam-I-Am | so thing kind of stalled a bit | 21:42 |
| armax | at least so far | 21:42 |
| Sam-I-Am | armax: yeah, i know :/ | 21:42 |
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| Sam-I-Am | however, neutron is a great example (that i've been using with other PTLs) about how we can all make docs work | 21:42 |
| armax | so I assume the marching order for now is to keep docs changes targeting openstack-manuals? | 21:42 |
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| Sam-I-Am | yeah, for now. for neutron it'd be easy to move the networking guide in-tree. | 21:42 |
| armax | Sam-I-Am: pace will pick up as soon as we get after FF | 21:42 |
| armax | Sam-I-Am: ack | 21:43 |
| Sam-I-Am | neutron is the least of my worries, of course | 21:43 |
| Sam-I-Am | you're setting a great example | 21:43 |
| johnsom | I support this. Octavia is working to put it's docs into the Octavia repo | 21:43 |
| Sam-I-Am | ehhh well :) | 21:43 |
| Sam-I-Am | make sure you at least a patch to the networking guide so people can find those docs | 21:43 |
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| Sam-I-Am | anyway, i'm currently working on fixing up an SFC docs patch | 21:44 |
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| Sam-I-Am | plus i'm still working on rearranging the net guide | 21:44 |
| armax | Sam-I-Am: I am refreshing some instructions here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/335739/ | 21:44 |
| armax | Sam-I-Am: I’ll add details on how to get docs published for stadium projects | 21:44 |
| armax | anything else on docs? | 21:44 |
| Sam-I-Am | excellent | 21:45 |
| armax | we’re running a bit tight | 21:45 |
| Sam-I-Am | not much, just a lot of catch-up right now | 21:45 |
| Sam-I-Am | and of course my email to the dev list | 21:45 |
| armax | ok tanks | 21:45 |
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| armax | thanks | 21:45 |
| armax | #topic transition to OSC | 21:45 |
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| armax | neither amotoki nor rtheis seem around | 21:46 |
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| jckasper | rtheis is out on vacation this week | 21:46 |
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| armax | jckasper: ack | 21:46 |
| armax | change https://review.openstack.org/#/c/309587/ merged | 21:47 |
| njohnston | I filed an OSC blueprint to get all the neutron QoS commands pulled over; I'll work it as soon as they approve it | 21:47 |
| jckasper | back on the 19th I believe. | 21:47 |
| njohnston | #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/python-openstackclient/+spec/neutron-client-qos | 21:47 |
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| armax | ok | 21:48 |
| armax | thanks | 21:48 |
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| armax | #topic Keystone v3 | 21:48 |
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| armax | dasm, HenryG ^ | 21:48 |
| armax | anything worth sharing with the team, patch that needs some love? | 21:48 |
| sbelous | so, i'm here again with the questions about making keystone-v3 job voting :) is there any news? are there a reasons to keep it not-voting? | 21:48 |
| armax | last week I did promise an email to the rest of the team | 21:48 |
| sbelous | may be some additional work is required? i'm ready to help if it needed | 21:49 |
| armax | I did talk with HenryG about it and we have an etherpad up | 21:49 |
| dasm | here. db patch is rolling: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/335786/ | 21:49 |
| HenryG | The next patchset will be very good if all comments are addressed. :) | 21:49 |
| dasm | pretty much high level of failures, but didn't have time to dive into this. will look at this soon. | 21:49 |
| armax | sbelous: it’s probably just getting stuck in review, let’s me look at it one more time | 21:49 |
| armax | HenryG: cool | 21:50 |
| armax | I guess we’re past the major errors | 21:50 |
| sbelous | armax: ok, thanks | 21:50 |
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| HenryG | armax: yes, I think so | 21:50 |
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| armax | ok cool | 21:50 |
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| armax | if you have a patch that may be potentially affected by this transition please reach out to see how we can help | 21:51 |
| armax | #topic neutron-lib | 21:51 |
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| armax | HenryG, dougwig, anything worth sharing? | 21:52 |
| armax | I did post a simple patch this morning | 21:52 |
| dougwig | mostly let's just highlight the reviewing change. | 21:52 |
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| armax | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/340523/ | 21:52 |
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| dougwig | any neutron core can now +2, so everyone is encouraged to start reviewing. | 21:52 |
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| dougwig | the lib has special review guidelines, mostly around backwards compat, that can be found in the docs section. | 21:53 |
| armax | that’s to make sure that once the API and API refs are ported over to Neutron lib these nicely show up in http://developer.openstack.org/api-ref/networking/ | 21:53 |
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| armax | ok | 21:54 |
| armax | #topic Open Discussion | 21:54 |
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| armax | there’s a topic | 21:54 |
| armax | on Feature Classification Framework/Matrix | 21:54 |
| armax | I have been meaning to review it | 21:54 |
| armax | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/318192/ | 21:54 |
| armax | if I can get a couple of eyes over that’d be great | 21:55 |
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| ihrachys | I have something. anything to land before we cut N2? or I am free to go and push a openstack/releases patch? | 21:55 |
| armax | ihrachys: let’s send an email out | 21:56 |
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| ihrachys | ack | 21:56 |
| armax | ihrachys: and then you and I can get together tomorrow to go over the backlog | 21:56 |
| armax | to see what we can push in and what we leave out | 21:56 |
| Sam-I-Am | armax: does it make sense to link the support matrix from the networking guide? | 21:56 |
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| ihrachys | armax: ack. note I am Boston time this week. | 21:56 |
| armax | Sam-I-Am: once the support matrix is well agreed on, yes | 21:56 |
| Sam-I-Am | since it might be useful to operators | 21:57 |
| Sam-I-Am | ok | 21:57 |
| armax | ihrachys: ah so you can work 32 hours a day this week | 21:57 |
| armax | nice | 21:57 |
| ihrachys | right | 21:57 |
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| ihrachys | but not on upstream | 21:57 |
| armax | ihrachys: I feel cheated | 21:57 |
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| armax | ihrachys: oh well, if you can spare a few minutes tomorrow morning, ping me | 21:57 |
| armax | pls | 21:58 |
| ihrachys | ack | 21:58 |
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| armax | ok | 21:58 |
| armax | 2 minutes to the hour | 21:58 |
| armax | anything else anyone would like to add? | 21:58 |
| manjeets_ | armax some old bugs | 21:59 |
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| armax | manjeets_: ? | 21:59 |
| manjeets_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1546910 affecting networking-odl | 21:59 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1546910 in neutron "args pass to securitygroup precommit event should include the complete info" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Manjeet Singh Bhatia (manjeet-s-bhatia) | 21:59 |
| armax | manjeets_: I’ll look into it | 21:59 |
| manjeets_ | patches are up there missing reviews | 21:59 |
| manjeets_ | thanks | 21:59 |
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| armax | #endmeeting | 21:59 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 21:59 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 11 21:59:50 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 21:59 |
| manjeets_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/networking-odl/+bug/1557976 | 21:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2016/networking.2016-07-11-21.00.html | 21:59 |
| armax | thanks folks | 21:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2016/networking.2016-07-11-21.00.txt | 21:59 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2016/networking.2016-07-11-21.00.log.html | 21:59 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1557976 in networking-odl "sg events callback: sg group deleted but the related rules are left" [High,In progress] - Assigned to yalei wang (yalei-wang) | 21:59 |
| dasm | \o yall | 22:00 |
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