Wednesday, 2016-09-21

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lbragstaddo we have a doc meeting?00:46
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ianychoilbragstad, today meeting has been canceled T.T01:25
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ianychoilbragstad, FYI:
lbragstadianychoi ah - I now see that on the mailing list :)01:26
ianychoiYep.. oh you've already found :)01:27
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lbragstadianychoi thanks for the ping though!01:29
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ianychoilbragstad, np :)01:31
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therve#startmeeting heat08:03
openstackMeeting started Wed Sep 21 08:03:20 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is therve. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.08:03
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'heat'08:03
therve#topic Roll call08:03
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therve#topic Adding items to agenda08:06
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therve#topic RC2 status08:07
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therveThis is some remaining backports for RC208:07
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therveDo we have any master patches that still need to go in?08:08
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stevebakerI'm not aware of any that haven't been proposed08:08
stevebakerto stable08:08
stevebakerlike these
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therveI'm interested in
therveIf someone could have a look that'd be great08:10
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therveNo other request?08:11
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stevebakerI've just proposed a python-heatclient-1.5.0, for tripleo08:12
therveOK cool08:12
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therveIt looks like we're in okay shape then. We can propose rc2 early next week.08:12
therve#topic Gate status08:13
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therveramishra, Let me guess: neutron breakage08:13
ramishraIt's been ok since a few hours back.08:13
ramishratherve: actually openstacksdk change.08:13
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ramishraI mean new version08:14
therveramishra, Is necessary?08:14
stevebakerI didn't even realise openstackclient was using openstacksdk08:14
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ramishratherve: getting a new osc release would take time I think08:14
ramishraif we are ok with it, then we can wait for it.08:15
thervestevebaker, turtles all the way down08:15
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therveLet's just approve that08:15
stevebakerI mean, I'm not against it08:15
therveI don't give a crap if it works :)08:15
therveRegarding the gate, it feels we had a couple of good days08:16
therveBut intermittent failures got back it seems08:16
therveMaybe it was just infra being in slightly better shape08:16
therveMoving on08:17
ramishraI've raised a new bug for SDG test, stevebaker if you have some clue what's going on.08:17
openstackLaunchpad bug 1625921 in heat "SoftwareDeploymentGroupTest fails at times with TimeoutException" [Medium,New]08:17
stevebakerramishra: OK, I'll take a look tomorrow unless you get there first08:18
therveI'll have a quick look too08:18
ramishrastevebaker: I had a look this morning. No idea why signals to resources are ignored.08:18
ramishrano errors08:18
therve#topic Quota validation spec08:19
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therveduvarenkov, for you I suppose08:19
ricolin_afkduvarenkov: for cinder quota, we already have a version of quota validation merged08:20
therveSo like all validation, I'm concerned about duplicating info from other services08:20
therveHow do you retrieve quota info?08:20
ricolin_afkduvarenkov: is that that what you refering?08:20
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duvarenkovI'll look about cinder quota validation08:21
duvarenkovDidnt know about it08:21
duvarenkovtherve, I suppose, from service client08:21
thervericolin_afk, Doesn't that just validation quota update?08:22
therveI mean, does it check we create a volume for example?08:22
ricolin_afktherve: yes it is08:22
prazumovskyricolin_afk: could you share, where we have quota validation? Or you mean quota resource validation? In that case, no, it's like separate pre-create validation, which calculate, is stack exceeds quota or not08:23
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ramishraIMO, the idea is good, use the quota api from services to check requirement vs availability during validation.08:23
ricolin_afkprazumovsky: I only mean a quota validation for cinder::quota resource08:24
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thervericolin_afk, Right, here we're talking about checking quota when you create a resource08:24
ricolin_afkthat's why I'm asking what we're looking at for quota08:24
duvarenkov<ricolin_afk>: No, thats not the idea of the spec08:24
duvarenkovIts whole stack validation, not just one resource08:24
shardydoes pre-create validation of quota really mean anything?  You've not got any way to know if the same quota exists when the stack is actually instantiated?08:24
shardyseems like a runtime thing to me, so you can fail-fast before starting the stack create08:25
ricolin_afkduvarenkov: got it08:25
ramishrashardy: +1, good pint08:25
therveYeah, it's highly racy08:26
duvarenkovDon't quite understand. Some quota is always existent.08:26
duvarenkovBy cinder quota resource we can just change it08:26
therveduvarenkov, Once you got the quota, it may have already changed08:26
therveThere is no transactional information08:26
therveYou may prevent from creating stacks that would succeed, and let validate stacks that will fail08:27
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shardyEven on create it's racy, if you create multiple stacks concurrently08:27
shardybecause quota doesn't allow for reservations08:27
duvarenkovYes, I think you are right08:28
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shardyso you could argue it's best to just to even try to validate, and just let the last unlucky stack fail when the quota is exceeded08:28
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ricolin_afkshardy: agree08:28
shardynot even try to validate I mean08:28
therveIt may be interesting for preview08:28
shardyyeah, perhaps for preview it could be useful08:29
duvarenkovCan you, please, share your thoughts in comments for review? We'll think about pros and cons08:29
shardymost of the preview results aren't accurate anyway ;)08:29
therveRight :)08:29
therveOK, moving on08:29
therve#topic Open discussion08:29
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shardyI had one question, following on from the validation topic above08:30
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shardyHas anyone given any further thought to how we solve the problem of nested validation, where a required parameter in a nested template can't know if any value will/would be passed from the parent?08:30
shardyramishra: I remember we talked about it fairly recently08:31
shardyI'm not sure if there's a bug, but it was a known issue from when I worked on the implementation with jdob08:31
shardyand was somewhat discussed in austin:08:31
ricolin_afkshardy: for
openstackLaunchpad bug 1559807 in heat "Some intrinsic functions fail when referencing get_attr" [Medium,Confirmed] - Assigned to Steven Hardy (shardy)08:31
shardyIt's become something of a headache for TripleO08:31
ricolin_afkshardy: I'm target about it08:31
ricolin_afkshardy: include nested or not08:32
ramishrashardy: I had the impression that someone is working on it after the last summit discussion.08:32
therveshardy, I don't remember talking about that specific issue during the session08:32
ricolin_afkshardy: and for nested stack, I have some poc for considering centerlize validate for resource group08:32
shardyricolin_afk: Yeah, it's quite closely related to that08:33
ricolin_afkshardy: Is that what you needed?08:33
ramishratherve: I aslso assumed it's part of the overall validation improvement topic.08:33
shardytherve: basically my problem will be fixed when we pass around a placeholder object, instead of None during validation08:33
shardyso I think it was indirectly discussed08:34
therveAh, okay08:34
shardyI'll check the bugs and raise one specific to validation tho08:34
therveThat'd be cool, not sure I understand the specifics of your problem08:35
therveI don't think anyone started working on the placeholder thing08:35
ricolin_afkWe simply seperate validate and real creation by passing place holder08:35
shardytherve: ack, that's basically what I wanted to confirm08:36
therve"simply" :)08:36
shardybe good to figure out a way to fix that for Ocata08:36
therveI think we figured out the way, just need to push the idea08:36
therveHopefully once release craziness settles down we can find some time08:36
therveramishra, BTW, when do you take over? :)08:37
stevebakerramishra: congrats by the way08:37
ramishratherve: you can continue as long as you want:)08:37
shardy+1 thanks for volunteering ramishra08:37
therveramishra, So yesterday? :p08:38
ramishrathanks shardy stevebaker08:38
therveBut yeah congrats!08:38
therveI think I'll do next meeting, and rc2, and give you the keys to the castle08:38
ramishraI think this is the election week, once the results are out;)08:38
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therveSounds good :)08:39
therveAnything else?08:39
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therveAlright, thanks all!08:40
therve#endmeeting heat08:40
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BobBall#startmeeting XenAPI09:32
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BobBalljohnthetubaguy: ping :)09:32
jianghuawGood morning BobBall and johnthetubaguy.09:33
jianghuawGood afternoon, Huan.09:33
BobBallAfternoon jianghuaw09:33
BobBall#topic Blueprints09:33
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BobBallRight - so Ocata is open!09:33
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BobBallNew priorities tracking link:09:33
huanxiehi all09:34
BobBallCould you check that blueprints we want approved in Ocata are in the list09:34
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BobBallIn particular I think we have a spec-less BP for vif plug which is not on the list?09:34
BobBallWe should also have a spec-less BP for XenAPI's implementation of device tagging09:35
huanxieYes, I will add it to the list09:35
BobBallbut John Hua is on vacation today09:35
BobBallI will ask him to add it09:35
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BobBallhuanxie: Just a point; we need the spec to be approved *before* the code is ready to be reviewed by nova core09:35
BobBallso if the VIF hotplug spec has not yet been approved, the code review shouldn't be in that list09:36
huanxieBobBall, there is a BP for it so I didn't create a new one09:36
johnthetubaguyare you sure thats the right place to put those? I thought spec less BPs should be added to the meeting agenda09:36
BobBallhuanxie: Is it an Ocata BP?09:36
BobBalljohnthetubaguy: I'm sure you know better than me :)09:37
huanxieI see johnthetubaguy raised a BP for VIF hot plug, so I just use that one09:37
BobBallAh, I see - this is one of johnthetubaguy's 3 year old BPs :)09:38
BobBalljohnthetubaguy: does this need a spec now?  or do you think this is OK for spec-less?09:38
huanxieShould I use this BP or I create a new one?09:38
BobBallI'd assume spec-less as it's a very well understood requirement09:38
johnthetubaguyspec-less seems OK09:38
johnthetubaguyits a "me too" feature09:38
johnthetubaguythere was code up for that BP too, somewhere09:39
BobBallOK - so we'll put that on the next nova meeting agenda09:39
BobBallIndeed; and huanxie has already adapted that and proved it works with the new code structure.09:39
johnthetubaguyyeah, I think thats the best way to get us to decide the way forward on that09:39
BobBallThe next BP we want is one for os-xenapi09:39
huanxieyes, with that patch it can pass tempest and manual test09:39
BobBalljianghuaw is currently investigating this one and we'll get a spec + BP up as soon as we can09:39
BobBallBut, as a first push, I think we want to move session code and dom0 plugins to os-xenapi09:40
BobBallBoth are used by multiple projects (nova, neutron, ceilometer) and so it makes sense to clean up Nova as well by removing the Python 2.4 code09:40
jianghuawyes, the plan is to move the xenapi plugins to os-xenapi also.09:41
BobBallThoughts johnthetubaguy?  Good pair of things to move, anything else you think we should push to move in the first instance?09:41
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BobBallping for johnthetubaguy :)09:43
BobBallWe may have lost johnthetubaguy09:44
johnthetubaguysorry, distracted09:44
BobBallAnything else we should cover?09:44
johnthetubaguyI think moving the plugins is a good start09:44
johnthetubaguyits worth starting small09:44
johnthetubaguyand folks will like those plugins going away from the nova tree09:45
BobBallI really want to move a bunch of the session code too because we're using that in Neutron and Ceilometer - but very badly in those two projects09:45
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johnthetubaguyyeah, +1 on that being the next thing to move09:45
BobBallNova's XenAPI session handling is comparatively light years ahead09:45
johnthetubaguyI mean move nova's into the lib, then later we stop using nova's09:46
johnthetubaguyI guess its good to have real code in the lib, so thats a good starting point09:46
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johnthetubaguyyeah, I buy that, seems like a good start09:46
BobBallOK - huanxie / jianghuaw - Anything I've forgotten on the spec/BP front?09:47
huanxienone for me09:47
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BobBall#topic Reviews09:47
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BobBallIs there anything stuck?09:47
BobBallI saw yesterday that some of the UT code has been merged jianghuaw09:48
BobBallalong with the bandwidth vif fix, so that's good09:48
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jianghuawand also hope this one will be approved soon: - Use raw disk format as default when create image with glance v209:48
johnthetubaguyI guess pick the top 4 or 5 and get them into the etherpad09:48
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BobBallThere are a bunch in the etherpad of course - but with the etherpad being so huge it's proving to not be a good way to push for reviews09:49
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johnthetubaguyyep, we are talking about just deleting the non-priority things really09:50
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johnthetubaguythere was that review board idea, but not sure that saw traction09:50
johnthetubaguywe basically don't have enough folks reviewing code right now, people are just not stepping up there09:50
BobBall is a good example - has been in the etherpad for ages and is a trivial fix - but I think you were the only core to look at it, and that was last checked a month ago09:51
johnthetubaguytrying to spread the idea of doing at least 5 code reviews for every patchset (not review) you upload09:51
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johnthetubaguywell, the last month is a bad example, becusase everyone should be focused on rc critical stuff09:52
johnthetubaguyso thats quite correct09:52
johnthetubaguylast few days we are opened back up a bit, obviously09:52
BobBallUnfortunately without a tool to enforce that and track progress against it - for example a way to ensure that reviews done have some impact on getting reviews on the changes you care about - it's hard to justify deep reviews09:53
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johnthetubaguythere is no simple way to spot a good review09:54
BobBallIt's great for the community in general (hopefully) of course - but justifying it to managers it's just effort that goes into a black hole - possibly in entirely the wrong direction - with no return on the time spent09:54
johnthetubaguyright, we have made it offical policy that it should be done, and why it needs doing09:54
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johnthetubaguyif there is any more I can write down for you to get permission, do shout up09:54
BobBallWhere is that policy documented?09:54
BobBallIt's not about more documentation, just that the traceability of "doing more reviews" is precisely zero currently09:55
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johnthetubaguywell, thats not true, we can trace *some* reviews very quickly09:55
johnthetubaguyso reading through that, its not forceful enough09:56
johnthetubaguywe could make it more forceful09:56
BobBallAs we've discussed before, even if we do 10 reviews for every patchset uploaded, there is no feedback mechanism for effort to be directed to the things we care about09:56
johnthetubaguyright, thats not really the point09:57
johnthetubaguyif everyone does 10 reviews, there is a way smaller queue, and loads of patches ready to merge, so the core time can be more wisely spent09:57
BobBallNah - the problem with that is that random reviews speed up overall velocity, great, but if the overall velocity is 99% in favour of libvirt changes (for example) then the impact of doing more reviews on changes where we want some reviews is virtually zero09:57
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BobBallAbsolutely - but my point is that the vast majority of that core time is still focused on their own priorities / nova priorities which are for the most part focused around libvirt09:59
BobBallAlso, the nova queue is *huge* and so random reviews, rather than targetted ones, are most likely to hit changes that would unlikely to be reviewed by core reviewers anyway10:00
johnthetubaguytrue, but we are currently swamped by that stuff, so its hard to make time for the other stuff10:00
BobBallBut, we're getting too detailed.10:00
BobBallI'm very much looking forward to the rest of the Newton retrospective and the discussion of permitting non-core +2's in particular subtrees scheduled for Barcelona10:00
johnthetubaguywe don't see folks reviews enough to build up the trust right now for that to happen10:01
johnthetubaguyI want it to happen, but its just not happening right now10:02
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BobBallI presume you know about the discussion proposed for Barcelona and the posts to openstack-dev on this subject in the last few days?10:02
johnthetubaguybtw, one one of these was lib-virt specific, one of them only happened in libvirt so far, but its not specific:
johnthetubaguyI know about the etherpad, not followed the latest threads10:03
BobBallFair enough - well - it looks like some other core reviewers think that such a model is justifiable now10:04
BobBallAnd I should have been clearer - rather than being libvirt specific, my point is that there are specialised sections (such as XenAPI) which could be argued to be that 1% of developer effort10:05
johnthetubaguyyeah, I have been campaigning for it for years, the problem is building up the trust relationship to make it happen10:05
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BobBallThankfully the proposal seems to suggest that the level of "trust" in the reviews doesn't have to be huge - suggesting that only core reviewers could +A and with a banhammer in easy reach10:07
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BobBallTherefore the impact on a bad +2 from a subsystem maintainer is small as the core is likely not to +2 really bad/incomplete changes - as long as you trust your cores10:08
BobBallAnyway - we have over-run today10:09
BobBallIs there anything more to cover?10:09
BobBallThanks all!10:10
jianghuawnone from me. thanks.10:10
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tonyb#startmeeting requirements12:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Sep 21 12:00:18 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is tonyb. Information about MeetBot at
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tonyb#topic rollcall12:00
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tonyband dirk12:00
coolsvaphello tonyb o/12:01
coolsvaphello dirk o/12:01
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tonybI'm not sure we'll get prometheanfire today12:02
tonybso it make just be the 3 of us ...12:02
tonyb#topic Any controversies in the Queue?12:03
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coolsvapyes i think he's not well12:03
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tonybOh speak of prometheanfire ;P12:03
tonyb... in a good way12:04
coolsvapprometheanfire: hey12:04
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tonybSo anything open on master we need to talk about?12:04
coolsvapwe have merged lot of things today12:04
coolsvapnothing that i am aware of12:04
tonybcoolsvap: Yeah quite a few things :)12:05
tonybThere is a potential FFE/Backport coming for python-heatclient but I don't have a lot of information there.12:05
tonybThe generate-constraints update is very red :(12:06
tonybwhich probably isn't surprising after so long not merging it ... it's a big one12:06
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dirkdo we want to split it a bit?12:08
tonybDoes anyone have time to break it up into smaller chunks to get some of it merged?12:08
tonybdirk: snap ... sort of12:08
dirkhow do I do that?12:09
dirkI can spend a bit of time on it I guess12:09
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tonybdirk: I'd certinaly remove anythign that we have another chnage ie tenacity, gabbi etc12:10
tonyband anything openstack (tripleo-common. DIB)12:10
tonyband then see what the gate looks like12:10
tonybit's fairly new so we have ~20 hours to get it into a mergable state before it get clobbered12:11
dirktonyb: ok, I'll give it a shot. I'll first remove the openstack bits12:11
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dirkthe error message about missing yaml doesn't make entire sense to me12:11
tonybdirk: Thanks.12:11
prometheanfireI won't have time to split it like I normally do today, busy day12:11
tonybprometheanfire: Will you have time to take a look at it if dirk does the splitting?12:13
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tonybprometheanfire: dirk: cool thanks.12:14
tonybHmm this is second time I've seen that the infra mirrors are out of sync with pypi :(12:14
tonybmoving on?12:15
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tonyb#topic Master is open12:16
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tonybWell I guess that isn't really a topic as such and we kinda covered it12:16
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tonybWe merged a lot today but I'd like to be a little more sedate for the next few days if we can do that ...12:17
tonybI know it's hard when we've accumulated a backlog12:17
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tonyb#topic Barcelona Design Summit12:18
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tonybPlease put your ideas in there12:18
tonybI think lower bounds testsing is going to be a big push12:18
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prometheanfireyep, that's the big thing I'd like to see this cycle at least12:18
tonybWe have one session which is Thur 3:30-4:10 ATM12:19
tonybprometheanfire: dhellmann has some ideas that I'm trying to digest.12:19
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tonybI was going for a much smaller increment than his suggestion ... but we can aim high ;P12:20
prometheanfireya, we talked about it a few days ago, between the bug and the two etherpads there are a good amount of ideas12:20
dirktonyb: I am personally a big fan of aim low and iterate fast :)12:20
openstackLaunchpad bug 1623571 in OpenStack Global Requirements "lower-constraints blueprint idea dumping ground" [Undecided,New]12:20
tonybdirk: :)12:20
prometheanfireone etherpad, not two12:21
tonybprometheanfire: Thanks.  I hadn't seen that bug12:21
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prometheanfiredirk: I personally like that too, if that method is appropriate12:21
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tonybThe idea of mixing lower-constraints with relaxed requirements management (divergent management?) is the thing that concerens me12:23
tonybrigth now I think of them differently the aim of both is being more user friendly but ....12:24
tonybanyway I need to make some time to ride a bike and thing about them befoer Barcelona12:24
prometheanfireya, the combined method can still be devided up though12:25
prometheanfireanyway, stuff to think and talk about12:26
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tonybprometheanfire: sure, as long as the endgame is aligned12:26
tonyb#topic Tasks from Etherpad12:26
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tonybNothing more to say there really.  I think we can move the "spin out team" item to done (and just leave a new item for define electorate12:28
prometheanfireno update12:28
prometheanfirethat sounds good12:28
tonybI'm pretty sure item 1 is done also12:29
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tonybwith the py27-with-constraints job12:29
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tonybperhaps there is a need to extend that out to py3512:29
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tonyb#topic Open Discussion12:30
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tonybgo forth and discuss openly ....12:31
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dirkseriously, I have no topics right now.12:34
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prometheanfireya, me neither12:34
tonybso odyssey4me is asking for reviews on
tonybthat's abut all I have ....12:34
dirkah, didn't look at that12:35
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tonybYeah I sware it wasn't there today when I thought I reviewed everythign open on master12:35
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tonybanyway I think we're done for this meeting12:36
tonybwe can chat in #openstack-requirements or sleep or drink whatever you like12:37
tonybThanks all12:37
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Yipei hello13:01
joehuang#startmeeting tricircle13:01
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joehuang#topic rollcall13:01
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joehuang#info joehuang13:01
Guest90275#info shiyangkai13:01
zhiyuan#info zhiyuan13:01
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dongfeng#info dongfeng13:02
yinxiulin#info xiulin13:02
hejiawei#info jiawei13:02
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joehuang#topic freeze date13:02
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joehuanghello, as you know the Newton release is approaching13:03
liuzeyu#info liuzeyu13:03
joehuangit's around Oct.15 for Nova/Cinder/Neutron13:03
joehuangso we need to define our freeze date now13:03
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joehuangi.e, the deadline for the patch to be merged in Newton release for Tricircle13:04
joehuangafter that no new pacth will be merged in Tricircle for newton release unless exception approved by PTL13:05
joehuangand we need to leave some time to prepare Newton tricircle release, for example, release note, devstack change, etc13:05
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joehuangwhat about your proposals?13:06
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zhiyuanmaybe two weeks before the Nova/Cinder/Neutron deadline13:07
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joehuangmake sense13:08
joehuangthat means before Chinese Oct.1 public holidy13:08
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joehuangother proposal?13:09
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Yipeibefore Oct. 1 +113:10
joehuangI think you guy all want a relax holiday :)13:11
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zhiyuanthat's right :)13:11
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yinxiulinoct.1 +113:11
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joehuangok, so let's define the freeze date as Sept.30, so you can enjoy your holiday without worry about your patch13:12
joehuang#info freeze date Sept.3013:13
zhiyuanAs I replied in the maillist, I have submitted all the patches for the features going to be merged, so there is only work to review for my part.13:13
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joehuangok, let's go through patch by patch13:14
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joehuangyou can view all patches here
yinxiulinme to13:15
joehuangif the patche can and must be merged before freeze date, let's marked here with #info before that13:16
joehuangfor example13:16
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joehuangone moment13:19
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joehuangwe need one etherpad to list, and short discussion and then put it here with #info13:20
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joehuangso put the patch in first13:21
joehuangthen if we think it's ok, we tag it here with #info13:21
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shiyangkaiI see13:25
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zhiyuanhow to distinguish the old info tag and new info tag?13:30
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joehuangthis is my fault13:33
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joehuangI think through etherpad, we can identify which one must be merged before freeze date13:34
joehuangis there any patch marked with info here not mentioned in the etherpad?13:34
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zhiyuanno for me13:37
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zhiyuanjoe, I find you have added jiawei's13:38
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joehuangxiongqiu's patch has not been updated for long time13:39
yinxiulinno for me13:40
joehuangand for volume type, another way is suggested13:40
hejiaweiwe will update,if he have no time,I will update it13:40
hejiaweifor xiongqiu's patch13:40
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joehuangok, it's good to have13:40
joehuangfor volume type, I think it should be "do not merge"13:41
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joehuanggood, is there any patch missed in the discussion?13:42
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joehuanggreat, so let's work according to the etherpad13:43
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joehuang#info patches must be merged before freeze date is listed in
joehuanghi, ronghui13:44
rong_huisorry for late13:44
rong_huiand i just came back13:44
joehuangplease go through to see if it works for you13:44
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rong_huii think there is a function for cinder we must to do13:46
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rong_huiand i test it13:48
joehuangpatch number>13:48
rong_huino number13:48
hejiaweidetach in xiongqiu's patch13:49
joehuangwhich patch?13:49
joehuangso please submit a patch immediately13:50
rong_huiwait a second13:50
rong_huiyes  this patch13:50
zhiyuanthis is listed in the etherpad13:51
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joehuangok, so please ensure the patch pass all tests13:52
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rong_huii think this patch can get the "must to have" level13:53
joehuangok, so let's end the meeting today13:53
rong_huiok and please review the
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joehuangplease update your patch to get review in time13:54
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joehuangfo 372414, needs to include the update of shared VLAN L2/L3 network13:55
joehuangother topics?13:55
zhiyuanno for me13:55
yinxiulinno for me13:56
dongfengthe trio2o itself has defects and can not pass the "tox -e py27" test13:56
rong_huii will update it and if meet some problems  i will ask13:56
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Yipeino for me13:57
joehuangto dongfeng, maybe, the repo just there, but fix needed13:57
rong_huino for me13:57
joehuangok, thank you attending the meeting13:58
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krotscheck#startmeeting Javascript14:00
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krotscheck#chair vkmc14:00
openstackCurrent chairs: krotscheck vkmc14:00
krotscheck#chair vkramskikh14:00
openstackCurrent chairs: krotscheck vkmc vkramskikh14:00
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vkmchaha it's ok14:00
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yujunzchair again?14:01
krotscheck#chair vkmc14:01
openstackCurrent chairs: krotscheck vkmc vkramskikh14:01
krotscheck#unchair vkmc14:01
openstackCurrent chairs: krotscheck vkramskikh14:01
krotscheckTotal guess14:01
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cardeoishi !14:01
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krotscheckPSA: Son is napping, will likely wake up in 30, vkramskikh will have to take over if that happens14:01
krotscheck#topic Action Followup: Build a better readme14:02
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cardeoisI'm working on it right now14:02
krotscheckcardeois - just saw a storyboard update?14:02
krotscheckAwesome. Review today?14:02
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cardeoistotally forgot to work on js-openstack-lib sorry14:02
cardeoisbut yeah  first draft today.14:02
krotscheck#topic Action followup: Neutron patch14:03
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krotscheckAnd we now support neutron.14:03
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cardeoisYeah cool, we still need to merge the neutron review though14:03
cardeoisjust added a patch this morning14:03
krotscheckOr rather, we will after we land
cardeoisAnd I'll need to add a "networkList" review14:04
krotscheck#topic Action followup: Propagate betherly's doc changes to other projects.14:04
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krotscheckNot done, moving to next week's todo list14:04
krotscheck#action  propagate to js-openstack-lib and js-generator-openstack14:05
krotscheck#topic Action followup: krotscheck land Nova.flavorList14:05
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krotscheckPatches are up and failing, best I can tell it's a Nova CORS thing, which is deeper than what wwas going on with neutron14:05
* krotscheck was unable to debug that last night because silly airport ethernet blocks git ports14:05
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cardeoisYeah you need to rebase your reviews I guess14:06
krotscheckYeah, there's a bunch of things in there that aren't nova related, so I'll split those out.14:06
cardeoisbecause your first review depending on all of them work, but you didn't rebase14:06
krotscheck#topic Action Followup: cardeois define a linting rule for space-before-function-parens.14:06
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krotscheckTodo. Punt?14:06
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cardeoisYeah not done either, msmol told me he will help me on that though14:07
cardeoisso next week I hope14:07
krotscheckAnything else left over from last week that I missed before we do discussion topics?14:07
msmolfunny thing about time, always seems to think there's plenty of it, until suddenly there's none at all14:07
cardeoisYeah what's the actual documentation url?14:08
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msmolwill do the linting rule thing right after this meeting, will have a review up today14:08
cardeoisI want to add that in the readme14:08
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krotscheckWe're still arguing about that here ->
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* krotscheck hasn't followed up with ajaeger recently, though now might be good since he's in the infra sprint this week14:09
cardeoisk thanks14:09
krotscheck#action krotscheck bother Ajaeger about doc publishing14:09
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krotscheckcardeois: I am 95% confident that the url will be
cardeoisYeah ok that's what's I though too14:10
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krotscheck#action cardeois define a linting rule for space-before-function-parens.14:10
krotscheckOk, next topic:14:10
krotscheck#topic MVP status14:10
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cardeoisYeah what was the list of MVP calls already? we had that somewhere but can't find it anymore14:11
krotscheckOk, so neutron needs to pass the gate, nova needs to have its upstream bug fixed, larainema's patch needs to land, and we need documentation.14:11
cardeoisI want to create a storyboard task for that14:11
krotscheckI think that's all.14:11
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krotscheckThe list was: Get flavors, get networks, get images, launch instance. (stretch: Get keys)14:11
cardeoisOk thanks14:12
krotscheckAlright, I can _try_ to get nova fixed, but nova's notorious for taking forever to land patches14:12
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krotscheckAssuming I can figure out what's wrong.14:13
* krotscheck knows it's not a wsgi pipeline config, or a config setting.14:13
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cardeoisoh ok, so you're saying cors is not working at all with nova?14:13
krotscheckAny questions about MVP?14:13
krotscheckAlright, let's move on to Barcelona, the big thing14:14
krotscheck#topic Barcelona14:14
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krotscheckFirst things first, the foundation is seriously backing "Apps on openstack" as a thing starting in barcelona, and is creating a new app hacking lab to support that.14:15
krotscheckThe annoucnement is here:
cardeoisawesome idea. Will help have real user feedback if we finish our mvp on time14:16
Zaraooh, hat14:17
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krotscheckHello? Anyone here?14:23
krotscheckmeetbot seems to have died.14:23
cardeoisalright so what should we do about that? Should gives us the objective of complete the MVP before summit?14:23
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krotscheckWell, I think that largely depends on how much we care.14:24
krotscheckHaving a release by the summit will definiteily be awesome and useful and marketing yay14:24
krotscheckAnd outreachy14:24
krotscheckBut, well, we're all part timer14:24
cardeoisYeah so we'll need more people I guess?14:25
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krotscheckYeah, chicken/egg14:25
* larainema will not go Barcelona14:25
krotschecklarainema: Yeah, I'm not either.14:25
cardeoisJust created this story:!/story/2000729 so people can see what's missing14:25
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krotscheckHow about this: We work as much as we can. We cut a release the week before barcelona.14:26
krotscheckNo matter what's in it, we ship it.14:26
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cardeoissure good idea14:27
vkramskikh+1 for the idea14:28
krotscheckAny opposed?14:28
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vkramskikh(just need to get rid of Test class exported by default and it would be fine)14:28
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cardeoisYeah this is opened and need reviews:
* krotscheck checks for dates.14:29
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krotscheckOk, the last JS meeting we have before barcelona is the 19th. Let's set that as our release date.14:29
krotscheck#agreed Release first version of js-openstack-lib on the 19th of october.14:30
krotscheckThat'll give us a few days to work out infra problems if htey arise14:30
cardeoissounds good14:30
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krotscheckIn the meantime, I invite everyone to hang out in the app developer's lounge to recruit contributors (and help people that need it), and to go to the SDK fishbowl session14:30
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cardeoisapp developer's lounge? you at the summit?14:31
krotscheckOh, wow.14:31
krotscheckI posted a bunch of things that were lost. Sec.14:31
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krotscheckQuote from the email I got about it: "Accordingly, I would like to invite each of you to make this space your "home base" in Barcelona - a place to come and propose what we need to achieve over the next six months on our way to Boston to start building a wider cloud application community across all our companies and across all open clouds."14:32
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krotscheckSo... yay! That's awesome!14:32
krotscheckBut that's not all!14:32
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krotscheckI proposed the cross-project SDK session, and it really sounds like it'll be accepted.14:32
krotscheckThe only catch was that there wasn't anyone to lead it, and flanders tapped mordred and sean handley to do things there.14:32
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krotscheckHOwever, I'm fairly certain that mordred's ok to share the stage with anyone here that wants to step up.14:32
krotscheck(On behalf of js things)14:32
krotscheckcardeois, vkramskikh, msmol: Are any of y'all interested?14:32
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krotscheck(Did that all make it?)14:32
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cardeoisWell I guess we can help yeah, I'm not very comfortable with how all of this work but I (we?) can try14:33
vkramskikhnot sure I'll be able to lead it, probably the most i can do is to answer a few js-related questions14:34
krotscheckThat's alright- the headliners for the room have already been set. It'll likley be a fog and shade show, but as long as JS is represented we're good.14:34
cardeois+1 for vkramskikh  said14:34
* krotscheck will not be at the sjmit14:34
krotscheck*summit even14:34
krotscheckAlright, anything else on barcelona?14:35
krotscheckyujunz You'll be there?14:35
yujunzYes, not just for js things14:36
krotscheckYes, you're working on vitrage, right?14:36
yujunzI have been away from js for a while...14:36
krotscheck\o/ Sounds like a fun project.14:36
krotscheckDoes one of the attendees want to collect contact info and maybe go out for tapas/wine one night?14:37
yujunzAnyone familiar with Barcelona?14:37
yujunzI have been there only once14:37
cardeoisNever been there14:37
* krotscheck is not.14:38
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krotscheckThere's a gathedral and a Dali museum?14:38
vkramskikhi've never been to barcelona14:38
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yujunzOK, I'll try to organise.14:39
cardeoisYeah there is a nice gaudi park and cathedral that's all I know. But definitely there will be nice places to go out14:39
krotscheckOk, yujunz is your social contact in Barcelona for all things javascript :)14:39
krotscheckLet's move on, time is going short14:39
krotscheck#topic First User: vkramskikh14:39
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krotscheckSounds like other things took you rtime?14:39
vkramskikhInot much progress here, i'm still recovering from surgery14:40
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krotscheckvkramskikh: Ick. Hope you get better soon :)14:40
vkramskikhI'll try to use openstack-lib for Fuel by the next meeting14:40
krotscheck#topic Other JS Projects.14:40
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krotscheckWe've been talking about the SDK: Any of the other problems want the floor?14:40
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krotscheckzara? vkramskikh? timothyb89?14:41
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vkramskikhany news about React's license? what's the source of truth here?14:41
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vkramskikhFuel-UI and Tripleo-UI are using React14:42
Zara(I'm sorry, distracted by other channels rn :/)14:42
yujunz#action yujunz collect contact info and organise a js meetup in Barcelona14:42
krotscheckNone since what i posted last.14:42
krotscheckIn the end its up to the project, but adoption could be tricky because of that license14:43
timothyb89one possible option there could be something like
krotscheckIANAL: My opinion is that there's nothing preventing from you to using it, but that your project may not be adopted by openstack deployers because of that license.14:44
krotscheckThere's also vue.js which is similar to react, combined with reflux.js.14:45
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krotscheckBut, frankly, I prefer angular because it embraces the DOM instead of forcing that component recalculation cycle14:45
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krotscheckAny other projects want the floor? Infra issues, etc?14:47
krotscheckMoving on.14:48
krotscheck#topic Open Discussino14:48
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krotscheck#topic Open Discussion14:48
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cardeoisJust created a draft for README, feel free to review
cardeoisWhat example should I provide btw?14:50
cardeoiscreate instance? of flavorList is ok?14:50
krotscheckcardeois: I'd deep link into our documentation for examples, manage it there.14:51
cardeois(in any case I think "Openstack" class should be used but we don't have any implemented method in it yet14:51
krotscheckYeah, that's my bad, I promised to review larainema's patches and enver got around to it.14:51
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krotscheckAlright, let's call the meeting early. Thanks everyone! Don't forget to get yujunz your contact information while you're in barcelona (remember he's never met any of us).14:51
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Zaraah, sure, great!15:00
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Zaraaha, there it is15:02
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Zara#startmeeting storyboard15:05
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Zara# Announcements15:05
Zaraor rather15:05
Zara#topic Announcements15:05
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Zaragah, sorry, distracted15:06
Zarano announcements!15:06
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SotKs'ok :)15:07
Zara:) sorry if the tension was unbearable there15:07
Zara#topic Urgent Items15:07
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Zaranone that I'm aware of15:08
Zarathings are ticking over15:08
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Zara#topic In-Progress Work15:08
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ZaraI've sent some misc ui fixes as followups to the complex priorities patch15:09
Zaraand a patch to pretty up the dashboard:15:10
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Zaraalong with...15:10
Zarasome sample python client scripts!15:10
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Zarathese are scripts for things that folks asked for during the wonderful infra bugsquash last week15:11
* SotK will try to look at those sample scripts soon :)15:11
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Zarathey're heavily commented since they should serve more as documentation than as things to run regularly15:11
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ZaraI have some other docs in review at15:12
Zarathe latter has a +2 and +1 so just needs another +2, in system config15:12
Zaraother than that, I've been reviewing...15:13
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ZaraI was about to merge SotK's exciting new 'api support for adding teams to private stories' (for ACLs for vulnerability management)15:13
Zarathen I found a bug15:13
SotKI've done more work on a similar patch for worklists and boards15:14
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Zarait is deeply appreciated15:14
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SotKand I'll fix that bug soon, frustrated that I didn't notice it when testing15:14
SotKthanks for catching it :)15:14
Zarawell, same, I'm annoyed I didn't notice it until the last possible second15:14
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Zarayw :)15:14
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Zaraanything I've forgotten?15:16
* SotK doesn't think so15:17
Zaraokay, ace15:19
Zarain that case, no discussion items that I'm aware of, so...15:19
Zara#topic Open Discussion15:19
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Zara:) I don't think I have anything either really15:23
ZaraI'm steadily pottering around tidying things15:23
Zarait's not riveting15:23
Zarawe should plan barcelona sometime15:24
ZaraI can't believe it's mid-late september already15:24
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Zarawell, I've left that a while15:31
ZaraI'll end the meeting in 1015:31
Zaraoh no!15:31
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smcginnis#startmeeting Cinder16:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Sep 21 16:00:08 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is smcginnis. Information about MeetBot at
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smcginnisping dulek duncant eharney geguileo winston-d e0ne jungleboyj jgriffith thingee smcginnis hemna xyang1 tbarron scottda erlon rhedlind jbernard _alastor_ bluex patrickeast dongwenjuan JaniceLee cFouts Thelo vivekd adrianofr mtanino yuriy_n17 karlamrhein diablo_rojo jay.xu jgregor baumann rajinir wilson-l reduxio wanghao thrawn01 chris_morrell stevemar watanabe.isao,tommylike.hu16:00
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smcginnisbswartz: ;)16:00
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diablo_rojoHello :)16:00
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smcginnis#topic Summit Prep16:01
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smcginnis#link Summit planning etherpad16:01
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smcginnisWe have 4 fishbowls, 4 working rooms, and a half day contributor meetup.16:02
e0nelet's propose topics and discuss them on the next meeting?16:02
smcginnisPlease start adding topic ideas to the etherpad.16:02
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smcginnisAs we get closer we will figure out what goes where and if we need to prioritize any topics over others.16:02
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smcginnise0ne: Yeah, we can discuss here once we have more added. Sounds good.16:03
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smcginnisAny questions on the summit so far?16:03
e0neare we planning any cross-project discussions?16:04
diablo_rojoDo we want to make a list like we do for midcycles about who is going?16:04
smcginnise0ne: Yes16:04
bswartzlast design summit ever...16:04
e0nebswartz: :(16:04
smcginnisbswartz: :[16:04
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smcginnise0ne: There is another etherpad somewhere for that.16:04
smcginnise0ne: It was mentioned in the ML, but I don't have the link handy at the moment.16:04
hemnaand I'm missing this one.16:04
diablo_rojohemna :'(16:05
smcginnishemna: :{16:05
jungleboyjhemna: :-(16:05
hemnano free booze for me!16:05
jungleboyjhemna: We will get you some booze.16:05
* smcginnis looks up California's alcohol shipping laws16:05
scottdakickstarter fund to buy hemna booze?16:05
smcginnisscottda: ;)16:05
jungleboyjscottda: +216:05
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smcginnis#topic Newton Retrospective16:06
_alastor_scottda: +116:06
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geguileohemna: :-(16:06
smcginnise0ne: Thanks!16:06
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smcginnisSo trying this out to see if it's any value.16:06
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hemnasmcginnis, getting all agile on us ?16:07
smcginnisPlease feel free to add any thoughts there.16:07
smcginnishemna: ;)16:07
smcginnishemna: Just wait until the daily standups start.16:07
smcginnisNah, this is bordering on my edge of too much process.16:07
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SwansonI don't have enough material for daily standup.16:08
bswartz(obligatory dilbert)
smcginnisBut thought it might be good to give folks a place to give feedbak and see if there's anything we should pay attention to.16:08
jungleboyjbswartz: Nice!16:08
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smcginnisbswartz: Hah!16:08
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smcginnisAnyway, just putting that out there.16:09
hemnaso....privsep needs work16:09
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hemnathere are still things about it that are super annoying16:09
smcginnisIf there's enough feedback collected and it makes sense we can discuss things at the summit.16:09
bswartzIMO a retro isn't worth much if you don't already have a proposal in mind to change something16:09
hemna(Newton retro...)16:09
smcginnishemna: Agree16:09
jungleboyjhemna: ++16:09
scottdabswartz: How do we know what to change without the retro?16:10
e0nehemna: +116:10
hemnaand since I won't be in BCN, can someone hunt Angus down if he's there16:10
diablo_rojohemna +116:10
hemnaI can make a list of stuff that needs discussing16:10
* hemna has a sad16:10
bswartzscottda: well enough time will have passed that people will have their ideas already16:10
scottdahemna: I think we'll have a cinder-nova session.16:10
e0nehemna: :(16:10
smcginnishemna: Maybe we should add privsep to the cross project etherpad.16:10
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akerrbswartz never comes to our retros either, so don't feel bad smcginnis16:10
hemnasmcginnis, yah we should16:10
diablo_rojohemna, I can try to find him, another set of ears to help absorb info would be helpful16:10
smcginnisakerr: :)16:10
scottdahemna: Privsep issues alone warrant that. Plus multi-attach and new API16:10
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jungleboyjhemna: Delegate to diablo_rojo .16:10
bswartzI suppose the etherpad will tell us if there's enough content to discuss16:11
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smcginnisbswartz: Yep, that's what I'm thinking.16:11
diablo_rojoDo we even know if he will be there?16:11
smcginnisNot sure, but I would think likely.16:11
smcginnis#topic Ocata testing and stabilization16:11
hemnaI hope so16:11
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smcginnis#link Ocata testing16:12
smcginnisSo as much as reasonable I would like to make the focus of Ocata be testing and stabilization.16:12
e0nesmcginnis: I'll update this etherpad with tempest backup status16:12
e0nesmcginnis: +116:12
smcginnisNot that we won't allow things in, just we need to be selective.16:12
SwansonNo tiramisu?16:12
smcginnise0ne: Oh, tempest.16:12
smcginnisSide note before I forget.16:12
e0nebut does it mean that no new drivers or bp will be merged?16:12
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geguileosmcginnis: I understand HA A/A work will be allowed to continue, right?16:13
akerris that +2 in binary?16:13
smcginnisIf you run your CI with tox -e all_plugin -- --concurrency=1 volume you're broken right now.16:13
e0newe did some progress with backup tests this release. I have to sync with out QA team16:13
smcginnisgeguileo: Right!16:13
smcginnise0ne: Still allow drivers and limited in flight features I think.16:13
bswartz^ look how short this cycle is16:14
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e0nesmcginnis: good to know16:14
smcginnisbswartz: lijnk?16:14
bswartzmake the deadline for drivers super early16:14
smcginnisbswartz: :)16:14
smcginnis#link Ocata schedule16:14
e0nethere could be some BP's that fixes stability16:14
hemnaRC1 Jan 30!16:14
smcginnisSuper short this time around.16:14
TommyLikeHu_short ..16:15
smcginnisSo realistically, we don't really have time for any big new features anyway.16:15
akerrsmcginnis: the tempest command has changed from tox to "tempest run" but we've been running the all-plugin stuff without issue16:15
bswartzhemna: don't forget winter holidays taking away 3 weeks of productivity16:15
hemnasmcginnis, +116:15
hemnaif we were ever going to have a bug fix release, this is a great chance to do that16:15
smcginnisakerr: My issue with the way they changed that is they hard coded the regex arg to be first.16:15
smcginnishemna: +116:15
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SwansonLet's see, 3 weeks of vacation left, last week of the year holidays, Turkey Day. Yeah. Ocata is dead to me.16:16
e0nehemna: +216:16
smcginnisSwanson: That really will be interesting with the holidays in there.16:16
_alastor_Swanson: +116:16
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smcginnisLiterally just a few weeks for Ocata when you count holidays and such.16:16
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smcginnisscottda started a testing etherpad for Newton. I used that as a basis to start
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smcginnisLet's capture test coverage areas and get folks signed up to work on them.16:17
hemnasmcginnis, should we triage bugs and target them for O ?16:17
hemnasmcginnis, we should also look at the nova volume bugs again too16:18
SwansonSo a short release changing anything with how long we are supporting previous releases?16:18
smcginnisThis will be both for implementing tests and doing manual testing for things we can't easily automate yet.16:18
smcginnishemna: Yeah, good call.16:18
hemnaI'd like to see if we can start tackling some of those (nova volume based bugs)16:18
bswartzswanson: that would be a good TC question16:18
smcginnisIf nothing else from O, I'd love to see that bug count go down.16:18
scottdaMight be nice to get a volunteer to be bug czar16:19
hemnaI'd like to get the cinder/brick/local_dev stuff out of Cinder this release.16:19
scottdanot it!16:19
smcginnisSwanson: That is an interesting question.16:19
xyangsmcginnis: is the new driver merge deadline the same as before, Ocata-2?16:19
smcginnisxyang: Yes. One second...16:19
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smcginnis#link Cinder Ocata deadlines16:19
diablo_rojoeharney is normally the bug czar I thought16:19
smcginnisPretty much the same deadlines in relation to overall deadlines as before.16:19
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bswartzscottda: appointing a czar is what you do when you want to completely ignore a problem16:20
scottdaeharney: is the guy who does the most bug triage. Nothing official, to my knowledge..16:20
scottdabswartz: Not true. Nova has done a great job with this16:20
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scottdaNova bug czar reports at weekly meetings, and seeks help with volunteers to take triage shifts.16:21
smcginnisI do like the idea of having folks focus on certain areas.16:21
erlonsmcginnis: +116:21
bswartzdepends on the czar having actual powers I guess16:21
smcginnisBut that only works as well as the ability for those folks to actually focus on it.16:22
smcginnisWell that's pretty much it on the meeting agenda.16:22
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smcginnis#topic Open discussion16:22
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smcginnisAnything else?16:23
jungleboyjsmcginnis: Did you have something for me?16:23
bswartzis there a PTL election?16:23
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smcginnisjungleboyj: Oh right.. why you're screwed. :)16:23
smcginnisbswartz: ?16:23
* jungleboyj sighs16:23
e0nebswartz: we elected smcginnis16:23
jungleboyjIt has been a long enough couple weeks man.16:23
jungleboyje0ne: ++16:23
bswartzcongrats smcginnis!16:23
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smcginnisbswartz: Oh.. no, no one else put there name in this time, so you're all stuck with me again.16:23
smcginnisbswartz: Thanks :)16:24
* jungleboyj sings "For he's a jolly good fellow!"16:24
smcginnisjungleboyj: So back to your problem.16:24
smcginnisjungleboyj: DB backports.16:24
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smcginnisjungleboyj: masterbasing is not good due to DB migration backports.16:25
jungleboyjsmcginnis: Ah, ok.16:25
smcginnisIn order to backport a DB change we use our placeholders.16:25
smcginnisWhich is what they are intended for on stable releases so there's room to migrate up a number.16:25
smcginnisBut in the master branch we reserve those numbers ahead of time.16:26
smcginnisWhich means we need to actually modify an existing DB migration number.16:26
smcginnisWhich if you are based off of master you will have already migrated through.16:26
smcginnisSo changes there will not get picked up.16:26
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smcginnisSo either we can't reserve migrations (and possibly can't backport changes to fix things) or you're kind of in trouble doing CD from master.16:27
jungleboyjsmcginnis: Is that really an issue if we are just staying on master?16:27
smcginnisjungleboyj: Yes16:27
smcginnisSo placeholders will be added.16:27
DuncanTsmcginnis: We should probably add a devref about these placeholder migrations16:27
smcginnisSo you end up with something like 080_placeholder.py16:27
smcginnisInitially it is basically a noop.16:28
smcginnisBut then we find something that we need to backport to fix.16:28
smcginnisWe need to modify 080_placeholder to be and change it's content.16:28
smcginnisBut in the meantime, sqlalchemy will have migrated to version 081 and done the noop for 080.16:29
smcginnisSo changing it doesn't get picked up when continuously deploying from master.16:29
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eharneythat doesn't sound right to me16:29
bswartzis there a specific bug you guys have in mind?16:29
smcginnisBecause the migration is already at a later version. It thinks it already applied that previous version. But now that previous version is something different.16:29
eharneyi thought for this to work right, the fix in master would be a new 085_fix, then it would be backported as 080_fix in stable/newton16:29
smcginniseharney: I think that's the only way it would work.16:30
jungleboyjOh, so it gets skipped because we have told the database the work has already been done.16:30
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eharneysmcginnis: but that doesn't sound like it works, specifically for the reason you were mentioning about CD16:30
geguileoeharney: I thought that as well16:30
smcginniseharney: But then we have the issue of a previous version stable release applying that change in 080. Then it gets upgraded to the new version and applies 085. In this example it would fail because it would try to add the column twice.16:31
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eharneysmcginnis: i think the migration 085 is supposed to know how to be a no-op if the new column already exists16:31
jungleboyjOk, I need to drop into another meeting.  Will follow up afterwards.16:31
DuncanTeharney: +116:31
eharneyotherwise i don't see how this really is useful16:31
smcginnisjungleboyj: K, talk later.16:31
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geguileoeharney: +116:31
smcginniseharney: Maybe, but I don't think we handle things correctly right now.16:32
geguileosmcginnis: I haven't seen any DB backports yet...16:32
smcginnisIt certainly makes backports trickier.16:32
eharneyi think we do, we just haven't used it16:32
* geguileo probably missed them16:32
smcginnisgeguileo: Yeah, I don;t think we've ever done them before.16:32
smcginnisThere's a patch out there now for one though.16:32
eharneywhat patch is that?16:32
smcginnisThis will be the first time we've done it as far as I know.16:32
geguileoI think during stable release backports we have to make sure that the migration in master is capable of doing the no-op like eharney mentioned16:33
smcginnisSo maybe that's the answer.16:33
smcginnisWe just need to be aware of whether something potentially could be a backport.16:33
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DuncanTWe should probably make *all* future migrations no-op capable, really16:34
smcginnisAnd write the migration in a way that can recognize if it was already applied.16:34
smcginnisWhich also means we can't just cherry pick a change.16:34
DuncanTIt's easier than guessing about backports16:34
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eharneyi think an argument could be made that that bug is not severe enough to backport it given the pain...16:34
geguileoDuncanT: For some features it doesn't make sense to make them no-op capable, right?16:35
geguileoDuncanT: Only for bug-fixes16:35
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eharneybut if we want to, i don't see why we couldn't do what i was saying above16:35
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DuncanTgeguileo: Depends if we think the feature will ever be backported16:35
smcginniseharney: Yeah, at this point maybe it's not worth it.16:36
DuncanTgeguileo: The cost of putting a check in the migration is neglegable, and we could even automate a check that it is no-op capable16:36
geguileoDuncanT: Even if it doesn't have the no-op initially we can have another patch that modifies that migration and adds the no-op feature when we want to do the backport16:36
eharneysmcginnis: i suspect few people have hit that problem16:36
smcginniseharney: I wish we would have held off on reserving placeholders. Then it wouldn't have been an issue.16:37
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DuncanTgeguileo: Modifying database migrations is high risk16:37
smcginniseharney: It's at least an existing issue that has been there for some time, so what's one more release. :]16:37
smcginniseharney: And there is a manual work around if a customer really needs it.16:37
geguileoDuncanT: We would be just adding the no-op check... I'm missing the high risk, but I'm probably just tired  :-(16:37
* dulek creeps in very late.16:38
DuncanTgeguileo: The problem happens if you ever subtly change the resulting schema16:38
dulekI've seen DB backports discussion - point is that DB migrations should be idempotent. In case of backporting a schema change you have same migration as two numbers.16:39
DuncanTgeguileo: There's already a risk of that with the backport... I wonder if we should try to have some more solid validation of the db at the start of a release? Even a side-script?16:39
smcginnisdulek: That's what the placeholders are supposed to be for. We were using them wrong the last few releases though.16:39
smcginnisdulek: We were merging them at the end of a cycle, which really made them useless. Should be first thing in the cycle.16:39
dulekSee this:
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dulekAnd this:
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dulekMigrations 248 and 234 in Nova are exactly the same thing, so regardless of if you're doing CD or not, it works.16:41
dulekBut they need to be idempotent.16:41
eharneydulek: right16:41
smcginnisSo that looks to be the answer.16:42
dulekI guess being idempotent is what you've called "noop capable"? ;)16:42
smcginnisWe'll just have to be aware of that for anything that may be backported.16:42
smcginnisOr as geguileo said, add the noop checking once we realize we need to backport.16:42
eharneyin this particular case where it just does an alter to extend the field, is it not idempotent anyway?16:43
bswartzit's too late once you realize you need to backport16:43
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smcginnisbswartz: I think adding a check to an existing migration is probably OK. It won't matter to new deployments, so it's just getting it in place for upgrades.16:44
smcginniseharney: I think you're right there.16:44
eharneybswartz: good point, it would force us to say that you can only upgrade to the newer release after commit X which is not really how it should work16:44
bswartzI wouldn't commit the change in master until the upgrade step is idempotent if you EVER want to backport that change16:45
bswartzyou can't fix it later without creating a discontinuity in the upgrade path, as eharney points out16:45
smcginnisAs long as we merge the master change before the backport, I would be very surprised if an older stable release would try to upgrade to some interim master version.16:45
smcginnisFair enough.16:45
DuncanTsmcginnis: It definitely happens16:45
smcginnisOne more thing to add to the list of gotchas to watch for when reviewing.16:46
smcginnisOK, anything else?16:46
DuncanTsmcginnis: Testing for idemotency is automateable16:46
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smcginnisAdded as a test item here:
smcginnisGoing once...16:48
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smcginnisOK, thanks everyone.16:49
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e0nesee you next week16:51
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jlvillal#startmeeting ironic_qa17:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Sep 21 17:00:41 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is jlvillal. Information about MeetBot at
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jlvillalHello everyone17:00
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jlvillalAs always the agenda is here:
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jlvillal#topic Announcements17:01
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jlvillalI don't have any announcements.17:01
jlvillalAnyone have anything?17:01
* jlvillal thinks this might be a short meeting today...17:01
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jlvillal#topic Grenade work17:02
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xavierrwe do17:02
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jlvillalxavierr: Go ahead then :)17:02
xavierrOneView CI is almost back. we have currently 2/3 jobs running. all should be ok until the end of this day17:03
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jlvillal#info OneView CI is almost back. they currently have 2 out of 3 jobs running. all should be ok by the end of today.17:04
jlvillalxavierr: Thanks17:04
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jlvillal#topic Grenade work17:04
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jlvillalSo still a bunch of patches that need to be reviewed for the multi-node testing.17:04
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jlvillalWhich is the first step in the multi-node grenade testing17:05
jlvillal#info Current status and list of patches needing reviews:
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jlvillal#topic 3rd Party CI, sponsored by krtaylor17:06
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krtaylornothing to report from here17:06
jlvillalAnyone else?17:07
jlvillalI do notice that the Dell CI job can seem very very slow at times. Or is that just my imagination?17:07
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xavierrhow is responsable for Dell CI?17:08
jlvillalcdearborn: Do you know?17:08
* jlvillal forgets who cdearborn works for :)17:08
krtaylorI believe the response was that they are skipping a lot of the nondriver code (docs, tests, etc)17:09
krtayloror are you referring to how long it takes the system to report17:09
jlvillalkrtaylor: How long before they vote on a patch.17:09
jlvillalkrtaylor: I thought I have seen it vote a day later17:09
krtayloroh..yeah, that is a while17:10
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jlvillalkrtaylor: We probably at some point (Ocata cycle) should gather some stats about the CI systems that are voting.17:10
jlvillalkrtaylor: Stats like, pass/fail rates. Average voting time, and maybe some other things.17:11
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xavierrDell CI took 8 hours to answer my last doc patch17:11
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krtayloryou know about this right:
cdearbornI do work for Dell17:11
jlvillalkrtaylor: Maybe somebody already has something like that. Stats on CIs.17:11
cdearbornrajinir is responsible for the idrac CI17:12
cdearbornwill ping her on it17:12
jlvillalkrtaylor: Darn. I forgot about that. Does it have the info I asked about?17:12
jlvillalcdearborn: Thanks17:12
xavierrcdearborn: thanks :)17:12
krtaylorjlvillal, some, but not summarized17:12
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jlvillalThat's all I have. Anything else before we move on?17:12
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jlvillalOkay moving on then17:13
jlvillal#topic Open Discussing17:13
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jlvillalI see an entry from jroll about tempest tests17:13
jlvillalNot sure if this was discussed last week and just forgot to be removed?17:13
jrollthat's from like 1.5 months ago17:13
krtaylorit was17:13
jlvillalI'll remove it then :)17:13
jrollalso discussed last week again :)17:13
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* jlvillal will see if he has to answer a Captcha17:14
jlvillalWoo hoo! I could pick all the images of a store front :)17:15
jlvillalOne of them was tricky...17:15
jlvillalI think that does it for today.17:15
xavierrIronic'ers if you could take a look on my patch for introduce inspect interface to OneView drivers, it will be awesome!
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jlvillalxavierr: Is that QA/testing related?17:16
xavierrjlvillal: It is. Because it was waiting our CI be back :)17:16
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xavierrOneView CI I mean17:17
jlvillalOkay :)17:17
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jlvillalI think we are done.17:17
jlvillalThanks everyone!17:17
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krtaylorthanks jlvillal17:17
xavierrthank all and thanks jlvillal :)17:17
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bh526rHi guys17:59
bh526r#startmeeting gluon18:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Sep 21 18:00:08 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is bh526r. Information about MeetBot at
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bh526rHi Kamil18:00
bh526r#topic Roll Call and Introduction18:00
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bh526rHi Georg18:00
bh526r#info Bin Hu18:00
georgkhi Bin18:00
krenczewski#info Kamil Renczewski18:00
georgk#info Georg Kunz18:00
jinliHi everyone18:01
bh526rHi Jin18:01
jinli#info Jin Li18:01
tomhambletonHi All18:01
Rob__Hi Bin, Jin, Georg18:01
Rob__Hi Tom18:01
bh526rHi Tom18:01
bh526rHi Robert18:01
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bh526rPlease #info your name18:02
tomhambleton#info Tom Hambleton18:02
bh526r#topic Admin Update18:02
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Rob__#info Robert Tao18:02
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bh526r#info Still waiting for room availability from Thierry18:03
bh526rIn the worst case scenario, shall we plan to have a work session at either dinning table or rest area?18:04
georgkIf you like, I get try to figure out if Ericsson has a room available18:05
georgkjust in case18:05
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bh526rGreat, thank you Georg. Please let me know once you have more information18:05
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georgkok, I will18:05
kamal___#info Kamal Hussain18:06
bh526rThank you18:06
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bh526r#topic Tracking Progress of Gluon Development18:07
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bh526rTom, I see your patch of requirement.txt was merged. Is Jenkins issue solved then by this patch?18:07
tomhambletonIt should go through now.  I am trying to see if we can get the jenkins test run again or if I need to push another patchset18:09
Rob__Would it be good to make some Gluon flyers to distribute?18:09
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bh526rThere should be "reverify"18:10
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bh526rGood point Rob.18:10
bh526rI was actually working on a Gluon flyer draft18:10
bh526rI will send to you Robert for comment18:11
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bh526rOnce Jenkins issue is solved, our code is merged, we will reach our first, but very fundamentally important milestone18:12
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bh526r#info Tom pushed a patch to address global-requirement dependency18:13
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bh526r#info This patch should address the Jenkins issue18:13
bh526r#info Tom will either reverify or push another patch to pass Jenkins gate/get Verified +118:14
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bh526rHow Niko's proposal of database migration?18:15
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bh526rAre we still waiting for Ian's comments?18:15
georgkyes, as far as I know18:16
georgki talked to him about this yesterday18:16
bh526rGood. What is Ian's plan then?18:16
georgkto Niko, I mean18:16
bh526rI see.18:17
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georgkjust to make him aware of this again18:17
georgkno feedback from Ian yet18:17
bh526rOk. Let me ping Ian again and see how soon he can post his comments18:17
bh526r#info Niko's database migration proposal is still pending on Ian's comments18:18
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bh526r#action Bin ping Ian again to find out how soon Ian's comments can be posted18:18
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bh526rJin, how is your test plan proposal?18:19
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jinliI need some help on using fixtures to test DB functions18:20
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bh526rI see. Georg, do you or Niko know details of fixtures?18:21
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georgksorry, I am not familiar with that18:22
jinliI have testing proposals now I need to write the code and run them. some help on using fixtures will be really appreciated.18:22
bh526rI see. Anyone here familiar with using fixtures?18:23
bh526rOk, how about this, Jin? Can you submit the patch of testing proposal for review first?18:24
bh526rThank you Jin18:25
georgkI can try to support you, but as I said, I am not familiar18:25
bh526r#info Jin will submit the patch of test proposal for review18:25
georgkmaybe you explain your needs in more detail in an email to me and Niko18:25
bh526r#info Jin will work with Georg and Niko for using fixtures to test DB functions18:26
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bh526rIs it good Jin?18:26
jinlisure, thanks18:26
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bh526rI just sent an email to Ian for his comments on Niko's patch18:27
bh526rI will text him later today too to remind him18:27
bh526rThat's pretty much all from my side.18:29
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bh526rAnyone else has info or update to share?18:29
tomhambletonWhat about the techTalk on Wednesday?18:30
bh526rOh yes, the #vBrownBag?18:30
bh526r#topic AOB18:30
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Rob__On me: I managed to get old gluon running. haven't got to work with nova plugin yet.18:30
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bh526r#info Bin, Tom and Niko's proposal of Gluon implementation talk was accepted for #vBrownBag tech talk18:31
Rob__That will be next for me. But need to know when the neutron plugin is ready to run, and guidence18:31
bh526r#info It will be 4:15pm on Wednesday18:32
tomhambletonRob, I am working on that.18:32
bh526r#info Once we get Neutron Plugin etc working, we can prepare the slides18:32
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Rob__Tom, as I set it fresh for ONOS, I may document what is needed along the process.18:33
tomhambletonSounds good18:33
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krenczewskiIs there any chance of video from this tech talk?18:34
Rob__Please keep me posted when I can load the code and other stuff18:34
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bh526rSo the most important is to get it work. Many thanks to Tom for the excellent work18:34
bh526rKamil, yes, the video will be recorded by OpenStack staff and posted to Youtube after the talk18:35
krenczewskiok, great18:36
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bh526rAny other info/update to share?18:36
tomhambletonRemoving gluon from the projects.txt file did not fix the requirements check issue18:37
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bh526rAh Oh.18:37
Rob__One question: Can someone send out the actual demo steps?18:37
bh526rNo one has thought about demo steps before anything is working18:38
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bh526rAnyone in the channel knows how to fix global requirements check issue?18:39
tomhambletonI am thinking of abandoning the entire first review and starting over.18:40
bh526rLet's try that.18:40
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bh526rMeanwhile, you may try openstack-infra channel to ask the tricks of global requirement check18:41
bh526rInfrastructure team should know the tricks18:41
tomhambletonI thought removing it from the projects.txt file was the trick18:42
bh526rPerhaps there is another trick there18:42
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bh526rOr email them is also fine. But IRC may be more instant18:44
tomhambletonI will figure it out.  Let's move on18:44
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bh526reventually, when we try to apply for big tent in the future, we need to pass global requirement anyway18:45
bh526rBut that's not the concern now18:45
bh526rok, move on18:45
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bh526rAny other info/update to share?18:45
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bh526rOK. If no other info/update to share, let's adjourn the meeting18:47
bh526r#info Meeting adjourned18:47
bh526rThank you everyone18:48
Rob__Thanks bye18:48
tomhambletonBye All!18:48
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CarolBarrett#startmeeting WOS Mentoring20:08
openstackMeeting started Wed Sep 21 20:08:30 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is CarolBarrett. Information about MeetBot at
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.20:08
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CarolBarrettHi All - Sorry for being late20:08
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CarolBarrettWho is here for the mentoring team meeting?20:08
CarolBarrettHi Aimeeu20:08
ildikovCarolBarrett: hi :)20:08
CarolBarrettGlad you could join Ildikov20:09
vkmchey hey20:09
ildikovCarolBarrett: if we have audio, I'm only on IRC20:09
CarolBarrettOnly IRC today20:09
ildikovCarolBarrett: ok, cool, tnx for clarification!20:09
CarolBarrettEmily isn't joining today, but she laid out the agena20:09
CarolBarrettThe 1st item is about the Speed Mentoring - Call for Mentors20:10
CarolBarrettI don't see any update on this in email or on wiki - Does anyone know status?20:11
CarolBarrettOK - then let's move to the next topic20:12
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CarolBarrett#topic Upstream Training20:12
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CarolBarrettIdilkov can you give an update on this?20:13
ildikovwe are having progress with updating the already existing content20:14
ildikovwe have a few patches merged already and will continue and hopefully finish until the training with the updates20:14
ildikovI was asking about mentors here last week20:15
ildikovI don't have an update on that part yet20:15
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ildikovwe are aiming for at least 5 but maybe even up to 10 mentors/helpers for the actual training20:15
vkmcildikov, is there a bug tracker or something for the upstream training content?20:15
ildikovvkmc: we have an etherpad, I need to update it a bit with the latest progress:
ildikovvkmc: the open reviews are here:
ildikovtagged with [upstream]20:17
CarolBarrettildkov: do you have people working with you on the mentor content?20:17
vkmcildikov, thx20:17
ildikovthe basic idea is update everything we can get to and add notes to the etherpad regarding who's working on what20:17
ildikovwe are also re-organising content a bit20:17
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ildikovvkmc: if you plan to help out, you can either pick a section and update that or you can also think about ideas for exercises20:18
ildikovI would like to have more conversation and hands on even when we're at the beginning and more of lectures than touching code I think it's better to let people talk, search fro information for themselves, etc20:18
ildikovso basically I think we could do a better job to teach people how to solve problems and spend a bit less time with just talk to them20:19
CarolBarrettThat makes sense to me - there are lots of ways for people to contribute to the community20:19
vkmcyeah, I got that feeling... people were expecting to have a hand-on rather than hearing more about governance and that20:20
ildikovCarolBarrett: I think there's a sign up for mentorship that includes the question that who can participate on the training20:20
CarolBarrettOn the website?20:20
vkmcsomething I think it will be helpful as well, is to explain the dynamic of the workshop before starting20:20
ildikovvkmc: I think we could somehow make even the governance part more interesting if we put some thoughts around that20:20
vkmcsay... we are going to explain you this and that, and you will do this and that20:20
vkmcildikov, agree20:21
ildikovCarolBarrett: that's a good question, I would need to check the logs from the last meeting to be sure20:21
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vkmcildikov, we could do some improv in order to illustrate which kind of situations governance deal with and how do they do it20:21
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ildikovvkmc: yeap, and having exercises about finding the info and then we can talk about the meaning of things and focus on best practices, etc20:22
ildikovvkmc: +1, so if you have time and interest in brainstorming about ideas to improve these things please let me know!20:22
CarolBarrettI don't see anything about creating content for training in the mentoring sign-up form or the wiki20:22
CarolBarrettThink we need a plan for this, esp if you want content by Barcelona - is that your target?20:23
vkmcildikov, will do! thanks20:23
ildikovvkmc: we plan to have a Google Hangout on aligning about the content updates this week:
vkmcildikov, awesome!20:24
ildikovif you can find any slot that works for you, we can touch on this topic as well20:24
CarolBarrettGotcha - thanks!20:24
ildikovFriday looks the most probable day20:24
ildikovCarolBarrett: the content update is ongoing and we have a few hands for that20:25
CarolBarrettAnything else on this topic?20:25
vkmcyeah... friday would work better for me too20:25
vkmcgreat, let's do that20:25
ildikovCarolBarrett: when I'll have more info about the sig ups I will have a better idea how many people interested in participating in the mentoring program20:25
ildikovCarolBarrett: also we need people for the training who sit together with the students and help them20:26
ildikovCarolBarrett: that's not finalised yet, who can come and do that20:26
ildikovCarolBarrett: also, do you have any update on having content for the WGs module?20:26
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ildikovvkmc: great!20:26
CarolBarrettildikov: What signups are you referring to? Upstream training?20:26
ildikovvkmc: considering your mentoring expertise, I would be really glad if we could count on you on this!20:27
ildikovCarolBarrett: yeap20:27
vkmcildikov, sure thing, I booked my flights accordingly :)20:27
CarolBarrettildikov: Working to have a draft of the WG content this week - Edgar and I discussed the outline in Guadalajara20:27
vkmcildikov, will be arriving BCN on Saturday night20:27
ildikovCarolBarrett: we added a small questionnaire about areas of interest and also the willingness of participating in the mentoring program20:28
ildikovvkmc: amazing!!! tnx! :)20:28
CarolBarrettildikov: to what questionaire was this added?20:28
ildikovvkmc: I also meant the preparation part as I smell you have great ideas how to make the training more interesting! :)20:28
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ildikovCarolBarrett: the registration form to the training contains it20:29
vkmcildikov, sure, count me in for that as well20:29
CarolBarrettAll sounds good20:29
CarolBarrettReady to move on?20:29
ildikovCarolBarrett: we felt it could be a good idea to check what people are up to and get enough mentors to cover the needs20:29
ildikovvkmc: tnx much!20:29
ildikovCarolBarrett: yeap, we can sync up on the WGs separately20:30
ildikovCarolBarrett: thank you!20:30
CarolBarrettOK - Next topic20:30
CarolBarrett#topic •Follow ups with mentors freed from matches20:30
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CarolBarrettMeganR are you here?20:30
CarolBarrettI don't see her here - Does anyone else have an update on this?20:31
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CarolBarrettOK - moving along...20:31
CarolBarrett#topic Graduation plan discussion20:32
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CarolBarrettThis topic is about how do we define 'done' for a mentoring session?20:32
CarolBarrettAnd how do we communicate that and facilitate that with the matches20:33
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CarolBarrettThe main purpose of wanting to define the end of a mentoring session is to enable new mentees to be paired up20:35
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CarolBarrettand to help keep a focus on working towards goals in a mentoring relationship20:35
aimeeuI received feedback from a mentee on the graduation subject and am trying to locate the email...20:35
CarolBarrettHi diablo_rojo - thanks for joining20:35
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CarolBarrettaimeeu: that would be good to hear20:36
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CarolBarrettOk - if there's no thoughts on this one, we can move on....20:38
aimeeufound it!  Jaime thought checking in at 3 months was a good idea but had no opinion on graduation or length of program20:38
diablo_rojoI would agree with that20:38
CarolBarrettaimeeu: Thanks - Do you know if the check-in emails were sent?20:38
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CarolBarrettdo either of you have thoughts on how long we should support a match before we propose they graduate?20:39
ildikovI think it's also good to have a "target" to reach as opposed to something seemingly endless20:39
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diablo_rojoI think its going to vary based on the pair of people20:39
aimeeuCarolBarrett: Yes, I think Emily or maybe Megan (or Danielle?) sent emails20:39
ildikovand I didn't really mean time as target20:39
aimeeuI remember Jaime saying that the mentoring relationship just kind of comes to a natural end, some pairs sooner than others20:39
ildikovbut more to see how successful the mentee is and how much he/she can do things by him/herself, etc.20:40
CarolBarrettAgree 1 size doesn't fit all - what are some of the thoughts on options?20:40
diablo_rojoErin Disney at the foundation updated the follow up survey, but I dont know that its been sent out to current mentor/mentees20:40
diablo_rojoI have the survey though so if I get a list of names I can email the current group.20:40
CarolBarrettdiablo_rojo: Do you want to ping Erin and check on her plans?20:41
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diablo_rojoI don't think she was the one that was going to send it out to the group.20:42
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diablo_rojoNot sure who signed up for that20:42
CarolBarrettI was thinking to see if she plans to send out the updated survey or if she was looking to you (or someone else) to do that20:42
diablo_rojoSomeone else had volunteered I thought20:43
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CarolBarrettI think we'd need to get the list of names from Emily20:43
diablo_rojoDon't remember who though20:43
diablo_rojoMight have to look back through logs.20:43
CarolBarrettcan you share the link to survey?20:43
diablo_rojoI had volunteered to send out the new survey to collect more mentor/mentees/20:43
diablo_rojoSure one sec20:44
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CarolBarrettdiablo_rojo: Gotcha! For that one, it would seem like we'd send it to a couple of Community mail lists. Like: Dev, User Committee, Product WG, etc20:44
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diablo_rojoI can definitely do that. I am only subscribed to the dev so thats what I was going to do, but I can add the others.20:46
CarolBarrettdiablo_rojo: you can find a list of the maillists here:20:47
diablo_rojoCarolBarrett gracias :)20:47
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CarolBarrettI think it would be good to include Community, Foundation, Marketing, OpenStack, Openstack-dev, Product-WG, User Committee, Women-of-Openstack20:48
CarolBarrettdiablo_rojo: can you send that out this week?20:48
diablo_rojoYep :)20:49
CarolBarrettGreat! Thank you!20:49
CarolBarrettThe last topic for today20:49
CarolBarrett#Topic Mentoring for people coming from other open source projects20:49
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CarolBarrettI think this is about helping people coming from other OpenSource communities (OPNFV as an example) to understand how to contribute to OpenStack20:50
ildikovthat would be really good20:50
ildikovand I think having some focus on things like WGs is even more important for this one20:51
CarolBarrettildikov - Have you gotten requests for this type of content?20:51
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ildikovnot directly20:52
ildikovI was involved in OPNFV a bit more earlier20:52
diablo_rojoGotta drop here, but if there is anything else you need from me- bother ildikov and she can tell me :)20:52
CarolBarrettI see the value of this, but given that we can't meet the mentoring match demand from within our community, I would rather use content on our website or a session at a Summit to handle this20:52
ildikovif we can just have more pointers regarding how they can participate that helps as sometimes even communication about ideas go slowly and not always that well20:53
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ildikovCarolBarrett: at this stage I agree, let's point them to the doors and address mentoring when that step is done if you know how I mean20:54
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ildikovdiablo_rojo: sure, don't read the logs, I will give you tasks! ;)20:54
CarolBarrettIs the upstream training recorded? Could we point them to the section on WGs?20:54
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ildikovas far as I know it's not20:55
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ildikovbut I think I can get a lightning talk slot, I will ask20:55
CarolBarrettOh well. We can always post the content for people to find20:55
CarolBarrettThat would be good20:56
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ildikovrecording the whole training is not that valuable from the perspective of it is hands-on mostly and we plan to have group exercises20:56
ildikovbut I'm sure we can find a way to cover this, I will ask around and let you know20:56
CarolBarrettunderstand - was really looking for just this 1 module20:56
CarolBarrettThank you.20:56
CarolBarrettWe're almost out of time - any opens?20:57
CarolBarrett#topic Opens20:57
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vkmcquick one20:57
vkmcOutreachy internships application has opened last week20:57
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vkmcwe would need to spread the word about this program20:57
vkmcdeadline for application is Oct 1720:57
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CarolBarrettis there a link you can share?20:58
vkmcthere is20:58
CarolBarrettI haven't heard about this20:58
vkmcwe have a few internship ideas already and several interested applicants20:58
CarolBarrettAny other opens?20:58
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CarolBarrettOK - That's it for today. Emily will be back for our meeting next week. Thanks Everyone!20:59
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