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| lbragstad | do we have a doc meeting? | 00:46 |
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| ianychoi | lbragstad, today meeting has been canceled T.T | 01:25 |
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| ianychoi | lbragstad, FYI: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2016-September/009130.html | 01:26 |
| lbragstad | ianychoi ah - I now see that on the mailing list :) | 01:26 |
| ianychoi | Yep.. oh you've already found :) | 01:27 |
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| lbragstad | ianychoi thanks for the ping though! | 01:29 |
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| ianychoi | lbragstad, np :) | 01:31 |
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| therve | #startmeeting heat | 08:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 21 08:03:20 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is therve. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 08:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 08:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: heat)" | 08:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'heat' | 08:03 |
| therve | #topic Roll call | 08:03 |
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| ramishra | hi | 08:03 |
| stevebaker | \o | 08:03 |
| ricolin | o/ | 08:03 |
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| huangtianhua | hi | 08:04 |
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| duvarenkov | hi | 08:04 |
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| elynn | o/ | 08:05 |
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| therve | #topic Adding items to agenda | 08:06 |
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| therve | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/HeatAgenda#Agenda_.282016-09-21_0800_UTC.29 | 08:06 |
| skraynev | 0/ | 08:06 |
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| therve | #topic RC2 status | 08:07 |
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| therve | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/heat+branch:stable/newton | 08:07 |
| therve | This is some remaining backports for RC2 | 08:07 |
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| therve | Do we have any master patches that still need to go in? | 08:08 |
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| stevebaker | I'm not aware of any that haven't been proposed | 08:08 |
| stevebaker | to stable | 08:08 |
| stevebaker | like these https://review.openstack.org/#/c/373615/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/373518/ | 08:09 |
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| therve | I'm interested in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/372804/ | 08:10 |
| therve | If someone could have a look that'd be great | 08:10 |
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| therve | No other request? | 08:11 |
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| stevebaker | I've just proposed a python-heatclient-1.5.0, for tripleo | 08:12 |
| therve | OK cool | 08:12 |
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| therve | It looks like we're in okay shape then. We can propose rc2 early next week. | 08:12 |
| therve | #topic Gate status | 08:13 |
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| therve | ramishra, Let me guess: neutron breakage | 08:13 |
| ramishra | It's been ok since a few hours back. | 08:13 |
| ramishra | therve: actually openstacksdk change. | 08:13 |
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| ramishra | I mean new version | 08:14 |
| therve | ramishra, Is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/373850/ necessary? | 08:14 |
| stevebaker | I didn't even realise openstackclient was using openstacksdk | 08:14 |
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| ramishra | therve: getting a new osc release would take time I think | 08:14 |
| ramishra | if we are ok with it, then we can wait for it. | 08:15 |
| therve | stevebaker, turtles all the way down | 08:15 |
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| therve | Let's just approve that | 08:15 |
| stevebaker | I mean, I'm not against it | 08:15 |
| therve | I don't give a crap if it works :) | 08:15 |
| therve | Anyway | 08:16 |
| therve | Regarding the gate, it feels we had a couple of good days | 08:16 |
| therve | But intermittent failures got back it seems | 08:16 |
| therve | Maybe it was just infra being in slightly better shape | 08:16 |
| therve | Moving on | 08:17 |
| ramishra | I've raised a new bug for SDG test, stevebaker if you have some clue what's going on. | 08:17 |
| ramishra | https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1625921 | 08:17 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1625921 in heat "SoftwareDeploymentGroupTest fails at times with TimeoutException" [Medium,New] | 08:17 |
| stevebaker | ramishra: OK, I'll take a look tomorrow unless you get there first | 08:18 |
| therve | I'll have a quick look too | 08:18 |
| ramishra | stevebaker: I had a look this morning. No idea why signals to resources are ignored. | 08:18 |
| ramishra | no errors | 08:18 |
| therve | #topic Quota validation spec | 08:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Quota validation spec (Meeting topic: heat)" | 08:19 | |
| therve | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/371910/ | 08:19 |
| therve | duvarenkov, for you I suppose | 08:19 |
| duvarenkov | yeah | 08:19 |
| ricolin_afk | duvarenkov: for cinder quota, we already have a version of quota validation merged | 08:20 |
| therve | So like all validation, I'm concerned about duplicating info from other services | 08:20 |
| therve | How do you retrieve quota info? | 08:20 |
| ricolin_afk | duvarenkov: is that that what you refering? | 08:20 |
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| duvarenkov | I'll look about cinder quota validation | 08:21 |
| duvarenkov | Didnt know about it | 08:21 |
| duvarenkov | therve, I suppose, from service client | 08:21 |
| therve | ricolin_afk, Doesn't that just validation quota update? | 08:22 |
| therve | I mean, does it check we create a volume for example? | 08:22 |
| ricolin_afk | therve: yes it is | 08:22 |
| prazumovsky | ricolin_afk: could you share, where we have quota validation? Or you mean quota resource validation? In that case, no, it's like separate pre-create validation, which calculate, is stack exceeds quota or not | 08:23 |
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| ramishra | IMO, the idea is good, use the quota api from services to check requirement vs availability during validation. | 08:23 |
| ricolin_afk | prazumovsky: I only mean a quota validation for cinder::quota resource | 08:24 |
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| therve | ricolin_afk, Right, here we're talking about checking quota when you create a resource | 08:24 |
| ricolin_afk | that's why I'm asking what we're looking at for quota | 08:24 |
| duvarenkov | <ricolin_afk>: No, thats not the idea of the spec | 08:24 |
| duvarenkov | Its whole stack validation, not just one resource | 08:24 |
| shardy | does pre-create validation of quota really mean anything? You've not got any way to know if the same quota exists when the stack is actually instantiated? | 08:24 |
| shardy | seems like a runtime thing to me, so you can fail-fast before starting the stack create | 08:25 |
| ricolin_afk | duvarenkov: got it | 08:25 |
| ramishra | shardy: +1, good pint | 08:25 |
| therve | Yeah, it's highly racy | 08:26 |
| duvarenkov | Don't quite understand. Some quota is always existent. | 08:26 |
| duvarenkov | By cinder quota resource we can just change it | 08:26 |
| therve | duvarenkov, Once you got the quota, it may have already changed | 08:26 |
| therve | There is no transactional information | 08:26 |
| therve | You may prevent from creating stacks that would succeed, and let validate stacks that will fail | 08:27 |
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| shardy | Even on create it's racy, if you create multiple stacks concurrently | 08:27 |
| shardy | because quota doesn't allow for reservations | 08:27 |
| duvarenkov | Yes, I think you are right | 08:28 |
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| shardy | so you could argue it's best to just to even try to validate, and just let the last unlucky stack fail when the quota is exceeded | 08:28 |
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| ricolin_afk | shardy: agree | 08:28 |
| shardy | not even try to validate I mean | 08:28 |
| therve | It may be interesting for preview | 08:28 |
| shardy | yeah, perhaps for preview it could be useful | 08:29 |
| duvarenkov | Can you, please, share your thoughts in comments for review? We'll think about pros and cons | 08:29 |
| shardy | most of the preview results aren't accurate anyway ;) | 08:29 |
| therve | Right :) | 08:29 |
| therve | OK, moving on | 08:29 |
| therve | #topic Open discussion | 08:29 |
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| shardy | I had one question, following on from the validation topic above | 08:30 |
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| therve | Shoot | 08:30 |
| shardy | Has anyone given any further thought to how we solve the problem of nested validation, where a required parameter in a nested template can't know if any value will/would be passed from the parent? | 08:30 |
| shardy | ramishra: I remember we talked about it fairly recently | 08:31 |
| shardy | I'm not sure if there's a bug, but it was a known issue from when I worked on the implementation with jdob | 08:31 |
| shardy | and was somewhat discussed in austin: | 08:31 |
| shardy | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-newton-validation-improvements | 08:31 |
| ricolin_afk | shardy: for https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1559807 | 08:31 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1559807 in heat "Some intrinsic functions fail when referencing get_attr" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Steven Hardy (shardy) | 08:31 |
| shardy | It's become something of a headache for TripleO | 08:31 |
| ricolin_afk | shardy: I'm target about it | 08:31 |
| ricolin_afk | shardy: include nested or not | 08:32 |
| ramishra | shardy: I had the impression that someone is working on it after the last summit discussion. | 08:32 |
| therve | shardy, I don't remember talking about that specific issue during the session | 08:32 |
| ricolin_afk | shardy: and for nested stack, I have some poc for considering centerlize validate for resource group | 08:32 |
| shardy | ricolin_afk: Yeah, it's quite closely related to that | 08:33 |
| ricolin_afk | shardy: Is that what you needed? | 08:33 |
| ramishra | therve: I aslso assumed it's part of the overall validation improvement topic. | 08:33 |
| shardy | therve: basically my problem will be fixed when we pass around a placeholder object, instead of None during validation | 08:33 |
| shardy | so I think it was indirectly discussed | 08:34 |
| therve | Ah, okay | 08:34 |
| shardy | I'll check the bugs and raise one specific to validation tho | 08:34 |
| therve | That'd be cool, not sure I understand the specifics of your problem | 08:35 |
| therve | I don't think anyone started working on the placeholder thing | 08:35 |
| ricolin_afk | We simply seperate validate and real creation by passing place holder | 08:35 |
| shardy | therve: ack, that's basically what I wanted to confirm | 08:36 |
| therve | "simply" :) | 08:36 |
| shardy | be good to figure out a way to fix that for Ocata | 08:36 |
| therve | I think we figured out the way, just need to push the idea | 08:36 |
| therve | Hopefully once release craziness settles down we can find some time | 08:36 |
| shardy | +1 | 08:37 |
| shardy | thanks | 08:37 |
| therve | ramishra, BTW, when do you take over? :) | 08:37 |
| stevebaker | ramishra: congrats by the way | 08:37 |
| ramishra | therve: you can continue as long as you want:) | 08:37 |
| shardy | +1 thanks for volunteering ramishra | 08:37 |
| therve | ramishra, So yesterday? :p | 08:38 |
| ramishra | thanks shardy stevebaker | 08:38 |
| therve | But yeah congrats! | 08:38 |
| therve | I think I'll do next meeting, and rc2, and give you the keys to the castle | 08:38 |
| ramishra | I think this is the election week, once the results are out;) | 08:38 |
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| therve | Sounds good :) | 08:39 |
| therve | Anything else? | 08:39 |
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| therve | Alright, thanks all! | 08:40 |
| therve | #endmeeting heat | 08:40 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 21 08:40:27 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 08:40 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2016/heat.2016-09-21-08.03.html | 08:40 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2016/heat.2016-09-21-08.03.txt | 08:40 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2016/heat.2016-09-21-08.03.log.html | 08:40 |
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| prazumovsky | bye | 08:40 |
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| BobBall | #startmeeting XenAPI | 09:32 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 21 09:32:21 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is BobBall. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 09:32 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 09:32 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 09:32 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'xenapi' | 09:32 |
| BobBall | johnthetubaguy: ping :) | 09:32 |
| jianghuaw | Good morning BobBall and johnthetubaguy. | 09:33 |
| jianghuaw | Good afternoon, Huan. | 09:33 |
| BobBall | Afternoon jianghuaw | 09:33 |
| BobBall | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/XenAPI | 09:33 |
| BobBall | #topic Blueprints | 09:33 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Blueprints (Meeting topic: XenAPI)" | 09:33 | |
| BobBall | Right - so Ocata is open! | 09:33 |
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| BobBall | New priorities tracking link: | 09:33 |
| huanxie | hi all | 09:34 |
| BobBall | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-nova-priorities-tracking | 09:34 |
| BobBall | Could you check that blueprints we want approved in Ocata are in the list | 09:34 |
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| BobBall | In particular I think we have a spec-less BP for vif plug which is not on the list? | 09:34 |
| BobBall | We should also have a spec-less BP for XenAPI's implementation of device tagging | 09:35 |
| huanxie | Yes, I will add it to the list | 09:35 |
| BobBall | but John Hua is on vacation today | 09:35 |
| BobBall | I will ask him to add it | 09:35 |
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| BobBall | huanxie: Just a point; we need the spec to be approved *before* the code is ready to be reviewed by nova core | 09:35 |
| BobBall | so if the VIF hotplug spec has not yet been approved, the code review shouldn't be in that list | 09:36 |
| huanxie | BobBall, there is a BP for it so I didn't create a new one | 09:36 |
| johnthetubaguy | are you sure thats the right place to put those? I thought spec less BPs should be added to the meeting agenda | 09:36 |
| BobBall | huanxie: Is it an Ocata BP? | 09:36 |
| BobBall | johnthetubaguy: I'm sure you know better than me :) | 09:37 |
| huanxie | No, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack/?searchtext=xenapi-vif-hotplug | 09:37 |
| huanxie | I see johnthetubaguy raised a BP for VIF hot plug, so I just use that one | 09:37 |
| BobBall | Ah, I see - this is one of johnthetubaguy's 3 year old BPs :) | 09:38 |
| BobBall | johnthetubaguy: does this need a spec now? or do you think this is OK for spec-less? | 09:38 |
| huanxie | Should I use this BP or I create a new one? | 09:38 |
| BobBall | I'd assume spec-less as it's a very well understood requirement | 09:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | spec-less seems OK | 09:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | its a "me too" feature | 09:38 |
| johnthetubaguy | there was code up for that BP too, somewhere | 09:39 |
| BobBall | OK - so we'll put that on the next nova meeting agenda | 09:39 |
| BobBall | Indeed; and huanxie has already adapted that and proved it works with the new code structure. | 09:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I think thats the best way to get us to decide the way forward on that | 09:39 |
| johnthetubaguy | cool | 09:39 |
| BobBall | The next BP we want is one for os-xenapi | 09:39 |
| huanxie | yes, with that patch it can pass tempest and manual test | 09:39 |
| BobBall | jianghuaw is currently investigating this one and we'll get a spec + BP up as soon as we can | 09:39 |
| BobBall | But, as a first push, I think we want to move session code and dom0 plugins to os-xenapi | 09:40 |
| BobBall | Both are used by multiple projects (nova, neutron, ceilometer) and so it makes sense to clean up Nova as well by removing the Python 2.4 code | 09:40 |
| jianghuaw | yes, the plan is to move the xenapi plugins to os-xenapi also. | 09:41 |
| BobBall | Thoughts johnthetubaguy? Good pair of things to move, anything else you think we should push to move in the first instance? | 09:41 |
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| BobBall | ping for johnthetubaguy :) | 09:43 |
| BobBall | We may have lost johnthetubaguy | 09:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | sorry, distracted | 09:44 |
| BobBall | Anything else we should cover? | 09:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | I think moving the plugins is a good start | 09:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | its worth starting small | 09:44 |
| johnthetubaguy | and folks will like those plugins going away from the nova tree | 09:45 |
| BobBall | I really want to move a bunch of the session code too because we're using that in Neutron and Ceilometer - but very badly in those two projects | 09:45 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, +1 on that being the next thing to move | 09:45 |
| BobBall | Nova's XenAPI session handling is comparatively light years ahead | 09:45 |
| johnthetubaguy | I mean move nova's into the lib, then later we stop using nova's | 09:46 |
| johnthetubaguy | I guess its good to have real code in the lib, so thats a good starting point | 09:46 |
| BobBall | Absolutely. | 09:46 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I buy that, seems like a good start | 09:46 |
| BobBall | OK - huanxie / jianghuaw - Anything I've forgotten on the spec/BP front? | 09:47 |
| huanxie | none for me | 09:47 |
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| BobBall | OK | 09:47 |
| BobBall | #topic Reviews | 09:47 |
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| BobBall | Is there anything stuck? | 09:47 |
| BobBall | I saw yesterday that some of the UT code has been merged jianghuaw | 09:48 |
| BobBall | along with the bandwidth vif fix, so that's good | 09:48 |
| jianghuaw | yes. | 09:48 |
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| jianghuaw | and also hope this one will be approved soon: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/366825/ - Use raw disk format as default when create image with glance v2 | 09:48 |
| johnthetubaguy | I guess pick the top 4 or 5 and get them into the etherpad | 09:48 |
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| BobBall | There are a bunch in the etherpad of course - but with the etherpad being so huge it's proving to not be a good way to push for reviews | 09:49 |
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| johnthetubaguy | yep, we are talking about just deleting the non-priority things really | 09:50 |
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| johnthetubaguy | there was that review board idea, but not sure that saw traction | 09:50 |
| johnthetubaguy | we basically don't have enough folks reviewing code right now, people are just not stepping up there | 09:50 |
| BobBall | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/299092/ is a good example - has been in the etherpad for ages and is a trivial fix - but I think you were the only core to look at it, and that was last checked a month ago | 09:51 |
| johnthetubaguy | trying to spread the idea of doing at least 5 code reviews for every patchset (not review) you upload | 09:51 |
| BobBall | Indeed | 09:51 |
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| johnthetubaguy | well, the last month is a bad example, becusase everyone should be focused on rc critical stuff | 09:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | so thats quite correct | 09:52 |
| johnthetubaguy | last few days we are opened back up a bit, obviously | 09:52 |
| BobBall | Unfortunately without a tool to enforce that and track progress against it - for example a way to ensure that reviews done have some impact on getting reviews on the changes you care about - it's hard to justify deep reviews | 09:53 |
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| johnthetubaguy | there is no simple way to spot a good review | 09:54 |
| BobBall | It's great for the community in general (hopefully) of course - but justifying it to managers it's just effort that goes into a black hole - possibly in entirely the wrong direction - with no return on the time spent | 09:54 |
| johnthetubaguy | right, we have made it offical policy that it should be done, and why it needs doing | 09:54 |
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| johnthetubaguy | if there is any more I can write down for you to get permission, do shout up | 09:54 |
| BobBall | Where is that policy documented? | 09:54 |
| BobBall | It's not about more documentation, just that the traceability of "doing more reviews" is precisely zero currently | 09:55 |
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| johnthetubaguy | well, thats not true, we can trace *some* reviews very quickly | 09:55 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/nova/how_to_get_involved.html#why-do-code-reviews-if-i-am-not-in-nova-core | 09:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | so reading through that, its not forceful enough | 09:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | we could make it more forceful | 09:56 |
| BobBall | As we've discussed before, even if we do 10 reviews for every patchset uploaded, there is no feedback mechanism for effort to be directed to the things we care about | 09:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | #link http://docs.openstack.org/developer/nova/how_to_get_involved.html#how-do-i-get-my-feature-in | 09:56 |
| johnthetubaguy | right, thats not really the point | 09:57 |
| johnthetubaguy | if everyone does 10 reviews, there is a way smaller queue, and loads of patches ready to merge, so the core time can be more wisely spent | 09:57 |
| BobBall | Nah - the problem with that is that random reviews speed up overall velocity, great, but if the overall velocity is 99% in favour of libvirt changes (for example) then the impact of doing more reviews on changes where we want some reviews is virtually zero | 09:57 |
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| BobBall | Absolutely - but my point is that the vast majority of that core time is still focused on their own priorities / nova priorities which are for the most part focused around libvirt | 09:59 |
| BobBall | Also, the nova queue is *huge* and so random reviews, rather than targetted ones, are most likely to hit changes that would unlikely to be reviewed by core reviewers anyway | 10:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | true, but we are currently swamped by that stuff, so its hard to make time for the other stuff | 10:00 |
| BobBall | But, we're getting too detailed. | 10:00 |
| BobBall | I'm very much looking forward to the rest of the Newton retrospective and the discussion of permitting non-core +2's in particular subtrees scheduled for Barcelona | 10:00 |
| johnthetubaguy | we don't see folks reviews enough to build up the trust right now for that to happen | 10:01 |
| johnthetubaguy | I want it to happen, but its just not happening right now | 10:02 |
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| BobBall | I presume you know about the discussion proposed for Barcelona and the posts to openstack-dev on this subject in the last few days? | 10:02 |
| johnthetubaguy | btw, one one of these was lib-virt specific, one of them only happened in libvirt so far, but its not specific: http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/nova-specs/priorities/newton-priorities.html | 10:03 |
| johnthetubaguy | I know about the etherpad, not followed the latest threads | 10:03 |
| BobBall | Fair enough - well - it looks like some other core reviewers think that such a model is justifiable now | 10:04 |
| BobBall | And I should have been clearer - rather than being libvirt specific, my point is that there are specialised sections (such as XenAPI) which could be argued to be that 1% of developer effort | 10:05 |
| johnthetubaguy | yeah, I have been campaigning for it for years, the problem is building up the trust relationship to make it happen | 10:05 |
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| BobBall | Thankfully the proposal seems to suggest that the level of "trust" in the reviews doesn't have to be huge - suggesting that only core reviewers could +A and with a banhammer in easy reach | 10:07 |
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| BobBall | Therefore the impact on a bad +2 from a subsystem maintainer is small as the core is likely not to +2 really bad/incomplete changes - as long as you trust your cores | 10:08 |
| BobBall | Anyway - we have over-run today | 10:09 |
| BobBall | Is there anything more to cover? | 10:09 |
| BobBall | Awesome. | 10:10 |
| BobBall | Thanks all! | 10:10 |
| jianghuaw | none from me. thanks. | 10:10 |
| BobBall | #endmeeting | 10:10 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 21 10:10:21 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 10:10 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2016/xenapi.2016-09-21-09.32.html | 10:10 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2016/xenapi.2016-09-21-09.32.txt | 10:10 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/xenapi/2016/xenapi.2016-09-21-09.32.log.html | 10:10 |
| huanxie | Thanks all | 10:10 |
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| tonyb | #startmeeting requirements | 12:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 21 12:00:18 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tonyb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 12:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 12:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'requirements' | 12:00 |
| tonyb | #topic rollcall | 12:00 |
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| dirk | o/ | 12:00 |
| * tonyb waves at coolsvap | 12:00 | |
| tonyb | and dirk | 12:00 |
| coolsvap | o/ | 12:00 |
| coolsvap | hello tonyb o/ | 12:01 |
| coolsvap | hello dirk o/ | 12:01 |
| tonyb | :) | 12:01 |
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| tonyb | I'm not sure we'll get prometheanfire today | 12:02 |
| tonyb | so it make just be the 3 of us ... | 12:02 |
| tonyb | #topic Any controversies in the Queue? | 12:03 |
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| coolsvap | yes i think he's not well | 12:03 |
| tonyb | anyone? | 12:03 |
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| prometheanfire | hi | 12:03 |
| tonyb | Oh speak of prometheanfire ;P | 12:03 |
| tonyb | ... in a good way | 12:04 |
| coolsvap | prometheanfire: hey | 12:04 |
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| tonyb | So anything open on master we need to talk about? | 12:04 |
| coolsvap | we have merged lot of things today | 12:04 |
| coolsvap | nothing that i am aware of | 12:04 |
| tonyb | coolsvap: Yeah quite a few things :) | 12:05 |
| tonyb | There is a potential FFE/Backport coming for python-heatclient but I don't have a lot of information there. | 12:05 |
| tonyb | The generate-constraints update is very red :( | 12:06 |
| tonyb | which probably isn't surprising after so long not merging it ... it's a big one | 12:06 |
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| dirk | do we want to split it a bit? | 12:08 |
| tonyb | Does anyone have time to break it up into smaller chunks to get some of it merged? | 12:08 |
| tonyb | dirk: snap ... sort of | 12:08 |
| dirk | how do I do that? | 12:09 |
| dirk | I can spend a bit of time on it I guess | 12:09 |
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| tonyb | dirk: I'd certinaly remove anythign that we have another chnage ie tenacity, gabbi etc | 12:10 |
| number80 | o/ | 12:10 |
| tonyb | and anything openstack (tripleo-common. DIB) | 12:10 |
| tonyb | and then see what the gate looks like | 12:10 |
| tonyb | it's fairly new so we have ~20 hours to get it into a mergable state before it get clobbered | 12:11 |
| dirk | tonyb: ok, I'll give it a shot. I'll first remove the openstack bits | 12:11 |
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| dirk | the error message about missing yaml doesn't make entire sense to me | 12:11 |
| tonyb | dirk: Thanks. | 12:11 |
| prometheanfire | I won't have time to split it like I normally do today, busy day | 12:11 |
| tonyb | prometheanfire: Will you have time to take a look at it if dirk does the splitting? | 12:13 |
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| prometheanfire | ofc | 12:14 |
| tonyb | prometheanfire: dirk: cool thanks. | 12:14 |
| tonyb | Hmm this is second time I've seen that the infra mirrors are out of sync with pypi :( | 12:14 |
| tonyb | moving on? | 12:15 |
| prometheanfire | +1 | 12:15 |
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| coolsvap | yes | 12:15 |
| tonyb | #topic Master is open | 12:16 |
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| dirk | hurray | 12:16 |
| tonyb | Well I guess that isn't really a topic as such and we kinda covered it | 12:16 |
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| tonyb | We merged a lot today but I'd like to be a little more sedate for the next few days if we can do that ... | 12:17 |
| tonyb | I know it's hard when we've accumulated a backlog | 12:17 |
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| tonyb | #topic Barcelona Design Summit | 12:18 |
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| tonyb | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/requirements-ocata-summit_ideas | 12:18 |
| tonyb | Please put your ideas in there | 12:18 |
| tonyb | I think lower bounds testsing is going to be a big push | 12:18 |
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| prometheanfire | yep, that's the big thing I'd like to see this cycle at least | 12:18 |
| tonyb | We have one session which is Thur 3:30-4:10 ATM | 12:19 |
| tonyb | prometheanfire: dhellmann has some ideas that I'm trying to digest. | 12:19 |
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| tonyb | I was going for a much smaller increment than his suggestion ... but we can aim high ;P | 12:20 |
| prometheanfire | ya, we talked about it a few days ago, between the bug and the two etherpads there are a good amount of ideas | 12:20 |
| dirk | tonyb: I am personally a big fan of aim low and iterate fast :) | 12:20 |
| prometheanfire | #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-requirements/+bug/1623571 | 12:20 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1623571 in OpenStack Global Requirements "lower-constraints blueprint idea dumping ground" [Undecided,New] | 12:20 |
| tonyb | dirk: :) | 12:20 |
| prometheanfire | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-requirements-notes | 12:21 |
| prometheanfire | one etherpad, not two | 12:21 |
| tonyb | prometheanfire: Thanks. I hadn't seen that bug | 12:21 |
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| prometheanfire | dirk: I personally like that too, if that method is appropriate | 12:21 |
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| tonyb | The idea of mixing lower-constraints with relaxed requirements management (divergent management?) is the thing that concerens me | 12:23 |
| tonyb | rigth now I think of them differently the aim of both is being more user friendly but .... | 12:24 |
| tonyb | anyway I need to make some time to ride a bike and thing about them befoer Barcelona | 12:24 |
| prometheanfire | ya, the combined method can still be devided up though | 12:25 |
| prometheanfire | anyway, stuff to think and talk about | 12:26 |
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| tonyb | prometheanfire: sure, as long as the endgame is aligned | 12:26 |
| tonyb | #topic Tasks from Etherpad | 12:26 |
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| tonyb | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/requirements-tasks | 12:26 |
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| tonyb | Nothing more to say there really. I think we can move the "spin out team" item to done (and just leave a new item for define electorate | 12:28 |
| prometheanfire | no update | 12:28 |
| prometheanfire | that sounds good | 12:28 |
| tonyb | I'm pretty sure item 1 is done also | 12:29 |
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| tonyb | with the py27-with-constraints job | 12:29 |
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| tonyb | perhaps there is a need to extend that out to py35 | 12:29 |
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| tonyb | #topic Open Discussion | 12:30 |
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| tonyb | go forth and discuss openly .... | 12:31 |
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| tonyb | :) | 12:32 |
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| dirk | seriously, I have no topics right now. | 12:34 |
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| prometheanfire | ya, me neither | 12:34 |
| tonyb | so odyssey4me is asking for reviews on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/373192/ | 12:34 |
| tonyb | that's abut all I have .... | 12:34 |
| dirk | ah, didn't look at that | 12:35 |
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| tonyb | Yeah I sware it wasn't there today when I thought I reviewed everythign open on master | 12:35 |
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| tonyb | anyway I think we're done for this meeting | 12:36 |
| prometheanfire | yep | 12:36 |
| tonyb | we can chat in #openstack-requirements or sleep or drink whatever you like | 12:37 |
| tonyb | Thanks all | 12:37 |
| tonyb | #endmeeting | 12:37 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 21 12:37:18 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 12:37 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2016/requirements.2016-09-21-12.00.html | 12:37 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/requirements/2016/requirements.2016-09-21-12.00.txt | 12:37 |
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| joehuang | hello | 13:01 |
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| zhiyuan | hi | 13:01 |
| dongfeng | hi | 13:01 |
| Yipei | hello | 13:01 |
| joehuang | #startmeeting tricircle | 13:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 21 13:01:20 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is joehuang. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:01 |
| yinxiulin | hi | 13:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:01 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'tricircle' | 13:01 |
| joehuang | #topic rollcall | 13:01 |
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| joehuang | #info joehuang | 13:01 |
| Guest90275 | #info shiyangkai | 13:01 |
| zhiyuan | #info zhiyuan | 13:01 |
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| dongfeng | #info dongfeng | 13:02 |
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| joehuang | #topic freeze date | 13:02 |
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| joehuang | hello, as you know the Newton release is approaching | 13:03 |
| liuzeyu | #info liuzeyu | 13:03 |
| joehuang | it's around Oct.15 for Nova/Cinder/Neutron | 13:03 |
| joehuang | so we need to define our freeze date now | 13:03 |
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| joehuang | i.e, the deadline for the patch to be merged in Newton release for Tricircle | 13:04 |
| joehuang | after that no new pacth will be merged in Tricircle for newton release unless exception approved by PTL | 13:05 |
| joehuang | and we need to leave some time to prepare Newton tricircle release, for example, release note, devstack change, etc | 13:05 |
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| joehuang | what about your proposals? | 13:06 |
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| zhiyuan | maybe two weeks before the Nova/Cinder/Neutron deadline | 13:07 |
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| joehuang | make sense | 13:08 |
| joehuang | that means before Chinese Oct.1 public holidy | 13:08 |
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| joehuang | other proposal? | 13:09 |
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| Yipei | before Oct. 1 +1 | 13:10 |
| joehuang | I think you guy all want a relax holiday :) | 13:11 |
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| Guest90275 | Oct.1 +1 | 13:11 |
| zhiyuan | that's right :) | 13:11 |
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| yinxiulin | oct.1 +1 | 13:11 |
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| joehuang | ok, so let's define the freeze date as Sept.30, so you can enjoy your holiday without worry about your patch | 13:12 |
| joehuang | #info freeze date Sept.30 | 13:13 |
| joehuang | good | 13:13 |
| zhiyuan | As I replied in the maillist, I have submitted all the patches for the features going to be merged, so there is only work to review for my part. | 13:13 |
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| joehuang | ok, let's go through patch by patch | 13:14 |
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| joehuang | you can view all patches here https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/tricircle | 13:14 |
| yinxiulin | me to | 13:15 |
| joehuang | if the patche can and must be merged before freeze date, let's marked here with #info before that | 13:16 |
| joehuang | for example | 13:16 |
| joehuang | #info https://review.openstack.org/#/c/360848/ | 13:16 |
| Yipei | #info https://review.openstack.org/#/c/356187/ | 13:17 |
| hejiawei | #info https://review.openstack.org/#/c/359561/ | 13:18 |
| Yipei | #info https://review.openstack.org/#/c/323687/ | 13:18 |
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| yinxiulin | #info https://review.openstack.org/#/c/366606/ | 13:18 |
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| zhiyuan | #info https://review.openstack.org/354604 | 13:18 |
| yinxiulin | #info https://review.openstack.org/#/c/369958/ | 13:18 |
| zhiyuan | #info https://review.openstack.org/355847 | 13:18 |
| zhiyuan | #info https://review.openstack.org/360848 | 13:18 |
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| joehuang | one moment | 13:19 |
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| joehuang | we need one etherpad to list, and short discussion and then put it here with #info | 13:20 |
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| joehuang | so put the patch in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/TricircleNewtonFreeze first | 13:21 |
| joehuang | then if we think it's ok, we tag it here with #info | 13:21 |
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| shiyangkai | I see | 13:25 |
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| Yipei | #info https://review.openstack.org/#/c/356187/ | 13:28 |
| zhiyuan | how to distinguish the old info tag and new info tag? | 13:30 |
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| joehuang | this is my fault | 13:33 |
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| joehuang | I think through etherpad, we can identify which one must be merged before freeze date | 13:34 |
| joehuang | is there any patch marked with info here not mentioned in the etherpad? | 13:34 |
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| joehuang | #info https://review.openstack.org/#/c/372414/ | 13:35 |
| zhiyuan | no for me | 13:37 |
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| zhiyuan | joe, I find you have added jiawei's | 13:38 |
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| joehuang | ok | 13:39 |
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| joehuang | xiongqiu's patch has not been updated for long time | 13:39 |
| yinxiulin | no for me | 13:40 |
| joehuang | and for volume type, another way is suggested | 13:40 |
| hejiawei | we will update,if he have no time,I will update it | 13:40 |
| hejiawei | for xiongqiu's patch | 13:40 |
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| joehuang | ok, it's good to have | 13:40 |
| joehuang | for volume type, I think it should be "do not merge" | 13:41 |
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| joehuang | good, is there any patch missed in the discussion? | 13:42 |
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| joehuang | great, so let's work according to the etherpad | 13:43 |
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| joehuang | #info patches must be merged before freeze date is listed in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/TricircleNewtonFreeze | 13:43 |
| rong_hui | hello | 13:43 |
| joehuang | hi, ronghui | 13:44 |
| rong_hui | sorry for late | 13:44 |
| rong_hui | and i just came back | 13:44 |
| joehuang | please go through https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/TricircleNewtonFreeze to see if it works for you | 13:44 |
| rong_hui | ok | 13:44 |
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| rong_hui | i think there is a function for cinder we must to do | 13:46 |
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| rong_hui | detach | 13:47 |
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| joehuang | ok | 13:48 |
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| rong_hui | and i test it | 13:48 |
| joehuang | patch number> | 13:48 |
| rong_hui | no number | 13:48 |
| hejiawei | detach in xiongqiu's patch | 13:49 |
| rong_hui | yes | 13:49 |
| joehuang | which patch? | 13:49 |
| joehuang | so please submit a patch immediately | 13:50 |
| rong_hui | wait a second | 13:50 |
| hejiawei | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/326192/ | 13:50 |
| rong_hui | yes this patch | 13:50 |
| rong_hui | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/326192/ | 13:51 |
| zhiyuan | this is listed in the etherpad | 13:51 |
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| joehuang | ok, so please ensure the patch pass all tests | 13:52 |
| hejiawei | ok | 13:52 |
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| rong_hui | i think this patch can get the "must to have" level | 13:53 |
| joehuang | ok, so let's end the meeting today | 13:53 |
| rong_hui | ok and please review the https://review.openstack.org/#/c/372414/ | 13:54 |
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| joehuang | please update your patch to get review in time | 13:54 |
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| rong_hui | ok | 13:55 |
| joehuang | fo 372414, needs to include the update of shared VLAN L2/L3 network | 13:55 |
| rong_hui | ok | 13:55 |
| joehuang | other topics? | 13:55 |
| zhiyuan | no for me | 13:55 |
| yinxiulin | no for me | 13:56 |
| dongfeng | the trio2o itself has defects and can not pass the "tox -e py27" test | 13:56 |
| rong_hui | i will update it and if meet some problems i will ask | 13:56 |
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| Yipei | no for me | 13:57 |
| joehuang | to dongfeng, maybe, the repo just there, but fix needed | 13:57 |
| rong_hui | no for me | 13:57 |
| joehuang | ok, thank you attending the meeting | 13:58 |
| joehuang | #endmeeting | 13:58 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Meetings || https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings" | 13:58 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 21 13:58:10 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 13:58 |
| hejiawei | bye | 13:58 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-09-21-13.01.html | 13:58 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-09-21-13.01.txt | 13:58 |
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| dongfeng | bye | 13:58 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/tricircle/2016/tricircle.2016-09-21-13.01.log.html | 13:58 |
| rong_hui | bye | 13:58 |
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| Yipei | bye | 13:58 |
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| joehuang | #bye | 13:58 |
| zhiyuan | bye | 13:58 |
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| yinxiulin | bye | 13:59 |
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| krotscheck | #startmeeting Javascript | 14:00 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 21 14:00:10 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is krotscheck. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| krotscheck | Woohoo! | 14:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Javascript)" | 14:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'javascript' | 14:00 |
| krotscheck | #chair vkmc | 14:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: krotscheck vkmc | 14:00 |
| krotscheck | oops | 14:00 |
| krotscheck | #undo | 14:00 |
| krotscheck | #chair vkramskikh | 14:00 |
| openstack | Current chairs: krotscheck vkmc vkramskikh | 14:00 |
| betherly | o/ | 14:00 |
| vkmc | :o | 14:00 |
| vkramskikh | hi | 14:00 |
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| krotscheck | Soooorrryyyy | 14:00 |
| vkmc | haha it's ok | 14:00 |
| * krotscheck doesn't know how to unchair someone | 14:00 | |
| yujunz | chair again? | 14:01 |
| larainema | o/ | 14:01 |
| krotscheck | #chair vkmc | 14:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: krotscheck vkmc vkramskikh | 14:01 |
| krotscheck | Nope | 14:01 |
| krotscheck | #unchair vkmc | 14:01 |
| openstack | Current chairs: krotscheck vkramskikh | 14:01 |
| krotscheck | Huhn. | 14:01 |
| vkmc | (: | 14:01 |
| krotscheck | Total guess | 14:01 |
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| cardeois | hi ! | 14:01 |
| betherly | :D | 14:01 |
| krotscheck | Agenda! | 14:01 |
| krotscheck | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/javascript-meeting-2016-09-21 | 14:01 |
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| krotscheck | PSA: Son is napping, will likely wake up in 30, vkramskikh will have to take over if that happens | 14:01 |
| krotscheck | #topic Action Followup: Build a better readme | 14:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action Followup: Build a better readme (Meeting topic: Javascript)" | 14:02 | |
| cardeois | I'm working on it right now | 14:02 |
| krotscheck | cardeois - just saw a storyboard update? | 14:02 |
| krotscheck | Awesome. Review today? | 14:02 |
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| cardeois | totally forgot to work on js-openstack-lib sorry | 14:02 |
| cardeois | but yeah first draft today. | 14:02 |
| krotscheck | Sweet | 14:02 |
| krotscheck | #topic Action followup: Neutron patch | 14:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action followup: Neutron patch (Meeting topic: Javascript)" | 14:03 | |
| krotscheck | Landed! | 14:03 |
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| krotscheck | And we now support neutron. | 14:03 |
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| cardeois | Yeah cool, we still need to merge the neutron review though | 14:03 |
| cardeois | just added a patch this morning | 14:03 |
| krotscheck | Or rather, we will after we land https://review.openstack.org/#/c/366905/ | 14:04 |
| cardeois | And I'll need to add a "networkList" review | 14:04 |
| krotscheck | #topic Action followup: Propagate betherly's doc changes to other projects. | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action followup: Propagate betherly's doc changes to other projects. (Meeting topic: Javascript)" | 14:04 | |
| krotscheck | Not done, moving to next week's todo list | 14:04 |
| krotscheck | #action propagate https://review.openstack.org/#/c/356473/1/doc/source/releasing.rst to js-openstack-lib and js-generator-openstack | 14:05 |
| krotscheck | #topic Action followup: krotscheck land Nova.flavorList | 14:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action followup: krotscheck land Nova.flavorList (Meeting topic: Javascript)" | 14:05 | |
| krotscheck | Patches are up and failing, best I can tell it's a Nova CORS thing, which is deeper than what wwas going on with neutron | 14:05 |
| * krotscheck was unable to debug that last night because silly airport ethernet blocks git ports | 14:05 | |
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| cardeois | Yeah you need to rebase your reviews I guess | 14:06 |
| krotscheck | Yeah, there's a bunch of things in there that aren't nova related, so I'll split those out. | 14:06 |
| cardeois | because your first review depending on all of them work, but you didn't rebase | 14:06 |
| cardeois | alright | 14:06 |
| krotscheck | #topic Action Followup: cardeois define a linting rule for space-before-function-parens. | 14:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Action Followup: cardeois define a linting rule for space-before-function-parens. (Meeting topic: Javascript)" | 14:06 | |
| krotscheck | Todo. Punt? | 14:06 |
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| cardeois | Yeah not done either, msmol told me he will help me on that though | 14:07 |
| cardeois | so next week I hope | 14:07 |
| krotscheck | Awesome | 14:07 |
| krotscheck | Anything else left over from last week that I missed before we do discussion topics? | 14:07 |
| msmol | funny thing about time, always seems to think there's plenty of it, until suddenly there's none at all | 14:07 |
| cardeois | Yeah what's the actual documentation url? | 14:08 |
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| msmol | will do the linting rule thing right after this meeting, will have a review up today | 14:08 |
| cardeois | I want to add that in the readme | 14:08 |
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| krotscheck | We're still arguing about that here -> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/346131/ | 14:08 |
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| * krotscheck hasn't followed up with ajaeger recently, though now might be good since he's in the infra sprint this week | 14:09 | |
| cardeois | k thanks | 14:09 |
| krotscheck | #action krotscheck bother Ajaeger about doc publishing | 14:09 |
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| krotscheck | cardeois: I am 95% confident that the url will be developer.openstack.org/sdks/javascript/js-generator-openstack | 14:09 |
| cardeois | Yeah ok that's what's I though too | 14:10 |
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| krotscheck | #action cardeois define a linting rule for space-before-function-parens. | 14:10 |
| krotscheck | Ok, next topic: | 14:10 |
| krotscheck | #topic MVP status | 14:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "MVP status (Meeting topic: Javascript)" | 14:10 | |
| cardeois | Yeah what was the list of MVP calls already? we had that somewhere but can't find it anymore | 14:11 |
| krotscheck | Ok, so neutron needs to pass the gate, nova needs to have its upstream bug fixed, larainema's patch needs to land, and we need documentation. | 14:11 |
| cardeois | I want to create a storyboard task for that | 14:11 |
| krotscheck | I think that's all. | 14:11 |
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| krotscheck | The list was: Get flavors, get networks, get images, launch instance. (stretch: Get keys) | 14:11 |
| cardeois | Ok thanks | 14:12 |
| krotscheck | Alright, I can _try_ to get nova fixed, but nova's notorious for taking forever to land patches | 14:12 |
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| krotscheck | Assuming I can figure out what's wrong. | 14:13 |
| * krotscheck knows it's not a wsgi pipeline config, or a config setting. | 14:13 | |
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| cardeois | oh ok, so you're saying cors is not working at all with nova? | 14:13 |
| krotscheck | Any questions about MVP? | 14:13 |
| krotscheck | Alright, let's move on to Barcelona, the big thing | 14:14 |
| krotscheck | #topic Barcelona | 14:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Barcelona (Meeting topic: Javascript)" | 14:14 | |
| krotscheck | First things first, the foundation is seriously backing "Apps on openstack" as a thing starting in barcelona, and is creating a new app hacking lab to support that. | 14:15 |
| krotscheck | The annoucnement is here: http://superuser.openstack.org/articles/kickstart-cloud-app-coding-skills/ | 14:15 |
| cardeois | awesome idea. Will help have real user feedback if we finish our mvp on time | 14:16 |
| Zara | ooh, hat | 14:17 |
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| krotscheck | Hello? Anyone here? | 14:23 |
| krotscheck | meetbot seems to have died. | 14:23 |
| cardeois | alright so what should we do about that? Should gives us the objective of complete the MVP before summit? | 14:23 |
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| krotscheck | Well, I think that largely depends on how much we care. | 14:24 |
| krotscheck | Having a release by the summit will definiteily be awesome and useful and marketing yay | 14:24 |
| krotscheck | And outreachy | 14:24 |
| krotscheck | But, well, we're all part timer | 14:24 |
| cardeois | Yeah so we'll need more people I guess? | 14:25 |
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| krotscheck | Yeah, chicken/egg | 14:25 |
| * larainema will not go Barcelona | 14:25 | |
| krotscheck | larainema: Yeah, I'm not either. | 14:25 |
| cardeois | Just created this story: https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2000729 so people can see what's missing | 14:25 |
| krotscheck | cardeois++ | 14:25 |
| krotscheck | Cool. | 14:26 |
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| krotscheck | How about this: We work as much as we can. We cut a release the week before barcelona. | 14:26 |
| krotscheck | No matter what's in it, we ship it. | 14:26 |
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| cardeois | sure good idea | 14:27 |
| krotscheck | vkramskikh? | 14:27 |
| vkramskikh | +1 for the idea | 14:28 |
| krotscheck | Any opposed? | 14:28 |
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| yujunz | nope | 14:28 |
| vkramskikh | (just need to get rid of Test class exported by default and it would be fine) | 14:28 |
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| krotscheck | Cool. | 14:29 |
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| cardeois | Yeah this is opened and need reviews: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/369319/ | 14:29 |
| * krotscheck checks for dates. | 14:29 | |
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| krotscheck | Ok, the last JS meeting we have before barcelona is the 19th. Let's set that as our release date. | 14:29 |
| krotscheck | #agreed Release first version of js-openstack-lib on the 19th of october. | 14:30 |
| krotscheck | That'll give us a few days to work out infra problems if htey arise | 14:30 |
| cardeois | sounds good | 14:30 |
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| krotscheck | In the meantime, I invite everyone to hang out in the app developer's lounge to recruit contributors (and help people that need it), and to go to the SDK fishbowl session | 14:30 |
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| cardeois | app developer's lounge? you at the summit? | 14:31 |
| krotscheck | Oh, wow. | 14:31 |
| krotscheck | I posted a bunch of things that were lost. Sec. | 14:31 |
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| krotscheck | Quote from the email I got about it: "Accordingly, I would like to invite each of you to make this space your "home base" in Barcelona - a place to come and propose what we need to achieve over the next six months on our way to Boston to start building a wider cloud application community across all our companies and across all open clouds." | 14:32 |
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| krotscheck | So... yay! That's awesome! | 14:32 |
| krotscheck | But that's not all! | 14:32 |
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| krotscheck | I proposed the cross-project SDK session, and it really sounds like it'll be accepted. | 14:32 |
| krotscheck | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-cross-project-sessions | 14:32 |
| krotscheck | The only catch was that there wasn't anyone to lead it, and flanders tapped mordred and sean handley to do things there. | 14:32 |
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| krotscheck | HOwever, I'm fairly certain that mordred's ok to share the stage with anyone here that wants to step up. | 14:32 |
| krotscheck | (On behalf of js things) | 14:32 |
| krotscheck | cardeois, vkramskikh, msmol: Are any of y'all interested? | 14:32 |
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| krotscheck | (Did that all make it?) | 14:32 |
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| cardeois | Well I guess we can help yeah, I'm not very comfortable with how all of this work but I (we?) can try | 14:33 |
| vkramskikh | not sure I'll be able to lead it, probably the most i can do is to answer a few js-related questions | 14:34 |
| krotscheck | That's alright- the headliners for the room have already been set. It'll likley be a fog and shade show, but as long as JS is represented we're good. | 14:34 |
| cardeois | +1 for vkramskikh said | 14:34 |
| * krotscheck will not be at the sjmit | 14:34 | |
| krotscheck | *summit even | 14:34 |
| krotscheck | Alright, anything else on barcelona? | 14:35 |
| yujunz | Me. | 14:35 |
| krotscheck | yujunz You'll be there? | 14:35 |
| krotscheck | Awesome! | 14:35 |
| yujunz | Yes, not just for js things | 14:36 |
| krotscheck | Yes, you're working on vitrage, right? | 14:36 |
| yujunz | I have been away from js for a while... | 14:36 |
| yujunz | Yes | 14:36 |
| krotscheck | \o/ Sounds like a fun project. | 14:36 |
| krotscheck | Does one of the attendees want to collect contact info and maybe go out for tapas/wine one night? | 14:37 |
| yujunz | Anyone familiar with Barcelona? | 14:37 |
| yujunz | I have been there only once | 14:37 |
| cardeois | Never been there | 14:37 |
| * krotscheck is not. | 14:38 | |
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| krotscheck | There's a gathedral and a Dali museum? | 14:38 |
| krotscheck | *cathedral | 14:38 |
| vkramskikh | i've never been to barcelona | 14:38 |
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| yujunz | OK, I'll try to organise. | 14:39 |
| cardeois | Yeah there is a nice gaudi park and cathedral that's all I know. But definitely there will be nice places to go out | 14:39 |
| krotscheck | Woo! | 14:39 |
| krotscheck | Ok, yujunz is your social contact in Barcelona for all things javascript :) | 14:39 |
| krotscheck | Let's move on, time is going short | 14:39 |
| krotscheck | #topic First User: vkramskikh | 14:39 |
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| krotscheck | Sounds like other things took you rtime? | 14:39 |
| vkramskikh | Inot much progress here, i'm still recovering from surgery | 14:40 |
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| krotscheck | vkramskikh: Ick. Hope you get better soon :) | 14:40 |
| vkramskikh | I'll try to use openstack-lib for Fuel by the next meeting | 14:40 |
| krotscheck | #topic Other JS Projects. | 14:40 |
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| krotscheck | We've been talking about the SDK: Any of the other problems want the floor? | 14:40 |
| krotscheck | *projects | 14:41 |
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| krotscheck | zara? vkramskikh? timothyb89? | 14:41 |
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| vkramskikh | any news about React's license? what's the source of truth here? | 14:41 |
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| vkramskikh | Fuel-UI and Tripleo-UI are using React | 14:42 |
| Zara | (I'm sorry, distracted by other channels rn :/) | 14:42 |
| yujunz | #action yujunz collect contact info and organise a js meetup in Barcelona | 14:42 |
| krotscheck | None since what i posted last. | 14:42 |
| krotscheck | In the end its up to the project, but adoption could be tricky because of that license | 14:43 |
| timothyb89 | one possible option there could be something like https://github.com/developit/preact | 14:44 |
| krotscheck | IANAL: My opinion is that there's nothing preventing from you to using it, but that your project may not be adopted by openstack deployers because of that license. | 14:44 |
| krotscheck | There's also vue.js which is similar to react, combined with reflux.js. | 14:45 |
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| krotscheck | But, frankly, I prefer angular because it embraces the DOM instead of forcing that component recalculation cycle | 14:45 |
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| krotscheck | Any other projects want the floor? Infra issues, etc? | 14:47 |
| krotscheck | Moving on. | 14:48 |
| krotscheck | #topic Open Discussino | 14:48 |
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| krotscheck | #undo | 14:48 |
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| krotscheck | #topic Open Discussion | 14:48 |
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| cardeois | Just created a draft for README, feel free to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/374220/1 | 14:49 |
| krotscheck | cardeois++ | 14:50 |
| cardeois | What example should I provide btw? | 14:50 |
| cardeois | create instance? of flavorList is ok? | 14:50 |
| krotscheck | cardeois: I'd deep link into our documentation for examples, manage it there. | 14:51 |
| cardeois | (in any case I think "Openstack" class should be used but we don't have any implemented method in it yet | 14:51 |
| cardeois | alright | 14:51 |
| krotscheck | Yeah, that's my bad, I promised to review larainema's patches and enver got around to it. | 14:51 |
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| krotscheck | Alright, let's call the meeting early. Thanks everyone! Don't forget to get yujunz your contact information while you're in barcelona (remember he's never met any of us). | 14:51 |
| krotscheck | #endmeeting | 14:51 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 21 14:51:56 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:51 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/javascript/2016/javascript.2016-09-21-14.00.html | 14:51 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/javascript/2016/javascript.2016-09-21-14.00.txt | 14:52 |
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| Zara | ah, sure, great! | 15:00 |
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| Zara | aha, there it is | 15:02 |
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| Zara | #startmeeting storyboard | 15:05 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 21 15:05:02 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Zara. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:05 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:05 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'storyboard' | 15:05 |
| Zara | # Announcements | 15:05 |
| Zara | or rather | 15:05 |
| Zara | #topic Announcements | 15:05 |
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| Zara | gah, sorry, distracted | 15:06 |
| Zara | no announcements! | 15:06 |
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| SotK | s'ok :) | 15:07 |
| Zara | :) sorry if the tension was unbearable there | 15:07 |
| Zara | #topic Urgent Items | 15:07 |
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| Zara | none that I'm aware of | 15:08 |
| Zara | things are ticking over | 15:08 |
| * SotK concurs | 15:08 | |
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| Zara | #topic In-Progress Work | 15:08 |
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| Zara | I've sent some misc ui fixes as followups to the complex priorities patch | 15:09 |
| Zara | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/373212/ | 15:09 |
| Zara | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/373485/ | 15:10 |
| Zara | and a patch to pretty up the dashboard: | 15:10 |
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| Zara | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/373467/ | 15:10 |
| Zara | along with... | 15:10 |
| Zara | some sample python client scripts! | 15:10 |
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| Zara | these are scripts for things that folks asked for during the wonderful infra bugsquash last week | 15:11 |
| * SotK will try to look at those sample scripts soon :) | 15:11 | |
| Zara | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/371620/ | 15:11 |
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| Zara | they're heavily commented since they should serve more as documentation than as things to run regularly | 15:11 |
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| Zara | I have some other docs in review at | 15:12 |
| Zara | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/371515/ | 15:12 |
| Zara | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/368797/ | 15:12 |
| Zara | the latter has a +2 and +1 so just needs another +2, in system config | 15:12 |
| Zara | other than that, I've been reviewing... | 15:13 |
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| Zara | I was about to merge SotK's exciting new 'api support for adding teams to private stories' (for ACLs for vulnerability management) | 15:13 |
| Zara | then I found a bug | 15:13 |
| Zara | sorry | 15:13 |
| SotK | :) | 15:13 |
| SotK | I've done more work on a similar patch for worklists and boards | 15:14 |
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| Zara | nice | 15:14 |
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| Zara | it is deeply appreciated | 15:14 |
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| SotK | and I'll fix that bug soon, frustrated that I didn't notice it when testing | 15:14 |
| SotK | thanks for catching it :) | 15:14 |
| Zara | well, same, I'm annoyed I didn't notice it until the last possible second | 15:14 |
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| Zara | yw :) | 15:14 |
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| Zara | anything I've forgotten? | 15:16 |
| * SotK doesn't think so | 15:17 | |
| Zara | okay, ace | 15:19 |
| Zara | in that case, no discussion items that I'm aware of, so... | 15:19 |
| Zara | #topic Open Discussion | 15:19 |
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| Zara | discuss! | 15:20 |
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| * SotK had nothing to discuss | 15:21 | |
| SotK | er | 15:21 |
| SotK | s/had/has/ | 15:21 |
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| Zara | :) I don't think I have anything either really | 15:23 |
| Zara | I'm steadily pottering around tidying things | 15:23 |
| Zara | it's not riveting | 15:23 |
| Zara | we should plan barcelona sometime | 15:24 |
| Zara | I can't believe it's mid-late september already | 15:24 |
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| Zara | well, I've left that a while | 15:31 |
| Zara | I'll end the meeting in 10 | 15:31 |
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| Zara | oh no! | 15:31 |
| Zara | #endmeeting | 15:31 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 21 15:31:25 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:31 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2016/storyboard.2016-09-21-15.05.html | 15:31 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/storyboard/2016/storyboard.2016-09-21-15.05.txt | 15:31 |
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| SotK | thanks Zara | 15:31 |
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| Zara | :) | 15:37 |
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| Zara | thank YOU for attending! :D | 15:37 |
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| _alastor_ | \o | 15:59 |
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| smcginnis | #startmeeting Cinder | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 21 16:00:08 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'cinder' | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | Agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderMeetings#Next_Cinder_Team_meeting | 16:00 |
| fernnest__ | hi | 16:00 |
| jgregor | Hello! | 16:00 |
| erlon | hey | 16:00 |
| jseiler_ | hi | 16:00 |
| _alastor_ | hey | 16:00 |
| smcginnis | ping dulek duncant eharney geguileo winston-d e0ne jungleboyj jgriffith thingee smcginnis hemna xyang1 tbarron scottda erlon rhedlind jbernard _alastor_ bluex patrickeast dongwenjuan JaniceLee cFouts Thelo vivekd adrianofr mtanino yuriy_n17 karlamrhein diablo_rojo jay.xu jgregor baumann rajinir wilson-l reduxio wanghao thrawn01 chris_morrell stevemar watanabe.isao,tommylike.hu | 16:00 |
| Swanson | hallo | 16:00 |
| adrianofr_ | hi | 16:00 |
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| smcginnis | bswartz: ;) | 16:00 |
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| geguileo | Hi! | 16:00 |
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| xyang | hi | 16:00 |
| diablo_rojo | Hello :) | 16:00 |
| rajinir | o/ | 16:00 |
| cFouts | hi | 16:00 |
| e0ne | hi | 16:00 |
| baumann | Hello | 16:00 |
| hemna | yough | 16:01 |
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| eharney | hi | 16:01 |
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| smcginnis | #topic Summit Prep | 16:01 |
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| jungleboyj | Howdy. | 16:01 |
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| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-cinder-designsummit-planning Summit planning etherpad | 16:01 |
| patrickeast | hi | 16:01 |
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| smcginnis | We have 4 fishbowls, 4 working rooms, and a half day contributor meetup. | 16:02 |
| e0ne | let's propose topics and discuss them on the next meeting? | 16:02 |
| smcginnis | Please start adding topic ideas to the etherpad. | 16:02 |
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| smcginnis | As we get closer we will figure out what goes where and if we need to prioritize any topics over others. | 16:02 |
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| smcginnis | e0ne: Yeah, we can discuss here once we have more added. Sounds good. | 16:03 |
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| smcginnis | Any questions on the summit so far? | 16:03 |
| e0ne | are we planning any cross-project discussions? | 16:04 |
| diablo_rojo | Do we want to make a list like we do for midcycles about who is going? | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: Yes | 16:04 |
| bswartz | last design summit ever... | 16:04 |
| e0ne | bswartz: :( | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | bswartz: :[ | 16:04 |
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| smcginnis | e0ne: There is another etherpad somewhere for that. | 16:04 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: It was mentioned in the ML, but I don't have the link handy at the moment. | 16:04 |
| hemna | and I'm missing this one. | 16:04 |
| diablo_rojo | hemna :'( | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | hemna: :{ | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: :-( | 16:05 |
| hemna | no free booze for me! | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: We will get you some booze. | 16:05 |
| * smcginnis looks up California's alcohol shipping laws | 16:05 | |
| scottda | kickstarter fund to buy hemna booze? | 16:05 |
| smcginnis | scottda: ;) | 16:05 |
| jungleboyj | scottda: +2 | 16:05 |
| hemna | :P | 16:06 |
| TommyLikeHu_ | :) | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | OK... | 16:06 |
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| smcginnis | #topic Newton Retrospective | 16:06 |
| e0ne | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ocata-cross-project-sessions | 16:06 |
| _alastor_ | scottda: +1 | 16:06 |
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| geguileo | hemna: :-( | 16:06 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: Thanks! | 16:06 |
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| smcginnis | So trying this out to see if it's any value. | 16:06 |
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| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-newton-retrospective | 16:07 |
| hemna | smcginnis, getting all agile on us ? | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | Please feel free to add any thoughts there. | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | hemna: ;) | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | hemna: Just wait until the daily standups start. | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | :D | 16:07 |
| smcginnis | Nah, this is bordering on my edge of too much process. | 16:07 |
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| Swanson | I don't have enough material for daily standup. | 16:08 |
| bswartz | (obligatory dilbert) http://dilbert.com/strip/2016-09-19 | 16:08 |
| smcginnis | But thought it might be good to give folks a place to give feedbak and see if there's anything we should pay attention to. | 16:08 |
| jungleboyj | bswartz: Nice! | 16:08 |
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| smcginnis | bswartz: Hah! | 16:08 |
| hemna | hehe | 16:08 |
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| smcginnis | Anyway, just putting that out there. | 16:09 |
| hemna | so....privsep needs work | 16:09 |
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| hemna | there are still things about it that are super annoying | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | If there's enough feedback collected and it makes sense we can discuss things at the summit. | 16:09 |
| bswartz | IMO a retro isn't worth much if you don't already have a proposal in mind to change something | 16:09 |
| hemna | (Newton retro...) | 16:09 |
| smcginnis | hemna: Agree | 16:09 |
| jungleboyj | hemna: ++ | 16:09 |
| scottda | bswartz: How do we know what to change without the retro? | 16:10 |
| e0ne | hemna: +1 | 16:10 |
| hemna | and since I won't be in BCN, can someone hunt Angus down if he's there | 16:10 |
| diablo_rojo | hemna +1 | 16:10 |
| hemna | I can make a list of stuff that needs discussing | 16:10 |
| hemna | :( | 16:10 |
| * hemna has a sad | 16:10 | |
| bswartz | scottda: well enough time will have passed that people will have their ideas already | 16:10 |
| scottda | hemna: I think we'll have a cinder-nova session. | 16:10 |
| e0ne | hemna: :( | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | hemna: Maybe we should add privsep to the cross project etherpad. | 16:10 |
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| akerr | bswartz never comes to our retros either, so don't feel bad smcginnis | 16:10 |
| hemna | smcginnis, yah we should | 16:10 |
| diablo_rojo | hemna, I can try to find him, another set of ears to help absorb info would be helpful | 16:10 |
| smcginnis | akerr: :) | 16:10 |
| scottda | hemna: Privsep issues alone warrant that. Plus multi-attach and new API | 16:10 |
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| jungleboyj | hemna: Delegate to diablo_rojo . | 16:10 |
| bswartz | I suppose the etherpad will tell us if there's enough content to discuss | 16:11 |
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| smcginnis | bswartz: Yep, that's what I'm thinking. | 16:11 |
| diablo_rojo | Do we even know if he will be there? | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | Not sure, but I would think likely. | 16:11 |
| smcginnis | #topic Ocata testing and stabilization | 16:11 |
| hemna | I hope so | 16:11 |
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| smcginnis | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-ocata-testing Ocata testing | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | So as much as reasonable I would like to make the focus of Ocata be testing and stabilization. | 16:12 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: I'll update this etherpad with tempest backup status | 16:12 |
| e0ne | smcginnis: +1 | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | Not that we won't allow things in, just we need to be selective. | 16:12 |
| Swanson | No tiramisu? | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: Oh, tempest. | 16:12 |
| smcginnis | Side note before I forget. | 16:12 |
| e0ne | but does it mean that no new drivers or bp will be merged? | 16:12 |
| bswartz | +10 | 16:12 |
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| geguileo | smcginnis: I understand HA A/A work will be allowed to continue, right? | 16:13 |
| akerr | is that +2 in binary? | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | If you run your CI with tox -e all_plugin -- --concurrency=1 volume you're broken right now. | 16:13 |
| e0ne | we did some progress with backup tests this release. I have to sync with out QA team | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | geguileo: Right! | 16:13 |
| bswartz | #lijnk https://releases.openstack.org/ocata/schedule.html | 16:13 |
| geguileo | :-) | 16:13 |
| smcginnis | e0ne: Still allow drivers and limited in flight features I think. | 16:13 |
| bswartz | ^ look how short this cycle is | 16:14 |
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| e0ne | smcginnis: good to know | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | bswartz: lijnk? | 16:14 |
| bswartz | make the deadline for drivers super early | 16:14 |
| TommyLikeHu_ | link | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | bswartz: :) | 16:14 |
| bswartz | s/lijnk/link/ | 16:14 |
| hemna | whoa | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | #link https://releases.openstack.org/ocata/schedule.html Ocata schedule | 16:14 |
| e0ne | there could be some BP's that fixes stability | 16:14 |
| hemna | RC1 Jan 30! | 16:14 |
| smcginnis | Super short this time around. | 16:14 |
| TommyLikeHu_ | short .. | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | So realistically, we don't really have time for any big new features anyway. | 16:15 |
| akerr | smcginnis: the tempest command has changed from tox to "tempest run" but we've been running the all-plugin stuff without issue | 16:15 |
| bswartz | hemna: don't forget winter holidays taking away 3 weeks of productivity | 16:15 |
| hemna | smcginnis, +1 | 16:15 |
| hemna | if we were ever going to have a bug fix release, this is a great chance to do that | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | akerr: My issue with the way they changed that is they hard coded the regex arg to be first. | 16:15 |
| smcginnis | hemna: +1 | 16:15 |
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| Swanson | Let's see, 3 weeks of vacation left, last week of the year holidays, Turkey Day. Yeah. Ocata is dead to me. | 16:16 |
| e0ne | hemna: +2 | 16:16 |
| smcginnis | Swanson: That really will be interesting with the holidays in there. | 16:16 |
| _alastor_ | Swanson: +1 | 16:16 |
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| smcginnis | Literally just a few weeks for Ocata when you count holidays and such. | 16:16 |
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| smcginnis | scottda started a testing etherpad for Newton. I used that as a basis to start https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-ocata-testing | 16:17 |
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| smcginnis | Let's capture test coverage areas and get folks signed up to work on them. | 16:17 |
| hemna | smcginnis, should we triage bugs and target them for O ? | 16:17 |
| hemna | smcginnis, we should also look at the nova volume bugs again too | 16:18 |
| Swanson | So a short release changing anything with how long we are supporting previous releases? | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | This will be both for implementing tests and doing manual testing for things we can't easily automate yet. | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | hemna: Yeah, good call. | 16:18 |
| hemna | I'd like to see if we can start tackling some of those (nova volume based bugs) | 16:18 |
| bswartz | swanson: that would be a good TC question | 16:18 |
| smcginnis | If nothing else from O, I'd love to see that bug count go down. | 16:18 |
| scottda | Might be nice to get a volunteer to be bug czar | 16:19 |
| hemna | I'd like to get the cinder/brick/local_dev stuff out of Cinder this release. | 16:19 |
| scottda | not it! | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | Swanson: That is an interesting question. | 16:19 |
| xyang | smcginnis: is the new driver merge deadline the same as before, Ocata-2? | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | xyang: Yes. One second... | 16:19 |
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| smcginnis | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/374260/ Cinder Ocata deadlines | 16:19 |
| diablo_rojo | eharney is normally the bug czar I thought | 16:19 |
| smcginnis | Pretty much the same deadlines in relation to overall deadlines as before. | 16:19 |
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| bswartz | scottda: appointing a czar is what you do when you want to completely ignore a problem | 16:20 |
| scottda | eharney: is the guy who does the most bug triage. Nothing official, to my knowledge.. | 16:20 |
| scottda | bswartz: Not true. Nova has done a great job with this | 16:20 |
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| scottda | Nova bug czar reports at weekly meetings, and seeks help with volunteers to take triage shifts. | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | I do like the idea of having folks focus on certain areas. | 16:21 |
| erlon | smcginnis: +1 | 16:21 |
| bswartz | depends on the czar having actual powers I guess | 16:21 |
| smcginnis | But that only works as well as the ability for those folks to actually focus on it. | 16:22 |
| TommyLikeHu_ | +1 | 16:22 |
| smcginnis | Well that's pretty much it on the meeting agenda. | 16:22 |
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| smcginnis | #topic Open discussion | 16:22 |
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| smcginnis | Anything else? | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Did you have something for me? | 16:23 |
| bswartz | is there a PTL election? | 16:23 |
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| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Oh right.. why you're screwed. :) | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | bswartz: ? | 16:23 |
| * jungleboyj sighs | 16:23 | |
| e0ne | bswartz: we elected smcginnis | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | It has been a long enough couple weeks man. | 16:23 |
| e0ne | :) | 16:23 |
| jungleboyj | e0ne: ++ | 16:23 |
| bswartz | congrats smcginnis! | 16:23 |
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| smcginnis | bswartz: Oh.. no, no one else put there name in this time, so you're all stuck with me again. | 16:23 |
| smcginnis | bswartz: Thanks :) | 16:24 |
| bswartz | lol | 16:24 |
| * jungleboyj sings "For he's a jolly good fellow!" | 16:24 | |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: So back to your problem. | 16:24 |
| TommyLikeHu_ | +1000 | 16:24 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: DB backports. | 16:24 |
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| smcginnis | jungleboyj: masterbasing is not good due to DB migration backports. | 16:25 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Ah, ok. | 16:25 |
| smcginnis | In order to backport a DB change we use our placeholders. | 16:25 |
| smcginnis | Which is what they are intended for on stable releases so there's room to migrate up a number. | 16:25 |
| smcginnis | But in the master branch we reserve those numbers ahead of time. | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | Which means we need to actually modify an existing DB migration number. | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | Which if you are based off of master you will have already migrated through. | 16:26 |
| smcginnis | So changes there will not get picked up. | 16:26 |
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| smcginnis | So either we can't reserve migrations (and possibly can't backport changes to fix things) or you're kind of in trouble doing CD from master. | 16:27 |
| jungleboyj | smcginnis: Is that really an issue if we are just staying on master? | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: Yes | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | So placeholders will be added. | 16:27 |
| DuncanT | smcginnis: We should probably add a devref about these placeholder migrations | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | So you end up with something like 080_placeholder.py | 16:27 |
| smcginnis | Initially it is basically a noop. | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | But then we find something that we need to backport to fix. | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | We need to modify 080_placeholder to be 080_add_critical_column.py and change it's content. | 16:28 |
| smcginnis | But in the meantime, sqlalchemy will have migrated to version 081 and done the noop for 080. | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | So changing it doesn't get picked up when continuously deploying from master. | 16:29 |
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| eharney | that doesn't sound right to me | 16:29 |
| bswartz | is there a specific bug you guys have in mind? | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | Because the migration is already at a later version. It thinks it already applied that previous version. But now that previous version is something different. | 16:29 |
| eharney | i thought for this to work right, the fix in master would be a new 085_fix, then it would be backported as 080_fix in stable/newton | 16:29 |
| smcginnis | eharney: I think that's the only way it would work. | 16:30 |
| jungleboyj | Oh, so it gets skipped because we have told the database the work has already been done. | 16:30 |
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| eharney | smcginnis: but that doesn't sound like it works, specifically for the reason you were mentioning about CD | 16:30 |
| geguileo | eharney: I thought that as well | 16:30 |
| smcginnis | eharney: But then we have the issue of a previous version stable release applying that change in 080. Then it gets upgraded to the new version and applies 085. In this example it would fail because it would try to add the column twice. | 16:31 |
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| eharney | smcginnis: i think the migration 085 is supposed to know how to be a no-op if the new column already exists | 16:31 |
| jungleboyj | Ok, I need to drop into another meeting. Will follow up afterwards. | 16:31 |
| DuncanT | eharney: +1 | 16:31 |
| eharney | otherwise i don't see how this really is useful | 16:31 |
| smcginnis | jungleboyj: K, talk later. | 16:31 |
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| geguileo | eharney: +1 | 16:31 |
| smcginnis | eharney: Maybe, but I don't think we handle things correctly right now. | 16:32 |
| geguileo | smcginnis: I haven't seen any DB backports yet... | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | It certainly makes backports trickier. | 16:32 |
| eharney | i think we do, we just haven't used it | 16:32 |
| * geguileo probably missed them | 16:32 | |
| smcginnis | geguileo: Yeah, I don;t think we've ever done them before. | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | There's a patch out there now for one though. | 16:32 |
| eharney | what patch is that? | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | This will be the first time we've done it as far as I know. | 16:32 |
| smcginnis | looking... | 16:33 |
| geguileo | I think during stable release backports we have to make sure that the migration in master is capable of doing the no-op like eharney mentioned | 16:33 |
| smcginnis | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/355214/ | 16:33 |
| smcginnis | So maybe that's the answer. | 16:33 |
| smcginnis | We just need to be aware of whether something potentially could be a backport. | 16:33 |
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| DuncanT | We should probably make *all* future migrations no-op capable, really | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | And write the migration in a way that can recognize if it was already applied. | 16:34 |
| smcginnis | Which also means we can't just cherry pick a change. | 16:34 |
| DuncanT | It's easier than guessing about backports | 16:34 |
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| eharney | i think an argument could be made that that bug is not severe enough to backport it given the pain... | 16:34 |
| geguileo | DuncanT: For some features it doesn't make sense to make them no-op capable, right? | 16:35 |
| geguileo | DuncanT: Only for bug-fixes | 16:35 |
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| eharney | but if we want to, i don't see why we couldn't do what i was saying above | 16:35 |
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| DuncanT | geguileo: Depends if we think the feature will ever be backported | 16:35 |
| smcginnis | eharney: Yeah, at this point maybe it's not worth it. | 16:36 |
| DuncanT | geguileo: The cost of putting a check in the migration is neglegable, and we could even automate a check that it is no-op capable | 16:36 |
| geguileo | DuncanT: Even if it doesn't have the no-op initially we can have another patch that modifies that migration and adds the no-op feature when we want to do the backport | 16:36 |
| eharney | smcginnis: i suspect few people have hit that problem | 16:36 |
| smcginnis | eharney: I wish we would have held off on reserving placeholders. Then it wouldn't have been an issue. | 16:37 |
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| DuncanT | geguileo: Modifying database migrations is high risk | 16:37 |
| smcginnis | eharney: It's at least an existing issue that has been there for some time, so what's one more release. :] | 16:37 |
| smcginnis | eharney: And there is a manual work around if a customer really needs it. | 16:37 |
| geguileo | DuncanT: We would be just adding the no-op check... I'm missing the high risk, but I'm probably just tired :-( | 16:37 |
| * dulek creeps in very late. | 16:38 | |
| DuncanT | geguileo: The problem happens if you ever subtly change the resulting schema | 16:38 |
| dulek | I've seen DB backports discussion - point is that DB migrations should be idempotent. In case of backporting a schema change you have same migration as two numbers. | 16:39 |
| DuncanT | geguileo: There's already a risk of that with the backport... I wonder if we should try to have some more solid validation of the db at the start of a release? Even a side-script? | 16:39 |
| smcginnis | dulek: That's what the placeholders are supposed to be for. We were using them wrong the last few releases though. | 16:39 |
| smcginnis | dulek: We were merging them at the end of a cycle, which really made them useless. Should be first thing in the cycle. | 16:39 |
| dulek | Yup. | 16:40 |
| dulek | See this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/109660/ | 16:40 |
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| dulek | And this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/112107/ | 16:40 |
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| dulek | Migrations 248 and 234 in Nova are exactly the same thing, so regardless of if you're doing CD or not, it works. | 16:41 |
| dulek | But they need to be idempotent. | 16:41 |
| eharney | dulek: right | 16:41 |
| smcginnis | So that looks to be the answer. | 16:42 |
| dulek | I guess being idempotent is what you've called "noop capable"? ;) | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | We'll just have to be aware of that for anything that may be backported. | 16:42 |
| smcginnis | Or as geguileo said, add the noop checking once we realize we need to backport. | 16:42 |
| eharney | in this particular case where it just does an alter to extend the field, is it not idempotent anyway? | 16:43 |
| bswartz | it's too late once you realize you need to backport | 16:43 |
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| smcginnis | bswartz: I think adding a check to an existing migration is probably OK. It won't matter to new deployments, so it's just getting it in place for upgrades. | 16:44 |
| smcginnis | eharney: I think you're right there. | 16:44 |
| eharney | bswartz: good point, it would force us to say that you can only upgrade to the newer release after commit X which is not really how it should work | 16:44 |
| bswartz | I wouldn't commit the change in master until the upgrade step is idempotent if you EVER want to backport that change | 16:45 |
| bswartz | you can't fix it later without creating a discontinuity in the upgrade path, as eharney points out | 16:45 |
| smcginnis | As long as we merge the master change before the backport, I would be very surprised if an older stable release would try to upgrade to some interim master version. | 16:45 |
| smcginnis | Fair enough. | 16:45 |
| DuncanT | smcginnis: It definitely happens | 16:45 |
| smcginnis | One more thing to add to the list of gotchas to watch for when reviewing. | 16:46 |
| smcginnis | OK, anything else? | 16:46 |
| DuncanT | smcginnis: Testing for idemotency is automateable | 16:46 |
| TommyLikeHu_ | +1 | 16:46 |
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| smcginnis | Added as a test item here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-ocata-testing | 16:47 |
| smcginnis | Going once... | 16:48 |
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| smcginnis | OK, thanks everyone. | 16:49 |
| TommyLikeHu_ | cool | 16:49 |
| smcginnis | #endmeeting | 16:49 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 21 16:49:28 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:49 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-09-21-16.00.html | 16:49 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-09-21-16.00.txt | 16:49 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/cinder/2016/cinder.2016-09-21-16.00.log.html | 16:49 |
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| e0ne | see you next week | 16:51 |
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| jlvillal | #startmeeting ironic_qa | 17:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 21 17:00:41 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jlvillal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic_qa' | 17:00 |
| jlvillal | Hello everyone | 17:00 |
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| jlvillal | As always the agenda is here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic-QA | 17:01 |
| rpioso | o/ | 17:01 |
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| jlvillal | #topic Announcements | 17:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: ironic_qa)" | 17:01 | |
| jlvillal | I don't have any announcements. | 17:01 |
| jlvillal | Anyone have anything? | 17:01 |
| * jlvillal thinks this might be a short meeting today... | 17:01 | |
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| jlvillal | #topic Grenade work | 17:02 |
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| xavierr | we do | 17:02 |
| jlvillal | #undo | 17:02 |
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| jlvillal | xavierr: Go ahead then :) | 17:02 |
| xavierr | OneView CI is almost back. we have currently 2/3 jobs running. all should be ok until the end of this day | 17:03 |
| xavierr | :) | 17:03 |
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| jlvillal | #info OneView CI is almost back. they currently have 2 out of 3 jobs running. all should be ok by the end of today. | 17:04 |
| jlvillal | xavierr: Thanks | 17:04 |
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| jlvillal | #topic Grenade work | 17:04 |
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| cdearborn | o/ | 17:04 |
| jlvillal | So still a bunch of patches that need to be reviewed for the multi-node testing. | 17:04 |
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| jlvillal | Which is the first step in the multi-node grenade testing | 17:05 |
| krtaylor | o/ | 17:05 |
| jlvillal | #info Current status and list of patches needing reviews: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-newton-grenade-whiteboard | 17:05 |
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| jlvillal | #topic 3rd Party CI, sponsored by krtaylor | 17:06 |
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| krtaylor | nothing to report from here | 17:06 |
| jlvillal | Anyone else? | 17:07 |
| jlvillal | I do notice that the Dell CI job can seem very very slow at times. Or is that just my imagination? | 17:07 |
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| xavierr | how is responsable for Dell CI? | 17:08 |
| xavierr | s/how/who/ | 17:08 |
| jlvillal | cdearborn: Do you know? | 17:08 |
| * jlvillal forgets who cdearborn works for :) | 17:08 | |
| krtaylor | I believe the response was that they are skipping a lot of the nondriver code (docs, tests, etc) | 17:09 |
| krtaylor | or are you referring to how long it takes the system to report | 17:09 |
| jlvillal | krtaylor: How long before they vote on a patch. | 17:09 |
| jlvillal | krtaylor: I thought I have seen it vote a day later | 17:09 |
| krtaylor | oh..yeah, that is a while | 17:10 |
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| jlvillal | krtaylor: We probably at some point (Ocata cycle) should gather some stats about the CI systems that are voting. | 17:10 |
| jlvillal | krtaylor: Stats like, pass/fail rates. Average voting time, and maybe some other things. | 17:11 |
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| xavierr | Dell CI took 8 hours to answer my last doc patch | 17:11 |
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| krtaylor | you know about this right: http://ci-watch.tintri.com/project?project=ironic | 17:11 |
| cdearborn | I do work for Dell | 17:11 |
| jlvillal | krtaylor: Maybe somebody already has something like that. Stats on CIs. | 17:11 |
| cdearborn | rajinir is responsible for the idrac CI | 17:12 |
| cdearborn | will ping her on it | 17:12 |
| jlvillal | krtaylor: Darn. I forgot about that. Does it have the info I asked about? | 17:12 |
| jlvillal | cdearborn: Thanks | 17:12 |
| xavierr | cdearborn: thanks :) | 17:12 |
| krtaylor | jlvillal, some, but not summarized | 17:12 |
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| jlvillal | That's all I have. Anything else before we move on? | 17:12 |
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| jlvillal | Okay moving on then | 17:13 |
| jlvillal | #topic Open Discussing | 17:13 |
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| jlvillal | I see an entry from jroll about tempest tests | 17:13 |
| jlvillal | Not sure if this was discussed last week and just forgot to be removed? | 17:13 |
| jroll | ohai | 17:13 |
| jroll | that's from like 1.5 months ago | 17:13 |
| krtaylor | it was | 17:13 |
| jlvillal | I'll remove it then :) | 17:13 |
| jroll | also discussed last week again :) | 17:13 |
| jroll | thanks | 17:13 |
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| * jlvillal will see if he has to answer a Captcha | 17:14 | |
| jlvillal | Woo hoo! I could pick all the images of a store front :) | 17:15 |
| jlvillal | One of them was tricky... | 17:15 |
| jlvillal | I think that does it for today. | 17:15 |
| krtaylor | hehheh | 17:15 |
| xavierr | Ironic'ers if you could take a look on my patch for introduce inspect interface to OneView drivers, it will be awesome! https://review.openstack.org/#/c/367065/ | 17:15 |
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| jlvillal | xavierr: Is that QA/testing related? | 17:16 |
| xavierr | jlvillal: It is. Because it was waiting our CI be back :) | 17:16 |
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| xavierr | OneView CI I mean | 17:17 |
| jlvillal | Okay :) | 17:17 |
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| jlvillal | I think we are done. | 17:17 |
| jlvillal | Thanks everyone! | 17:17 |
| xavierr | ok | 17:17 |
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| krtaylor | thanks jlvillal | 17:17 |
| jlvillal | #endmeeting | 17:17 |
| xavierr | thank all and thanks jlvillal :) | 17:17 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 21 17:17:22 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 17:17 |
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| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2016/ironic_qa.2016-09-21-17.00.html | 17:17 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic_qa/2016/ironic_qa.2016-09-21-17.00.txt | 17:17 |
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| bh526r | Hi guys | 17:59 |
| bh526r | #startmeeting gluon | 18:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 21 18:00:08 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bh526r. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 18:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 18:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: gluon)" | 18:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'gluon' | 18:00 |
| krenczewski | Hello | 18:00 |
| bh526r | Hi Kamil | 18:00 |
| bh526r | #topic Roll Call and Introduction | 18:00 |
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| georgk | o/ | 18:00 |
| bh526r | Hi Georg | 18:00 |
| bh526r | #info Bin Hu | 18:00 |
| georgk | hi Bin | 18:00 |
| krenczewski | #info Kamil Renczewski | 18:00 |
| georgk | #info Georg Kunz | 18:00 |
| jinli | Hi everyone | 18:01 |
| bh526r | Hi Jin | 18:01 |
| jinli | #info Jin Li | 18:01 |
| tomhambleton | Hi All | 18:01 |
| Rob__ | Hi Bin, Jin, Georg | 18:01 |
| Rob__ | Hi Tom | 18:01 |
| bh526r | Hi Tom | 18:01 |
| bh526r | Hi Robert | 18:01 |
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| bh526r | Please #info your name | 18:02 |
| tomhambleton | #info Tom Hambleton | 18:02 |
| bh526r | #topic Admin Update | 18:02 |
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| Rob__ | #info Robert Tao | 18:02 |
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| bh526r | #info Still waiting for room availability from Thierry | 18:03 |
| bh526r | In the worst case scenario, shall we plan to have a work session at either dinning table or rest area? | 18:04 |
| georgk | If you like, I get try to figure out if Ericsson has a room available | 18:05 |
| georgk | just in case | 18:05 |
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| bh526r | Great, thank you Georg. Please let me know once you have more information | 18:05 |
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| georgk | ok, I will | 18:05 |
| kamal___ | #info Kamal Hussain | 18:06 |
| bh526r | Thank you | 18:06 |
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| bh526r | #topic Tracking Progress of Gluon Development | 18:07 |
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| bh526r | Tom, I see your patch of requirement.txt was merged. Is Jenkins issue solved then by this patch? | 18:07 |
| tomhambleton | It should go through now. I am trying to see if we can get the jenkins test run again or if I need to push another patchset | 18:09 |
| Rob__ | Would it be good to make some Gluon flyers to distribute? | 18:09 |
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| bh526r | There should be "reverify" | 18:10 |
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| bh526r | Good point Rob. | 18:10 |
| bh526r | I was actually working on a Gluon flyer draft | 18:10 |
| bh526r | I will send to you Robert for comment | 18:11 |
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| Rob__ | Ok | 18:11 |
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| bh526r | Once Jenkins issue is solved, our code is merged, we will reach our first, but very fundamentally important milestone | 18:12 |
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| bh526r | #info Tom pushed a patch to address global-requirement dependency | 18:13 |
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| bh526r | #info This patch should address the Jenkins issue | 18:13 |
| bh526r | #info Tom will either reverify or push another patch to pass Jenkins gate/get Verified +1 | 18:14 |
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| bh526r | How Niko's proposal of database migration? | 18:15 |
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| bh526r | Are we still waiting for Ian's comments? | 18:15 |
| georgk | yes, as far as I know | 18:16 |
| georgk | i talked to him about this yesterday | 18:16 |
| bh526r | Good. What is Ian's plan then? | 18:16 |
| georgk | to Niko, I mean | 18:16 |
| georgk | sorry | 18:16 |
| bh526r | I see. | 18:17 |
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| georgk | just to make him aware of this again | 18:17 |
| georgk | no feedback from Ian yet | 18:17 |
| bh526r | Ok. Let me ping Ian again and see how soon he can post his comments | 18:17 |
| bh526r | #info Niko's database migration proposal is still pending on Ian's comments | 18:18 |
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| bh526r | #action Bin ping Ian again to find out how soon Ian's comments can be posted | 18:18 |
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| bh526r | Jin, how is your test plan proposal? | 18:19 |
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| jinli | I need some help on using fixtures to test DB functions | 18:20 |
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| bh526r | I see. Georg, do you or Niko know details of fixtures? | 18:21 |
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| georgk | sorry, I am not familiar with that | 18:22 |
| jinli | I have testing proposals now I need to write the code and run them. some help on using fixtures will be really appreciated. | 18:22 |
| bh526r | I see. Anyone here familiar with using fixtures? | 18:23 |
| bh526r | Ok, how about this, Jin? Can you submit the patch of testing proposal for review first? | 18:24 |
| jinli | ok | 18:25 |
| bh526r | Thank you Jin | 18:25 |
| georgk | I can try to support you, but as I said, I am not familiar | 18:25 |
| bh526r | #info Jin will submit the patch of test proposal for review | 18:25 |
| georgk | maybe you explain your needs in more detail in an email to me and Niko | 18:25 |
| bh526r | #info Jin will work with Georg and Niko for using fixtures to test DB functions | 18:26 |
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| bh526r | Is it good Jin? | 18:26 |
| jinli | sure, thanks | 18:26 |
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| bh526r | I just sent an email to Ian for his comments on Niko's patch | 18:27 |
| bh526r | I will text him later today too to remind him | 18:27 |
| bh526r | That's pretty much all from my side. | 18:29 |
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| bh526r | Anyone else has info or update to share? | 18:29 |
| tomhambleton | What about the techTalk on Wednesday? | 18:30 |
| bh526r | Oh yes, the #vBrownBag? | 18:30 |
| bh526r | #topic AOB | 18:30 |
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| Rob__ | On me: I managed to get old gluon running. haven't got to work with nova plugin yet. | 18:30 |
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| bh526r | #info Bin, Tom and Niko's proposal of Gluon implementation talk was accepted for #vBrownBag tech talk | 18:31 |
| Rob__ | That will be next for me. But need to know when the neutron plugin is ready to run, and guidence | 18:31 |
| bh526r | #info It will be 4:15pm on Wednesday | 18:32 |
| tomhambleton | Rob, I am working on that. | 18:32 |
| bh526r | #info Once we get Neutron Plugin etc working, we can prepare the slides | 18:32 |
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| Rob__ | Tom, as I set it fresh for ONOS, I may document what is needed along the process. | 18:33 |
| tomhambleton | Sounds good | 18:33 |
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| krenczewski | Is there any chance of video from this tech talk? | 18:34 |
| Rob__ | Please keep me posted when I can load the code and other stuff | 18:34 |
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| bh526r | So the most important is to get it work. Many thanks to Tom for the excellent work | 18:34 |
| bh526r | Kamil, yes, the video will be recorded by OpenStack staff and posted to Youtube after the talk | 18:35 |
| krenczewski | ok, great | 18:36 |
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| bh526r | Any other info/update to share? | 18:36 |
| tomhambleton | Removing gluon from the projects.txt file did not fix the requirements check issue | 18:37 |
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| bh526r | Ah Oh. | 18:37 |
| Rob__ | One question: Can someone send out the actual demo steps? | 18:37 |
| bh526r | No one has thought about demo steps before anything is working | 18:38 |
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| bh526r | Anyone in the channel knows how to fix global requirements check issue? | 18:39 |
| tomhambleton | I am thinking of abandoning the entire first review and starting over. | 18:40 |
| bh526r | Let's try that. | 18:40 |
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| tomhambleton | ok | 18:41 |
| bh526r | Meanwhile, you may try openstack-infra channel to ask the tricks of global requirement check | 18:41 |
| bh526r | Infrastructure team should know the tricks | 18:41 |
| tomhambleton | I thought removing it from the projects.txt file was the trick | 18:42 |
| bh526r | Perhaps there is another trick there | 18:42 |
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| bh526r | Or email them is also fine. But IRC may be more instant | 18:44 |
| tomhambleton | I will figure it out. Let's move on | 18:44 |
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| bh526r | eventually, when we try to apply for big tent in the future, we need to pass global requirement anyway | 18:45 |
| bh526r | But that's not the concern now | 18:45 |
| bh526r | ok, move on | 18:45 |
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| bh526r | Any other info/update to share? | 18:45 |
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| bh526r | OK. If no other info/update to share, let's adjourn the meeting | 18:47 |
| bh526r | #info Meeting adjourned | 18:47 |
| bh526r | Thank you everyone | 18:48 |
| Rob__ | Thanks bye | 18:48 |
| bh526r | Bye | 18:48 |
| tomhambleton | Bye All! | 18:48 |
| georgk | byw | 18:48 |
| georgk | bye | 18:48 |
| jinli | bye all | 18:48 |
| bh526r | #endmeeting | 18:48 |
| krenczewski | Bye | 18:48 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 21 18:48:38 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:48 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2016/gluon.2016-09-21-18.00.html | 18:48 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2016/gluon.2016-09-21-18.00.txt | 18:48 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/gluon/2016/gluon.2016-09-21-18.00.log.html | 18:48 |
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| CarolBarrett | #startmeeting WOS Mentoring | 20:08 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Sep 21 20:08:30 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is CarolBarrett. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 20:08 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 20:08 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'wos_mentoring' | 20:08 |
| CarolBarrett | Hi All - Sorry for being late | 20:08 |
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| aimeeu | hello! | 20:08 |
| CarolBarrett | Who is here for the mentoring team meeting? | 20:08 |
| CarolBarrett | Hi Aimeeu | 20:08 |
| ildikov | CarolBarrett: hi :) | 20:08 |
| vkmc | o/ | 20:09 |
| CarolBarrett | Glad you could join Ildikov | 20:09 |
| vkmc | hey hey | 20:09 |
| ildikov | CarolBarrett: if we have audio, I'm only on IRC | 20:09 |
| CarolBarrett | Only IRC today | 20:09 |
| ildikov | CarolBarrett: ok, cool, tnx for clarification! | 20:09 |
| mrmartin | o/ | 20:09 |
| CarolBarrett | Emily isn't joining today, but she laid out the agena | 20:09 |
| CarolBarrett | The 1st item is about the Speed Mentoring - Call for Mentors | 20:10 |
| CarolBarrett | I don't see any update on this in email or on wiki - Does anyone know status? | 20:11 |
| CarolBarrett | OK - then let's move to the next topic | 20:12 |
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| CarolBarrett | #topic Upstream Training | 20:12 |
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| CarolBarrett | Idilkov can you give an update on this? | 20:13 |
| ildikov | yeap | 20:13 |
| ildikov | we are having progress with updating the already existing content | 20:14 |
| ildikov | we have a few patches merged already and will continue and hopefully finish until the training with the updates | 20:14 |
| ildikov | I was asking about mentors here last week | 20:15 |
| ildikov | I don't have an update on that part yet | 20:15 |
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| ildikov | we are aiming for at least 5 but maybe even up to 10 mentors/helpers for the actual training | 20:15 |
| vkmc | ildikov, is there a bug tracker or something for the upstream training content? | 20:15 |
| ildikov | vkmc: we have an etherpad, I need to update it a bit with the latest progress: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/upstream-university-improvements | 20:16 |
| ildikov | vkmc: the open reviews are here: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack/training-guides | 20:17 |
| ildikov | tagged with [upstream] | 20:17 |
| CarolBarrett | ildkov: do you have people working with you on the mentor content? | 20:17 |
| vkmc | ildikov, thx | 20:17 |
| ildikov | the basic idea is update everything we can get to and add notes to the etherpad regarding who's working on what | 20:17 |
| ildikov | we are also re-organising content a bit | 20:17 |
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| ildikov | vkmc: if you plan to help out, you can either pick a section and update that or you can also think about ideas for exercises | 20:18 |
| ildikov | I would like to have more conversation and hands on even when we're at the beginning and more of lectures than touching code I think it's better to let people talk, search fro information for themselves, etc | 20:18 |
| ildikov | so basically I think we could do a better job to teach people how to solve problems and spend a bit less time with just talk to them | 20:19 |
| CarolBarrett | That makes sense to me - there are lots of ways for people to contribute to the community | 20:19 |
| vkmc | ildikov++ | 20:19 |
| vkmc | yeah, I got that feeling... people were expecting to have a hand-on rather than hearing more about governance and that | 20:20 |
| ildikov | CarolBarrett: I think there's a sign up for mentorship that includes the question that who can participate on the training | 20:20 |
| CarolBarrett | On the website? | 20:20 |
| vkmc | something I think it will be helpful as well, is to explain the dynamic of the workshop before starting | 20:20 |
| ildikov | vkmc: I think we could somehow make even the governance part more interesting if we put some thoughts around that | 20:20 |
| vkmc | say... we are going to explain you this and that, and you will do this and that | 20:20 |
| vkmc | ildikov, agree | 20:21 |
| ildikov | CarolBarrett: that's a good question, I would need to check the logs from the last meeting to be sure | 20:21 |
| CarolBarrett | #link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Mentors | 20:21 |
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| vkmc | ildikov, we could do some improv in order to illustrate which kind of situations governance deal with and how do they do it | 20:21 |
| CarolBarrett | #link: https://openstackfoundation.formstack.com/forms/mentoring | 20:21 |
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| ildikov | vkmc: yeap, and having exercises about finding the info and then we can talk about the meaning of things and focus on best practices, etc | 20:22 |
| vkmc | yeah | 20:22 |
| ildikov | vkmc: +1, so if you have time and interest in brainstorming about ideas to improve these things please let me know! | 20:22 |
| CarolBarrett | I don't see anything about creating content for training in the mentoring sign-up form or the wiki | 20:22 |
| CarolBarrett | Think we need a plan for this, esp if you want content by Barcelona - is that your target? | 20:23 |
| vkmc | ildikov, will do! thanks | 20:23 |
| ildikov | vkmc: we plan to have a Google Hangout on aligning about the content updates this week: http://doodle.com/poll/7x2wtpqa2579eihb | 20:24 |
| vkmc | ildikov, awesome! | 20:24 |
| ildikov | if you can find any slot that works for you, we can touch on this topic as well | 20:24 |
| CarolBarrett | Gotcha - thanks! | 20:24 |
| ildikov | Friday looks the most probable day | 20:24 |
| ildikov | CarolBarrett: the content update is ongoing and we have a few hands for that | 20:25 |
| CarolBarrett | Anything else on this topic? | 20:25 |
| vkmc | yeah... friday would work better for me too | 20:25 |
| vkmc | great, let's do that | 20:25 |
| ildikov | CarolBarrett: when I'll have more info about the sig ups I will have a better idea how many people interested in participating in the mentoring program | 20:25 |
| ildikov | CarolBarrett: also we need people for the training who sit together with the students and help them | 20:26 |
| ildikov | CarolBarrett: that's not finalised yet, who can come and do that | 20:26 |
| ildikov | CarolBarrett: also, do you have any update on having content for the WGs module? | 20:26 |
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| ildikov | vkmc: great! | 20:26 |
| CarolBarrett | ildikov: What signups are you referring to? Upstream training? | 20:26 |
| ildikov | vkmc: considering your mentoring expertise, I would be really glad if we could count on you on this! | 20:27 |
| ildikov | CarolBarrett: yeap | 20:27 |
| vkmc | ildikov, sure thing, I booked my flights accordingly :) | 20:27 |
| CarolBarrett | ildikov: Working to have a draft of the WG content this week - Edgar and I discussed the outline in Guadalajara | 20:27 |
| CarolBarrett | OK | 20:27 |
| vkmc | ildikov, will be arriving BCN on Saturday night | 20:27 |
| ildikov | CarolBarrett: we added a small questionnaire about areas of interest and also the willingness of participating in the mentoring program | 20:28 |
| ildikov | vkmc: amazing!!! tnx! :) | 20:28 |
| vkmc | np! | 20:28 |
| CarolBarrett | ildikov: to what questionaire was this added? | 20:28 |
| ildikov | vkmc: I also meant the preparation part as I smell you have great ideas how to make the training more interesting! :) | 20:28 |
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| ildikov | CarolBarrett: the registration form to the training contains it | 20:29 |
| vkmc | ildikov, sure, count me in for that as well | 20:29 |
| CarolBarrett | All sounds good | 20:29 |
| CarolBarrett | Ready to move on? | 20:29 |
| ildikov | CarolBarrett: we felt it could be a good idea to check what people are up to and get enough mentors to cover the needs | 20:29 |
| ildikov | vkmc: tnx much! | 20:29 |
| CarolBarrett | +1 | 20:29 |
| ildikov | CarolBarrett: yeap, we can sync up on the WGs separately | 20:30 |
| ildikov | CarolBarrett: thank you! | 20:30 |
| CarolBarrett | OK - Next topic | 20:30 |
| CarolBarrett | #topic •Follow ups with mentors freed from matches | 20:30 |
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| CarolBarrett | MeganR are you here? | 20:30 |
| CarolBarrett | I don't see her here - Does anyone else have an update on this? | 20:31 |
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| CarolBarrett | OK - moving along... | 20:31 |
| CarolBarrett | #topic Graduation plan discussion | 20:32 |
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| CarolBarrett | This topic is about how do we define 'done' for a mentoring session? | 20:32 |
| CarolBarrett | And how do we communicate that and facilitate that with the matches | 20:33 |
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| CarolBarrett | Thoughts? | 20:33 |
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| CarolBarrett | The main purpose of wanting to define the end of a mentoring session is to enable new mentees to be paired up | 20:35 |
| * diablo_rojo sneaks in lae | 20:35 | |
| diablo_rojo | *late | 20:35 |
| CarolBarrett | and to help keep a focus on working towards goals in a mentoring relationship | 20:35 |
| aimeeu | I received feedback from a mentee on the graduation subject and am trying to locate the email... | 20:35 |
| CarolBarrett | Hi diablo_rojo - thanks for joining | 20:35 |
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| CarolBarrett | aimeeu: that would be good to hear | 20:36 |
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| CarolBarrett | Ok - if there's no thoughts on this one, we can move on.... | 20:38 |
| aimeeu | found it! Jaime thought checking in at 3 months was a good idea but had no opinion on graduation or length of program | 20:38 |
| diablo_rojo | I would agree with that | 20:38 |
| CarolBarrett | aimeeu: Thanks - Do you know if the check-in emails were sent? | 20:38 |
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| CarolBarrett | do either of you have thoughts on how long we should support a match before we propose they graduate? | 20:39 |
| ildikov | I think it's also good to have a "target" to reach as opposed to something seemingly endless | 20:39 |
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| diablo_rojo | I think its going to vary based on the pair of people | 20:39 |
| aimeeu | CarolBarrett: Yes, I think Emily or maybe Megan (or Danielle?) sent emails | 20:39 |
| ildikov | and I didn't really mean time as target | 20:39 |
| aimeeu | I remember Jaime saying that the mentoring relationship just kind of comes to a natural end, some pairs sooner than others | 20:39 |
| ildikov | but more to see how successful the mentee is and how much he/she can do things by him/herself, etc. | 20:40 |
| CarolBarrett | Agree 1 size doesn't fit all - what are some of the thoughts on options? | 20:40 |
| diablo_rojo | Erin Disney at the foundation updated the follow up survey, but I dont know that its been sent out to current mentor/mentees | 20:40 |
| diablo_rojo | I have the survey though so if I get a list of names I can email the current group. | 20:40 |
| CarolBarrett | diablo_rojo: Do you want to ping Erin and check on her plans? | 20:41 |
| diablo_rojo | For? | 20:42 |
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| diablo_rojo | I don't think she was the one that was going to send it out to the group. | 20:42 |
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| diablo_rojo | Not sure who signed up for that | 20:42 |
| CarolBarrett | I was thinking to see if she plans to send out the updated survey or if she was looking to you (or someone else) to do that | 20:42 |
| diablo_rojo | Someone else had volunteered I thought | 20:43 |
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| CarolBarrett | I think we'd need to get the list of names from Emily | 20:43 |
| diablo_rojo | Don't remember who though | 20:43 |
| diablo_rojo | Might have to look back through logs. | 20:43 |
| CarolBarrett | can you share the link to survey? | 20:43 |
| diablo_rojo | I had volunteered to send out the new survey to collect more mentor/mentees/ | 20:43 |
| diablo_rojo | Sure one sec | 20:44 |
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| diablo_rojo | https://openstackfoundation.formstack.com/forms/mentoring_feedback_survey | 20:44 |
| CarolBarrett | diablo_rojo: Gotcha! For that one, it would seem like we'd send it to a couple of Community mail lists. Like: Dev, User Committee, Product WG, etc | 20:44 |
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| diablo_rojo | I can definitely do that. I am only subscribed to the dev so thats what I was going to do, but I can add the others. | 20:46 |
| CarolBarrett | diablo_rojo: you can find a list of the maillists here: | 20:47 |
| CarolBarrett | #link http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo | 20:47 |
| diablo_rojo | CarolBarrett gracias :) | 20:47 |
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| CarolBarrett | I think it would be good to include Community, Foundation, Marketing, OpenStack, Openstack-dev, Product-WG, User Committee, Women-of-Openstack | 20:48 |
| CarolBarrett | diablo_rojo: can you send that out this week? | 20:48 |
| diablo_rojo | Yep :) | 20:49 |
| CarolBarrett | Great! Thank you! | 20:49 |
| CarolBarrett | The last topic for today | 20:49 |
| CarolBarrett | #Topic Mentoring for people coming from other open source projects | 20:49 |
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| CarolBarrett | I think this is about helping people coming from other OpenSource communities (OPNFV as an example) to understand how to contribute to OpenStack | 20:50 |
| ildikov | that would be really good | 20:50 |
| ildikov | and I think having some focus on things like WGs is even more important for this one | 20:51 |
| CarolBarrett | ildikov - Have you gotten requests for this type of content? | 20:51 |
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| ildikov | not directly | 20:52 |
| ildikov | I was involved in OPNFV a bit more earlier | 20:52 |
| diablo_rojo | Gotta drop here, but if there is anything else you need from me- bother ildikov and she can tell me :) | 20:52 |
| CarolBarrett | I see the value of this, but given that we can't meet the mentoring match demand from within our community, I would rather use content on our website or a session at a Summit to handle this | 20:52 |
| ildikov | if we can just have more pointers regarding how they can participate that helps as sometimes even communication about ideas go slowly and not always that well | 20:53 |
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| ildikov | CarolBarrett: at this stage I agree, let's point them to the doors and address mentoring when that step is done if you know how I mean | 20:54 |
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| ildikov | diablo_rojo: sure, don't read the logs, I will give you tasks! ;) | 20:54 |
| CarolBarrett | Is the upstream training recorded? Could we point them to the section on WGs? | 20:54 |
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| ildikov | as far as I know it's not | 20:55 |
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| ildikov | but I think I can get a lightning talk slot, I will ask | 20:55 |
| CarolBarrett | Oh well. We can always post the content for people to find | 20:55 |
| CarolBarrett | That would be good | 20:56 |
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| ildikov | recording the whole training is not that valuable from the perspective of it is hands-on mostly and we plan to have group exercises | 20:56 |
| ildikov | but I'm sure we can find a way to cover this, I will ask around and let you know | 20:56 |
| CarolBarrett | understand - was really looking for just this 1 module | 20:56 |
| CarolBarrett | Thank you. | 20:56 |
| CarolBarrett | We're almost out of time - any opens? | 20:57 |
| CarolBarrett | #topic Opens | 20:57 |
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| vkmc | quick one | 20:57 |
| vkmc | Outreachy internships application has opened last week | 20:57 |
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| vkmc | we would need to spread the word about this program | 20:57 |
| vkmc | deadline for application is Oct 17 | 20:57 |
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| CarolBarrett | is there a link you can share? | 20:58 |
| vkmc | there is | 20:58 |
| CarolBarrett | I haven't heard about this | 20:58 |
| vkmc | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Outreachy | 20:58 |
| CarolBarrett | Thanks! | 20:58 |
| vkmc | we have a few internship ideas already and several interested applicants | 20:58 |
| vkmc | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Internship_ideas | 20:58 |
| CarolBarrett | Thanks | 20:58 |
| CarolBarrett | Any other opens? | 20:58 |
| vkmc | thanks! | 20:59 |
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| CarolBarrett | OK - That's it for today. Emily will be back for our meeting next week. Thanks Everyone! | 20:59 |
| CarolBarrett | #endmeeting | 20:59 |
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| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Sep 21 20:59:56 2016 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/wos_mentoring/2016/wos_mentoring.2016-09-21-20.08.html | 20:59 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/wos_mentoring/2016/wos_mentoring.2016-09-21-20.08.txt | 20:59 |
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| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/wos_mentoring/2016/wos_mentoring.2016-09-21-20.08.log.html | 21:00 |
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